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Terms and conditions apply. 24 00:00:59.600 --> 00:00:59.960 See what. 25 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:15.680 Host you are now listening to? True Murder, The most 26 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.079 shocking killers in true crime history and the authors that 27 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:25.359 have written about them. Gaesy Bundy Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK. 28 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:30.079 Every week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking 29 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.239 and infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with 30 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.760 your host, journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 31 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:49.879 Good Eating. This is your host Dan Supaski for the 32 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.079 program True Murder, The most shocking killers in true crime 33 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.640 history and the authors that have written about them. In Creekstone, Texas, 34 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.480 a small quiet suburb of Houston, football was king and 35 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:04.319 David Temple was a prince. A former high school and 36 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:08.280 college gridiron star turned coach, had a fairy tale marriage 37 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:12.039 to bright, vivacious Belinda Lucas, a teacher at the local 38 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:15.039 high school who was so warm and popular her colleagues 39 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:18.639 called her the Sunshine Girl. The fairytale ended savagely on 40 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:22.680 January eleventh, nineteen ninety nine, when Belinda's lifeless body was 41 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.840 discovered in the closet. Her skull had been shattered by 42 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:30.159 a shotgun blast at close range. She was eight months pregnant. 43 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:34.199 There was no damning evidence directly linking the brutal murder 44 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:37.520 to husband David, who stood by, emotionless and dry eyed 45 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:41.319 as police searched the crime scene. But a dog at 46 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:45.879 eight year investigation would expose a shocking history of domination, infidelity, 47 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:49.599 and rage, ultimately resulting in an epic court room battle 48 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.639 for the ages as a scandalous truth was revealed about 49 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:57.800 love betrayed and innocent lives shattered. My special guest this evening, 50 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:02.719 journalist and author Catherine Casey with her latest true crime 51 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:06.639 classic Shattered. Thank you very much for agreeing to this interview, 52 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:10.439 and welcome back to the program. Catherine Casey, Thank. 53 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:11.759 You, Dan, thank you for inviting me. 54 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:16.080 Thank you very much. First off, it's my favorite question. 55 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:20.560 I always ask it, what in particular brought you to 56 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.159 this case? How did you come to want to write 57 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:25.240 about this particular case. 58 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:29.280 I live in Houston, Texas, and this happened right outside, 59 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:33.639 right west of the city, and it made major headlines 60 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:36.599 down here. This was a very big case. Belinda was, 61 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:39.280 as you said, a beloved teacher, and she was eight 62 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:43.479 months pregnant, and David was this lone star football hero 63 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:47.000 both in high school and college, and it just seems 64 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:50.159 like such an improbable end to what was a fairytale marriage. 65 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:54.599 Right Well, now let's go back and introduce the characters 66 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:59.039 in this incredible story. Here. First off with David Temple, 67 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:02.280 the football star, and we're talking about Creekstone, Texas, a 68 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:07.240 suburb of Houston, and maybe you can tell us how 69 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:11.919 important football is in this community of Creekstone, at this 70 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:14.879 high school, and how big a star David Temple really was, 71 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.800 and go back to David Temple and introduce his life 72 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:22.240 growing up and really a little bit about David Temple. 73 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.560 David actually grew up in Katie, Texas, which is right 74 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.199 next to Creekstone, and Katie is like Friday night lights 75 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.199 gone mad. It's the kind of place where they closed 76 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.040 up the stores on Friday nights so that everybody could 77 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:40.600 go to the football game. Football is king, it rules, 78 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:45.000 and David Temple was the football player that turned the 79 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:49.040 Katie High School team around. They had a remarkable year 80 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:51.800 of the year that he was there. They almost won 81 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:54.480 it all and he was a big reason for that. 82 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:59.800 He then went off to college and had a remarkable 83 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.879 we were at Stephen F. Austin and Acadocius. He was 84 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:05.759 a talented athlete from the time he was young, and 85 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:08.839 because he was he was treated differently. He had also 86 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:12.199 grown up in a family that was kind of Katie hierarchy. 87 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:15.720 They go way back in the Katie area and people 88 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:19.519 like them. They're they were well thoughtoed they were. They 89 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:26.639 were thought of his very good people, good church going family, 90 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:30.519 and they had this remarkable son. But David also had 91 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:35.079 this other side. He was incredibly violent on the football field. 92 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.240 At one point they were calling him the Temple of Doom. 93 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.839 On the field, he once nearly broke another players back. 94 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:47.800 He also was known to go into rages off the 95 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.199 fields and people had to be very careful around him. 96 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:56.560 He had a problem with a high school girlfriend and 97 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:59.920 she refused to see him again, and the rumor was 98 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:03.160 that he had strangled her pet rabbits. 99 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:08.959 Well. To be fair though, did he have any run 100 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.560 ins with the law whatsoever? We did? 101 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:17.439 At one point he did. He was arrested for stealing 102 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:22.199 uh fuzzbusters remember those from back in the eighties, the 103 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:25.399 uh yeah, for the in the cars. I can't think 104 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:30.519 what's the other name is, but they're they're radar detective okay, yeah, 105 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.759 And he he was arrested along with another young man, 106 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:38.759 a player on the team, and he ended up actually 107 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.920 being uh. I think he pleaded no contest or something 108 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:45.639 on the charge, and he was suspected and I think 109 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:49.279 around seven or eight different instances different robberies in the 110 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:52.879 Katie area. And the other player at the time said 111 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:57.000 that they were using the Fuzzbusters or selling the Fuzzbusters 112 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:03.639 to get money for drugs for steroids. I'm sorry. So, yeah, 113 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:05.319 he did have a run in with the law. And 114 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.439 the people in Katie and the police department knew about David. 115 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:11.480 They had heard the stories about his bad temper. It 116 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:14.000 was rumored that he had once tried to run an 117 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:17.360 elderly couple off the road. I mean, this is a 118 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:23.839 kid that from Jang' was acting out and doing really 119 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:27.439 showing a violence side, and everybody looked the other way 120 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:28.759 because he could play football. 121 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:34.439 Sure, No, he went to college and had a successful 122 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:38.000 football career, and so now he becomes a high school 123 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:42.120 football coach and obviously as well as a teacher at 124 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:43.120 Katie High. 125 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:48.199 As it, he was at another school in the a 126 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:52.439 Leaf School district, which is right next door, right, he 127 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:53.839 was in the middle school there. 128 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:58.680 Okay, so he had a successful career as a teacher, 129 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:02.879 at least till this incident. Anyway, he did. 130 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:05.240 He was pretty well liked. Actually, he was a pretty 131 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:10.839 good coach. He came down a little tough on the 132 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:13.959 kids sometimes and he'd had to be pulled aside and 133 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:18.680 told to, you know, ease off. They were just junior 134 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:22.959 high school kids, just high school kids, and actually was 135 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.240 high school. He was coaching high school, but teaching in 136 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:30.160 the middle school at the ninth grade center. So he 137 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:33.120 you know, he was a little bit on edge at times, 138 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:36.600 but he was fairly well liked actually when it got 139 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:37.279 to that point. 140 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:42.039 Now you talk about the parents of David Temple, and 141 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:46.639 if I'm not correct, to Ken and Maureen, and now 142 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:50.200 he also has some siblings, and maybe he can tell us, 143 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.240 because they're very important to this story as well. Tell 144 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:55.200 us about the siblings of David Temple and give us 145 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:59.399 their approximate ages of who they are in relation in 146 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:02.000 relationship the age did David, Well, I know. 147 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:03.840 You were in front of me, but I believe that 148 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:06.600 each of them are two years apart. I think Darren 149 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:09.240 is two years older and Kevin is two years younger, 150 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:15.200 David being the middle son, and they were very close brothers. 151 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:17.279 They grew up to be very close. 152 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:23.440 Now this is important later, but there is testimony that, 153 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:26.600 and this is part of the community as well. Not 154 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.399 everybody is a hunter or a fisherman, but these people 155 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:34.759 have a little bit of a tradition of hunting in 156 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:37.080 their in their family. So tell us a little bit 157 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.320 about that. That did they as a family go hunting? 158 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:44.360 How did they get interested in? How involved were these 159 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:45.200 people in hunting? 160 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:49.039 Well, in the Katie area is the main flyway and 161 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:51.639 ducks and geese fly over it, and most of the 162 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:56.639 young men grow up hunting, and David did along with 163 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:59.039 his two brothers. As a matter of fact, their house 164 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:02.320 was a jason to a rice field, which of course 165 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:05.399 is kind of lures in birds. So sure it was 166 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:08.960 a great place to go out even after school during 167 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.679 the season and shoot. So the father Ken gave each 168 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:19.279 of the boys shotgun at a different time. So this 169 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:21.039 was a big part of their lives. It's a big 170 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:25.279 part of the entire community in Katie, Okay. 171 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:28.440 So now he's a successful teacher, he's a successful coach, 172 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.159 he's been a star football player, and as you've talked about, 173 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:34.600 he's privileged and arrogant and has a violent streak and 174 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:38.399 has gotten away with things for years. Now he meets 175 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:42.360 a woman named Belinda Lucas and when does he meet Belinda, 176 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:45.480 And what are the circumstances when they do meet, and 177 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:47.919 where did they meet? And tell us about Belinda and 178 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:49.399 her life and her parents. 179 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:54.159 Well, Belinda grew up in Nagadocius, Texas, which is about 180 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:57.240 I think it's about three or four hours north of Houston. 181 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:00.559 And David did not get into one of the big 182 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:04.440 name schools. He was quite disappointed about that, and he 183 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:08.679 ended up at Stephen Faustin and Acadocius and he was 184 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:11.720 a big man on campus. The year that Belinda met him, 185 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:15.600 his picture was up all over all over the city. 186 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:20.080 He was on the cover of the football team's program, 187 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:23.120 so there were actually posters in a lot of the stores. 188 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:27.960 Belinda grew up in this small town, well not small town, 189 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:34.720 small city, and she was the fifth child of Tom 190 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:37.679 and Carol Lucas. She was a twin. She has a 191 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:41.080 twin sister named Brenda. And Belinda was just a really 192 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.759 special human being from the very beginning, she was just 193 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:45.639 one of those people had just kind of glowed and 194 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:51.159 she loved people. She was very athletic, she was always busy. 195 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:54.000 She just she could laugh and make everything go away. 196 00:11:54.480 --> 00:12:00.120 She loved children. One of her brothers his deaf, and 197 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.240 Belinda was the only one in the family that learned 198 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:04.399 sign language in order to be able to talk with 199 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:08.639 him using sign language. She was just she had a 200 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.000 really good heart, and she really loved family, and she 201 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:14.759 grew up wanting a really good family. The problem was 202 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:18.320 that within her nuclear family there was quite a bit 203 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:24.039 of tension. And it wasn't that, you know, it wasn't 204 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:28.159 like a courier in ives, you know, Christmas. It was 205 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:32.200 Things were always a little strained at the Lucas house, 206 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:35.519 and it became more so she got older, and it 207 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.159 ended up that she moved out during college because of 208 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:42.360 roles that her father was putting down. So she was 209 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:45.279 a little bit estranged from her family, not completely, but 210 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.639 a little bit. And when she met David, David kind 211 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:52.279 of took over her life and she was pretty much 212 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.320 absorbed into the Temple family. 213 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:59.320 No, she didn't recognize any of this violent streak when 214 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.159 she first met him. She was caught up with his 215 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:08.080 charm and his good looks and his importance in the community. Obviously, 216 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:12.120 she was charmed enough for these people to date and 217 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:15.720 tell us about the meeting and tell us what she 218 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.759 first thought her first impressions of David were when she 219 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:23.840 talked to her girlfriends about meeting him and her relationship. 220 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:26.679 Well, this was a pretty heavy thing to have the 221 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.039 star of the football team as your boyfriend are interested 222 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:33.480 in you in the beginning, sure, and he was actually 223 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:38.039 dating someone else at the time who he dropped immediately 224 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:43.279 when he started to see Belinda. She was really taken 225 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.240 by him. And I don't know that David had the 226 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:49.679 tendency talking to his previous girlfriends. He has a tendency 227 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:53.080 to really cater to a woman, to really put her 228 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:56.279 on a pedestal, to the extent that he's known to 229 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:58.919 beat up other guys in bars if they even look 230 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.720 at the woman as at a woman who's his girlfriend. 231 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:06.480 So you know, he was very He gave a lot 232 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:08.600 of roses. He was the kind of guy who showed 233 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:11.320 up with flowers, the kind of guy who left love 234 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.679 notes on her car. On the other hand, from the 235 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:18.799 very beginning in the relationships, he was always very controlling. 236 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:23.080 It was always, you know, you come to my family's 237 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:26.600 house for Christmas, you come with me when I want 238 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.600 to go out. If I tell you I'm coming over, 239 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:33.360 I'm coming over there was very little, he tended to 240 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:37.360 segregate the women, all of his girlfriends, and he did 241 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.480 the same thing with Belinda. Pretty soon he had segregated 242 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:42.519 her from her family. 243 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.240 Yeah, you do give an example too, when Brenda was 244 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:51.039 wanted to come down and at a Christmas I'm jumping 245 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:54.519 ahead a little bit, but it showed the domination where 246 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:58.320 he canceled those plans that were for Christmas and said, listen, 247 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.639 you know she had to tell her sister, you know, 248 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.240 that the planet had changed, and the idea that the family, 249 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:07.960 that she wouldn't see her own family at Christmas and 250 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:12.240 instead they would spend with his family was a really good, 251 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:16.120 clear example of that kind of domination. That's pretty good 252 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:17.679 evidence of it for sure. 253 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.399 Well, if David, Belinda told many people that David just 254 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:24.360 didn't want her to see her family at all. She 255 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:29.000 called him, he called him terrible names and talked to 256 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:33.639 belittle of them and said that he didn't want after 257 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:35.480 they did get married and they had a child, that 258 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:39.600 he didn't want their son around Belinda's family at all. 259 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.399 So he really did. He made a I don't know 260 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:45.399 if it was a conscious effort, I think it was, 261 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:48.559 but it certainly a concerted effort to cut her off 262 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.399 from her support system, and that included her sister and 263 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:54.159 brothers and her parents. 264 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:58.759 Now, the event that we talk about is in nineteen 265 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:01.440 ninety nine. But when did they get married? When did 266 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:02.919 they meet? And when did they get married? 267 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.879 Hey, Guysaida is Ryan. I'm not sure if you know 268 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:07.799 this about me, but I'm a bit of a fun 269 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:09.679 fanatic when I can. I like to work, but I 270 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:12.120 like fun too. It's a thing. 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Okay. 288 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:04.119 The little girl she was carrying was to be named 289 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:07.279 Aaron right right now. 290 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:12.240 In a conversation she had with her girlfriend, I guess 291 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:16.839 the marriage obviously, we'll get to that. But the marriage 292 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:22.119 had changed. So was she very aware of changes with 293 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:25.839 David and his This was her dissatisfaction in relationship. How 294 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:28.839 did the relationship her marriage fair? He said it was 295 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:33.480 nomination separation, but was there violence? How what would you 296 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:38.200 characterize the marriage like and when did it really deteriorate 297 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:40.440 or when did it change? 298 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:43.240 You know, I think it actually happened gradually, Dan, I mean, 299 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:46.559 this is really this marriage had the fairy tale beginning. 300 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:50.880 He proposed to her on the football field, dropped down 301 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.960 on his knees in front of all of their friends, 302 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:57.960 and you know, he was this chivalrous guy. And then 303 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:01.039 you know, within a year they were living in a 304 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:05.799 rental house in a small town outside Nacadocius, and she's 305 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:09.319 starting to say that he's never home and she tells 306 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:12.240 a friend, I wonder if he's going out on me. 307 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:15.799 I wonder if he's seeing other women. But then immediately 308 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.400 she would change her minding. Oh well, no, David wouldn't 309 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.000 do that to me. I know, David wouldn't do that 310 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:26.000 to me. Belinda really wanted the family. She really wanted 311 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:30.319 the whole Norman Rockwell family. You know, she didn't have 312 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.640 that growing up. Her family wasn't that close. It was 313 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.880 important to her and she was willing to overlook a 314 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:39.880 lot and a lot of times she was willing to 315 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:45.960 talk herself out of things. But David, it appears, had 316 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:49.519 a wandering eye from you know, at some point in 317 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.440 the marriage that developed as they went along. 318 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:55.880 Now the thing is they have a three year old 319 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:59.079 and they have a daughter on the way. So he 320 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:01.480 has a son, they have a son, there's a daughter 321 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:06.559 on the way. Tell us about the preparation for the child. 322 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:09.680 And it seems like if she didn't think that he 323 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:13.119 was stepping out on her, she was definitely now telling 324 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:15.559 her girlfriends that she was disappointed she had to hire 325 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:18.839 somebody to put up some shelving in the nursery. He 326 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:22.400 didn't seem to be so interested. And I think understandably 327 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:24.759 that would be a big fear of you're eight months 328 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:28.640 pregnant and somebody looks like they're not so interested, So 329 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:29.920 tell us a little bit about that. 330 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:34.839 Well, she didn't. It had actually started this summer before 331 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:38.039 they had gone about six weeks where they didn't talk 332 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:43.319 at all, and Belinda was telling her friends that she 333 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:47.160 didn't believe that he loved her anymore. And then suddenly 334 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:50.039 they got back together and she was pregnant, and she 335 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:53.759 at first acted like everything was wonderful, but then she 336 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:57.599 started talking about David really not wanting a baby girl 337 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:01.519 and him not being excited, and as you said, he 338 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:05.440 didn't help prepare the nursery. She would show up at 339 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.519 Katie High School to go to work and talk about 340 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:12.559 how she had had to paint the room all by herself, 341 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:16.480 and how she'd had to put the crib together by herself. 342 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:20.640 And as you said, she had this idea for a 343 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:23.119 shelf she wanted to put up in the baby's room, 344 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:25.119 and it was one of those things that was really 345 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:27.400 important to her, you know how sometimes things take on 346 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:31.279 added meaning to people, and she really wanted his help 347 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:35.359 with this, and he never did do it. He never 348 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:36.480 got that shelf up. 349 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:42.599 Now let's introduce the another one of the main characters 350 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:47.519 in this incredible story. Heather Scott and who is she? 351 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:52.759 Where did she come from? She was new to this area. 352 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:56.359 And tell us a little bit about Heather Scott, her background. 353 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:58.240 Who was she? 354 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:01.640 She grew up in a little town outside College Station. 355 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.440 She had a lot in common with Melinda. They're both 356 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:11.279 very pretty. She was a cheerleader like Belinda was. She 357 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.759 dated a football player. They were both teachers, and they 358 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:18.880 were both twins. They both had twin sisters, and they 359 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.400 were both very bright. And she had gone to College 360 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:25.319 Station to Texas A and M and she had a 361 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:29.559 teaching degree. And she followed a friend and moved to 362 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:33.759 Houston and started teaching in the Katie School district in 363 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:38.640 the fall of nineteen ninety eight. And actually I think 364 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:40.599 it was a little bit before that she moved in, 365 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:45.039 But she was at David's school teaching English in the 366 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:50.440 fall of nineteen ninety eight, and before long they started 367 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:54.480 showing up places together. She wasn't the type of person 368 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:57.480 that had a lot of boyfriends that was out all 369 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:01.160 the time. Her roommate said that she they actually kept 370 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:04.079 to themselves for quite a while after Heather moved to Houston. 371 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:09.440 But you know, she was well liked and very pretty, 372 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:13.000 and David noticed her. 373 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:18.920 Now there's another important character, just to go backwards just 374 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:21.839 a step, and another person, a friend and a co 375 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:25.680 teacher as well, and the friends of mutual friends of 376 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:31.079 Heather and David is a man named Quinton and quintin Harmon, 377 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:37.319 I think, but anyway, Quentin also was well, it was 378 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.759 flirtatious with Heather, was flirting with Heather, and David and 379 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:47.680 Quinton had spoken about Heather and their own relationships. Maybe 380 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:49.519 tell us a little bit about Quinn because he's an 381 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:51.359 interesting character in this story as well. 382 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.359 Well. Quentin was married to Tammy and they had daughters. 383 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.480 They had three daughters, and he was taken with Heather. 384 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.599 It was kind of a flirtation. He and Tammy were 385 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:07.680 going through a little bit of a rough spot and 386 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:11.880 he was interested a little bit in Heather, although he 387 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:14.400 never pursued it the way that David did. But the 388 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.400 really interesting thing is that Quentin and David were very 389 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:21.319 very uh uh. They were always trying to one up 390 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:26.240 each other. So when Quinton put a like a fountain 391 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:29.200 in their backyard, well then David had to put one 392 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:31.480 in and his head to be bigger, in his head, 393 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:35.119 to be better sure, And David was always telling Quinton 394 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:37.119 what to do and where to go, and always trying 395 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:40.559 to lure Quintin out to do things that Quinton really 396 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:43.680 didn't want to do, as far as going out to 397 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:47.920 bars and topless places and everything. So it became one 398 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:51.160 of those relationships where there was just a lot of, 399 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.319 you know, kind of a guy relationship where there was 400 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.680 a lot of back and forth and ego, you know, 401 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:02.240