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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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Today mark day number eight of the Gallaine Maxwell trial,

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and we saw several witnesses take the stand. Now today

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there were no accusers who took the stand, basically just

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foundational testimony from employees of Epstein, one who was a

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part time housekeeper, and then the other David Rogers, who

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was Epstein's original pilot. He also gave testimony. And we

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also heard from Carolyn, the accuser who we heard from

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yesterday from her boyfriend Sean. So that's how it lined

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up this morning inside of the courtroom. Another thing that

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came out of the courtroom that shocked some people, not us, however,

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but some folks was the timeline, meaning that Jeffrey Epstein

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and Glaine Maxwell knew each other for a lot longer

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than the official timeline originally stated. And when I say

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the official timeline, I don't mean the timeline that you

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know we've dug into. I'm talking about what the unsullied

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talk about. You know, all of the blue check marks,

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all of the so called journalists who have just shown

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up and all of a sudden think they have a

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full grip on this case. To them, they were all shocked,

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I mean shocked that Epstein and Maxwell knew each other

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longer than the official narrative has it. But in reality,

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when you look at this in the big picture, and

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you look at all of the players on the stage,

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and you look at all of the different timelines, it's

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rather obvious that Maxwell and Epstein knew each other previously

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to them hooking up in New York for their oh,

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I don't know, three and a half four decade run

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of you know, human trafficking for Jeffrey Epstein for sure,

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and allegedly for Glenn Maxwell. But the whole entire premise

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of Epstein and Maxwell meeting just because Maxwell needed a

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rich man after her father died has always been ridiculous.

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All you have to do is listen to the survivors

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themselves and they'll tell you. But I guess that's a

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little too much for the legacy media to do. They're

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way too busy, right, way too busy with their Steve

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Bannon talk or talk about AOC. I mean, really, who

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cares about any of that nonsense. You would think that

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this would be wall to wall this case, but it's not,

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and people will conflate that comment, right and say, oh,

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well it is being covered. Hey, look it's being covered

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in my local newspaper. All right, Well, my question is this,

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why is it not being given the same kind of

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tread that say, Gabby Patito's case did, or say, for

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another example of a trial, what about Rittenhouse. Now I'm

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not saying that it should be broadcast live from the courtroom.

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We know that can happen due to federal regulations. But

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where are the panels on Rachel Maddow? Where are Sean

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Hannity and the rest of them bringing in all of

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specialists and all of the experts on the case. Where's

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a panel of all of the survivors being brought in

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to talk about what occurred here? But you have every Tom, Dick,

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Harry and John who has an opinion about something like

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the Writtenhouse child getting all kinds of spin, getting all

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kinds of air time. And you know why right, because

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it can be used to move the political needle. They

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want us focused on hating each other. They don't want

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us focused on things like this where we all look

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at each other and say, holy shit, both sides are

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in on it, both sides are corrupt. They'd much rather

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have us fighting with each other at each other's throats

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and pumping out all sorts of rage porn, and it's

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not even disputable. You know, there'll be some journalists or

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people who consider themselvesselves journalists who are offended by those

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kinds of statements, But it's the truth. Where's all the

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people camped out, where's all of the gigantic, gigantic push

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by these big networks, And it goes for all of them, right,

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not just one or the other, all of them. And

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what it really comes down to is they don't want

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to embarrass their friends. And it's unfortunate, It's really unfortunate.

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You can just take a look at the different figures

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in the media throughout the history of Jeffrey Epstein that

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we're hobnobbing with them, from George Stepanopolis to Katie Kirk

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to Mike Wallace. It's just you know, a who's who,

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Charlie Rose, and how many that we don't know about.

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We know that the Cuomos were connected via one of

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the books. So again, look, all of these people, the

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so called elite, they run cover for each other. And

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when this whole thing first broke, Nancy Pelosi's daughter came

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out and said well, some of our faves are going

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to be caught up in this. And for me, I

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don't look at any politician as my fave. I'm not

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into hero worshiping, especially when we're talking about grifters and

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psychos like the people running the world. So there'll be

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no hero worshiping for me. And all of these people

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were sent to do a job, and I feel like

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all of them have failed completely and miserably. And it's

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not just now, it's throughout years. You have to think

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think about how many presidencies we have had that Jeffrey

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Epstein has been running around and active him and Galay

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Maxwell all away from Clinton right all the way through.

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Nobody stopped them, Nobody did a thing. In fact, he

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was helped along his merry way. And it's disgusting, honestly.

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It's really one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice

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I have ever seen ever in my life. And you

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know for a fact that if this was politicians' children

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who were being abused in this gigantic ring, that they

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certainly would have had a few more conferences and probably

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would have had a few more meetings up there on

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Capitol Hill about what occurred. But if it's the Franklin

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situation or these girls. Eh, we'll get to it, you know,

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someday when the public pressure is enough to push us

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in that direction. So the legacy media has done nothing

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but cover the whole entire time as well. Now, don't

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get me wrong when I say the legacy media, I

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don't mean the whole media. There's a lot of good

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journalists who have done a lot of good work. Here,

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I'm talking about the major players in news, the people

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who are making the decisions. Those are the people that

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are scum, the absolute scum. And all you have to

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do is take a look at how ABC quashed the

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story about Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts so they didn't

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lose their access to Prince Andrew. And how many stories

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like that occur that we don't know about that there

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isn't a whistleblower telling us about. You have to think

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a bunch, right, So that was the only time it's

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ever happened. So that's why it's laughable to me when

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these journalists, who frankly I have never even heard of before,

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all of a sudden position themselves as experts in the

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Jeffrey Epstein case, Meanwhile, they can't even keep the basic

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timeline down right, the real timeline. So anyway, with that said,

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let's jump into some of the proceedings today and let's

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take a look at what went on in the courtroom.

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All right, So the proceedings got off to a bit

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of a slow start this morning due to one of

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the jurors having an issue getting there. Now, for those

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of you who are familiar with New York, you know

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that there's some issues with the subways. I've been caught

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up many times in subway nightmares, either coming down from

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Westchester on the Metro North or heading back up to

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Westchester via the subway. And I can't tell you how

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many times I have been stuck and caught in, you know,

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an issue with the subway, the car, whatever it may be.

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So I feel for this jur no doubt about it.

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There's nothing worse when you are, you know, using public

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transportation and you're stuck right, nothing you can do about it.

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So it took about forty five minutes for the jury

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to get there, and once the jur got there, they

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got underway. The first witness in the box was a

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lady named Janine gil Vales, and she worked for mar

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A Lago where Virginia Roberts was working or I was

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at when she met Maxwell prosecution, they were asking her

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how long she had worked at the property, and she

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says that she's been there for fifteen years. Now. The

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main reason that they were calling her up there is

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they had a redacted exhibit that they wanted to show

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her and it had to do with the hiring of

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Virginia Roberts dad Sky Roberts at mar A Lago in

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two thousand. Now, what they're trying to do is continue

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to build that foundation we've been talking about, right, all right,

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So we said that Robert's dad worked here. Well, now

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here's the documentation to prove it, and here is an

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employee from the company who can tell you that this

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is actual paperwork confirming that he did work here. So

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it was very short for the prosecution basically just to

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set that up and to add that into evidence to

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continue to build that foundation. So they turned him over

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to Bobby Sternham Sternheim, who was handling the cross for

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this section of it. They asked some questions regarding the

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hiring of Sky Roberts and if she knew, meaning the witness,

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if she knew personally of the hiring. She says that

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she did not have any personal knowledge of that hiring.

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to try and show the jury that while that paperwork

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is in, it could have been from anybody, again, trying to,

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you know, sow some seeds of doubt. Now, after this

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line of questioning, they're done with the witness as well,

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So very short, right, and the next person that they

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bring up is Sean. Now, Sean we heard about yesterday

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when Carol was giving her testimony. She was discussing Shawn

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had being her boyfriend, etc. Etc. So today Shawn is

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on the stand and he did a pretty good job,

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in my opinion, of corroborating Carolyn's story. When you look

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back at what we heard from Carolyn yesterday, gut wrenching account, right,

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I mean, how can you not feel for somebody went

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through abuse themselves from their own family, then the abuse

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of Epstein, drug addiction, the whole gamut, right, And that's

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the whole A lot of these girls fall into, not

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just girls, men too. Anybody who comes from this kind

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of lifestyle where they're abused and the abuse is continuous.

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This is the sort of tale that a lot of

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them tell unfortunately, and these people aren't to be just

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disregarded thrown into the trash. These are human beings, right

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and just because someone has a drug problem or had

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a drug problem doesn't make them a bad person. So

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prosecution starts by asking some questions about who Sean is,

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such as what his age is and what he did

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for work, you know, setting up the profile. He says

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that he's thirty eight years old and that he is

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a salesman. He also tells the court that he has

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attended a little bit of college. Then the questions turned

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to Carolyn, who gave her testimony yesterday, and the questions

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range from how old she was when they dated. He

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says that she was fourteen and he was seventeen, And

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they also asked other questions about how Carolyn met Jeffrey Epstein.

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Virginia Roberts. And again it makes me question, with as

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much as Virginia's name is being brought up, you would

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think that they would have her testify here. You would

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think that they would bring her in to tell her story.

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Why haven't they Why isn't Maria Farmer brought in as

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a witness or insert any of these girls that got

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caught up in Epstein's abuse, Why aren't they being brought in.

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I know, I sound like a broken record at this point,

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but you would think that, you know, we would be

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seeing some serious testimony by now, but for some reason,

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we have not seen that yet. And again, look, I'm

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I'm not some a trial specialist. This isn't something that

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I do in my free time follow trials like this

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and what goes on in courtrooms, So you know, this

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kind of thing where it might seem completely weird to me.

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Maybe prosecution has something up their sleeve that I just

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can't see. But I just don't have confidence in the

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federal government at this point to you know, really see

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it all the way through. So I would think that

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you would want somebody like Virginia Roberts to come and

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give her testimony. Considering she is the most high profile

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of the Epstein survivors as far as being in the

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media and stuff, I would think that her testimony would

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go a long way here. The prosecution then starts to

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ask Sean what the differences are between the part of

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town he was from West Palm Beach and where Jeffrey

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Epstein was from Palm Beach. Now it might as well

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be the Moon and Earth. Okay, when you're talking about

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the discrepancy and wealth besides the you know, between these

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two places, it is massive, massive, And people like Sean,

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people like Carolyn, people like Jane, they come from quote

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unquote the other side of the tracks, right, They don't

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have the opportunities. They don't have family members showering them

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with money. Hell, they don't even have family members giving

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them love. So when they talk about the other side

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of the tracks and you talk about West Palm Beach

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and Palm Beach, that's what you're talking about. And Shawn

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answers that, you know, he says, like anyone, like anyone would,

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it was about money. But of course he is cut

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off by Maxwell's lawyer, and Judge Nathan sustains the objection.

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He's not wrong though, it's the truth. Literally the other

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side of the tracks. Prosecution is looking to establish more

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of a pattern in the mo of Epstein and Maxwell here, right.

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They want to show you that Maxwell and Epstein went

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after the most vulnerable people, the poorest amongst us, the

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least likely to report them to the authorities. The prosecution

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goes on to ask Sean how often he visited Palm Beach,

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and Sean says to the court that he wasn't even

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able to afford things at the gas station in Palm Beach,

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so he didn't go there very often. Now, this line,

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this questioning, it touches on many different things, such as

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how the sessions were set up. And Sean tells the

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court that a lady with a foreign accent and Sarah

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would call his phone. Now, obviously Sarah is Sarah Kellen Vickers,

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and it makes us wonder why in the hell is

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Sarah Kellen Vickers not indicted yet? Is there a sealed

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indictment we don't know about. Is the government gonna bring

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her out as a witness here against Maxwell AT's who

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knows right? But how in the world is she not

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at this trial under oath at the very least, she

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has been able to slide through all of this. Ever

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since being named in the non prosecution agreement down in Florida,

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she has been able to avoid all of this. And

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it is unimaginable to me. You look at R. Kelly

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and all of his assistants caught up you look at

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Keith Rainiery all his assistants caught up. But here in

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this case, these people, they're gonna slide free, the unindicted

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co conspirators. I mean, it's just crazy. It's honestly crazy

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to me. And the fact that the government does and

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have them lined up one after the other here it

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just shows you that they're not willing to go all

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the way, at least it seems that way. Seawan was

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also asked about the timeframe of the stays at Epstein's,

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and he said that they were usually well, that they

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were there when he was there for an hour or

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an hour and five minutes or so. When asked if

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he went to Epstein's with anyone else, he responded that

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he did with Amanda and Melissa Laslow, And when he

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was asked the age of these girls, he responded that

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Amanda was fifteen and Melissa was sixteen at the time,

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and according to his testimony, when Melissa left Epstein's house

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after their journey, she had one hundred dollar bills. Now

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this once again hammers home the fact that Epstein was

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paying minors for massages and Maxwell was there for every

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step of the way. It looks to me that the

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prosecution is having a better day to day. It looks

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to me as if the prosecution is doing a better

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job hammering home their points. Now, before Sean is turned

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over to Pagliuca for a cross, he is asked by

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prosecution about his past criminal record, once again as a

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preemptive strike, right to beat prosecut to beat the defense

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to the punch here and when they asked him what

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he got popped for, he responds that he was nailed

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for possession of meth and being a felon in possession

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of a firearm. Again, these people who have lived these

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kinds of lives inevitably end up having it rough, end

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up with a drug addiction. Drug addiction leads to other crimes,

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other felonies, and before you know it, you have a

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rap sheet and you're looked at as a felon. So again,

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people like Carolyn, people like Jane, these are the people

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that Epstein's of the world prey upon. And it's not

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even debatable. Now. The high priced Harvard squad takes over

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the cross and they begin to set the table how

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they see it. They ask him about his trip to

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Epstein's in two thousand and two, and then they slyly

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throw in that it was Sarah who called him once again,

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trying to put some insulation between their client and the truth.

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And you notice that throughout this trial they've been throwing

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out these names, Sarah Kellen Vickers. They've thrown out you know, Clinton,

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They've thrown out Trump's name, you know, multiple multiple high

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profile people trying to get the spotlight off of their client,

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basically telling the jury and the court, hey, well what

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about these people? And I agree that those people should

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be looked at as well. I don't think that their

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tactic here is going to work. I think that the

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jury is going to be able to discern what's going

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on here, and I think that the jury will be

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able to see through this tactic. It must be said

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once again, however, that Sarah Kellen Vickers should be under

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the microscope here, and that the non prosecution agreement that

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the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals to client to squash

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once again is rearing its ugly head and gumming things up. Now,

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if they would have gotten rid of that non profit

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prosecution agreement, things would be a lot different in not

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only this Maxwell trial, but in this whole entire thing overall.

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With that nonprofit prosecution agreement. It really provides the co

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conspirators who are named in it, and those who are

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not named, by the way, a lot of protection. Pagliuca

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continues to pepper him with questions about various things such

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as when he met the when he met with the government,

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and when he had this meeting, how he had said

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that the accent was French. Well, he says that he

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said that it was foreign, not French. So after this exchange,

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Pagliuca is finished with Sean and we get ready for

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the next witness to take the stand. Who is Nicole

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Hess And she is a former employee at Epstein's pom

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Beach House on Elbrio Way in two thousand and three

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is when she was employed there. Now this is a

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pretty short one as well, so prosecution asked her basic

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questions such as what her job duties entailed, what her

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responsibilities were, to which she responds that she was tasked

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with taking care of the home and then when asked

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who hired her, she says it was Glenn Maxwell. Was

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also tasked with, you know, writing down messages, et cetera,

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et cetera, if phone calls came in. What this does

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is once again, it continues to build the case that

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Maxwell was not a victim here but in fact an

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able and willing part of all of this. She was

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also shown, meaning Nicole, She was also shown some sealed

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evidence about a phone call made by Carolyn to Epstein,

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and when shown this evidence, she said that that it

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was a message that she took and what it does

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is again corroborates Carolyn's earlier testimony. So I thought that

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that was a pretty uh interesting slide in there by

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the prosecution just a little quick one, right to continue

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to try and build those foundational blocks. And finally today

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on the stand, after they were done with Nicole Hess

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it's David Rodgers. Now I have an episode about David Roba,

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and he was Epstein's main pilot. He was the one

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who hired Larry Vassoski, right, and both of these guys

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have their connections to Columbus. We also know who has

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connections to Columbus, the crypt keeper himself, Les Wexner. So

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prosecution they asked mister Rogers questions such as where the

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flights were going, where they were arriving, and he goes

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on to tell the court about Epstein's planes and how

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they started off in a golf stream and then they

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had a Cessna before moving up to the seven twenty seven,

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the plane where you know the horribleness took place, the

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Flying House of Horas. When asked about privacy issues on

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the golf stream, he said that there was a door

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that was always closed, So when he was on the

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golf stream, the door was always closed. Right, He wasn't

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going back, There wasn't hanging out with Epstein, none of

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that jazz, according to his testimony. Prosecution also asked about

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the log books and if he has a pilot kept one,

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and he responded that he did. They offer up this

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log book and they offer it as sealed. I know

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you guys are shocked about that. And according to reports

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from the courtroom, an entire column of this log book

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was blacked out. Why in the hell would this be

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blacked out? We don't have a right to see who

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is on these planes at this point, what are we

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going to embarrass them? I mean, really, if you're flying

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around with Jeffrey Epstein, I think that should be public knowledge.

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The questioning moves along and he has asked about some

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of the names of passengers and how he found out

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who was aboard his plane. He says that he didn't

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always know who was aboard his plane, and he tells

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the court that he wouldn't always, you know, have a

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full accounting. Now, look, I'm not an aviation guy, but

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isn't that a little weird, Like, especially if people are

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being transported across state lines for the purposes of being trafficked,

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isn't that what the Man Act was created for? I mean,

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the pilots here, Vasaski and Rogers, both I have been

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not a fan of. From Jump Street. Tell me, you

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guys have been ferrying around Epstein and all of these

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young girls for all of these years, and you saw nothing. Huh,

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you knew nothing. Huh. It just is one step too

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far for me to go. I just can't believe that.

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It is ludicrous, honestly. And then we heard, you know,

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Larry Vassoski describing a fourteen year old talking about how

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she you know, her breasts and how she's an adult.

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So really, these guys are absolute knuckleheads first of all.

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Second of all, anyone who's working for Epstein all of

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this time, especially after the first arrest, should have their

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heads examined. So right around this time when they were

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talking about the names of passengers, and you know the logs,

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Nathan calls lunch. So after the lunch break they come

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back and uh prosecution refers to a sealed exhibit and

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asks Rogers about a name that it contains. He has

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asked not to say the name in open court, but

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to confirm if that if that passenger was ever on

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his plane. He says that they were. When asked about

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this flight or this flight or that, he responds that

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this one from Palm Beach, this one was from Palm

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Beach to New Jersey. He says that Jane was on

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that flight according to reports. No other context was given

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here and nobody else who was present on the flight

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was discussed. Then prosecution goes on to ask him about

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a specific flight from Van Nuys to Santa Fe and

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that was flight eight one eight. Now, when I went

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to Santa Fe to talk to people who were hip

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to Epps's BS, one of those people was an airport

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employee who had seen the young girls with their own eyes,

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had seen these gaggles of girls and the transportation of

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them from the airport, et cetera, et cetera. They said

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that it was an open secret, and the whole city

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of Xanta fe knew. In fact, the lady who checked

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me into my hotel room said as much. You know,

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when you go to a hotel room and you're talking

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to the front desk person about what you're doing in

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the city, blah blah blah, bah blah. It came up

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while I was there. I started talking about Epstein and

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she was like, oh, yeah, that's one of those open

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secret type things. I mean, wow. And then you have

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the Attorney General in New Mexico who sat on their

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hands the whole entire time, and it's just one gigantic

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shit show. Unfortunately, when it comes to Zoro Ranch, when

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Rogers is asked about Virginia Roberts and how many times

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that she was on his plane, he replied with a

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staggering number of thirty two times. Once again, how is

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it that Virginia keeps being brought up but she is

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not being called on to give testimony. When asked if

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there was one other person on the flight at the

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time with virgin Virginia Roberts, Rogers affirms this. Other flights

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are discussed Europe, North Africa, etc. And on these trips,

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according to Rogers, Maxwell was present during his questioning. He

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was also asked about Maxwell and Epstein and the romantic involvement,

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to which he responded that they were involved at first,

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but not later on. Look, I have my doubts that

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they were ever really romantically involved. Okay, I think it

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was a cover from Jump Street. I think that Glen

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Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, they're not capable of being in

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a relationship like you or I would be able to

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be in. These people are different and there's just no

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way in my opinion, that they were ever romantically inclined.

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That she might have a crush on him, maybe Epstein

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not with her. There were a means to an end.

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Rogers also says that Maxwell was Epstein's number two in general.

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He wasn't referring to the human trafficking crimes, but it's

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very obvious what the government was angling for here getting

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him to, you know, him admitting that he was the

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number two of Glan Mack, that Glean Maxwell was Epstein's

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number two in general. It really shows you, right, if

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you're that much of his confidant, that you're in charge

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of his household, you're in charge of all of this stuff.

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It would lead people to believe that you're also involved

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here when other people are pointing that out, when other

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people are putting you at the scene of the crime

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and these girls are also saying that you abuse them.

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Prosecution finishes up after this with Rogers, and now it's

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time for mister Harvard Christian Everdell to take over and

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cross examine the witness. Uh. Just like with Vasaski, they

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asked him about the cockpit door and if it was

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always closed. He says that it was not always closed,

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meaning on the bigger plane. The questioning stays in the

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zip code as Everdell asks about any sort of refuse

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that might have been found in the cabin after Epstein

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got off the plane, such as condoms or an unaccounted

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for dildo or something like that. Once again, the defense

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is trying to make it seem like Rogers or Vasaski

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didn't see anything. Oh, I have my doubts about that, honestly,

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that it couldn't have happened. Right, since those guys didn't

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see it, then how did any of this stuff happen?

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So what about when those doors were closed? What what

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about when Vasaski or Rogers were flying the plane? You know,

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across the country. Nothing was going on in the uh

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in the cabin, they don't know where or the other.

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Before they go to another break, they touched on the

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topic of the ownership of Jeffrey Epstein's planes and how

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they are registered. Now, according to Rogers, it's common for

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these planes to be registered, you know, one at a time, separately,

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so they aren't, you know, for liability purposes. And I

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don't really even understand, honestly, what all of that was about.

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That whole entire exchange a little silly if you're asking me,

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I'm guessing that what they were trying to establish was

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this is just a normalized process for rich people who

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own planes, that they register them separately as their own

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entity for liability purposes. But you know, I'm lucky I

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can afford a car, never mind a plane. After the break,

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the question in the questioning picks back up with Everdell

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asking questions about Jane and of Rogers knows her another

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setup for the scummy tactics they've been using the whole time.

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By the way, because Everdell states that Jane has the

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same real name as one of Epstein's assistants. Nice little

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back door docksing they have going on here, huh, and

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they just continue to do it over and over again.

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They don't get admonished, nothing happens to them. Brilliant Everdell

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then moves on to discussing some of the other big

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names who were close to Epstein and on some of

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these flights, such as Eva Dubin, a former model and

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an ex of Jeffrey Epstein, who remained close to even

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after marrying her husband hedge fund hedge fund manager Glenn Dubin.

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And they were so close, in fact, that Jeffrey Epstein

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was the godson to her daughter and they called him

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Uncle Jeffy. That's a whole different ball of yarn to untangle,

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and I obviously have an episode about that as well.

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I'll upload that later. He also brings up Les Wexner

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and the trips to Ohio, discussing those trips to Ohio.

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I mean, are they really trying to use Wexner and

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the Dubans as character witnesses for Glenn Maxwell here? I mean, really,

518
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,279
you're talking about Glen Dubin and Less Wexner, right. Both

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00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,079
of these men are credibly accused by Virginia Roberts of

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sexually assaulting her. I mean, what's next, They're going to

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call in the Green River Killer as a character witness,

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so before the uh, before they even get to all

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of that, you know, with the Glenn Duben stuff, I mean,

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this is a guy that was very, very close to

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Jeffrey Epstein. We've heard about the fifteen year old in

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Glen Dubin's kitchen crying their eyes out. So there's a

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00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,079
whole sordid story and a whole tale to be told

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about Glenn Dubin. There's no doubt about that. And I'll

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definitely uploads some more episodes offering some more context on

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Glenn Dubin. Now, right before the proceedings wrap up, Rogers

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is asked if he ever saw Annie Farmer on his plane.

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He says that he did not. Now, Annie is going

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to give some testimony here as well, and I think

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that it's going to be pretty powerful testimony. The situation

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with Annie and what she went through, gut wrenching stuff, folks,

536
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,079
just like all of this stuff and all of the

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00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:40,559
testimony from these survivors, and I don't anticipate it getting

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00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:44,920
any easier when Annie gets onto the stand. The story

539
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,440
she's going to tell, it's a gut wrenching one, and

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00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:57,079
it's sad. There's really no other words to describe the

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00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,840
whole entire ordeal, right, It's just super sad, all of it,

542
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,119
the pain, the suffering, and the years of unaccountability not

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00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,519
only by the people who were involved here, but by

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the people who were supposed to protect these girls. Now

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four decades later, the battle for justice continues, and hopefully

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00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,760
things spin the right way, hopefully Glenn Maxwell gets convicted here.

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But we have a few more days at the very

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least to see what's going on, to see what pops up,

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and whenever the prosecution decides to rest their case, which

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we hear might be tomorrow, then of course the defense

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will get a chance to you know, go through things themselves,

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so we'll see where everything lands. Will continue to be

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here at least two times a day covering what's going on,

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and we'll continue to swim through the muck together, folks,

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as we search for some clarity. If you'd like to

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contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at

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ProtonMail dot com. That's b O B B Y C

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A p U C C I at ProtonMail dot com.

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You can also find me on Twitter at b O

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I all right, everybody, I will be back tomorrow