Speaker 1: It bothers me so much that gen Z is like,
you know, the prequels weren't that bad, and you're just like, no,
it's just because JJ Abrams trilogy and so badly does
not mean you got to go back to their prequels
and say that they were like competent movies.
Speaker 2: I have liked some of the prequels a little bit
more as times goes on, because they feel like one
thing watch with kids, lots of fun, okay, fair. Yeah.
The other point is I feel like Okri is pretty good.
I feel like the other thing is for me. I've
found ways to be like at one point, I'm never
gonna watch.
Speaker 3: Phantom Menace ever again.
Speaker 2: But then I realized that I really like leam Nissa
and its quai Gon and that's the only place I
can watch it. So there's certain things, and I think
it also helps with phones and other stuff because it's
like it's stuff all I.
Speaker 3: Don't like in this part. I'll pullp, do some work,
do something else.
Speaker 2: But it's like I love when Leam Neeson's squai Gon gym.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely parts of movies I like that. I'm gonna
watch the full thing. Yeah, watching anything with kids is great.
Like they a couple years go watch Spidering three and
I was like endgame level event because there's so many
characters and villains and everything. So yeah, that's high praise.
Or Spider Man three, I think like five and a
five and stuff like that. Here we are you going
to intro this. This is the dynamic deal slash.
Speaker 4: Rant rave, repeat.
Speaker 2: It. And I didn't prep them for that. So what
we're doing here is in honor of our ten Yeah,
there's camera.
Speaker 4: Do you have to look. You don't have to looking
to stare at you.
Speaker 2: You can stare wherever you are, just look off to
the side where.
Speaker 4: We how just monologue off the trees.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so what we're doing for the tenure, which
is August ninth, we're doing a ten hour stream. It
can go a little longer if you join our patren
or subscribe to or sends a super chat. We'll talk
about that closer to the event, but we're gonna be
doing ten hours. But as we've said before, on the
lead up to our ten year anniversary, we're doing an
episode every single spinoff show we've ever done so so far,
we've done Netflix and Fail me and Tay got continued
conversations going on.
Speaker 3: I'm sure Hunk Hunk.
Speaker 2: Will be back, but this is kind of doing a
two for at the same time because the first two
spinoff shows ever on the.
Speaker 3: Geek Frist feed were Rant Repeat and Dynamic Do It.
Speaker 2: Dynamic Duo was the com book centric show that's coming
for geek first kind of became comic centric and our
biggest episodes, and then Ran was just shooting the ship
talking about random stuff because I remember when we started
the podcast, like, I gotta get these guys on here,
and luckily, thanks to the GV crew, they let me
on here or let them on there, because they.
Speaker 3: Could have they could have blocked that, but they didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trusting as usual and I'm joined by uh,
you know this man you've seen maybe within the last
two years, but it's still been a little.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm Kyle Smid. Nice to be back again.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: And then this, sir, you want to introduce yourself, you
can give just one name. You don't got you a
fool name?
Speaker 1: No, I'm Liam Grogan's I can't remember the last time
we did this, and he was an oscar one.
Speaker 2: You me did an oscar one and then, like you said,
during COVID th year on afternoon, where you did watch
hub Halloween?
Speaker 4: You did maybe watch you Halloween.
Speaker 3: Here, here's a couple other I did.
Speaker 4: I did a couple after Nines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those are always fun. We did a couple
uh during COVID whber we watched The Day After Tomorrow?
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we reviewed that. It's one of our biggest
YouTube episodes of all times.
Speaker 4: Just really it all has a good.
Speaker 3: Theory that it's a very similar link to the movie.
Speaker 5: So he thinks that some people are clicking on it
thinking it's a movie.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the title it says day Like Tomorrow.
Speaker 4: It's just the best commentary track we put out.
Speaker 6: You will find they're like like twenty minutes in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's don't really seen much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fine, so somethings we did.
Speaker 2: Like eighty thousand people have watched that video. Damn talking
about Day After Tomorrow. And that was like him or
why we were just hanging out. We did a retrospective
for COVID times COVID.
Speaker 3: We're just doing much rams. There's no content, we're just
talking about it off air.
Speaker 2: But yeah, eight dozen people have clicked on that video
and you know, hopefully enjoyed it. Hope they didn't. You
know other big videos I Am Wrath. You remember that movie?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's another one.
Speaker 3: I think it's religious and ever seeing.
Speaker 4: That John I Am Wrath, Oh you need to watch it.
Watch I was drunk and whatnot, but I could do that.
Speaker 2: So what we're gonna be in today's're gonna talk about
kind of because it is a ten year we're gonna
kind of reflect on, you know, twenty fifteen and now
where we are in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: With Calm Films and the box office.
Speaker 2: And also this used to be running joke because we
started this in twenty fifteen and then we went for
about two years and Liam left and you were in sporadically.
But around as we just someone offer around that time,
Lee was like, oh ah, that superhill fatigue is gonna
come and me o, Kyle will tell him no, no, no,
And it didn't happen then, and then it didn't have
it for the next few years. And then after COVID
superhero films were huge because it was like, oh, we
can go back to the theaters, so no way a multiverse, madness,
the Batman, we'll get that. But now, finally, you know,
Lean might have been a little land of the prediction,
but we can talk about what superhero fatigue means and
see where these guys are, because you know, Kyle, even
the other day, at first you're like, I'm not seeing Superman. Yeah,
and you text me like, is it worth it?
Speaker 5: You know here, I am going to see it tomorrow?
Speaker 4: Nice? Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: All right? Is that word of mouth if you've heard
other people say it's good?
Speaker 6: No, I just took your word for it, okay, Yeah,
and then another mate's word for it as well too.
Speaker 2: Two people.
Speaker 1: You know, I think, like may be making money at
the box office, but I don't hear anybody talk about
them anymore, and have not for like a good after endgame,
it felt like it felt like the normy's stopped being like,
oh we got to see this now.
Speaker 4: Now it's just like, yeah, all right, we go see it.
Speaker 3: Well we did talk about is what it is?
Speaker 2: Frimore, that's true too, right, We're just talking to the
same group of people over and over, but I have
I think it's even in general. But no, before we start,
just gotta thank these two gentlemen right here because you guys,
you know we could go on the first you guys
took your time and you guys around the area where we're.
Speaker 3: Just a small little fish. We're not like a big fish.
We're like a maybe like tadpole in the next thing.
Speaker 4: But you know you hear a good sized salmon in
the ocean. Yeah, so you.
Speaker 2: Know, you guys help build this and you guys for
a lot of the OG fans were pretty excited when
we know as we're doing a spin off episode like
bringing them all back is there's you know, we got
lots of new people that joked on either during endgame
or the Batman. It always happens a bunch of times,
but those are two biggest ones. But there's still we
got people around that you know, Carl hands and still
listened from like the very first few days and whatnot.
Speaker 3: So I want to have them.
Speaker 2: I got to thank you guys for you know, hanging
out and doing this with a couple of times. And
it's great to do this this time because we haven't
seen you know, I see you. No, I'll say this.
Kyle's harder to get a hold of now that he's
in Colonna's Australia. I had send a message to make
plans Australia. Get back to me quick, Colowna. It takes weeks.
Leave literally, I will show you, like.
Speaker 3: I'll pull up the receipt.
Speaker 2: I just like gift after gift just to get an attention.
I feel like I'm a girl that's got ghosted by
traps twelve where I.
Speaker 3: Don't even know who you are here and stop talking
to you nice and see if I can like, uh where, oh,
here we go.
Speaker 2: Wait, there's gonna be one of these where.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had relationships like this too, I feel like
one person is trying more than the other.
Speaker 2: And send a video to.
Speaker 3: Uncle Kaya text back.
Speaker 4: It was low.
Speaker 6: It was so low, just sitting on a toy of
being like all right, I think like text it within
like five minutes, trying to make plans.
Speaker 2: But no, like I said, you guys were here at
the beginning. When we were we joked about we just
using the yetie mic you know stuff. So a big
thank you guys, thank you for ting your time on
doing this again.
Speaker 1: I flew in from the East Coast just for this, exclusively,
just for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every people do it online.
Speaker 4: I had to do it in person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we wellly have no excuse. We should probably try
and do these more because we've online is now all
we do pretty much. But we are here, so we're
going to talk about that. But Liam, for people that
haven't seen you, well, how's life been?
Speaker 4: It's been good?
Speaker 3: He we have your full person.
Speaker 2: You can give whatever details you want, but just why.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I've traveled a lot.
Speaker 1: I've moved all over the country doing various things, and yeah,
it's been fun. I've got to explore like a lot
of the world and meet a lot of really interesting people.
Speaker 4: Uh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's funny when you say, like, how's life and then
you're like you can think of like everything, and you're like,
I think that's all right.
Speaker 4: I mean, but like you don want to be like
what are you doing? I don't know, watch movies, playing
video games? I keep working out.
Speaker 2: Just good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, life's good. I have absolutely no complaints.
Speaker 2: I love you, Kyle.
Speaker 4: Life's great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, same, you know, just living life and doing the grind.
Speaker 1: Really, if you actually, if you ask me that question
in January, I probably have a different answer for you.
Speaker 4: In this summer, my mood is considerably better.
Speaker 3: Well, that's good.
Speaker 2: So that's a little life of dates. You know, everyone's
doing well, everyone's doing healthy. But uh yeah, in the
past ten years, honestly, a lot has changed. When we
started Geek first, that was the height of it's of
a war popping.
Speaker 3: Off, you bbs.
Speaker 2: And now we're in a whole different space with Man
of Steel to Superman because it's talking about this lea before.
It feels like it's kind of swapped like the you know,
lots of big Snyder fans not a fan of this,
where the people that didn't like that like this. So
I think you're gonna I think you're gonna like why what?
So just the two people because Kyle, originally when I asked,
I'd be like, no, I'm not seeing that way. Why
because I feel like you were out on Superman living.
Speaker 6: I think maybe just because of Man of Steel that
I didn't really like it, that I just didn't want
to it.
Speaker 5: I want, Yeah, I know, but it's still like really
freshed my mind.
Speaker 4: It feels like.
Speaker 1: No, sorry I was twelve, Sorry no, but still that's
like it doesn't it's God damn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would really mess with perception of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything time? Why is it, Yeah, happened and.
Speaker 6: Crazy, no, I think, But then I've heard some good
things about it, like from what you said and what
my other friend has said as well too, and kind
of convinced. I'm interested And we'll see where the storyline goes,
because it also opens up new doors of you know,
more characters and something different than what we've been getting.
Speaker 2: Hopefully, Yeah, you are you are you wanting to jump
into another universe if you like this? You know that's
what they're trying. They dabbled the DCU did work out
lots of that. There a noo, they're trying again. You
ready to be like, oh yeah.
Speaker 6: I think I'll give it a shot, just because I
feel like with Marvel, I feel like it's been kind
of like copy paste and and maybe hopefully this will
be a bit different, because I think this is kind
of coming more from I enjoyed Batman so much with
Robert Pattinson that I'm like, well, if that was good,
Hopefully this is in like the Superman movies, more in
that realm type style you like.
Speaker 2: James Gunns, did you ever see Peacemaker?
Speaker 4: No, it didn't. Thought this is a pretty solid actually
is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you see the su Said Squad.
Speaker 4: Yeah it did you like that? It wasn't too bad?
Speaker 3: It's right, that's almost everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I think it's like a fine movie.
But I think you'll enjoy this. You like James Gunn stuff.
I think you might have some issues on some stuff,
but I think the most part you're gonna you're gonna
like it and stuff. Good Liam, you're seeing The Superman
anytime soon?
Speaker 4: I might, but like, I'm not gonna rush out to
see it.
Speaker 2: So since I'll ask you, guys both since to let's
say COVID, let's see twenty twenty, can you name the
calm films you've seen?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, but probably on one hand, the Batman, Yeah,
we'll get the Suicide Squad may sound like an idiot.
Speaker 4: I gotta say it, like, does the does the.
Speaker 1: Snyder cut count that?
Speaker 4: Okay, the Snyder cut?
Speaker 2: Did you watch that?
Speaker 4: He had to? I had to. I want to know
what they cut. I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to know that that weird dream sequence was although, yeah,
that was the whole thing too.
Speaker 4: So yeah, right, did.
Speaker 2: You watch any of the Thors? Because you were a
big Thor guy.
Speaker 4: But no, I gave up after Thor Love and thunder right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, uh, yes, Okay, I didn't see the
one with Christian Bale. Okay, now you can go back
onto this podcast because the exact arc that they do
and that with Gore the God Butcher is one of
my favorite com books of all time.
Speaker 4: Love it. I knew they were not going to do
it justice. I actually quite like.
Speaker 1: But you could tell he did not want to do
that movie and it do you remember like.
Speaker 2: The he wanted to do it? I think he just
wanted to do something too different with that movie.
Speaker 4: Like you didn't want to I think that's a generous interpretation.
Speaker 2: I wanted to direct it, but not any Christmas where
they said like they went a little.
Speaker 3: Too far with the colonies.
Speaker 4: I think they Yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Just want to make like a similar to Paris. Even
though we'll say that Jane Foster cancer stuff, they played
complete serious. There's no jokes, which I appreciate, lots of field,
like think that's one of the worst comic movies all
the time.
Speaker 4: I still that's not true, because we've seen some stinkers.
Speaker 3: I still think it's true.
Speaker 2: No, people don't know what they're talking about it and
like the cancer stuff's played completely straight and that stuff's
actually I think pretty good.
Speaker 3: I still think Hampsworth and that Port have like the.
Speaker 2: Best chemistry, but they do have this really fun Did
you see Love and Thunder? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 2: I like thee this montage, you remember the montage before
they broke up. It's kind of like Thori's like.
Speaker 3: Getting bored being at all.
Speaker 2: Like they're watching TV and they're going on TV dates,
but them he's leaving because he's being a super air
what he does and he's getting bored. So there's some
stuff there. But yeah, look at the internet, people think
it's like one of the worst things ever.
Speaker 4: But I didn't even see actually speaking of at the
Last Guardians.
Speaker 3: Wow, I liked Last gard was quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I think I saw a wonder Woman too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, another Moment movie though, when that's going on.
Speaker 4: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: That was like one of those ones where like nothing
else was on it. I was like, all right, what's
the worst it could be?
Speaker 4: Well, then it turns out it was that that movie
was awful.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that went straight to HBO Max remember
oh no?
Speaker 1: And then uh okay, so if I saw the Snyder cut,
would that been Justice League too?
Speaker 3: It's just Justice League.
Speaker 4: It just Justice League.
Speaker 2: It's Zack Snyder's Justice League.
Speaker 1: Oh and okay, so I saw that and then I
unfortunately I also saw Black Panther two.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately you didn't like blad Panther two.
Speaker 1: I liked all the three movies that were in that
one movie, but not altogether.
Speaker 2: But do you not like I like? First of all,
I think I still like the mo a role get
like a round a nine or something.
Speaker 4: Do you not like you kid a nine?
Speaker 2: I love bro.
Speaker 1: They took a singular ship to go fight in all
water based army.
Speaker 4: Would just stab them over the side. It's a landlocked country.
What was your fear?
Speaker 3: And they you can't. It's kind of like the Ledger thing.
Speaker 2: But that he got kind of a.
Speaker 3: Bad hand del too.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm sure it would have been better
if Chadwick Poseman was still around.
Speaker 4: He was fantastic as black people.
Speaker 5: That movie was having to be like what acknowledge?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do we do with Chadwick not here?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So yeah, and like that part was fine, but it
just felt like there was like three different movies in there,
and those three movies didn't really talk to each other.
Speaker 4: It was disjointed it past.
Speaker 3: So out of those ones you have seen, Yeah, is
there any that you've liked?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: I like The Batman.
Speaker 1: I didn't love the ending, Yeah, but like I did
actually quite like it. I think Robert Patson was a
great bat Man. Paul Danna was awesome, but I wanted
I just wanted more of him. Yeah, Like I didn't
think that they totally used him as well as they
could have, because I thought he was really good.
Speaker 4: Cat One was okay, really, it's just fine.
Speaker 3: It was a great I'm saying she's a fighter, but yeah.
Speaker 1: She was okay, Like she was good at what she was.
Oh does the Penguin TV show count? Because that was awesome?
Speaker 2: Count?
Speaker 4: That was fantastic? Do you see that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: That show?
Speaker 1: So if there's gonna be win now, and I might be,
they know it's what it is. Especially that was good.
Besides that, I think that's it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, I like the peng One. I liked
the conversation around Justice League. I didn't like that movie,
but yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't like that cut eh No, but.
Speaker 1: It was like I enjoyed actually talking about it with people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Because better than the original cut if you ever saw.
Speaker 4: That, Oh yeah, no, I thowt the original one too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Josh Whedon one was it was terrible because
you could tell which scenes weren't Josh Whedon based on
the jokes, and it was like.
Speaker 2: And I'll say that's something where Leen was wrong for
men about super fatigue. But I remember I think your
your maybe last dynamic duo before you moved. Was that
the horrible week when Snyder got moved off and then
they bought Johnson And I was excited because I didn't
love the DC stuff, like I'll be a good.
Speaker 3: Turn of the turn turn around we go all it
could be a bunch of corrupt divisions.
Speaker 2: I remember you saying that. When I watched that movie,
I was like, oh yeah, he was right, mash two
directors and stuff. It didn't work out. I actually just
watched a Snart cut in the last two weeks because
it's four and a half hours, so it's like Artlee's Space.
Speaker 3: But I watched a lot of like DC stuff because
Superman got me.
Speaker 2: And I've actually been kicking tires while watching Smallville because
it's on time. I seen it the whole way through.
But I can ask Kyle the same thing. What does
it take you now? Too? Because I remember, yeah, twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen, you were starting to like you're just it
did feel like we were self air. You were made
way for a game, and then you're gonna check out
what makes you now? Go see a Colm book movie?
Like what is it like? Trailers cash directors, like what
is it now? When you're more on the rope since,
you know, since we started this podcast, because back day,
from ID say twenty fifteen to about twenty seventeen, we
saw everything together.
Speaker 3: You know, it don't matter what it was, we were there.
You know.
Speaker 1: I'd also say that, like I still enjoy comics, yeah,
and like, uh, like I'm really excited. I love the
Spider Man games. For example, I really wish they would
do something with the Arkham Knight franchise.
Speaker 4: Like I still like the properties. This is I'm not
like squad No, I didn't because I.
Speaker 1: So I like the properties. I'm not like ragging on them.
I found the movies just became a little too formulaic,
and it was like I kind of know what's gonna happen. Yeah,
and when we first started doing this, you know, we're like, oh,
they're actually gonna take like two or three different comic
book storylines and they're going to mash them together to
make like a really solid story.
Speaker 4: And that kind of work.
Speaker 1: But now I've gotten to the point where, like almost
all the best ones have been adapted at this point,
whether or not they've been good or not. Because you
remember when we went to go see, uh, what was
the animated Batman? Yeah, the killing joke, right of like
where you're like, why did you do that? It's just like, Okay,
if you're gonna do something new, I'll go see it.
So like directors, I don't like for Marvel, I don't
know how much directors even matter at this point.
Speaker 2: So like the one you didn't see, but it did matter,
not to like an amp degree, but like a little
not a little bit, I'd say, not to like he
took it over. But when Sam Raimi directed Doctor Strange,
you could find Sam.
Speaker 4: Raimi was I actually forgot that movie came out?
Speaker 1: If you actually put a gun to my head, like
too many Doctor Strange movies were there, I don't think
i'd get the answer right.
Speaker 2: You might hate this because like Scort said, he would
say this, but he like I feel like it's a
fun like Halloween roller coaster type movie. It's just him
popping around different dimensions, doing scary stuff, fighting scart which
I enjoyed it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're all fine movies, Like I don't
think any of them have been outright bad, but like
the ones.
Speaker 2: One you've seen, though, there's some bad stuff. You you
tapped out right before the Sony Marvel era started.
Speaker 4: I refuse to see Venom and Morebius.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen either of those.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: I know, it's not that's a fever dream. Craven's not real.
He can't hurt you.
Speaker 2: I've still not seen Craven, I think, really, yeah, because
I was on pat leave at the time, I've not
seen that.
Speaker 4: And Fat Russell Crowe and it is his dad, his.
Speaker 2: Dad, and yeah, the you know with j Johnson, I
don't like in leading roles like that. I think he's
a better character actor, like when he's in Bullet Train.
Speaker 4: Did you see twenty eight later?
Speaker 2: You see that.
Speaker 4: I loved him that, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: That was the first time that I've seen Well One.
I think it is the first time he's had his
actual accents in it.
Speaker 3: Well not for Autu as well. He had his accents.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, fair, all right, you see Front No,
it's really good vampire movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely good war movie. You saw a horror movie.
Speaker 6: I can't think of it because probably I wouldn't even count.
What twenty eight days later that count?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you saw Nope, right, because I feel like
you like, yeah I saw Nope.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like ding peel stuff. Yeah, nope.
Speaker 4: Is that one with a chimp?
Speaker 3: There is a chimp?
Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: But because I always get I was it's that and
then US, I always get them mixed up because get Out,
I'm like, I know get Out but Nope and US.
Speaker 4: Are like, yeah, did you ever see Nope? Yes, I both.
I really liked it. Yeah, I'd say it's his worst film.
Speaker 1: Nope, yeah's best. No, I think it's I think it's
get Out. Actually think it just goes in order get
out US.
Speaker 2: It feels that I just have issues with the the
third act of get Out. I feel like the main
character gets really dumb just so he can get kidnapped,
or the whole movie you get very smart and with it,
and then well I'm just gonna start like the doors
right there. But he's like, I'm just gonna walk really
just it'sn't picky stuff. Yeah, fair enough better over time.
So okay, so yeah for d C. Yeah, because mom
and not gonna get directors. So it's something so super
he said, you might see Why might you see that?
Speaker 1: Honestly, this is the same thing as you. I've never
heard a single person talk about a compook movie. And
I'm not I'm not even kidding, Like after Endgame, I
found it like unless they're like you guys that I know,
or I have a couple of other friends that like
really watch it. Besides that, like I think the Averagers
they might even see it. But nobody's like, you gotta
go see that movie.
Speaker 5: You didn't see Spider Man Homecoming?
Speaker 4: Is that? No?
Speaker 2: No, no, you just don't ever seeing that now.
Speaker 5: What you're kidding?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 4: It was amazing in theater? You don't what?
Speaker 1: And I really like Spider Man. What's the first animated one?
It's not into the Spider versus.
Speaker 2: It's into the Spider Verse, into the.
Speaker 1: Spot into that's fantastic. Yeah, that's amazing that one. Yeah,
and I didn't see the second one yet, oh my god.
But I've heard that one's also fantastic, so it's like
on my list but just fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, life happens knowing home though, because he's not gonna
see theater. Maybe when. But that was like the first
real big movie after COVID, Like during COVID that was
like that was when the full theater is backed aloud
and that was like that and I still like it.
It's like it's fun seeing them interact and stuff.
Speaker 1: So but super once it got to the Multiverse, that's
when I really started checking out.
Speaker 3: A lot of people did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, problem, it's it's tough. A lot people did. But
if you look at the Marvel movies, their biggest movie
since COVID have been the Multiverse movies. It's been their
biggest one. Sperman No Way Home, and then it's Definitiil
Rain and Multiverse Man it's the top three. Because I
always thought that in the bubble of the internet, so
many feel be like I'm done with the Mali verse
blah blah, But I actually don't think the general audience
feels that way because they get to see the old
time where it's like it's like yeah, Hugh jackmane. So
for us it's like, oh, people die, they come back.
We're doing this again. But the biggest films for Marvel
have been when they do this multiverse stuff, and really
that's what's happening now. You got at least event the
next two Avengers are. Are you gonna be that's.
Speaker 3: My super You're not gonna be there right now? So
if they I guess no, he didn't say no.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like you you see a post for Secret
Wars and it's Toll Maguire and Hugh Jackman to get.
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: You don't give a fuck. That's your childhood right there.
And he still had the goods in Deadpool Wolverine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he still is awkward on Deadpool Wolverine, just
as like a slight aside.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that too, I did.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I was right. I didn't see that one.
And I did actually kind of enjoy that one. I
didn't love Deadpool in that. I actually thought he was
the weakest part of that movie. Uh, he was good,
but like I thought, Hugh Jackman, I was a little
mad because I liked Logan so much and I was
kind of like it was a perfect end for that character.
Speaker 4: MM.
Speaker 1: I know you got so much money to be in
this movie. I can't hate you for getting a bag. Yeah,
so I was kind of nervous, but he I thought
he was fantastic. But I I actually just rewatched it
a couple of.
Speaker 4: Days ago with my parents.
Speaker 1: My parents have seen I'm gonna say sixty percent of
the superhero movies that have come out since like twenty ten,
sixty Yeah. I mean they don't watch it like new,
but you're like, oh, hey, do you see this one?
Speaker 4: All right, we'll watch this.
Speaker 2: One like oh, because they're put all these fucking Komba movies.
Speaker 4: That's true. There's like two of you.
Speaker 5: Maybe he's talking about like up to twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're definitely not watching ant Man three, But like
half the jokes in that movie.
Speaker 4: We literally did a podcast on this, Like I I've
seen a lot.
Speaker 1: Of these and I was like, oh, yeah, if you
weren't paying attention to absolutely everything, I like to quote
an Inside Baseball right before you started recording, I, Yeah,
how the fuck are you supposed to get some of
these jokes like Channing Tatum as Gambit, or like Electra
being a terrible movie? Hey, kids, do you remember that movie.
They came out ten years before you were born. Yeah, no,
I mean you don't like things like that, that's a yeah,
I don't know. I find it weird too, that like
they were bringing back Xavier and Magneto, but like not.
Speaker 4: The new ones. We tried to restart the universe, rite
the original dudes.
Speaker 2: What I'd like Fastpenner back of Boy, but I think
they they do too. I think you'd get more money
with the McKellen and Stewart and plus, like there's always
time to bring those guys back, where Stuart and McKell
I'm not trying to.
Speaker 4: Be mean, it's just there's like, hey, there's a time limit.
Speaker 2: Time Yeah, right, you can only bring them back so
much like Nobody's ever dead, every.
Speaker 3: Cavill they can bring back in twenty years.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be right.
Speaker 1: Although I find it funny that comic book movies have
essentially done what comics did of like Nobody's ever dead,
Everybody's just coming back, nothing matters. Okay, why I might
see Superman two is that it's not connected to anything. Yeah,
because part of it was defan one.
Speaker 3: They made Superman two yet.
Speaker 1: So okay, But like, I mean, I didn't watch any
of the Marvel TV shows. Yeah, and I know some
of the movies like oh did you watch it? Like
did you watch Wanta Visions? Like no, I don't like Wanda,
So like I wasn't gonna watch that show.
Speaker 3: You are you would have changed your mind?
Speaker 1: Want you'd be surprised how bitter I am.
Speaker 4: No, But like.
Speaker 2: It's like Olson, like when they do those memes that
trends some time, like the best people looked on Scree
also in that show multiple times is looking like a.
Speaker 3: Very good specimen.
Speaker 4: I'd be fair enough, but like aween episodes, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1: Watch like another I don't know what twenty hours of
TV to watch a movie.
Speaker 4: It's like I guess you don't have to whatever, but like, no.
Speaker 2: You didn't have to.
Speaker 3: That was the problem.
Speaker 2: This is who Okay, here's the thing that like to
update you on that because you've seen I feel like
the show's kind Yeah.
Speaker 4: I would say fifty the shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the issues would happen. So they did,
like Ball Biger, he was the president of our CEO
of Disney.
Speaker 3: He left, they replacing a new guy.
Speaker 2: But they had this plan because after COVID it made
sense of we want to put as much stuff on
Disney Plus as possible because for two years the theaters
were closed, right, and they can make no money. So
it's like, well, let's put everything on streaming because that
might be a only so sort of income if like.
Speaker 3: Theaters die out.
Speaker 2: And I thought I agreed with their plan, not that part,
but I agreed their plan of they were going to
make the shows.
Speaker 3: Important, like yeah, what was gonna be?
Speaker 2: The Big Bad King got introduced in the LOWK TV show,
which I thought, oh, that's cool because that makes you
actually feel like these shows matter, right, And same thing
with Wanda. They introduced that she has kids in Wanda
Vision and that's a big plot point in Doctor Strange.
But that ended up, I think being the problem is
not enough people did do both, and that people were
there's movie fans and there's TV fans, and that's why
now literally the reports are that they're going back to
like Marvel Netflix, where they're gonna do like smaller characters
or street characters that don't connect because they found out
and I like, I think it was worth a try
because if it would have to me, that made.
Speaker 3: Those shows important.
Speaker 2: But clearly it didn't work, and if it would have worked,
you would have been laughing in the bank. But the
other thing is they made too much. That was the
thing where they went from having two movies a year
two we got four movies a year.
Speaker 3: We've got three shows.
Speaker 2: And the only way you can do that is everything
is like Endgames, Civil War, Avengers quality, like everything has
the bang, and you couldn't at that point because they
made so much of it. So now the TV shows,
I think they're gonna do like one to two a
year maybe, and that.
Speaker 3: They're really not gonna connect that.
Speaker 2: And then like Daredevil is just like did you finish
their Devil?
Speaker 4: I'm halfway through it, but I'm enjoying it so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah. There it goes back to being like it's a
show with crime stuff, you know. So yeah, even though
they are have you heard that Punishers in the next
spieri Man, No, John Berthol, He's going to spier Man.
Speaker 4: Nobody's ever never you never die.
Speaker 3: You never died. He was always suck in the Netflix
Marvel stuff.
Speaker 4: But now he's yeah, okay, he's getting the call.
Speaker 3: It's like college to the big leagues now.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure that Brenks truck that backed up in
front of his house is something special and it's you
know home.
Speaker 2: They did put Charlie Cox in that Spierman movie too.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you heard him on that did they?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, my gosh, Peter Parker's lawyer, he got him
out of prison.
Speaker 1: It was he actually two scenes Okay, all right, It
was more like he just played lawyer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's meant to be Patio one can get to.
It was more like to confirm he was coming back
at Stoepyl Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: For a while after Netflix, there was like a they
had the rights to a while.
Speaker 2: So they were in this weird situation where Marvel could
make it Daredevil project, but it couldn't be Charlie Cox.
Oh they wait, and they did wait a while, and
then they got back. So yeah, we got some wow
wind going on, so you here. But good thing is
we got wind breakers. But I was gonna ask so Superman.
Speaker 3: Sorry I cut off, why might you see?
Speaker 1: It's not connected to anything. I can go in and
I can watch you. No, but it's a one off kind.
If I enjoy it, all right, I'll stick around.
Speaker 2: But I don't think you're gonna like this movie, I say,
there's lots of not one off there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's not like you had to like watch
eight different movies and TV shows in order to understand
what's happening.
Speaker 1: Superman's one of those characters too, Like he's been around
for one hundred years. I have read I don't know
how many versions were. What if Superman's evil? What if
he's good? What if like Batman's evil? Like, all right,
I get it, there's a thousand things. It's not like, uh,
this interpretation is not my interpretation of this character. Yeah,
he's literally been fucking everything. Like when he started. I
was watching like a retrospective on Superman whatever a couple
of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: I think when he started, he.
Speaker 1: Was just like beating up like criminals and corrupt politicians,
and then there's the Cold War and then it was like,
you know, he's fighting against nukes, and then you know,
then it was like this late seventies into the eighties
where you get like the the Death of Superman, the
Gritty Superman, the did you ever read Superman red Son?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Where yeh?
Speaker 1: So he ends up in the USSR and he gets
brought up using communist ideals as supposed to whatever. Great
oh those are all fun. So I don't know, I'll
see this. I like James gun well enough. I think
he might be getting a little long in the tooth
his style.
Speaker 3: But he's the he's the Faggy you know that now right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. I think that's man DC is really
throwing it out of the wall.
Speaker 1: I think James gun is a very good pick because
he actually clearly does love the products well and.
Speaker 2: Virtuo there's it's a two fer. There's a he's the
creative and they have peer Saffern who's a booby producer
who Yeah, so it's not like it's he is Foggy,
but he's fifty percent of Figgy. There's another guy that handles, yeah,
the money, the business side, so which I think is
a good idea.
Speaker 1: I think like James Gunn style works with like The
Guardians or even Suicide Squad of like obscure characters like
he may poke it.
Speaker 4: Ot man so fun. Yeah did you see this? You
saw this? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like he's got the giant like it's his mom and
that's how he like has to visualize like they like great.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be like great with
the Batman's, the Superman's the things.
Speaker 3: Some of those is in Superman.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've heard about the Nathan Fillian
green lantern core thing is like that.
Speaker 2: Kind of works because gut Garner's supposed to be kind
of like a doofy asshole.
Speaker 3: Other things that happened.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's to a huge degree, but there's
sometimes go okay, it's it was just I guess if
you really like that style, it's like, well you can
feel James guns in this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But there's some fans where it's like, I don't know
if I like Superman saying saying this he's not like Starlar.
But there's one seemed ticular where he says it has
like a starlar ism, and it's like like, yeah, you know,
it's not like a b all End. I give like
a seven point seventy five.
Speaker 3: I couldn't give it eight.
Speaker 2: I couldn't get that high.
Speaker 1: Uh there's he just says someone some five. But somehow
that Black Panther was a nine out of ten.
Speaker 4: So I enjoyed Black Panthers.
Speaker 2: Have you guys seen Sinners? No?
Speaker 3: No, I like the shurry character.
Speaker 2: I like to nay more a lot in there, some
of the visuals, and I liked.
Speaker 3: I liked the path they went with Black Panther.
Speaker 2: I know there's tons of people online that just think
they should have recast. That's up to debate for another time.
But if you see Superman, yeah, you know you might
like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So right now on the docket, they have Supergirls comeing
out next year for this.
Speaker 2: Is the DC.
Speaker 5: I'm not impressed already.
Speaker 4: Face.
Speaker 2: Did you do you like? Do you like hous Dragon?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I did enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the girl that played you didn't, but Milli
played great. She's playing Supergirl. I'll say you may or
may not see some stuff in Superman for me and
the guys that like sold us right away. They're doing
a very She's a wreck loose, she's a drunk, she's
the exact opposite of what Clark is.
Speaker 3: She's a problem child.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's coming out next year. And then they're
doing a face movie. It's just about play face life face.
It's just clay face. But it's written this is what
always happens James Gun in DCU.
Speaker 3: It's written by Mike Flanagan. Yeah, you would know. Stuff
is all horror.
Speaker 2: Based, but I'm assuming you like yeah, so he wrote that,
and then right now it's kind of TBD. They're doing
a green Lantern show with Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre.
I'm not sure if you guys have ever seen Aaron
Pierre and anything, but he's he's a great pick. So
and what James Gunn is kind of doing. He says
that their plan is they don't want to which I
think is a good thing. They don't want to go
into production until script is one hundred percent done, where
with Marvel that's something that obviously.
Speaker 4: Do the storyboard before they even do the script.
Speaker 2: Well, and Marvel they sometimes don't though sometimes they're just
still going. But even back to IRONMN, Ironman didn't have
a complete script when they started shooting the filming change
on date where jamesins says he doesn't want to do
that stuff. So Kyle, you said, if you like this movie,
you're maybe more you know, possibly into this, And I
was going to ask you right now they've announced a
bunch of stuff, but they haven't. How do you feel
about the potential of two Batman running around because that's
been a big thing, has been in big debates. I
know you guys aren't in the sphere right now.
Speaker 6: To Batman says the what's I'm getting like Robert Pattinson
Batman again, and it's standalone. I'd be completely okay with
it if it's not related to the Superman movie. I
almost don't want it related to the Superman movie, Toss.
Speaker 2: I mean as of right now, unless James Gunn either
things change or the liar. Right now, the plan is
to Matt Reeves Batman two. They're going to do that,
but there's still going to be another Batman movie that
is connected to the D series.
Speaker 4: Is it going to be Robert Pattinson?
Speaker 2: No bath right now? No, they say it's going to
be a separate actor. Right now, the pitches, you would
know this they're pitching. That's gonna be bring bold where
it's going to be about him and his son, who's Robin.
So that and the idea is this that's gonna be
a lot more fantastical, so you know, passing Batman, just
find the guy addressed with the guitar. This Batman the
DC would be like fight mister Freeze or you know
clay Face, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: A swamp thing, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But you guys, you guys see more worried about the
idea of you don't think two Batman's can work. Where
you got your pass one that's the solo, just you
can watch it by itself, and then you got the
guy who's gonna team up with Superman.
Speaker 4: I mean in Batman, I'll be there day one.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I like Batman, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Again, it's like once they started throwing it out there,
and I feel it's slightly overwhelming already just you explaining it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I don't have to explain.
Speaker 6: It's kind of happy, just like the single Superman and
then maybe one more, but I don't need like I do.
Speaker 1: Like that it's going to be a different twist, you know,
like how many different versions of Sherlock have you seen?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: But it's fun whenever it fails, are a little twist
on it, right, Yeah, that's right, but they're typically not
always going at the exact same time, you know what
I mean, I don't know, i'd be I'm open minded.
Speaker 4: Is that a cop out answer?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: What do you think though that the general audiences feel about? Though?
Speaker 3: Because this is why I hope it happens.
Speaker 2: Because one thing. Many people agree with me on this.
It's not a hot take, like I don't want pass
and I like Superman. I don't want anywhere near that stuff.
Speaker 3: I want him to just keep doing.
Speaker 2: Let Reeves do his trilogy and then right off from
the sunset, like I don't want him pound around the
corn sweat.
Speaker 4: Is he wanting to do a trilogy, then that's what.
Speaker 3: It was Matt Reeves pitched as a trilogy, but we'll see.
Speaker 6: I think if I know it's a trilogy with an end,
then I'm more happier with that than and having two
Batman's then if it was like.
Speaker 5: Oh, we don't know, it could be another one later on.
Speaker 1: But did he plan the trilogy out or is this
like JJ Abram Star Wars, We're gonna just make it
up as we go.
Speaker 2: I feel like there, I feel like he's planned Bruce's arc.
I don't know if he's planned everything, like who the
exact villa would be, but I think he's got Bruce's
and Batman's arc down and stuff. So Hm Puster Barnes's
Batman is a way to go or two Batman's is
a way to go, I think in context, but I
think for me why I want this happens one of
our or raw passing to stay by himself do his
own thing. But I want to see the experiment of
how the general audiences will react. Is it because Batman's
just so big? No matter what, they'll go see. Let's
say it's bat brought passing and I don't know the
temperature check here Glenn Pale Batman.
Speaker 3: I think there's a good shots gonna help. I gotta
plug in the power for this.
Speaker 2: But what how do you guys think that two Batman
movies can work with the general It's not the compl
they'll go see that, and I don't. It's not gonna
be the same year. I imagually be a couple of
years spread out. But do you think we're ready because
we've never gone that yet. Right, it's all been Hey
Andrew garfith'spider Man, but he's out now it's Tom Holme.
This would be concurrently two Batman's running right now.
Speaker 6: I think the general audience might have a harder time
with it because they're thinking they're gonna have to watch
one Batman like the Robert Pattinson want and not realize
it's all like connected. Well, it's not connected. Yeah, And
I'm just trying to think of, like, you know, my partner,
if she wanted to watch, she'll be like, so, which
one do I have to watch in order to like
watch the series, because that's kind of what Marvel's done.
They they've given us all this information or all these
movies that you have to watch others in order to
get this whole storyline. And I think people the general
audience might think it's going to be the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I also think like are they how different
are they gonna be?
Speaker 1: Are they like a coke and a diet coke or
is it actually gonna be like Okay, let's just say
they go more fantastical, like yeah, if they don't have
a very distinct visual distinction, it just kind of seems
like you're like running the ip into the ground.
Speaker 3: Cause for sure will be different.
Speaker 4: Well, but it's got to be drafted, like you almost
got to go like the gray with the blue.
Speaker 2: They'll do that, like same way Superman they brought the
trunks back and a lot be like that's his underwear.
Speaker 4: I never cared. I mean, he's a superheroes man. Whar's
a cape for?
Speaker 2: There's so many people I've been over these years that
they hate the trunks because they say it's under outside
of the pants. I've just seen its like it's a
superhero outfit. Like I've never been bugged by the Superman trunks.
I've never been bugged by the Batman trunks. So it's
like I think when you get the James Gun Batman,
he's not directing, and that same thing he's directing its project,
but he's not directing like Supergirl clay Face. He can't.
They can only direct one thing at a time, and
he's not directing Batman as of right now, but I
think they will.
Speaker 3: He's still the figy creatively.
Speaker 2: And I think you're gonna see a Batman that's big blue, like,
it's gonna look very different. Passions is like an armor,
like it looks like the Arkha stuff where it's like
plates of armor. Yeah, I think this will be like
nice kevlar.
Speaker 4: And I also liked that he didn't get that big
for that movie.
Speaker 2: No, it's very Neil Adams where he's very like slender back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so like he kind of looks like
an alcoholic Yeah, Like honestly, I really don't I don't
mean that in a mean way, but it's like, yeah,
he looks like a party guy, Like well, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he looks that way because it's like
he stays up all night.
Speaker 2: Right, That's one of my favorite touches when he's up
in the morning and he asks where sunglasses in the
morning because the sun's just so bright in his house
that he's like, I can't handle this. Right.
Speaker 1: He kind of reminded me the Michael Keaton of like
almost a little weird, like it is the scene in
the first Michael Keaton where he's just hanging upside down
back every weird.
Speaker 2: And that's why I hope with two and three, if
we get then we get to see him because I
know pass It can do the charming boyish like Bruce Wayne.
So I hope we do get there eventually. But I
think they would make them different. I honestly don't, because
that's what we talk about with Tobo on the second,
Like I don't know how that would do to Batman
because I feel like all these movies in the box
office like it's kind of a rap shoot, Like I
don't know. I don't think me and Kyle even talk
about either, Like Oppenheimer like, I love Alpenheimer.
Speaker 3: I think it's Nolan's best movie.
Speaker 2: But when that was on the way coming out, I
thought that thing.
Speaker 3: Was gonna bombe.
Speaker 2: To me, it's like he's making uh. At that time,
we just saw it was black and white, but like
a black and white movie about the nuclear bombs starting
killing Murphy.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm going to see the fucking thing.
Speaker 1: Like like yeah, and then you find out it's like
three and a half hours, like you nobody can Barbie Barbie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I were almost made a billion dollars and
that's tons of stuff. Where same thing when the flash
was coming out, throw the quality out. When Michael Keaton
was coming back, I thought, oh, I don't know if
there's gonna be a billion, but I thought it was
gonna be a big hit because we just came from
Knowing Home where that was a big hit with Toby
and Andrew coming back.
Speaker 3: That's like MC is like third or seon like third
or four. I think it's the third.
Speaker 2: Biggest movie all time, and it's like it has all
these records, right, So I thought, oh, Keaton coming back,
that's gonna do some stuff. And it didn't. The Flashlight
bomb so I really don't know like what hits with
audiences anymore. There's all ones.
Speaker 3: Like with Minecraft, I wasn't surprised. I surprised how big
it got.
Speaker 2: But still there's just certain ones where I don't know nowadays,
you know, And that same with Batman. I don't know
if hey, do you do two movies and they're just
both hits because people just love Batman. And like I said,
I know he said no about Glen Pale. I'm just
saying that because.
Speaker 5: If you he's a big star right now, he's.
Speaker 2: A big star. He has said, like, I'm not gonna
do any superhero stuff unless it's Batman. And I do
think that's a way of how do you differentiate yourself
from Robert Passon? If you get someone like Glen Pale
right away, there's no similarities other than their white guys
like you put.
Speaker 4: Rob Patson has like charisma and charm. Clen pal doesn't.
Speaker 2: That mem.
Speaker 4: She's just kidding on that one.
Speaker 2: I think I can. I do like the women on
the world that are straight one to fuck him after anyone,
but you are top gun or twisters.
Speaker 4: Like he is for that for women to know he
saw twisters and that's sexually arouse.
Speaker 2: Did you know did you say that movie?
Speaker 4: Unfortunately I did.
Speaker 2: There's a moment, do you remember he walks out of
a house. He's a cowboy hat on, he's a white
shirt and it's raining all right everywhere women were like,
this man needs to like break my back right now,
Glen pald he has.
Speaker 4: A direct quote women everywhere. He says it to a mirror.
Speaker 2: Because me and Taylor called that years ago. Do you
guys remember a show called Scream Queens. Yeah, he was
on that. Yeah, he stole the show. Yeah, it's the
best part. And then they killed him off. Oh and
he never really blew up until talking now. But I
was like, this guy's got the Christmas. But that's why
James gets Batman, and he's even a little bit more
like comedic. He can do that, and that's what I mean, like,
maybe not hasp Glen Peal, but someone like that, that's
complete opposite of our passing on the spectrum of like pass.
It was like a heart thought, but he was like,
but he has a distinct look, yes, and he was
the angsty like Edward the heart thought. We're Glenn pals,
like I'm a guy you want to grab a beer
with and hang out with Pip of Eye, right.
Speaker 1: I actually do like one Glen Powe. I did just
have to like that joke. But the one thing he
reminds me a lot of Army Hammer. And I don't
mean in like a he's an actual can a criminal way, yeah,
but like super charming, really charismatic. If you don't have
an agent that capitalizes on this properly, and you had
been a bunch of duds, your career is fucked and
that'll be a shame. Admittedly Army Hammer alleged cannibal, but
like he had like because I rewatched The Man from
Uncle with my parents like a week ago, and I
was like, shit, he's actually like really good in this
that she was kind of funny because like my parents
are like, who's this guy?
Speaker 4: Like we know Henry Kapley, He's great.
Speaker 2: What happened to this guy?
Speaker 4: Like he's so great that?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, he like kind of like
wants to eat people or something I don't know, and
they're like, okay, idiot, And then the Google.
Speaker 4: And my mom just.
Speaker 3: What's funny?
Speaker 2: You said he reminds you of Rmy Hammer, because remember
Arny Hammer was cast as Batman. But they canceled that
movie a lot really, so I didn't know that they
were back in the day George Miller who made Man Max.
Oh okay, he was making a Justice League movie. Yeah,
it was a combo of the strikes back then happened
and they were gonna make it. Same thing, the experiment
of Nolan's gonna make his Batman movies. They're gonna make
a Just League movie and then we're going around Nolan's
like Third Night happened like no, you're not You're not
gonna be put another Batman out there, which like you're
not gonna say no to Nolan at that point. Like
remember hitting a billion in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: That was like a that's a big deal, Like there's
a deal.
Speaker 4: That's when money was real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was like three or four movies.
Speaker 3: It was not just printed Titanic.
Speaker 2: Something else in Dark Knight.
Speaker 4: Like that's gone with the wind keeps coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like you can't say no to Nolan and
stuff like that. But uh, yeah, I don't know what
will happen, and that's what's gonna be interesting. But I
like the idea of the having the script done before
I don't know about the characters. I don't know about
clay Face, but the same thing to Clayface. They're making
that for like thirty forty million, very cheap and stuff.
So that's what's gonna ask you, guys, because we've seen
all where we start this podcast, which was like I
won't say the height, but the beginning of the height,
I think the height the peak was end game, and
then there's been times where it's got close to that,
and then now the past few years, like he had
Aucaman one that made a billion dollars, the second one
five hundred?
Speaker 1: You had?
Speaker 4: How fuck did the first Augoman make a billion dollars?
Speaker 2: By the way, I think if you just love Momoa
and one of our listeners super might point out that
for a while, it's the streaks over now. But there
was like six to seven years where if you put
a movie out in December that was a big blockbuster,
it would always hit a billion or nine hundred, because.
Speaker 4: It was like that chrisp like it was, oh yeah,
it was everybody's off for work.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Making Sinceanna, it was just like if you
got an enjoyable Christmas move, like a movie at Christmas,
families will go to it, and I think that was
the peak of Amoa too. He used to be with
Glenn Palace. Now he was the Oh ladies just ladies
love him and guys want to hang out with him.
Speaker 4: That was right.
Speaker 3: People liked him. But then you have like Captain Marble
crazy that made a billion dollars.
Speaker 4: But then I didn't see that movie.
Speaker 2: You didn't see you saw Captain Marble. I thought you
did wear a game.
Speaker 4: Really I did not like realize them, but.
Speaker 2: Still made a billion dollars. And then when they did
the sequel, it made like two fifty like eight Crash
and burn. Yeah, still many it's a sequel. Yeah, the Marvels,
they didn't shut up really Marvel. I didn't hear it there.
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't even hear a single person mentioned that.
Like I didn't even know that movie came out.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah they introduced that.
Speaker 4: I don't watch it. But okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So also you won't believe this, but Kelsey Grammer's beast
is in that movie from the original X Men is
in is in Miss Marvel in the marvel marvel Yeah,
the Marvels. Yeah, so what happens is one of the
characters they're setting up. You know what young girls love.
Speaker 4: Kelsey Grammar.
Speaker 2: S Bubbs, it's got some spiel Chat says, uh, he
doesn't think Barbarnheimer would have done as well without or
we're done as well Barbi one is still have done good.
I agree.
Speaker 3: Yes, there was tons of people.
Speaker 1: That cross marketed themselves pretty well and feature actually then
to one of.
Speaker 2: The greatest nights in my life.
Speaker 3: I saw and I referst and then Barbie.
Speaker 1: And I did the opposite, and I wish I would
have done what you did.
Speaker 4: I see.
Speaker 2: I wanted to do the opposite, but we had a
terrible thing where me and Kraig we're going to see
on the West Side. There was an accident, so I
missed Barbie, so I had to flip it. But honestly
it was better because I was so heavy. But then
I remember, oh, man like seeing Barbie and this is
where we're talking about offcast before. But it's like there's
still a movie that can be events. See Barbie at
like ten thirty ten forty five late sold out young
kids and it was a vie.
Speaker 3: It was like one of the best theater experiences.
Speaker 4: Agreed, great in theaters, it was fantastic, good it really was.
Speaker 3: It felt like a party.
Speaker 2: There's a fucking snyer cut joke in that have you
seen Barbie.
Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, I've Barbie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that was such an experience. So I don't
know where we went though, But someone put up that
this about the DC, the fact that it's not going
to all be the same tone like the MC is
pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Whether it works or not, we'll see, and.
Speaker 2: That thing one they have to deliver on that because
James says like he wants it to be different, told
different directors.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to feel like the MCU, you know, kind.
Speaker 6: Of Superman or like that Superhero draft that they do
and oh yeah, smash their knees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even the.
Speaker 5: Three sixty camera looking around or something quiest.
Speaker 2: So they won't to try and be different. But that's
what I'm gonna ask you. Guys were clearly like if
you look at since COVID, there's still like you got
the top ten biggest movies, they're still superhero.
Speaker 3: Stuff all over, so like, yeah, the genre is not dead.
Speaker 2: I still can't believe that in twenty five years, as
they put out a Batman movie, it's gonna do well.
I think like those top two characters are pretty safe.
But do you think I'll starry lam what is we're
talked a little bit about. But what do you think
can do? I don't think you can ever get back
to end game levels, but what can you do in
a way where like even I don't know if you follow.
It's like Captain Marvel or sorry, Captain America four came
out this year.
Speaker 3: Thunderbolts. It was all like underwhelmed.
Speaker 4: They did look poopy.
Speaker 3: Thunderbolts is great.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 2: MU has like a lot of this the Phase five
really bad stuff in there, like and then somebody, I
love this stuff. But Thunderbolts it looks like it's just
like a suicide squad thing. But it's a whole movie
about mental health.
Speaker 3: You might sell.
Speaker 2: But like there's some good algorithm and Florence Peugh, you know,
arguably the best actress in the world.
Speaker 3: I think that's Ema Stone right now, but she's one
up there.
Speaker 2: But all the they've had ebbs and flows were last
year Dip Wolverene massive movie. But the year before the Marvels,
there's some other stuff. DC they had a sling of
like Blue Beetle Flash Augment. I had a blue Beetle
that all didn't do well. So how if Liam, you know,
Figgy and Jim's gone, they take you to lunch and
because they got big stuff going on, d C is
in the part of their starting universe was trying.
Speaker 3: To give you the plate for MSU.
Speaker 2: They're trying to win people back because the next three
movies they have is Spider Man four, two Avengers movies.
Speaker 3: And I've said, though, this is the time because there's.
Speaker 4: We mean, so this would beve just four and five.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And they're bringing everybody back, like Toby's back,
Hugh Jackmans back down his back, Roberts.
Speaker 1: I can't wait, Lean's rolling his eyes. Keep those fucking
corpses coming back out on stage.
Speaker 2: Said Andrews. Andrew's best friendman performance is a knowing home
he I mean, fantastic. It was amazing since I'm talking
about but he's he's not ar Man, He's he's oh yeah,
he's doctor Doom. Yeah, oh yeah. It goes. But what
I'm saying is I think that they're in a position
to I'm not saying it to the heights, but if
they're going to win back people, it's now because people
see SPERMNT and the two of Anders movies and after
Avengers is they're doing X Men for the MCU because
that's they have the rights to that. If anything, now
this is the chance to win people back because it's like, hey,
we know they're seeing those three movies. We got to
make them great so people leave those be like you
know what I do like Marvel again, and they're changing
a bunch of stuff. So they sit you down, Liam,
How what do you think they have to try and
do to he said, they may not get back to
the heights of dying, but to be those top dogs
where you know you can avoid that fatigue because the
fatigue definitely, I would say hit from the like twenty
twenty two to now, even though multiple billion dollar superhero films,
but still not everything you could put out. Yeah, Captain
Marvel billion dollar.
Speaker 6: Film, Yeah, but yeah, isn't a billion dollar film now
because like the movie take it costs like fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: You yeah, like with inflation then like getting to Captain
Marvel on Camel twenty nineteen, that's.
Speaker 1: What Actually, you just gonna be careful though, because a
lot of that is international ones. So true the I
don't mean this in a diminutive way by any means.
But like movies like Jurassic World keep making money because
you don't need to know that much English in order
to watch those, so you can get like a shitty
dub in your qu Superhero.
Speaker 2: Movies used to well international, but now it's a bit
more flaky. For example, before you go fat under the table,
like the Batman is doing better international than Superman one
who Superman released this week.
Speaker 3: It's international numbers came in like lower than expected.
Speaker 2: That could be for a bunch of reasons. Superman very
American film. Who knows, but that the international audiences for
these movies aren't as much.
Speaker 3: Around But yeah, what do you think it takes to
the past.
Speaker 1: Like they're taking me out to serties for lunch, and
I got like, this is what you guys got to
do to save it? Okay, this is gonna be an
unorthodox approach.
Speaker 4: Don't do any of it. Eight six years you just
you stole it from me.
Speaker 2: You can hang on quickly. You don't have an IMAX
where you live, right, Yeah we do.
Speaker 3: Oh it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: I live in a fucking capital city that's three times
the size of Klowna.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to buy tickets tonight.
Speaker 3: They they're putting IMAX screenings.
Speaker 2: For the Audyssey up for a year from now, Nolan's
next movie a year in advance.
Speaker 3: I gotta buy some tickets while or maybe doing.
Speaker 4: This, Uh okay, continue. It would actually be to like
not do anything for like five years, just wipe the slate.
Speaker 2: Clean, okay, and just say no to that money.
Speaker 1: Well no, here's here's what the idea is, right, because
they're gonna be like we got We're gonna put like
one hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 4: It's got to make money. And I go, no, no, no, no,
don't do that.
Speaker 1: Hire cheap directors, Hire cheap actors that are nobody's. Get
a good couple writers in because I think it was
actually killed them over time. Is that the writing has
been the worst aspect of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that is that's why, like James been saying,
we don't want to go to practice those scripts done.
Speaker 1: And the reason I say, like, wait, is let the
DCU fuck themselves over. I love dc products, but let's
be real. Their movies have been all over the place
in quality. Yeah, And it does seem to me that
we're in like a weird time for media.
Speaker 2: Superman I will say reviewed very well with critics and audiences,
just to give.
Speaker 4: You that fair y.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like with the amount of streaming services that
are like losing money hand over fist. How many TV
shows have you guys fallen in love with that have
been canceled right halfway through a second season or like
two episodes in right, there's like this weird thing in
media of like I don't know what's going to come next.
I don't have a crystal ball, but I would wait
a couple of years, don't oversaturate your products and come
out with two or three haymakers. So now I get
that they're gonna do the Avengers whatever, but let's just
say you end it there, take a break. Hey, wh
who's the characters that Okay, everybody loves Spider Man, everybody
loves let's just say Captain America.
Speaker 2: And big deal the fact that they actually own X
Men the right let's do X Men?
Speaker 1: Ye Hold up, Wait, plan something out for a couple
of years, get your hand maker's in there, and then
send it out. I think if you start doing like
the Squirrel Girls, the uh. I've been playing a lot
of Marvel rivals. I don't Jeff the Shark is not
really a main character. Fuck you make a Jeff the
Shark movie, I don't think you're gonna make a billion dollars. No,
stop targeting us and target mainstream audiences.
Speaker 2: I think that's what screwed them up a little bit,
is because there was a small period there when they
could put out squirrel Girl like a Captain Marvel that
would make it.
Speaker 4: Actually wish it would have done Scirrel Girls.
Speaker 2: There was just a time where you could put all
that stuff and then made all the money, right, so
I think, and they caught up to them. I don't
know if they'll ever do a break, but I think
what they probably should do is like when last year
they only released a Wolverine and they called it that
and say we're doing one. It's gonna be a big one.
I think that's the most break you could get. Instead
of hey, we're gonna take two to five years, I
think it's hey, we're gonna release one movie too. That way,
but it's just gonna be x men, We're gonna make
a huge, big deal, And it feels like a less
of a break instead of like, hey, every quarter there's
A four.
Speaker 3: There's an iron Man, okay.
Speaker 1: And then and then now that I'm thinking about this,
two things up. Less less CG I like, less big
giant CGI battles because that's like half time I watched
these superhero movies. Now I go, I like the first
three quarters of it, and then it's the first one
Roman I think is the best example.
Speaker 4: All Right, are you trying to do something interesting here?
Speaker 1: And then oh no, you gotta have a giant CGI
fight at the end where I can't really tell what's happening.
Cut that shit out on one more practical effects or
practical effects, and then there's still CGI fights.
Speaker 3: But Superman has a lot of practical sets.
Speaker 4: Superman, okay, and that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: There's fucking robots in there.
Speaker 3: They're practical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like Superman is like not the best example
of this. I think Batman's a better example of it.
But also like lower the stakes. If I see one
more fucking giant blue beam in this guy, I'm gonna
lose it. Like there's like, uh, I can't remember.
Speaker 4: Oh suicides or the suicide Squad. There's a point there
where you're like, why did they not call the Justice League?
Speaker 1: This feels like a world ending disaster. Like yeah, it's
fun whatever, But when you think about it, like Superman
should have been on this giant fucking starfish that can
like beams from its mouth.
Speaker 4: That seems like his villain thing.
Speaker 1: Whereas if they were fighting like, h what was it
the stupid Will Smith suicide squad and they're fighting a
lot of like nameless things, and like a smaller scale
villain better. I actually think that's better, or like why
I like the penguin so much was like, here's a
smaller scale I felt like he actually might die. It
was never like all right, now we have to do
the giant fight and then they're gonna exposition at the
end and credits roll scene for the next two or
three films like you once you can kind of predict it,
so pulled up.
Speaker 4: Less practical effect or sorry, more practical effects.
Speaker 1: Let's see, yes, like get some unknowns, don't rely on things,
and like just come out with your haymakers. Give us
the characters that we want to see. Honestly, I'd actually
like see Wolverine recast. I like Hugh Jackman, but like
he's such a good character. Hugh Jackman's like what almost
sixty out.
Speaker 3: This is crazy. Look at this.
Speaker 2: I gonna go buy tickets for Noles movies next year.
Already the entire middle.
Speaker 3: Section gone, wow, wow, nuts, I'm so mad about that.
Oh yeah, yeah, Jesus, what.
Speaker 1: About Kyle, if you had they're gonna take you out?
You gotta save the MCU.
Speaker 6: I think I would have the same thought because I
said it out loud, and save the girls as well too.
Is just wait a bit, and just as you said,
like low like not big names. Don't use these big
actors and actresses or whatever. Just get some you know,
not well known people but they're still good in their
own realm, and get more better storylines and go a
different direction than what we've seen before. I think we've
been just seeing a lot of like big cgi fights,
as Liam said. And maybe maybe that's why I enjoy
Daredevil so much, because it's just more Batman as well,
mostly practical, yeah, more down to earth, but just like, yeah,
maybe that's what it is. The stakes are lower, like,
and then you can flush out the villains a lot
better as well, too, like create more of a storyline
for them instead of you know, I'm off to you know,
and the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's some about like the Batman's a great
one of like when he gets a shit kicked out
of them, it actually feels like he got the shit
kicked out.
Speaker 4: Of him, Like you know when you see he's not invincible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like uh, Superman twenty thirteen, when like the fucking
last hour of that movie is them throwing each other
through skyscrapers, is like after a while, it's like, Okay,
I think the post that movie, okay, weird that you
can go through a building, but somehow he can just snap.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I don't know, there's yeah the words down. Okay,
what about you? What do you got?
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you as far as like the
big characters. I think, like I said, the break is
more minimal as far as I think, maybe you can
take one year off, but that's that's the big Disney's
not gonna let you take one year off.
Speaker 6: But don't even come up with the Avenger movies. Just
go do the Spireman at Home and then go all right,
we're doing X Men.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, well you gotta do.
Speaker 4: No, but you could do it, but like spread the boat.
Speaker 2: So the problem with a big problem that they did
not do Avengers sooner because the issue that I think
people want the one of the people Jeez Christ podcast
for ten years. One of the issues that people had
with these phases was you knew who, like the core
three was in the Avengers after the first phase, right,
it was thore Cap.
Speaker 3: And Iron Man. You could say maybe Hulk, but I
wouldn't say that you knew they were.
Speaker 4: Nobody would say Hawkey, but.
Speaker 2: No, you wouldn't you do the like at Endgame, the
last three that fight Thanalyst is those three, right, they
walk up to them, they fight them. Those were your
main characters with since Endgame? Who are your main characters?
Speaker 5: Well, that's what I'm saying, don't do the Avengers at all?
Speaker 2: No, I think what they should and they should.
Speaker 4: Actually that's a good question. Who are the Avengers at
this point?
Speaker 2: They haven't.
Speaker 3: There is no Avengers, So that's what I mean. There's
always it was Avengers movies.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's do some projects tied together, and then let's
do some projects time together. There's not been time together.
It's been a bunch of people doing Lucy Goosey stuff.
I think right after Avengers that was a smart play
to like give people a break. But I think they
waited too long because no one knows who the main
character of They call this the multiverse saga. No one
knows who the main ers are, The and Findy Saw.
You know it's Tony Steven Thor that's who you're falling,
or the the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 3: Like I said, you could.
Speaker 2: If it's about Rushmore, I'd say it's those three, And
it's probably Holmes Spider Man, right so right now Thanos
but yeah, he's only two movies though, right home. Yeah,
but it was you gotta build that up to beat him?
He was, Yeah, you could.
Speaker 4: You could put them easily the best Villa man.
Speaker 2: But I can make an argument for Loki, but I digress.
But with this one, it's just people around doing so
Sam as Captain America. I like Anthony MACKI, but he's
not been given the main character treatment. They're just putting
the Avengers together. Now they got Fantastic four. I think
they're hoping that's.
Speaker 4: Gonna be That also looks poopy.
Speaker 3: I don't have but good odds like excitement for this, but.
Speaker 1: I actually like the fantastic Force of property. I don't
know why they can't seem to make a Fantastic four movie.
Speaker 4: Look entertaining.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like Fantastic Force.
Speaker 2: I think that's like, I'm excited because I love the
actors in there. Vanessa Kirby was my pick for Sue Storm.
I love Vanessa Kirby, She's great. But I think they
should have done an Avengers film way earlier. That's Kyle, okay,
who This is where you need to fall because there
might be some project you drop off, but they would
be the characters that would take you through the MCU
or right now, we're getting Avengers movie and we don't
even know who the Avengers are. We have no idea,
but we knew.
Speaker 6: You're telling me though, like the Avengers are coming back.
We don't know who these Avengers are. But then you're saying, yeah,
but Toby Maguire is coming back and well, and so
it's not.
Speaker 2: Mind spoilt them, but there's gonna be the Avengers. But
Secret Wars is like a what they're doing is that's
gonna kill the multiverse. What happens is all in the conbook,
all these multiverses collide and then it creates one singular universe.
I think it's the way to be like, hey, we've
done this multi first thing for a bit. We made
some money, but we need to cap us off because
this is getting a little confusing. And I think that's
why they start off with X Men to the like,
here's your new universe with some stuff left over. So,
but Toby's gonna be like I think that's.
Speaker 3: Just to bring in some hype people. He's not gonna
be an Avenger.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so like Guardian's Galaxy were in Finny war
but they weren't on the Avengers, right, And I think
that's what those characters are gonna be. Where Hugh Jackman's
in it, but he's not on the Avengers. But it's
an Avengers movie because unfortunately the Avengers movies have become
just a title for an event.
Speaker 3: It's not like the team. But we still know the
current one and Thunderbolts.
Speaker 4: I mean in these new Avengers movies, well.
Speaker 2: I'd say from Finny Warren on right, because that's a
movie that has like fifty characters. Steve Avengers are in there,
but it's also Doctor Strange and the Guardians and you know, long.
Speaker 4: And all true.
Speaker 5: But I guess you still have your core ones that
kind of started the first ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's where I still get's always Avengers and Friends.
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 3: We haven't got just pure Avengers movies.
Speaker 2: Since Age of Ultron where it's just like, hey, here's
our six characters that are fighting someone. It's been because
now we got a finny war endgame and now these
next two Avengers are the same thing where it's like
they've already announced that you got the Avengers team whoever
that's gonna be, and Spider Man's in it, the Thunderbolts
are in it, Fantastic four is in it.
Speaker 3: Do you guys know the returning X Men characters coming back,
like you know.
Speaker 2: Stewart's coming back, McCown's coming back, Night, Carl's coming back,
Chance Barsen's coming back.
Speaker 3: So they're bringing the Fox X Men back for this.
Speaker 2: So that's why again it's Avengers Doomsday, but it's like
five different teams.
Speaker 3: You know, all.
Speaker 4: That just sounds exhausting.
Speaker 3: Did you think that we're you are exhausting there?
Speaker 4: A little bit?
Speaker 2: Okay, a little bit.
Speaker 3: I thought they made it work.
Speaker 4: I think they did. But that's like a much smaller roster.
And again it's all right even put apples to apples, no,
but like, but.
Speaker 1: It's the same film franchise so much of like, all right,
we got the Iron Man and you're right, you have
the core. Now it's like we're just getting all your
favorites together. This is the greatest Hits album.
Speaker 4: Great, but like it's.
Speaker 2: Definitely great's hits even down He's back, right, that's a
great hit right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you bring back its Captain America.
Speaker 2: I'm back. But I think he's gonna be break for
the Dark Knagle. I think he's going to be uh
evil captain, like down evil.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and to me, that's just like okay, all right, but.
Speaker 3: That's the fun way Sam gets to be, you know,
is the is frint.
Speaker 1: No, Actually, I actually like Anthony Mackie. I don't like
him as Captain America. But I don't like Anthony Mackie
as Captain America.
Speaker 4: But I like to Miss Falcon. I don't know, there's
just a he seems too cynical. I kind of like
Cat when he's like a little more.
Speaker 2: Uh they did that.
Speaker 4: I'm just a good kid from Brooklyn. I don't know that.
I like that interpretation of the character.
Speaker 3: And the TV shirt that did make them very like
fighting for the people when he.
Speaker 1: See I didn't watch it because I was like, I
don't want to have to watch like another eight hours
of content just to enjoy a movie.
Speaker 4: And that's and that's what it is. Is like I'm
sitting there on a Friday night and it's like, what
do I want to do?
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want this to be
my second job. I don't want to have to put
in time to enjoying.
Speaker 3: Watch what you watch? Okay, so then what about on
the DC spectrum, James Gunn.
Speaker 2: Just started off we don't know how big or little
of a success, super Miniscus just first weekend, so a
second weekend. But you tell him the same thing. He's
his dinner and he's Okay, what do I do the
next five years to help with the superhero fatigue? Cause
a different plays?
Speaker 4: Just do one ofus just but they're not they're doing
I know, you know, I think that's a big fuck up.
Speaker 1: But I think if you just did like or like, yeah,
we got a Batman trilogy, but it's just Batman. Hey,
we're doing a Green Lantern movie. Sweet, maybe Merchant Manhunter
pops in, but it's not so interconnected. And I think
that's how you could because I think the individual characters
of DC properties have like my parents know all the
Justice League. They would struggle with some of the some
of the Avengers outside of like you know Cat and
Iron Man all that jazz. Like if I said, like,
you know, the Thunderbolts are maybe like a man from
the seventies or is that one of the James Gunn soundtracks,
Like yeah, where it's like I feel you could do Batman.
Speaker 4: My grandmother, who was like Alzheimer's is like, oh, I
know who Batman is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like it could name a bunch of stories
like the same with Superman, same with Wonder Woman. Another
thing they could do is like maybe find someone to
play Wonder Woman who can act.
Speaker 4: That'd be a great start. Or yes, the only first season.
Speaker 3: I won't say anything.
Speaker 5: Only first season.
Speaker 4: On season two, I finished it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I had to, Uh.
Speaker 1: The just really good. It's the only Star Wars thing
that I actually think is worth anything.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't watch this because I guarantee you'd see the
premium like all this looks dumb.
Speaker 3: Skelton Crew is really good. It's like goody Star Wars.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, I might watch it with the kid,
but like it's you know.
Speaker 2: It's a fun time. Honestly, when I watched that, I
was like, I wish this is what all of Disney
Star Wars was, because it's it's very like it's doing
its own things and starts universe. But it's not like, oh,
here's this guy's cousin, here's this Yeah, like it's very
it was very good I and they try to be
as practical as possible. As practical, so I'd give a
shot with him because it's, uh, this is on Disney
plus as well.
Speaker 1: Man, I would actually give my same advice to Disney
with Star Wars of like, it's a giant galaxy, why
is there one family?
Speaker 4: Spread it out? That's a whole kid Like that's why.
I mean, I know it's a whole other screw. Yeah,
but like what are they start as cooked?
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, but again this is where I'm wrong.
They'll probably Manlori and Grog with the movie comes out
next year, I'll make a billion and then they'll be like, look,
we're not doing anything wrong.
Speaker 4: And then making a movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so because what they did don't know. Hey, hang
on roll back though, before we get back on topic.
Mu Wana two, do you know the story about Moana two.
Speaker 4: How they just made the exact same movies ma Wana one.
Speaker 1: All knew that, but two because the kid loves him
and I'm like, the same fucking movie again.
Speaker 2: I Wanta two was originally a Disney Plus show, but
when Bob Biger came back, Okay, when he came back,
he said, well, let's not do this, let's put this
together as a movie. They put that out that they
cleared a billion dollars and there was a report that
the guy that makes and Or, Tony Gilroy said in
his conversations with Disney Disney says streaming's dead, so that's
why there was gonna be another season Man Learning Grogu.
But they're like, nah, we're probably gonna make more money
doing this as a movie, and that's what they're doing.
So you're still gonna get some stuff from Marvel Stars.
But Disney Plus knows like this isn't really working out,
and the budgets on these things are crazy, so that's
why they're doing it.
Speaker 4: It makes no sense in their budgets.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's because sometimes they reshoot.
Speaker 3: So much stuff, you know, like that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: I know it's to fix it. The pop did you
guys see Rings of Power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, power, I don't want my mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like, how the.
Speaker 1: Fuck did you spend over a billion dollars and it
still looks Okay? No, there is so much cheapness in that.
Speaker 2: I rolled back again. This is the thing because you're
not watching all these stars and Mardel shows. Trust me,
Brings the Power looks incredible compared to the other big
kid okay, compared to crap, okay, big brands that are
doing TV shows on streaming. Brings the Power looks Leaves
and bounds is just so inconsistent.
Speaker 4: Like, I agree, the doors look good.
Speaker 1: Uh, the new Minorian's armor looks like it was like
you'd get it from, Like, what's that Halloween store that
pops up in every abandoned store?
Speaker 4: It's Halloween Spirit Halloween.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like you not a spirit Halloween and
cleared them out and like but again you're like, but
a billion dollars, Like that's a lot of money.
Speaker 2: But that's different beause Amazon got fucking when they don't care.
Speaker 1: Amazon and Apple, I get that, but but I would
I want to see the receipts on this of like
I'm like, I'm not saying.
Speaker 4: You should have used all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, i'm you should.
Speaker 4: Have used that money to like solveboard and hunger. No,
I get that their corporations. Fuck, they're not gonna do that.
Speaker 2: But like where did it go?
Speaker 1: Because it certainly didn't go to the writers or like
the CGI artists or like the background extra.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know some producer Dick is sitting by the pool
who just cleared a million dollars on that because he
like like this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, He's like, yeah, that's a good song. Put that in.
Speaker 2: Just wait, they got Bond. Now, Bond's gonna be like
five hundred million dollars or something like Amazon's got Bond.
Speaker 3: They bought it completely some but I'm.
Speaker 4: Excited they endless slop.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing that gives me hope is the knee
Vell News directing it, the guy who's directed Dune movies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is the good old Canadian too.
Speaker 2: That's good stuff. But what is guys Star Wars? This
is why we don't know. It's because it's just like,
you know, they put a Leo Sitsch just this Disney
Live Action remake Speaks of the Year, So it's like
the same thing. Mailer and Grog, who makes a billion
dollars next year. I might not like that, but can
I tell Dizzy be like, oh, you shouldn't do that.
Speaker 3: You should do it.
Speaker 2: Because just like that's hypothetical, right, But like there's so
much stuff that makes the money, where like Minecraft is awful. Guys, Minecraft,
I watched the girls. They really enjoy it.
Speaker 3: It's awful. But because it's a big brands players.
Speaker 2: You know, that was one of those movie why would
like yeah green light Minecraft too, Like why would I?
Who would any right mind would tell them not to?
It's like, yeah, you gotta especially if movies not making
as much money now when it does that. But anyways,
going back, where were we where DC, We're somewhere.
Speaker 4: We're in Marvel, Marvel? What are we going to do
with the next four years?
Speaker 2: Yeah, talking about the one offs and when we were
talking about oh, you brought up Star Wars and then
that that's what got us off.
Speaker 5: I can't remember, but with you're gonna tell us your
side of what they should be doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you hadn't even answered your no, I did.
Yeah for Marvel.
Speaker 4: No, you're trying to buy tickets from the Odyssey was
all over again.
Speaker 2: So literally it's sold out.
Speaker 4: He's not even in post production yet, you already buying tickets.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, man, we'll take a trip out
to Vancouver for the like oh, he'd be down and
then but like adsper is not off yet, so we'll
have to wait for that. But that's yeah, that's fucking powerful.
Nolan movie's not even out for a whole year and
he has IMAX screens showed out a year in advance sold. Well,
that's fucking He's.
Speaker 1: Like, O, I'm actually like, I'm really curious about this one,
Like no one I quite like this story. I don't
know how he's going to adapt it, and I know
I don't. I don't mean that in like yeah, I know,
I trust him too, and I'm like but genuinely like, yeah,
how are you going to adapt this? I think it
would be an amazing TV show because, like, you know, episodic,
the money.
Speaker 3: You know, I can't do that.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be at least three hours right now,
say it's two forty six. I don't believe bull shit.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that is.
Speaker 1: No One's like loll that will be the first act,
then there will be an intermission at five more hours
of Matt Damon.
Speaker 2: Man, so what did you say with DC? You did
talk about DC.
Speaker 5: I didn't talk about d C, just talking about Marvel
and what do.
Speaker 2: You think about one offs?
Speaker 5: Which yeah, you know, but I don't think you said
anything about DC either.
Speaker 4: They have to do one off, not.
Speaker 2: Connected universe, even though we're starting. What he says, okay, sorry,
and I'll do that. Superman's great. I have to do
the connected universe. I made a deal Devil. What would
be your vice, James Gunn? He has to do a
connecting universe.
Speaker 4: That sucks that you made a deal with Devil. You
should have listened to me. It sounds like an issue,
not an issue. I mean like okay, I guess, but
like I just like, what are you? What are you
gonna do again?
Speaker 2: That check right now and you retire for life is
like you gotta crack this cold game. You gotta help us,
because that's the thing too, is like lost. People have said, like,
can you do another universe successful for MC? Right? Like
was that the one show was that eight people loved? Alright, man, endgame?
I got the universe. I'm good for at least a
little bit.
Speaker 5: I think you need the time off from it.
Speaker 3: All they haven't time all.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I'm not saying DC, but like
Marvel needs to stop in order for you to have
a successful universe.
Speaker 4: That's the other that's the issue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got Spider Man two, Avengers coming to the
next Man.
Speaker 1: Do you think that you they're just I mean with
the one off. Let's just like stick with that for
a minute of like you could actually genuinely to have fun,
unique interesting things. Yeah, like uh spider minute of the
Spider Verse. What if they did like a green lantern
that's like super trippy animation. That'd be kind of fun
to do, right, all right, it's just a one off. Cool,
I think like it. And again I don't know, because
you're right, movies aren't making what they used to. Streaming
services seem to be dying left and right. I don't
know what the next trend's gonna be. Like maybe we
go back and now it's like I guess we're probably
the right time.
Speaker 2: So what is what?
Speaker 4: What American war can we start making movies about? Now?
It would it be like in.
Speaker 2: World War three? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well no, but it's like, do you remember how like
the early two thousands had so many World War two movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like war movies and wore I'm sick
of I've seen what of?
Speaker 1: Right, And there was like and there's a shit ton
of like Sword and Sanders, there's Gladator, there's Brave Heart,
there was Kingdom of Heaven.
Speaker 4: And then it's like all right, okay, like did anybody
see Napoleon?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right, but it's like okay, yeah, you get one of
those coming out. I think you gotta like do something
different zag when everybody's zigging, like if maybe don't, I
don't know, but just like if you just try to
like no, we're just gonna try to adapt the stories
that like everybody loves. I think you're like, okay, I
don't know if we're going to care the average person that.
Speaker 3: Is, yeah, what will you come?
Speaker 2: Probably DC Universe becomes successful.
Speaker 5: I think you just do it one step out a time,
like one movie and try.
Speaker 3: Right now it's just one movie this year and the
next year it's too Yeah.
Speaker 6: But also I think you got to have like a
good I think the script writing was a big thing
for me for the Marvel ones, where I'm kind of
confused of where it's going and if you don't have
that all solidified or like you know, Okay, we're doing
this and then we're doing X, Y Z, and this
is how it's going to connect in the end.
Speaker 4: And if you're just writing off the cuff, I think that.
Speaker 6: Will be harder to try to like, oh, we accidentally
wrote this and we should have wrote that, but it's
too late because it's already done.
Speaker 4: So now we have to like change everything.
Speaker 2: Do reshoots a bunch of stuff, and that costs you
more money.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's just more sit down and really
think further out, like how are you going to what's
the end goal of this whole storyline?
Speaker 4: But it's the ending.
Speaker 6: I think that's the issue with what I'm having with
Marvel is that it feels like there's no ending to
the characters.
Speaker 4: What's the end game?
Speaker 3: The secret war?
Speaker 2: It's they are I think they're they're ending right now.
Speaker 3: Is to do a soft reboot is to semi start over,
but please start over.
Speaker 6: But I think they shouldn't just use the Avengers then,
like the name, they should just read change it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a bit that gets the
audience in that's that is, yes, it does. All those
movies are billion dollars. Endgame, they re released Avatars, so
it took him back. But before that, Endgame was the
movie that finally beat Avatar to be the biggest movie
all time.
Speaker 3: Avengers that is still brand.
Speaker 1: I think that Will Marvel Rivals is fucking printing money
at this point, O Pizza Vet you.
Speaker 3: That both Avengers movies make a billion dollars, Well.
Speaker 4: They still make a billion dollars.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 4: Movies have to make a billion dollars. You know one's
going to come into like nine to seventy nine.
Speaker 2: Non War was like two billion, Endgame was three. Boy,
there were these movies, but Man No Way Home and
like Spiderman, No Wing Home made like almost two billion dollars.
Speaker 6: But the difference with those movies versus these two ones
that are coming out is that those movies had, like,
you know, standalone movies that you can just go and watch,
not you know, five six different characters with ten episodes
or two seasons behind it that you had to watch
to upkeep with what's happening.
Speaker 2: You didn't watch the Thunderbolts, right, No, okay, they're kind
of making Thunderbolts and Fantastic four inspireman, just like the
Quick Shot to like this is the news story now
because they had Kang and obviously some stuff happened with
that actor, so they had to had to pivot there.
But I think that the problem is you're right that
you know, there's not like he's a story movie. But
I've said this before. You put Tote Maguire and he's
Jack on a poster standing side by side. That's a
that's a billion right there. That is a billion right there.
That is a generation of kids and young adults that
grew up like man.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't have been so cooluny we are, we're get a
little hold.
Speaker 2: I'm saying as kids like, oh, it wouldn't have been
so cool if they would have been the same movie.
And now we're adults with wallets and lots of us
with my own kids that well, I will need to
see this.
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing. I'm here's the thing though,
I think if.
Speaker 2: These movies, these next Avenger movies aren't good, then the
next time rolls around, then I would make the bed
and say, maybe won't have a billion, but I think
that brand and then bringing back the big stars and
I don't care downy downy to be guarantees them a
billion for Doom Stable downy he like he.
Speaker 6: I'm not arguing that they're not going to make a
billion dollars and I think it's just be more like,
is it gonna be a good movie?
Speaker 2: Well, that's what we're talking about, though, five Transform movies.
Speaker 4: They don't care, Like any of the Draassic World serious,
they don't care.
Speaker 2: About they're terrible Drassic I like the first one or not,
but like even though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Fast and Furious, that's a good one.
Speaker 5: Draassic Fast.
Speaker 4: What did I did?
Speaker 2: I say drastic? They should do that.
Speaker 4: But that's where it's surprised. It's not a thing.
Speaker 2: They won't care if Avengers those two movies make it now,
of course say we want them well reviewed, I'm not
saying that, but if they can like get some big money,
that's the crescendo, is that people enjoy it because that'll
get them back. Because here's my thing. I've said this
and lean, did you ever see it Bryce Skywalker?
Speaker 4: I unfortunately ended up watching it.
Speaker 2: So what I've said before with some of the issues
that if one of these Avengers movies is Rise of Skywalker,
then that could hurt the brand going forward. But if
these Avenger movies are like a solid seven a that ten, like,
oh I had a fun time. That people will be
happy with seeing those people again, you know.
Speaker 4: Like I think down he Getsos has returned.
Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be a good guy to go around.
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 2: Fuck the way that Downy is a bad guy, and
I think Evan's gonna be a bad guy.
Speaker 3: They'll have those where someone.
Speaker 5: Like Swap from the First Avengers where they are evil.
Speaker 4: Remember the balance should be.
Speaker 2: Fanos from Endgame is not dead. He just got snap
because remember we get snapped, you're not dead, so you
can come back. So I've always said that's how they're
gonna bring him back is they're gonna be desperate. Do
you guys ever you've seen the second Piot's Caribbean, right, yeah,
a long time in the day and the high ending
when they being bring bar Bosa back and he's on
the good side. Yeah, I think they're gonna do that
Fanos where they're gonna be like, man, we really were down,
we need some help, and they're gonna snap.
Speaker 1: Their Disney product that they just absolutely wrung out every
last balloon they.
Speaker 2: Could until they ran out. So I think we got
back on Marvel, but DC, I think they just no.
Speaker 1: This is DC's problem is that we're always gonna compare
it to the MCU, but so you can't do a universe.
Speaker 2: Is a chance, this is the first abistance two thousand
and eight, that DC's gonna have a bigger movie than
Marvel the whole year because like Thunderbolt is no, like
Superman's gonna beat Thunderbolts and Captain America.
Speaker 3: It's just F four, which I don't know how it's
gonna do.
Speaker 2: I don't know because everyone talks about oh, F four
like that's an a tier property.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I don't think people look at Fantastic four as like
one of the big things. I think that's a different generation.
Maybe I'm wrong, though, maybe that comes out makes fucking
eight hundred millions, like, oh man, well they did a
good job there. But there is a chance for the
first time in what you know, seventeen years at DC
beats Marvel, which that to be already. If you can
do that, that's like a little pep in your step
for James Gun, I think to me, the fact that
the movie overall has lots of positivity, I think that's
good all they have to make sure, is it. They
just gotta be consistent to take time because whether you
agree or disagree, the warnvits saw it having BVS and
they pulled that ripcord right away, and then they're in
free fall ever since. Right. Probably even though we didn't
love those movies, whoa, that's like the tumbler over there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what a truck that guy happens though.
Speaker 2: We didn't love those movies, in retrospect, they probably just
should have went through the universe and ended it and
then just moved along the whole like, well, it's kind
of Snider Verse stuff, but it's not like it's connected,
but not like it like messes them up. So I
think they just need to take their time, the big
wigs and Warner brothers, even if this thing isn't a
massive movie, Superman just be okay. I think it's a
win for now. Let's see how it does maybe. And
that's the thing that the actors are cast are fantastic,
like the guy who's played some great like fine. Time
for people to keep falling in love with these characters
because they're never gonna show up for Superman two, Superman three.
If you don't give them a chance to I'm saying,
you go and make Superman two and then A bombs
the you okay, cleary people didn't come up.
Speaker 3: But that is the good thing with streaming is maybe
if they see it and like it, oh, the next time.
Speaker 2: We've all had those movies where go, oh, I wish
I saw some theaters, right, And that's the hope with Superman.
Speaker 3: Those people that stayed home go you know what, I
really enjoy this. I would like to see this at
the drive in, at the Imax. And that's what.
Speaker 2: You gotta give it a chance to consistently grow, and
I hope they do. And I think one to two
movies a year. I think the budgets being down like
clay Face. I don't I'm not excited by that movie,
but I think the idea of keeping that to a
small budget it's a good idea because then you make
that money back. I think that the having your else
World's two like eat your kicking it too. Like you said,
I think they're alway gonna do a universe, but that's
why I wanted to let Matt Rees do his think
beau Is. I think that's great where hey, if you
want a connected universe of all heroes being friends. We
got that.
Speaker 3: But if you just want to watch a movie, we're
just Batman, sol and a crime. We got that too.
Speaker 2: That's on that Marvel I don't like, has never done
and I don't see them doing it in a while
where it's like, hey, we're just gonna make uh you know,
going to Glen Power. We're gonna make Glen Peale Captain
America movie.
Speaker 3: It's a one and done.
Speaker 2: It's like Joker, right, and yeah, have a Joker. They
put the sequel hit Bomb, but Joker was that Joker was, Hey,
you don't want to see anything else.
Speaker 4: I saw Joker. That's I think that was after Endgame.
Speaker 2: Oh you did see Joker, I said, after COVID way
you're sat there, Joker.
Speaker 4: I love Choker.
Speaker 5: Joker, the second one, the first one.
Speaker 2: Second one. So do you see second one? No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I read a synopsis of it, and now his
character's demise is like, no, well it's not I was.
Speaker 2: Not heard the first one, little, but the first one
people came out. If you can make an interesting concept,
it doesn't matter that Jared little Joker was around at
that time. People went out see it and maybe that'll
happen with the Batman. So I just think that they
should do those else World one off projects, but they
should also still try to get that universe going and
see because maybe there is a chance that you guys
are talking about, like Overmone talks about Marvel, what if
it's the perfect timing where those two Avengers movies come
out and fucking suck, but then James Gunn's DC stuff
is putting out quality stuff. The shift at some point
will happen. For a while d C was the top dog,
and then it was Marvel, and then it was DC
and then it was Marvel. At some point Marvel will
drop the baton and they.
Speaker 3: Will get it again.
Speaker 2: And this could be it in the next two years
these Avengers film if they if they do not hit
a slam dump with them and James Gunn is hitting
stuff that people like then right away and thinking you're
gonna get another Robert Pass and Batman, You're gonna get
a new wonder One.
Speaker 3: There is a chance.
Speaker 2: So that's why I think with James Gunn, just play
it safe for now and see what happens with Marvel.
Don't try and do what they did in twenty seventeen
and rush to try and get to Justiceleeka's man, they're
making Avengers movies right now, so it's just like and
even then James Gun on his slate, he's announce.
Speaker 3: The Just Legue movie.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, we'll get there one day, but we're not,
like that's not on the slates like a like a
thing we're doing the next two years. And I think
that's a good idea, Like wait, maybe that's why they wait.
It's like, don't do justice right now while Avengers is happening,
because it'll look like lesser than wait till soon happens,
because maybe and she just shoots himself on the foot
and then people are like, you know what, it was
fun to see down again, but I don't need to
ever see yeah again. You know.
Speaker 1: One thing I'd say is so David Zaslov has the
head of Warner Brothers. Yeah, he's just a content terrorist.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 4: He has canceled so many things that I love.
Speaker 1: Uh So he basically what he does is he goes
into companies and he makes a stockholders a shit ton
of money, but mostly through short term gain. So he
just went in and canceled everything. Beckerl I think was
one of the things that he canceled. Yes, was like
the movie was the movie was done. Yeah, let's just
say there's some okay, well it done enough not to
just throw out of Yeah, and it's like, are you
gonna do some post production?
Speaker 4: Whatever you throw in theaters, you throw it on your
streaming service, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But he's also the same dude that for whatever fucking reason,
it's HBO now, it's Max. Now, it's MAXC Now, it's
Max Now, it's back to HBO.
Speaker 4: Like that's all him.
Speaker 1: He is an interesting wild card in this scenario because
I could also to see him random. We've being like
we're selling Superman. We're gonna make a trillion dollars selling
a Superman.
Speaker 3: Right away.
Speaker 2: I think they write and that's what I think. This
is the thing where you might get your wish where
there's two ways. I think if this DCU doesn't work,
they will go back to just solo stories from now on,
or they will do like video games, where I think
they will.
Speaker 3: Either sell or start to license out these characters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, yeah, we do want.
Speaker 2: To make a Batman movie. Amazon, Apple, Disney, you guys
want to make one, we'll partner together the same way
Sony does with the Spiderman movies with.
Speaker 3: Marvel and just say, hey, Apple, you want to make
a Batman movie?
Speaker 4: Great?
Speaker 2: And I think that I think that's still like longer
down the route because I think they're gonna see this
universe out and see what happens. But if it doesn't work,
then they will, they'll go that route and then so
you I just I think the Avengers are gonna work
and they're gonna get more mileage out of it. I
don't see.
Speaker 3: I think you can't get back to being like every
movie put out. It's a billion.
Speaker 2: But I still think if you do Avengers, Spider Man,
and I think X X Men's like if they get
X Men right, that's.
Speaker 3: Ten years with the story.
Speaker 2: They're good, like they that's one of them. When you
talk about like open up your main pillars, that's three
x ME movies right there that are gonna you know,
cast it right, you know, Like I agree at some
point Hugh Jackman has to go. I'm not opposed a
few Jackman sticks around for those not neither mind, but like,
and you got Spider Man, you get other characters. So yeah,
anything else you want to say we end this off?
Could you guys home, is it stark out? And I
know kylee pretty early.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I will be working tomorrow morning. Yeah, but I
work from home, so it's not too bad.
Speaker 2: But I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything else to say as we end this?
Speaker 1: No, I thought I thought it would just be fun
to take a picture of us actually recording this because
everyone's like.
Speaker 2: We don't want to. Well, you know, it's streams, so
many people can watch it.
Speaker 3: But well, there's a muscle.
Speaker 4: This is the content that people want.
Speaker 2: You got a photo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like you're actually like live and Travis.
You've got the back in front of you. So but
there you go.
Speaker 2: That's a good kind of you know, we we started
off kind of all while over the place. But uh yeah,
we'll see, hope. We will try not to make this
as as long again. We'll try to try to do this.
You know, this was honor in the ten year, but
we'll try and maybe maybe try in every quarter.
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll try to what's your Uh no, no, let's
let's end it with this.
Speaker 1: Okay, five ten year predictions for these hopefully both m
SEU and the DC franchise.
Speaker 4: Kyle will start with.
Speaker 5: You sorry say that again?
Speaker 1: So in five years, yeah, because there's twenty in twenty
thirty and then in twenty thirty five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where do you think these are going to be?
Speaker 6: Like where do you think, like myself, where I'm gonna
be God the franchise, Yeah, yeah, it could be dead
yeah no, no.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, Phase three.
Speaker 5: I think in five years Marvel will fumble the bag.
Speaker 6: Okay than and ten years they'll come back longer than that, Okay,
so they're.
Speaker 4: Gonna have a comeback within the next anniversaries.
Speaker 5: But also I kind of feel like they're funneling the
bay right now.
Speaker 1: So hey, they feel like, honestly, God, it's like a
great athlete in the last couple of years of their career.
I don't want to see him go out like this,
but god, I hope they still got one more good run.
Speaker 2: And does that happen In a lot of those things,
people be like, oh, five years ago, that's a scary things.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're a fig but what if you get someone
worse than fun And I.
Speaker 4: Don't think work Max Landis comes back.
Speaker 1: A lot of this.
Speaker 2: Stuff was not exactly all of Figgy's issues. There's a
lot of power struggles, but still, like you know, it
could be that athlete things. Okay to Marvel, Are we
doing Marvel first? NDC? Yeah, I think I will say
for both brands, I like, honestly, I do think it
go either way. But if I'm making my prediction of the.
Speaker 4: Head, I think that five years and then ten, five
years and then ten, I.
Speaker 2: Think they will be relatively the same where I think
it's going to be back to MSU phase two where
they would get a couple of billion hits and then
a lot of them were more you know, like like
yah man, they main like I think, like a high
four or five hundred, like respectable numbers because they think
they're gonna be more picky and choosy. So I think
that's where they're I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'll say they'll never get back to the endgame hype.
Speaker 2: But that's kind of tough because that was like a
they were lucky they even got to that to walk
it back for the shit they get. Now, they're even
lucky that Avengers work the first Avengers, because that could
have been terrible and went off like this idea of
let's put all these characters together back and so I
think they're gonna respectively sit at a phase two coasting
as long as Foggy's there, because I think the X
Men buys them some time. Tom Holland's still a very
young guy, so you know, you got another The good
thing is you got another five years and then guess
what they do, Miles Morales and they got that handoff, right,
you have both Benedick and Hempsworth are still sticking around.
And I do think that they should do a soft reboot,
and they should recast Iron Man. They should recast Captain America.
And maybe this is a hot take. I don't know.
I don't even know how I feel about this. Maybe
they should get themselves into a situation where they make
it more like James Bond, where you can recast an
Iron Man. It's not the end of the world. You
have to reboot every single time you do this.
Speaker 4: And just Spider Man's kind of like that.
Speaker 3: But it still is universal, right.
Speaker 1: But I mean, but they've recast Spider Man enough and
everybody's like, oh, I like this take on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Batman's like that.
Speaker 3: They always have to start over, right.
Speaker 2: That's the thing where right now, if someone walked and
they didn't look like Robert Downey, he'd be like, well, Tony,
you don't.
Speaker 3: You don't look the same.
Speaker 2: So maybe I say, if they do a soft reboot,
you kind of change it where it's okay, because then
every time you that's a tough thing every time. Now
going forward, you want to tell these Avengers characters Ironman
and Captain America, Steve Rogers is off the board, right,
So that's a tough thing where if you make it.
But at the same point, you can make the argument
that the AMSTEGUTSI pop it because of cannectivity. So it's
just like, oh, you can just recast any point. I
don't care because then now it's like, oh my my
favorite actor's gone that role. At least you could say,
oh Rob Danne got this big sit it off, Chris
Siva's got this big send off me.
Speaker 3: So I think you're damn damnipe.
Speaker 2: But I think they're gonna return Phase two form and
codes for about five ten years and just get some
big hits. But they're not always gonna be like you
look at the top ten box office in the top
Fox all Marvel. I think they're always gonna have at
least a film in there or two. So okay, cow DC,
what do you gonna give us for five to ten
years for Marvel.
Speaker 4: I think Marvel's gonna go tits up in ten.
Speaker 1: Uh what do you mean by like no films at
all or just like yeah, I think I think people
are gonna be done. Ten years, will be not a
single ten yeah, non five. But I think in ten years,
I think it's gonna be like they're actually gonna like before,
they're just not gonna be able to make the return
on it.
Speaker 3: And thirty five there will not be a single Marvel
film released in that year.
Speaker 4: No wow, Okay, I'll put that down.
Speaker 1: And then but if if they do, I do think
though that your idea of like they license it out,
I think that's what happens. DC is gonna be on
the ninth re boot of their Justice Y franchise. This
time it's not James gun It's actually gonna be a
son Uh yeah, but whatever, but it's gonna they're gonna
I have all the faith in James Gunn.
Speaker 4: I don't have faith in Warner Brothers.
Speaker 1: So I think that they're gonna like they're gonna fuck
it up and or they're gonna get Hey, we didn't
get to it fast enough. We didn't make the money
quick enough. All Right, we're gonna try something new now.
And I feel like everything with Warner Brothers kind of
falls into that.
Speaker 2: Like my only hope is if they do, because I
still think they might sell Warner Brothers in general, right
and just know where Warm Brother's just gone. My hope
is for Gun and me myself that the DCU is
good enough and has done well enough that if they
sell it, they're like yeah, but like let's like, like Gun,
you still got a place here, right, It's like when
you see what's sold. Dana White does not own a
single piece of equity in UFC, but he is still.
Speaker 3: In the president ever since I sold it.
Speaker 2: Why because like, hey, you're running it, it's doing good.
Keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's the for me, the hope that they
could do as far as the universe is running.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm like, oh, we're gonna sell it. Maybe we
don't love the box.
Speaker 2: Office all these but then it's only an Apple, Apple
or Amazon gets it and like, oh, sure, keep doing
your thing, Jimmy Guns, because they and if it's like, oh,
we're just gonna reboot again, it's like I don't I
don't think. I think Marvel can reboot and start over,
and people might want to try again because they feel
much good will with what happened with the Endgame. IK
DC isn't a for my five ten year prediction. They
can't reboot. They can't do it to their universe.
Speaker 4: I'll say so.
Speaker 2: And how it's gonna go, I really don't know. I
don't know how Supergirl film's gonna do. I don't know
how Clay Faces film's gonna do.
Speaker 3: I don't know any of this stuff's gonna do it.
Speaker 5: Interesting characters they're picking's not right.
Speaker 2: He likes those, the weird ones, the superwol to me,
makes sense. If Superman's a big hit, that's a that's
like a way of doing a sequel. Sequel right away.
I'm like, hey, and I really liked this, like the
introduction of this character, and nearly all Cock's gonna blow
up in the next couple of years there, so that
could be a nice sleeper pick for them, like hey,
we really slid this in.
Speaker 3: There, or it could just be like, yeah, I don't
I only fuck with Superman and I don't. I don't
know that.
Speaker 2: Answer because you know, it's the box office is weird.
It's weird the stuff that works up. But I think
my actual prediction I'll to say in five years, here's
I'll say this. In five years, the DCU will still
be running, not saying that the successful not. They'll get drying.
In ten years, they'll at least be owned by someone else.
And I'm not gonna say the DCU is successful or
not still. I'd just be like, you can be yeah,
by somebody. It could happen in five but I think
regardless of ten years, they'll be owned by somebody.
Speaker 3: Is James Gunn still running it there? I don't know,
we'll see.
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, Kyle, your DC tenda's off your five
to ten year DC prediction.
Speaker 6: My five year DC prediction would be if I think
DC will still kind of stay where it's at right now,
like it won't do amazing and they won't do like
bad and I actually think they'll just stay more consistent
of what they've been doing for the last ten years.
Speaker 4: I don't think they'll be either.
Speaker 6: Like I think they might have like one or two
movies that will be really good, just kind of like
the Batman movies that we've seen, and they already have
Joker because it's kind of been happening for the last
five years.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're reading the biggest radar movie time. Yeah, just
like nothing that's sneeze that that's like a big that's
a big win. Yeah, in the billion dollars.
Speaker 3: That's tough.
Speaker 6: But I feel like, you know, when there's money involved,
a lot of these movies won't get kind of what
they should be getting, like like money put into it
as in like you know, as you said, the writers
and the cast, and you know, they get more portions
and you know, get better quality. Until the quality of
the movie, as in the writing gets better, I think
you're still gonna have a hard time trying to get
these big billion dollar movies unless you have, like I
think what's what Marvel's been doing is like the big
cgi fight scenes and all of that, which could be.
Speaker 3: That it's funny.
Speaker 2: I had like a lower opening weekend than The Batman,
but then It's Monday was bigger, and then this Tuesday
it was the biggest Tuesday of twenty twenty five. So
the word of mouth has been doing really good for
Superman as far as because I think it's I think
it is a good summer movie. Like you want to
have a good time, because I think people are right
now in the world, with America especially just one have
a good time Atwies. For the most part, I think
it's all Alpenheimal sneaking where it's like, oh, this is
very like Dowur but very important and I like the content.
But I think we're in a situation where people just
want to have fun, and I think that's a good thing.
That Superman is so and again we don't know the
story Superman. It just came out this week. It's the
It's still open lower than mass Steel, but by three millions,
so that's not like a thing. It's pretty comparable. I
know people say, oh inflation, that is true. But at
the same time, so many less people go to the
theaters now than they did in twenty thirteen. O what happens,
Streamy happened, and mans Steel was like at the height,
Like that came out the year after the Avengers and
Dark Knight rises. That's getting to the height era of
comp where right now there now I think like that's
where if I'm DC, I look at the box off
assuming right now is like a win. It's like, oh,
it's close to Man Steel Great, a movie from twelve
years ago. It opened just a few million shy of
that great. But that's the question of do they have
that mindset or do they go, oh, you know, like
it's not gonna make as much. It's like no, like
just think about I This is my last point. I'm
sorry listeners, you're gonna hear this for the third time
this week. If you look at the box office this year,
there's the biggest movie this year is a form of
movie called Niza two.
Speaker 1: Don't know what, Oh that was the Chinese one, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's the biggest film.
Speaker 2: And then it goes Leland and Stitch Minecraft and those
are both at like nine hundred jesus a billion dollar movie,
nine hundred million, nine er million. And then in fourth
place is Mission Impossible at five seventeen a massive.
Speaker 4: Draw sequels and remix.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still like a point as far as like
before the top ten always used to be like, okay,
billion billion, nine hundred eight hundred, It's like, no, it's
nine hundred to five hundred. It's like a four hundred
million drop between third place and fourth place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like the peel warmas need to look Superman. Be like, hey,
this isn't fucking twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen money. But if
you can have you know, a top opening that it's
like for today's day and age, be happy with that.
Don't think about what happened with that. Think about kay
currently twenty twenty five and I looked at the I
delete the stats, but like for COVID, like since twenty twenty,
I took the Superman opening weekend, I said, Okay, what
would it have for the last five years. In twenty
twenty one it would have the second biggest opening of
the year, In twenty twenty two would have been ninth,
and then twenty three and twenty.
Speaker 4: Four was four and four.
Speaker 2: So that means the last four years the Superman movie
would have been the top ten. To me, that's like
a I think it's like two thousand up. Keep doing
what you're doing, because like there's franchises that would.
Speaker 3: Die to have like those type of numbers. Right, So
it's like the spots.
Speaker 2: It's not as big as you know, Joker or the
Dark Knight or Avengers, but it's twenty twenty five big,
which you know is still smaller, but like, just be
happy with it.
Speaker 3: But that's I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if people make certain promisesn't go.
Speaker 6: All we I guess it's what it's relative though, right,
Like if all these movies are making a billion dollars,
then obviously then they're.
Speaker 4: Not right now they are like you know, or you're.
Speaker 6: Just saying, like you know, the Leos and Stitch like
they're a billion or nine hundred million dollars.
Speaker 5: Well, if that's kind of the new normal.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's the tippy top where before, like, let
me pull up before we end this off.
Speaker 3: That's our third ending.
Speaker 4: Hey, like that is a classic podcast, So.
Speaker 2: Like the I'll pull up like twenty nineteen, right, So
twenty nineteen, listen, this is the top ten. Avengers Endgame
two point seventy nine billion dollars, Lion King one point
six billion, Frozen two one point.
Speaker 4: Four billion, except for the year this is yet whole
year twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Frozen twos one point four, Spider Man is one point three,
Captain Marvel one point one, Joker one billion, right, Skywalker
one billion, Twist for four one.
Speaker 3: Billion, Aladdin one billion, and.
Speaker 4: Then I made a billion dollars and then eight.
Speaker 2: Hundred and one million dollars. So to that point, like
what's relative In twenty nineteen, the whole top tens filled
a billion dollar movies, but it's.
Speaker 4: Not like that.
Speaker 2: So that's why I just, yeah, they have if they
have a twenty twenty five mindset, their gold just like hey,
Superman will hopefully grow because you don't know, maybe two
years put screen out and it doesn't, but maybe it does.
But if there's people and that's what happened with Hops
and we didn't love the Snyder films right like Man
still on BVS. But that's what happened back then was
BBS didn't had a billion and Warner Brothers freaked out
because you have all these other Marvel movies making this money,
and why aren't we Granted, I'm not saying they're completely wrong,
because BVS to me should have made a billion dollars
the first time ever batten too many in a movie,
you should have.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, like you at least a
bad movie.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, that bad movie made eight
hundred and seventy nine million dollars, and you can maybe
make the argument like Transformers, like hey, people like this,
just keep giving it to them. It doesn't matter what
it's reviewing. Because Transformers did that. They didn't fucking care,
and they had five movies in the room made like
a billion dollars, where Warner Brothers was like, we didn't
make one, and then what happened was they took that
away and then they had a lot of other movies
other than your odd Wonder Room knock a band, like.
Speaker 3: Not too well, like those two side squad on that one.
Don't take that back, but like eat all you know.
Speaker 2: Stuff, So I know, we'll see, we'll see see.
Speaker 3: I'll thank you gumming again for joining me this lot.
Speaker 2: I thought we were just gonna do an hour, but
of course we did an hour for it. I was like, oh,
we'll do an hour in and out clean, but lots
of rants and rays and repeating and whatnot. So uh, yeah,
let us know your thoughts down below anywhere in the discord.
Like I said, we'll try and do this a bit
more often. But it was good to get this together
and good to do this while I'll work out your
in town because.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah I didn't have to like skype
in Yeah, need my phone.
Speaker 2: Microphone and whatnot, So yeah, thank you everyone that tuned in.
I think everyone's going to listen to it later on
on the replay, and uh, it won't be born.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry to tell you my mic was