Speaker 1: A nineteen seventy eight Russian contactee case by Charles Lear
in the volume twenty six, number six March nineteen eighty
one Flying Saucer Review. There is an article page seven
of the PDF by Russian UFO investigator Nikita a Shni
headlined contact reported near Pirogovskoy Lake. It tells the tale
of an unnamed Red Army officer who said he was
taken aboard a craft by two men in dull colored
cellophane like garments who told him they wanted to have
a talk. In his introduction, Shnee explains that Soviet ufologists
were of the belief that there were no Russian CE
three cases. He cites Felix y Zeigel, an assistant professor
at the Moscow Institute of Aviation, who presented his opinion
in the second issue of Observations of UFOs in the
USSR that, in Sheese words, such reports are the fruits
of sick minds or obvious hoaxes with the aim of
making money or obtaining publicity. With that said, Schnie assures
the reader that in his report all the events described
actually emphasis in the original took place and are not
products of the contacte's imagination. He says, this has been
proved quite convincingly through examination of the witness and the
landing site of the UFO. As the reader shall see,
Russian ufologist had a unique st of landing sight examination
in those days. According to Schnee, a Soviet army officer
of high rank was walking away from Lake Pirogovsoi at
the end of May or the beginning of June nineteen
seventy eight. He suddenly felt like he was being taken
by the arms, and then saw the two men in
the cellophane like clothing. One of them communicated this to him,
we'd like to talk to you. It'll take just a
few seconds. Everything we'll talk about will be erased and
you'll forget it. Shnee then continues the story from the
witness's written statement. According to the witness, he couldn't remember
the faces of the men, explaining they are as if
in a haze. He says that neither he nor the
two men talked, but he could feel their words and
they were able to understand his thought. As they communicated.
The fear he had initially experienced gave way to feeling
lighthearted and free. His answer to their request was I've
nothing against talking with representatives of another civilization. According to
the witness, the next thing he knew, he was in
a dome like room with bright white walls. He couldn't
tell where the light was coming from, as he didn't
see lamps of any kind. He saw the two men
sitting at a table, but his memory of them was hazy.
The part of the room opposite him was dark, but
he could see some small tables with buttons and a
big screen like a TV set. He was trying to
figure out how to prevent the men from erasing his
memory after their conversation, and had to try one of
our old customs. He told the men it was a
rule here to celebrate important meetings with a drink, and
they responded by bringing him a glass of salty liquid
that looked like lemonade. He told them that we liked
to celebrate with something stronger, and they asked him to explain.
He remembered the formula for alcohol and asked for paper
and a pencil. They told him he could write on
the wall, and to his surprise, he found he was
able to do so with his finger, just like writing
on misted glass or on black velvet. One of them
said they'd make it right away and disappeared into the gloom.
He came back with a glass and gave it to
the witness. The witness asked, how's this that such a
highly developed civilization does not use something like this. One
of them answered, saying, maybe if we'd used it, we
would never have been so highly developed. The witness felt
it was said jokingly. The witness then asked why they
didn't help us here on earth in our struggles against
the evils of poverty, fascism, the rich, and so on.
They explained that it would be difficult to know whom
to help, and they would either have to exterminate everybody
or let everybody be and let life on earth go
on the way it goes. According to the witness, they
aren't going to interfere, They are just watching us. After
what seemed to be three hours of conversation, one of
them told him they would now erase his memory. He
went to a keyboard and started pressing buttons, but seemed
to be having problems. There were pulses jumping about on
a small screen, and when the witness asked what was
the matter, the man told him that the pulses were
usually strongest from the area of the brain affected by
the conversation, but strong pulses were coming from everywhere. He
said he didn't know which pulses to erase, and told
him to just not tell anyone anything he might remember.
Shne then describes the Russian style site investigation. To aid
in this, he brought along sensitives who were able to
feel biological fields. If these are detected, a landing is
believed to have occurred and the investigation moves forward. Jacques
Vallet describes encountering this during his time in Russia in
his nineteen ninety two book UFO Chronicles of the Soviet Union.
According to Valet, the term for the practice is biolocation,
and during a discussion page ninety four with ufologist Alexis Zolotov,
Valet and his co author Martin Costello were told by
Zolotov that students of geology graduate with a diploma and biolocation,
which is basically the same as dousing. Valet describes Zolotov
demonstrating using a coiled piece of metal wire and declaring
the desk should not be here. This is a negative
section of the room. Patrick Gross looks at this case
on his site UFOs at close site and it's cataloged
as urecat dash zero zero zero three one three. Besides
the FSR article, which is the original source, he lists
the nineteen eighty three book by Jenny Randalls UFO Reality,
A Critical Look at the Physical Evidence, pages twenty two
to twenty three, and the compilation of reports page eighty
two of the pdf by John Schusler UFO Related Human
Physiological Effects. He also lists two websites, and in the
account he provides from the Alien Conspiracy website, the officer
has developed the name Anatolely. Gross doesn't think much of
the case to begin with. He says he couldn't find
a lake Pirogovskoy, though he did find embankments with that name.
He also notes that Shni was a partner of Vladimir Ashaza,
a Russian ufologist known for sensationalism and his pure inventions
of UFO sightings.