Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, the Roman soldier walked out
of the wall holding a trumpet, totally solid, but you
could only see him from the knee up until he
reached the level of the Roman road, and then he
could see all of him. I lived in a haunted
property in a place called sax Mondon, which was part
of it the seventeenth century, and the douve was pulled
off me twice. In the ninth and I think it
was in the fifties a couple claimed to have witnessed
the time slip of a battle between Romans and Celts
by the modern buildings faded away and they saw a
woman in Victorian Edwardian clothing standing at the top of
the stairs, looking really angry. And she looked at them,
so it wasn't a recording. She interacted with him and
she looked furious, and it's because they were ripping old furnishings.
Speaker 2: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now
it's time for the Paranormal Peep Show.
Speaker 3: Hi, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show and the Paranormal
UK Radio Network.
Speaker 1: And I'm here by myself, but don't worry, we do
have a guest with us this month, and it's John West.
And John is a prolific writer, author film star as well,
maybe I'll say that. And also Style called the articles
for the Psychic News magazine. Welcome John, How are you hello.
I've never been called a film star before, so I
appreciate that. Well. I think it's about time you did
tell us a bit about your film work, as we're
on the topic of that. First of all, Yeah, the
latest stuff. I played Bellasconi, the Italian Prime Minister, in
a drama documentary about football so apparent he was giving
back and as the footballers, so I just played him.
I was in a film called Boudica. I played a
Roman soldier who ends up ordering Boudica to be killed.
I'm the one that orders it to be speared with
this massive ballista. So I killed Budica. And I've done
films with Chap called Jason Figuis, the director I worked with.
I was in a film The Ghost of Winifred Meeks.
I played the landlord. I turn up at the beginning
and the end, and that was filmed entirely in Suffolk.
It's very much a slow burn film. Say it's Mr
James if you want loads of murders, it's probably not
for you, but it is available to watch your three
on Amazon now when it's about three different people to
put it on there. And the woman that played the ghost,
it was alvery good. She'd never done acting before. Was
my girlfriend at the time, Julie Abbotts. So well she's
not your girlfriend now, so I shouldn't have dated a
ghos should I obviously doesn't work well, is that when
you because you're fading in and out a bit part.
You know, they pay half break good though, very she's
very good as the ghost, so I'll give her a due, right,
And and I thought that when you list on anything
that you do acting, I've done extra work what they
call I mean, they don't call it extra work now.
They call it background scenic artist or something, don't they essays?
Or yeah, background artists? Yeah? Yeah? So so did you
start off doing that and then move into speaking roles
or yeah? I mean I still do a bit of that.
I mean, obviously I was one of the leads in
Goes to Winnifred Meeks and I'm going to be playing
Professor Parking in an adaptation of the m R. James Wilson,
I'll come to you me, lad, But I mean the
other people who played it's a bit daunting because John
Hurt played him and Sir Michael Horden. So I'm in
good company. But I hope I'm as good as them,
but who knows. But yeah, so that's coming up. But
I've done some essays stuff as well. I mean the
Buddhica thing was there wasn't any lines apart from fire
and I killed her. Yes, enjoyable. I love it so
but yeah, I'm looking forward to the m R James one.
I'll probably be next year now, but I have actually
was promoted. I was going to play the ghost, and
they Jason Figures is doing the adaptation, wants me to
play Professor Parking. He finds his whistle and and wisely
blows it and summons up a ghost. Right. Is there
a lot of lines to say in that one? Yeah?
Probably they might have some overdubs as well or whatever
you call them, so, but yeah, to be few lines
than that, I don't know, actually no exactly how he's
going to write it, but I'm sure it'll be fair
and I'll just have to learn me lines. Yeah, I was.
I mean when I did school plays. I always had
trouble remembering my lines, and this is why since then
i've anything to do with film or TV. I've tenants
work in the background on the sound or vision or
something like that on the technical side of things, even
doing artwork. I've done artwork for theaters because I do
artwork and stuff for I'm much more of the creative
type rather than the performance type. But having said that,
I've been in rock bands and things like that, but
a different, different kettle of fish. I suppose a different
sort of performance. But we do have a thing in
common as well, which is interesting, the paranormal. And you've
written some boards, some books. So yeah, I've written True
Tales of the paranorm, which I will. I'll show you
a copy of mine and you can show me all.
Hang on second, I beg your pardon. I'll get my
book now. Then, okay, it's like Star Trek, I like
your T shirt. I've got a ghost one. Yeah, so
that's true Tales are the Paranormal. That started off life
as a book called Encounters with Fairies, Ghosts and Spirits,
but the publisher decided to change the name, so we
went with Umblishers. I don't know. Yeah, I know. They
have all these ideas, don't they. So yeah, some of
them are good, some of them. They had a book
parked in their inboxes. It were called True Tails of
the Paranormal, but they had no one to write it.
And then my manuscript arrived at the time and it
kind of dovetailed neatly into their projects. So with a
few changes, that's how that book came about. Basically. So,
how did you get involved in ghosts and the paranormal?
Well that was me mum's fault. She was fascinated with
ghosts and she had loads of paperbacks that I had
to look at when I was a kid, and I
was fascinated by the covers, wispy, attractive Victorian ladies, phantom monks.
There was one of giant spiders on the front, which
was probably the ash Tree, you know, m R. Jones.
And I was hooked. And then my dad he bought
me some books on ghosts. That one Mysteries of the Unknown,
which was fascinating. It's recently been reprinted as well, and
also that one Haunted Houses and ghosts and specters, and
that really really fueled me interest, and my dad got
me books on by Peter Underworld Andrew Green. But the
catalyst was me mum with her books and then it
led from there. But yeah, me parents basically. And I
grew up watching the ghost Stories for Christmas on BBC,
the Mr Jones adaptations, and it was a Dickens one.
And yeah, I've loved it ever since, and I never
before I'd ended up making chevy living out of it.
But now rite for Psychic News magazine. I've got three
books out in ghosts. This is the latest one, Ladies
and Gentlemen Britain's Haunted Land. Wow. I like the cover. Yes,
dream man type of figure, isn't it. That's it. Jason
Figures designed that is a very good designer and actually
in the top forty best selling books on the paranormal.
I'm the only author with two books that White Night Something,
isn't it? So? Have you been one of these type
of people that goes out on ghost hunts where people
do these own all night vigils with you know, sort
of ghost detector machines and things like that. I've been
on the odd one, but I tend to do my
investigations on my own, and I'm not really one for
using this equipment because half of the time you don't
know if what it's picking up is actually genuine paranormal
activity or just something else. So I've visited tons of
locations on the own. I've experienced the odd thing. I
went to Bally Church and you know, suddenly had this
feeling of intense fear in a certain area, and then
when I walked, I was going up the church path
and then I've sort of walked out of it like
it was a zone of feeling, and I walked back
into it and felt really scared. I lived in a
haunted property in a place called Saxmundon, which was part
of it was seventeenth century, and the douvet was pulled
off me twice in the night, which is a bit scary.
But then the activity decreased because I haven't found with
when you move into a haunted location, when I've interviewed
people about it, the activity sort of increases, and then
it's sort of, you know, decreases, as if the spirits
have got used to you. But I have been on
the odds ghost hunt. But you know, without naming them,
nothing really happened. They blamed things happened, But I must
admit I was a little bit, well, I wasn't impressed. Sure, yeah,
I've been one to avoid the ghost hunt simply because
of the fact that you know, you're going out and
the pea and rain or and the cold, and it's like,
I'm pretty convinced there's ghosts. I don't really necessarily have
to go out to a graveyard to see them. And
my argument is always, I think the spirits have long
gone from my grave. You might see something like a
ghostly activity, not necessarily a spirit, but of a ghost.
And that's an important definition I think. I mean, what
would you say. I mean, I kind of cover it
in my book as a definition of a spirit is
a person like our souls, that when they end this life,
they go on to a spirit world of some kind
of new existence and they're in their next transition of life,
a next phase of life. But ghosts, I explain, based
upon the siting, certainly seem to be I mean, some
people talk about a stone tape theory, which is a
kind of an idea recording on the atmosphere that's picked
up by sensitive people. Others have said that they're psychic
impressions that are picked up by sensitives, mediums, psychics that
kind of thing, and they might be tapping into a
reservoir of history again a similar thing to a recording,
and other people think they're viewing time slips or something.
But I mean, one of my favorite ghost stories is
the the one of York, which is Harry Martindale, which
was the plumber. I've written about it, which is well,
I mean, you can tell us, because you're the geest,
So I'll let you tell us. Do you just want
of fresh people who Harry Martindale was and what his
story was, and then maybe you could explain what you
think are goosts and what your take on Curtly. Well,
I'll just give you a little bit of background. This
happened in York. Now York was a Roman foundation. It
was a Roman fortress of the ninth Legion and then
the sixth Legion, and it was also a colonia, which
is basically a civilian settlement. Roman citizens lived there. There
was only three known in Britain and that was one
of them. And so at the end of the Roman period,
Roman rule collapsed and then the sixth Legion pulled out,
and then it became a Viking city, medieval city, and
it's a major tourist attraction today. I mean, I'm going
up there later this year to film a TV part.
I'll tell you about that later, but anyway, nineteen fifty three,
Harry Martin Dell was an apprentice plumber and he was
working in the cellars of the Treasurer's House, which I've
been him, which is a big medieval building near the Minster,
and it was actually built in the Roman Fortress. A
part of it was built over a Roman road, an
internal road in the fortress called the Via Decamana, And
he didn't notice, but the archaeologist has excavated a section
of the road in the cellar and it exposed it
that he was working down there on some plumbing. First day,
nothing happened. Second day, he was tapping away on the
walls and he heard a trumpet blast and he didn't
really think anything of it. He thought it's probably someone upstairs,
because the Treasurer's House is over to the public, is
now owned by the National Trust. But he carried on working,
and then that he was on a ladder at the
time as well, because he was up near the ceiling,
and all of a sudden, the Roman soldier walked out
of the wall holding a trumpet, totally solid, so you
could only see him from the knee up until he
reached the level of the Roman road, and then he
could see all of them. Well, needs to say it
was very surprised at this, and even more surprised when
after this Roman soldier with a trumpet was a Roman
soldier and a horse. Nothing like the sort of stallions
that you see in the Hollywood movies, you know, Russell
Crowe riding them or Charlton Heston. It was like amst
like a shire horse, you know, with you know, hairy's
feet and you know, very stocky and a lot smaller
than for the modern horses. And then this went through again,
totally solid, and it's followed by twenty Roman soldiers marching
a double file, and again couldn't see him from below
the knee until they reached the hole. He could hear
the murmuring. Obviously he couldn't understand what they were saying.
He fell off the ladder. He was that scared, and
he crawled into the corner because he thought, God, what
apps if they see me? But they never showed. They
didn't seem to be aware of him. Shall we say,
But the thing that struck him was they were nothing
like the Roman soldiers depicted in films and books at
the time. They were all square jawed in the films,
rectangular shields, clean shaven, immaculate, wearing red uniforms. These were
total opposite. They were unshaven, they were very short, they
didn't look anything like charlton Eston for a start, and
they had oval shields, and they had green uniforms and
he's short looking daggers swords. And he couldn't understand this
because he'd been brought up with this, you know, the history,
that they didn't look like Romans as he imagined them,
which would suggest that if he was going to fake it,
he would have described, you know the ones I've just described,
you know, red uniforms and that. But anyway, these Roman
soldiers carried on walking, went through the other wall and vanished.
So he legged it out of the cellar and he
bumped into the chap who was running the treasurer's house,
and the chap said to him, oh, by the look
of you, you've seen the Roman ghosts. And Harry Martindale
apparently swore him and said, why didn't you tell me
they were there? I'd never have gone, well, he was set,
that's shaken that he left a job, and it's actually
records that he went to see his doctor and got
signed off. And he kept quiet about it until the seventies,
and then he became a york Minster policeman because the
york Minster has its own police force and because in
the nineteenth century someone tried to burn it down, so
after that they brought in their own police and they
still exist to this day. And he told someone about
this experience and said, because don't tell anyone, because this
person did went to the press, presumably made some money
out of it, and because it hit the international news,
and he was interviewed about it and he said, yes,
I did see these soldiers. I'm not going to deny it.
And he was interviewed by archaeologist who tried to throw
him about what he'd seen, and he stuck to his story. No,
they had oval shields, they were short, you know, he
didn't hadn't shaved. They were green tunics. And it turned
out that that was actually accurate. In the later Roman period,
the Roman army had changed their uniforms and did have
different colored tunics and oval shields or the other periods
they were auxiliary soldiers who weren't Roman citizens, but again
had their own uniform because the Romans recruited them from
the lands that they conquered. So and then it turned
out it was a lady called Joan Mowson. She came
forward she'd seen the Roman soldier ghosts in the nineteen fifties.
In nineteen fifty seven, I believe, and her dogs had
seen them as well, and reacted really badly again in
the cellar, and a daughter had often heard a trumpet
being blown and didn't really think anything of it. Say
it hit the headlines. It became one of is now
one of the most famous ghost stories ever. The cellar
was open to the public and I went down. I
must admit I didn't experience anything. I did see the
Roman road and I was hoping, please Roman soldiers appear,
but they didn't, and that they've never been seen since
I believe the fifties. I haven't managed to find anyone
who's claimed to have seen them since then. As the
odd medium. Psychic mediums claimed the picked up images of them,
but obviously that's in there on mind's eye, and you
don't know whether that's they're expecting to see him, so
they imagine them. But the thing is the seller was
altered later on. And I've sound with some hauntings that
when you alter a building, you do building work, it
can almost well a raise a haunting, shall we say.
And although the ceiling was changed and that wasn't part
of the Roman road, perhaps was the ceiling constructed out
of Roman stones? And my theory is that they weren't
actually ghosts, that somehow he activated a recording and it
replayed for him. And whether it was the intense emotions.
Was it like the last Roman soldiers leaving the fortress
at York after the Romans had been there for three
hundred and fifty years, and were they feeling depressed anxious?
They were leaving their loved ones. They'd been ordered because
they had families there and they were going to the
continent to an uncertain future. That is my theory. I
don't believe they were conscious entities. I believe they were
literally just a recording that Arie Martindale activated. I should
also point out in the twenties a Roman soldier was
seen in Treasurer's house when he was still a private property.
There was a fancy dress party and this lady went
off for a wander, having a look round, and she
was shocked to see a Roman soldier who barred away.
Now this seemed to interact with her, so you know
that's different to the other haunting I've just described. But
she went back to the owner complain and said it
was that rude person dressed as a Roman soldier. I
bet you no one'm going to say there was no
one at the fancy dress like a Roman. So yeah,
so that's a really famous story. But her other Roman
soldier ghosts in York, the Roman Baths, which I'm hoping
to film in for this TV pilot, that's supposedly haunted
by a Roman soldier, and I think it was in
the fifties. A couple claims to have witnessed a time
slip of a battle between Romans and Celts, like the
modern buildings faded away and it was like before the
fortress had been built. Obviously, you know there might be
some Roman soldiers still around. But anyway, that's my take
on what it what it possibly could be. I think
it was a recording. That's interesting, very interesting explanation. Now,
the accounts I read said that Harry Martindale saw the Romans.
Like you say, he saw them the stubble on and
things like that. He also heard them speaking as well, murmuring, yeah,
he couldn't understand what they were saying. And then the
lady you mentioned five years later in nineteen fifty seven,
who I think she was like the housekeeper or something
like that, looking after lived there. She lived there, and
she was checking all the rooms at night, and the
dogs were barking, so she she looked down the cellar,
and although she saw the Romans, the description she gave
was slightly different from the original sight of Harry Martinew
because she said, I think Harry Mantdale cited one or
two horses, but most of them were on foot. But
these other ones, there was loads of them coming in
on horses or something, and they appeared to be asleep
on the horses, as if the horses were marching them home.
And they were so knackered, these poor Roman soldiers, that
they just fell asleep on the horses. So you know,
I'm wondering was it a recording, because I'm assuming that
if you watch a recording, you'll see the same recording replayed,
unless of course it's a different episode as such that
is a recording or it just stopped before these other soldiers.
He could be. My theory was is that because there's
a lot of people talk about the stone tape theory
and it came to light to me not that long
ago that it was actually like an invention. Whether it's
inspired by real research, I can't say for sure, but
the invention of the stone tape theory came about because
it was featured in something called Play for Today or
something like that. I remember it as a kid. Yeah,
it was really paranormal subject within a TV play sort
of thing of ghost researchers, which the idea was that
the atmosphere or a castle or something will record ghosts
that are replayed at a later date. And lots of
people have launched onto that not realizing the origin of
where it's come from that particular thing. And so now
they kind of apply the stone tape theory to lots
of sightings of ghosts and things. But I actually wonder
if the Roman ghosts of York were Harry Martindale who
saw his I think it was like in the November
of nineteen fifty three and the Laby February Sorry, and
then it was the lady later on in nineteen fifty seven,
she saws hers in November or the winter months anyway,
and they both describing them having mud splatters. Yeah, they
were both done in the winter months, the sightings by
Harry Martindale and the caretaker lady, and they were covered
in mud each time the Romans were which suggested me
that they were in their winter time of whenever those
actions were recorded or featured, if you like, in some way.
And so I wondered if they were looking back at
a kind of simultaneous time that was occurring back in
those winter days of that Roman Britain back then. I
if Harry Martindale's ceases on November the one, nineteen fifty seven,
it's November the first one hundred AD, back in those
Roman times, and he's seeing on the same day, probably
about the same time, and they're literally looking through a
window across time there. And if it was a summer's
day that Harry Martindale happened to be working in the
Chancellor's house, he might have seen less muddied Roman soldiers
who were in a sort of summertime a tie with
no mud on them, because it wouldn't be wet on
the ground that was just my theory or something like that.
I mean, there are various theories about it. I mean,
some people believe they were real ghosts, they were spirits,
time slits, the stone tape theory. Some people have said
he made it up and the other woman latched onto
it for the notoriety. So I mean, but it always
stuck through his story and I never met him. Sadly
he passed away a few years ago, but I did
meet someone who'd spoken with him, and he said, look,
the guy was on the level, you know, you know,
why would he lie? You know? He never you know,
he never made a fortune out of that. He didn't
write a book about it. Yeah, I mean for years
he wouldn't even appear on programs but talk about it.
So it wasn't as if he wanted the fame. So
but yeah, well we'll never really know. I mean, as
I said, the ghosts haven't been seen for years. I
was told an academic apparently seen him in the forties,
but I've never been able to find out who that
was what they exactly saw, So that could be just
a rumor. But certainly, apart from people claiming that they've
had a sense of Roman soldiers down there. I mean,
I actually asked someone in the treasurer's house has anything
being seen, and she said, look, she said, I've been
in that cellar loads of times. She said, I've never
experienced anything, you know, in winter, summer, spring, autumn. So
perhaps it's as you know, fizzled out, or you know,
if it was a time slip, the windows closed forever,
who knows. Yeah, yeah, I mean you mentioned that they've
done building works and things since that time, and I
actually wonder they have if a bit like feng Schway
type of thing where you move furniture around the house
to let the energy flow, a similar things happened in
this building, and the building was acting almost like an
amplifier assaults to amplify these signals in some way, and
once building works happened, it's kind of decreased that ability
for it to function. And the same way that people
talk about poltergeists, when they a lot of people move
into a house, they start to stir up trouble once
they start ripping out things and decorating things, and that's
when the activity starts to appear. It often happens. I
spoke to a lady in Saxmondon because I used to
live in Saxmondon place in Suffolk and they were doing
up their house and I think there's like Victorian there
might have been a bit that went back earlier than that.
And they saw a woman in Victorian ed Wardian clothing
standing at the top of the stairs looking really angry,
and she looked at them, so it wasn't a recording.
She interacted with them and she looked furious, and it's
because they were ripping old furnishings that were from the
Victorian period. So for some reason, you know, that spirit
had been hanging around and didn't want those showing. So
that was that definitely wasn't like a stone tape or
even a time slip, because you know, she interacted with them,
so it wasn't and unless it was a time slip,
and she so knew the hell are these people in
my house? But she was conscious of them and they
were conscious of her, so that obviously wasn't a recording.
But she sold the place and she said, oh, you know,
never name it, she said, because if the people buy
it to find out it's haunted. And I was never
able to speak to the people who moved in because
he how could you actually ask him? You know, by
the way, I you've seen the old Victorian, a red
Wardian lady on the stairs, just as they've got young
kids as well. Oh god, I yet quiet about that. Yeah,
it's interesting. She mentioned ed Wardian lady because one of
the people that's involved in our channel that runs a
paranormal UK radio network which we're part of, called Irene
Ann Block. She said that she was looking around a
house with her son who is intending to buy it,
and so she decided to walk up the top stairs
and went into the very attic room at the very
top and she came face to face with a Victorian
maid who looked really shocked at seeing her, and she
went like that, and obviously Irene went like that, and
then this lady in Victorian maids dress sort of just
faded out. So again there was an interaction, and it's
almost like two times a visiting each other almost on
a physical but temporary basis or something. Or perhaps that
Victorian maid went and told her mistress, my god, I've
just seen the ghost upstairs where a woman wearing really
odd clothing. Yeah, so then she probably got the factory
or something. You've been drinking on the job. Yeah, they might.
They might explain these these UFOs that people wonder if
their visitors from the future or something, you know, or
Rendellsham Forest which is near me. Some people claim that
they're people from the future, not aliens. So yeah, it's
it's a there's different explanations for all these these things.
I can't I don't think you can basically say the
ghosts are one particular thing. I think this goes so
many things. It's like poltergeists. So there's different explanations for
different hauntings. You can't put them all into one one
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Speaker 1: Right Welcome back to Part two of the Paranormal Peep
Show on the Paranormal UK Radio Network and I'm here
with John West and we're talking about Roman ghosts, poltergeist
and all other kinds of paranormal phenomena. So we're just
talking a little bit there in part one about the
poltergeist activity. Do any of these Roman ghosts appear to
engage with the viewers in some way on a kind
of level that a poltergeist make or do they appear
just to be neutral observations that they're going about their
daily tasks as they would have done. Yes, I've never
come across anywhere the Romans have interacted these ghosts with
the observers. So again, is it a time slip or
just a recording? So I mean, for instance, there's a
case on Hadrian's War where people have claimed to have
seen a Roman soldier standing literally about ten feet in
the air, presumably on the line of the Roman War,
which has since vanished near Hounstead's Roman Thought. And also
bird Oswald, Roman Fat which is to the west of
there in Cumbria, is also apparently haunted by a Roman soldier.
People have claimed to have seen it in the old
farm buildings which is now a museum, but again it
never interacts with anyone, so it doesn't appear to be
aware of them. So again, is it a recording a
time slip? So I've never met any Romans yet that
have actually spoken to me seen them like that. I'll
come back to that point of the Roman on the
invisible Wall in a second. It just reminded me about
a year ago speaking to a lady here in Dorset
who said that her husband and her daughter were coming
to pick her up from the local hospital, and as
they drove around the road to come pick them up,
she said she he nearly ran into about ten romans
crossing the road. But like Harry Martindale, these romans appeared
to be nothing from the feet down, sorry, from the
knees down, they appear to have no legs. But he
put on the brakes automatically as you would do when
you see a load of people walking in front of you,
and realized they must have been ghosts. Fortunately because his
wife was a spiritualist and she's into mediumship, and he
kind of understood what was happening. But it wasn't just
him that saw it, as his daughter as well. And
I think the husband's passed on. But I did ask
the lady if I could get an interview with the
door and she said, oh no, she won't give interviews,
So unfortunately I'm stuck with just her sort of third
hand information. But interesting as it seems, and I did
look into it, and there have been a few Roman
kind of faults and constructions in the area, so maybe
they were associated with that, but they obviously were not
aware of any vehicles, certainly from the twentieth century or
twenty first century, about to drive into them. So getting
back to the Roman soldier on top of Hadrian's wall,
it's interesting that the wall section that he would have
been appearing on from his time was not visible anymore
because fallen down, and yet the Roman soldier still appears
to be standing on it, and so you think, well,
maybe that's because he's a living being or was a
living being where the stone wall was. But then you've
got to think about, well, hang on, he's wearing presumably
armor and clothes or some sort. You know, they're not living.
So it makes you wonder what part of the ghost
or something is created for the effect to happen. I mean,
we talk about ghostly carriages and ghostly horses. I mean,
we've had the horses with Harry Martindale. But how far
does the ghost phenomenal stretch does it go into objects?
Can you get ghostly carriages and things like that? It's
like phantom ships have been seen, so yeah, and ghostly cars.
There was one on the Isle of Sky that was
seen before an accident involving a car that matched the
description of the car that they've seen, So that was
like a ghost before something happened, but they never know
there was never anyone seen in the car. So yeah,
I mean, as I said, there's verious. I think there's
various explanations for what's happening with ghosts, is not just
one explanation that fits all. And talking about the Roman
soldiers as well as Saint Albans, which in Roman times
was called Virolanium is actually sacked by Boudica during the
rebellion in AD sixty sixty one when she burnt the
town to the ground and massacred the inhabitants. That's also
haunted by Romans. The Roman Theater, which you can visit,
people have claimed to have seen on what was the
stage area of Roman soldiers Roman dignitaries. So a woman
claimed to have seen that. She claimed to have seen someone
dressed like a Roman senator or a magistrate in his finery.
And also there's the foundations of I think it's the
London Gate. There's a stretch of wall Roman wall in
the old Park area which you can actually visit. And
this one actually is different to what we talked about before.
This is the only one. It's just came back into
my mind where the Roman seemed to interact with the
observer he was with I think he was an academic.
I can't remember his name offhand, but he was with
some friends and they were looking at the ruins of
the gate and literally is only the foundations. There's nothing
there that's impressive. You know, you haven't got liking when
you go abroad and you see the massive towers still standing,
literally just the flint foundations. And he was described as
going into a trance by his friends, and he blamed
to have seen a Roman charioteer coming out of the gate,
and the horses seemed to observe him and reacted badly
and refused to move forward, and the Roman charoitier didn't
see him, but kept whipping them to get them to
go forward, and was shouting something. He couldn't understand what
he was saying, you know, to get the animals to
move forward, but they could see him and wouldn't go forward,
and then bumped they vanished. So was that literally a
time slip that those horses they saw this what they
were you know, some strange figure in front of them,
are clearly terrified them and a lot of people believes
horses are psychic. But the charity couldn't see them, couldn't
see him, and then it went back to normal and
that was it. But that's that's the only time I've
ever heard of anything being seen on the side of
the gate. But again the fear for a few people
who claimed to have seen things there. So it might
be worth you know, if you're ever in that area
or your listeners were in Saint Albans, prop along there
and see if you spy remember going there. I mean
I've been in St Albans since, but I remember going
around the ancient parts of Viverolanium or Saint Albans on
school trips because I didn't live that far away. I
lived in chaff and Saint Peter in Buckinghamshire, so it
would have been about forty miles up for the one
or something like that to get to it, i'd imagine.
So if there's plenty of Roman ghosts appearing in Britain,
do we get incidents of Roman ghosts appearing in Italy
predominantly Rome? Well, I've heard of I Was where people
have claimed to have seen Roman soldiers, Hadrian's Villa, people
have claimed to have seen seen figures there. So I mean,
you've got to remember that the Roman culture was around
for centuries. I mean, they occupied Britain for over three
hundred and fifty years, and a lot of Western European
civilization is based on Rome and Greece because the Romans
took a lot from Greece, the architecture, things like that,
the gods or that they renamed them. So you know,
they were around for a long time and they have
influenced us. So yeah, I've mainly studied sort of the
British societings, but I am aware that people have claimed
to have seen Romans abroad, you know, across what was
the Empire. Yeah, yeah, so so really there's there seems
to be a predominance of Roman goes simply because they
were a large kind of like you say, empire at
the time. Is only kind of like research done into it.
I think where people have classified the amount of Roman
ghost seen against say medieval ghosts or seventeenth century Highwayman
ghosts or anything like that. I mean, does there seem
to be a predominance of people always citing Roman ghosts
against other types? Do you think, Well, the ones I've
come across, it seems to be the later periods of
more ghosts than the Roman period. I mean, for instance,
there's very few cases of people claiming to have seen
ghosts from the pre Roman period prehistoric men. There was
a case I can't remem where it was now, but
an archaeologist saw a ghost of a Bronze Age horseman
that vanished near a burial mound. That's one of the
earliest ghosts in Britain. People can look it up. I
can't remember where it was exactly, somewhere down south southwest,
I believe. But yeah, there doesn't seem to be as
many Roman soldiers haunting sight, shall we say, as phantom
monks or Victorian ladies or English Civil War soldiers hanging
around Marston Moore and Naseby. So again, is it because
after a while the haunting literally wears itself out. It's
like an old video recording he doesn't play anymore. I mean,
for instance, there was a chat called Elliot O'Donnell, very
famous ghost writer of his day. A lot of his
books are out now again because they're out of copyright
and get on Amazon. And he was an irishman. Oh
he had some English blood in him. I think his
mother was English. But he came up with a theory
long before the Stone Tape that a lot of these
ghosts were just recordings and over a period of time
they would literally just fade away. Because he interviewed people
in the East End of London who were around at
the time of the Jack Ripper murders, and he picked
up loads of stories about this murder sits being haunted.
But then he said that some of them years later,
the haunting just stopped. It was like it lasted twenty
thirty years and then it sort of faded away. So
he had a theory at certain hauntings were only around
for a few decades and then boom they were gone.
So he was ahead of his time with that one.
He's worth checking out, is so Donald Is. Some people
accused him of exaggerating stuff and perhaps he did to
sell books like Harry Price did. But I mean it's
very interesting character and you know, everyone should read his books.
I mean, could that be partly to do with the
social kind of climate that changes over a period of
thirty years. People maybe don't want to be seen as
foolish if they're reporting seeing ghosts. I mean I kind
of met many interesting people that told me some fascinating
stories of paranormal encounters that they wouldn't openly tell to
other pot And it could be that over that thirty period,
thirtyear period, although these ripper murders or whatever ghosts are
fading away, maybe they're still are sighted, but people just
don't want to appear to be silly. And that goes
with the kind of social changes of attitudes and things
as time progress, this kind of thing, you know, well,
I mean it could well be because Elliott o'donald grew
up at the time and when spiritualism with it in
its heyday, and then after the First World War, when
you know, people were desperate to contact loved ones that
have been lost in that terrible war. So that could
could be a valid point. And also the East End
has been transformed so much since the days of Jack
the Ripper. That's hardly any side that hasn't been touched.
I mean, mita Square. The original cobbles are ripped up
years ago. It's unrecognizable apart from they kept the shape
of the square, you know, there's nothing from apart from
one building at the side. I think it's still Victorian.
It's been totally transformed and I think the last sight
in there. Peter Underwood wrote about it and Haunted London.
It was in the early seventies and a couple saw
a figure of a woman lying on the ground in
the what they needs to call Ripper's Corner where he
murdered Katherine Edos and they were going to go over
to see, you know, if she was okay, because she
looked like a real person. And then a load of
youths came into the square and they got a bit
worried and backed off, and the youth started playing the
area where this woman had been lame and she's gone.
So and for instance, Mary Kelly was regarded as Jack
the Ripper's last official victim in London where she lived.
Miller's Court was supposed to be haunted and it's supposed
to be a bloody handprint on the wall that they
couldn't remove because Miller's Court was demolished. So most of
the Ripper sites had been transformed because I think the council,
especially in the sixties and seventies, just didn't like people
going there and wanted to basically eradicate anything to do
with Jack the Ripper because they thought it was importos.
So I know you still get Ripper walks now, but
obviously the atmosphere has gone. There's very few Victorian buildings
left once you go off the main streets. Shall we say?
That leads me to wonder about because I mean, my
wife and I have been recently watching on Netflix documentary
Is and also dramatization of Fred and Rose West, which
is more relation. Yeah, Hope's not Hope not. You never know,
but I mean that obviously happened about ninety well, it
was discovered in about nineteen ninety four. I think that
for those that don't know that this builder who lived
at twenty five Cromwell Avenue, I think it was in
Gloucestershire along with his wife for being respons responsible about
I don't know, it's like twenty your deaths of young
girls over a period of maybe from the seventies right
through to the mid nineties, a long more, I believe,
possibly more. Yeah, some are buried in his basement, some
were buried out in the garden, and then there was
you know, he'd obviously run out of room and he
was burying him up in the woodlands and by trees
and things like that. But like you said, there could
be more. Now. Back in the mid nineties, my friend said,
let's go there. Let's go there. So we went off
to Gloucestershire and went into a state agent. And in
those days you had to get a map off and
a state agent at the local area to try and
find your way around. And we went there and there
was a policeman outside the building, and there was a
few Japanese tourists and some flowers being laid to rest on,
you know, by the gate or something. But then some
time after that and the whole house have been knocked down,
which I can understand that in a way because a
it probably way you might get people that want to
buy it. But maybe just for the kind of novelty
of owning a house of such destruction. I suppose you
know a very rich person, but would anyone want to
move back into that house, knowing the case of what's
happened there, and I suspect, you know, I do wonder
if they knock the house down to kind of a
avoid that kind of thing, but also there might be
a deeper level there where they're actually wanting to avoid
things like hauntings. Someone might advise the local council or
the police or someone to say, knock it down because
you're going to end up with hauntings in the air
or something like that, because they removed all the bodies.
But you never know, and certainly with these psychics that
contune into murder situations and things like that, there could
be some sort of really bad energy there that's been
left over. But because of what's happened. I mean, what's
your thoughts on that, well, I do. I've read a
couple of books Colin Wilson. Actually, as an aside, I
was involved in a series about Colin Wilson, the writer
and philosophy who did loads of books and goes. He
did a book about the West murders, and I believed
in the council of just wanting to knock the place
down because the locals didn't want it there because they
were tritened in a notoriety that people would be going there,
tourists and stuff. I've never heard that people wanted it
knocked down because they were frightening. He was going to
be haunted, but it was just you know, who'd want
to live there. I wouldn't want to live there because of,
you know, just the terrible things that went on there.
I mean, you know, they were evil people, and we
were rightly, you know, I mean, obviously Fred West hung himself,
but you know, Rose West. Is she still alive. I'm
not sure she's still in im prison I believe. Yeah, well,
let's hope she's never released, because you know, I just
think people like that are pure evil. But yeah, so
I've never heard any stories it was demolished for that reason.
I mean, it's happened in the Victorian period. They would
rename streets, they did with a director ripper murder sites.
They would not place these down just to basically sort
of a raise that aspect, because you know, you'd have
sort of tourists going there. Shall we say he wanted
to sort of see where horrific murder or murders are
being committed. But I'm not aware of anyone's ever claimed
that that area is haunted. I must think that I
haven't really looked into it, you know, it's but yeah,
I can well understand though why locals would want the
house not down. But there again, there are other houses.
I think there was Nielsen. Was he called in in London?
That's its Yeah, that's it. He's his house was never
knocked down. And funny enough, well it's not funny actually,
but in the eighties I used to go down. He
worked in a job center in London opposite, almost opposite
a book shop called Murder One, Oh God, which which
I needs to go into. I needed to get books
on true crime. It was a very good shop and
you know, they had like novels and things. They had
Sherlock Holmes there, stuff on Jack the Ripper. But I
remember walking past there and actually walking past this guy
it's Nielsen, and I often wondered, you know, did he
ever go in that shop and sort of you know,
have a rye grinn, you know, knowing that he was
doing the things as well, and that one day he
might be in there as a subject. But yeah, so
I actually walked past him once and I actually walked
past once as well, the Inswitch strangler who was used
to hang around in the town. I worked in its
which at the time when those murders were going on.
I can't remember the guy's name now, you know the
one I mean, though he not twenty years ago, wasn't it. Yeah, Yeah,
it wasn't Yeah, it was that long ago. But I
remember he used to use the same video shop as me.
You know. I used to add this video shop was legit.
It was second and films and stuff, and he was
a customer. And I asked the owner, I said, what
did he ever buy from you? Assuming he was going
to buy slasher films or documentaries about Jack Ripper, And
all he ever bought apparent he was nature documentaries. So
I've actually crossed pass with two serial killers, but fortunately
I never ever spoke to them. Well, I mean that
makes you wonder that we must, you know, in an airport,
in a training station. I mean, obviously someone comes to
their untimely death, you know, and they're followed or whatever
might be, and there are potential killers out there, and
in a sense they're probably creating these psychic fields, if
you think about it, they're creating these events that will
be viewed as paranormal ghost hauntings or something at some
point later these cold case files where people pick up
on spirits and see through the eyes of the murderer,
that kind of sort of stuff. Have you ever gone
to any seances or work with spiritualists, or gone to
mediums for anything like that. I've met the occasional medium
that's come up with stuff that's quite amazing that they
couldn't probably have known. My late aunt Doris used to
do the Ouiji board. I wouldn't recommend that, by the way,
because you never know what's coming through, but she was
a little bit addicted to that, and I went once
to a seance. I won't say where it was because
I was very skeptical. It was a science where they
moved things and grabbed you and played instruments, and I
was very very skeptical about that, you know, but I
wouldn't say where because obviously some of them might be watching.
But I was not impressed, shall we say so. I've
met some people that have been impressed with, some that
I've not been impressed with. Some are clearly cold reading.
You can pick that up quite easily. Others, as I said,
you know, picked up stuff that they couldn't have possibly known.
But I've been to the odd thing, odd seance and stuff,
but some have been impress but others haven't. So but
like I said, I don't want to name names and
I don't want to get sued. Well, I think you
should be suing them because I mean, I went to
a place in I've been to a few places where
they've had terrible, absolutely terrible sunces. And the thing is,
I do mediumship myself, so I'm not claiming to be
the world's best medium or anything like that, but I
do know that the phenomena works. I am not a
physical medium. I'm not going to make instruments fly or
play or anything like that, but I do know the
phenomenal works you. I mean, I've done readings on people
where I've been blindfolded, stood in a corner and I
had to have someone confirm a yes or no through
an intermediate you. So I never heard even the person's
voice that I was doing a reading on tell me
yes or no. It had to be done through a
second person who was then relaying it back to me,
and I was picking up more psychic information about them
rather than life after death information. So I was picking
up like their vehicle and the diet they'd been on,
and they'd had some work done to something or something
like that, or been on various things. So I do
know that it works, but I do also know that
there are lots of fakes out there. Definitely not so
much on the mental mediumship side. That's your Clair voice,
that's your Tony Stockwell's your calling fries and people. But
it's more when you're having the more spectacular mediumship demonstrations
where it's called physical mediumship, and that's where, like you claim,
you thought they were trying to do instruments being played
and that kind of thing. Yeah, and I've attended things
where drums were being played and a little girl who
was from France was supposedly coming through. She sound like
a voice of the Tweenies. If you remember the tween
is the BBC Kids characters. That's what it sounds like.
So I thought it was an old man doing a voice.
You know, it could be the same one because I
went to this particular thing and it was supposed to
be a child and it was so obvious that the
medium was just trying to speak like a child. And
then you know they wouldn't have the lights on for
when the stuff was moving around, which you know, oh
that's convenient, But then they could put the lights on
when the door of the cabinet where this person was
placed would sort of push out and then in. And
I was not impressed because I thought, well, look, if
they don't need the if they don't need the lights
on to do if you know that you can have
the lights on to do that, why couldn't they have
the lights on when the trumpets playing by itself? And
I just thought, you know, again, I won't name where
it is, but I just thought, how can people fall
for this stuff? Well, I wrote about it in my book.
If it's the same one, I'll say the name myself.
I don't mind. I don't mind because they can try
and sue me. But then they'll have a problem. They'd
have to prove their claims in court of what they
can do exactly, you see, I don't think they're likely
to do. But it was so I went to a
Christmas tree siance I think, or Christmas Sounds with a
guy called Bill Meadows I think. And he was an
Irish guy, Okay, very old Irish guy. Was a Christmas
tree siance taking place in Oxfordshire. I don't blame the
people that ran the place. I don't think they were
fully aware that they were also possibly being defrauded. But
you know, the presence would be thrown out during the darkness,
and it was supposedly from spirit children or something, and
that's what was the other thing that they That's right.
They had this French girl supposedly talking against the cabinet,
which was basically a curtain in front of a box,
and you could see what looked like a child's shape
that they could easily make that. I'm sure they're doing
this fake voice and things like that. And in fact,
I do remember talking to one guy who said he'd
gone to a siance where this French spirit appeared and
they were talking, so he decided to speak back in French.
It' asked some questions in French and they suddenly had
to go back to the spirit world. But I bet
it reminds me if there's an adaptation of one of
the m R. James when his guy turns up and
his chaps possessed by a medieval monk and he starts
to speak Norman French and the monk doesn't know what
to say, and it's a we're surprising. You know, you'd
be able to speak that fluently if you forgotten how
to speak that in the Spirit War and the yeah
yeah Treasure Treasure of Abbot Thomas. If people want to
watch it, it's on YouTube. It's very good, good adaptation.
Recommend it. Now you've you also write for Psychic News magazine,
which is where I say, do your articles. I do.
I'll hold one up for you. I'll just get it.
I was expecting that, so this is an old issue.
But I write every month for them, those stories, ones
that have supposedly happened. Oh no, you go, yeah about
psychic dogs. So yeah, every month. The current one, I've
got an article on Pluckley in Kent, which is supposed
to be the most haunted village in England, and though
other villages claim that they're the most haunted, but I
don't want to cause a scrap between them. I've been
writing for them now god for over ten years. Got
three ghostbooks out as I mentioned before, Britain's Haunted Land,
Britain's Ghostly Heritage and Britain's Haunted Heritage. And I've got
a book coming out on Poltergeist as well, hopefully this year,
and that's also being turned into a documentary which will
be directed by my friend and colleague Jason Figures. And
I'm plugging myself now. I've also co written a documentary
on Jack, the Ripper of a Jack called Mike Harley,
again directed by Jason Figures. We've got the Colin Wilson
series which we're hoping to get streaming and service to
take on, and that will cover the paranormal as well.
He's interested in that. So yeah, so I've been doing
quite a lot. So I don't think that's a ghost,
by the way, when the light goes and I think
that's just the camera, could be a porter guyst though,
what do you think a poltergeist is? I mean, we
hear stories its angry ghosts, that's where the term comes
from in German noisy ghost or something. What do you
think they are? Well, my book, I come to the
conclusion that they might be different things. So, I mean
the old the old theory was that it was psychic
energy from a teenage girl entering puberty and it was
manifesting itself in various ways because they were frustrated because
of the onset of puberty. But I've come across cases
whereas affected boys, women entering the menopause, elderly men. So
I think and I used to think it was just
literally perhaps the psychic energy, and Colin Wilson used to
think this, but now I've come to the conclusion it's possibly,
well possibly some sort of entity of spirit that latches
on to this energy and then manifest itself. Now, whether
it's some sort of evil spirit that doesn't want to
move on, there's another theory that it's actually that we're
made up of different, different personalities, shall we say, and
that when we pass on, our higher self goes on
moves on and our lower baser instincts break away and
become a poltergeist. And that's what they call all this
mayhem and trouble. There are other theories that it's entities
from another dimension. It's funny I'm talking about this and
in the screenkeeper in it. They could be just a coincidence.
I hope it is, but entities from another dimension that
have come into ours. So I think there could be
different explanations. I don't think it's something again you can
pigeonhole and say, oh, yes, it's the psychic energy of
a teenage girl. I think there's a lot more to
it than that. But I'm quite psych with the idea
that perhaps when we pass on the aspects of a personality,
perhaps break away, as I said, the baser instincts and
they sort of gradually fizzle out and trade away. But
it's all one around and latch onto anything where they
can manifest themselves. How could be totally wrong, It could
be something else, But it's a very interesting subject and
I don't think we're going to ever get to the bottom.
They've been talking about it for centuries. They manifest in
different ways, but I mean there's common kind of things
that seem to connect a lot of them, which is
like throwing of objects, are starting small fires. The stages
they start off with you hear knocks and bangs, scratches,
you think it's an animal in the wall. Then they
start to try to communicate, and first it's barks and
growls and it's articulate. They latch onto a focused person.
There's normally one person that they concentrate on. They perhaps
might speak through them. They start fires, they make allegations
about things going on in the household, claim to be
a murder victim, the devil, an angel or whatever. You know.
They normally take on the go of whatever the person
expects them to be. I've just written an article on
Jeff of talking mongoose poltergeist and that claimed to be
an animal. But there again, the family thought originally it
was an animal, So did it just take on that
guy as to please them and then eventually it'll fizzle
out and move on or just you know, fade away.
But there again there's exceptions to the rule. There's a
place called Dagworth Hall in Suffolk which Alan Murdy, who's
involved with the poltergeist the documentary that we're doing, came
across and there was poltergeist activity reported in the medieval
period and it was still being reported in the nineteen sixties.
So again there's a period that somebody's poltergeist are place
centered and not people centered, and they're linked to lay lines,
earth energies, things like that. And there's also poultergeist that
seemed to be connected to objects. So I've come across
cases where there was a wardrobe where poltergeist activity only
occurred around that or a human skull. So again you
can't sort of pigeonhole this into into one particular category
and say, posy guy said this, so it's a it's
a puzzling subject. It's interesting you mentioned the wardrobe though
the activity center around the wardrobe, because it seems to
me that's reminiscent of a medium's psychic medium's cabinet developed
a you know, sciance trance cabinet or physical mediums siance cabinet.
Because I've in my research, is that a lot of
ghosts that I've kind of well, it tends to be
spirits rather than ghosts. In other words, people that have
departed this world. They tend to be seen by the
people that I've read about or talked to talk to.
They tend to be seen in doorways or in window frames.
And that kind of talied up a little bit once
I saw this documentary where this guy was in a
one of the most haunted houses in Scotland and he
was working on his computer and he said he felt
a presence watching him from the doorway behind him, and
they called in this sort of paranormal research team and
they went in where they're little detectors of electromagnetic frequencies
and stuff like that. They said there's a lot of
electromagnetic energy in this building, but they said it's particularly
very strong around this doorway, which was the doorway in
question behind the guy, and that even started making me think, hmm,
that's interesting. So my theory is, and again it extends
into it the famish way that you know, don't move
the building around because it will all disappear, is that
these constructions of doorways help in some way focus the energy,
rather like a spirit in a sunce cabinet will come
out and walk about. It helps the energy condense and
form in some way, whether it becomes a physical person,
it might become a noise or a manifestation of some sort.
And so you talked about that that cupboard there suggests
that it could could have some kind of sort of connection.
I think are you familiar to all with the Doddleston mystery.
Oh that one, Yeah, I've heard you have refreshed with
memory because this happened in about nineteen eighty four and
it was this old cottage in the village of Dondalston.
We're drawing to a close here, we've got about five
minutes left. It goes to chronicle. See, so it's a
village in Dalston on the Welsh border, and this teacher
borrowed an old bb well, so the early BBC micro
computers at the time I remember now, yeah, yeah, yeah,
the book came out about it, didn't the Yeah, from
the Trudor period or something. Yeah, the guy from Tudor
Times called Lucas who was communicating through this computer. But
initially that started off with poltergeist activity, cans of bait
beans being snacked, now, noises upstairs, that kind of thing.
But it manifested in a very unique way, which is
communicating with his computer, which I thought was very interesting.
And it referred he referred to some sort of strange
box that he'd been given by someoney so line from
the years. It's from the future, being from twenty thirty
five or twenty one thirty five or something like that. Yeah,
there was a documentary made about it on BBC. I
think it's on YouTube. Actually, yes, so it is on YouTube. Yes,
strange but true, or so that's strange but true. I think, yeah,
that one I read the book called the vertical plane
very interesting in and the people that are involved in it,
they don't really like to talk about it too much.
They're still around Ken Webster and his partner, but they're
not out grabbing the limelight, but they still maintain it's true,
which is interesting. So as we draw for a close, now,
if you wanted to tell us about your books, and
if people want to contact you via website, how they
can do that and things. Yes, yeah, it's John Westmedia
dot com. My book's Britain's Haunted Land, Britain's Ghostly Heritage,
Britain's Haunted Heritage. You're available from the publisher's website Joam
d Media. They are on Amazon. Psychic News is available
in most good newsagents, wh Smith's like that, things place
like that. I'm also doing this a TV pilot, The
Ghost Chronicles, with Jason Figus and an Australian paranormal team.
I've written the names down as I don't forget Dan Rickard,
Beat Casalletto and Angelo Accardi, and we're going to York
to film this. We're going to look into several haunted
locations and it will be premiered by Ghost Flicks TV
in Germany and hopefully it will be a series leading
on from that. I suggested using York because it's supposed
to be the most haunted city after London to one
hundred and forty ghosts at the last count, and we
will be going to Marsden Moore, which is outside of York,
but that's a haunted battlefield, and we were looking at
the Golden Fleece Pub and hopefully some other haunted locations,
including hopefully the Roman Bath. We can't get into the
Treasurer's house because the seller's closed at the moment because
of asbestos. We won't be able to investigate that one.
But so that will be coming out and say they're
Australia's top paranormal team. Angela was involved with an organization
called Spirit for Australia and Dan and Pete were with
a Night Watchers paranormal so they're very well respected. And
obviously Jason Figures the director is very well respected. I've
worked with him before and we're hoping it's going to
be sort of well received. It's not going to be
like some of these other ghost UNEs in shows where
we're running around screaming at every bang and using wieze
bars to conjure up god knows what. We didn't really
want to go down that route. I think it's been
overdone show. So yes, yeah, okay, that's brilliant. So when's
the first series of anything going to come on too,
Amazon or Netflix that we can look out for. Well,
the Ghost Chronicles will be filmed in September, so hopefully.
I mean obviously Joson's got who Edits It? But that
will be premiered on Ghost Flicks and then hopefully on
other streaming services that ended this year, beginning and next.
The poltic Ice is going to be director made this year,
so again that will be next year before it's out.
Same with the Jack the Ripper and the Colin Wilson's
I'm chatting with streamers now, so hopefully these will be
out the end of this year, beginning, beginning and next.
I've also written the documentary on Bram Stoker called Father
of Dracula, which again will be made this year, but
that will be out next year. And that's just about
his life and how he was inspired to write Dracker
and I look into the folkalur surrounding vampirism and Daker
Stoker that he's sending the Bram Stoker applied me with
a lot of material which was a great help. So
so yeah, I've been keeping busy, but wow, wow, good stuff.
All right, well, thank you very much indeed for your time,
John West, Ghost, extraordinary researcher, and all the other things
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