1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,399 Speaker 1: Gets to that time of day where you can really 2 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:06,719 start to see things and you hear the woods come alive, 3 00:00:06,839 --> 00:00:09,960 you can hear the bird, you hear the small animals 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,880 moving around. I start to hear sounds behind me and 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,039 back to my right in the distance, and I'm thinking, 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,920 what is this I'm hearing that. I realize it's actually football, 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,719 you know. I can hear crunch, crunch, crunch, and I 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,280 see someone standing there, but it's not a someone. And 9 00:00:29,399 --> 00:00:32,039 I remember, I've gone through this in my head so 10 00:00:32,079 --> 00:00:34,880 many times over the years. I remember mentally trying to 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,880 force what I'm looking at into something I knew, a 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,320 horse or cow, something like that, and it's a back 13 00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:42,719 lit by the sun. I thought, this is not either 14 00:00:42,759 --> 00:00:44,840 one of those, and it's not a man. It's just 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,439 large hair covered things standing there on two legs. And 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,079 I'd never even heard a big foot. 17 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,239 Speaker 2: I'd like to welcome Dave to the show. Dave emailed 18 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,400 me with an interesting picture and in my opinion, a 19 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,760 lot of strangeness going on where he's at currently. But 20 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,359 this all started a long time ago for you, if 21 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:41,359 you don't mind kind of take us through the details 22 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:44,560 of how bigfoot came into your life. 23 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I appreciate the introduction, isn't it. First of all, 24 00:01:50,599 --> 00:01:53,000 I'm not a researcher or anything like that. I'm just 25 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,280 the person who I like to spend time in the outdoors. 26 00:01:56,319 --> 00:02:01,959 And I grew up in rural East Texas, and when 27 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,040 I was really young, my dad would take us hunting 28 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,319 out in the woods and primarily in the Davy Crockett 29 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:15,960 National Forest area. And my dad was former military and 30 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:19,560 no nonsense in the woods. And we were Native Americans, 31 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,000 so we respect everything in the woods, and so we 32 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,879 sort of knew how to behave accordingly from my brothers, 33 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,599 and I did from a young age. And so when 34 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:36,520 I was eleven, we had moved from the rural part 35 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:39,319 down to the Beaumont put Arthur area on the coast, 36 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,080 but we would go back and visit our grandparents quite 37 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,520 often because they were still up there. And I'd had 38 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,599 family in that area since eighteen thirty six. Wow, Yeah, 39 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,280 same year Davy Crockett passed through those same parts, my 40 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:57,840 third great grandfather came into that area. So been in 41 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:03,080 that area ever since. And while it was in November 42 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,719 nineteen seventy one, I was eleven years old and we 43 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:12,039 drove up from Beaumont for Arthur area, and we'd say 44 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,039 at my grandparents' house and my dad would get us 45 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,199 up really early every morning and we'd go deer hunting. 46 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:26,240 Obviously it's a jeer season for white tail. So like 47 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,039 we did every time, we'd drive out to the same spot, 48 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:35,159 which is just west of Gropton, Texas. Groton is the 49 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:39,199 county seat of Trinity County, Texas, and to an area 50 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,800 that's now known as Westville. Not maybe a few people 51 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,080 live out there now, and it's obviously named Westville because 52 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,159 it's west of Gropton, and it's an area people referred 53 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:53,080 to as the Why. It's where there are two eighty 54 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,360 seven splits and goes up toward Crockett, Texas and ninety 55 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,240 four goes down toward Trinity, Texas. And we'd go down 56 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,560 the toward Trinity a bit and then pull off on 57 00:04:02,599 --> 00:04:07,520 this dirt road and drive till the dead ended. We'd 58 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:12,080 get out there. It was dark as night because the 59 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,039 sun had yet to come up, and my dad we'd 60 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,399 get out of the car be as quiet as we could. 61 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:19,800 My dad would have a flashlight which he points straight 62 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:25,040 down to Rowland. He'd lead a younger brother of mine. 63 00:04:25,319 --> 00:04:27,639 It was just about a year or four months younger 64 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,920 to his spot where he would stay and wait for 65 00:04:32,959 --> 00:04:34,759 the sun to come up, and then he'd lead me 66 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,639 to my spot, and then my dad would go off 67 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:44,439 further west, and then he'd eventually turn north and then 68 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,680 wait for the sun to come up, and he would 69 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,160 sort of move toward us through the woods. And so 70 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,720 while he was sort of actively hunting, moving taking a 71 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:58,160 few steps looking around, my brother and I were what 72 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:01,040 they call still we'd still hunt where we're just sitting 73 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:04,959 there waiting to see if you could drive anything toward us. 74 00:05:06,399 --> 00:05:09,800 It was one morning in particular, like I said, November, 75 00:05:10,319 --> 00:05:15,360 there's those crisp East Texas fall days where it was 76 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:19,240 probably in upper forties fifty and the air it was 77 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:22,720 just clear. It felt good, you could, you know, the 78 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,759 birds and squirreled all pretty happy. And so I'm sitting 79 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,639 there on my stand. I'm sitting at the base of 80 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,319 a small oak tree where I have a couple of 81 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,879 lines of sight to the left and to the right. 82 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,079 I'm sitting on my backside with my legs right in 83 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:43,680 front of me stretched out. Now I'm left handed, so 84 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,360 I have a four to ten single shotgun with a 85 00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:51,040 one round the slug in it, and so that's against 86 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,839 my right shoulder and have the barrel resting down across 87 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,279 my legs. And so gets to that time of day 88 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,120 where you can really start to see things, and you 89 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:05,600 hear the woods come alive, you can hear the birds, 90 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:12,959 you hear the small animals moving around, and I start 91 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,680 to hear sounds too behind me and back to my 92 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,560 right in the distance. And at this point, like I said, 93 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,959 it's sort of gray, but the sun's really starting to 94 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,759 come up. So back in that direction is towards the 95 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,360 rising sun, and I'm thinking, what is this I'm hearing? 96 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,920 And I realize it's actually footballs and I could distinctly 97 00:06:37,959 --> 00:06:42,800 hear it because of the leaves underfoot. And We've gone 98 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,360 out there to this place countless times and there's no 99 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:51,800 one that hunts out there, and so I'm thinking, there 100 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:58,639 must be someone out here that's hunting, and what the 101 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,000 heck is he doing? Because about the most profane word 102 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:07,199 I knew in my mind at that age was levenear 103 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,519 was jackass, Because I hear this guy and I'm thinking, 104 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,920 what is this jackass doing? Is you know, I can 105 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:23,079 hear crunch crunch, crunch, And my little amused thought didn't 106 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,519 last long, because then it crossed my mind in a 107 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,120 flash that this guy was walking toward me from about 108 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,240 my four o'clock So I'm sitting, I'm facing north. This 109 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:41,519 guy is coming from back toward the southeast, and I 110 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:47,040 think anybody inexperience enough hunting to not try to be 111 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,759 out in the woods me quiet, I'm not. That's not 112 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,160 someone I would be taught to trust. And the fact 113 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,279 that he's walking toward me is becoming really unnerving, and 114 00:07:59,319 --> 00:08:01,160 I'm starting to say, I think, what should I do? 115 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,959 What should I do? I'm gonna have to let this 116 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,639 person know I'm here, And even if he's somehow moves 117 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,839 his sort of trajectory a little bit, he's going to 118 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:14,240 be walking somewhat in the direction my dad's coming from, 119 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:18,800 and I'm fearful that he might see my dad. You know, 120 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:21,839 some people, I've heard him joke they'll just shoot if 121 00:08:21,839 --> 00:08:25,399 they hear a sound. So all this is racing, racing, 122 00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:31,000 racing to my mind, and I just about decided I'm 123 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,879 going to sort of make a clear my throat that 124 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,000 sort of thing. When the guy gets close enough, and 125 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:38,480 I'm thinking, well, that make enough soundly shoot at me. 126 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,279 All this is just racing, racing, racing. At that point, 127 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:47,120 I waste enough time in fear of trying to decide 128 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,000 what to do that this guy had come up right 129 00:08:49,039 --> 00:08:51,519 behind me and suddenly just came to a stop. So 130 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:58,000 he's about fifteen feet to back right, and I'm sitting, 131 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,279 like I said, on the ground against this in anticipation 132 00:09:02,519 --> 00:09:04,480 of the way he was walking. I had my head 133 00:09:04,519 --> 00:09:06,200 turned as far as I could to the right, and 134 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:10,679 I'm using my peripheral vision to look at so so 135 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:14,000 I can see this guy. At that point, I had 136 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:17,159 not made a sound, and I thought, well, he stopped, 137 00:09:17,159 --> 00:09:20,799 so he must see me. And like I said, I'm 138 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,159 looking back sort of in the direction of the sun, 139 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,720 and I see someone standing there, but it's not a someone. 140 00:09:29,639 --> 00:09:32,360 And I remember I've gone through this in my head 141 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:35,200 so many times over the year. I remember mentally trying 142 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,840 to puce what I'm looking at into something I knew, no, 143 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,879 a horse or cow, something like that. And it's back 144 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:44,639 lit by the sun. I thought, this is not either 145 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,399 one of those, and it's not a man. It's large 146 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:53,120 sort of chocolate coverard hair covered things standing there on 147 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:56,000 two legs and I had never even heard a big 148 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,320 but never I remember when I was in I was 149 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:02,080 that was my first year in middle school. I was 150 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,799 sixth grade at this time. When I was in elementary school, 151 00:10:06,879 --> 00:10:09,360 kids would joke about the goat man's going to get you. 152 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,120 That was a term I heard a lot, and even 153 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,120 hearing that, I think that's just a story people make 154 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,559 up to keep young people from going out and parking 155 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,519 on country roads and necking and stuff like that. So 156 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,080 you know, the goat man isn't anything real. It's just 157 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,240 they believe. I so goat man. I was familiar with 158 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,519 the term. But here is something I never heard of, 159 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:39,600 and it's standing there about fifteen feet away. And the 160 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,799 last lucid thought that I had was why is this 161 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:46,639 guy breathing so hard? He wasn't walking because he's going. 162 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:56,120 Then I'm thinking, and then it hit me, He's not 163 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,559 breathing hard from exertion. He smalls me and he knows 164 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:05,240 I'm there. And like I said, I was looking to 165 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:09,279 my back right pur pro vision, and I just had 166 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,879 this horrible sinking feeling and the next thing I knew, 167 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,639 I'm looking down at my lap. Oh twenty hindsight, I know, 168 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:23,080 I painted the fact that I'm sitting down up against 169 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:29,159 this tree. I'm still upright, so to speak. When I 170 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,080 sort of got gathered my wits or revived from the faint, 171 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:39,120 I slowly look up and turn again, and I think, 172 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,159 what is this thing going to do to me? And 173 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:44,600 it's still breathing like that, and I'm thinking, my god, 174 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,279 this thing's gonna kill me or whatever, and it's gonna 175 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:54,639 be suddenly go. Just all I can describe is a 176 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:00,759 sort of a disgusted grunt snort like ah. And it 177 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:03,960 turned and walked away to my back left, sort of 178 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,399 at the same pace, not heard off in that direction. 179 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:14,240 And I sat there until I couldn't hear the footballs anymore. 180 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:17,799 But I was just so I know, I am sure 181 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,759 I was in a state of shop because it just 182 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:28,200 didn't register with anything right that, Like I said, any 183 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,159 known quantity with me. I can say all the times 184 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,000 my dad would come and go, when he'd drop, when 185 00:12:36,039 --> 00:12:37,879 he'd walk away in the morning, and then when he 186 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,120 had slowly come back, he'd always whistle when he got close, 187 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,440 so I know he was getting close. And my dad's 188 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,320 six feet tall, so relative to seeing him from a 189 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,240 sitting position, there on that deerstand so many times I 190 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,559 knew this thing was probably six two six thirty maybe, 191 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,919 so it wasn't overly tall, but it was very bare 192 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,279 well built, and with the sun back lighting it almost 193 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,159 gave it a sort of a red halo tinge around it. 194 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:14,120 The hair hair tips, that makes sense. Yeah, And I 195 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:18,240 couldn't really see its face because, like I said, with 196 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:20,600 the sun behind it, it's in shadow. All I could 197 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,679 see was this very well put together thing, and its 198 00:13:25,759 --> 00:13:30,360 head was sort of comb shape, you know, because I'm 199 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:33,720 there looking up at it so I can really focus 200 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,559 my with my purpul vision. I was more focused on 201 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,600 the top part of its body. I didn't move my 202 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,840 head around to see what its feet looked like or 203 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:47,240 anything else. Sometimes, you know, when I go over and 204 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:49,240 over it, this is in my mind. I thought, if 205 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,399 I were to leaned around to get a look good 206 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,960 look at it, what would have what would it have done? 207 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:55,559 I'll never know. 208 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: After it walked off and you could no longer hear it, 209 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,879 did you go find your dad or what did you do? 210 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:05,879 Did you stay at the tree? 211 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: No? I just stayed there. I didn't move a muscle. 212 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,919 I was so I was so petrified that I didn't move, because, 213 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:16,480 like I said, I couldn't even begin to process what 214 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:21,159 I had just seen. And so I even looked at 215 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,879 it for several seconds before I know I painted, and 216 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:28,360 I looked at it for a few more seconds once 217 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,159 I came out of the paint or walked off. So 218 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,679 I have no idea how much time lapsed in between, 219 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,200 but I wouldn't think it would be that much, right. 220 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:41,720 But in other words, from my position, I think I 221 00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:44,360 got it as good to look at it at at 222 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,120 it as I could have without really leaning around the 223 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:54,159 tree to try to look directly at it. Oh wow, No, 224 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:57,799 I didn't. I didn't. Like I said, my dad was 225 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,879 form a military marks and ship badges and stuff like that. 226 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:04,679 Here's no nonsense in the woods. So I didn't dare 227 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,039 say anything to him, even think I was out of 228 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:10,039 my mind or whatever. And so it was just one 229 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:17,360 of those things I let fester in my brain. And 230 00:15:17,559 --> 00:15:19,960 the next year, in nineteen seventy two, we went to 231 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,519 watch a movie called Legend of Boggy Creek, which I 232 00:15:23,559 --> 00:15:27,000 know pretty much everybody's heard of at this point. And 233 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:32,000 when that movie started going on and I saw the 234 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,679 lay of the land, the woods and the creeks and 235 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,279 stuff like that, how much it looked like where we hunted. 236 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,120 And then that thing, that's when I knew what I 237 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:45,679 had seen. Boy, that movie scared the hell out of me. 238 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,080 It scared me so bad that I really didn't want 239 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,159 to ever hunt again. I'm not afraid of the woods, 240 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,559 but I just never wanted to be in that position again. 241 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:02,720 But that movie sort of, in my young mind, explained 242 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:06,279 a lot to me about what I've seen, and so 243 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,679 that was sort of my introduction to those critters. 244 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: That's quite the introduction, man. I mean, that encounter is 245 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,879 something that I think would really impact anyone who had it, 246 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,480 let alone eleven year old kid, you know. 247 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:26,559 Speaker 1: Oh exactly. And to me, that's the one thing that well, 248 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:30,720 there are several things that vallidate me what I saw 249 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:35,240 is I had no preconceived notion of this, you know, 250 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,559 that type of animal. Right, So the fact that I 251 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:43,919 know what I know, I saw it looks exactly like 252 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,720 you know, the Patterson Gimlin film or what other people 253 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:52,000 described as saying. And also and trying to look things 254 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,200 up on YouTube, I was recently trying to find sounds 255 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,840 that I was hearing to see I heard other people 256 00:17:01,559 --> 00:17:04,799 talk about encounters they had. The way they described the 257 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,960 breathing when one walked up it was exactly not sort of, 258 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:13,200 it was exactly the way this thing reacted to me, 259 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,000 with the heavy breathing in the sort of snort like 260 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,200 you know, I'm done with you? What are you doing 261 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:21,960 here in my way? 262 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? That sound of disgust that you were talking about 263 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,279 is something that I've heard a lot of people mentioned 264 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:32,359 in their encounters, at least the ones that were that 265 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:36,079 close to seeing these things. 266 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a damn human What are you doing? 267 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? 268 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I vividly remember that and just it walking away. 269 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,680 Like I said, it didn't. It was not hurried at all. 270 00:17:50,759 --> 00:17:54,720 It left at the same pace that it came. And 271 00:17:54,759 --> 00:17:57,480 again it didn't seem like it was too concerned about 272 00:17:58,079 --> 00:18:01,599 being deadly quiet went through the woods. It just was 273 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,079 doing whatever I was doing that morning. 274 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: Now. Did you hear any stories from that area later 275 00:18:09,519 --> 00:18:10,799 on in life? 276 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:17,039 Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, definitely, because my dad I lived in well 277 00:18:17,079 --> 00:18:19,640 Boston and southern California for a number of years, and 278 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:25,240 after the horrible drought in primarily Texas in twenty eleven, 279 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,119 my son had just graduated and was going to college 280 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,039 and on the East coast. So my dad needed help 281 00:18:31,079 --> 00:18:33,279 with his land and cattle in that area. So I 282 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:39,160 went back there, and where I was, you hear sounds 283 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,559 there was actually several acres in my dad's property falls 284 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,799 within the Davy Crockett National Forest. That land's been in 285 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,680 my family for years and years, and he used to 286 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,599 pay the US government this very small token amount each 287 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:59,160 year because of that acreage. But I've heard sounds from there. 288 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,119 But the most vivid encounter I heard of when I 289 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,160 was there one of my dad's well, I considered the 290 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,519 guy he passed away just recently. He was one of 291 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:14,920 my dad's best friends. Tells his story of one of 292 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,440 his buddies led hunts in the area deer hunts again, 293 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:25,279 and he had deer stands set up north of Gropton, 294 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,839 up the ninety four corridor that goes to Lufkin, Texas 295 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,920 and between Broken Luck in the the Natures River, and 296 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:39,440 there's this area called ironically Boggy Slough. And so this 297 00:19:39,519 --> 00:19:42,720 guy had some stands set up in the Boggy Slow 298 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:47,960 area right where Trinity, sort of Trinity and Angelina County meets. 299 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,960 And again this is like heavily forested area, and the 300 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:55,799 fact that the river ran through there gave all these 301 00:19:55,799 --> 00:20:00,640 swampy marshy areas. And so according to the story of 302 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,079 my dad's, a friend told it had been related to 303 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:08,160 him from his buddy. So it's beyond second third hand. 304 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,200 But this guy is very reliable. He was honest. You 305 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,119 tell long story, but he was honest about it. He 306 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,519 said a friend had put this guy out on a 307 00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:20,440 deer stand one morning about the same time that bears 308 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,000 my encounter. It was November, but this was in twenty sixteen. 309 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,039 Is when this happens. And guys out there on the 310 00:20:28,079 --> 00:20:31,079 stand and he's sitting and sitting sitting in the morning 311 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,720 grows long and it's light, and he knows he's going 312 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:38,079 to be picked up barely soon, and so he's sort 313 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:41,119 of giving up on the white tail for that morning. 314 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,480 And suddenly a sounder of wild hogs comes out of 315 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:47,559 the woods, and so he's looking at all these pigs 316 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:50,440 and he's thinking, what, I'm not going to get a 317 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,640 deer today, I'm shoot the biggest pig here, And so 318 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:59,720 he picks the biggest one out and shoots it. Pig 319 00:21:00,319 --> 00:21:03,920 over in the middle of the pig falls over this 320 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:10,640 large bpedal animal walks out of the woods, grabs the 321 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,000 pig that he had shot, picks it up like it 322 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:17,920 weighs nothing, and slams it into a tree and then 323 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,039 walks off back into the woods with the pig. No way, 324 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:26,200 Oh that's the only this guy told him. So the 325 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,640 guy like, I said that, put the guy in the stand. 326 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,480 He comes out to the stand, and he figures the 327 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,960 guy would hear him coming up, you know, and get 328 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:37,160 up and walk out of the deer stand because one 329 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:42,160 of those little enclosed stand sort of little rectangular type things. Yeah, 330 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,240 if Berndy deer hunters would be telling where you have, 331 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,759 you know, you can sort of look all around you. 332 00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:50,440 And so he doesn't see the guy. He starts to 333 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,000 get worried and he goes to the stand, opens the oysters. 334 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:56,240 The guy is lying curled up in the fetal position 335 00:21:56,839 --> 00:21:59,920 on the floor. There's his deer stand, and the guy 336 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,359 just kept saying, it's going to kill me, it's going 337 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,680 to kill me, it's going to kill me. And he's 338 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,720 trying to get something on this guy. What happened, what happened? 339 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,640 And he said that the guy explains to what happened, 340 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,160 So he said he the he walked out to a 341 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,319 place where the guy explaining, he said, there's blood on 342 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,599 the ground and then blood up in the tree where 343 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,079 the guy said that the animals snacked the pig against 344 00:22:25,079 --> 00:22:29,160 the tree. So coming from my dad's friend, I have 345 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:31,440 to believe that's true, because, like I said, he was 346 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,920 a no nonsense guy. 347 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: And so stealing kills like that from hunters is not 348 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:43,200 unheard of. Uh. There there was an incident not too 349 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:49,519 far from there, I guess around the well, we'll say, 350 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:53,359 outside of Jefferson, Texas. And it was a friend of 351 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,839 mine and they had some property and her son went 352 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,119 deer hunting on their property one evening and he shot 353 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,640 a deer and they tracked it and it got too 354 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,160 dark on him and they couldn't find it, and they 355 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,440 didn't want to leave it, but they didn't really have 356 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,559 any choice, so they went back to the house. Next morning, 357 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,680 they get up and she goes with them to try 358 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,279 and find this deer, and they found the blood trail 359 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:31,039 and they're following the blood trail, and then the blood 360 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:38,839 trail disappears. It just stops and she could see where 361 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,240 it looked like something walked off through the brush. So 362 00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:45,759 she kind of followed that trail. It wasn't like a 363 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,480 game trail or anything, though, she said, but it was 364 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:51,240 just broken brush and things like that. And she thought, well, 365 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:55,759 maybe something happened for whatever reason, you know, I'm not 366 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,079 seeing the blood trail. Maybe the deer walked off this way. 367 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,640 So she follows it, and eventually she finds the deer 368 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,440 and it's just kind of like laying in this little 369 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:14,160 clearing out in the woods, and all of the ground 370 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:19,279 around it in about a ten foot radius looked like 371 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:22,039 it had been cleared out, like the leaves and all 372 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:25,440 the ground clutter had been pushed back away from the 373 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,000 deer and cleared out away from the deer. And the 374 00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:31,279 deer's like laying in the middle of this circle, and 375 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:36,519 its body is just twisted up like an old washcloth. 376 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,599 I mean, something has taken it and broken its neck 377 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,079 and just twisted the whole body around. And there weren't 378 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,279 any you know, signs of scavenging or anything like that. 379 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:51,720 Weirdest thing. She showed me pictures of it. Don't know 380 00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:54,599 that a bigfoot did it, but don't really have any 381 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,240 explanation for it. Never heard of anything like that usually, 382 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,559 you know, if coyotes do it, they'll tear it up 383 00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:02,960 pretty good and kind of scattered around all over the place. 384 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,960 But the whole deer was there, just twisted up. 385 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,519 Speaker 1: Digressing from my guess is that one that guy saw 386 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:14,720 it was probably hunting those pigs and he just made 387 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,039 it easy for it by shooting one of them. Back 388 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:22,079 to what you just told me, I'm sure my dad 389 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:25,960 wouldn't want me sharing this, but we had this area 390 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:29,119 adjacent to where I was staying. When I was there 391 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,839 helping him. He calls the patch. We drive cattle in 392 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,000 there and then we could load them from in there, 393 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,759 or if you get a sickly one, we put them 394 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,799 in that area. And it's about an acre or more 395 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,640 and it's got a lot of vegetation, completely surrounded by trees. 396 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,599 And this is only about two hundred yards from the 397 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,799 National Forest part of the pasture I was mentioning. So 398 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,480 my dad had bought some calves and one of them 399 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,319 got sort of sickly, So you know, we put them 400 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,720 in the patch because it's it's adjacent to the barn, 401 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:09,599 and so it's got plenty of vegetation there to eat 402 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,480 and it can come up to the barn where I 403 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,119 had water in the troughs for it. So one morning 404 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,000 I go out there. This was only I guess two 405 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,319 thousand and eight, so a couple of years after that 406 00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:29,920 happened with the hunter. I go out there, and I 407 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,200 didn't I figured the cap would be up near the barn, 408 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,079 because I'd give it some feet in the morning, and 409 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,599 it wasn't up there. I start walking through the patch 410 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:42,359 and the vegetation pretty high, so I'm looking looking then 411 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,519 like you describe icee, a depressed area in the grass, 412 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,079 and then I see the cap. It was ripped in two. 413 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,079 Its back moan was the only thing that connected the 414 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:03,680 front end to the back end. And anyone who's ever fished, 415 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,359 if you know you've got a fish, you spice them 416 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,839 straight down the belly and remove all the insides. That's 417 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,839 the way the inside of this cap looked. There was 418 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,359 it was just ripped into. There was a front half 419 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,480 of it, the back half of it, and it's intros 420 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,480 all that. It was just gone cleaned out, and there 421 00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:27,160 was this huge depressed area all around it. Like you described. 422 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,039 It didn't have a bite mark on it. 423 00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:33,039 Speaker 2: Was there any blood around the body. 424 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: No, it was just there wasn't like dogs or coyotes 425 00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:44,720 or anything got it. It was just ripped into Literally. 426 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:49,160 My dad came out there that morning. I said, you're 427 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,400 you're not going to believe this, and he said, where's 428 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,480 the cat? And I said follow me and he started 429 00:27:55,519 --> 00:28:00,559 walking behind me and when he saw that, he said, 430 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,559 I've never seen anything like that before. He turned around 431 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,799 and walk So that's one I had no idea. 432 00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've heard stories like that many times 433 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:19,880 where the internal organ seemed to be missing, and it's 434 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,799 almost like it's sliced open with something sharp. Sometimes weirdest thing. 435 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: That's how this was. It was almost like someone just 436 00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:30,480 cut it from one side all the way around to 437 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:34,119 the other. It's backbone had the front back still connected, 438 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,039 but everything inside was just gone. 439 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: And the strange thing about those things is like I asked, 440 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,599 any blood around the bikey, there's never any blood. And 441 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,319 you would think that if you slice an animal open 442 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:47,839 then pull its insides out, there's going to be blood everywhere. 443 00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:56,559 Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. Yeah, I agree with you. Oh that was interesting. 444 00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,839 Speaker 2: Well, your encounter as a kid was definitely enough to 445 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:05,240 have an impact on anyone, So I assume this incident 446 00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,400 stuck with you throughout life and that's kind of how 447 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,240 we ended up on this show together. Right now. You've 448 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,319 been keeping an eye out for weird stuff, for strange 449 00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,680 things that don't make any sense, and at your current 450 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,079 place in New Mexico, you found some interesting things. Has 451 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:30,160 anything happened in the timeline between Texas and New Mexico 452 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,720 or is this more recent stuff really the stuff that's 453 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:35,720 been standing out to you? 454 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,119 Speaker 1: Well, I haven't even finished with this stuff in Texas. 455 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: Oh good lord. 456 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,759 Speaker 1: Wow, Now there's one. The reason I shared the one 457 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,599 when I was a kid is because I typed that up, 458 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,039 and typing up helped me remember and even brought things 459 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:55,440 back to me. But I told you about the two 460 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,440 twenty sixteen incident with that hunter up there. Twenty seventeen, 461 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,759 I was back in that baby crocket National first part 462 00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:07,759 of my dad's pastor, and I hit my dogs with 463 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,480 me and there's a point where the woods get really thick. 464 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:17,319 There's this old government fencing and my dog suddenly alerted 465 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:21,960 on something and I looked up and I actually saw one. 466 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:27,680 I'd say I three to five seconds. It was on 467 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,160 the others in the heavily wooded area, part of the 468 00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:34,759 National Force, and it went left to right. It was 469 00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:38,680 like watching an NFL lineman do the swim move where 470 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,799 they use their arms. It's good, that's what it did. 471 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:46,160 And I thought it was what am I seeing? And 472 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,119 I jump deer there countless times, and this wasn't a 473 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,680 deer jump. It was a large It was about the 474 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,519 same color as the one I saw when I was 475 00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:56,759 a kid. Like I said, it was only three to 476 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:01,039 five seconds. What amazed me is how thick that brush 477 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,920 was and how fast it got through it and how 478 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,720 little sound it made. Basically all I saw was from 479 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,720 about waste up and it was gone. 480 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:13,599 Speaker 2: How big was that one? 481 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,039 Speaker 1: It was taller than the other one. This one, I think. 482 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:21,720 I don't know why. It sounds silly, but it sort 483 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,519 of has. That reminds me that Chewbacca sort of looked 484 00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:27,400 through it. It seemed like it was about six and 485 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,079 a half feet tall. But it was just so fast 486 00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:35,680 and I just did there done, And unlike when I 487 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,079 was a kid, at this point, I wasn't There was 488 00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:42,880 no fear involved. It was just incredulity as to what 489 00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:47,200 I just witnessed and how fast it went, how it 490 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,160 was just gone. 491 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:51,559 Speaker 2: Now you say you saw it for about three to 492 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,640 five seconds, no. 493 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:58,559 Speaker 1: Going, gone left or left to right and sort of 494 00:31:58,559 --> 00:31:59,359 back into. 495 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 2: The wood, and then it just gott in a thicker 496 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,000 cover where you couldn't see it anymore. 497 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly. And like I said, what amazed me 498 00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:11,480 is how little sound had made aside from all the 499 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,200 brush the vegetation moving. I was saying, I didn't hear 500 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:20,160 any walking anything. It was just zoom. This happened in 501 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,680 the same timeframe. My dad has other property on the 502 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,400 way up to Lupin that he leases, and there was 503 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,759 a cow that he couldn't find. This is probably just 504 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,319 a week or so after I'd seen that one. So 505 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,799 he couldn't find one of his cows and she was sick, 506 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400 so he wanted me to go up and look for it. 507 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,839 So I go up to that property. It's only a 508 00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:51,359 few miles north of Groton, and it's heavily wooded. If 509 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,680 you didn't see any and every kind of animal in 510 00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:58,680 this place. And so I'm in it with my dogs, 511 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,640 my dogs from that time, and there's one area that's 512 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,200 sort of a clearing that's sort of pear shape, and 513 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,839 there's a deer stand down at the what would be 514 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,000 the bottom of the pear that looks out over this 515 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,160 clearing and there's a really really thick stand of bamboo 516 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:20,200 all along the left side of it. So I go 517 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,960 around the base of it. I'm going up and I 518 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,839 had the bamboo to my left, and I had a 519 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,279 red heeler and he was always out free lancing, just 520 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,160 running around, running around, and he'd make contact with me 521 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,599 every a few minutes. Blue heeler and she was pretty 522 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,039 insecure and she always stayed near mean. And I'm walking 523 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:43,759 the bamboos to my left, and there's a really deep 524 00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:48,279 creek that flows into Piny Creek, which then goes into 525 00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:52,920 the Natures River. There's a really deep creek on the 526 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,680 other side of that war I was walking and I 527 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,359 knew my dog had the red heeler had gone over there, 528 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,519 and next thing you know, he's in front of me, 529 00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:05,720 and I almost trip Ograhim. And I always try to 530 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,840 be as quiet as I possibly can when I'm out there, 531 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,800 because I want to see what some animals we're going 532 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,880 to see him, you know, I get to kick out 533 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,639 of that. My dog's like seeing deer and pigs and 534 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,880 other stuff. And he had my dog can look on 535 00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,880 absolute terror on his face, and so I quietly say 536 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,360 said to him, I said, what's wrong, Red, what's up? 537 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,639 What's up? And he just looked at me, and so 538 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,599 I finally I get him out of the way and 539 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,119 I start walking again, and he runs in front of 540 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:39,400 me again, and I had to stop short. And the 541 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,679 minute I did, I hear football football crunch. It's like 542 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,840 something across that creek on the other side of the 543 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,960 bamboo walked and it had to stop short too, and 544 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,039 I could hear this dead ball sort of slowly cracking 545 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,760 as it put his foot down, and I thought, okay, 546 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,119 did I just hear what I thought? I And for 547 00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:04,599 a second time, I tried to start walking, and my 548 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,480 dog they just wouldn't let me move, And so i'd 549 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:11,239 walked a few steps and the same thing happened, but 550 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,159 that time I just heard step step, real heavy steps. 551 00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:19,360 I thought, oh man, there's something obviously something over there 552 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,559 that's got my dog's petrified. So I just stand there 553 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:28,239 a few minutes and listen and listen and listen, and 554 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,360 try to get my dogs through lives. And I finally 555 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,360 get them out of my way, and I think, Okay, 556 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,000 I'm gonna try to make it to the end of 557 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,280 this stand of bamboo. And I'm going to be able 558 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,800 to look across that creek and see what's over there 559 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,440 if I can see through the brush. So I start 560 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:50,079 walking again, and again my dogs just getting front when 561 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,320 I had to stop and I heard step step, and 562 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,679 it stopped, and I thought, the hell with this. I'm 563 00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:58,559 not anything that's got him that scared. I'm not going 564 00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,599 to see it. But it sounded like something. It's walking 565 00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:05,119 on two legs and it's big, and so I just 566 00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:07,920 said to heck with it and went and sort of 567 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:10,440 tried to look for that cow somewhere else. But my 568 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:14,000 dogs are just petrified that they would not leave my sigh. 569 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:18,440 After that, Becau said all that, and less than a 570 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,440 week after that, I was at my dad's house and 571 00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:27,639 he said, did did you hear anybody in town say 572 00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:31,400 that someone saw said they saw a bigfoot on Walter 573 00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:35,360 Dial Road? And that's name for my great grandfather, and 574 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,079 that's exactly where that property is. Walter Dial Road crosses 575 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,440 well stops at ninety four that goes up to Luckin 576 00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:47,280 and then Lloyd James Road is where that property is. 577 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,400 And I said, no, I hadn't heard that. And I said, 578 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:57,199 but that sound encounter I tried to tell him about that. 579 00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:00,199 He said, oh, it's probably just a big hog his 580 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:05,079 answer for ever everything. I thought, no, because I've been 581 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,519 on that property a lot of times and my dogs 582 00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:11,239 had actually killed a couple of hogs out there that 583 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,199 they sadly caught, but that's just what dogs do. And 584 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,599 so I thought, between what that hunter saw, what I 585 00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:24,679 saw down, you know, doing the swim move through the 586 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,960 National Force and the place I was just talking about, 587 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,199 that's literally maybe three miles total from there where we 588 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,599 heard that thing walking on the other side of the creek. 589 00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:39,159 All that happened really within the span of a few months. 590 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,920 So interesting coincidences. 591 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty high rate of activity for that short 592 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,639 amount of time, especially in a small area like that. 593 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,519 Speaker 1: But the forests have been sort of cut, so it 594 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,519 creates a corridor right through there, and so anything that 595 00:37:56,639 --> 00:38:01,000 wants to stay and cover sort of be to stay 596 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,360 in that narrow swath of forests. 597 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 2: Now, are there, by chance, any big power lines that 598 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,679 run through their train tracks? 599 00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:14,519 Speaker 1: No, No, there's just well, the like I said, the 600 00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:18,719 ninety four corridor that goes up to Lufkin. Yeah, it's 601 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,199 about the only one. And that's where, like I said, 602 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,679 someone my dad said, someone in town said they saw 603 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,480 a big put right there and that was literally within 604 00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,920 days of where I heard that animal on the other 605 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,280 side of the creek, and that's literally right off ninety 606 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,000 four and Walter Dle Road. 607 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,519 Speaker 2: Does that round up your Texas stuff or was there anything. 608 00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:47,559 Speaker 1: Else aside from the whoops and the howls which I 609 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:50,440 would hear from my place and I heard someone else 610 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,920 has a recording this recently. A lot of times when 611 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,599 I would hear the coyotes go off, within moments, I 612 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,840 would hear a sound that sounded like that the Ohio 613 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:09,039 Howell superimposed over the coyotes. I actually managed to record 614 00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:11,519 that once with this little cheap device, but it was 615 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,320 just so the recording was so muddy you couldn't make 616 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,119 it out. But I heard that on multiple occasions where 617 00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:22,360 the coyotes would start going, then I hear that, oh, 618 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:26,320 and I thank god, crazy stuff. 619 00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:29,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard that a couple of times up there 620 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,920 in the Angelina National Forest. 621 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,199 Speaker 1: So I don't know. They're chicken in the egg thing, 622 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,719 which I don't know if one starts the other or 623 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,239 which one? 624 00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, which one? There's there's something to it, for sure, 625 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,960 I don't know if it's you know, coyto coyotes chasing 626 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,519 things down and bigfoot taking advantage of it, or if 627 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,679 it's the other way around. But there there's definitely something 628 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,239 going on between those two. 629 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some sim Maybe it's not a symbiotic relationship, 630 00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:05,440 but you know, there's one's messing with the other one, 631 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,519 I guess in some degree. But yeah, and I know 632 00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:12,480 that other sound that sort of superimposed over the coyote 633 00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:17,400 isn't a coyote, Yeah, that's for sure, just too robust 634 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,760 and too much volume. 635 00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:21,800 Speaker 2: Did you ever hear any wood knocks in that area? 636 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,039 Speaker 1: Yes, well, only a couple of times, but hoops, I've 637 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,880 heard multiple Yeah, just very almost an ape like quality 638 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,440 to it, really loud, Yeah, from from that same stretch 639 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,400 of us. One morning, I was out of the sun 640 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,800 hadn't come up and actually heard one that was almost 641 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,519 directly west of where I was, And then I heard 642 00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:52,639 another one, so it was almost one was there saying 643 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,320 where are you? 644 00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,119 Speaker 2: I'm here, responding back and forth. 645 00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was that was not a bird, or 646 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,519 a bird wouldn't aance And it was just so like 647 00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:08,280 I said, robust loud ape like. 648 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,599 Speaker 2: New Mexico, not the first place that people think of bigfoot, 649 00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,760 but lots of bigfoot stories come out of there. 650 00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:20,079 Speaker 1: As you and I tried to emails. So they were 651 00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:24,920 just I try to find an explanation for everything that 652 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,840 I encounter in nature. And I like being out there. 653 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,159 And I'd only been at the place I am out 654 00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:36,440 for a few days, and we went up it's the 655 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,119 western flank of the sangreg Cisto Mountains, which means blood 656 00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:43,760 of Christ. And they look that way as the sun 657 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,039 is setting, and the north of Tao said about eight 658 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:53,119 thousand feet and I'm taking my dogs out and we 659 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,480 go up into the mountains and we discover what looks 660 00:41:56,519 --> 00:42:00,679 like old piping that was once used to care maybe 661 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,760 snow melt down from the mountains. And we have this 662 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,079 high desert, very dry, that's to the west of where 663 00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:12,320 I am. And so it just started following an old 664 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,159 road up there that looks like it was once used maintenance. 665 00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:19,639 And now it looks like there's a game trail thorough 666 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,000 bear you know, see bear tracks and deer tracks and 667 00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:27,079 coyote tracks and droppings and stuff like that. And I 668 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:31,239 have a young dogs now, and the youngest one is 669 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,360 a husky and he's pretty fired up and always running ahead. So, 670 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,559 like I said, one of the first time Blue went 671 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:42,960 out and we're up in the mountains, there's this is 672 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,119 in the Carson National Course, and there was no one around. 673 00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:49,559 And back to this day, I've never seen a single 674 00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:51,880 person up there. And we go out there up there 675 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,079 almost every day, and this area and the young dog 676 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,320 kept running ahead, and we're at the bottom of this arroyo, 677 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:05,480 following the remnants of these roads. I finally got frustrated 678 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,320 with him. I had the other dog on the leash 679 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,280 because he weighs ninety pounds and if the husky goes, 680 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,800 the other dog will go and they might wind up 681 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:19,480 in Colorado chasing something. So I called the dog puppy. 682 00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,480 So I actually sort of growl us a fucking slow 683 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:25,760 down you now again, I'm always trying to be quiet, 684 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,760 and I sort of growled at at him. And two 685 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:34,039 are left and above us up the creek, were following 686 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,800 up this arroyo. Something. It was a combination of a 687 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,400 scream and a howl that was so ungodly loud I 688 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,440 thought it knocked me off my feet. It was that loud. 689 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,920 And my first thought was everybody in Taos County had 690 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,239 to have earned that. And I can't see it, but 691 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,360 it's I know it's up there, and the husky starts 692 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,039 running back at me, and the dog I have on 693 00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,639 the leash starts running up at it, wanting to get 694 00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:03,000 whatever for it is. And I had one of those 695 00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:07,559 the plastic handle leashes that's retractable, and I had to 696 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,840 fight fight to get up to my dog, and this 697 00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:16,559 thing kept screaming at us this whole time. And I 698 00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:19,719 finally got to my dog and I literally had to 699 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,039 pin him to the ground. I had to get on 700 00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:25,320 him so because I was worried he was going to 701 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,320 break the end of that leaf out and go after it, 702 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,960 and is this thing screaming at us? It finally started 703 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,360 going up and up and up and up, and it 704 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:40,639 went up into the mountain and until the sound effectively baited, 705 00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:44,840 it stopped, but it just screamed for and I was 706 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,079 sitting there thinking, God, I had my phone, I had 707 00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:49,840 a little recorder hang on it, but I was so 708 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:55,159 busy fighting my dog that came from going after it. That, Uh, 709 00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:58,760 that was about as bizarre as anything I've had happened 710 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,239 in a while, because it it was just so loud 711 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,880 and I tried to describe it to someone. I said, 712 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,599 it's be like the cross of a coyote on steroids 713 00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:10,199 and a siren. That's how it sounded. 714 00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:13,119 Speaker 2: What animal does that? I can't think of any animal 715 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:15,519 that just would continuously call like that. 716 00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 1: No, that's see my new that's my new thought process. 717 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,000 Instead of saying what is it, I start with what 718 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:23,679 isn't it? 719 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 2: Right? 720 00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:27,519 Speaker 1: That wasn't a bear, it wasn't a deer, it wasn't 721 00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:31,559 an elk. I start going backwards. The only rational conclusion 722 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:35,000 I can reach is again I mentioned earlier about trying 723 00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,239 to look up sounds on YouTube. That's that's why I 724 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,840 was doing that, to try to match some animal or 725 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:48,199 whatever with what we heard and the closest and there 726 00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:53,239 were a couple of alleged sasquatch things. One was in 727 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,760 West Virginia and then another recording I heard from ELK 728 00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:01,960 Texas Sam Houston National Force and very similar to this, 729 00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:03,719 very similar. 730 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,320 Speaker 2: I was going to ask, is that the incident that 731 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,159 caused you to put a game camera out there? 732 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly, Yeah, Yeah, that's when I put a game 733 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,559 camera up in that area. And less than a week 734 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,360 later is when I got that weird picture that I 735 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,119 sent to you that you you worked with. 736 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, but now there's a lot of weird stuff going 737 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,039 on with that game camera though in that location. 738 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like I said, got the weird picture that 739 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:42,159 sure looked as I joked, it looked like the late 740 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,519 Dan Haggerty is Grizzly Adams like his chin. Yeah, you know, 741 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,800 until you were able to manipulate what was there. But 742 00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:55,159 then for the bears, I got several pictures of bears 743 00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,760 and occasionally they would move the camera around the tree 744 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,639 a little bit. I just assumed it was then. But 745 00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:05,519 as I've indicated to you, about five days within a 746 00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:10,039 week of that weird picture appearing, I went up there 747 00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:14,239 and the camera was just gone. And so I thought 748 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,280 either the bears took it off or someone happened up 749 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,280 here and stole it, and I know it was gone. 750 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,559 I looked up and down that arroyo, and I went 751 00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:26,280 there multiple times since, and even when I was going 752 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,639 to write up basically the information I shared with you 753 00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:31,639 to say the camera was so and so high on 754 00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:34,440 the tree. I stood right in front of the tree 755 00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,440 that I hadn't mounted on to use my mind's eye 756 00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:40,199 so I could say Okay, this is about five and 757 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,800 a half feet right here, and so I'm standing right 758 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,440 in front of the tree and for me to show 759 00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:52,519 up there again in late December, two months after it 760 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,840 was gone, and my dogs are going up to this 761 00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:58,119 point where I had it, and I go up there 762 00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:02,519 and the camera was right there at the basically the 763 00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:04,599 strap that held it on the tree is gone, but 764 00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:05,480 it was there. 765 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 2: The same tree it was mounted on. 766 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:13,079 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, And I'm thinking this can't be happening because 767 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,519 I've been up here multiple times in that time. I 768 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,920 stood right in front of the tree, I would have 769 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,159 been I would have literally stepped on it with my 770 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:27,360 right foot. And it was gone for two months, so 771 00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:32,039 I could figure out. I've tried to rationalize what happened 772 00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:35,000 in my mind, and all I could think is, you 773 00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,679 know I won those things. I thought maybe some kids 774 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,719 stole it and his mom said, where did you get this? 775 00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:43,760 And you go put it back where you found it. 776 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,719 You know. I'm just going through what I think are 777 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,599 logical reasons for it being gone that long, and I 778 00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,519 couldn't think come up with any because I thought if 779 00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:58,480 someone told me to do that, you know, most kids, 780 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,880 if they had they just go and pick somewhere or 781 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,039 whatever and say, yeah, I did it, But it was 782 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,039 exactly on the tree, on the same side of the 783 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,000 tree and everything. It was just lying there, right at 784 00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:12,679 the base of the tree. And I'd been up there 785 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,599 a number of times, and it wasn't at the base 786 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:16,880 of that tree. 787 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,400 Speaker 2: Any weird photos that give you any kind of clues 788 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,159 or anything. No. 789 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,519 Speaker 1: That was the other equally bizarre thing, because I hadn't 790 00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:32,400 The pictures that I sent you were on that SD 791 00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:34,800 card that was in there, so I didn't want to 792 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:40,000 delete them yet. So there were no new pictures on 793 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,719 this thing from the time that I had last checked 794 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,920 it until the day had reappeared. And that, to me 795 00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:55,679 de buys logic because I think even even if it 796 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,159 was lying there the entire time, something would have walked 797 00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:02,440 close enough to or even me picking it up or whatever. 798 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,119 And so all I could think was maybe I hadn't 799 00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,519 turned it on all the way because it was It's 800 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:11,840 one of these that's got one click to the left 801 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,679 to review the pictures on there, and then another turn 802 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,639 it on fully. But I always sit there and wait 803 00:50:18,679 --> 00:50:21,159 and look. It's just one of those things that I 804 00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:23,960 make myself do to until I see a little countdown 805 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,199 time starting before I close it walk away. So that 806 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,440 the fact that it was gone that long and the 807 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,440 fact that there were no pictures on it, it just 808 00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:36,079 devise logic in my mind. 809 00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, Well, the photo that you sent me, 810 00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:43,800 the kind of the situation around it was kind of 811 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,119 strange too, wasn't Wasn't the camera open whenever you got 812 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:47,440 to it? 813 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah, something that opened the camera. Yeah, 814 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,159 as I put it out. You know, I went to 815 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,159 check it the morning of the twenty third and I 816 00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:04,119 put a new SD card in it, closed it, and 817 00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,480 when I came back the morning of the twenty fourth, 818 00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:11,199 there are twenty two images on it. Image twenty two. 819 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,239 Is that weird? When I send you and the camera 820 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,440 was wide open, it something to open it and swung 821 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,880 it up where the lins and the motion sensor portion 822 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,280 are obviously facing toward the tree. So it's stopped picking 823 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,000 up any more images after whatever that was that's standing 824 00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:33,880 there with its body right in the camera. You know, 825 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,320 that's another one that's weird that you know, and I 826 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,880 could see a bear or one fellow thinks that's a 827 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,599 mountain lion that's got its space in it. You know, 828 00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,000 you could see a bear with its paws up, or 829 00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:48,519 a mountain line with its pause up somehow raking it 830 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,039 the camera just enough to hit that flip on the 831 00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:55,880 side that the little hinge were caused it to open. 832 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,920 But yeah, something opened. 833 00:51:57,639 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 2: It and then move the camera. 834 00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:05,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, something that opened it on one occasion, And like 835 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,280 I said, it had been sort of swung around the 836 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,119 tree a little a few times, and coincident with that, 837 00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:15,679 I'd have you bear images on there, so I think 838 00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:18,840 that's a bear. But the time it was open, all 839 00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:21,159 I can assume is that image that I sent you 840 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,719 is what opened it, and then the other time it 841 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,280 was just gone. That's another thing I was remissing saying. 842 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,079 The day that I found the camera at the base 843 00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:32,639 of the tree and I'm looking around, looking around, and 844 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,360 I get my camera. We start walking down the royal 845 00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,239 and it's so steep to get up out of there. 846 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,480 I had to wait until I go down probably about 847 00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:43,719 fifty sixty yards of this sort of semi game trail 848 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,679 that goes up and I'm climbing up the trail my 849 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,360 huskies ahead. I have the other dog in the leash. 850 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,440 I'm holding the camera, but I'm about ten yards from 851 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,679 the top. I hear from the mountaintop above us, I 852 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,800 hear whack one hard hit, so like someone hit a 853 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,440 tree with a baseball. And at that point I was 854 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,280 so out of my mind thinking where's this thing? Ben 855 00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:10,920 that I turned around and I held the camera, gave 856 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,840 a sort of a goofy nod and way to whatever 857 00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:16,400 sound it was that I heard up there, and I 858 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,599 got the hell out of there. That was just a 859 00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:21,760 weird coincidence. 860 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, to say the least, To say the very least, 861 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:26,920 it's a weird coincidence. 862 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,280 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, one of many. 863 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,159 Speaker 2: Sure, it's possible for you know, a bear. You know 864 00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:37,960 you've gotten pictures of bear. You know there's bear in 865 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,800 the area. They will mess with game cameras. I mean, yeah, 866 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,039 bear could have gotten the camera off of the tree, 867 00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:50,239 but it's not going to carry it off and then 868 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,679 bring it back two months later and set it at 869 00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:53,519 the base of the tree. 870 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,159 Speaker 1: Right. That's why that's in my mind going to forever 871 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,000 remain a mystery. If I could there were no images 872 00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:04,960 on there, trust me, I was insanely excited a whole 873 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,920 run down back here, thinking that who knows where there's 874 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,519 thing's been for two months and all that's going to 875 00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:18,280 be on there, and then to have absolutely nothing on there, 876 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:24,000 I thought, how could that possibly? Just like that devised comprehension. 877 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,559 Speaker 2: Most of those cameras, you know, they're triggered by motion. 878 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,199 They have a sensor on it, just like the little 879 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,760 sensors you see in the corner on the inside of buildings, 880 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,960 you know, the motion detectors, And whenever there's a fluctuation 881 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,760 in temperature, it triggers the camera. That's how the motion 882 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,559 sensor works on most of them. So somehow this camera 883 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,679 got removed from the tree, forcefully, carried off somewhere for 884 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,039 two months, brought back, set down at the base of 885 00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:56,760 the tree. No photos. 886 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,320 Speaker 1: Exactly, and trust me, and once I realized there were none, 887 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,920 the first thing I did was set it up in 888 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,159 here where I'm sitting right now and sort of got 889 00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:09,000 back and waved my hand in front of a few 890 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,039 times to make sure it was working. And sure enough, 891 00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:13,639 it worked fine. And I thought that just it makes 892 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,639 no sense to me, Like I said, my only logical 893 00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:22,360 explanations that someone took it and maybe you know, and 894 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,119 then they messed with it and did stuff and then 895 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,880 deleted their stuff or whatever, maybe didn't take any pictures all, 896 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,960 and then they felt remorse and put it back, but 897 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:42,119 there were no no new pictures on it, so bizarre. Well, 898 00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:45,280 you got that other one I sent either, Really it 899 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,159 was taken an instant before the initial that image, so whatever, 900 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,840 that's the same animal because it's literally the same, like 901 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,039 I said, within microseconds. I guess that's when that one 902 00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:03,000 was snapped. So I don't know if that might provide 903 00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:08,480 any insights in this madness, but it's weird stuff. 904 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,000 Speaker 2: How do you put the camera back? 905 00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:16,000 Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I just not that. It's not that 906 00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:20,920 I'm unnerved or anything, but I just figured, you know, 907 00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:24,599 if someone stole it, I didn't want to bring it 908 00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:28,400 up there again and have them take it again sort of. 909 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,119 But I probably should at this point because I bought another. 910 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,000 I bought another one to replace that one, and I 911 00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:39,039 put it somewhere else, so I should probably since I 912 00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:41,920 have too, just like you said, I should just bring 913 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,519 it back up there. And in theories, even though we 914 00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:53,079 had some warmer days recently, the bears in theory are hibernating. Oh, 915 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,880 they won't be messing with it. 916 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,960 Speaker 2: You know. They have those little uh like Apple Airtime 917 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,599 things where you can GPS track things. Maybe you should 918 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,760 stick one of those inside the case or something in 919 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,159 case it walks off again. 920 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,840 Speaker 1: That's for sure. I don't know. Like I said, it 921 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,880 doesn't matter in my mid sixties now, I can live 922 00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:21,239 one hundred more years and I'd never figure out how 923 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,320 that transpired. 924 00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:27,679 Speaker 2: Hey, me and you both, but you know, keep me 925 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,960 updated if you get any more crazy pictures or anything 926 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:31,840 else happens. 927 00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:34,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm look forward to seeing if you can decipher 928 00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:38,559 whatever that is that is on that one that was 929 00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:42,159 taken an instant before the other bazaarre. You know, we 930 00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:44,719 can find who's guilty of opening the game camera. 931 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,800 Speaker 2: It's been my experience in this field though you never 932 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,119 get those answers. 933 00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like I said, I don't research this stuff, 934 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,039 but it sure makes one look forward to going out 935 00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:01,239 and getting up there because you never know what's gonna happen. 936 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,119 Speaker 2: And if you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or something 937 00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:06,360 else you can't explain, and you'd like to share your story, 938 00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:09,360 send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. 939 00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:12,840 Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find 940 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,480 links to social media past episodes, merchandise everything you need, 941 00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:20,760 all in one place, and until next time, remember there's 942 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:21,679 something in the woods.