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<v Speaker 1>Hallucinogenic drugs, hypnosis, electric shocks to the brain, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the methods used in secret CIA mind control experiments.

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<v Speaker 2>There are many theories as to what the shining is

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<v Speaker 2>really about, from the faking of the moon landing to

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<v Speaker 2>Native American genocide and the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, if he did fake the apology in that thing,

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<v Speaker 3>then he probably has really deep connections into the intelligence world.

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<v Speaker 3>Why are there these gigantic continuity airors in this movie?

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<v Speaker 4>The occulted meaning has to be comprehensible. It's just hidden,

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<v Speaker 4>usually in a very systematic way, so that it could

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<v Speaker 4>be understood by someone coming along later on who knows

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<v Speaker 4>what the real meaning is supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>We believe that there's something even more sinister lurking beneath

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<v Speaker 2>the surface of this Master Hotel.

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<v Speaker 3>So Lookout Mountain Hotel looked a lot like the Overlook Hotel.

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<v Speaker 5>You realize that there's no such thing as coincidive season like.

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<v Speaker 2>That as Lookout Mountain studios ran by the Air Force

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<v Speaker 2>and told the story of nuclear weapons testing by the

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<v Speaker 2>United States of the.

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<v Speaker 6>Army Navan Air Force.

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<v Speaker 7>The Air Force was.

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<v Speaker 8>Known to be the most.

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<v Speaker 6>Excited, the most turned on by MK Ultra and its prospects.

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<v Speaker 5>Reportedly, there were more films made at Lookout Mounted than

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<v Speaker 5>at all the other film studios in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 3>We really don't know that these famous film directors were

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<v Speaker 3>being recruited for what project or whatever was it?

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<v Speaker 5>The mood Landing.

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<v Speaker 2>The CIA's MK Ultra programs were admitted to the public

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy five, five years before the release of

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<v Speaker 2>The Shining.

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<v Speaker 5>These experiments were done without the informed consent of the patients.

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<v Speaker 6>Look at some UFO cases and the things that are

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<v Speaker 6>reported tells me that MK ultra is likely being applied.

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<v Speaker 9>In my MK ultra mind control experience, I was taken

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<v Speaker 9>to various military, NASA and DARPA installations for sophisticated mind

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<v Speaker 9>control programming.

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<v Speaker 5>Woke Disney, Marilyn Monroe, James Stewart, Carry Grant, Ronald Reagan.

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody really knows what they were doing.

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<v Speaker 9>Up there, as well as high ranking military and Department

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<v Speaker 9>of Defense personnel.

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<v Speaker 3>But people don't realize is that many of the people

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<v Speaker 3>that worked with Kubrick also worked with Kennedy. This is

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<v Speaker 3>actually the smoking gun proving that Kubrick was working.

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<v Speaker 7>With the government.

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<v Speaker 5>These were all CIA sponsored experiments. I said I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>gonna hurt you. I'm just gonna bash your brains. And

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<v Speaker 5>I'm putting little symbolic critic clues and Easter eggs pertaining

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<v Speaker 5>to the fact that they're still doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>These clues include a hidden swastika in the background of

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<v Speaker 2>the boardroom.

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<v Speaker 9>What was the set up? What it was being told?

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<v Speaker 9>And realized that it was a lie all along?

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<v Speaker 5>But right there in the narrative, in the dialogue, they're

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<v Speaker 5>telling you that this was a very real program coming

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<v Speaker 5>out of those nice folks at the CIA.

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<v Speaker 8>Here's Johnny, So, welcome back to Good Vibrations, and my

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<v Speaker 8>guests today are the guys behind a documentary film which

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<v Speaker 8>has been doing the rounds on Amazon Prime for a

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<v Speaker 8>few days now.

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<v Speaker 5>Some listeners or viewers may have seen it already. One

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<v Speaker 5>of my guests I've spoken to before many many years ago,

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<v Speaker 5>and the other one is the first time on Good Vibrations.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's Jay Widner and Ryder Lee. Who are the

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<v Speaker 5>individuals behind the documentary A clockwork Shining gents.

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<v Speaker 7>Welcome, Hey, thanks for having us, cool, thanks for having us.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark really appreciate her brother.

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<v Speaker 5>No worries. So what are your official job titles on

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<v Speaker 5>this documentary, one of you is executive producer and the

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<v Speaker 5>other one is the main producer and director. Is that right?

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<v Speaker 7>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote and produced and writer, directed and edited it.

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<v Speaker 3>We have kind of the roles that we figured out

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<v Speaker 3>when we did our last film, JFKX, and.

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<v Speaker 7>It works out.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a really good director, a really good editor, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the kind of guy that likes to write in

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<v Speaker 3>a quiet room and figure everything out before we start shooting.

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<v Speaker 7>So it worked out really well.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, So did you reach out to Jay Ryder having

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<v Speaker 5>seen is Kubrick's Odyssey? Is that the way this worked?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the way that it worked. I had watched

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Jay's films. He's been producing movies for

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<v Speaker 2>a really long time, and I was bringing him on

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<v Speaker 2>my show to do an interview, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>watch his content that he had done before. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was just rewatching The Shining over and over and over

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<v Speaker 2>again to prepare for this interview with Jay. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>is there anything that I'm going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>find in this movie that people have never seen before?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd found a few things, and I'm presenting this

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<v Speaker 2>to Jay on our show together. He was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes a lot of sense. And then a few

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<v Speaker 2>months later I hit him up and I was like, Jay,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to make a documentary about this, because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think anyone has ever seen the things that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>seeing in this movie in the theory that I have.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was like, yeah, we should, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>like cool. And then we actually decided to do another

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<v Speaker 2>movie before this movie, which I'm really glad that we

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<v Speaker 2>did because I was able to cut my teeth on

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<v Speaker 2>that film, which is also up on Amazon Prime Free

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<v Speaker 2>v jfk X, and that's kind of how it went.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm really happy that we did that first film

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<v Speaker 2>before this one because this one is really a passion

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<v Speaker 2>project and it's There's been several people that have watched

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<v Speaker 2>this so far and they're like, they're kind of mind

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<v Speaker 2>blown by how much information is in it. And Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>you've seen it so far, what did you think of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you like it? Well, you're in it.

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<v Speaker 5>Right right, Yeah, it's amazing. It's I really love the

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<v Speaker 5>final cut, And as you say, there's so much information

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<v Speaker 5>in it, and what people are going to find interesting

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<v Speaker 5>is that there's information that's never previously been presented. So

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<v Speaker 5>I would say maybe you agree with me that Stanley

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<v Speaker 5>Kubrick is the most analyzed film director in movie history,

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<v Speaker 5>and I would say that of his films, The Shining

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<v Speaker 5>is the most analyzed film. So you can go on

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<v Speaker 5>YouTube and you could be there for hours just trawling

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<v Speaker 5>through all these videos that people are uploaded with what

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<v Speaker 5>they consider to be their decode of what's in The Shining,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's just incredible that over four decades on, there's

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<v Speaker 5>still information that's never been presented before which appears to

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<v Speaker 5>be lurking beneath the surface narrative. So that's what your

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<v Speaker 5>film is all about, and you believe that you've found

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<v Speaker 5>a narrative that nobody else has commented on before. I

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<v Speaker 5>loved your line in it Rider where you say The

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<v Speaker 5>Shining is considered one of the greatest horror movies of

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<v Speaker 5>all time, but is it really a horror movie? And

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's the key to what you consider to

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<v Speaker 5>be the decode that you've taken away from this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I would like to get J's opinion on

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<v Speaker 2>this as well, because I had one percent I think

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<v Speaker 2>the video would agree with me in this statement and

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<v Speaker 2>saying that if The Shining was released today in today's time,

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<v Speaker 2>it would not be considered a horror film. It would

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<v Speaker 2>be more of a psychological thriller because really nothing happens

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<v Speaker 2>in this entire movie until the last thirty minutes of

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<v Speaker 2>the movie.

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<v Speaker 5>One person dies in the entire film.

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<v Speaker 7>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was thinking about that the other day.

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<v Speaker 3>So Kubrick's got this a horror movie that he's making,

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<v Speaker 3>and he realizes after reading the book that nobody dies

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<v Speaker 3>in the book, and so he had to solve that problem.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think he solved it by having an hour

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<v Speaker 3>and being killed. But you think about it, Jack doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>kill anybody in the book.

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<v Speaker 7>They're Shining.

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<v Speaker 5>It's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's one of those movies that's kind of like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is really going on here? And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>been the whole thing about this movie since the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>People are just puzzled by all of the continuity errors

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<v Speaker 2>that's in the movie, which we point out all of

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that I know about within the movie at

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<v Speaker 2>Clockwork Shining. There's several of them, and people have been,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of racking their brain, like why are

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<v Speaker 2>there are so many continuity errors in this movie? Because

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<v Speaker 2>Stanley Kubrick is a perfectionist, you know, he made sure

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<v Speaker 2>that everything was right. And this movie has probably the

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<v Speaker 2>most continuity errors out of any movie ever, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>several of them. The sticker disappearing on Danny's door, the

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<v Speaker 2>carpet changing in the hallway when Danny stands up before

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<v Speaker 2>he goes in the room two thirty seven, the chair

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<v Speaker 2>disappearing behind Jack, light switches that will just disappear in

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<v Speaker 2>one shot and then later on they'll be there or

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<v Speaker 2>vice versa. And one of the ones that I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of forgot about, which is really interesting, is because the

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<v Speaker 2>external shots of the hotel and the overlook hotel within

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<v Speaker 2>the Shining where some of them were shot at Timberline

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<v Speaker 2>Lodge in Oregon, and those first establishing shots of the hotel,

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<v Speaker 2>there's you don't see a maze in the background. There's

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<v Speaker 2>not a maze in behind the hotel, but then later

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<v Speaker 2>on there is a maze. So it's like all these

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<v Speaker 2>things are happening. And we don't really precisely say in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie, this documentary that we made, why these continuity

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<v Speaker 2>errors are there, but we kind of give you a

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<v Speaker 2>reason throughout the movie that they're that you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>have to put two and two together, and it's more

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<v Speaker 2>like Stanley Kubrick is trying to see if he can

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<v Speaker 2>get the audience to also question their reality as they're

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<v Speaker 2>watching the movie, just as he's, just as Jack Torrents

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<v Speaker 2>within the Shining is also starting to question his reality

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<v Speaker 2>and slowly go into delusions. So that's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a subtext thing that's not really stated in the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>but something that the audience kind of has to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out on their own.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a long talk with Stanley's top assistant in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thirteen, and we were at a conference together, and

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<v Speaker 3>he wasn't too happy with me, but he was gracious

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<v Speaker 3>enough to answer some of my questions, and he basically

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<v Speaker 3>said to me that Stanley just got lazy and all

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<v Speaker 3>those continuity AARs were just Stanley being lazy and going,

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<v Speaker 3>come on, man, I mean really, and he really was

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<v Speaker 3>saying that, and I couldn't believe it. He was also

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<v Speaker 3>the one that told me that because Stanley had had

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<v Speaker 3>him go look at all these hotels around America and

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<v Speaker 3>take pictures and send them back to Stanley. And when

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<v Speaker 3>he got to the Timberline Hotel, because he didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>what he was looking for, only Stanley knew what he

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<v Speaker 3>was looking for. When he got to the Timberline Hotel

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<v Speaker 3>and sent the polaroids back. Stanley immediately called him up

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<v Speaker 3>and said, that's it, You're done.

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<v Speaker 7>Come home.

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<v Speaker 3>So as soon as he saw the Timberline Hotel, he

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<v Speaker 3>knew he had his hotel. And as we pointed out

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<v Speaker 3>in the movie, the Timberline Hotel looks a lot like

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<v Speaker 3>the Lookout Mountain Hotel that was there before the Lookout

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<v Speaker 3>Mountain studios were put in in Laurel Canon.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, this is another thing that's really interesting too, j

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry sorry, Mark, and Stephen King's sequel to The Shining

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Sleep because the look Our Mountain Hotel burnt to

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<v Speaker 2>to the book The Shining and also the sequel to

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<v Speaker 2>the movie The Shining Doctor Sleep, the Overlook Hotel burns

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<v Speaker 2>of the ground, something that we didn't have in our movie.

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<v Speaker 3>The Shining the book was the Overlook burns out.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, So they got there with Doctor Sleep. This is

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<v Speaker 5>Shining is a movie about a guy that goes a

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<v Speaker 5>And Stanley knows there's so much more to it, and

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<v Speaker 5>And actually he went to his grave without many of

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<v Speaker 5>be happy doing that. They would want to know that

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the closest thing I ever got to channeling was

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<v Speaker 3>i'd just gotten back from France in nineteen ninety nine

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<v Speaker 3>doing research for the book I was writing, and because

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<v Speaker 3>I was so busy in France, I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 3>Stanley had die. This was in March of nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 3>and so when I got back to America, I saw

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<v Speaker 3>and I was crestfallen and I it was a Saturday

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<v Speaker 3>and she said, what are you doing? And I immediately

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<v Speaker 3>began channeling the fact that two thousand and one was

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<v Speaker 7>The moon landing. I suddenly figured it all out.

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<v Speaker 3>Within five days of Stanley's death, I had my first

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<v Speaker 3>two Kubrick's Odyssey movies basically channeled to me. I swear

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<v Speaker 3>to the god to this day, I think Cubrick's spirit

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<v Speaker 3>was running around the world trying to find somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>understood both alchemy and filmmaking so he could tell them

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<v Speaker 3>about what he was really putting.

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<v Speaker 7>In his movies.

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<v Speaker 3>And ever since then, I've been on this quest for

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five years now, trying to figure out all of

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<v Speaker 3>Kubrick's movies. But I really do believe that we figured

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<v Speaker 3>out what the Shining is really about. And Curate didn't

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<v Speaker 3>believe in the supernatural. He was a complete atheist. He

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<v Speaker 3>didn't believe in ghosts or anything, so it had to

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<v Speaker 3>have been kind of hard for him to make a

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<v Speaker 3>and so forget it.

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<v Speaker 7>Where'd you kind of make a movie?

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<v Speaker 3>I have so many layers in it that it'll take

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<v Speaker 5>Well, this is the thing I wanted to ask about.

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<v Speaker 5>So we'll get into what you propose with the work

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<v Speaker 5>shining shortly. But there are many other decodes that people

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<v Speaker 5>could take away from this film. These were discussed in

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<v Speaker 5>Room two three seven. Jay, you were a part of

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<v Speaker 5>that documentary two and you advanced the idea that Stanley

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<v Speaker 5>was basically confessing to having faked the moon landings. There

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<v Speaker 5>was a theory in there that it was about the

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<v Speaker 5>genocide of the Native Americans. So now that you believe

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<v Speaker 5>you found this new meaning to it, do you think

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<v Speaker 5>all those other interpretations are still there as well? So

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<v Speaker 5>there's multiple layers to it. It's not just one hidden meaning.

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<v Speaker 5>There are many that will put into this.

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<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, In fact, I think, as I told Rodney Asher

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<v Speaker 3>the Maker three Room two thirty seven, I think all

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<v Speaker 3>of those theories you presented are correct. I believe it

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<v Speaker 3>is about the Holocaust. I do believe it is about

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<v Speaker 3>the tilling of the Native Americans. I believe it is

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<v Speaker 3>about the moon landing, and it's also and if you

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<v Speaker 3>think about that, all those things kind of work together.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's about America. The overlook is America. He even

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<v Speaker 3>says that one time Shelley Duval says, let's go make

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<v Speaker 3>America clean again, right, joking to Danny as they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to the maze. So I think it's all those and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that they all work into our theory on

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<v Speaker 3>the clockwork shining. I think that they all work together.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Kubrick was trying to tell us many things.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course, if it's the moon landing, then that's

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<v Speaker 3>Operation paper Clip. If it's Operation paper Clip, then that's

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<v Speaker 3>the Holocaust, So naturally he would want to get that in.

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<v Speaker 3>And if it's also about the conquering the world, then

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<v Speaker 3>yesterday that Americans are going to come in and be

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<v Speaker 3>part of it. As he said, this is native American

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<v Speaker 3>barrier ill ground in the movie. And so it's all

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<v Speaker 3>of those things, but mostly it's about the Young k

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<v Speaker 3>Ultra program, right.

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<v Speaker 5>And you say in the film that Stanley was given

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<v Speaker 5>this film to make by Warner Brothers. So they said,

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<v Speaker 5>here's the Stephen King book. We want you to make

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<v Speaker 5>a movie, and you also observe that Stanley was doing

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<v Speaker 5>rewrites through the film, through the filming, the making of

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<v Speaker 5>the film, it's like he was getting bored with the

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<v Speaker 5>official narrative and thinking of what he could put into

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<v Speaker 5>it to spice it up a bit and have a

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<v Speaker 5>bit of fun and put all these hidden elements in.

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<v Speaker 5>So that seemed to have been an ongoing process through

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<v Speaker 5>the production.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>There's an interview with Dianne Johnson, the screenwriter with Stanley

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<v Speaker 3>on The Shining and she expresses her a great disappointment

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<v Speaker 3>that Stanley cut a crucial scene out of the movie,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's a scene where apparently Jack, which is from

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<v Speaker 3>the book where Jack finds a scrap book down in

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<v Speaker 3>the basement of the Overlook, and the scrap book in

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<v Speaker 3>the book was all these mob ties and crimes and

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<v Speaker 3>everything that we're in the scrap book, and it seem

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<v Speaker 3>strange that he would cut that out since it's such

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<v Speaker 3>a crucial part of the movie. But if he's really

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<v Speaker 3>trying to tell you about the MK Ultra programs, then yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he's gonna toss it.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't care, right, And there's evidence of that with

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<v Speaker 2>the interaction between Grady and Jack in the bathroom after

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<v Speaker 2>Grady has spilled the alcohol on Jack, the dialogue between them,

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<v Speaker 2>because Jack is basically like, haven't I seen you somewhere before?

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<v Speaker 2>But we don't see him seeing any pictures of Grady

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<v Speaker 2>in the hotel. He's not on any of the walls

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<v Speaker 2>and pictures in the hotel, So it makes sense that

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<v Speaker 2>that scene was there where he finds the scrap book.

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<v Speaker 2>He sees that, you know, the newspaper articles of Grady

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<v Speaker 2>killing his two daughters and his wife previously at the hotel,

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<v Speaker 2>and the nesting was just cut out, but there's still

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<v Speaker 2>remnants of that between the conversation of Jack and Grady

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<v Speaker 2>in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, yeah, right, just give us an overview then, of

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<v Speaker 5>what you feel is the main idea that's being communicated

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<v Speaker 5>in the shining beneath the surface narrative.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there are several things that I found that nobody

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<v Speaker 2>else has ever seen. There's a when before Grady spills

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<v Speaker 2>alcohol and Jack in the gold room, there's a lady

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<v Speaker 2>that walks past that has a handprint on her ass. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>some people can say that this handprint is somehow a

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<v Speaker 2>part of the dress, but either way, it's still a

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<v Speaker 2>handprint on her ass. Regardless if it's a part of

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<v Speaker 2>the dress or if it's an actual real handprint, it's

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<v Speaker 2>still conveying the same thing. And then in the Gold Room,

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<v Speaker 2>also when Allman is giving a tour to Wendy and Jack,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a swastika that's in the background of the Gold

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<v Speaker 2>Room into the wall. And I'm the first person to

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<v Speaker 2>ever have seen that, And the only reason that I

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<v Speaker 2>was able to see it is because I've seen The

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<v Speaker 2>Shining on the big screen. One of the theaters near

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<v Speaker 2>me last year during Halloween was showing the Shining doing

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<v Speaker 2>a reshowing of the Shining, and I went and seen

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<v Speaker 2>it on the big screen and I was like, holy shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I immediately called Jay after that. I was like, how's

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<v Speaker 2>that swastika in the background of the Gold Room? Which

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<v Speaker 2>really ties in with you know, Project paper Clip this

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<v Speaker 2>and what other people have seen that have pointed out.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the movie, when the picture on

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<v Speaker 2>the wall fades to the far away picture faced to

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<v Speaker 2>a close up picture of Jack for a split second,

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<v Speaker 2>you can see a Hitler mustache on Jack's face. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not something that we've seen, that's something that other people

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<v Speaker 2>have pointed out. Through in the movie, but it all

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<v Speaker 2>ties together, and then you have the first time that

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<v Speaker 2>we meet Wendy and Danny in the movie, Wendy is

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<v Speaker 2>reading the book by J. D. Salinger, Catcher in the Rye,

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<v Speaker 2>which I don't think very many people have pointed out,

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<v Speaker 2>and many have theorized and put together that Catcher in

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<v Speaker 2>the Rye is a MK Ultramanchurian candidate style trigger for assassins.

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<v Speaker 2>And what does Jack do throughout the entire movie. He

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to kill his family. And then you have

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<v Speaker 2>the psychic driving aspect as well. You know, Jack is

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly writing this book for you know, and Wendy comes

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<v Speaker 2>in and sees that he's not really writing a book.

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<v Speaker 2>He's writing the same sentence over and over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have the same the real life example

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<v Speaker 2>of that with sir Han Sirhan which was said to

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<v Speaker 2>have assassinated RFK in nineteen sixty eight. So and so

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<v Speaker 2>Jack is doing his own interpretation of psychic drive within

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<v Speaker 2>the movie as well. There's many things with Stanley Kubrick

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<v Speaker 2>that tie over into real life, like real life is

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<v Speaker 2>mimicking art, or art is mimicking real life. Like we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Sue Lyon in the movie which Lolita was

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<v Speaker 2>basically about pedophilia, and that was actually happening to the

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<v Speaker 2>real life actress by Stanley Kubrick's producer was essentially raping her,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the lead actress. She was thirteen years old

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<v Speaker 2>at the time he was in his thirties. Then you

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<v Speaker 2>have like Shelley Duvall, it's the same thing. And then

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<v Speaker 2>with a clockwork orange, even in the UK and in

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<v Speaker 2>some other countries, like crime was getting really out of hand,

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<v Speaker 2>there was murders that was attributed to people watching a

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<v Speaker 2>clockwork Orange, which then it was banned. So there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many things with Stanley Kubrick that tie over into real

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<v Speaker 2>life scenarios that is really mind blowing to me. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's either reality imitating art or art imitating reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the writer Robert Temple is my good friend. He

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<v Speaker 3>was hanging out with Stanley on the set of two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and one Space honestly when he was a young man,

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<v Speaker 3>and he told me that he went over to Stanley's

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<v Speaker 3>house and Stanley had this big, huge library and he

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<v Speaker 3>said he was obsessed with Nazi memorabilia. Who's all over

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<v Speaker 3>his whole place who collecting it. He was reading Nazi

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<v Speaker 3>scientific papers. He told his screenwriter, who wrote the screenplay

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<v Speaker 3>with him on Eyes White Shut. He wrote a book

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<v Speaker 3>called Eyes White Open about his time with Stanley, and

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<v Speaker 3>he said Stanley would look at him and he was Jewish,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, and so was Stanley, and Stanley would

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<v Speaker 3>look at him and say, Hitler never said one thing

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<v Speaker 3>that wasn't true, right, And it caused a big scandal

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<v Speaker 3>believing when this book came out, because he's certainly saying

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<v Speaker 3>that Stanley was like favor of the Nazis. So I

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00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.920
<v Speaker 3>have two sources as say that Stanley was obsessed with

425
00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:13.440
<v Speaker 3>the Germans. And then when Ryder found the swastika on

426
00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:15.680
<v Speaker 3>the wall in the Gold Room, I was like, Yeap,

427
00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:17.319
<v Speaker 3>doesn't surprise.

428
00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.039
<v Speaker 7>Me one bit, right.

429
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<v Speaker 5>So we're talking about mk ultra coming out of those

430
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.839
<v Speaker 5>nice folks at the CIA, and a big part of

431
00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:28.799
<v Speaker 5>what they were doing in those experiments involved LSD and

432
00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:31.240
<v Speaker 5>that's a big part of the narrative of the Shining,

433
00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:34.440
<v Speaker 5>according to how you've decoded it, and it's the key

434
00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:37.200
<v Speaker 5>to so much. So Ryder, you've made the comment that

435
00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.119
<v Speaker 5>there are no ghosts in this film. People think it's

436
00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:42.839
<v Speaker 5>a horror movie, but there are no ghosts, and in

437
00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:46.799
<v Speaker 5>your view, the characters of Lloyd the barman and Grady,

438
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:50.119
<v Speaker 5>the guy that cleans Jack up in the bathroom who's

439
00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:54.079
<v Speaker 5>supposed to be the reincarnation of the original caretaker, according

440
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:58.759
<v Speaker 5>to the surface narrative, aren't actually ghosts. They're characters that

441
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:02.160
<v Speaker 5>have been planted in the hotel as part of the

442
00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:05.599
<v Speaker 5>experimentation that's being conducted on Jack. Right.

443
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, have you seen the movie Shutter Island with Leonardo DiCaprio,

444
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:15.680
<v Speaker 2>where they basically it's about this detective that's going to

445
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.599
<v Speaker 2>the psychiatric hospital to investigate a murder. And at the

446
00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:21.519
<v Speaker 2>end of the movie spoiler alert for Shutter Island. I'm

447
00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:23.279
<v Speaker 2>sure people have already seen it. If you haven't seen,

448
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:26.319
<v Speaker 2>it's a fantastic movie. But at the end, it turns

449
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.400
<v Speaker 2>out that all these people are like LARPing. They're LARPing

450
00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:36.440
<v Speaker 2>this whole scenario for Leonardo DiCaprio's character, and that's what

451
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.319
<v Speaker 2>we believe is going on within the shining. All the

452
00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:44.319
<v Speaker 2>people that are perceived to be ghost are really actors

453
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:47.680
<v Speaker 2>playing a role within the movie to try and convince

454
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Jack to kill his family. It's an experiment That's pretty

455
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:57.119
<v Speaker 2>much what Allman tells Jack from the very beginning of

456
00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the movie, between the dialogue with Bill Watson and uh

457
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Almen and Jack in the beginning. And that's one of

458
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.680
<v Speaker 2>the things that people, you know, think that is really

459
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.799
<v Speaker 2>boring about the movie because it's just ten minutes of

460
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the just like straight dialogue of them talking. But almend

461
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:17.240
<v Speaker 2>reveals the entire plot of the movie to Jack in

462
00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 2>that set down with him. It's so interesting, and I

463
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:24.240
<v Speaker 2>don't think very many people actually, you know, look at

464
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>that and analyze that part. But pretty much Almond is like, hey,

465
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:31.000
<v Speaker 2>this isn't a physically demanding job. This is this is

466
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:36.440
<v Speaker 2>a psychological job. And then later on, when Wendy has

467
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:42.119
<v Speaker 2>confronted Jack after he's getting his psychic driving, he becomes

468
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:45.440
<v Speaker 2>triggered and he decides to do you know, violence against

469
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>his uh against Windy and his family. And in that

470
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:53.680
<v Speaker 2>dialogue between him and Wendy there he's talking about, you know,

471
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:58.279
<v Speaker 2>how do you you know my responsibilities to my employers,

472
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Like you have any idea what a contract is, you know,

473
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:06.039
<v Speaker 2>So it's like it's almost like he knows that he's

474
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:11.200
<v Speaker 2>involved in some sort of psychological operation up at the

475
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:17.720
<v Speaker 2>overlook and he's, uh, he's trying to convey that to

476
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Wendy and Danny, but they don't really understand exactly what's

477
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:23.799
<v Speaker 2>going on. And then you have Lloyd the bartender as well,

478
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.519
<v Speaker 2>which you talk about in the movie Mark with Frank

479
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Olsen and Sydney Gottlieb spiking the drink of Frank Olsen

480
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:33.680
<v Speaker 2>and then him later later, you know, committing suicide by

481
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 2>jumping out of what story eleventh story or twelve story

482
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.400
<v Speaker 2>or thirteen story or something like that in a hotel room.

483
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.559
<v Speaker 2>And the CIA has been known to spike, you know,

484
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.599
<v Speaker 2>alcoholic drinks or any kind of drinks with some sort

485
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>of hallucinogenic substance. And it's one thing to be to

486
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.759
<v Speaker 2>knowingly take some kind of hallucinogenic because then you're going

487
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:58.079
<v Speaker 2>to expect to feel the effects of that hallucinogenic. You're

488
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:02.079
<v Speaker 2>gonna expect to feel that mind within you. But when

489
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:05.720
<v Speaker 2>you're unknowingly dosed with some sort of hallucinogeny, you're gonna

490
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>think that you're out of your mind and that you're crazy.

491
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 2>And the first thing that Jack Jack doesn't experience anything

492
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.240
<v Speaker 2>strange until he takes that first alcoholic drink from Lloyd

493
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the bartender. When Wendy walks into the gold room, it

494
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 2>was like Danny was attacked by a lady in one

495
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:22.519
<v Speaker 2>of the empty rooms upstairs, and then he goes up

496
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:25.240
<v Speaker 2>there and then he sees the lady, the very attractive

497
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 2>lady turned into an elderly woman. And room two thirty

498
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:31.000
<v Speaker 2>seven is very psychedelic. It's got this uh, it's unlike

499
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:34.200
<v Speaker 2>anything else that we see within the shining, any of

500
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.079
<v Speaker 2>the exterior things. Things are purple, they're very vibrant. It's

501
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.720
<v Speaker 2>almost like a psychedelic trip. As soon as Jack walks

502
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.759
<v Speaker 2>in there, then he sees the old lady, the attractive

503
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.039
<v Speaker 2>lady turns into an old woman. And then later whenever

504
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 2>he goes up into the room to me back up

505
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:49.279
<v Speaker 2>with Wendy, Wendy asked him, did you see anything in

506
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:51.319
<v Speaker 2>room two thirty seven. He said, no, I didn't see

507
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:52.119
<v Speaker 2>a goddamn thing.

508
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because he's on acid, that's what it is. And

509
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Speaker 3>Ryder did a great cut to the very first shot

510
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.680
<v Speaker 3>or when he enters room two thirty seven. You get

511
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 3>the vibrant purple and greens that are everywhere, and.

512
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:12.839
<v Speaker 7>It feels like, you know, you're on acid.

513
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.720
<v Speaker 5>So we're saying that Lloyd and Grady are not ghosts,

514
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.960
<v Speaker 5>they're real people. What about the twins that Danny experiences,

515
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.440
<v Speaker 5>the twin girls and the old hag in the in

516
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 5>room to two thirty seven, you've said, is the actual

517
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 5>woman who presumably is real, who in Jack's altered state,

518
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.559
<v Speaker 5>turns into this hideous old woman. And then at the

519
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:41.240
<v Speaker 5>end of the movie you've got Wendy experiencing skeletons and

520
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.519
<v Speaker 5>this guy with a cut in his head and stuff.

521
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:46.799
<v Speaker 5>So are they straight hallucinations in your view?

522
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:52.079
<v Speaker 3>No, they're actors. They're all actors. Everybody's an actor.

523
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.279
<v Speaker 5>Including the girls that are all chopped up in the

524
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 5>hallway there.

525
00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Uh, well, that could be u set up of some kind,

526
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, a stage set up of some kind. But

527
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:10.440
<v Speaker 3>once you understand that everybody's an actor, it becomes really

528
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:15.640
<v Speaker 3>easy to understand. And that's exactly what Kubrick would do.

529
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:19.519
<v Speaker 3>And so the old what we're saying is that the

530
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 3>overlook purpose is to do these MK ultra operations in

531
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:28.440
<v Speaker 3>the winter, and that they bring up a group of people.

532
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:30.200
<v Speaker 3>They hide out in the rooms and they come out

533
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.559
<v Speaker 3>when they're supposed to. They're probably they're being watched and

534
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.839
<v Speaker 3>everything and this is all by the way given away

535
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.920
<v Speaker 3>in the ending of the Shining that Kubrick cut out.

536
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.799
<v Speaker 7>In the ending of the Shining, Wendy is in her.

537
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Bed and ohmen, the hotel manager comes in to see her.

538
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.920
<v Speaker 3>It tells her there's no evidence at the hotel for

539
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:58.599
<v Speaker 3>anything you're saying, right, why because they cleaned it up.

540
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:00.720
<v Speaker 3>They cleaned up the evidence. So that's what you do

541
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.240
<v Speaker 3>after your mkolture operation. And then he says, why don't

542
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:06.880
<v Speaker 3>you and Danny come stay at my house on the beach.

543
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 7>In out La, right? And why would he do that?

544
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:12.640
<v Speaker 3>And the answer is because you want to keep an

545
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:15.519
<v Speaker 3>eye on your subjects for a couple of months after

546
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:20.200
<v Speaker 3>the experimentation to see what happens with him, right the

547
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:24.160
<v Speaker 3>aftermath of the experiment. And I believe that he cut

548
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.640
<v Speaker 3>that ending out because he realized it was given the

549
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:29.119
<v Speaker 3>whole ball of axe.

550
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:32.319
<v Speaker 7>Away and he didn't want to do that, right yea.

551
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:38.160
<v Speaker 7>And he throws the ball, the tennis ball to Danny.

552
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.680
<v Speaker 3>How would he know that Danny had an interaction with

553
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:43.319
<v Speaker 3>the tennis ball in the hallway in front of Room

554
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.480
<v Speaker 3>thirty seven. He wouldn't he know way that he would

555
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 3>know that? So what is he doing giving him the ball? Well,

556
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 3>he's obviously he was watching Danny.

557
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 5>She wish we could see that footage.

558
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean two. That's one of the most

559
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:01.880
<v Speaker 2>infamous pieces of walls ever. Many people have claimed to

560
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 2>have had the director of Toy Story as well. People

561
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.759
<v Speaker 2>have said that he has the lost footage. But I

562
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.960
<v Speaker 2>think one of the things within the movie that kind

563
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.960
<v Speaker 2>of explains what's going on with Danny is the when

564
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Walter Bosley, the AFOSI Special Agent of the Air Force,

565
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>talks about, you know this LSD aerosol that has been

566
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 2>known to be sprayed on entire groups of unsuspecting people.

567
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure that the CIA had like a party

568
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.640
<v Speaker 2>at one point where they were just spraying LSD aerosol

569
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:41.640
<v Speaker 2>into the house of the apartment of this where all

570
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>these people were having a party, and these people would

571
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>just kind of go out of their minds. So it's

572
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of implied throughout a movie that is possible that

573
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.799
<v Speaker 2>Room two thirty seven is just getting hit with some

574
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:57.559
<v Speaker 2>sort of LSD aerosol, and maybe when Danny goes into

575
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Room two thirty seven, he gets hit with that LSD

576
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:06.599
<v Speaker 2>aerosol and that's how he experiences the twins in the hallway,

577
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 2>and that might be an explanation for that. But Danny

578
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 2>is also very you know, psychic, He's a psychic boy

579
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.519
<v Speaker 2>as well. And then when you think.

580
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:20.200
<v Speaker 7>Of like the.

581
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, hollerin and you know them having this psychic

582
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:28.880
<v Speaker 2>connection to each other and the trauma that they've really faced,

583
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 2>because you bring it up in the documentary, Mark, the

584
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:37.640
<v Speaker 2>trauma is the key to unlocking these abilities and Windy.

585
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.759
<v Speaker 2>Throughout the movie. That's how Windy gets to see some

586
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.400
<v Speaker 2>of the things that are happening at the overlook is

587
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.599
<v Speaker 2>due to the trauma and the mind fracturing from the

588
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:52.240
<v Speaker 2>MK ultra programs that she's being suscepted to throughout the movie,

589
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:56.640
<v Speaker 2>because it's even implied in the storage room when Jack

590
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 2>is in there between the conversation that he's having with Grady,

591
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>which great, he is outside of the door and he's

592
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:05.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, talking to Jack, He's like, you know, Wendy

593
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:10.760
<v Speaker 2>is much more you know, stronger mentally than we had suspected.

594
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.360
<v Speaker 2>So how do we basically, how do we break her

595
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 2>down to you know, get her on this level to

596
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.199
<v Speaker 2>where her mind can be completely taken over by these experiments?

597
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:25.599
<v Speaker 5>Right, you mentioned the character Bill Watson earlier. Yeah, sorry,

598
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.159
<v Speaker 5>you mentioned the character Bill Watson who's in the interview

599
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 5>with Almon and Jack when he's first arriving at the hotel.

600
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:34.880
<v Speaker 5>And there's no ostensible reason for this character to be

601
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.239
<v Speaker 5>in the film, So it's almost as if they paid

602
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.440
<v Speaker 5>an actor to do nothing, because he says virtually nothing.

603
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.039
<v Speaker 5>But he's taken a very keen interesting Jack. He's kind

604
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.480
<v Speaker 5>of looking him up and down in the interview. And

605
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 5>I don't think this made the final cut of your film,

606
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 5>but I think your view is that he's a man

607
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:55.800
<v Speaker 5>from the CIA and he's there to assess Jack's suitability

608
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.519
<v Speaker 5>for this experiment. That's what's implied there.

609
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.920
<v Speaker 3>Yep, that's exactly right, and he's he's probably the people

610
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.760
<v Speaker 3>in from Denver, one of the people from Denver that

611
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.280
<v Speaker 3>they keep referring to, which is interesting because a lot

612
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 3>of people don't realize that the CIA has always had

613
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:21.599
<v Speaker 3>a operation command center in Denver. Yes, they're in Langley, Virginia,

614
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:23.760
<v Speaker 3>but they also have one in Denver and it's been there.

615
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.880
<v Speaker 3>It's actually becoming their main office. They're moving from Langley

616
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 3>to Denver right now. They've been doing it for like

617
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:34.800
<v Speaker 3>five years, so somehow you reck knew all.

618
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:38.239
<v Speaker 5>This creple in Denver as well.

619
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 7>Yes, it is.

620
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I originally wanted to put some things in there

621
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:49.639
<v Speaker 2>about Bill Watson and his likeness to Sidney Gauntlieb, because

622
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 2>they look very similar. But the issue that I kind

623
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.800
<v Speaker 2>of ran into was that there's very few photos of

624
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Sidney Gauntlieb. Hardly find any of him, like one or

625
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.480
<v Speaker 2>two the two that I have in there. Whenever you're

626
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>talking about Frank Olsen Mark is one of the only

627
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 2>two that you can really find. There's very little footage

628
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 2>of him. The only footage that I could find of

629
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.280
<v Speaker 2>him was after he was playing tennis or something outside

630
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:20.840
<v Speaker 2>and then he was trying to get back into the

631
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.800
<v Speaker 2>building and he was kind of covering his head. So

632
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.880
<v Speaker 2>but yes, we absolutely believe that Bill Watson because he

633
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 2>literally says one or two things like the entire movie

634
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't really make any sense for him to even be there,

635
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:44.039
<v Speaker 2>so it's like he's like an observer and it's highly

636
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 2>possible that he was just there at the hotel the

637
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>entire time.

638
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:53.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, actor is actually one of Kubrick's best friends, so

639
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.000
<v Speaker 3>he grew up with it, so.

640
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:57.440
<v Speaker 5>He got an easy job on that movie.

641
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he show he hired. He hired his friends a lot,

642
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:09.079
<v Speaker 3>the Little the Little Short Gladiator and in Spartacus that

643
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:11.400
<v Speaker 3>was another friend he grew up with, so he was

644
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.880
<v Speaker 3>always hiring his friends for little roles.

645
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.920
<v Speaker 5>What's your view on why the name of Grady changes,

646
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 5>because early on Allman refers to him as Charles Grady,

647
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.119
<v Speaker 5>and when he introduces himself to Jack in the bathroom,

648
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 5>he says he's Delbert Grady. So what do you think

649
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:28.679
<v Speaker 5>the first name changed.

650
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Hmmm, that's a really good question, because he did that

651
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 3>also in a Clockwork Orange, Alex as a name changed.

652
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:40.840
<v Speaker 7>His last name changes in the movie.

653
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 3>It was originally the author of the of the book

654
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 3>with Anthony Burry, it was it was his name is

655
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Alec Burgess, and then it's Alex something else when he's

656
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:56.119
<v Speaker 3>in prison. So but in both movies characters' names change,

657
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.320
<v Speaker 3>and it's.

658
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.000
<v Speaker 7>Really that's kind of a mystery. I'm not sure, because again.

659
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Stanley is such an attention to detail that you would

660
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:05.920
<v Speaker 3>think there's no way that he could make this mistake.

661
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 3>So it's just weird that the two mind Control movies

662
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:12.159
<v Speaker 3>that he may both have this weird name change, or

663
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:13.840
<v Speaker 3>one of the main characters.

664
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:18.519
<v Speaker 5>Right, So all these things that researchers have found in

665
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:22.239
<v Speaker 5>The Shining, such as your interpretation there, and what many

666
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:28.000
<v Speaker 5>other people have observed over the years, presumably Stanley's paymasters,

667
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.760
<v Speaker 5>the elites would have spotted some of this themselves, because

668
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, these guys are smart and they know stuff

669
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:38.760
<v Speaker 5>that regular folk don't. So I wonder if they would

670
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.280
<v Speaker 5>have been aware of some of these symbolic metaphorical elements

671
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.079
<v Speaker 5>in this film. But maybe back in nineteen eighty they thought, oh,

672
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.000
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't matter. People are too dumb, they're too profane,

673
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.199
<v Speaker 5>too ignorant to know what this stuff means. But they

674
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.639
<v Speaker 5>hadn't factored in the advent of the Internet and the

675
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.039
<v Speaker 5>availability to do research through it. So I wonder how

676
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.880
<v Speaker 5>much stuff they then self spoted but just let slide.

677
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.480
<v Speaker 7>I think a lot of it they let it slide.

678
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:08.159
<v Speaker 3>I think he was given away the game and both

679
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:12.719
<v Speaker 3>the clockwork Orange, the Shining full metal jacket, and even

680
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.760
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and one in Doctor Strangelove.

681
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.960
<v Speaker 7>So he was always playing fast and loose with the elite.

682
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Right, taking it all the way to the edge and

683
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.719
<v Speaker 3>then pulling back before he went all the way, and

684
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Speaker 3>he knew what he was doing. He was probably in

685
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:36.000
<v Speaker 3>some ways, how do I say this correctly? To me,

686
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:43.639
<v Speaker 3>every movie after Barry Lyndon is some kind of experiment,

687
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:48.880
<v Speaker 3>a psychological experiment, and he's using his ability to make

688
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:53.960
<v Speaker 3>films to make to do psychological experiments on the audience.

689
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:56.880
<v Speaker 7>And I think that he may have.

690
00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Been literally working for the man maybe after Barry Linden,

691
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:04.119
<v Speaker 3>that literally they came in and said, you're too valuable

692
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.440
<v Speaker 3>to just make Hollywood movies. We've got all these experiments

693
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.280
<v Speaker 3>we want to try, we want you to do it.

694
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 7>And they just feel like experiments.

695
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.400
<v Speaker 3>So Shining feels like experiment, eyes wide shut feels like

696
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:20.079
<v Speaker 3>an experiment, full metal jacket, this feel there's not regular

697
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:26.119
<v Speaker 3>movies at all, And it's just a strangeness about him

698
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:31.800
<v Speaker 3>that I cannot describe. But I really do believe that

699
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.440
<v Speaker 3>he was doing some kind of psychological experiment just because

700
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.599
<v Speaker 3>he was bored. I believe that Stanley Kubrick got bored

701
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:39.960
<v Speaker 3>after Clockwork Orange.

702
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.239
<v Speaker 7>That's my theory. He got bored.

703
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:46.119
<v Speaker 3>He wanted to make a costume drama period piece, and

704
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:48.280
<v Speaker 3>he did and he lost his ass on it. He

705
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:51.960
<v Speaker 3>lost like ten million dollars on Barry Linden. And so

706
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 3>then he was at his wits ends what to do,

707
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:58.599
<v Speaker 3>and he was studying the MK Ultra things that had

708
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 3>been announced in nineteen seventy five. And I believe that

709
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Warner Brothers tried to repeat the success they had with

710
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.719
<v Speaker 3>The Exorcist by giving a horror novel to type A

711
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:15.039
<v Speaker 3>director William Friedkin, and so they gave and by the way,

712
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Cubrick got offered the Extorcist too, and he turned it

713
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.920
<v Speaker 3>down and did Barry Lindon instead. And I believe that

714
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 3>he said, they kind of said nap after the after

715
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.079
<v Speaker 3>the debacle of Barry Lindon.

716
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:27.840
<v Speaker 7>I think it's time for you to do this movie.

717
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:29.480
<v Speaker 7>We want an A list.

718
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 3>Director working with the top horror novel and you're the

719
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.280
<v Speaker 3>guy who's going to do it. And Kuber's like, yeah,

720
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.480
<v Speaker 3>I'll do it, and he did it. And then as

721
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.840
<v Speaker 3>we show in the movie, he gave one script to

722
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 3>Warner Brothers and said this is what we're doing, and

723
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 3>then he completely rewrote the script while he was shooting,

724
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:46.440
<v Speaker 3>which nobody ever does.

725
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:50.000
<v Speaker 2>By the way, never do that.

726
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:52.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, you have to be you want your

727
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 3>script locked down solid before you even shoot one frame.

728
00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.320
<v Speaker 7>And but not Cubrick.

729
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Now he's going to keep rewriting and rewriting and rewriting,

730
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:04.559
<v Speaker 3>and nobody knows what's going on. He's changed the story

731
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.039
<v Speaker 3>so much Warner Brothers came on the set to observe

732
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 3>what was going on. The guys that I give up.

733
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what's going on here? Right, and

734
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.079
<v Speaker 3>so over and over and over. You know, Kubrick was

735
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:19.880
<v Speaker 3>just fooling him. And at the very end of the

736
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:23.559
<v Speaker 3>movie Life in Pictures The Story of Stanley Kubrier, a

737
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.800
<v Speaker 3>documentary about Stanley, they're interviewing Christiana Kuberic, his wife, and

738
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.719
<v Speaker 3>she said, uh, what's your He said, what's your fondest

739
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:36.440
<v Speaker 3>memory Stanley? And she said, uh, he will, he will

740
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.639
<v Speaker 3>look he'll he'll be involved in something and then he'll

741
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.920
<v Speaker 3>look at me and go still fooling them, right, And

742
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:43.679
<v Speaker 3>that was one of his main lines that he would

743
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 3>say to his wife, still fooling them.

744
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:48.400
<v Speaker 7>So, you know, he he was a trickster kind of

745
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:49.519
<v Speaker 7>in a way.

746
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.679
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, do you feel he went too far? Ultimately with

747
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:55.920
<v Speaker 5>eyes wide shut? And they often.

748
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:01.320
<v Speaker 7>Okay, so uh.

749
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.000
<v Speaker 3>In the late two thousand and one, I wrote my

750
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 3>essay on alchemical kubric about two thousand and one being

751
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.320
<v Speaker 3>really a movie about alchemy in the four Stages of Alchemy,

752
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 3>and I.

753
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 7>Got a phone call.

754
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.960
<v Speaker 3>I first I got an email and said here, my

755
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:18.679
<v Speaker 3>phone number wouldn't tell me who he was. I worked

756
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 3>with Stanley and it wasn't Leon Vitale. Leon Vitale is

757
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:24.519
<v Speaker 3>the guy that went searching for the hotels. This is

758
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:27.440
<v Speaker 3>another guy American. And I got on the phone with

759
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 3>him for like two hours, and he said that Warner

760
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Brothers had come to London to screen Eyes Wide Shot.

761
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Kubrick and him this guy were in the lobby.

762
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:39.079
<v Speaker 7>While they were watching it.

763
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 3>Kubrick had taken back up cigarette smoking and he was

764
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.039
<v Speaker 3>chain smoking, walking back and forth.

765
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:45.719
<v Speaker 7>And they're gonna kill me.

766
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.440
<v Speaker 3>They're like, I hate this film, right, and really nervous

767
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:49.920
<v Speaker 3>and everything.

768
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.800
<v Speaker 7>And then a guy came out. The movie ended, and

769
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:53.360
<v Speaker 7>the guy said.

770
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.000
<v Speaker 3>The guy came out and says, standing, come on in,

771
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:57.639
<v Speaker 3>and so Stanley went in and the guy could. The

772
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.599
<v Speaker 3>guy that was there telling me this didn't get to

773
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:00.400
<v Speaker 3>go in, but.

774
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:02.920
<v Speaker 7>He heard this huge argument going.

775
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:07.039
<v Speaker 3>On with everybody yelling and screaming and Kubrick yelling and screaming.

776
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:10.880
<v Speaker 3>And then Kubrick was dead five days later. I don't

777
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 3>know what happened. I know that you know, he was

778
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:17.239
<v Speaker 3>seventy two years old and he was cigarette smoking, so

779
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:21.760
<v Speaker 3>that could be. But the thing is is that his assistant,

780
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.960
<v Speaker 3>his chauffeur, wrote a book about Stanley Kubrick, and he

781
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:30.559
<v Speaker 3>said that only he and Stanley had keys to Stanley's

782
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:33.239
<v Speaker 3>inner den where he did all of his work.

783
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:35.599
<v Speaker 7>And he said when he came back from the funeral,

784
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 7>he walked.

785
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.559
<v Speaker 3>Into the Stanley's den and there was like twenty guys

786
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:43.079
<v Speaker 3>rifling through Stanley's all of his books and all of his.

787
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 7>Films and everything.

788
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:49.760
<v Speaker 3>They took filmed books, files unloaded like almost like Tesla

789
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:53.320
<v Speaker 3>when he died, and they filled a truck up with it.

790
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:56.519
<v Speaker 3>They never told this guy who they were and what

791
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:58.199
<v Speaker 3>they were doing there. And he said, I was the

792
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:00.360
<v Speaker 3>only guy that had a key beside Stanley.

793
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:01.599
<v Speaker 7>So how do they even get in?

794
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:04.480
<v Speaker 3>And of course I've been told by CIA that we

795
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.199
<v Speaker 3>could break into any place, you'll never know it. So

796
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.199
<v Speaker 3>I assumed that they were CIA. And why was the

797
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:14.079
<v Speaker 3>CIA be interested in Stanley Kubrick's work after he died,

798
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.840
<v Speaker 3>And maybe because he was doing other things for them

799
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:22.119
<v Speaker 3>that you know, you're not supposed to know about. I mean,

800
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 3>would you really let a director of the statue of

801
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:28.800
<v Speaker 3>Stanley Kubrick.

802
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.840
<v Speaker 7>Go to waste if you could use him.

803
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:33.760
<v Speaker 3>It would seem to me if you'd used him for

804
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:36.119
<v Speaker 3>the moon Landing, you're probably gonna use him for other

805
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:36.679
<v Speaker 3>things too.

806
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:42.000
<v Speaker 5>And apparently there was twenty odd minutes of footage from

807
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.239
<v Speaker 5>Eyes Wide Shut which never made the final cut. So again,

808
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:47.840
<v Speaker 5>nobody's ever going to see that, and we can only

809
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:49.199
<v Speaker 5>ever imagine what was in it.

810
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.159
<v Speaker 3>I was the leader of the lobby to get Warner

811
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.039
<v Speaker 3>Brothers to release that footage. I had over one hundred

812
00:45:56.079 --> 00:46:01.639
<v Speaker 3>thousand signatures from Brian to Palm signed it. Quentin Tarantino

813
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:05.400
<v Speaker 3>signed it. All these big weeks were signing this petition

814
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.559
<v Speaker 3>to release the twenty minutes that's been taken out, and

815
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Water Brothers basically said, no, we're not going to do it,

816
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.400
<v Speaker 3>So they'll never do it.

817
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:16.159
<v Speaker 7>You'll never see it.

818
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.239
<v Speaker 3>And I believe what was cut out of Eyes White

819
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Shot was Nicole Kidman going through an MK ultra operation

820
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 3>and becoming one of their sex kittens.

821
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:30.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, we do.

822
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Stanley Kubrick were really nice to Stanley Kubrick in this movie.

823
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I could have put a lot of things in there

824
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:41.599
<v Speaker 2>that would not have shown him in the best light.

825
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:45.400
<v Speaker 2>But we also know that Kubrick was for sure working

826
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:47.559
<v Speaker 2>with the government. We show a document in the movie

827
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 2>where you know, Kubrick is being sought after by the

828
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:54.159
<v Speaker 2>government for some unknown project where you know, Stanley Kubrick

829
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:58.840
<v Speaker 2>and four others are being looked at, and Stanley Kubrick is,

830
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, being looked at his most promising for this

831
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 2>unknown project. And then also at the original credits for

832
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.519
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one of Space Odyssey, he thinked many

833
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:15.079
<v Speaker 2>military organizations, the Air Force, Lingley, you know, all of

834
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 2>these intelligence communities, and then later on those were cut out.

835
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's pretty safe to say that Qubreaic, in one

836
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:27.559
<v Speaker 2>form or another did have contracts with the government. And

837
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:31.360
<v Speaker 2>we also show documents in the movie showing the CIA

838
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and the military's infiltration into film production like the Transformers

839
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 2>movie Tomorrow Never Dies and things like that. So they

840
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:44.920
<v Speaker 2>have been involved, and it stands the reason that you know,

841
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Cubic kind of put them in there originally in two

842
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.119
<v Speaker 2>thousand and one of Space Odyssey, and then someone seen it.

843
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:51.880
<v Speaker 2>It was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you

844
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:56.360
<v Speaker 2>can't be put in our organization, our military organization, and

845
00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>our intelligence community organization, names and the credits of your movie.

846
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.239
<v Speaker 2>He got to get those things out of there, so

847
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:02.920
<v Speaker 2>we cut them out.

848
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:04.079
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

849
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:11.119
<v Speaker 3>It's also interesting that the only that when Clockwork Orange

850
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:13.239
<v Speaker 3>came out, there was all this gang violence that was

851
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.559
<v Speaker 3>going on in England and America. And I actually saw

852
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.280
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of drugs in New York City walking down

853
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.719
<v Speaker 3>the street one day, dresses exactly like Alex and his drugs.

854
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 3>And Kubrick pulled a clockwork Orange from England. And first off,

855
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 3>a director doesn't have that power. A director can't pull

856
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.960
<v Speaker 3>a film. It's impossible. He's the studio.

857
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:36.239
<v Speaker 7>Owns a film.

858
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't own the film, And why would the studio

859
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.559
<v Speaker 3>pull the film from the place where the action is

860
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:43.679
<v Speaker 3>all taking place.

861
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:44.079
<v Speaker 7>In the film.

862
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:52.039
<v Speaker 3>And so my theory is is that there that Stanley

863
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:57.119
<v Speaker 3>Kubrick made a clockwork Orange knowing that it was going

864
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:04.800
<v Speaker 3>to create imitation crimes, and he was so afraid that

865
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.719
<v Speaker 3>how powerful the film was because there were a lot

866
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.960
<v Speaker 3>of incidences at the time, that he pulled the film

867
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:16.079
<v Speaker 3>in England so that he would be safe, well he.

868
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:17.280
<v Speaker 5>Would look like a good guy.

869
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.159
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, but again, I don't know.

870
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.199
<v Speaker 3>You know there was something about that film because I

871
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:27.599
<v Speaker 3>went to go see Clockwork Orange. I was a baby

872
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.199
<v Speaker 3>seventeen at the time, and I went to see it

873
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.719
<v Speaker 3>with a few of my high school friends. And we

874
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 3>were all just straight students, and you know, we like movies,

875
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:39.239
<v Speaker 3>but we weren't like criminals or anything. But after we

876
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:42.119
<v Speaker 3>saw a Clockwork Orange, two of the four of my

877
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:46.039
<v Speaker 3>friends turned into criminals, started going out and doing violence

878
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:49.679
<v Speaker 3>and robbing people and got arrested. And I always thought

879
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:53.280
<v Speaker 3>ever since, was a Clockwork Orange that triggered these guys?

880
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 7>You know what was it? And I'm not alone.

881
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:59.760
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people have noticed that the first time

882
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:03.280
<v Speaker 3>you hours of a Clockwork Orange, males mostly tend to

883
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:13.320
<v Speaker 3>become kind of adoring Alex and his actions. Here's the

884
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 3>thing about Clockwork Orange.

885
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:16.679
<v Speaker 7>You like Alex.

886
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:22.320
<v Speaker 3>Stanley Kubrick took a psychopath and made him likable, and

887
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:26.039
<v Speaker 3>that is almost an impossible chore right to do that,

888
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:29.719
<v Speaker 3>and he did it. And so you're cheering on Alex

889
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:31.880
<v Speaker 3>doing terrible things to people.

890
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Leading to the demoralization and the destabilization of countries, just

891
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.760
<v Speaker 2>like Ury Bezmanoff was talking about in the early eighties,

892
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.119
<v Speaker 2>which we have a clip of Ury bezman Off in

893
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.679
<v Speaker 2>our movie not talking about that exact thing. But if

894
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:49.719
<v Speaker 2>you were to go back and listen to all of

895
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.440
<v Speaker 2>his interviews in the early eighties, you will see that

896
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.480
<v Speaker 2>that is the exact same type of thing that they're

897
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:58.159
<v Speaker 2>trying to do. I mean, what he was talking about

898
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>back then is exactly what has been happening for decades now.

899
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:08.599
<v Speaker 2>The demoralization, the destabilization, the crisis, and then normalization. Those

900
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.559
<v Speaker 2>are his four steps to subverting an entire country. And

901
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 2>in the movie we talk about it. We show the

902
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:18.800
<v Speaker 2>clip where it's being infiltrated into the school system, because

903
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Kathie O'Brien is like, we've known about this, you know,

904
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.440
<v Speaker 2>for a really long time, and it's been infiltrated into

905
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:26.800
<v Speaker 2>the school system, and then boom up pops Jury besman

906
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:30.519
<v Speaker 2>Off talking about how if we pump Marxist Leninism ideology

907
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:35.400
<v Speaker 2>into the soft heads of students, then you know, the

908
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:39.559
<v Speaker 2>agenda is going to be complete in eighteen to twenty

909
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 2>years because those people that were pumping this information into

910
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 2>now are going to grow up to be the leaders

911
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:48.639
<v Speaker 2>and the people that are going to be creating policy

912
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:53.239
<v Speaker 2>and in control of education in the future, right.

913
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:58.199
<v Speaker 5>I saw a Clockwork Orange in ninety nine, So immediately

914
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:02.000
<v Speaker 5>after Stanley had died, that film was re released in

915
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:06.280
<v Speaker 5>the UK, so literally the minute he was gone, it

916
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:12.119
<v Speaker 5>was back on release in the cinemas. So yeah, and

917
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:13.760
<v Speaker 5>I went to see it when I was drunk with

918
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:15.920
<v Speaker 5>a friend and we just spent the whole time laughing.

919
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:19.119
<v Speaker 5>So I wouldn't do that now, but that was me

920
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:24.039
<v Speaker 5>and my irresponsible youth. So Ryder, how did you decide

921
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:28.039
<v Speaker 5>who you would include in your film to discuss the shining?

922
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:31.079
<v Speaker 5>So you've kind of got myself featured in there, and

923
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:33.880
<v Speaker 5>you two guys, and there's three others as well, So

924
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:36.199
<v Speaker 5>how did you decide who you would get to tell

925
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.039
<v Speaker 5>the story through their narration?

926
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, Walter Bosley because he was an AFSI Air Force

927
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.760
<v Speaker 2>special agent and he confirmed a lot of the things

928
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.239
<v Speaker 2>that we were mentioning in our film with the Air Force,

929
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, basically doing MK ultra type technologies, and then

930
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.239
<v Speaker 2>the Lookout Mountain Air Force base on top of Laurel

931
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Canyon that we talk about that as a focus of

932
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:05.159
<v Speaker 2>the movie. Kathy O'Brien because she's an MK Ultra monarch

933
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:12.079
<v Speaker 2>mind control survivor and in the movie, when Danny sees

934
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.280
<v Speaker 2>the twins, there's a poster on the wall to the left,

935
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.440
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I wasn't the first person to see

936
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:19.800
<v Speaker 2>the poster. I'm just gonna come out and you know,

937
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:23.360
<v Speaker 2>say that because I feel like that it's important and

938
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:26.280
<v Speaker 2>to be honorable in this work. I wasn't the first

939
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.199
<v Speaker 2>person to see the poster, but I was the first

940
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 2>person to decode the poster as an mk ultra style technology.

941
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Because everybody else on the side said that it was

942
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:42.400
<v Speaker 2>a minotaur, or that it was a ski resort, or

943
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:45.400
<v Speaker 2>was referring to Monarch Mountain. No one had put two

944
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:49.840
<v Speaker 2>and two together and thought, oh well, what about Monarch

945
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:55.760
<v Speaker 2>mk ultra mind control? And that's what really triggered me.

946
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:58.760
<v Speaker 2>When I seen that, I was like, holy shit. And

947
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.639
<v Speaker 2>then everything else started clicking afterwards, and then I'm finding

948
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.280
<v Speaker 2>other things in there, like the Catcher and the rye

949
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:06.880
<v Speaker 2>that when he was reading in the beginning, Jack doing

950
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:12.199
<v Speaker 2>psyche driving just like sir how Sir Holmes doing, and

951
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:19.039
<v Speaker 2>and yourself because Jay knew you. I did, wasn't I

952
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.000
<v Speaker 2>was familiar with your work. But I'm super happy that

953
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:23.599
<v Speaker 2>we got you in the film because I really think

954
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:26.880
<v Speaker 2>that it really brings everything together. It would be highly

955
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:33.800
<v Speaker 2>lacking if you weren't in their brother and Joe Outwell

956
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:35.760
<v Speaker 2>because of the Catcher in the Rye.

957
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Joe Atwell is the expert on the Catcher in

958
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.719
<v Speaker 3>the Rye. I've had many conversations about the book and

959
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:44.920
<v Speaker 3>realized that he had to be the guy that we

960
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.159
<v Speaker 3>got because he really has a great interpretation of this

961
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:50.840
<v Speaker 3>very nasty book.

962
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:54.400
<v Speaker 5>I learned a lot about the Catcher in the Rye

963
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 5>from Joe Atwill's inclusion there.

964
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:01.480
<v Speaker 10>Didn't know that stuff, no, And you know, I mean,

965
00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:06.280
<v Speaker 10>I personally think Catcher the Rye should be banned, and

966
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.519
<v Speaker 10>now they're making everybody read it in high school.

967
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:10.639
<v Speaker 7>And I don't think anybody should be reading this book.

968
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.880
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I'm not against banning books, so I'm

969
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:15.840
<v Speaker 3>not going to do it. But if there was one

970
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:17.639
<v Speaker 3>book that I could ban, it would be Catcher in

971
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:18.159
<v Speaker 3>the Rye.

972
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:23.159
<v Speaker 7>And and it's really not even a very good book.

973
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:27.159
<v Speaker 5>But it's mandatory reading in schools and colleges. Go figure

974
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:28.199
<v Speaker 5>has been for decades.

975
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know, I can't figure that one out, except

976
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:33.719
<v Speaker 3>that they're part of the mk Ultra program.

977
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.480
<v Speaker 7>It's like buzz an offset and.

978
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.159
<v Speaker 5>They want people reading that book.

979
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:40.320
<v Speaker 7>I want people to read it. They want people to

980
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:42.760
<v Speaker 7>get mired in that stuff.

981
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:48.440
<v Speaker 3>And you know, he's really a nasty person. What's his name,

982
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:53.079
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember his name anymore, you know, the title

983
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:54.360
<v Speaker 3>character of Catcher.

984
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:57.000
<v Speaker 5>In the Rye Holden Coolfield Field.

985
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's not even a very nice person. He's clearly

986
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:03.000
<v Speaker 3>sleeping with his sister who's twelve years old. He says

987
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:06.440
<v Speaker 3>it several times in the book, right, that he sleeps

988
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.639
<v Speaker 3>with in the double bed with her right, And you

989
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:14.320
<v Speaker 3>know it's like, okay, you're nineteen and she's twelve. Okay, right,

990
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:16.679
<v Speaker 3>And it's like over and over throughout the book. You know,

991
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:21.079
<v Speaker 3>he's just this weird stuff goes on. You know, he

992
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.679
<v Speaker 3>goes into the whole thing about he has a certain

993
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:26.360
<v Speaker 3>hat that he puts on and that's his people killing hat,

994
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:28.199
<v Speaker 3>and he goes around killing people.

995
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:32.400
<v Speaker 7>When he wears that hat, he's like, what what are

996
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:33.559
<v Speaker 7>you talking about? Right?

997
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:36.880
<v Speaker 3>And then only in the context of freemasonry and secret

998
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:40.039
<v Speaker 3>societies can you begin to unravel what's really going on

999
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.480
<v Speaker 3>and to Catcher in the Rye. And then you find

1000
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:46.599
<v Speaker 3>out that JD. Salinger was in the Oss precursor to

1001
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.599
<v Speaker 3>the CIA. He was in Germany at the end of

1002
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:53.679
<v Speaker 3>World War Two, probably debriefing the Nazi scientist for Operation

1003
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:56.639
<v Speaker 3>paper Clip. You know, all of a sudden, it all

1004
00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:59.599
<v Speaker 3>begins to work together, the Swastika on the Wall and

1005
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:04.400
<v Speaker 3>Catcher in the Rye and mk Ultra, and it all

1006
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 3>just to be. When we were first discussing this, because

1007
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:10.599
<v Speaker 3>I'd known about the Catcher in the Rye, I read

1008
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:14.239
<v Speaker 3>Joe at Little Stuff, and then I realized, my god,

1009
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:18.079
<v Speaker 3>he first time that you meet Wendy and Danny, she's

1010
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:19.159
<v Speaker 3>reading Catcher.

1011
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:19.480
<v Speaker 7>In the Rye.

1012
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.920
<v Speaker 3>My god, you know, she's like it. And it's probably

1013
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:25.719
<v Speaker 3>Jack's book. He's the writer, so he probably owns that

1014
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:28.079
<v Speaker 3>book and she's just borrowing it and reading it.

1015
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.360
<v Speaker 7>But still, what's amazing.

1016
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the Catcher in the Rye is another

1017
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:40.760
<v Speaker 2>demoralization and another destabilization of the population, and that's a

1018
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:43.719
<v Speaker 2>big reason why it's mandatory reading. I think the Holden

1019
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Cawfield within the book would be classified as like an

1020
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:53.039
<v Speaker 2>insul in today's times. That's what he kind of seems

1021
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:58.000
<v Speaker 2>like to me, is like in soul. He doesn't know

1022
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.440
<v Speaker 2>what's going on in the world. He's trying to find

1023
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.559
<v Speaker 2>his place in the world, and he's you know, it's

1024
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:11.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of like what a lot of these mass shooters are. Yeah,

1025
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and you think, yes, that's exactly right, you know.

1026
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:19.480
<v Speaker 3>And the two Catcher in the Rye assassinations happened within

1027
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:23.719
<v Speaker 3>one year of the release of The Shining Uh. John

1028
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Lennon's murder and the tempted assassination of Reagan.

1029
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.280
<v Speaker 5>That really is interesting timing, Yeah.

1030
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.679
<v Speaker 7>Really is. And you think about again, think about clockwork Orange.

1031
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:38.000
<v Speaker 3>And the the the uh, you know, imitation and criminals

1032
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:41.559
<v Speaker 3>running around both in England and America, right, and then

1033
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:45.280
<v Speaker 3>you have two guys that react to you know, that

1034
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:48.840
<v Speaker 3>are killing two major people, and they both got Catcher

1035
00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:52.320
<v Speaker 3>in the Rye on him. Mark David Chapman shot Lennon

1036
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:55.079
<v Speaker 3>six times and then sat down on the on this

1037
00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:58.159
<v Speaker 3>little rock bench and it just started reading it. And

1038
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:00.599
<v Speaker 3>the guy said, you just shot John and he goes, yeah,

1039
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:03.079
<v Speaker 3>I know. He goes, well, what are you doing? He goes,

1040
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:04.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm waiting for the cops.

1041
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:05.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1042
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.440
<v Speaker 7>So it's like, okay, okay.

1043
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.239
<v Speaker 2>And then the Corty stood up and said, if you

1044
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:13.559
<v Speaker 2>want my defense, all you gotta do is Recatcher in

1045
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:16.519
<v Speaker 2>the Rye. And then it's also said that I actually

1046
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:21.480
<v Speaker 2>have a book here called The one hundred Most Famous Criminals,

1047
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:26.280
<v Speaker 2>and it talks about him in there. And so apparently

1048
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:28.639
<v Speaker 2>a psychologist went to visit him in prison a couple

1049
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:32.039
<v Speaker 2>of years later, and the psychologist said that he was

1050
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:34.199
<v Speaker 2>still reading Catcher in the RYE.

1051
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:38.320
<v Speaker 5>Have you noticed that Mark Chapman and John Hinckley Jr.

1052
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:40.360
<v Speaker 5>Look very alike as well?

1053
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:41.119
<v Speaker 7>They do?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I was getting kind of confused, to be one percent

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00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:48.960
<v Speaker 2>honest Mark when I was making the movie, like because

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00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:51.199
<v Speaker 2>I had all the images and stuff all like kind

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00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:53.639
<v Speaker 2>of scrambled up, and I'm like, looking at.

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<v Speaker 5>Both of them, I'm like, very similar.

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00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.800
<v Speaker 2>He's the same guy, like, And I had to go

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00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:01.159
<v Speaker 2>back and check several times and like look it up

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01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:03.440
<v Speaker 2>to make sure I have Whenever we were mentioning Mark

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01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:06.320
<v Speaker 2>David Chapman and John Hinckley that I was getting the

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01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:09.519
<v Speaker 2>right people when we were talking about them, they look

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01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:10.599
<v Speaker 2>almost identical.

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01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:13.760
<v Speaker 5>And a young Stephen King looks quite like them as well.

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01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:17.679
<v Speaker 3>Mark David Chapman looks like Stephen King when who's like

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01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:18.599
<v Speaker 3>twenty years old.

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<v Speaker 7>That's yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Then there's other things about The Shining we don't mention,

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01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.960
<v Speaker 3>like one other movie has two of the leads have

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01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:30.880
<v Speaker 3>the same name as the person they're playing, Jack Nicholson

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01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:34.760
<v Speaker 3>as Jack and Danny as Danny. And then his co

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01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:39.280
<v Speaker 3>writer Diane Johnson has the D in the J as

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01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:43.360
<v Speaker 3>their initials as Danny and Jack have And you got

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01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:47.599
<v Speaker 3>to wonder did Kubrick hire Jack Nicholson because he has.

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<v Speaker 7>The same name as the character. There's something going on here,

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01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:53.400
<v Speaker 7>you know, just weird.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so your film has been out on Prime for

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01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:00.480
<v Speaker 5>what a couple of weeks now? So what sort of reaction,

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01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:03.079
<v Speaker 5>What sort of reactions have you had? What sort of

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01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.960
<v Speaker 5>comments have people been making? Have there been any surprise

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01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:08.199
<v Speaker 5>reactions to it at all?

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<v Speaker 3>One Bob gave me a bad review and you don't

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01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:14.159
<v Speaker 3>like me, clearly, But everybody else has just given us

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01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:16.599
<v Speaker 3>nothing but glorious reviews.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been overwhelmingly positive. And I think people are

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01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 2>shocked because they are expecting a movie about Stanley Kubrick

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01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:28.679
<v Speaker 2>and the Shining, which is the main focus of the movie,

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01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:32.480
<v Speaker 2>but it really ties in so many other things, which

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01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:36.159
<v Speaker 2>is a big nod to having you Mark in the documentary.

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01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:39.079
<v Speaker 2>It's not only about Stanley Kubrick and the Shining, but

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01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:42.840
<v Speaker 2>it's about the music industry of the sixties. It's about

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01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:47.159
<v Speaker 2>the film industry, it's about MK Ultra, it's about the military,

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01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:50.119
<v Speaker 2>it's about all these different topics that are all wrapped

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01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:52.000
<v Speaker 2>up into this movie. And I think that that is

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01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.320
<v Speaker 2>really shocking for a lot of people because some people

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01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:57.599
<v Speaker 2>they know a little bit about some of the topics

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01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.320
<v Speaker 2>that we cover in there, but the way that we

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01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.840
<v Speaker 2>present it is because I've had several people that have

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01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:06.079
<v Speaker 2>hit me up and they've been like that, I've been

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01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:09.239
<v Speaker 2>what I would be considered a week for like ten years,

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01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:13.920
<v Speaker 2>and I'm still shocked by watching your documentary. So it's

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01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:17.519
<v Speaker 2>really a testament to the people that are in the

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01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:20.360
<v Speaker 2>documentary and the information that we present.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you did a great job with it. Is it

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01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:25.880
<v Speaker 5>ever going to be available on DVD or is it

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01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:28.000
<v Speaker 5>exclusive to Prime like Ongoing?

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01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, supposedly our distributor is going to put it out

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01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:36.480
<v Speaker 3>on DVD. I don't know that they were going to

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01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:38.480
<v Speaker 3>do jk X and they never did it. So I'm

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01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:41.159
<v Speaker 3>going to really press this one to have it out

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01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:46.360
<v Speaker 3>on DVD. I want permanent, you know, permanent film, and

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01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:48.760
<v Speaker 3>you can't get that on streaming.

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<v Speaker 7>So the other thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll say before we go here is that I had

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01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:56.960
<v Speaker 3>a private showing here in my town with about ten

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01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:58.960
<v Speaker 3>people who went to see it, and then I had

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01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:02.039
<v Speaker 3>follow up conversation after they saw it, and they were

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01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:04.760
<v Speaker 3>all shook up. Every one of them was shook up.

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01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:08.400
<v Speaker 3>They're all, oh my God. And then I think what

1122
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:11.639
<v Speaker 3>we really did, which the most diversive thing we did,

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01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:17.920
<v Speaker 3>is we used a pop culture icon, Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece,

1124
01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:22.239
<v Speaker 3>The Shining, to reveal the truth about the MK Ultra programs.

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01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:24.639
<v Speaker 3>So people are going to go to see thinking they're

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01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:27.239
<v Speaker 3>going to see one movie, and they're actually going to

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01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:29.960
<v Speaker 3>come and get the normy kicked out.

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<v Speaker 5>Of them Stanley style.

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01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:33.519
<v Speaker 7>Stanley style.

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01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:36.519
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I kind of knew where you were going with

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01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.519
<v Speaker 5>it when I filmed my parts, but I didn't know

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01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:41.880
<v Speaker 5>how it was all going to come together. So when

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<v Speaker 5>I saw it with all the other contributors as well,

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01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:47.480
<v Speaker 5>I was also blown away. I was like, well, now

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01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:51.320
<v Speaker 5>I see the completion of what you thought you were

1136
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.280
<v Speaker 5>you done covered with this film, so it really all

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01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:56.360
<v Speaker 5>comes together in a mind blowing way.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you.

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01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's one of the things that even shocked me

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01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:06.039
<v Speaker 2>when I was watching the movie, because I watched it

1141
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.719
<v Speaker 2>so many times, and I'm sitting there thinking, I'm like,

1142
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:12.719
<v Speaker 2>holy shit, this is the reason why people can be

1143
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:18.159
<v Speaker 2>as amazing at whatever it is that they do, and

1144
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:21.119
<v Speaker 2>they'll never really get anywhere. That's another one of the

1145
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:25.960
<v Speaker 2>realizations from this movie too, Like you can be the

1146
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:28.480
<v Speaker 2>best singer in the world, you can be the best

1147
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:31.360
<v Speaker 2>freaking podcaster in the world, you can be the best musician,

1148
01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:33.480
<v Speaker 2>the best guitar player. But if you don't have the

1149
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.360
<v Speaker 2>right connections and the right people behind you, your family

1150
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:40.480
<v Speaker 2>isn't involved in the right things, you're not gonna make it.

1151
01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:44.840
<v Speaker 2>And that's a really big realization and one that hit

1152
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:50.280
<v Speaker 2>me really hard while I was making the movie. Oh shit,

1153
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:53.360
<v Speaker 2>this is the reason. This is why. So it's a

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01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.639
<v Speaker 2>I really hope people go out and support it because

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01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:02.000
<v Speaker 2>it's independent. We put this thing together all on our own,

1156
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:06.320
<v Speaker 2>and we know the Hollywood is slowly dying. It's been

1157
01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:09.920
<v Speaker 2>dead for a while now, and this is the new thing,

1158
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:14.920
<v Speaker 2>is independent filmmakers. And I hope people you can get

1159
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:16.719
<v Speaker 2>it on You should be able to get it in

1160
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:21.039
<v Speaker 2>the UK and in the United States, But if you

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01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:23.960
<v Speaker 2>can't get it on Amazon Prime, if you're in another

1162
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.239
<v Speaker 2>country that doesn't allow you to get it. It's also

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01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.199
<v Speaker 2>on Apple TV as well, so if your country allows

1164
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:32.199
<v Speaker 2>you to get Apple TV, you can watch it on

1165
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:36.199
<v Speaker 2>there and here. In a couple of months, we should

1166
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:39.079
<v Speaker 2>be getting it up to where everyone can be able

1167
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:41.280
<v Speaker 2>to watch it no matter what country they're in. But

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01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:43.400
<v Speaker 2>it is on Amazon Prime and Apple TV.

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01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:48.320
<v Speaker 5>So, yeah, were you surprised that Amazon took it because

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01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:51.559
<v Speaker 5>we're not talking normy material here, We're talking, you know,

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01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:53.440
<v Speaker 5>some pretty controversial stuff.

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01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I was not. I wasn't because I knew. I knew

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01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:02.519
<v Speaker 2>that Amazon was. I more surprised that they took JFKX

1174
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:05.800
<v Speaker 2>to one hundred percent. Be honest, I was more surprised

1175
01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:11.239
<v Speaker 2>with that one than than because it's coded in a

1176
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:15.480
<v Speaker 2>way that we're not actually outright telling you about these things.

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01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:19.920
<v Speaker 2>They're they're hidden within, like Jay was saying, like a

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01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:23.760
<v Speaker 2>pop culture icon within Stanley Kubrick and the Shiny So

1179
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:29.280
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of disguised as a And that's kind of

1180
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:33.079
<v Speaker 2>what we did with JFKX too, because in JFKX, the

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01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:37.199
<v Speaker 2>first forty minutes of the movie, it's just a history

1182
01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:42.280
<v Speaker 2>of the jfk assassination. It doesn't really reveal anything new

1183
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:46.159
<v Speaker 2>until forty minutes in, and a lot of people say that,

1184
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:49.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're going to talk about really controversial things,

1185
01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:53.079
<v Speaker 2>don't put it in until thirty minutes after on anything,

1186
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:57.559
<v Speaker 2>because the AI can't doesn't go past thirty minutes. So

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01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.679
<v Speaker 2>that's a trick, a technique for anybody out there that

1188
01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:06.239
<v Speaker 2>produces content like this or does movies or even YouTube

1189
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:09.800
<v Speaker 2>videos or podcasts. Try not to bring up anything controversial

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01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:13.159
<v Speaker 2>until after thirty minutes in because they won't be able

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01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.239
<v Speaker 2>to they won't be able to do anything about it.

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01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:18.960
<v Speaker 5>That's a good tip, all right, Phyllis, thanks for coming

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01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:20.239
<v Speaker 5>on today. Much appreciate it.

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01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:23.559
<v Speaker 7>Thank you man for having us really appreciate it. The

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01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:26.519
<v Speaker 7>buildings behind me with the headquarters for the World War

1196
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:28.760
<v Speaker 7>Two Office of Strategic Service.

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01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:32.039
<v Speaker 1>It was here that the first halting steps toward mind

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01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:32.920
<v Speaker 1>control began.

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<v Speaker 3>The ten years before Stanley Kubrick made The Shining, he

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01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:41.199
<v Speaker 3>made another film. There's a film about Micco All the

1201
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Clockwork Goorn.

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01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:47.320
<v Speaker 2>The Shining is one movie that has really been put

1203
01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.719
<v Speaker 2>through the ringer and one thing that people really don't

1204
01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:53.119
<v Speaker 2>notice that doesn't really make a lot of sense.

1205
01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:57.800
<v Speaker 3>All during the shoot, Kubrick is rewriting the movie.

1206
01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:01.679
<v Speaker 2>What we see here is Stanley Cue trying to encode

1207
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.480
<v Speaker 2>a secret meaning into The Shining that he doesn't want

1208
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:06.400
<v Speaker 2>anyone to know about.

1209
01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:12.320
<v Speaker 3>Kubrick has several references to Freemasonry in his films.

1210
01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:15.320
<v Speaker 2>There's a lady that walks past that has a bloody

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01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:17.600
<v Speaker 2>hamprint on her ass.

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01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:21.520
<v Speaker 3>The Shining is Kubrick's eleventh film, and there's elevens all

1213
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:26.039
<v Speaker 3>through the film. Eleven is a special number in occult theology.

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01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:28.960
<v Speaker 2>The Shining has been regarded as one of the greatest

1215
01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:33.560
<v Speaker 2>horror films ever made, but is it really a horror film?

1216
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:36.760
<v Speaker 3>The Shining also is loaded with sexual innuendo.

1217
01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:40.359
<v Speaker 2>The family is isolated up at the overlook, which is

1218
01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:46.159
<v Speaker 2>a perfect opportunity for some sort of CIA experimentation to

1219
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:47.000
<v Speaker 2>go down up.

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01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:57.920
<v Speaker 6>There, using mk ultra methods psycheatrically control, assassin literally assassins.

1221
01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:02.800
<v Speaker 6>Experimental drugs, including LSD were administered to human guinea pigs.

1222
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:06.439
<v Speaker 3>The patients were never told that their treatment was part

1223
01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:07.920
<v Speaker 3>of a CIA experiment.

1224
01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:12.800
<v Speaker 5>And there was this story which involves him spiking the

1225
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:16.680
<v Speaker 5>drinks of one of his deputies, this guy, Frank Olsen,

1226
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:21.159
<v Speaker 5>and he jumped out of a window to his death.

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01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:26.119
<v Speaker 9>It's a demonic possession, you know, so it makes someone

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01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:30.640
<v Speaker 9>feel like they don't have any control over this etherical

1229
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:33.720
<v Speaker 9>entity outside themselves, when really it's the people who are

1230
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:36.840
<v Speaker 9>imposing the trauma that need to be held accountable for

1231
01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:37.520
<v Speaker 9>the actions.

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01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Stuts.

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01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:44.279
<v Speaker 6>We know what happened in the apartment that they had.

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01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:47.119
<v Speaker 2>There are many clues that point to the fact that

1235
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:51.000
<v Speaker 2>this theory of what the Shining is really about is

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01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:52.079
<v Speaker 2>the correct theory.

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01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:55.760
<v Speaker 3>We think that we're watching a horror movie where ghosts

1238
01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:59.199
<v Speaker 3>are kind of forcing a man to go off and

1239
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:00.000
<v Speaker 3>kill his family.

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01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:02.359
<v Speaker 7>Wade, what are we really watching her?

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<v Speaker 8>Welcome to the Hotel California, Wendy, I'm home.