WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.560 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence, and they would dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.640 was my dog coming over the fence. What are you reporting? 31 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:50.439 We got some wonder or something crawling around out here? 32 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.519 Did you see what it was? It was enough out here. Look, 33 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:02.359 I'm new to window now and I don't need anything. 34 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:10.719 I don't want to go outside, fra Hello, hit the 35 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:11.479 buddy out here? 36 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:12.199 What quin? 37 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.039 I'm out there? I thought of a bitch of about 38 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.159 second foot nine. I don't know easy, I'm out there. Yeah, 39 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:18.280 I'm walking right, heady. 40 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:20.360 I have folks on a walk of our guest to 41 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.080 the show. It is Mike from New Jersey. Welcome back 42 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:23.680 to the show man. 43 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:25.280 Hey, thanks for having me, Brian. 44 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:27.479 This is one of my all time favorite podcasts and 45 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:28.639 I'm super excited to be back. 46 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:29.759 So thank you again for having me. 47 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:31.680 Yeah, man, I've been looking forward to this, So let's 48 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:33.599 get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. 49 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:35.800 What guy you interested in the subject to begin with? 50 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.280 Man, it was a while ago actually, back we're talking 51 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:44.240 back in twenty eleven. I'm sitting watching and Finding Bigfoot 52 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.800 on TV. I'm working at Beach Resort in Sarasota, Florida, 53 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:51.360 which by far the best job I've ever had before. 54 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:52.840 Right. The boss was. 55 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:56.360 Like, hey, I want you every night to go lock 56 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:58.759 up at the clubhouse there and go watch the sunset 57 00:02:58.800 --> 00:02:59.879 on the beach with the guests. 58 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.639 I'm like, you don't gotta tell me twice. 59 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:06.319 So anyways, one night I'm bored, I'm watching Finding Bigfoot 60 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.879 and I was not into this show at all all right, 61 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:12.840 it was on. It was probably the only thing on. 62 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.879 That's why I was watching it, so no interest whatsoever. 63 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.039 But at the end of the show, I guess it 64 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:19.919 got me hooked a little bit because they were like, hey, 65 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:21.960 if you want to come out with a team and 66 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:24.280 research and can go on one of these Bigfoot expeditions. 67 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:26.680 And I was like, oh, hell did the No, There 68 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:28.919 is no way I am not doing this, you know 69 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.599 what I mean? So I signed up that night. I 70 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:34.479 got two tickets, one for me, one for my fiance, 71 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:39.439 whom I did not tell we were gonna go on 72 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.840 a Bigfoot expedition. This was going to be our little 73 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:46.599 pre wedding surprise type of thing. I should say before 74 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:48.560 i'd really begin the story. Growing up, I was an 75 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:51.240 inside kid. Put me in front of the video game 76 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:53.879 and a TV screen and I am like solid for 77 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:57.680 the day. So never out never was hiking, never outdoorsy. 78 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.879 So anyways, this trip involved a lot of outdoor stuff 79 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:04.639 I came to realize, which was hiking him backpack and 80 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:07.280 tent camping, which is something I've never done before. So 81 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:10.400 I had to get my tent in my sleeping bags 82 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:12.800 and the headlamp for me and my girlfriend. At the time, 83 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:17.079 I'm hiding all of this stuff in our little one 84 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:21.000 bedroom apartment like patio closet, so it's like underneath the 85 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:25.959 Christmas decoration. She is never going to find this stuff ever. 86 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:30.000 A couple of weeks before the trip comes along and 87 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.920 I'm greeted by her at the doorway with the face 88 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:36.920 I'm sure you're aware of the face, and I'm like, 89 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:39.000 oh no, and she has her hand on her hip. 90 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:43.680 She says Mike, she had did something that she had 91 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:46.519 never done ever before in the past. I have still 92 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:48.160 to this day, I have no idea why she did this. 93 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:53.120 She decided to clean the apartment and she found all 94 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:56.360 of the camping stuff. So she was like, Mike, what 95 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:59.480 are we doing? And I said, hun, we are going 96 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:02.720 to norm with Florida and we are gonna find Bigfoot. 97 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:05.600 Oh man. And then we broke up. So there was 98 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:07.519 all that whole thing that left me in a predicament. 99 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.759 I found these tickets were non refundable because I did 100 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.639 not want to go on this Bigfoot trip anymore. That's 101 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.879 the least last thing on my priority list. After the breakup. 102 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:19.199 I was in the depress mood, didn't want to have fun, 103 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:21.600 hated my life, type of thing I was in that mood. 104 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:23.639 Taking me and putting me into the woods looking for 105 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:27.040 Bigfoot was not on the priority. But the tickets were 106 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:31.759 really expensive, so I was like, man, I can't lose 107 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:32.720 out on this money. 108 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:33.800 I was an EMT. 109 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:36.519 I'm an AMT by trade, and I got a job 110 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:38.680 after the breakup working on an ambulance for the city 111 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:42.160 of Tampa, and I had three ambulance partners and the 112 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:45.360 way I did is I picked the weirdest partner. He 113 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:49.040 was just weird, unusual person. I said, Jimmy, I got 114 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:50.639 these tickets. I got to go look for Bigfoot. Do 115 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:53.560 you want to come with me? He's my best friend 116 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.040 to this day. He said, Oh man, I've always wanted 117 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:58.720 to do that, And I'm like, nice. We go up 118 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.560 to Terray Estate Park. It's a beautiful state park. If 119 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:03.879 anybody's ever heard of it, it's gorgeous. It's where Stacy 120 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:06.879 Brown Junior and his father got the thermal imaging footage 121 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.279 a bigfoot walking through the forest. Really cool stuff. But anyways, 122 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:14.639 it's super squatchy. We get there and there's sixty other 123 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:19.439 people there on the expedition looking for Bigfoot. Being new 124 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:21.279 to this whole thing, I'm like, how we gonna find 125 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:25.279 Bigfoot with sixty other people here? So we think, being 126 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:28.399 brand new to this, we think everybody is just gonna 127 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:32.519 be crazy. Okay, So we set up our camp and 128 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.040 our tent away solidly fifty yards away from everybody else 129 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.519 because we just wanted to be safe at this point. 130 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:40.959 So wrong about the people expedition. 131 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:45.800 Super great people there, doctors, police officers, fire really just awesome, 132 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.000 solid people. But it was three nights, four days of 133 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:52.800 hiking through Florida's wilderness and meeting with these witnesses and 134 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:55.680 meeting other researchers and stuff, and it's really cool. But 135 00:06:55.879 --> 00:07:00.360 nothing squatchy happened. I wasn't expecting anything to happened, so 136 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:01.959 I wasn't letting down at all. But I was like, yeah, 137 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:04.439 the last night, Jimmy and I, it's about two o'clock 138 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:08.000 in the morning, We're up watching this meteor shower. It's gorgeous. 139 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:10.439 We're just chatting back and forth, and all of a sudden, 140 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:13.600 you hear come from one side of camp. You hear 141 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:17.439 like a tree knock bam, And I was like, oh. 142 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:21.680 Immediately I thought we were getting hoaxed, that it was 143 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:23.800 the people that put on the expedition. I didn't know. 144 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:25.240 I didn't know how it worked. We paid a lot 145 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:26.959 of money and we didn't get any activities. So I 146 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.399 was like, okay, whatever. About two minutes later, a tree 147 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:33.720 knock from the complete opposite direction, so I was like, wow, 148 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:35.839 these people pretty good, not bad. 149 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:39.160 So anyways, now five ten minutes goes by. 150 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:42.040 Jimmy and I are just talking and you hear come 151 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:45.439 crashing down through the forest and it lands five feet 152 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:46.160 away from us. 153 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:47.360 A fist sized rock. 154 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:50.399 So now I was at this point in my life 155 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:53.920 where I said, nope, this is how horror movies start. 156 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:57.160 I am getting out of here, and Jimmy was like, 157 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:58.920 you want to sleep in the car, You're more than 158 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.160 welcome to sleep. And by the time he had said that, 159 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:04.480 I had my sleeping bag and I was just right 160 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:07.120 to the car. So he comes up and he's like, 161 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:09.480 he comes up to the car, he's a mic Bigfoot 162 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:12.560 knock on trees and they throw rocks like this could 163 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:16.800 be that's the whole reason why we're here is to 164 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.360 get activity of Bigfoot. And I was like, yeah, I 165 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:23.279 suppose you're right. So I went back by the campfire. 166 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:27.759 Over the course the next fifteen minutes, four more of 167 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:31.000 these fist sized rocks come crashing down and within ten 168 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:31.879 feet of us. 169 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:33.840 So not cool. 170 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.200 We're pretty petrified. At this point, Jimmy comes up to me. 171 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:40.519 He's Mike, I got an idea. I'm gonna throw a 172 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:43.399 rock back at it. And I said, Jimmy, man, let's 173 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:45.919 take note here, this is probably not the best idea 174 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:47.600 that you ever have in your whole life. 175 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:49.799 So he takes a rock and he chucks it back. 176 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.200 I knew it wasn't a person because at that exact moment, 177 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:57.200 a fifteen pound laptop sized boulder lands within five feet 178 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:57.519 of us. 179 00:08:57.679 --> 00:08:59.879 That was our first experience. That was it. 180 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:02.720 The next day, it was a sleepless night. We didn't 181 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:05.399 get any sleep that night. Next morning, we asked our 182 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:08.000 camp neighbors, all sixty of our other neighbors, Hey, we 183 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:11.360 had some activity. Did anybody else see or hear anything? 184 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.879 And nobody did. Everybody was apparently asleep by that point. 185 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:16.240 So we want to see how close this thing could 186 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:19.240 have been to us. This is a scientific expedition, so 187 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:22.200 let's take some measurements, right, So the closest this thing 188 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.480 could have been was like at least seventy five yards away. 189 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:29.799 So unless Nolan Ryan's there in North Florida's banannal Junck 190 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:32.879 and' rocks Nolan Ryan for the young people listening to 191 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:36.039 your podcast as a baseball player, So I don't know. 192 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:36.720 And that was it. 193 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:40.480 That fifteen minutes of those rock throws like literally changed 194 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:42.440 my life forever. Like that's the whole reason why I'm 195 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:45.080 sitting talking to us today. I would be sitting on 196 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:48.639 a street corner in the city of Tampa on an ambulance. 197 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:53.200 Right now, if it wasn't for that exact fifteen minutes 198 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:54.399 of my life, isn't that crazy? 199 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:57.080 It is crazy how things happen. So you had these 200 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:01.080 experiences on a BFRO expedition. It tends to do one 201 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:02.960 or two things to folks. It either sends them down 202 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.200 the rabbit hole that they never climb out of, or 203 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:08.320 they run the other way screaming. Yeah, clearly you went 204 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:11.440 down the rabbit hole. So after that, did you get 205 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:13.559 more into the subject the research? How did it all 206 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:15.679 start for you? And then where did you go from 207 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:17.799 there as far as your experiences with these things? 208 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:20.519 Yeah, so after that Jimmy and I left. 209 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:22.600 An important thing to know is we went into this 210 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.240 expedition not thinking twice about Bigfoot, right. We thought it 211 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:27.159 was just going to be a weekend full of crazy 212 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:31.039 people and people watching. But we left this weekend in 213 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.159 this expedition knowing that there's something in the woods. So again, 214 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.799 that's starkly different than seventy two hours prior. We decided 215 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:42.399 after leaving this expedition, We're like, we are going to 216 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:46.440 make our personal goal to figure out what is capable 217 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:48.639 of throwing those rocks because it's something's out there, we 218 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:50.840 want to figure out what it is. In about a 219 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:55.399 three week timeframe, we are talking to witnesses researchers looking 220 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:59.320 at hot spots. About three weeks later, we decided that 221 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:03.759 we are now professionals. So we go out by ourselves 222 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:05.320 to Colt Creek State Park. 223 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:07.080 It's in central Florida. It's very beautiful. 224 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:12.759 We're there for one night and I'm doing bigfoot calls 225 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:15.840 like it's my job. Like every two feet I'm doing 226 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:17.720 a big foot call, right, And that's what I saw 227 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:19.919 him do on TV. So I'm just mimicking what I 228 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:22.000 see him do on TV. I don't know any better. 229 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:24.879 So about a mile and a half from camp, Jimmy 230 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.120 is not scared at all because he's got his six 231 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:31.519 foot tall machete and his ten million loomen spotlight. You 232 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:34.919 know that he's got shining around. So anyways, we're about 233 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:36.519 a mile and a half from camp and all of 234 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:41.000 a sudden, his spotlight comes across two pairs of reflecting eyes. 235 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:45.759 One pair is like fire engine red, the other pairs 236 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.879 aqua blue, which is super intriguing to have eyes of 237 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.600 different colors next to each other. So we and our 238 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:55.639 infinite wisdom of everything in the woods, we thought it 239 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:59.000 was people. We didn't realize we as people, we don't 240 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:01.159 have eyes shine. We can't see at night, right, not 241 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:03.039 like our pets can or whatever. So we thought it 242 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:05.159 was people. So if we just start yelling out, hey, 243 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:10.559 we're just looking for bigfoot, no response, go figure, just 244 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:14.879 those eyes staring back at us. We think now they're poachers, 245 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:17.799 illegally poaching animals. So we're like, this is not a 246 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:19.799 good scenario to be in. We got to get back 247 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:22.000 to camp, so we're just gonna say, hey, we're just 248 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.120 heading back to camp. And then the one set, the 249 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:27.639 red set of eyes, turned and looked at the blue 250 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:31.360 set turned and looked back at us and then blinked. 251 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:36.559 Another nope, moment in our lives out of there. But 252 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:39.320 with the cool thing was Jimmy. He put a notch 253 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:42.279 in the tree with his machete. So the next day 254 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:44.480 we went back and we actually could do a recreation 255 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:46.519 to see exactly where those eyes were, and we could 256 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.200 see that they were about seven and a half feet 257 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:48.960 off the ground. 258 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:50.480 So I don't know what that was. 259 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:52.639 That was our second little encounter, not saying that was 260 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.120 sasquatch or not, but was intriguingly enough to get us 261 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:57.279 really into the subject. 262 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.799 Yeah, that was smart thinking. Most people don't do things 263 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:02.960 like that. I've done that in the woods. I've found 264 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.639 tracks that I've tried to go back and cast and 265 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:08.600 I didn't leave enough breadcrumbs, and it took me four 266 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:11.279 hours to find the spot where I could have walked 267 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:13.200 right back to it. So that was actually brilliant leaving 268 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:14.120 the notch in the tree. 269 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:16.600 I think he was just scared and was just like 270 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:19.399 and he just did one of those things. So I 271 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:21.240 think that might have been it. But yeah, we'll say 272 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:23.759 it was intentional and it worked out well. So you 273 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:24.840 have this experience. 274 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:28.840 Now you've had what you believed to be two bigfoot experiences. 275 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:33.600 When did it click in your head you did experience 276 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.000 something related to bigfoot and you weren't hoaxed, These weren't poachers. 277 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:39.960 When did that moment, that aha moment happened for you. 278 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:42.039 Was it in the moment when these things looked away 279 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.000 and then looked back at you or did that come 280 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:44.559 later on? 281 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.120 Yeah, it was the first exhibition to be a fur exhibition. 282 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:50.799 I left it and I was like, man, it could 283 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.159 have been maybe there's a potential that somebody brought a 284 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.039 catapult into the woods, you know, has really good aim 285 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.399 possible when we saw those, I was like, I didn't 286 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.559 at the time. I think it was once I realized 287 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.279 when I went home and I researched, and I realized 288 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.240 that people don't have eyeshine. It was two different animals. 289 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.120 And then I started looking into what color eyeshine animals have. 290 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:16.240 To have a red and a blue eyeshine next to 291 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.039 each other would indicate two different species of animals. That 292 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.000 usually doesn't happen chilling at seven and a half feet tall. 293 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:26.159 That brings up the question though, why did bigfoot have 294 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:28.039 different color eyes? Wise it reported that bigfoot a have 295 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.159 different color eyeshign If they're the same species, that's a 296 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:30.799 great question. 297 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:32.080 But I don't know. 298 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:35.840 Yeah, because I have seen last year when I had 299 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.559 my experiences and I got to see these things several 300 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:41.240 times over the course of a couple of days. One 301 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.240 of the most amazing parts of that was the glowing 302 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:47.399 white eyes that I saw, and I say glowing because 303 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:51.000 they were self illuminating. They were not reflecting any light. 304 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:53.360 Because at that time I wasn't shining, and nobody was 305 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:55.559 shining any light on these things. So that's a whole 306 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:58.799 nother story for another day. But it's very interesting to 307 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.559 me that you say that because red eye shine blue, 308 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:04.240 I've heard green, I've heard white, all of. 309 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:05.360 These different colors. 310 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:10.080 Of course, there are animals who have the same color eyeshine, 311 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:12.799 but these animals aren't seven and a half feet tall, 312 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:15.039 like you said, some of them aren't going to be 313 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.440 in the places that these things are seen. It's a 314 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.159 fascinating thing to me. I don't know how to explain 315 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:23.360 that we don't have the ability, Like you said, humans 316 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:27.000 don't have the ability to reflect light and have these 317 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.000 reflective eyes. We don't have to pay them loose on them. 318 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:33.279 I believe it's called to do that. So that in 319 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.840 and of itself, if these things are close, or if 320 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.000 these things are as close to us as I think 321 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.639 they are, and most people that are in that category 322 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:43.799 or that camp think these things are, it would be 323 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:48.360 something that's unique to great apes or primates to have 324 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.080 this eye shine. That has always fascinated me. And there's 325 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:54.519 plenty of things that other people claim that these creatures 326 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:57.399 do that don't make sense either, But That's something that 327 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:01.799 has always made me very weary when someone says they 328 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:05.559 saw especially glowing eyes until I saw it myself. It 329 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:09.679 was an extremely emotional moment for me in that moment, 330 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:12.639 because just about everybody who had ever told me that 331 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:15.120 in the past on my show, I doubted them. Maybe 332 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:16.919 not to their face, maybe I didn't say it out loud, 333 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:18.720 but in the back of my mind after that interview, 334 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:21.480 I'm going, yeah, okay, glowing red eyes. Oh yeah, that 335 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.240 makes a whole lot of sense. And I'm not saying 336 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:24.519 this is what you were saying. You were clear about 337 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:28.000 what you were seeing was reflective. But just that in 338 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:32.159 and of itself is a mystery inside of mystery wrapped 339 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:35.799 around this enigma of Bigfoot. So you have those strange 340 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.360 experiences of rock throwing. I've had rocks thrown at me. 341 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:40.320 It's a weird situation to be in the middle of. 342 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.320 The uncomfortable, very uncomfortable situation. 343 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.360 Yeah, you're sitting somewhere where there's not supposed to be 344 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:47.919 other people in that area, and then you get rocks 345 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:50.919 thrown at you. There's only one thing that I'm aware 346 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:53.480 of in nature that would have the ability to do that, 347 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.279 and that's either a person or a monkey or some 348 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.919 sort of a great ape or in theory sasquatch. Right, Yeah, so, yeah, 349 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:04.680 you had those experiences. You obviously had one of those 350 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:06.960 oh no moments, so you left out of there, but 351 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:08.200 you kept coming. 352 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:08.640 Back for more. 353 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:12.079 So when did you really get into the continuing the 354 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:14.400 field research and what kind of experiences have you had 355 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:18.160 while you've been out looking for these things? Stay tuned 356 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.400 for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back 357 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:21.599 after these messages. 358 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.720 It was in twenty sixteen. I was living in Florida 359 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:33.079 up until twenty sixteen. That year comes around, shockingly enough, 360 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:36.200 I'll be the first one to admit that you can 361 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:40.119 get homesick for New Jersey. I got homesick, moved home, 362 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:42.240 and I thought my big footing career was over. I 363 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:44.880 was like, Okay, we're done. No bigfoot in New Jersey? 364 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.880 Was I wrong? Started doing some quick research. I linked 365 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:51.839 up with some local researchers up here. I guess at 366 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.000 the time, I must have been a little bit bored 367 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:58.200 because I decided that I'm going to make a TV show. 368 00:17:58.400 --> 00:17:58.759 Why not? 369 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:00.519 I was looking at it. I was watching all the 370 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:02.519 TV shows now and this is my philosophy. I was 371 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:05.240 watching all the TV shows on wherever, and I was like, man, 372 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:07.880 I've been doing bigfoot research for a couple of years 373 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:09.759 at this point, and I got really into it, and 374 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:13.480 I'm like, man, the shows on TV aren't portraying what 375 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.640 bigfooting is truly about in the way it's actually done. 376 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:20.279 They're leaving out some really imperative parts about this whole 377 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:23.880 bigfoot thing. And I know that the shows on TV 378 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:26.920 are designed for ratings and they're designed to make money, 379 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.960 and I get that, not knocking any of them. That's 380 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:31.759 how I got into it, right, So I can't say 381 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.400 anything bad about it, But I wanted to make more 382 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:38.960 of a truer, kind of amateur style show, not only 383 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.000 that shows what bigfooting really truly is all about, but 384 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:46.079 also to get my kind of mission statement. Remember I said, 385 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:49.039 like I was always an indoor kid. My mission statement 386 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.720 is to try to entice friends and families to get 387 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:54.039 off the couch and into nature, to see something that 388 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:55.960 you wouldn't see sit on the couch every day. That's 389 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.319 something that is near and dear to me. That's why 390 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.359 I really wanted to make the show. I think all 391 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:05.319 of us as bigfoot researchers can agree that it's not 392 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:08.160 about finding Bigfoot all the time. It's probably more so 393 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:11.559 about the journey to looking for Bigfoot. So that's why 394 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.119 I wanted to document and share with everybody. I'm a 395 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:17.640 little familiar with this, but most of the audience may 396 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.640 not be. So let's talk a little bit about your 397 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:21.640 approach to that. Did it take you out in the woods, 398 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.680 were you're doing active field investigations while you guys were 399 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:28.480 recording and filming your video. Was it a blair witch 400 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:31.200 project kind of single camera deal. 401 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:33.440