Speaker 1: Tonight's guest is blinds well, looking back on.
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and no.
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raining and feeding.
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Speaker 1: From the Untold Radio Network. It's Untold Radio Am.
Speaker 6: With Monster Quest producer.
Speaker 1: Host Doug Hichek and co host Jeff Pirella Junior. Untold
Radio Am is going live right now. This show is
for entertainment purposes only. Yep, that's the ticket.
Speaker 7: Now Here are your Untold Radio A m posts, Doug
high Check, Jeff Corella Jr.
Speaker 8: And welcome everyone.
Speaker 5: Hey Jeffrey, how.
Speaker 8: Great got back my week vacation? Love it feeling good?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Good? Welcome all of our people in chat the Alans.
That word's actually pretty easy to say it in the
fringe space. I love it. Welcome to un to old
Radio Am. I am Doug high Check. And that is
Jeff Pirilla Junior, better known as the Big Ragu m
But Jeff, have you always been the Big grag gu
from your family? Uh?
Speaker 8: No, The Big Grego came up about twenty some years
ago I started being online. It's kind of my first
online handle.
Speaker 5: In the fourth.
Speaker 8: It's stuck, all right. I think it works pretty good.
I'm a big, big Italian meatball, so it works pretty good.
Speaker 5: Also, somebody who may be joining us as a guest
co host is Michael Shoe a little bit here, and
Michael is all the way from Minnesota too, so it'd
be three of us Minnesota boys. Yes, but you know,
I hope everybody had a great fourth I did, and
I had a great weekend today I did. I was
so busy I literally skid it in because my daughter
surprised me at the last second, and the vet surprised
me with a shish kabab grill dinner on the turtle drill.
I was working, so all that just kind of happened.
It once and I just got back from a ten
mile bike rides.
Speaker 8: Wow, nice good day.
Speaker 5: Ah, yeah, just the days go by too quick. So anyhow,
speaking of quick, tonight, we have a guest Brian Terrell,
right from Oklahoma, and he's from Oklahoma and he's been
researching cryptids since nineteen ninety six. How many years is that?
It's a long time, more than three thirty? Said thirty
six years, right, yeah, thirty six years, No, thirty thirty
thirty Oh yeah, forty years to two thousand and then
another twenty six thirty. Yes, you are right.
Speaker 8: I was thinking like.
Speaker 5: I was thinking like college graduate there for a minute. Okay,
what else we got? And then also we may have
a gentleman by the name of Skippy Johnson come on.
He told me some pretty creepy ghost stories the things
he was witnessed to at a somewhat local prison. So
we'll have him come on at the kind of towards
the end of the show. So if you're in the
ghost stories, you're gonna want to stick around for that.
But in the meantime, I hope you all didn't need
too many damn hot dogs. Jeff, are you guilty?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 8: Yes, I ate way too much all week.
Speaker 5: Actually I had a brought, one brought and some hot
dogs yes, I'm guilty. I guess they say you shave
what so many year minutes off your life?
Speaker 8: Whether we got dog in that case, I died four
years ago.
Speaker 5: No, it's like only three minutes a hot dog. It's
worth it, right, I love hot dogs. Yeah? Ah, what
else we've got? I guess that's probably all we're gonna do.
Clips And we've got weird and fast news. And I've
got my root beer. I've got my very ice cold
spring water sitting here in front of you. So should
we get our light stemmed, lock our doors, shut the curtains,
grab a cold beverage?
Speaker 8: Jeff, do you have I do have a nice chilled, nice,
nice cold water.
Speaker 5: Here's camouflage and one of the camouflage, one of those thermoss.
Speaker 8: Good old and no communis water.
Speaker 5: I can't camouflage mine. See it's sealed.
Speaker 8: Yea good old milk men's water. I actually like the
water in my towel. Pretty good water.
Speaker 5: Yeah that actually the Anoka water is good quality.
Speaker 8: It's good water.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, Well else, I guess that's it, So buckle up,
let's get going.
Speaker 8: Time for some news.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2: It's time for weird and Fast news.
Speaker 5: Do we want to bring Michael on before you were
a weird and fast.
Speaker 8: News if you welcome, Michael Kyrie comes.
Speaker 6: Hey, good to see you guys.
Speaker 5: I'm Michael Hire. Your connection was a little funky. I
I think I think that looks much better now. It
happens even with us once in a while, things go haywire.
We don't know why.
Speaker 8: We're kind of relying on our internet providers for an
awful lot of heavy lifting.
Speaker 10: Yeah it's the Chinese.
Speaker 5: It could be you never know. No, first up, let's
do our news go ahead. First off, is a possible
new ghost shark found off Costa Rica. Scientists and Costa
Rica have maybe it says me, so it's unverified, may
have found a new species of ghost shark near Cabo
Blanco in Cano Island. Apparently this particular ghost shark is
shorter as a shorter snout, darker color pattern, and a
much longer dorsal fin spine. And yeah it is longer
live that thing. Don't sit on that thing. So these
things apparently split from sharks nearly four hundred million years ago,
just a drop in the book.
Speaker 8: Sharks have been here a long time.
Speaker 5: Can you even fathom four hundred million years.
Speaker 8: That's a long time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it says this is basically a deep see fossil
cousins still cruising around, kind of like the Cela Cant.
So there you go. I love that story. Oh, the
Cela can story. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 9: All right.
Speaker 5: Then NASA launched a robot as a rescue mission for
a failing space telescope. NASA and Catalyst Space launched a
spacecraft call called Link to chase down the the neil.
How do you pronounce this? Cal Garyl's Swift Observatory, a
gamma ray telescope that's been slowly losing altitude. We don't
want that. It says, Link is supposed to grab or
sterilize Swift with the robotic arms boosted higher before it
falls towards destruction. And apparently NASA basically sent a tow
truck into space. Yeah, well it would be Triple S,
wouldn't it.
Speaker 8: Something like that?
Speaker 5: Like that? And did you take that picture?
Speaker 8: Actual photograph?
Speaker 5: You're such a good photographer.
Speaker 8: I called Triple A and they called Triple S and
called NASA, and yeah, did you did you have a.
Speaker 5: Ride on SpaceX to get it? Then we have a
very interesting topic scientists say quantum systems can be made
to look like time runs backwards. Now I can't even
get my my head wrapped around this. It says A
Los Alamo's team designed to quantum control methods that can
reshape the arrow of time in a quantum system, even
producing trajectories that look inverted.
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: They also quantum measurement. They also suggest quantum measurements might
be used like a thermo dynamic resource to extract useful energy.
So this is not a Dolorian right, No, no, okay,
it's a quantum physics time reverser.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Particles, Yeah, some events can send particles forward and
backward in time. Theoretically, it's pretty stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't understand it, but thank you.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, potentially you could have a warning of for example,
a major nuclear war would possibly send particles backwards and time,
so you could you could potentially have I.
Speaker 5: Got you, like a like a nuclear detector that would.
Speaker 8: Then warn Yeah, yeah, didn't we need enough cause particles
to go backwards so in time? In theory, you could
get a little bit of a warning before a catastrophe
like that.
Speaker 5: Isn't it a bunch of unverified crap? Michael, completely unverified,
totally totally yeah, I agree, all right, Next colonies have
emergency nurses, but not what you'd expect.
Speaker 8: And can they answer go back in time too or something?
Maybe they can do.
Speaker 5: A news study says carpenter ants do not have specialized medics. Instead,
injured ants are treated by workers transitioning from brood care
to foraging. These middle duty ants are socially well connected
in their nest, and carpenter ants already know how to
do wound care like what who ever thought? It's pretty
wild even they even perform amputations to stop infections. So
forget Grave's anatomy. The ants have traumacare. Michael, is that
on verified crap?
Speaker 6: It's totally unverified.
Speaker 8: That actually is verified. I've seen videos of it. They'll
actually amputate injured limbs to Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 5: Well, when I was when I was splunking in Belize,
I swear to god, I ripped my nylon shirt and
this Navy seal guy that we were with, Pizza Zabrinski,
took I don't know kind of answer, were kind of
hands he don't want to mess with, and he stapled
up my shirt with him. So cool, had ant hits
all over my shirt. It worked. They never came undone.
I used it for all the rest of the trip.
He said, best stitches ever. You said you can stitch up.
You can stitch up wounds too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's pretty crazy. You can't stitch up wounds with that.
It's pretty loud.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh painful though, all right. Next to parasitic plants,
steals hosting and A and uses it as its own. Researchers,
what did you say, Jeff, that's creepy. Yeah, that is creepy.
It looks like a little uh like it's climbing. Of course,
Jeff took the picture and that's why he's he's aware
of this. He went down to the jungles of coast
Rica to get this.
Speaker 8: This is just this morning to step back.
Speaker 5: God, it's crazy at what we do to get you guys.
Speaker 8: The news spanning the globe.
Speaker 5: Yes, researchers found that the whola hole of parasitic plant Jeff,
and you can pronounce the plant name, go ahead. Uh,
that was pretty damn good. Which cannot photos symphasis that's
a tough word. Due, I I know how to say it.
Photos sympis sympths photo. Yeah, there you go, my brain
just exploded. It has acquired a mitochon udal genes from
the host plant. Even stranger, some of those stolen genes
become functional and replace its original genes, so the plant
doesn't just steal food, it steals the instruction manual. Is
that verified, Michael?
Speaker 6: That's scary. I don't know if it's verified or not,
but it's scary.
Speaker 5: Just scary. Perfect. That's a good comment. All right. Then
we have uh uh perseverance found complex organic manner of Mars. Gosh,
keep getting dejah who every time I hear this crap.
NASA's Perseverance rover detected macro molecular carbon. That's a mouthful
in rocks from Bright Angel Bright Angel formation at the
U zero crater. You've gone to the zero Cre're right, Jeff,
except that's where you were.
Speaker 8: Did you get my pictures?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think you took Michael with you, as I remember,
you didn't invite me. Yeah, great trip. Next time invite me, Michael.
Speaker 8: We'll let you know.
Speaker 5: Thank you. It says, well, this is not proof of life,
but it strengthens the idea that the building blocks of
life that once again, the word may have been widely
present in ancient Martian lakes and rivers. So Mars still
is insane life. They still haven't admitted there's there was
life there, but it keeps leaving us suspicious little clues
and breadcrumbs.
Speaker 8: Yeah, pretty cool. I think it's gonna we're going to
find eventually, it's definitive finds of life there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I don't think theres any life right now, but I.
Speaker 5: Like, just like a fossil or something.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there's be evidence that life existed there.
Speaker 5: What say you, Michael, You think they'll find a foss
of some creature on Mars.
Speaker 10: I don't know, but I guess if we keep looking,
you never know what they're going to find.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 8: And it's a big planet. We've only seen within walking
distance basically from the landing spots.
Speaker 6: I mean, and they're only scratching the surface.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's true, Yeah, just barely. So.
Speaker 8: I don't think there's to be creatures, you know, evidence
of you know, of complex animals there. But I think
there's almost certainly gonna be evidence of you know, really
simple life there.
Speaker 5: And can you guys, can you guys both say heartburn?
Which is what I'm getting from the barbecue. I just did.
I'm thinking, has anybody else there got a tombs you
can pass me? Oh jeez, all right, about twenty minutes.
That'd be awesome. All right. Ruben Observatory started filming the
greatest cosmic movie ever, the Veris Reuben Observatory. He began
its ten year legacy UH survey of space and Time
started on June thirtieth. It has been scanning the Southern
sky repeatedly with a three thousand, two hundred megapixel camera.
Is that bigger than your camera, Michael? Yes, okay, building
a massive time lapse of the universe. It has already
found about eleven eleven thousand new asteroids, including near Earth objects.
So the universe just got its own security camera. So
there you go. Interesting.
Speaker 8: I've never seen the Southern sky like I've never been
self the equator. I would very much like to see you.
Speaker 5: I thought you were there this morning to get that picture.
Speaker 8: It was it was too bright. I could see the stars.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, next a fossil x lottle. That's a that's
a tough one. Accellent, three times acillttle accellt axil lottle.
Well done, Yes, thank you. I can't see The other
word with the photo sympathisis I get tongue titan? Certain words,
A fossil Axlettle species rewrites Mexico's salamander history and Jeff
just swam down into the clear streams in Mexico and
took that. Damn you're good quite but la. This week,
it says, researchers identified a new fossil Axlettle species, and
it's called Jeff. Do you want to take a stab
at the.
Speaker 8: Amicult?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I get that. What's the coliat thing?
Speaker 8: Good?
Speaker 5: From Lago Mexico. Apparently, Wired reported July fourth that it's
the first fossil salamanders species formally described in Mexico in
the oldest known record of a Amnistoma genus. There, the
fossil shows traits tied to Neo Tinney. Oh my god,
this is such a BS article, the ax Lottle, famous famous.
This is the axlttle famous never grow.
Speaker 8: Up trap Neotenny and he never really develops past the
uh kind of past the tadpole stage. It doesn't fully develop.
That's what hanging out like that.
Speaker 5: It's like one of those nuts taking newt they don't
ever get must be a newt cousin, cousin. Yeah, and
you see that fossil Jeff found and laid it right there,
right there, Coke the ax lottle to crawl up on
that rock for the perfect picture. Isn't that the perfect picture?
Speaker 8: Mike the work.
Speaker 5: It's amazing the photography that you get. Oh my god,
that was you know what that was? That was all
weird and boring news, a little bit unverified. All right,
let's do our clips, and I think all we have
is clips, and we're gonna bring Brian on correct. Yeah,
so you better get ready, Brian.
Speaker 8: Alright, let's play some clips.
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 8: All right.
Speaker 5: Clip one is from my one of my favorite channels.
It probably is one of yours too, the channel called
Bikes and Beards. But they went and they bought a
Chinese bike on Amazon and they it was supposedly a
twin cylinder bike. And I wouldn't have put this clip in,
but I'm telling you, I spit my coffee out when
I was watching this. It was so funny. So they started,
they put it together, whatever they had to do, and
they started and this is the sound from me twin
cylinder cruiser motorcycle.
Speaker 11: Go ahead, play it?
Speaker 5: Did you imagine. Thank you. I can't anyhow, Thank you
Sean for that channel.
Speaker 8: If you're into motorcycles, bikes and beards, it's.
Speaker 5: A channel, it is. Yeah, I just lot of fun
you okay. The number two. The sound is okay. This
is a giant squid egg simulation. I think about two
weeks ago we covered the find of this giant squid
egg because it's been a mystery and apparently this happened
like in Norway or somewhere over there. But go ahead
and play this clip.
Speaker 12: It's divers found a squid egg sack the size of
a car off the coast of Norway. The eggs were real, confirmed,
but no one has ever seen the mother and nobody
wants to.
Speaker 8: There you go, all right, that's very dramatic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. It just makes people think, right when they
have a visual. Of course, that was Ai the visual
all right. Clip three. The sound is good. This. I've
never seen a baby tip here or taper they call
them there, But anyhow, look at the like this thing.
It's amazing. The coloration of the camera floy isn't that amazing?
Speaker 8: As if they were as if they weren't weird enough, weird.
Speaker 5: Enough exactly so this thing is kind of stolen the internet.
Have you you know what what part of the country
are tip peers from?
Speaker 8: Michael Africa?
Speaker 6: Are they no clue?
Speaker 5: Can somebody look that up? Somebody look it up? We
need to know.
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure they're from Africa, but I could want
some in the audience will look it up.
Speaker 5: They'll fact Jack okay, and the Native trackers says that
giants Humboldt squid up to two thousand bones. That's possible.
Who knows. We don't know what's working, all right, sort
of got next to four clip four. The sound is good.
This is a canary whale or what they call it
bluega whale they live in in the article, and I
thought this was cool because she's really showing how they
make their audio, all the audio, and they've trained this
well to perform certain sounds on c so I found
it interesting. Good play.
Speaker 13: Did you know blue whales talk through the whole located
on top of their head. Blue whales play can make
a wide variety of sounds from the two air sacks
that they can manipulate through that bow hole. Blue whales
can make very high range noises and very low quila
has over fifteen different vocalizations that she knows.
Speaker 14: I c.
Speaker 13: A common misconception is that bluega whales talk through their mouths,
but they do not.
Speaker 8: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, who would have Who would have thought? That's what
I saw like when I smack my knuckles on them.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're need animals. They genuinely seem to like humans,
which is kind of unique. Even in the wild. They
seem to really like humans.
Speaker 5: Well, there's been There was that one that went viral ward.
I think a girl dropped her phone in the bole
of the pool at a zoo and the thing went
down and got it and gave it back to her.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're pretty neat. They're smart.
Speaker 5: Do we have we have bluga whales that the Minnesota's
Who don't we Michael?
Speaker 6: I have never seen one.
Speaker 5: No, never have you ever been to the Minnesota Zoo.
Speaker 10: I've been there, but I've never seen one there.
Speaker 5: I could have swore they did. I swear, but I could.
Speaker 8: Be wrong, not now, but I know I'm pretty sure
they did at one point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, at one point all right? And did an'tbody
find out where those tippiers are from? Central and South America?
That's what I thought. I stand corrected, Yeah, I did
not for me Africa. I can't tell people unverified information
like that. Ever, Well, at one point they were in Africa,
you know, everything was probably there at one point. Yeah,
all right.
Speaker 11: Clip five.
Speaker 5: Sound is really good on this. This is how dubaid
does fireworks. I had to put this in because I
thought it was pretty weird.
Speaker 9: Go ahead and play this, guys about a second bucket?
Speaker 15: Yes, okay, anyta do?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 8: Oh wow, it's crazy.
Speaker 11: Wow.
Speaker 5: I don't think that would be kind of a fire answer, right.
Speaker 6: I don't think.
Speaker 15: Who the bumble, guys, you gotta do?
Speaker 6: That's sad?
Speaker 5: Whoa there? You go? All right?
Speaker 11: Answer?
Speaker 8: Oh that's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 5: Some ways it looks like AI. It's unverified. It could
Pete Tennessee, we don't know who in Dubai.
Speaker 6: Is that what I just saw?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So how long will it be? Michael? Because you're
a bit of a AI. You're actually editing an AI
documentary right now? What's it called? Can you even say?
Speaker 10: Machine?
Speaker 5: God? Cool? And they say that maybe it's like one
to two years that the humans will not be able
to perceive AI video or film from reality. I don't
know if that's true.
Speaker 10: What do you say, I think we're already there, so okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean it's definitely your question it But like, for instance,
I saw one today that I could tell was it
was like there's a lot of people like inventing products
on using AI and they're trying to market them and
they're scams, right, something that everybody would really want, And
so then they go they have a website. You gotta
be careful of this, and they offer things for sale,
and then you're gonna get suckered because it ain't gonna
be real. Like they're putting out like new types of
cars to get deposits and new types of motorcycles and
it's all bs. It's just scams. And but if you
watch a lot of times, you'll see something like one
aspect of it disappear. You know, it'll do something that's
completely impossible. So if you're really in doubt, just have
it more eyes, you know, put more eyes on it.
Usually there's flaws right now with AI, but it's getting crazy.
The issues with appendages are almost gone because I remember
when it couldn't even get you know, the right amount
of toes right fingers, which I went, oh man, there's
no hope for this stuff. But it's pretty good now,
well occasionally, but yeah, Northwest Native Tracker says, face to
face business only good good rule I can get ripped off.
And it seems like all right, and then let's see
here we have six which is really interesting. This will
probably kind of we kind of grocy out a little bit,
but it's not too bad. Go ahead and play it.
So you see this snake looking thing right here. This
is so cool. This is something I've only read about.
Look at this. This is not a snake. Those are
millions of creature.
Speaker 16: Those are black winged fruitfly larvae and they are in
fact purposely mimicking a snake. And they're moving to a
new food source. And that's not the only one. There's
another group of them right here.
Speaker 5: They probably look more.
Speaker 10: I've never I've seen this in person.
Speaker 5: I have probably looked more.
Speaker 16: Articles, alight enough, but I got the idea gross wild, gross,
very gross.
Speaker 5: Right, So that's the fake snake nature is definitely weird. Now,
A friend, Carl Crusher, released this today. He didn't produce
the clip, but he released it and talked about it.
So let's go ahead and play.
Speaker 17: Carl Ufo Whistleblower David Grush is coming out in the
media a lot more lately and revealing a ton more
details about things that he's seen in classified u f
FO files.
Speaker 5: Check this out.
Speaker 18: Tell us about some that you've seen that defy the ordinary.
Speaker 19: Yeah, certainly, some of them are ordinary, and some of
them end up being you know, foreign programs and our
our own blue programs.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 19: I've seen a lot of different interesting anomalist videos where
we had you know, orbs cooler than background temperature, moving
at four hundredknots, you know, things like that. Certainly, like
I said in my presser on Tuesday, I did get
access to crash retrieval photos and everything. So I've seen
the recovered vehicles and everything. So I would say that's
probably the most stupendous thing, earth shattering thing that you know,
changed my worldview to some of that years ago. And
I do hope the administration and I think they will
release that information. In a further drop, David, I.
Speaker 18: Got to just jump in real quick there and give
you a chance to talk about these crash site vehicles
because you got the hair on my wrist standing up
just real quickly. I don't want to fill a us
for Joey hair. But I'm very into this. Tell me
about these crash sites that you've seen.
Speaker 19: Personally, Yeah, a lot of them looked like what we saw.
Some of the reporting dropped on Friday. There was a
nineteen forty eight memo from the Chief Naval Operations that
discussed the flying disc pandemic that they were having, and
they were enlisting help of the Air Force Intelligence Service.
A lot of it was lenticular discs, some was crescent
moon shapes. I call it the flat and sunfish. There's
a bunch of different morphologies that this government has recovered
from eggs, the discs, uh to to you know, crescent
moon boomerangu type vehicles, and and I got a small
smattering sample of that of of ones that have uh
you know, landed or crashed on the surface of the earth.
Speaker 5: Of that crap. So what do you think of those shapes?
Speaker 8: Crazy?
Speaker 5: Crazy, Michael, What do you think?
Speaker 10: Freaky?
Speaker 5: Freaky, freaky, just freaky. Oh my goodness, let's see here,
clip eate no sound. This is the world's biggest hula hoop.
Do not try this at home. Do not make one
out of a trampoline or anything to try this. Go
ahead and play this. This is crazy. Oh god, could
you imagine getting nothing going around you? He does get
it going. Wow, it's amazing.
Speaker 8: That's pretty wild.
Speaker 5: I might leave a bruiser two.
Speaker 9: Damage.
Speaker 5: Yeah, internal kidney damage and don't do that at all. Okay, enough,
and then the end of that crap. And then speaking
of Mars, since we were talking about Mars, and you
guys want without me to Mars, let's blease. Yeah, next time,
please clip nine sounds. Okay, this is a Mars dust devil,
completely unverified. The stile and orders.
Speaker 6: It's a I.
Speaker 5: That could mean AI discover, although I do I do
know that. All right, that's enough, we'll get the idea.
So you're you're saying A on that one? Are you verify?
Are you verifying that a I?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 5: Okay, uh, look is it clip? Yeah?
Speaker 8: This is the last one.
Speaker 5: Okay, So this phenomena is real? Is what this? She's
a senator, right, isn't that congresswoman? Congress woman? Yeah, well
it's Anna Luna.
Speaker 8: Yeah, she's really been out on on board of this
stuff's she has been.
Speaker 5: But listen to this little clip.
Speaker 1: Do you know something that has not been released?
Speaker 8: Do you know things that you feel the American people
should know.
Speaker 20: There will be an announcement soon on one other kind
of factor to all this, But it's nothing that I think.
It'll just be kind of give the assurance that people
will understand that the phenomena is real. But no, I mean,
for the most part, everything that we have been able
to discuss in a skiff we can now talk about publicly.
And what I will say is, without a doubt, the
phenomena is real.
Speaker 5: There you go. Interesting.
Speaker 6: Who does she represent?
Speaker 5: I don't know what state.
Speaker 8: That sounds positive.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty she's been kind of dogging the UFO mystery.
She's the one that kind of leaked out that she
had heard that all of the visitors are intered dimensional.
They're not from another planet, they're interdimensional. So we'll find out.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure what that means. What does that mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, that means they're from a different dimension. They're
not necessarily from another planet, that they might be right
here just from a one dimension over. And of course
they're saying there could be up to eleven thousand or
more dimensions that we're living right next to. Unverified. Of course,
I can't verify that. I can't verify it but they
are doing quantum computing. Yes, they are doing formulas that
would normally take a billion years or more in under
three seconds. And they're claiming that they can do this
computing that fast because it's using all of these other
dimensions at the same time, giving them, you know, eleven
thousand times of computing power. Then so they're quant computers
are real. What do you know about quantum computers, Mike, I.
Speaker 6: Know nothing about nothing.
Speaker 5: Well, jeez, I don't know why your brother does.
Speaker 10: I bet yeah you might. I think there are there
are companies that are supposedly doing quantum computing and that
type of thing, but it's unclear what they're really doing. Yeah,
it's true, and there's people paying them to do this
stuff because they have revenue.
Speaker 6: Right, it's unclear what they're really doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that answer plus five cents will get you five
cents maybe exactly. Okay, I think that's it. We're dealing
with their clips and let's do we have to take
just a really quick do you want to throw up
that postcard before we take a break?
Speaker 8: Sure?
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and check out the prices. And we'd love to meet you.
So I will be there, and I've got a great talk,
So I will not be there. No, you're gonna be
at the Minnesota one, aren't you?
Speaker 8: Most likely I'm planning on being at the Minnesota one
for sure.
Speaker 5: At the same Darby or cut Ken Gearhart, Lauren Coleman, doctor,
doctor Maria Mayer will be there. I'll be there, Adam Davies,
Steve Coles, and so it should be a great All right,
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Speaker 8: And we are back.
Speaker 5: We are back quickly, and let me introduce Brian. And
by the way, we we also have Skippy Johnson back there,
and he's got some creepy stories to tell too. But
we might bring him on anytime. Maybe Brian will say, yeah,
I want to take a break for a few minutes,
and we'll bring on. Not Skippy anyhow. So Brian Terrell
is an Oklahoma based educator who teaches robotics in electronics automation. Hey,
we could have used him when we built the Bigfoot
robot couldn't win.
Speaker 8: You've done a job in me, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: Well it did did work good. Though it was good,
it was so creepy, Jeff. No one wanted to deploy
that bigfootout, including me. We were worried what would happen. Yeah,
it was scary, Actually it really was scary. But anyhow,
we could have used the fun project. So anyhow. He
combines a passion for technology with a lifelong interest in
the unexplained phenomena. He has been researching cryptids since nineteen
ninety six. He is the author of two books, Oklahoma
Cryptozoology one O one and Enter the dog Man The
Bipedal Canine Archetype. He has experienced several cryptid encounters that
further motivated his pursuit of objective, evidence based field investigation.
Oh I like that. Brian's research interest focus on practical
investigative methods whenever possible. His areas of interest include hare microscopy,
audio analysis, amateur wildlife tracking, and the study of foot
morphology proper evidence collection in documenting the pair normal aspects
of cryptid encounters. Brian is committed to contributing to a thoughtful,
evidence based understanding of the cryptid phenomena. And by god,
it is a phenomena. Were ending. A lot of people go,
you know, why do you guys waste your time on that? Well,
I tell people, because it's fueled every day by new sightings.
That's why we waste their time on it. It's not
a wasted time. Oh yeah, of course. And I know, Michael,
I know you're interested in the topic big time. Michael
is the man who was really responsible to finding the
publisher for legitimate science. So anybody who owns the legitimate
science you can thank the guy, right there at the
bottom of your screen, because probably without him it may
not have happened. Jeff wrote it, but Michael got it
sold to a big publisher, big traditional publisher in fact.
So thank you, Michael. I'm still still in debt for
you on that.
Speaker 6: And I was the first editor too.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's true. That's why there's so many mistakes in
the book.
Speaker 6: I'm the second editor.
Speaker 5: Cut all the oh the second Okay, I got youa edie.
Let's bring on Brian Durell.
Speaker 6: Welcome, Brian. Hey, guys, Hey, thanks for having me on.
It's honored to be here.
Speaker 5: Hey Brian, by the way, you got the best voice
in the entire world. Love. I think that means so well,
you're it's working. It's working good. So the first thing
I want to do is, you know, there's literally a
lot of sightings in Oklahoma period of like bigfoots. Why
do you think that it's Is it the environment? Is
it the amount of wildlife? I mean it's right in
the middle of the US. Is it the weather? What
the heck goes on? Why is there so many cryptid
sightings in Oklahoma?
Speaker 6: Well, I think that the first thing I'd have to
throw out there is is man. You know, there's a
the habitat is there. It's really good habitat. I read
somewhere that Oklahoma has more miles of shoreline than Florida
does because of all of our lakes and rivers and everything,
and we've got, you know, a lot more woods than
what people think. A lot of times people hear Oklahoma
and they think, oh, it's the great American desert, you know,
and some of us were taught that whenever we were
in kids in school. And that's really only the case
in far northwestern Oklahoma right anywhere else. You know, every
time you've got a river, you've got a major forest,
you know, woodland area that's surrounding that river, which is
basically like a super highway for these things.
Speaker 5: Is the human population lower in Oklahoma than a lot
of other states?
Speaker 6: To think, well, I would say yes, but it's kind
of hit and miss. Like you get into your Oklahoma
City metro area Tulsa. Yeah, there's a huge dense population there,
but you get outside of that and it really starts
to dwindle. So when you when you really compare how
what our population is compared to you know, like how
many bigfoot and set dog man, reports are coming out
of the state. That's actually pretty impressive. I've always considered
Oklahoma to be like, you know, you know, just a
really unknown resource for cryptid activity, you know, because there's
just there's it seems like there's so much going on.
And as you guys know, man, you've got to have
a human in the first place to have have a report,
you know, and without So you know, you take the
number of reports and you kind of like factor them
in with the population density of the area, and that
kind of gives you a little bit better idea of
what you're looking at. And we don't we don't have
huge populations of people in Oklahoma. We're not We're not
like California.
Speaker 5: So right, and it's I've not done a lot. I've
gone through Oklahoma a few times. But is it a
lot of hills, valleys and hills or is it pretty
much all flat? Can you describe the elevations?
Speaker 6: Well, so it's almost like you could take Oklahoma and
you can cut it in four pieces.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: Then the far northwest corner that's where I live. You know,
it's more open fields and some prairies, a lot of
wheatland and stuff like that. A lot of crops are
grown out there, and that provides a lot of good
food sources, you know. But if you go to southwest Oklahoma,
which has a really large bigfoot and dog man population,
you know, that's completely different topography. I mean, it's real
rocky and and it's it's kind of like some really
old mountains down through there, and it's it looks I mean,
it looks like an old John Wayne movie, you know,
and you think that the Indians are gonna come out
of the woodwork and ambush or something, you know, just
judging by the terrain and everything. And but if you
go up into the northeast, it's a little bit flatter,
but yet heavily heavily forested. And then you go down
to the southeastern corner of the state, of course you've
got those little short mountains and you've got all kinds
of rock formations and heavily wooded as well. So it's
it's very different. We've even got small deserts in northwest Oklahoma.
Speaker 5: So no, that is where Area X is located, as
I remember, Oklahoma.
Speaker 6: Southeast southeast southeast Oklahoma. Have you been there before, Uh, yeah,
oh you have, yeah, yeah, just recently actually.
Speaker 5: So, oh, is that anything you can even talk about
or should we avoid that?
Speaker 6: I think we're already talking about it. Yeah, I wasn't
planning on talking about it, but yeah, we we've been
down there before. We plan on going back. It's it's
a it's great habitat. You know, there's a cucumber Creek
flows right through the valley and it's really good clean water,
weird fauna down in there, and uh, there's just something
about the way that you get down inside there. The
last time we were there, there was a big storm
that kind of came through, and even though it was
like really windy and everything, it wasn't that bad down
in the valley. But we had to when we came out,
which it is it is exceptionally difficult to get in
and out of, to the point where I'm contemplating buying
a Jeep Gladiator for my next rig.
Speaker 5: Really, so it's tough to get into.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but we we had to. We had to
cut up and move I think somewhere around eleven or
twelve trees that had blown over the road and we
had to go in and one of them was substantial.
It took us probably thirty minutes to buck it up
and wow, get yeah, to get get past it. So
it was impressive.
Speaker 5: Are you sure they're blowdowns and pushdowns? Well it was.
Speaker 6: It was howling pretty good winds. So I'm going to
give mother Nature the nod on that one.
Speaker 5: Gosh. And so the first thing he went out there,
we'll switch this. I don't want to get you know,
because I know they want to keep that area of pristine.
But did you find the area impress of the first
time we were there?
Speaker 11: Like?
Speaker 6: Wow, yeah, everything, it checked all the boxes. It's remote
and it's isolated and uh, you know it just it
does check all the boxes. To be honest with you,
I haven't even reviewed my audio from the place whenever
we were down there last. I need to get off
my butt and do that. But if you've ever reviewed audio,
it's tedious. So but anyway, No, it's it checks all
the boxes. It's just really difficult to get in and
out of. But it's it's not the only right, yeah, exactly,
there's there's a lot of hot spots. O.
Speaker 5: Well, okay, we have so many things to talk to
you with about, Brian, but you know, everybody else starts.
How did you get interested in you know and get
into this, and I don't even know if if you
want to waste time on that, but I know you've
had some sightings. Was it a sighting first of encryptied
and then you got interested or were you interested anyhow.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I basically kind of got interested because
of some weird stuff that happened to me when I
was a kid, but I didn't quite figure out what
it was at the time. And then you know, later on,
just like a lot of people, you know, I watched
the Legend of Boggy Creek, and when I watched that,
you know, it kind of clicked. A lot of things clicked,
you know, and make a long story short, I started
looking for these creatures fairly actively in ninety six when
I bumbled into my first case file, really and you know,
ever since then, you know, I've kind of had my
eyes to the ground. But for a long I didn't
start networking and playing nicely with others until like twenty seventeen,
whenever I started red dirrit cryptids. But you know, my
first actual encounter with so it was probably two thousand
and three and I saw something while I was driving
home at night, and it was kind of like a
pterodactyl type creature, and that was just kind of a
very fleeting thing, and it was it was kind of
tough to identify, you know, the first time I.
Speaker 5: Saw it, and then well, what did you see?
Speaker 6: Well, I was driving a service van, you know, and
i'd been out working at a cell phone tower out
in the panhandle of northwestern Oklahoma, and I was coming home.
It was like one o'clock in the morning, and this
flash of that looked like a giant batwing basically flew
right in front of my van. Honestly, I was surprised.
I didn't I didn't hit it, but it was so
big that, you know, it completely blocked out my whole windshield.
You know, I couldn't see anything for half a second
when this thing flip by.
Speaker 5: So you saw it like giant bat like leathery type.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. But the weird thing was that it happened
so fast and it was so fat. I kind of
convinced myself that it had to have been like a
brown tarp or something.
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, I've gotta I gotta talk to you more
about this, only because I also had something It swooped
at the car. At mean event, we're in we were
driving back from those lake. In fact, Lawn talked about
it on a show uh Friday, I think Strickler did.
But it happened very quick, dropped out of the sky.
It's just came in our windshields so fast, and we
saw it, berylin towards our windshield. But when it got close, Brian,
I mean it's wings where it's white, which is the freeway. Now,
so you say terodactyl was it? Is it possible it
was some other kind of creature besides the pterodactyl with
bat wings on it, giant bat wings.
Speaker 6: Well that was That was two thousand and three. You know,
I had no frame of reference for what I was
looking at.
Speaker 5: And then the headlights did it like yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 6: Was in the headlights. It was. It was real close,
and you know I basically saw one wing and whatever
it was. I mean, if I had to guess based
on this very brief encounter, I would say that this
thing probably had a I don't know, somewhere between a
twelve and twenty foot wingspan something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, okay. But the reason I bring it up,
I just wonder if you didn't see the same thing
we saw.
Speaker 6: No, this was in northwest Oklahoma. But something something, a
creature like that could get around.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, obviously there could be many. They're they're having
a lot of sightings, believe it or not, in Chicago. Now.
That's been going on for years. I don't know if
you're aware of that. Yeah, I've been kind of following that.
I don't know what to make of that. I don't either.
It just sounds too crazy, right, It just sounds too
crazy kind of does but a giant bat with twenty
foot wingspan sounds crazy enough?
Speaker 6: Yeah, whether the story is actually not over. So I
literally kind of mentally dismissed it. I told myself, it's
like it had to have been like a brown tarp
or something that was was blowing across the road at
the time.
Speaker 5: Jeez.
Speaker 6: But anyway, I like two years later, I was driving
down the exact same stretch of highway. Basically it was
like three o'clock in the morning. This time I was
doing the same thing, working on cell phone towers, and
this time I saw another one, but this one was smaller,
and I would say this thing probably had an eight
foot wingspan, and it was further in front of my
van and I got a pretty good look at it,
and it basically, you know how like you see pictures
of bats and you know, how they're reaching out in
front of them and then they do That's that's what
I saw. And it was definitely flapping its wings. And
I was totally minded blown by that, and I didn't
know what to make of it. I got on the
internet at the time, but I wasn't very I didn't,
you know, I just kind of looked it up. Giant
bats is what I was googling things like giant bats,
you know, and I saw some of those images of
those bats from South America and stuff like that. But
kind of led me nowhere, you know, Yeah, and you know,
it dawned on me, is like, man, I'm like one
of twelve service guys that go out here, and you know,
we do work in this area all the time. I thought, maybe,
well I've seen this thing twice now, maybe one of
the other guys in the opoles.
Speaker 5: How close did they both come to your car?
Speaker 6: Well, the first one I almost hit it. It was
it was so close that you know, I could only
see like that wing thing, you know. But the second one,
I would say, I don't know, it's probably forty to
fifty feet in front of my vehicle.
Speaker 5: Okay, but don't you find it a little weird that
that me also was right in front of the windshield,
and you've had two sightings like that in front of
your In other words, it's as if they're attacking the
car or trying to scare the occupant. They are trying
to be seen for sure.
Speaker 6: Knowing themselves out. That thought crossed my mind. But you know,
if this thing and I've taken a lot of reports
from these creatures from Oklahoma and make a long story short,
most of the sightings, like of the sightings are either
at night or at dusk, you know, so they're there.
If they're primarily nocturnal, that's the only kind of sighting
you're going to get from them.
Speaker 5: Gosh, yeah, ours was the two in the morning.
Speaker 6: Let me see.
Speaker 5: It was like, yeah, it was in the middle of
the night and during a full moon, and it got
to the point where, I mean it was lit up
by my head lights.
Speaker 6: That was me and I'm not even sure about the
I mean it was either it appeared to be kind
of a brownish color, both of them did. But I
can't help you know how sometimes those Haligen headlights and stuff,
they'll mess with the coloring of things that you see.
I'm not one hundred percent positive that it was brown,
but the first one that I saw, I'm fairly confident,
was considerably larger than the second one. And that kind
of disturbed me because I was like, well, that means
there's a breeding population.
Speaker 5: Well, LN calls them. I love the name. I don't
know what it means really, but he calls them ultra terrestrials,
meaning he believes they're coming from like another dimension or something.
You know, it's just not it's not a creature living
in the woods eaton deer, you know. It's it's it's
like a time thing or there, some kind of an
alien type creature that likes to come into our time
zone and hunt people sort of or scare them. And
Lon eventually, I mean, Lan had a sighting when he
was a kid or young guy, and that's that's why
he got interested in it. A lot of people don't
report them flapping their wings. They just report them, you know, gliding,
and the one we saw never flapped its wings. In fact,
when it drops straight down from the sky from maybe
two to three thousand feet up, it drops right down
with its wings open, which makes zero sense, right, Yeah,
and then came right towards it just kept coming towards
the winchields. So we're just coming towards each other, you know,
one hundred and forty miles an hour.
Speaker 6: Now, it's kind of nuts.
Speaker 5: I don't know. We'll have to talk to me about well,
have to talk off offline about that a little bit more.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got several reports.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's it's it's interesting. I don't know how
interesting people are in that, but I can tell you
what I saw was real. We both saw it. I
don't know where to file it. I don't know where
to categorize it. I just put it in the gray basket, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6: That's all you can do is start a massive data
and just hope that it leads you somewhere tangible.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, and so it is fascinating though that we
live in a crazy world anyhow. Okay, so you saw that,
that's life change. That alone is actually life changing.
Speaker 6: You know, it's pretty weird.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: It was pretty weird.
Speaker 5: I can tell you're, like, I can just the way
the look on your face, Matt, that or Brian that
it's kind of taking you back mentally. Yeah, I mean
I can tell I give him that same kind of
a I get a little glazed over because I'm just like, God,
did that really happen? Yeah? It did.
Speaker 6: So okay's a lot of weird things out there other
than just bigfoot. So yeah, yeah, there's there's there was
that incident, and you know, that was that was what
first made me clam up because I made the mistake
of talking to the guys at were because you know,
and so they started calling me Batman for a while.
So that's kind of why for many years I kind
of kept my interest, you know, underground.
Speaker 5: That hurts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, especially when you know, you think they're your friends.
Speaker 5: But you didn't wake up one day and see, you
know what, I think, I really want to see a
wing giant creature flying front of my windshielder.
Speaker 6: No, that was that was not part of the plan,
that's for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but now we and then later I think it
was like two thousand, it was two thousand and seven,
you know, I had a dog man encounter whenever I
was driving out to one of our family farms. And
this was during the middle of the day, and I
had no idea what I was what I was looking
at with this thing at the time. You know, I
just thought I was looking at a some kind of
wolf hybrid dog with with gigantism or something, you know,
and I just kind of put that in a box
and I thought to myself, it's like, man, that thing's
not going to live very long because some ranchers going
to put a thirty six round to it's ass and
that'll be the end of that. And but you know,
fast forward a couple more years, you know, and well
you no.
Speaker 5: No, no, Brian, let's pack the truck up to that one.
Speaker 1: Well it was big.
Speaker 6: I know, I would say that just judging by you know,
cattle weights and stuff like that, I'd say it was
probably five hundred pounds.
Speaker 14: It was.
Speaker 6: It was massive. It was a massive dog man, Yeah,
on two legs, legs he was on four legs. If
if he would have stood up and start walking around
and by pealely, I probably would have crapped my pants.
I mean, I you know, it was weird enough seeing
a canine that large, but he was unusually proportioned at
the time, and I remember thinking that he was odd,
especially as he was running away. He looked a little funny,
you know, because his rear haunches were lower than his
front legs, like I you know, look kind of had
a hyena look.
Speaker 5: That's what some people describe him when they're on all for.
Speaker 6: Well, he to me ran funny, you know. It's kind
of ran with his butt down towards the ground, is
what it looked like whenever I first saw it. And uh,
but I've seen, you know, German short hair pointer bird
dogs do that, and so I didn't think a whole
lot of it at the time. I just thought, oh,
that's funny, it runs like a German short hair you know,
because I've seen some some bird dogs that they'll kind
of lower their butt whenever they're really kicking it into
high gear. And but yeah, that was that was really weird.
Other than that, it kind of looked like a really
broad chested black bird wolf. And the head, you know,
just kind of looked kind of like a cross between
a German shepherd and a wolf. And it was it
was solid black. I never got to I never got
to look at the hands or anything like that.
Speaker 5: I mean, did it did you see like muscles like
in the front legs or arms.
Speaker 6: I guess yeah. It kind of reminded me of like
some of those pictures you see of pit bulls that
kind of have the muscled up chest, except it was
a lot shaggyar for a lot shag ear for But
like I said, I at the time, I just assumed
that it was some kind of, you know, weird animal
that was a freak of nature or something, you know,
And so I didn't know what to make of it
at the time. I had no idea there was a
name for it or anything. It wasn't until many years
later when I was listening to Sasquatch Chronicles or something
like that a podcast, and they were talking about this
dog man thing and I kept hearing them talking about it,
and I was picturing this this centaur like thing with
the body of a dog and the head of a man,
and I was like, that's the most pass nine thing
I ever heard of. And finally they kept talking about it,
so I did like a google at search time. I
was like, oh my god, you know, I think I've
seen this, and and that was that was a moment,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 9: It was.
Speaker 6: It's kind of shocking, really.
Speaker 5: How tall would you say the back of it was,
or at the tallest part, maybe the top of the
year or the top he was.
Speaker 6: I would say, you know, if he could probably if
I was standing around, I'm six to one, and I
would say he was probably sitting down, he could probably
almost look me in the eye. I'm probably a little
bit taller than he was. But still, you're talking about
a massive, massive animal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, people don't realize when you when you say massive animal,
would you compare it to like a grizzly bear type
bulk or height.
Speaker 6: Or well I've never seen a grizzly but I have
been around black bears, and this thing would dwarf black bears,
but black bears are not very big. Yeah, but yeah,
this this thing was about the size of a you know,
a younger cow.
Speaker 5: And now, how do you know I guess the biggest
question that people might be thinking that are thinking this
is all bull How would you know if you didn't
if it was just a regular wolf that you've seen,
you know, a timber wolf, because they are pretty tall.
Speaker 6: Well, I could see where at a distance a fella
could you know, confuse this, but this thing was only
about sixty five yards from my truck. Okay, and it
was it was real close, and that was you know,
when I first saw it, my first thought was this man,
that's a big old dog. And then it just it
kind of hit me as like, no, that's not just
a big dog. That is the biggest dog that ever lived.
And as I turned around to look back at him again,
he was running away and he was fast. It was like,
really really fast, he's moving on.
Speaker 5: Can you throw a mild prower on that?
Speaker 6: Maybe I don't know he was. I was, you know,
I was driving down a dirt road, probably doing twenty
five thirty five mile an hour, and he was angling
away from me at an angle. So it's kind of
kind of tough for me to say, but it was
definitely you could tell he was capable of high levels
of speed.
Speaker 5: Wow, so super interesting, super interesting. Okay, so you were
you were on your way to a different area, So
continue on, brain, what's next in your life?
Speaker 6: Well, there was later on, and I think this was
probably two or three years later, I ran into what
I think was a much smaller I guess you would
call it like a hyena type dog man, but it
was still a pretty pretty large, large dog. And the
only thing that was really super duper unusual about it
was its head and it was just a really goofy
looking bare dog hybrid looking thing, and it had like
this short, abbreviated muzzle.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: It didn't look anything other than the fact that it
was jet black.
Speaker 9: Too.
Speaker 6: It didn't look anything like the other one that i'd seen.
This one was much smaller. It was probably thirty percent
larger than a I don't know, like a big black
lab or something. And but yeah, it was. It wasn't
so unusually large that it shocked me or anything. It
is just I mean, I could see a domestic dog
getting this big, but it was it was the weird
body that he had. He had an elongated kind of body,
and he had that weird face and muzzle, and his
ears weren't plenty. They were kind of rounded, you know,
And I guess that's kind of common with hyena tie
but I think it's I still think it's kind of
unusual to see a black bird hyena tide. But apparently
that's what I saw. And I didn't know what I
was looking at there, but I got to get a
pretty good look at it. That was a daytime encounter too.
Speaker 5: Now, Jeff you just saw a timberwolf, didn't you.
Speaker 8: Like a week ago, I did broad daylight running across
the highway New Virginia, Minnesota, which I've never seen one
in daylight like that, And it was running full tilt
from the woods on one side of the highway to
the woods on the other side of the highway. I mean,
it was moving and it was massive. At first, I
wasn't sure if it was a dog or a coyote.
But when I got close, when we got closer up
to it, it was clear that it was a wolt.
It was big, and I've never seen one in the
daylight before, and man, it was moving. Holy smokes.
Speaker 5: And you don't have excuse me, you don't have timberwolves braying.
Speaker 6: And okay, no, no, we we just recently got some
black bears, so yeah, no, we don't. I have seen
some timber wolves. I used to do some work at
a exotic animal park that that they You know, the
one thing that always kind of got me about real
wolves is they're kind of skinny, yeah, you know, and
neither one of these animals were, you know, they were
they were husky, they were big, muscular, Yeah, impressive animals.
Speaker 5: I mean that's what everybody, all the witnesses say. These
dogmen are really muscular.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, thank goodness, I didn't see either one of
them stand up and walk around on their hind legs,
because you know, I think that when people encounter stuff
like that, it messes with their head pretty good. You know.
I always tell people I got eased into the whole
dog man phenomenon, not as gently as you can possibly
get eased into it. So I'm pretty grateful for that.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, these dogman sightings, I don't know what they are,
but they are fueled literally every week again by many
many sightings. They don't necessarily fit the mold of any
biological creature. Was the area where you saw them? Was
it near any agriculture or streams, or was there you know,
what was the geography?
Speaker 6: Like Brian, both of these, the big one that I saw,
he was in a watching over this dry creek bed
and he was kind of doing what you'll see a
lot of coyotes do. They'll go up on a high
point and they'll sit up there and they'll just kind
of watch and they'll look for, you know, pray animals
and stuff to be moving around. Pretty sure, that's what
he was doing. But that creek that kind of flows
through there, It only really flows whenever there's a big
rain or something. It's kind of what we here in
Oklahoma will call it a war wash. But there is
a pond immediately downstream across the road from there, and
then that pond runs into a bigger creek. So yes,
there was a water source immediately present right there. And
the other one was further up into northwestern Oklahoma, and
it was on a dry creek line and there was
a bunch of trees there. Now, since then, somebody's gone
in there and taken all the trees out and agriculture
did up, you know, But there was a dry creek
bed there, and as a matter of fact, I saw
him as I was pulling up, and there was a
bridge there. So yeah, both of them, one of them
had more water present than the other one, but you know,
you're never The second one that I saw was probably
three or four miles from the Cimarron River. So but yes,
not always are they the dog men reported near water.
I've got like eighty case files of dog man encounters
in Oklahoma, and some of them are just out in
the middle of the open plains with no water sources
around anywhere, So I don't think that dog men are
as bound to water sources like the like the sasquatch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, those sightings generally never happened under five hundred
yards from water from a water source.
Speaker 6: I agree, it's or less.
Speaker 5: Yeah, most of them happened far less than that. And
dogmen sightings, I've always been looking like, what's the pattern?
You know a lot of times near corn fields, which
is fascinating. Well, what the hell does corn have to
do with it? To the eat the corn? Or are
they looking for deer that are eating the corn? What's
the deal? What's their prey? I would assume they eat meat.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Well, and they could be you know, they
could be omnivoroues where they take part of just about everything.
But we really don't know. I don't personally have any
reports of them eating anything other than meat. Yeah, but
I'm not going to say it's not possible. I know,
canines will eat you know, fruits, vegetables, roots, tubers, stuff
like that. Don't They'll eat a variety of different types
of you know, plant on a matter, you know, it
just it depends on where they're at. And what they're doing.
I don't know about the corn thing that you're right,
but I think a lot of times what you're looking
at is is a transitional area between deep woods and
then these crops and agriculture. Yeah, and that seems to
be a hot spot a lot of animals, predatory animals,
they hunt those those areas that are like transition areas.
So I know that's where I used to like to
hunt whenever I was hunting deer.
Speaker 8: So, Brian, it seems like most of the accounts that
I've seen or heard of the dog man is really
menacing or aggressive or not a very friendly encounter. Are
you aware of any stories where that are kind of
friendly or peaceful? Are they all pretty much terrifying?
Speaker 6: Well, I think it just if you're there and you're
on foot, I'm sure it's going to be terrifying. You know.
I don't think that. I think if if you're on
foot and you're away from your vehicle and one of
these things, once you're dead, you're dead.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't think that they're out to get us. I
think that they probably view us like we view a snake,
you know. Yeah, I could probably stomp that snake to death.
But I'm going to pay the price in the long run,
you know, because that's why we don't mess with snakes.
Speaker 14: And uh.
Speaker 6: But long story, yeah, I think they just avoid us.
I don't think they mean us any harm. I think
they appear menacing. And I think that, you know, there's
something about humans and wolves and and how we've had
such a you know, a long term adversarial you know,
situation with these things going back generations and generations there.
You know, we've basically hunted wolves to extinction, you know.
And uh, and so I think there's there's kind of
a you know in you know, there's just something inside
us that goes back multi generations that we're supposed to
fear these creatures. You know. It's just kind of it's
just kind of it's hard to interpret what is truly
aggressive behavior and what is just what is just there
them being them or postiltry to make us leave here.
Speaker 5: Do you think there's any possibility, Brian, that they get
off on scaring us though they they get some kind
of thrill from it, because it just seems like most
witnesses walk away quite shaken up.
Speaker 6: Well, there's the smile phenomenon. They like to they like to.
You get a lot of reports of them presenting themselves
to an eyewitness and they smile, you know, and I
think it's it's creepy.
Speaker 5: That's creepy.
Speaker 6: But if you're talking about something that's intentionally presenting itself
and it derives some type of pleasure from uh frightening
us or whatever, I mean, think about what you're what
you're theorizing there. You're talking about a super high level
of intelligence for it to uh to to get its kicks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you're almost thinking on some kind of like
an energy vampire kind of thing. Once again, all my
theories are just diarrhea theories, you know, I just thrown
it out there.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, but the theories whenever they get reports
that over and over and over again from people, you know,
saying the exact same thing, and they don't you know,
you gotta you got to pay attention to that.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like a lot of people they say that dog men,
you know, it was evil. You'll hear them say it
or is demonic, and I hear that same thing. I
have the surfaces over and over and over again, to
the point where you can't just dismiss that anymore. It's
it's become like a whole you know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's kind of where I was getting at, because
there are definitely sasquatch sightings where they're not particularly threatening
or sometimes even seem friendly. I'm not aware of any
stories about dog Man where there's any kind of friendly.
Speaker 5: Encounter.
Speaker 8: It's always seems, yeah, like there's something menacing or evil
about them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you hear about those friendly encounter stories and stuff
on you know, certain podcasts and stuff like that. But
you know, I personally, you know, and I've talked to
a lot of eyewitnesses, but I've never had anybody reach
out to me and say, you know, I had this
positive interaction with this creature, and you know, I just
I question sometimes whether that's something that that individual has
made up and brought to the table. Sure for attention
and stuff like that, but then again, I am I'm
not the god of discernment, so I try not to
pass judgment on people, you know that I don't know, right.
Speaker 5: So a lot of questions people are asking about whether
you've taken reports of like bigfoots and dogmen together. Do
you think there's some correlation between the two. Do you
think there's separate entities. At one point, I used to
think that dog men were misidentified bigfoots. At one point.
I don't think that anymore, but at one point I did.
Speaker 6: I do believe that a lot of reports get confused,
especially nighttime reports. It would be really easy to confuse
the two. So a certain percentage of those numbers are
probably you know, and I'm sure that the confusion goes
both ways. Yeah, it's yes, that probably happens. So, yeah, yeah,
they're as far as I'm being together and the same,
I only I only have one report of a dog
man and a bigfoot being together in the same proximity.
But we do, we do get a lot of reports
of dog men being in the same areas as bigfoot.
It's like they do encounter this, they do inhabit the
same areas, you know. But as far as like the
whole bigfoot versus dog man WWF stuff, I don't have
a whole lot of I don't go there. But yeah,
that's not something I usually I don't.
Speaker 5: Even think about that stuff. But I do know that
there seems to be more stories where eyewitnesses they claim
these things like ran alongside their car trying to scare them.
Things of that nature.
Speaker 6: The dogmen, I think, probably do that more than the
bigfoot pound, you know, And that's another situation where they're
presenting themselves and you know, and with unknown intentions. You know,
So what what are they really thinking? What are they doing?
What's the purpose? I'm not really sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Michael, shoot, when you hear about this stuff,
what's going through your head? I know you're open.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've really been focused on Bigfoot, So I don't
really follow the number of sightings or the types of
sightings or things like that. But one question I have
for Brian is when you divided Oklahoma into the four
I don't know regions or areas, Like, what are we
seeing in these areas? And what if you if you
do a plot of like the Bigfoot sightings, what's that
look like compared to a plot of the dog man
sightings and et cetera. They all in the same place
all the time. Is it all over the place as
it even or do they focus.
Speaker 6: In certain areas? Oklahoma does have clusters. It seems like
southwest or southeastern Oklahoma is kind of like the wild
wild West of reports. And if you go to the
northeast and the southwest, there's there's more distinct hot spots
that you can get into. And if you go to
northwest Oklahoma, there's a lot less reports, but there are
a lot more localized, to the point where it almost
makes it a little bit easier to do research because
you pretty much know where they're going to be. That's
the desert, right well, that's that's the more plains and
open platlands, plains. It's okay, yeah, and but yeah, there's
there's rivers and they run up and down the rivers,
and there's lakes in northwestern Oklahoma where we get a
lot of reports and we've even found a lot of
prints and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So Hillary had just mentioned that believes that a lot
of dog man reports are probably just blown off as
seeing big giant.
Speaker 6: Dogs, especially at distance you know, you know, at two
three hundred yards, it'd be really hard to determine, you know,
the physical size of these creatures. And even then, you know,
you still got juvenile dog men that are going to
be running around. And so the way I look at it,
I think that people are probably ten times more likely
to overlook a dog man sighting than they are you know,
like a sasquatch siding. I mean with the sasquatch sighting,
it's like, well, there's a hairy man over there, you
know that kind of sticks out. But at a distance,
you know, it'd be really hard to tell, you know,
a quadrupedal dog man encounter from you know, just a
regular domestic dog at a distance, it'd be really tough.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, what about a pedal dog man.
Speaker 6: Well that's the ones that we get a lot more of,
you know, we get a lot of the reports that
we get, you know, especially at distance, of them bipedal.
The ones that we get close up, we get more
quadrupedal ones, you know. But yeah, it's more unusual when
you see one standing up and walking bipedally, and people
do take note of that. But I think that a
lot more people see them running around quadrupedally and dismiss
it as just a domestic.
Speaker 10: But okay, so maybe I'm confused here. But the picture
that was shown earlier I think was the cover of
your book. That's a body of a man, right, yeah. Yeah,
So if you saw that and it was quadrant, if
it was on all fours, you'd still think that was
kind of a funny looking sight. You wouldn't confuse that
with a dog unless you just were focusing on me.
Speaker 6: It would depend on your distance again, because at the distance,
you're going to be focused on its head and you're
going to see that it has a tail, and if
it's on all fours.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: But but yes, I think that you know, people that
are seeing these things that less than one hundred and
fifty yards, yeah, they're going to know exactly what they're
looking at. There's not going to be especially in the daytime,
there's not going to be any misidentifications. You know, they're
going to see one of the defining things that And
I always when I'm interviewing people, I never I'm always
very careful not to lead my witnesses because a lot
of times they'll try to do the whole people pleasing
thing and they'll give you the information that they think
you want to hear. And one of the things that
I'm always looking for is if they describe the ears
sticking up, you know, and that's like a it's like
a ringing a bell. It's like, no, this isn't a
sasquatch report we're talking about here, you know, or you know,
if they look sideways and they see the muzzle and stuff,
you know, and but yeah, it just I I think
that there's a small percentage chance that you're going to
misidentify it with a sasquatch or something else. But it
can happen. But is it a furless creature or is
it some of them some of them are very they
have very fine, thin furs. Some of them report is
extremely shaggy. I think it goes back to it's just
like normal dogs, you know, normal dog breeds. They come
in a lot of different varieties, and there's there's a
whole bunch of you know, different variations in color. And
some of them have like really fine in fur and
some of them are have that kinky, kinky fur.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I've actually got some trailcam pictures of some curly hair
what we think is a dog man. So, I mean,
it's just so I mean, you think about the diversity
in bigfoot, you know, and they've they've got all these
different types. There's some that look more like primates. There's
some of them that are big and huge, and most
of it up and you get down into Oklahoma and
they're more tall and lanky and kind of skinny looking
and basketball player physique. Some of them have like really
short hair, you know, a lot of the females get
reported with short hair. Some of them have really long hair,
you know, and hair growing on their shoulders, you know.
And humans are the same way. You know that there's
a whole bunch of different you know, genetic differences between
the different races of people and hair color and stuff,
and you know, like you look at the you know,
a hair sample from you know, an Asian man compared
to an Irish person compared to a you know, a
black guy or gal. That the hairs are like completely
different and they really stand out. So it would be
you know, stupid to assume that there's just gonna be
one specific tipe of these creatures.
Speaker 5: Yeah, You're gonna have individuals, some who probably groom a lot,
some who don't, diets different, oh my god, then different
states of care, Like one may have just swam them
across the river and clean and the other the other
one in diken a bath in a month. Yeah. Oh yeah,
then you get spider mates thrown in there. Yeah.
Speaker 10: Well, I was just asking about the diversity of the
reports that you've taken, you know, because they must be
across the board you know, from hairless to very very
furry and different colors, you know, just all the dimensions
that you mentioned.
Speaker 6: Well, it does, it varies. We've got a lot of
of I would say sixty of the reports that I
get they're black furred. Then I would say the next
bleeting contender is brown or mixture of black and brown.
Sometimes you get reports of them having silver or grayish
fur mixed in with either or I do not have any.
I've only received one report of what you would call
like a red furred dog man type creature, and I've
only got like one report of a white one. But
so you know, you get into the reds and the whites,
those are a lot more unusual, and sometimes I wonder
if that's not a misidentification, you know, But you know,
you kind of got to go with the numbers whenever
you're looking at reports like that. You know, if you've
got a whole bunch of reports saying one thing that
lends a lot more credibility to you know, a specific
character trait where you've just got like, you know, one
or two reports of that particular thing, so you kind
of got to go with the odds we have.
Speaker 5: Are you aware of any evidence of dog Man, because
with big Foot, we have so much. I'm sitting I'm
looking at a tub of evidence that I constantly get
new things, and hopefully we keep keep looking for new
labs to test all this stuff. It's all going to
get used. But with dog Man it seems to be
much rare.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, and I think it kind of goes
back to the to the whole thing of well you
got you kind of got to look at the nature
of the physic evidence is left behind by these creatures.
If you find a big foot foot print, even if
it's it's not a giant one, say it's a you know,
say it's a ten inch bigfootprint, it's immediately going to
get your attention, because Paul, it's like, the hell is
somebody doing out here barefooted? Right? That's going to get
your attention. And it has to do with the context
and stuff like that. You're not going to think anything
of that on a beach, you know, But a canine
print in its barefoot form is going to be so
much more common that it's going to be overlooked quite considerably,
a lot more. It would have to be of a
massive proportion before an average Joe, somebody that's not a
researcher is actually going to look at that and go, damn,
that's a really big canine print. It literally have to
be like seven or eight inches before average Joe is
to be alarmed at the size of that.
Speaker 5: Well, I found some six and a half inch wolf
I have to just say wolf, unverified wolf tracks, and
took photos of them.
Speaker 17: But they were.
Speaker 5: Massive, and they were very clean and clear, you know,
and they were clear. It was in a new area.
They had just grated the forest, getting ready to build
some kind of house. But it was on the edge
of the forest and I was exploring and came upon
those prints photographed him because they seemed really out of
place to me. They were just so big.
Speaker 6: In a quadrupedal or bipedle.
Speaker 5: It was definitely a quadruped But the size is what
got me, like what in the depth? Because I was
comparing it to my own footprints. They were really fresh,
and I was comparing it to even the tire tracks
I was leaving with my mountain by that I was riding,
which was a fat tired bike and it was just
barely even sinking compared to these these uh these tracks.
But my point is is most people aren't gonna go
dog man. They're just gonna go, well, it's a big
wolf or a big cane.
Speaker 6: They're gonna blow it off.
Speaker 5: They're gonna blow it off, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6: And so I think a lot of that that particular
type of evidence, you know, is going to get just
It's never gonna see the light of day unless somebody
like me is looking is looking at it.
Speaker 5: And if hair is uh canine, it's also going to
get just categorizes it's canine. What's unique about bigfoot here
is the fact it's longs be uncut, tapered, and human scaling,
so it jumps out more than I would think a
dog man hare would just be a canine.
Speaker 6: Here, I actually am impha osession of some that I
believe it is a do could be a dog man.
Of course, I have no way of comparing it because
there's there's no other samples out there. But basically what
I'm looking at as I've got some two tone, you know,
light brown black on the end hair samples that for
all intensive purposes look like a coyote fur or wolf
fur that's two tone, except that it's like some of
them are seven inches long. And for the most part,
wolf fur doesn't get over five inches long, and this
stuff in certain places it's up to about two hundred
two and ten microns in diameter, and you know, your
average canine, you know, furs considerable less than that. So
it it looks the sample that I have in my
possession is is actually a lot like wolf except it's
thicker and it's a little bit longer. Now there have
been I've never seen them in person or seen photos
of it, but I've talked to several other people who
claimed to have dog man hair samples in their position,
and you know, without leading them, I asked them to,
you know, macroscopically, you know, you know, tell me what
it looks like. And they basically gave me the same
description that two tone color. But as far as doing
like any photographic work or anything like that, or measuring
the diameter of it or anything that they didn't have
that ability.
Speaker 5: I could just see a real problem if I had
to distinguish dog man here from just dog or wolf fur. Well,
I know it is tough, but you know, it's just
old stoken haircuts where when you find a huge and
scaled here right away you can look, oh, has it
ever been cut? Yes, well that eliminates that just let alone.
But the fact it has no mandola or very little mondula.
And then it's scaled like human scaling. It jumps out,
you know, and I those are like, yup, they go
in the good They go in the good envelope. But
I could see I don't know how I could ever
even select a dog man here.
Speaker 6: With this sample. Was was actually kind of a cool story.
There is and I'm not supposed to release the location
where this came from, but there is a abandoned manufacturing
side and this guy, a friend of his, was doing
security patrols around the perimeter of this area and they
found a tree that had a bunch of this hair.
It had fallen over in a storm and there was
a bunch of this hair and lodged in the tree.
And basically the guy brought this friend of mine this
hair sample and he's like, well, what is this. Well,
this guy that gave me this hair sample, he was
a taxidermist for thirty years and he took one look
at it and he goes, I have no idea what
that is, and it's it's very coarse feeling, you know.
And when he called me on the phone and told
me that. I was like, you know, my ears perked up.
I was like, Okay, thirty year season taxidermist does not
know what this is. This is interesting.
Speaker 5: So if you could send me even a photo of it,
I would love to just see a photo on a
white sheet of paper.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I can, I take it.
Speaker 5: It's been contaminated. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: It was contaminated before I got it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't matter because they're going to wash it
any off it ever gets DNA tested.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's it's we don't know exactly what to
make of it. To be honest with you, I did
do it like a YouTube video where I threw that
out there and it's, uh, it's in our new dog
Man documentary that we just released.
Speaker 5: Can you tell everybody the name Brian.
Speaker 6: It's it's called uh, it's called the the Beast that Watches.
And we basically kind of ran a few dog Man
calls and we went out to a couple of places
that we we didn't end up getting footage of a
dog man or anything, but we did cast a pretty
big sized footprint, and you know, then we talked about
that hair sample and I actually show you know, microscopic
and microscopic photos of the of the hair and I
discussed the you know, morphology of the hair sample as well,
and uh, you know, I partially kind of did that
as as I was kind of like throwing out they
you know, if somebody out there would would disagree with
me and challenge me on my bold statements about it
being dog man here, I welcome that. I would like
for somebody to come out of the woodwork and prove
me wrong and challenge me on this stuff. But nobody's
doing it. And uh and so in a way, I
think that's kind of sad, because you know, I would
like to I would like for somebody to prove me
wrong and educate me in the process. You know that
you're going to have to have someone How would they
prove you wrong though? Ye, that's that's the whole thing.
If they could. I would be very interested in that information.
So yeah, but but no nobody, Uh, nobody has come
forward yet. But like I said, I'm I'm open to,
uh to a good wholesome argument.
Speaker 5: Well, it needs a proper morphology logging and comparing it
to wolf for and then it needs to go in
for DNA yeah, that's what has to happen.
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm. Well, and for what it's worth, I did
take a small portion of it and I sent it
to uh, to Melba, But I don't think I'm going
to get anything back from her as far as the
results are. How ago was out huh that was probably
six months ago, So I don't know. She says she's interested.
Speaker 5: In the DNA on it, Yeah, she's.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't. I don't know what's really going on there.
I don't. I'm just it was more of a it
was more of a fishing expedition. So I opened up
a line of communication with her and was trying to
get some information out of her, and and so as
a courtesy, I sent her a a small portion of
what I had. And yeah, but do you have how
many do you have?
Speaker 5: Do you have just one?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 5: I have a bunch.
Speaker 6: Okay, So did you send her the route?
Speaker 11: End?
Speaker 6: I sent her a a small section that still had
some flesh attached. M M good. So she should have
many times over what she needs to do whatever she
needs to do with it. So I still have some
And the guy that was originally in possession of it,
he has a lot more of it.
Speaker 10: Okay, Well, I don't know who she is and what
her capabilities are, but if she's.
Speaker 9: She was the.
Speaker 6: Primary scientist involved with the ericson project back in the day,
that sasquatch genome study, Yeah, which had a bunch of issues,
but I still think that, you know, she was she
was working with real samples back in the day, and
and uh yeah, oh well thanks Judy. I just I'm wanting.
I didn't expect a fast response or anything, but yeah,
it's just one of those things when you when you
send somebody something like that. It's just like Darby Orcat.
He's telling everybody, you know, oh it's it's going to
be years, you know. And and then I love it
when people try to pin him down on it and
he he, he dodges that. Like everybody's like, when's when's
the results going to be and when's the result?
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 21: I don't know either, But my understanding is he's not
a scientist. No, I don't know what he's doing. He's
an administrator. He's an administrator and he has multiple different
departments under his under his belt that he's a troll
up and you know, everybody wants to know, uh, actually
portions of it.
Speaker 6: Did have a medulla, so that was kind of unusual
in itself, but it depends on which hair he was
looking at, and uh, what area of the hair. So yeah,
I've got pictures of it in our you know, in
our documentary that we just released.
Speaker 5: But what about what about footprint casts? Anything compelling? Obviously
I could have cast the one I found, but I
wouldn't have cast thinking it was a dog man, just like,
oh my god, this huge wle But go ahead.
Speaker 6: Well, so I've only cast one myself, and I donated
that cast to the the Bigfoot Enigma Museum in Clayton, Oklahoma. Okay,
it's down there, there's pictures of it.
Speaker 5: Was there anything different about it?
Speaker 6: Brian, Well, that's the funny thing is there's there's really
In my opinion, and this take this for what it's worth.
There's a lot of dog man prints going around on
the internet, and a lot of them are not legitimate.
But most of them, I would say, probably just look
like a regular domestic type dog print that's just large
and but sometimes they have an appendage at the base
of the foot print, and I think that depends on
you know, whether or not it's whether it's walking bipedally
or quadrupedally. I think when they're walking quadrupedally, I don't
think they leave that mark from that appendage at the
back of the rear path. But that's just pure speculation
because you know they don't. They don't still very long
for you to actually, you know, do this type of work.
So there's a lot of speculation involved there. There's a
lot of other ones out there too, but you know,
it's again you've got to go with the lion's share.
What are we get in the most of and that's
the regular canine looking print.
Speaker 10: So they're not they're all canine looking prints. They're not
humannoid looking prints at all.
Speaker 6: You will get humanoid looking prints with claws on the
end and sometimes, but there's just there's just not enough
of them to say that that's that's a viable series
of you know, you just don't see a whole lot
of them. Okay, So there they are out there though,
And I've got some photos. While we we showed a
we showed a picture a picture of a cast that
was taken southeastern Oklahoma, and one of those humanoid type
of prints with claws on the end of it. I'm
not particularly convinced that that is deaf only a dog man.
The one thing that I do think that is interesting
is in the middle of that print is a three
toed canine print, and you kind of got to look
at it closely, so you know, it's just there's there's
a lot of variety. There's a lot of variety in
bigfoot prints as well. You know, you've got your you know,
your humanoid looking ones, You've got your skunk ape looking ones,
You've got the the ones that have like, oh, I
don't know that that's kind of a triangular shaped foot.
I think those are some of the weirdest ones. But
every once in a while we get some of those
here in Oklahoma. Still not sure what kind of box
to put that in, but I think it's you know,
I think cane. I think these canine creatures that they're
going to be the same way. They're going to be unusual,
and they're going to have differences in between the different
genetic groups across the country. So there's there's a lot
of people running around, you know, these conferences and stuff,
and they've got some pretty weird looking prints that they're
displaying claiming to be dog man, and uh, you know,
I always try to take pictures of them just for
research purposes, but for the most part, I think most
of them are going to look like something you'd recognize
as a domestic canine large.
Speaker 5: What do you what do you think the her brain?
What's your best guess? Do you think they're just a
regular biological creature living in the woods, flesh and blood,
or do you think there's some preormal aspect if you
maybe you don't know. I don't know, obviously don't know.
Speaker 6: But you have any nobody knows. But the two that
I saw with my own eyes, they look very real,
very tangible. They look like if I put a round
throw them, they bleed. But you know, when you do
doing this as long as I have, you know, the
stories trickle in, and sometimes these stories they come from
pretty reasonable eyewitnesses, and so after a while you start
to realize, you know that, hey, you know, there's got
to be something to that, you know, And and again
it goes back to the number of reports that are
coming in. You know, you kind of got to put
them all together and look at the data as a whole.
What is the data saying? And I think you've got
a similar situation, just like the Bigfoot. You know, you've
got people that are reporting, you know, very flesh and
blood looking situations, and then you've got you know what
we used to call the flute players of the WU people,
and they're you know, they're saying that it just vanished
right in front of it, right in front of me,
you know. And then they're displaying very highly unusual paranormal
you know stuff tendencies, and you know, nobody has a
ruler that's going to measure that aspect of it. But
I can tell you that, you know, we personally read
er cryptis, we've experienced some stuff that you kind of
got to put in the paranormal you know category. And
you know, as a as a as a former flesh
and blood guy, the type of guy I like to
measure things, and I don't know, I want to be
able to document things. I don't like that kind of
you know, situations where this kind of stuff comes to fruition.
I don't like that because I like to have my
boxes nice and neat, and I like to be able
to put all my stuff in a box. But occasionally
you run into stuff. It's just it is, it is
don't fit and right, and so we've we started doing more.
We started taking like paranormal measuring equipment into the field
and we're trying to document. You know, we're just kind
of getting started using trifield meters, we're using lightning detectors,
we're measuring you know, magin did.
Speaker 5: You see did you say you're using Giger counters?
Speaker 6: Yes, Eric has a Geiger counter that he brings with us.
Speaker 5: What's it gonna hurt. It's not going to hurt a thing.
But the only thing I would recommend if you bring
like our f meters, to bring two because otherwise you're
never going to know whether it's something malfunction or not.
Speaker 6: That's right. We've probably in our group, we've probably got
four uh, I think we've got four trifield meters, oh okay,
and we've only got one Geiger meter, but we've never.
Speaker 5: Had it really go off.
Speaker 6: We've even we've got lightning detectors, which, honestly, those are
more interesting than you would think, especially because Eric has.
Speaker 5: One and I have one.
Speaker 6: I've never heard being used, well I had either. I
saw it on another show.
Speaker 5: Would you would you mind at some other other time
just coming on and and doing a tech breakdown on
that for people six little piece, because that's a great idea.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, nobody knows for sure, but you know,
you gotta you gotta look at your ghost hunters. You
got to see what they're doing. That's why I brought
Coleman actually onto the team, because he had a background
in paranormal research. And I've got another guy named Scotty Rottenmaker.
He's a he's a ghost hunter too. And you know,
I bring these guys on and they're saying, yeah, we
need to do this, we need to do this. And
you know, of course, you know, I teach you know, electricity,
electronics and stuff. So a lot of this stuff I
had laying around my shop. You know, it's like a
Trifield meter. That's not the tool that is designed for
ghost hunters. It's it's a it's a tool that's designed
to be used on electronic equipment, right, and uh, but yeah,
that's what you're looking for. You're looking for RF you know,
spikes and anomalies. You're looking for magnetic anomalies and you know,
and so uh, you know, an EMF, you know, blust a.
Speaker 5: UV flashlight probably should be packed a couple of good
strong v flashlights.
Speaker 6: I personally I don't have one of those.
Speaker 5: You should get them. They're cheap, they're just people use.
They sell on Amazon for like six bucks. You can
get them for and they work. Really they're amazing for
looking for evidence because like a dog man hair would glow.
Speaker 6: Well, I'll have to check that out because I can
test that real quick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have your glow and you're going to be like, oh, yeah,
we packed that with you and it it can also
help you see urine and all sorts of that would
be invisible to you at night.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's probably true, and that's we're We're slowly trying
to up our game and diversify the problem is, is
you end up carrying a whole bunch of crap into
the woods with Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Do you guys do? What are you out looking for
when your group goes out? Is it dog Man or
is it bigfoots? Or is it both?
Speaker 9: Is it?
Speaker 6: Well, it's it's honestly, it's both. But we do have
areas that lean more towards Bigfoot and we have areas
that lean more towards dog Man. But dog Man is
a lot harder to pin down. I can take you too,
I would say, we've got three top secrets locations that
I could I could go out and we know that
they're in that immediate area. We may not have an encounter,
we may not find any evidence, but you know, it's
like you get the you get the audio back and
sure up they were there. But dog men are a
lot more difficult to pin down. I think they're more
nomadic and I think that they they move around a
lot more and they're harder to pin down than sasquatch.
Sasquatch tend to like, at least in Oklahoma, they're here
year round. There's no migrating. I think they've got a
home base and then they'll work an area over here
for a couple of weeks, then they'll move over. They'll
work another area over here, and it's it's more like
they move around from different seasons, you know. But if
they're in an area, their home base I think stays
the same all year round. They're fairly easy to locate,
whereas dog men not so easy. Well, Brian, you mentioned audio.
What what do you actually hear in the audio when
you review it? What are you listening for? Well, for
dog man, of course, it's it's difficult. It's really hard
to differentiate, you know, the some of this dog man
audio from everything else. Anybody's ever done audio knows that
there's no one hundred percent sure this is what this is.
Bigfoot audio is is difficult because their vocalizations are very,
very diverse. I used to hunt coyotes back in the day,
and I remember they had over two hundred different types
of coyote vocalizations that you could order off of a
Fox Pro where they have like electronic Fox Pro callers
for coyotes, two hundred different types. So I would expect,
you know, these these dog men to be very similar.
We pick things up that are canine like, that are
deeper in tone, that are you know, they show up
different on the spectrograph. They're they're a little bit more
what's the word, I'm looking for a little bit lower
on the frequency range than coyotes, and they don't do
all the ups and downs and stuff that you get.
But yeah, it's it's you can kind of tell, but
there's no for sure. I mean, it's it's not a
it's not a for sure deal where we know one
hundred percent that this is a dog man vocalization.
Speaker 5: Brian do you guys do spectro Graham or spectrographs on
your on your audio finds.
Speaker 6: Yes, I use Audacity.
Speaker 5: So you're doing that yourself, which is cool.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well, nobody's going to do it for me.
Speaker 5: Well, I think David Ellis would probably be really interested
in just you know, working with you a bit, yeah,
to take a look and maybe maybe he has such
a huge library that he and such a great memory
that he can listen to something go hey, I've got
something almost exact, you know, then he'll send it to you.
Speaker 6: I follow those guys, you know, I follow them on Facebook,
and I callow Chris Spencer and and I'm a They
are probably one of the number one people that when
they release something new, which I don't think David Ellis,
I think he's kind of retired, but they when they
put something out, I get notified and I'm all over
it because you know, anytime I get an opportunity to learn,
that's what I want to do. Well.
Speaker 5: The problem is, and what we've we've been talking about
how to address the problem is he's got almost ten
thousand recordings. So we're talking about getting a depository website
up and say these are the metallic sounds that have
been recorded all over the country. These are the the
mallpop stuff. These are you know what I mean. To
have a place where people, all people can go and
compare their recordings. I would love to introduce you to David.
You guys definitely need to know each other. If you
don't personally know him, but he's still I just want
to learn more. You know, Well, let's do that. Let's
get you together with David, and you guys can certainly
be a benefit to each other, no doubt, no doubt
about it. Michael I was with me. We're not gonna
say where or anything, Michael, but Michael was with me
one day when I was monitoring a audio and camera
project we have going, and we were hearing some pretty
interesting stuff and Michael was really blown away when he
was hearing live like it was live rock throws, whate
other there sounds where we're hearing it was like almost
like talking.
Speaker 10: Going on, vocal vocalization, not like screaming, but you know, talking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like talking stuff. Yeah, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we caught some I think whispering. Yeah. I don't
know what the deal is with these things, but they
down here in Oklahoma. There, it's like they're attracted to
my audio recorders. And I figured out that if you
take your audio recorder and you put it out about
sixty seventy eighty yards from camp, and if you pick
a good spot to put it where, they can also
in turn watch your camp, you know, fairly easily they'll
take advantage of that and they'll hang out by your
audio recorder.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've kind of am aware of how easy it
can be to get audio.
Speaker 6: It's kind of number one. What is an audio recorder?
It's just a microphone or.
Speaker 5: A zoomage one Audieah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got one directions I use tag. I've got
some wildlife acoustics. Yeah, it just depends on where I'm
leaving it.
Speaker 5: And have you I got a question before I forget,
like you're forgetting to ask you? Have you ever heard
or recorded any type of uh deep humming, almost like
hummingbird wings or some kind of hum sound.
Speaker 6: Brian, Yeah, yeah, but that's probably the only thing.
Speaker 9: I think.
Speaker 6: I think it's a mister Yarrington. I heard I said
something on a podcast one time in the comments. He
reached out to me and I sent him an audio
file I call it the anomaly, but I think I
think that Jeff sent it to David Ellis and they
were they were interested in that audio for for a while.
I don't know whatever came of it, but it was
a pretty unusual a piece of audio that was taken
from the wash to Tow No, yeah, the Washtaw Mountains
in southeastern Oklahoma in the middle of February. It is
not an insect bug.
Speaker 5: I can tell you that. It is kind of a
buzz or a hum, kind of a my gosh.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you're if you've got good headphones on,
it'll rattle the ear wax, right, Okay, it's freaky sound.
Speaker 5: So yeah, maybe I think you were talking about Tristan Yolton.
So that guy is the king of weird audio.
Speaker 8: Yeah he is.
Speaker 6: And that's that's pretty that's very interesting.
Speaker 5: But we've collected I believe upwards of eighty five now
from your searchers like yourself. You don't have that handy,
do you? Any strange.
Speaker 6: It's on my my YouTube is well, i'll have to
I'll have to send you. I don't think it's public's
I need. Yeah, I can send you the link. It's unlisted,
so I can send you the link and you can
listen to it.
Speaker 5: Good, good, good, could you do that?
Speaker 6: Yes, I've actually been well, let me see if I
can do that here you're talking, you're talking about.
Speaker 5: You can pop off if you need to, Brian to
go do that. That's so hopefully I don't lose you here. No, well,
if you do, just come back and just click the
link again and come back.
Speaker 6: See if I can find it. It's uh, let me
put on please?
Speaker 15: Oh no, it.
Speaker 6: So a lot of people ask me why don't I
put I'll send stuff to anybody, but here you want
a dog Man audio clip?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, pretty much.
Speaker 6: Okay, there's a there's a story with see here.
Speaker 5: What am I?
Speaker 6: God? I got it list to unless I should be
able to share it. And if you get share a
link bam copied to clipboard and let me go into email.
Speaker 5: And we haven't forgot about Skippy Johnson either. You see
he's left the background. I told about nine thirty. We
pop him on.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna reply here is a I hope this where
is the.
Speaker 5: Goodness?
Speaker 6: I don't know what I'm doing here. I'm not you'd
think i'd know I'd be better at this.
Speaker 5: I just heard something.
Speaker 6: I wonder if I could play it?
Speaker 5: Sure? You can just play it all heart's see you
have outside speakers, can use the present present.
Speaker 6: Option.
Speaker 5: That's a Jeff question.
Speaker 8: Jeff, I don't know if he can. But if you
email it to me, I can, sure, Pop, I can
put it up on the screen.
Speaker 5: That's uh.
Speaker 6: Link in the chat?
Speaker 5: Could you hear that? No?
Speaker 6: Nope, Okay, All on here, I'm going to get this
to you one way or the other. Uh if you
put the link in the chat? Well, why don't I
just why don't I just change it?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess I could do that, couldn't I? The
problem is is I'm trying to I'm having a hard
time getting a shareable link here. It's my own dang channel.
Let's see here.
Speaker 5: You can just go up to the ads parn just
it select all in command V. I should copy it.
Speaker 10: Command see command v Oh yeah, command.
Speaker 5: See sorry, and then command be sorry you're right, wow.
Speaker 6: Control. I don't know. I'm sorry, guys, I'm just I'm
struggling here. I can change it to public.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just change it to public real quick, and then
copy it.
Speaker 6: It's public now. And now let me see if I can.
Speaker 8: I'm still on your YouTube channel. You made it public.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just went live, which there's no big.
Speaker 8: There we go.
Speaker 5: I got it.
Speaker 8: COMMU just a tear and I will be able to
play it.
Speaker 6: Well, let me find the anomaly and m hm yuys Now,
I will warn you the anomaly isn't as impressive unless
you're wearing headphones. Yeah, I can play this.
Speaker 5: We have not forgotten about you.
Speaker 6: Sorry, Skipping that had recorded something weird that we had
been prowling around outside of her home. The suspect vocal
is only about three and a half seconds long, but
you can also hear her talking and the family dog
barking in the background.
Speaker 5: So here you go.
Speaker 6: This lady was scared and she was reaching out to
people for some answers. Unfortunately, I think she got an
answer that she didn't want. Anyway, I don't know what
happened in this situation. The eyewitness there ended up going
dark on us and we didn't hear back.
Speaker 5: Okay, was that the dog man? Or was that the
home that was the dog man?
Speaker 6: That was the dog man? It's kind of a weird squall.
The anomaly I just made public too. You should be
able to do the same thing. With that, I'm not
sure where it'll show.
Speaker 5: Up on them.
Speaker 8: Here we go, yep, I got it here.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 6: This was a couple of years ago. Every once in
a while we get weird stuff like this. Oh yeah,
that's my b loogo, I'm not can the audio. Okay,
this is what I call the anomaly.
Speaker 11: Mm hmm do again.
Speaker 5: That's it?
Speaker 6: Yep, that's all I get.
Speaker 5: That's it, Brian, Well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that definitely sounds familiar. We've heard that song before.
Speaker 6: You guys can hear that.
Speaker 5: I can, Hell, yeah, we can hear. Okay, I have
I have a you know, and uh headset in and
oh yeah, vibrated my whole head. Yeah yeah, so no,
that's exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I don't know what that is, but that was February.
Speaker 5: That was not a bug.
Speaker 6: That was not an insect.
Speaker 5: If it was a bug, it was about one thousand
pound bugs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was that was in the middle of
the Washington National Forest and there was no vehicles or
nothing that location. I would say, we're about eleven miles
from the nearest black top road.
Speaker 5: So well, we're going to do another show on the
hum only because we have so many recordings now and
Carl's up donated the last one that was just off
the charts. It was so amazing, and it was from
the sales ranch from years and years ago, recorded on
VA chest tape mm hmm, which I thought was kind
of interesting.
Speaker 8: So anyhow, okay, I can I haven't hand if you
want to hear it again?
Speaker 5: Yeah, have you got that one? Yeah? Listen to this, Brian,
that again? Holy Camoly, that's a capture. What is this again?
Doug M? And wow, Carl? What year was this? So
those two thousand? I think that tape was from two
thousand and four or two thousand. This is years and
years before any all right, that's good. I was pretty
excited because it was so was recorded so loud, because
it kind of borders on that below twenty hurts, you know,
and above twenty herts. But that's what we're talking about.
It's like like a per buzz hum m hmmm. So
we call it the Bigfoot buzz houm per.
Speaker 6: You know, if you look at mine, and I'm not,
all I know is mine. I spent a lot of
time looking at it, like it comes down. It's kind
of pyramid shaped, which kind of tells me and mine.
I think it just goes down to zero. But it
kind of tells me that, you know, the the big
part of that sound is below that that frequency capability,
like we're only here in like the part that we
can hear. It's like we're only hearing a spa exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: Oh, whatever it is, it's outside of our recording capability
as well.
Speaker 5: So so David is in the audience, David goes, I
can increase the volume on Brian's anominally recording. So I
Brian is thinking he sent it to you, David at
some point. So I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think Herrington send it to him or something.
Speaker 5: But oh, Jeff Herrington might have Okay, that's a good clue.
But if he.
Speaker 6: You know, if I had his email, I'd be more
happy to send him a I can send him an
original file. I'll have to dig for it, yeah, years ago,
but I keep all that stuff on.
Speaker 5: Well, email that link to David. Jeff's got David's email.
Can you email that buzz link to David right now?
That would be awesome.
Speaker 8: I'm sending him the link to the YouTube page here. Yeah,
David right now, if he wants, I can give that
to him. Is this the David Ellis with the ten
thousand samples? That's the same one.
Speaker 5: Now. Matt Langford says he's been playing the snow Grove
in Carl SUPs recordings here in Central Texas. Pretty cool
reactions to them. So if you want to maybe just
one more little thing in chat and let us know
what those reactions have been, Matt, that would be cool. Yeah,
because I've been encouraged people, why not play the hums?
We we got what you got to lose other than
your life. We always that was a joke.
Speaker 10: Nobody has ever died from playing That's a joke.
Speaker 5: You're going to die anywhere. Unverified crap. That was definitely
unverified crop. But we you know, once again a lot
of people have been playing Bigfoot calls for years and
no one has ever tried the hums, So why not?
Why not? We never know what will unlock some of these,
uh mysteries.
Speaker 6: I try to blast in some tuning for frequency tune.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Chris, Chris Reinhardt told you know, he brought
that to my attentions.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm talking about, Dad, Oh okay, I kind
of got him confused with Garrington there's too many people
out there. But yeah, it's been a couple of years,
maybe a year ago.
Speaker 5: Did you have any luck at all?
Speaker 21: Now?
Speaker 6: I didn't. I did it like, I made a recording
of it, and I did it like three three times
and nothing really happens.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so many times we don't give these new
methods enough time, you know. And it's easy to understand
because it's kind of like, yeah, you know, it didn't exactly,
you don't do anything, so I do it again. But
yet it could have been the fourth time that all
hell broke lows.
Speaker 6: You're probably right. I mean those Tibetan singing bowls. People
report good stuff with that, Yeah, which is I'd have
to go. Look, it's out in the garage, put up
on a shelf, but it's it's a really it was
the low frequency tuning fork that I can get, Yeah,
and I mean it was big and it had like
big weights on it.
Speaker 5: I think they're like forty hurts in that area.
Speaker 6: That sounds about right.
Speaker 8: I think Chris Ryan, you have the best luck with
forty Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I bought it based on his recommendation. So okay, okay,
while we're waiting here, Brian you're in the cell tower
business now. I used to do repairs on cell phone
towers and stuff back in the day.
Speaker 5: So all right, Brian, don't don't, don't leave. We're gonna
bring them Skippy on to tell us a couple of
ghost stories. But you can hang out please, Yeah I will. Okay, good,
So let's bring Skippy Johnson on. I don't know anything
about Skippy Johnson except he's in our back room. He's
from You're from Minnesota, correct, yep? And oh and I
can only guess. I'm not going to say where, but
I can probably guess the town you live in based
on the kind of work you do Minnesota. Yeah. So,
but he wrote me a letter and just told me
a couple of really like whoa stories, and I thought, oh,
have you on, you can? You can tell them. We'll
get Brian's voice, Brian's golden voice, arrest.
Speaker 9: We've got the face for radio and the voice for print.
Speaker 5: So anyhow, so are you currently a president? Do you
work in the president currently? Yeah?
Speaker 8: I do.
Speaker 9: When you're your veteran go back again tomorrow?
Speaker 5: Oh okay? And are these stories first hand stories?
Speaker 9: All of them are first hands, summer secondhand, but a
lot of them are first hands.
Speaker 5: Okay, well pick the pick the best too, and tell
us we're all yours. Man.
Speaker 9: Well, one day there's a secondary fence sister inside the wall, okay,
for security and stuff. So we have to and checked
all these zones of the fences. They have temper alarms
and intentional arms on and stuff. So being one of
my servants are going out to check these is wintertime,
there's snow on the ground, it's cold. You're walking between
the plant ops building and the trash compactor. We just
see his big black mass goes through the fence, up
the wall, across the top of the wall, down on
the other side and gone. And it went really really fast,
just just a mass, no real shape or just a mass.
When I went across the top of the wall, blocked
out to the lights which are eight feet up. You
couldn't see lay it through it, you know. We we
called out to control head and checked the footprints. There's
nothing out there to see. You know.
Speaker 5: How big was how big was this mass?
Speaker 9: Well it was the lights on top of the wall
or eight feet up, and I blocked out to the
lights when I went across the top. So it's at
least eight feet tall. What do you do?
Speaker 5: Okay, so when you see something like this, what do
you think it is?
Speaker 9: Like some kind of ghostly Well, you know, it went
through a channeling fence, so I didn't think it was
human obviously, you know, obviously up the wall really fast
and gone, so you know, I didn't know what it was.
We call those that patrol, had them check for footprints
in the snow. There's no footprints. You know. We never
did a report. You think we're insane?
Speaker 5: Brian? Is there a name for a black mass? What
do people call them? Shadow meanings?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Shadow, creature, shadow being, Yeah, it's gotta be.
Speaker 5: I mean, I would just first assumption would think, oh,
it's some kind of an evil entity of some sort.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 9: What was running away from us? I'm thinking, so it was.
It couldn't have been too scary, you know, that's true.
Speaker 5: You got a point there.
Speaker 9: You definitely.
Speaker 5: Have you ever taken reports of stuff like that? Brian?
Speaker 6: We actually had something like that happened on one of
our expeditions.
Speaker 5: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was large and Coleman actually was the one
that saw it, and that was probably one of our
first But I would say, paranormal situations that we got into,
and uh, basically we ended up. He was by himself
walking up the road and he saw this thing run
across the road and then he come back and got
me and we went out there and we was looking
for stuff because I was looking for a bigfoot, you know,
and I brought my thermal and that's that's actually when
we caught the whisper audio. We had an audio recorder
set up, you know, right close to where we were at,
and that's where it was. And uh, but whatever it was,
it but he saw it running across the road and
it kind of freaked him out. And uh, but anyway,
that's that's that was. He said it was humanoid. He
said that it was upright, it was bipedal, and he
said that he could see the legs and wow, and
but he said it was black and it was kind
of blurry and uh. But the weird thing was is,
you know, we got over there and we scanned with
the thermals and we never picked anything up. But instead
of we assumed that whatever it was it left the area.
But that wasn't actually the case because what it did
was is it actually instead of leaving it it closed
the gap and it moved in closer to camp, and
you know, no fear whatsoever. And so we walked right
by these things, walking out to where he had seen
this thing, and then we were Thurman didn't see anything.
I I wish I could tell you one hundred percent
that I turned around and I ran my thermal camera
back over the area closer to camp. But I don't
remember if I did or not. But I still think
that I should have seen something on thermal, but I
just it was kind of one of those things. We
didn't know that we'd gotten the whispers and stuff like
that till after we got back, and it was like
two weeks later when I was working.
Speaker 5: So obviously skippy this, this is obviously a real thing.
I have heard other reports. There was a similar story
reported on Monster Quest here about two months ago. You
might want to check that episode out because I think
most of the episode is on these black masses.
Speaker 9: This didn't have a shape, you know, I couln't say,
just you know, a black mass. I can't see it
was a certain sheep or anything, but it's just a
black mass.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 5: And did it did it scare anybody? I mean, was
anybody scared after this.
Speaker 9: You were just surprised because you know, you don't expect
to see anything else. We're the only two in the
yard at the time. You know, she's go through a
fence and up and there shouldn't have been anything there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I just kind of shocked this more than anything else.
I wasn't scared. The scary parts. When you're looking down
the one of the gates to the tunnels under the
under the prison, there's a light in the back of
the tunnel back and you see a head polke on
once in a while looking at you. That's a look creepy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So tell us another crazy story that's happened to you.
Speaker 9: Well, one time I was working a segregation on overnights
and we had a guy that hung himself and saw
four thirty five didn't make it. Well, like four five
years later, I'm working overnights and stuff, and like two
o'clock in the morning, some guys are yelling, see O
see you get this guy of myself? But you know
on there, like, what are you talking about, dude? He
described to Tea the guy that hung himself in that
cell like five years earlier, sitting on the end of
his bunk. No way you could known what the guy
looked like, you know, would you that was pred but
but you know what he looked like, it looked like
and stuff. Yeah, he described him to a T. You know,
there's no way you know, he probably didn't have no click.
Guy even hung himself in that cell. You know, he
know what it looks like. He described him to a
T sitting in the end of his bunk. And they're
all single cells in segregation, so you shouldn't been anybody
else in the cell with him.
Speaker 5: That's uh, that's yeah. It's beyond a going incidents.
Speaker 9: There's no just thing as a coincidence in life. Everything
is your reason.
Speaker 5: No, so how many so how many total like weird
things have you heard about?
Speaker 9: Oh gosh, how many have you seen myself? I mean
there's you know, the black masks, you know, seahouse, I
mean doing arounds and n ee house and stuff. He
see feet going on the back side of the unit.
Is you're doing their ounds. You're the only one in
there walking around. You're walking down the gally of Gally
thirty thirty eight nine in ehouse, it like somebody's running
behind you. If you turn around to be a face
like right here, you could just feel their age if
you could turn up the gally to do it. You know,
stuff like that happens a lot. Uh, there's one of
the early cooks in the kitchen. We'd get me down there,
get in the kitchen ready to go for in the morning.
He's the only person down there, and they open up
the door for the center shop and the door just
slam shut. I mean, you know, not just coming loose
and shutting it, I mean slam shut. Wow, there's the
door on the on the big They get a huge
oven in there for making bread and stuff, and they
keep the door shutting and looking the camera the doors open.
Cook goes back their shut store again, latches at the top,
latches on the door, and then hears the door open
up again. You know, nothing should have been back to
open it. You know, it opened the latches and opened
the door. Now that happens a lot. Just I mean,
there's so many things just a corner copy of of
of stuff. Now they the inmates say they hear a
baby crying an the house. And back in the twenties
and thirties, I think it was they actually house women
in the houses in the prison and there was a
baby and baby Joan that died as a beardy cross
road in the cemetery. You know, they hear that once
in a while, you hear story about inmates. You mean,
like I call it sleep proalysis, where they can't get
up from the beds, like something's holding them down. Stuff. Yeah,
it makes see a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5: So what have you seen though, Well, the masks and
the mask.
Speaker 9: The head peeking around the corner.
Speaker 5: Stuff, you know, tell us, tell you we want more
details on the corner.
Speaker 9: Doing doing some round inside the yard and stuff. There's
alwasnse fla the shop. There's a big gate for the
tunnels under the prison stuff, you know, big Bard gate,
so you know you don't go past that. You looked
on the gate. There's a light in the back of
the tunnel tunnel back there and stuff. So you're looking
back there, checking the locks and stuff on the gate,
make sure everything's secured. And you look down there and
it looks like your head peaks up from the corner
and goes back, and then peaks out and goes back.
It happens like three or four times and stuff. And
I've had that, but happened on multiple occasions.
Speaker 5: And there cannot be any people back there.
Speaker 9: Back there, Yeah, it's everything's secured. All the inmates are
locked in. There's you know, you have to get special
keys to get back there and stuff. The keys aren't
out and stuff. So yeah, nobody's back there. Yeah, it's
it's crazy, creepy and creepy.
Speaker 5: Is there bad Okay, Like David just said, there's a
lot of bad energy and all huge prisons, huge y yes,
I can only imagine. Yeah, do you ever bring anything home?
Speaker 9: And you know, we've had a lot of stuff happened.
I guess I A lot of it happened before I
started working there, you know, so it was afterwards, but possibly.
Speaker 5: So have you had stuff happen at home? Though?
Speaker 9: I was sitting at home one day and I was
sitting on the bed, just pulled some wander out of
the dryer, had the laundry sitting on the bed. I
was starting to pull stuff and look over at the
closet and just see remember the predator in the movie
with Arnold Schwarsinger kind of had that that changing.
Speaker 5: You were.
Speaker 9: Foot and it went across the room and the blind
on the windows shook. The windows were opening, but the
blind shook. So I don't know what that was that
happened to me.
Speaker 5: Why you got me?
Speaker 9: You got me? My mom was gaily, what was that?
Speaker 5: Uh? When did it happen?
Speaker 9: That was probably twelve fifteen years ago? Okay, wow, living
on twenty seven, that's a time. So my mom her
family back in the nineteen eighteen sixty four, I think
it was my grandpa would out and shot himself, my
grandma and for my mom's brothers and sisters. Right. So
my niece who lives in North Carolina, it just had
a baby and stuff. So her mom and grandma go
out to visit stuff. So they goes this They had
this big folk festival going on and stuff. So they
go see this person who in Portutellian and stands and whatnot.
And he asked a couple of times during during the show,
you know, it's anybody here from Minnesota. So my niece
friendly raised her hand, Yeah we are. He says, would
you mind sticking around? I've got a couple of questions.
Speaker 5: I'd like to ask you.
Speaker 9: I don't want to ask in front of the whole
group and stuff. The stick around and stuff. So everybody
else leaves and he says yeah, I've got some people
here there are talking to me. I've got a guy
he keeps apologizing. He's seeing he's so sorry, so sorry
for what he did. He's so sorry. I have a
lady here has got a pain in her head and
a painter her side. She was holding her head and
her side, talking about how she loves her rhubarb and stuff,
and you know, just wondering what's all going on. And
for the little kids. Well, you know, my grandpa, you know,
obviously apologizes and my grandma, I'm assuming as my grandma
had a huge, huge garden. The whole set of garden
was all solid lutle burb and she just loved the
ruburb and stuff. And then you know, he had a
bunch of details and stuff that nobody in the family
talks about this at all. So my niece gets done,
calls my mom and says, he and nanak, you know
this happened. Can ask you a couple of questions. So
she asked her all the questions and everything, and the
guy pointed out was it was right on the money,
did true? And you know, nobody talks about this in
the family. My niece didn't know what I didn't know it.
You know, he couldn't have got it from her by
asking questions and stuff because she doesn't know any of
the answers. But yeah, he know all these details and
stuff about this situation from nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 5: Did you ever hear any big foot stories from up there?
Up north?
Speaker 9: I have a coworker who hunts Wayne quite a way
up in northern Minnesota. He both hunts and he's I
mean he's way he's not near anything close. I mean
there's nothing by him, and he swears up and down
he heard woodknock you out there once. You know, I
do a lot of girls thinking up in the Task County.
I've never seen a bigfoot. I've never heard a big
foot or anything I thought was a big foot. You know,
I believe in the phenomenon one hundre percent, but I've
never experience of myself. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, there's there's
stuff what here we don't understand. There's stuff we have
no concept about.
Speaker 5: Oh no, that's true. And the weird creature I saw
swooping our car wasn't too far from where you live, wonderful,
pretty pretty close.
Speaker 9: In fact, I clipped the deer with my pickup truck.
It would have had been helpful to have him take
the deer in front of me.
Speaker 5: Oh jeez, all right, you can just stick just stick around, Skippy.
We're going to talk a little more to Brian here.
Speaker 11: I don't know what time is.
Speaker 5: We're gonna have to write. We'll wrap up. We've got
about fifteen minutes left here and stick around Brian. Sure,
So we haven't really talked about Bigfoot much. What do
you think they are? Do you think they're just you know,
they seem more plausible to be just a flesh and
blood creature than a dog man, But maybe they're both
flesh and blood. If you had to bet ten bucks
right now on flesh and blood, on dog man and
Bigfoot or pure normal, what would you what would you do?
Speaker 6: I would probably lean more towards flesh and blood. Yeah,
you know, that's just my personal opinion. And but then again,
it's like, how much of that is what I want
it to be?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: What am I comfortable with? I have run into some
pretty weird stuff, but you know I'm not you know,
the weird stuff bears very little physical evidence, and so
that's the part that I kind of struggle with. And
so whenever you've got something that ain't leaving no physical evidence,
you've got to ask yourself, you know, questions like, well,
how much of this was misinterpretation on my part, you know,
or or the you know, the people, Yeah, that's I agree.
They I'm thinking I'm leaning more towards really commonoids, you know,
And I always tell people when it comes to sasquats especially,
you know, you know, what was it, you know, one
hundred thousand years ago, you know, we picked up the club,
you know, and we found that a club was very
handy for protecting ourselves. And and our line of thinking
has been involved around this technology for thousands and thousands
of years, and it's turned into you know, all all
of this stuff that we have now, our tech, you know,
but all of that started The direction that we took,
you know, one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand years ago,
with our technology was basically centered around defending ourselves against
creatures that were larger and faster and more vicious than us.
But what if you never had to do that? What
if what if you weren't naturally the alpha, you know
in the woods. What if you were so large that
you didn't need to clothe yourself, and you didn't need
to build houses to protect yourselves from millards. I mean,
the line of thinking would be completely different, you know,
the things that you dwell upon once you have a
full tummy. It would have been completely different than what
our line of thinking has always been traditionally. So in
a way, they would have developed technology that was completely
different than ours. And it could be around a nature
type technology and the end to stuff.
Speaker 5: And like a superability I guess yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, take take a look at what a chameleon
can do and the way that octopuses and you know,
can change colors like gals. Yeah, I mean the nature. Yeah,
Nature's full of crazy stuff that developed, you know, over
thousands and thousands of years. Who's to say that you
know the stuff that they do just because we don't
understand it, That doesn't mean that it comes from the
fourth dimension, right, I mean, it's just we have a
problem admitting that we don't understand and we don't know everything.
That's one of our human failures and menst all of
us is we we just we have a hard time
staying I don't know, and so who knows?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: There you go, so what do you think they are skippy.
Speaker 5: You hear all these stories, you've been in the back room,
doc man, do you believe dogmen are real? Do you
believe Bigfoot's real?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 9: I've never had any experience with dog man Bigfoot. You know,
there's too many cultures and too many different parts of
the plant that didn't have any communication each other that
experienced the same thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Good, And I just I'm convinced there's not just things
a coincidence. Everything's for a reason, you know. I just
there's tens of thousands of sightings in this country alone
of Bigfoot. Yeah, you know, and in order for all
either it has to be either all hoaxed or even
if there's just one real. You know, if if I
was trying to convict some of and murder right now,
I could take all the big Foot evidence and that
could put him in prison for life, you know. But
until we have a body, you're not gonna convince nine
of the people out there that is real. You need
a body for it. Even then you're gonna have somebody
Oh it's fake, you know, just like millions. You know, Yeah,
it is what it is.
Speaker 5: But what do you think, Brian, what do you think
it's going to take. How do you think this mystery
is going to end? If ever, do you think it
might end.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's going to end anytime soon. That's
that's where I'm probably kind of different from everybody else.
I actually think that the fact that the mystery keeps
going on, I think it's good. I think it's intentional.
I think that if we did discover Bigfoot, I think
it would be the beginning of the end for them,
you know, because you know, nothing touch thrives. You have
a point there, Well, we've got you know, thousands, Yeah, yeah,
we uh. We we discover new species and we kill them.
That's what we do. And so I don't think that
becoming known is a good thing. And that's with all cryptids.
So I think they're better off, you know, and we've
we've really kind of gone full circle.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like we live in a day and time where
even if I did get like the best four k,
sixty frames per second video footage that you ever saw,
you know, you wouldn't believe it. And so there's no
sense of me putting something like that out on on
social media for people to look at.
Speaker 5: Because we obviously some would, but many wouldn't. And I agree,
oh yeah, but you would create a war.
Speaker 6: Well, it's kind of the same reason why a lot
of my audio stuff is in public. It's like, man,
I don't really feel like spending you know, sixteen seventeen
hours defending it in the comment. You know, I don't
want to go to war with somebody. I mean, every
time I put something like that out, you know, every
time we do it, like a little documentary, we will
throw in a couple of little audio segments or something,
you know, and every time it's like, I'm I'm doing
the keyboard warrior thing trying to keep it from saying
horrible things in the comments. They obviously have never gotten
off of their couch, you know, and so it's it's
just it's like, what do I want to go to
war on? That's that's what we put in our documentaries.
It's like the stuff that we think is valuable enough
that we're willing to take heat just to get it
out there, so that people that really do care about
this stuff, you know, they'll have that to look at.
It's like the it's like the Whispers audio that we
put in to our first documentary, The Whispers in the woods.
We actually spent a considerable amount of time arguing about
whether or not we really wanted to put that out there.
We decided that the truth was the truth, and we
just you got to put it out there, you know,
damn the torpedoes. You got to put it out there,
because there could be other people out there who are
in possession of audio segments that are similar to that
that they need to hear that, you know, they need
to know that somebody else out there has caught something
weird like that too, so and it's just you just
got to do it. You got to buy the home.
Speaker 5: Now. The one thing I think about often is whether
the government knows or doesn't know on the reality of
these things. You would think that they would at least
have studied them, or you know what I mean, had
a group and had some funding, or maybe there still
is a group of people all that do nothing but
take reports and collect data. Why. I don't know. Why
not you you had no end of your pocket? What
do you think, Brian, what do you think, Skippy?
Speaker 9: Well, look at like mountaint Helens and Mount Helens you
re upted. You know, there's stories of if they're being
wounded Bigfoot on the on the slopes of Mount Hints
Saint Helens. The government hooped in and took them off away.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I mean, that's what people claim. Yeah, I mean,
but you know.
Speaker 9: The stories about that. You know, there's stories about you know,
there's young girls and stuff with they have that like
what would you call it paranoid or paranormal activity in
the house. I think it's like a poultry gust or something.
It's traced back to usually a younger teenage female with
the emotional stuff going on, and and and they're actually
you've opened them stuff the stuff themselves, you know. Yeah,
you know, who knows. Maybe maybe it's all interconnected like that.
Speaker 5: Well, it sounds like you're kind of into the paranormal skivvy.
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I'm getting more and more every day. It's
it's interesting that the Palmer house one day and check
that out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's you know, there's nothing wrong with it,
because curiosity of any type is a good thing because
it feel alive a lot of Hey, that's why you're
on the podcast, because you're curious when you.
Speaker 9: Hear something really creepy. Yeah, sure, I have an obvious
obuloust app on my phone. It's like a word generator
for the spirits are supposed to be able to generate words. Yeah,
so I'm just playing around with it one day. And
also it says, camera, what do I have sitting on
my lap my DSLR camera? Because I was taking hummingbird pictures?
Speaker 5: Okay, you know pictures. That's interesting and we're talking about the.
Speaker 9: Hum Yeah, but you know, I mean, of all the
things that of all the words to pick from, it
said camera, Well, I had the cameras in my lap.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is interesting.
Speaker 8: Speaking speaking of camera, I got to mention this because
it's so cool that Brian has behind him Kodak K
one hundred. It's not this exact model, but that's what
that's what Patterson used in the famous film.
Speaker 5: Was very cood.
Speaker 8: Kodak K one hundred. Super cool. He's got one of those.
Speaker 5: Oh that's that's a beauty.
Speaker 6: It's the elements. It works.
Speaker 5: What but you know what back then, all you have
to do is push you know, you haven't wound pushed
one button in his filming fixed focus lens.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's heavy as hell, and and he supposedly I
think he did it with a twenty five milimeter aperture,
which I have loaded down here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he used a single lens one. You have the
turret one, but it's the same camera, just different lenses.
But kind of neat to see one of those. I
I just had to comment on that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, cool is interesting. Yeah, I spent some time. I'm
researching what kind of whether it was the turn, whether
it was the regular one, and you know, it's like
there's a lot of conjecture there is, there's a there's
some debate on that.
Speaker 8: There's I've I've heard both too, you know, I know definitely.
Speaker 6: He has I think he has the non turrent variety
on display down there at his museum. So and but yeah,
who knows. They don't know what happened to the original camera,
could of course the one that has it may be it.
Speaker 5: We don't know, so.
Speaker 10: Supposedly, Michael, do you.
Speaker 5: Got any questions for either of our guests? I do not.
Speaker 10: I think this has been a fascinating discussion, and the
dog Man is is fascinating. I now someone asked a question,
is there have been a lot of reports of dog
women for his.
Speaker 5: Dog Man I think is just a name to describe both. Well.
Speaker 6: I I have gotten a couple of reports of them.
But I again, I don't get enough reports of female
dog man. Maybe I should be a little bit more
politically correct. I don't get enough of them to really
say that they form any type of pattern or anything.
And there's just not a lot of data on them,
So I don't know what to say about that. I'll
try to try to avoid that unless I get more data.
Speaker 5: Nobody has seen a dog man with breasts.
Speaker 6: I've gotten one report of that, and it was a
multiple teat situations. So but you know when you just
when you only have one report, it's like you just
take you put it up on a shelf and you
wait till you get more reports before because.
Speaker 5: Dogs have how many sets and do all have the
same amount?
Speaker 6: Well that that I haven't researched, but I'm sure chat GPT,
I'll tell us all about Well, I bet it would.
Speaker 5: I bet you're right. Yeah, I bet you're right. Oh
my god, Well, I hope you got skip you you
don't see a dog man in your prison.
Speaker 8: Most dogs have between eight to twelve. The dog lost
money on that one. Smaller breeds maybe a few six.
Larger breeds can have up to twelve. Wow, that's according
to AI.
Speaker 9: Wow, that's never wrong.
Speaker 5: It's it's never wrong.
Speaker 8: That's why I had to point that out. It's it's
a I So who knows if that's accurate or not.
It's unverified crap.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, thank you so much, Brian, And let's put
his books up. Do you want to promote the groups
that you work with?
Speaker 6: Well, I, you know, of course, I'm the founder of
Red Dirt crypt and Investigations, and we have a YouTube
channel on the Facebook page. And i also work with
the Native Oklahoma Bigfoot Research Organization out of Oklahoma. And
I'm also a member of the North American dog Man Project.
I'm a member of their Investigative Sciences Division.
Speaker 5: So and is that with Jody Cook?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm more than happy to look at any
evidence that they want looked at. So that's what the
Investigative Sciences Division does.
Speaker 5: I didn't I wanted to see the cover of the
last one you had up, Jeff. There we go, Oklahomas
a Zoology one on one. Love the cover.
Speaker 8: It's a great cover.
Speaker 5: That's a great cover.
Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 5: And that's available on Amazon, I take it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know they both are, so yes.
Speaker 5: Please support Brian bios books go to the Red Dirt site.
I do often. Yeah, and I think always been nice
enough to let us post our show up on the
Red Dirt site. And we really appreciate that. Brian.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah. If anybody that's doing what I consider
to be good work, you know, I try to promote
them and keep the keep the riff raff a day,
and there's a there's a lot of it, although sometimes
I do have a hard time telling what's riff. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I'd love to get you back. Just be really cool
to talk about some of the technology for our tech breakdown. Yeah, yeah,
I we'd really like to do that. Thanks Skippy. Do
you have any last story you want to tell?
Speaker 9: Yeah? I hope you guys don't come to visit me
in prison.
Speaker 5: No, we won't.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to quit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we're trying to quit best, no promise best,
But I appreciate waiting around.
Speaker 9: This is great. Thank you guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh no, I appreciate you coming on, but you
don't have any last little tiny story.
Speaker 9: Oh boy, I was at my mother in law's house
one day. We're over at my mother in laws house.
We're all in the living and watching a movie. And stuff. Yeah,
and her house is a notoriously haunted The lady that
used to live in the house apparently died in the
house and stuff from cancer and stuff. So we're all
in the living and watching the movie. The dog's on
the floor, laying next to my mother in law's feet.
Also in the dog dish goes sliding across the floor
in the kitchen. Nobody's in there to push it, nothing
to touch it, go sliding across. The dog's laying next
to us. You know, my father in law has woken
up and looked up the stairs and saw that, and
thought my niece was awakened, you know, going to the
bathroom or something, and tells her to get back in bed.
Walks upstairs and she's in bed, sleeping, not wearing a
night only the person you just saw. You know, all
kinds of weird stuff happens like that at the end.
You know.
Speaker 5: The thing is, you're really just like all of us.
We're all average people. Oh yeah, but most of us
never have a chance to tell their story publicly.
Speaker 9: Yep, it's true, true, Yeah, we all It.
Speaker 5: Would be so cool if we could just extract all
of the all of the pure normal and even all
the big wood sightings. I think like one percent maybe
four percent nowadays get reported, don't you agree, Brian?
Speaker 6: Oh, it's it's so low.
Speaker 9: So I always talked to work. I wish I would
have talked to all the older tarried stuff and got
all the good stories before they retire, because they're gone
and the stories are gone.
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, that's true. You got a point. All right, everybody,
hang on, We're just going to do our quick wisdom
and then we're going to say goodbye. It's all around.
Speaker 8: Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: It's now time for untold Radio and Wisdom of the Week.
Speaker 7: Gossip is one of the cheapest forms of entertainment and
one of the most expensive things a person can take
part in. It feels harmless when it starts, but gossip
is like tossing feathers into the wind. Once it leaves
your mouth, you don't control where it lands, who it hurts,
or how big it grows. Good Night, We hope to
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Speaker 9: I have been there, and oh you haven't. I'm quite addicted.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 5: Well that's good now and we'll have you back. You
write down some more stories and we'll get you back good.
All right, all right, thanks guys.
Speaker 8: Good I thanks Miney.
Speaker 5: Everybody, appreciate everybody.
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been bothered by dreams and feeling all day.
Speaker 2: You give me comfort, say just give it some time.
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time we would be together every day. But I know
if better would be less straight and.
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as our way. If ever you should be endowed or comprate.
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of the world together.
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