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Speaker 1: A nineteen seventy eight Russian contactee case by Charles Lear

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in the volume twenty six, number six March nineteen eighty

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one Flying Saucer Review. There is an article page seven

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of the PDF by Russian UFO investigator Nikita a Shni

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headlined contact reported near Pirogovskoy Lake. It tells the tale

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of an unnamed Red Army officer who said he was

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taken aboard a craft by two men in dull colored

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cellophane like garments who told him they wanted to have

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a talk. In his introduction, Shnee explains that Soviet ufologists

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were of the belief that there were no Russian CE

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three cases. He cites Felix y Zeigel, an assistant professor

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at the Moscow Institute of Aviation, who presented his opinion

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in the second issue of Observations of UFOs in the

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USSR that, in Sheese words, such reports are the fruits

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of sick minds or obvious hoaxes with the aim of

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making money or obtaining publicity. With that said, Schnie assures

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the reader that in his report all the events described

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actually emphasis in the original took place and are not

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products of the contacte's imagination. He says, this has been

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proved quite convincingly through examination of the witness and the

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landing site of the UFO. As the reader shall see,

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Russian ufologist had a unique st of landing sight examination

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in those days. According to Schnee, a Soviet army officer

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of high rank was walking away from Lake Pirogovsoi at

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the end of May or the beginning of June nineteen

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seventy eight. He suddenly felt like he was being taken

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by the arms, and then saw the two men in

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the cellophane like clothing. One of them communicated this to him,

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we'd like to talk to you. It'll take just a

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few seconds. Everything we'll talk about will be erased and

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you'll forget it. Shnee then continues the story from the

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witness's written statement. According to the witness, he couldn't remember

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the faces of the men, explaining they are as if

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in a haze. He says that neither he nor the

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two men talked, but he could feel their words and

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they were able to understand his thought. As they communicated.

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The fear he had initially experienced gave way to feeling

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lighthearted and free. His answer to their request was I've

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nothing against talking with representatives of another civilization. According to

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the witness, the next thing he knew, he was in

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a dome like room with bright white walls. He couldn't

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tell where the light was coming from, as he didn't

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see lamps of any kind. He saw the two men

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sitting at a table, but his memory of them was hazy.

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The part of the room opposite him was dark, but

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he could see some small tables with buttons and a

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big screen like a TV set. He was trying to

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figure out how to prevent the men from erasing his

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memory after their conversation, and had to try one of

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our old customs. He told the men it was a

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rule here to celebrate important meetings with a drink, and

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they responded by bringing him a glass of salty liquid

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that looked like lemonade. He told them that we liked

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to celebrate with something stronger, and they asked him to explain.

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He remembered the formula for alcohol and asked for paper

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and a pencil. They told him he could write on

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the wall, and to his surprise, he found he was

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able to do so with his finger, just like writing

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on misted glass or on black velvet. One of them

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said they'd make it right away and disappeared into the gloom.

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He came back with a glass and gave it to

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the witness. The witness asked, how's this that such a

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highly developed civilization does not use something like this. One

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of them answered, saying, maybe if we'd used it, we

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would never have been so highly developed. The witness felt

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it was said jokingly. The witness then asked why they

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didn't help us here on earth in our struggles against

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the evils of poverty, fascism, the rich, and so on.

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They explained that it would be difficult to know whom

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to help, and they would either have to exterminate everybody

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or let everybody be and let life on earth go

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on the way it goes. According to the witness, they

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aren't going to interfere, They are just watching us. After

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what seemed to be three hours of conversation, one of

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them told him they would now erase his memory. He

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went to a keyboard and started pressing buttons, but seemed

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to be having problems. There were pulses jumping about on

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a small screen, and when the witness asked what was

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the matter, the man told him that the pulses were

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usually strongest from the area of the brain affected by

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the conversation, but strong pulses were coming from everywhere. He

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said he didn't know which pulses to erase, and told

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him to just not tell anyone anything he might remember.

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Shne then describes the Russian style site investigation. To aid

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in this, he brought along sensitives who were able to

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feel biological fields. If these are detected, a landing is

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believed to have occurred and the investigation moves forward. Jacques

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Vallet describes encountering this during his time in Russia in

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his nineteen ninety two book UFO Chronicles of the Soviet Union.

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According to Valet, the term for the practice is biolocation,

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and during a discussion page ninety four with ufologist Alexis Zolotov,

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Valet and his co author Martin Costello were told by

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Zolotov that students of geology graduate with a diploma and biolocation,

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which is basically the same as dousing. Valet describes Zolotov

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demonstrating using a coiled piece of metal wire and declaring

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the desk should not be here. This is a negative

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section of the room. Patrick Gross looks at this case

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on his site UFOs at close site and it's cataloged

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as urecat dash zero zero zero three one three. Besides

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the FSR article, which is the original source, he lists

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the nineteen eighty three book by Jenny Randalls UFO Reality,

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A Critical Look at the Physical Evidence, pages twenty two

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to twenty three, and the compilation of reports page eighty

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two of the pdf by John Schusler UFO Related Human

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Physiological Effects. He also lists two websites, and in the

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account he provides from the Alien Conspiracy website, the officer

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has developed the name Anatolely. Gross doesn't think much of

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the case to begin with. He says he couldn't find

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a lake Pirogovskoy, though he did find embankments with that name.

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He also notes that Shni was a partner of Vladimir Ashaza,

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a Russian ufologist known for sensationalism and his pure inventions

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of UFO sightings.