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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and they would dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. What are you reporting?
Speaker 2: We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?
Speaker 2: Did you see what it was? It was enough out here. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm new to window now and I don't need anything.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go outside, fra Hello, hit the
Speaker 2: buddy out here?
Speaker 3: What quin?
Speaker 2: I'm out there? I thought of a bitch of about
Speaker 2: second foot nine. I don't know easy, I'm out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm walking right, heady.
Speaker 1: I have folks on a walk of our guest to
Speaker 1: the show. It is Mike from New Jersey. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the show man.
Speaker 4: Hey, thanks for having me, Brian.
Speaker 5: This is one of my all time favorite podcasts and
Speaker 5: I'm super excited to be back.
Speaker 4: So thank you again for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I've been looking forward to this, So let's
Speaker 1: get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing.
Speaker 1: What guy you interested in the subject to begin with?
Speaker 5: Man, it was a while ago actually, back we're talking
Speaker 5: back in twenty eleven. I'm sitting watching and Finding Bigfoot
Speaker 5: on TV. I'm working at Beach Resort in Sarasota, Florida,
Speaker 5: which by far the best job I've ever had before.
Speaker 4: Right. The boss was.
Speaker 5: Like, hey, I want you every night to go lock
Speaker 5: up at the clubhouse there and go watch the sunset
Speaker 5: on the beach with the guests.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you don't gotta tell me twice.
Speaker 5: So anyways, one night I'm bored, I'm watching Finding Bigfoot
Speaker 5: and I was not into this show at all all right,
Speaker 5: it was on. It was probably the only thing on.
Speaker 5: That's why I was watching it, so no interest whatsoever.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the show, I guess it
Speaker 5: got me hooked a little bit because they were like, hey,
Speaker 5: if you want to come out with a team and
Speaker 5: research and can go on one of these Bigfoot expeditions.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, hell did the No, There
Speaker 5: is no way I am not doing this, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean? So I signed up that night. I
Speaker 5: got two tickets, one for me, one for my fiance,
Speaker 5: whom I did not tell we were gonna go on
Speaker 5: a Bigfoot expedition. This was going to be our little
Speaker 5: pre wedding surprise type of thing. I should say before
Speaker 5: i'd really begin the story. Growing up, I was an
Speaker 5: inside kid. Put me in front of the video game
Speaker 5: and a TV screen and I am like solid for
Speaker 5: the day. So never out never was hiking, never outdoorsy.
Speaker 5: So anyways, this trip involved a lot of outdoor stuff
Speaker 5: I came to realize, which was hiking him backpack and
Speaker 5: tent camping, which is something I've never done before. So
Speaker 5: I had to get my tent in my sleeping bags
Speaker 5: and the headlamp for me and my girlfriend. At the time,
Speaker 5: I'm hiding all of this stuff in our little one
Speaker 5: bedroom apartment like patio closet, so it's like underneath the
Speaker 5: Christmas decoration. She is never going to find this stuff ever.
Speaker 5: A couple of weeks before the trip comes along and
Speaker 5: I'm greeted by her at the doorway with the face
Speaker 5: I'm sure you're aware of the face, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh no, and she has her hand on her hip.
Speaker 5: She says Mike, she had did something that she had
Speaker 5: never done ever before in the past. I have still
Speaker 5: to this day, I have no idea why she did this.
Speaker 5: She decided to clean the apartment and she found all
Speaker 5: of the camping stuff. So she was like, Mike, what
Speaker 5: are we doing? And I said, hun, we are going
Speaker 5: to norm with Florida and we are gonna find Bigfoot.
Speaker 5: Oh man. And then we broke up. So there was
Speaker 5: all that whole thing that left me in a predicament.
Speaker 5: I found these tickets were non refundable because I did
Speaker 5: not want to go on this Bigfoot trip anymore. That's
Speaker 5: the least last thing on my priority list. After the breakup.
Speaker 5: I was in the depress mood, didn't want to have fun,
Speaker 5: hated my life, type of thing I was in that mood.
Speaker 5: Taking me and putting me into the woods looking for
Speaker 5: Bigfoot was not on the priority. But the tickets were
Speaker 5: really expensive, so I was like, man, I can't lose
Speaker 5: out on this money.
Speaker 4: I was an EMT.
Speaker 5: I'm an AMT by trade, and I got a job
Speaker 5: after the breakup working on an ambulance for the city
Speaker 5: of Tampa, and I had three ambulance partners and the
Speaker 5: way I did is I picked the weirdest partner. He
Speaker 5: was just weird, unusual person. I said, Jimmy, I got
Speaker 5: these tickets. I got to go look for Bigfoot. Do
Speaker 5: you want to come with me? He's my best friend
Speaker 5: to this day. He said, Oh man, I've always wanted
Speaker 5: to do that, And I'm like, nice. We go up
Speaker 5: to Terray Estate Park. It's a beautiful state park. If
Speaker 5: anybody's ever heard of it, it's gorgeous. It's where Stacy
Speaker 5: Brown Junior and his father got the thermal imaging footage
Speaker 5: a bigfoot walking through the forest. Really cool stuff. But anyways,
Speaker 5: it's super squatchy. We get there and there's sixty other
Speaker 5: people there on the expedition looking for Bigfoot. Being new
Speaker 5: to this whole thing, I'm like, how we gonna find
Speaker 5: Bigfoot with sixty other people here? So we think, being
Speaker 5: brand new to this, we think everybody is just gonna
Speaker 5: be crazy. Okay, So we set up our camp and
Speaker 5: our tent away solidly fifty yards away from everybody else
Speaker 5: because we just wanted to be safe at this point.
Speaker 4: So wrong about the people expedition.
Speaker 5: Super great people there, doctors, police officers, fire really just awesome,
Speaker 5: solid people. But it was three nights, four days of
Speaker 5: hiking through Florida's wilderness and meeting with these witnesses and
Speaker 5: meeting other researchers and stuff, and it's really cool. But
Speaker 5: nothing squatchy happened. I wasn't expecting anything to happened, so
Speaker 5: I wasn't letting down at all. But I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: the last night, Jimmy and I, it's about two o'clock
Speaker 5: in the morning, We're up watching this meteor shower. It's gorgeous.
Speaker 5: We're just chatting back and forth, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: you hear come from one side of camp. You hear
Speaker 5: like a tree knock bam, And I was like, oh.
Speaker 5: Immediately I thought we were getting hoaxed, that it was
Speaker 5: the people that put on the expedition. I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I didn't know how it worked. We paid a lot
Speaker 5: of money and we didn't get any activities. So I
Speaker 5: was like, okay, whatever. About two minutes later, a tree
Speaker 5: knock from the complete opposite direction, so I was like, wow,
Speaker 5: these people pretty good, not bad.
Speaker 4: So anyways, now five ten minutes goes by.
Speaker 5: Jimmy and I are just talking and you hear come
Speaker 5: crashing down through the forest and it lands five feet
Speaker 5: away from us.
Speaker 4: A fist sized rock.
Speaker 5: So now I was at this point in my life
Speaker 5: where I said, nope, this is how horror movies start.
Speaker 5: I am getting out of here, and Jimmy was like,
Speaker 5: you want to sleep in the car, You're more than
Speaker 5: welcome to sleep. And by the time he had said that,
Speaker 5: I had my sleeping bag and I was just right
Speaker 5: to the car. So he comes up and he's like,
Speaker 5: he comes up to the car, he's a mic Bigfoot
Speaker 5: knock on trees and they throw rocks like this could
Speaker 5: be that's the whole reason why we're here is to
Speaker 5: get activity of Bigfoot. And I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 5: suppose you're right. So I went back by the campfire.
Speaker 5: Over the course the next fifteen minutes, four more of
Speaker 5: these fist sized rocks come crashing down and within ten
Speaker 5: feet of us.
Speaker 4: So not cool.
Speaker 5: We're pretty petrified. At this point, Jimmy comes up to me.
Speaker 5: He's Mike, I got an idea. I'm gonna throw a
Speaker 5: rock back at it. And I said, Jimmy, man, let's
Speaker 5: take note here, this is probably not the best idea
Speaker 5: that you ever have in your whole life.
Speaker 4: So he takes a rock and he chucks it back.
Speaker 5: I knew it wasn't a person because at that exact moment,
Speaker 5: a fifteen pound laptop sized boulder lands within five feet
Speaker 5: of us.
Speaker 4: That was our first experience. That was it.
Speaker 5: The next day, it was a sleepless night. We didn't
Speaker 5: get any sleep that night. Next morning, we asked our
Speaker 5: camp neighbors, all sixty of our other neighbors, Hey, we
Speaker 5: had some activity. Did anybody else see or hear anything?
Speaker 5: And nobody did. Everybody was apparently asleep by that point.
Speaker 5: So we want to see how close this thing could
Speaker 5: have been to us. This is a scientific expedition, so
Speaker 5: let's take some measurements, right, So the closest this thing
Speaker 5: could have been was like at least seventy five yards away.
Speaker 5: So unless Nolan Ryan's there in North Florida's banannal Junck
Speaker 5: and' rocks Nolan Ryan for the young people listening to
Speaker 5: your podcast as a baseball player, So I don't know.
Speaker 4: And that was it.
Speaker 5: That fifteen minutes of those rock throws like literally changed
Speaker 5: my life forever. Like that's the whole reason why I'm
Speaker 5: sitting talking to us today. I would be sitting on
Speaker 5: a street corner in the city of Tampa on an ambulance.
Speaker 5: Right now, if it wasn't for that exact fifteen minutes
Speaker 5: of my life, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: It is crazy how things happen. So you had these
Speaker 1: experiences on a BFRO expedition. It tends to do one
Speaker 1: or two things to folks. It either sends them down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole that they never climb out of, or
Speaker 1: they run the other way screaming. Yeah, clearly you went
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. So after that, did you get
Speaker 1: more into the subject the research? How did it all
Speaker 1: start for you? And then where did you go from
Speaker 1: there as far as your experiences with these things?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so after that Jimmy and I left.
Speaker 5: An important thing to know is we went into this
Speaker 5: expedition not thinking twice about Bigfoot, right. We thought it
Speaker 5: was just going to be a weekend full of crazy
Speaker 5: people and people watching. But we left this weekend in
Speaker 5: this expedition knowing that there's something in the woods. So again,
Speaker 5: that's starkly different than seventy two hours prior. We decided
Speaker 5: after leaving this expedition, We're like, we are going to
Speaker 5: make our personal goal to figure out what is capable
Speaker 5: of throwing those rocks because it's something's out there, we
Speaker 5: want to figure out what it is. In about a
Speaker 5: three week timeframe, we are talking to witnesses researchers looking
Speaker 5: at hot spots. About three weeks later, we decided that
Speaker 5: we are now professionals. So we go out by ourselves
Speaker 5: to Colt Creek State Park.
Speaker 4: It's in central Florida. It's very beautiful.
Speaker 5: We're there for one night and I'm doing bigfoot calls
Speaker 5: like it's my job. Like every two feet I'm doing
Speaker 5: a big foot call, right, And that's what I saw
Speaker 5: him do on TV. So I'm just mimicking what I
Speaker 5: see him do on TV. I don't know any better.
Speaker 5: So about a mile and a half from camp, Jimmy
Speaker 5: is not scared at all because he's got his six
Speaker 5: foot tall machete and his ten million loomen spotlight. You
Speaker 5: know that he's got shining around. So anyways, we're about
Speaker 5: a mile and a half from camp and all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, his spotlight comes across two pairs of reflecting eyes.
Speaker 5: One pair is like fire engine red, the other pairs
Speaker 5: aqua blue, which is super intriguing to have eyes of
Speaker 5: different colors next to each other. So we and our
Speaker 5: infinite wisdom of everything in the woods, we thought it
Speaker 5: was people. We didn't realize we as people, we don't
Speaker 5: have eyes shine. We can't see at night, right, not
Speaker 5: like our pets can or whatever. So we thought it
Speaker 5: was people. So if we just start yelling out, hey,
Speaker 5: we're just looking for bigfoot, no response, go figure, just
Speaker 5: those eyes staring back at us. We think now they're poachers,
Speaker 5: illegally poaching animals. So we're like, this is not a
Speaker 5: good scenario to be in. We got to get back
Speaker 5: to camp, so we're just gonna say, hey, we're just
Speaker 5: heading back to camp. And then the one set, the
Speaker 5: red set of eyes, turned and looked at the blue
Speaker 5: set turned and looked back at us and then blinked.
Speaker 5: Another nope, moment in our lives out of there. But
Speaker 5: with the cool thing was Jimmy. He put a notch
Speaker 5: in the tree with his machete. So the next day
Speaker 5: we went back and we actually could do a recreation
Speaker 5: to see exactly where those eyes were, and we could
Speaker 5: see that they were about seven and a half feet
Speaker 5: off the ground.
Speaker 4: So I don't know what that was.
Speaker 5: That was our second little encounter, not saying that was
Speaker 5: sasquatch or not, but was intriguingly enough to get us
Speaker 5: really into the subject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was smart thinking. Most people don't do things
Speaker 1: like that. I've done that in the woods. I've found
Speaker 1: tracks that I've tried to go back and cast and
Speaker 1: I didn't leave enough breadcrumbs, and it took me four
Speaker 1: hours to find the spot where I could have walked
Speaker 1: right back to it. So that was actually brilliant leaving
Speaker 1: the notch in the tree.
Speaker 5: I think he was just scared and was just like
Speaker 5: and he just did one of those things. So I
Speaker 5: think that might have been it. But yeah, we'll say
Speaker 5: it was intentional and it worked out well. So you
Speaker 5: have this experience.
Speaker 1: Now you've had what you believed to be two bigfoot experiences.
Speaker 1: When did it click in your head you did experience
Speaker 1: something related to bigfoot and you weren't hoaxed, These weren't poachers.
Speaker 1: When did that moment, that aha moment happened for you.
Speaker 1: Was it in the moment when these things looked away
Speaker 1: and then looked back at you or did that come
Speaker 1: later on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the first exhibition to be a fur exhibition.
Speaker 5: I left it and I was like, man, it could
Speaker 5: have been maybe there's a potential that somebody brought a
Speaker 5: catapult into the woods, you know, has really good aim
Speaker 5: possible when we saw those, I was like, I didn't
Speaker 5: at the time. I think it was once I realized
Speaker 5: when I went home and I researched, and I realized
Speaker 5: that people don't have eyeshine. It was two different animals.
Speaker 5: And then I started looking into what color eyeshine animals have.
Speaker 5: To have a red and a blue eyeshine next to
Speaker 5: each other would indicate two different species of animals. That
Speaker 5: usually doesn't happen chilling at seven and a half feet tall.
Speaker 5: That brings up the question though, why did bigfoot have
Speaker 5: different color eyes? Wise it reported that bigfoot a have
Speaker 5: different color eyeshign If they're the same species, that's a
Speaker 5: great question.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I have seen last year when I had
Speaker 1: my experiences and I got to see these things several
Speaker 1: times over the course of a couple of days. One
Speaker 1: of the most amazing parts of that was the glowing
Speaker 1: white eyes that I saw, and I say glowing because
Speaker 1: they were self illuminating. They were not reflecting any light.
Speaker 1: Because at that time I wasn't shining, and nobody was
Speaker 1: shining any light on these things. So that's a whole
Speaker 1: nother story for another day. But it's very interesting to
Speaker 1: me that you say that because red eye shine blue,
Speaker 1: I've heard green, I've heard white, all of.
Speaker 4: These different colors.
Speaker 1: Of course, there are animals who have the same color eyeshine,
Speaker 1: but these animals aren't seven and a half feet tall,
Speaker 1: like you said, some of them aren't going to be
Speaker 1: in the places that these things are seen. It's a
Speaker 1: fascinating thing to me. I don't know how to explain
Speaker 1: that we don't have the ability, Like you said, humans
Speaker 1: don't have the ability to reflect light and have these
Speaker 1: reflective eyes. We don't have to pay them loose on them.
Speaker 1: I believe it's called to do that. So that in
Speaker 1: and of itself, if these things are close, or if
Speaker 1: these things are as close to us as I think
Speaker 1: they are, and most people that are in that category
Speaker 1: or that camp think these things are, it would be
Speaker 1: something that's unique to great apes or primates to have
Speaker 1: this eye shine. That has always fascinated me. And there's
Speaker 1: plenty of things that other people claim that these creatures
Speaker 1: do that don't make sense either, But That's something that
Speaker 1: has always made me very weary when someone says they
Speaker 1: saw especially glowing eyes until I saw it myself. It
Speaker 1: was an extremely emotional moment for me in that moment,
Speaker 1: because just about everybody who had ever told me that
Speaker 1: in the past on my show, I doubted them. Maybe
Speaker 1: not to their face, maybe I didn't say it out loud,
Speaker 1: but in the back of my mind after that interview,
Speaker 1: I'm going, yeah, okay, glowing red eyes. Oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes a whole lot of sense. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: this is what you were saying. You were clear about
Speaker 1: what you were seeing was reflective. But just that in
Speaker 1: and of itself is a mystery inside of mystery wrapped
Speaker 1: around this enigma of Bigfoot. So you have those strange
Speaker 1: experiences of rock throwing. I've had rocks thrown at me.
Speaker 1: It's a weird situation to be in the middle of.
Speaker 4: The uncomfortable, very uncomfortable situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're sitting somewhere where there's not supposed to be
Speaker 1: other people in that area, and then you get rocks
Speaker 1: thrown at you. There's only one thing that I'm aware
Speaker 1: of in nature that would have the ability to do that,
Speaker 1: and that's either a person or a monkey or some
Speaker 1: sort of a great ape or in theory sasquatch. Right, Yeah, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: you had those experiences. You obviously had one of those
Speaker 1: oh no moments, so you left out of there, but
Speaker 1: you kept coming.
Speaker 4: Back for more.
Speaker 1: So when did you really get into the continuing the
Speaker 1: field research and what kind of experiences have you had
Speaker 1: while you've been out looking for these things? Stay tuned
Speaker 1: for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages.
Speaker 5: It was in twenty sixteen. I was living in Florida
Speaker 5: up until twenty sixteen. That year comes around, shockingly enough,
Speaker 5: I'll be the first one to admit that you can
Speaker 5: get homesick for New Jersey. I got homesick, moved home,
Speaker 5: and I thought my big footing career was over. I
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, we're done. No bigfoot in New Jersey?
Speaker 5: Was I wrong? Started doing some quick research. I linked
Speaker 5: up with some local researchers up here. I guess at
Speaker 5: the time, I must have been a little bit bored
Speaker 5: because I decided that I'm going to make a TV show.
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 5: I was looking at it. I was watching all the
Speaker 5: TV shows now and this is my philosophy. I was
Speaker 5: watching all the TV shows on wherever, and I was like, man,
Speaker 5: I've been doing bigfoot research for a couple of years
Speaker 5: at this point, and I got really into it, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, the shows on TV aren't portraying what
Speaker 5: bigfooting is truly about in the way it's actually done.
Speaker 5: They're leaving out some really imperative parts about this whole
Speaker 5: bigfoot thing. And I know that the shows on TV
Speaker 5: are designed for ratings and they're designed to make money,
Speaker 5: and I get that, not knocking any of them. That's
Speaker 5: how I got into it, right, So I can't say
Speaker 5: anything bad about it, But I wanted to make more
Speaker 5: of a truer, kind of amateur style show, not only
Speaker 5: that shows what bigfooting really truly is all about, but
Speaker 5: also to get my kind of mission statement. Remember I said,
Speaker 5: like I was always an indoor kid. My mission statement
Speaker 5: is to try to entice friends and families to get
Speaker 5: off the couch and into nature, to see something that
Speaker 5: you wouldn't see sit on the couch every day. That's
Speaker 5: something that is near and dear to me. That's why
Speaker 5: I really wanted to make the show. I think all
Speaker 5: of us as bigfoot researchers can agree that it's not
Speaker 5: about finding Bigfoot all the time. It's probably more so
Speaker 5: about the journey to looking for Bigfoot. So that's why
Speaker 5: I wanted to document and share with everybody. I'm a
Speaker 5: little familiar with this, but most of the audience may
Speaker 5: not be. So let's talk a little bit about your
Speaker 5: approach to that. Did it take you out in the woods,
Speaker 5: were you're doing active field investigations while you guys were
Speaker 5: recording and filming your video. Was it a blair witch
Speaker 5: project kind of single camera deal.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about that, what you did when
Speaker 1: you went out to film, and what you guys got into.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the first season was terrible. Looking back at it,
Speaker 5: it was not good. The fact that I went onto
Speaker 5: season two blows my mind. Yeah, it started very blair witchy.
Speaker 5: It was basically just me and my friends going out
Speaker 5: to some active areas and researching recent reports and trying
Speaker 5: to poke around to see what we can find. That
Speaker 5: was nine years ago. That was back in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5: We have just started filming our ninth season and we
Speaker 5: just got back from Florida last week. We just filmed
Speaker 5: I think six episodes, but it's turned more into of
Speaker 5: a show where, like I said before, we attract people
Speaker 5: to get out and into nature. We interview local witnesses
Speaker 5: about bigfoot stories of what they've personally seen. We'll try
Speaker 5: to hold a town hall meeting if we can. But
Speaker 5: the show is more displays local attractions things in the
Speaker 5: area that would attract people to go there to buy
Speaker 5: stuff and to help the local economy and look for
Speaker 5: bigfoot at the same time. So it's like a win
Speaker 5: win for everybody.
Speaker 1: Have you had more experiences with these things? I know
Speaker 1: that's the thing about bigfooting. I've been on expeditions that
Speaker 1: have lasted for a week plus and you have very
Speaker 1: little if anything happened, And then you go out some
Speaker 1: days and everything happens. How have you found it as
Speaker 1: far as your failed research? Have you had other experiences?
Speaker 1: Have you seen these things? What other kind of experiences
Speaker 1: have you had with them?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's great that you bring that up because
Speaker 5: one of the reasons early on in my big footing career,
Speaker 5: when I started the show, I used to take people
Speaker 5: out into the woods like public and bring them out
Speaker 5: for expeditions and stuff. And one thing I would always
Speaker 5: be very wary of is saying that, listen, we don't
Speaker 5: have a bigfoot experience every time we go out. That's
Speaker 5: one of the reasons I've since stopped bringing people out,
Speaker 5: is because I feel that I can't offer them the
Speaker 5: experience that they might want to have. One in ten
Speaker 5: is about what I average when I go out activity wise,
Speaker 5: and I think that's pretty high for a lot of researchers.
Speaker 5: Anybody that has says that they have activity one in two,
Speaker 5: one in four times that they go out. I would
Speaker 5: love to go out with you and try to see
Speaker 5: what you're hearing, because it's either something really freaking cool
Speaker 5: or you're mishearing something one of the two that's obviously
Speaker 5: what it is. But regardless, yeah, I've found some really
Speaker 5: cool I've never actually seen a bigfoot. People are crazy.
Speaker 5: I do this full time, like I'm a full time
Speaker 5: bigfoot researcher. I go around the country full time. I
Speaker 5: speak at libraries. Now I've been doing it for three years.
Speaker 5: People say, wait a minute, you've divoted your life to this,
Speaker 5: but you've never seen a bigfoot. I say, absolutely, I
Speaker 5: don't even know. And this is the God's honest truth
Speaker 5: that I don't know if bigfoot exists. One hundred percent.
Speaker 5: I've never seen one, so I can't say that bigfoot
Speaker 5: is actually out there. What I can say is I
Speaker 5: believe probably eighty percent that something undiscovered is out there.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and I say eighty percent and not one
Speaker 5: hundred because I've found evidence but no smoking gun. I've
Speaker 5: never gotten a video of bigfoot. Evershire cans got a
Speaker 5: hair sample, that'd be cool. We've gotten vocalizations from up
Speaker 5: here in northwest New Jersey that I've sent away to
Speaker 5: a linguist from the military, and he came back and said,
Speaker 5: because X, Y, and Z, it's outside of human vocal
Speaker 5: range and it's no known animal from northwest New Jersey,
Speaker 5: which is really cool. We found footprints that are just
Speaker 5: try to figure out what else it could have been
Speaker 5: besides a bigfoot, one of those type of scenarios. It's
Speaker 5: been a ride. It's cool because even traveling around the
Speaker 5: country like I do, I've been finding similar evidence, similarly
Speaker 5: sized footprints and shaped footprints, different kind of tree breaks
Speaker 5: and stuff like that, all throughout the country. They're very
Speaker 5: significant because that means that whatever's doing this is leaving
Speaker 5: the same kind of evidence throughout the country, which is
Speaker 5: really cool.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some other evidence. This is something that
Speaker 1: I've been having conversations with other folks about for years.
Speaker 1: There's the gold standard of some of the evidence that's
Speaker 1: out there. The Patterson Gimlin film, the Freeman footage, the
Speaker 1: Sierra Sounds, all the things, right, the top three? Those
Speaker 1: are the top three for me, I think as far
Speaker 1: as bigfoot research over the last five or six decades,
Speaker 1: Where are you on some of that evidences? Any of
Speaker 1: that stuff convinced you or would it be enough to
Speaker 1: convince you if you really sat down and studied it.
Speaker 1: Let's just take those top three. Where are you on
Speaker 1: the Patterson Gimlin film, the Freeman footage I'm talking video
Speaker 1: two from like nineteen ninety two, because there's two Paul
Speaker 1: Freeman videos out there. I'm talking about the Baby Lift
Speaker 1: video that would be his second one in ninety two.
Speaker 1: And then the Sierra Sounds. I've heard vocalization similar to
Speaker 1: the Sierra sounds. I've heard samurai chatter when I was
Speaker 1: on expedition a couple of years ago up in Radium, BC, Canada,
Speaker 1: with Tid standing. I have my doubts about all three
Speaker 1: of those things. Frankly, where are you on that. As
Speaker 1: far as the Patterson Gimlin film, the Freeman footage, and
Speaker 1: the Sierra Sounds.
Speaker 5: The Freeman footage is if I were to pick one,
Speaker 5: it'd be like, Okay, maybe that's this is the if
Speaker 5: he ist one out of the three. The reason behind that,
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think the Patterson Gimlin footage is
Speaker 5: again the community is so divided. However, some of the evidence,
Speaker 5: like the tumor on the leg is crazy. I don't
Speaker 5: think you would have put that in a suit back then.
Speaker 5: When it comes to the audio with the Rod Mooreheads
Speaker 5: Sierra Sounds, I had the privilege of introducing Ron in
Speaker 5: one of our shows out here that I was hosting.
Speaker 4: I was able to talk to him.
Speaker 5: It's so impossible to think that could have been anything
Speaker 5: human made, is my theory about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I'm right there with you.
Speaker 1: I have had my doubts about all three pieces of
Speaker 1: evidence over the years, and I go back and forth
Speaker 1: on it. I'm actually sitting down as we record this.
Speaker 1: In a couple of weeks, I'll be up at Ron's
Speaker 1: house on the twenty fifth of this month. We're going
Speaker 1: to do a set down, face to face interview he's
Speaker 1: actually going to play some of the unreleased I think
Speaker 1: he's got ten or twelve hours of never before released
Speaker 1: Sierra Sounds. He's already sent me three clips of it.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to hear what else he's got going on,
Speaker 1: and I may even get to help him edit some
Speaker 1: of it and catalog it. Oh man, we'll figure that
Speaker 1: out when we get there. But I'll be up at
Speaker 1: Ron's house. Like I said on the twenty.
Speaker 5: Fifth special, that's something not a lot of people get
Speaker 5: to do, so that's really cool, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am excited about it because Ron's not getting
Speaker 1: any younger. Nobody ages in reverse, so this may be
Speaker 1: the last chance that anybody outside of his family or
Speaker 1: very close circle even gets to hear these and experience them.
Speaker 1: I really am excited to hopefully get an opportunity to
Speaker 1: hear the majority of them, and they maybe even help
Speaker 1: catalog them and narrow them down, edit them down for him.
Speaker 4: So we'll see how that works out.
Speaker 1: But the Sierra Sounds have always stood out to me
Speaker 1: because I've had so many questions about where the microphones
Speaker 1: were placed. If you do a lot with sound, you
Speaker 1: obviously do that in your business with video sound is weird.
Speaker 1: It's very strange when you start using microphones, what you
Speaker 1: pick up and what you don't pick up. I'm going
Speaker 1: to get into some of those questions, specifically with Ron,
Speaker 1: because I don't think they've been asked before, and if
Speaker 1: they have, it's been a long time ago. Just to
Speaker 1: get the picture painted as clearly as possible from his
Speaker 1: recollection now versus maybe what we've heard over the years,
Speaker 1: and then obviously get into some of the other sounds.
Speaker 1: I think for me, I'm definitely past the evidence part.
Speaker 1: I used to be that guy that was eighty twenty.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I was fifty to fifty, and I had these
Speaker 1: experiences last year where I got to see these things
Speaker 1: and now I know they exist because I've seen them.
Speaker 1: So now I've moved into this weird space where I'm
Speaker 1: no longer even really into the EVA. It's the way
Speaker 1: that I used to be because I was clamoring for
Speaker 1: everything I could find to convince myself one way or
Speaker 1: the other. Now I'm just more into what these things are.
Speaker 1: So I'm taking a deep dive into some of the
Speaker 1: older books I ordered a bunch of I found one
Speaker 1: of John Bender Nooggle's first books cost me a couple
Speaker 1: of hundred books. It's not cheat, but I'm reading some
Speaker 1: of the older stuff, going back to John Green stuff,
Speaker 1: bendro Naugle, Grover Krantz.
Speaker 4: And looking at what they looked at you. Yeah, they were.
Speaker 1: Looking at what physical animal this could be, what physical
Speaker 1: specimen this could be. Krantz was into the most of
Speaker 1: them were into the gigantopithecus thing. I'm frankly I never
Speaker 1: really considered that until a couple of years ago, having
Speaker 1: conversations with Matt Pruitt. Matt wrote his book The Phenomenal Sasquatch.
Speaker 1: Amazing book. If you guys haven't ever read it, you
Speaker 1: need to pick it up. It's one of the best
Speaker 1: in the businesses far as I'm concerned. And Matt is
Speaker 1: really into the gigantopithecus camp, if you will. I used
Speaker 1: to be more Cliff and I think are in line
Speaker 1: with possibly it's some sort of an ostrol epithescene, something
Speaker 1: along those lines. But Matt makes a very convincing argument
Speaker 1: there's only a couple of things that really have to
Speaker 1: fit together for it to be a Gigantopithecus offshoot of
Speaker 1: some sort. And you're looking into this and doing your research.
Speaker 1: Is that something that you've gotten into over the years.
Speaker 1: Do you ask yourself that question, not only are they real,
Speaker 1: but if they are real, what do you think they are?
Speaker 1: Do you have an opinion on Obviously it's subjective, but
Speaker 1: do you have an opinion on what you think these
Speaker 1: things might be? Are you more into the flesh and
Speaker 1: blood camp? Do you weighe between the wo and the
Speaker 1: flesh and blood?
Speaker 4: That's a great question.
Speaker 5: I'm flesh and blood and that's just because my evidence
Speaker 5: that I found so far. That's what it leads me
Speaker 5: to believe. You were talking earlier and you made me
Speaker 5: think of something. If I were to see a big
Speaker 5: foot on one of my expeditions out in the woods
Speaker 5: or whatever, shoot through a portal, or get beamed down
Speaker 5: by a UFO, listen, I am open to that experience,
Speaker 5: and I want to have that experience. I would be
Speaker 5: floored if that happened to me. Do I think it's
Speaker 5: gonna happen?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: Am I open to that possibility? Heck yeah, I think
Speaker 5: that would be dope. But I have to look at
Speaker 5: it realistically. Does that have a possibility of happening. I
Speaker 5: suppose it could, as it happened before. No, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know, going too the Flesh and Blood camp,
Speaker 5: what do I think it is? If it is flesh
Speaker 5: and blood that I've gone from one theory to another
Speaker 5: theory and there's not been one that I'm fully set
Speaker 5: on because there's not anything that I think fully one
Speaker 5: hundred percent describes what people are seeing. Does that not
Speaker 5: mean that it could be an off you to something else? Absolutely,
Speaker 5: which I probably think it is, But of what I
Speaker 5: couldn't tell you, I would have to actually see one
Speaker 5: to be able to, I don't know, make a determination
Speaker 5: about that.
Speaker 1: In your travels and talking to people and interviewing them
Speaker 1: about the the experiences, are there any couple two or
Speaker 1: three that stick out to you as really compelling for
Speaker 1: one reason or the other. Any strange things, any strange
Speaker 1: behavior that you've never really heard other places, Because those
Speaker 1: are always the ones that stick out to me, people
Speaker 1: ask me. At this point, interviewed over one thousand people.
Speaker 1: I'm over almost six hundred episodes of the show. You
Speaker 1: tie in all the conferences and speaking gigs and book
Speaker 1: signings and people telling you their story, it's got to
Speaker 1: be well over a thousand and there's some that stick
Speaker 1: out to me because of the strange or something that
Speaker 1: you don't hear often in other stories. Like Shane Carpenter
Speaker 1: comes to mind. He and Randy Harrington started finding these
Speaker 1: little holes dug in certain places out at the four hundred,
Speaker 1: and then they found them in other research areas with
Speaker 1: other researchers and they compared notes and it's almost the
Speaker 1: identical thing. They have no idea what's going on. But
Speaker 1: that's something that intrigues me because it's something unique and
Speaker 1: it's new. They say there's nothing new under the sun,
Speaker 1: and with research, it tends to be that way. You
Speaker 1: hear the same things over and over. It's footprints, it's vocalizations,
Speaker 1: but when you talk about digging holes with sticks and
Speaker 1: tool usage and things like that, it's very unique. So
Speaker 1: is there anything that has stuck out to you in
Speaker 1: any of the people that you've talked to in your
Speaker 1: travels and some of the stories you've heard, whether it
Speaker 1: be a scary story, whether it be something unique or
Speaker 1: just that stuck out to you over the years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's one.
Speaker 5: And I can't take full credit for this because it's
Speaker 5: actually one of my buddy Mike philosophies.
Speaker 4: Here's one for you. I don't know if you ever
Speaker 4: heard this, or maybe your listeners have heard it.
Speaker 5: When it comes to tree knocks, we all can agree
Speaker 5: that something is in the woods that knocks on a tree,
Speaker 5: and it's not a woodpecker type of thing.
Speaker 4: So what is it?
Speaker 5: We think it might be a sasquatch? Why the wood
Speaker 5: is sasquatch knock on a tree? My theory and a
Speaker 5: couple other my friends. The number of knocks that you
Speaker 5: hear as you enter into the forest is the number
Speaker 5: of people that you have in your group. So think
Speaker 5: about that. So if you hear a single knock, you
Speaker 5: may most likely be by yourself. You hear a series
Speaker 5: of three knocks, man, look around, you probably with two
Speaker 5: other people. And I've heard this throughout the country, which
Speaker 5: is intriguing. I think that maybe Bigfoot's way of warning
Speaker 5: other Bigfoot, Hey, there's something not cool in the area,
Speaker 5: and there's.
Speaker 4: This many of them, so be on the lookout. Could
Speaker 4: be I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely interesting. I've had that conversation years ago
Speaker 1: with Carter Bouchard. He wrote about it in one of
Speaker 1: his books that he felt these things were counting the
Speaker 1: number of people that were coming and going, because that
Speaker 1: was his experience. He'd look around, that'd be in a
Speaker 1: group of five, that here five wood knock somebody would
Speaker 1: leave that were here four, or that here one and
Speaker 1: then that here four. So he had this same theory
Speaker 1: that people were being counted. Basically, let me ask you
Speaker 1: this about the wood knox. This is something that again
Speaker 1: has fascinated me through the years. I've heard wood knox.
Speaker 1: I heard it them up in BC, Canada when I
Speaker 1: was up there in Radium a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: I've heard wood knox here on our property once a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I don't necessarily think they're using wood.
Speaker 1: That used to be my theory. It was most people's theory.
Speaker 1: That's what we use. I actually have a wooden bat
Speaker 1: that I use and make my own wood knocks. I
Speaker 1: have my own knockers that I've made for myself. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that makes sense in nature, because if
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of the woods, go out right now,
Speaker 1: in the middle of the woods and try to find
Speaker 1: a stick that's strong enough that's not rotted that you
Speaker 1: could go and hit a tree immediately and make that sound.
Speaker 1: It's almost physically impossible. I've tried it in multiple locations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the theory came up about rocks. It was a possible
Speaker 1: rock on wood situation. That something that Todd talked about
Speaker 1: when I was in radium. He thinks they do that.
Speaker 1: I tried that with a rock. It hurts like hell. Dude,
Speaker 1: if you hit one of those hardwoods with a big
Speaker 1: ass rock, your hand is singing for hours. Now, could
Speaker 1: a sasquatch do that and have no problems?
Speaker 4: Probably?
Speaker 1: I am of the mind at this point. I've talked
Speaker 1: to a couple of people, one person in particular, I've
Speaker 1: been trying to get on the show. We still haven't
Speaker 1: been able to get the interview that was in our
Speaker 1: face book group. We have a Bigfoot Encounters and Field
Speaker 1: Research group on Facebook. If you guys aren't a member
Speaker 1: of that, you need to be. There's almost twelve thousand
Speaker 1: people in there. We have got a ton of things
Speaker 1: that go on. We post about stuff over there all
Speaker 1: the time. There was a guy in there a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago and he was talking about he visually
Speaker 1: saw one or two sasquatch. He claims that we're making
Speaker 1: mouth pops out in the open and a no.
Speaker 4: Fred Roll up.
Speaker 1: In Alaska has documented at least one or two of
Speaker 1: these cases where he's interviewed people and talked to Native
Speaker 1: Americans up there first nations of people that have seen
Speaker 1: these things doing these mouth clicks or pops out in
Speaker 1: the open. You hear what sounds like a wood not
Speaker 1: coming from the middle of a field. There's a sasquatch
Speaker 1: there and no tree. So where are you on that?
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a possible some sort of a
Speaker 1: vocalization that they're doing versus them hitting a rock or
Speaker 1: a stick against a tree.
Speaker 5: Let's take just bigfoot anatomy for a second. If bigfoot's
Speaker 5: a real creature and it's bipedal and it's out in
Speaker 5: the woods, its main tools are going to be its hands,
Speaker 5: no question about that. Its survival is going to depend
Speaker 5: on its use of its hands. Carrying around a stick
Speaker 5: that is not sawdusted and shaving down and all nice
Speaker 5: is not going to do well. I don't care how
Speaker 5: tough your hands are or whatever. People don't report Bigfoot
Speaker 5: carrying around a stick. If bigfoot tree knocks weren't that common,
Speaker 5: I think somebody would have reported Bigfoot lugging around a
Speaker 5: nice big stick. Sometimes. I've not talked to any witnesses
Speaker 5: myself personally that have seen that. I am right there
Speaker 5: in the camp with you. That Bigfoot definitely somehow claps
Speaker 5: and uses their mouth to mouth clicks and echoes with
Speaker 5: the hands somehow. You got to think their hands are
Speaker 5: going to be significantly larger than us. And I can
Speaker 5: even get a good if I do it right, I
Speaker 5: can get a good percussion sound with my hands, So
Speaker 5: it would make sense Bigfoot can get a bigger, louder one.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to sea will
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages. Yeah, I've seen people
Speaker 1: do it. Tom Powell tried to teach me to do
Speaker 1: it during his interview.
Speaker 4: It's pretty cool. A couple of months ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really cool to watch Tom do it,
Speaker 1: to watch me try it, not so much. I've definitely
Speaker 1: not perfected that, so I have to use a bad if.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do some tree knocks, and I don't
Speaker 1: do them very often. I know you travel around, I
Speaker 1: know you talk to a lot of people. I know
Speaker 1: you do some talks at libraries and things like that.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about what that experience is like,
Speaker 1: I've never done a library talk, but I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of people who do.
Speaker 4: How do you get those? How does that come to be?
Speaker 1: For you? Doing these talks give us a little dime
Speaker 1: store tour of what we could expect if somebody finds
Speaker 1: you at a library talk and you're talking bigfoot folks.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I can't speak for anybody else who does presentations, but
Speaker 5: my presentation I try to answer the questions of who,
Speaker 5: what we're when, and why of bigfooting, why we do
Speaker 5: bigfoot research. So it's at all ages. Everybody's welcome to attend.
Speaker 5: The venues don't charge. I don't charge anybody to attend
Speaker 5: my presentations. Ever, I think that's fundamentally extremely important, especially
Speaker 5: with my mission statement of getting everybody off the couch
Speaker 5: and into nature. You're gonna listen to some interesting stories about,
Speaker 5: like I said, to what, Where, when, why, bigfooting. You'll
Speaker 5: see some unfortunate circumstances that occurs when you go bigfooting.
Speaker 5: For example, You'll see when I got sprayed with bear mace.
Speaker 4: That was a good experience.
Speaker 5: You'll also see some of the top three evidence best
Speaker 5: evidence that I've come across in the field. But the
Speaker 5: coolest part of any presentation, no matter where I go
Speaker 5: in the country, is before I start any presentation, I
Speaker 5: always ask who in the audience has seen or heard
Speaker 5: a bigfoot. Sometimes it's nobody. Most of the time it's nobody,
Speaker 5: but sometimes it is And I think the most intriguing
Speaker 5: thing is at the beginning, maybe one or two people
Speaker 5: will share their experiences. By the end of the program,
Speaker 5: after I explain everything about what bigfooting is and why
Speaker 5: I do what I do in the fun that I
Speaker 5: I have half the audience has their hands up wanting
Speaker 5: to share their big foot encounter. That's the coolest thing
Speaker 5: about what I do. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of my favorite things in the world
Speaker 1: to go to a conference and see the people's excitement
Speaker 1: to be there and just be able to be in
Speaker 1: a space where you can talk about bigfoot and people
Speaker 1: not look at you like you've got three heads.
Speaker 5: A safe space is what it's about, creating a safe
Speaker 5: environment for people to share their encounters, and that's what
Speaker 5: I love to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of my favorite things about going to
Speaker 1: conferences and going to festivals and seeing everybody light up
Speaker 1: that want us to tell their stories. I've talked to
Speaker 1: so many people that have had so many amazing stories.
Speaker 1: It's tough as hell to get them on a podcast
Speaker 1: like this to talk about it, but they'll talk to
Speaker 1: you all day face to face. And it's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things to do because obviously we do all
Speaker 1: this behind the microphone and we're on with each other
Speaker 1: now face to face on the computer, but it's not
Speaker 1: the same things interacting with people face to face in
Speaker 1: real life. So it's one of my favorite things in
Speaker 1: the world. We've talked about it a couple of times
Speaker 1: about your show. You're going into your ninth season. Let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that. What's the name of it?
Speaker 1: What can people when they check it out? And where
Speaker 1: can they find it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's on YouTube. It's called In the Shadow of
Speaker 5: Big Red Eye. We have forty six hundred subscribers or
Speaker 5: something like that. We're getting up there. It's pretty cool
Speaker 5: a film. In the ninth season, we have over three
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty episodes on our YouTube channel. New episodes
Speaker 5: come out every Monday night, even as I tour the
Speaker 5: country thanks to scheduling. But yeah, it's a show. Anywhere's
Speaker 5: from ten minutes to I don't know a little bit longer.
Speaker 5: An hour depends on I try to one expedition equals
Speaker 5: one episode of my show. If I don't see anything
Speaker 5: or experience anything cool, it's going to be a relatively
Speaker 5: short episode because I don't try to add in things
Speaker 5: that don't happen. If it's a jam packed episode, it's
Speaker 5: gonna be a little bit longer. It's the nature of
Speaker 5: the beast. The cool thing about the show, and I
Speaker 5: mentioned it earlier, is I do everything myself. I don't
Speaker 5: have a production team, I don't have any sponsors. I
Speaker 5: edit the show myself. I promote the show. I do
Speaker 5: everything one hundred percent myself. I can honestly say, and
Speaker 5: what other people like about the show is it's a
Speaker 5: true show about what bigfooting is. It's not scripted. There's
Speaker 5: never a script. I may have to do a retake
Speaker 5: because I burped or something, but hey, it's all true,
Speaker 5: real bigfoot research and it's the only YouTube show that's
Speaker 5: a weekly bigfoot show that's been created.
Speaker 1: I will definitely link to it in the show notes
Speaker 1: so you guys can check it out. Do you have
Speaker 1: anything coming up speaking of traveling or are there any
Speaker 1: big dates or anything coming up in the future for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five that you want to tell people about.
Speaker 5: We already have sixty presentations on the schedule and it's
Speaker 5: just into February. Yeah, we got let's see April. Gotta
Speaker 5: get my schedule right April. I'm going south. I'm starting
Speaker 5: in Virginia and heading all the way down to Mississippi.
Speaker 4: Can't wait. It's going to be a really cool one.
Speaker 5: North Carolina, Virginia, Alabama, Mississippi. Then we get into festival
Speaker 5: season and I'm sure you're gonna be at a couple
Speaker 5: of festivals. I'm gonna see you around this year. We
Speaker 5: got the Smoky Mountain Festival, I think we got two there,
Speaker 5: the Forrest County Bigfoot Festival in June, which I'm em
Speaker 5: seeing again for the fourth year in a row, which
Speaker 5: is gonna be great.
Speaker 4: There's some huge name speakers there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's just so many places that I'm gonna be
Speaker 5: this year. It's hard not to find me if you're
Speaker 5: in the Bigfoot community. If anybody's curious about my schedule
Speaker 5: or my appearances, my website is shadow of Redeye dot
Speaker 5: com that has all of my YouTube shows, all the
Speaker 5: upcoming episodes, upcoming appearances, all that good stuff where we're
Speaker 5: looking for witnesses and if you want to be a
Speaker 5: part of the show, it tells you how to do
Speaker 5: that as well.
Speaker 1: Awesome man, I will link to it in the show notes.
Speaker 4: You guys, go over and check it.
Speaker 1: Out Shadow of Redeye dot com. Check out the YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Go over there, subscribe, watch some videos, link some comments,
Speaker 1: give them some thumbs up, give them some love. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it, Mike. It's been great to have you back
Speaker 1: on the show. Man, Dude, Brian, thank you so much.
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