Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
Today mark day number eight of the Gallaine Maxwell trial,
and we saw several witnesses take the stand. Now today
there were no accusers who took the stand, basically just
foundational testimony from employees of Epstein, one who was a
part time housekeeper, and then the other David Rogers, who
was Epstein's original pilot. He also gave testimony. And we
also heard from Carolyn, the accuser who we heard from
yesterday from her boyfriend Sean. So that's how it lined
up this morning inside of the courtroom. Another thing that
came out of the courtroom that shocked some people, not us, however,
but some folks was the timeline, meaning that Jeffrey Epstein
and Glaine Maxwell knew each other for a lot longer
than the official timeline originally stated. And when I say
the official timeline, I don't mean the timeline that you
know we've dug into. I'm talking about what the unsullied
talk about. You know, all of the blue check marks,
all of the so called journalists who have just shown
up and all of a sudden think they have a
full grip on this case. To them, they were all shocked,
I mean shocked that Epstein and Maxwell knew each other
longer than the official narrative has it. But in reality,
when you look at this in the big picture, and
you look at all of the players on the stage,
and you look at all of the different timelines, it's
rather obvious that Maxwell and Epstein knew each other previously
to them hooking up in New York for their oh,
I don't know, three and a half four decade run
of you know, human trafficking for Jeffrey Epstein for sure,
and allegedly for Glenn Maxwell. But the whole entire premise
of Epstein and Maxwell meeting just because Maxwell needed a
rich man after her father died has always been ridiculous.
All you have to do is listen to the survivors
themselves and they'll tell you. But I guess that's a
little too much for the legacy media to do. They're
way too busy, right, way too busy with their Steve
Bannon talk or talk about AOC. I mean, really, who
cares about any of that nonsense. You would think that
this would be wall to wall this case, but it's not,
and people will conflate that comment, right and say, oh,
well it is being covered. Hey, look it's being covered
in my local newspaper. All right, Well, my question is this,
why is it not being given the same kind of
tread that say, Gabby Patito's case did, or say, for
another example of a trial, what about Rittenhouse. Now I'm
not saying that it should be broadcast live from the courtroom.
We know that can happen due to federal regulations. But
where are the panels on Rachel Maddow? Where are Sean
Hannity and the rest of them bringing in all of
specialists and all of the experts on the case. Where's
a panel of all of the survivors being brought in
to talk about what occurred here? But you have every Tom, Dick,
Harry and John who has an opinion about something like
the Writtenhouse child getting all kinds of spin, getting all
kinds of air time. And you know why right, because
it can be used to move the political needle. They
want us focused on hating each other. They don't want
us focused on things like this where we all look
at each other and say, holy shit, both sides are
in on it, both sides are corrupt. They'd much rather
have us fighting with each other at each other's throats
and pumping out all sorts of rage porn, and it's
not even disputable. You know, there'll be some journalists or
people who consider themselvesselves journalists who are offended by those
kinds of statements, But it's the truth. Where's all the
people camped out, where's all of the gigantic, gigantic push
by these big networks, And it goes for all of them, right,
not just one or the other, all of them. And
what it really comes down to is they don't want
to embarrass their friends. And it's unfortunate, It's really unfortunate.
You can just take a look at the different figures
in the media throughout the history of Jeffrey Epstein that
we're hobnobbing with them, from George Stepanopolis to Katie Kirk
to Mike Wallace. It's just you know, a who's who,
Charlie Rose, and how many that we don't know about.
We know that the Cuomos were connected via one of
the books. So again, look, all of these people, the
so called elite, they run cover for each other. And
when this whole thing first broke, Nancy Pelosi's daughter came
out and said well, some of our faves are going
to be caught up in this. And for me, I
don't look at any politician as my fave. I'm not
into hero worshiping, especially when we're talking about grifters and
psychos like the people running the world. So there'll be
no hero worshiping for me. And all of these people
were sent to do a job, and I feel like
all of them have failed completely and miserably. And it's
not just now, it's throughout years. You have to think
think about how many presidencies we have had that Jeffrey
Epstein has been running around and active him and Galay
Maxwell all away from Clinton right all the way through.
Nobody stopped them, Nobody did a thing. In fact, he
was helped along his merry way. And it's disgusting, honestly.
It's really one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice
I have ever seen ever in my life. And you
know for a fact that if this was politicians' children
who were being abused in this gigantic ring, that they
certainly would have had a few more conferences and probably
would have had a few more meetings up there on
Capitol Hill about what occurred. But if it's the Franklin
situation or these girls. Eh, we'll get to it, you know,
someday when the public pressure is enough to push us
in that direction. So the legacy media has done nothing
but cover the whole entire time as well. Now, don't
get me wrong when I say the legacy media, I
don't mean the whole media. There's a lot of good
journalists who have done a lot of good work. Here,
I'm talking about the major players in news, the people
who are making the decisions. Those are the people that
are scum, the absolute scum. And all you have to
do is take a look at how ABC quashed the
story about Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts so they didn't
lose their access to Prince Andrew. And how many stories
like that occur that we don't know about that there
isn't a whistleblower telling us about. You have to think
a bunch, right, So that was the only time it's
ever happened. So that's why it's laughable to me when
these journalists, who frankly I have never even heard of before,
all of a sudden position themselves as experts in the
Jeffrey Epstein case, Meanwhile, they can't even keep the basic
timeline down right, the real timeline. So anyway, with that said,
let's jump into some of the proceedings today and let's
take a look at what went on in the courtroom.
All right, So the proceedings got off to a bit
of a slow start this morning due to one of
the jurors having an issue getting there. Now, for those
of you who are familiar with New York, you know
that there's some issues with the subways. I've been caught
up many times in subway nightmares, either coming down from
Westchester on the Metro North or heading back up to
Westchester via the subway. And I can't tell you how
many times I have been stuck and caught in, you know,
an issue with the subway, the car, whatever it may be.
So I feel for this jur no doubt about it.
There's nothing worse when you are, you know, using public
transportation and you're stuck right, nothing you can do about it.
So it took about forty five minutes for the jury
to get there, and once the jur got there, they
got underway. The first witness in the box was a
lady named Janine gil Vales, and she worked for mar
A Lago where Virginia Roberts was working or I was
at when she met Maxwell prosecution, they were asking her
how long she had worked at the property, and she
says that she's been there for fifteen years. Now. The
main reason that they were calling her up there is
they had a redacted exhibit that they wanted to show
her and it had to do with the hiring of
Virginia Roberts dad Sky Roberts at mar A Lago in
two thousand. Now, what they're trying to do is continue
to build that foundation we've been talking about, right, all right,
So we said that Robert's dad worked here. Well, now
here's the documentation to prove it, and here is an
employee from the company who can tell you that this
is actual paperwork confirming that he did work here. So
it was very short for the prosecution basically just to
set that up and to add that into evidence to
continue to build that foundation. So they turned him over
to Bobby Sternham Sternheim, who was handling the cross for
this section of it. They asked some questions regarding the
hiring of Sky Roberts and if she knew, meaning the witness,
if she knew personally of the hiring. She says that
she did not have any personal knowledge of that hiring.
And what I'm guessing the defense is doing here is
to try and show the jury that while that paperwork
is in, it could have been from anybody, again, trying to,
you know, sow some seeds of doubt. Now, after this
line of questioning, they're done with the witness as well,
So very short, right, and the next person that they
bring up is Sean. Now, Sean we heard about yesterday
when Carol was giving her testimony. She was discussing Shawn
had being her boyfriend, etc. Etc. So today Shawn is
on the stand and he did a pretty good job,
in my opinion, of corroborating Carolyn's story. When you look
back at what we heard from Carolyn yesterday, gut wrenching account, right,
I mean, how can you not feel for somebody went
through abuse themselves from their own family, then the abuse
of Epstein, drug addiction, the whole gamut, right, And that's
the whole A lot of these girls fall into, not
just girls, men too. Anybody who comes from this kind
of lifestyle where they're abused and the abuse is continuous.
This is the sort of tale that a lot of
them tell unfortunately, and these people aren't to be just
disregarded thrown into the trash. These are human beings, right
and just because someone has a drug problem or had
a drug problem doesn't make them a bad person. So
prosecution starts by asking some questions about who Sean is,
such as what his age is and what he did
for work, you know, setting up the profile. He says
that he's thirty eight years old and that he is
a salesman. He also tells the court that he has
attended a little bit of college. Then the questions turned
to Carolyn, who gave her testimony yesterday, and the questions
range from how old she was when they dated. He
says that she was fourteen and he was seventeen, And
they also asked other questions about how Carolyn met Jeffrey Epstein.
To this, he said that she met Jeffrey Epstein through
Virginia Roberts. And again it makes me question, with as
much as Virginia's name is being brought up, you would
think that they would have her testify here. You would
think that they would bring her in to tell her story.
Why haven't they Why isn't Maria Farmer brought in as
a witness or insert any of these girls that got
caught up in Epstein's abuse, Why aren't they being brought in.
I know, I sound like a broken record at this point,
but you would think that, you know, we would be
seeing some serious testimony by now, but for some reason,
we have not seen that yet. And again, look, I'm
I'm not some a trial specialist. This isn't something that
I do in my free time follow trials like this
and what goes on in courtrooms, So you know, this
kind of thing where it might seem completely weird to me.
Maybe prosecution has something up their sleeve that I just
can't see. But I just don't have confidence in the
federal government at this point to you know, really see
it all the way through. So I would think that
you would want somebody like Virginia Roberts to come and
give her testimony. Considering she is the most high profile
of the Epstein survivors as far as being in the
media and stuff, I would think that her testimony would
go a long way here. The prosecution then starts to
ask Sean what the differences are between the part of
town he was from West Palm Beach and where Jeffrey
Epstein was from Palm Beach. Now it might as well
be the Moon and Earth. Okay, when you're talking about
the discrepancy and wealth besides the you know, between these
two places, it is massive, massive, And people like Sean,
people like Carolyn, people like Jane, they come from quote
unquote the other side of the tracks, right, They don't
have the opportunities. They don't have family members showering them
with money. Hell, they don't even have family members giving
them love. So when they talk about the other side
of the tracks and you talk about West Palm Beach
and Palm Beach, that's what you're talking about. And Shawn
answers that, you know, he says, like anyone, like anyone would,
it was about money. But of course he is cut
off by Maxwell's lawyer, and Judge Nathan sustains the objection.
He's not wrong though, it's the truth. Literally the other
side of the tracks. Prosecution is looking to establish more
of a pattern in the mo of Epstein and Maxwell here, right.
They want to show you that Maxwell and Epstein went
after the most vulnerable people, the poorest amongst us, the
least likely to report them to the authorities. The prosecution
goes on to ask Sean how often he visited Palm Beach,
and Sean says to the court that he wasn't even
able to afford things at the gas station in Palm Beach,
so he didn't go there very often. Now, this line,
this questioning, it touches on many different things, such as
how the sessions were set up. And Sean tells the
court that a lady with a foreign accent and Sarah
would call his phone. Now, obviously Sarah is Sarah Kellen Vickers,
and it makes us wonder why in the hell is
Sarah Kellen Vickers not indicted yet? Is there a sealed
indictment we don't know about. Is the government gonna bring
her out as a witness here against Maxwell AT's who
knows right? But how in the world is she not
at this trial under oath at the very least, she
has been able to slide through all of this. Ever
since being named in the non prosecution agreement down in Florida,
she has been able to avoid all of this. And
it is unimaginable to me. You look at R. Kelly
and all of his assistants caught up you look at
Keith Rainiery all his assistants caught up. But here in
this case, these people, they're gonna slide free, the unindicted
co conspirators. I mean, it's just crazy. It's honestly crazy
to me. And the fact that the government does and
have them lined up one after the other here it
just shows you that they're not willing to go all
the way, at least it seems that way. Seawan was
also asked about the timeframe of the stays at Epstein's,
and he said that they were usually well, that they
were there when he was there for an hour or
an hour and five minutes or so. When asked if
he went to Epstein's with anyone else, he responded that
he did with Amanda and Melissa Laslow, And when he
was asked the age of these girls, he responded that
Amanda was fifteen and Melissa was sixteen at the time,
and according to his testimony, when Melissa left Epstein's house
after their journey, she had one hundred dollar bills. Now
this once again hammers home the fact that Epstein was
paying minors for massages and Maxwell was there for every
step of the way. It looks to me that the
prosecution is having a better day to day. It looks
to me as if the prosecution is doing a better
job hammering home their points. Now, before Sean is turned
over to Pagliuca for a cross, he is asked by
prosecution about his past criminal record, once again as a
preemptive strike, right to beat prosecut to beat the defense
to the punch here and when they asked him what
he got popped for, he responds that he was nailed
for possession of meth and being a felon in possession
of a firearm. Again, these people who have lived these
kinds of lives inevitably end up having it rough, end
up with a drug addiction. Drug addiction leads to other crimes,
other felonies, and before you know it, you have a
rap sheet and you're looked at as a felon. So again,
people like Carolyn, people like Jane, these are the people
that Epstein's of the world prey upon. And it's not
even debatable. Now. The high priced Harvard squad takes over
the cross and they begin to set the table how
they see it. They ask him about his trip to
Epstein's in two thousand and two, and then they slyly
throw in that it was Sarah who called him once again,
trying to put some insulation between their client and the truth.
And you notice that throughout this trial they've been throwing
out these names, Sarah Kellen Vickers. They've thrown out you know, Clinton,
They've thrown out Trump's name, you know, multiple multiple high
profile people trying to get the spotlight off of their client,
basically telling the jury and the court, hey, well what
about these people? And I agree that those people should
be looked at as well. I don't think that their
tactic here is going to work. I think that the
jury is going to be able to discern what's going
on here, and I think that the jury will be
able to see through this tactic. It must be said
once again, however, that Sarah Kellen Vickers should be under
the microscope here, and that the non prosecution agreement that
the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals to client to squash
once again is rearing its ugly head and gumming things up. Now,
if they would have gotten rid of that non profit
prosecution agreement, things would be a lot different in not
only this Maxwell trial, but in this whole entire thing overall.
With that nonprofit prosecution agreement. It really provides the co
conspirators who are named in it, and those who are
not named, by the way, a lot of protection. Pagliuca
continues to pepper him with questions about various things such
as when he met the when he met with the government,
and when he had this meeting, how he had said
that the accent was French. Well, he says that he
said that it was foreign, not French. So after this exchange,
Pagliuca is finished with Sean and we get ready for
the next witness to take the stand. Who is Nicole
Hess And she is a former employee at Epstein's pom
Beach House on Elbrio Way in two thousand and three
is when she was employed there. Now this is a
pretty short one as well, so prosecution asked her basic
questions such as what her job duties entailed, what her
responsibilities were, to which she responds that she was tasked
with taking care of the home and then when asked
who hired her, she says it was Glenn Maxwell. Was
also tasked with, you know, writing down messages, et cetera,
et cetera, if phone calls came in. What this does
is once again, it continues to build the case that
Maxwell was not a victim here but in fact an
able and willing part of all of this. She was
also shown, meaning Nicole, She was also shown some sealed
evidence about a phone call made by Carolyn to Epstein,
and when shown this evidence, she said that that it
was a message that she took and what it does
is again corroborates Carolyn's earlier testimony. So I thought that
that was a pretty uh interesting slide in there by
the prosecution just a little quick one, right to continue
to try and build those foundational blocks. And finally today
on the stand, after they were done with Nicole Hess
it's David Rodgers. Now I have an episode about David Roba,
and he was Epstein's main pilot. He was the one
who hired Larry Vassoski, right, and both of these guys
have their connections to Columbus. We also know who has
connections to Columbus, the crypt keeper himself, Les Wexner. So
prosecution they asked mister Rogers questions such as where the
flights were going, where they were arriving, and he goes
on to tell the court about Epstein's planes and how
they started off in a golf stream and then they
had a Cessna before moving up to the seven twenty seven,
the plane where you know the horribleness took place, the
Flying House of Horas. When asked about privacy issues on
the golf stream, he said that there was a door
that was always closed, So when he was on the
golf stream, the door was always closed. Right, He wasn't
going back, There wasn't hanging out with Epstein, none of
that jazz, according to his testimony. Prosecution also asked about
the log books and if he has a pilot kept one,
and he responded that he did. They offer up this
log book and they offer it as sealed. I know
you guys are shocked about that. And according to reports
from the courtroom, an entire column of this log book
was blacked out. Why in the hell would this be
blacked out? We don't have a right to see who
is on these planes at this point, what are we
going to embarrass them? I mean, really, if you're flying
around with Jeffrey Epstein, I think that should be public knowledge.
The questioning moves along and he has asked about some
of the names of passengers and how he found out
who was aboard his plane. He says that he didn't
always know who was aboard his plane, and he tells
the court that he wouldn't always, you know, have a
full accounting. Now, look, I'm not an aviation guy, but
isn't that a little weird, Like, especially if people are
being transported across state lines for the purposes of being trafficked,
isn't that what the Man Act was created for? I mean,
the pilots here, Vasaski and Rogers, both I have been
not a fan of. From Jump Street. Tell me, you
guys have been ferrying around Epstein and all of these
young girls for all of these years, and you saw nothing. Huh,
you knew nothing. Huh. It just is one step too
far for me to go. I just can't believe that.
It is ludicrous, honestly. And then we heard, you know,
Larry Vassoski describing a fourteen year old talking about how
she you know, her breasts and how she's an adult.
So really, these guys are absolute knuckleheads first of all.
Second of all, anyone who's working for Epstein all of
this time, especially after the first arrest, should have their
heads examined. So right around this time when they were
talking about the names of passengers, and you know the logs,
Nathan calls lunch. So after the lunch break they come
back and uh prosecution refers to a sealed exhibit and
asks Rogers about a name that it contains. He has
asked not to say the name in open court, but
to confirm if that if that passenger was ever on
his plane. He says that they were. When asked about
this flight or this flight or that, he responds that
this one from Palm Beach, this one was from Palm
Beach to New Jersey. He says that Jane was on
that flight according to reports. No other context was given
here and nobody else who was present on the flight
was discussed. Then prosecution goes on to ask him about
a specific flight from Van Nuys to Santa Fe and
that was flight eight one eight. Now, when I went
to Santa Fe to talk to people who were hip
to Epps's BS, one of those people was an airport
employee who had seen the young girls with their own eyes,
had seen these gaggles of girls and the transportation of
them from the airport, et cetera, et cetera. They said
that it was an open secret, and the whole city
of Xanta fe knew. In fact, the lady who checked
me into my hotel room said as much. You know,
when you go to a hotel room and you're talking
to the front desk person about what you're doing in
the city, blah blah blah, bah blah. It came up
while I was there. I started talking about Epstein and
she was like, oh, yeah, that's one of those open
secret type things. I mean, wow. And then you have
the Attorney General in New Mexico who sat on their
hands the whole entire time, and it's just one gigantic
shit show. Unfortunately, when it comes to Zoro Ranch, when
Rogers is asked about Virginia Roberts and how many times
that she was on his plane, he replied with a
staggering number of thirty two times. Once again, how is
it that Virginia keeps being brought up but she is
not being called on to give testimony. When asked if
there was one other person on the flight at the
time with virgin Virginia Roberts, Rogers affirms this. Other flights
are discussed Europe, North Africa, etc. And on these trips,
according to Rogers, Maxwell was present during his questioning. He
was also asked about Maxwell and Epstein and the romantic involvement,
to which he responded that they were involved at first,
but not later on. Look, I have my doubts that
they were ever really romantically involved. Okay, I think it
was a cover from Jump Street. I think that Glen
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, they're not capable of being in
a relationship like you or I would be able to
be in. These people are different and there's just no
way in my opinion, that they were ever romantically inclined.
That she might have a crush on him, maybe Epstein
not with her. There were a means to an end.
Rogers also says that Maxwell was Epstein's number two in general.
He wasn't referring to the human trafficking crimes, but it's
very obvious what the government was angling for here getting
him to, you know, him admitting that he was the
number two of Glan Mack, that Glean Maxwell was Epstein's
number two in general. It really shows you, right, if
you're that much of his confidant, that you're in charge
of his household, you're in charge of all of this stuff.
It would lead people to believe that you're also involved
here when other people are pointing that out, when other
people are putting you at the scene of the crime
and these girls are also saying that you abuse them.
Prosecution finishes up after this with Rogers, and now it's
time for mister Harvard Christian Everdell to take over and
cross examine the witness. Uh. Just like with Vasaski, they
asked him about the cockpit door and if it was
always closed. He says that it was not always closed,
meaning on the bigger plane. The questioning stays in the
zip code as Everdell asks about any sort of refuse
that might have been found in the cabin after Epstein
got off the plane, such as condoms or an unaccounted
for dildo or something like that. Once again, the defense
is trying to make it seem like Rogers or Vasaski
didn't see anything. Oh, I have my doubts about that, honestly,
that it couldn't have happened. Right, since those guys didn't
see it, then how did any of this stuff happen?
So what about when those doors were closed? What what
about when Vasaski or Rogers were flying the plane? You know,
across the country. Nothing was going on in the uh
in the cabin, they don't know where or the other.
Before they go to another break, they touched on the
topic of the ownership of Jeffrey Epstein's planes and how
they are registered. Now, according to Rogers, it's common for
these planes to be registered, you know, one at a time, separately,
so they aren't, you know, for liability purposes. And I
don't really even understand, honestly, what all of that was about.
That whole entire exchange a little silly if you're asking me,
I'm guessing that what they were trying to establish was
this is just a normalized process for rich people who
own planes, that they register them separately as their own
entity for liability purposes. But you know, I'm lucky I
can afford a car, never mind a plane. After the break,
the question in the questioning picks back up with Everdell
asking questions about Jane and of Rogers knows her another
setup for the scummy tactics they've been using the whole time.
By the way, because Everdell states that Jane has the
same real name as one of Epstein's assistants. Nice little
back door docksing they have going on here, huh, and
they just continue to do it over and over again.
They don't get admonished, nothing happens to them. Brilliant Everdell
then moves on to discussing some of the other big
names who were close to Epstein and on some of
these flights, such as Eva Dubin, a former model and
an ex of Jeffrey Epstein, who remained close to even
after marrying her husband hedge fund hedge fund manager Glenn Dubin.
And they were so close, in fact, that Jeffrey Epstein
was the godson to her daughter and they called him
Uncle Jeffy. That's a whole different ball of yarn to untangle,
and I obviously have an episode about that as well.
I'll upload that later. He also brings up Les Wexner
and the trips to Ohio, discussing those trips to Ohio.
I mean, are they really trying to use Wexner and
the Dubans as character witnesses for Glenn Maxwell here? I mean, really,
you're talking about Glen Dubin and Less Wexner, right. Both
of these men are credibly accused by Virginia Roberts of
sexually assaulting her. I mean, what's next, They're going to
call in the Green River Killer as a character witness,
so before the uh, before they even get to all
of that, you know, with the Glenn Duben stuff, I mean,
this is a guy that was very, very close to
Jeffrey Epstein. We've heard about the fifteen year old in
Glen Dubin's kitchen crying their eyes out. So there's a
whole sordid story and a whole tale to be told
about Glenn Dubin. There's no doubt about that. And I'll
definitely uploads some more episodes offering some more context on
Glenn Dubin. Now, right before the proceedings wrap up, Rogers
is asked if he ever saw Annie Farmer on his plane.
He says that he did not. Now, Annie is going
to give some testimony here as well, and I think
that it's going to be pretty powerful testimony. The situation
with Annie and what she went through, gut wrenching stuff, folks,
just like all of this stuff and all of the
testimony from these survivors, and I don't anticipate it getting
any easier when Annie gets onto the stand. The story
she's going to tell, it's a gut wrenching one, and
it's sad. There's really no other words to describe the
whole entire ordeal, right, It's just super sad, all of it,
the pain, the suffering, and the years of unaccountability not
only by the people who were involved here, but by
the people who were supposed to protect these girls. Now
four decades later, the battle for justice continues, and hopefully
things spin the right way, hopefully Glenn Maxwell gets convicted here.
But we have a few more days at the very
least to see what's going on, to see what pops up,
and whenever the prosecution decides to rest their case, which
we hear might be tomorrow, then of course the defense
will get a chance to you know, go through things themselves,
so we'll see where everything lands. Will continue to be
here at least two times a day covering what's going on,
and we'll continue to swim through the muck together, folks,
as we search for some clarity. If you'd like to
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