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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Dragon A Dennison of New Mexico, Idaho, haunting the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Southwest. Welcome to the other side of Midnight, Eddie Walter.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard White Sounds earlier in the broadcast, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know the stuff happening down south. I'm gonna go a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit further down south than White Sands this evening.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is an eerie thing that Russ Colhart had

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Man Ross is a very smoke man.

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<v Speaker 2>He certainly is, and certainly that's a spooky story. We're

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<v Speaker 2>actually in between El Paso and White Sands, where, of

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<v Speaker 2>course the first atomic bomb went off. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most egregious, horrible murders that you have

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard that remains unsolved. And this goes back to

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety and this continues to you know, every year

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<v Speaker 2>they bring it out, you know, about the same time

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<v Speaker 2>every year in February, about the Los Crusis Bowling alley

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<v Speaker 2>murders and ladies and gentlemen. If you've never heard of

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<v Speaker 2>this before, this is something of all of the innocent

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<v Speaker 2>places and of all the innocence that was around it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't even believe that this actually happened. Los Crusis

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<v Speaker 2>is named after the three crosses. That's the city. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a very holy city, very dedicated Roman Catholic city, but

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<v Speaker 2>also very near the border, about forty miles north of

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<v Speaker 2>the border. And it was a Saturday morning back in

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<v Speaker 2>Los Cruses, New Mexico, back in nineteen ninety. Families were

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<v Speaker 2>just starting their weekend, you know, Saturday morning, hanging out,

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<v Speaker 2>businesses opening their doors, and inside the Los Crusis Bowling

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<v Speaker 2>Alley where I have been and still it shuddered to

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<v Speaker 2>this day. After that day, it has never reopened. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't they didn't, you know, demolition it. They didn't take

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<v Speaker 2>it down. The Los Crucis Bowl on East Amador Avenue

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<v Speaker 2>still stands to this day, still shuttered. And it's a

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<v Speaker 2>crime that unfolded so cold, so ruthless, Walter that nearly

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<v Speaker 2>four decades later, it still stands as New Mexico's most

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<v Speaker 2>haunting unsolved mass murder. Now, two men entered the bowling

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<v Speaker 2>alley that morning. Investigators believe the robbery was their initial objective.

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<v Speaker 2>The amount stolen was believed to be less than five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars cash personal checks, and what happened next was

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<v Speaker 2>beyond a robbery. Because there were seven innocent people forced

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<v Speaker 2>into a small office that morning, shot and left amid

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<v Speaker 2>a deliberately sat fire, and you can hear the nine

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<v Speaker 2>to one one calls in all of this. There were

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<v Speaker 2>three adults and four children who were moved into that room.

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<v Speaker 2>The children were these ages thirteen, twelve, six, and can

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<v Speaker 2>you believe at two years old, it's difficult to say

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<v Speaker 2>those ages out loud and you think of a two

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<v Speaker 2>year old or a six year old, because it makes

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<v Speaker 2>all this brutality impossible to distance yourself from, because we

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<v Speaker 2>all know children. These were not hard and criminals. These

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<v Speaker 2>were just you know, employees and parents and children who

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<v Speaker 2>had just misfortune of being inside the bowling alley at

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong morning on that Saturday morning. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>survivors who actually made the nine one one call and

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<v Speaker 2>you can hear is Melissa Repass, twelve years old. She

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<v Speaker 2>was shot five times, one of them in the head,

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<v Speaker 2>and still makes this phone call. She managed to make

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<v Speaker 2>that nine to one one phone call about eight thirty

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<v Speaker 2>that morning, and that call brought police and firefighters to

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<v Speaker 2>the building where they found all the victims in that office.

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<v Speaker 2>Her courage, despite being shot, saved those lives and ensure

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<v Speaker 2>that the crime scene was discovered quickly. Three of them

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<v Speaker 2>survived four deaths. Melissa survived and even though the fire

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<v Speaker 2>that they set upon leaving had already begun, destroying all

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<v Speaker 2>of the evidence, and firefighters had to go in. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's kind of be a little bit more exact about

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement on this, because this is a crime scene

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<v Speaker 2>that got completely and over two men carried out the attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Men were described as Hispanic possibly Mexican, dark complexions, both

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<v Speaker 2>believed to be speaking fluent English. By the way, the

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<v Speaker 2>surviving witness helped investigators develop descriptions, but descriptions are not names.

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<v Speaker 2>They never have a name, even thirty six years later.

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<v Speaker 2>The sketch not a fingerprint match, but we do have

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<v Speaker 2>a good idea of what they look like. And back

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety the investigative world had nowhere near what

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<v Speaker 2>we do today. As I talked about Brian Horberger yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>the DNA tools, you know, a Q tip, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have anything. You didn't even have the databases, the digital records,

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<v Speaker 2>no surveillance cameras, nothing, licensed plate readers in the flock cameras,

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<v Speaker 2>cell phone tracking that we have available to state, nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>no pings nothing. So the official theory is it's a

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<v Speaker 2>robbery homicide. Two armed men came for money, murdered witnesses,

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<v Speaker 2>set fire to erase evidence. And the evidence supporting that

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<v Speaker 2>theory is pretty straightforward. Money checks were taken, victims were

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<v Speaker 2>gathered in the office, the office was set ablaze, and

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<v Speaker 2>that place was never to open again. But here's the question,

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<v Speaker 2>why kill everyone? Why kill the children? Why shoot them?

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<v Speaker 2>Why set the fire? And this is where all the

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<v Speaker 2>theories begin, Walter, and we have to be responsible about

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<v Speaker 2>distinguishing the theories from the proof. There's an entire movie

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<v Speaker 2>about this one theory. The killers panicked, stuck them in there.

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<v Speaker 2>The robbery spotled out of control. Maybe one of the

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<v Speaker 2>gunmen I don't know recognized one of the employees, not

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<v Speaker 2>that they were recognized. Maybe the criminals I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>believed that they had been seen too clearly made the

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<v Speaker 2>decision to eliminate witnesses one by one, I mean, three

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<v Speaker 2>of them survived, and the fire supports the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>they were trying to just erase their trail, But it

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<v Speaker 2>also raises another question, and if they were organized enough

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<v Speaker 2>to burn this evidence and set fire to this place,

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<v Speaker 2>why were they reckless enough to commit an attack that

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<v Speaker 2>was guaranteed to, you know, trigger a massive police response

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't that organized. By the way. Also, another theory

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<v Speaker 2>could have been more than a robbery, the violence, the

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<v Speaker 2>egregious violence that they perpetrated on these children. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if all this were true, the robbery could have been

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<v Speaker 2>a camouflage, a way to make some type of killing

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<v Speaker 2>appear like an ordinary hold up. And then there's another

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<v Speaker 2>theory that the government were experienced criminals who disappeared into

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<v Speaker 2>another jurisdiction, quite possibly Mexico, just forty miles south on

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<v Speaker 2>that Texas border. Investigators have had to consider whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not the killers were even local, regional, or just passing through.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you think about this, prior to the digital

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<v Speaker 2>area that we have now, those offenders could have crossed

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<v Speaker 2>state lines. They would have been able to get through

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<v Speaker 2>border patrol at that time US, you know, the US

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico border that you have to stop and basic stay,

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<v Speaker 2>which you are before you get to El Paso. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So finally somebody knows that these murders took place, but

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<v Speaker 2>it stayed silent all these years. And this is the

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<v Speaker 2>most plausible explanation as to why that this case has

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<v Speaker 2>lasted so long without a single name being detailed, without

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<v Speaker 2>anybody brought in that the two men actually committed this atrocity.

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<v Speaker 2>And they may brag or confess, and you know, may

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<v Speaker 2>have been drunk at some point, but they may have

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<v Speaker 2>confided in other people at some point. But yet to

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<v Speaker 2>this day, thirty six years later, year, thirty six years later,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing has actually come forth. I mean, despite the people aging,

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<v Speaker 2>despite relationships changing, you know, why has this not been solved?

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<v Speaker 2>The crime scene compromised, the killers left way before the

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<v Speaker 2>police arrived, and even the investigators, despite possessing physical evidence

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<v Speaker 2>and forensic science and all this on the DNA and

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<v Speaker 2>the fingerprints, they never were able to come up with

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<v Speaker 2>one single explanation as to who these people are thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six years later, And you know, this is the point

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<v Speaker 2>to remember tonight, Walter, this unsolved case in Los Cruses

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<v Speaker 2>in southern New Mexico isn't a dead case. It still

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<v Speaker 2>remains New Mexico's largest unsolved mass murder. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>knew somebody in the New Mexico area and Los Cruises

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<v Speaker 2>between Olpaso and Los Cruses who had unexplained cash or

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<v Speaker 2>checks or injuries or weapon. They're still waiting for these

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<v Speaker 2>people to come forward. And this isn't the only mass

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<v Speaker 2>murder that has happened in New Mexico. We actually had

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<v Speaker 2>something called the West Mason murders where twelve people individually,

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<v Speaker 2>not all at one time, but individually that has yet

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<v Speaker 2>to be solved. Just as well, New Mexico's a dark place.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a place where you need a true detective.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, these mass murders that are unsolved, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not just in New York like last night, they're also

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<v Speaker 2>here in New Mexico. Walter, It's well, it's ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Now ed ed Arrogan eds Dragon. What There was no

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<v Speaker 1>motive ever established for those murders.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Robbery is the only thing they could actually come

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<v Speaker 2>up with.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it an office in a bowling alley? What kind

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<v Speaker 1>of money could we be talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, to rent bowling shoes back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety what was that two bucks to have a bowling game?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that eight bucks? I mean, what would be there?

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed to be you know, targeted. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you've been bowling, Walter, but it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those places between the video games I sort of

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<v Speaker 2>grew up in the bowling alley because my parents were

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<v Speaker 2>in a bowling league. Like most parents back in the

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<v Speaker 2>seventies and eighties, that was the thing. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a whole lot of money taking place there,

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<v Speaker 2>so it really, you know, confuses I think the people

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<v Speaker 2>of Las Cruses and the rest of the nation as

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<v Speaker 2>to why seven people were shot. The woman who places

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<v Speaker 2>or the young lady, the twelve year old who plays

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<v Speaker 2>that phone call. You could listen to the horror in

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<v Speaker 2>her voice as she's calling that nine to one one.

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<v Speaker 1>And do we know where she is today?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't. Actually I did try to find her. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know where she is as of today. No, but

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<v Speaker 2>that bowling alley still has never been never been reopened open.

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<v Speaker 1>Where your parents in a cash league.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that is. I played a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of pac Man and Defender and those we were put

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<v Speaker 2>our quarters up on there. But I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>that means.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'll tell you what it means. It means that

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<v Speaker 1>the there are bowling leagues, largely in Milwaukee that are

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<v Speaker 1>manned by the largest people you've ever seen in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>and they bowl for cash and at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>each season, like a school semester, the person with the

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<v Speaker 1>highest points collects cash, second highest collects cash's third highest

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<v Speaker 1>collects cash. They pool their money at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the season, put it in a pot, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>can win the pot, or the second place in the pot,

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<v Speaker 1>or the third place in the pot. But it's a

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<v Speaker 1>cash league, and it can be significant money. It can

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<v Speaker 1>be a couple thousand bucks. You can pay the rent,

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<v Speaker 1>pay the food for a month. But they bowl to kill.

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen these people bowl and they're not telling

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<v Speaker 1>jokes to each other. They're giving each other the dirty eye.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no beer being ordered. Maybe a kilbosi, maybe some

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<v Speaker 1>big hot dogs, but there's no beer being ordered. They

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<v Speaker 1>bowl to work. They bowl to make money, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is a stunning thing to see, especially when you make

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<v Speaker 1>a mistake like I did. I was in Milwaukee, I

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<v Speaker 1>had time to kill. I go into a bowling alley

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<v Speaker 1>because it's Milwaukee. You want to embrace the culture of

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you are. I go into a bowling alley and

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<v Speaker 1>I look at the guy, said, you know, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to bowl that. It was like three in the afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>The place is empty, one hundred lanes empty, and he

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<v Speaker 1>looks at me and he goes The league starts at four.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, okay, I'm linking one hundred lanes should

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<v Speaker 1>not be a problem. And I start to bowl and

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<v Speaker 1>the goof off, and at three point fifty five the

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<v Speaker 1>doors slam open. Every door in that bowling alley slams open.

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<v Speaker 1>The largest people I have ever seen descend upon the lanes,

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<v Speaker 1>including mine, and they start to bowl. The minut at

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<v Speaker 1>their feet hit those alleys. They start to bowl, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was terrifying. And now I know why

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<v Speaker 1>he warned me. I had to get out of there

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<v Speaker 1>or knives would have been drawn.

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<v Speaker 2>The frenetic pace, I mean, the aggression that you just described.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know this prize league that they have

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<v Speaker 2>with that sounds like lots of money, Walter, So maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you inadvertently uncovered the motive behind the what the uh

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<v Speaker 2>the Los s cruses bowling out at alley murders.

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<v Speaker 1>With Hey you Eddie, Eddie arrogant Eddie Dragon, thanks so

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<v Speaker 1>much for being on the other side of a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>You're terrific