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Speaker 1: Tonight's guest is blinds well, looking back on.

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Speaker 2: The life that you leave him. Then resting on in

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the crowd. Stick around for the crane, the feeding, the fire.

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Speaker 3: You'll be dancing around on hearing the sound of the treating,

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Speaker 2: One cares where he's coming to. My ears are still

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raining and feeding.

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Speaker 3: I guess we all knew from the start.

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Speaker 4: He's on the days.

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Speaker 2: You're one of these days will be the world were

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looking for lances? What it's SASKI?

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Speaker 1: These are the test.

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Speaker 2: Mother cos my costa.

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Speaker 5: Leading the fuse of.

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Speaker 2: The ashes, the spirits that up, then the house You're life.

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Speaker 1: From the Untold Radio Network. It's Untold Radio Am.

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Speaker 6: With Monster Quest producer.

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Speaker 1: Host Doug Hichek and co host Jeff Pirella Junior. Untold

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Radio Am is going live right now. This show is

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for entertainment purposes only. Yep, that's the ticket.

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Speaker 7: Now Here are your Untold Radio A m posts, Doug

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high Check, Jeff Corella Jr.

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Speaker 8: And welcome everyone.

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Speaker 5: Hey Jeffrey, how.

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Speaker 8: Great got back my week vacation? Love it feeling good?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Good? Welcome all of our people in chat the Alans.

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That word's actually pretty easy to say it in the

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fringe space. I love it. Welcome to un to old

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Radio Am. I am Doug high Check. And that is

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Jeff Pirilla Junior, better known as the Big Ragu m

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But Jeff, have you always been the Big grag gu

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from your family? Uh?

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Speaker 8: No, The Big Grego came up about twenty some years

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ago I started being online. It's kind of my first

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Speaker 5: In the fourth.

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Speaker 8: It's stuck, all right. I think it works pretty good.

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I'm a big, big Italian meatball, so it works pretty good.

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Speaker 5: Also, somebody who may be joining us as a guest

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co host is Michael Shoe a little bit here, and

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Michael is all the way from Minnesota too, so it'd

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be three of us Minnesota boys. Yes, but you know,

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I hope everybody had a great fourth I did, and

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I had a great weekend today I did. I was

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so busy I literally skid it in because my daughter

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surprised me at the last second, and the vet surprised

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I was working, so all that just kind of happened.

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Speaker 8: Wow, nice good day.

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Speaker 5: Ah, yeah, just the days go by too quick. So anyhow,

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speaking of quick, tonight, we have a guest Brian Terrell,

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right from Oklahoma, and he's from Oklahoma and he's been

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researching cryptids since nineteen ninety six. How many years is that?

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It's a long time, more than three thirty? Said thirty

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six years, right, yeah, thirty six years, No, thirty thirty

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Speaker 8: I was thinking like.

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Speaker 5: I was thinking like college graduate there for a minute. Okay,

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what else we got? And then also we may have

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a gentleman by the name of Skippy Johnson come on.

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he was witnessed to at a somewhat local prison. So

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we'll have him come on at the kind of towards

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the end of the show. So if you're in the

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ghost stories, you're gonna want to stick around for that.

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But in the meantime, I hope you all didn't need

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too many damn hot dogs. Jeff, are you guilty?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Yes, I ate way too much all week.

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dogs yes, I'm guilty. I guess they say you shave

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spring water sitting here in front of you. So should

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grab a cold beverage?

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Speaker 8: Time for some news.

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Speaker 8: News if you welcome, Michael Kyrie comes.

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Speaker 6: Hey, good to see you guys.

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Speaker 5: I'm Michael Hire. Your connection was a little funky. I

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I think I think that looks much better now. It

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happens even with us once in a while, things go haywire.

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awful lot of heavy lifting.

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Speaker 5: It could be you never know. No, first up, let's

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do our news go ahead. First off, is a possible

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new ghost shark found off Costa Rica. Scientists and Costa

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Rica have maybe it says me, so it's unverified, may

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have found a new species of ghost shark near Cabo

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Blanco in Cano Island. Apparently this particular ghost shark is

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shorter as a shorter snout, darker color pattern, and a

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much longer dorsal fin spine. And yeah it is longer

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live that thing. Don't sit on that thing. So these

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things apparently split from sharks nearly four hundred million years ago,

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just a drop in the book.

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Speaker 8: Sharks have been here a long time.

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Speaker 5: Can you even fathom four hundred million years.

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cousins still cruising around, kind of like the Cela Cant.

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Speaker 5: Then NASA launched a robot as a rescue mission for

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a failing space telescope. NASA and Catalyst Space launched a

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spacecraft call called Link to chase down the the neil.

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gamma ray telescope that's been slowly losing altitude. We don't

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want that. It says, Link is supposed to grab or

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sterilize Swift with the robotic arms boosted higher before it

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falls towards destruction. And apparently NASA basically sent a tow

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truck into space. Yeah, well it would be Triple S,

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Speaker 8: Something like that?

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Speaker 5: Like that? And did you take that picture?

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Speaker 8: Actual photograph?

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Speaker 5: Ride on SpaceX to get it? Then we have a

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very interesting topic scientists say quantum systems can be made

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to look like time runs backwards. Now I can't even

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get my my head wrapped around this. It says A

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Los Alamo's team designed to quantum control methods that can

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reshape the arrow of time in a quantum system, even

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producing trajectories that look inverted.

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it's a quantum physics time reverser.

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backward in time. Theoretically, it's pretty stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't understand it, but thank you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, potentially you could have a warning of for example,

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a major nuclear war would possibly send particles backwards and time,

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Speaker 5: Got you, like a like a nuclear detector that would.

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Speaker 8: Then warn Yeah, yeah, didn't we need enough cause particles

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to go backwards so in time? In theory, you could

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Speaker 5: Isn't it a bunch of unverified crap? Michael, completely unverified,

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totally totally yeah, I agree, all right, Next colonies have

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emergency nurses, but not what you'd expect.

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Speaker 8: And can they answer go back in time too or something?

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Speaker 5: A news study says carpenter ants do not have specialized medics. Instead,

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injured ants are treated by workers transitioning from brood care

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to foraging. These middle duty ants are socially well connected

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in their nest, and carpenter ants already know how to

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do wound care like what who ever thought? It's pretty

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wild even they even perform amputations to stop infections. So

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forget Grave's anatomy. The ants have traumacare. Michael, is that

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Speaker 6: It's totally unverified.

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I swear to god, I ripped my nylon shirt and

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this Navy seal guy that we were with, Pizza Zabrinski,

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took I don't know kind of answer, were kind of

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hands he don't want to mess with, and he stapled

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's pretty crazy. You can't stitch up wounds with that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh painful though, all right. Next to parasitic plants,

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of this. He went down to the jungles of coast

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Speaker 8: This is just this morning to step back.

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Speaker 5: God, it's crazy at what we do to get you guys.

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Speaker 8: The news spanning the globe.

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Speaker 5: Yes, researchers found that the whola hole of parasitic plant Jeff,

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and you can pronounce the plant name, go ahead. Uh,

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that was pretty damn good. Which cannot photos symphasis that's

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Photos sympis sympths photo. Yeah, there you go, my brain

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just exploded. It has acquired a mitochon udal genes from

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the host plant. Even stranger, some of those stolen genes

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become functional and replace its original genes, so the plant

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doesn't just steal food, it steals the instruction manual. Is

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that verified, Michael?

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Speaker 6: That's scary. I don't know if it's verified or not,

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but it's scary.

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Speaker 5: Just scary. Perfect. That's a good comment. All right. Then

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we have uh uh perseverance found complex organic manner of Mars. Gosh,

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NASA's Perseverance rover detected macro molecular carbon. That's a mouthful

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in rocks from Bright Angel Bright Angel formation at the

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U zero crater. You've gone to the zero Cre're right, Jeff,

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Speaker 8: Did you get my pictures?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think you took Michael with you, as I remember,

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Speaker 8: We'll let you know.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. It says, well, this is not proof of life,

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life that once again, the word may have been widely

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present in ancient Martian lakes and rivers. So Mars still

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life there, but it keeps leaving us suspicious little clues

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Speaker 8: I don't think theres any life right now, but I.

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Speaker 5: Like, just like a fossil or something.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there's be evidence that life existed there.

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of some creature on Mars.

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you never know what they're going to find.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 8: And it's a big planet. We've only seen within walking

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Speaker 5: Yeah that's true, Yeah, just barely. So.

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Speaker 8: I don't think there's to be creatures, you know, evidence

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of you know, of complex animals there. But I think

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there's almost certainly gonna be evidence of you know, really

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Speaker 5: And can you guys, can you guys both say heartburn?

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Which is what I'm getting from the barbecue. I just did.

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I'm thinking, has anybody else there got a tombs you

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can pass me? Oh jeez, all right, about twenty minutes.

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That'd be awesome. All right. Ruben Observatory started filming the

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greatest cosmic movie ever, the Veris Reuben Observatory. He began

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its ten year legacy UH survey of space and Time

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sky repeatedly with a three thousand, two hundred megapixel camera.

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Is that bigger than your camera, Michael? Yes, okay, building

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a massive time lapse of the universe. It has already

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found about eleven eleven thousand new asteroids, including near Earth objects.

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there you go. Interesting.

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Speaker 8: I've never seen the Southern sky like I've never been

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self the equator. I would very much like to see you.

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Speaker 5: I thought you were there this morning to get that picture.

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Speaker 8: It was it was too bright. I could see the stars.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, next a fossil x lottle. That's a that's

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a tough one. Accellent, three times acillttle accellt axil lottle.

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Well done, Yes, thank you. I can't see The other

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word with the photo sympathisis I get tongue titan? Certain words,

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A fossil Axlettle species rewrites Mexico's salamander history and Jeff

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just swam down into the clear streams in Mexico and

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took that. Damn you're good quite but la. This week,

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it says, researchers identified a new fossil Axlettle species, and

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it's called Jeff. Do you want to take a stab

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at the.

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Speaker 8: Amicult?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I get that. What's the coliat thing?

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Speaker 8: Good?

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Speaker 5: From Lago Mexico. Apparently, Wired reported July fourth that it's

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the first fossil salamanders species formally described in Mexico in

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the oldest known record of a Amnistoma genus. There, the

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fossil shows traits tied to Neo Tinney. Oh my god,

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this is such a BS article, the ax Lottle, famous famous.

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This is the axlttle famous never grow.

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Speaker 8: Up trap Neotenny and he never really develops past the

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uh kind of past the tadpole stage. It doesn't fully develop.

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Speaker 5: It's like one of those nuts taking newt they don't

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ever get must be a newt cousin, cousin. Yeah, and

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you see that fossil Jeff found and laid it right there,

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right there, Coke the ax lottle to crawl up on

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that rock for the perfect picture. Isn't that the perfect picture?

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Speaker 8: Mike the work.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing the photography that you get. Oh my god,

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that was you know what that was? That was all

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weird and boring news, a little bit unverified. All right,

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let's do our clips, and I think all we have

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is clips, and we're gonna bring Brian on correct. Yeah,

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so you better get ready, Brian.

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Speaker 8: Alright, let's play some clips.

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 5: Clip one is from my one of my favorite channels.

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It probably is one of yours too, the channel called

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Bikes and Beards. But they went and they bought a

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Chinese bike on Amazon and they it was supposedly a

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twin cylinder bike. And I wouldn't have put this clip in,

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but I'm telling you, I spit my coffee out when

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I was watching this. It was so funny. So they started,

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they put it together, whatever they had to do, and

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they started and this is the sound from me twin

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cylinder cruiser motorcycle.

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Speaker 11: Go ahead, play it?

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Speaker 5: Did you imagine. Thank you. I can't anyhow, Thank you

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Sean for that channel.

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Speaker 8: If you're into motorcycles, bikes and beards, it's.

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Speaker 5: A channel, it is. Yeah, I just lot of fun

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you okay. The number two. The sound is okay. This

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is a giant squid egg simulation. I think about two

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weeks ago we covered the find of this giant squid

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egg because it's been a mystery and apparently this happened

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like in Norway or somewhere over there. But go ahead

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and play this clip.

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Speaker 12: It's divers found a squid egg sack the size of

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a car off the coast of Norway. The eggs were real, confirmed,

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but no one has ever seen the mother and nobody

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wants to.

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Speaker 8: There you go, all right, that's very dramatic.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. It just makes people think, right when they

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have a visual. Of course, that was Ai the visual

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all right. Clip three. The sound is good. This. I've

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never seen a baby tip here or taper they call

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them there, But anyhow, look at the like this thing.

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It's amazing. The coloration of the camera floy isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 8: As if they were as if they weren't weird enough, weird.

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Speaker 5: Enough exactly so this thing is kind of stolen the internet.

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Have you you know what what part of the country

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are tip peers from?

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Speaker 8: Michael Africa?

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Speaker 6: Are they no clue?

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Speaker 5: Can somebody look that up? Somebody look it up? We

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need to know.

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Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure they're from Africa, but I could want

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some in the audience will look it up.

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Speaker 5: They'll fact Jack okay, and the Native trackers says that

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giants Humboldt squid up to two thousand bones. That's possible.

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Who knows. We don't know what's working, all right, sort

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of got next to four clip four. The sound is good.

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This is a canary whale or what they call it

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bluega whale they live in in the article, and I

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thought this was cool because she's really showing how they

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make their audio, all the audio, and they've trained this

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well to perform certain sounds on c so I found

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it interesting. Good play.

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Speaker 13: Did you know blue whales talk through the whole located

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on top of their head. Blue whales play can make

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a wide variety of sounds from the two air sacks

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that they can manipulate through that bow hole. Blue whales

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can make very high range noises and very low quila

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has over fifteen different vocalizations that she knows.

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Speaker 13: A common misconception is that bluega whales talk through their mouths,

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but they do not.

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Speaker 8: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, who would have Who would have thought? That's what

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I saw like when I smack my knuckles on them.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they're need animals. They genuinely seem to like humans,

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which is kind of unique. Even in the wild. They

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seem to really like humans.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's been There was that one that went viral ward.

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I think a girl dropped her phone in the bole

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of the pool at a zoo and the thing went

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down and got it and gave it back to her.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they're pretty neat. They're smart.

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Speaker 5: Do we have we have bluga whales that the Minnesota's

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Who don't we Michael?

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Speaker 6: I have never seen one.

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Speaker 5: No, never have you ever been to the Minnesota Zoo.

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Speaker 10: I've been there, but I've never seen one there.

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Speaker 5: I could have swore they did. I swear, but I could.

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Speaker 8: Be wrong, not now, but I know I'm pretty sure

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they did at one point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, at one point all right? And did an'tbody

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find out where those tippiers are from? Central and South America?

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That's what I thought. I stand corrected, Yeah, I did

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not for me Africa. I can't tell people unverified information

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like that. Ever, Well, at one point they were in Africa,

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you know, everything was probably there at one point. Yeah,

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all right.

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Speaker 11: Clip five.

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Speaker 5: Sound is really good on this. This is how dubaid

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does fireworks. I had to put this in because I

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thought it was pretty weird.

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Speaker 9: Go ahead and play this, guys about a second bucket?

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Speaker 15: Yes, okay, anyta do?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 8: Oh wow, it's crazy.

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Speaker 11: Wow.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that would be kind of a fire answer, right.

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Speaker 6: I don't think.

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Speaker 15: Who the bumble, guys, you gotta do?

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Speaker 6: That's sad?

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Speaker 5: Whoa there? You go? All right?

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Speaker 11: Answer?

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Speaker 8: Oh that's that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 5: Some ways it looks like AI. It's unverified. It could

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Pete Tennessee, we don't know who in Dubai.

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Speaker 6: Is that what I just saw?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? So how long will it be? Michael? Because you're

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a bit of a AI. You're actually editing an AI

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documentary right now? What's it called? Can you even say?

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Speaker 10: Machine?

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Speaker 5: God? Cool? And they say that maybe it's like one

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to two years that the humans will not be able

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to perceive AI video or film from reality. I don't

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know if that's true.

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Speaker 10: What do you say, I think we're already there, so okay, yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's definitely your question it But like, for instance,

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I saw one today that I could tell was it

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was like there's a lot of people like inventing products

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on using AI and they're trying to market them and

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they're scams, right, something that everybody would really want, And

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so then they go they have a website. You gotta

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be careful of this, and they offer things for sale,

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and then you're gonna get suckered because it ain't gonna

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be real. Like they're putting out like new types of

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cars to get deposits and new types of motorcycles and

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it's all bs. It's just scams. And but if you

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watch a lot of times, you'll see something like one

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aspect of it disappear. You know, it'll do something that's

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completely impossible. So if you're really in doubt, just have

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it more eyes, you know, put more eyes on it.

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Usually there's flaws right now with AI, but it's getting crazy.

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The issues with appendages are almost gone because I remember

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when it couldn't even get you know, the right amount

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of toes right fingers, which I went, oh man, there's

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no hope for this stuff. But it's pretty good now,

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well occasionally, but yeah, Northwest Native Tracker says, face to

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face business only good good rule I can get ripped off.

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And it seems like all right, and then let's see

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here we have six which is really interesting. This will

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probably kind of we kind of grocy out a little bit,

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but it's not too bad. Go ahead and play it.

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So you see this snake looking thing right here. This

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is so cool. This is something I've only read about.

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Look at this. This is not a snake. Those are

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millions of creature.

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Speaker 16: Those are black winged fruitfly larvae and they are in

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fact purposely mimicking a snake. And they're moving to a

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new food source. And that's not the only one. There's

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another group of them right here.

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Speaker 5: They probably look more.

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Speaker 10: I've never I've seen this in person.

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Speaker 5: I have probably looked more.

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Speaker 16: Articles, alight enough, but I got the idea gross wild, gross,

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very gross.

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Speaker 5: Right, So that's the fake snake nature is definitely weird. Now,

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A friend, Carl Crusher, released this today. He didn't produce

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the clip, but he released it and talked about it.

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So let's go ahead and play.

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Speaker 17: Carl Ufo Whistleblower David Grush is coming out in the

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media a lot more lately and revealing a ton more

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details about things that he's seen in classified u f

472
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FO files.

473
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Speaker 5: Check this out.

474
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Speaker 18: Tell us about some that you've seen that defy the ordinary.

475
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Speaker 19: Yeah, certainly, some of them are ordinary, and some of

476
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them end up being you know, foreign programs and our

477
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our own blue programs.

478
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Speaker 10: Uh.

479
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Speaker 19: I've seen a lot of different interesting anomalist videos where

480
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,880
we had you know, orbs cooler than background temperature, moving

481
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at four hundredknots, you know, things like that. Certainly, like

482
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I said in my presser on Tuesday, I did get

483
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access to crash retrieval photos and everything. So I've seen

484
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the recovered vehicles and everything. So I would say that's

485
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probably the most stupendous thing, earth shattering thing that you know,

486
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:22,480
changed my worldview to some of that years ago. And

487
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I do hope the administration and I think they will

488
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release that information. In a further drop, David, I.

489
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Speaker 18: Got to just jump in real quick there and give

490
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you a chance to talk about these crash site vehicles

491
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because you got the hair on my wrist standing up

492
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:40,440
just real quickly. I don't want to fill a us

493
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for Joey hair. But I'm very into this. Tell me

494
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about these crash sites that you've seen.

495
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Speaker 19: Personally, Yeah, a lot of them looked like what we saw.

496
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:50,599
Some of the reporting dropped on Friday. There was a

497
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,400
nineteen forty eight memo from the Chief Naval Operations that

498
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discussed the flying disc pandemic that they were having, and

499
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they were enlisting help of the Air Force Intelligence Service.

500
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A lot of it was lenticular discs, some was crescent

501
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,480
moon shapes. I call it the flat and sunfish. There's

502
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,679
a bunch of different morphologies that this government has recovered

503
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,480
from eggs, the discs, uh to to you know, crescent

504
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,599
moon boomerangu type vehicles, and and I got a small

505
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,800
smattering sample of that of of ones that have uh

506
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you know, landed or crashed on the surface of the earth.

507
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Speaker 5: Of that crap. So what do you think of those shapes?

508
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,159
Speaker 8: Crazy?

509
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,519
Speaker 5: Crazy, Michael, What do you think?

510
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:41,039
Speaker 10: Freaky?

511
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 5: Freaky, freaky, just freaky. Oh my goodness, let's see here,

512
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:54,000
clip eate no sound. This is the world's biggest hula hoop.

513
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,960
Do not try this at home. Do not make one

514
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:01,280
out of a trampoline or anything to try this. Go

515
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:10,039
ahead and play this. This is crazy. Oh god, could

516
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:14,519
you imagine getting nothing going around you? He does get

517
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:25,800
it going. Wow, it's amazing.

518
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 8: That's pretty wild.

519
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 5: I might leave a bruiser two.

520
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:32,639
Speaker 9: Damage.

521
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, internal kidney damage and don't do that at all. Okay, enough,

522
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,599
and then the end of that crap. And then speaking

523
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,239
of Mars, since we were talking about Mars, and you

524
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:51,000
guys want without me to Mars, let's blease. Yeah, next time,

525
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:57,199
please clip nine sounds. Okay, this is a Mars dust devil,

526
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,760
completely unverified. The stile and orders.

527
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,679
Speaker 6: It's a I.

528
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:17,559
Speaker 5: That could mean AI discover, although I do I do

529
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,280
know that. All right, that's enough, we'll get the idea.

530
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:27,800
So you're you're saying A on that one? Are you verify?

531
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Are you verifying that a I?

532
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 9: No?

533
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 5: Okay, uh, look is it clip? Yeah?

534
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 8: This is the last one.

535
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 5: Okay, So this phenomena is real? Is what this? She's

536
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:53,519
a senator, right, isn't that congresswoman? Congress woman? Yeah, well

537
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,000
it's Anna Luna.

538
00:36:56,519 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, she's really been out on on board of this

539
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:00,679
stuff's she has been.

540
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,519
Speaker 5: But listen to this little clip.

541
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: Do you know something that has not been released?

542
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,079
Speaker 8: Do you know things that you feel the American people

543
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:09,519
should know.

544
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 20: There will be an announcement soon on one other kind

545
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:18,280
of factor to all this, But it's nothing that I think.

546
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,400
It'll just be kind of give the assurance that people

547
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,280
will understand that the phenomena is real. But no, I mean,

548
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,280
for the most part, everything that we have been able

549
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,719
to discuss in a skiff we can now talk about publicly.

550
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,400
And what I will say is, without a doubt, the

551
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,280
phenomena is real.

552
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:37,199
Speaker 5: There you go. Interesting.

553
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 6: Who does she represent?

554
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 5: I don't know what state.

555
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 8: That sounds positive.

556
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 5: I'm pretty she's been kind of dogging the UFO mystery.

557
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,280
She's the one that kind of leaked out that she

558
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,639
had heard that all of the visitors are intered dimensional.

559
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:06,239
They're not from another planet, they're interdimensional. So we'll find out.

560
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:08,679
Speaker 6: I'm not sure what that means. What does that mean?

561
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, that means they're from a different dimension. They're

562
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,760
not necessarily from another planet, that they might be right

563
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,960
here just from a one dimension over. And of course

564
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,320
they're saying there could be up to eleven thousand or

565
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,280
more dimensions that we're living right next to. Unverified. Of course,

566
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,280
I can't verify that. I can't verify it but they

567
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:38,320
are doing quantum computing. Yes, they are doing formulas that

568
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,320
would normally take a billion years or more in under

569
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,079
three seconds. And they're claiming that they can do this

570
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,480
computing that fast because it's using all of these other

571
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:56,159
dimensions at the same time, giving them, you know, eleven

572
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,599
thousand times of computing power. Then so they're quant computers

573
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:04,119
are real. What do you know about quantum computers, Mike, I.

574
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,639
Speaker 6: Know nothing about nothing.

575
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:09,679
Speaker 5: Well, jeez, I don't know why your brother does.

576
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 10: I bet yeah you might. I think there are there

577
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:20,159
are companies that are supposedly doing quantum computing and that

578
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,400
type of thing, but it's unclear what they're really doing. Yeah,

579
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:27,119
it's true, and there's people paying them to do this

580
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,719
stuff because they have revenue.

581
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 6: Right, it's unclear what they're really doing.

582
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that answer plus five cents will get you five

583
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:44,360
cents maybe exactly. Okay, I think that's it. We're dealing

584
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,920
with their clips and let's do we have to take

585
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:49,800
just a really quick do you want to throw up

586
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,639
that postcard before we take a break?

587
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 8: Sure?

588
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:58,039
Speaker 5: Okay, So just to let everybody know, October tewod October third,

589
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:02,239
twenty twenty six, I will be speaking at the New

590
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,519
York Bigfoot Conference. And it's in It's at the Holiday

591
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:11,119
End in Johnstown, Gloverville. I guess it's a beautiful area

592
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:15,000
of the state of New York. Tickets are on sale now.

593
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:18,039
There's a barcode if you have a phone, you're not

594
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:20,320
watching the show on your phone, you can scan it

595
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,360
and check out the prices. And we'd love to meet you.

596
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,840
So I will be there, and I've got a great talk,

597
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,760
So I will not be there. No, you're gonna be

598
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,000
at the Minnesota one, aren't you?

599
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 8: Most likely I'm planning on being at the Minnesota one

600
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for sure.

601
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: At the same Darby or cut Ken Gearhart, Lauren Coleman, doctor,

602
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,800
doctor Maria Mayer will be there. I'll be there, Adam Davies,

603
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:56,840
Steve Coles, and so it should be a great All right,

604
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,280
let's if you have anything else? You have an do

605
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,800
you have another spot? You gotta play ye very sharp,

606
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,519
come back and we're going to bring Brian on quickly.

607
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608
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609
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Speaker 8: And we are back.

613
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Speaker 5: We are back quickly, and let me introduce Brian. And

614
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,960
by the way, we we also have Skippy Johnson back there,

615
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,199
and he's got some creepy stories to tell too. But

616
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,480
we might bring him on anytime. Maybe Brian will say, yeah,

617
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:12,320
I want to take a break for a few minutes,

618
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:18,079
and we'll bring on. Not Skippy anyhow. So Brian Terrell

619
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:26,039
is an Oklahoma based educator who teaches robotics in electronics automation. Hey,

620
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:28,079
we could have used him when we built the Bigfoot

621
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:29,239
robot couldn't win.

622
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,599
Speaker 8: You've done a job in me, Yeah, for sure.

623
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 5: Well it did did work good. Though it was good,

624
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:36,920
it was so creepy, Jeff. No one wanted to deploy

625
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:41,840
that bigfootout, including me. We were worried what would happen. Yeah,

626
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,360
it was scary, Actually it really was scary. But anyhow,

627
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,719
we could have used the fun project. So anyhow. He

628
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,599
combines a passion for technology with a lifelong interest in

629
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:58,599
the unexplained phenomena. He has been researching cryptids since nineteen

630
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:02,480
ninety six. He is the author of two books, Oklahoma

631
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:07,440
Cryptozoology one O one and Enter the dog Man The

632
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:13,679
Bipedal Canine Archetype. He has experienced several cryptid encounters that

633
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:20,239
further motivated his pursuit of objective, evidence based field investigation.

634
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,760
Oh I like that. Brian's research interest focus on practical

635
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:34,760
investigative methods whenever possible. His areas of interest include hare microscopy,

636
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:40,199
audio analysis, amateur wildlife tracking, and the study of foot

637
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:46,480
morphology proper evidence collection in documenting the pair normal aspects

638
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:52,039
of cryptid encounters. Brian is committed to contributing to a thoughtful,

639
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,480
evidence based understanding of the cryptid phenomena. And by god,

640
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,159
it is a phenomena. Were ending. A lot of people go,

641
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:04,840
you know, why do you guys waste your time on that? Well,

642
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,679
I tell people, because it's fueled every day by new sightings.

643
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,360
That's why we waste their time on it. It's not

644
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,840
a wasted time. Oh yeah, of course. And I know, Michael,

645
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,920
I know you're interested in the topic big time. Michael

646
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,079
is the man who was really responsible to finding the

647
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:31,760
publisher for legitimate science. So anybody who owns the legitimate

648
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,199
science you can thank the guy, right there at the

649
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,800
bottom of your screen, because probably without him it may

650
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,440
not have happened. Jeff wrote it, but Michael got it

651
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:45,920
sold to a big publisher, big traditional publisher in fact.

652
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:49,320
So thank you, Michael. I'm still still in debt for

653
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:49,760
you on that.

654
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,159
Speaker 6: And I was the first editor too.

655
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,519
Speaker 5: Yes, that's true. That's why there's so many mistakes in

656
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:56,920
the book.

657
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 6: I'm the second editor.

658
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,039
Speaker 5: Cut all the oh the second Okay, I got youa edie.

659
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,760
Let's bring on Brian Durell.

660
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:09,679
Speaker 6: Welcome, Brian. Hey, guys, Hey, thanks for having me on.

661
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,719
It's honored to be here.

662
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 5: Hey Brian, by the way, you got the best voice

663
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:20,119
in the entire world. Love. I think that means so well,

664
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:26,480
you're it's working. It's working good. So the first thing

665
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,559
I want to do is, you know, there's literally a

666
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,719
lot of sightings in Oklahoma period of like bigfoots. Why

667
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,360
do you think that it's Is it the environment? Is

668
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,440
it the amount of wildlife? I mean it's right in

669
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the middle of the US. Is it the weather? What

670
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,719
the heck goes on? Why is there so many cryptid

671
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,360
sightings in Oklahoma?

672
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Speaker 6: Well, I think that the first thing I'd have to

673
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,840
throw out there is is man. You know, there's a

674
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,920
the habitat is there. It's really good habitat. I read

675
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:08,039
somewhere that Oklahoma has more miles of shoreline than Florida

676
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does because of all of our lakes and rivers and everything,

677
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,480
and we've got, you know, a lot more woods than

678
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:19,039
what people think. A lot of times people hear Oklahoma

679
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,559
and they think, oh, it's the great American desert, you know,

680
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:24,519
and some of us were taught that whenever we were

681
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:29,320
in kids in school. And that's really only the case

682
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in far northwestern Oklahoma right anywhere else. You know, every

683
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,639
time you've got a river, you've got a major forest,

684
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you know, woodland area that's surrounding that river, which is

685
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basically like a super highway for these things.

686
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Speaker 5: Is the human population lower in Oklahoma than a lot

687
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of other states?

688
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Speaker 6: To think, well, I would say yes, but it's kind

689
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,000
of hit and miss. Like you get into your Oklahoma

690
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:03,960
City metro area Tulsa. Yeah, there's a huge dense population there,

691
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but you get outside of that and it really starts

692
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to dwindle. So when you when you really compare how

693
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:14,599
what our population is compared to you know, like how

694
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,639
many bigfoot and set dog man, reports are coming out

695
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:22,199
of the state. That's actually pretty impressive. I've always considered

696
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,559
Oklahoma to be like, you know, you know, just a

697
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:30,239
really unknown resource for cryptid activity, you know, because there's

698
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,519
just there's it seems like there's so much going on.

699
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,280
And as you guys know, man, you've got to have

700
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,559
a human in the first place to have have a report,

701
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,599
you know, and without So you know, you take the

702
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,000
number of reports and you kind of like factor them

703
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:50,480
in with the population density of the area, and that

704
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:53,360
kind of gives you a little bit better idea of

705
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,159
what you're looking at. And we don't we don't have

706
00:47:56,679 --> 00:48:01,360
huge populations of people in Oklahoma. We're not We're not

707
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:02,440
like California.

708
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:08,159
Speaker 5: So right, and it's I've not done a lot. I've

709
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:14,440
gone through Oklahoma a few times. But is it a

710
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:18,960
lot of hills, valleys and hills or is it pretty

711
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,000
much all flat? Can you describe the elevations?

712
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 6: Well, so it's almost like you could take Oklahoma and

713
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:27,880
you can cut it in four pieces.

714
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:28,159
Speaker 7: You know.

715
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 6: Then the far northwest corner that's where I live. You know,

716
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:38,039
it's more open fields and some prairies, a lot of

717
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:41,679
wheatland and stuff like that. A lot of crops are

718
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,559
grown out there, and that provides a lot of good

719
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:50,960
food sources, you know. But if you go to southwest Oklahoma,

720
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:56,719
which has a really large bigfoot and dog man population,

721
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,400
you know, that's completely different topography. I mean, it's real

722
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:04,960
rocky and and it's it's kind of like some really

723
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:08,920
old mountains down through there, and it's it looks I mean,

724
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,079
it looks like an old John Wayne movie, you know,

725
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,360
and you think that the Indians are gonna come out

726
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,000
of the woodwork and ambush or something, you know, just

727
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:23,159
judging by the terrain and everything. And but if you

728
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,440
go up into the northeast, it's a little bit flatter,

729
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,320
but yet heavily heavily forested. And then you go down

730
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,960
to the southeastern corner of the state, of course you've

731
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,519
got those little short mountains and you've got all kinds

732
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:43,880
of rock formations and heavily wooded as well. So it's

733
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:47,960
it's very different. We've even got small deserts in northwest Oklahoma.

734
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 5: So no, that is where Area X is located, as

735
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,239
I remember, Oklahoma.

736
00:49:54,239 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 6: Southeast southeast southeast Oklahoma. Have you been there before, Uh, yeah,

737
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:07,679
oh you have, yeah, yeah, just recently actually.

738
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 5: So, oh, is that anything you can even talk about

739
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:11,480
or should we avoid that?

740
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:17,679
Speaker 6: I think we're already talking about it. Yeah, I wasn't

741
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:20,440
planning on talking about it, but yeah, we we've been

742
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:26,159
down there before. We plan on going back. It's it's

743
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,599
a it's great habitat. You know, there's a cucumber Creek

744
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:35,480
flows right through the valley and it's really good clean water,

745
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,280
weird fauna down in there, and uh, there's just something

746
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,840
about the way that you get down inside there. The

747
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,119
last time we were there, there was a big storm

748
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:52,000
that kind of came through, and even though it was

749
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:55,920
like really windy and everything, it wasn't that bad down

750
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,320
in the valley. But we had to when we came out,

751
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:04,719
which it is it is exceptionally difficult to get in

752
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,239
and out of, to the point where I'm contemplating buying

753
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:12,360
a Jeep Gladiator for my next rig.

754
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 5: Really, so it's tough to get into.

755
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but we we had to. We had to

756
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,480
cut up and move I think somewhere around eleven or

757
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:26,360
twelve trees that had blown over the road and we

758
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,360
had to go in and one of them was substantial.

759
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:32,039
It took us probably thirty minutes to buck it up

760
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:35,280
and wow, get yeah, to get get past it. So

761
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:36,360
it was impressive.

762
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 5: Are you sure they're blowdowns and pushdowns? Well it was.

763
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,039
Speaker 6: It was howling pretty good winds. So I'm going to

764
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,440
give mother Nature the nod on that one.

765
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:51,639
Speaker 5: Gosh. And so the first thing he went out there,

766
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,280
we'll switch this. I don't want to get you know,

767
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,039
because I know they want to keep that area of pristine.

768
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:03,400
But did you find the area impress of the first

769
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,119
time we were there?

770
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 11: Like?

771
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 6: Wow, yeah, everything, it checked all the boxes. It's remote

772
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,400
and it's isolated and uh, you know it just it

773
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,880
does check all the boxes. To be honest with you,

774
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:20,239
I haven't even reviewed my audio from the place whenever

775
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,159
we were down there last. I need to get off

776
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:25,920
my butt and do that. But if you've ever reviewed audio,

777
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:33,400
it's tedious. So but anyway, No, it's it checks all

778
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,079
the boxes. It's just really difficult to get in and

779
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:42,880
out of. But it's it's not the only right, yeah, exactly,

780
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:45,079
there's there's a lot of hot spots. O.

781
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 5: Well, okay, we have so many things to talk to

782
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:53,079
you with about, Brian, but you know, everybody else starts.

783
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,320
How did you get interested in you know and get

784
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,079
into this, and I don't even know if if you

785
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,639
want to waste time on that, but I know you've

786
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,800
had some sightings. Was it a sighting first of encryptied

787
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,400
and then you got interested or were you interested anyhow.

788
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:16,119
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I basically kind of got interested because

789
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:18,239
of some weird stuff that happened to me when I

790
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,760
was a kid, but I didn't quite figure out what

791
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,000
it was at the time. And then you know, later on,

792
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,639
just like a lot of people, you know, I watched

793
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,679
the Legend of Boggy Creek, and when I watched that,

794
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,559
you know, it kind of clicked. A lot of things clicked,

795
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:40,639
you know, and make a long story short, I started

796
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:45,199
looking for these creatures fairly actively in ninety six when

797
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,440
I bumbled into my first case file, really and you know,

798
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:52,639
ever since then, you know, I've kind of had my

799
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,880
eyes to the ground. But for a long I didn't

800
00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:01,320
start networking and playing nicely with others until like twenty seventeen,

801
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:06,599
whenever I started red dirrit cryptids. But you know, my

802
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,400
first actual encounter with so it was probably two thousand

803
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,199
and three and I saw something while I was driving

804
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,800
home at night, and it was kind of like a

805
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,400
pterodactyl type creature, and that was just kind of a

806
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:28,920
very fleeting thing, and it was it was kind of

807
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,920
tough to identify, you know, the first time I.

808
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 5: Saw it, and then well, what did you see?

809
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,599
Speaker 6: Well, I was driving a service van, you know, and

810
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,039
i'd been out working at a cell phone tower out

811
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:46,800
in the panhandle of northwestern Oklahoma, and I was coming home.

812
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,400
It was like one o'clock in the morning, and this

813
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:56,360
flash of that looked like a giant batwing basically flew

814
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:58,960
right in front of my van. Honestly, I was surprised.

815
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,480
I didn't I didn't hit it, but it was so

816
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:08,000
big that, you know, it completely blocked out my whole windshield.

817
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:10,519
You know, I couldn't see anything for half a second

818
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:11,920
when this thing flip by.

819
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 5: So you saw it like giant bat like leathery type.

820
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. But the weird thing was that it happened

821
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,760
so fast and it was so fat. I kind of

822
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,000
convinced myself that it had to have been like a

823
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,119
brown tarp or something.

824
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, I've gotta I gotta talk to you more

825
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,639
about this, only because I also had something It swooped

826
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:36,960
at the car. At mean event, we're in we were

827
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:40,480
driving back from those lake. In fact, Lawn talked about

828
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:45,039
it on a show uh Friday, I think Strickler did.

829
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,840
But it happened very quick, dropped out of the sky.

830
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:52,800
It's just came in our windshields so fast, and we

831
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,280
saw it, berylin towards our windshield. But when it got close, Brian,

832
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:02,400
I mean it's wings where it's white, which is the freeway. Now,

833
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,320
so you say terodactyl was it? Is it possible it

834
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,320
was some other kind of creature besides the pterodactyl with

835
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,320
bat wings on it, giant bat wings.

836
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 6: Well that was That was two thousand and three. You know,

837
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,559
I had no frame of reference for what I was

838
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:19,079
looking at.

839
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 5: And then the headlights did it like yeah, yeah, it.

840
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 6: Was in the headlights. It was. It was real close,

841
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,000
and you know I basically saw one wing and whatever

842
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:33,400
it was. I mean, if I had to guess based

843
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:38,320
on this very brief encounter, I would say that this

844
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,960
thing probably had a I don't know, somewhere between a

845
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,159
twelve and twenty foot wingspan something like that.

846
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, okay. But the reason I bring it up,

847
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:50,559
I just wonder if you didn't see the same thing

848
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:51,119
we saw.

849
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:57,039
Speaker 6: No, this was in northwest Oklahoma. But something something, a

850
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:58,719
creature like that could get around.

851
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, obviously there could be many. They're they're having

852
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,639
a lot of sightings, believe it or not, in Chicago. Now.

853
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,000
That's been going on for years. I don't know if

854
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,800
you're aware of that. Yeah, I've been kind of following that.

855
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,760
I don't know what to make of that. I don't either.

856
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:18,480
It just sounds too crazy, right, It just sounds too

857
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:21,159
crazy kind of does but a giant bat with twenty

858
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:23,079
foot wingspan sounds crazy enough?

859
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, whether the story is actually not over. So I

860
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,199
literally kind of mentally dismissed it. I told myself, it's

861
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,360
like it had to have been like a brown tarp

862
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:38,360
or something that was was blowing across the road at

863
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:38,719
the time.

864
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:39,559
Speaker 5: Jeez.

865
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,599
Speaker 6: But anyway, I like two years later, I was driving

866
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:49,599
down the exact same stretch of highway. Basically it was

867
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,239
like three o'clock in the morning. This time I was

868
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,760
doing the same thing, working on cell phone towers, and

869
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:59,519
this time I saw another one, but this one was smaller,

870
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:02,719
and I would say this thing probably had an eight

871
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,480
foot wingspan, and it was further in front of my

872
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:08,639
van and I got a pretty good look at it,

873
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,800
and it basically, you know how like you see pictures

874
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,719
of bats and you know, how they're reaching out in

875
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,000
front of them and then they do That's that's what

876
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:24,039
I saw. And it was definitely flapping its wings. And

877
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,119
I was totally minded blown by that, and I didn't

878
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:31,679
know what to make of it. I got on the

879
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,440
internet at the time, but I wasn't very I didn't,

880
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:37,960
you know, I just kind of looked it up. Giant

881
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:41,000
bats is what I was googling things like giant bats,

882
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:44,000
you know, and I saw some of those images of

883
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:46,840
those bats from South America and stuff like that. But

884
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:51,119
kind of led me nowhere, you know, Yeah, and you know,

885
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:53,159
it dawned on me, is like, man, I'm like one

886
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:57,280
of twelve service guys that go out here, and you know,

887
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,719
we do work in this area all the time. I thought, maybe,

888
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,719
well I've seen this thing twice now, maybe one of

889
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:04,840
the other guys in the opoles.

890
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 5: How close did they both come to your car?

891
00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:12,119
Speaker 6: Well, the first one I almost hit it. It was

892
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:15,239
it was so close that you know, I could only

893
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,199
see like that wing thing, you know. But the second one,

894
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,400
I would say, I don't know, it's probably forty to

895
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,719
fifty feet in front of my vehicle.

896
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 5: Okay, but don't you find it a little weird that

897
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,760
that me also was right in front of the windshield,

898
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:35,280
and you've had two sightings like that in front of

899
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,760
your In other words, it's as if they're attacking the

900
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:42,400
car or trying to scare the occupant. They are trying

901
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:43,960
to be seen for sure.

902
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,039
Speaker 6: Knowing themselves out. That thought crossed my mind. But you know,

903
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:51,519
if this thing and I've taken a lot of reports

904
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:57,760
from these creatures from Oklahoma and make a long story short,

905
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,119
most of the sightings, like of the sightings are either

906
01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:06,360
at night or at dusk, you know, so they're there.

907
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,320
If they're primarily nocturnal, that's the only kind of sighting

908
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,440
you're going to get from them.

909
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,719
Speaker 5: Gosh, yeah, ours was the two in the morning.

910
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:17,079
Speaker 6: Let me see.

911
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:19,159
Speaker 5: It was like, yeah, it was in the middle of

912
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:22,039
the night and during a full moon, and it got

913
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:23,880
to the point where, I mean it was lit up

914
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:24,800
by my head lights.

915
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,679
Speaker 6: That was me and I'm not even sure about the

916
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,239
I mean it was either it appeared to be kind

917
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:37,119
of a brownish color, both of them did. But I

918
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,880
can't help you know how sometimes those Haligen headlights and stuff,

919
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:43,920
they'll mess with the coloring of things that you see.

920
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,039
I'm not one hundred percent positive that it was brown,

921
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:50,960
but the first one that I saw, I'm fairly confident,

922
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:55,159
was considerably larger than the second one. And that kind

923
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:57,920
of disturbed me because I was like, well, that means

924
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,239
there's a breeding population.

925
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,519
Speaker 5: Well, LN calls them. I love the name. I don't

926
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:08,320
know what it means really, but he calls them ultra terrestrials,

927
01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:14,320
meaning he believes they're coming from like another dimension or something.

928
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,159
You know, it's just not it's not a creature living

929
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:21,280
in the woods eaton deer, you know. It's it's it's

930
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,679
like a time thing or there, some kind of an

931
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,840
alien type creature that likes to come into our time

932
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:34,679
zone and hunt people sort of or scare them. And

933
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,679
Lon eventually, I mean, Lan had a sighting when he

934
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,239
was a kid or young guy, and that's that's why

935
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,519
he got interested in it. A lot of people don't

936
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:49,920
report them flapping their wings. They just report them, you know, gliding,

937
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:53,480
and the one we saw never flapped its wings. In fact,

938
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:56,960
when it drops straight down from the sky from maybe

939
01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:00,440
two to three thousand feet up, it drops right down

940
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:05,159
with its wings open, which makes zero sense, right, Yeah,

941
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,119
and then came right towards it just kept coming towards

942
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:11,440
the winchields. So we're just coming towards each other, you know,

943
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,440
one hundred and forty miles an hour.

944
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:17,519
Speaker 6: Now, it's kind of nuts.

945
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 5: I don't know. We'll have to talk to me about well,

946
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,760
have to talk off offline about that a little bit more.

947
01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got several reports.

948
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's it's it's interesting. I don't know how

949
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,320
interesting people are in that, but I can tell you

950
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,480
what I saw was real. We both saw it. I

951
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:35,719
don't know where to file it. I don't know where

952
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,880
to categorize it. I just put it in the gray basket, right, Yeah.

953
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,519
Speaker 6: That's all you can do is start a massive data

954
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:45,280
and just hope that it leads you somewhere tangible.

955
01:02:45,639 --> 01:02:49,559
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, and so it is fascinating though that we

956
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:54,039
live in a crazy world anyhow. Okay, so you saw that,

957
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,800
that's life change. That alone is actually life changing.

958
01:02:58,719 --> 01:02:59,719
Speaker 6: You know, it's pretty weird.

959
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was.

960
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 6: It was pretty weird.

961
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:05,079
Speaker 5: I can tell you're, like, I can just the way

962
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,800
the look on your face, Matt, that or Brian that

963
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,800
it's kind of taking you back mentally. Yeah, I mean

964
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,840
I can tell I give him that same kind of

965
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,920
a I get a little glazed over because I'm just like, God,

966
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,599
did that really happen? Yeah? It did.

967
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 6: So okay's a lot of weird things out there other

968
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:31,119
than just bigfoot. So yeah, yeah, there's there's there was

969
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:35,639
that incident, and you know, that was that was what

970
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,480
first made me clam up because I made the mistake

971
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:43,079
of talking to the guys at were because you know,

972
01:03:43,239 --> 01:03:45,920
and so they started calling me Batman for a while.

973
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:49,760
So that's kind of why for many years I kind

974
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,360
of kept my interest, you know, underground.

975
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:53,239
Speaker 5: That hurts.

976
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, especially when you know, you think they're your friends.

977
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 5: But you didn't wake up one day and see, you

978
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,360
know what, I think, I really want to see a

979
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,280
wing giant creature flying front of my windshielder.

980
01:04:08,039 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 6: No, that was that was not part of the plan,

981
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:11,199
that's for sure.

982
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:11,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

983
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, but now we and then later I think it

984
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,440
was like two thousand, it was two thousand and seven,

985
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:22,920
you know, I had a dog man encounter whenever I

986
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:26,079
was driving out to one of our family farms. And

987
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,400
this was during the middle of the day, and I

988
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:32,079
had no idea what I was what I was looking

989
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:35,280
at with this thing at the time. You know, I

990
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,800
just thought I was looking at a some kind of

991
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:43,679
wolf hybrid dog with with gigantism or something, you know,

992
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:47,400
and I just kind of put that in a box

993
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:51,280
and I thought to myself, it's like, man, that thing's

994
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,840
not going to live very long because some ranchers going

995
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,039
to put a thirty six round to it's ass and

996
01:04:56,599 --> 01:05:00,199
that'll be the end of that. And but you know,

997
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:04,559
fast forward a couple more years, you know, and well

998
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:05,800
you no.

999
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 5: No, no, Brian, let's pack the truck up to that one.

1000
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:11,559
Speaker 1: Well it was big.

1001
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 6: I know, I would say that just judging by you know,

1002
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,920
cattle weights and stuff like that, I'd say it was

1003
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,719
probably five hundred pounds.

1004
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:24,119
Speaker 14: It was.

1005
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,559
Speaker 6: It was massive. It was a massive dog man, Yeah,

1006
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:30,760
on two legs, legs he was on four legs. If

1007
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,360
if he would have stood up and start walking around

1008
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,440
and by pealely, I probably would have crapped my pants.

1009
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:39,800
I mean, I you know, it was weird enough seeing

1010
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:45,920
a canine that large, but he was unusually proportioned at

1011
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,880
the time, and I remember thinking that he was odd,

1012
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:53,800
especially as he was running away. He looked a little funny,

1013
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:59,159
you know, because his rear haunches were lower than his

1014
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,880
front legs, like I you know, look kind of had

1015
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:04,679
a hyena look.

1016
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 5: That's what some people describe him when they're on all for.

1017
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:11,119
Speaker 6: Well, he to me ran funny, you know. It's kind

1018
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,000
of ran with his butt down towards the ground, is

1019
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,239
what it looked like whenever I first saw it. And uh,

1020
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:20,079
but I've seen, you know, German short hair pointer bird

1021
01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:22,679
dogs do that, and so I didn't think a whole

1022
01:06:22,719 --> 01:06:24,400
lot of it at the time. I just thought, oh,

1023
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,400
that's funny, it runs like a German short hair you know,

1024
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,599
because I've seen some some bird dogs that they'll kind

1025
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:31,960
of lower their butt whenever they're really kicking it into

1026
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:35,920
high gear. And but yeah, that was that was really weird.

1027
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,519
Other than that, it kind of looked like a really

1028
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:43,840
broad chested black bird wolf. And the head, you know,

1029
01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:47,400
just kind of looked kind of like a cross between

1030
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,840
a German shepherd and a wolf. And it was it

1031
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,280
was solid black. I never got to I never got

1032
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,400
to look at the hands or anything like that.

1033
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,639
Speaker 5: I mean, did it did you see like muscles like

1034
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,480
in the front legs or arms.

1035
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:07,159
Speaker 6: I guess yeah. It kind of reminded me of like

1036
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:10,360
some of those pictures you see of pit bulls that

1037
01:07:10,519 --> 01:07:13,519
kind of have the muscled up chest, except it was

1038
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:18,400
a lot shaggyar for a lot shag ear for But

1039
01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:21,920
like I said, I at the time, I just assumed

1040
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,239
that it was some kind of, you know, weird animal

1041
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,320
that was a freak of nature or something, you know,

1042
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,079
And so I didn't know what to make of it

1043
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:34,800
at the time. I had no idea there was a

1044
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,159
name for it or anything. It wasn't until many years

1045
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:41,440
later when I was listening to Sasquatch Chronicles or something

1046
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:45,000
like that a podcast, and they were talking about this

1047
01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:47,800
dog man thing and I kept hearing them talking about it,

1048
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:52,320
and I was picturing this this centaur like thing with

1049
01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:54,960
the body of a dog and the head of a man,

1050
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:57,239
and I was like, that's the most pass nine thing

1051
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,320
I ever heard of. And finally they kept talking about it,

1052
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,760
so I did like a google at search time. I

1053
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,960
was like, oh my god, you know, I think I've

1054
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,960
seen this, and and that was that was a moment,

1055
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:11,960
if you know what I mean.

1056
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 9: It was.

1057
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 6: It's kind of shocking, really.

1058
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,239
Speaker 5: How tall would you say the back of it was,

1059
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,000
or at the tallest part, maybe the top of the

1060
01:08:21,079 --> 01:08:22,319
year or the top he was.

1061
01:08:23,079 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 6: I would say, you know, if he could probably if

1062
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,239
I was standing around, I'm six to one, and I

1063
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:32,560
would say he was probably sitting down, he could probably

1064
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,560
almost look me in the eye. I'm probably a little

1065
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:39,439
bit taller than he was. But still, you're talking about

1066
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,439
a massive, massive animal.

1067
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, people don't realize when you when you say massive animal,

1068
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,920
would you compare it to like a grizzly bear type

1069
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,119
bulk or height.

1070
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:58,359
Speaker 6: Or well I've never seen a grizzly but I have

1071
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,079
been around black bears, and this thing would dwarf black bears,

1072
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:07,520
but black bears are not very big. Yeah, but yeah,

1073
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,199
this this thing was about the size of a you know,

1074
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:11,600
a younger cow.

1075
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 5: And now, how do you know I guess the biggest

1076
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,800
question that people might be thinking that are thinking this

1077
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,000
is all bull How would you know if you didn't

1078
01:09:22,039 --> 01:09:24,560
if it was just a regular wolf that you've seen,

1079
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,840
you know, a timber wolf, because they are pretty tall.

1080
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,239
Speaker 6: Well, I could see where at a distance a fella

1081
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:37,279
could you know, confuse this, but this thing was only

1082
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:40,760
about sixty five yards from my truck. Okay, and it

1083
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,159
was it was real close, and that was you know,

1084
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:47,039
when I first saw it, my first thought was this man,

1085
01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:49,760
that's a big old dog. And then it just it

1086
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,560
kind of hit me as like, no, that's not just

1087
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,399
a big dog. That is the biggest dog that ever lived.

1088
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,520
And as I turned around to look back at him again,

1089
01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:03,760
he was running away and he was fast. It was like,

1090
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,760
really really fast, he's moving on.

1091
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,399
Speaker 5: Can you throw a mild prower on that?

1092
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 6: Maybe I don't know he was. I was, you know,

1093
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,920
I was driving down a dirt road, probably doing twenty

1094
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,399
five thirty five mile an hour, and he was angling

1095
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,239
away from me at an angle. So it's kind of

1096
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,079
kind of tough for me to say, but it was

1097
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,880
definitely you could tell he was capable of high levels

1098
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:31,359
of speed.

1099
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:37,319
Speaker 5: Wow, so super interesting, super interesting. Okay, so you were

1100
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,920
you were on your way to a different area, So

1101
01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:44,000
continue on, brain, what's next in your life?

1102
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 6: Well, there was later on, and I think this was

1103
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,039
probably two or three years later, I ran into what

1104
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:56,760
I think was a much smaller I guess you would

1105
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,199
call it like a hyena type dog man, but it

1106
01:11:00,319 --> 01:11:04,560
was still a pretty pretty large, large dog. And the

1107
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,039
only thing that was really super duper unusual about it

1108
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:11,319
was its head and it was just a really goofy

1109
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:17,760
looking bare dog hybrid looking thing, and it had like

1110
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,880
this short, abbreviated muzzle.

1111
01:11:20,199 --> 01:11:20,359
Speaker 5: You know.

1112
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:23,239
Speaker 6: It didn't look anything other than the fact that it

1113
01:11:23,359 --> 01:11:24,079
was jet black.

1114
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:24,319
Speaker 9: Too.

1115
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,279
Speaker 6: It didn't look anything like the other one that i'd seen.

1116
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,399
This one was much smaller. It was probably thirty percent

1117
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,079
larger than a I don't know, like a big black

1118
01:11:36,199 --> 01:11:41,079
lab or something. And but yeah, it was. It wasn't

1119
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,960
so unusually large that it shocked me or anything. It

1120
01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:47,239
is just I mean, I could see a domestic dog

1121
01:11:47,359 --> 01:11:51,520
getting this big, but it was it was the weird

1122
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,880
body that he had. He had an elongated kind of body,

1123
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,880
and he had that weird face and muzzle, and his

1124
01:11:59,039 --> 01:12:02,960
ears weren't plenty. They were kind of rounded, you know,

1125
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,840
And I guess that's kind of common with hyena tie

1126
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,800
but I think it's I still think it's kind of

1127
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:15,760
unusual to see a black bird hyena tide. But apparently

1128
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,359
that's what I saw. And I didn't know what I

1129
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:19,760
was looking at there, but I got to get a

1130
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,039
pretty good look at it. That was a daytime encounter too.

1131
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 5: Now, Jeff you just saw a timberwolf, didn't you.

1132
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,279
Speaker 8: Like a week ago, I did broad daylight running across

1133
01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:32,319
the highway New Virginia, Minnesota, which I've never seen one

1134
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,720
in daylight like that, And it was running full tilt

1135
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,720
from the woods on one side of the highway to

1136
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,439
the woods on the other side of the highway. I mean,

1137
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,840
it was moving and it was massive. At first, I

1138
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,399
wasn't sure if it was a dog or a coyote.

1139
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,399
But when I got close, when we got closer up

1140
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:52,760
to it, it was clear that it was a wolt.

1141
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,479
It was big, and I've never seen one in the

1142
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,079
daylight before, and man, it was moving. Holy smokes.

1143
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 5: And you don't have excuse me, you don't have timberwolves braying.

1144
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:07,359
Speaker 6: And okay, no, no, we we just recently got some

1145
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:12,520
black bears, so yeah, no, we don't. I have seen

1146
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,319
some timber wolves. I used to do some work at

1147
01:13:16,399 --> 01:13:23,319
a exotic animal park that that they You know, the

1148
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:25,399
one thing that always kind of got me about real

1149
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,600
wolves is they're kind of skinny, yeah, you know, and

1150
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,439
neither one of these animals were, you know, they were

1151
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:39,159
they were husky, they were big, muscular, Yeah, impressive animals.

1152
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,279
Speaker 5: I mean that's what everybody, all the witnesses say. These

1153
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,279
dogmen are really muscular.

1154
01:13:45,319 --> 01:13:48,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, thank goodness, I didn't see either one of

1155
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,680
them stand up and walk around on their hind legs,

1156
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,159
because you know, I think that when people encounter stuff

1157
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:56,920
like that, it messes with their head pretty good. You know.

1158
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,680
I always tell people I got eased into the whole

1159
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,239
dog man phenomenon, not as gently as you can possibly

1160
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,399
get eased into it. So I'm pretty grateful for that.

1161
01:14:08,119 --> 01:14:08,319
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1162
01:14:10,079 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 5: Well, these dogman sightings, I don't know what they are,

1163
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,119
but they are fueled literally every week again by many

1164
01:14:17,239 --> 01:14:23,840
many sightings. They don't necessarily fit the mold of any

1165
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:28,199
biological creature. Was the area where you saw them? Was

1166
01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:32,479
it near any agriculture or streams, or was there you know,

1167
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,039
what was the geography?

1168
01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 6: Like Brian, both of these, the big one that I saw,

1169
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,399
he was in a watching over this dry creek bed

1170
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,399
and he was kind of doing what you'll see a

1171
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,439
lot of coyotes do. They'll go up on a high

1172
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,039
point and they'll sit up there and they'll just kind

1173
01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:54,399
of watch and they'll look for, you know, pray animals

1174
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,239
and stuff to be moving around. Pretty sure, that's what

1175
01:14:57,399 --> 01:15:01,880
he was doing. But that creek that kind of flows

1176
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:06,079
through there, It only really flows whenever there's a big

1177
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:08,399
rain or something. It's kind of what we here in

1178
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,119
Oklahoma will call it a war wash. But there is

1179
01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:16,880
a pond immediately downstream across the road from there, and

1180
01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:19,520
then that pond runs into a bigger creek. So yes,

1181
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,359
there was a water source immediately present right there. And

1182
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:28,279
the other one was further up into northwestern Oklahoma, and

1183
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:32,840
it was on a dry creek line and there was

1184
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,640
a bunch of trees there. Now, since then, somebody's gone

1185
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,079
in there and taken all the trees out and agriculture

1186
01:15:39,079 --> 01:15:43,960
did up, you know, But there was a dry creek

1187
01:15:44,039 --> 01:15:45,800
bed there, and as a matter of fact, I saw

1188
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,359
him as I was pulling up, and there was a

1189
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:51,880
bridge there. So yeah, both of them, one of them

1190
01:15:52,079 --> 01:15:55,079
had more water present than the other one, but you know,

1191
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:58,840
you're never The second one that I saw was probably

1192
01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:03,239
three or four miles from the Cimarron River. So but yes,

1193
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,399
not always are they the dog men reported near water.

1194
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:14,279
I've got like eighty case files of dog man encounters

1195
01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:18,000
in Oklahoma, and some of them are just out in

1196
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:20,840
the middle of the open plains with no water sources

1197
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,600
around anywhere, So I don't think that dog men are

1198
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:31,439
as bound to water sources like the like the sasquatch.

1199
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, those sightings generally never happened under five hundred

1200
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,600
yards from water from a water source.

1201
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 6: I agree, it's or less.

1202
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:46,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, most of them happened far less than that. And

1203
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,840
dogmen sightings, I've always been looking like, what's the pattern?

1204
01:16:51,159 --> 01:16:55,520
You know a lot of times near corn fields, which

1205
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,159
is fascinating. Well, what the hell does corn have to

1206
01:16:59,239 --> 01:17:00,960
do with it? To the eat the corn? Or are

1207
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,960
they looking for deer that are eating the corn? What's

1208
01:17:04,079 --> 01:17:07,880
the deal? What's their prey? I would assume they eat meat.

1209
01:17:09,079 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Well, and they could be you know, they

1210
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,720
could be omnivoroues where they take part of just about everything.

1211
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,680
But we really don't know. I don't personally have any

1212
01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:24,920
reports of them eating anything other than meat. Yeah, but

1213
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,359
I'm not going to say it's not possible. I know,

1214
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:33,279
canines will eat you know, fruits, vegetables, roots, tubers, stuff

1215
01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:37,119
like that. Don't They'll eat a variety of different types

1216
01:17:37,159 --> 01:17:41,159
of you know, plant on a matter, you know, it

1217
01:17:41,359 --> 01:17:43,560
just it depends on where they're at. And what they're doing.

1218
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:48,760
I don't know about the corn thing that you're right,

1219
01:17:50,319 --> 01:17:52,800
but I think a lot of times what you're looking

1220
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,399
at is is a transitional area between deep woods and

1221
01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:01,680
then these crops and agriculture. Yeah, and that seems to

1222
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,359
be a hot spot a lot of animals, predatory animals,

1223
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:09,239
they hunt those those areas that are like transition areas.

1224
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,239
So I know that's where I used to like to

1225
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:13,800
hunt whenever I was hunting deer.

1226
01:18:14,079 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 8: So, Brian, it seems like most of the accounts that

1227
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:21,000
I've seen or heard of the dog man is really

1228
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:26,680
menacing or aggressive or not a very friendly encounter. Are

1229
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,119
you aware of any stories where that are kind of

1230
01:18:29,399 --> 01:18:32,239
friendly or peaceful? Are they all pretty much terrifying?

1231
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:38,239
Speaker 6: Well, I think it just if you're there and you're

1232
01:18:38,319 --> 01:18:42,800
on foot, I'm sure it's going to be terrifying. You know.

1233
01:18:43,119 --> 01:18:46,479
I don't think that. I think if if you're on

1234
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,600
foot and you're away from your vehicle and one of

1235
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,560
these things, once you're dead, you're dead.

1236
01:18:52,199 --> 01:18:52,399
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1237
01:18:53,079 --> 01:18:56,119
Speaker 6: I don't think that they're out to get us. I

1238
01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:59,960
think that they probably view us like we view a snake,

1239
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,239
you know. Yeah, I could probably stomp that snake to death.

1240
01:19:05,079 --> 01:19:08,319
But I'm going to pay the price in the long run,

1241
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:12,319
you know, because that's why we don't mess with snakes.

1242
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:13,199
Speaker 14: And uh.

1243
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 6: But long story, yeah, I think they just avoid us.

1244
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,159
I don't think they mean us any harm. I think

1245
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:24,039
they appear menacing. And I think that, you know, there's

1246
01:19:24,079 --> 01:19:28,039
something about humans and wolves and and how we've had

1247
01:19:28,119 --> 01:19:33,640
such a you know, a long term adversarial you know,

1248
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,439
situation with these things going back generations and generations there.

1249
01:19:39,119 --> 01:19:43,199
You know, we've basically hunted wolves to extinction, you know.

1250
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,720
And uh, and so I think there's there's kind of

1251
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,399
a you know in you know, there's just something inside

1252
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,039
us that goes back multi generations that we're supposed to

1253
01:19:54,119 --> 01:19:57,760
fear these creatures. You know. It's just kind of it's

1254
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:02,800
just kind of it's hard to interpret what is truly

1255
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:09,039
aggressive behavior and what is just what is just there

1256
01:20:09,279 --> 01:20:12,439
them being them or postiltry to make us leave here.

1257
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,039
Speaker 5: Do you think there's any possibility, Brian, that they get

1258
01:20:17,159 --> 01:20:21,520
off on scaring us though they they get some kind

1259
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,479
of thrill from it, because it just seems like most

1260
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,239
witnesses walk away quite shaken up.

1261
01:20:30,119 --> 01:20:34,319
Speaker 6: Well, there's the smile phenomenon. They like to they like to.

1262
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:39,159
You get a lot of reports of them presenting themselves

1263
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:46,399
to an eyewitness and they smile, you know, and I

1264
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,479
think it's it's creepy.

1265
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:49,560
Speaker 5: That's creepy.

1266
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:54,039
Speaker 6: But if you're talking about something that's intentionally presenting itself

1267
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:59,920
and it derives some type of pleasure from uh frightening

1268
01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:03,359
us or whatever, I mean, think about what you're what

1269
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,640
you're theorizing there. You're talking about a super high level

1270
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:13,960
of intelligence for it to uh to to get its kicks.

1271
01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:16,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you're almost thinking on some kind of like

1272
01:21:16,399 --> 01:21:22,399
an energy vampire kind of thing. Once again, all my

1273
01:21:23,039 --> 01:21:26,359
theories are just diarrhea theories, you know, I just thrown

1274
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:26,960
it out there.

1275
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 6: Well, you know, but the theories whenever they get reports

1276
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,920
that over and over and over again from people, you know,

1277
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:37,920
saying the exact same thing, and they don't you know,

1278
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,560
you gotta you got to pay attention to that.

1279
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 9: You know.

1280
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,279
Speaker 6: It's like a lot of people they say that dog men,

1281
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,079
you know, it was evil. You'll hear them say it

1282
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:49,520
or is demonic, and I hear that same thing. I

1283
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:53,079
have the surfaces over and over and over again, to

1284
01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:58,199
the point where you can't just dismiss that anymore. It's

1285
01:21:58,359 --> 01:22:01,199
it's become like a whole you know.

1286
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's kind of where I was getting at, because

1287
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,279
there are definitely sasquatch sightings where they're not particularly threatening

1288
01:22:09,399 --> 01:22:11,760
or sometimes even seem friendly. I'm not aware of any

1289
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:17,600
stories about dog Man where there's any kind of friendly.

1290
01:22:19,079 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 5: Encounter.

1291
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 8: It's always seems, yeah, like there's something menacing or evil

1292
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:23,399
about them.

1293
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:28,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, you hear about those friendly encounter stories and stuff

1294
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,159
on you know, certain podcasts and stuff like that. But

1295
01:22:33,279 --> 01:22:36,640
you know, I personally, you know, and I've talked to

1296
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:42,159
a lot of eyewitnesses, but I've never had anybody reach

1297
01:22:42,199 --> 01:22:43,760
out to me and say, you know, I had this

1298
01:22:44,079 --> 01:22:48,960
positive interaction with this creature, and you know, I just

1299
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:54,960
I question sometimes whether that's something that that individual has

1300
01:22:55,079 --> 01:22:59,079
made up and brought to the table. Sure for attention

1301
01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:02,439
and stuff like that, but then again, I am I'm

1302
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,600
not the god of discernment, so I try not to

1303
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:10,640
pass judgment on people, you know that I don't know, right.

1304
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 5: So a lot of questions people are asking about whether

1305
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:22,840
you've taken reports of like bigfoots and dogmen together. Do

1306
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,479
you think there's some correlation between the two. Do you

1307
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,640
think there's separate entities. At one point, I used to

1308
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:33,319
think that dog men were misidentified bigfoots. At one point.

1309
01:23:33,399 --> 01:23:36,720
I don't think that anymore, but at one point I did.

1310
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 6: I do believe that a lot of reports get confused,

1311
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:45,239
especially nighttime reports. It would be really easy to confuse

1312
01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:49,079
the two. So a certain percentage of those numbers are

1313
01:23:49,279 --> 01:23:52,520
probably you know, and I'm sure that the confusion goes

1314
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:59,520
both ways. Yeah, it's yes, that probably happens. So, yeah, yeah,

1315
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,279
they're as far as I'm being together and the same,

1316
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,199
I only I only have one report of a dog

1317
01:24:07,359 --> 01:24:11,680
man and a bigfoot being together in the same proximity.

1318
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:16,520
But we do, we do get a lot of reports

1319
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:21,039
of dog men being in the same areas as bigfoot.

1320
01:24:21,119 --> 01:24:24,960
It's like they do encounter this, they do inhabit the

1321
01:24:25,039 --> 01:24:28,920
same areas, you know. But as far as like the

1322
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:35,239
whole bigfoot versus dog man WWF stuff, I don't have

1323
01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:38,039
a whole lot of I don't go there. But yeah,

1324
01:24:38,359 --> 01:24:40,760
that's not something I usually I don't.

1325
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 5: Even think about that stuff. But I do know that

1326
01:24:44,119 --> 01:24:49,039
there seems to be more stories where eyewitnesses they claim

1327
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,680
these things like ran alongside their car trying to scare them.

1328
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:55,560
Things of that nature.

1329
01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:00,600
Speaker 6: The dogmen, I think, probably do that more than the

1330
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:06,520
bigfoot pound, you know, And that's another situation where they're

1331
01:25:07,359 --> 01:25:13,319
presenting themselves and you know, and with unknown intentions. You know,

1332
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,880
So what what are they really thinking? What are they doing?

1333
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,520
What's the purpose? I'm not really sure.

1334
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Michael, shoot, when you hear about this stuff,

1335
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,600
what's going through your head? I know you're open.

1336
01:25:33,279 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've really been focused on Bigfoot, So I don't

1337
01:25:37,039 --> 01:25:41,560
really follow the number of sightings or the types of

1338
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,039
sightings or things like that. But one question I have

1339
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:48,199
for Brian is when you divided Oklahoma into the four

1340
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:53,520
I don't know regions or areas, Like, what are we

1341
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,119
seeing in these areas? And what if you if you

1342
01:25:56,279 --> 01:26:00,159
do a plot of like the Bigfoot sightings, what's that

1343
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:03,399
look like compared to a plot of the dog man

1344
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,319
sightings and et cetera. They all in the same place

1345
01:26:06,399 --> 01:26:08,560
all the time. Is it all over the place as

1346
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,880
it even or do they focus.

1347
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 6: In certain areas? Oklahoma does have clusters. It seems like

1348
01:26:19,239 --> 01:26:22,800
southwest or southeastern Oklahoma is kind of like the wild

1349
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:27,399
wild West of reports. And if you go to the

1350
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:33,479
northeast and the southwest, there's there's more distinct hot spots

1351
01:26:34,199 --> 01:26:36,600
that you can get into. And if you go to

1352
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:41,279
northwest Oklahoma, there's a lot less reports, but there are

1353
01:26:41,319 --> 01:26:47,079
a lot more localized, to the point where it almost

1354
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:49,800
makes it a little bit easier to do research because

1355
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:53,760
you pretty much know where they're going to be. That's

1356
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,680
the desert, right well, that's that's the more plains and

1357
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:02,560
open platlands, plains. It's okay, yeah, and but yeah, there's

1358
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,000
there's rivers and they run up and down the rivers,

1359
01:27:05,039 --> 01:27:08,439
and there's lakes in northwestern Oklahoma where we get a

1360
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,840
lot of reports and we've even found a lot of

1361
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:11,920
prints and stuff like that.

1362
01:27:12,359 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 5: So Hillary had just mentioned that believes that a lot

1363
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,359
of dog man reports are probably just blown off as

1364
01:27:23,399 --> 01:27:24,560
seeing big giant.

1365
01:27:24,319 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 6: Dogs, especially at distance you know, you know, at two

1366
01:27:29,079 --> 01:27:34,239
three hundred yards, it'd be really hard to determine, you know,

1367
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,560
the physical size of these creatures. And even then, you know,

1368
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,119
you still got juvenile dog men that are going to

1369
01:27:41,159 --> 01:27:45,000
be running around. And so the way I look at it,

1370
01:27:45,079 --> 01:27:48,960
I think that people are probably ten times more likely

1371
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:54,039
to overlook a dog man sighting than they are you know,

1372
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:57,079
like a sasquatch siding. I mean with the sasquatch sighting,

1373
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,119
it's like, well, there's a hairy man over there, you

1374
01:28:00,199 --> 01:28:03,279
know that kind of sticks out. But at a distance,

1375
01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:05,319
you know, it'd be really hard to tell, you know,

1376
01:28:05,399 --> 01:28:10,199
a quadrupedal dog man encounter from you know, just a

1377
01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:13,199
regular domestic dog at a distance, it'd be really tough.

1378
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, what about a pedal dog man.

1379
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,239
Speaker 6: Well that's the ones that we get a lot more of,

1380
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,680
you know, we get a lot of the reports that

1381
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,800
we get, you know, especially at distance, of them bipedal.

1382
01:28:29,159 --> 01:28:32,239
The ones that we get close up, we get more

1383
01:28:32,399 --> 01:28:36,680
quadrupedal ones, you know. But yeah, it's more unusual when

1384
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:40,960
you see one standing up and walking bipedally, and people

1385
01:28:41,079 --> 01:28:44,359
do take note of that. But I think that a

1386
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:48,760
lot more people see them running around quadrupedally and dismiss

1387
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,239
it as just a domestic.

1388
01:28:52,039 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 10: But okay, so maybe I'm confused here. But the picture

1389
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:57,920
that was shown earlier I think was the cover of

1390
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:04,119
your book. That's a body of a man, right, yeah. Yeah,

1391
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,560
So if you saw that and it was quadrant, if

1392
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,359
it was on all fours, you'd still think that was

1393
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:15,039
kind of a funny looking sight. You wouldn't confuse that

1394
01:29:15,159 --> 01:29:17,800
with a dog unless you just were focusing on me.

1395
01:29:18,079 --> 01:29:22,279
Speaker 6: It would depend on your distance again, because at the distance,

1396
01:29:22,319 --> 01:29:24,640
you're going to be focused on its head and you're

1397
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,319
going to see that it has a tail, and if

1398
01:29:26,359 --> 01:29:27,720
it's on all fours.

1399
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:27,640
Speaker 5: You know.

1400
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,199
Speaker 6: But but yes, I think that you know, people that

1401
01:29:32,279 --> 01:29:35,399
are seeing these things that less than one hundred and

1402
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,840
fifty yards, yeah, they're going to know exactly what they're

1403
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,680
looking at. There's not going to be especially in the daytime,

1404
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:44,199
there's not going to be any misidentifications. You know, they're

1405
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:47,199
going to see one of the defining things that And

1406
01:29:47,319 --> 01:29:51,279
I always when I'm interviewing people, I never I'm always

1407
01:29:51,319 --> 01:29:54,680
very careful not to lead my witnesses because a lot

1408
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,760
of times they'll try to do the whole people pleasing

1409
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,159
thing and they'll give you the information that they think

1410
01:29:59,239 --> 01:30:02,680
you want to hear. And one of the things that

1411
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,680
I'm always looking for is if they describe the ears

1412
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,840
sticking up, you know, and that's like a it's like

1413
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,439
a ringing a bell. It's like, no, this isn't a

1414
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:15,680
sasquatch report we're talking about here, you know, or you know,

1415
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,520
if they look sideways and they see the muzzle and stuff,

1416
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:23,159
you know, and but yeah, it just I I think

1417
01:30:23,239 --> 01:30:26,680
that there's a small percentage chance that you're going to

1418
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:30,399
misidentify it with a sasquatch or something else. But it

1419
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:35,000
can happen. But is it a furless creature or is

1420
01:30:35,079 --> 01:30:38,840
it some of them some of them are very they

1421
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:42,039
have very fine, thin furs. Some of them report is

1422
01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:45,760
extremely shaggy. I think it goes back to it's just

1423
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:50,039
like normal dogs, you know, normal dog breeds. They come

1424
01:30:50,079 --> 01:30:54,600
in a lot of different varieties, and there's there's a

1425
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,600
whole bunch of you know, different variations in color. And

1426
01:30:58,279 --> 01:31:00,760
some of them have like really fine in fur and

1427
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,880
some of them are have that kinky, kinky fur.

1428
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 5: You know.

1429
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 6: I've actually got some trailcam pictures of some curly hair

1430
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,359
what we think is a dog man. So, I mean,

1431
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:16,000
it's just so I mean, you think about the diversity

1432
01:31:16,399 --> 01:31:19,880
in bigfoot, you know, and they've they've got all these

1433
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,960
different types. There's some that look more like primates. There's

1434
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,279
some of them that are big and huge, and most

1435
01:31:25,319 --> 01:31:27,760
of it up and you get down into Oklahoma and

1436
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,640
they're more tall and lanky and kind of skinny looking

1437
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,720
and basketball player physique. Some of them have like really

1438
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,079
short hair, you know, a lot of the females get

1439
01:31:37,319 --> 01:31:40,399
reported with short hair. Some of them have really long hair,

1440
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,720
you know, and hair growing on their shoulders, you know.

1441
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,960
And humans are the same way. You know that there's

1442
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,239
a whole bunch of different you know, genetic differences between

1443
01:31:50,319 --> 01:31:53,399
the different races of people and hair color and stuff,

1444
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,800
and you know, like you look at the you know,

1445
01:31:55,920 --> 01:32:00,760
a hair sample from you know, an Asian man compared

1446
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:05,119
to an Irish person compared to a you know, a

1447
01:32:05,239 --> 01:32:10,560
black guy or gal. That the hairs are like completely

1448
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:15,000
different and they really stand out. So it would be

1449
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:19,119
you know, stupid to assume that there's just gonna be

1450
01:32:19,239 --> 01:32:22,880
one specific tipe of these creatures.

1451
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, You're gonna have individuals, some who probably groom a lot,

1452
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:35,520
some who don't, diets different, oh my god, then different

1453
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,600
states of care, Like one may have just swam them

1454
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:42,359
across the river and clean and the other the other

1455
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:46,520
one in diken a bath in a month. Yeah. Oh yeah,

1456
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,640
then you get spider mates thrown in there. Yeah.

1457
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,239
Speaker 10: Well, I was just asking about the diversity of the

1458
01:32:52,359 --> 01:32:56,760
reports that you've taken, you know, because they must be

1459
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:02,760
across the board you know, from hairless to very very

1460
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:08,119
furry and different colors, you know, just all the dimensions

1461
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:09,600
that you mentioned.

1462
01:33:10,279 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 6: Well, it does, it varies. We've got a lot of

1463
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,840
of I would say sixty of the reports that I

1464
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:22,359
get they're black furred. Then I would say the next

1465
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:26,840
bleeting contender is brown or mixture of black and brown.

1466
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:32,640
Sometimes you get reports of them having silver or grayish

1467
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:38,479
fur mixed in with either or I do not have any.

1468
01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:42,439
I've only received one report of what you would call

1469
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:48,880
like a red furred dog man type creature, and I've

1470
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:53,239
only got like one report of a white one. But

1471
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,560
so you know, you get into the reds and the whites,

1472
01:33:56,680 --> 01:34:01,000
those are a lot more unusual, and sometimes I wonder

1473
01:34:01,079 --> 01:34:05,880
if that's not a misidentification, you know, But you know,

1474
01:34:06,119 --> 01:34:07,880
you kind of got to go with the numbers whenever

1475
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,079
you're looking at reports like that. You know, if you've

1476
01:34:10,079 --> 01:34:13,079
got a whole bunch of reports saying one thing that

1477
01:34:13,239 --> 01:34:17,520
lends a lot more credibility to you know, a specific

1478
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:20,560
character trait where you've just got like, you know, one

1479
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,520
or two reports of that particular thing, so you kind

1480
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,039
of got to go with the odds we have.

1481
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 5: Are you aware of any evidence of dog Man, because

1482
01:34:31,079 --> 01:34:33,399
with big Foot, we have so much. I'm sitting I'm

1483
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:38,079
looking at a tub of evidence that I constantly get

1484
01:34:38,319 --> 01:34:42,439
new things, and hopefully we keep keep looking for new

1485
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:44,920
labs to test all this stuff. It's all going to

1486
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:47,920
get used. But with dog Man it seems to be

1487
01:34:48,079 --> 01:34:48,720
much rare.

1488
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, and I think it kind of goes

1489
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:57,359
back to the to the whole thing of well you

1490
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,119
got you kind of got to look at the nature

1491
01:34:59,399 --> 01:35:02,159
of the physic evidence is left behind by these creatures.

1492
01:35:03,079 --> 01:35:05,199
If you find a big foot foot print, even if

1493
01:35:05,239 --> 01:35:09,159
it's it's not a giant one, say it's a you know,

1494
01:35:09,319 --> 01:35:13,439
say it's a ten inch bigfootprint, it's immediately going to

1495
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,880
get your attention, because Paul, it's like, the hell is

1496
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,079
somebody doing out here barefooted? Right? That's going to get

1497
01:35:20,119 --> 01:35:23,199
your attention. And it has to do with the context

1498
01:35:23,319 --> 01:35:25,119
and stuff like that. You're not going to think anything

1499
01:35:25,159 --> 01:35:29,600
of that on a beach, you know, But a canine

1500
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:34,279
print in its barefoot form is going to be so

1501
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:39,800
much more common that it's going to be overlooked quite considerably,

1502
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:42,960
a lot more. It would have to be of a

1503
01:35:43,159 --> 01:35:48,079
massive proportion before an average Joe, somebody that's not a

1504
01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:52,239
researcher is actually going to look at that and go, damn,

1505
01:35:52,319 --> 01:35:56,199
that's a really big canine print. It literally have to

1506
01:35:56,279 --> 01:35:59,840
be like seven or eight inches before average Joe is

1507
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:01,600
to be alarmed at the size of that.

1508
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:07,159
Speaker 5: Well, I found some six and a half inch wolf

1509
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:12,119
I have to just say wolf, unverified wolf tracks, and

1510
01:36:12,199 --> 01:36:13,279
took photos of them.

1511
01:36:13,359 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 17: But they were.

1512
01:36:14,119 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 5: Massive, and they were very clean and clear, you know,

1513
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,239
and they were clear. It was in a new area.

1514
01:36:21,319 --> 01:36:24,920
They had just grated the forest, getting ready to build

1515
01:36:25,039 --> 01:36:28,239
some kind of house. But it was on the edge

1516
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:32,960
of the forest and I was exploring and came upon

1517
01:36:33,079 --> 01:36:36,399
those prints photographed him because they seemed really out of

1518
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,399
place to me. They were just so big.

1519
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 6: In a quadrupedal or bipedle.

1520
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:48,279
Speaker 5: It was definitely a quadruped But the size is what

1521
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,159
got me, like what in the depth? Because I was

1522
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:54,479
comparing it to my own footprints. They were really fresh,

1523
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,840
and I was comparing it to even the tire tracks

1524
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:01,079
I was leaving with my mountain by that I was riding,

1525
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,239
which was a fat tired bike and it was just

1526
01:37:06,359 --> 01:37:11,279
barely even sinking compared to these these uh these tracks.

1527
01:37:11,359 --> 01:37:16,800
But my point is is most people aren't gonna go

1528
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:19,079
dog man. They're just gonna go, well, it's a big

1529
01:37:19,319 --> 01:37:21,239
wolf or a big cane.

1530
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:22,520
Speaker 6: They're gonna blow it off.

1531
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,279
Speaker 5: They're gonna blow it off, right, Yeah.

1532
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:28,359
Speaker 6: And so I think a lot of that that particular

1533
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:31,359
type of evidence, you know, is going to get just

1534
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,560
It's never gonna see the light of day unless somebody

1535
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:36,520
like me is looking is looking at it.

1536
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 5: And if hair is uh canine, it's also going to

1537
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:46,039
get just categorizes it's canine. What's unique about bigfoot here

1538
01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:52,199
is the fact it's longs be uncut, tapered, and human scaling,

1539
01:37:53,239 --> 01:37:55,760
so it jumps out more than I would think a

1540
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,079
dog man hare would just be a canine.

1541
01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 6: Here, I actually am impha osession of some that I

1542
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,880
believe it is a do could be a dog man.

1543
01:38:05,159 --> 01:38:07,119
Of course, I have no way of comparing it because

1544
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:13,439
there's there's no other samples out there. But basically what

1545
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:17,239
I'm looking at as I've got some two tone, you know,

1546
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:22,640
light brown black on the end hair samples that for

1547
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:27,239
all intensive purposes look like a coyote fur or wolf

1548
01:38:27,359 --> 01:38:32,119
fur that's two tone, except that it's like some of

1549
01:38:32,199 --> 01:38:34,840
them are seven inches long. And for the most part,

1550
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:38,439
wolf fur doesn't get over five inches long, and this

1551
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:41,840
stuff in certain places it's up to about two hundred

1552
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,600
two and ten microns in diameter, and you know, your

1553
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:51,319
average canine, you know, furs considerable less than that. So

1554
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:55,279
it it looks the sample that I have in my

1555
01:38:55,560 --> 01:39:01,640
possession is is actually a lot like wolf except it's

1556
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:06,159
thicker and it's a little bit longer. Now there have

1557
01:39:06,319 --> 01:39:11,119
been I've never seen them in person or seen photos

1558
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:14,600
of it, but I've talked to several other people who

1559
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:18,760
claimed to have dog man hair samples in their position,

1560
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:23,000
and you know, without leading them, I asked them to,

1561
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:27,680
you know, macroscopically, you know, you know, tell me what

1562
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,119
it looks like. And they basically gave me the same

1563
01:39:30,199 --> 01:39:36,479
description that two tone color. But as far as doing

1564
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:40,359
like any photographic work or anything like that, or measuring

1565
01:39:40,399 --> 01:39:43,119
the diameter of it or anything that they didn't have

1566
01:39:43,239 --> 01:39:43,880
that ability.

1567
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,560
Speaker 5: I could just see a real problem if I had

1568
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:53,520
to distinguish dog man here from just dog or wolf fur. Well,

1569
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,800
I know it is tough, but you know, it's just

1570
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,159
old stoken haircuts where when you find a huge and

1571
01:40:00,319 --> 01:40:03,640
scaled here right away you can look, oh, has it

1572
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:07,920
ever been cut? Yes, well that eliminates that just let alone.

1573
01:40:08,039 --> 01:40:13,239
But the fact it has no mandola or very little mondula.

1574
01:40:13,399 --> 01:40:17,479
And then it's scaled like human scaling. It jumps out,

1575
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:19,680
you know, and I those are like, yup, they go

1576
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:23,479
in the good They go in the good envelope. But

1577
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:26,159
I could see I don't know how I could ever

1578
01:40:26,279 --> 01:40:28,079
even select a dog man here.

1579
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:34,199
Speaker 6: With this sample. Was was actually kind of a cool story.

1580
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:38,319
There is and I'm not supposed to release the location

1581
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:44,079
where this came from, but there is a abandoned manufacturing

1582
01:40:44,279 --> 01:40:47,880
side and this guy, a friend of his, was doing

1583
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,640
security patrols around the perimeter of this area and they

1584
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,000
found a tree that had a bunch of this hair.

1585
01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:57,119
It had fallen over in a storm and there was

1586
01:40:57,159 --> 01:40:59,520
a bunch of this hair and lodged in the tree.

1587
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:06,520
And basically the guy brought this friend of mine this

1588
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,399
hair sample and he's like, well, what is this. Well,

1589
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:12,479
this guy that gave me this hair sample, he was

1590
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:16,640
a taxidermist for thirty years and he took one look

1591
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:18,119
at it and he goes, I have no idea what

1592
01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:22,520
that is, and it's it's very coarse feeling, you know.

1593
01:41:23,159 --> 01:41:25,079
And when he called me on the phone and told

1594
01:41:25,159 --> 01:41:27,680
me that. I was like, you know, my ears perked up.

1595
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:33,319
I was like, Okay, thirty year season taxidermist does not

1596
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:35,920
know what this is. This is interesting.

1597
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 5: So if you could send me even a photo of it,

1598
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,880
I would love to just see a photo on a

1599
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:42,920
white sheet of paper.

1600
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:45,199
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I can, I take it.

1601
01:41:45,279 --> 01:41:47,520
Speaker 5: It's been contaminated. It doesn't matter.

1602
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 6: It was contaminated before I got it.

1603
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't matter because they're going to wash it

1604
01:41:53,039 --> 01:41:55,039
any off it ever gets DNA tested.

1605
01:41:55,439 --> 01:42:00,079
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's it's we don't know exactly what to

1606
01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:03,239
make of it. To be honest with you, I did

1607
01:42:03,319 --> 01:42:06,520
do it like a YouTube video where I threw that

1608
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:10,319
out there and it's, uh, it's in our new dog

1609
01:42:10,399 --> 01:42:12,319
Man documentary that we just released.

1610
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,359
Speaker 5: Can you tell everybody the name Brian.

1611
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:20,560
Speaker 6: It's it's called uh, it's called the the Beast that Watches.

1612
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:24,800
And we basically kind of ran a few dog Man

1613
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:26,920
calls and we went out to a couple of places

1614
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,239
that we we didn't end up getting footage of a

1615
01:42:30,319 --> 01:42:32,560
dog man or anything, but we did cast a pretty

1616
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:37,079
big sized footprint, and you know, then we talked about

1617
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:41,920
that hair sample and I actually show you know, microscopic

1618
01:42:42,079 --> 01:42:46,199
and microscopic photos of the of the hair and I

1619
01:42:46,359 --> 01:42:50,960
discussed the you know, morphology of the hair sample as well,

1620
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:54,600
and uh, you know, I partially kind of did that

1621
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:59,760
as as I was kind of like throwing out they

1622
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:05,560
you know, if somebody out there would would disagree with

1623
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:08,920
me and challenge me on my bold statements about it

1624
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:13,760
being dog man here, I welcome that. I would like

1625
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:16,359
for somebody to come out of the woodwork and prove

1626
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:20,359
me wrong and challenge me on this stuff. But nobody's

1627
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:24,439
doing it. And uh and so in a way, I

1628
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,640
think that's kind of sad, because you know, I would

1629
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,079
like to I would like for somebody to prove me

1630
01:43:30,199 --> 01:43:33,760
wrong and educate me in the process. You know that

1631
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,239
you're going to have to have someone How would they

1632
01:43:37,399 --> 01:43:41,359
prove you wrong though? Ye, that's that's the whole thing.

1633
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:45,039
If they could. I would be very interested in that information.

1634
01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:51,479
So yeah, but but no nobody, Uh, nobody has come

1635
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:54,760
forward yet. But like I said, I'm I'm open to,

1636
01:43:55,239 --> 01:43:58,640
uh to a good wholesome argument.

1637
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:05,279
Speaker 5: Well, it needs a proper morphology logging and comparing it

1638
01:44:05,359 --> 01:44:08,800
to wolf for and then it needs to go in

1639
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:12,319
for DNA yeah, that's what has to happen.

1640
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:15,960
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm. Well, and for what it's worth, I did

1641
01:44:16,079 --> 01:44:19,159
take a small portion of it and I sent it

1642
01:44:19,239 --> 01:44:22,039
to uh, to Melba, But I don't think I'm going

1643
01:44:22,079 --> 01:44:23,880
to get anything back from her as far as the

1644
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:29,439
results are. How ago was out huh that was probably

1645
01:44:30,279 --> 01:44:35,920
six months ago, So I don't know. She says she's interested.

1646
01:44:39,359 --> 01:44:41,560
Speaker 5: In the DNA on it, Yeah, she's.

1647
01:44:44,359 --> 01:44:47,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't. I don't know what's really going on there.

1648
01:44:47,319 --> 01:44:50,159
I don't. I'm just it was more of a it

1649
01:44:50,279 --> 01:44:53,000
was more of a fishing expedition. So I opened up

1650
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:54,960
a line of communication with her and was trying to

1651
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,000
get some information out of her, and and so as

1652
01:44:58,039 --> 01:45:00,880
a courtesy, I sent her a a small portion of

1653
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:05,760
what I had. And yeah, but do you have how

1654
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:06,319
many do you have?

1655
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:10,039
Speaker 5: Do you have just one?

1656
01:45:11,359 --> 01:45:11,399
Speaker 14: No?

1657
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:12,319
Speaker 5: I have a bunch.

1658
01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:15,239
Speaker 6: Okay, So did you send her the route?

1659
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 11: End?

1660
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:20,680
Speaker 6: I sent her a a small section that still had

1661
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:25,079
some flesh attached. M M good. So she should have

1662
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:29,399
many times over what she needs to do whatever she

1663
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:32,520
needs to do with it. So I still have some

1664
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:35,600
And the guy that was originally in possession of it,

1665
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:36,800
he has a lot more of it.

1666
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:39,319
Speaker 10: Okay, Well, I don't know who she is and what

1667
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:41,840
her capabilities are, but if she's.

1668
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:44,359
Speaker 9: She was the.

1669
01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 6: Primary scientist involved with the ericson project back in the day,

1670
01:45:49,079 --> 01:45:55,520
that sasquatch genome study, Yeah, which had a bunch of issues,

1671
01:45:56,359 --> 01:45:59,720
but I still think that, you know, she was she

1672
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:02,119
was working with real samples back in the day, and

1673
01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:08,960
and uh yeah, oh well thanks Judy. I just I'm wanting.

1674
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:13,000
I didn't expect a fast response or anything, but yeah,

1675
01:46:14,119 --> 01:46:15,760
it's just one of those things when you when you

1676
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,840
send somebody something like that. It's just like Darby Orcat.

1677
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,840
He's telling everybody, you know, oh it's it's going to

1678
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:25,239
be years, you know. And and then I love it

1679
01:46:25,279 --> 01:46:27,119
when people try to pin him down on it and

1680
01:46:27,399 --> 01:46:36,319
he he, he dodges that. Like everybody's like, when's when's

1681
01:46:36,359 --> 01:46:37,960
the results going to be and when's the result?

1682
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1683
01:46:40,199 --> 01:46:43,359
Speaker 21: I don't know either, But my understanding is he's not

1684
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:47,600
a scientist. No, I don't know what he's doing. He's

1685
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:55,319
an administrator. He's an administrator and he has multiple different

1686
01:46:55,880 --> 01:47:00,279
departments under his under his belt that he's a troll

1687
01:47:00,399 --> 01:47:10,479
up and you know, everybody wants to know, uh, actually

1688
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:11,319
portions of it.

1689
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 6: Did have a medulla, so that was kind of unusual

1690
01:47:18,039 --> 01:47:21,359
in itself, but it depends on which hair he was

1691
01:47:21,399 --> 01:47:25,439
looking at, and uh, what area of the hair. So yeah,

1692
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:28,319
I've got pictures of it in our you know, in

1693
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:30,359
our documentary that we just released.

1694
01:47:31,319 --> 01:47:38,800
Speaker 5: But what about what about footprint casts? Anything compelling? Obviously

1695
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,920
I could have cast the one I found, but I

1696
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:44,640
wouldn't have cast thinking it was a dog man, just like,

1697
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:47,399
oh my god, this huge wle But go ahead.

1698
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 6: Well, so I've only cast one myself, and I donated

1699
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:59,279
that cast to the the Bigfoot Enigma Museum in Clayton, Oklahoma. Okay,

1700
01:48:00,199 --> 01:48:02,640
it's down there, there's pictures of it.

1701
01:48:03,319 --> 01:48:04,560
Speaker 5: Was there anything different about it?

1702
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 6: Brian, Well, that's the funny thing is there's there's really

1703
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:12,159
In my opinion, and this take this for what it's worth.

1704
01:48:12,319 --> 01:48:15,800
There's a lot of dog man prints going around on

1705
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:18,760
the internet, and a lot of them are not legitimate.

1706
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:24,199
But most of them, I would say, probably just look

1707
01:48:24,319 --> 01:48:30,000
like a regular domestic type dog print that's just large

1708
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:37,880
and but sometimes they have an appendage at the base

1709
01:48:38,119 --> 01:48:40,800
of the foot print, and I think that depends on

1710
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:46,439
you know, whether or not it's whether it's walking bipedally

1711
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:50,880
or quadrupedally. I think when they're walking quadrupedally, I don't

1712
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:53,399
think they leave that mark from that appendage at the

1713
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:57,600
back of the rear path. But that's just pure speculation

1714
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:01,039
because you know they don't. They don't still very long

1715
01:49:01,159 --> 01:49:04,680
for you to actually, you know, do this type of work.

1716
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:07,880
So there's a lot of speculation involved there. There's a

1717
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:11,119
lot of other ones out there too, but you know,

1718
01:49:11,359 --> 01:49:13,680
it's again you've got to go with the lion's share.

1719
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:15,920
What are we get in the most of and that's

1720
01:49:16,039 --> 01:49:18,520
the regular canine looking print.

1721
01:49:19,159 --> 01:49:21,640
Speaker 10: So they're not they're all canine looking prints. They're not

1722
01:49:22,119 --> 01:49:25,279
humannoid looking prints at all.

1723
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:29,319
Speaker 6: You will get humanoid looking prints with claws on the

1724
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:33,399
end and sometimes, but there's just there's just not enough

1725
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:37,760
of them to say that that's that's a viable series

1726
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,359
of you know, you just don't see a whole lot

1727
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:43,760
of them. Okay, So there they are out there though,

1728
01:49:44,119 --> 01:49:47,720
And I've got some photos. While we we showed a

1729
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:51,079
we showed a picture a picture of a cast that

1730
01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:54,279
was taken southeastern Oklahoma, and one of those humanoid type

1731
01:49:54,319 --> 01:49:56,840
of prints with claws on the end of it. I'm

1732
01:49:56,920 --> 01:50:00,960
not particularly convinced that that is deaf only a dog man.

1733
01:50:02,359 --> 01:50:04,560
The one thing that I do think that is interesting

1734
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:07,600
is in the middle of that print is a three

1735
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:11,600
toed canine print, and you kind of got to look

1736
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:16,760
at it closely, so you know, it's just there's there's

1737
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:18,479
a lot of variety. There's a lot of variety in

1738
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:22,520
bigfoot prints as well. You know, you've got your you know,

1739
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:26,439
your humanoid looking ones, You've got your skunk ape looking ones,

1740
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:31,840
You've got the the ones that have like, oh, I

1741
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:35,159
don't know that that's kind of a triangular shaped foot.

1742
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:38,079
I think those are some of the weirdest ones. But

1743
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:39,520
every once in a while we get some of those

1744
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:42,760
here in Oklahoma. Still not sure what kind of box

1745
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:46,079
to put that in, but I think it's you know,

1746
01:50:46,199 --> 01:50:48,399
I think cane. I think these canine creatures that they're

1747
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:51,640
going to be the same way. They're going to be unusual,

1748
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:55,479
and they're going to have differences in between the different

1749
01:50:55,520 --> 01:51:01,439
genetic groups across the country. So there's there's a lot

1750
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:04,960
of people running around, you know, these conferences and stuff,

1751
01:51:05,039 --> 01:51:08,279
and they've got some pretty weird looking prints that they're

1752
01:51:08,319 --> 01:51:12,439
displaying claiming to be dog man, and uh, you know,

1753
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:14,359
I always try to take pictures of them just for

1754
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:19,319
research purposes, but for the most part, I think most

1755
01:51:19,399 --> 01:51:21,720
of them are going to look like something you'd recognize

1756
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:26,159
as a domestic canine large.

1757
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 5: What do you what do you think the her brain?

1758
01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:34,800
What's your best guess? Do you think they're just a

1759
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:38,680
regular biological creature living in the woods, flesh and blood,

1760
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:42,439
or do you think there's some preormal aspect if you

1761
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:46,039
maybe you don't know. I don't know, obviously don't know.

1762
01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:50,319
Speaker 6: But you have any nobody knows. But the two that

1763
01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:53,239
I saw with my own eyes, they look very real,

1764
01:51:53,399 --> 01:51:56,359
very tangible. They look like if I put a round

1765
01:51:56,439 --> 01:52:01,119
throw them, they bleed. But you know, when you do

1766
01:52:01,359 --> 01:52:04,199
doing this as long as I have, you know, the

1767
01:52:04,319 --> 01:52:07,439
stories trickle in, and sometimes these stories they come from

1768
01:52:08,279 --> 01:52:13,600
pretty reasonable eyewitnesses, and so after a while you start

1769
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:17,800
to realize, you know that, hey, you know, there's got

1770
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:21,720
to be something to that, you know, And and again

1771
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:24,159
it goes back to the number of reports that are

1772
01:52:24,199 --> 01:52:26,439
coming in. You know, you kind of got to put

1773
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:28,640
them all together and look at the data as a whole.

1774
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:31,520
What is the data saying? And I think you've got

1775
01:52:32,119 --> 01:52:36,039
a similar situation, just like the Bigfoot. You know, you've

1776
01:52:36,079 --> 01:52:39,319
got people that are reporting, you know, very flesh and

1777
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:43,079
blood looking situations, and then you've got you know what

1778
01:52:43,199 --> 01:52:46,239
we used to call the flute players of the WU people,

1779
01:52:47,079 --> 01:52:50,199
and they're you know, they're saying that it just vanished

1780
01:52:50,319 --> 01:52:51,920
right in front of it, right in front of me,

1781
01:52:52,039 --> 01:52:56,319
you know. And then they're displaying very highly unusual paranormal

1782
01:52:57,079 --> 01:53:01,840
you know stuff tendencies, and you know, nobody has a

1783
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:05,479
ruler that's going to measure that aspect of it. But

1784
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:09,720
I can tell you that, you know, we personally read

1785
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:13,600
er cryptis, we've experienced some stuff that you kind of

1786
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:17,199
got to put in the paranormal you know category. And

1787
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:21,479
you know, as a as a as a former flesh

1788
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:23,880
and blood guy, the type of guy I like to

1789
01:53:24,039 --> 01:53:27,079
measure things, and I don't know, I want to be

1790
01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:31,800
able to document things. I don't like that kind of

1791
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:37,840
you know, situations where this kind of stuff comes to fruition.

1792
01:53:38,039 --> 01:53:40,720
I don't like that because I like to have my

1793
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,000
boxes nice and neat, and I like to be able

1794
01:53:43,039 --> 01:53:45,640
to put all my stuff in a box. But occasionally

1795
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:49,560
you run into stuff. It's just it is, it is

1796
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:54,600
don't fit and right, and so we've we started doing more.

1797
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:59,319
We started taking like paranormal measuring equipment into the field

1798
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:04,800
and we're trying to document. You know, we're just kind

1799
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:08,600
of getting started using trifield meters, we're using lightning detectors,

1800
01:54:08,720 --> 01:54:12,760
we're measuring you know, magin did.

1801
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:16,560
Speaker 5: You see did you say you're using Giger counters?

1802
01:54:17,159 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 6: Yes, Eric has a Geiger counter that he brings with us.

1803
01:54:20,199 --> 01:54:22,079
Speaker 5: What's it gonna hurt. It's not going to hurt a thing.

1804
01:54:22,199 --> 01:54:24,439
But the only thing I would recommend if you bring

1805
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:28,199
like our f meters, to bring two because otherwise you're

1806
01:54:28,239 --> 01:54:30,560
never going to know whether it's something malfunction or not.

1807
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 6: That's right. We've probably in our group, we've probably got

1808
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:39,960
four uh, I think we've got four trifield meters, oh okay,

1809
01:54:40,159 --> 01:54:42,960
and we've only got one Geiger meter, but we've never.

1810
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:44,039
Speaker 5: Had it really go off.

1811
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:51,399
Speaker 6: We've even we've got lightning detectors, which, honestly, those are

1812
01:54:51,479 --> 01:54:57,920
more interesting than you would think, especially because Eric has.

1813
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:58,880
Speaker 5: One and I have one.

1814
01:54:59,239 --> 01:55:03,199
Speaker 6: I've never heard being used, well I had either. I

1815
01:55:03,359 --> 01:55:04,479
saw it on another show.

1816
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:08,479
Speaker 5: Would you would you mind at some other other time

1817
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:11,840
just coming on and and doing a tech breakdown on

1818
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:16,960
that for people six little piece, because that's a great idea.

1819
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, nobody knows for sure, but you know,

1820
01:55:21,079 --> 01:55:23,359
you gotta you gotta look at your ghost hunters. You

1821
01:55:23,439 --> 01:55:26,479
got to see what they're doing. That's why I brought

1822
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:29,720
Coleman actually onto the team, because he had a background

1823
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:34,520
in paranormal research. And I've got another guy named Scotty Rottenmaker.

1824
01:55:35,079 --> 01:55:38,239
He's a he's a ghost hunter too. And you know,

1825
01:55:38,479 --> 01:55:40,720
I bring these guys on and they're saying, yeah, we

1826
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:42,319
need to do this, we need to do this. And

1827
01:55:43,159 --> 01:55:46,960
you know, of course, you know, I teach you know, electricity,

1828
01:55:47,079 --> 01:55:50,159
electronics and stuff. So a lot of this stuff I

1829
01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:54,119
had laying around my shop. You know, it's like a

1830
01:55:54,199 --> 01:55:57,600
Trifield meter. That's not the tool that is designed for

1831
01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:01,039
ghost hunters. It's it's a it's a tool that's designed

1832
01:56:01,079 --> 01:56:05,239
to be used on electronic equipment, right, and uh, but yeah,

1833
01:56:05,279 --> 01:56:08,239
that's what you're looking for. You're looking for RF you know,

1834
01:56:08,439 --> 01:56:13,359
spikes and anomalies. You're looking for magnetic anomalies and you know,

1835
01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:18,279
and so uh, you know, an EMF, you know, blust a.

1836
01:56:18,439 --> 01:56:22,479
Speaker 5: UV flashlight probably should be packed a couple of good

1837
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:24,520
strong v flashlights.

1838
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 6: I personally I don't have one of those.

1839
01:56:27,239 --> 01:56:29,439
Speaker 5: You should get them. They're cheap, they're just people use.

1840
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:33,119
They sell on Amazon for like six bucks. You can

1841
01:56:33,159 --> 01:56:36,279
get them for and they work. Really they're amazing for

1842
01:56:36,479 --> 01:56:40,560
looking for evidence because like a dog man hair would glow.

1843
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 6: Well, I'll have to check that out because I can

1844
01:56:44,039 --> 01:56:45,000
test that real quick.

1845
01:56:45,319 --> 01:56:50,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have your glow and you're going to be like, oh, yeah,

1846
01:56:51,159 --> 01:56:53,680
we packed that with you and it it can also

1847
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:58,399
help you see urine and all sorts of that would

1848
01:56:58,439 --> 01:56:59,920
be invisible to you at night.

1849
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:04,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's probably true, and that's we're We're slowly trying

1850
01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:06,760
to up our game and diversify the problem is, is

1851
01:57:07,319 --> 01:57:09,279
you end up carrying a whole bunch of crap into

1852
01:57:09,279 --> 01:57:11,239
the woods with Yeah, exactly.

1853
01:57:11,239 --> 01:57:14,680
Speaker 5: Do you guys do? What are you out looking for

1854
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:17,119
when your group goes out? Is it dog Man or

1855
01:57:17,239 --> 01:57:18,800
is it bigfoots? Or is it both?

1856
01:57:19,039 --> 01:57:19,199
Speaker 9: Is it?

1857
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 6: Well, it's it's honestly, it's both. But we do have

1858
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:26,399
areas that lean more towards Bigfoot and we have areas

1859
01:57:26,479 --> 01:57:29,840
that lean more towards dog Man. But dog Man is

1860
01:57:30,039 --> 01:57:35,319
a lot harder to pin down. I can take you too,

1861
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:44,279
I would say, we've got three top secrets locations that

1862
01:57:44,479 --> 01:57:47,680
I could I could go out and we know that

1863
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:50,600
they're in that immediate area. We may not have an encounter,

1864
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:54,000
we may not find any evidence, but you know, it's

1865
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:56,520
like you get the you get the audio back and

1866
01:57:56,640 --> 01:58:01,119
sure up they were there. But dog men are a

1867
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:04,760
lot more difficult to pin down. I think they're more

1868
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:08,960
nomadic and I think that they they move around a

1869
01:58:09,079 --> 01:58:12,800
lot more and they're harder to pin down than sasquatch.

1870
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:17,439
Sasquatch tend to like, at least in Oklahoma, they're here

1871
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:20,479
year round. There's no migrating. I think they've got a

1872
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:23,199
home base and then they'll work an area over here

1873
01:58:23,399 --> 01:58:25,399
for a couple of weeks, then they'll move over. They'll

1874
01:58:25,399 --> 01:58:28,079
work another area over here, and it's it's more like

1875
01:58:28,199 --> 01:58:33,119
they move around from different seasons, you know. But if

1876
01:58:33,159 --> 01:58:35,479
they're in an area, their home base I think stays

1877
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:41,399
the same all year round. They're fairly easy to locate,

1878
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:46,720
whereas dog men not so easy. Well, Brian, you mentioned audio.

1879
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:49,439
What what do you actually hear in the audio when

1880
01:58:49,479 --> 01:58:52,640
you review it? What are you listening for? Well, for

1881
01:58:53,239 --> 01:58:58,199
dog man, of course, it's it's difficult. It's really hard

1882
01:58:58,279 --> 01:59:01,079
to differentiate, you know, the some of this dog man

1883
01:59:01,239 --> 01:59:04,800
audio from everything else. Anybody's ever done audio knows that

1884
01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:09,279
there's no one hundred percent sure this is what this is.

1885
01:59:11,159 --> 01:59:16,560
Bigfoot audio is is difficult because their vocalizations are very,

1886
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:20,800
very diverse. I used to hunt coyotes back in the day,

1887
01:59:21,479 --> 01:59:25,439
and I remember they had over two hundred different types

1888
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:29,199
of coyote vocalizations that you could order off of a

1889
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:35,119
Fox Pro where they have like electronic Fox Pro callers

1890
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:39,760
for coyotes, two hundred different types. So I would expect,

1891
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,520
you know, these these dog men to be very similar.

1892
01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:46,880
We pick things up that are canine like, that are

1893
01:59:47,159 --> 01:59:52,600
deeper in tone, that are you know, they show up

1894
01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:56,560
different on the spectrograph. They're they're a little bit more

1895
01:59:57,479 --> 02:00:00,680
what's the word, I'm looking for a little bit lower

1896
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:05,359
on the frequency range than coyotes, and they don't do

1897
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:08,920
all the ups and downs and stuff that you get.

1898
02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:13,680
But yeah, it's it's you can kind of tell, but

1899
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:15,880
there's no for sure. I mean, it's it's not a

1900
02:00:16,520 --> 02:00:18,840
it's not a for sure deal where we know one

1901
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:23,159
hundred percent that this is a dog man vocalization.

1902
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:28,399
Speaker 5: Brian do you guys do spectro Graham or spectrographs on

1903
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:30,199
your on your audio finds.

1904
02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:33,640
Speaker 6: Yes, I use Audacity.

1905
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:36,800
Speaker 5: So you're doing that yourself, which is cool.

1906
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:39,760
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well, nobody's going to do it for me.

1907
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:44,279
Speaker 5: Well, I think David Ellis would probably be really interested

1908
02:00:44,359 --> 02:00:47,720
in just you know, working with you a bit, yeah,

1909
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:51,079
to take a look and maybe maybe he has such

1910
02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:54,319
a huge library that he and such a great memory

1911
02:00:54,479 --> 02:00:57,800
that he can listen to something go hey, I've got

1912
02:00:57,880 --> 02:01:01,399
something almost exact, you know, then he'll send it to you.

1913
02:01:02,439 --> 02:01:07,119
Speaker 6: I follow those guys, you know, I follow them on Facebook,

1914
02:01:07,319 --> 02:01:12,119
and I callow Chris Spencer and and I'm a They

1915
02:01:12,199 --> 02:01:16,039
are probably one of the number one people that when

1916
02:01:16,079 --> 02:01:18,520
they release something new, which I don't think David Ellis,

1917
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:22,159
I think he's kind of retired, but they when they

1918
02:01:22,279 --> 02:01:26,199
put something out, I get notified and I'm all over

1919
02:01:26,319 --> 02:01:29,640
it because you know, anytime I get an opportunity to learn,

1920
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:30,880
that's what I want to do. Well.

1921
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:34,760
Speaker 5: The problem is, and what we've we've been talking about

1922
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:38,960
how to address the problem is he's got almost ten

1923
02:01:39,119 --> 02:01:46,079
thousand recordings. So we're talking about getting a depository website

1924
02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:50,560
up and say these are the metallic sounds that have

1925
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:53,920
been recorded all over the country. These are the the

1926
02:01:54,039 --> 02:01:57,119
mallpop stuff. These are you know what I mean. To

1927
02:01:57,199 --> 02:01:59,840
have a place where people, all people can go and

1928
02:02:00,079 --> 02:02:05,880
compare their recordings. I would love to introduce you to David.

1929
02:02:07,119 --> 02:02:09,079
You guys definitely need to know each other. If you

1930
02:02:09,159 --> 02:02:12,880
don't personally know him, but he's still I just want

1931
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:17,279
to learn more. You know, Well, let's do that. Let's

1932
02:02:17,319 --> 02:02:20,399
get you together with David, and you guys can certainly

1933
02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:24,359
be a benefit to each other, no doubt, no doubt

1934
02:02:24,399 --> 02:02:29,000
about it. Michael I was with me. We're not gonna

1935
02:02:29,039 --> 02:02:31,960
say where or anything, Michael, but Michael was with me

1936
02:02:32,079 --> 02:02:35,560
one day when I was monitoring a audio and camera

1937
02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:39,279
project we have going, and we were hearing some pretty

1938
02:02:39,319 --> 02:02:43,439
interesting stuff and Michael was really blown away when he

1939
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:49,840
was hearing live like it was live rock throws, whate

1940
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:53,520
other there sounds where we're hearing it was like almost

1941
02:02:53,600 --> 02:02:54,600
like talking.

1942
02:02:55,199 --> 02:03:01,960
Speaker 10: Going on, vocal vocalization, not like screaming, but you know, talking.

1943
02:03:02,239 --> 02:03:04,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, like talking stuff. Yeah, it was pretty cool.

1944
02:03:05,399 --> 02:03:09,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, we caught some I think whispering. Yeah. I don't

1945
02:03:09,479 --> 02:03:11,880
know what the deal is with these things, but they

1946
02:03:12,439 --> 02:03:14,960
down here in Oklahoma. There, it's like they're attracted to

1947
02:03:15,039 --> 02:03:19,079
my audio recorders. And I figured out that if you

1948
02:03:19,399 --> 02:03:22,439
take your audio recorder and you put it out about

1949
02:03:22,479 --> 02:03:26,079
sixty seventy eighty yards from camp, and if you pick

1950
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:29,079
a good spot to put it where, they can also

1951
02:03:29,279 --> 02:03:34,520
in turn watch your camp, you know, fairly easily they'll

1952
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:36,680
take advantage of that and they'll hang out by your

1953
02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:37,600
audio recorder.

1954
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:45,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've kind of am aware of how easy it

1955
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:47,039
can be to get audio.

1956
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:52,680
Speaker 6: It's kind of number one. What is an audio recorder?

1957
02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:54,439
It's just a microphone or.

1958
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:56,399
Speaker 5: A zoomage one Audieah.

1959
02:03:56,960 --> 02:04:00,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got one directions I use tag. I've got

1960
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:04,920
some wildlife acoustics. Yeah, it just depends on where I'm

1961
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:05,359
leaving it.

1962
02:04:05,479 --> 02:04:09,119
Speaker 5: And have you I got a question before I forget,

1963
02:04:09,159 --> 02:04:12,199
like you're forgetting to ask you? Have you ever heard

1964
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:18,560
or recorded any type of uh deep humming, almost like

1965
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:21,520
hummingbird wings or some kind of hum sound.

1966
02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:26,479
Speaker 6: Brian, Yeah, yeah, but that's probably the only thing.

1967
02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:27,000
Speaker 9: I think.

1968
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:34,079
Speaker 6: I think it's a mister Yarrington. I heard I said

1969
02:04:34,119 --> 02:04:37,359
something on a podcast one time in the comments. He

1970
02:04:37,479 --> 02:04:39,319
reached out to me and I sent him an audio

1971
02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:44,560
file I call it the anomaly, but I think I

1972
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:51,560
think that Jeff sent it to David Ellis and they

1973
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:54,680
were they were interested in that audio for for a while.

1974
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:58,600
I don't know whatever came of it, but it was

1975
02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:02,159
a pretty unusual a piece of audio that was taken

1976
02:05:02,359 --> 02:05:06,720
from the wash to Tow No, yeah, the Washtaw Mountains

1977
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:11,560
in southeastern Oklahoma in the middle of February. It is

1978
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:12,880
not an insect bug.

1979
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:14,760
Speaker 5: I can tell you that. It is kind of a

1980
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:17,119
buzz or a hum, kind of a my gosh.

1981
02:05:17,359 --> 02:05:20,199
Speaker 6: I mean, if you're if you've got good headphones on,

1982
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:24,600
it'll rattle the ear wax, right, Okay, it's freaky sound.

1983
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:28,840
Speaker 5: So yeah, maybe I think you were talking about Tristan Yolton.

1984
02:05:30,479 --> 02:05:32,479
So that guy is the king of weird audio.

1985
02:05:32,920 --> 02:05:33,640
Speaker 8: Yeah he is.

1986
02:05:34,039 --> 02:05:36,840
Speaker 6: And that's that's pretty that's very interesting.

1987
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:41,239
Speaker 5: But we've collected I believe upwards of eighty five now

1988
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:45,760
from your searchers like yourself. You don't have that handy,

1989
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:48,159
do you? Any strange.

1990
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:57,119
Speaker 6: It's on my my YouTube is well, i'll have to

1991
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:00,720
I'll have to send you. I don't think it's public's

1992
02:06:01,560 --> 02:06:04,920
I need. Yeah, I can send you the link. It's unlisted,

1993
02:06:05,079 --> 02:06:06,399
so I can send you the link and you can

1994
02:06:06,479 --> 02:06:07,039
listen to it.

1995
02:06:07,359 --> 02:06:09,079
Speaker 5: Good, good, good, could you do that?

1996
02:06:09,640 --> 02:06:14,680
Speaker 6: Yes, I've actually been well, let me see if I

1997
02:06:14,720 --> 02:06:18,319
can do that here you're talking, you're talking about.

1998
02:06:18,760 --> 02:06:20,600
Speaker 5: You can pop off if you need to, Brian to

1999
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:28,439
go do that. That's so hopefully I don't lose you here. No, well,

2000
02:06:28,439 --> 02:06:30,279
if you do, just come back and just click the

2001
02:06:30,359 --> 02:06:31,520
link again and come back.

2002
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:35,800
Speaker 6: See if I can find it. It's uh, let me

2003
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:37,399
put on please?

2004
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:39,880
Speaker 15: Oh no, it.

2005
02:06:41,479 --> 02:06:44,000
Speaker 6: So a lot of people ask me why don't I

2006
02:06:44,159 --> 02:06:48,560
put I'll send stuff to anybody, but here you want

2007
02:06:48,600 --> 02:06:50,039
a dog Man audio clip?

2008
02:06:50,359 --> 02:06:50,600
Speaker 5: Sure?

2009
02:06:51,560 --> 02:06:53,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, pretty much.

2010
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:57,760
Speaker 6: Okay, there's a there's a story with see here.

2011
02:06:58,640 --> 02:06:58,960
Speaker 5: What am I?

2012
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:01,239
Speaker 6: God? I got it list to unless I should be

2013
02:07:01,319 --> 02:07:10,159
able to share it. And if you get share a

2014
02:07:10,359 --> 02:07:17,279
link bam copied to clipboard and let me go into email.

2015
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:23,640
Speaker 5: And we haven't forgot about Skippy Johnson either. You see

2016
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:26,239
he's left the background. I told about nine thirty. We

2017
02:07:26,840 --> 02:07:27,399
pop him on.

2018
02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:34,479
Speaker 6: I'm gonna reply here is a I hope this where

2019
02:07:34,680 --> 02:07:34,960
is the.

2020
02:07:39,079 --> 02:07:39,479
Speaker 5: Goodness?

2021
02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:42,640
Speaker 6: I don't know what I'm doing here. I'm not you'd

2022
02:07:42,680 --> 02:07:44,119
think i'd know I'd be better at this.

2023
02:07:46,399 --> 02:07:47,439
Speaker 5: I just heard something.

2024
02:07:50,119 --> 02:07:51,439
Speaker 6: I wonder if I could play it?

2025
02:07:52,159 --> 02:07:55,840
Speaker 5: Sure? You can just play it all heart's see you

2026
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:59,800
have outside speakers, can use the present present.

2027
02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:01,399
Speaker 6: Option.

2028
02:08:04,399 --> 02:08:05,439
Speaker 5: That's a Jeff question.

2029
02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:07,680
Speaker 8: Jeff, I don't know if he can. But if you

2030
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:09,640
email it to me, I can, sure, Pop, I can

2031
02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:10,520
put it up on the screen.

2032
02:08:12,399 --> 02:08:13,000
Speaker 5: That's uh.

2033
02:08:15,479 --> 02:08:16,159
Speaker 6: Link in the chat?

2034
02:08:20,119 --> 02:08:22,199
Speaker 5: Could you hear that? No?

2035
02:08:24,039 --> 02:08:29,000
Speaker 6: Nope, Okay, All on here, I'm going to get this

2036
02:08:29,199 --> 02:08:34,960
to you one way or the other. Uh if you

2037
02:08:35,039 --> 02:08:39,479
put the link in the chat? Well, why don't I

2038
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:41,600
just why don't I just change it?

2039
02:08:44,159 --> 02:08:44,279
Speaker 9: Oh?

2040
02:08:44,399 --> 02:08:48,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess I could do that, couldn't I? The

2041
02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:49,960
problem is is I'm trying to I'm having a hard

2042
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:53,800
time getting a shareable link here. It's my own dang channel.

2043
02:08:57,439 --> 02:08:58,119
Let's see here.

2044
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:00,720
Speaker 5: You can just go up to the ads parn just

2045
02:09:00,840 --> 02:09:04,119
it select all in command V. I should copy it.

2046
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:08,520
Speaker 10: Command see command v Oh yeah, command.

2047
02:09:08,279 --> 02:09:14,760
Speaker 5: See sorry, and then command be sorry you're right, wow.

2048
02:09:16,279 --> 02:09:25,840
Speaker 6: Control. I don't know. I'm sorry, guys, I'm just I'm

2049
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:31,920
struggling here. I can change it to public.

2050
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:34,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, just change it to public real quick, and then

2051
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:35,359
copy it.

2052
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:44,600
Speaker 6: It's public now. And now let me see if I can.

2053
02:09:46,199 --> 02:09:48,520
Speaker 8: I'm still on your YouTube channel. You made it public.

2054
02:09:49,279 --> 02:09:53,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just went live, which there's no big.

2055
02:09:58,399 --> 02:09:58,760
Speaker 8: There we go.

2056
02:09:59,000 --> 02:09:59,319
Speaker 5: I got it.

2057
02:09:59,399 --> 02:10:01,439
Speaker 8: COMMU just a tear and I will be able to

2058
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:01,760
play it.

2059
02:10:03,159 --> 02:10:08,840
Speaker 6: Well, let me find the anomaly and m hm yuys Now,

2060
02:10:09,159 --> 02:10:11,960
I will warn you the anomaly isn't as impressive unless

2061
02:10:11,960 --> 02:10:18,800
you're wearing headphones. Yeah, I can play this.

2062
02:10:20,119 --> 02:10:21,600
Speaker 5: We have not forgotten about you.

2063
02:10:24,640 --> 02:10:27,960
Speaker 6: Sorry, Skipping that had recorded something weird that we had

2064
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:32,600
been prowling around outside of her home. The suspect vocal

2065
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:35,359
is only about three and a half seconds long, but

2066
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:39,399
you can also hear her talking and the family dog

2067
02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:40,800
barking in the background.

2068
02:10:41,720 --> 02:10:42,520
Speaker 5: So here you go.

2069
02:11:12,199 --> 02:11:14,279
Speaker 6: This lady was scared and she was reaching out to

2070
02:11:14,319 --> 02:11:17,760
people for some answers. Unfortunately, I think she got an

2071
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:21,520
answer that she didn't want. Anyway, I don't know what

2072
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:25,840
happened in this situation. The eyewitness there ended up going

2073
02:11:25,960 --> 02:11:27,479
dark on us and we didn't hear back.

2074
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:33,840
Speaker 5: Okay, was that the dog man? Or was that the

2075
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:35,399
home that was the dog man?

2076
02:11:35,479 --> 02:11:38,960
Speaker 6: That was the dog man? It's kind of a weird squall.

2077
02:11:39,560 --> 02:11:42,800
The anomaly I just made public too. You should be

2078
02:11:42,840 --> 02:11:50,000
able to do the same thing. With that, I'm not

2079
02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:51,039
sure where it'll show.

2080
02:11:50,920 --> 02:11:51,319
Speaker 5: Up on them.

2081
02:11:52,319 --> 02:11:53,960
Speaker 8: Here we go, yep, I got it here.

2082
02:11:55,560 --> 02:11:55,960
Speaker 5: All right.

2083
02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:02,359
Speaker 6: This was a couple of years ago. Every once in

2084
02:12:02,359 --> 02:12:08,920
a while we get weird stuff like this. Oh yeah,

2085
02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:18,159
that's my b loogo, I'm not can the audio. Okay,

2086
02:12:18,279 --> 02:12:20,439
this is what I call the anomaly.

2087
02:12:28,439 --> 02:12:34,279
Speaker 11: Mm hmm do again.

2088
02:12:37,079 --> 02:12:37,399
Speaker 5: That's it?

2089
02:12:39,159 --> 02:12:42,279
Speaker 6: Yep, that's all I get.

2090
02:12:43,279 --> 02:12:47,119
Speaker 5: That's it, Brian, Well.

2091
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:51,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, that definitely sounds familiar. We've heard that song before.

2092
02:12:51,560 --> 02:12:52,439
Speaker 6: You guys can hear that.

2093
02:12:52,640 --> 02:12:57,399
Speaker 5: I can, Hell, yeah, we can hear. Okay, I have

2094
02:12:58,039 --> 02:13:01,760
I have a you know, and uh headset in and

2095
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:09,039
oh yeah, vibrated my whole head. Yeah yeah, so no,

2096
02:13:09,319 --> 02:13:12,119
that's exactly what we're talking about.

2097
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:15,479
Speaker 6: Yeah. I don't know what that is, but that was February.

2098
02:13:15,680 --> 02:13:16,600
Speaker 5: That was not a bug.

2099
02:13:16,720 --> 02:13:17,760
Speaker 6: That was not an insect.

2100
02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:21,479
Speaker 5: If it was a bug, it was about one thousand

2101
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:22,159
pound bugs.

2102
02:13:23,199 --> 02:13:27,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was that was in the middle of

2103
02:13:27,239 --> 02:13:30,920
the Washington National Forest and there was no vehicles or

2104
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:35,279
nothing that location. I would say, we're about eleven miles

2105
02:13:35,319 --> 02:13:36,680
from the nearest black top road.

2106
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:39,800
Speaker 5: So well, we're going to do another show on the

2107
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:44,439
hum only because we have so many recordings now and

2108
02:13:44,920 --> 02:13:48,880
Carl's up donated the last one that was just off

2109
02:13:49,039 --> 02:13:54,640
the charts. It was so amazing, and it was from

2110
02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:59,640
the sales ranch from years and years ago, recorded on

2111
02:13:59,800 --> 02:14:04,720
VA chest tape mm hmm, which I thought was kind

2112
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:05,319
of interesting.

2113
02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:07,960
Speaker 8: So anyhow, okay, I can I haven't hand if you

2114
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:08,680
want to hear it again?

2115
02:14:08,920 --> 02:14:11,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, have you got that one? Yeah? Listen to this, Brian,

2116
02:14:12,159 --> 02:14:16,920
that again? Holy Camoly, that's a capture. What is this again?

2117
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:35,680
Doug M? And wow, Carl? What year was this? So

2118
02:14:35,960 --> 02:14:39,600
those two thousand? I think that tape was from two

2119
02:14:39,640 --> 02:14:41,880
thousand and four or two thousand. This is years and

2120
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:46,039
years before any all right, that's good. I was pretty

2121
02:14:46,079 --> 02:14:51,399
excited because it was so was recorded so loud, because

2122
02:14:51,439 --> 02:14:56,399
it kind of borders on that below twenty hurts, you know,

2123
02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:59,640
and above twenty herts. But that's what we're talking about.

2124
02:14:59,680 --> 02:15:03,399
It's like like a per buzz hum m hmmm. So

2125
02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:06,079
we call it the Bigfoot buzz houm per.

2126
02:15:07,560 --> 02:15:10,239
Speaker 6: You know, if you look at mine, and I'm not,

2127
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:11,960
all I know is mine. I spent a lot of

2128
02:15:11,960 --> 02:15:14,680
time looking at it, like it comes down. It's kind

2129
02:15:14,720 --> 02:15:19,279
of pyramid shaped, which kind of tells me and mine.

2130
02:15:19,319 --> 02:15:22,079
I think it just goes down to zero. But it

2131
02:15:22,199 --> 02:15:26,399
kind of tells me that, you know, the the big

2132
02:15:26,640 --> 02:15:32,039
part of that sound is below that that frequency capability,

2133
02:15:32,720 --> 02:15:35,640
like we're only here in like the part that we

2134
02:15:35,720 --> 02:15:38,560
can hear. It's like we're only hearing a spa exactly.

2135
02:15:38,840 --> 02:15:39,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2136
02:15:40,119 --> 02:15:43,960
Speaker 6: Oh, whatever it is, it's outside of our recording capability

2137
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:44,359
as well.

2138
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:48,680
Speaker 5: So so David is in the audience, David goes, I

2139
02:15:48,760 --> 02:15:53,520
can increase the volume on Brian's anominally recording. So I

2140
02:15:54,279 --> 02:15:56,880
Brian is thinking he sent it to you, David at

2141
02:15:56,960 --> 02:15:58,479
some point. So I don't know.

2142
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:02,000
Speaker 6: I think Herrington send it to him or something.

2143
02:16:02,119 --> 02:16:05,800
Speaker 5: But oh, Jeff Herrington might have Okay, that's a good clue.

2144
02:16:06,199 --> 02:16:06,600
But if he.

2145
02:16:08,119 --> 02:16:09,880
Speaker 6: You know, if I had his email, I'd be more

2146
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:12,239
happy to send him a I can send him an

2147
02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:15,479
original file. I'll have to dig for it, yeah, years ago,

2148
02:16:16,359 --> 02:16:19,520
but I keep all that stuff on.

2149
02:16:20,640 --> 02:16:25,479
Speaker 5: Well, email that link to David. Jeff's got David's email.

2150
02:16:25,600 --> 02:16:29,439
Can you email that buzz link to David right now?

2151
02:16:30,920 --> 02:16:31,760
That would be awesome.

2152
02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:37,000
Speaker 8: I'm sending him the link to the YouTube page here. Yeah,

2153
02:16:37,639 --> 02:16:40,840
David right now, if he wants, I can give that

2154
02:16:40,959 --> 02:16:44,120
to him. Is this the David Ellis with the ten

2155
02:16:44,200 --> 02:16:47,000
thousand samples? That's the same one.

2156
02:16:47,639 --> 02:16:51,680
Speaker 5: Now. Matt Langford says he's been playing the snow Grove

2157
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:56,319
in Carl SUPs recordings here in Central Texas. Pretty cool

2158
02:16:56,600 --> 02:17:01,239
reactions to them. So if you want to maybe just

2159
02:17:01,639 --> 02:17:04,319
one more little thing in chat and let us know

2160
02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:08,719
what those reactions have been, Matt, that would be cool. Yeah,

2161
02:17:08,760 --> 02:17:11,600
because I've been encouraged people, why not play the hums?

2162
02:17:13,360 --> 02:17:15,280
We we got what you got to lose other than

2163
02:17:15,319 --> 02:17:19,520
your life. We always that was a joke.

2164
02:17:19,959 --> 02:17:22,920
Speaker 10: Nobody has ever died from playing That's a joke.

2165
02:17:23,879 --> 02:17:27,760
Speaker 5: You're going to die anywhere. Unverified crap. That was definitely

2166
02:17:27,840 --> 02:17:32,319
unverified crop. But we you know, once again a lot

2167
02:17:32,399 --> 02:17:36,120
of people have been playing Bigfoot calls for years and

2168
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:38,799
no one has ever tried the hums, So why not?

2169
02:17:41,399 --> 02:17:44,520
Why not? We never know what will unlock some of these,

2170
02:17:44,799 --> 02:17:46,079
uh mysteries.

2171
02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:50,760
Speaker 6: I try to blast in some tuning for frequency tune.

2172
02:17:50,840 --> 02:17:55,239
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Chris, Chris Reinhardt told you know, he brought

2173
02:17:55,280 --> 02:17:56,920
that to my attentions.

2174
02:17:57,120 --> 02:18:01,600
Speaker 6: That's what I'm talking about, Dad, Oh okay, I kind

2175
02:18:01,600 --> 02:18:05,760
of got him confused with Garrington there's too many people

2176
02:18:05,840 --> 02:18:08,639
out there. But yeah, it's been a couple of years,

2177
02:18:09,559 --> 02:18:10,319
maybe a year ago.

2178
02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:11,760
Speaker 5: Did you have any luck at all?

2179
02:18:12,479 --> 02:18:12,600
Speaker 21: Now?

2180
02:18:12,799 --> 02:18:15,440
Speaker 6: I didn't. I did it like, I made a recording

2181
02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:18,079
of it, and I did it like three three times

2182
02:18:18,159 --> 02:18:20,200
and nothing really happens.

2183
02:18:20,360 --> 02:18:25,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, so many times we don't give these new

2184
02:18:25,360 --> 02:18:29,000
methods enough time, you know. And it's easy to understand

2185
02:18:29,239 --> 02:18:33,200
because it's kind of like, yeah, you know, it didn't exactly,

2186
02:18:34,159 --> 02:18:36,360
you don't do anything, so I do it again. But

2187
02:18:36,680 --> 02:18:39,360
yet it could have been the fourth time that all

2188
02:18:39,479 --> 02:18:40,280
hell broke lows.

2189
02:18:41,079 --> 02:18:46,440
Speaker 6: You're probably right. I mean those Tibetan singing bowls. People

2190
02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:54,120
report good stuff with that, Yeah, which is I'd have

2191
02:18:54,200 --> 02:18:56,639
to go. Look, it's out in the garage, put up

2192
02:18:56,680 --> 02:18:59,559
on a shelf, but it's it's a really it was

2193
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:03,000
the low frequency tuning fork that I can get, Yeah,

2194
02:19:03,399 --> 02:19:05,799
and I mean it was big and it had like

2195
02:19:06,479 --> 02:19:07,399
big weights on it.

2196
02:19:07,799 --> 02:19:10,559
Speaker 5: I think they're like forty hurts in that area.

2197
02:19:10,760 --> 02:19:12,000
Speaker 6: That sounds about right.

2198
02:19:12,159 --> 02:19:13,879
Speaker 8: I think Chris Ryan, you have the best luck with

2199
02:19:13,959 --> 02:19:15,799
forty Yeah.

2200
02:19:16,799 --> 02:19:23,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I bought it based on his recommendation. So okay, okay,

2201
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:26,440
while we're waiting here, Brian you're in the cell tower

2202
02:19:26,600 --> 02:19:32,000
business now. I used to do repairs on cell phone

2203
02:19:32,079 --> 02:19:33,680
towers and stuff back in the day.

2204
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:38,799
Speaker 5: So all right, Brian, don't don't, don't leave. We're gonna

2205
02:19:38,799 --> 02:19:41,120
bring them Skippy on to tell us a couple of

2206
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:46,559
ghost stories. But you can hang out please, Yeah I will. Okay, good,

2207
02:19:46,959 --> 02:19:50,920
So let's bring Skippy Johnson on. I don't know anything

2208
02:19:50,959 --> 02:19:55,319
about Skippy Johnson except he's in our back room. He's

2209
02:19:55,360 --> 02:20:00,520
from You're from Minnesota, correct, yep? And oh and I

2210
02:20:00,639 --> 02:20:02,559
can only guess. I'm not going to say where, but

2211
02:20:02,719 --> 02:20:06,840
I can probably guess the town you live in based

2212
02:20:06,920 --> 02:20:10,959
on the kind of work you do Minnesota. Yeah. So,

2213
02:20:12,280 --> 02:20:14,399
but he wrote me a letter and just told me

2214
02:20:14,479 --> 02:20:18,840
a couple of really like whoa stories, and I thought, oh,

2215
02:20:19,120 --> 02:20:21,879
have you on, you can? You can tell them. We'll

2216
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:24,840
get Brian's voice, Brian's golden voice, arrest.

2217
02:20:26,559 --> 02:20:28,680
Speaker 9: We've got the face for radio and the voice for print.

2218
02:20:29,799 --> 02:20:34,200
Speaker 5: So anyhow, so are you currently a president? Do you

2219
02:20:34,399 --> 02:20:35,920
work in the president currently? Yeah?

2220
02:20:36,159 --> 02:20:36,360
Speaker 8: I do.

2221
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:38,639
Speaker 9: When you're your veteran go back again tomorrow?

2222
02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:44,239
Speaker 5: Oh okay? And are these stories first hand stories?

2223
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:47,840
Speaker 9: All of them are first hands, summer secondhand, but a

2224
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:48,879
lot of them are first hands.

2225
02:20:48,959 --> 02:20:51,639
Speaker 5: Okay, well pick the pick the best too, and tell

2226
02:20:51,719 --> 02:20:53,159
us we're all yours. Man.

2227
02:20:53,319 --> 02:20:58,280
Speaker 9: Well, one day there's a secondary fence sister inside the wall, okay,

2228
02:20:58,440 --> 02:21:00,520
for security and stuff. So we have to and checked

2229
02:21:00,520 --> 02:21:02,280
all these zones of the fences. They have temper alarms

2230
02:21:02,319 --> 02:21:04,600
and intentional arms on and stuff. So being one of

2231
02:21:04,799 --> 02:21:07,239
my servants are going out to check these is wintertime,

2232
02:21:07,280 --> 02:21:09,840
there's snow on the ground, it's cold. You're walking between

2233
02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:12,920
the plant ops building and the trash compactor. We just

2234
02:21:12,959 --> 02:21:15,920
see his big black mass goes through the fence, up

2235
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:17,719
the wall, across the top of the wall, down on

2236
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:19,760
the other side and gone. And it went really really fast,

2237
02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:22,879
just just a mass, no real shape or just a mass.

2238
02:21:23,559 --> 02:21:25,520
When I went across the top of the wall, blocked

2239
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:27,840
out to the lights which are eight feet up. You

2240
02:21:27,920 --> 02:21:29,559
couldn't see lay it through it, you know. We we

2241
02:21:29,639 --> 02:21:31,559
called out to control head and checked the footprints. There's

2242
02:21:31,600 --> 02:21:34,159
nothing out there to see. You know.

2243
02:21:34,719 --> 02:21:37,159
Speaker 5: How big was how big was this mass?

2244
02:21:37,719 --> 02:21:39,799
Speaker 9: Well it was the lights on top of the wall

2245
02:21:39,879 --> 02:21:41,159
or eight feet up, and I blocked out to the

2246
02:21:41,239 --> 02:21:42,760
lights when I went across the top. So it's at

2247
02:21:42,840 --> 02:21:47,200
least eight feet tall. What do you do?

2248
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:49,959
Speaker 5: Okay, so when you see something like this, what do

2249
02:21:50,040 --> 02:21:50,600
you think it is?

2250
02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:54,120
Speaker 9: Like some kind of ghostly Well, you know, it went

2251
02:21:54,200 --> 02:21:57,280
through a channeling fence, so I didn't think it was

2252
02:21:57,399 --> 02:22:01,079
human obviously, you know, obviously up the wall really fast

2253
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:02,879
and gone, so you know, I didn't know what it was.

2254
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:04,959
We call those that patrol, had them check for footprints

2255
02:22:04,959 --> 02:22:08,120
in the snow. There's no footprints. You know. We never

2256
02:22:08,159 --> 02:22:09,520
did a report. You think we're insane?

2257
02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:14,399
Speaker 5: Brian? Is there a name for a black mass? What

2258
02:22:14,479 --> 02:22:16,879
do people call them? Shadow meanings?

2259
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:17,959
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2260
02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:22,920
Speaker 6: Shadow, creature, shadow being, Yeah, it's gotta be.

2261
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:26,879
Speaker 5: I mean, I would just first assumption would think, oh,

2262
02:22:26,959 --> 02:22:31,000
it's some kind of an evil entity of some sort.

2263
02:22:30,879 --> 02:22:31,559
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

2264
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:34,000
Speaker 9: What was running away from us? I'm thinking, so it was.

2265
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:37,239
It couldn't have been too scary, you know, that's true.

2266
02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:38,639
Speaker 5: You got a point there.

2267
02:22:38,760 --> 02:22:39,280
Speaker 9: You definitely.

2268
02:22:40,920 --> 02:22:43,360
Speaker 5: Have you ever taken reports of stuff like that? Brian?

2269
02:22:45,399 --> 02:22:48,000
Speaker 6: We actually had something like that happened on one of

2270
02:22:48,079 --> 02:22:49,000
our expeditions.

2271
02:22:49,079 --> 02:22:50,319
Speaker 5: Okay, here we go.

2272
02:22:51,079 --> 02:22:55,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was large and Coleman actually was the one

2273
02:22:55,280 --> 02:23:00,200
that saw it, and that was probably one of our

2274
02:23:01,719 --> 02:23:07,159
first But I would say, paranormal situations that we got into,

2275
02:23:08,040 --> 02:23:12,559
and uh, basically we ended up. He was by himself

2276
02:23:12,639 --> 02:23:14,360
walking up the road and he saw this thing run

2277
02:23:14,399 --> 02:23:18,799
across the road and then he come back and got

2278
02:23:18,920 --> 02:23:20,639
me and we went out there and we was looking

2279
02:23:20,680 --> 02:23:22,840
for stuff because I was looking for a bigfoot, you know,

2280
02:23:24,120 --> 02:23:27,799
and I brought my thermal and that's that's actually when

2281
02:23:27,840 --> 02:23:32,319
we caught the whisper audio. We had an audio recorder

2282
02:23:32,440 --> 02:23:35,040
set up, you know, right close to where we were at,

2283
02:23:35,879 --> 02:23:40,040
and that's where it was. And uh, but whatever it was,

2284
02:23:40,159 --> 02:23:42,280
it but he saw it running across the road and

2285
02:23:42,959 --> 02:23:46,799
it kind of freaked him out. And uh, but anyway,

2286
02:23:46,920 --> 02:23:50,520
that's that's that was. He said it was humanoid. He

2287
02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:53,000
said that it was upright, it was bipedal, and he

2288
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:55,799
said that he could see the legs and wow, and

2289
02:23:56,600 --> 02:23:58,440
but he said it was black and it was kind

2290
02:23:58,479 --> 02:24:01,840
of blurry and uh. But the weird thing was is,

2291
02:24:02,239 --> 02:24:03,959
you know, we got over there and we scanned with

2292
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:07,840
the thermals and we never picked anything up. But instead

2293
02:24:07,879 --> 02:24:11,440
of we assumed that whatever it was it left the area.

2294
02:24:11,719 --> 02:24:14,159
But that wasn't actually the case because what it did

2295
02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:17,360
was is it actually instead of leaving it it closed

2296
02:24:17,360 --> 02:24:20,680
the gap and it moved in closer to camp, and

2297
02:24:21,639 --> 02:24:25,319
you know, no fear whatsoever. And so we walked right

2298
02:24:25,479 --> 02:24:30,120
by these things, walking out to where he had seen

2299
02:24:30,159 --> 02:24:32,520
this thing, and then we were Thurman didn't see anything.

2300
02:24:32,680 --> 02:24:35,639
I I wish I could tell you one hundred percent

2301
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:39,360
that I turned around and I ran my thermal camera

2302
02:24:39,600 --> 02:24:42,479
back over the area closer to camp. But I don't

2303
02:24:42,559 --> 02:24:46,879
remember if I did or not. But I still think

2304
02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:52,440
that I should have seen something on thermal, but I

2305
02:24:52,879 --> 02:24:54,600
just it was kind of one of those things. We

2306
02:24:54,680 --> 02:24:57,559
didn't know that we'd gotten the whispers and stuff like

2307
02:24:57,680 --> 02:25:00,159
that till after we got back, and it was like

2308
02:25:00,239 --> 02:25:01,520
two weeks later when I was working.

2309
02:25:04,079 --> 02:25:07,680
Speaker 5: So obviously skippy this, this is obviously a real thing.

2310
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:11,879
I have heard other reports. There was a similar story

2311
02:25:12,079 --> 02:25:16,079
reported on Monster Quest here about two months ago. You

2312
02:25:16,159 --> 02:25:19,040
might want to check that episode out because I think

2313
02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:22,719
most of the episode is on these black masses.

2314
02:25:23,639 --> 02:25:25,879
Speaker 9: This didn't have a shape, you know, I couln't say,

2315
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:30,520
just you know, a black mass. I can't see it

2316
02:25:30,559 --> 02:25:32,200
was a certain sheep or anything, but it's just a

2317
02:25:32,239 --> 02:25:32,719
black mass.

2318
02:25:33,319 --> 02:25:33,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2319
02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:34,040
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2320
02:25:35,719 --> 02:25:35,840
Speaker 10: Uh?

2321
02:25:36,559 --> 02:25:40,600
Speaker 5: And did it did it scare anybody? I mean, was

2322
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:41,920
anybody scared after this.

2323
02:25:42,559 --> 02:25:45,200
Speaker 9: You were just surprised because you know, you don't expect

2324
02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:46,600
to see anything else. We're the only two in the

2325
02:25:46,639 --> 02:25:48,639
yard at the time. You know, she's go through a

2326
02:25:48,680 --> 02:25:51,000
fence and up and there shouldn't have been anything there.

2327
02:25:51,559 --> 02:25:51,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2328
02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:53,719
Speaker 9: I just kind of shocked this more than anything else.

2329
02:25:54,719 --> 02:25:57,639
I wasn't scared. The scary parts. When you're looking down

2330
02:25:57,959 --> 02:25:59,920
the one of the gates to the tunnels under the

2331
02:26:00,040 --> 02:26:01,360
under the prison, there's a light in the back of

2332
02:26:01,399 --> 02:26:03,280
the tunnel back and you see a head polke on

2333
02:26:03,319 --> 02:26:05,719
once in a while looking at you. That's a look creepy.

2334
02:26:06,280 --> 02:26:10,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, So tell us another crazy story that's happened to you.

2335
02:26:10,360 --> 02:26:12,680
Speaker 9: Well, one time I was working a segregation on overnights

2336
02:26:13,079 --> 02:26:15,040
and we had a guy that hung himself and saw

2337
02:26:15,040 --> 02:26:18,200
four thirty five didn't make it. Well, like four five

2338
02:26:18,239 --> 02:26:20,159
years later, I'm working overnights and stuff, and like two

2339
02:26:20,159 --> 02:26:21,920
o'clock in the morning, some guys are yelling, see O

2340
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:23,399
see you get this guy of myself? But you know

2341
02:26:23,479 --> 02:26:25,280
on there, like, what are you talking about, dude? He

2342
02:26:25,399 --> 02:26:27,319
described to Tea the guy that hung himself in that

2343
02:26:27,399 --> 02:26:29,559
cell like five years earlier, sitting on the end of

2344
02:26:29,600 --> 02:26:31,840
his bunk. No way you could known what the guy

2345
02:26:31,879 --> 02:26:36,200
looked like, you know, would you that was pred but

2346
02:26:36,559 --> 02:26:38,920
but you know what he looked like, it looked like

2347
02:26:38,959 --> 02:26:41,680
and stuff. Yeah, he described him to a T. You know,

2348
02:26:42,120 --> 02:26:44,239
there's no way you know, he probably didn't have no click.

2349
02:26:44,600 --> 02:26:47,239
Guy even hung himself in that cell. You know, he

2350
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:49,520
know what it looks like. He described him to a

2351
02:26:49,559 --> 02:26:51,239
T sitting in the end of his bunk. And they're

2352
02:26:51,239 --> 02:26:54,200
all single cells in segregation, so you shouldn't been anybody

2353
02:26:54,200 --> 02:26:55,040
else in the cell with him.

2354
02:26:55,920 --> 02:27:00,479
Speaker 5: That's uh, that's yeah. It's beyond a going incidents.

2355
02:27:01,959 --> 02:27:03,959
Speaker 9: There's no just thing as a coincidence in life. Everything

2356
02:27:04,040 --> 02:27:04,440
is your reason.

2357
02:27:04,799 --> 02:27:09,040
Speaker 5: No, so how many so how many total like weird

2358
02:27:09,239 --> 02:27:10,680
things have you heard about?

2359
02:27:10,959 --> 02:27:14,520
Speaker 9: Oh gosh, how many have you seen myself? I mean

2360
02:27:14,600 --> 02:27:17,479
there's you know, the black masks, you know, seahouse, I

2361
02:27:17,559 --> 02:27:19,479
mean doing arounds and n ee house and stuff. He

2362
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:20,959
see feet going on the back side of the unit.

2363
02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:22,319
Is you're doing their ounds. You're the only one in

2364
02:27:22,399 --> 02:27:26,920
there walking around. You're walking down the gally of Gally

2365
02:27:27,040 --> 02:27:30,280
thirty thirty eight nine in ehouse, it like somebody's running

2366
02:27:30,319 --> 02:27:31,840
behind you. If you turn around to be a face

2367
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:34,639
like right here, you could just feel their age if

2368
02:27:34,680 --> 02:27:36,440
you could turn up the gally to do it. You know,

2369
02:27:36,840 --> 02:27:39,920
stuff like that happens a lot. Uh, there's one of

2370
02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:42,079
the early cooks in the kitchen. We'd get me down there,

2371
02:27:42,120 --> 02:27:43,680
get in the kitchen ready to go for in the morning.

2372
02:27:43,719 --> 02:27:45,879
He's the only person down there, and they open up

2373
02:27:45,920 --> 02:27:47,319
the door for the center shop and the door just

2374
02:27:47,479 --> 02:27:49,799
slam shut. I mean, you know, not just coming loose

2375
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:53,079
and shutting it, I mean slam shut. Wow, there's the

2376
02:27:53,879 --> 02:27:55,840
door on the on the big They get a huge

2377
02:27:55,879 --> 02:27:58,280
oven in there for making bread and stuff, and they

2378
02:27:58,360 --> 02:28:01,520
keep the door shutting and looking the camera the doors open.

2379
02:28:02,079 --> 02:28:04,680
Cook goes back their shut store again, latches at the top,

2380
02:28:04,799 --> 02:28:06,600
latches on the door, and then hears the door open

2381
02:28:06,680 --> 02:28:08,559
up again. You know, nothing should have been back to

2382
02:28:08,639 --> 02:28:11,079
open it. You know, it opened the latches and opened

2383
02:28:11,079 --> 02:28:14,639
the door. Now that happens a lot. Just I mean,

2384
02:28:14,680 --> 02:28:18,159
there's so many things just a corner copy of of

2385
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:22,840
of stuff. Now they the inmates say they hear a

2386
02:28:22,920 --> 02:28:26,040
baby crying an the house. And back in the twenties

2387
02:28:26,079 --> 02:28:27,959
and thirties, I think it was they actually house women

2388
02:28:28,079 --> 02:28:30,840
in the houses in the prison and there was a

2389
02:28:30,920 --> 02:28:32,879
baby and baby Joan that died as a beardy cross

2390
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:35,920
road in the cemetery. You know, they hear that once

2391
02:28:35,920 --> 02:28:37,840
in a while, you hear story about inmates. You mean,

2392
02:28:38,440 --> 02:28:41,280
like I call it sleep proalysis, where they can't get

2393
02:28:41,360 --> 02:28:44,040
up from the beds, like something's holding them down. Stuff. Yeah,

2394
02:28:44,399 --> 02:28:45,399
it makes see a lot of stuff.

2395
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:50,719
Speaker 5: So what have you seen though, Well, the masks and

2396
02:28:50,879 --> 02:28:52,239
the mask.

2397
02:28:52,200 --> 02:28:53,479
Speaker 9: The head peeking around the corner.

2398
02:28:53,559 --> 02:28:56,040
Speaker 5: Stuff, you know, tell us, tell you we want more

2399
02:28:56,120 --> 02:28:58,799
details on the corner.

2400
02:28:59,120 --> 02:29:01,479
Speaker 9: Doing doing some round inside the yard and stuff. There's

2401
02:29:01,479 --> 02:29:04,079
alwasnse fla the shop. There's a big gate for the

2402
02:29:04,120 --> 02:29:06,120
tunnels under the prison stuff, you know, big Bard gate,

2403
02:29:06,200 --> 02:29:08,000
so you know you don't go past that. You looked

2404
02:29:08,040 --> 02:29:09,479
on the gate. There's a light in the back of

2405
02:29:09,559 --> 02:29:12,280
the tunnel tunnel back there and stuff. So you're looking

2406
02:29:12,319 --> 02:29:13,920
back there, checking the locks and stuff on the gate,

2407
02:29:13,959 --> 02:29:15,440
make sure everything's secured. And you look down there and

2408
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:17,600
it looks like your head peaks up from the corner

2409
02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:19,959
and goes back, and then peaks out and goes back.

2410
02:29:20,639 --> 02:29:22,319
It happens like three or four times and stuff. And

2411
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:24,440
I've had that, but happened on multiple occasions.

2412
02:29:24,200 --> 02:29:26,079
Speaker 5: And there cannot be any people back there.

2413
02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:28,680
Speaker 9: Back there, Yeah, it's everything's secured. All the inmates are

2414
02:29:28,680 --> 02:29:30,719
locked in. There's you know, you have to get special

2415
02:29:30,799 --> 02:29:32,319
keys to get back there and stuff. The keys aren't

2416
02:29:32,319 --> 02:29:36,000
out and stuff. So yeah, nobody's back there. Yeah, it's

2417
02:29:36,239 --> 02:29:37,879
it's crazy, creepy and creepy.

2418
02:29:38,600 --> 02:29:41,520
Speaker 5: Is there bad Okay, Like David just said, there's a

2419
02:29:41,600 --> 02:29:45,840
lot of bad energy and all huge prisons, huge y yes,

2420
02:29:46,159 --> 02:29:51,600
I can only imagine. Yeah, do you ever bring anything home?

2421
02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:56,959
Speaker 9: And you know, we've had a lot of stuff happened.

2422
02:29:57,000 --> 02:29:59,719
I guess I A lot of it happened before I

2423
02:29:59,719 --> 02:30:03,639
started working there, you know, so it was afterwards, but possibly.

2424
02:30:03,719 --> 02:30:05,639
Speaker 5: So have you had stuff happen at home? Though?

2425
02:30:06,319 --> 02:30:08,280
Speaker 9: I was sitting at home one day and I was

2426
02:30:08,319 --> 02:30:10,680
sitting on the bed, just pulled some wander out of

2427
02:30:10,680 --> 02:30:12,200
the dryer, had the laundry sitting on the bed. I

2428
02:30:12,239 --> 02:30:13,639
was starting to pull stuff and look over at the

2429
02:30:13,639 --> 02:30:16,719
closet and just see remember the predator in the movie

2430
02:30:17,479 --> 02:30:21,120
with Arnold Schwarsinger kind of had that that changing.

2431
02:30:21,440 --> 02:30:21,840
Speaker 5: You were.

2432
02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:25,920
Speaker 9: Foot and it went across the room and the blind

2433
02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:28,239
on the windows shook. The windows were opening, but the

2434
02:30:28,280 --> 02:30:31,200
blind shook. So I don't know what that was that

2435
02:30:31,239 --> 02:30:31,680
happened to me.

2436
02:30:32,639 --> 02:30:34,879
Speaker 5: Why you got me?

2437
02:30:35,799 --> 02:30:39,040
Speaker 9: You got me? My mom was gaily, what was that?

2438
02:30:41,000 --> 02:30:42,239
Speaker 5: Uh? When did it happen?

2439
02:30:42,959 --> 02:30:49,000
Speaker 9: That was probably twelve fifteen years ago? Okay, wow, living

2440
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:52,440
on twenty seven, that's a time. So my mom her

2441
02:30:52,520 --> 02:30:55,200
family back in the nineteen eighteen sixty four, I think

2442
02:30:55,239 --> 02:30:59,479
it was my grandpa would out and shot himself, my

2443
02:30:59,559 --> 02:31:02,719
grandma and for my mom's brothers and sisters. Right. So

2444
02:31:02,920 --> 02:31:06,200
my niece who lives in North Carolina, it just had

2445
02:31:06,200 --> 02:31:07,760
a baby and stuff. So her mom and grandma go

2446
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:09,559
out to visit stuff. So they goes this They had

2447
02:31:10,040 --> 02:31:12,840
this big folk festival going on and stuff. So they

2448
02:31:12,879 --> 02:31:15,959
go see this person who in Portutellian and stands and whatnot.

2449
02:31:16,680 --> 02:31:18,440
And he asked a couple of times during during the show,

2450
02:31:18,479 --> 02:31:20,479
you know, it's anybody here from Minnesota. So my niece

2451
02:31:20,479 --> 02:31:22,959
friendly raised her hand, Yeah we are. He says, would

2452
02:31:22,959 --> 02:31:24,760
you mind sticking around? I've got a couple of questions.

2453
02:31:24,559 --> 02:31:25,200
Speaker 5: I'd like to ask you.

2454
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:26,440
Speaker 9: I don't want to ask in front of the whole

2455
02:31:26,440 --> 02:31:29,120
group and stuff. The stick around and stuff. So everybody

2456
02:31:29,120 --> 02:31:31,840
else leaves and he says yeah, I've got some people

2457
02:31:31,879 --> 02:31:33,680
here there are talking to me. I've got a guy

2458
02:31:33,799 --> 02:31:36,319
he keeps apologizing. He's seeing he's so sorry, so sorry

2459
02:31:36,319 --> 02:31:38,200
for what he did. He's so sorry. I have a

2460
02:31:38,239 --> 02:31:39,479
lady here has got a pain in her head and

2461
02:31:39,479 --> 02:31:40,799
a painter her side. She was holding her head and

2462
02:31:40,799 --> 02:31:43,120
her side, talking about how she loves her rhubarb and stuff,

2463
02:31:43,159 --> 02:31:46,120
and you know, just wondering what's all going on. And

2464
02:31:46,239 --> 02:31:50,079
for the little kids. Well, you know, my grandpa, you know,

2465
02:31:50,840 --> 02:31:53,440
obviously apologizes and my grandma, I'm assuming as my grandma

2466
02:31:54,040 --> 02:31:56,239
had a huge, huge garden. The whole set of garden

2467
02:31:56,360 --> 02:31:58,600
was all solid lutle burb and she just loved the

2468
02:31:58,639 --> 02:32:00,920
ruburb and stuff. And then you know, he had a

2469
02:32:00,959 --> 02:32:02,920
bunch of details and stuff that nobody in the family

2470
02:32:02,959 --> 02:32:04,920
talks about this at all. So my niece gets done,

2471
02:32:05,399 --> 02:32:07,719
calls my mom and says, he and nanak, you know

2472
02:32:07,799 --> 02:32:09,959
this happened. Can ask you a couple of questions. So

2473
02:32:10,159 --> 02:32:11,879
she asked her all the questions and everything, and the

2474
02:32:11,920 --> 02:32:13,879
guy pointed out was it was right on the money,

2475
02:32:14,600 --> 02:32:16,799
did true? And you know, nobody talks about this in

2476
02:32:16,840 --> 02:32:18,799
the family. My niece didn't know what I didn't know it.

2477
02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:20,920
You know, he couldn't have got it from her by

2478
02:32:21,680 --> 02:32:23,760
asking questions and stuff because she doesn't know any of

2479
02:32:23,760 --> 02:32:26,200
the answers. But yeah, he know all these details and

2480
02:32:26,239 --> 02:32:28,920
stuff about this situation from nineteen sixty four.

2481
02:32:31,159 --> 02:32:33,399
Speaker 5: Did you ever hear any big foot stories from up there?

2482
02:32:33,840 --> 02:32:34,319
Up north?

2483
02:32:35,399 --> 02:32:38,920
Speaker 9: I have a coworker who hunts Wayne quite a way

2484
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:42,600
up in northern Minnesota. He both hunts and he's I

2485
02:32:42,639 --> 02:32:45,639
mean he's way he's not near anything close. I mean

2486
02:32:45,680 --> 02:32:48,239
there's nothing by him, and he swears up and down

2487
02:32:48,280 --> 02:32:51,600
he heard woodknock you out there once. You know, I

2488
02:32:51,680 --> 02:32:53,479
do a lot of girls thinking up in the Task County.

2489
02:32:53,559 --> 02:32:55,600
I've never seen a bigfoot. I've never heard a big

2490
02:32:55,639 --> 02:32:57,120
foot or anything I thought was a big foot. You know,

2491
02:32:57,159 --> 02:32:59,799
I believe in the phenomenon one hundre percent, but I've

2492
02:32:59,799 --> 02:33:04,239
never experience of myself. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, there's there's

2493
02:33:04,239 --> 02:33:06,680
stuff what here we don't understand. There's stuff we have

2494
02:33:06,879 --> 02:33:07,760
no concept about.

2495
02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:11,840
Speaker 5: Oh no, that's true. And the weird creature I saw

2496
02:33:13,479 --> 02:33:19,000
swooping our car wasn't too far from where you live, wonderful,

2497
02:33:19,319 --> 02:33:20,520
pretty pretty close.

2498
02:33:20,680 --> 02:33:24,559
Speaker 9: In fact, I clipped the deer with my pickup truck.

2499
02:33:24,600 --> 02:33:26,239
It would have had been helpful to have him take

2500
02:33:26,239 --> 02:33:26,959
the deer in front of me.

2501
02:33:27,399 --> 02:33:32,879
Speaker 5: Oh jeez, all right, you can just stick just stick around, Skippy.

2502
02:33:33,319 --> 02:33:36,559
We're going to talk a little more to Brian here.

2503
02:33:36,600 --> 02:33:37,479
Speaker 11: I don't know what time is.

2504
02:33:37,559 --> 02:33:39,200
Speaker 5: We're gonna have to write. We'll wrap up. We've got

2505
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:44,920
about fifteen minutes left here and stick around Brian. Sure,

2506
02:33:46,239 --> 02:33:51,000
So we haven't really talked about Bigfoot much. What do

2507
02:33:51,120 --> 02:33:53,600
you think they are? Do you think they're just you know,

2508
02:33:53,719 --> 02:33:57,440
they seem more plausible to be just a flesh and

2509
02:33:57,639 --> 02:34:02,840
blood creature than a dog man, But maybe they're both

2510
02:34:02,879 --> 02:34:05,360
flesh and blood. If you had to bet ten bucks

2511
02:34:05,559 --> 02:34:09,200
right now on flesh and blood, on dog man and

2512
02:34:09,319 --> 02:34:13,440
Bigfoot or pure normal, what would you what would you do?

2513
02:34:15,360 --> 02:34:18,879
Speaker 6: I would probably lean more towards flesh and blood. Yeah,

2514
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:23,600
you know, that's just my personal opinion. And but then again,

2515
02:34:23,680 --> 02:34:25,399
it's like, how much of that is what I want

2516
02:34:25,440 --> 02:34:25,760
it to be?

2517
02:34:26,879 --> 02:34:27,079
Speaker 5: You know?

2518
02:34:27,639 --> 02:34:29,879
Speaker 6: What am I comfortable with? I have run into some

2519
02:34:29,959 --> 02:34:34,239
pretty weird stuff, but you know I'm not you know,

2520
02:34:35,200 --> 02:34:39,920
the weird stuff bears very little physical evidence, and so

2521
02:34:40,079 --> 02:34:41,920
that's the part that I kind of struggle with. And

2522
02:34:42,040 --> 02:34:45,559
so whenever you've got something that ain't leaving no physical evidence,

2523
02:34:45,639 --> 02:34:49,159
you've got to ask yourself, you know, questions like, well,

2524
02:34:49,879 --> 02:34:55,000
how much of this was misinterpretation on my part, you know,

2525
02:34:55,280 --> 02:34:59,079
or or the you know, the people, Yeah, that's I agree.

2526
02:34:59,719 --> 02:35:04,159
They I'm thinking I'm leaning more towards really commonoids, you know,

2527
02:35:04,280 --> 02:35:08,680
And I always tell people when it comes to sasquats especially,

2528
02:35:08,879 --> 02:35:11,680
you know, you know, what was it, you know, one

2529
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:14,879
hundred thousand years ago, you know, we picked up the club,

2530
02:35:15,360 --> 02:35:17,520
you know, and we found that a club was very

2531
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:21,680
handy for protecting ourselves. And and our line of thinking

2532
02:35:21,799 --> 02:35:26,040
has been involved around this technology for thousands and thousands

2533
02:35:26,120 --> 02:35:29,079
of years, and it's turned into you know, all all

2534
02:35:29,159 --> 02:35:31,959
of this stuff that we have now, our tech, you know,

2535
02:35:32,760 --> 02:35:36,840
but all of that started The direction that we took,

2536
02:35:37,159 --> 02:35:39,520
you know, one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand years ago,

2537
02:35:39,639 --> 02:35:45,120
with our technology was basically centered around defending ourselves against

2538
02:35:45,200 --> 02:35:48,479
creatures that were larger and faster and more vicious than us.

2539
02:35:49,360 --> 02:35:52,399
But what if you never had to do that? What

2540
02:35:52,520 --> 02:35:56,719
if what if you weren't naturally the alpha, you know

2541
02:35:56,840 --> 02:35:59,520
in the woods. What if you were so large that

2542
02:35:59,600 --> 02:36:02,239
you didn't need to clothe yourself, and you didn't need

2543
02:36:02,360 --> 02:36:06,719
to build houses to protect yourselves from millards. I mean,

2544
02:36:06,920 --> 02:36:12,040
the line of thinking would be completely different, you know,

2545
02:36:12,200 --> 02:36:14,360
the things that you dwell upon once you have a

2546
02:36:14,440 --> 02:36:18,079
full tummy. It would have been completely different than what

2547
02:36:18,360 --> 02:36:23,079
our line of thinking has always been traditionally. So in

2548
02:36:23,319 --> 02:36:28,840
a way, they would have developed technology that was completely

2549
02:36:28,879 --> 02:36:32,440
different than ours. And it could be around a nature

2550
02:36:32,600 --> 02:36:35,319
type technology and the end to stuff.

2551
02:36:35,120 --> 02:36:38,280
Speaker 5: And like a superability I guess yeah.

2552
02:36:38,360 --> 02:36:40,440
Speaker 6: I mean, take take a look at what a chameleon

2553
02:36:40,559 --> 02:36:44,040
can do and the way that octopuses and you know,

2554
02:36:44,200 --> 02:36:50,239
can change colors like gals. Yeah, I mean the nature. Yeah,

2555
02:36:50,479 --> 02:36:55,799
Nature's full of crazy stuff that developed, you know, over

2556
02:36:56,120 --> 02:36:59,399
thousands and thousands of years. Who's to say that you

2557
02:36:59,479 --> 02:37:01,760
know the stuff that they do just because we don't

2558
02:37:01,840 --> 02:37:03,959
understand it, That doesn't mean that it comes from the

2559
02:37:04,040 --> 02:37:08,799
fourth dimension, right, I mean, it's just we have a

2560
02:37:09,159 --> 02:37:12,680
problem admitting that we don't understand and we don't know everything.

2561
02:37:13,559 --> 02:37:17,239
That's one of our human failures and menst all of

2562
02:37:17,319 --> 02:37:19,600
us is we we just we have a hard time

2563
02:37:19,639 --> 02:37:24,040
staying I don't know, and so who knows?

2564
02:37:24,879 --> 02:37:25,079
Speaker 5: You know?

2565
02:37:25,840 --> 02:37:28,879
Speaker 6: There you go, so what do you think they are skippy.

2566
02:37:29,399 --> 02:37:31,760
Speaker 5: You hear all these stories, you've been in the back room,

2567
02:37:32,520 --> 02:37:34,760
doc man, do you believe dogmen are real? Do you

2568
02:37:34,840 --> 02:37:35,879
believe Bigfoot's real?

2569
02:37:36,159 --> 02:37:36,319
Speaker 10: Yeah?

2570
02:37:36,319 --> 02:37:38,799
Speaker 9: I've never had any experience with dog man Bigfoot. You know,

2571
02:37:38,840 --> 02:37:40,799
there's too many cultures and too many different parts of

2572
02:37:40,840 --> 02:37:43,000
the plant that didn't have any communication each other that

2573
02:37:43,440 --> 02:37:44,399
experienced the same thing.

2574
02:37:44,760 --> 02:37:44,959
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2575
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:48,719
Speaker 9: Good, And I just I'm convinced there's not just things

2576
02:37:48,760 --> 02:37:51,399
a coincidence. Everything's for a reason, you know. I just

2577
02:37:53,719 --> 02:37:56,479
there's tens of thousands of sightings in this country alone

2578
02:37:56,479 --> 02:37:59,479
of Bigfoot. Yeah, you know, and in order for all

2579
02:38:00,040 --> 02:38:03,120
either it has to be either all hoaxed or even

2580
02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:05,360
if there's just one real. You know, if if I

2581
02:38:05,479 --> 02:38:07,040
was trying to convict some of and murder right now,

2582
02:38:07,360 --> 02:38:08,799
I could take all the big Foot evidence and that

2583
02:38:08,799 --> 02:38:11,360
could put him in prison for life, you know. But

2584
02:38:11,479 --> 02:38:14,639
until we have a body, you're not gonna convince nine

2585
02:38:15,079 --> 02:38:16,840
of the people out there that is real. You need

2586
02:38:16,920 --> 02:38:18,559
a body for it. Even then you're gonna have somebody

2587
02:38:18,639 --> 02:38:21,600
Oh it's fake, you know, just like millions. You know, Yeah,

2588
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:22,159
it is what it is.

2589
02:38:23,000 --> 02:38:25,200
Speaker 5: But what do you think, Brian, what do you think

2590
02:38:25,239 --> 02:38:27,159
it's going to take. How do you think this mystery

2591
02:38:27,280 --> 02:38:29,879
is going to end? If ever, do you think it

2592
02:38:30,000 --> 02:38:30,440
might end.

2593
02:38:32,680 --> 02:38:36,920
Speaker 6: I don't think it's going to end anytime soon. That's

2594
02:38:37,280 --> 02:38:40,360
that's where I'm probably kind of different from everybody else.

2595
02:38:40,440 --> 02:38:44,559
I actually think that the fact that the mystery keeps

2596
02:38:44,639 --> 02:38:48,959
going on, I think it's good. I think it's intentional.

2597
02:38:49,319 --> 02:38:52,600
I think that if we did discover Bigfoot, I think

2598
02:38:52,639 --> 02:38:55,079
it would be the beginning of the end for them,

2599
02:38:55,600 --> 02:39:04,239
you know, because you know, nothing touch thrives. You have

2600
02:39:04,479 --> 02:39:12,719
a point there, Well, we've got you know, thousands, Yeah, yeah,

2601
02:39:13,479 --> 02:39:17,399
we uh. We we discover new species and we kill them.

2602
02:39:18,079 --> 02:39:21,239
That's what we do. And so I don't think that

2603
02:39:21,440 --> 02:39:25,159
becoming known is a good thing. And that's with all cryptids.

2604
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:29,479
So I think they're better off, you know, and we've

2605
02:39:29,559 --> 02:39:31,200
we've really kind of gone full circle.

2606
02:39:31,520 --> 02:39:31,719
Speaker 7: You know.

2607
02:39:31,879 --> 02:39:33,479
Speaker 6: It's like we live in a day and time where

2608
02:39:33,879 --> 02:39:37,040
even if I did get like the best four k,

2609
02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:40,440
sixty frames per second video footage that you ever saw,

2610
02:39:41,360 --> 02:39:44,639
you know, you wouldn't believe it. And so there's no

2611
02:39:44,760 --> 02:39:47,840
sense of me putting something like that out on on

2612
02:39:48,319 --> 02:39:50,040
social media for people to look at.

2613
02:39:50,200 --> 02:39:53,920
Speaker 5: Because we obviously some would, but many wouldn't. And I agree,

2614
02:39:54,559 --> 02:39:56,520
oh yeah, but you would create a war.

2615
02:39:57,440 --> 02:39:59,280
Speaker 6: Well, it's kind of the same reason why a lot

2616
02:39:59,360 --> 02:40:03,000
of my audio stuff is in public. It's like, man,

2617
02:40:03,079 --> 02:40:07,239
I don't really feel like spending you know, sixteen seventeen

2618
02:40:07,360 --> 02:40:11,079
hours defending it in the comment. You know, I don't

2619
02:40:11,120 --> 02:40:12,920
want to go to war with somebody. I mean, every

2620
02:40:12,959 --> 02:40:15,719
time I put something like that out, you know, every

2621
02:40:15,760 --> 02:40:17,760
time we do it, like a little documentary, we will

2622
02:40:17,799 --> 02:40:21,120
throw in a couple of little audio segments or something,

2623
02:40:21,200 --> 02:40:24,399
you know, and every time it's like, I'm I'm doing

2624
02:40:24,440 --> 02:40:28,040
the keyboard warrior thing trying to keep it from saying

2625
02:40:28,159 --> 02:40:32,799
horrible things in the comments. They obviously have never gotten

2626
02:40:32,879 --> 02:40:38,479
off of their couch, you know, and so it's it's

2627
02:40:38,600 --> 02:40:41,000
just it's like, what do I want to go to

2628
02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:44,840
war on? That's that's what we put in our documentaries.

2629
02:40:46,079 --> 02:40:48,799
It's like the stuff that we think is valuable enough

2630
02:40:48,959 --> 02:40:52,760
that we're willing to take heat just to get it

2631
02:40:52,840 --> 02:40:55,159
out there, so that people that really do care about

2632
02:40:55,200 --> 02:40:58,959
this stuff, you know, they'll have that to look at.

2633
02:40:59,000 --> 02:41:02,000
It's like the it's like the Whispers audio that we

2634
02:41:02,159 --> 02:41:06,680
put in to our first documentary, The Whispers in the woods.

2635
02:41:07,440 --> 02:41:10,959
We actually spent a considerable amount of time arguing about

2636
02:41:11,000 --> 02:41:13,120
whether or not we really wanted to put that out there.

2637
02:41:14,120 --> 02:41:17,200
We decided that the truth was the truth, and we

2638
02:41:17,399 --> 02:41:19,639
just you got to put it out there, you know,

2639
02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:21,959
damn the torpedoes. You got to put it out there,

2640
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:25,040
because there could be other people out there who are

2641
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:28,239
in possession of audio segments that are similar to that

2642
02:41:29,040 --> 02:41:31,920
that they need to hear that, you know, they need

2643
02:41:32,000 --> 02:41:34,000
to know that somebody else out there has caught something

2644
02:41:34,079 --> 02:41:37,959
weird like that too, so and it's just you just

2645
02:41:38,040 --> 02:41:39,600
got to do it. You got to buy the home.

2646
02:41:41,440 --> 02:41:45,040
Speaker 5: Now. The one thing I think about often is whether

2647
02:41:45,200 --> 02:41:50,000
the government knows or doesn't know on the reality of

2648
02:41:50,079 --> 02:41:52,520
these things. You would think that they would at least

2649
02:41:52,639 --> 02:41:56,120
have studied them, or you know what I mean, had

2650
02:41:56,159 --> 02:41:59,000
a group and had some funding, or maybe there still

2651
02:41:59,120 --> 02:42:01,040
is a group of people all that do nothing but

2652
02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:05,840
take reports and collect data. Why. I don't know. Why

2653
02:42:05,959 --> 02:42:11,360
not you you had no end of your pocket? What

2654
02:42:11,479 --> 02:42:13,239
do you think, Brian, what do you think, Skippy?

2655
02:42:13,799 --> 02:42:15,760
Speaker 9: Well, look at like mountaint Helens and Mount Helens you

2656
02:42:15,760 --> 02:42:17,680
re upted. You know, there's stories of if they're being

2657
02:42:17,719 --> 02:42:20,000
wounded Bigfoot on the on the slopes of Mount Hints

2658
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:23,040
Saint Helens. The government hooped in and took them off away.

2659
02:42:22,879 --> 02:42:23,000
Speaker 14: You know.

2660
02:42:23,760 --> 02:42:27,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I mean, that's what people claim. Yeah, I mean,

2661
02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:28,920
but you know.

2662
02:42:30,399 --> 02:42:32,840
Speaker 9: The stories about that. You know, there's stories about you know,

2663
02:42:32,920 --> 02:42:36,159
there's young girls and stuff with they have that like

2664
02:42:37,639 --> 02:42:41,079
what would you call it paranoid or paranormal activity in

2665
02:42:41,079 --> 02:42:42,719
the house. I think it's like a poultry gust or something.

2666
02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:47,079
It's traced back to usually a younger teenage female with

2667
02:42:47,239 --> 02:42:49,600
the emotional stuff going on, and and and they're actually

2668
02:42:51,239 --> 02:42:53,680
you've opened them stuff the stuff themselves, you know. Yeah,

2669
02:42:54,799 --> 02:42:57,360
you know, who knows. Maybe maybe it's all interconnected like that.

2670
02:42:58,159 --> 02:43:01,079
Speaker 5: Well, it sounds like you're kind of into the paranormal skivvy.

2671
02:43:01,879 --> 02:43:04,360
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I'm getting more and more every day. It's

2672
02:43:04,440 --> 02:43:07,920
it's interesting that the Palmer house one day and check

2673
02:43:08,040 --> 02:43:08,319
that out.

2674
02:43:08,760 --> 02:43:11,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's you know, there's nothing wrong with it,

2675
02:43:11,920 --> 02:43:16,239
because curiosity of any type is a good thing because

2676
02:43:16,280 --> 02:43:19,920
it feel alive a lot of Hey, that's why you're

2677
02:43:19,959 --> 02:43:22,559
on the podcast, because you're curious when you.

2678
02:43:22,520 --> 02:43:26,920
Speaker 9: Hear something really creepy. Yeah, sure, I have an obvious

2679
02:43:27,239 --> 02:43:29,440
obuloust app on my phone. It's like a word generator

2680
02:43:29,479 --> 02:43:31,879
for the spirits are supposed to be able to generate words. Yeah,

2681
02:43:32,200 --> 02:43:33,760
so I'm just playing around with it one day. And

2682
02:43:33,879 --> 02:43:36,719
also it says, camera, what do I have sitting on

2683
02:43:36,799 --> 02:43:39,879
my lap my DSLR camera? Because I was taking hummingbird pictures?

2684
02:43:40,559 --> 02:43:46,639
Speaker 5: Okay, you know pictures. That's interesting and we're talking about the.

2685
02:43:46,680 --> 02:43:49,559
Speaker 9: Hum Yeah, but you know, I mean, of all the

2686
02:43:49,639 --> 02:43:51,319
things that of all the words to pick from, it

2687
02:43:51,399 --> 02:43:53,200
said camera, Well, I had the cameras in my lap.

2688
02:43:53,639 --> 02:43:54,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is interesting.

2689
02:43:56,840 --> 02:43:59,280
Speaker 8: Speaking speaking of camera, I got to mention this because

2690
02:43:59,280 --> 02:44:03,799
it's so cool that Brian has behind him Kodak K

2691
02:44:03,959 --> 02:44:08,000
one hundred. It's not this exact model, but that's what

2692
02:44:08,280 --> 02:44:10,840
that's what Patterson used in the famous film.

2693
02:44:10,959 --> 02:44:12,079
Speaker 5: Was very cood.

2694
02:44:12,360 --> 02:44:17,600
Speaker 8: Kodak K one hundred. Super cool. He's got one of those.

2695
02:44:18,920 --> 02:44:20,239
Speaker 5: Oh that's that's a beauty.

2696
02:44:20,920 --> 02:44:23,120
Speaker 6: It's the elements. It works.

2697
02:44:24,440 --> 02:44:27,840
Speaker 5: What but you know what back then, all you have

2698
02:44:27,959 --> 02:44:31,239
to do is push you know, you haven't wound pushed

2699
02:44:31,239 --> 02:44:35,280
one button in his filming fixed focus lens.

2700
02:44:36,040 --> 02:44:40,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's heavy as hell, and and he supposedly I

2701
02:44:40,879 --> 02:44:44,200
think he did it with a twenty five milimeter aperture,

2702
02:44:44,360 --> 02:44:45,920
which I have loaded down here.

2703
02:44:46,040 --> 02:44:47,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, he used a single lens one. You have the

2704
02:44:47,959 --> 02:44:51,040
turret one, but it's the same camera, just different lenses.

2705
02:44:51,159 --> 02:44:53,079
But kind of neat to see one of those. I

2706
02:44:53,600 --> 02:44:54,799
I just had to comment on that.

2707
02:44:56,079 --> 02:45:00,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, cool is interesting. Yeah, I spent some time. I'm

2708
02:45:00,200 --> 02:45:03,079
researching what kind of whether it was the turn, whether

2709
02:45:03,159 --> 02:45:05,959
it was the regular one, and you know, it's like

2710
02:45:06,040 --> 02:45:08,600
there's a lot of conjecture there is, there's a there's

2711
02:45:08,639 --> 02:45:09,360
some debate on that.

2712
02:45:09,920 --> 02:45:15,079
Speaker 8: There's I've I've heard both too, you know, I know definitely.

2713
02:45:15,280 --> 02:45:18,399
Speaker 6: He has I think he has the non turrent variety

2714
02:45:18,479 --> 02:45:22,959
on display down there at his museum. So and but yeah,

2715
02:45:23,440 --> 02:45:25,959
who knows. They don't know what happened to the original camera,

2716
02:45:26,440 --> 02:45:30,200
could of course the one that has it may be it.

2717
02:45:30,440 --> 02:45:31,360
Speaker 5: We don't know, so.

2718
02:45:33,159 --> 02:45:35,879
Speaker 10: Supposedly, Michael, do you.

2719
02:45:35,959 --> 02:45:41,159
Speaker 5: Got any questions for either of our guests? I do not.

2720
02:45:41,639 --> 02:45:46,559
Speaker 10: I think this has been a fascinating discussion, and the

2721
02:45:47,360 --> 02:45:52,520
dog Man is is fascinating. I now someone asked a question,

2722
02:45:53,479 --> 02:45:55,440
is there have been a lot of reports of dog

2723
02:45:55,559 --> 02:45:56,920
women for his.

2724
02:45:57,079 --> 02:46:03,239
Speaker 5: Dog Man I think is just a name to describe both. Well.

2725
02:46:03,559 --> 02:46:05,840
Speaker 6: I I have gotten a couple of reports of them.

2726
02:46:05,879 --> 02:46:09,840
But I again, I don't get enough reports of female

2727
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:14,079
dog man. Maybe I should be a little bit more

2728
02:46:14,120 --> 02:46:19,760
politically correct. I don't get enough of them to really

2729
02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:22,360
say that they form any type of pattern or anything.

2730
02:46:22,559 --> 02:46:25,000
And there's just not a lot of data on them,

2731
02:46:26,399 --> 02:46:29,040
So I don't know what to say about that. I'll

2732
02:46:29,120 --> 02:46:31,760
try to try to avoid that unless I get more data.

2733
02:46:32,760 --> 02:46:35,239
Speaker 5: Nobody has seen a dog man with breasts.

2734
02:46:36,879 --> 02:46:40,200
Speaker 6: I've gotten one report of that, and it was a

2735
02:46:40,399 --> 02:46:44,760
multiple teat situations. So but you know when you just

2736
02:46:44,920 --> 02:46:47,319
when you only have one report, it's like you just

2737
02:46:47,799 --> 02:46:49,840
take you put it up on a shelf and you

2738
02:46:50,680 --> 02:46:53,760
wait till you get more reports before because.

2739
02:46:53,559 --> 02:46:59,280
Speaker 5: Dogs have how many sets and do all have the

2740
02:46:59,360 --> 02:46:59,920
same amount?

2741
02:47:00,840 --> 02:47:04,360
Speaker 6: Well that that I haven't researched, but I'm sure chat GPT,

2742
02:47:04,479 --> 02:47:06,280
I'll tell us all about Well, I bet it would.

2743
02:47:06,799 --> 02:47:11,280
Speaker 5: I bet you're right. Yeah, I bet you're right. Oh

2744
02:47:11,479 --> 02:47:13,520
my god, Well, I hope you got skip you you

2745
02:47:13,520 --> 02:47:15,239
don't see a dog man in your prison.

2746
02:47:16,399 --> 02:47:21,680
Speaker 8: Most dogs have between eight to twelve. The dog lost

2747
02:47:21,719 --> 02:47:26,040
money on that one. Smaller breeds maybe a few six.

2748
02:47:26,239 --> 02:47:29,760
Larger breeds can have up to twelve. Wow, that's according

2749
02:47:29,799 --> 02:47:30,159
to AI.

2750
02:47:30,920 --> 02:47:33,200
Speaker 9: Wow, that's never wrong.

2751
02:47:33,879 --> 02:47:35,600
Speaker 5: It's it's never wrong.

2752
02:47:36,319 --> 02:47:38,040
Speaker 8: That's why I had to point that out. It's it's

2753
02:47:38,079 --> 02:47:40,479
a I So who knows if that's accurate or not.

2754
02:47:40,600 --> 02:47:41,920
It's unverified crap.

2755
02:47:42,639 --> 02:47:47,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, thank you so much, Brian, And let's put

2756
02:47:47,479 --> 02:47:51,559
his books up. Do you want to promote the groups

2757
02:47:51,600 --> 02:47:52,879
that you work with?

2758
02:47:54,120 --> 02:47:56,799
Speaker 6: Well, I, you know, of course, I'm the founder of

2759
02:47:56,920 --> 02:47:59,920
Red Dirt crypt and Investigations, and we have a YouTube

2760
02:48:00,040 --> 02:48:03,079
channel on the Facebook page. And i also work with

2761
02:48:03,239 --> 02:48:07,959
the Native Oklahoma Bigfoot Research Organization out of Oklahoma. And

2762
02:48:08,200 --> 02:48:12,799
I'm also a member of the North American dog Man Project.

2763
02:48:12,920 --> 02:48:15,920
I'm a member of their Investigative Sciences Division.

2764
02:48:17,239 --> 02:48:20,200
Speaker 5: So and is that with Jody Cook?

2765
02:48:20,959 --> 02:48:25,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm more than happy to look at any

2766
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:29,920
evidence that they want looked at. So that's what the

2767
02:48:30,079 --> 02:48:31,920
Investigative Sciences Division does.

2768
02:48:32,120 --> 02:48:34,559
Speaker 5: I didn't I wanted to see the cover of the

2769
02:48:35,319 --> 02:48:40,360
last one you had up, Jeff. There we go, Oklahomas

2770
02:48:40,399 --> 02:48:44,000
a Zoology one on one. Love the cover.

2771
02:48:44,840 --> 02:48:45,440
Speaker 8: It's a great cover.

2772
02:48:45,680 --> 02:48:46,559
Speaker 5: That's a great cover.

2773
02:48:48,120 --> 02:48:49,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty cool.

2774
02:48:49,120 --> 02:48:51,239
Speaker 5: And that's available on Amazon, I take it.

2775
02:48:51,680 --> 02:48:55,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know they both are, so yes.

2776
02:48:55,120 --> 02:49:02,920
Speaker 5: Please support Brian bios books go to the Red Dirt site.

2777
02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:08,159
I do often. Yeah, and I think always been nice

2778
02:49:08,239 --> 02:49:11,360
enough to let us post our show up on the

2779
02:49:11,479 --> 02:49:13,920
Red Dirt site. And we really appreciate that. Brian.

2780
02:49:14,520 --> 02:49:18,159
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah. If anybody that's doing what I consider

2781
02:49:18,239 --> 02:49:21,639
to be good work, you know, I try to promote

2782
02:49:21,680 --> 02:49:25,479
them and keep the keep the riff raff a day,

2783
02:49:25,879 --> 02:49:28,040
and there's a there's a lot of it, although sometimes

2784
02:49:28,120 --> 02:49:30,680
I do have a hard time telling what's riff. Yeah.

2785
02:49:31,159 --> 02:49:33,760
Speaker 5: I'd love to get you back. Just be really cool

2786
02:49:33,879 --> 02:49:39,920
to talk about some of the technology for our tech breakdown. Yeah, yeah,

2787
02:49:39,920 --> 02:49:44,200
I we'd really like to do that. Thanks Skippy. Do

2788
02:49:44,280 --> 02:49:45,959
you have any last story you want to tell?

2789
02:49:46,639 --> 02:49:48,120
Speaker 9: Yeah? I hope you guys don't come to visit me

2790
02:49:48,200 --> 02:49:48,600
in prison.

2791
02:49:49,040 --> 02:49:49,719
Speaker 5: No, we won't.

2792
02:49:50,479 --> 02:49:51,319
Speaker 6: I'm trying to quit.

2793
02:49:51,479 --> 02:49:55,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we're trying to quit best, no promise best,

2794
02:49:55,040 --> 02:49:56,799
But I appreciate waiting around.

2795
02:49:58,399 --> 02:49:59,399
Speaker 9: This is great. Thank you guys.

2796
02:49:59,719 --> 02:50:02,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh no, I appreciate you coming on, but you

2797
02:50:02,280 --> 02:50:04,239
don't have any last little tiny story.

2798
02:50:05,239 --> 02:50:08,040
Speaker 9: Oh boy, I was at my mother in law's house

2799
02:50:08,079 --> 02:50:09,600
one day. We're over at my mother in laws house.

2800
02:50:09,639 --> 02:50:11,959
We're all in the living and watching a movie. And stuff. Yeah,

2801
02:50:11,959 --> 02:50:14,639
and her house is a notoriously haunted The lady that

2802
02:50:14,719 --> 02:50:16,079
used to live in the house apparently died in the

2803
02:50:16,120 --> 02:50:18,440
house and stuff from cancer and stuff. So we're all

2804
02:50:18,479 --> 02:50:20,079
in the living and watching the movie. The dog's on

2805
02:50:20,159 --> 02:50:22,399
the floor, laying next to my mother in law's feet.

2806
02:50:22,879 --> 02:50:24,920
Also in the dog dish goes sliding across the floor

2807
02:50:24,959 --> 02:50:27,200
in the kitchen. Nobody's in there to push it, nothing

2808
02:50:27,280 --> 02:50:30,200
to touch it, go sliding across. The dog's laying next

2809
02:50:30,239 --> 02:50:33,159
to us. You know, my father in law has woken

2810
02:50:33,239 --> 02:50:35,200
up and looked up the stairs and saw that, and

2811
02:50:35,239 --> 02:50:37,920
thought my niece was awakened, you know, going to the

2812
02:50:38,280 --> 02:50:40,680
bathroom or something, and tells her to get back in bed.

2813
02:50:40,719 --> 02:50:42,719
Walks upstairs and she's in bed, sleeping, not wearing a

2814
02:50:42,799 --> 02:50:45,920
night only the person you just saw. You know, all

2815
02:50:46,000 --> 02:50:48,120
kinds of weird stuff happens like that at the end.

2816
02:50:49,040 --> 02:50:49,239
You know.

2817
02:50:50,040 --> 02:50:54,360
Speaker 5: The thing is, you're really just like all of us.

2818
02:50:54,559 --> 02:50:57,639
We're all average people. Oh yeah, but most of us

2819
02:50:57,840 --> 02:51:01,799
never have a chance to tell their story publicly.

2820
02:51:02,280 --> 02:51:06,159
Speaker 9: Yep, it's true, true, Yeah, we all It.

2821
02:51:06,200 --> 02:51:08,799
Speaker 5: Would be so cool if we could just extract all

2822
02:51:08,840 --> 02:51:12,159
of the all of the pure normal and even all

2823
02:51:12,200 --> 02:51:16,000
the big wood sightings. I think like one percent maybe

2824
02:51:16,079 --> 02:51:19,360
four percent nowadays get reported, don't you agree, Brian?

2825
02:51:19,879 --> 02:51:21,280
Speaker 6: Oh, it's it's so low.

2826
02:51:21,879 --> 02:51:24,600
Speaker 9: So I always talked to work. I wish I would

2827
02:51:24,600 --> 02:51:26,159
have talked to all the older tarried stuff and got

2828
02:51:26,159 --> 02:51:28,239
all the good stories before they retire, because they're gone

2829
02:51:28,239 --> 02:51:29,000
and the stories are gone.

2830
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:32,239
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, that's true. You got a point. All right, everybody,

2831
02:51:32,319 --> 02:51:33,959
hang on, We're just going to do our quick wisdom

2832
02:51:34,280 --> 02:51:36,440
and then we're going to say goodbye. It's all around.

2833
02:51:36,520 --> 02:51:38,360
Speaker 8: Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back.

2834
02:51:39,680 --> 02:51:42,719
Speaker 1: It's now time for untold Radio and Wisdom of the Week.

2835
02:51:43,280 --> 02:51:46,239
Speaker 7: Gossip is one of the cheapest forms of entertainment and

2836
02:51:46,360 --> 02:51:48,840
one of the most expensive things a person can take

2837
02:51:48,879 --> 02:51:52,719
part in. It feels harmless when it starts, but gossip

2838
02:51:52,920 --> 02:51:55,879
is like tossing feathers into the wind. Once it leaves

2839
02:51:55,920 --> 02:51:59,319
your mouth, you don't control where it lands, who it hurts,

2840
02:51:59,719 --> 02:52:02,680
or how big it grows. Good Night, We hope to

2841
02:52:02,760 --> 02:52:05,680
see you all next week. If you like the show tonight,

2842
02:52:05,879 --> 02:52:09,280
please consider giving us a thumbs up, leaving a nice comment,

2843
02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:12,360
and most of all, subscribing and hitting the bell so

2844
02:52:12,479 --> 02:52:15,959
you will be notified when a new episode is dropping. Also,

2845
02:52:16,040 --> 02:52:18,840
please share this episode. Now back to Doug and Jeff

2846
02:52:18,920 --> 02:52:19,559
for our wrap.

2847
02:52:23,360 --> 02:52:29,079
Speaker 5: And we are back. Thank you, Michael Shoe, thank you Briandrell,

2848
02:52:29,600 --> 02:52:33,319
thank you Skippy Johnson, and thank you Jeff. You know

2849
02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:40,280
all of the people in Chat Holy Chat Chat Chat

2850
02:52:40,360 --> 02:52:44,719
Aram on tonight, a lot of a lot of new faces.

2851
02:52:44,799 --> 02:52:46,799
We hope to see the new faces back and we

2852
02:52:46,920 --> 02:52:50,159
hope to see the old faces back to Yeah, but

2853
02:52:51,479 --> 02:52:54,799
we really appreciate it. If you're not a subscriber, hit

2854
02:52:54,879 --> 02:52:58,799
the subscribe uh thing and hit the bell so you

2855
02:52:58,879 --> 02:53:01,959
get notified of new shows. But we're on every Sunday

2856
02:53:02,000 --> 02:53:05,799
at seven, so we're easy to find. Skipper, you're gonna

2857
02:53:05,840 --> 02:53:06,600
start watching us.

2858
02:53:07,719 --> 02:53:11,120
Speaker 9: I have been there, and oh you haven't. I'm quite addicted.

2859
02:53:11,200 --> 02:53:11,280
Speaker 7: Now.

2860
02:53:12,000 --> 02:53:15,399
Speaker 5: Well that's good now and we'll have you back. You

2861
02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:17,639
write down some more stories and we'll get you back good.

2862
02:53:18,120 --> 02:53:20,280
All right, all right, thanks guys.

2863
02:53:20,079 --> 02:53:21,479
Speaker 8: Good I thanks Miney.

2864
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:23,200
Speaker 5: Everybody, appreciate everybody.

2865
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:26,879
Speaker 3: I call you up in the middle of the night,

2866
02:53:27,399 --> 02:53:30,680
been bothered by dreams and feeling all day.

2867
02:53:31,760 --> 02:53:34,680
Speaker 2: You give me comfort, say just give it some time.

2868
02:53:34,959 --> 02:53:38,719
Speaker 14: By the end of our talk, I'm feeling just fine

2869
02:53:39,360 --> 02:53:42,639
you and I always no will we be.

2870
02:53:46,879 --> 02:53:50,920
Speaker 2: The same, no ordinary we got going on.

2871
02:53:55,159 --> 02:53:59,000
Speaker 3: I'll pick you up in the fifteen dour fo hit

2872
02:53:59,079 --> 02:53:59,719
them down.

2873
02:53:59,600 --> 02:54:04,879
Speaker 2: The road until we care for just doing the sun

2874
02:54:05,000 --> 02:54:05,920
and the wind.

2875
02:54:06,159 --> 02:54:09,840
Speaker 3: If you're anxious, top Bolly will head on home again.

2876
02:54:10,639 --> 02:54:14,559
Speaker 2: Everybody has can see. Will we be long?

2877
02:54:18,319 --> 02:54:25,479
Speaker 4: We know very we can go in at the end

2878
02:54:25,719 --> 02:54:30,280
of the world together forever swall and our ray.

2879
02:54:30,799 --> 02:54:34,200
Speaker 2: If better you should be endown in our race.

2880
02:54:34,680 --> 02:54:40,600
Speaker 3: We never compose a part in all ways for the

2881
02:54:40,799 --> 02:54:45,680
time we would be together every day. But I know

2882
02:54:46,399 --> 02:54:48,920
if better would be less straight and.

2883
02:54:49,280 --> 02:54:53,920
Speaker 2: Up the way back home to you here again.

2884
02:55:11,559 --> 02:55:15,959
Speaker 14: At the end of the world together forever is small

2885
02:55:16,159 --> 02:55:21,000
as our way. If ever you should be endowed or comprate.

2886
02:55:21,520 --> 02:55:27,920
They never compose a part in Lorway. But the end

2887
02:55:28,159 --> 02:55:30,280
of the world together.

2888
02:55:30,280 --> 02:55:35,600
Speaker 2: Forever is fond in Norway, igether we should be endowed

2889
02:55:35,719 --> 02:55:36,559
in Homard.

2890
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:43,479
Speaker 4: They never compose a party in alway. One a time

2891
02:55:43,680 --> 02:55:45,840
when we bed together.

2892
02:55:46,159 --> 02:55:51,040
Speaker 2: Never recable know it never would be astray.

2893
02:55:51,280 --> 02:55:53,079
Speaker 4: They all found away

2894
02:55:54,680 --> 02:56:05,440
Speaker 9: To no