Speaker 1: Gets to that time of day where you can really
start to see things and you hear the woods come alive,
you can hear the bird, you hear the small animals
moving around. I start to hear sounds behind me and
back to my right in the distance, and I'm thinking,
what is this I'm hearing that. I realize it's actually football,
you know. I can hear crunch, crunch, crunch, and I
see someone standing there, but it's not a someone. And
I remember, I've gone through this in my head so
many times over the years. I remember mentally trying to
force what I'm looking at into something I knew, a
horse or cow, something like that, and it's a back
lit by the sun. I thought, this is not either
one of those, and it's not a man. It's just
large hair covered things standing there on two legs. And
I'd never even heard a big foot.
Speaker 2: I'd like to welcome Dave to the show. Dave emailed
me with an interesting picture and in my opinion, a
lot of strangeness going on where he's at currently. But
this all started a long time ago for you, if
you don't mind kind of take us through the details
of how bigfoot came into your life.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I appreciate the introduction, isn't it. First of all,
I'm not a researcher or anything like that. I'm just
the person who I like to spend time in the outdoors.
And I grew up in rural East Texas, and when
I was really young, my dad would take us hunting
out in the woods and primarily in the Davy Crockett
National Forest area. And my dad was former military and
no nonsense in the woods. And we were Native Americans,
so we respect everything in the woods, and so we
sort of knew how to behave accordingly from my brothers,
and I did from a young age. And so when
I was eleven, we had moved from the rural part
down to the Beaumont put Arthur area on the coast,
but we would go back and visit our grandparents quite
often because they were still up there. And I'd had
family in that area since eighteen thirty six. Wow, Yeah,
same year Davy Crockett passed through those same parts, my
third great grandfather came into that area. So been in
that area ever since. And while it was in November
nineteen seventy one, I was eleven years old and we
drove up from Beaumont for Arthur area, and we'd say
at my grandparents' house and my dad would get us
up really early every morning and we'd go deer hunting.
Obviously it's a jeer season for white tail. So like
we did every time, we'd drive out to the same spot,
which is just west of Gropton, Texas. Groton is the
county seat of Trinity County, Texas, and to an area
that's now known as Westville. Not maybe a few people
live out there now, and it's obviously named Westville because
it's west of Gropton, and it's an area people referred
to as the Why. It's where there are two eighty
seven splits and goes up toward Crockett, Texas and ninety
four goes down toward Trinity, Texas. And we'd go down
the toward Trinity a bit and then pull off on
this dirt road and drive till the dead ended. We'd
get out there. It was dark as night because the
sun had yet to come up, and my dad we'd
get out of the car be as quiet as we could.
My dad would have a flashlight which he points straight
down to Rowland. He'd lead a younger brother of mine.
It was just about a year or four months younger
to his spot where he would stay and wait for
the sun to come up, and then he'd lead me
to my spot, and then my dad would go off
further west, and then he'd eventually turn north and then
wait for the sun to come up, and he would
sort of move toward us through the woods. And so
while he was sort of actively hunting, moving taking a
few steps looking around, my brother and I were what
they call still we'd still hunt where we're just sitting
there waiting to see if you could drive anything toward us.
It was one morning in particular, like I said, November,
there's those crisp East Texas fall days where it was
probably in upper forties fifty and the air it was
just clear. It felt good, you could, you know, the
birds and squirreled all pretty happy. And so I'm sitting
there on my stand. I'm sitting at the base of
a small oak tree where I have a couple of
lines of sight to the left and to the right.
I'm sitting on my backside with my legs right in
front of me stretched out. Now I'm left handed, so
I have a four to ten single shotgun with a
one round the slug in it, and so that's against
my right shoulder and have the barrel resting down across
my legs. And so gets to that time of day
where you can really start to see things, and you
hear the woods come alive, you can hear the birds,
you hear the small animals moving around, and I start
to hear sounds too behind me and back to my
right in the distance. And at this point, like I said,
it's sort of gray, but the sun's really starting to
come up. So back in that direction is towards the
rising sun, and I'm thinking, what is this I'm hearing?
And I realize it's actually footballs and I could distinctly
hear it because of the leaves underfoot. And We've gone
out there to this place countless times and there's no
one that hunts out there, and so I'm thinking, there
must be someone out here that's hunting, and what the
heck is he doing? Because about the most profane word
I knew in my mind at that age was levenear
was jackass, Because I hear this guy and I'm thinking,
what is this jackass doing? Is you know, I can
hear crunch crunch, crunch, And my little amused thought didn't
last long, because then it crossed my mind in a
flash that this guy was walking toward me from about
my four o'clock So I'm sitting, I'm facing north. This
guy is coming from back toward the southeast, and I
think anybody inexperience enough hunting to not try to be
out in the woods me quiet, I'm not. That's not
someone I would be taught to trust. And the fact
that he's walking toward me is becoming really unnerving, and
I'm starting to say, I think, what should I do?
What should I do? I'm gonna have to let this
person know I'm here, And even if he's somehow moves
his sort of trajectory a little bit, he's going to
be walking somewhat in the direction my dad's coming from,
and I'm fearful that he might see my dad. You know,
some people, I've heard him joke they'll just shoot if
they hear a sound. So all this is racing, racing,
racing to my mind, and I just about decided I'm
going to sort of make a clear my throat that
sort of thing. When the guy gets close enough, and
I'm thinking, well, that make enough soundly shoot at me.
All this is just racing, racing, racing. At that point,
I waste enough time in fear of trying to decide
what to do that this guy had come up right
behind me and suddenly just came to a stop. So
he's about fifteen feet to back right, and I'm sitting,
like I said, on the ground against this in anticipation
of the way he was walking. I had my head
turned as far as I could to the right, and
I'm using my peripheral vision to look at so so
I can see this guy. At that point, I had
not made a sound, and I thought, well, he stopped,
so he must see me. And like I said, I'm
looking back sort of in the direction of the sun,
and I see someone standing there, but it's not a someone.
And I remember I've gone through this in my head
so many times over the year. I remember mentally trying
to puce what I'm looking at into something I knew, no,
a horse or cow, something like that. And it's back
lit by the sun. I thought, this is not either
one of those, and it's not a man. It's large
sort of chocolate coverard hair covered things standing there on
two legs and I had never even heard a big
but never I remember when I was in I was
that was my first year in middle school. I was
sixth grade at this time. When I was in elementary school,
kids would joke about the goat man's going to get you.
That was a term I heard a lot, and even
hearing that, I think that's just a story people make
up to keep young people from going out and parking
on country roads and necking and stuff like that. So
you know, the goat man isn't anything real. It's just
they believe. I so goat man. I was familiar with
the term. But here is something I never heard of,
and it's standing there about fifteen feet away. And the
last lucid thought that I had was why is this
guy breathing so hard? He wasn't walking because he's going.
Then I'm thinking, and then it hit me, He's not
breathing hard from exertion. He smalls me and he knows
I'm there. And like I said, I was looking to
my back right pur pro vision, and I just had
this horrible sinking feeling and the next thing I knew,
I'm looking down at my lap. Oh twenty hindsight, I know,
I painted the fact that I'm sitting down up against
this tree. I'm still upright, so to speak. When I
sort of got gathered my wits or revived from the faint,
I slowly look up and turn again, and I think,
what is this thing going to do to me? And
it's still breathing like that, and I'm thinking, my god,
this thing's gonna kill me or whatever, and it's gonna
be suddenly go. Just all I can describe is a
sort of a disgusted grunt snort like ah. And it
turned and walked away to my back left, sort of
at the same pace, not heard off in that direction.
And I sat there until I couldn't hear the footballs anymore.
But I was just so I know, I am sure
I was in a state of shop because it just
didn't register with anything right that, Like I said, any
known quantity with me. I can say all the times
my dad would come and go, when he'd drop, when
he'd walk away in the morning, and then when he
had slowly come back, he'd always whistle when he got close,
so I know he was getting close. And my dad's
six feet tall, so relative to seeing him from a
sitting position, there on that deerstand so many times I
knew this thing was probably six two six thirty maybe,
so it wasn't overly tall, but it was very bare
well built, and with the sun back lighting it almost
gave it a sort of a red halo tinge around it.
The hair hair tips, that makes sense. Yeah, And I
couldn't really see its face because, like I said, with
the sun behind it, it's in shadow. All I could
see was this very well put together thing, and its
head was sort of comb shape, you know, because I'm
there looking up at it so I can really focus
my with my purpul vision. I was more focused on
the top part of its body. I didn't move my
head around to see what its feet looked like or
anything else. Sometimes, you know, when I go over and
over it, this is in my mind. I thought, if
I were to leaned around to get a look good
look at it, what would have what would it have done?
I'll never know.
Speaker 2: After it walked off and you could no longer hear it,
did you go find your dad or what did you do?
Did you stay at the tree?
Speaker 1: No? I just stayed there. I didn't move a muscle.
I was so I was so petrified that I didn't move, because,
like I said, I couldn't even begin to process what
I had just seen. And so I even looked at
it for several seconds before I know I painted, and
I looked at it for a few more seconds once
I came out of the paint or walked off. So
I have no idea how much time lapsed in between,
but I wouldn't think it would be that much, right.
But in other words, from my position, I think I
got it as good to look at it at at
it as I could have without really leaning around the
tree to try to look directly at it. Oh wow, No,
I didn't. I didn't. Like I said, my dad was
form a military marks and ship badges and stuff like that.
Here's no nonsense in the woods. So I didn't dare
say anything to him, even think I was out of
my mind or whatever. And so it was just one
of those things I let fester in my brain. And
the next year, in nineteen seventy two, we went to
watch a movie called Legend of Boggy Creek, which I
know pretty much everybody's heard of at this point. And
when that movie started going on and I saw the
lay of the land, the woods and the creeks and
stuff like that, how much it looked like where we hunted.
And then that thing, that's when I knew what I
had seen. Boy, that movie scared the hell out of me.
It scared me so bad that I really didn't want
to ever hunt again. I'm not afraid of the woods,
but I just never wanted to be in that position again.
But that movie sort of, in my young mind, explained
a lot to me about what I've seen, and so
that was sort of my introduction to those critters.
Speaker 2: That's quite the introduction, man. I mean, that encounter is
something that I think would really impact anyone who had it,
let alone eleven year old kid, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh exactly. And to me, that's the one thing that well,
there are several things that vallidate me what I saw
is I had no preconceived notion of this, you know,
that type of animal. Right, So the fact that I
know what I know, I saw it looks exactly like
you know, the Patterson Gimlin film or what other people
described as saying. And also and trying to look things
up on YouTube, I was recently trying to find sounds
that I was hearing to see I heard other people
talk about encounters they had. The way they described the
breathing when one walked up it was exactly not sort of,
it was exactly the way this thing reacted to me,
with the heavy breathing in the sort of snort like
you know, I'm done with you? What are you doing
here in my way?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That sound of disgust that you were talking about
is something that I've heard a lot of people mentioned
in their encounters, at least the ones that were that
close to seeing these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a damn human What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I vividly remember that and just it walking away.
Like I said, it didn't. It was not hurried at all.
It left at the same pace that it came. And
again it didn't seem like it was too concerned about
being deadly quiet went through the woods. It just was
doing whatever I was doing that morning.
Speaker 2: Now. Did you hear any stories from that area later
on in life?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, definitely, because my dad I lived in well
Boston and southern California for a number of years, and
after the horrible drought in primarily Texas in twenty eleven,
my son had just graduated and was going to college
and on the East coast. So my dad needed help
with his land and cattle in that area. So I
went back there, and where I was, you hear sounds
there was actually several acres in my dad's property falls
within the Davy Crockett National Forest. That land's been in
my family for years and years, and he used to
pay the US government this very small token amount each
year because of that acreage. But I've heard sounds from there.
But the most vivid encounter I heard of when I
was there one of my dad's well, I considered the
guy he passed away just recently. He was one of
my dad's best friends. Tells his story of one of
his buddies led hunts in the area deer hunts again,
and he had deer stands set up north of Gropton,
up the ninety four corridor that goes to Lufkin, Texas
and between Broken Luck in the the Natures River, and
there's this area called ironically Boggy Slough. And so this
guy had some stands set up in the Boggy Slow
area right where Trinity, sort of Trinity and Angelina County meets.
And again this is like heavily forested area, and the
fact that the river ran through there gave all these
swampy marshy areas. And so according to the story of
my dad's, a friend told it had been related to
him from his buddy. So it's beyond second third hand.
But this guy is very reliable. He was honest. You
tell long story, but he was honest about it. He
said a friend had put this guy out on a
deer stand one morning about the same time that bears
my encounter. It was November, but this was in twenty sixteen.
Is when this happens. And guys out there on the
stand and he's sitting and sitting sitting in the morning
grows long and it's light, and he knows he's going
to be picked up barely soon, and so he's sort
of giving up on the white tail for that morning.
And suddenly a sounder of wild hogs comes out of
the woods, and so he's looking at all these pigs
and he's thinking, what, I'm not going to get a
deer today, I'm shoot the biggest pig here, And so
he picks the biggest one out and shoots it. Pig
over in the middle of the pig falls over this
large bpedal animal walks out of the woods, grabs the
pig that he had shot, picks it up like it
weighs nothing, and slams it into a tree and then
walks off back into the woods with the pig. No way,
Oh that's the only this guy told him. So the
guy like, I said that, put the guy in the stand.
He comes out to the stand, and he figures the
guy would hear him coming up, you know, and get
up and walk out of the deer stand because one
of those little enclosed stand sort of little rectangular type things. Yeah,
if Berndy deer hunters would be telling where you have,
you know, you can sort of look all around you.
And so he doesn't see the guy. He starts to
get worried and he goes to the stand, opens the oysters.
The guy is lying curled up in the fetal position
on the floor. There's his deer stand, and the guy
just kept saying, it's going to kill me, it's going
to kill me, it's going to kill me. And he's
trying to get something on this guy. What happened, what happened?
And he said that the guy explains to what happened,
So he said he the he walked out to a
place where the guy explaining, he said, there's blood on
the ground and then blood up in the tree where
the guy said that the animals snacked the pig against
the tree. So coming from my dad's friend, I have
to believe that's true, because, like I said, he was
a no nonsense guy.
Speaker 2: And so stealing kills like that from hunters is not
unheard of. Uh. There there was an incident not too
far from there, I guess around the well, we'll say,
outside of Jefferson, Texas. And it was a friend of
mine and they had some property and her son went
deer hunting on their property one evening and he shot
a deer and they tracked it and it got too
dark on him and they couldn't find it, and they
didn't want to leave it, but they didn't really have
any choice, so they went back to the house. Next morning,
they get up and she goes with them to try
and find this deer, and they found the blood trail
and they're following the blood trail, and then the blood
trail disappears. It just stops and she could see where
it looked like something walked off through the brush. So
she kind of followed that trail. It wasn't like a
game trail or anything, though, she said, but it was
just broken brush and things like that. And she thought, well,
maybe something happened for whatever reason, you know, I'm not
seeing the blood trail. Maybe the deer walked off this way.
So she follows it, and eventually she finds the deer
and it's just kind of like laying in this little
clearing out in the woods, and all of the ground
around it in about a ten foot radius looked like
it had been cleared out, like the leaves and all
the ground clutter had been pushed back away from the
deer and cleared out away from the deer. And the
deer's like laying in the middle of this circle, and
its body is just twisted up like an old washcloth.
I mean, something has taken it and broken its neck
and just twisted the whole body around. And there weren't
any you know, signs of scavenging or anything like that.
Weirdest thing. She showed me pictures of it. Don't know
that a bigfoot did it, but don't really have any
explanation for it. Never heard of anything like that usually,
you know, if coyotes do it, they'll tear it up
pretty good and kind of scattered around all over the place.
But the whole deer was there, just twisted up.
Speaker 1: Digressing from my guess is that one that guy saw
it was probably hunting those pigs and he just made
it easy for it by shooting one of them. Back
to what you just told me, I'm sure my dad
wouldn't want me sharing this, but we had this area
adjacent to where I was staying. When I was there
helping him. He calls the patch. We drive cattle in
there and then we could load them from in there,
or if you get a sickly one, we put them
in that area. And it's about an acre or more
and it's got a lot of vegetation, completely surrounded by trees.
And this is only about two hundred yards from the
National Forest part of the pasture I was mentioning. So
my dad had bought some calves and one of them
got sort of sickly, So you know, we put them
in the patch because it's it's adjacent to the barn,
and so it's got plenty of vegetation there to eat
and it can come up to the barn where I
had water in the troughs for it. So one morning
I go out there. This was only I guess two
thousand and eight, so a couple of years after that
happened with the hunter. I go out there, and I
didn't I figured the cap would be up near the barn,
because I'd give it some feet in the morning, and
it wasn't up there. I start walking through the patch
and the vegetation pretty high, so I'm looking looking then
like you describe icee, a depressed area in the grass,
and then I see the cap. It was ripped in two.
Its back moan was the only thing that connected the
front end to the back end. And anyone who's ever fished,
if you know you've got a fish, you spice them
straight down the belly and remove all the insides. That's
the way the inside of this cap looked. There was
it was just ripped into. There was a front half
of it, the back half of it, and it's intros
all that. It was just gone cleaned out, and there
was this huge depressed area all around it. Like you described.
It didn't have a bite mark on it.
Speaker 2: Was there any blood around the body.
Speaker 1: No, it was just there wasn't like dogs or coyotes
or anything got it. It was just ripped into Literally.
My dad came out there that morning. I said, you're
you're not going to believe this, and he said, where's
the cat? And I said follow me and he started
walking behind me and when he saw that, he said,
I've never seen anything like that before. He turned around
and walk So that's one I had no idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've heard stories like that many times
where the internal organ seemed to be missing, and it's
almost like it's sliced open with something sharp. Sometimes weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: That's how this was. It was almost like someone just
cut it from one side all the way around to
the other. It's backbone had the front back still connected,
but everything inside was just gone.
Speaker 2: And the strange thing about those things is like I asked,
any blood around the bikey, there's never any blood. And
you would think that if you slice an animal open
then pull its insides out, there's going to be blood everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. Yeah, I agree with you. Oh that was interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, your encounter as a kid was definitely enough to
have an impact on anyone, So I assume this incident
stuck with you throughout life and that's kind of how
we ended up on this show together. Right now. You've
been keeping an eye out for weird stuff, for strange
things that don't make any sense, and at your current
place in New Mexico, you found some interesting things. Has
anything happened in the timeline between Texas and New Mexico
or is this more recent stuff really the stuff that's
been standing out to you?
Speaker 1: Well, I haven't even finished with this stuff in Texas.
Speaker 2: Oh good lord.
Speaker 1: Wow, Now there's one. The reason I shared the one
when I was a kid is because I typed that up,
and typing up helped me remember and even brought things
back to me. But I told you about the two
twenty sixteen incident with that hunter up there. Twenty seventeen,
I was back in that baby crocket National first part
of my dad's pastor, and I hit my dogs with
me and there's a point where the woods get really thick.
There's this old government fencing and my dog suddenly alerted
on something and I looked up and I actually saw one.
I'd say I three to five seconds. It was on
the others in the heavily wooded area, part of the
National Force, and it went left to right. It was
like watching an NFL lineman do the swim move where
they use their arms. It's good, that's what it did.
And I thought it was what am I seeing? And
I jump deer there countless times, and this wasn't a
deer jump. It was a large It was about the
same color as the one I saw when I was
a kid. Like I said, it was only three to
five seconds. What amazed me is how thick that brush
was and how fast it got through it and how
little sound it made. Basically all I saw was from
about waste up and it was gone.
Speaker 2: How big was that one?
Speaker 1: It was taller than the other one. This one, I think.
I don't know why. It sounds silly, but it sort
of has. That reminds me that Chewbacca sort of looked
through it. It seemed like it was about six and
a half feet tall. But it was just so fast
and I just did there done, And unlike when I
was a kid, at this point, I wasn't There was
no fear involved. It was just incredulity as to what
I just witnessed and how fast it went, how it
was just gone.
Speaker 2: Now you say you saw it for about three to
five seconds, no.
Speaker 1: Going, gone left or left to right and sort of
back into.
Speaker 2: The wood, and then it just gott in a thicker
cover where you couldn't see it anymore.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly. And like I said, what amazed me
is how little sound had made aside from all the
brush the vegetation moving. I was saying, I didn't hear
any walking anything. It was just zoom. This happened in
the same timeframe. My dad has other property on the
way up to Lupin that he leases, and there was
a cow that he couldn't find. This is probably just
a week or so after I'd seen that one. So
he couldn't find one of his cows and she was sick,
so he wanted me to go up and look for it.
So I go up to that property. It's only a
few miles north of Groton, and it's heavily wooded. If
you didn't see any and every kind of animal in
this place. And so I'm in it with my dogs,
my dogs from that time, and there's one area that's
sort of a clearing that's sort of pear shape, and
there's a deer stand down at the what would be
the bottom of the pear that looks out over this
clearing and there's a really really thick stand of bamboo
all along the left side of it. So I go
around the base of it. I'm going up and I
had the bamboo to my left, and I had a
red heeler and he was always out free lancing, just
running around, running around, and he'd make contact with me
every a few minutes. Blue heeler and she was pretty
insecure and she always stayed near mean. And I'm walking
the bamboos to my left, and there's a really deep
creek that flows into Piny Creek, which then goes into
the Natures River. There's a really deep creek on the
other side of that war I was walking and I
knew my dog had the red heeler had gone over there,
and next thing you know, he's in front of me,
and I almost trip Ograhim. And I always try to
be as quiet as I possibly can when I'm out there,
because I want to see what some animals we're going
to see him, you know, I get to kick out
of that. My dog's like seeing deer and pigs and
other stuff. And he had my dog can look on
absolute terror on his face, and so I quietly say
said to him, I said, what's wrong, Red, what's up?
What's up? And he just looked at me, and so
I finally I get him out of the way and
I start walking again, and he runs in front of
me again, and I had to stop short. And the
minute I did, I hear football football crunch. It's like
something across that creek on the other side of the
bamboo walked and it had to stop short too, and
I could hear this dead ball sort of slowly cracking
as it put his foot down, and I thought, okay,
did I just hear what I thought? I And for
a second time, I tried to start walking, and my
dog they just wouldn't let me move, And so i'd
walked a few steps and the same thing happened, but
that time I just heard step step, real heavy steps.
I thought, oh man, there's something obviously something over there
that's got my dog's petrified. So I just stand there
a few minutes and listen and listen and listen, and
try to get my dogs through lives. And I finally
get them out of my way, and I think, Okay,
I'm gonna try to make it to the end of
this stand of bamboo. And I'm going to be able
to look across that creek and see what's over there
if I can see through the brush. So I start
walking again, and again my dogs just getting front when
I had to stop and I heard step step, and
it stopped, and I thought, the hell with this. I'm
not anything that's got him that scared. I'm not going
to see it. But it sounded like something. It's walking
on two legs and it's big, and so I just
said to heck with it and went and sort of
tried to look for that cow somewhere else. But my
dogs are just petrified that they would not leave my sigh.
After that, Becau said all that, and less than a
week after that, I was at my dad's house and
he said, did did you hear anybody in town say
that someone saw said they saw a bigfoot on Walter
Dial Road? And that's name for my great grandfather, and
that's exactly where that property is. Walter Dial Road crosses
well stops at ninety four that goes up to Luckin
and then Lloyd James Road is where that property is.
And I said, no, I hadn't heard that. And I said,
but that sound encounter I tried to tell him about that.
He said, oh, it's probably just a big hog his
answer for ever everything. I thought, no, because I've been
on that property a lot of times and my dogs
had actually killed a couple of hogs out there that
they sadly caught, but that's just what dogs do. And
so I thought, between what that hunter saw, what I
saw down, you know, doing the swim move through the
National Force and the place I was just talking about,
that's literally maybe three miles total from there where we
heard that thing walking on the other side of the creek.
All that happened really within the span of a few months.
So interesting coincidences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty high rate of activity for that short
amount of time, especially in a small area like that.
Speaker 1: But the forests have been sort of cut, so it
creates a corridor right through there, and so anything that
wants to stay and cover sort of be to stay
in that narrow swath of forests.
Speaker 2: Now, are there, by chance, any big power lines that
run through their train tracks?
Speaker 1: No, No, there's just well, the like I said, the
ninety four corridor that goes up to Lufkin. Yeah, it's
about the only one. And that's where, like I said,
someone my dad said, someone in town said they saw
a big put right there and that was literally within
days of where I heard that animal on the other
side of the creek, and that's literally right off ninety
four and Walter Dle Road.
Speaker 2: Does that round up your Texas stuff or was there anything.
Speaker 1: Else aside from the whoops and the howls which I
would hear from my place and I heard someone else
has a recording this recently. A lot of times when
I would hear the coyotes go off, within moments, I
would hear a sound that sounded like that the Ohio
Howell superimposed over the coyotes. I actually managed to record
that once with this little cheap device, but it was
just so the recording was so muddy you couldn't make
it out. But I heard that on multiple occasions where
the coyotes would start going, then I hear that, oh,
and I thank god, crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard that a couple of times up there
in the Angelina National Forest.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. They're chicken in the egg thing,
which I don't know if one starts the other or
which one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, which one? There's there's something to it, for sure,
I don't know if it's you know, coyto coyotes chasing
things down and bigfoot taking advantage of it, or if
it's the other way around. But there there's definitely something
going on between those two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some sim Maybe it's not a symbiotic relationship,
but you know, there's one's messing with the other one,
I guess in some degree. But yeah, and I know
that other sound that sort of superimposed over the coyote
isn't a coyote, Yeah, that's for sure, just too robust
and too much volume.
Speaker 2: Did you ever hear any wood knocks in that area?
Speaker 1: Yes, well, only a couple of times, but hoops, I've
heard multiple Yeah, just very almost an ape like quality
to it, really loud, Yeah, from from that same stretch
of us. One morning, I was out of the sun
hadn't come up and actually heard one that was almost
directly west of where I was, And then I heard
another one, so it was almost one was there saying
where are you?
Speaker 2: I'm here, responding back and forth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was that was not a bird, or
a bird wouldn't aance And it was just so like
I said, robust loud ape like.
Speaker 2: New Mexico, not the first place that people think of bigfoot,
but lots of bigfoot stories come out of there.
Speaker 1: As you and I tried to emails. So they were
just I try to find an explanation for everything that
I encounter in nature. And I like being out there.
And I'd only been at the place I am out
for a few days, and we went up it's the
western flank of the sangreg Cisto Mountains, which means blood
of Christ. And they look that way as the sun
is setting, and the north of Tao said about eight
thousand feet and I'm taking my dogs out and we
go up into the mountains and we discover what looks
like old piping that was once used to care maybe
snow melt down from the mountains. And we have this
high desert, very dry, that's to the west of where
I am. And so it just started following an old
road up there that looks like it was once used maintenance.
And now it looks like there's a game trail thorough
bear you know, see bear tracks and deer tracks and
coyote tracks and droppings and stuff like that. And I
have a young dogs now, and the youngest one is
a husky and he's pretty fired up and always running ahead. So,
like I said, one of the first time Blue went
out and we're up in the mountains, there's this is
in the Carson National Course, and there was no one around.
And back to this day, I've never seen a single
person up there. And we go out there up there
almost every day, and this area and the young dog
kept running ahead, and we're at the bottom of this arroyo,
following the remnants of these roads. I finally got frustrated
with him. I had the other dog on the leash
because he weighs ninety pounds and if the husky goes,
the other dog will go and they might wind up
in Colorado chasing something. So I called the dog puppy.
So I actually sort of growl us a fucking slow
down you now again, I'm always trying to be quiet,
and I sort of growled at at him. And two
are left and above us up the creek, were following
up this arroyo. Something. It was a combination of a
scream and a howl that was so ungodly loud I
thought it knocked me off my feet. It was that loud.
And my first thought was everybody in Taos County had
to have earned that. And I can't see it, but
it's I know it's up there, and the husky starts
running back at me, and the dog I have on
the leash starts running up at it, wanting to get
whatever for it is. And I had one of those
the plastic handle leashes that's retractable, and I had to
fight fight to get up to my dog, and this
thing kept screaming at us this whole time. And I
finally got to my dog and I literally had to
pin him to the ground. I had to get on
him so because I was worried he was going to
break the end of that leaf out and go after it,
and is this thing screaming at us? It finally started
going up and up and up and up, and it
went up into the mountain and until the sound effectively baited,
it stopped, but it just screamed for and I was
sitting there thinking, God, I had my phone, I had
a little recorder hang on it, but I was so
busy fighting my dog that came from going after it. That, Uh,
that was about as bizarre as anything I've had happened
in a while, because it it was just so loud
and I tried to describe it to someone. I said,
it's be like the cross of a coyote on steroids
and a siren. That's how it sounded.
Speaker 2: What animal does that? I can't think of any animal
that just would continuously call like that.
Speaker 1: No, that's see my new that's my new thought process.
Instead of saying what is it, I start with what
isn't it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: That wasn't a bear, it wasn't a deer, it wasn't
an elk. I start going backwards. The only rational conclusion
I can reach is again I mentioned earlier about trying
to look up sounds on YouTube. That's that's why I
was doing that, to try to match some animal or
whatever with what we heard and the closest and there
were a couple of alleged sasquatch things. One was in
West Virginia and then another recording I heard from ELK
Texas Sam Houston National Force and very similar to this,
very similar.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask, is that the incident that
caused you to put a game camera out there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly, Yeah, Yeah, that's when I put a game
camera up in that area. And less than a week
later is when I got that weird picture that I
sent to you that you you worked with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but now there's a lot of weird stuff going
on with that game camera though in that location.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like I said, got the weird picture that
sure looked as I joked, it looked like the late
Dan Haggerty is Grizzly Adams like his chin. Yeah, you know,
until you were able to manipulate what was there. But
then for the bears, I got several pictures of bears
and occasionally they would move the camera around the tree
a little bit. I just assumed it was then. But
as I've indicated to you, about five days within a
week of that weird picture appearing, I went up there
and the camera was just gone. And so I thought
either the bears took it off or someone happened up
here and stole it, and I know it was gone.
I looked up and down that arroyo, and I went
there multiple times since, and even when I was going
to write up basically the information I shared with you
to say the camera was so and so high on
the tree. I stood right in front of the tree
that I hadn't mounted on to use my mind's eye
so I could say Okay, this is about five and
a half feet right here, and so I'm standing right
in front of the tree and for me to show
up there again in late December, two months after it
was gone, and my dogs are going up to this
point where I had it, and I go up there
and the camera was right there at the basically the
strap that held it on the tree is gone, but
it was there.
Speaker 2: The same tree it was mounted on.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, And I'm thinking this can't be happening because
I've been up here multiple times in that time. I
stood right in front of the tree, I would have
been I would have literally stepped on it with my
right foot. And it was gone for two months, so
I could figure out. I've tried to rationalize what happened
in my mind, and all I could think is, you
know I won those things. I thought maybe some kids
stole it and his mom said, where did you get this?
And you go put it back where you found it.
You know. I'm just going through what I think are
logical reasons for it being gone that long, and I
couldn't think come up with any because I thought if
someone told me to do that, you know, most kids,
if they had they just go and pick somewhere or
whatever and say, yeah, I did it, But it was
exactly on the tree, on the same side of the
tree and everything. It was just lying there, right at
the base of the tree. And I'd been up there
a number of times, and it wasn't at the base
of that tree.
Speaker 2: Any weird photos that give you any kind of clues
or anything. No.
Speaker 1: That was the other equally bizarre thing, because I hadn't
The pictures that I sent you were on that SD
card that was in there, so I didn't want to
delete them yet. So there were no new pictures on
this thing from the time that I had last checked
it until the day had reappeared. And that, to me
de buys logic because I think even even if it
was lying there the entire time, something would have walked
close enough to or even me picking it up or whatever.
And so all I could think was maybe I hadn't
turned it on all the way because it was It's
one of these that's got one click to the left
to review the pictures on there, and then another turn
it on fully. But I always sit there and wait
and look. It's just one of those things that I
make myself do to until I see a little countdown
time starting before I close it walk away. So that
the fact that it was gone that long and the
fact that there were no pictures on it, it just
devise logic in my mind.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Well, the photo that you sent me,
the kind of the situation around it was kind of
strange too, wasn't Wasn't the camera open whenever you got
to it?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah, something that opened the camera. Yeah,
as I put it out. You know, I went to
check it the morning of the twenty third and I
put a new SD card in it, closed it, and
when I came back the morning of the twenty fourth,
there are twenty two images on it. Image twenty two.
Is that weird? When I send you and the camera
was wide open, it something to open it and swung
it up where the lins and the motion sensor portion
are obviously facing toward the tree. So it's stopped picking
up any more images after whatever that was that's standing
there with its body right in the camera. You know,
that's another one that's weird that you know, and I
could see a bear or one fellow thinks that's a
mountain lion that's got its space in it. You know,
you could see a bear with its paws up, or
a mountain line with its pause up somehow raking it
the camera just enough to hit that flip on the
side that the little hinge were caused it to open.
But yeah, something opened.
Speaker 2: It and then move the camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something that opened it on one occasion, And like
I said, it had been sort of swung around the
tree a little a few times, and coincident with that,
I'd have you bear images on there, so I think
that's a bear. But the time it was open, all
I can assume is that image that I sent you
is what opened it, and then the other time it
was just gone. That's another thing I was remissing saying.
The day that I found the camera at the base
of the tree and I'm looking around, looking around, and
I get my camera. We start walking down the royal
and it's so steep to get up out of there.
I had to wait until I go down probably about
fifty sixty yards of this sort of semi game trail
that goes up and I'm climbing up the trail my
huskies ahead. I have the other dog in the leash.
I'm holding the camera, but I'm about ten yards from
the top. I hear from the mountaintop above us, I
hear whack one hard hit, so like someone hit a
tree with a baseball. And at that point I was
so out of my mind thinking where's this thing? Ben
that I turned around and I held the camera, gave
a sort of a goofy nod and way to whatever
sound it was that I heard up there, and I
got the hell out of there. That was just a
weird coincidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to say the least, To say the very least,
it's a weird coincidence.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, one of many.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's possible for you know, a bear. You know
you've gotten pictures of bear. You know there's bear in
the area. They will mess with game cameras. I mean, yeah,
bear could have gotten the camera off of the tree,
but it's not going to carry it off and then
bring it back two months later and set it at
the base of the tree.
Speaker 1: Right. That's why that's in my mind going to forever
remain a mystery. If I could there were no images
on there, trust me, I was insanely excited a whole
run down back here, thinking that who knows where there's
thing's been for two months and all that's going to
be on there, and then to have absolutely nothing on there,
I thought, how could that possibly? Just like that devised comprehension.
Speaker 2: Most of those cameras, you know, they're triggered by motion.
They have a sensor on it, just like the little
sensors you see in the corner on the inside of buildings,
you know, the motion detectors, And whenever there's a fluctuation
in temperature, it triggers the camera. That's how the motion
sensor works on most of them. So somehow this camera
got removed from the tree, forcefully, carried off somewhere for
two months, brought back, set down at the base of
the tree. No photos.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and trust me, and once I realized there were none,
the first thing I did was set it up in
here where I'm sitting right now and sort of got
back and waved my hand in front of a few
times to make sure it was working. And sure enough,
it worked fine. And I thought that just it makes
no sense to me, Like I said, my only logical
explanations that someone took it and maybe you know, and
then they messed with it and did stuff and then
deleted their stuff or whatever, maybe didn't take any pictures all,
and then they felt remorse and put it back, but
there were no no new pictures on it, so bizarre. Well,
you got that other one I sent either, Really it
was taken an instant before the initial that image, so whatever,
that's the same animal because it's literally the same, like
I said, within microseconds. I guess that's when that one
was snapped. So I don't know if that might provide
any insights in this madness, but it's weird stuff.
Speaker 2: How do you put the camera back?
Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I just not that. It's not that
I'm unnerved or anything, but I just figured, you know,
if someone stole it, I didn't want to bring it
up there again and have them take it again sort of.
But I probably should at this point because I bought another.
I bought another one to replace that one, and I
put it somewhere else, so I should probably since I
have too, just like you said, I should just bring
it back up there. And in theories, even though we
had some warmer days recently, the bears in theory are hibernating. Oh,
they won't be messing with it.
Speaker 2: You know. They have those little uh like Apple Airtime
things where you can GPS track things. Maybe you should
stick one of those inside the case or something in
case it walks off again.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. I don't know. Like I said, it
doesn't matter in my mid sixties now, I can live
one hundred more years and I'd never figure out how
that transpired.
Speaker 2: Hey, me and you both, but you know, keep me
updated if you get any more crazy pictures or anything
else happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm look forward to seeing if you can decipher
whatever that is that is on that one that was
taken an instant before the other bazaarre. You know, we
can find who's guilty of opening the game camera.
Speaker 2: It's been my experience in this field though you never
get those answers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like I said, I don't research this stuff,
but it sure makes one look forward to going out
and getting up there because you never know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: And if you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or something
else you can't explain, and you'd like to share your story,
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