WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:10.839 All right, next category is cool. 2 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:16.199 Dude to the Year TENDERUC categories or nominees are Joe 3 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:21.399 Musashi of Shinobi, Samoa Joe from Pirate, Yakisak. 4 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:27.079 Kinako from Silent Hell, f Indiana, Jones from Indiana, Jones. 5 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:29.120 Apsu from Ghost of Yota. 6 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:31.879 Pizza Chef from Death Stranding. 7 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:35.359 To King of All Cosmos of Once Upon a Katamari Fame, 8 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:42.240 Donkey Kong Samus, sight Seeing Mario, what is that Mariachi 9 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:43.439 wa Luigi. 10 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:46.280 Cruister from Arc Raiders. 11 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:53.479 Oh yes, sure, sight seeing Mario. Mario is like backwards hat, sunglasses, 12 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:57.920 Mario sunshine beach shirt shorts, probably from from Mario kart World. 13 00:00:57.960 --> 00:00:59.960 They all have these different like like you just see 14 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.240 this Dude's like, man, that's a cool Mario. Mario's never ever, 15 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:04.000 ever been cool. 16 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:07.840 Mario. Mario is not a cool character. I'm looking up, 17 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:11.480 which one do you want? Thank you? 18 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.120 I okay, I think he's very cool and I'm going 19 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:17.079 to pull up the thing and you need to describe 20 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:17.439 this man. 21 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:19.239 I think he's very cool. 22 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:24.159 Look, how fucking cool that man? He's a cool dude. 23 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:30.680 Flip flops, he's smoking? Why is there? Yeah? No exciting 24 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:34.239 Mario is fantastic. And then I will also pull up 25 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:36.920 a mariachi just so you can see that, which is 26 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:40.359 kind of exactly what you would expect him look like. 27 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:44.840 Uh that this is just a good mariaci. And also 28 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.439 like his idle animation. He's like doing this like snapping thing, 29 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:50.959 like just a very cool variant of Wallaway, got. 30 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:54.760 Like sort of Deadlos Martost kind of vibe going on fantastic. 31 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:58.840 Yes, cooler, that's tough. Samoa Joe is in Pirate Yakaz 32 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:03.079 and I not play this game, but I've seen Joe 33 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:05.439 in there, and that's the thing I just want. Samoa 34 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.599 Joe is maybe just the coolest dude. I could still 35 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:12.159 take him, but he's he is. I know you guys 36 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:14.520 aren't wrestling people. Just trust me when I say Samoa 37 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:16.479 Joe kicks ass. He loves games. 38 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:17.080 Uh. 39 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:19.879 I cannot say enough about this man. And I want 40 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:21.479 to see him do more video game stuff. He's in 41 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:23.120 Twisted Metal Pyriocisan. 42 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:23.319 Now. 43 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:27.080 Loving games hasn't made me cool? Have you seen yourself 44 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:27.719 in the mirror lately? 45 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:31.080 Judge? 46 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:33.840 Can we put Judge Jake on cool? 47 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:36.759 No? 48 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:39.719 No, no, it's already a crammed category. Crammed I want 49 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:44.319 to keep is rooster the gun salesman. No, it's the rooster. Oh, 50 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:49.680 the chicken, the cowboy hat whatever, chicken, rooster whatever? Which 51 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.479 is which is a chicken? Boysters are chicken? 52 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:56.240 Yeah? Okay, okay, but you can give him the cowboy hat. Yeah, 53 00:02:56.439 --> 00:03:00.280 and he just I love also to that a pair. Currently, 54 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:02.080 you just never see him. He's not like modeled in 55 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:03.360 the game, which as you get back, he's like, you 56 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:04.360 found a bunch of shit for you. 57 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:06.360 Oh yeah, he's doing a job. 58 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:07.280 Run a nice guy. 59 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:10.000 Yeah yeah, oh you see him in the UI. Yeah, 60 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:12.759 he's like and he like does you know he shakes it? 61 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:13.599 But not in the game. 62 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:14.719 You're not like down. 63 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:20.159 The Yeah, the hideout is like florified menus. Yes, my 64 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:22.599 chickens are fucking cool too. Have you been to Key West? 65 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:23.400 They're cool. 66 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:24.680 If you put a cowboy hair one of them, that 67 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:27.479 makes them even cooler. That sounds it's a cool, dude. 68 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:31.800 I want to like someone, I don't. 69 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:32.919 I don't want to cut, so I don't know how 70 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.560 helpful this Isn't you have to if anybody has an 71 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:37.840 obvious cut, go for it. I just I think is 72 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:41.639 a really good character. Yeah, that's awesome bad ass, great badass. 73 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:46.520 Along those lines, Tinico is so so fucking cool because 74 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.479 they are putting her in some of the most absurdly scary, 75 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:54.000 terrifying situations that I've ever seen, and in no point 76 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.960 is she just like this sobbing mess. She's just like cool. 77 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:58.560 I guess I gotta hit this person with a board 78 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:00.439 with a nail in it, Like, let's go. Oh, this 79 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:05.639 person is an action hero wrapped in the body of 80 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:08.800 a schoolgirl. I'm like obsessed with her. I think they 81 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:11.319 did such a good job with making her the protagonist. 82 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:15.159 I'm really I was blown away by the character development 83 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.319 of this and just how rad she is, so absolutely cool, 84 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:20.279 deserving of being on here. I will fight for her. 85 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:22.319 She is an incredible character. 86 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:26.240 I don't want to I don't want to spoil anything, 87 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:27.759 and it depends on interpretations. 88 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:31.759 But there's one interpretation where I'm like, maybe she's not so. 89 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.519 Cool though, you know, but that's what makes her nuanced 90 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:37.279 and interesting and silent. Hill is actually about that the 91 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:41.759 protagonists have a history of like being like sometimes complicated 92 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.040 and shitty, but like that's what makes them like in 93 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:46.160 the moment, you're just like, damn, this person's really going 94 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:48.399 through hell and high water for what they believe in 95 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:50.199 good to make. 96 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:52.040 A character like I've never really seen written in a 97 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:56.399 game before in a way they've it's very very well 98 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:59.399 written character with some very cool moments. 99 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.000 I I'm with Mary where I think I'd fight for 100 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:05.439 her too, at least for now. Now, I want to 101 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:09.079 offer two cuts. One King of All Cosmos. I think 102 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:12.120 I added him. He's like I just always found him 103 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:14.800 to be a very just cool, funny, flamboyant, just like 104 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:16.000 loud character. 105 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:16.759 Visually appealing. 106 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:17.959 Yeah, it's just very cool. 107 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:22.199 Yeah, I just think he's hilarious. I mean, there's nothing 108 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:24.639 really in one spin acateemory that makes him that much 109 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.839 different than any other Kadmary games. So I think we 110 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.439 cut that, and then Indiana Jones. It's just like, look, 111 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.720 Indiana Jones has been Indiana Jones since nineteen eighty four. 112 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:35.040 He's always been cool. 113 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:37.439 There's nothing in the Great Circle that like I would 114 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.399 say he's less cool in this because it's not. It's 115 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:43.079 not actually Harrison Fort you know, like he's still cool 116 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:44.199 because he's Indiana Jones. 117 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:45.720 But like it's, oh, yeah, we should. 118 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:48.079 I don't know if we ever mentioned last year we 119 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:49.800 did our game of the year at a time when 120 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.240 we can all get together. Yes, the two major games 121 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:54.759 that came out that we promised we would talk about 122 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.000 didn't say necessarily, we promised we'd love them. Where Indiana Jones, 123 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:01.959 The Great Circle and Stalker Too hard of Chernobyl. So 124 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.279 that's why Indiana Jones is on here because we wanted 125 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:05.800 to make sure we touched on them. 126 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:08.120 But I think we cut that and can go all Cosmos. 127 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.240 I'll make the argument for Samos here. Like Samus, I 128 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.319 think she's always just looked incredible. It's like like one 129 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.079 of the coolest designs ever. But also in this game, 130 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:18.959 it's funny because like some people hate the fact that 131 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.920 there's like extra characters and stuff added here, but like 132 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:24.560 these other characters when they meet Samus, they're always just 133 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:26.759 like kind of fan It's like, oh my god's fucking Samos. 134 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:28.360 Like there's one girl who's just like, I don't I 135 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:29.519 want to take a picture with you, and I'm like 136 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:32.360 I can't believe I'm meeting Samus, and and they're all 137 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:35.279 just kind of marking out, and she doesn't talk, so 138 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:37.160 like she just kind of like stares at them while 139 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:39.319 they're being like fanboys, and like at most she'll just 140 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:41.879 kind of like no or just like shrug, and it's 141 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.160 just like not at all. It's just nonplus by this 142 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:46.560 and just doing the coolest shit. You know, when you 143 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:49.079 summon your motorcycles, just a twenty foot backlip in the 144 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:52.240 air lands super gracefully on this sweet fucking space motorcycle 145 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:54.600 and cruises across the desert. It's just and then every 146 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:56.879 like you know in Metroid games, as you get upgrades 147 00:06:56.920 --> 00:06:59.639 and things like that, or whole new suits, the design 148 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.120 of suit changes, and there are a couple of times 149 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:04.879 in Metrod Prime four where they're like larger changes happened 150 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:07.279 to the suit, and it's just like, oh, that looks 151 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:09.759 like I've seen so many cool Samus designs, but there 152 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:11.360 were a couple of times in this was like, God, 153 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:12.639 damn it, that's a cool design. 154 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.079 I was sold on having her in this list when 155 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:17.759 I got Violin just stopped on the bike and the 156 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.120 way she just stands there, and I'm like, Osh, so 157 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:20.879 fucking cool. 158 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:25.800 Yeah, like Alzheimer, that's cool. The veal is incredible. Yeah, yeah, 159 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:26.480 I want to keep her. 160 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.759 I can't keep both of your cool Nintendo boys. 161 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:36.079 Both of them A lot of Yeah, favorite bro, all right, 162 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:37.600 I will I want to. 163 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:39.319 I want to say, I think this is a strategic 164 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:41.759 choice by you to have like four of something from 165 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:43.480 the same game. That way you have to get one 166 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.839 of her men from the same good person from sacrificing 167 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:51.399 one when you magically put in multiple there's two from Favorite. 168 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.839 I love WALLOWEGI sight seeing Mario. He's got sunglasses. He 169 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:00.600 just looks cooler. Yeah, but flip flops are just never, 170 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:02.600 They're so rarely Mario pulls it off. 171 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:04.800 I don't think so. I think he looks he's more 172 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:13.879 gonna go wrong. Uh Joe from Shinobi is like it's 173 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:15.839 a cool ninja. Like I mean, like there's a lot 174 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:17.000 of cool ninjas and video games. 175 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:24.120 Dude, cool fucking ninja's way Cooler's cooler? Your fighting for 176 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:28.000 uh Mario more than a ninja. 177 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:30.279 I don't know if I'll fight for Mario more than 178 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:33.279 Atsu because Atsu is like God, I just love Like, 179 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:36.559 you know, you'll encounter like three cocky dudes just like 180 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:38.120 like a non story thing and it's like, oh, who 181 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.200 are these three assholes, like you know, riding horses around 182 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:40.519 you walking. 183 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:42.919 I guess I'm gonna get my bounty, you're gonna kill you, 184 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:43.720 and she'll. 185 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:45.320 Just like walk up like pull a stord out, say 186 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.120 something cool, and you just slaughter them. 187 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:51.360 She shuts their head off, she plays the fun pulls 188 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:53.919 a guitar out, plays a guitar, and a wolf shows up. 189 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:00.399 She kills you. She wipes your blood on this like like. 190 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:04.600 This is the word scary ass masks and stuff like 191 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:05.879 she's so I. 192 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:07.600 Said this during Oh man, this is more of a 193 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.720 like a later in the episode, but like I said 194 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:11.559 this when we talked about the game in the first 195 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.960 episode after embargo, the game kind of encourages you to 196 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.279 embrace how bad ass she is. You get a mask 197 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:21.120 from all of the major characters you kill, So when 198 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:22.519 I started doing I was like, you get a lot 199 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:25.039 of cool looking masks in that game. Yeah, it felt 200 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:27.279 most badass to me to wear the mask of the 201 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.000 one I most recently killed from the main crew, because 202 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:31.600 then I show up to the next one, and then 203 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:34.200 the cut scenes you're wearing the snake's mask when you're 204 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:35.320 about like they're like, oh. 205 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.840 My recognize it and I don't even know address it, 206 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.720 but it's like, hey, you know where this came from. 207 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:46.320 Yeah, she's cool. And then like, I also appreciate that 208 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.200 the sucker punch. I think she can get a bit 209 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:51.600 one note if you're just playing a lot of the 210 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.879 side stuff, but the main storyline when you get into 211 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:57.279 I think they introduce characters that play really good foils 212 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:59.080 to her in a way that she's like, uh, maybe 213 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:01.600 I was just kind of killing way too many people 214 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.759 the last ten hours, which I appreciate that. Right when 215 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:08.159 I'm like, maybe she's not the badass, they're like this, 216 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:09.440 and then she changed, Yeah, I don't know. 217 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:11.840 I just think you're just extremely killing people. 218 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:15.840 Yeah, I get she has she's up there, she's got 219 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:17.440 reasons to be pissed off after. 220 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:19.399 Talking about these really fucking rad people. 221 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:24.120 I think that the rooster is out all right, But yeah. 222 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:25.480 Rooster wins to these women. 223 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:31.840 Okay, I guess we got them. 224 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.240 That Rooster always gives me my stuff. 225 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.679 I'm an ally, so I gotta pick a woman. 226 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:47.559 I guess fucking Atsu, fucking Hinko and sam Is just 227 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:49.320 have to win now or else I'm an. 228 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:54.080 Idiot, problematic. I think about it. 229 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:55.759 Has anyone seen the Rooster's tweets? 230 00:10:55.799 --> 00:11:02.159 You milkshake rooster God? Uh all right, let's cut Donkey 231 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:03.039 Kong is always cool. 232 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:04.799 Where was he January? 233 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:08.120 DK doesn't know who the president is? 234 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.480 This guy is fine? Is he the coolest? 235 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.080 There's nothing in Bonanza that makes him cooler than I've 236 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:18.159 just I've always thought Donkey Kong was just a cool 237 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.120 dude I'd like to hang out with. I still feel 238 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.919 that way. He's admirable. Like his entire goal is to 239 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.639 get bananas. Just loves bananas. If you do, if you 240 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.039 hung out with Donkey Kong, I think he slams some 241 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.799 nanners dead. What do you think? I just think he 242 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:35.799 would be a positive presence to be around. He's just 243 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:37.759 like grunting and giving thumbs up and stuff. 244 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:39.000 And like I just like the whole as punch of 245 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:39.799 beer he'sching. 246 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:42.840 If he hasn't ha beer, I would like I would 247 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:44.799 peer pressure Donkey Kong and getting drunk with me. He 248 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:47.840 would punch a hole to China if he would drank 249 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:57.600 enough beers from here, hanging off like Polly arrested to 250 00:11:57.679 --> 00:11:59.600 walk the line, like duy, he's got up. 251 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:01.480 He's got one of the construction hats with beer like 252 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.720 it's just some ouda pills funneling into his mouth the 253 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:04.840 whole way through the core. 254 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:08.480 He's great, but he's always been great. Nothing special. 255 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:12.279 This here so for pirate yakus, I have a question, 256 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:15.600 is this is this Samoa Joe's coolest. 257 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.519 Because it's because it's Samoa Joe. That's it. 258 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:20.120 Like, I can't. 259 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:21.919 I don't have an argument here. I haven't played the game. 260 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:24.759 I also want to raise the point I fear for 261 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:28.399 us if we cut him. If he ever sees this, 262 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:29.639 I'm just joking. 263 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:32.360 Take him. 264 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:36.080 I'm afraid of that guy. Guys, guys, as long as 265 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:37.399 you're in my presence, you're safe. 266 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:42.960 Even do an the room as the situation, I'll let. 267 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:44.600 You guys know what the plan A, B, and C 268 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:52.039 is for escaping. No, I understand cutting. I have some 269 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.120 sort of fake sumo suit that I just bounce off him. 270 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:59.919 Hopefully Joe will take pity on you once you've pissed yourself. 271 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:04.279 Yeah, we can cut what you want me to. 272 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.799 Fuck, Maybe we cut him since none of us have 273 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.440 played the game he's in. Yes, probably a good Joe 274 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:12.320 for being very cool. 275 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:14.960 Wow, a very impressive cool dude of the Year that 276 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:17.840 he made it as far as he did without us. 277 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:24.000 Playing Pizza chef. Uh yeah, pizza Chef it's it's just 278 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.440 one of those wacky codem moments where it's like, oh what, 279 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:27.080 he's so. 280 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:30.600 Wacky Coachima, Oh my god, can you go back up 281 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.840 to most up its own ass and increase the font 282 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:34.519 of Kojima? 283 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:36.720 Have you seen the pizza chef fight. 284 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:41.240 No, it is a super choreographed, impressive fun fight where 285 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:43.519 you're in a pizza kitchen, rolling over counters and stuff. 286 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:45.240 They're on pizza at each other and like it's a 287 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:46.600 it's just a cool scene. 288 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:47.240 Uh. 289 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.120 And he's one who teaches you pizza dough and everything. 290 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:52.679 Kojima stumbled across that TikToker who does all the fancy 291 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:55.039 like pizza do flips in his backyard and punched the messtuff. 292 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:56.320 He's like, I'm gonna put that in my game, even 293 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:57.399 though it doesn't make sense. 294 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:00.159 No, everything the logic is sound. With everything he has 295 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.679 ever done, we can cut him. 296 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:08.759 We got one more to cut? 297 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:15.360 Well, can't being morow because I'm not an l I I. 298 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:18.960 Mean I think I think it should, I really do. 299 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:21.240 I want to be clear, this is not about like, 300 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:24.639 this is not a gender battle. One of these is 301 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:32.320 obviously not fucking as cool as you're out of your mind. 302 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:33.960 Well, I didn't play it, so can't be that. 303 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.279 That's not my fault that you don't game enough. 304 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:38.559 There is something that happens in side. I won't say 305 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:40.279 what is, but there's singing having sound hill f that 306 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:43.960 is way more badass. That does more than anyone on 307 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:44.440 this list. 308 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:46.360 Have you seen Sight Seeing Mario? 309 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:47.120 Yes? 310 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:48.840 Yeah, because you google for us. 311 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:52.440 I don't think Hanako should just stay. I'm I'm fighting 312 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:56.039 for Hanako to win over. I am not kidding. She 313 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:59.960 is the most badass protagonist. She is so fucking cool. 314 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.279 The way she keeps her calm and collective under the 315 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.519 most extreme conditions should be studied. And they make it believable. 316 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:10.559 She's not just this like numb person who's going through this. 317 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:14.799 She's suffering, but she fucking gets her shit together and 318 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:20.240 stabs people through the pain. It's unbelievable what she goes through. 319 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.240 And like there is a scene that is just like 320 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:25.840 it is. 321 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:27.559 Yeah, it's something else, like I haven't seen it in 322 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:31.600 a game before Hyperbolic, but like there's a moment in 323 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:33.879 that game where it turns and I'm like, oh, I 324 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:35.519 can't They're not doing this, They're not doing this, And 325 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:36.919 then they do it, and I'm like, whoa. 326 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:40.039 Okay, okay, don't take your word for it. So are 327 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:42.600 we cutting Samus or sight seeing Mario? It's kind of 328 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:49.120 up to you. Oh no, oh no, Sophie's choice. Really, 329 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:57.240 in the same way that we cut Donkey Kong for 330 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.679 just being kind of a He's always been Donkey Kong 331 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:03.200 and always been really cool. Samus is incredibly cool in 332 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.440 Mentored Prime four. The motorcycle does. 333 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:11.240 Bring it up a little bit. But isn't Sicy Morrow 334 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.360 just like a uh like character character aesthetic? 335 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:16.200 How dare you? 336 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:17.840 I have yes, it is. 337 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:23.519 We can cut them. Sorry, they gave him sunglasses in 338 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:25.000 Hawaiian Jesus. 339 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:28.279 He had to fight so hard for this ship. 340 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:38.559 Mary, I. 341 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:43.799 Think you should say Mike and I for this Wow. 342 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:52.879 Know, you guys should all be added to Loserville. You 343 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:58.360 guys are all worthless. This is an obvious list that 344 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:00.399 we had to fight through a lot of crap for. 345 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.039 I had to argue multiple times for. 346 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:12.640 I don't know you lift, uh so, who's the who's 347 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:14.279 the coolest dude? Though? Oh? 348 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:18.559 I think is just sill left. But you guys seem 349 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:24.599 passionate about it. To me, it's over Samus. But actually 350 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:26.000 I've only played Ghostota here. 351 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:28.680 That's true. I I haven't played samos I haven't had 352 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:32.000 time to play Metroid Prime for but I have played 353 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.559 Ghost of You Taie. I do think Osu is such 354 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:38.119 a badass. It is because of the experiences I've had 355 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:39.960 with and not Go that I think that Silent Hill 356 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:43.559 have f takes the cake for me. This might have 357 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:46.359 to go to a judge because I think they're both incredible. 358 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.359 I can't you've played all three? Yeah, you you should 359 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:52.000 be the one to pick. 360 00:17:53.960 --> 00:18:06.279 Oh shit, he's really so bongo wow. 361 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.960 Okay, I had faith. 362 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:15.680 I had faith in this. I didn't have to jerry 363 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:17.319 mander anything. It's just natural. 364 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:19.480 Can I. 365 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:22.960 Quick? Is the right time? 366 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:25.319 Now what we read through? 367 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:28.880 Or I'll do nominees and then I'll okay, so cool. 368 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:32.240 Due to the year, runner ups are Samus and oughts to, 369 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:35.400 but the coolest dude of the year is Hinoko from 370 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:36.160 Simon hill F. 371 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.799 It's true. I also think this is a good time 372 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:41.759 Dan to just re up what we're doing here. 373 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.880 Yes, everyone, if you're just joining us, I am Dan Reicher, 374 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:47.400 This is Mary Kish, this is Mike Maharty, and this 375 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:51.400 is cool. Judge Jake Decker. We are fire Escape Cast. 376 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:53.240 If you have never heard us, check us out on 377 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:56.960 your podcast platform of choice. And uh, we are a 378 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.160 video game podcast. We've known each other for a long time. 379 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.319 We were together kind of like I guess game spots 380 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:03.039 weirdly though, like. 381 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:07.519 Games media for a decade. And now we talk about 382 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.759 games in our off hours and we are discussing Game 383 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:15.920 of the Year deliberations, including very specific categories for games 384 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:19.079 that we just think deserve mentions. We have nominees, we 385 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.119 have honorable mentions, and we have awards, and we are 386 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:22.799 in the thick of it. 387 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:26.880 Yes, we are probably at least maybe over halfway through now. 388 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:28.720 Hopefully we are. 389 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:30.880 I think we still have some more. 390 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.599 Hours here to go, but yes, we are working through 391 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:38.759 our categories right now. And our next category is dumb 392 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.359 Thing of the Year parentheses good here. 393 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.599 Nominees are the couch Gag from Simpson's Fortnite, Leapers and 394 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:47.000 Arc Raiders. 395 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:52.000 Monaco's foot Fetish in Expedition thirty three, Smoking in RV, 396 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:56.000 Thereat Canon and Peak Lollipop in Peak the. 397 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.000 Gummy Room from Kirby Air Riders. I'm sure do you 398 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:01.200 want to take the next one too, Hygante from Kirby 399 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:04.519 Air Riders, the Zebra Song and DK Bonanza. I think 400 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:09.720 Dan should just do this splash of death straining. These 401 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.039 are yours, all right, the coffin board and destranding too, 402 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:14.000 the die Hard Man Dance and death randing too, the 403 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:16.160 pizza Chef fight and death randing to cut that nobody 404 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.640 likes pizza chef here, guitar battle and desth Randing two. 405 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:22.160 All right, so this is a good dumb thing, all right. 406 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:23.920 Let me let's just get the desk randing stuff out 407 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:25.519 of the way here. Can we have the banana dudes 408 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:29.240 or no, that's oh they're they're under I thought we're 409 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:30.960 they're out of the cool dudes. No, they were under 410 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:31.279 something else. 411 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:31.480 They were. 412 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:36.720 Yeah. So I'm gonna say these three death randing two 413 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:39.359 things and I will just let you. I will graciously 414 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:42.839 allow you to just have one of them. Say, okay, 415 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:46.480 the coffin board. There are coffins and dest ranting two. 416 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:49.200 They're like cool future coffins. They're like, you know, sleek 417 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:52.680 and cool and you know, uh, and you can surf 418 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:54.880 on them. You can basically tie them to you and 419 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:57.279 like surf down mountains and kind of like snowboard through 420 00:20:57.319 --> 00:20:59.799 areas and stuff. You can also like shove bodies in 421 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:01.240 it and bury and stuff like that. But I just 422 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:04.960 liked surfing around on like snow covered mountains on a coffin. 423 00:21:05.079 --> 00:21:09.880 I thought was very cool. The die Hardman dance God, how. 424 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:10.960 Do I die Hardman? 425 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.839 Is the he became the president. He had the mask 426 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:17.519 in the first game. He became the president, then he died, 427 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:19.960 and then he came back as a mannequin Torso and 428 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:23.519 Destranding two, and then there's a point where you and 429 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.599 the current US president are on the beach, which is 430 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:28.400 a bit of a purgatory between the living world and 431 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.039 the dead world, and you're kind of just talking about 432 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:33.279 the nature of the universe, and then the fucking mannequin 433 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:36.240 pops up and does a fucking like he's doing like 434 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:39.160 James Brown call out like good God, like dancing around 435 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:42.400 this mannequin, and then like it's just die hard Man, 436 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:44.839 and he comes back and he's just it's this whole 437 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:48.079 crazy song and dance number thing that is just during 438 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:50.400 a very serious moment, and it tickled me quite a bit. 439 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:51.680 This is dumb thing of the year good. 440 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:54.799 I don't think how part of the game is that 441 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:56.720 it's sixty hours. 442 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:58.200 Okay, that's why I didn't see it, because I I 443 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.559 played like thirty yes, and then even beyond that, it's 444 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:05.319 you and Higgs Troy Baker's character of the villain. The 445 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:07.920 final battle is like, you know, Kajima always ends these things. 446 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.240 It's like it's a couple, you know, your shirt lists 447 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:12.240 on top of a middle gear fighting in the flames 448 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:15.680 and stuff like that. This one, it's it's this climactic battle, 449 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.880 but you've got guitars. I don't remember why Sam has 450 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:21.400 a guitar, but Higgs has a guitar from the trailers 451 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:23.519 and all that stuff, and you are just like guitar 452 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:25.720 battling back and forth like a fucking guitar room man 453 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:28.400 sequence and hitting each other with guitars and stuff, and 454 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:30.240 a fucking giant baby comes out of the sky and 455 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:32.319 all this stuff, and it is just like the most 456 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:36.000 unrestrained death Stranding has ever been one or two. And 457 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:39.079 I just had to smile because it's like, Okay, we 458 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:43.119 just don't care at all about any sense of keeping 459 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:46.680 things restrained. It is like full unchained Kajima in a 460 00:22:46.759 --> 00:22:48.920 way that like I like a lot a lot of 461 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:51.759 people don't like so those those are the three things 462 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.359 I liked the most, like dumb, deast ranting two things. 463 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:56.680 So you select one to say for now, it doesn't 464 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.559 have to say forever. I think Coffin is not a 465 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.119 dumb thing. I think it's just cool. Yeah, I think 466 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:05.920 it's just rat like. I love using that thing. 467 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:09.319 You know, it doubles as a like an underground incinerator 468 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:12.240 in tar pits as well. Yeah, because which I would 469 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:14.240 argue that's not good for the game design, but it's still. 470 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:17.240 Cool because yeah, body will create a mechanics. 471 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:17.559 Yeah. 472 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:21.079 I think his repentance for Dan making us listen to 473 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:23.319 four things that he knew couldn't get through so he 474 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:25.279 could get one through, we should cut all of them. 475 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:28.160 That's exactly what he was doing. 476 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.559 This is your strategy. You're doing it again, and I 477 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:35.079 would like you to be punished for it. You get none. 478 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:36.079 Thank you, good day. 479 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:39.680 I love how I don't even know what my strategy 480 00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:43.640 is and you do. You're giving me too much credit 481 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:47.880 for my thought process. I would say, I, for my 482 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.079 own sake, let's keep Coffin board for now. But Guitar 483 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:56.000 Battle and die hard Man sounds stupid. That sounds like 484 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:57.480 that sounds like I don't know what to do with 485 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.680 this game. They need to fight each other with guitar now. 486 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.400 They said it loud. That sounds cool, But like I 487 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:05.839 I within the game's context, I don't. I think I 488 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.680 just love it when there are creators that clearly no 489 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:09.599 one's telling them no. 490 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:10.960 I just like that a lot. 491 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:14.559 You know, whether it's James Cameron Orde or Evan Geli 492 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:18.640 and Joseph. Only when it's ones. 493 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:24.680 I like ye or your box. You love that? 494 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:27.519 Is that your favorite thing? 495 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:27.880 Yeah? 496 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:32.119 Yeah, it's not for everyone. I mean it'd be cool 497 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:34.279 if we keep coughin board for a little bit. Okay, 498 00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:37.680 My argument was coffin board is just cool. 499 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:38.359 It's not dumb. 500 00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:43.359 Why it should not coffin pretty dumb? 501 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:45.039 Like you say it out. 502 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:47.480 Loud though, and it sounds like the coolest fucking thing ever. 503 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:53.599 Imagine fucking or like snowboarding down of fucking your great grandn. 504 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:57.359 That's her, that's her dying wish. I want to Darby Ellen, 505 00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:58.319 once you go down. 506 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:02.680 A black diamond with me and inside the comin strapped 507 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:08.599 your grandma's casket, you just smashed into a tree. I 508 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:12.599 gotta get down. It's what you wanted some good. You know, 509 00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:14.119 I'm torn. 510 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:15.960 Let's just get it from now. You can cut the 511 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:21.640 other ones because I'm generous, very thoughtful, Dave, what is this? 512 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.400 I don't know? Tables the table, the table seems to 513 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.640 be squeaking. I've noticed it too, bathroom. 514 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:34.920 I'm good, all right. Do you guys know the Zebra 515 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:35.839 song Bonanza? 516 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:36.319 I do. 517 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.680 It's fantastic, Like I love all the bespoke songs. When 518 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:42.759 you do a bonanza, bullshit, that's the best one by far. 519 00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:43.799 I like that. 520 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:49.559 Good dumb. Tell me about Gigante and Caurber writers. 521 00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:51.319 Who is it? 522 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:58.359 Kante? Mike's nodding, And you guys haven't played a lot 523 00:25:58.359 --> 00:25:58.839 of caremeerers. 524 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:00.440 I know you have. I've played a d an amount 525 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.440 and I'm the stone. Right. They're all just little things, right, 526 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:07.599 the machines, the machines, Yeah, these little things that they 527 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:07.920 stand on. 528 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:09.000 They're very cute. Yeah. 529 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.839 Uh. There's legendary ones too, right, And these legendary ones 530 00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:16.839 are a little bigger. Giante takes up the entire. 531 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:19.960 Stage on City Trial, and it just is it a 532 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.960 thing that you can just pick from the like the machines, 533 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.279 So you have to unlock it and you have to 534 00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:26.920 collect all the parts, and if you do, it just 535 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:28.880 levels all the buildings in City Trial. 536 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:31.720 It's broken. It doesn't make sense, it shouldn't be there, 537 00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:34.359 but it is a to your point, like it seems 538 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.160 like like zac Rab was like, I just want to 539 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:38.680 put this in the game because I think it's kind 540 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:43.000 of cool. It's unbalanced, it's it's ridiculous, but it just 541 00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.160 takes up the entire stage. Whenever you do a spin, 542 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:47.440 it's incredibly slow, but you can see all the people 543 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:50.160 you knock out, and then if you get it, the 544 00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:55.200 default city trial ending is everyone against you who's got it. 545 00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.319 It's pretty cool. And this is the thing that you 546 00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.200 earn in why city Trial. So it's not a thing. 547 00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:03.000 It's not like a vehicle. You unlock and you can 548 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:03.559 pick it whenever. 549 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:06.799 Right, you do have to unlock it in a different mode, 550 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:09.880 but once you've unlocked it, then it'll appear in City Trial. 551 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.400 But you can't pick it as your man. Okay, So 552 00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.759 it is it is very random based doesn't happen every run. Honestly, 553 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.079 that's like I like broken things like that. It's so stupid, 554 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.640 that sounds the scale of it is ridiculous. I'm on board. 555 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:24.920 With that, that's like we have the gummy Room. I 556 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:25.400 loved it. 557 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:26.599 That was when I kind of. 558 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:28.599 Realized what Kirby aer Writers was because like I never 559 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.319 played the game game really man, was what the fuck 560 00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:33.200 is this? And it just seems like chaos. And then 561 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.319 when I like went into the Gummy Room, I just 562 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:37.279 realized as just like, oh, no, one's telling them, no, 563 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:39.599 just just I don't know. It's a roomflow you look 564 00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:41.440 at fucking gummies and you can zoom in on them 565 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:44.759 and you have a sword and a magnet or whatever. Yeah, 566 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.599 I would I would say if we're picking a Kirby 567 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:50.720 aer Writers thing, that Gigante things sounds more substantial. But 568 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:54.039 but I do think the gummy room is what made 569 00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:55.480 me respect Kirber Writers. 570 00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:57.839 I think if we want Kirby a writers thing, I 571 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.880 would fight for over down the room. 572 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:05.880 Okay yeah, uh okay, Mary, we're all killing our babies here. 573 00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.279 We did some curve, we added some destinanding, which peak thing. 574 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.960 I mean, I think they're both good in different ways. 575 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:19.799 They're both absurdly stupid. That cannon and peak is meant 576 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.400 to help you launch each other to an area that 577 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.480 you would not have been able to climb to. But 578 00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.119 you can't really tell where your destination is going to 579 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:29.640 be until you put someone in it and send them 580 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:33.480 pack in very funny to launch someone into a mountain 581 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.160 and hope that they get to the area they're meant 582 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:37.400 to get to without dying. 583 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:39.960 Is there like a dotted line or a radical or something, 584 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:41.599 or do you just kind of like point and shoot. 585 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.079 It's a point and shoot situation, and so you're kind 586 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.160 of like it just like reminds me. This thing reminds 587 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:50.359 me of like a real cannon where you're like, someone's 588 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:52.640 got to get in there, and one of your friends 589 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:54.480 has to be like, it'll be me, And you get 590 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.160 in this cannon and just hope that you fucking make 591 00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.839 your destination. If they don't, we all laugh. If you do, 592 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:05.759 we all cheer. It results in these epic cheers or 593 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.240 laughter of whatever ends up happening. So I think it's 594 00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:14.559 a very funny addition to this game. And it didn't. 595 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.119 It didn't start and Peak it was added later on, 596 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:20.519 and when canon was added, collectively all players were like, 597 00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:24.960 what an absurdly funny, ridiculously stupid thing to add to 598 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.160 this game. We needed more ropes, we needed ladders, we 599 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.200 needed practical things in this game. Was like, you get 600 00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:34.240 a canon that you can't control the book, and I 601 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.559 think that's funny, and I think it's dumb, and it's good. 602 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:42.200 The lollipop was this is a funny it's cannon in 603 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:43.759 the sense that it was originally in the game and 604 00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.599 it was always in the game. The lollipop is a 605 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:51.960 an enhancer for your stamina. So you eat a lollipop immediately, 606 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.920 you get unlimited stamina for like ten seconds. So let's 607 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.480 say you cannot climb this thing it's too tall and 608 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:00.359 there's only one of you. 609 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:01.559 This is the perfect. 610 00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.440 Opportunity to take a lollipop, a gurree up and climb 611 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.240 that way. You can maybe put a rope down for 612 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:09.079 everybody else. But the second you're ten seconds is up, 613 00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:11.680 you go into a sugar crash and you pass out. 614 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.880 And so it's very funny because you'll you might actually 615 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.359 succeed and get to the part that you're trying to 616 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:19.640 get to. When you pass out, you can roll off 617 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:24.160 the edge. It's just very funny, like lick a lollipop 618 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:26.519 and then be like, I'm I can do it, and 619 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:28.119 you get to the top and then you fall off. 620 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.640 I think it's I think it's very funny. They're they're 621 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:35.680 both brilliant, but I think the cannon has resulted in 622 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.599 some of the funniest It is chaos. It is chaotic 623 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.599 that the developers thought of this as a traversal mechanic, 624 00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:46.599 and I applaud them for coming up with something so stupid. 625 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.400 It so it sounds like a three suit, like a 626 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:50.240 Laurel and Hardy bit or something of just like the 627 00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:52.240 physical comedy, Just like I'm gonna put someone in a 628 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.359 cannon and see what the fuck happens. It's almost certainly 629 00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.599 gonna be stupid. Like I think that sounds incredible. Lollipop 630 00:30:57.640 --> 00:30:59.200 sounds great too, but cannon sounds better. 631 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:01.519 They're both so so stupid and so funny. But yeah, 632 00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:05.680 I would have to go with the canon. Smoking an 633 00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:09.079 RV there yet is so stupid, but it does actually 634 00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:11.720 give you a It gives you like a boost of 635 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.480 stamina as well. I think ultimately what it is is 636 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:17.319 it's aesthetic. It's very funny to be in an RV 637 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:20.480 with your peers. You're looking around and one person's driving, 638 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:25.000 maybe someone's flipping burgers, and somebody's doing nothing, but everybody's 639 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:26.279 smoking a fucking. 640 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.559 Sick and it's just really chugging some lung beers. 641 00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.720 And there's beers. It's it's unnecessary. I don't know what 642 00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.319 the developers were thinking, because you could tell they had 643 00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:39.200 to make very stern decisions of what they had time 644 00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.799 and energy to code into this game. There's moose in 645 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:46.960 this game that don't walk. They're just ping images, like 646 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.960 like you can tell when they ran out of budget 647 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.119 and we're like, we're out of time. But they put 648 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:54.599 a lot of energy into these six They put a 649 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:55.640 lot of energy. 650 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:55.920 Into you beer. 651 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.359 It's just you're just these like pudgy dudes an RV 652 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.200 and like that does seem like such a natural, like yeah, 653 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:03.519 that fits here, This is great. 654 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:07.440 They're so silly and unnecessary, and I think it's I 655 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:09.440 think it's exemplary of this category. 656 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:09.839 It is so. 657 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.400 Stupid and it is. It is a funny thing, and 658 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.119 they added a mechanic to it so it actually has 659 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:15.759 a value. When you smoke the cigarette, you get like 660 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:17.960 a boost of energy and you can do something if 661 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.839 you need to. But ultimately it's. 662 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:23.119 For cool factor. I got something that I'll mention, but 663 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.000 I will also cut right afterwards. But like Simpsons, Fortnite 664 00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:27.880 I loved so much. But like, as far as the 665 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:29.640 gags and stuff like that, I was trying to think of, 666 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:31.759 Like there's a million little ones and references where it's like, 667 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:33.319 oh you see the rake on the ground, I know 668 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:35.759 what we're gonna do there. Oh you see the phone 669 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.799 at mose Bar Okay, I see. It's like and there's 670 00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:41.279 so much people like us that just love Simpsons and stuff. 671 00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.839 It's like it delivers all that cool to my being. 672 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.960 I'm glad that they were able to capitalize on. 673 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.720 It so well. Yeah, And I think the reason the 674 00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.039 couch gag was maybe the best version of it with 675 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.559 Fortnite is because like Fortnite is already this insane thing 676 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.599 where it's like every ip that's ever existed is in there, 677 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.200 and then you put the super iconic thing like if 678 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.839 you go in the Evergreen Terrace portion of the map, 679 00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:04.759 you go down there, you can go into the Simpsons house, 680 00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:06.480 you can take a mission from Marge or whatever. But 681 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:08.480 also you go to the couch and you can hit 682 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:10.839 X to sit, and it's just like I was playing 683 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.240 a Solid Snake and my sister is playing is Vegeta 684 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.440 and we hit X to sit and now just Homer's 685 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:19.000 or a snake as they're holding basically a duff they 686 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.119 rebranded slurp. It's just like solid snake and vegeta on 687 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.319 the Simpson's couch, and it's like, that's so stupid and funny. 688 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:26.440 And then when you think about it, just like, oh, 689 00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:28.880 it could be a Zeno morph, it could be Ariana Grande, 690 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.960 it could be like, man, what a what an exemplary? 691 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:34.440 You know, It's like this is what Fortnite is just 692 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.480 everything ever and it's just kind of wild to see 693 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.480 it all together in a way that I think could 694 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.799 feel a lot shittier, but Fortnite I kind of love 695 00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:43.960 how they do it. So it was I wanted to 696 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:46.039 pick something from Simpsons Fortnite just because there's a lot 697 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:48.359 of good, dumb things in there. I think we cut it. 698 00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:50.559 I think there's some stronger ones here, but like again, 699 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:55.880 Simpsons Fortnite was fantastic. How about Monoco's foot fetish? 700 00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:57.480 This is like kind of money. 701 00:33:59.119 --> 00:33:59.279 Is it? 702 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.119 Does it hang with the others? You're the fun guy, 703 00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:10.960 right what? No, don't show me your feet, Mike. 704 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:14.639 Don't you want to represent this one because you are 705 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:16.039 are a little freak boy. 706 00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:18.159 I'm a freak boy, but that with feet. 707 00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:19.519 Didn't you add this one? 708 00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:26.159 No, Jake, did I think, look at us who looks 709 00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:27.000 like a foot freak? 710 00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:39.440 Then judge dot com order, Okay, so we're cutting that. 711 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.280 I didn't add it. Hm. 712 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.440 I like they really are the hottest appendage. They look 713 00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.400 every foot looks exact same. That's not people love it. No, 714 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:54.639 they don't look the same. I mean human does the 715 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.639 ones Some are like probably missing toes or have like 716 00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:02.960 dirty anyway. I I love the zebra song. I don't know. 717 00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.039 I think they're stronger examples of good dumb things this year. 718 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.920 Yep, Okay, I think we have to make an argument 719 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:13.599 for leapers. I haven't heard it again, Yes, yes, I 720 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:14.639 can do this. 721 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:16.719 Have you seen those things jump? 722 00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:18.960 Yes? 723 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.079 And it's not just that they jumped, It is that 724 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.719 you try to kill them and then everything else starts 725 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:25.400 jumping when you like the amount of times that you 726 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:27.519 go to kill them and it's like, oh, they're still going. 727 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.559 They just they just throw all their weight at something 728 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.360 and if it's a wall, they'll hit the wall. 729 00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:37.000 The the the animations are like very good and they 730 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.960 just kind of tumble and fall and they look so 731 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.800 stupid when they do this, there's just limbs flying everywhere, 732 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:46.199 but they're also like scary as hell. Yeah, I think 733 00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:51.360 they're real dumb just because of how their limbs are 734 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:56.480 flying everywhere, they're bashing against things. I think it should 735 00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:00.400 be here, but there's some stiff competition. This is a 736 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.960 strong five here. Ooh boy. 737 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:08.719 I think I think this category should be like the 738 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.320 thing that is dumb and funny but also like has 739 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.840 like it's actually like it's not just a gag. It 740 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:17.800 is a thing that actually kind of plays into the game. 741 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:21.960 And I think most of these, like definitely the cannon jigonte, 742 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:23.800 I mean the coffin board, it's actually a really good 743 00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:28.079 way getting around the leapers are they're actually really good 744 00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.000 enemies to cut. I think there's an argument maybe the 745 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:32.840 smoking is the least actually like that seems like the 746 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:34.719 most esthetic kind of vibes thing. 747 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:38.960 Like then it's not essential or necessary. It is very 748 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.239 dumb and it is good, but I don't think it's 749 00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.280 as good as these others, so I'm willing to cut it. 750 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.679 I will say right now, I have said this before, 751 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:49.800 but I think it is the noble and honorable thing 752 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.480 to do to also cut death stranding to stop you 753 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:54.639 from doing the thing that you always do. What's that 754 00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:57.599 You just shove a bunch of shit down our throats 755 00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:58.840 and hope that one gets through. 756 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.320 I think the coffin board is cool though, it's really cool. 757 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:03.880 I guess that was the strategy. It worked because I 758 00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:05.119 love the coffin board. 759 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:06.760 Yeah, he got you. 760 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:11.840 It wasn't like considered. That's one of the things I 761 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:13.840 love that. No, it's not. I'd like a lot in 762 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:19.000 that game. But I want to cut smoking. 763 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:20.519 It maybe cut leapers. 764 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.519 I think, I think leapers. I think it's I think 765 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.760 it's cool to be anti tobacco. That's a good point, 766 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:29.440 which one is saving lives. 767 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.800 You're literally surfing around on an already dead body, where 768 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.519 smoking is creating more of them that could trigger a 769 00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:40.800 foid out. Yeah, but it's not cool year, it's dumb 770 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.079 thing of the year. You're right, it's dumb good, all right, 771 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.920 and we're taking smoking out. We can take smoking, okay, 772 00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:49.519 So then what is. 773 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:55.159 The dumbest thing of the year? Good, dumb good. Honestly, 774 00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.280 Mary makes a good point for Cannon. It sounds like me. 775 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:02.920 It does sound like it actually seems like a thing 776 00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:05.639 where if it goes well, it could be a game changer, 777 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:10.000 right for that run. Well, the death that sounds amazing. 778 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.679 All of these are like Giganta sounds incredible to but 779 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.480 that canon that seems like what this category is? 780 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:17.960 I just al't want to say, like when you have 781 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.320 like four people and somebody because these are you know, 782 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.199 prop gen of what item you get. When someone's like 783 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.360 there's a canon, everyone goes oh because you don't know 784 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:29.800 if it's good or bad yet, Like you know it's sick, 785 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.800 but like it could be the death of the entire run. 786 00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:35.760 That's how risky it is. It's so funny. 787 00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:37.760 I like you're just like the idea of launching someone 788 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:44.400 up and they're like, oh, yeah they died. Yeah, yeah, 789 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:49.760 I would vote for Cannon. Okay, are we agreed? 790 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:50.119 Yeah? 791 00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.679 I think so? All right, dumb thing of the year. Good. 792 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:56.119 The runner ups are coffin Board Death Stating two, Gagonte 793 00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:58.719 Kirby aer Ride, and Cannon. 794 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:02.760 In Peak is the winner. That's a good category. 795 00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:06.960 That was good. So I believe we are No, we're not. 796 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:08.960 We're in our last category No. 797 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:14.920 Two, three, four, five, six, seven. We got eight more. 798 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.719 I think we need to start burning through some of these. 799 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.480 We'll see some of them be longer than others. Definitely, 800 00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:27.960 Oh my god. Yeah, well okay, well, next one is 801 00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:29.719 Dumb Thing of the Year Bad. 802 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.559 So this is a thing that is stupid, just like 803 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:34.159 the last category and bad. 804 00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.519 But we don't like it, right, Yeah, we like the 805 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:38.360 other dumb things. We don't like these dumb things. 806 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:43.079 The nominees are meanbout sound effects and metroid weird campaign 807 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:44.480 choices in Black Ops. 808 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:46.320 Seven, Everything About Mine's I. 809 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:52.199 Diehard Man Dance, The Xbox Rock Ally Lost Soul Aside 810 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:54.360 Tower Dominion's aesthetic. 811 00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:57.280 Online lobbies in the Wheelchair Basketball. 812 00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:59.880 Game, Everything Mario Party Jam. 813 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:03.360 I'm sorry weird, and I think it's mine, that says 814 00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:16.159 Randy Pitchford. I want to say to cut the Xbox Rock. 815 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:19.000 Xbox Rock ally has major problems. 816 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:20.000 Uh we. 817 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:24.599 Mostly tied to windows and everything. I will say, despite 818 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:27.599 its problems and its frustrations, it is like the one 819 00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:29.719 I travel with. Like I am traveling with it, Like 820 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.280 like it runs things very well now that I've got, 821 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.000 like the full screen experience and all that. Like it's 822 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:38.639 a powerful handheld. I like the the ergonomics of it 823 00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:41.760 and everything. It's the windows stuff sucks. I hate that 824 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:43.760 she locked in a loop of not being able to 825 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:44.039 log in. 826 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.119 Yeah. Oh, I've had so many different problems with it. 827 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:48.199 But like the fact that I am still like putting 828 00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:49.760 it in my bag when I travel and stuff, and like, 829 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.880 I fucking love my Steam Deck, but there are certain 830 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.519 games and stuff that like will run better on the 831 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:56.760 Xbox Rock ally, and like I'm not even using the 832 00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:58.960 Xbox parts of it. I'm like loading up Steam. I 833 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.400 love steaming, you know. I'm it's basically a little more 834 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.719 powerful Steam Deck to me. But if I want to 835 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:06.199 play Fortnite on it, if I went, like when I 836 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.000 was homework thanks skimming playing all that with my sister, 837 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:09.559 I was playing on the Rock ally, you know, you 838 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.159 can't easily load up the epic games to wear on 839 00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:12.800 a Steam deck, So I want to take that off. 840 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.360 It's got fucking problems for sure, but I don't think 841 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:17.519 it's beyond saving. 842 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.119 I would say we can cut Towered tom Innion sesthetic. 843 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.639 I think it is bad. It's really dumb. I'd love 844 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.519 that game. I don't think it's dumping. I don't think 845 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:27.320 it contends with a lot of the stuff here. That 846 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:28.760 was just the one I added because that is the 847 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:29.360 biggest knock. 848 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:29.800 I have a guess. 849 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:31.639 I guess to add to that, then, I would say 850 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.280 weird campaign choices in Black Ops seven because I actually played, 851 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:35.840 I just saw videos of it and I was like 852 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.039 that looks dumb, and then just moved on with it. 853 00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.159 It doesn't seem like a great campaign anyway. But also 854 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:42.039 the fact that yeah, me and Kayla like loaded up 855 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:43.280 and we're like, let's check it out, and its like 856 00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.239 we both right away. We're like, there's just a million 857 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.119 little things from like all these characters have health bars 858 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:49.159 and sell built for like multiplayer and eight days. It's 859 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:51.079 got like a loot system. It just doesn't feel like, 860 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:53.679 like I like the traditional Call of Duty campaigns. This 861 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.840 felt like just a weird hodgepodge DLC mode that like 862 00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:57.480 just did not. 863 00:41:58.320 --> 00:41:59.679 It did not feel good at it dumb. 864 00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:00.440 It's just kind of bad. 865 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:01.119 It just sucks. 866 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.760 Yeah, like everything about Black AP seven just seemed like 867 00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:07.920 a total misstep. I'll just say the Mario Party Jamboree 868 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:09.639 thing is insane. It's like one of those things it's 869 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.079 like way too expensive. It's like an add on version 870 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.119 or switch to edition upgrade of Mario Party Jambrie, which 871 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:18.000 is not a great Mario Party game anyway. Uh, and 872 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.360 it's just like separated into like, oh, you can play 873 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.559 like the old Mario Party Jamboree, but it doesn't have 874 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:25.519 a resolution boost. But you can play the new Switch 875 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.079 two edition stuff here, but then you're on locks there. 876 00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:31.119 Don't go to it. It's just a very weird Nintendo 877 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:34.079 thing of like this package doesn't make any fucking sense. 878 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:34.760 Uh. 879 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.519 It's it's it's almost hard to describe how confusing is. 880 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:39.000 We tried to stream it a couple of times, and like, 881 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:40.559 none of the new stuff they add of it is 882 00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:43.360 like super substantial or good or anything. And it's just 883 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.480 it's so confusing that like I don't even think it's 884 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:49.400 worth talking about. I just think it sucks. Like again, 885 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:51.840 Lego Party, That's that's what I go to right now. 886 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.800 Mario Party jambri and Switch to is bad. Uh. 887 00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.159 I like throughout Lost Soulicide because I was like, that 888 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:00.599 was a really dumb game. I don't know if you 889 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.519 saw much of this game, but it was absolutely like 890 00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:05.480 I think it was a Sony published game as well. 891 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:07.920 That was just kind of like what what or so 892 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:08.679 Sony help fund? 893 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:09.039 I don't know. 894 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.519 It's a very strange game, but I didn't. 895 00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:13.159 Really play it. I just watched footage of it and 896 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:14.400 I was like, yeah, that looks bad. 897 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:15.360 What's bad? 898 00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:24.679 Mine's hot? What's going on there? I mean, is that 899 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:27.519 even like dumb? Or is that just like a catastrophic failure? 900 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:27.880 Yeah? 901 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.079 I think it's it's like a dumb is Like I 902 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:31.880 think a dumb is like, oh what a dumb thing 903 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.320 like Mine's Eye was a massive waste of time and 904 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.960 resources and and I'm sure talent that worked at the studio, 905 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:43.880 which is bad leadership. Just the final game seemed soulless 906 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.079 and terrible, and then what there was like recent stuff 907 00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:50.079 to where I think this goes into like larger like 908 00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.599 labor and layoff stuff, which isn't really what this category 909 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.159 is about. So I don't even know. Maybe it's just 910 00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:57.519 that game fucking sucks, and everything surrounding it seems like 911 00:43:57.559 --> 00:43:59.639 it stinks. But I don't know if it's necessarily like 912 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:02.960 no dumb thing, you know. Yeah, Oh, let me just 913 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.480 talk about the ambo sand efects of Metroid. So I 914 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.239 have a bunch of Mibo for some fucking reason, and 915 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:10.519 usually when I get a new intenda first party game, 916 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.480 it's like, Okay, what's the Mibo support And I didn't 917 00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.000 want to buy the fifty dollars fucking Samus bike ones 918 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:16.800 or anything like that, but oh I got these old 919 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:18.800 Metroid ones. They usually like if it's the same series, 920 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:21.280 it usually does something. You go into the Ambo scan 921 00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.119 thing and you scan the old ones, and you have 922 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:25.199 to go into a menu, go into the ambo thing, 923 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:28.280 scan the Metroid ambo and it will just play a 924 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:29.880 sound effect from Metroid. 925 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:30.519 Well. 926 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.920 Also on the viola right, you can listen to a 927 00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:35.119 song or it's like some music. I don't think I 928 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:38.159 got that. I just literally would like scan specific amibos, 929 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.159 but that's what I heard. Maybe that's the bike one 930 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.440 or something. But like the old ones are just like, oh, 931 00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.880 it's the like you got an item sound that you 932 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:47.199 could hear in a menu, or you can just play 933 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.039 the Metroid game and hear the Metroid sound. 934 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:49.320 Dumb. 935 00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:53.960 It's insane. It's just so stupid. But yeah, uh, die 936 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:55.679 Hard van Dance, you saw that and did not like. 937 00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.199 It, right, I thought it was really dumb. Yeah. 938 00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:00.440 I described it to Ben Hanson and it was like, oh, 939 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:03.440 this seems like the bad kaJama. So maybe it's just 940 00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.280 me that likes it. So keep it on here. Then 941 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.400 I looked at Jake for that because he didn't like it. 942 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:11.639 This is dumb thing that they're bad. Yeah, dumb Kajima, 943 00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:12.519 bad Kajamia. 944 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:14.039 Yeah, but I'm saying I think he thinks it's bad. 945 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.079 He did not like the Yeah, do you think it 946 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:18.280 hangs on this category? Uh? 947 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.599 I mean, what's the deal with online lobs? Oh god? 948 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.920 We tried to fucking play this game on Giant Bomb 949 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:25.639 and it was like, okay, I think it was me 950 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.039 grab Manati. It's a three on three wheelchair basketball game. 951 00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.280 It's like, all right, we'll go on, We'll Dragon Drag, Extrive, 952 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:36.400 Drag Extra Yeah. Yeah uh. And you get thrown into 953 00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.320 a lobby with it's like twelve people or something, and 954 00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:41.039 I think they're trying to do like a pickup game 955 00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:43.599 type thing for like the online lobbies, but like, we 956 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.920 could not team up with each other. We were like 957 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.679 in a lobby of twelve and it just randomly put 958 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:50.559 like six of us together and jumbled us up. So 959 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:54.079 it's like, oh, me and Grub and Rando against Manati 960 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:56.199 and two others. It's like, wait, we're three, We're in 961 00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:58.440 the same Why are we not? We can't play on 962 00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.159 a team, like it's an online sports game and we 963 00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:04.639 couldn't even like party up. It just seems like there's 964 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.159 so many baffling decisions that went into this, but key 965 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.840 among it is like, even if the game was bad, 966 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:11.440 you would think you'd be able to like play with 967 00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:13.440 two friends against three people. It doesn't even let you 968 00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:13.599 do that. 969 00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:16.159 I don't even think you need to say Drag X drive. 970 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.920 Nintendo Multiplayer is like always notoriously so fucking ass. 971 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:25.039 And Internet Yeah, yes, but Kirby Air Riders had the 972 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.679 best implementation of Nintendo Online Multiplayer genuinely mind blowing really, 973 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:33.800 which doesn't say a lot considering, yes, how bad they 974 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:38.039 are normally, but kind of a tangent. But like, I 975 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:42.400 don't know if i'd just say Nintendo Online because that's 976 00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:43.000 a different thing. 977 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.800 Well, then they messed up here again, I agree, I 978 00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:49.320 would say that's worse than it sounds like you like 979 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.559 die hardman, so I would take that off if you 980 00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:51.960 like it. 981 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.320 I like it a lot, and it's not that. Yeah, 982 00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:56.239 I liked it a lot. Yeah, I mean yeah, I'm 983 00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:56.960 okay with these. 984 00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:58.519 All right, And then Randy Wentz done. 985 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:00.800 Yeah, Randy pit first again, it's done Bad Thing of 986 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.280 the Year. It's Randy Pitchford of Gearbox. Yeah, that guy 987 00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:09.679 just needs to stop doing everything he's doing. Stop talking. 988 00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:16.239 Next, the category is best Remake and Remaster. 989 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.760 All right. Nominees are Eller Scrolls for Oblivion Medal, Your 990 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:23.719 Sawid three, Delta, Sneak. 991 00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:26.400 Eater, Tony Hawk, pro Skater three and. 992 00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:30.039 Four, Charles in the Sky First Chapter, Final Fancy Tactics, 993 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:32.599 The Ivilis Chronicles, Zelda, Breath of. 994 00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.280 The Wild, and Tears of the Kingdom. 995 00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:39.920 Switch to first question. Anyone played Tactics, Yeah, okay, it's 996 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:41.960 on my list. I love Tactics. I just haven't played 997 00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:43.639 it yet want to make sure somebody has so. 998 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.280 I didn't plead the original, so it's hard for me 999 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:48.239 to like say, but it seems like people are pretty 1000 00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.119 happy with it. Yeah, by getting Yeah, I don't know 1001 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.199 that I would go back to the what do I 1002 00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.159 have it on? It was on PSP. I played the 1003 00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:59.519 game for the first time, a PSP classic or whatever 1004 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:00.280 you want to call it, and. 1005 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:01.920 Then I went to PS three for the War the 1006 00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:02.400 Lions one. 1007 00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:05.000 Yeah, I can't foresee going back to it in any 1008 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.119 other way now that I played this one. 1009 00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:12.320 Okay, these are all really good. Boy. I know the 1010 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:14.639 Tony Hawk four stuff bothered some people that were big 1011 00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.280 on the like more open original game. I don't know. 1012 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:19.039 I don't know where you guys are right with Like 1013 00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:19.760 Tony Hawk. 1014 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.119 I played a lot of three plus four. 1015 00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:25.480 It didn't bug me, but didn't bugged me either, you know, 1016 00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:27.400 and it felt incredible, Like the important part of those 1017 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:29.480 games is the feel of it. That's why Tony Hawk 1018 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.119 HDU sucked, But like this was killer. I loved it. 1019 00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.119 I love Delta Oblivion. Is anyone going to go to 1020 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:36.719 back for Oblivion if we're looking for seft to cut? 1021 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.400 So I played a lot of Oblivion remastered. 1022 00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:42.719 I think that's a weird one because I think there 1023 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.360 are very special things that they kept from the original 1024 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.039 that make the remaster feel just as weird and out 1025 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:51.400 of place and kind of awkward in. 1026 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:55.559 A way that I really appreciate. But I also, god, 1027 00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:56.000 I don't know. 1028 00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:58.159 I don't even know how to talk about that, to 1029 00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.280 be honest, Like I I I think it could probably 1030 00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.880 go out of how I feel because it is they 1031 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.719 like added sprint and like made the graphics better, but 1032 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:10.960 it is still the same Jankie game, which I love. 1033 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:14.639 But they're like weird things that I'm like, oh, you 1034 00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.039 could have done this too, and it would just been 1035 00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:19.039 a little smooth, a little more interesting, Like you could 1036 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:20.840 have just taken a tiny risk here. 1037 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.039 I think you can take out Zelda too. 1038 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:24.480 I was gonna say, I don't. 1039 00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:26.760 I mean, I just don't think it did anything that 1040 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:28.920 in fucking groundbreaking. 1041 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.400 The important thing with those is the performance, and it 1042 00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:34.559 is like I did play through, like I'm probably gonna 1043 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:36.159 finish it, but I finished three of the four shrines 1044 00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:37.880 and Breath the Wild again, and you know, it's my 1045 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.719 favorite game ever, and it just plays so much better. 1046 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:42.599 But as far as like adding things, I mean there 1047 00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:44.840 was like the fucking Zelda notes, bullshit app stuff or 1048 00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.679 whatever like that. Better things on this list, Yeah, totally. 1049 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.159 I am very glad that those remasters not even they're 1050 00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:53.440 just the switch to editions that just run better. I'm 1051 00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:55.840 so happy they exist. It is the way to play 1052 00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.400 those games now. But these other ones are more substantial. Definitely, Uh, 1053 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:05.079 Delta really fun. I'm very happy Delta exists. I mean, snaky, 1054 00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:06.280 it is one of the best games of all time. 1055 00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:08.280 I think it like got to the finals of our 1056 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:10.280 was it a Patreon thing, where did the one hundred 1057 00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:14.599 best games all time? Yeah, I mean Tony Hawk's great, 1058 00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:16.679 you know, Trelton Sky, I think you'd be the one 1059 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.320 to talk about that. So once again, I didn't play 1060 00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:21.679 the original. I played this one. 1061 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.800 But from what I understand and kind of like the 1062 00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:27.559 sentiment I've heard is that this is kind of how 1063 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:31.320 people wish they remade the Final Fantasy seven. Like it's 1064 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:33.559 very true to that original, but at the same time, 1065 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:37.920 they redid the entire art style, they redid the combat, 1066 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.519 they brought it up, they brought it up to like 1067 00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:42.920 sort of a modern audience, you know, in a way 1068 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:46.559 that I really appreciate. I've been really enjoying. But once again, 1069 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:50.280 like I didn't play the original, so like maybe it's 1070 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.719 not the best, but like it's same thing with Final 1071 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.800 Fantasy Tactics. For me, it's just like I didn't play 1072 00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:58.840 the original, but I like what I played of if 1073 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:00.440 a list chronicles and I want to play more. And 1074 00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:02.360 I didn't play the original Trails in the Sky, but 1075 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.880 it seems like a very substantial rework and remake of 1076 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:07.400 that game. 1077 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:12.000 Are we thinking that Metal Year and Tony Hawk are 1078 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:19.440 locks and we have to decide between Trails and Tactics. Yes, sure, yeah, 1079 00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:21.320 I guess I would look to Jake for that. Then, 1080 00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:24.519 oh God is ere in the same spot with both 1081 00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:24.960 those games. 1082 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:26.320 It seems your favorite child. 1083 00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:29.119 I feel like I didn't play enough of Tactics to 1084 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.039 do you feel pretty strongly about Tacticals. 1085 00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:37.119 Like Tactics, I think Tactics is very well received, But 1086 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:39.199 the most important opinion is this table. 1087 00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:40.920 Yeah, no, I mean I love. 1088 00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:43.239 Final Fantasy Tactics was one of my favorite games of 1089 00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.840 the few hours I played of Ivolis Chronicles. Again, it's 1090 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:48.559 just so much more convenient to play, and also I 1091 00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:50.480 think they it was a pretty faithful job they did. 1092 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:52.280 I didn't play Trials in the Sky though. 1093 00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:54.880 I will also say I think a great remake or 1094 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.000 remaster is like, you know, taking some of the biggest 1095 00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:59.000 and best games of all time and making them more 1096 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:01.880 accessible to modern audiences. And I think nobody's going to 1097 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.280 deny that medal year solid Tony Hawk, Final Fantasy Tactics. 1098 00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:08.480 These are like pillars. I'll be honest, I don't know 1099 00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:10.239 what the fuck Trails in the Sky is sure, so like, 1100 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.519 I don't know if that's as necessary you know, maybe 1101 00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:14.559 that's just me. I don't know what it is, but yeah, 1102 00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:20.559 I'm okay cutting that. Okay boy, I mean you know, 1103 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.639 I'm a Medal Year guy. I really like Delta. It 1104 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.159 is very very faithful, but the visuals are so upgraded, 1105 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:29.480 the quality of life stuff, being able to switch camo 1106 00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:33.639 on the fly with the dpad, it is. I'm very 1107 00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:35.960 particular about Meddle Year Solid, and I would be the 1108 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.360 first to be skeptical of a Metal Year project without 1109 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.599 Kajima involved. Yeah, it was clearly made with love and 1110 00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:43.639 reverence for the original, and I don't know how you 1111 00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:44.320 could have done it better. 1112 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:46.280 I have to give you credit for this as well. 1113 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.760 This is like your expertise, and I have seen the 1114 00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:55.199 before and afters. It looks really good. They did a 1115 00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.519 great job, so I wouldn't be mad if this one. 1116 00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:01.440 I think this is a totally fair argument, unless anyone 1117 00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:04.400 has like a strong argument for someone else. 1118 00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.320 I will say I started up Metal Gear Solid Delta 1119 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:10.079 and I was like, played this game before, not that 1120 00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:12.960 long ago, don't need to play this, and like all 1121 00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:14.840 deaf for it. I played five minutes and I was like, 1122 00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.599 I'm good, don't don't need to play it. I think 1123 00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:19.920 that's unfair. You know I probably should have played more 1124 00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.679 before I say more, but I do think like there 1125 00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:26.360 is an argument that this doesn't necessarily need kind of 1126 00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:28.440 like the same thing I was thinking with Oblivion, where 1127 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:29.679 it's like, does this really need it? 1128 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:31.599 I mean, you can say that about Tony Hawk too, Like, 1129 00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:34.760 you know, I played Tony Hawk First Skater three several 1130 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.719 times a year, like since it came out, even like recently, 1131 00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:40.599 and it didn't need it. But I like the fact 1132 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:43.840 that it is just available and looks better for modern audiences, 1133 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.679 easily playable and modern hardware and stuff like. I just 1134 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.280 think these are very important games to like be easily 1135 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:51.920 playable in twenty twenty five and beyond. 1136 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.159 I think it has to go to the judge. Oh shit, sorry, Bud, 1137 00:53:58.159 --> 00:53:59.559 give us that sweet, sweet beat. 1138 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:11.480 That'll give me time to think. Way for the bongos. Uh, 1139 00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:14.239 it's going to Final Fantasy Tactics. 1140 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:19.400 He's the judge. He's the judge. He gets to make 1141 00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:20.320 these calls. 1142 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:28.400 I I mean, but I also love Final Fantasy Tactics, 1143 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:29.239 So I'm not like mad. 1144 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:30.960 I'm just happy. 1145 00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:38.320 I'm like mantle gear a Tony Hawk tough ship. Next category, 1146 00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:42.199 it's not poop a k A most okay. Game of 1147 00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:46.519 the Year nominees are Assassin's Creed Shadows, Mafia the Old. 1148 00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:49.119 Country, Nintendo Switch to Welcome. 1149 00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:53.320 Tour, Mario Kart World, and Borderlands. For I want to 1150 00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.239 say one thing. I don't think any of us played 1151 00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:56.880 Mafia the Old Country, so I don't know that it's 1152 00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:57.800 fair that it's even here. 1153 00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.880 I did, Oh you did, that's why finished? 1154 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:02.800 Oh weird? Have you ever met this man? 1155 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:03.320 Your friend? 1156 00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:05.639 Supposedly, I don't follow his work. 1157 00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:06.559 Oh my god. 1158 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:06.840 Wow. 1159 00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.000 I think Assassin's Creed Shadows should also not be on 1160 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:10.440 this list. 1161 00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:11.719 It's pretty good. 1162 00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:14.360 I think it's pretty good. I think it's unfair. I 1163 00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:15.320 understand we're having. 1164 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:18.360 A bit of a lull, but I think Assassin's Creed. 1165 00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:21.679 I think it did good for an Assassin's Creed, and 1166 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:23.480 I think it gets it's I think it should get 1167 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:25.920 its due, and I think it should be. 1168 00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:26.360 Off this list. 1169 00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:27.679 I feel like Dan has something to say. 1170 00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:28.159 I do. 1171 00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:30.719 Oh the way you were looking, I was like, I'm 1172 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:33.800 just drunk. It's still mad about that metal years. Yeah, 1173 00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.480 I was thinking, like I can feel this. It's gonna 1174 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:39.199 be either Mario Kart World and Intend to Switch to 1175 00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:43.360 Welcome Tour. I think Mario Kart World gets too much shit. 1176 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:48.239 I will agree it's not the top two Mario Karts ever, 1177 00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:51.360 but it's not this huge disappointment. I think some people 1178 00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:55.400 pointed as I would, Okay, I guess it is. It's okay. 1179 00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:58.159 I kind of just want to play eight de Luxe 1180 00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:02.159 to be honest, But it's ninety circuits A Deluxe is 1181 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.079 really fucking good. And switch to Welcome Tour is like, 1182 00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:07.400 I don't even know what that is? Like is that okay? 1183 00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.159 Like I don't know, it's like Google docs. Okay, Like 1184 00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:13.079 it's just it's barely a game, you. 1185 00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.320 Know, it's barely a game. 1186 00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:17.239 I kind of liked it. 1187 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.960 I'm definitely more forgiving a welcome Tour. I kind of 1188 00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:20.239 liked it. 1189 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:23.519 I liked it, yeah too, because it was a very 1190 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.480 weird thing and like Nintendo was like telling you about 1191 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:29.760 all the features of their system in like mini games 1192 00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:30.000 and it. 1193 00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:33.239 Very Nintendo way. Yeah. Yeah, there were many games like 1194 00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:35.280 we want to show you very specifics about how like 1195 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:36.480 Rumble Motors. 1196 00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:39.360 Were four K with like one one that was awesome. 1197 00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:41.199 There were some clever stuff in there, for sure. Actually, 1198 00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:43.360 you know what I like, I like to switch to 1199 00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:47.400 Welcome Tour take it off here. I'm for that. I 1200 00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:49.199 guess I don't know you did. You didn't play it, 1201 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:49.800 there's no way. 1202 00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:54.480 Yeah no, I'm gonna say then because we're already at 1203 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:59.960 our SMS. Mario Kart was just okay. 1204 00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:02.519 The way you described it sounded okay. I actually I 1205 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:05.159 think it's I had. I liked quite a bit about 1206 00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:09.199 Borderlands for wow. I think my thing with Mario Kart 1207 00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:13.000 World is like, man, they were cooking for so long. 1208 00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:18.679 We had Mario Kart eight for like ten years before 1209 00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:20.320 that came out, and it's just kind of like, all. 1210 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:22.159 Right, there's an open world and there, and there's the 1211 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:24.360 to be fair, there is the cool like wall writing stuff, 1212 00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:27.039 but what percentage of players actually they don't and the 1213 00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:28.880 open world stuff is not as much of a game. 1214 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:30.599 Like when I saw that first trailer for World, I 1215 00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.639 was like, this is the game changer, this is the 1216 00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:36.400 killer app, and like it's a very good game. But yeah, 1217 00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:38.159 after like a ten year wait and everything, like what 1218 00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:39.960 could they possibly do with the next Mario card and 1219 00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:44.559 like it's not exactly I think what I wanted? So boy, 1220 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:49.760 I think that could win? Yeah, okay, yeah, are you 1221 00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:53.440 a Mike Carr World. Sure, okay, it hurts me to 1222 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:56.000 say it, but yeah it's not poop aka the most 1223 00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:57.000 okay game of the Year. 1224 00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:00.440 Uh. Nomin Or runner ups are Borderlands four, Mafi The 1225 00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:05.079 Old Country, but the winner is Mario Kart World. Great 1226 00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:10.079 all right, next category, all right A fan favorite the 1227 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:13.159 most fucked Fucker. Shout out to Deadlock, who came up 1228 00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.599 with this the only podcast I listened to. And nominees 1229 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.559 are Fox Mask from Silent Hill, F. 1230 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:22.559 The Birthing Monster from Silent Hill, F The Banana Thieves 1231 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:27.119 from Lego Party, Mulgren from The Midnight Walk, Libra from 1232 00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:31.280 Eldon Ring Night Rain, All Three, All the Act Three 1233 00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:36.519 Bosses in Silk Song, Bush from megabonk Fred from Look Outside, 1234 00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:39.000 Higgs from Death Stranding two. 1235 00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:40.840 ORNI dude in Haities two? 1236 00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:43.199 Do we is this dionics is that he's the guy 1237 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:45.840 with the lead that always wants to fuck It. 1238 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:47.760 Describes a lot of them, though, doesn't you guys know 1239 00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:49.119 Matt Riddle. He looks like Matt Riddle. 1240 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:51.800 He's the guy who's like, one, Hey, what's up? 1241 00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:54.000 Do you want to have some? Diis? I think, yeah, 1242 00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:58.000 you want to have some? And the cow from or 1243 00:58:58.119 --> 00:58:59.119 just Cow from Mario Kark. 1244 00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:05.559 Is it possible, Judge Yake, for you to replace this 1245 00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:10.559 category text with images from some of these characters, because 1246 00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:12.360 I think it's important that might be. 1247 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.719 I know, I don't want to push it, but but 1248 00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:16.800 also for the audio. 1249 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:20.079 Some of my arguments are so based on the visual 1250 00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:23.000 design of these characters that either all of the people 1251 00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:24.639 in the audience are gonna have to google them or 1252 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:26.280 you're gonna have to put up a quick image. 1253 00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:28.920 You know, so many people will listen on audio that 1254 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:30.920 I think, like, if you do want to see, I'd 1255 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:31.559 say google, but. 1256 00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:34.480 I would say, do your breast to describe. I would say, like, 1257 00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:36.840 you know some of the more fucked up ones. Okay, well, 1258 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.760 I to start out, I would say a birthing monster 1259 00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.800 I think deserves it over Fox Mass from Silent Hill 1260 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:43.480 left totally. 1261 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.559 Yeah, I think I put fox Mass on there. 1262 00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:48.559 I put fox Mass sounds like there's got to be 1263 00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:50.760 something in here. And then I saw you added birthing monster. 1264 00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:51.880 I was like, oh, yeah, that's the one. 1265 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:54.119 The birthing monster is what it sounds like. It is 1266 00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:59.679 like literally giving birth. I think it's a classic Silent Hill. 1267 01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:08.199 It's indicative of horrors of birth. Of children. It's crying, 1268 01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:15.440 it's slithering, it's vile, it's bulbous, it's pussy. It's really 1269 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:18.199 fucking upsetting, and it does lock you in a space 1270 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:20.920 with it with a key. There's no way out, and 1271 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.719 if you kill it, it just comes back. You can't 1272 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.199 actually kill it, Like I think this is a puzzle 1273 01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.199 where you have to solve it with this, with this 1274 01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:34.760 being in your vicinity. Absolutely grotesque, fucker. 1275 01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:36.960 I mean, I never even saw the video everyone saw 1276 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:39.840 in Junior High of actual birth, and like everyone acted 1277 01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:41.440 like that was horrifying. So I don't even know that 1278 01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:43.880 looks like I'm sure this is worse than that. Right, 1279 01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:46.920 it's not as bad, but the real is like it 1280 01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:48.480 probably we don't. 1281 01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:52.400 Like I can't even imagine birth, and I think it does. 1282 01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:55.119 It? Really? 1283 01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:57.920 Why did you say that with a safe cadence like 1284 01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:03.360 I like holes like Mary kishive, we don't want it. 1285 01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:10.360 I think it's a very clear horror for so many people, 1286 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:14.960 and yeah, absolutely vile. I think it. I think personally 1287 01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:16.719 it should remained. 1288 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:18.159 There's something on here that doesn't belong. 1289 01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:18.480 Now. 1290 01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:22.840 To be fair, I've only played this once, but the 1291 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:24.599 Banana Thieves and Lego Party. 1292 01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:27.920 Were coming cool dudes. 1293 01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:31.880 I thought they were in that. Hey, hey, Mike, why 1294 01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:33.800 don't you describe what they fucking do? What is there 1295 01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:36.079 one thing they do? The Banana Thieves and Lego party. 1296 01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:38.880 They pull up in like the penultimate round, in a 1297 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:43.079 banana shaped boat with like sixteen mufflers and they're dressed 1298 01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:47.559 like bananas, matching the boat with sunglasses, and they've got 1299 01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:51.159 night at the Roxbury era cell phones the size of 1300 01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:58.519 like fucking the like the key cards in GoldenEye. Then 1301 01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:02.440 when someone rolls up and pays them seventy five Lego studs, 1302 01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:03.880 they steal it from. 1303 01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:07.079 Damn they Then they don't just steal it for me do? 1304 01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:08.480 They then call in. 1305 01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:13.599 A fleet of balloon riding monkeys in the sky, one 1306 01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:16.679 monkey of which has a similar cell phone, is like, yeah, 1307 01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:21.000 we got a boss, and they all just drop onto 1308 01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.199 the person that you put the hit on. Yeah. So 1309 01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:25.840 it was me like eight times with like a fleet 1310 01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:28.920 of monkeys falling on me, And like I think, because 1311 01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:31.280 like Lego's staying true to the property, They're like, well, 1312 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:33.000 it has to just be the monkey figs that we 1313 01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:37.400 created in the game. But what it looks like is 1314 01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:39.800 a bunch of the monkeys falling on the character who 1315 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:42.559 is in like horrified, do you fall on your back? 1316 01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.000 Like no, and a bunch of the monkeys just kind. 1317 01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:48.840 Of fall and pile on this person steal whatever you 1318 01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:51.679 tell them to steal, whether it's the gold brick more 1319 01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:55.239 often than not, I would imagine, or some studs. Then 1320 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.960 they just basically like Fulton Recovery system back up into 1321 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:02.440 the sky, and the banana dudes like, all right, peace out, 1322 01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:04.800 and then he goes to the next place to make it. 1323 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.400 Give you the gold brick that the monkeys fucked you for. 1324 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:10.039 Cool, Yes, cool dudes. 1325 01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:12.400 In case that was not clear, it just in general 1326 01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:14.039 does not. Yeah, it was not. 1327 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:17.079 The monkeys piling on them had more than a hint 1328 01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:20.239 of some uh salacious behavior. 1329 01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:22.000 Yeah, if you're under a pile of monkeys that are 1330 01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:25.760 all just like shaking, and yeah, it's really fucked up stressed. 1331 01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:28.760 And then so in order to so like to Jake's point, 1332 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:32.079 like the banana thieves are actually pretty fucking cool. And 1333 01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:35.480 then oh and then they have the audacity to show 1334 01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:39.760 up to the awards ceremony in the last place. 1335 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:43.079 The monkeys are like yeah, yeah. 1336 01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:47.719 Yeah, we know what we did. Yeah, they're they're so 1337 01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.159 fucking cool. They should have been in Cool Dudes, they 1338 01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:51.880 are badass. 1339 01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:53.199 I don't think they would have beat out. 1340 01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:55.639 I think it's funny. I think it depends on who's 1341 01:03:55.719 --> 01:03:59.039 hiring them. I don't think they belong here. 1342 01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:01.000 I don't either. They should have been a ghost of 1343 01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:04.599 Yotakil Tree unlocked to get the banana themes and ghost 1344 01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:09.400 of that's like mon and then you just they just 1345 01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.920 descend on every like outpost and just wreck the Samurai. 1346 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:14.280 Cool. 1347 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.840 Yeah, you're playing the guitar like. I'll be honest, if 1348 01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:21.239 they didn't just fuck me into the last place today, 1349 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:22.800 I'd be like, God, this is the coolest thing I've 1350 01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:23.199 ever heard. 1351 01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:28.280 I know they gotta goers dance. 1352 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:30.039 Fucker were coming force. I agree. 1353 01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:34.599 I think I put in the molegrim. Anyone who has 1354 01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:38.159 played The Midnight Walk. If you haven't, here's my short 1355 01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:38.960 sales pitch. 1356 01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:44.079 This is a uh I want to look up mom, 1357 01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:45.159 because you told us to get. 1358 01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:49.039 Everyone Google mole Grim the Midnight Walk. It's listed in 1359 01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:50.639 the upper left corner so you can see how to 1360 01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:51.000 spell it. 1361 01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:52.119 This is like a. 1362 01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:57.480 Claymation style game. You're in first person, you're running from 1363 01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:02.239 I want to say it looks like a slithering shit. 1364 01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:06.320 It looks like a gray slug with sharp teeth. 1365 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:07.519 You know what it looks like to me is it 1366 01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:09.199 looks like you know, in the eighties they would make 1367 01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:10.840 these shitty horror movies and stuff, but it was all 1368 01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:13.679 like practical effects would be like the Monsters stuff. It 1369 01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.760 looks like a thing made of like rubber, and. 1370 01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:18.239 Like, yeah, that thing looks it's like someone's thumb that 1371 01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:21.559 was decomposing and then a grow a nose and teeth, eyes. 1372 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:23.400 It doesn't look like it should be alive. But it 1373 01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:26.000 is hunting you. And a huge component of this game, 1374 01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:27.679 and the reason I added it isn't just the way 1375 01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.639 it looks, but it also like it's hunting you, and 1376 01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:34.119 so you have to hide under these peaks in the game, 1377 01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:36.880 and when you hide, even if you hide, if it 1378 01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:40.679 saw you, it chases you and sticks its head in 1379 01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:43.199 the hole to look for you and having it like 1380 01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:47.800 look really close, it gets really into the camera looking 1381 01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:51.960 over and around you. Very upsetting. It's a terrifying boss. 1382 01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:56.519 You can hear him. He's he's slithering around. It's nasty 1383 01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:00.599 and if he catches you, ah, it's genuinely upsetting to 1384 01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:03.079 be hunted by this. This give was in VR as well, right, 1385 01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:05.119 it is in VR, and I think that's like an 1386 01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:07.119 additive skin. I did not play it in VR. I 1387 01:06:07.239 --> 01:06:09.000 just played it on PC. I don't think you need 1388 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:10.960 the VR experience. I think it would probably be more 1389 01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:14.400 it would be an even fucked fucker if you were 1390 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:18.000 in in VR. But as a PC game, I think 1391 01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:20.679 this is a vile, disgusting monster that hunts you. It 1392 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:23.719 is frightening, and he's also kind of sad. It's kind 1393 01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.880 of like the additive part of it. He's not just gross, 1394 01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:29.480 he's just this sad, little massive goose. 1395 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:32.000 Obviously this sounds like, this sounds great for this category. 1396 01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:36.239 Yeah, he's nasty, so he's a good it's good. He 1397 01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:39.280 is a good person for this category. I think I 1398 01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:41.519 don't know if he's a person. He's a good little slug. 1399 01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:43.880 I think we got a couple of potential cuts here. 1400 01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.199 One I don't love. I have not seen all the 1401 01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:49.519 Act three bosses and soilks on I'm sure they all 1402 01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:51.400 suck ass in terms of just like this is just 1403 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:52.880 a huge pain in the ass to kill, but like 1404 01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.760 a huge blumpanglers, like a whole axe bosses into one thing. 1405 01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:58.880 I don't know. This seems like we got some strong 1406 01:06:59.039 --> 01:06:59.639 options here. 1407 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:03.000 Put this in there. I don't remember placing this. I 1408 01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:06.760 do think that the bosses and Silk Song are really 1409 01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:10.800 agro and they're very difficult. But even like the main 1410 01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:15.079 girl that you fight at the very end, what's her 1411 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:16.679 name and a. 1412 01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:18.719 Song? 1413 01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:22.199 Yeah, she's got all the clouds around her, and she's 1414 01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:24.039 tiny and white, and she's got this tiny. 1415 01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:30.320 Spin or needle or pointy or something point. She's really tough, 1416 01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:34.480 jade fire. 1417 01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:37.400 She's brutal, and she's not even the toughest. I just 1418 01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:41.559 think like you're getting to a point where it's really stressful. 1419 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:44.480 I don't actually think that she's a fucked fucker, though, 1420 01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:52.320 because that descriptor is for someone who looks that's for 1421 01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:58.320 someone who looks vile. I'm so thirsty. Wait, are we 1422 01:07:58.360 --> 01:07:58.800 at a beer? 1423 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:00.039 No? 1424 01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:01.079 No, get something else. 1425 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:03.679 Anyway, I don't think she belongs. So let's take out 1426 01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:04.760 the Act three bosses. 1427 01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:06.360 Wait, hold on? I put that there. 1428 01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:09.239 I was like, did you do Act three? Did you 1429 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:09.960 complete Act three? 1430 01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:11.239 I didn't complete Act three? 1431 01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:13.159 Actory is fucking brutal. 1432 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:16.760 That is almost the reason I stopped playing that game. 1433 01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:20.399 But it's gonna come up. 1434 01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:23.800 To that Act three. 1435 01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:30.319 I'm looking into it. I don't think that they're fuckers. 1436 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:33.119 I think they are all fuckers except for one. 1437 01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:36.279 There's one boss that isn't and there's a very touching 1438 01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:38.159 story as to why that boss is there and I 1439 01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:40.680 and I liked it. But all the other ones Buckings. 1440 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:44.279 Have you done Coral Tower? Yes, I just finished hated 1441 01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:44.640 that ship. 1442 01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:47.359 Yeah, that one's really really tough, and there's a really 1443 01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:49.720 tough run back for it as well. So every time 1444 01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:52.520 you lose, there's like a five minute journey to get 1445 01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:53.199 back to the boy. 1446 01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:55.600 It's just arena arena, arena arena, and then. 1447 01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:59.840 The I know, but the end reward. 1448 01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:07.560 I'm venting a little because that Act three almost broke me. 1449 01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:09.239 Like that almost broke me. 1450 01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:11.479 I almost wish I didn't play through Act three because 1451 01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:15.720 of how whoa much like how brutal that third act 1452 01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:18.159 was something I ended like I got credits on two, 1453 01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:20.640 which I did, and then it's like I did the. 1454 01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:21.960 First kind of like went down. I was like, I 1455 01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:23.720 got so many other games playing now, I've been playing 1456 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:25.880 like sixty hours of Soak Song and maybe I'll come 1457 01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:27.560 back to Act three and like, so my thoughts on 1458 01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:28.800 such song are very positive. 1459 01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.880 I've heard stuffing that're still very positive. But Act three 1460 01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:34.720 was such a and they like I don't want to 1461 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:39.159 spoil things. They like do things to the world that 1462 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:41.399 also make it more of a pain to traverse in 1463 01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:44.000 a way that I also did not like to. Act 1464 01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:46.039 three for me was just I was just I felt 1465 01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:47.560 like I was banging my head against the keyboard the 1466 01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:51.279 entire time I was playing it. To your point, these 1467 01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:54.039 bosses aren't like fucked fuckers and like a you know 1468 01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:57.800 again Fu Funcker kind of way, you know, like a 1469 01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:01.680 fucker right now, I didn't say it on a mute. 1470 01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:04.600 Where what is this week? 1471 01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:05.800 What characters? 1472 01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:06.239 Anyway? 1473 01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:07.600 I just need to get that off my chest. 1474 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.880 Okay, No, I'm like fair, but it's a fair thing 1475 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:13.720 to bring You're talking about in the end of Act two, 1476 01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:15.199 not at all what I was talking about. 1477 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:17.000 It's just I'm not talking about that either. 1478 01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.279 Yeah, those those bosses are absolutely. 1479 01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:21.800 This is a fair point. I don't think they belong 1480 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:22.600 in this category. 1481 01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:23.239 I don't. 1482 01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:28.039 I I will cut Higgs from Death Training two. Uh, 1483 01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:30.600 this is stiff competition. This is Troy Baker's character, the 1484 01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.119 main bad guy from desth training two. He's just a 1485 01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:37.399 weird joker, guitar player, guy that like wants to end 1486 01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:41.079 the world. And uh, he always got a tragic backstory 1487 01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:44.279 or something. It's it's not the deepest character. He's fucked up, 1488 01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:45.800 for sure. He has a guitar. He says, to win 1489 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:50.960 fire a bunch. Uh, there's better stuff in this category. Okay, cow, 1490 01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:55.840 we'll What the fuck's up with that cow? That point right? 1491 01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:59.880 He's riding a motorcycles. Don't even to look up picture 1492 01:10:59.920 --> 01:11:02.600 you've seen a cow be imagine one on a motorcycle. 1493 01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:03.800 It's fucked up. 1494 01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:05.000 That sounds cool. 1495 01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:08.359 I don't know if he's. 1496 01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:12.000 I would sounds like a cow having a good time. 1497 01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:13.439 I don't trust him. 1498 01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:16.359 I think cows deserve to be able to live better lives. 1499 01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:18.439 It's pretty cool. 1500 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:22.199 That seems awesome that you lost cred. 1501 01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:25.199 All right, that's pretty cool, Cad. 1502 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:33.840 While you guys are, while you guys are googling Google 1503 01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:39.199 Fred from look outside. This is important that I explained 1504 01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:41.800 that this is a character that you meet. When you 1505 01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:45.119 meet him, he says, I'm a painter and there are 1506 01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:48.600 people trying to hurt me. You need to know I 1507 01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:53.760 am the real Fred. Kill all the other Freds. The 1508 01:11:53.920 --> 01:11:57.680 next thing you do, I don't think that's that's a Listen. 1509 01:11:58.399 --> 01:11:58.920 I'm listening. 1510 01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:01.439 I'm trying to Fred. 1511 01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:05.319 So the next thing you need to know is is 1512 01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:09.000 you open a freezer and in the freezer is a 1513 01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:12.920 decapitated head of Fred on like an alien body. And 1514 01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:17.039 the head says, I am Fred. The person you just 1515 01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:21.399 talked to is not Fred. That person is an impostor. 1516 01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:24.199 They cut my head off, they put me in here. 1517 01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:27.279 I am the real Fred. And you have to you 1518 01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:30.560 have to help me kill that guy immediately and protect me. 1519 01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:33.119 And then right there your characters to make a decision 1520 01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:35.399 of whether or not you kill the Fred you just 1521 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:37.680 met that said listen, every other Fred you're gonna meet 1522 01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:40.000 is an imposter, something's going on, or the guy that 1523 01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:42.840 you met in the freezer, and that starts a cascade 1524 01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:47.600 of decisions. As you keep going, you keep meeting more Freds, 1525 01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:51.000 and the Freds get more and more fucked up. 1526 01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:51.319 Yeah. 1527 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:54.960 There's there's Wriglyfred. There's tumor Fred. There's bright Fred. There's 1528 01:12:55.000 --> 01:13:01.840 shadow Fred Fred who bites toxic Fred, godhead Fred, faceless Fred. 1529 01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:05.159 Look at this, I this seems incredible. 1530 01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:07.640 It's actually very different. 1531 01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:09.399 He is. 1532 01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:13.119 And it's also very the thing because the whole point 1533 01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:16.840 of what this is setting up is somebody's lying to 1534 01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:20.319 you and you, as the character, get to decide who 1535 01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:23.760 the real Fred is. I think this is one of 1536 01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:26.359 the more brilliant things that happens. And Look Outside, which 1537 01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:29.439 anyone who doesn't know, is a game where you it's 1538 01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:31.560 kind of like a point and click adventury thing, but 1539 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:35.399 you're you have to solve a horror. This is a 1540 01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:38.239 horror experience where you can't look outside. There's an alien 1541 01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:41.720 or some entity that's taking over the world, and you're 1542 01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:44.800 coming across these characters where something horrible is happening to them. 1543 01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:50.479 This area of Fred is terrifying. I find it so 1544 01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:53.319 stressful to go in each door knowing I'm going to 1545 01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:55.720 find another Fred who's going to beg to me that 1546 01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:59.039 they are the real Fred. And they're all disgusting, they 1547 01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:02.680 are all vile, and it's a really cool sequence there. 1548 01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:05.119 Aret there art guy like went off the chain on 1549 01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:08.520 this one. So hats off to this game and Fred. 1550 01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:12.600 I mean Mary. Between Fred and Mulgrum, I mean these 1551 01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:13.960 are two like slam dunks. 1552 01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:16.159 I know they are both slam dunks and I think, 1553 01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:19.039 like take the cow off. I can't. Yeah, I can't. 1554 01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:21.840 I'm glad you didn't ask me. I think they both 1555 01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:22.560 belong on him. 1556 01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:26.279 Look awesome. Yeah, uh, Mike, I'm with you. On the 1557 01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:29.159 bush from Megabank, that's fucked up. Do you want to 1558 01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:30.039 tell about the bush? 1559 01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:34.159 Yeah? So, uh, First, the first forest level in Megabank, 1560 01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:36.399 on a tier one, you can come across a bush 1561 01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:38.359 that has googly eyes that's kind of like tracking you, 1562 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:41.680 and then you can press X on it to like, uh, 1563 01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:43.720 what does it? Investigate the bush and then all of 1564 01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:45.680 a sudden, two feet in a snipe rifle pop out 1565 01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:49.359 of it starts yeah, and you see bush and then 1566 01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:51.680 he starts chasing you. In the first tier, it's uh, 1567 01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:54.079 you see red laser sites track you down and take 1568 01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:56.199 out like half your health with each shot that he makes. 1569 01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:58.760 If you encounter him on later tiers, he doesn't even 1570 01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:01.079 bother with the sniper rifle. He just chases you and 1571 01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:04.000 kind of like humps you across the map. It's only 1572 01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:08.359 later you can if you upgrade a certain Tome secondary 1573 01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:11.760 item to the right level and complete Forest tier two, 1574 01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:14.399 I believe, or beat the Bush, you can unlock him 1575 01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:17.119 as a character. So that's just a little like R 1576 01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:21.279 two D two shaped bush with the same proportioned feet 1577 01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:25.159 running around with like guns attached, the sniper rifle attached 1578 01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:26.600 to me. 1579 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:28.640 Like that is like the soul of a fucked fucker, 1580 01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:29.880 where it's like you just think, it's like, oh, what's 1581 01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:32.560 this bush? I can hit X on this, And there's 1582 01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:33.760 so many things in that game where it's like, oh, 1583 01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:35.640 it's a pot, No, I got some gems. It's like, oh, 1584 01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:37.159 here's the thing. Oh I got a nice thing, and 1585 01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:38.680 it's like a bush, I can hit X on it. 1586 01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:41.479 And then it's like hunting with a sniper. Every world 1587 01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:41.920 has one. 1588 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:43.800 There's the Bandit in the Desert, and I forget the 1589 01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:46.920 third one, and they're all really difficult if you do 1590 01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:49.119 them too early. You really need to know what you're doing, 1591 01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:51.800 or you need to be confident you're at the right level. 1592 01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:54.680 But Bush is the first one, and then it's very 1593 01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:57.119 funny that you can then unlock Bush as a character 1594 01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:00.760 later on. Yeah, he's a he's a fucker. It was 1595 01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:03.199 like we can probably cut horny, like this is a 1596 01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:05.600 very strong category. Now we got some real contenders. The 1597 01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:06.760 horny dude in Hades two. 1598 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:08.399 Every time I get to his area and I was like, 1599 01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:13.079 I'm just walking to this weird fu hotel, Like, yeah, man, 1600 01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:15.119 I just want to whatever you give me, I just 1601 01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:18.279 want to clean. And you know, I think Dionysius, it's 1602 01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:20.119 the guy with a leaf on his dick and he's 1603 01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:24.079 just like drunk and it's like some some weird going on. Yeah, yeah, 1604 01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:25.600 I think there's so much like weird to cow people 1605 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:26.600 dancing around and stuff. 1606 01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:29.880 Tell me about Libra, Yeah, well I was gonna offer 1607 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:32.319 that one up as a as a cup. But Libra, 1608 01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:35.479 I think has kind of become notorious in Night Rain 1609 01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:38.800 for being a bit of a fucked fucker. Uh. He 1610 01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:41.319 does this thing when you do an ever dark run 1611 01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:45.119 where he summons a bunch of random people who come 1612 01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:48.439 and fight against you and just he's a pain in yass. 1613 01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:50.159 But I don't think he's as fucked as some of 1614 01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:51.880 these other ones. Yeah, we got some This is a 1615 01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:55.159 crazy categories here, and yeah, I think it's because it's 1616 01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:59.119 let's keep bush boys. So we got a birthing monster, 1617 01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:00.600 we got the weird. 1618 01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:01.680 They're all miserable. 1619 01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:04.359 Yeah, we got the bush. I kind of like the 1620 01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:07.479 idea keeping bush because it's a different flavor of fucked. 1621 01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:10.039 The rest of these guys, I agree, so out of 1622 01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:15.399 the like just horrific hr Geiger, you know, crafty and whatever. Like, 1623 01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:17.319 Can we which one of those can we cut? 1624 01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:17.920 Yeah? 1625 01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:20.880 I think either Birthing Monster or Mulgram probably this. I 1626 01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:24.359 like what I've seen in a way that i've seen 1627 01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:25.520 Silent will be sucked up before. 1628 01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:29.079 I'm gonna I'm gonna do something out of character, and 1629 01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:31.720 I'm gonna say the Birthing Monster can go because I 1630 01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:35.439 expect this ship from Silent Hill. They they have consistently 1631 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:39.199 made horrible, disgusting monsters, and they've also played with like 1632 01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:44.399 children birth before and other Silent Hills. This wasn't outrageously. 1633 01:17:43.880 --> 01:17:45.279 Related to correct. 1634 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:47.520 This wasn't something where I was like, I can't believe it. 1635 01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:51.439 I've never seen a Fred before where they have ten 1636 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:54.079 characters that are all pretending to be Fred, but only 1637 01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:55.880 one of them is Fred and the others are monsters 1638 01:17:55.920 --> 01:17:59.039 that have consumed his soul. I've never seen a Mulgrim, 1639 01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:02.319 which is like some kind of weird toilet slug that's 1640 01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.960 found its way out and is trying to also eat you. 1641 01:18:05.439 --> 01:18:10.840 These are very stressful character designs that deserve more. 1642 01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:13.439 I think I think your description of Fred was what 1643 01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:16.680 sold me on that, and he's different, and I would 1644 01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:19.000 recommend you know, Mike looked it up and like Mary said, 1645 01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:21.119 like looking at it is helpful look up Fred from 1646 01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:21.960 Look Outside. 1647 01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:24.159 The well play Look Outside. I mean, ultimately, like the 1648 01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:27.359 reason we do this Game of the Year showcase and 1649 01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:29.039 we talked to you about all these games is because 1650 01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:31.960 they're all worth playing. There's a lot of reasons to 1651 01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:35.159 play all the games that are nominated. For various reasons, 1652 01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:41.319 people probably won't I think naturally want to play or 1653 01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:44.960 like expect to play Look Outside. This is an indie 1654 01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:47.840 ass indie game. It might not it might not take 1655 01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:52.000 all of your boxes, but if you're interested in scary games, 1656 01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:55.800 cosmic horror, this game is terrifying. It also was a 1657 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:59.800 really cool mechanic, just very briefly, where you actually can't 1658 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:03.199 unless you open a certain amount of doors. It's making 1659 01:19:03.399 --> 01:19:07.119 you experience a certain amount of rooms before you're allowed 1660 01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:08.359 to go to. 1661 01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:11.000 A safe room. Like no, that's cool, Okay, it's very cool. 1662 01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:13.319 So it's designed to scare the shit out of you, 1663 01:19:13.479 --> 01:19:15.279 and they do an excellent job. So if you like 1664 01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:16.319 to be scared, check out. 1665 01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:18.479 Horror earth Bound or Horror Mother three. 1666 01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:20.119 Yeah, Nightmare Fuel. 1667 01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:21.920 I'm told that sounds cool as hell. 1668 01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:23.439 Okay, well we've got it. 1669 01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:23.680 Then. 1670 01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:27.640 The most fucked fucker runner ups are Bush, Megabank, Mulgram, 1671 01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:31.520 Midnight Walk, and the winner is Fred from Lookoutside. 1672 01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:33.439 All right, have some heavy hitters this here for that 1673 01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:35.159 one that's cool to have. 1674 01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:38.279 Look Outside win anything that's awesome. I'm really excited you 1675 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:40.479 told me. Yeah, yeah, all right. 1676 01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:41.000 Next up? 1677 01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:44.520 Next up is Best Game to Look At. 1678 01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:47.279 Oh, this is a vision. This is like not just 1679 01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:53.399 visual fidelity, every artistic style, direction, color, you name it. 1680 01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:55.920 So it's just like we keep these really vague and 1681 01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:58.800 kind of generic intentionally to be like, what would. 1682 01:19:58.640 --> 01:19:59.199 You like looking at? 1683 01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:00.239 Yeah? Yeah. 1684 01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:04.119 And the nominees this year are Ghost of. 1685 01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:12.640 Jota, Silent Hill, Kingdom Come, Deliverance Too, Death Stranding two, Shanobi, 1686 01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:17.000 Art of Vengeance, Keeper, Sectory, Sort Of a Sea, The 1687 01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:21.760 Midnight Walk, Claire Obscure Expedition thirty three, Metroid Prime. 1688 01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:23.680 Four, Luminous Ares. 1689 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:29.680 Ooh man, I'm looking for easy cuts and it's not 1690 01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:30.680 even that easy, I know. 1691 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:32.720 I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna offer up a couple. 1692 01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:36.399 I think that Keeper is really cool. I'm going to 1693 01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:39.520 offer it for a couple of reasons. It's a really 1694 01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:43.319 neat looking artistic style. I think it looks good. It 1695 01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:45.920 did not play great for me on a Steam deck. 1696 01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:47.880 It like they didn't obviously like make sure that it 1697 01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:50.119 played on a lot of different consoles, and I think 1698 01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:52.479 that's a bummer. So I think that is a cut 1699 01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:53.720 for me, just because if. 1700 01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:55.239 You want it to play good, it has to play 1701 01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:59.439 I have another potentially controversial cut. I think there's some 1702 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:02.800 really cool environments in Clare Obscure. I don't think it's 1703 01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:05.840 the best looking game. I think it's actually pretty rough 1704 01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:07.520 around the edges. I don't think. 1705 01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:11.840 Fidelity wise, it's necessarily the mostly pushing the I love 1706 01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:14.880 the design so much that you're just that weird, you know, 1707 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:17.119 swirly Eiffel Tower, and like the design of like the 1708 01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:19.039 guest rolls and a bunch of these characters, even like 1709 01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:21.640 the actual main party and everything. I think they all 1710 01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:22.479 k cool. 1711 01:21:22.640 --> 01:21:26.279 You know, the first major area, you're basically in like 1712 01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:29.439 a coral reef, but it's not underwater, almost like it's 1713 01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:31.399 really it looks awesome. 1714 01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:33.600 Yeah, like your hair is floating like you're underwater, but 1715 01:21:33.640 --> 01:21:36.039 you're running like you're not underwater. I thought that was cool. 1716 01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:38.159 And part of the reason I've never really clicked with 1717 01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:40.399 turn based RPGs and stuff is I feel like so 1718 01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:42.079 many of them are so tropy, and like, all right, 1719 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:43.560 I got a big sore and there's a fucking castle, 1720 01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:45.520 and it came whatever, I don't give a shit this Like, 1721 01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:48.199 I've never really seen a game where the characters and 1722 01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:50.680 environments looked quite like this, and that is kind of 1723 01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:52.920 why I was willing to go outside of my usual 1724 01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:54.439 comfort Ja. Yeah you can. Also you can. 1725 01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:57.840 You can have characters in with berets and baguettes slung 1726 01:21:57.880 --> 01:21:59.720 over their shoulders, So that's cool, it is. 1727 01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:04.520 Yeah, we're gonna have to make some cuts, I think, like, 1728 01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:07.520 can we if no one is opposed, let's take out Keeper. 1729 01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:11.800 That game is so beautiful, though artistically I think it's 1730 01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:14.079 we can't keep them all so far ahead of a 1731 01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:15.079 lot of these games. 1732 01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:18.119 All right, all right, tell me, Judge, I need you 1733 01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:19.079 to throw some stuff out. 1734 01:22:19.159 --> 01:22:25.119 Then things throw out? Well, uh, okay, Lumin's a rise Luminous. 1735 01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:27.760 That game. It's a great puzzle game. But part of 1736 01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:30.520 Luminus has always been the sights and sounds and it's 1737 01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:33.000 just beautiful shifting. But like if you've played the tetrisffect again, 1738 01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:35.880 Luminis kind of did that before Tetris effect. We're just 1739 01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:38.079 kind of shifting you never knew, like, oh this time 1740 01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:40.399 it's apples and broccoli, and now it's shifting into like 1741 01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:43.159 it's taxis and ice, and you know, it's just the 1742 01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:45.439 way it seamlessly kind of flows in and out. But 1743 01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:47.079 it's still kind of the same puzzle game. 1744 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:47.760 Uh. 1745 01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:51.359 I don't think it's gonna hang with some of the 1746 01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:53.880 other ones here, but it is a beautiful game and 1747 01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:55.000 the music's fantastic. 1748 01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:56.840 I don't think it's gonna make it okay. I think 1749 01:22:56.840 --> 01:23:00.399 we can cut personally secretory. I think it's a really clean, 1750 01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:02.000 vibrant looking game, but it is. 1751 01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:06.319 Really Wars beautiful. Yeah, yeah, not in this category. 1752 01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:08.159 It's what I want. It's exactly what I want that 1753 01:23:08.279 --> 01:23:10.359 game to look like. It's readable, I know what I'm 1754 01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:12.079 doing effect. 1755 01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:15.319 Even Luminous Arise on most or like even Geometry a 1756 01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:16.319 Wars was like they did that. 1757 01:23:16.359 --> 01:23:18.119 I wouldn't change the thing about the way that game looks, 1758 01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:20.720 but like there's every one's doing more interesting things with Yeah, 1759 01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:23.000 what about Metro Prime four. I think you even said 1760 01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:26.319 that in your head it kind of looks like metrics 1761 01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:28.439 and maybe Yeah, it's just I'm a mark for you 1762 01:23:28.520 --> 01:23:30.840 know that metroc Prime Nostologia. But like everything is just 1763 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:33.920 so clean. It's it's the best looking Nintendo game like ever. 1764 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:35.880 It's just that design is. 1765 01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:36.479 What is that? 1766 01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:44.000 It's not a really good argument, damn, just out of nowhere. 1767 01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:46.199 We're talking about ghost of your time. We're talking about 1768 01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:48.479 like these are like games are so sunningly beautiful, and 1769 01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:50.680 you're like, of all the other Metroids, which are a 1770 01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:54.159 bunch of stinkers, this one looks pretty like I'm just saying, 1771 01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:56.079 like none of them are known for their art style. 1772 01:23:56.319 --> 01:24:01.439 Metro Yes, beautiful fucking sies. What are you talking about? 1773 01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:06.760 This entire category is about pushing art to its limit. 1774 01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:09.039 That's really not what Metroid is known for. 1775 01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:16.039 The I disagree with that, but I do think with 1776 01:24:16.159 --> 01:24:18.520 metro print, like the desert in metrod Prime for. 1777 01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:25.000 It's empty, the deserts are I will I will say 1778 01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:32.399 the design of Samus and just nostalgia goes a long way. 1779 01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:35.720 You need a shovel, dug. Nostalgia goes a long way 1780 01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:38.640 with it. It I've been thinking a lot about my 1781 01:24:38.680 --> 01:24:41.079 thoughts the Metro Prime four A lot. 1782 01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:43.439 Is the most up it's can we put Dan up? 1783 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:45.920 I've been thinking a lot about my thoughts on this game. 1784 01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:54.600 This. I feel like Dan's being kind of obnoxious. 1785 01:24:54.079 --> 01:24:58.079 Right now and you won't acknowledge, Like it's not that Metroid. 1786 01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:00.520 Metroid is a beautiful game. I'm not saying it's not. 1787 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:03.760 I'm just saying, like we're talking about category, Like this 1788 01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:08.439 category is like about incredible visual aesthetic. These are like 1789 01:25:08.479 --> 01:25:11.920 really pushing it. It has that Metroid Prime four pushed 1790 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:14.960 the boundaries of visual aesthetics to a new level. 1791 01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:18.119 Everyone's talking about beautiful aesthetic. 1792 01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:19.880 Played this game. 1793 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:22.279 I've looked at it, which is what you need to 1794 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:23.720 do to vote for this. 1795 01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:28.199 Category best game to look at? You know this ethereally 1796 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:31.079 space adventure. The design of a samusis suon in these 1797 01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:34.039 alien worlds, everything, the Vault Forge, the way, like I said, 1798 01:25:34.079 --> 01:25:38.079 these environments look fucking incredible. Like Metroid is a beautiful 1799 01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:40.199 game has always been a beautiful game, going back to 1800 01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:44.159 the nes Sites sounds, Metroid is very much known for that, 1801 01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:47.439 and I think Metroid Prime four is one right there. 1802 01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:49.680 It's not I mean, it's a switch to game. It's 1803 01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:52.840 not gonna hang fidelity wise or anything, but art design wise, 1804 01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:55.039 I think it's up there with the best of them. 1805 01:25:55.960 --> 01:25:57.359 I just feel like you're looking at a bunch of 1806 01:25:57.439 --> 01:25:58.359 tunnels and doors. 1807 01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:05.840 Oh is it time? Yes, he just said. 1808 01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:08.800 I've been thinking about my thoughts about this game a 1809 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:09.560 lot lately. 1810 01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:12.600 Mary has an, I have a Christmas gift for you. 1811 01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:15.119 Oh what are we doing? She had something for you? 1812 01:26:15.399 --> 01:26:15.640 Can you? 1813 01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:18.760 I want to be careful with our setup, but is 1814 01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:19.279 it possible? 1815 01:26:19.319 --> 01:26:19.760 What is this? 1816 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:21.079 That camera closer? 1817 01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:22.159 Oh my god? 1818 01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:25.000 This just so that we can make sure that the audience. 1819 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:28.720 Yeah, Mary said, like, let me know when Dan's being 1820 01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:31.199 the most obnoxious. This is my Wendy's moment. 1821 01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:38.880 Yeah, Dan, I made you something. I made this for 1822 01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:43.680 you based on who you are. To me, mean, I 1823 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:48.399 really appreciate it if when you show this gift, because 1824 01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:51.319 it takes time for you to reveal it, that the 1825 01:26:51.399 --> 01:26:53.880 audience gets to enjoy it too. So I'd like you 1826 01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:55.760 to like kind of show it like this is that Okay, 1827 01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:56.600 not the New Yorker. 1828 01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:57.399 That's just the reveal. 1829 01:26:57.439 --> 01:26:59.359 It's not the New Yorker, Okay. 1830 01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:02.760 Okay, it's just uh this here, I got it. What 1831 01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:05.680 the just au kf b R three nine two but okay, 1832 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:10.520 looks a lot like it. It's the Fire Escapes, Pad mh. 1833 01:27:14.720 --> 01:27:16.199 I appreciate the reference. 1834 01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:19.640 You're reference game of the year. 1835 01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:30.159 It's the Clues. Okay, all right, I don't have any 1836 01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:30.720 problems yet. 1837 01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:31.880 That's weird. 1838 01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:37.479 Oh, it's a lot of time involved to make this. 1839 01:27:37.960 --> 01:27:41.760 Oh my, keep going. You can't fake that. 1840 01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:43.199 That's just a marker on a paper. 1841 01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:44.479 I spent three months on this. 1842 01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:54.000 Good what's on the page for. 1843 01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:57.640 The audio listener? If you've seen mcgruber, it's pretty much 1844 01:27:57.680 --> 01:27:59.880 a one to one so far of the KFPR three. 1845 01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:04.079 I'm too Pad of just shining all Jack working, no play. 1846 01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:09.079 It's just my name a million times over? Uh in 1847 01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:09.840 a notepad? 1848 01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:14.399 Oh my god. 1849 01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:19.640 Da, it's a it's look, there's no description I can do. 1850 01:28:19.720 --> 01:28:20.880 That's gonna do this justice? Right now? 1851 01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:27.439 You should find the video version. This is on a 1852 01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:29.199 notebook paper with actual marker. 1853 01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:32.439 There's the way you fake this. I can feel the 1854 01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:43.600 marker ink. Let's get that close, Mike. 1855 01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:46.079 You want to describe that? Yeah, it's it's Mary hanging 1856 01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.159 from a like what looks like a trellis pooping on 1857 01:28:48.319 --> 01:28:52.039 Dan or Mike Manatti from way above. It's a pretty 1858 01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:52.600 good drawing me. 1859 01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:56.039 It's a red steno. It's the exact same notebook that 1860 01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:58.560 he made in the book. 1861 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:04.920 You said, like when Dan's being like very Dan, I 1862 01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:08.800 ironically love this. I know I told you that. I'm like, 1863 01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:11.520 if you think this is going to deflate his ego, no, 1864 01:29:12.399 --> 01:29:15.520 why I am putting this in there was like my yearbooks. 1865 01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:18.319 And that this is this is as soon as you said, 1866 01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:20.199 I've been thinking a lot about my thoughts on this day. 1867 01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:22.960 I've been thinking a lot about you and how much 1868 01:29:23.079 --> 01:29:26.039 I hate I also love you. 1869 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:28.319 This is fantastic. 1870 01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:33.840 This is incredible practice. 1871 01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:45.800 Yeah ship stuck my hands suck, Yeah sucks all right, probably, 1872 01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:52.079 ok right, this is incredible. 1873 01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:57.479 Okay do we really cut my red pranport defend me? 1874 01:29:58.000 --> 01:29:59.319 I didn't play it yet. 1875 01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:02.760 Oh. I think that series is I think that series 1876 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:07.520 is purposely kind of dark, and I think when that 1877 01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:10.399 series uses color, it's with the intention and I think 1878 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.680 it's no. Yeah, but I don't need to defend you. 1879 01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:16.520 We don't have to cut it yet. But like looking 1880 01:30:16.600 --> 01:30:19.119 at this list, I already know what my winner is. 1881 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:21.279 I'm just trying to find the other cuts to get there. 1882 01:30:22.039 --> 01:30:24.399 All thrown out there. I think like Kingdom Come Deliverance 1883 01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:27.520 is a very beautiful game and it relies on realism 1884 01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:30.399 in a way to create its world, and I think 1885 01:30:30.439 --> 01:30:34.680 it is stunning, but like it's not striking. Maybe yeah, 1886 01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:38.199 I feel like at a certain point I appreciate how 1887 01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:42.319 much it sticks to that like bohemian bohemia, And I've 1888 01:30:42.359 --> 01:30:45.479 seen videos about how like the bushes and trees and 1889 01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:48.479 how the folly just set up that's realistic and like 1890 01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:51.760 very and it's it's really cool. But like when I 1891 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:53.760 play that game, I'm not just like this was it 1892 01:30:53.880 --> 01:30:57.399 was not the most striking time to be alive visually, 1893 01:30:57.720 --> 01:30:59.680 but like they stuck to that for the purposes of 1894 01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:03.479 the set. But yeah, they like researched everything down to 1895 01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:05.479 the very like buckles that would have been on every belt, 1896 01:31:05.479 --> 01:31:07.399 which is like not exactly what I look for in games, 1897 01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:10.800 but it's like considering how much impressive. Yeah, yeah, but 1898 01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:12.439 I don't know that's like my favorite to look at. 1899 01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:16.119 I want to cut Shanobi. I think that art style 1900 01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:18.880 is killer. I think certain things like these super attacks 1901 01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:20.439 where the dragon comes in there, like there's some of 1902 01:31:20.479 --> 01:31:22.800 that just hand around art style is incredible. But there's 1903 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:24.880 a lot of areas too, in environments that are just like, 1904 01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:27.399 I don't know, here's a big kind of like factory area. 1905 01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:29.399 Here's just like you know, some of the like it 1906 01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:32.399 doesn't really stand out. I think it it looks great. 1907 01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:34.399 It's a stacked category. 1908 01:31:35.479 --> 01:31:38.760 It's stacked. I think we should talk about death stranding too. 1909 01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:41.359 I mean, I think out of all these that's probably 1910 01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:44.640 the most like, holy shit, photorealistic fidelity type, you know, 1911 01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:47.039 like that is. But it also it's not like it's 1912 01:31:47.159 --> 01:31:52.720 boring realistic. It is very surreal, otherworldly, you know. It's. 1913 01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:56.199 Yeah, there's pars in that game, like a there's the 1914 01:31:56.359 --> 01:31:59.039 uh when the what the characters when they were walking 1915 01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:03.680 toward the first plate gate. Oh yeah, all those characters. 1916 01:32:03.760 --> 01:32:07.239 Oh yeah, the costume design, the like, the depth. But 1917 01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:10.680 even right at the beginning when you start off, I 1918 01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:14.960 don't seek out photorealism in games. I actually think, like, 1919 01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:18.159 I'm kind of not against it, but it really does 1920 01:32:18.199 --> 01:32:20.039 not do much for me. But early on in that 1921 01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:24.760 first opening scene, I'm like, this looks pretty real. Those 1922 01:32:24.840 --> 01:32:27.760 ridges you're kind of along, that was one of the 1923 01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:31.960 most stunning things ever. I don't But to answer Mary's question, 1924 01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:35.079 I don't think the whole game really looks that great 1925 01:32:35.159 --> 01:32:37.520 in a way other open world games here look fucking 1926 01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:40.960 stunning everywhere you look. But I do think there are 1927 01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:42.920 moments that pop in a way that I'm like, that's 1928 01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:48.880 unreal looking. Yeah, there are some very i think purposely 1929 01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:51.439 muddy areas in that game that are supposed to be 1930 01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:53.359 like a quagmire that he's fighting through. 1931 01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:56.279 But like and look, I know, photo realism, like some 1932 01:32:56.319 --> 01:32:57.880 people might find it boring or whatever, but like if 1933 01:32:57.880 --> 01:32:59.920 you just talking about like people looking like people in 1934 01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:02.600 looking like these actors, the facial animations and things like that, 1935 01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:05.079 Like the capture technology is like it's in a league 1936 01:33:05.079 --> 01:33:06.760 of its own, you know. I think there's something to 1937 01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:07.279 be said for that. 1938 01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:11.399 I'd say, uh, just to kind of changeups, I think. 1939 01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:13.800 I think Silent Hill Left probably doesn't hang. I think 1940 01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:15.479 that is a very beautiful game, and the way it 1941 01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:20.159 uses color is impressive, But they're also like like early 1942 01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:24.000 on you're just kind of going through the very monotone 1943 01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:26.239 town and it's like, I know it's intentional. 1944 01:33:26.840 --> 01:33:30.199 Yeah, it's foggy, it's a it's a dream like nightmare. 1945 01:33:30.319 --> 01:33:31.199 I don't think it hangs. 1946 01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:33.760 As much as I do like the direction and art 1947 01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:36.399 style of it, I think like it's a it's. 1948 01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:40.000 A category all I will concede. I think if we're 1949 01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:42.359 at this point, I think we have to rea talk 1950 01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:47.760 about Claire obscure. Yeah, I would like someone has to 1951 01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:49.479 be an advocate for this game at this point. 1952 01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:52.039 I also say, right now, I think the heavy hitters 1953 01:33:52.119 --> 01:33:54.319 are I think Ghost of Yota. I think that's training two. 1954 01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:58.920 To me, those are the two. I didn't play sort 1955 01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:00.279 of the Sea, but from what I saw it looks 1956 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:02.479 it looks awesome, but it looks awesome in the way 1957 01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:04.920 that like Journey or you know, the other games from 1958 01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:07.720 this developer ab Zoo like have looked they're stunning. 1959 01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:12.319 I think it's a stunning design. I think we've seen 1960 01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:16.600 that style before. I do love the sand and the 1961 01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:20.680 addition of like sea creatures with the sand, it looks amazing. 1962 01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:23.720 It's funny like as we keep talking about the stuff though, 1963 01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:26.520 like I'm maybe more inclined to keep Keeper than I 1964 01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:28.439 am sort Of the Sea. And that's just at where 1965 01:34:28.479 --> 01:34:31.359 we're at with this conversation. But like, there are games 1966 01:34:31.399 --> 01:34:33.239 I'm going to fight for and I'm not sure if 1967 01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:36.079 I would fight for sort of the Sea. It's beautiful, though. 1968 01:34:36.680 --> 01:34:40.720 Midnight Walk is also like again, it's it's so cool 1969 01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:44.239 to have a claymation style game like that in today's age, 1970 01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:46.520 especially as we're like talking about. 1971 01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:47.159 You know. 1972 01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:51.680 AI, and just like the way that artists are making games, 1973 01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:55.520 this game is handmade. It's it's incredible that they've constructed 1974 01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:57.399 this the way that they have, and all the characters 1975 01:34:57.479 --> 01:34:59.960 they look ridiculous, and they've done such a good job 1976 01:35:01.079 --> 01:35:04.760 creating original, disgusting characters. So at this point, at some 1977 01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:06.680 point it's subjective and I have to let. 1978 01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:11.720 It go up. I'll say, uh, I think Expedition thirty 1979 01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:13.960 three is beautiful, but looking at the rest of this list, 1980 01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:16.960 I don't know if it's gonna hang. I think the 1981 01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:22.279 environmental Artist, Yeah, yeah, I'll be willing to like again, 1982 01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:23.680 this is very stacked. 1983 01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:26.359 I also, I mean Keeper, I know I fought for it, 1984 01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:29.800 but looking at like Ghosts of Yota, I mean i'd 1985 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:33.000 say Keeper over Death Stranding, but I would too, But 1986 01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:35.039 I mean Midnight Walk, I think is one that I 1987 01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:35.760 wouldn't want. 1988 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:43.279 To Yeah to me, it's Yota des stranding in Midnight Walk, Michael, I. 1989 01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:46.840 Think The thing with Keeper though, is like every single 1990 01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:49.960 frame or shot in that game I think you could 1991 01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:52.159 print and put on your wall and it would look 1992 01:35:52.319 --> 01:35:55.800 incredibly like it doesn't it doesn't look like a video 1993 01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:57.560 game in a video game way. They did this very 1994 01:35:57.640 --> 01:36:01.600 cool watercolor style that just gives so much depth and 1995 01:36:01.720 --> 01:36:03.520 layer to that game in a way like I don't 1996 01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:07.119 think I've seen a game with that style. Uh, And 1997 01:36:07.279 --> 01:36:10.119 like you know, as I just said, like I would 1998 01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:13.199 literally print out screens from that game. And the way 1999 01:36:13.279 --> 01:36:15.279 the camera is faced, so you don't control the camera 2000 01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:18.399 in that game, and it's very very intentional because every 2001 01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:21.640 shot is just so well composed and there is like 2002 01:36:21.800 --> 01:36:25.880 a level of detail and perfection to how these shots 2003 01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:31.000 are that like it's it's such a visually stunning game. 2004 01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:35.800 But they don't have the motion capture that Death Straining has, 2005 01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:37.439 So you know, put a bunch of. 2006 01:36:37.479 --> 01:36:41.720 Dots on someone's face, just zoom in on someone's cheek 2007 01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:43.760 doesn't mean that it's an amazing just the. 2008 01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:45.840 Technical stuff like what Mike was saying about, like that 2009 01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:47.920 that playgate thing with like all the like cult is 2010 01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:48.439 going in and. 2011 01:36:48.600 --> 01:36:50.439 I will say, like the first time in Death Straining 2012 01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:53.720 when you go into that like alternate reality and you 2013 01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:55.520 fight that one guy and there's. 2014 01:36:55.399 --> 01:37:01.640 All the maybe the most stunning looking things. This is 2015 01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:03.840 the best game to look at. I first saw that 2016 01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:06.279 section when I was at that preview event Japan. Let 2017 01:37:06.319 --> 01:37:08.960 it sit there, and it's the ferris wheel and the like. 2018 01:37:09.119 --> 01:37:10.239 Yeah that parts. 2019 01:37:11.319 --> 01:37:12.359 They lots more tree stuff. 2020 01:37:12.760 --> 01:37:12.920 You know. 2021 01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:14.279 I'm so glad you brought that up because when I 2022 01:37:14.319 --> 01:37:15.720 was at that preview event, you know, there were like 2023 01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:17.920 thirty people playing the game, all on different things in 2024 01:37:17.960 --> 01:37:19.399 the same room, and you know, I'm getting up to 2025 01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:21.279 use the bathroom stuff. I had food poisoning, I was 2026 01:37:21.279 --> 01:37:24.560 shipping my brains out, Etcagma production really, oh my god, 2027 01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:28.119 I chat so much there. Well, no, I need to 2028 01:37:28.199 --> 01:37:31.000 know that. That's crucial and it's crazy. So on one 2029 01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:32.319 of my nineteen ships. 2030 01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:35.000 Because you were a production, how much consistency. 2031 01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:37.640 I would get out toilets and I would walk and 2032 01:37:38.680 --> 01:37:42.119 just taking my time, and uh so people were getting 2033 01:37:42.159 --> 01:37:44.640 ahead of it. And you saw this Ferriss wheel scene 2034 01:37:44.680 --> 01:37:48.640 and then you actually ship your pants as five chili dogs. 2035 01:37:52.039 --> 01:38:02.600 Oh my god, the chili dogs don't eat it. Give 2036 01:38:02.640 --> 01:38:05.199 ahead a little more. 2037 01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:07.680 So as soon as I'm walking to the bathroom and 2038 01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:08.760 like I would just out of the corner of my 2039 01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:10.640 eye see all these different stations and I would just 2040 01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:13.239 see these like spinning pinwheel like with all the light 2041 01:38:13.319 --> 01:38:15.960 and they were putting on we had bass ps fives 2042 01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:17.680 at that, and I was like, what the fuck is that. 2043 01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:19.039 I would like be trying to look away, but I 2044 01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:21.359 was like, that is a stunning looking sequence, and then 2045 01:38:21.359 --> 01:38:23.399 I got to it, and holy shit, Like I do 2046 01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:26.760 think that that Neil section with the fireworks and everything 2047 01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:29.479 is maybe the best best game to look at. I 2048 01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:32.119 think it is like the best looking sequence I've ever 2049 01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:34.680 seen in a game that definitely really really good. 2050 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:36.279 I would say like that was the moment where I 2051 01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:39.479 was like, oh, like they like you don't even see 2052 01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:42.319 that stuff on PC, like like it's just tremendous. 2053 01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:44.399 Yeah, well, Judge, I think this has to go to you. 2054 01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:46.560 I don't think I'm willing. 2055 01:38:46.359 --> 01:38:49.119 To cut that stranding Midnight. 2056 01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:52.680 I think I think as much as I love Keeper 2057 01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:54.920 and Mary, that was like the first one you brought up. 2058 01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:57.760 I think I think that's I'll take it. 2059 01:38:57.880 --> 01:39:00.600 I think that's fair. I want to start this by 2060 01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:05.479 saying I believe very firmly that the winner here is Ghost. 2061 01:39:05.680 --> 01:39:07.800 I agree, and I think it is incredible in so 2062 01:39:07.880 --> 01:39:10.760 many ways. I don't think we should have to argue 2063 01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:12.880 for it. If we're all in alignment, it is so 2064 01:39:13.079 --> 01:39:13.960 unbelievable we don't have. 2065 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:15.279 To argue, but I think we do need to give 2066 01:39:15.279 --> 01:39:17.640 it credit of things where's like there's obviously the fidelities 2067 01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:19.720 is stuff, like it's a beautiful looking game, Like the 2068 01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:22.119 environment's incredible the way that like, oh, the snowy area, 2069 01:39:22.199 --> 01:39:24.399 this kind of umninal area. But then even the little 2070 01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:26.439 things like you know, how many fucking maps have we 2071 01:39:26.479 --> 01:39:28.279 looked at in open world games? And you look at 2072 01:39:28.319 --> 01:39:29.800 the map here and just all the kind of like 2073 01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:31.840 you know, paint lines and stuff and just kind of 2074 01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:34.039 the hand drawn like fortresses and things. And when you 2075 01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:36.079 get the map pieces and you're trying to look at 2076 01:39:36.079 --> 01:39:37.720 all the rivers and stuff in a line, it like 2077 01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:41.079 everything feels like there's just cohesive hole in that game. 2078 01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:44.239 So clean. 2079 01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:47.479 Again, like every like Sword hillt you get like even 2080 01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:49.800 if it's not like the style you're going for without too, 2081 01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:52.239 it's so like just looks incredible with the threads around 2082 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:55.920 the hilt. But like I don't like every single environment 2083 01:39:55.960 --> 01:39:59.000 I was in the scale the lighting, the color, like 2084 01:39:59.159 --> 01:40:01.399 use of color is up there, like Assassin's Creed Origins. 2085 01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:02.960 It's one of my favorite and open worlds. Like you 2086 01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:05.399 go into that bamboo forest in the north and it's 2087 01:40:05.479 --> 01:40:09.399 just perfectly dark, and you can like the way the 2088 01:40:09.439 --> 01:40:11.720 footprints settle into the snow, they're still there when you 2089 01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:15.319 come back. The when you're just looking out of the coastline, 2090 01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:17.279 the way the fog settles over it. Like I feel 2091 01:40:17.319 --> 01:40:19.600 like I can smell that game almost because it looks 2092 01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:21.479 so good no matter what environment. And then you go 2093 01:40:21.520 --> 01:40:23.000 out of the beaches in the south and it's like 2094 01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:28.000 completely different vibes. I like that is up there with 2095 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:32.439 the most beautiful games I've ever played. Yeah, and I 2096 01:40:33.239 --> 01:40:36.000 not that this is the best barometer, but I've never 2097 01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:38.760 felt the need to go into photo mode that often. 2098 01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:41.520 And like I actually like when I was playing that game, 2099 01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:43.600 I pulled up my own my old screenshots from like 2100 01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:46.000 a few days before, Like this game is fucking unreal. 2101 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:48.720 There's the late title card when you're riding the horse 2102 01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:50.399 and you just see the mountain in the background. Stuff, 2103 01:40:50.479 --> 01:40:52.199 Like it's rare than I'm like taking a back. 2104 01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:57.840 Feel like kill Bill meets Glorious Bastards meets in the 2105 01:40:57.920 --> 01:40:59.960 mood for Love. It feels like wankr WHI was involve 2106 01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:01.600 with every shot of that and the fact that you're 2107 01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:04.239 controlling the camera and they still manage to make every 2108 01:41:04.319 --> 01:41:05.880 single site line that beautiful is. 2109 01:41:06.039 --> 01:41:08.439 And it's a part of the design. When you choose 2110 01:41:09.199 --> 01:41:12.920 your next mission, it's done through the flower petals in 2111 01:41:13.039 --> 01:41:16.520 the wind, Like how nice is that? It's not an arrow, 2112 01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:20.960 it's the wind going through the reeds that you're running 2113 01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:23.199 through on your horse, like hot damn. 2114 01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:25.600 Like a lot of that they did that in Sushima, 2115 01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:27.520 you know, the winds and everything. But like I think 2116 01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:30.960 they just took everything and just up a notch. They 2117 01:41:31.039 --> 01:41:32.880 really did with something like the cinematic quality of this, 2118 01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:35.600 Like I mean the Sushma was very influenced by Kersawa 2119 01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:37.119 and I'm different movies and stuff, but like, I think 2120 01:41:37.159 --> 01:41:40.680 the cinematic influence is much more obvious in the direction 2121 01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:41.079 of this one. 2122 01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:43.000 Yeah, and like a lot of the quests know exactly 2123 01:41:43.079 --> 01:41:44.800 how good looking the world is. It's like it's not 2124 01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:48.800 go to this place, it's there's a very there's an 2125 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.119 orange tree somewhere in this area, go find it, and 2126 01:41:51.159 --> 01:41:53.039 then you stumble upon it. I forget what kind of 2127 01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:55.439 tree it is. It's not the Ginkgo trees, but it's like, yeah, 2128 01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:57.840 it's gorgeous. And then you're finding these like ice statues 2129 01:41:57.880 --> 01:42:00.439 of a woman and her daughter everywhere. That's snow statues 2130 01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:03.359 at center, but like, oh, then the villages, Like the 2131 01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:06.600 architecture is just like there's a lot of intricacy to 2132 01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:10.800 every piece of wood. I that game is just also 2133 01:42:11.279 --> 01:42:14.640 fucking costume design. Every time I got a new leaving 2134 01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:16.880 leaving aside this the quest design, which I'm sure we'll 2135 01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:22.319 talk about later, but like every new uh gear set 2136 01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:25.079 I got, I was so fucking excited to upgrade it 2137 01:42:25.159 --> 01:42:27.079 to see what it looked like because it's like, especially 2138 01:42:27.159 --> 01:42:29.479 like the Crimson kimono or whatever. It was like, yeah, 2139 01:42:30.359 --> 01:42:32.840 so many of them look unreal and just like further 2140 01:42:32.960 --> 01:42:37.000 embraced the ninja fantasy that game I every layer. 2141 01:42:37.399 --> 01:42:38.760 I think that game looks incredible. 2142 01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:39.000 Yeah. 2143 01:42:39.479 --> 01:42:42.039 I think it's the winner, all right. I already bowlded 2144 01:42:42.079 --> 01:42:44.439 it good best game to look at. 2145 01:42:44.520 --> 01:42:46.640 Runner ups are Midnight Walking, Death Straining too, but the 2146 01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:49.920 winner is Ghost of Vote yep. 2147 01:42:51.079 --> 01:42:53.880 Nice. Next category is category. 2148 01:42:53.600 --> 01:42:58.760 Is best game to listen to? Second to last before 2149 01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:02.399 we get the Game of the Crista. Nominies are South 2150 01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:08.840 of Midnight, Keeper, Sectory, Luminous or Eyes Stranding two, Hollow Night, 2151 01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:13.720 Silk Song, Metroid Prime four, Beyond Doom, The Dark Ages, 2152 01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:16.800 Claire Obscular, Arc Raiders. 2153 01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:20.640 Uh, I'll cut Death Stranding. 2154 01:43:21.199 --> 01:43:23.520 I do well the game that you've put in every 2155 01:43:23.600 --> 01:43:25.439 category that's crazy, and. 2156 01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:27.000 I've cut a lot too. 2157 01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:30.680 I just think like I always am annoyed whenever it's 2158 01:43:30.720 --> 01:43:32.560 a movie or game or something, and I feel like 2159 01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:35.000 the soundtrack is like, oh, it's the creator being like, 2160 01:43:35.479 --> 01:43:36.720 check out my eclectic taste. 2161 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:36.880 You know. 2162 01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:39.399 It's like it's I hated Baby Driver. It's like, yeah, 2163 01:43:39.439 --> 01:43:41.479 we get it, Edgar Wright, like, oh yeah, we've we've 2164 01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:44.119 heard the music. It's just annoying to me. It's people 2165 01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:46.279 trying to be I just don't like Baby Driver. 2166 01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:46.560 As a movie. 2167 01:43:46.640 --> 01:43:49.560 But I mean, I think all the music and deest 2168 01:43:49.640 --> 01:43:52.119 randing makes sense for what's happening. But it's just like, 2169 01:43:52.159 --> 01:43:54.159 all right, we get it today. I follow your Instagram, 2170 01:43:54.239 --> 01:43:54.560 I get it. 2171 01:43:54.680 --> 01:43:57.119 You know, Keeper is better to look at than sound. 2172 01:43:58.039 --> 01:44:00.000 Yeah, yeah, I agree. 2173 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:02.199 I think there's respectfully cool tracks. 2174 01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:05.000 But like, like, let's be real here, they can all 2175 01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:05.880 be winners. 2176 01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:08.319 Sectory kicks ass. I mean it might as well be 2177 01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:10.520 Jountry Warst music to me, you know, which is good 2178 01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:11.119 for whatever. 2179 01:44:11.640 --> 01:44:13.720 It's not the winner, and I think we have to 2180 01:44:13.760 --> 01:44:18.680 start like being a bit more our creators. The sound 2181 01:44:18.760 --> 01:44:23.119 design is incredible. Is this really like our best game 2182 01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:23.720 to listen to? 2183 01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:24.920 All? 2184 01:44:25.319 --> 01:44:25.560 Well? 2185 01:44:25.640 --> 01:44:28.119 Actually? So? I think the thing about our creators though, 2186 01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:31.720 is that the sound design implies how you play that game. Like, 2187 01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:34.520 the sound design is so important to that game in 2188 01:44:34.640 --> 01:44:37.640 my opinion. You can hear where there's gun, yeah, like 2189 01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:40.319 like the guns sound differently, so you know what people 2190 01:44:40.359 --> 01:44:42.800 are using away you. You can hear the robots. You 2191 01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:43.560 know it's robots. 2192 01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:44.279 You're gonna have to do it. 2193 01:44:44.439 --> 01:44:47.119 So I think, like maybe it doesn't sound pretty as 2194 01:44:47.239 --> 01:44:49.159 like some of these other games, but I think like 2195 01:44:49.439 --> 01:44:53.000 the actual usefulness of the sound design, I think is 2196 01:44:53.119 --> 01:44:55.479 something that a lot of games don't quite get to 2197 01:44:55.560 --> 01:44:59.039 that level. So the proximity chat genuinely sounds like there's 2198 01:44:59.039 --> 01:45:01.279 an echo to it when you or in certain sized buildings. 2199 01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:04.119 That's like it does actually kind of reverberate around bigger rooms, 2200 01:45:04.159 --> 01:45:06.039 and then when they're in small hallways, it sounds like 2201 01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:06.880 it's right there. 2202 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:08.640 Like I think, oh, high boss. 2203 01:45:08.920 --> 01:45:11.920 I think a good example is like Battlefield has incredible 2204 01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:13.720 sound design, but it's like not all that useful and 2205 01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:15.119 you're actually playing it, you know, it's just like. 2206 01:45:15.239 --> 01:45:20.359 A bunch of like just cacocophony. You know, it's just 2207 01:45:20.359 --> 01:45:21.239 a bunch of shit happening. 2208 01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:23.640 But in our graders, it's like it's very intentional and 2209 01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:28.479 like every sound means something, and I think that's pretty cool. 2210 01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:32.239 Yeah, not the game that I want to listen to. 2211 01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:36.760 Metrod Trime Pour has all of the good Metroid sounds 2212 01:45:36.800 --> 01:45:39.039 that you want to hear, and it has like a 2213 01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:41.960 couple like all Timer tracks like that. The Pury Green 2214 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:47.439 track is incredible, but overall, I don't think it's going 2215 01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:47.760 to hang. 2216 01:45:48.319 --> 01:45:50.960 It's just shocking that you, like, did you nominate those? 2217 01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:52.520 I don't know. 2218 01:45:52.800 --> 01:45:56.039 I may have you did this in Death Stranding too, 2219 01:45:56.159 --> 01:45:59.520 I assume, but not Hades Too, which is like to 2220 01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:02.239 listen too, has fucking music in it. 2221 01:46:02.359 --> 01:46:03.199 It has a boss. 2222 01:46:03.239 --> 01:46:04.359 Dedicated to music. 2223 01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:11.000 Oh, the sirens would be here, like like why we 2224 01:46:11.159 --> 01:46:11.680 do what we do? 2225 01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:13.720 I don't remember any video games such a. 2226 01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:16.800 Music oriented video game, but you didn't nominate I don't 2227 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:20.359 remember game music South of Midnight is stunning and is 2228 01:46:20.800 --> 01:46:23.920 set to musical tracks. So everything, the story, all the 2229 01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:26.520 boss fights, they're all set to musical tracks. It is 2230 01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:30.319 incredibly well done and it does deserve a nod. I 2231 01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:33.960 would cut other things before I cut it. I think 2232 01:46:34.439 --> 01:46:37.279 Doom love me some metal music, and I think it 2233 01:46:37.479 --> 01:46:39.439 is really good metal music, but I don't think it's 2234 01:46:39.479 --> 01:46:41.319 actually the best metal music I've ever heard. 2235 01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:43.199 I think this is the weakest of the Doom sound. 2236 01:46:43.439 --> 01:46:44.239 I agree. 2237 01:46:45.560 --> 01:46:49.479 Then the Luminous the music is a big part of 2238 01:46:49.640 --> 01:46:52.359 the game, but I think Jacob Geller said something about 2239 01:46:52.359 --> 01:46:55.000 how a lot of it sounds like songs that would 2240 01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:58.880 be like Royalty Free on like a Netflix reality show 2241 01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:00.920 or something like that. That yeah, and it's like I 2242 01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:02.920 think I'm the PSP and every like. It works for 2243 01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:06.079 the game and everything, but like, I cannot imagine listening 2244 01:47:06.159 --> 01:47:08.920 to any luminous music outside of the context of luminis. 2245 01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:11.840 I think we can cut it, Okay, does Hollow nine 2246 01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:12.439 have good music. 2247 01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:15.319 Hollan Nite does have good music. I think it's within 2248 01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:18.720 the context of it. It's hilarious. I think if if 2249 01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:21.199 we had nominated other games, I would have been like 2250 01:47:21.239 --> 01:47:23.119 holy shit, Like this game, like the music is so 2251 01:47:23.279 --> 01:47:25.880 essential to the gameplay. I don't think that's true with 2252 01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:28.279 Hollow Night, but I think it's incredible for world building 2253 01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:29.000 an atmosphere. 2254 01:47:29.279 --> 01:47:30.720 You know a game I should nominate for this is 2255 01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:31.439 Ball x Pit. 2256 01:47:31.720 --> 01:47:34.159 They've got some really fucking good songs, and that especially 2257 01:47:34.199 --> 01:47:36.319 the Desert got stuck in my head for like six days. 2258 01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:38.439 There is good music in there. I think it's like, 2259 01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:42.399 I think we're we're at the point though, where I 2260 01:47:42.399 --> 01:47:44.720 think we've started making some like serious cuts, and I 2261 01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:47.239 think if we're gonna fight really hard for our greaders, 2262 01:47:47.319 --> 01:47:49.920 I would keep that over, but I won't lose Clare Obscure, 2263 01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:53.760 which I think is just phenomenal and probably the winner, 2264 01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:56.920 and South of Midnight, which I think put this game 2265 01:47:57.439 --> 01:48:00.920 is about the music. The music is core to the game, 2266 01:48:01.000 --> 01:48:02.880 and then the game mechanics work around the music. 2267 01:48:02.960 --> 01:48:04.800 That is so cool. I mean we didn't like the 2268 01:48:04.920 --> 01:48:09.319 musicself of Midnight. It was like too on the note literal. 2269 01:48:09.880 --> 01:48:11.800 Yeah, Like when you're climbing the tree and it's like 2270 01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:14.359 singing to you about climbing the tree, It's like, Yep, 2271 01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:15.319 that's what I'm doing. 2272 01:48:15.479 --> 01:48:17.079 There's a body in that tree though. 2273 01:48:17.560 --> 01:48:20.079 Yeah, you know, I get why people like it, and 2274 01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:22.239 I do think it. I think the music is self 2275 01:48:22.359 --> 01:48:23.960 is good, but the way it's set to the game 2276 01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:28.159 I couldn't do. But music is so core to that game, 2277 01:48:28.279 --> 01:48:28.760 I'll take it. 2278 01:48:28.920 --> 01:48:30.359 We're also at a point with Ease three where we're 2279 01:48:30.439 --> 01:48:34.439 arguing we are direction and music. 2280 01:48:36.159 --> 01:48:40.159 It's got really good soundcheck score and also the sound 2281 01:48:40.159 --> 01:48:42.079 direction is good too for a turn based arpag like 2282 01:48:42.159 --> 01:48:45.880 the noises when you're actually like connecting with the boss. 2283 01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:47.880 And it was just like to listen to like great 2284 01:48:47.920 --> 01:48:48.479 voice acting. 2285 01:48:49.039 --> 01:48:54.159 Yeah, yeah, the voice actors unbelievably good. 2286 01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:55.199 Except for Ben Star. 2287 01:48:55.479 --> 01:48:57.439 It's okay, it's amazing. 2288 01:48:57.640 --> 01:49:01.279 They're also about this, Okay, best game to listen to. 2289 01:49:01.359 --> 01:49:03.560 Runner ups are Arc Raiders in South of Midnight and 2290 01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:08.000 the winner is verb Obscure Expedition thirty three Spill some Ink. 2291 01:49:14.840 --> 01:49:17.760 This is the final one, alright, the final top before 2292 01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:21.680 before we take a break and then Top ten. Okay, yeah, 2293 01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:23.760 here it is Dumbass of the Year. 2294 01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:30.960 Parentheses positive or negative here nowadays are Nate from Baby Steps, 2295 01:49:31.479 --> 01:49:34.159 Miles Mackenzie from Metroid Prime four. 2296 01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:37.239 Void Kong from Donkey Kong Bonanza. 2297 01:49:37.079 --> 01:49:42.119 Dora of Hades two, doll Man deast Randing two, Tropio. 2298 01:49:42.279 --> 01:49:48.239 Hollow Night, Silk Song, Oh, Yachtslee from Avowed, the guest 2299 01:49:48.359 --> 01:49:50.640 roles from Expedition thirty three and Mike, you want to 2300 01:49:50.680 --> 01:49:51.039 take this one? 2301 01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:52.399 Randy Pitchford. 2302 01:49:57.000 --> 01:50:01.439 I boy, they're good ones here. I think do Main 2303 01:50:01.560 --> 01:50:04.159 is just a cool dude. Yeah, I think we cut 2304 01:50:04.279 --> 01:50:04.680 doll Man. 2305 01:50:05.159 --> 01:50:06.479 Dumb Man's fine. 2306 01:50:07.159 --> 01:50:09.960 You've seen that cigarette swim dance thing he does. Yeah, 2307 01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:14.079 it's incredible and it's this old head stupid but so much. 2308 01:50:14.359 --> 01:50:21.479 Yes, yeah, uh hmm. Yachtsley is more just insufferable than 2309 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:24.960 a dumb ass. I just like Yachtsley is someone if 2310 01:50:25.000 --> 01:50:29.279 she was my neighbor, I would move. Yeah, that's a 2311 01:50:29.359 --> 01:50:30.239 good way to describe. 2312 01:50:31.479 --> 01:50:31.800 I don't know. 2313 01:50:32.560 --> 01:50:34.239 Yeah, I don't know. I get that's the dart in 2314 01:50:34.279 --> 01:50:36.720 the bull's eye. I yeah, she's not great. 2315 01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:42.520 It sucks. Oh god. The gest rolls are so fucking good. 2316 01:50:42.760 --> 01:50:45.680 I think they embody kind of down. There's such little 2317 01:50:45.760 --> 01:50:52.560 fucking ships and they're like good, but they're such there there. 2318 01:50:52.800 --> 01:50:54.239 They're so quick to talk. 2319 01:50:54.119 --> 01:50:56.920 Ship even though they're like a quarter of your size, 2320 01:50:57.279 --> 01:50:59.760 Like you come, are you fact? 2321 01:50:59.760 --> 01:51:06.520 Those? He's really good at this, He's like, this is 2322 01:51:06.560 --> 01:51:07.159 a dumb ass. 2323 01:51:07.279 --> 01:51:11.600 Good I gotta leaves really good, unbelievably. 2324 01:51:12.439 --> 01:51:15.640 Yeah, they're so fun. I love that. The same vein 2325 01:51:15.800 --> 01:51:19.720 as Yachtley the fucking ghost from Haities two. Dora, I 2326 01:51:19.800 --> 01:51:22.279 think again inferable. I don't think it's a dumb ass. 2327 01:51:22.359 --> 01:51:24.479 She's just like, you're just I just hate talking to you. 2328 01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:27.520 She's a I'm trying to think. I feel like they 2329 01:51:27.600 --> 01:51:30.439 go a bit too like Manic Pixie dream Girl with her. 2330 01:51:30.520 --> 01:51:33.720 It's just too gen z. Just uh, I hate you 2331 01:51:33.840 --> 01:51:36.479 and now I'm sweet, Like you know, I just hate 2332 01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:38.239 that ship. But like, I don't spoil it, but what 2333 01:51:38.319 --> 01:51:41.479 do you think? The twist for Dora is a chaotic 2334 01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:43.199 character named Dora. 2335 01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:45.560 She's an explorer. 2336 01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:48.039 I don't know Dora. 2337 01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:50.840 Like God, I don't want to spoil it because people 2338 01:51:50.840 --> 01:51:53.239 haven't done it, but but like immediately met this character 2339 01:51:53.279 --> 01:51:55.359 and I was like, Okay, they are doing this thing. 2340 01:51:55.439 --> 01:51:59.359 It's this this character in mythology or whatever. And it's 2341 01:51:59.479 --> 01:52:01.319 just like, Okay, Dora. 2342 01:52:02.640 --> 01:52:02.920 Saw it. 2343 01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:05.760 You saw it coming, yes, And to the point where 2344 01:52:05.800 --> 01:52:08.560 I was like, that's such low hanging for but maybe it's. 2345 01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:16.520 There's a box involved. Oh but I was like, okay, okay, yeah, 2346 01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:19.960 I just she sucks. Boy, void Kong is a dumb ass. 2347 01:52:20.880 --> 01:52:21.000 Uh. 2348 01:52:22.079 --> 01:52:23.720 I think he's really funny. I think he's the way 2349 01:52:23.800 --> 01:52:24.560 but he's a dumb ass. 2350 01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:27.319 And it's also the way he's got stakes all over 2351 01:52:27.319 --> 01:52:29.000 the world that you then destroy and he's Yeah. 2352 01:52:29.039 --> 01:52:31.159 Also it's so fucking funny. Again, we're spoiling this game 2353 01:52:31.159 --> 01:52:32.840 of the year. But the fact that like he's built 2354 01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:34.359 is like, I'm the bad guy in this game. I 2355 01:52:34.520 --> 01:52:37.079 Void Kong and then like there the King k Rules 2356 01:52:37.199 --> 01:52:40.479 comes like fuck you. Yeah, it's like you fucking suck. 2357 01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:43.520 He's just plugging up holes all over the world. Yeah, 2358 01:52:44.039 --> 01:52:48.920 I love that. Boy. Miles mackenzie sounds like an actual 2359 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:53.279 like an anybody who says what I don't mind him, Like, 2360 01:52:53.319 --> 01:52:56.439 I mean, yeah, the when you first meet him, he'snnoying 2361 01:52:56.520 --> 01:52:58.159 and then it's just like he's just a nerdy guy 2362 01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:01.199 that upgrades her farm. Well maybe that maybe we cut him. 2363 01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:02.399 Then I think we cut him. 2364 01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:03.760 It's just like he's totally You have. 2365 01:53:03.800 --> 01:53:07.600 To feel strongly about these or either direction or they 2366 01:53:07.640 --> 01:53:07.960 have to go. 2367 01:53:08.479 --> 01:53:11.520 I think I think Trobio is very good. Trobo's awesome. 2368 01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:12.399 He's a dumb ass. 2369 01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:16.880 Yeah, just a super cocky sings his own name and like, yeah, 2370 01:53:17.279 --> 01:53:17.680 he's great. 2371 01:53:17.720 --> 01:53:20.119 I think he's kind of built this aura and he 2372 01:53:20.239 --> 01:53:23.119 has a stage and there's all this text about him. 2373 01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:25.880 I actually think Trobio is perfect for this list, so 2374 01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:29.800 I think he should stay Nate. I don't feel super 2375 01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:32.600 strongly about Nate positive or negative. But he is a 2376 01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:33.159 dumb ass. 2377 01:53:33.399 --> 01:53:34.880 That's the thing he is. Like, he is so purely 2378 01:53:35.039 --> 01:53:35.640 a dumb ass. 2379 01:53:35.800 --> 01:53:38.600 Turns down a map, turns down help, doesn't want to. 2380 01:53:38.720 --> 01:53:42.319 Just lives and just fucking sits around his dirty pajamas, 2381 01:53:42.479 --> 01:53:44.720 and you know, it's like, yeah, you just you suck 2382 01:53:44.760 --> 01:53:47.640 your dumb ass, you know, Like I don't know, but 2383 01:53:47.760 --> 01:53:51.119 it's not like positive or negative. It's just like dumb. 2384 01:53:51.359 --> 01:53:53.960 This is just a dumb dude, dude, you know. Yeah, 2385 01:53:54.800 --> 01:53:56.760 it's like some of these other are lovable dumb asses 2386 01:53:56.920 --> 01:53:59.880 or you're so fucking dumb. Uh it's notable. You know, 2387 01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:05.680 who are you thinking with that? Hmm, Nate, like removing 2388 01:54:06.359 --> 01:54:09.159 Uh Yeah, I just don't. I don't think it's positive 2389 01:54:09.239 --> 01:54:10.439 or negative. And he just sucks. 2390 01:54:11.079 --> 01:54:18.600 He does suckle. We gotta cut. I want to keep Trobio. 2391 01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:19.840 I feel strongly about that. 2392 01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:23.039 I think the gestrels are hard. I think this is 2393 01:54:23.079 --> 01:54:23.680 a tough one. 2394 01:54:26.920 --> 01:54:27.439 This is tough. 2395 01:54:27.439 --> 01:54:31.079 We got Void Kong, Trobio, the guest rolls and Randy 2396 01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:35.640 Pitchford of Gearbox, the human man that exists gestrols. After 2397 01:54:35.680 --> 01:54:37.840 you beat, after you beat the first suck up a top, 2398 01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:38.199 they're like. 2399 01:54:38.239 --> 01:54:41.079 Oh my god, we fucked up. We didn't build it correctly. 2400 01:54:41.680 --> 01:54:47.439 That's like they're literally good dumbasses. They're so fucking funny, 2401 01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:50.800 they're they they're just basically like cooler. What are the 2402 01:54:51.159 --> 01:54:54.000 things the seeds you get from Breath of the Wild, 2403 01:54:54.479 --> 01:54:58.319 Oh rack, they're like co rocks but funny. 2404 01:54:59.359 --> 01:55:02.880 I will say, Randy already won in one dumb thing 2405 01:55:02.920 --> 01:55:05.359 of the year bad. I think we can cut Randy. Yeah, 2406 01:55:06.079 --> 01:55:09.920 congrats to Adam uh and so it's void contrivial guest 2407 01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:11.119 of God Mike, I think. 2408 01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:13.520 We need to do another gestrial impression to really steal 2409 01:55:13.560 --> 01:55:13.880 the deal. 2410 01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:16.159 All right, guests, tell us we should win. 2411 01:55:18.520 --> 01:55:21.760 Because we are the prom defenders of our village and 2412 01:55:22.119 --> 01:55:24.039 we don't need the sucker pophy. 2413 01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:27.199 Well, defend our own bad and our honor. 2414 01:55:28.039 --> 01:55:32.600 Argue with your stupid paintings and your stupid endings and. 2415 01:55:34.199 --> 01:55:37.159 Multiple endings to this game. I don't care about that. 2416 01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:41.680 We will fuck you up, Gestro. 2417 01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:45.159 Yeah, all right, the mass of the year runner ups 2418 01:55:45.159 --> 01:55:49.039 are a void Kong Trovio. But the winner is the guest. 2419 01:55:49.199 --> 01:55:50.840 The gest rolls from expision thirty. 2420 01:55:51.119 --> 01:55:56.199 Yeah, it's time to figure out the top ten games 2421 01:55:56.840 --> 01:56:01.760 of twenty twenty five. We have a blank Google oc 2422 01:56:01.960 --> 01:56:05.600 in front of us. We are fire Escape. We are Dan, Mike, 2423 01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:09.960 Mary and Jake. And this is it. After twenty four categories, 2424 01:56:10.079 --> 01:56:11.880 it is down to this. What are you laughing at him? 2425 01:56:11.880 --> 01:56:13.680 I was trying to move the pages. It wouldn't move. No, 2426 01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:15.359 because we don't have anything below this. Wait, we got 2427 01:56:15.439 --> 01:56:18.640 to fill it out. Judge Jake, the cool judge Jake 2428 01:56:18.680 --> 01:56:21.159 over there will be the one filling this out as 2429 01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:24.479 we populate this list, cut things off, and then order 2430 01:56:24.640 --> 01:56:28.199 the final top ten of the year. I guess it's 2431 01:56:28.239 --> 01:56:30.840 time we start naming stuff. That's it, the obvious ones. 2432 01:56:31.359 --> 01:56:33.800 Wait when we do like a lot of circle that 2433 01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:36.439 when one person isn't naming six games? 2434 01:56:38.359 --> 01:56:41.279 Uh, okay, I'm not gonna just go out of order 2435 01:56:41.319 --> 01:56:41.520 a bit. 2436 01:56:41.640 --> 01:56:42.239 I'll say. 2437 01:56:43.600 --> 01:56:48.000 Blueprints haities two. Okay, let's leg it in time, Jesus 2438 01:56:48.079 --> 01:56:49.359 go faster, faster, faster. 2439 01:56:50.600 --> 01:56:51.479 Wait haities two. 2440 01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:51.880 Okay. 2441 01:56:52.840 --> 01:57:00.920 Also, I have to fix the fonk because you're ready, Judge, 2442 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:02.960 he looks like a damned fool. He looks like a 2443 01:57:03.119 --> 01:57:05.840 audio listener. He's got a damn donkey congo. All right, 2444 01:57:05.880 --> 01:57:08.159 talking to Amy stuff Expedition thirty three. 2445 01:57:10.479 --> 01:57:16.000 I'm gonna put Silent Hill left, okay, Uh Monster Trained two, 2446 01:57:17.119 --> 01:57:18.960 Ghost of a Yota. 2447 01:57:24.039 --> 01:57:28.760 Thinking and chewing and chewing Shnoby Art of Vengeance? 2448 01:57:29.720 --> 01:57:33.840 Yeah yeah, hello night silk song. 2449 01:57:40.880 --> 01:57:47.439 Uh ar rats. If you're gonna do Shnoby, I will 2450 01:57:47.479 --> 01:57:56.000 see Megabank sectory. 2451 01:57:58.399 --> 01:58:06.640 Randy Pitchford, you can skip. I'm thinking the art of Vengeance. 2452 01:58:16.199 --> 01:58:21.479 All I'm going to do oh for. 2453 01:58:21.600 --> 01:58:24.119 Game of the Year, all right, Bud. 2454 01:58:26.680 --> 01:58:30.800 I felt hollo, okay. 2455 01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:32.159 Oh. 2456 01:58:32.319 --> 01:58:38.039 I'm difficult and I make people's lives more meaningful. So 2457 01:58:38.119 --> 01:58:39.920 I'm wasted on my gun argument my. 2458 01:58:40.039 --> 01:58:43.840 Impressions to help me get through my bad arguments. 2459 01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:52.760 These we beats are metaphor for religion, not religious. Uh 2460 01:58:53.239 --> 01:58:54.239 do we have here? 2461 01:58:55.399 --> 01:58:55.560 Uh? 2462 01:58:56.800 --> 01:59:00.479 You already said Hayes two. I think of my Now 2463 01:59:00.520 --> 01:59:03.920 I'm getting into my like five to tens battlefield six. 2464 01:59:06.279 --> 01:59:10.119 Donkey Kong Bonanza, thank you Peak. 2465 01:59:11.800 --> 01:59:13.359 Really? Yeah? 2466 01:59:14.840 --> 01:59:19.319 Yeah, it doesn't feel good, does it? Sens Man and 2467 01:59:19.399 --> 01:59:20.359 Donkey Kong had. 2468 01:59:22.359 --> 01:59:23.159 Negative aura. 2469 01:59:25.279 --> 01:59:26.119 You know what I'm muting you? 2470 01:59:28.279 --> 01:59:30.039 Uh night Rain. 2471 01:59:31.439 --> 01:59:31.880 Mm hmm. 2472 01:59:38.479 --> 01:59:41.319 At some point, yeah, start looking because at some point 2473 01:59:41.359 --> 01:59:44.560 if you're just saying games, we're wasting if. 2474 01:59:44.399 --> 01:59:47.439 Not ventured outside my list, I haven't. I'm trying to now. 2475 01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:51.159 I'm just trying to remember, like that's training too. Oh yeah, 2476 01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:54.359 that's training to metroids. Not on there yet either, assuming 2477 01:59:54.399 --> 01:59:54.880 you want there? 2478 02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:07.920 Said, Yeah, our creators is on there by. 2479 02:00:12.439 --> 02:00:15.760 Mm hmmm. Did we get our graders? Yeah, we got 2480 02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:19.119 our creators. I think all of my favorites are here. 2481 02:00:19.159 --> 02:00:21.239 I think the ones where I know they can they 2482 02:00:21.279 --> 02:00:22.520 have a chance are on there. 2483 02:00:23.479 --> 02:00:27.640 Checking mine, I think most of my big ones around. 2484 02:00:27.760 --> 02:00:30.680 We got Blue Princy the first one. Yeah, hm hmm. 2485 02:00:32.159 --> 02:00:33.319 That seems pretty strong. 2486 02:00:36.760 --> 02:00:39.000 Let me how things cropping. 2487 02:00:38.760 --> 02:00:42.600 Out and make sure yeah speak now or forever hold 2488 02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:45.319 your piece. We have Shinobi. 2489 02:00:46.159 --> 02:00:57.399 Okay, so we have nineteen right now? Avowed I loved it. 2490 02:00:57.840 --> 02:00:59.640 You would have to argue for it. 2491 02:01:01.800 --> 02:01:03.680 I'll look at my kind of loose list right now. 2492 02:01:03.800 --> 02:01:05.399 If it's not on your top ten I don't want 2493 02:01:05.439 --> 02:01:06.039 you to say that's. 2494 02:01:05.920 --> 02:01:08.439 Something I don't even know right now. It's at my 2495 02:01:08.600 --> 02:01:10.319 like loose sixteen. 2496 02:01:12.520 --> 02:01:13.359 Don't put it on there. 2497 02:01:13.840 --> 02:01:17.319 Okay, Okay, you know what I mean. For struggling, then 2498 02:01:17.920 --> 02:01:20.520 find something. Maybe that's a good sign, a like a 2499 02:01:20.600 --> 02:01:22.199 sign that we Yeah. 2500 02:01:22.039 --> 02:01:24.319 I mean like Luminous is like close to my top ten, 2501 02:01:24.520 --> 02:01:26.239 but I know i'd be the only one and it's 2502 02:01:26.279 --> 02:01:28.880 not even definitely on my top ten. So Mark, our 2503 02:01:28.920 --> 02:01:31.319 World's not gonna make it. You were saying Fortnite should 2504 02:01:31.319 --> 02:01:35.960 make it. Oh, the out Foxies came out earlier this year. 2505 02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:36.840 Oh, we did talk. 2506 02:01:36.720 --> 02:01:38.960 About that was really that was a really good one 2507 02:01:39.000 --> 02:01:40.079 for the Fox. Yeah. 2508 02:01:41.279 --> 02:01:43.600 I don't think Papastrella will make it. I don't think 2509 02:01:43.640 --> 02:01:45.000 Guns of Fury will make it. 2510 02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:46.960 Keepper, do you guys want Keeper? 2511 02:01:47.119 --> 02:01:48.159 I don't think it's gonna make it. 2512 02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:49.880 Yeah, But I mean, like, do you still like, do 2513 02:01:49.920 --> 02:01:52.000 you still think it's it could get like number ten? 2514 02:01:52.279 --> 02:01:53.920 I don't think it will get top ten. 2515 02:01:54.039 --> 02:01:55.319 Okay, that is how I feel. 2516 02:01:55.640 --> 02:01:59.279 I like that game. I I like that game. I 2517 02:01:59.319 --> 02:02:02.840 do not think it's ten. I don't think Doom is 2518 02:02:02.880 --> 02:02:07.359 top ten. I don't think will World is top ten. 2519 02:02:07.640 --> 02:02:09.399 Midnight Walk is not top ten. There's a lot that 2520 02:02:09.520 --> 02:02:13.159 I like, Man, I know, it's a great year. This 2521 02:02:13.279 --> 02:02:16.720 is a good We're being tough because it was these 2522 02:02:16.760 --> 02:02:20.079 are these are hot contendees and I just don't think 2523 02:02:20.119 --> 02:02:22.920 we're probably going to get them in and I want 2524 02:02:22.960 --> 02:02:24.680 to respect everybody's. 2525 02:02:24.640 --> 02:02:26.760 It's the best year since we started doing this podcast. 2526 02:02:26.880 --> 02:02:28.359 Like I look back at my top tens of every 2527 02:02:28.399 --> 02:02:31.239 year and usually like they're they're years where it's like 2528 02:02:31.319 --> 02:02:33.159 the one, two, and three I feel strongly about. In 2529 02:02:33.159 --> 02:02:35.119 the rest it's like, yeah, that was fine. This is 2530 02:02:35.119 --> 02:02:36.319 the first time I've ever wanted to do a top 2531 02:02:36.359 --> 02:02:38.479 twenty list for Giant Bond the font so. 2532 02:02:38.560 --> 02:02:41.119 People can see all the games on here because people are. 2533 02:02:41.079 --> 02:02:44.039 Like, yeah, I'm struggling with that because it's going to. 2534 02:02:44.079 --> 02:02:44.640 Be tough to. 2535 02:02:46.239 --> 02:02:48.239 Yeah, maybe go half a size for now and then 2536 02:02:50.000 --> 02:02:57.039 uh I think it's on Dora. Yeah no, I'm scrolling. 2537 02:03:03.720 --> 02:03:06.760 I'm running out of funians. I'm worried. 2538 02:03:07.159 --> 02:03:08.079 Sixteen more cookies. 2539 02:03:11.760 --> 02:03:14.960 Oh my god, We're so blessed. Give her the crunchiest food. 2540 02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:18.239 I love it. It's the best thing I've ever Oh 2541 02:03:18.359 --> 02:03:21.760 my god, I can right here. I don't need to hear. 2542 02:03:22.600 --> 02:03:25.520 That's fine, it's not true. It's pretty small, but they're 2543 02:03:25.520 --> 02:03:27.560 all there. We do have twenty here. 2544 02:03:27.800 --> 02:03:31.560 I think that's probably a good place to start to start, 2545 02:03:31.720 --> 02:03:33.640 you know, chopping this. 2546 02:03:33.760 --> 02:03:34.359 Down a little. 2547 02:03:35.840 --> 02:03:39.399 I'll be realistic. Lego Party is probably gonna be in 2548 02:03:39.439 --> 02:03:39.960 my top ten. 2549 02:03:40.159 --> 02:03:41.640 Yeah, bless you for even trying. 2550 02:03:41.960 --> 02:03:44.239 No, I'm not even trying. I'm cutting it up literally 2551 02:03:44.359 --> 02:03:47.039 the first cut. Yeah, is that where we're doing. We're 2552 02:03:47.039 --> 02:03:49.880 trying to find ten to cut. We need, we need 2553 02:03:49.960 --> 02:03:52.640 to just cut. I know Lego Party is not gonna 2554 02:03:52.640 --> 02:03:52.800 make it. 2555 02:03:53.159 --> 02:03:56.439 Let us not make strong arguments for white here. We 2556 02:03:56.560 --> 02:03:57.439 know that's gonna make it. 2557 02:03:57.880 --> 02:04:00.560 Battlefield six, I've had some great times of that. I 2558 02:04:00.640 --> 02:04:03.439 think it is a really really strong course correction for 2559 02:04:03.520 --> 02:04:06.720 the series. I don't think I'm gonna get into the 2560 02:04:06.760 --> 02:04:09.520 top ten here as a group, but I've had tons 2561 02:04:09.560 --> 02:04:10.199 of fun with that game. 2562 02:04:10.279 --> 02:04:10.600 This year. 2563 02:04:12.279 --> 02:04:14.159 You've been sitting on the fence because you liked three 2564 02:04:14.239 --> 02:04:16.960 and four or even like Battlefield one and been wanting 2565 02:04:16.960 --> 02:04:20.439 to go back. This is the time all all offer 2566 02:04:20.520 --> 02:04:23.039 up Night Rain. That is a game that I played 2567 02:04:23.039 --> 02:04:24.960 the hell of, but the hell out of, but I 2568 02:04:25.000 --> 02:04:27.600 think it's just me. I'll offer up out Foxies because 2569 02:04:27.600 --> 02:04:28.159 it came out in like. 2570 02:04:29.279 --> 02:04:34.279 Two hang on, I don't not yet. I am very 2571 02:04:34.319 --> 02:04:36.800 impressed with what I saw of Ooh today and I 2572 02:04:36.920 --> 02:04:39.039 definitely want to play it. I just don't know in 2573 02:04:39.159 --> 02:04:41.680 such a stacked year if that's a realistic top ten, 2574 02:04:41.960 --> 02:04:44.960 especially when you know most not played it before today. 2575 02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:48.000 I would ask Jake because I recency bias and the 2576 02:04:48.079 --> 02:04:50.399 fact I've never played. I just watched Mary play it today, Like, 2577 02:04:50.479 --> 02:04:52.279 do you think you would? Do you think you would 2578 02:04:52.279 --> 02:04:54.119 have ammunition for it to be the top ten. I 2579 02:04:54.199 --> 02:04:56.239 think it's a brilliantly designed game. I don't think we 2580 02:04:56.319 --> 02:05:00.439 cut it yet, but I think it's probably like if 2581 02:05:00.479 --> 02:05:03.279 there's some impassioned arguments for other games, then I think 2582 02:05:03.359 --> 02:05:03.760 it's I. 2583 02:05:03.720 --> 02:05:06.880 Would like to hear an impassioned argument for DK Bonanza. 2584 02:05:06.960 --> 02:05:07.920 I'm not saying it's not good. 2585 02:05:09.439 --> 02:05:10.319 Yeah, let's hear it. 2586 02:05:12.119 --> 02:05:16.760 He's dressed like, yeah, I couldn't finish it because than. 2587 02:05:17.039 --> 02:05:19.399 You thought d K Banansa was boring. No, that's not 2588 02:05:19.479 --> 02:05:22.039 what he burnt out because you were trying to get 2589 02:05:22.079 --> 02:05:25.239 every single thing. Yeah, that's not that's not myself in 2590 02:05:25.479 --> 02:05:27.520 I got I got halfway through, and I was like, 2591 02:05:27.560 --> 02:05:28.720 I can't play this game anymore. 2592 02:05:30.159 --> 02:05:32.279 Oh, we got a Kayla my sister in the chat 2593 02:05:32.359 --> 02:05:35.159 saying she does not see Dynasty Warriors origins. Is that 2594 02:05:35.239 --> 02:05:39.039 a did we make a mistake? Sorry, I don't think Yeah, yeah, 2595 02:05:39.439 --> 02:05:40.920 we already locked it in. Yeah weird. 2596 02:05:43.600 --> 02:05:45.239 I didn't think we'd have to argue to get I 2597 02:05:45.279 --> 02:05:48.079 will say Bananza is definitely my top ten. 2598 02:05:48.159 --> 02:05:52.039 Yeah, it's definitely definitely in my top ten. Yes, I 2599 02:05:52.079 --> 02:05:53.920 don't think we need that. That's not on the cutting 2600 02:05:53.960 --> 02:05:56.840 board yet. Cutting board? Is that the free yes, chopping 2601 02:05:57.000 --> 02:06:01.359 chopping dropping block chef? Yeah sure, yeah yeah, if you're 2602 02:06:01.439 --> 02:06:07.760 making myself one, Yeah, this is gonna be tough. 2603 02:06:09.279 --> 02:06:15.319 Ooh uh peak. 2604 02:06:16.640 --> 02:06:20.039 I think that that has a lot of merit to 2605 02:06:20.119 --> 02:06:24.279 be on this top ten for how much work it 2606 02:06:24.399 --> 02:06:28.479 did this year in terms of games to play with friends, 2607 02:06:28.680 --> 02:06:31.199 I think it was one of this is for us. 2608 02:06:31.479 --> 02:06:33.399 I just want to say, like culturally, this is like 2609 02:06:33.720 --> 02:06:37.359 a very important game that was significant in terms of 2610 02:06:37.880 --> 02:06:42.479 sales consistent players, Like people played this game because it's funny, 2611 02:06:42.520 --> 02:06:44.960 it's entertaining, and it's goddamn good. And I played it 2612 02:06:45.720 --> 02:06:48.359 a lot. I played this almost every weekend for like 2613 02:06:48.399 --> 02:06:51.600 a couple of months. I'll fight for peak. 2614 02:06:51.760 --> 02:06:53.760 Let's do this the stuff we've crossed out, Let's go 2615 02:06:53.800 --> 02:06:55.920 ahead and move it down into another zone there and 2616 02:06:56.039 --> 02:07:00.600 get it off the even start section. Yeah, another area. 2617 02:07:03.199 --> 02:07:08.319 Man, after we do this, I would be curious to 2618 02:07:08.359 --> 02:07:11.800 hear everyone's like top three, because I think that's kind 2619 02:07:11.800 --> 02:07:15.159 of bad, wildly different. This is the least certain I've 2620 02:07:15.159 --> 02:07:18.359 been about my top five, like maybe since we started 2621 02:07:18.399 --> 02:07:22.159 doing the podcast. It's just gonna come down to who 2622 02:07:22.159 --> 02:07:25.319 I'm most annoyed with, and then it's joking. 2623 02:07:25.600 --> 02:07:29.840 I think Monster Trend two is a tremendously designed game. 2624 02:07:30.079 --> 02:07:32.800 I feel like no one here like is against it 2625 02:07:32.960 --> 02:07:37.039 or anything like that. But did who here like really 2626 02:07:37.159 --> 02:07:39.039 dove in and played a ton of it? Mike, Yeah, 2627 02:07:40.159 --> 02:07:43.239 and like every faction, I played maybe ten hours of it, 2628 02:07:43.399 --> 02:07:46.720 and I thought it was very very good. It thinks 2629 02:07:46.760 --> 02:07:48.399 I don't. I really don't like the art style of 2630 02:07:48.479 --> 02:07:51.119 that game. I don't either, Yeah, but it is a 2631 02:07:51.239 --> 02:07:54.960 very smart game, great game. It's one of my favorite 2632 02:07:55.039 --> 02:07:55.560 deck builders. 2633 02:07:55.600 --> 02:07:57.560 And I'm not even a deck builder person, but like 2634 02:07:57.640 --> 02:08:00.520 as a ROGUELI, as a deck builder, as a atagy game, 2635 02:08:00.880 --> 02:08:04.760 I think it's incredibly smart. I think it's it definitely is. 2636 02:08:05.479 --> 02:08:06.920 That's one of the games on this list I thought 2637 02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:12.960 the most about when I wasn't playing it. I the 2638 02:08:13.079 --> 02:08:15.039 knocks against it. I think they tried way too hard 2639 02:08:15.079 --> 02:08:17.279 to force story into it. There's like cut scenes between 2640 02:08:17.319 --> 02:08:18.920 the stuff, which I did not need. They did not 2641 02:08:19.000 --> 02:08:20.079 do in the first game. I don't know why they 2642 02:08:20.119 --> 02:08:22.199 felt they need to do that here, but I still 2643 02:08:22.920 --> 02:08:26.199 think that is absolutely Like, if you're that is a 2644 02:08:26.399 --> 02:08:31.720 much better what is the game Climbing the Tower that 2645 02:08:31.880 --> 02:08:36.000 they started that deck Builder roadblike genre Slay the Spire, 2646 02:08:36.079 --> 02:08:38.279 Slayest Spire, Thank you, I think it's it's a much 2647 02:08:38.359 --> 02:08:40.000 much better Slay the Spire. As much as I like 2648 02:08:40.159 --> 02:08:42.560 Slay the Spire, but I think that's the best version 2649 02:08:42.600 --> 02:08:44.479 of a Slayest Spire so far that I've played. 2650 02:08:47.800 --> 02:08:50.239 Do you think it makes top ten? It's very It's 2651 02:08:50.239 --> 02:08:54.520 definitely my top ten, But I mean the group how 2652 02:08:54.560 --> 02:08:55.720 big this list is right now? 2653 02:08:56.000 --> 02:08:58.600 Yeah, but I can't like I'm probably number two in 2654 02:08:58.720 --> 02:09:00.720 terms of liking it. I think it's stay in there, 2655 02:09:00.760 --> 02:09:02.760 but like I'm going to keep it in there. I 2656 02:09:02.840 --> 02:09:05.640 want to keep it in there just because like only 2657 02:09:05.760 --> 02:09:08.000 we played it's it's against. 2658 02:09:08.359 --> 02:09:11.920 I think like, we have to talk about the group here. 2659 02:09:12.520 --> 02:09:15.359 Not enough of us have played Metroid Prime for this 2660 02:09:15.479 --> 02:09:16.479 to be a hot contender. 2661 02:09:16.600 --> 02:09:19.680 I realized that, Yeah, I like Metroid Prime. 2662 02:09:19.880 --> 02:09:22.159 I haven't finished it, but it is my like number ten, 2663 02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:24.960 and I could see it moving up, but right now 2664 02:09:25.439 --> 02:09:27.439 having not right now it's in. 2665 02:09:27.479 --> 02:09:31.319 My top three. Oh wow, I mean I fucking love it. 2666 02:09:31.439 --> 02:09:33.279 I mean there's a chance that I made my number 2667 02:09:33.319 --> 02:09:35.399 one and I cut it. Yeah, I mean there's a 2668 02:09:35.479 --> 02:09:38.079 chance Prime for is my number one? Was your one wasn't? 2669 02:09:40.000 --> 02:09:41.840 I mean most days it is. But I mean yeah, 2670 02:09:42.079 --> 02:09:43.960 Like Jake, I feel like you're the one who's playing 2671 02:09:44.000 --> 02:09:46.239 it the most, Like you're actively playing it here. I 2672 02:09:46.319 --> 02:09:48.319 think it's very good. Like I'm super into it and 2673 02:09:48.399 --> 02:09:49.720 I cannot wait to play more. 2674 02:09:50.039 --> 02:09:53.520 In the interest of progress, can we put Monster Trained 2675 02:09:53.560 --> 02:09:56.920 two at like top runner up just so? I like, No, 2676 02:09:57.079 --> 02:09:58.720 I could potentially get it back in if I don't 2677 02:09:58.760 --> 02:10:02.479 hear better arguments on the line, because I really fucking 2678 02:10:02.520 --> 02:10:03.039 love that game. 2679 02:10:03.119 --> 02:10:03.600 But I don't think. 2680 02:10:03.640 --> 02:10:05.600 I don't see any others here that we're gonna obviously 2681 02:10:05.680 --> 02:10:06.600 cut as a group right now. 2682 02:10:06.720 --> 02:10:09.680 I want to argue something here as cool as elements 2683 02:10:09.720 --> 02:10:13.039 of Arc Raiders are wow is the game and stuff 2684 02:10:13.039 --> 02:10:15.800 because like as an extraction shooter. An extractor shooter. Again, 2685 02:10:15.800 --> 02:10:17.439 I'm not an expert in the genre, but it's all 2686 02:10:17.439 --> 02:10:19.840 about the loot and everything. Honestly, every time I get 2687 02:10:19.880 --> 02:10:21.720 back and I'm in the menus, I'm just looking at 2688 02:10:21.760 --> 02:10:24.720 four hundred wires and rubber parts and plastic parts, and 2689 02:10:24.760 --> 02:10:26.880 I'm just trying to like clear out my inventory and 2690 02:10:27.000 --> 02:10:30.560 fucking sell into one of five fucking different shopkeepers. 2691 02:10:30.840 --> 02:10:33.000 Like, I don't think the loot stuff is exciting at all. 2692 02:10:33.119 --> 02:10:34.760 You know what also is not that great? And this 2693 02:10:34.880 --> 02:10:39.439 third person shooter is the shooting that's fine. No, it's 2694 02:10:39.640 --> 02:10:44.600 not good. The drones and like hell divers or hell 2695 02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:47.520 divers too, Hell divers too, I think is we're talking about, 2696 02:10:47.520 --> 02:10:49.239 Like third person shooter became my bar. 2697 02:10:50.039 --> 02:10:52.239 I don't think the shooting is good in Arc Raiders 2698 02:10:52.319 --> 02:10:55.000 is good. I tolerate it because I love playing with 2699 02:10:55.039 --> 02:10:57.840 the people I'm playing with. I like it, but I 2700 02:10:57.960 --> 02:10:59.359 but I am with you in that. 2701 02:10:59.720 --> 02:11:01.840 Like my least favorite part of that game is when 2702 02:11:01.880 --> 02:11:03.680 I get back to base and I'm like, oh, my 2703 02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:05.880 inventory is full, and now I have to like but 2704 02:11:05.960 --> 02:11:08.720 that's extrac shures I would say, but like, going beyond that, 2705 02:11:08.800 --> 02:11:11.239 I would say, the UI here actually has numerous problems 2706 02:11:11.279 --> 02:11:13.720 where it's like not nearly that easy to be able 2707 02:11:13.800 --> 02:11:17.319 to junk stuff as a group things around and. 2708 02:11:17.359 --> 02:11:21.600 Remember and which fucking shopkeeper and everything. It's just like 2709 02:11:21.720 --> 02:11:23.880 it's a messy thing for a game that is so 2710 02:11:24.079 --> 02:11:27.359 much about your you know, the loot and what you have, 2711 02:11:27.520 --> 02:11:29.119 and we need to sell and we need a craft 2712 02:11:29.159 --> 02:11:31.720 and everything. It's like it's laborious to do any of that. 2713 02:11:32.119 --> 02:11:33.960 The way I've described this game though, is like the 2714 02:11:34.159 --> 02:11:37.760 highs are so fucking high and the lows are pretty low. 2715 02:11:37.880 --> 02:11:40.319 But like I think Battlefield is like, you know, it's consistent. 2716 02:11:40.439 --> 02:11:43.039 We already cut it, but it's a battlefield consistently fun. 2717 02:11:43.159 --> 02:11:46.279 But I've never been like like I don't remember anything 2718 02:11:46.279 --> 02:11:49.119 I've done in Battlefield, but I remember these moments and arc. 2719 02:11:49.119 --> 02:11:50.760 Raders more than I remember yeah, like. 2720 02:11:52.680 --> 02:11:56.279 Moments really extraction Shooter, and it has like evolved the 2721 02:11:56.399 --> 02:12:00.880 genre tremendously, and I think it's it is so important 2722 02:12:01.199 --> 02:12:04.920 to gaming when we're talking about like the evolution of 2723 02:12:04.960 --> 02:12:06.840 what we want games to be and like what they 2724 02:12:06.920 --> 02:12:10.520 can be, Like it is a very important game. I 2725 02:12:11.119 --> 02:12:13.279 think we have to like put that into account when 2726 02:12:13.319 --> 02:12:15.880 we're if we're reordering things, you can make it lower. 2727 02:12:16.439 --> 02:12:18.680 But I would put that above Death Stranding too. 2728 02:12:19.720 --> 02:12:27.479 Oh yeah, fuck yeah, I would one person that go 2729 02:12:27.520 --> 02:12:28.159 ahead and do it. 2730 02:12:28.800 --> 02:12:31.560 I played I think forty hours of that game. I 2731 02:12:31.760 --> 02:12:34.960 like that game quite a bit. I still think at 2732 02:12:35.039 --> 02:12:40.760 its heart it is a fine triple A open world 2733 02:12:40.840 --> 02:12:42.920 game with really cool tools, a. 2734 02:12:44.079 --> 02:12:46.479 Fine open world triple A game. It is like Horizon, 2735 02:12:46.640 --> 02:12:50.079 same engine. It's that boring game Death Stranding two. 2736 02:12:50.119 --> 02:12:54.319 Is I'm going, I'm sneaking around with mediocre stealth around 2737 02:12:54.319 --> 02:12:56.279 these bases, and then when like it opens up, it's 2738 02:12:56.439 --> 02:12:59.199 fine shooting over the shoulder. And then I'm like, there's 2739 02:12:59.279 --> 02:13:01.960 really cool tools. They clearly had a lot of good 2740 02:13:02.079 --> 02:13:06.920 micro ideas, but overall, like you're immediately getting like I 2741 02:13:07.439 --> 02:13:12.760 immediately felt like I Horizon Forbidden West's outposts. It's so 2742 02:13:13.000 --> 02:13:14.760 much more interesting than Horizon's ever been. 2743 02:13:15.479 --> 02:13:18.560 Yeah, but I'm also doing the like Calculus now of Like, Okay, 2744 02:13:18.720 --> 02:13:20.920 I fucking loved us Training too. It's high up on 2745 02:13:20.960 --> 02:13:23.520 my list. I don't feel like any of you love 2746 02:13:23.600 --> 02:13:25.680 this game. Nobody here beat it, so I. 2747 02:13:26.000 --> 02:13:31.479 Like it a lot. It's almost, But. 2748 02:13:32.600 --> 02:13:35.560 I just I'm wondering how realistic it is for me to. 2749 02:13:35.560 --> 02:13:39.399 Get it on time. Guys' you've you've read my brilliant 2750 02:13:39.920 --> 02:13:43.039 thesis about my turnaround with director's cut for the first game. 2751 02:13:43.479 --> 02:13:50.800 Yes for two it I genuinely don't feel like anybody. 2752 02:13:50.960 --> 02:13:54.159 Kojima himself was like thinking does this actually fit in 2753 02:13:54.239 --> 02:13:57.319 this game? And we can stand him all day. I 2754 02:13:57.520 --> 02:14:00.600 love his ship. Some of my favorite games time Medle 2755 02:14:00.640 --> 02:14:03.960 Gear Solid three included are came from his mind. Like 2756 02:14:04.079 --> 02:14:06.880 I love so many things this guy has done, but 2757 02:14:07.039 --> 02:14:10.399 like it only like Dan, you mentioned gimmicks all the time, 2758 02:14:10.520 --> 02:14:14.000 this game is just a collection of like hundreds of gimmicks. 2759 02:14:14.199 --> 02:14:19.039 I love gimmicks. I know, I don't want to very clear, 2760 02:14:19.159 --> 02:14:19.399 and I. 2761 02:14:19.600 --> 02:14:23.479 Like it's it's so I if my problem is I 2762 02:14:23.600 --> 02:14:26.479 think if any other studio tried to, like have this 2763 02:14:26.720 --> 02:14:29.600 doll that was doing around synchronized swimming and water, we'd 2764 02:14:29.640 --> 02:14:31.479 be like, this is fucking stupid, it doesn't make sense. 2765 02:14:31.520 --> 02:14:35.000 But because his kogim, we like, I love this, it's 2766 02:14:35.079 --> 02:14:37.880 the best thing. Like this game's real good, but it 2767 02:14:37.960 --> 02:14:39.319 fits in that world. I mean, if. 2768 02:14:41.760 --> 02:14:43.359 I really don't think it fits in this world, I 2769 02:14:43.399 --> 02:14:45.359 don't think. I don't think this world has an identity. 2770 02:14:45.399 --> 02:14:50.279 I think the first game had a clear, cogent, mysterious, 2771 02:14:50.600 --> 02:14:52.079 powerful identity. 2772 02:14:52.079 --> 02:14:53.800 And two is just a collection. 2773 02:14:53.920 --> 02:14:56.720 It's it feels like the whiteboard in the first pre 2774 02:14:56.800 --> 02:14:59.720 production meeting and they're like, great, now go make this. 2775 02:15:00.319 --> 02:15:01.680 God, I feel like two is better than one in 2776 02:15:01.800 --> 02:15:02.800 every conceivable way. 2777 02:15:02.960 --> 02:15:04.039 That's that. 2778 02:15:07.000 --> 02:15:10.920 Bananas, that's it's every what possible thing is better in 2779 02:15:11.000 --> 02:15:11.520 one than two. 2780 02:15:12.239 --> 02:15:16.039 It feels like like an actual game that people got 2781 02:15:16.079 --> 02:15:21.119 together to make that made sense in any way. Stranding 2782 02:15:21.520 --> 02:15:24.560 first game compared to two. I'm gonna strive running a coffin, 2783 02:15:24.640 --> 02:15:27.239 and then I'm gonna fucking dip people into tar, and 2784 02:15:27.359 --> 02:15:29.319 then I'm gonna use a rocket launcher. Have you played 2785 02:15:29.359 --> 02:15:32.039 Death Straanding one? Yes, I've played it a lot, and 2786 02:15:32.119 --> 02:15:35.680 it has way more fucking like, actual purposeful design behind it. 2787 02:15:36.239 --> 02:15:39.680 There's pacing to it. It's not just automatically, dude, Like 2788 02:15:39.880 --> 02:15:43.199 I swear to god, if you put Horizon Forbidden West 2789 02:15:43.319 --> 02:15:46.680 up against Death Stranding two, the actual things you're doing 2790 02:15:47.000 --> 02:15:48.039 are exactly the same. 2791 02:15:48.119 --> 02:15:49.279 You're just using different. 2792 02:15:49.000 --> 02:15:49.680 Tools to do it. 2793 02:15:50.760 --> 02:15:56.479 Wow, I agree, That's what I'm saying. Like I could 2794 02:15:56.560 --> 02:15:58.079 go into a whole thing, but I don't think it's 2795 02:15:58.119 --> 02:16:00.079 worth it, because I I don't think there's anything I 2796 02:16:00.079 --> 02:16:01.159 could possibly say right now. 2797 02:16:02.720 --> 02:16:05.239 Des Straining one twice. The first time I didn't love it, 2798 02:16:05.560 --> 02:16:07.199 but I still played through it. The second time, I 2799 02:16:07.520 --> 02:16:10.560 really enjoyed it. And I think it's because I bought 2800 02:16:10.720 --> 02:16:14.800 into that vision in a way that kind of surprised me, 2801 02:16:15.079 --> 02:16:19.000 because I felt like there was a cohesive direction this 2802 02:16:19.119 --> 02:16:21.920 game was going, and two is just like, Okay, it 2803 02:16:22.039 --> 02:16:23.840 just turns into an open world game where I'm like, 2804 02:16:24.039 --> 02:16:27.000 except I'm carrying a bunch of boxes and I'm shooting people, 2805 02:16:27.159 --> 02:16:29.239 you know, Like, I feel like it lost some of 2806 02:16:29.319 --> 02:16:31.840 the thing that made Death Straining two unique and like 2807 02:16:31.960 --> 02:16:36.719 the one Destraining one unique, and I think, like speaking 2808 02:16:36.879 --> 02:16:40.319 on Kajima, being like, well, people liked the preview too much, 2809 02:16:40.360 --> 02:16:44.159 so I gotta make it bad now. Straining one felt 2810 02:16:44.200 --> 02:16:44.520 like it was. 2811 02:16:48.000 --> 02:16:51.959 Des Straining one where it was very like divisive, and 2812 02:16:52.079 --> 02:16:56.799 Destrating two felt like he like, like that felt very fake. 2813 02:16:56.879 --> 02:16:58.959 It was like, Okay, well, too many people like it. 2814 02:16:59.200 --> 02:17:02.920 So my boy Nicholas winning refin half his moves fucking sucks. 2815 02:17:02.959 --> 02:17:06.760 So I want more than pretty drive, right, Yeah, I 2816 02:17:06.959 --> 02:17:12.440 like Pusher Trilogy in Valhalla, but like, I really do 2817 02:17:12.760 --> 02:17:13.719 like that game again. 2818 02:17:13.760 --> 02:17:15.719 I I it's almost like a number ten for me. 2819 02:17:16.319 --> 02:17:19.000 But it's right on the cusp. I don't look. I 2820 02:17:19.040 --> 02:17:21.239 don't think it's making our top ten. I'm not willing 2821 02:17:21.360 --> 02:17:22.319 to have it to be cut yet. 2822 02:17:23.879 --> 02:17:26.120 I think two of us have had any passionate argument 2823 02:17:26.159 --> 02:17:27.959 against it. I don't think Mary's gonna fight for it. 2824 02:17:28.520 --> 02:17:28.879 You don't know. 2825 02:17:29.360 --> 02:17:34.440 Moving on. I think it should be below Monster Hunter 2826 02:17:34.639 --> 02:17:36.559 Monster Train too, and I think we just see how 2827 02:17:36.600 --> 02:17:37.079 we feel. 2828 02:17:37.360 --> 02:17:39.319 Can we test the little alt shift up? Down? 2829 02:17:39.520 --> 02:17:41.959 Does that work down yet? Down? 2830 02:17:42.760 --> 02:17:42.879 Oh? 2831 02:17:43.680 --> 02:17:46.000 That's a good set, and then put it up? 2832 02:17:46.079 --> 02:17:46.280 Yeah? 2833 02:17:46.719 --> 02:17:48.040 No no no no no no no no no no 2834 02:17:48.120 --> 02:17:50.879 no no no not yet, not yet, not yet, not yet. 2835 02:17:52.159 --> 02:17:52.559 Mm hmm. 2836 02:17:58.440 --> 02:18:03.079 Let me ask this, Jake, where would generally Oh be 2837 02:18:03.200 --> 02:18:11.360 on your top ten? Pretty well, it's both destining for sure. 2838 02:18:11.680 --> 02:18:14.239 I know is pretty high on mine. 2839 02:18:14.280 --> 02:18:17.280 Yeah, yeah, you got there fifteen and I think that's fair. 2840 02:18:18.000 --> 02:18:20.959 I'm destrating two is pretty high on mine. Mike likes 2841 02:18:21.000 --> 02:18:23.840 it a decent amount. I think Ooh seems very cool. 2842 02:18:24.280 --> 02:18:25.040 I like what I've seen. 2843 02:18:25.079 --> 02:18:27.760 I want to play it, but what I saw of 2844 02:18:27.879 --> 02:18:31.319 Oo today felt like more of a more of a 2845 02:18:31.440 --> 02:18:33.479 well designed game than Destraating. 2846 02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:35.840 Two, which I like despite it. 2847 02:18:38.440 --> 02:18:42.799 Write a review about Destraating Two directors and it's sick 2848 02:18:43.399 --> 02:18:46.360 and then way back and will annoy Mary by saying 2849 02:18:46.360 --> 02:18:47.840 it was the best game that came out that year. 2850 02:18:49.399 --> 02:18:50.520 It'll get its time. 2851 02:18:50.600 --> 02:18:53.040 The Sun Silent Hell f Jake, I asked you if 2852 02:18:53.040 --> 02:18:55.280 I should play that, and you told me that it's great. 2853 02:18:55.319 --> 02:18:58.680 But the gameplay itself sucks. The gameplay is not great, 2854 02:18:58.840 --> 02:19:01.879 like that is something that it's hard to get around. 2855 02:19:02.040 --> 02:19:04.479 And I've heard arguments like, oh, it's intentional, you know, 2856 02:19:04.680 --> 02:19:07.600 like gameplay is bad for reason, you know, and. 2857 02:19:10.479 --> 02:19:13.399 I got to play that ship. Silent Hill fans are 2858 02:19:13.719 --> 02:19:14.280 something else. 2859 02:19:14.559 --> 02:19:16.639 Oh yeah, they are to be fair, and I'm sure 2860 02:19:17.319 --> 02:19:19.319 I'm sure there's some in the chat and they're not happy. 2861 02:19:19.399 --> 02:19:25.079 But like I, I do think the story, the themes, 2862 02:19:25.360 --> 02:19:30.239 the direction, all that really elevates that game, like so 2863 02:19:30.600 --> 02:19:35.639 far beyond its gameplay. And I don't think the gameplay 2864 02:19:35.680 --> 02:19:38.399 is terrible, like it's it's not awful, it's not unplayable, 2865 02:19:38.799 --> 02:19:44.079 but it is not like it you want to say 2866 02:19:44.120 --> 02:19:46.239 you played it too. Don't put this all on me. 2867 02:19:47.079 --> 02:19:50.159 I actually think the gameplay is pretty pretty good, and 2868 02:19:50.280 --> 02:19:56.000 I've been I enjoyed the puzzle design and that is 2869 02:19:56.120 --> 02:19:59.600 quite good. I think it puts you in these tremendously 2870 02:19:59.719 --> 02:20:04.319 terrify find situations. And you know, we're at this point 2871 02:20:04.479 --> 02:20:06.319 we have to start putting it on a list, right, 2872 02:20:06.399 --> 02:20:08.399 like how high is it? And I think it's too high? 2873 02:20:10.239 --> 02:20:12.120 Yeah, we kind of finessing a little. 2874 02:20:12.559 --> 02:20:14.120 What I would like us to start thinking about is 2875 02:20:14.159 --> 02:20:16.719 what's in your top ten? Right Like Donkey Kong Bananza 2876 02:20:16.760 --> 02:20:19.840 is not in our top ten, I would well get 2877 02:20:19.959 --> 02:20:20.280 used to it. 2878 02:20:22.000 --> 02:20:29.319 Donkey Cong Bananza absolutely deserves to be in our tops, like, no, 2879 02:20:32.280 --> 02:20:33.200 my top four games. 2880 02:20:33.520 --> 02:20:38.600 We're doing this is what we're talking Bananza like six spaces. 2881 02:20:39.559 --> 02:20:41.440 I think it's above our creators. 2882 02:20:41.680 --> 02:20:44.079 Yes, yes, of course, I think that's fair. 2883 02:20:46.000 --> 02:20:49.000 Yeah, you're so measured. You're measured, and. 2884 02:20:49.079 --> 02:20:51.520 I think Silent Hill. But but are we pushing out 2885 02:20:51.639 --> 02:20:53.840 Megabank or Sectory there. 2886 02:20:54.600 --> 02:20:55.559 We talked about it. 2887 02:20:55.600 --> 02:20:57.280 We're just trying to trim it down and then we're 2888 02:20:57.319 --> 02:20:58.000 gonna rank. 2889 02:20:58.159 --> 02:20:59.879 I'm just talking about moving ship around. 2890 02:21:04.399 --> 02:21:06.280 Okay, Okay, that's what I was asking. I didn't I 2891 02:21:06.319 --> 02:21:07.200 don't have any strong. 2892 02:21:07.079 --> 02:21:10.440 I think Ghost of Yota has to be talked about. 2893 02:21:12.200 --> 02:21:14.559 Is gonna be very high I think I think is 2894 02:21:14.600 --> 02:21:16.920 one of the best games that came out this year. Like, uh, 2895 02:21:17.079 --> 02:21:18.520 do you want to talk about it now or I 2896 02:21:19.239 --> 02:21:19.760 I'm I. 2897 02:21:19.799 --> 02:21:22.159 Think there's gonna be a conversation about Yota later. I 2898 02:21:22.239 --> 02:21:25.639 think for Surete will be like high up on our list. 2899 02:21:25.920 --> 02:21:27.520 I don't think we need to I think now we 2900 02:21:27.600 --> 02:21:29.239 need to focus on the ones that might be on 2901 02:21:29.319 --> 02:21:29.680 the bubble. 2902 02:21:30.159 --> 02:21:32.079 That's what is not that. 2903 02:21:32.360 --> 02:21:36.280 I don't think Okay, Shanobi is on the bubble. Second 2904 02:21:36.479 --> 02:21:37.760 Sectory is on the bubble. 2905 02:21:38.399 --> 02:21:41.879 Sectory. I will say, I think Sectory is a great game, 2906 02:21:42.040 --> 02:21:46.479 well crafted. I love a lot what they're doing, combining 2907 02:21:46.639 --> 02:21:51.319 that like Geometry Wars with Vampire Survivors with just generally 2908 02:21:51.559 --> 02:21:52.680 like that Tetris effect. 2909 02:21:53.879 --> 02:21:55.840 You don't really see the I've heard several people bring 2910 02:21:55.920 --> 02:21:56.639 U vampires vivers. 2911 02:21:56.639 --> 02:21:58.479 I don't really see that just because you're you're killing 2912 02:21:58.600 --> 02:22:02.520 enemies and you're collecting the Yeah. Yeah, I'm not saying 2913 02:22:02.520 --> 02:22:05.760 it's heavily inspired. I'm just saying it's a I mean, 2914 02:22:05.760 --> 02:22:10.479 it's correct. Yeah, but I guess oh Ship, sorry, one 2915 02:22:10.600 --> 02:22:14.799 game that's not on here, Well, I guess ball x Pit. 2916 02:22:15.079 --> 02:22:17.799 Is anybody gonna also? I really that was one of 2917 02:22:17.840 --> 02:22:18.760 the first year I. 2918 02:22:18.920 --> 02:22:20.879 Think it's good, but I actually would fight for Sectory 2919 02:22:20.959 --> 02:22:24.079 or Megabonk. And we're getting to the point where like 2920 02:22:24.239 --> 02:22:27.079 it's not gonna get it. I don't think it's gonna 2921 02:22:27.079 --> 02:22:28.319 make It has too. 2922 02:22:28.200 --> 02:22:30.719 Many big flaws. I think the building to cut it. 2923 02:22:30.879 --> 02:22:34.280 But I don't feel was in my top five to. 2924 02:22:34.799 --> 02:22:36.680 But but if you were to ask me, like which 2925 02:22:36.680 --> 02:22:38.559 one should hit in the top ten, I would I 2926 02:22:38.559 --> 02:22:40.479 would fight for Sectoria, megabunk more. 2927 02:22:40.920 --> 02:22:44.959 I think recency bias, I think I think. I think 2928 02:22:45.120 --> 02:22:48.639 recency bias is heavily affecting Sectory. I agree to I 2929 02:22:48.680 --> 02:22:50.840 don't think we're gonna talk about Sectory. 2930 02:22:50.559 --> 02:22:53.200 In six months. At the moment, I don't know. I 2931 02:22:53.239 --> 02:22:53.760 don't think. 2932 02:22:55.520 --> 02:22:58.600 Is that game is such recency bias. I think it's great. 2933 02:22:58.600 --> 02:23:01.200 I think it's well made. I think it's visually stunning, 2934 02:23:01.399 --> 02:23:05.600 But I truly don't see all Like all of house 2935 02:23:05.680 --> 02:23:08.559 Mark's games, I think the best house Mark game that 2936 02:23:08.600 --> 02:23:11.799 I've ever played was probably what was their second game. 2937 02:23:16.079 --> 02:23:16.959 Awesome is Sick. 2938 02:23:17.639 --> 02:23:19.440 I would like to make a case for why Peaks 2939 02:23:19.440 --> 02:23:20.319 should be in our top ten. 2940 02:23:20.959 --> 02:23:23.600 I think I'm not against top ten. 2941 02:23:23.639 --> 02:23:25.680 I think Peaks should be in top ten and Sectory 2942 02:23:25.760 --> 02:23:26.239 should be out. 2943 02:23:26.360 --> 02:23:27.280 I'm fine with sure. 2944 02:23:27.319 --> 02:23:29.120 Okay, Well, I was gonna say, if we're going to 2945 02:23:29.200 --> 02:23:33.479 cut Sectory because of like recently, I think is the shot. 2946 02:23:33.719 --> 02:23:36.680 Well, who was on fifteen? Babe, Like, it's already over 2947 02:23:36.799 --> 02:23:39.440 for you, but it's not out yet. No, no, no, no, no, no, 2948 02:23:39.920 --> 02:23:42.799 you're this is false, hope. Anything that's not in top 2949 02:23:42.879 --> 02:23:44.159 ten is basically out. 2950 02:23:44.639 --> 02:23:46.399 Because we haven't ordered it. We just got to cut 2951 02:23:46.399 --> 02:23:47.319 it down in ten and then we. 2952 02:23:47.360 --> 02:23:52.120 Are No, girl, it's over. Who's over? I understand what 2953 02:23:52.159 --> 02:23:55.040 you're saying, but like, no, keep We're We're at the 2954 02:23:55.120 --> 02:23:57.799 point where we're like fine tuning. What's a bubble for 2955 02:23:57.920 --> 02:24:03.120 top ten? We're bubbling top ten, and I'm saying we 2956 02:24:03.239 --> 02:24:07.440 should be switching. Okay, Peak in Sectory. 2957 02:24:09.719 --> 02:24:13.280 Brandy Pittford gave me this Shock List winner of this year, 2958 02:24:13.600 --> 02:24:17.639 super do like a half one for me. 2959 02:24:17.840 --> 02:24:20.799 I gotta get up earlier than anybody. Thank you. 2960 02:24:21.559 --> 02:24:23.440 Mike Manadi. I know you're watching all these great time 2961 02:24:23.479 --> 02:24:24.159 bomb shot classes. 2962 02:24:24.200 --> 02:24:24.639 We used to have. 2963 02:24:28.040 --> 02:24:29.120 Heard he hates smugs. 2964 02:24:29.360 --> 02:24:31.840 He well, no, he's turned around the mugs, shotglasses are next. 2965 02:24:31.959 --> 02:24:34.200 I just don't see us cutting many things from the 2966 02:24:34.239 --> 02:24:36.600 top ten outside of Arc Raiders right now. I think 2967 02:24:36.639 --> 02:24:38.479 that game is awesome, but I really don't know that. 2968 02:24:38.719 --> 02:24:42.840 In Shnobi, I would cut our graders before Shanobi. Wow, 2969 02:24:43.639 --> 02:24:45.799 all right, I'd cut them both. Just do you want 2970 02:24:45.799 --> 02:24:46.360 to swap those? 2971 02:24:47.639 --> 02:24:47.959 All right? 2972 02:24:49.440 --> 02:24:51.840 No, not swap those. Put Peak in Arc Raiders spot. 2973 02:24:52.120 --> 02:24:54.399 I would put Peak in our grader's spot because I'm 2974 02:24:54.440 --> 02:24:55.159 a psychopath. 2975 02:24:55.399 --> 02:24:57.959 It okay, cheersing, yep, all right, let's get down to it. 2976 02:24:59.799 --> 02:25:11.079 Wait up in like five hours. Okay, oh, Monster Trento 2977 02:25:11.120 --> 02:25:11.520 gonna make it. 2978 02:25:12.639 --> 02:25:14.120 Maybe we're passive, just keep that. 2979 02:25:14.239 --> 02:25:17.479 Yeah we're not. We're there my mind. 2980 02:25:17.719 --> 02:25:20.920 These below are just like potential, like ammunition to. 2981 02:25:21.319 --> 02:25:23.840 Only pay attention to top ten. If you're not going 2982 02:25:23.920 --> 02:25:25.280 to fight tooth and nail for it to be in 2983 02:25:25.319 --> 02:25:30.040 the top ten, you're you're wasting air. If you're not 2984 02:25:30.200 --> 02:25:33.280 saying right now, Metroid Prime four has to be in 2985 02:25:33.319 --> 02:25:34.920 the top ten, it's better than Shnoby. 2986 02:25:37.280 --> 02:25:39.120 But that's like, that's where we're at. I got moved 2987 02:25:39.120 --> 02:25:40.680 out because none of us have played it. Really, but 2988 02:25:40.760 --> 02:25:44.280 that's not you that can supersede us. 2989 02:25:44.879 --> 02:25:46.239 I know, make the argument I. 2990 02:25:46.200 --> 02:25:48.280 Would put Metroid over Sho me too. Yeah, and I 2991 02:25:48.440 --> 02:25:52.079 fucking love Shnoby. That's Metro Prime four number ten right now. 2992 02:25:52.239 --> 02:25:55.520 I like Shnoby, but I haven't played Metroid, but like 2993 02:25:55.680 --> 02:25:58.280 I really like Shnoby's I don't. I don't like this. 2994 02:25:58.680 --> 02:26:01.319 I played them both extensive, beat both of them, like 2995 02:26:01.440 --> 02:26:04.440 near one hundred percent completion. I do think Metrod Prime 2996 02:26:04.479 --> 02:26:05.719 four is significantly better. 2997 02:26:06.760 --> 02:26:09.559 Taking a photo, make sure there's no Shenanigans volunteering, because I. 2998 02:26:09.760 --> 02:26:14.920 M Snowby's like might be like six or seven for 2999 02:26:15.040 --> 02:26:17.959 I'm cutting Metric, I'm cutting a monster train. I don't 3000 02:26:17.959 --> 02:26:28.799 think it's okay, bag Baby God dest Raining and Metrid 3001 02:26:28.840 --> 02:26:29.239 Prime four. 3002 02:26:29.520 --> 02:26:29.840 It's just. 3003 02:26:31.520 --> 02:26:35.600 M I'd fight for Metroid Prime four. I think it's 3004 02:26:35.600 --> 02:26:37.799 a losing battle for me with Death Training two. I 3005 02:26:37.920 --> 02:26:39.840 just don't think I'm gonna it's over. I don't think 3006 02:26:39.840 --> 02:26:45.159 it's doable. I'll be realistic. I yeah, you can get it. 3007 02:26:46.239 --> 02:26:50.479 It's like making it sound like it's a sacrifice. It's 3008 02:26:50.520 --> 02:26:51.319 already dead. 3009 02:26:52.079 --> 02:26:55.040 Yes, I'm just I'm just being realistic. Yeah, it's not 3010 02:26:55.159 --> 02:26:55.639 gonna make. 3011 02:26:55.559 --> 02:26:59.440 It great, thank you. I think Schnoby. I think it's 3012 02:26:59.680 --> 02:27:04.120 a Shnobi is still in. I'm a little bombed to 3013 02:27:04.280 --> 02:27:06.040 lose Shob. I loved it. 3014 02:27:06.159 --> 02:27:07.559 I don't necessarily want to lose it yet. 3015 02:27:08.680 --> 02:27:10.399 Yeah, but you're fighting for Metroid above it. 3016 02:27:11.319 --> 02:27:13.920 Yeah. Oh but that wouldn't as we were saying, that 3017 02:27:13.920 --> 02:27:16.120 would knock it down. Well, I don't think is gonna 3018 02:27:16.120 --> 02:27:17.600 make it. It's not I don't. 3019 02:27:17.920 --> 02:27:21.239 It's not like it's awesome. I played a little bit, 3020 02:27:22.079 --> 02:27:23.159 so we only have to cut one. 3021 02:27:23.959 --> 02:27:26.559 Oh my, there's my any thoughts. 3022 02:27:27.319 --> 02:27:31.360 No, never Okay, there's games like I'll die over, and 3023 02:27:31.479 --> 02:27:36.079 there's games that I'm okay with, But I am apprehensive 3024 02:27:36.200 --> 02:27:39.040 to make any glaring changes. At this point, I actually 3025 02:27:39.079 --> 02:27:39.639 think we have it. 3026 02:27:39.840 --> 02:27:41.479 I mean, I don't really care about Silent Hill. Do 3027 02:27:41.479 --> 02:27:48.000 you want to cut it? Cute? No? 3028 02:27:48.360 --> 02:27:50.799 I think Silent Hill f is really important and I 3029 02:27:50.879 --> 02:27:53.079 think it's where it belongs. I don't think it's going on. 3030 02:27:53.239 --> 02:27:54.719 It's fun to play. It's all just trying to be 3031 02:27:55.000 --> 02:27:57.399 deep in whatever. It just seems boreal. If that was 3032 02:27:57.440 --> 02:27:58.920 the case, it would have been it would have won 3033 02:27:59.040 --> 02:28:02.680 up its own ass. But it didn't. Probably good whatever. 3034 02:28:02.920 --> 02:28:06.159 Five Metroid Prime is hanging on by a thread. I 3035 02:28:06.200 --> 02:28:08.760 actually really like the Metroid series, and I'm looking forward 3036 02:28:08.760 --> 02:28:11.000 to playing this, and I've heard things that are really 3037 02:28:11.040 --> 02:28:14.040 good about it, really mixed things. 3038 02:28:13.879 --> 02:28:18.680 About it, so it's I mean, I've already played more 3039 02:28:18.719 --> 02:28:21.159 Metroid Prime than I did Shnoby. Not that I didn't 3040 02:28:21.239 --> 02:28:25.600 like Shnoby, but I just was like school. But there's 3041 02:28:25.600 --> 02:28:30.319 also some like I don't know, I love Metroid Yeah, 3042 02:28:30.319 --> 02:28:30.879 I think. 3043 02:28:30.799 --> 02:28:34.639 Some Again I said earlier, the environments in Shnoby are 3044 02:28:34.760 --> 02:28:36.719 just some of them are uninspired. Some of them are awesome. 3045 02:28:36.719 --> 02:28:39.680 There's like that city with all the like Sega retro 3046 02:28:40.319 --> 02:28:43.239 dreamcasts and shit everywhere, but like, ah, some of the 3047 02:28:43.319 --> 02:28:45.639 level design didn't really do it for me. The combat 3048 02:28:45.959 --> 02:28:48.280 is stellar, It's like some of the best two D 3049 02:28:48.520 --> 02:28:52.159 combat ever. But some of the environments, I'd say, actually 3050 02:28:52.200 --> 02:28:59.559 most environments, yeah, kind of wrote I could I could 3051 02:28:59.639 --> 02:29:01.840 see I I'd rather see silent. He'll get knocked off. 3052 02:29:01.879 --> 02:29:05.319 But if I need to be a hero, I would 3053 02:29:05.440 --> 02:29:09.680 I would sacrifice Shnoby. What do you think, Mike to 3054 02:29:09.799 --> 02:29:10.879 put Metro Prime at ten? 3055 02:29:10.959 --> 02:29:11.040 Right? 3056 02:29:11.120 --> 02:29:13.079 I mean, we need to one and then we can 3057 02:29:13.120 --> 02:29:15.840 figure out orders wants to make a strong choice. 3058 02:29:16.680 --> 02:29:19.639 I would prefer but I didn't play. I don't think 3059 02:29:19.680 --> 02:29:20.000 I have a. 3060 02:29:20.040 --> 02:29:21.319 Call here in this eleven. 3061 02:29:21.479 --> 02:29:30.559 I've got like, like six I feel extremely strong about, 3062 02:29:30.719 --> 02:29:33.799 so I'm I don't know that I weigh in on 3063 02:29:33.959 --> 02:29:37.559 like the ten eleven if it's between Shnoby or I 3064 02:29:37.719 --> 02:29:42.479 like Schanoby a lot, but not enough to I feel. 3065 02:29:42.360 --> 02:29:44.559 Very strongly about ten of these eleven. 3066 02:29:45.879 --> 02:29:46.360 To judge. 3067 02:29:47.440 --> 02:29:53.760 Oh god, fuck, uh Shnoby's getting cut. 3068 02:29:54.559 --> 02:29:55.879 Wow, that hurts. 3069 02:29:55.959 --> 02:29:56.399 That hurts. 3070 02:29:57.719 --> 02:29:58.159 I love it. 3071 02:29:59.040 --> 02:30:01.159 It punched above. It's wait. I mean, it wasn't ever 3072 02:30:01.280 --> 02:30:03.360 the biggest franchise or anything, and then it came out. 3073 02:30:03.360 --> 02:30:05.399 It's like a holy good for doing well. 3074 02:30:05.479 --> 02:30:07.280 And I don't even really care about the old Chenobey games. 3075 02:30:07.280 --> 02:30:08.879 I never had him on Genesis. It's like this one 3076 02:30:09.000 --> 02:30:11.959 was so fucking good it was undeniable. But yeah, that's 3077 02:30:11.959 --> 02:30:13.680 a tough year. I think we have a perfect top 3078 02:30:13.760 --> 02:30:14.440 ten already. 3079 02:30:15.000 --> 02:30:16.840 You don't say crazy things yet. 3080 02:30:17.079 --> 02:30:19.680 Look at this, it's already perfect. We have some things 3081 02:30:19.719 --> 02:30:20.120 to move. 3082 02:30:20.239 --> 02:30:22.079 Oh no, it's not perfect. Actually I just saw here 3083 02:30:22.120 --> 02:30:25.719 that I I mean, what'll stand for having just you know, 3084 02:30:26.000 --> 02:30:28.159 made the rolling to cut Schenobi. I think Metroid's good 3085 02:30:28.159 --> 02:30:29.879 at ten. I don't think we put it up. I 3086 02:30:29.920 --> 02:30:33.319 think we honestly happy to get it on there. You 3087 02:30:33.360 --> 02:30:35.000 feel strong enough about it. I feel like it's a 3088 02:30:35.040 --> 02:30:37.319 Prime ten because we haven't played it, But like Prime, 3089 02:30:38.200 --> 02:30:40.559 I like what I've played. It's very high on your list. 3090 02:30:41.360 --> 02:30:41.600 I think. 3091 02:30:41.719 --> 02:30:44.319 I think Ken say, I think that's as far as 3092 02:30:44.440 --> 02:30:44.799 she goes. 3093 02:30:45.159 --> 02:30:47.280 You know what. I would be happy for that and 3094 02:30:47.520 --> 02:30:49.879 blathering us up with Whiskey to get his games in. 3095 02:30:53.280 --> 02:30:55.760 I think not to go for the jugular, but Blueprints 3096 02:30:55.799 --> 02:30:57.879 can get knocked down. It will get knocked I don't 3097 02:30:57.879 --> 02:30:59.559 Blueprints is not gonna be our game of the year. 3098 02:31:00.000 --> 02:31:02.600 Wow, why don't we stop at the other end of 3099 02:31:02.680 --> 02:31:06.000 the spectrum. I think megabonk is where it should. 3100 02:31:05.799 --> 02:31:12.440 Be same, same, maybe above Silent Hill. Oh I see, Okay, Dan, 3101 02:31:12.520 --> 02:31:15.159 I want to point out something. Yeah, you're we just 3102 02:31:15.239 --> 02:31:17.479 got a game that only you have really played onto 3103 02:31:17.559 --> 02:31:18.120 number ten for me? 3104 02:31:18.840 --> 02:31:20.000 Yeah, why don't you shut the fuck up? 3105 02:31:20.079 --> 02:31:22.159 Those who have played Silent Hill left and they've given 3106 02:31:22.280 --> 02:31:23.399 passionate arguments for it. 3107 02:31:23.639 --> 02:31:25.879 I know I'm just being a stinker. It's a one 3108 02:31:25.920 --> 02:31:27.319 game on here I haven't played, and I don't care 3109 02:31:27.319 --> 02:31:33.680 about I can tell what is like the most egregious 3110 02:31:33.760 --> 02:31:35.879 ranking here to like each of us right now. I mean, 3111 02:31:35.879 --> 02:31:37.280 obviously Blueprints is number one. 3112 02:31:37.600 --> 02:31:40.360 I can see a case for Blueprints is number one, 3113 02:31:40.399 --> 02:31:41.799 and I'm not going to, like fight tooth and nail 3114 02:31:41.920 --> 02:31:43.479 keep it at number one over other things, so I'm 3115 02:31:43.479 --> 02:31:44.280 gonna save ammunition. 3116 02:31:44.319 --> 02:31:45.920 I think Mega Bonk should be above Peak. 3117 02:31:47.799 --> 02:31:51.360 I don't think that's the case. I think Mega Bonk 3118 02:31:51.399 --> 02:31:54.399 has done extremely well for the game that it is, 3119 02:31:54.959 --> 02:31:58.120 which is a Vampire Survivor clone that has added some 3120 02:31:58.239 --> 02:31:59.760 things and made it really delightfully. 3121 02:32:00.200 --> 02:32:01.799 Member was my number one game. 3122 02:32:02.520 --> 02:32:03.319 It's Risk of Rain two. 3123 02:32:03.360 --> 02:32:04.959 I want to point out like it's it's it's definitely 3124 02:32:04.959 --> 02:32:05.639 a mashup, though. 3125 02:32:05.600 --> 02:32:07.680 I think it's incredible. I'm just saying like, I think 3126 02:32:07.719 --> 02:32:10.639 it's where it belongs. I think it's really good. I 3127 02:32:10.680 --> 02:32:14.639 think Peak was extraordinarily innovative. I think it capitalized on 3128 02:32:14.760 --> 02:32:18.879 something that UH gamers in our audience was like really 3129 02:32:18.920 --> 02:32:22.719 excited to watch and play. I put so many hours 3130 02:32:22.760 --> 02:32:24.280 into this game with my friends, and can we talk 3131 02:32:24.280 --> 02:32:27.280 about like guttural belly laughs. This is the game that 3132 02:32:27.399 --> 02:32:29.959 did that for me. This is the game I didn't 3133 02:32:30.040 --> 02:32:32.879 put repo on here. I didn't put any of the 3134 02:32:32.920 --> 02:32:34.959 other games that were like so funny to all of 3135 02:32:35.040 --> 02:32:38.760 you guys on here, this is the game that I 3136 02:32:38.920 --> 02:32:41.239 wanted to play every weekend. This is the game that 3137 02:32:41.479 --> 02:32:42.600 was so joyful. 3138 02:32:42.799 --> 02:32:46.920 I have a question, and I I'm really not trying 3139 02:32:46.959 --> 02:32:49.520 to go anywhere with this. It's actually just more curious 3140 02:32:50.840 --> 02:32:53.639 is that game was it dependent on the people you 3141 02:32:53.719 --> 02:32:55.879 were playing with? I guess any multiplayer game is obviously 3142 02:32:55.879 --> 02:32:57.159 if you're playing with people you don't like, you're not 3143 02:32:57.200 --> 02:32:57.639 gonna like it. 3144 02:32:57.719 --> 02:33:00.799 But like, is the game people I hate? 3145 02:33:01.040 --> 02:33:03.200 Right? Is the game itself really really good? 3146 02:33:03.879 --> 02:33:07.559 Or is it just a good avenue for you hanging 3147 02:33:07.600 --> 02:33:09.959 out with people who are just like really fucking funny 3148 02:33:10.120 --> 02:33:10.959 and fun to hang out with. 3149 02:33:11.079 --> 02:33:13.440 Yeah, and that doesn't mean it's not. That doesn't disqualify it, 3150 02:33:13.479 --> 02:33:15.120 because again Arc Raiders, that's why I loved it. 3151 02:33:15.280 --> 02:33:17.319 I mean I don't think it's I think to your 3152 02:33:17.360 --> 02:33:19.319 point right as well, because we're like talking about like 3153 02:33:19.440 --> 02:33:23.040 how fucking brilliant was it? I think Pete kind of 3154 02:33:23.079 --> 02:33:27.079 feels like one of those game dev games where they 3155 02:33:27.200 --> 02:33:29.680 made it in a couple of weekends, where like, isn't 3156 02:33:29.680 --> 02:33:30.360 this great they. 3157 02:33:32.040 --> 02:33:32.399 Worked? 3158 02:33:33.159 --> 02:33:36.440 I don't think this is like some impeccably designed game. 3159 02:33:36.559 --> 02:33:39.959 I think it works extra extraordinarily well for what it's 3160 02:33:40.040 --> 02:33:42.840 intending to do, which is allow people to like come 3161 02:33:42.920 --> 02:33:46.079 together and play for a weekend. I think that it's 3162 02:33:46.639 --> 02:33:51.920 designed impeccably for its purpose. So when we're talking about 3163 02:33:51.959 --> 02:33:53.399 like and this, this is just kind of going to 3164 02:33:53.520 --> 02:33:56.639 like what our top ten really is. But like Megabonk 3165 02:33:56.760 --> 02:33:59.959 is designed impeccably for someone who's like won't play a game. 3166 02:34:00.079 --> 02:34:01.639 But I want to take it too seriously. I don't 3167 02:34:01.639 --> 02:34:04.360 want to worry about it too much. I think Megabank 3168 02:34:04.479 --> 02:34:06.399 is exactly where it is, and I also think Peak 3169 02:34:06.520 --> 02:34:07.959 is exactly where it is. I don't think it's going 3170 02:34:08.000 --> 02:34:09.719 to go any higher, but I don't think it should 3171 02:34:09.760 --> 02:34:10.959 necessarily go any lower. 3172 02:34:11.479 --> 02:34:12.239 Is where I'm at with it. 3173 02:34:12.559 --> 02:34:14.600 Like I'm not fighting for Peak to get higher. I'm 3174 02:34:14.639 --> 02:34:17.440 just saying like, when I think of Megabonk, I think 3175 02:34:17.479 --> 02:34:20.040 of like, Damn, I had a lot of like nice 3176 02:34:20.200 --> 02:34:23.079 casual nights watching TV and also playing this game, And 3177 02:34:23.120 --> 02:34:24.959 when I think of Peak, I was like, how many 3178 02:34:25.280 --> 02:34:28.879 amazing weekends did I have? Finding people to play this 3179 02:34:29.040 --> 02:34:31.440 with and having really glorious weekends with it was very 3180 02:34:31.559 --> 02:34:34.239 meaningful to me to play this game and to find 3181 02:34:34.280 --> 02:34:36.680 this game, and I think it was really brilliantly constructed. 3182 02:34:37.639 --> 02:34:39.959 And I'm not saying Megabank was bad. I'm just we're 3183 02:34:39.959 --> 02:34:42.520 at this point where we're like we're calling out these 3184 02:34:42.559 --> 02:34:43.639 like impeccable. 3185 02:34:43.200 --> 02:34:46.840 Games were the rest of the night for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 3186 02:34:47.479 --> 02:34:56.799 I wouldn't move it. I do feel like the legs 3187 02:34:57.000 --> 02:34:59.120 on a lot of these friends slop games. When you 3188 02:34:59.200 --> 02:35:01.600 look at like the history, the short history of this genre, 3189 02:35:02.559 --> 02:35:06.000 there's they really don't have legs as fun as they are. 3190 02:35:06.559 --> 02:35:08.959 You know, you play Lethal Company a few times, you 3191 02:35:09.040 --> 02:35:11.159 play Fast and Phobia a few times, you play Repo 3192 02:35:11.200 --> 02:35:11.559 a few. 3193 02:35:11.520 --> 02:35:15.319 Times, megabonk in ten years and be like what people. 3194 02:35:15.559 --> 02:35:17.520 I think people will talk about Megabonk longer than they 3195 02:35:17.559 --> 02:35:18.159 talk about Peak. 3196 02:35:18.280 --> 02:35:18.959 I don't think they will. 3197 02:35:19.040 --> 02:35:22.440 I think Peak is the exception to that, because like 3198 02:35:22.600 --> 02:35:24.719 I still play Peak. Peak is one of the few 3199 02:35:24.760 --> 02:35:28.120 friends slot games I still play because I think it's 3200 02:35:28.200 --> 02:35:31.680 mechanics are so much fun and even if like they're 3201 02:35:31.719 --> 02:35:34.360 not people you like that you're playing with, like there 3202 02:35:34.479 --> 02:35:39.000 is that like there's more mechanics that come into play 3203 02:35:39.040 --> 02:35:42.440 when you're playing with multiple people that I think make 3204 02:35:42.520 --> 02:35:45.040 it worth it. Like, you know, if we had Repo 3205 02:35:45.120 --> 02:35:47.959 in here, I'd be like, yeah, Repo, Like Repo is 3206 02:35:48.079 --> 02:35:49.000 very funny, but I'm. 3207 02:35:48.840 --> 02:35:50.680 Not going to play more. But Peak I still come 3208 02:35:50.760 --> 02:35:53.600 back to it is one of the best ones of those, Yeah, 3209 02:35:53.799 --> 02:35:55.239 if not maybe the best. 3210 02:35:56.280 --> 02:36:00.639 Yeah, people talk about this genre, they're to bring up Peak. 3211 02:36:00.760 --> 02:36:03.399 Is this like pinnacle of Like this was a pivotal moment. 3212 02:36:03.799 --> 02:36:06.399 I don't think Megabonk was this pivotal moment. I think 3213 02:36:06.440 --> 02:36:11.399 it was just an excellent addition to an already established genre. 3214 02:36:11.959 --> 02:36:13.360 I think it was the first one to take the 3215 02:36:13.479 --> 02:36:16.399 vampire survivor's type auto shooter thing to like three D 3216 02:36:16.760 --> 02:36:18.959 and do it really really well the way it did. 3217 02:36:19.040 --> 02:36:19.879 He Yeah, I think it did. 3218 02:36:23.200 --> 02:36:24.799 No, Peak is really it's really good. 3219 02:36:30.399 --> 02:36:32.559 Yeah. I mean I haven't played enough Mega Bank to say, 3220 02:36:32.600 --> 02:36:34.799 but I like Peak a lot. So yeah, I mean 3221 02:36:35.239 --> 02:36:37.040 I'm fine with Mega Bonk at nine. 3222 02:36:37.360 --> 02:36:38.959 Like I'm fine with Megabonk at nine. 3223 02:36:39.239 --> 02:36:41.719 Yeah. A lot of these do kind of look like 3224 02:36:42.520 --> 02:36:43.840 generally where they should be. 3225 02:36:43.920 --> 02:36:46.600 I mean, let me ask you to uh, And I 3226 02:36:46.639 --> 02:36:48.159 don't mean to keep gunning for this, it's just because 3227 02:36:48.200 --> 02:36:50.239 it's the only game I haven't the only game on 3228 02:36:50.319 --> 02:36:51.440 this list I really haven't played. 3229 02:36:52.559 --> 02:36:55.639 And that's do you think Silent Hill f is in 3230 02:36:55.680 --> 02:36:58.079 the right spot? Like, genuinely, do you think it's top five? 3231 02:36:58.639 --> 02:37:00.760 If it is? Like you've you have you very impassionate 3232 02:37:00.799 --> 02:37:02.799 arguments about it, And that's why I was like, all right, cool, 3233 02:37:02.879 --> 02:37:04.760 it sounds rad and I've been texting Jake about like 3234 02:37:04.799 --> 02:37:08.440 I need to play it, And it's a genuine question. 3235 02:37:08.520 --> 02:37:11.799 It's not like I'm not trying to be disingenuous. No, 3236 02:37:11.959 --> 02:37:17.680 I mean, god, I think it is better than Ghosts 3237 02:37:17.719 --> 02:37:20.319 of Viote, which is a weird comparison to make because 3238 02:37:20.360 --> 02:37:22.440 they are two very different games. But I think the 3239 02:37:22.600 --> 02:37:27.920 themes and the characters and the ideas that Silent Hill 3240 02:37:28.079 --> 02:37:29.399 goes for is something. 3241 02:37:29.200 --> 02:37:31.600 That I've not really seen in a game before. 3242 02:37:33.200 --> 02:37:35.200 Like, well, that's obviously I don't want to spoil things, 3243 02:37:35.280 --> 02:37:39.159 but like you're speaking very vaguely and I kind of 3244 02:37:39.280 --> 02:37:43.000 need more. Yeah, I know you don't want to spoil anything. 3245 02:37:43.319 --> 02:37:46.159 That's because there is a moment in like what what 3246 02:37:46.360 --> 02:37:48.239 kind of themes are they touching on really well that 3247 02:37:48.360 --> 02:37:49.079 no other game has. 3248 02:37:49.600 --> 02:37:52.440 Are you worried about spoiling mic or the audience, the audience. 3249 02:37:52.760 --> 02:37:55.000 I mean, I think maybe we could give like maybe 3250 02:37:55.079 --> 02:37:57.079 a three minute save zone here if you want to 3251 02:37:57.120 --> 02:37:59.879 fast forward or mute the twitch stream or something like that. 3252 02:38:00.000 --> 02:38:01.319 Do you think this is the game of the year, 3253 02:38:01.479 --> 02:38:04.040 This is when you spoil stuff a little bit or 3254 02:38:04.120 --> 02:38:06.840 just as as like I okay, I I think it 3255 02:38:06.920 --> 02:38:12.360 can go down. But I think, like I really like 3256 02:38:12.440 --> 02:38:14.399 Ghost of Fiote. I was surprised how much I like 3257 02:38:14.440 --> 02:38:16.920 Ghost of Yote. But Ghost of Yote is kind of 3258 02:38:17.000 --> 02:38:19.840 like junk food in a way, like the side content. 3259 02:38:20.000 --> 02:38:23.399 But I yeah, yeah, I know, sorry, you're you're I And. 3260 02:38:23.479 --> 02:38:26.239 I think I think Silon Hill f is like swinging 3261 02:38:26.360 --> 02:38:29.399 for something that fuck yeah, how do I say that? 3262 02:38:29.479 --> 02:38:32.159 Without do you do? You? Do? You want to add 3263 02:38:32.239 --> 02:38:35.319 something like I trust you too? Like that I know 3264 02:38:35.399 --> 02:38:37.559 you're talking about like I trust your taste in the game. 3265 02:38:37.600 --> 02:38:38.760 I just I feel like the. 3266 02:38:38.799 --> 02:38:40.559 Way I'm describing it too makes it sound like it's 3267 02:38:40.600 --> 02:38:42.559 very up its own ass. But there is a sequence 3268 02:38:42.600 --> 02:38:45.040 in this game that is like I've never seen in 3269 02:38:45.120 --> 02:38:45.920 a game before, and. 3270 02:38:45.959 --> 02:38:52.479 They do something that is disturbing beyond so many levels. 3271 02:38:52.520 --> 02:38:54.959 But I think it works. I think I want to 3272 02:38:55.040 --> 02:38:58.239 hear that I think you have to. 3273 02:39:00.360 --> 02:39:01.559 Maybe go into it. 3274 02:39:01.559 --> 02:39:04.200 A lot because it's right now, number before, I feel 3275 02:39:04.280 --> 02:39:05.479 like I've just been here. 3276 02:39:05.559 --> 02:39:07.680 But I think if I I think you have, if 3277 02:39:07.719 --> 02:39:16.040 I explain it, fuck, I don't want I don't want 3278 02:39:16.040 --> 02:39:18.959 to ruin it because we have the spoiler tag. People 3279 02:39:19.000 --> 02:39:21.559 are people are assuming we were talking spoilers right now anyway, 3280 02:39:23.479 --> 02:39:26.840 it's God, yeah, yeah, yeah. 3281 02:39:27.399 --> 02:39:31.200 So the whole kind of premise around that is that 3282 02:39:31.399 --> 02:39:37.159 there is a lot I'm not making a good case, 3283 02:39:37.200 --> 02:39:39.159 so I'm too drunk to like make a case for this. No, 3284 02:39:39.239 --> 02:39:40.760 that's fine. I know it's tough because like you don't 3285 02:39:40.760 --> 02:39:42.399 want to spoil it, and like also, I'm sure the 3286 02:39:42.440 --> 02:39:43.920 build up is like a huge part of what makes 3287 02:39:43.959 --> 02:39:45.360 it good. But I think a lot of what makes 3288 02:39:45.399 --> 02:39:48.040 Silent Hill Life so good is everything that's unsaid. There 3289 02:39:48.120 --> 02:39:52.000 is so much subtext and context that I think builds 3290 02:39:52.399 --> 02:39:55.520 on each playthrough where you get to a point where 3291 02:39:55.639 --> 02:40:00.000 you learn so much about characters that are not obvious 3292 02:40:00.079 --> 02:40:01.840 us at first, and it builds and it builds and 3293 02:40:01.920 --> 02:40:02.319 it builds. 3294 02:40:02.959 --> 02:40:03.079 Uh. 3295 02:40:03.319 --> 02:40:07.680 I think the moment in particular that I think about 3296 02:40:07.760 --> 02:40:13.920 constantly is, uh, God, she fucking saws her own arm 3297 02:40:14.000 --> 02:40:18.840 off and it's just this like fucking insane, like. 3298 02:40:19.239 --> 02:40:24.879 Oh god with James Franco in the movie. Yeah exactly, Yeah. 3299 02:40:25.840 --> 02:40:26.360 Yeah God. 3300 02:40:26.440 --> 02:40:28.000 I hate that I said that because I don't know 3301 02:40:28.120 --> 02:40:29.280 how many people have played that game. 3302 02:40:29.399 --> 02:40:31.559 But but there's that. I I. 3303 02:40:34.319 --> 02:40:35.840 We can leave it alone for now, and then maybe 3304 02:40:35.879 --> 02:40:39.360 we do. I think it can drop down, Mary, do 3305 02:40:39.399 --> 02:40:40.399 you think it dropped down? 3306 02:40:40.479 --> 02:40:42.520 I think it can drop down, But I think I think, 3307 02:40:42.680 --> 02:40:46.079 like I would have problems with it being We're at 3308 02:40:46.079 --> 02:40:48.079 the point where I'm gonna start saying other game names 3309 02:40:48.120 --> 02:40:49.399 and I want you to understand that you're gonna be 3310 02:40:49.479 --> 02:40:51.319 like what, I love it, but it's like, sure, no, 3311 02:40:51.440 --> 02:40:54.799 I know. I don't think it can be below Donkey Kong. 3312 02:40:55.520 --> 02:40:58.239 I think it it is extremely powerful what it's doing, 3313 02:40:59.000 --> 02:41:02.239 and it's using game mechanics and design and story in 3314 02:41:02.360 --> 02:41:05.239 a way that is important and it needs to be. 3315 02:41:06.520 --> 02:41:08.920 It needs to be at a certain level. So I 3316 02:41:09.000 --> 02:41:10.440 don't think it has to be in the top five, 3317 02:41:10.600 --> 02:41:12.000 but it can't go. 3318 02:41:12.920 --> 02:41:15.200 I wouldn't if you swapped it with Hallow Night. 3319 02:41:16.239 --> 02:41:21.479 I would be okay with that. I figured, I'm amazed 3320 02:41:21.520 --> 02:41:22.280 that you offered that. 3321 02:41:23.120 --> 02:41:24.639 I like Hollow Night a lot. 3322 02:41:24.879 --> 02:41:27.239 I let me be clear. I like Hollow Night silks 3323 02:41:27.239 --> 02:41:29.079 On quite a bit. I just don't think it's the 3324 02:41:29.399 --> 02:41:30.159 best game of the year. 3325 02:41:30.239 --> 02:41:32.959 I didn't think that it was going to make it 3326 02:41:33.040 --> 02:41:34.639 to best game of the Year. But I do think 3327 02:41:34.680 --> 02:41:38.040 that it's under where it should be. It's an incredible game, 3328 02:41:38.200 --> 02:41:40.760 but I didn't expect it to win. 3329 02:41:41.399 --> 02:41:44.600 But it's a it's a weird year where I usually 3330 02:41:44.639 --> 02:41:46.239 we'd start at the bottom of the top ten and 3331 02:41:46.319 --> 02:41:47.719 kind of like whittle things away and then get but 3332 02:41:47.840 --> 02:41:48.840 like it's almost like. 3333 02:41:53.639 --> 02:41:55.399 I don't want to put Donkey Kong above Silent Hill. 3334 02:41:56.479 --> 02:42:02.799 So Donkey Kong is a weird franchise and that like 3335 02:42:02.920 --> 02:42:05.920 obviously everyone's always loved the character. He's been a mainstay 3336 02:42:05.959 --> 02:42:08.680 and everything, but they definitely have never found a way 3337 02:42:08.799 --> 02:42:11.719 to move him into three D in a meaningful way. 3338 02:42:12.959 --> 02:42:16.959 Sixty four they tried, you know about that. It's the 3339 02:42:17.079 --> 02:42:19.399 cases is not good and he's like they've gone back 3340 02:42:19.440 --> 02:42:23.239 to two D stuff. They've like, like sixty four. I'm 3341 02:42:23.360 --> 02:42:25.520 kind of a defender of it, Yeah, but it's like 3342 02:42:25.600 --> 02:42:28.440 it's not exactly So there's a reason they haven't done 3343 02:42:28.479 --> 02:42:31.680 a big three D Donkey Kong between like twenty and 3344 02:42:31.760 --> 02:42:34.200 twenty twenty five is like twenty five years of not 3345 02:42:34.319 --> 02:42:38.559 really trying another one of those. I think this was 3346 02:42:39.120 --> 02:42:41.559 an incredible revival of like one of the most iconic 3347 02:42:41.639 --> 02:42:43.760 video game characters of all time, from just the aesthetics 3348 02:42:43.879 --> 02:42:47.879 of what he looks like and everything to what they 3349 02:42:48.079 --> 02:42:51.000 managed to do where you take the Odyssey team and 3350 02:42:51.079 --> 02:42:53.319 it's like, Okay, task them with, let's make a Donkey 3351 02:42:53.399 --> 02:42:56.360 Kong platformer. And I'm sure if it just played like 3352 02:42:56.479 --> 02:42:59.200 Mario Odissey or Mario Galaxy or anything, but it was 3353 02:42:59.280 --> 02:43:01.719 Donkey Kong and like, oh, they threw into mine cart 3354 02:43:01.799 --> 02:43:03.719 levels and you can write a rhino or whatever, I'm 3355 02:43:03.719 --> 02:43:05.680 sure it's still be a very good game. But they 3356 02:43:05.760 --> 02:43:10.239 did not do that. They made it. They reinvented Donkey Kong, 3357 02:43:10.760 --> 02:43:13.200 and like, what would Donkey Kong do? What would be 3358 02:43:13.319 --> 02:43:15.840 fun to do as Donkey Kong in a three D environment? 3359 02:43:16.159 --> 02:43:19.079 And that's He's just a big fucking dumb ape and 3360 02:43:19.319 --> 02:43:21.280 all he knows how to do is to swing his 3361 02:43:21.399 --> 02:43:23.639 arms around and fuck things up. And so three of 3362 02:43:23.719 --> 02:43:26.200 the four face buttons are fuck things up, and one 3363 02:43:26.239 --> 02:43:28.360 of them is jump. And then they had this brilliant 3364 02:43:28.399 --> 02:43:30.319 idea of like, okay, well, what if just like that's 3365 02:43:30.399 --> 02:43:32.959 the whole hook of the game. Is that just destroying 3366 02:43:33.159 --> 02:43:35.520 the environment and then all those other things the low 3367 02:43:35.559 --> 02:43:38.600 hanging fruit or you know, riding ramby the uh, the 3368 02:43:38.680 --> 02:43:40.399 mind cart levels and things like that, Like you know, 3369 02:43:40.479 --> 02:43:42.600 they add all those mainstays. You know, you put in 3370 02:43:42.600 --> 02:43:44.360 the cranky Kongs, you do the fan service UF, here's 3371 02:43:44.360 --> 02:43:48.360 Diddy or Dixie. Here's all that stuff. But it is 3372 02:43:48.520 --> 02:43:51.760 not just Mario Odyssey with the Donkey Kong skin. It 3373 02:43:51.920 --> 02:43:55.799 is not just playing the hits. It is reinventing Donkey 3374 02:43:55.879 --> 02:43:57.879 Kong and the way he looks, the way he plays, 3375 02:43:57.959 --> 02:44:00.360 and making a three D platformer that like, that's a 3376 02:44:00.440 --> 02:44:03.200 genre that's been around since the mid nineties, and they've 3377 02:44:03.520 --> 02:44:05.879 tried so many times, so many developers and so many 3378 02:44:05.920 --> 02:44:07.840 series have tried to like change what a three D 3379 02:44:07.879 --> 02:44:10.399 platform can be, and it's always just like, I don't know, 3380 02:44:10.479 --> 02:44:13.000 here's a different type of jump, here's a hat that 3381 02:44:13.159 --> 02:44:15.040 gives you a different way to fly, or something like that, 3382 02:44:15.520 --> 02:44:19.000 And no one's really gone as big as this game did, 3383 02:44:19.159 --> 02:44:20.600 and that like what if you could just destroy the 3384 02:44:20.760 --> 02:44:23.639 entire world and we made it work. You know, you 3385 02:44:23.719 --> 02:44:26.520 can dig yourself through an entire mountain and the camera 3386 02:44:26.639 --> 02:44:28.840 and the silhouettes and all that system, Like it just works, 3387 02:44:29.360 --> 02:44:32.399 and like Mike talked about earlier, like you can find 3388 02:44:32.479 --> 02:44:34.600 your own ways to different objectives, you can break the 3389 02:44:34.639 --> 02:44:37.200 world in ways that makes it all work. Yeah, I 3390 02:44:37.239 --> 02:44:40.239 think it is a tremendous achievement that I think deserves 3391 02:44:40.280 --> 02:44:41.120 to be high up three. 3392 02:44:41.040 --> 02:44:45.479 D platformers, to me, is a genre that just requires 3393 02:44:45.600 --> 02:44:52.079 precision and like intentionality, and the fact that you can 3394 02:44:52.200 --> 02:44:54.680 actually like burrow through the world and mess with a 3395 02:44:54.760 --> 02:44:57.440 level design, or at least the aim of the level 3396 02:44:57.479 --> 02:45:01.319 design is incredible. I don't only we have not had 3397 02:45:01.399 --> 02:45:03.239 something like that. I don't think anybody's ever going to 3398 02:45:03.280 --> 02:45:08.000 try that again for good reason. But the level design 3399 02:45:08.040 --> 02:45:13.200 itself also deserves credit. I mean not just the aesthetic 3400 02:45:13.239 --> 02:45:15.760 of each level, but also like some levels are more 3401 02:45:15.760 --> 02:45:18.239 about layering and it's more of verticality and how you're 3402 02:45:18.520 --> 02:45:21.159 kind of descending through this canyon. Others are more about 3403 02:45:21.200 --> 02:45:23.120 like exploring the forests and kind of finding these little 3404 02:45:23.200 --> 02:45:25.159 hidden nooks and crannies, and then the fact that you 3405 02:45:25.319 --> 02:45:28.360 can just kind of break the game every five feet. 3406 02:45:28.399 --> 02:45:30.440 It reminds me of Tiers of the Kingdom. I think 3407 02:45:30.680 --> 02:45:34.559 Tiers the Kingdom's a far superior game. Yeah, Sapples and Oranges, 3408 02:45:34.559 --> 02:45:35.879 but I think Heier's the Kingdom. They did a really 3409 02:45:35.879 --> 02:45:37.319 good job of letting you kind of like cheat, and 3410 02:45:37.600 --> 02:45:40.520 like with between us End and the Ultra Hand, I 3411 02:45:40.559 --> 02:45:43.239 think they were like, I think it's just more indicative 3412 02:45:43.239 --> 02:45:45.840 of Nintendo getting more open with letting players kind of 3413 02:45:45.840 --> 02:45:47.799 fuck with their games in a way that's really encouraging. 3414 02:45:47.879 --> 02:45:52.040 But I like don Kong Bananza a lot. 3415 02:45:54.799 --> 02:45:56.799 For me, it would be higher, But I don't know 3416 02:45:56.879 --> 02:45:59.000 what you mean by that though, because you keep saying higher, 3417 02:45:59.079 --> 02:46:00.479 But like we're out a point, we have. 3418 02:46:00.520 --> 02:46:02.399 To start saying what I said. I just said for me, 3419 02:46:02.440 --> 02:46:03.959 it would be higher, but I'm fine with where it is. 3420 02:46:04.200 --> 02:46:06.760 Sure, Sure, I think then maybe it's more for like 3421 02:46:06.920 --> 02:46:10.200 Dan like well'ing to me. What I'm saying to you 3422 02:46:10.479 --> 02:46:12.600 is like, no one's saying it's not an excellent game, 3423 02:46:13.239 --> 02:46:17.680 but at this point we're saying, like, uh, it has 3424 02:46:17.799 --> 02:46:21.120 to challenge another game for its spot. And I don't 3425 02:46:21.120 --> 02:46:23.520 see any game that I would swap with Donkey Kong Finanza. 3426 02:46:23.799 --> 02:46:27.200 What are the things that like thematically and everything? It 3427 02:46:27.239 --> 02:46:30.319 sounds like Silent Hill. There's some interesting characters and the 3428 02:46:30.399 --> 02:46:32.799 themes and everything. But like what, like people have been 3429 02:46:32.799 --> 02:46:34.879 saying that it's about Silent Hill since you know the 3430 02:46:34.959 --> 02:46:37.799 first one and definitely the second one, Like is it 3431 02:46:38.000 --> 02:46:40.879 really doing anything? Like what is it doing that other 3432 02:46:41.040 --> 02:46:45.639 Silent Hills have not been given credit for decades ago? 3433 02:46:45.719 --> 02:46:48.159 Well, I mean, I think it's reinventing a genre that 3434 02:46:48.239 --> 02:46:52.319 already established itself, but it's doing it in such a 3435 02:46:52.399 --> 02:46:55.440 way where often when we're talking about these games and 3436 02:46:55.559 --> 02:46:57.600 Donkey Kong falls into this, so it's like a really 3437 02:46:57.680 --> 02:47:00.920 nice comparison where you're like, well, to do anything new 3438 02:47:01.559 --> 02:47:04.399 for this, for this character or for this world, and 3439 02:47:04.479 --> 02:47:06.159 it's like, actually, yes it did, and it might be 3440 02:47:06.239 --> 02:47:09.639 one of the best absolutely in its series. I think 3441 02:47:09.680 --> 02:47:12.760 it is. It is pushing the boundaries of narrative design 3442 02:47:12.840 --> 02:47:17.680 and characters, and uh oh, it's dialogue is so good 3443 02:47:17.719 --> 02:47:19.440 because like, no one is annoying. It doesn't have any 3444 02:47:19.479 --> 02:47:24.440 obnoxious characters or wasteful time. It's all pretty efficiently and 3445 02:47:24.559 --> 02:47:28.639 expertly connected. To me, even though you guys are talking 3446 02:47:29.719 --> 02:47:34.120 really positively about Donkey Kong Bananza, it also seems a 3447 02:47:34.639 --> 02:47:37.440 little shallow or you're just basically like he can destroy 3448 02:47:37.520 --> 02:47:39.079 the world, he can do whatever he wants with it. 3449 02:47:39.799 --> 02:47:43.840 That's awesome, Like that is that is important that when 3450 02:47:43.920 --> 02:47:45.600 you can do that and you can break the game 3451 02:47:45.639 --> 02:47:48.280 that you're where you're at. I'm not seeing that. It's 3452 02:47:48.399 --> 02:47:51.559 it's absolutely like world breaking or like genre shattering. 3453 02:47:51.920 --> 02:47:55.000 That's what you mentioned, reinventing the genre. You said Silent 3454 02:47:55.079 --> 02:47:56.879 Hill reinvented the genre, and like, that's what I was 3455 02:47:56.879 --> 02:47:59.159 saying with d K Bonanza is all that stuff of 3456 02:47:59.360 --> 02:48:02.040 decades of three platforming, And I do think it was 3457 02:48:02.120 --> 02:48:03.920 doing a lot of things too, like you know, do 3458 02:48:04.040 --> 02:48:06.079 things that three platforms have not done before. So I 3459 02:48:06.079 --> 02:48:08.319 would challenge, like, what is it would you call Silent 3460 02:48:08.399 --> 02:48:10.559 Hill f in terms of genre a survival horror game? 3461 02:48:11.280 --> 02:48:14.000 It's survival horror. And I also think, like, uh, in 3462 02:48:14.120 --> 02:48:16.520 terms of narrative design, I think it's doing something with 3463 02:48:18.239 --> 02:48:20.680 girls that it hasn't done before. A lot of times 3464 02:48:20.680 --> 02:48:23.600 when we're talking about like the history of Silent Hill, 3465 02:48:23.680 --> 02:48:25.840 there's like a lot of male protagonists that are dealing 3466 02:48:25.920 --> 02:48:27.639 with like the horrors of things that they've done in 3467 02:48:27.719 --> 02:48:31.760 the past. It's very refreshing to seeing it done with 3468 02:48:32.360 --> 02:48:33.680 this protagonist. 3469 02:48:33.879 --> 02:48:35.799 But that's the franchise, right, I want to boil. You 3470 02:48:35.840 --> 02:48:38.079 said it was reinventing the genre. So would you say 3471 02:48:38.120 --> 02:48:42.680 the genre of Silent Hill F is survival horror? Yes, 3472 02:48:43.040 --> 02:48:45.120 So what would you say Silent Hill F is doing 3473 02:48:45.200 --> 02:48:47.360 to reinvent the survival horror genre? 3474 02:48:48.399 --> 02:48:50.920 I mean, to Mary's point, I think it's all narrative, 3475 02:48:51.040 --> 02:48:53.479 Like I don't think. I don't think the gameplay itself 3476 02:48:53.719 --> 02:48:57.159 reinvents it. But like I mean, the red pills, Like 3477 02:48:57.319 --> 02:48:59.280 what they did with that I think is pretty What 3478 02:48:59.600 --> 02:49:03.000 are the red pills? So we're just spoil whatever because 3479 02:49:03.000 --> 02:49:05.079 I feel like we're getting you need specifics to sell 3480 02:49:05.120 --> 02:49:11.159 me on these platitudes. Red pills heal you. And they 3481 02:49:11.200 --> 02:49:13.280 are presented to you at the beginning, and you know 3482 02:49:13.360 --> 02:49:16.719 about these red pills and you take the right and 3483 02:49:16.799 --> 02:49:19.360 they look like medicine. And the more you play, the 3484 02:49:19.440 --> 02:49:21.719 more you learn about these red pills that you are 3485 02:49:21.840 --> 02:49:25.200 taking constantly, and you start to learn what these red 3486 02:49:25.239 --> 02:49:28.840 pills are, and you've made it to the end of 3487 02:49:28.920 --> 02:49:33.239 the game, and basically it kind of like pushes you 3488 02:49:33.399 --> 02:49:36.559 to an ending that is defined by the fact that 3489 02:49:36.680 --> 02:49:42.200 you have been taking these red pills, and then you 3490 02:49:42.360 --> 02:49:46.840 do a new game plus and it you you know 3491 02:49:46.959 --> 02:49:49.399 about these red pills and you play the game differently, 3492 02:49:49.920 --> 02:49:53.799 it is like, I just feel like that's like getting 3493 02:49:53.799 --> 02:49:55.399 to the end of Banans and they're like the bananas 3494 02:49:55.399 --> 02:49:56.520 were bad the whole time. 3495 02:49:58.000 --> 02:50:00.840 Like I just like that seems Donkey Kong would never 3496 02:50:00.920 --> 02:50:02.719 do that because it's too deep and Donkey Kong is 3497 02:50:02.799 --> 02:50:04.799 just like about this story in the world. But what 3498 02:50:04.879 --> 02:50:06.719 I'm saying is, you guys are ragging on a game 3499 02:50:06.840 --> 02:50:10.280 for trying something else, don't do anything besides breaking the world. 3500 02:50:10.479 --> 02:50:13.319 I'm not ragging not doing anything besides breaking the world. 3501 02:50:13.440 --> 02:50:16.719 That's a pretty big thing for It's worthy of. 3502 02:50:16.760 --> 02:50:19.319 The top ten, but I'm saying it's limiting how far 3503 02:50:19.360 --> 02:50:19.639 it really. 3504 02:50:19.840 --> 02:50:21.360 I want to be clear, I am not ragging on 3505 02:50:21.440 --> 02:50:23.280 Silent Hill, lef. I'm just saying, if you say it 3506 02:50:23.440 --> 02:50:25.840 reinvents the genre, I need to hear how. 3507 02:50:26.079 --> 02:50:26.280 I know. 3508 02:50:26.440 --> 02:50:28.719 That's why I don't hear, because like that that's a 3509 02:50:28.799 --> 02:50:30.719 big thing to say, yes, and I need to hear you. 3510 02:50:31.639 --> 02:50:35.680 We may just kid okay. I would say like Silent 3511 02:50:35.760 --> 02:50:37.520 Hill left deserves to be of Ghost of Yota. 3512 02:50:37.719 --> 02:50:40.040 I like Ghost of Yotae a lot Donkey Kong Bonanza 3513 02:50:40.360 --> 02:50:42.840 that is an argument that I am open to. I 3514 02:50:42.959 --> 02:50:46.959 think Bonanza is amazing, but like Ghost of Yota for 3515 02:50:47.079 --> 02:50:49.280 me is junk food. Like it is a game that, 3516 02:50:49.479 --> 02:50:52.760 like I played fifty hours of that game. I still 3517 02:50:52.799 --> 02:50:54.639 plan on finishing it, but it is a game that 3518 02:50:54.840 --> 02:50:59.360 like did not compel me the way that Silent Hill 3519 02:50:59.440 --> 02:51:01.079 has or even Donkey Kong, you know. 3520 02:51:01.600 --> 02:51:04.159 And that is where I think I will. I would 3521 02:51:04.159 --> 02:51:06.159 be okay with Silent Hill being above Ghost of Yota, 3522 02:51:06.319 --> 02:51:08.200 because I do feel that way about Yote as much 3523 02:51:08.239 --> 02:51:10.840 as like we, I think all love that game a lot. Yeah, 3524 02:51:10.959 --> 02:51:13.280 but like you kind of hinted that here, like I 3525 02:51:13.360 --> 02:51:16.319 haven't beaten it yet. I've had it since three weeks 3526 02:51:16.319 --> 02:51:18.840 before it came out or whatever, and every time I 3527 02:51:18.959 --> 02:51:21.280 play it, I'm enjoying it. It's a popcorn movie. It 3528 02:51:21.399 --> 02:51:23.120 is like, oh that that kill felt great, you know. 3529 02:51:23.159 --> 02:51:25.120 I like the story and everything, but it's not something 3530 02:51:25.159 --> 02:51:26.920 that like I'm thinking of Sectory way more than I'm 3531 02:51:26.920 --> 02:51:28.680 thinking of Ghost of Yota, and every once in a 3532 02:51:28.680 --> 02:51:29.959 while be like, oh right, I still need to work 3533 02:51:29.959 --> 02:51:31.399 on Ghost y Oota and I'll go and I'll I'll 3534 02:51:31.440 --> 02:51:32.760 play three hours tomorrow. 3535 02:51:32.520 --> 02:51:34.879 Night, and I do want to point out because I 3536 02:51:34.920 --> 02:51:37.760 feel like we talk about addictive games a lot. Sectory 3537 02:51:37.840 --> 02:51:39.959 is one of the games that's designed to be addictive 3538 02:51:40.000 --> 02:51:41.399 and make you want to play when it's not a way. 3539 02:51:41.879 --> 02:51:43.719 I just want to push back against the fact that 3540 02:51:43.799 --> 02:51:47.040 that necessarily makes a game better. But I'm fine with 3541 02:51:47.120 --> 02:51:49.479 what you're saying. I'm fine with Yota dropping. I love Yota, 3542 02:51:49.600 --> 02:51:54.879 but I think, like, just yeah, I don't know I dropping. 3543 02:51:55.000 --> 02:51:58.120 I would see the argument of putting Silent Hill above 3544 02:51:58.239 --> 02:52:01.479 Yota easier than I could see putting Silent Hill above 3545 02:52:01.559 --> 02:52:04.879 DK Bonanza. Yeah, what if we went. 3546 02:52:07.760 --> 02:52:09.879 So what if we swapped Bonanza and Yote right now? 3547 02:52:10.600 --> 02:52:12.159 Isn't that what we're all kind of sad of saying? 3548 02:52:14.399 --> 02:52:16.680 Have you played DK Bananza? No, I'm not. 3549 02:52:16.840 --> 02:52:19.559 Impressed by arguments either. I'm really not. 3550 02:52:19.799 --> 02:52:21.840 You said it reinvented a genre, and then we asked You're. 3551 02:52:21.639 --> 02:52:23.639 Like, you're some about Silent Hill, ealth, I'm talking to 3552 02:52:23.719 --> 02:52:25.719 you about Bonanza. Tell me why Bonanza should be more? 3553 02:52:27.559 --> 02:52:28.120 Thing about it? 3554 02:52:28.239 --> 02:52:28.440 Yeah? 3555 02:52:28.440 --> 02:52:29.639 About how it breaks the world. 3556 02:52:29.920 --> 02:52:33.120 Yes, it breaks the entire genre. Say like, it really 3557 02:52:33.159 --> 02:52:35.319 invents the three D platformer genre, and I just gave 3558 02:52:35.360 --> 02:52:36.920 an argument for how it did that you couldn't give 3559 02:52:36.920 --> 02:52:37.719 an argument for how. 3560 02:52:39.600 --> 02:52:42.239 You need to back up how Silent Will have reinvents 3561 02:52:42.280 --> 02:52:42.920 survival horror. 3562 02:52:43.079 --> 02:52:46.239 You you actually haven't convinced me with your Bonanza argument. 3563 02:52:46.280 --> 02:52:48.399 And you keep saying because you're saying an argument that 3564 02:52:48.520 --> 02:52:51.120 it worked, but you're just talking. You actually didn't convince me. 3565 02:52:51.559 --> 02:52:54.200 I'm not convinced that Donkey Kong Bonanza did what you 3566 02:52:54.239 --> 02:52:54.719 said it did. 3567 02:52:55.360 --> 02:52:58.280 But I feel like we went at length about it. 3568 02:52:58.520 --> 02:52:59.799 We talked a lot about a lot. 3569 02:53:00.159 --> 02:53:01.959 There was a lot of talking, and I just did 3570 02:53:02.079 --> 02:53:04.120 not feel that it actually did what you said it did. 3571 02:53:06.200 --> 02:53:10.159 I guess it's just kind of wall it can't like 3572 02:53:10.280 --> 02:53:12.440 I guess that's one tactic for tonight. 3573 02:53:12.799 --> 02:53:15.879 You make platforms, you destroy them, You move up, you 3574 02:53:16.159 --> 02:53:16.719 move down. 3575 02:53:16.959 --> 02:53:17.280 But like. 3576 02:53:19.239 --> 02:53:22.120 What else, Like that's it, that's it, you move around 3577 02:53:22.159 --> 02:53:22.360 a lot. 3578 02:53:22.559 --> 02:53:25.319 We went in depth on it, and we still need 3579 02:53:25.399 --> 02:53:27.520 to hear how Silent Hill reinvented the genre. 3580 02:53:29.280 --> 02:53:32.280 Silent Hill f is using story in a way. It 3581 02:53:32.360 --> 02:53:35.360 has a protagonist that hasn't been explored in a way 3582 02:53:35.440 --> 02:53:39.239 that has been like very profound. It is using mechanics 3583 02:53:39.319 --> 02:53:40.360 to push the player. 3584 02:53:40.159 --> 02:53:40.360 To like. 3585 02:53:43.000 --> 02:53:45.639 How has the protagonist been explored in a way that 3586 02:53:45.760 --> 02:53:46.639 no other game has. 3587 02:53:47.719 --> 02:53:50.280 I don't think there's a lot of other young female 3588 02:53:50.360 --> 02:53:53.719 protagonists in a horror genre that have been as strong 3589 02:53:53.920 --> 02:53:54.799 as this character. 3590 02:53:55.000 --> 02:53:55.760 That's like why she. 3591 02:53:56.000 --> 02:53:59.959 Kind of won Biggest Dude of the Year is because 3592 02:54:00.120 --> 02:54:03.840 she she's extremely powerful and she's quite fearless in what 3593 02:54:03.959 --> 02:54:05.559 she's doing. But like, I don't want to get too 3594 02:54:06.079 --> 02:54:08.600 I think I think it's a fallacy, like focused too 3595 02:54:08.680 --> 02:54:11.479 much on on on her as like the reason that 3596 02:54:11.600 --> 02:54:12.040 it should be. 3597 02:54:12.079 --> 02:54:12.440 What it is. 3598 02:54:12.520 --> 02:54:14.360 I think what I'm saying is that, like every decision 3599 02:54:14.399 --> 02:54:17.000 you make in Silent Hill has a very dramatic effect 3600 02:54:17.040 --> 02:54:18.840 that you don't find until the end of the game. 3601 02:54:20.200 --> 02:54:24.200 Every choice that you're making is impactful and important, and 3602 02:54:24.319 --> 02:54:27.280 you don't recognize the value of that until actually new 3603 02:54:27.319 --> 02:54:29.520 game plus, Like that's when you realize that the decisions 3604 02:54:29.559 --> 02:54:33.719 that you're making were very impactful. I don't know, I think, 3605 02:54:37.479 --> 02:54:39.079 I mean, I think we're in a bit of a standstill. 3606 02:54:39.120 --> 02:54:43.200 I'm not convinced that Donkey Kong Bonanza is this like 3607 02:54:43.440 --> 02:54:47.479 powerful game. I think it's I think it's great what 3608 02:54:47.600 --> 02:54:53.000 it's done. I'm I'm not like I had the chance 3609 02:54:53.760 --> 02:54:56.000 to tell everybody, like you got to play Donkey Kong 3610 02:54:56.239 --> 02:54:58.399 and you didn't. You guys told me to play Sectory. 3611 02:54:59.000 --> 02:55:01.399 What we t for like three episodes about how you 3612 02:55:01.399 --> 02:55:02.280 should play Donkey Kong. 3613 02:55:02.479 --> 02:55:05.680 No in discord, we said, hey, if anyone really needs 3614 02:55:05.719 --> 02:55:08.440 to play a game, to make sure it's discussed in Sectory. 3615 02:55:08.840 --> 02:55:11.440 We had not talked about. It came in really hot. 3616 02:55:11.559 --> 02:55:13.600 We had not talked about on the show any of 3617 02:55:13.639 --> 02:55:14.799 the listeners who listened to every. 3618 02:55:14.680 --> 02:55:17.600 Episode, not like it's gonna be in it, Like it 3619 02:55:17.760 --> 02:55:18.399 wasn't up there. 3620 02:55:19.760 --> 02:55:21.959 We talked a lot about dk Bananza on the episodes. 3621 02:55:21.959 --> 02:55:24.959 I feel like we're just rewriting fire Escape episode history now. 3622 02:55:26.760 --> 02:55:29.239 And like dk Bananza came out months and months ago, 3623 02:55:29.479 --> 02:55:31.479 and like Sectory were like came in hot and we 3624 02:55:31.520 --> 02:55:33.520 hadn't played it or talked about it. So it was like, hey, 3625 02:55:33.559 --> 02:55:35.479 we should try to get this in beforehand. 3626 02:55:35.079 --> 02:55:38.280 With I'm fairly happy with this ranking so honest. So 3627 02:55:39.040 --> 02:55:44.239 it goes left DK Bananza. But I will say, Mike, 3628 02:55:44.920 --> 02:55:47.120 you better finish Donkey Kung Bonanza if you're fighting this 3629 02:55:47.200 --> 02:55:47.479 hard for. 3630 02:55:47.559 --> 02:55:50.760 It, because it's incredibly strong ending. That's what I've heard. 3631 02:55:50.840 --> 02:55:53.760 But the middle section is I'm so over it, Like 3632 02:55:53.879 --> 02:55:55.559 I fired it up, and I was like, Okay, I'm 3633 02:55:55.559 --> 02:55:57.280 going to get through the Hamburger level, and I'm like, 3634 02:55:57.360 --> 02:55:58.879 I can't do this, And I had to sell on 3635 02:55:59.000 --> 02:56:02.879 Hamburger like it's I think it's a very good game, 3636 02:56:02.959 --> 02:56:05.639 but like it did not compel me the way that 3637 02:56:05.760 --> 02:56:07.639 it was that I hoped. 3638 02:56:07.760 --> 02:56:09.959 I mean, I'm certainly not going to say like narratively 3639 02:56:10.280 --> 02:56:12.440 like no, he likes bananas, you know, Like, I'm just 3640 02:56:13.120 --> 02:56:16.920 it was narrative. Obviously s Hill, it clearly has it. 3641 02:56:17.120 --> 02:56:20.000 But I wish the Odyssey team made another Mario platformer. 3642 02:56:20.079 --> 02:56:24.319 I mean I do too, but yeah, yeah, same, No. 3643 02:56:24.559 --> 02:56:28.719 I I honestly have no problems with the entire ranking person. 3644 02:56:28.760 --> 02:56:32.360 I mean, okay, I'm okay with like five down, and 3645 02:56:32.440 --> 02:56:34.680 I think we got to talk about the top four. Yeah, 3646 02:56:37.040 --> 02:56:38.760 how you feeling about the five down? 3647 02:56:40.319 --> 02:56:41.479 Are you talking about five to ten? 3648 02:56:41.680 --> 02:56:41.920 Sorry? 3649 02:56:41.959 --> 02:56:43.399 I think five to ten looks good. 3650 02:56:46.440 --> 02:56:47.120 I can accept. 3651 02:56:47.319 --> 02:56:48.680 I hate to say it, but I don't think we're 3652 02:56:48.719 --> 02:56:49.920 getting Silent Hill any higher. 3653 02:56:50.000 --> 02:56:51.479 Mary, I don't think it's getting any higher. 3654 02:56:51.520 --> 02:56:54.040 I had a shit argument and I just spoiled parts 3655 02:56:54.079 --> 02:56:54.760 of the game. 3656 02:56:56.360 --> 02:56:58.040 And then I'll like, I'll see what the fuck you 3657 02:56:58.079 --> 02:56:59.799 guys are talking about and I'll be like, yeah, they were, 3658 02:57:00.360 --> 02:57:02.559 they were getting at some stuff. I just. 3659 02:57:05.559 --> 02:57:08.680 Yeah, I found it very refreshing. I'll say that. That's 3660 02:57:08.680 --> 02:57:10.280 the last thing I'll say. The fact that it's above 3661 02:57:10.319 --> 02:57:14.239 Ghosts of Yota is like incredibly high praise. Yeah, Yota 3662 02:57:14.399 --> 02:57:16.479 is my top in my top three of the year's 3663 02:57:17.079 --> 02:57:23.680 top five for me. Yeah, that's not saying we can't 3664 02:57:23.680 --> 02:57:25.399 fuck with five through ten, but like, I mean, I 3665 02:57:25.479 --> 02:57:26.159 think we can move on. 3666 02:57:26.399 --> 02:57:28.319 I think we can't fuck with five through ten. I 3667 02:57:28.360 --> 02:57:31.520 think you can fuck with four through one. I think 3668 02:57:31.680 --> 02:57:35.440 like if if you're really pushing for DK at that level, 3669 02:57:35.760 --> 02:57:39.520 that's the fucking highest it ever goes. I'm dead fucking serious, 3670 02:57:39.600 --> 02:57:41.600 and I'm like almost irritated about it. The fact that 3671 02:57:41.639 --> 02:57:45.440 it got this high is insane. Like picking at these games, 3672 02:57:45.479 --> 02:57:48.719 it's it's like, it's like we can, we can maneuver 3673 02:57:48.879 --> 02:57:51.239 these things, But like, how is K fucking top four? 3674 02:57:51.280 --> 02:57:53.440 As long as you're threatening us, like bring a better 3675 02:57:53.520 --> 02:57:54.879 argument next time that you want. 3676 02:57:54.719 --> 02:57:59.879 To really, oh, it's not verticality, Like that's not that's. 3677 02:58:04.760 --> 02:58:05.040 Middle. 3678 02:58:05.639 --> 02:58:07.440 Does it even stick the ending? You don't know? 3679 02:58:08.440 --> 02:58:13.399 Extremely from what I've heard, it does stick. 3680 02:58:13.440 --> 02:58:16.399 The hour is like it was some of the strongest 3681 02:58:16.600 --> 02:58:18.920 in the entire push in the middle section is because 3682 02:58:18.920 --> 02:58:19.600 I want to see the ending. 3683 02:58:19.639 --> 02:58:20.559 Is incredible of that game. 3684 02:58:20.680 --> 02:58:22.319 I heard it's like Inception Levels. 3685 02:58:22.479 --> 02:58:23.479 It's so fucking good. 3686 02:58:23.600 --> 02:58:26.399 Yes, so fourth through one this will be I think 3687 02:58:26.479 --> 02:58:28.920 Blueprints is going to be really nice. 3688 02:58:28.920 --> 02:58:30.239 I think Blueprints is number four A. 3689 02:58:30.559 --> 02:58:31.000 I'm with you. 3690 02:58:31.840 --> 02:58:35.680 It is awesome. Everyone I've ever talked to, including me, 3691 02:58:36.120 --> 02:58:38.200 like even the ones who loved the game so much, 3692 02:58:38.319 --> 02:58:40.120 they all kind of petered out at certain points, like wow, 3693 02:58:40.120 --> 02:58:42.559 there's more after the credits. This is almost maybe too 3694 02:58:42.600 --> 02:58:45.639 much of this game. I think it may be overstated 3695 02:58:45.680 --> 02:58:49.440 to welcome a little bit. I think it is number four, 3696 02:58:49.760 --> 02:58:52.280 and I think it's ordering the other three. 3697 02:58:57.280 --> 02:59:00.559 I'm in agreement that it should go down. I think 3698 02:59:00.840 --> 02:59:04.200 Blueprints is really brilliant with its design. I think there 3699 02:59:04.280 --> 02:59:06.520 is a point where I get a little frustrated about 3700 02:59:06.559 --> 02:59:09.319 the test of my time and its value. This will 3701 02:59:09.360 --> 02:59:11.799 probably come up with multiple games in our top four 3702 02:59:12.200 --> 02:59:15.040 of like how much does it value your time? But 3703 02:59:15.280 --> 02:59:18.000 in these other games, even if you lose or if 3704 02:59:18.040 --> 02:59:23.079 you have struggles, you're learning tactics, you're learning strategy, you're 3705 02:59:23.120 --> 02:59:27.040 learning gameplay. Sometimes in Blueprints, RNG is what it is, 3706 02:59:27.200 --> 02:59:29.440 and you just have a bad run. It feels bad 3707 02:59:29.559 --> 02:59:32.559 man to play like thirty minutes and lose because they 3708 02:59:32.639 --> 02:59:35.399 didn't they didn't give you the room you fucking needed. 3709 02:59:35.520 --> 02:59:36.120 That sucks. 3710 02:59:36.399 --> 02:59:40.319 Yeah, as much as I love that game, it's again 3711 02:59:40.399 --> 02:59:43.479 I mention it, I don't know what my number one 3712 02:59:43.520 --> 02:59:46.239 of the year is. Blueprints was a contender. There's times 3713 02:59:46.319 --> 02:59:49.319 later on after I'd found what room forty nine or whatever, 3714 02:59:49.319 --> 02:59:52.280 it was like it was like, I really like a 3715 02:59:52.319 --> 02:59:54.159 lot of what this game is doing. It's making me 3716 02:59:54.239 --> 02:59:57.920 think on different levels about the actual overall world. It's 3717 02:59:57.959 --> 03:00:01.040 making me kind of question how big it is, how 3718 03:00:01.440 --> 03:00:03.639 precise it can get. I love how there's puzzles within 3719 03:00:03.680 --> 03:00:06.159 puzzles within puzzles. I love how I'm finding Like Mary 3720 03:00:06.239 --> 03:00:07.959 mentioned this the first episode, you guys talked about it, 3721 03:00:08.000 --> 03:00:10.040 it's like you come across little bits that you think 3722 03:00:10.079 --> 03:00:12.639 are just like throwaway lore, and it's actually a really 3723 03:00:12.680 --> 03:00:14.959 crucial hint for a puzzle in a type of room 3724 03:00:14.959 --> 03:00:19.479 you don't unlock until like your thirtieth day. I love that, 3725 03:00:19.799 --> 03:00:23.319 But there's also later on I'm like questioning, I think 3726 03:00:23.360 --> 03:00:26.440 the game's too long the stuff you could do. I think, 3727 03:00:26.520 --> 03:00:29.559 like later on, it's like, I don't think the rogue 3728 03:00:29.600 --> 03:00:32.760 Light meets I don't even know how you describe it, 3729 03:00:32.840 --> 03:00:40.559 rogue light meets walking simulator meets house builder works later 3730 03:00:40.680 --> 03:00:42.840 on because again the RNG, which is kind of core 3731 03:00:42.959 --> 03:00:46.559 to a rogue light, ends up fucking you. And the 3732 03:00:46.680 --> 03:00:50.000 interesting stuff, which is I think so much that game 3733 03:00:50.120 --> 03:00:53.639 is incredible because you're like, all right, you're balancing inventory 3734 03:00:53.719 --> 03:00:56.879 management and your footsteps and your currency and the type 3735 03:00:56.879 --> 03:00:59.399 of rooms you're building and what you're served and the 3736 03:00:59.600 --> 03:01:03.319 other overall permanent upgrades you unlocked, like the mine or 3737 03:01:03.360 --> 03:01:08.639 the garage or the driveway. Sorry, that kind of dissipates 3738 03:01:08.799 --> 03:01:10.239 later on in the game. I just don't think it 3739 03:01:10.520 --> 03:01:12.520 there's not enough fuel to carry through the whole way. 3740 03:01:12.760 --> 03:01:17.200 I think there's a high that I got trying to 3741 03:01:17.360 --> 03:01:22.000 hit credits, right, Like getting to that end room was exhilarating, 3742 03:01:22.600 --> 03:01:25.719 and the moment where all the pieces fell into place 3743 03:01:25.799 --> 03:01:28.159 and I had enough keys and I had the gems 3744 03:01:28.719 --> 03:01:32.000 and the luck of the draw the RNG was working 3745 03:01:32.120 --> 03:01:33.680 for me, and I got to the end and I 3746 03:01:33.799 --> 03:01:37.000 was like, this is one of the best moments I 3747 03:01:37.040 --> 03:01:39.600 think I've ever experienced in games. It felt so good, 3748 03:01:39.959 --> 03:01:41.360 and then I got to the end and they were 3749 03:01:41.440 --> 03:01:44.840 like there's more, and I was like amazing. But I 3750 03:01:45.200 --> 03:01:49.639 never caught that high again. I still continued playing for 3751 03:01:49.719 --> 03:01:53.280 another ten to fifteen hours, but it never caught that 3752 03:01:53.600 --> 03:01:58.159 initial moment of getting to the end room. I think 3753 03:01:58.200 --> 03:02:01.280 to me one of the bummers was is like constructing 3754 03:02:01.360 --> 03:02:03.319 the game in such a way where once you hit 3755 03:02:03.559 --> 03:02:07.680 the credits, did you really need to keep going? How 3756 03:02:07.760 --> 03:02:09.920 did they keep pushing me? How did they encourage me 3757 03:02:10.000 --> 03:02:10.559 to keep playing? 3758 03:02:10.760 --> 03:02:13.319 It feels like in the first Star Wars, if like 3759 03:02:13.520 --> 03:02:15.399 they blew up the death Star and then it's like, yeah, 3760 03:02:15.440 --> 03:02:17.120 you want to watch like Luke hang out for a while. 3761 03:02:18.559 --> 03:02:20.120 Not really, it seemed pretty cool and the death start 3762 03:02:20.159 --> 03:02:22.680 Blue left you know like it could probably ended there. 3763 03:02:25.280 --> 03:02:27.319 Yeah, because I guess compared to like Hollow Night, which 3764 03:02:27.360 --> 03:02:29.399 once you quote unquote hit credits, like after that, there's 3765 03:02:29.440 --> 03:02:32.920 a fuck ton that's still really compelling. It's it's there. 3766 03:02:33.600 --> 03:02:37.079 The structure does not carry through for Blueprints, I'm fine 3767 03:02:37.120 --> 03:02:39.319 with that moving anywhere. I think I think I do 3768 03:02:39.399 --> 03:02:40.319 think it's top five. 3769 03:02:40.399 --> 03:02:41.479 I think it's top five. 3770 03:02:44.719 --> 03:02:45.280 Bonanza. 3771 03:02:46.360 --> 03:02:50.879 I think Blueprints is top, Michael do something. I think 3772 03:02:50.920 --> 03:02:53.280 Blueprints is. I love him. 3773 03:02:53.799 --> 03:02:57.479 I was with you, I was riding with you for Bonanza. 3774 03:02:58.239 --> 03:03:00.200 I think five is much. 3775 03:03:00.280 --> 03:03:01.879 We're gonna get fair enough, fair enough. 3776 03:03:02.239 --> 03:03:03.399 Let sleeping dogs lie. 3777 03:03:04.079 --> 03:03:06.520 I'm fine, I'm fine. Just sleeping dogs also a good game. 3778 03:03:06.559 --> 03:03:12.639 Let's put it on with a second. Mary was giving 3779 03:03:12.680 --> 03:03:14.520 me eyes in a way that I think she might 3780 03:03:14.600 --> 03:03:15.239 actually kill me. 3781 03:03:15.959 --> 03:03:17.040 So let's relay. 3782 03:03:17.280 --> 03:03:26.239 Okay, to calm down, astagonize it. He's sleeping, Okay, Okay's perfect. 3783 03:03:26.680 --> 03:03:30.399 No, I'm not sure. I think we do need to 3784 03:03:30.479 --> 03:03:33.440 have an honest conversation about Hades Too. I think it 3785 03:03:33.600 --> 03:03:37.159 is extremely good. I don't know if it's gody for me. 3786 03:03:39.280 --> 03:03:43.920 I think that Hades Too is incredibly additive to what 3787 03:03:44.079 --> 03:03:48.559 Hades did, But I always just kind of feel like 3788 03:03:48.600 --> 03:03:51.520 I'm playing Hades. Yes, it is. It is a better 3789 03:03:51.680 --> 03:03:56.360 version of Hades, but I I sometimes like revert back 3790 03:03:56.440 --> 03:03:59.159 to how I felt playing Hades and how incredible that 3791 03:03:59.239 --> 03:04:02.120 made us feel, and how that was our goaty. I 3792 03:04:02.239 --> 03:04:04.159 think that this is like rehashing a lot of what 3793 03:04:04.319 --> 03:04:08.479 Haites was, and I don't know if it's as additive 3794 03:04:08.680 --> 03:04:10.520 or as like explorative. I don't know if it's like 3795 03:04:10.639 --> 03:04:13.879 really changing the game as much as Hades one did, 3796 03:04:14.079 --> 03:04:16.799 and I think we should probably like we should have 3797 03:04:16.920 --> 03:04:19.559 that conversation of like is it is it really this 3798 03:04:19.799 --> 03:04:22.799 monumental game or is it just feeding us something up 3799 03:04:22.840 --> 03:04:23.440 we loved a lot. 3800 03:04:23.799 --> 03:04:26.479 It's giving us more of what we loved, Like Haites 3801 03:04:26.520 --> 03:04:28.600 one was our game of the year and whatever year 3802 03:04:28.639 --> 03:04:32.719 that was, and this is definitely more Hades and in 3803 03:04:32.799 --> 03:04:35.200 the hub world is like, oh, we're planting things and 3804 03:04:35.280 --> 03:04:38.000 then like all the incantations like building out the bar 3805 03:04:38.200 --> 03:04:40.239 and the fishing area and all of this sudden and 3806 03:04:40.360 --> 03:04:44.920 the challenges. There's a lot more Hades here. I do 3807 03:04:45.079 --> 03:04:48.920 think it's better than one in every way. I agree, 3808 03:04:49.559 --> 03:04:51.959 I really do. And like I said earlier, I do 3809 03:04:52.079 --> 03:04:53.879 think that going up and going out thing adds a 3810 03:04:53.920 --> 03:04:54.799 ton of variety to it. 3811 03:04:55.399 --> 03:04:58.280 I also want to put this out there. Last year, 3812 03:04:58.319 --> 03:05:01.120 our Game of the Year was in many ways more 3813 03:05:01.200 --> 03:05:04.040 Breath of the Wild. I obviously I'm being reductive there. 3814 03:05:04.040 --> 03:05:07.959 I think Tiers of the Kingdom did many big things 3815 03:05:08.000 --> 03:05:12.159 that didn't What was last year's Tears of the Kingdom 3816 03:05:12.200 --> 03:05:15.040 was two years ago? Oh my god, so two years 3817 03:05:15.079 --> 03:05:18.319 ago it was Tiers of the Kingdom. I think it's 3818 03:05:18.399 --> 03:05:22.040 like how meaningfully did it build on Hades and or 3819 03:05:22.239 --> 03:05:24.559 like was what how it built on it? Just enough 3820 03:05:24.639 --> 03:05:29.280 to make it feel impactful again, I love tasting too. 3821 03:05:29.879 --> 03:05:33.559 I played so much of that game. I saw almost 3822 03:05:33.639 --> 03:05:37.280 as much as I could. But but I do think, like, like, dude, 3823 03:05:37.479 --> 03:05:40.559 I could not, Like I skipped through so much of 3824 03:05:40.639 --> 03:05:44.239 that dialogue. I just didn't care, and like, not that 3825 03:05:44.440 --> 03:05:47.520 that makes that game bad, like it's still one of 3826 03:05:47.600 --> 03:05:51.920 my favorites, but I so like, but it's just like 3827 03:05:52.120 --> 03:05:56.680 that's so much. There's so much, and like every time 3828 03:05:56.760 --> 03:05:58.360 you finish a run, it's like, all right, I talked 3829 03:05:58.399 --> 03:06:01.319 to half those doors about something great, and it's just 3830 03:06:01.440 --> 03:06:03.559 like I just want to hit things with it. Yep. 3831 03:06:03.719 --> 03:06:06.920 It just was like almost I think Haities one was 3832 03:06:06.959 --> 03:06:08.680 a good balance of that well. I think like Hades 3833 03:06:08.719 --> 03:06:11.159 two has much better gameplay, much better like builds, and 3834 03:06:11.239 --> 03:06:14.000 much better weapons. I do think the balance between like 3835 03:06:14.280 --> 03:06:17.360 plot and gameplay and Haites one I thought was like 3836 03:06:17.600 --> 03:06:18.559 the perfect balance. 3837 03:06:19.840 --> 03:06:23.360 I just kind of skipped it all on both. It 3838 03:06:23.559 --> 03:06:24.600 seems pretty similar to me. 3839 03:06:25.559 --> 03:06:28.879 Yeah, uh but yeah, I mean I don't know that 3840 03:06:29.159 --> 03:06:30.719 I said all that just to say like, yeah, I 3841 03:06:30.719 --> 03:06:31.440 think you can go down. 3842 03:06:33.399 --> 03:06:35.000 It's the thing I'm thinking about a lot now as 3843 03:06:35.000 --> 03:06:36.799 I'm trying to figure out my personal top ten is 3844 03:06:36.879 --> 03:06:39.239 like I don't maybe Hades two is my number one. 3845 03:06:40.040 --> 03:06:42.840 I mean just as a game, as a rogue light, like, 3846 03:06:43.000 --> 03:06:45.639 I still think it's like this is the standard bearer 3847 03:06:45.799 --> 03:06:48.920 in the genre. You know, it's one of my favorite genres. 3848 03:06:48.920 --> 03:06:51.239 If it's not my favorite genre, Hell, this podcast, I 3849 03:06:51.280 --> 03:06:53.479 feel like, what between Returnal and Hades? 3850 03:06:53.520 --> 03:06:56.159 And yeah, we didn't even talk about it. Yeah, Hades 3851 03:06:56.280 --> 03:07:00.200 was such a brilliant It was such a which a 3852 03:07:00.639 --> 03:07:03.879 brilliant game for its genre, and we all knew it. 3853 03:07:04.360 --> 03:07:06.520 We knew at the moment we laid eyes on it, 3854 03:07:06.840 --> 03:07:11.200 we knew when we were talking what it was. And 3855 03:07:11.600 --> 03:07:14.319 I don't feel that way this year, where I'm like, yep, 3856 03:07:14.440 --> 03:07:18.280 it's just unquestionable. And this one I question like was 3857 03:07:18.360 --> 03:07:21.319 it so monumental? Was the impact higher? Did it add 3858 03:07:21.559 --> 03:07:24.479 so much more? Of course, it's a fucking slam dunk 3859 03:07:24.520 --> 03:07:24.879 of a game. 3860 03:07:24.959 --> 03:07:25.639 It's Hades. 3861 03:07:26.000 --> 03:07:29.600 Yeah, it's fucking Haites. We all loved that game. But 3862 03:07:29.719 --> 03:07:32.079 at this level you have to start asking yourself, like 3863 03:07:32.680 --> 03:07:36.840 was the was the additions so much more? Impactful than 3864 03:07:36.879 --> 03:07:38.760 what Expedition thirty three did. 3865 03:07:40.360 --> 03:07:43.000 You're right, because you know, Hades won was a revelation 3866 03:07:43.280 --> 03:07:45.479 like that was the first game of that type, of 3867 03:07:45.559 --> 03:07:48.760 that caliber we had really played. And this is while 3868 03:07:48.799 --> 03:07:51.319 I do think objectively better than the first game, in 3869 03:07:51.319 --> 03:07:52.959 every way it's almost a Breath of the Wild tiers 3870 03:07:53.000 --> 03:07:55.399 the Kingdom situation. I do think that Tears the Kingdom 3871 03:07:55.520 --> 03:07:58.840 in so many ways on paper is better than Breath 3872 03:07:58.879 --> 03:08:01.399 the Wild. Yeah, but how much do you factor in 3873 03:08:01.520 --> 03:08:04.559 that first time that like revery exactly, Yeah, And like 3874 03:08:04.639 --> 03:08:06.600 the first time we played Hades like, we hadn't played 3875 03:08:06.600 --> 03:08:09.479 anything quite like that. We've definitely played things like Hades two. 3876 03:08:09.639 --> 03:08:11.959 It was called Hades one. Yeah, And even though I 3877 03:08:12.000 --> 03:08:15.879 think it's better, it doesn't have the same impact, doesn't. 3878 03:08:15.680 --> 03:08:18.600 Have the same shock value that Expedition thirty three had 3879 03:08:18.639 --> 03:08:21.440 because no one was fucking expecting that. No one was 3880 03:08:21.559 --> 03:08:25.360 expecting that when you built these characters and experience these 3881 03:08:25.440 --> 03:08:28.280 stories that you could you could have this world building, 3882 03:08:28.399 --> 03:08:34.079 or you could the way that you have uh a 3883 03:08:34.399 --> 03:08:37.399 design in a turn based game where you actually have 3884 03:08:37.440 --> 03:08:39.719 to be on your toes and be ready with quick 3885 03:08:39.799 --> 03:08:41.799 time events, but not in an annoying way and an 3886 03:08:41.799 --> 03:08:43.360 actual fun way that makes sense. 3887 03:08:43.440 --> 03:08:45.680 Well, but they've done that in a lot of games 3888 03:08:45.719 --> 03:08:47.840 going by, like Paper Mario and Mario Vigini and stuff 3889 03:08:47.840 --> 03:08:50.200 and like, but I do think this is my favorite 3890 03:08:50.280 --> 03:08:52.719 version of that of like having that like interaction in 3891 03:08:53.319 --> 03:08:56.360 turn based battles. God, the perry's just felt better, Like 3892 03:08:56.440 --> 03:08:58.120 you know, it feels great when you perry something in 3893 03:08:58.159 --> 03:09:00.959 Paper Mario Jump dodge and then downwards when the whole 3894 03:09:01.319 --> 03:09:04.360 party down all hit back with something like it made 3895 03:09:04.399 --> 03:09:07.840 those is the best incredible Yeah, well yeah, while we're 3896 03:09:07.879 --> 03:09:10.000 on Expedition thirty three, I also think. 3897 03:09:12.159 --> 03:09:15.520 That game overall the fact that and like I love 3898 03:09:16.200 --> 03:09:18.399 RPGs where each character feels like they came from a 3899 03:09:18.440 --> 03:09:20.879 different game. This one is kind of like this is 3900 03:09:20.959 --> 03:09:21.719 the front runner for that. 3901 03:09:21.879 --> 03:09:25.440 Maybe you don't like the character that I didn't like, 3902 03:09:25.600 --> 03:09:27.840 and I thought that was really fascinating. 3903 03:09:27.360 --> 03:09:28.319 Like you have to learn. 3904 03:09:28.520 --> 03:09:30.840 It's like you get a new character and you're getting 3905 03:09:31.079 --> 03:09:33.360 with someone with a double sided size, what's her name? 3906 03:09:33.399 --> 03:09:35.200 The third character mile. 3907 03:09:38.159 --> 03:09:40.479 You get cl and you're like, fuck, this is like 3908 03:09:40.760 --> 03:09:42.319 at first it was a lot. You're like, she feels 3909 03:09:42.360 --> 03:09:44.159 like she came from a different game. Like where the 3910 03:09:44.239 --> 03:09:47.000 moves are different, building up the car like the Tarot 3911 03:09:47.079 --> 03:09:48.319 cards when you figure it out. 3912 03:09:48.559 --> 03:09:50.479 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's I'm saying. 3913 03:09:50.559 --> 03:09:52.559 She's my favorite character though, because like once like you 3914 03:09:52.719 --> 03:09:56.479 have to the fact that they have these different characters 3915 03:09:56.840 --> 03:10:01.040 who are all very very a metrical in their design, 3916 03:10:01.159 --> 03:10:04.479 and yet they can each contribute so strongly to the 3917 03:10:04.559 --> 03:10:08.239 combat is incredible. It feels almost like a strategy game 3918 03:10:08.280 --> 03:10:11.120 in which the factions are very asymmetrical and I'm learning 3919 03:10:11.159 --> 03:10:12.600 each of them. It feels like a different game each 3920 03:10:12.639 --> 03:10:14.920 time I play. It's like it goes between these characters 3921 03:10:14.959 --> 03:10:17.000 in combat, and each time it goes to a new character, 3922 03:10:17.159 --> 03:10:20.360 my brain has to like access a different wrinkle across 3923 03:10:20.879 --> 03:10:23.319 the way. It's like, oh fuck, Seal plays like this, 3924 03:10:23.399 --> 03:10:25.120 all right, Mile plays like this all right? Now, I 3925 03:10:25.200 --> 03:10:27.639 need to like fucking first characters the most boring. You 3926 03:10:27.680 --> 03:10:29.280 just build up his attacks and then you just go 3927 03:10:29.399 --> 03:10:31.440 all out. But he's kind of a one note character, 3928 03:10:31.520 --> 03:10:33.479 so it makes sense for him. But like there's so 3929 03:10:33.639 --> 03:10:36.319 much wrapping around that too. And like much as I 3930 03:10:36.360 --> 03:10:39.479 would say the pictos you can ignore them for long stretches, 3931 03:10:39.959 --> 03:10:43.079 I do still think similar to the Crest system if 3932 03:10:43.120 --> 03:10:45.440 you take the time to actually like acknowledge how much 3933 03:10:45.479 --> 03:10:48.319 they can change the game. The pictos you can break 3934 03:10:49.239 --> 03:10:52.040 Expedition thirty three really early on with each character. I 3935 03:10:52.079 --> 03:10:53.520 think that's one of my favorite things about it is 3936 03:10:53.520 --> 03:10:55.280 a bunch of people were like, ah, well, you know, 3937 03:10:55.520 --> 03:10:58.639 like you you're so overpowered for that final boss and 3938 03:10:58.680 --> 03:10:59.879 I'm like, yeah, it's sick. 3939 03:11:03.280 --> 03:11:05.120 Dialogue and I'm like, I don't give a ship. 3940 03:11:05.159 --> 03:11:07.360 I one shot at that, dude. One of my biggest 3941 03:11:07.399 --> 03:11:10.399 ship bron One of my biggest pet peeves in modern 3942 03:11:10.440 --> 03:11:12.280 games where I would argue, like the games that are 3943 03:11:12.319 --> 03:11:14.319 the most successful are the ones where developers are willing 3944 03:11:14.360 --> 03:11:18.799 to let you break a blatro returnal haities like Octopath. 3945 03:11:18.879 --> 03:11:21.239 It's like no, Like one of my biggest pet peeves 3946 03:11:21.280 --> 03:11:23.840 is when you do spend the time minmxing these characters 3947 03:11:23.879 --> 03:11:25.959 and making them way too powerful and you get to 3948 03:11:26.040 --> 03:11:28.440 the boss, they're like, oh no, that that ability doesn't 3949 03:11:28.440 --> 03:11:30.280 work because it's a boss and it wouldn't makes sense. 3950 03:11:31.680 --> 03:11:33.600 Thirty three is like, I you've earned it. 3951 03:11:33.719 --> 03:11:35.600 There were several buss Yes, you've earned it. You thought 3952 03:11:35.600 --> 03:11:37.399 about it, like there's time. There was days I was 3953 03:11:37.479 --> 03:11:40.600 shower burn like ten times. There's days I was there's 3954 03:11:40.680 --> 03:11:43.000 days I was showering. I'm like, oh my god, I 3955 03:11:43.079 --> 03:11:45.520 could make him so fucking powerful. And then like you 3956 03:11:45.639 --> 03:11:48.600 do it against a boss and they're like, yeah, I 3957 03:11:48.719 --> 03:11:50.920 guess we gave you these tools and we set these 3958 03:11:51.000 --> 03:11:53.440 rules out and you fucking smoked them in like three hits, 3959 03:11:53.600 --> 03:11:56.600 so sure, go for it. And that's like the whole 3960 03:11:56.719 --> 03:11:59.479 game is about this ex the first expedition that actually 3961 03:11:59.479 --> 03:12:02.239 has a chance to complete this like vicious cycle, and 3962 03:12:02.319 --> 03:12:06.959 then obviously leaving aside all the implications of the bifurcated ending, 3963 03:12:07.079 --> 03:12:11.079 but it's like I love that, Like it shows so 3964 03:12:11.159 --> 03:12:13.280 much more confidence in your game design when you're like 3965 03:12:13.440 --> 03:12:16.040 you give freedom to the players and you do not 3966 03:12:16.520 --> 03:12:20.440 like kind of yank the the leash at any point 3967 03:12:20.559 --> 03:12:22.840 when they're like actually kind of really pushing up against 3968 03:12:22.840 --> 03:12:26.440 the walls. That's awesome to me. And that was when 3969 03:12:26.479 --> 03:12:28.239 I was like, this game is fucking rad. 3970 03:12:28.360 --> 03:12:30.399 And I think there's so many ways, like with each 3971 03:12:30.559 --> 03:12:32.680 character you mentioned like being like from a different game 3972 03:12:32.719 --> 03:12:34.920 and everything with all their different systems, like that could 3973 03:12:34.959 --> 03:12:37.840 have so easily been overwhelming, Like I could I could 3974 03:12:37.879 --> 03:12:40.680 totally imagine a world where this game was like every 3975 03:12:40.719 --> 03:12:42.920 time I get a new character giving me way too 3976 03:12:43.000 --> 03:12:45.319 much of a tutorial and me being overwhelmed, me like 3977 03:12:45.360 --> 03:12:47.600 fuck this, I'm done with it. But like every one 3978 03:12:47.639 --> 03:12:49.760 of those main characters in your party has such a 3979 03:12:49.920 --> 03:12:53.719 different style of turn based combat, but they kind of 3980 03:12:53.760 --> 03:12:56.040 explain it quickly, and like even if you don't get 3981 03:12:56.079 --> 03:12:58.440 it right away, like remember the cl stuff, Like I 3982 03:12:58.479 --> 03:12:59.920 can't remember she. I think she was the son in 3983 03:13:00.040 --> 03:13:02.159 moon stuff, And like you build, you build up the 3984 03:13:02.600 --> 03:13:04.159 I forget what it was called. Like you would build 3985 03:13:04.239 --> 03:13:05.600 up a certain resource and then you. 3986 03:13:05.559 --> 03:13:09.280 Would you're jumbling too. You're building up the sun and 3987 03:13:09.360 --> 03:13:12.360 moon energy or something. Then you're spending spending that on 3988 03:13:13.399 --> 03:13:16.600 the cards that also the moon. You build up the 3989 03:13:16.680 --> 03:13:17.440 moon and burn. 3990 03:13:17.319 --> 03:13:19.920 The Yeah, yeah it's been it's been a while, but 3991 03:13:20.000 --> 03:13:22.040 like I remember like being at first like this seems 3992 03:13:22.079 --> 03:13:23.159 like a lot, but then you just like do a 3993 03:13:23.200 --> 03:13:25.000 few fights and it's like, oh, I think I'm starting 3994 03:13:25.040 --> 03:13:27.079 to get it. And like even if you don't fully 3995 03:13:27.120 --> 03:13:28.639 get it, you can still just kind of do attacks 3996 03:13:28.639 --> 03:13:31.159 and stuff. It is it eases you into this stuff, 3997 03:13:31.239 --> 03:13:33.159 and before you know it, you just kind of understand 3998 03:13:33.159 --> 03:13:36.440 how these different characters work and just every battle, like 3999 03:13:36.559 --> 03:13:39.520 I I feel like that's the thing that always turned 4000 03:13:39.559 --> 03:13:41.600 me off of the RPGs, is like you'd get into 4001 03:13:41.680 --> 03:13:43.799 random battles and things like that, and every fucking time 4002 03:13:43.879 --> 03:13:46.319 in a Final Fantasy seven or something goes under the fights, 4003 03:13:46.719 --> 03:13:48.360 I'm just gonna hit X, I'm gonna pick the same 4004 03:13:48.399 --> 03:13:49.440 fucking things, I'm gonna. 4005 03:13:49.239 --> 03:13:50.000 Be bored or whatever. 4006 03:13:50.399 --> 03:13:52.639 And every time I did, like I was seeking out 4007 03:13:52.799 --> 03:13:55.520 fights in this game because of all these systems and 4008 03:13:55.719 --> 03:13:58.600 the real time stuff in those fights and everything, Like 4009 03:13:58.719 --> 03:14:01.120 I felt engaged all the time, and these systems were 4010 03:14:01.159 --> 03:14:03.200 fun to play with and everything, and that is like, 4011 03:14:03.280 --> 03:14:06.319 I honestly don't think I've ever enjoyed a turn based 4012 03:14:06.719 --> 03:14:07.920 RPG more than this one. 4013 03:14:08.120 --> 03:14:12.280 I've never liked a turn based RPG in my life, 4014 03:14:12.399 --> 03:14:14.399 and I think you and I are probably similar on this. 4015 03:14:15.000 --> 03:14:18.959 The dialogue, the characters, oh, like, spare me. This was 4016 03:14:19.000 --> 03:14:21.840 the first time where I was like, maybe I don't 4017 03:14:22.000 --> 03:14:25.719 need to like learn everybody's fucking backstory and understand everything 4018 03:14:25.840 --> 03:14:29.280 to appreciate the fact that these people are dying every year, 4019 03:14:29.719 --> 03:14:33.079 lower and lower and they're trying to save their very skins. 4020 03:14:33.600 --> 03:14:38.319 It's cool to watch them die and have such an 4021 03:14:38.360 --> 03:14:44.920 incredible villain, the father figure, the Pierce Brosnan come in 4022 03:14:45.000 --> 03:14:46.440 and kind of like acts a character. 4023 03:14:46.559 --> 03:14:47.159 I really. 4024 03:14:51.000 --> 03:14:53.840 I loved that character and that kind of gutted me 4025 03:14:53.959 --> 03:14:56.760 a lot. Rebuilding and finding someone that I was like 4026 03:14:56.920 --> 03:14:59.440 half okay with but he wasn't the character I wanted. 4027 03:15:00.600 --> 03:15:02.799 Took a lot of rebuilding of trust for me to 4028 03:15:02.840 --> 03:15:06.600 to grow and adapt to a new person. This entire 4029 03:15:06.719 --> 03:15:09.159 game is like going back to like how we're talking 4030 03:15:09.159 --> 03:15:12.479 about Silent Hill f This game is a lot about 4031 03:15:12.639 --> 03:15:16.760 love and loss and coping. I think I think it 4032 03:15:16.879 --> 03:15:19.440 deals with it in a way where like for someone 4033 03:15:19.559 --> 03:15:21.959 like me who does not like a lot of bullshit, 4034 03:15:23.600 --> 03:15:25.600 I cared about these characters at the very end when 4035 03:15:25.639 --> 03:15:28.239 I had to make a very serious decision, I meant it. 4036 03:15:28.479 --> 03:15:30.959 I was very emotional about the decision that I made 4037 03:15:31.120 --> 03:15:34.520 and I had to live with it. And at the end, 4038 03:15:35.040 --> 03:15:37.760 I wasn't happy. I don't think anyone's probably happy at 4039 03:15:37.760 --> 03:15:40.479 the end of that game, but I it felt earned, 4040 03:15:40.639 --> 03:15:43.000 it felt honest. I was like, I'm okay with this. 4041 03:15:43.280 --> 03:15:45.319 I agree with like the direction they took this game. 4042 03:15:45.399 --> 03:15:47.159 I felt like I learned a lot. I grew a lot. 4043 03:15:47.680 --> 03:15:50.399 I saw those credits and I was like, I'm I 4044 03:15:50.479 --> 03:15:53.879 feel like very powerful with what they've given to me. 4045 03:15:54.799 --> 03:15:57.600 We're not the most like story heavy podcast, but some 4046 03:15:57.639 --> 03:15:59.799 one's accused us of this. We talked about people love 4047 03:15:59.879 --> 03:16:01.799 the fucking Haiti story. We were talking about skipping through 4048 03:16:01.840 --> 03:16:04.920 to whatever. I this is a turn based RBG, and 4049 03:16:05.159 --> 03:16:08.120 I loved the story. I cared about the characters, the 4050 03:16:08.239 --> 03:16:10.600 choice at the end you reference like it, like all 4051 03:16:10.680 --> 03:16:13.600 these characters were so well written, so well acted, Like 4052 03:16:13.799 --> 03:16:16.440 I actually was invested in what was going on here. 4053 03:16:16.719 --> 03:16:19.000 I'm watching the alternate endings and stuff like that, like 4054 03:16:19.120 --> 03:16:22.559 it is a remarkable achieved remarkable achie. I also like 4055 03:16:22.639 --> 03:16:24.000 talking about the multiple endings. 4056 03:16:24.040 --> 03:16:26.319 I feel like multiple endings in the vast majority of 4057 03:16:26.360 --> 03:16:28.360 video games that have them come down to like, oh, 4058 03:16:28.440 --> 03:16:30.680 who do you want to live or die? Or who 4059 03:16:30.799 --> 03:16:30.920 do you? 4060 03:16:31.000 --> 03:16:37.399 Oh? Like do you want to like Jedia this game? 4061 03:16:38.000 --> 03:16:40.840 I don't think it's like the most well written story 4062 03:16:41.000 --> 03:16:44.440 of any medium ever told. However, I appreciate that, like 4063 03:16:44.559 --> 03:16:46.920 the ending is more it's more complicated than just like 4064 03:16:46.959 --> 03:16:47.719 who lives or who dies? 4065 03:16:47.760 --> 03:16:49.040 It's like who's good and bad? 4066 03:16:49.159 --> 03:16:51.959 It's asking you, like, do you do you think it's 4067 03:16:52.000 --> 03:16:55.239 more important that someone has an illusion and they're happy 4068 03:16:55.639 --> 03:16:58.239 or if they know the truth and it might fucking 4069 03:16:58.360 --> 03:16:59.159 hurt them. Grow. 4070 03:16:59.479 --> 03:17:00.280 So it's actually asking. 4071 03:17:00.360 --> 03:17:02.239 It's not like I know there's people who are like, oh, 4072 03:17:02.280 --> 03:17:04.719 anybody who picks this sending is objectively a bad person, 4073 03:17:04.799 --> 03:17:09.799 like fuck it all the bad one, the one where 4074 03:17:09.840 --> 03:17:11.879 because they're like, oh, if you pick this one, you 4075 03:17:11.959 --> 03:17:16.120 effectively murder mile right, like yeah. 4076 03:17:16.159 --> 03:17:18.159 Wave male like going to the real world or whatever, 4077 03:17:18.719 --> 03:17:20.680 the blue pill red pill thing. No, no, no, no, 4078 03:17:20.920 --> 03:17:23.920 the opposite, if you maintain the painting the illusion you 4079 03:17:24.399 --> 03:17:26.799 staying the one where he's playing the piano and you're 4080 03:17:26.799 --> 03:17:27.399 a bad person. 4081 03:17:27.680 --> 03:17:29.959 Yeah, And I was like, you just know, you're just like, 4082 03:17:30.680 --> 03:17:32.760 who the fuck? Maybe we're in a painting right now, 4083 03:17:32.959 --> 03:17:35.479 is my Like like it's matrix like blue and red Pill. 4084 03:17:35.959 --> 03:17:37.639 But I just like appreciate that it's not just like 4085 03:17:37.719 --> 03:17:40.239 a dumb like, oh, do you want to side with 4086 03:17:40.600 --> 03:17:43.159 this this sort of hot villain or. 4087 03:17:43.120 --> 03:17:45.280 Do you want to side with this Like listen, there 4088 03:17:45.399 --> 03:17:46.440 there's a bunch of hot characters. 4089 03:17:46.719 --> 03:17:46.920 Yeah. 4090 03:17:46.920 --> 03:17:49.079 I mean, I agree with you, though, Like it's so 4091 03:17:49.159 --> 03:17:50.719 much harder to recognize this. 4092 03:17:50.840 --> 03:17:53.479 Character a while to figure out because I had to 4093 03:17:53.559 --> 03:17:58.600 go stuff what elaborate, I had to jail. 4094 03:18:00.280 --> 03:18:02.040 I hope we're not. I hope we're not. 4095 03:18:02.120 --> 03:18:02.319 On the. 4096 03:18:04.760 --> 03:18:08.079 If you're saying it, I'm not sorry. 4097 03:18:09.079 --> 03:18:13.639 I think it's important to respect morally gray characters and 4098 03:18:13.879 --> 03:18:17.719 nuanced storytelling that are they good or bad? Do you 4099 03:18:17.799 --> 03:18:20.639 want them to live or die? The choice that you're 4100 03:18:20.639 --> 03:18:22.920 given at the end of this game is important because 4101 03:18:23.040 --> 03:18:27.440 neither of them are morally correct, and it is up 4102 03:18:27.520 --> 03:18:31.040 into interpretation, and that is the fucking point, because the 4103 03:18:31.600 --> 03:18:34.200 point is for us to discuss those things and decide 4104 03:18:34.239 --> 03:18:37.239 what is meaningful to you. I actually believe that when 4105 03:18:37.280 --> 03:18:40.600 we discuss this, originally we had different endings. We chose 4106 03:18:40.719 --> 03:18:42.200 different things, and. 4107 03:18:42.360 --> 03:18:44.799 I don't think I fully understood the maintain. 4108 03:18:45.879 --> 03:18:49.399 And you guys maintained and I don't think I don't 4109 03:18:49.440 --> 03:18:51.159 think that you were wrong or right. I think the 4110 03:18:51.239 --> 03:18:53.840 point is is that we got a really good discussion 4111 03:18:54.040 --> 03:18:56.200 about why we chose them the way we did, and 4112 03:18:56.239 --> 03:18:58.639 whether or not we regretted it or changed your mind. 4113 03:18:59.079 --> 03:19:02.680 That is brilliant game design. It's brilliant game design to 4114 03:19:02.840 --> 03:19:05.639 make you make that choice and make you question your 4115 03:19:05.639 --> 03:19:08.799 own choice. And this game should probably be number one. 4116 03:19:09.719 --> 03:19:16.760 Yea, yeah, yeah, I stepped away for a bit though, 4117 03:19:16.959 --> 03:19:19.360 like haities two Hollow Night, do we want to like 4118 03:19:19.479 --> 03:19:21.559 figure out we didn't talk a lot about HOLLI Night. 4119 03:19:21.760 --> 03:19:26.399 I feel like this is the right believable talk about 4120 03:19:26.399 --> 03:19:26.719 Hollo Night. 4121 03:19:26.719 --> 03:19:28.159 I feel like we need to ignore the fact that, 4122 03:19:28.239 --> 03:19:30.799 like the internet was on fire over like dumb discourse 4123 03:19:30.840 --> 03:19:35.879 again some good difficult Oh that's I know. I'm just 4124 03:19:35.959 --> 03:19:38.040 saying every time, That's what I'm saying. So it's like 4125 03:19:38.079 --> 03:19:38.639 I don't play it. 4126 03:19:38.840 --> 03:19:40.680 But I think what's interesting though, is like you and 4127 03:19:40.760 --> 03:19:43.799 I were talking about the argument of like time wasted time, 4128 03:19:43.879 --> 03:19:45.799 if you're like frustrated with your time, if you feel 4129 03:19:45.840 --> 03:19:46.760 like you're lost your time. 4130 03:19:46.840 --> 03:19:48.760 We talked because when Plant was on, we talked about 4131 03:19:48.799 --> 03:19:50.200 we were talking about baby steps, and then we're like, 4132 03:19:50.239 --> 03:19:52.000 I guess we could talk the same about hollowits R. 4133 03:19:52.559 --> 03:19:54.120 And I think you can actually make that argument for 4134 03:19:54.159 --> 03:19:57.360 blueprints as well. The point is is like sometimes you 4135 03:19:57.559 --> 03:20:00.200 like make a run in blueprints and you don't get 4136 03:20:00.239 --> 03:20:01.840 the rang that you wanted and you waste it, and 4137 03:20:01.920 --> 03:20:04.719 that's frustrating. It's very frustrating to like work very hard 4138 03:20:04.799 --> 03:20:06.959 and very be very smart but not get what you 4139 03:20:07.040 --> 03:20:09.959 want because the game didn't work out. It's equally very 4140 03:20:10.239 --> 03:20:13.920 frustrating in Hollow Night to beat your head against a 4141 03:20:14.000 --> 03:20:18.040 wall with a boss that's very difficult, and they've made it. 4142 03:20:19.639 --> 03:20:24.760 The difficulty level is so high that the minor mistake 4143 03:20:24.959 --> 03:20:27.680 or any any issue, you're gonna die and you're gonna 4144 03:20:27.680 --> 03:20:29.559 to fucking go back through this runback. I think they're 4145 03:20:29.600 --> 03:20:34.799 both frustrating. It is my opinion that Hollow Night Silk 4146 03:20:34.879 --> 03:20:38.639 Song has higher highs because I am working so hard 4147 03:20:39.239 --> 03:20:42.280 to beat a boss. When I beat it, I know 4148 03:20:42.399 --> 03:20:45.239 it's because I worked very hard to learn every mechanic 4149 03:20:45.360 --> 03:20:50.079 I learned. I watched their attacks, I watched when I 4150 03:20:50.200 --> 03:20:52.959 was able to heal I had to learn. I have 4151 03:20:53.079 --> 03:20:57.319 a vivid memory about taking three hours to beat this 4152 03:20:57.520 --> 03:21:00.319 like Drill Boss, and it was such a bitch boss. 4153 03:21:00.399 --> 03:21:03.760 But after three hours, I was like, that is my victory. 4154 03:21:04.200 --> 03:21:08.239 For three hours, I fucking broke my face against this 4155 03:21:08.399 --> 03:21:10.760 and I did it, and I am amazing, and that 4156 03:21:10.959 --> 03:21:14.440 high sticks with me. It's very important to me more 4157 03:21:14.559 --> 03:21:18.959 than after the credits of Blueprints, specifically after that, like 4158 03:21:19.440 --> 03:21:23.360 the high of hitting the final room and Blueprints is extraordinary, 4159 03:21:23.639 --> 03:21:25.959 but after that, it never it never capped. I agree 4160 03:21:26.120 --> 03:21:30.159 every boss in Silk Song passed like the final box. 4161 03:21:30.680 --> 03:21:32.680 You're like, I'm a god, I'm a golden god. I 4162 03:21:32.799 --> 03:21:34.440 had to work extremely hard to do this, and so 4163 03:21:34.600 --> 03:21:37.840 I am. I think that game is where it should be. 4164 03:21:38.440 --> 03:21:41.239 I welcome arguments for it, but I think I think 4165 03:21:41.280 --> 03:21:43.920 it rewards a goddamn dedicated gamer. 4166 03:21:44.079 --> 03:21:47.159 It is one of the best metro adveniers of all time, definitely, 4167 03:21:47.600 --> 03:21:50.440 like among the great grades, the super Metroids and Sympony 4168 03:21:50.479 --> 03:21:54.200 the Knights. It's incredible, but it's not perfect for reasons 4169 03:21:54.239 --> 03:21:55.920 we talked about, and like, I do think some of 4170 03:21:55.959 --> 03:21:57.840 the complaints about the runbacks and stuff like that, and 4171 03:21:57.920 --> 03:22:00.559 the difficulty, like, sure, I get it, and those peoples 4172 03:22:00.559 --> 03:22:02.120 are pretty high for a lot of those bosses, But 4173 03:22:02.840 --> 03:22:04.360 what you were just saying about, like when you get 4174 03:22:04.399 --> 03:22:06.760 that win, you're not thinking about like, no, they did 4175 03:22:06.879 --> 03:22:09.000 a little too much HP. It's like I fucking did it. 4176 03:22:09.200 --> 03:22:11.280 I yeah, I said that on the episode after I 4177 03:22:11.360 --> 03:22:11.600 think it. 4178 03:22:11.760 --> 03:22:15.360 After it released, I was like, the peaks are so 4179 03:22:15.600 --> 03:22:19.719 high and so impactful that I forgive all the very 4180 03:22:20.000 --> 03:22:22.159 very many little things I don't like about the game. 4181 03:22:22.920 --> 03:22:25.479 It I think I mentioned this every game of the year. 4182 03:22:25.520 --> 03:22:28.040 It's like it comes down to, like, do you value 4183 03:22:28.879 --> 03:22:32.040 consistent greatness or do you value higher peaks? So like 4184 03:22:32.760 --> 03:22:35.200 it's The Sopranos versus The Wire. For me, it's like, 4185 03:22:35.239 --> 03:22:39.200 I think The Wire is a is consistently a great show, 4186 03:22:39.520 --> 03:22:42.280 whereast The Sopranos has some real low valleys, but the 4187 03:22:42.399 --> 03:22:43.440 peaks are so high. 4188 03:22:43.680 --> 03:22:45.239 It's like, do you which do you value? 4189 03:22:46.200 --> 03:22:49.079 Yeah, I feel like Hades two is more consistently a 4190 03:22:49.280 --> 03:22:50.680 very good game than Hollow Night. 4191 03:22:50.840 --> 03:22:54.159 However, Hollow Night's peaks are way the fuck up there. 4192 03:22:54.440 --> 03:22:55.639 You wouldn't put All the Night above. 4193 03:22:56.079 --> 03:22:58.360 No, I think we're talking. 4194 03:22:58.479 --> 03:23:01.319 It's that's I'm saying, like, what do you value more? 4195 03:23:01.520 --> 03:23:06.079 I I personally think haities. I think the order is 4196 03:23:06.120 --> 03:23:09.399 correct right now. Again, I think Hollow Knight like my. 4197 03:23:09.760 --> 03:23:12.040 Knee jerk is that Hades is better than Hollow Nite. 4198 03:23:12.079 --> 03:23:13.760 But like there's an argument. 4199 03:23:15.600 --> 03:23:18.079 I think there is a world in which these are both. 4200 03:23:18.280 --> 03:23:22.239 These are both sequels to incredible fucking games that are 4201 03:23:22.760 --> 03:23:26.360 genre breaking. The world talks about them. We all love 4202 03:23:26.399 --> 03:23:33.280 the originals. I think that Hollow Knight adds more Silk 4203 03:23:33.319 --> 03:23:37.479 Song adds more to that world than Hades two adds 4204 03:23:37.520 --> 03:23:37.879 to Haiti. 4205 03:23:38.040 --> 03:23:40.440 Oh, Silk Song is way more. 4206 03:23:43.319 --> 03:23:46.000 It's a bigger world. They add more to the game design, 4207 03:23:46.239 --> 03:23:50.200 they add more to the mechanics, push the level. The 4208 03:23:50.319 --> 03:23:54.120 level design is better, the boss fights are more incredible. 4209 03:23:54.239 --> 03:23:54.600 I think. 4210 03:23:56.360 --> 03:23:57.639 They push it a step further. 4211 03:23:57.840 --> 03:24:00.799 I think Hades where I'm at. I think Hades two 4212 03:24:00.879 --> 03:24:04.120 is a better game. I think Hallownite Silk Song is 4213 03:24:04.200 --> 03:24:07.680 a better like on the continuum of like Hollow Night, 4214 03:24:07.959 --> 03:24:10.159 the first game and the sequel. 4215 03:24:11.760 --> 03:24:14.799 Hallow Night takes bigger swings, you know. 4216 03:24:15.040 --> 03:24:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I I as much as 4217 03:24:19.040 --> 03:24:22.120 I like detest many parts of Silk Song, and I 4218 03:24:22.200 --> 03:24:25.559 think like people ignore them, I also like I'm right 4219 03:24:25.639 --> 03:24:27.200 there when people are like, yeah, these were some of 4220 03:24:27.239 --> 03:24:30.559 the best moments ever, I'm like, yeah, it's it's really, 4221 03:24:30.840 --> 03:24:33.399 really fucking good. I still think this order is correct, 4222 03:24:33.440 --> 03:24:35.920 but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna like throw a 4223 03:24:36.000 --> 03:24:37.559 fit if Hallownight goes up. Yeah. 4224 03:24:37.760 --> 03:24:40.200 I do think the closest thing is Hades and Hollowite, 4225 03:24:40.360 --> 03:24:42.959 Like that could go either way, I think, but I 4226 03:24:43.000 --> 03:24:45.840 think the rift is exactly where it should be. 4227 03:24:46.079 --> 03:24:48.159 Yeah, I'm not I don't think I'm arguing for much 4228 03:24:48.200 --> 03:24:49.680 of anything, and I don't think I would like fight 4229 03:24:49.799 --> 03:24:53.040 tooth and nail. I will make a final case that 4230 03:24:53.159 --> 03:24:56.120 I think I think Hades to a lot of people 4231 03:24:56.200 --> 03:24:58.639 have generally said, and even this crew has generally said 4232 03:24:58.680 --> 03:25:02.200 that Hades two is just like Hella more Haites. It's 4233 03:25:02.280 --> 03:25:05.520 so good and it's so smooth. I think Hollow Knight 4234 03:25:05.719 --> 03:25:10.040 built upon a solid ray foundation. I think it. I 4235 03:25:10.120 --> 03:25:13.159 think it made a fucking universe. Can I just say it, like, 4236 03:25:13.239 --> 03:25:16.680 there's a point to where it rocks you Haities two. 4237 03:25:16.920 --> 03:25:20.360 I'm never like shocked, but there's a point in Hollow 4238 03:25:20.520 --> 03:25:23.440 Night where you're fucking captured and you wake up in 4239 03:25:23.600 --> 03:25:26.760 jail and you get nothing, and you're like, all right, 4240 03:25:26.959 --> 03:25:28.719 and you have to find your You have to fucking 4241 03:25:28.920 --> 03:25:34.079 claw and scratch your way out of that place. Is 4242 03:25:34.399 --> 03:25:38.920 so sick to get your wings. They make you fucking 4243 03:25:39.799 --> 03:25:44.559 they make you scratch for everything, like you really earn 4244 03:25:44.680 --> 03:25:46.120 your stripes in that game. 4245 03:25:46.280 --> 03:25:49.040 I will say, uh, with Hades two. The entire time 4246 03:25:49.079 --> 03:25:51.000 I played that game, I was just like, I am 4247 03:25:51.079 --> 03:25:52.639 loving this, I'm having a good time. It was kind 4248 03:25:52.639 --> 03:25:54.360 of like it was a hum that was like very 4249 03:25:54.639 --> 03:25:56.559 high up here. I felt great the whole time. Yeah, 4250 03:25:56.680 --> 03:25:58.559 Callow Knight was the thing where it's like I would 4251 03:25:58.559 --> 03:26:01.200 be like I was yelling, you know. It's it's the 4252 03:26:01.239 --> 03:26:04.239 way I haven't done since Eldin Ring where I am 4253 03:26:04.440 --> 03:26:06.559 just like, god fucking down with these bosses and like 4254 03:26:06.600 --> 03:26:08.600 I got I thought I had this. I thought I 4255 03:26:08.680 --> 03:26:11.319 had these patterns memorized and with some fucking horseshit and 4256 03:26:11.360 --> 03:26:13.239 you did this thing or whatever, Like there were so 4257 03:26:13.520 --> 03:26:16.479 many bosses. I am not someone when I'm playing by 4258 03:26:16.559 --> 03:26:18.959 myself and I'm not on camera or anything that's like 4259 03:26:19.360 --> 03:26:22.280 yelling at a game and getting like emotionally involved that way. 4260 03:26:22.600 --> 03:26:25.959 I was fucking yelling for like fifty hours playing Silk Song, 4261 03:26:26.159 --> 03:26:27.840 and I see that as a good thing. 4262 03:26:27.959 --> 03:26:28.479 I love it. 4263 03:26:28.639 --> 03:26:32.440 I love your emotion I have. I have strong guttural 4264 03:26:32.520 --> 03:26:35.840 reactions to Hunter's March. There are these times in Hunter 4265 03:26:35.959 --> 03:26:38.319 March where you get past the section of platforming and 4266 03:26:38.440 --> 03:26:41.559 you say, oh, surely there's a bench. 4267 03:26:41.479 --> 03:26:43.040 Pre oh my god. 4268 03:26:44.000 --> 03:26:46.200 You get into the bench and then the thing like yeah, 4269 03:26:46.280 --> 03:26:48.959 that's like sends forts some dark souls one ship, and 4270 03:26:49.079 --> 03:26:50.840 I'm like I I literally like went out to the 4271 03:26:50.879 --> 03:26:54.159 living room, like Amanda's like, are you still playing Hollow Night, 4272 03:26:54.159 --> 03:26:55.559 I was like, no, I'm never playing that game again. 4273 03:26:55.680 --> 03:26:59.479 And then like that night, of course, after playing fucking. 4274 03:26:59.319 --> 03:27:02.479 Bilewater, youah so hard to get up there and you 4275 03:27:02.639 --> 03:27:04.600 sit in the fucking chair and then just falls. 4276 03:27:04.760 --> 03:27:07.000 It's I that's good. 4277 03:27:07.280 --> 03:27:10.200 The emotions that it elicits from you is so much 4278 03:27:10.319 --> 03:27:12.639 higher than the emotions I had in Hades two. Did 4279 03:27:12.719 --> 03:27:15.000 I say yes? I liked Hades two all the time 4280 03:27:15.280 --> 03:27:16.719 ever since I played eighty two. I was like, I 4281 03:27:16.920 --> 03:27:19.360 like this, this is good. But did I ever scream 4282 03:27:19.440 --> 03:27:21.479 at the top of my lungs. Did I ever like 4283 03:27:21.639 --> 03:27:24.079 say to myself, you're the fucking best, or like maybe 4284 03:27:24.120 --> 03:27:28.559 you should give up? I felt the highs and lows 4285 03:27:28.680 --> 03:27:31.760 of every gamer when I played that. I think I 4286 03:27:31.840 --> 03:27:34.680 think it pushed me to my core. Is it perfect? No, 4287 03:27:35.760 --> 03:27:38.719 But I think it pushes you emotionally, and that is 4288 03:27:38.799 --> 03:27:42.680 a victory, that is a triumph that should be rewarded. 4289 03:27:43.440 --> 03:27:44.879 I think it's just incredible. 4290 03:27:45.200 --> 03:27:47.719 I really really don't like the idea of runbacks, like 4291 03:27:47.879 --> 03:27:53.479 I think. I think that team Cherry is so often 4292 03:27:53.600 --> 03:27:56.440 moving the goalposts in that game that I feel like 4293 03:27:56.479 --> 03:27:58.559 I know what the goal is and then they're like Nope, 4294 03:27:58.600 --> 03:28:00.479 that's not what it was. You had idea, and that 4295 03:28:00.559 --> 03:28:02.360 can be powerful. Like then all of a sudden you're like, 4296 03:28:02.399 --> 03:28:04.959 I got to the bench and the falls through. It 4297 03:28:05.040 --> 03:28:14.280 could be frustrating. I also think, I again, you get 4298 03:28:14.319 --> 03:28:18.159 the moments in that game where it's so fucking cathartic 4299 03:28:18.280 --> 03:28:20.360 that you just beat something, You're like, holy shit, I 4300 03:28:20.440 --> 03:28:21.319 accomplished something. 4301 03:28:22.000 --> 03:28:22.040 That. 4302 03:28:22.200 --> 03:28:24.760 Again, in hindsight, I forgive a lot of little things 4303 03:28:24.799 --> 03:28:26.239 that I was like, oh man, I don't even like 4304 03:28:26.360 --> 03:28:29.639 how that there was not a compelling area to explore 4305 03:28:29.799 --> 03:28:33.360 from a three D platforming or exploration perspective. I think 4306 03:28:33.360 --> 03:28:36.040 a lot of times like I feel like I've heard 4307 03:28:36.040 --> 03:28:38.440 people glaze Team Sherry a bit and I'm like, I 4308 03:28:38.680 --> 03:28:42.600 think they have faults. But like, again, looking back at 4309 03:28:42.600 --> 03:28:44.520 the Sopranos thing, it's like, Spron's one of my favorite 4310 03:28:44.520 --> 03:28:47.360 shows of all time because despite the fucking Christopher Columbus episode, 4311 03:28:47.639 --> 03:28:50.159 they also have Made in America, which is like one 4312 03:28:50.200 --> 03:28:52.840 of the best episodes of TV ever. So like, what 4313 03:28:52.959 --> 03:28:54.520 do I think about when I think about the Sopranos, 4314 03:28:54.559 --> 03:28:57.840 I think about those highs. So it's like, again, I 4315 03:28:58.000 --> 03:29:01.280 don't think Silksong is in any way the most consistently 4316 03:29:01.360 --> 03:29:04.680 good game I've ever played, especially even this year. Haities 4317 03:29:04.680 --> 03:29:07.079 two was consistently Dan you mentioned like a home is 4318 03:29:07.120 --> 03:29:09.360 a really good way to phrase it. It's like it was. 4319 03:29:09.639 --> 03:29:11.600 I was on the same wavelength with it the whole time. 4320 03:29:12.280 --> 03:29:15.239 But again, like Silk Song is more of an EKG 4321 03:29:15.639 --> 03:29:17.920 of someone who was like fucking having a heart Attade 4322 03:29:18.360 --> 03:29:23.799 was like this that Silk Song, its best moments are 4323 03:29:23.959 --> 03:29:26.639 unlike anything I've played this year or in many years. 4324 03:29:26.639 --> 03:29:28.520 I do think the EKG thing, I think that is 4325 03:29:28.639 --> 03:29:31.920 more interesting than the hut Oh you know so, I honestly, 4326 03:29:32.200 --> 03:29:36.479 after this conversation, I could see Silk Song going to two. Yes, 4327 03:29:36.639 --> 03:29:37.840 I I'm fine with that. 4328 03:29:37.920 --> 03:29:40.079 I think that's a more I don't like it more 4329 03:29:40.079 --> 03:29:42.760 than Expedition thirty three, and no like, nope, nope. 4330 03:29:43.840 --> 03:29:46.440 I'm not going to fool myself into thinking that I 4331 03:29:46.520 --> 03:29:50.440 can get Silk Song to go to eat but which. 4332 03:29:50.319 --> 03:29:51.879 There's a world. But if you want to talk to 4333 03:29:51.920 --> 03:29:56.120 you about Bonanza being number one, let it go. Going 4334 03:29:56.159 --> 03:29:58.879 to bed in the morning, this is when I check out. 4335 03:29:59.000 --> 03:30:01.879 Silks Song is is my goady and there's a lot 4336 03:30:01.959 --> 03:30:03.440 of reasons for it, and I agree with you. It's 4337 03:30:03.479 --> 03:30:08.479 not perfect, but I think I think the feelings that 4338 03:30:08.559 --> 03:30:12.040 it elicited in me is why I fight so hard 4339 03:30:12.120 --> 03:30:15.360 for it. It is incredible that it is that it 4340 03:30:15.399 --> 03:30:18.959 has made me feel the way I feel when I 4341 03:30:19.040 --> 03:30:27.200 play it angry, scared, sad, alone, joyous, triumphant. Its highs 4342 03:30:27.280 --> 03:30:32.000 are absolutely unstoppable. I feel stronger when I play when 4343 03:30:32.000 --> 03:30:34.000 I'm like, oh, what game am I going to play again? 4344 03:30:34.639 --> 03:30:36.120 What play game am I going to play? When I 4345 03:30:36.200 --> 03:30:39.120 leave here, I'm going to continue to play Silk Song. 4346 03:30:39.159 --> 03:30:42.639 I want to continue that journey. I've beaten Expedition thirty three. 4347 03:30:43.159 --> 03:30:45.239 I don't think all new game plus it. I don't 4348 03:30:45.239 --> 03:30:48.079 think I'll play it again. That was a very powerful 4349 03:30:48.120 --> 03:30:50.159 journey and I'm proud of it. I'm glad I finished it. 4350 03:30:51.000 --> 03:30:54.239 I will be still thinking about Silk Song forever. I 4351 03:30:54.280 --> 03:30:56.680 will be thinking about this game for the next five years. 4352 03:30:56.840 --> 03:30:59.159 Yeah, I'm not gonna think to your point, like I 4353 03:30:59.559 --> 03:31:01.840 you know, as much as I hated Act Through, not 4354 03:31:02.000 --> 03:31:04.639 hated act Through Silk Song, but I as frustrated as 4355 03:31:04.639 --> 03:31:06.959 I was. The second I finished that, I was like, well, 4356 03:31:07.000 --> 03:31:10.399 I'm gonna play again on switch and like immediately grab 4357 03:31:10.520 --> 03:31:14.360 my switch and started playing through again. I also, I 4358 03:31:14.479 --> 03:31:17.319 also last thing I'll say, I appreciate how Silksong kind 4359 03:31:17.319 --> 03:31:19.760 of feels like an antidote to I mean, we have 4360 03:31:20.040 --> 03:31:23.440 Megabonka number nine, Like I think there's this, there's this 4361 03:31:23.600 --> 03:31:25.959 genre of game, not genre, many genres that are kind 4362 03:31:25.959 --> 03:31:30.399 of capitalizing on this, like tune out, play this game passively, 4363 03:31:30.520 --> 03:31:32.840 and you'll still be making progress and ranking up. 4364 03:31:32.879 --> 03:31:34.440 I think I'm not saying that's bad. I think it's 4365 03:31:34.440 --> 03:31:34.920 a place for that. 4366 03:31:35.319 --> 03:31:37.319 It's the Airplane game, like right, Like that's what I 4367 03:31:37.399 --> 03:31:39.719 want to melt ours. I appreciate this Silk Song is 4368 03:31:39.799 --> 03:31:42.920 kind of like fuck that we want you engaged every 4369 03:31:42.959 --> 03:31:44.680 step of the way, whether it's good or bad. I 4370 03:31:44.799 --> 03:31:46.520 want you to actually like come to this. We don't 4371 03:31:46.520 --> 03:31:50.040 want it to be like merely addictive and compelling in 4372 03:31:50.159 --> 03:31:52.879 an immediate sense. We want this to actually be a 4373 03:31:52.959 --> 03:31:54.159 range of emotions. And I love that. 4374 03:31:54.280 --> 03:31:54.879 That's yeah. 4375 03:31:55.159 --> 03:31:57.159 I do feel like games are gonna keep going the 4376 03:31:57.840 --> 03:32:00.399 former way for a while, and I appear appreciate that 4377 03:32:00.479 --> 03:32:02.600 Silk Songs like now we're gonna swim against the tide 4378 03:32:02.600 --> 03:32:05.120 on this one, and we're gonna like whatever people. People 4379 03:32:05.120 --> 03:32:07.840 are gonna hate us as we clearly seen, like fucking 4380 03:32:08.000 --> 03:32:12.000 people have a lot of problems with the challenge level 4381 03:32:12.000 --> 03:32:12.159 of this. 4382 03:32:12.239 --> 03:32:15.959 Game, but it is a challenging game, and I think 4383 03:32:16.079 --> 03:32:21.239 like that can be debatable of like it's it's it's 4384 03:32:21.399 --> 03:32:24.079 merit when you're beating your head against a wall, Like 4385 03:32:24.680 --> 03:32:26.879 is that is that how you want to spend your time? 4386 03:32:27.120 --> 03:32:30.639 That's like the biggest detriment I hear against it, which 4387 03:32:30.680 --> 03:32:33.399 is like, man, I like just don't want to go 4388 03:32:33.559 --> 03:32:37.159 against a boss for four hours. I respect that there's 4389 03:32:37.479 --> 03:32:40.520 so much time you can spend in this game up 4390 03:32:40.600 --> 03:32:43.879 leveling your character, just getting beads that you can spend 4391 03:32:43.920 --> 03:32:49.319 them on shops. When you play with different buildouts, different 4392 03:32:49.680 --> 03:32:52.719 character builds, you will find that maybe that boss isn't 4393 03:32:52.760 --> 03:32:55.719 so difficult. You do have to challenge yourself as a 4394 03:32:55.760 --> 03:32:58.159 player to say, maybe I shouldn't be playing the same 4395 03:32:58.200 --> 03:32:59.920 web and fucking playing for the last. 4396 03:33:00.360 --> 03:33:02.000 Buy a water boss, and once I put on this 4397 03:33:02.000 --> 03:33:03.239 ship where it's like I can hang out in the 4398 03:33:03.239 --> 03:33:04.680 poison water and be fine. I can just be a 4399 03:33:04.719 --> 03:33:06.440 little shit hanging out in the poison and like a 4400 03:33:06.479 --> 03:33:08.479 little in the poison. Yeah. 4401 03:33:08.959 --> 03:33:11.879 Once you learn like there's areas where you can prevent 4402 03:33:12.000 --> 03:33:14.639 poison or fire damage. There's an area where, like you 4403 03:33:14.760 --> 03:33:17.920 can put on an armor that prevents fire damage, and 4404 03:33:18.000 --> 03:33:22.239 it's just like you, I understand the frustration of that area. 4405 03:33:23.440 --> 03:33:26.879 You can get past that once you learn the different 4406 03:33:27.000 --> 03:33:28.440 things that you need to get past it. 4407 03:33:28.559 --> 03:33:31.719 I think an cockering of time level shit like going 4408 03:33:31.760 --> 03:33:33.760 to death mountainy out the red tunic, yours? 4409 03:33:33.799 --> 03:33:35.840 Yeah, doctor, go run anyway. 4410 03:33:35.920 --> 03:33:37.680 I don't think it's probably gonna get any higher. 4411 03:33:37.799 --> 03:33:41.159 So yeah, I think would you want to like I 4412 03:33:41.360 --> 03:33:42.959 like this ranking. I like this a lot. 4413 03:33:43.079 --> 03:33:46.120 I could make a case. I my I've said it already. 4414 03:33:46.239 --> 03:33:48.079 My personal game of the year is Silk Song. I 4415 03:33:48.159 --> 03:33:50.040 think it is the best game of this year. I 4416 03:33:50.200 --> 03:33:53.520 think that it will be very difficult to get it 4417 03:33:53.639 --> 03:33:59.719 above Expedition thirty three. I also think Claire Obscure is phenomenal, 4418 03:34:00.040 --> 03:34:02.000 and I'm not angry with it being at number one. 4419 03:34:02.079 --> 03:34:04.200 I'm okay with this. I am okay with this. I 4420 03:34:04.280 --> 03:34:05.879 got no problems with it. If you want me to 4421 03:34:05.920 --> 03:34:08.479 make a case, i'll try. I don't think it's happening. 4422 03:34:09.799 --> 03:34:12.079 I think it's done very well. I'm not angry about it. 4423 03:34:12.239 --> 03:34:17.520 I like this. I like Banana Blueprints. No no, no, 4424 03:34:18.079 --> 03:34:19.600 that's when I would leave THEA. 4425 03:34:20.000 --> 03:34:22.600 I think we could try switch. We could probably switch 4426 03:34:23.559 --> 03:34:26.040 MEGABONK and Donkey Kong Bonanza. 4427 03:34:27.399 --> 03:34:27.879 I like this. 4428 03:34:28.680 --> 03:34:32.399 You know this is our list? I think our list? Yeah, 4429 03:34:32.600 --> 03:34:36.399 can we read them? No one, Let's start with you 4430 03:34:36.520 --> 03:34:39.520 with ten and then go to Marry so she could say, 4431 03:34:42.079 --> 03:34:44.680 you said, I say blueprints, So that's my number. Ten 4432 03:34:44.959 --> 03:34:45.879 is Metroid Prime. 4433 03:34:46.000 --> 03:34:50.280 Four, Number nine is MEGABONK. 4434 03:34:50.879 --> 03:34:55.239 Number eight is Peak, Number seven is Ghost of Yota. 4435 03:34:55.799 --> 03:34:57.399 Number six is Silent Hill. 4436 03:34:57.479 --> 03:34:59.840 F Number five is Bonanza. 4437 03:35:00.200 --> 03:35:02.440 I'm sorry, what's it's full name? 4438 03:35:02.520 --> 03:35:02.760 Please? 4439 03:35:03.399 --> 03:35:10.799 DK Bonanza, Donkey Kongress, is government care about it? 4440 03:35:11.399 --> 03:35:15.799 Number four Blue Prince Sorry. Number three is hades to Sorry. 4441 03:35:15.840 --> 03:35:17.760 I thought Mary would be on that. Mary say it, 4442 03:35:18.799 --> 03:35:21.840 Blue Prince, No, No, No. Number two is Going Smooth, 4443 03:35:22.000 --> 03:35:27.079 Hollow Night, Silk Song, and number one Jake Clare Obscure 4444 03:35:27.159 --> 03:35:30.440 Expedition threty three nice. I also want to point out 4445 03:35:30.600 --> 03:35:34.639 the poetic beauty of the fact that we have a 4446 03:35:34.840 --> 03:35:36.639 role playing game at number one for Fire. 4447 03:35:38.360 --> 03:35:39.120 That's crazy. 4448 03:35:39.360 --> 03:35:41.200 I think I know. 4449 03:35:43.920 --> 03:35:47.520 It's it's really a game. 4450 03:35:47.600 --> 03:35:52.120 No no, no, no, no no, we're sand Fall Champagne 4451 03:35:52.280 --> 03:35:56.319 we've been we've been uh working under sand Fall Studios. 4452 03:35:56.399 --> 03:35:57.799 Is our pen name. 4453 03:35:58.079 --> 03:35:59.760 No, no, no no. I just think it's cool that 4454 03:36:00.639 --> 03:36:03.360 like a strategic turn based game, guy number one. It's 4455 03:36:03.559 --> 03:36:07.000 so it's undeniable. That's the least dewey game that's won. 4456 03:36:07.079 --> 03:36:08.719 I think it's a very dowey game. But I think 4457 03:36:08.760 --> 03:36:10.520 it's the most talkie game that's won our Game of 4458 03:36:10.559 --> 03:36:14.040 the Year. God, it's turn based RPG, and none of 4459 03:36:14.120 --> 03:36:15.280 us are upset about it. 4460 03:36:15.479 --> 03:36:19.239 Yeah, it's it's an incredible accomplishment, and they they, uh, 4461 03:36:19.600 --> 03:36:21.639 we've also been talking about like games that sound really good. 4462 03:36:21.840 --> 03:36:25.360 There's this boss and Claire Obscure that sings and you're 4463 03:36:25.479 --> 03:36:27.799 listening to her. The closer you get to fighting her. 4464 03:36:27.959 --> 03:36:32.319 Oh yeah, it's cinema. It's it's really incredible. Even you know, 4465 03:36:32.360 --> 03:36:34.319 when I talk about like how much I love Hollow Night, 4466 03:36:34.639 --> 03:36:36.600 there's no there's no time I can think of where 4467 03:36:36.639 --> 03:36:38.799 I was, like, man, I was like getting closer and 4468 03:36:38.840 --> 03:36:41.239 closer to a boss fight for like two hours while 4469 03:36:41.239 --> 03:36:45.639 I heard her, Like, Claire Obscure was like teasing me 4470 03:36:46.040 --> 03:36:48.680 for a really long time. Every time I got close 4471 03:36:48.719 --> 03:36:51.920 to a boss fight or a monumental story break. It 4472 03:36:52.959 --> 03:36:57.239 earned every story that it told, and that's hard to do. 4473 03:36:57.959 --> 03:37:00.239 Every everything that it did, I I every time a 4474 03:37:00.319 --> 03:37:02.719 character died, I wanted to cry. Every time a character 4475 03:37:02.879 --> 03:37:04.479 was mad at someone, I was like, yeah, fuck them. 4476 03:37:05.120 --> 03:37:06.879 It really earned those stories. 4477 03:37:07.280 --> 03:37:09.520 Honestly, getting number one was not that hard. It was 4478 03:37:09.600 --> 03:37:13.399 just cutting it down to ten, which was this is 4479 03:37:13.479 --> 03:37:15.520 a fucking good year. I think like half of mine 4480 03:37:15.520 --> 03:37:17.719 didn't even make the time. I mean looking through like 4481 03:37:17.840 --> 03:37:20.520 out Foxies would have been in ten. Yeah, that was. 4482 03:37:20.559 --> 03:37:25.440 Close, Like rat you can still switch it with Metroid 4483 03:37:25.520 --> 03:37:26.040 Prime four. 4484 03:37:29.799 --> 03:37:31.959 Yeah, that's that's debating. 4485 03:37:32.520 --> 03:37:32.959 My call. 4486 03:37:33.239 --> 03:37:34.920 Ye a me call. 4487 03:37:35.079 --> 03:37:36.879 I'm going to put out Foxies at number ten instead 4488 03:37:36.920 --> 03:37:38.840 of Metroid Prime four day, can you swap? 4489 03:37:39.000 --> 03:37:39.920 Can he put out Foxies? 4490 03:37:39.959 --> 03:37:40.120 Never? 4491 03:37:40.520 --> 03:37:42.319 No, no, no, that's ridiculous. 4492 03:37:43.120 --> 03:37:47.000 Game came out like nineteen sixty three or something and 4493 03:37:47.120 --> 03:37:49.120 switch out Foxies with DK Bonanza. 4494 03:37:49.760 --> 03:37:53.000 We provou without the sucker, but we did not even 4495 03:37:53.159 --> 03:37:57.159 need them. They decided that our game by themselves. 4496 03:37:59.200 --> 03:38:01.600 We're at seven hour. That's the game of the year. 4497 03:38:02.120 --> 03:38:07.840 That's the game of the year. Almost eight hours. Hooray shit, okay, yeah, 4498 03:38:07.920 --> 03:38:10.440 well we didn't kill each other. Yeah, a game of 4499 03:38:10.520 --> 03:38:18.719 the year that was tremendously shrink Jack, Oh folks, Boss, 4500 03:38:18.879 --> 03:38:21.000 thank you for tuning in. Boss, Thank you for your help, 4501 03:38:21.600 --> 03:38:24.520 whether you've been watching us on Twitch, watching us on YouTube, 4502 03:38:25.120 --> 03:38:28.760 listening on your podcast platform of choice, Thank you so much. 4503 03:38:28.799 --> 03:38:30.840 We are fire Escape. I am Dan, This is Mike, 4504 03:38:30.920 --> 03:38:33.600 this is Mary, this is cool, Judge Jake. Our game 4505 03:38:33.680 --> 03:38:37.440 of the year is Claire Obscure Expedition thirty three. 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