WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:07.000 Hey, guys, I get it. Ads suck. I pay to 2 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:09.480 get rid of ads on YouTube and some of my 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:14.480 other favorite podcasts. My four dollars a month tier get 4 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.359 you an AD free listening experience. 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:22.600 Achilles is the one who was meant to be the 6 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:26.719 son of Zeus. He was meant to be immortal and 7 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:29.800 meant to maybe even overthrow his father and be the 8 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:33.200 king of the heavens. Instead, he's imbortal and justin I 9 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.759 think you can imagine that throughout his young life, his 10 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:40.560 mother probably kept reminding him, oh, my son, you short 11 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:42.960 lived of all people, And that's what she says throughout 12 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:44.640 the illio and every time she sees him, in fact, 13 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:46.799 every time she sees somebody else, she says, have you 14 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:50.600 heard about my son Achilles? Most short lived of all portals? 15 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:53.960 So you can imagine that Achilles will be obsessed with 16 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:56.719 his own mortality, And to me, that's the backstory, my 17 00:00:56.759 --> 00:01:01.840 amiliate here is a human being wrestling with his own mortality. 18 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:05.120 The disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out there, how 19 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:07.680 dare You? 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The purpose of the show is 21 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.480 to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds and. 22 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:15.280 Grow not what we want. 23 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:18.200 If you are looking for an echo chamber, viewers and 24 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.079 listener discretion's abused. 25 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:25.560 You talk about extreme. 26 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.640 What is happening and what is the Hold out your 27 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:38.599 glass because we're about to feel. 28 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:42.040 The join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown. 29 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:46.799 It's a hero's journey with dragons to slay, damsels to save, 30 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:53.079 and innumerable treasures to hoard, torches high, you know, look 31 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:56.920 at it from a different perspective, different perspective, differ. 32 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:08.680 Okay, Hey, what is happening and what is up? Hold 33 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:10.319 out your glass. 34 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:14.960 Because you have chosen wisely, because we are about to 35 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:19.039 feel it. Welcome to the Prometheus Lins Podcast, the place 36 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:22.680 with the conversations are always in lightning. I'm your host, 37 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:25.479 Justin and here we like to use the allegory of 38 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:31.599 the Prometheus Lens to take a second look at everything. Hey, 39 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.560 if you knew to the channel, welcome to the Hero's Journey. 40 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:36.800 Be sure and hit that like button and hit that 41 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:40.479 subscribe button down below. We'll have our socials come down 42 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:43.159 check us out our various platforms, and that would be 43 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:47.560 much appreciated. But today we got a returning guest. We 44 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:51.759 got Lou Marcos. We had a great conversation in my 45 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.439 very first episode on The Hero's Journey. We recently had 46 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:59.199 him on with doctor Judd Burton and we talked about 47 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:01.840 the Greek Dark Ages and kind of laid out a timeline. 48 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.520 It was a real good conversation, just to be a 49 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:06.879 fly on the wall and set in. So I asked 50 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:09.319 Lou to come back and take a deeper dive into 51 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:11.960 the Iliad. So I'd like to welcome Lou back to 52 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:13.439 the show. Lou, thank you for your time. 53 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:13.639 Man. 54 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:15.520 I appree, thanks, justin good to be back on. 55 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:19.240 And we extended the invite to doctor Judd. He has 56 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:22.960 some engagements he has, but I did send the email. 57 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.560 He said that he may come in if he has time, 58 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:29.120 so we may get a swinging guest in the middle 59 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:29.960 of this discussion. 60 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:31.400 Great. 61 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.680 Well, for those that maybe miss those other episodes, Lou, 62 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:39.199 just give everybody an introduction and let everybody know a 63 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:40.319 little bit about yourself. 64 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:42.960 Well. Thanks. My name is Lou Marcos and I'm a 65 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.759 professor of English, scholar and residence at Houston Christian University. 66 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.080 We used to be called Houston Baptist and I've been 67 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.919 teaching that for thirty three years. I grew up in 68 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:54.159 New Jersey and went to Colgate and Upset in New York, 69 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.520 then on to the University of Michigan as an English professor. 70 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:01.599 I teach the Romantic and Victorian poets, but I also 71 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:04.960 do anything and everything with ancient Greece and Rome, and 72 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:08.159 also at C. S. Lewis and jer R. Tolkien, and 73 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:10.840 I've published lots of books, and lots of my books 74 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:15.960 are about bringing Athens and Jerusalem together. That means, let's 75 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:21.360 take our Greco Roman heritage and our Judeo Christian heritage 76 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:24.800 and try to bring them together. So I write books 77 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:27.959 with names like from Achilles to Christ, or from Plato 78 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.680 to Christ, or next year, from Aristotle to Christ, or 79 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.000 the myth main fact. And so I'm always interested in 80 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:38.639 mythology and in archetypes, in what we can learn from 81 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:45.879 myths and stories and these archetypes, these images or events 82 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:51.279 or themes that keep repeating themselves across all different cultures 83 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:54.639 and all different times. And what we'd like to do, 84 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:58.120 like you do, justin, is to follow the argument wherever 85 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:00.639 it leads. And so we want to go in a 86 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.120 thinking holiday, if you will. And I love above all 87 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:08.079 the epics, the Iliad, the Odyssey, the Eneid, Dante's Divine Comedy, 88 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:11.920 Milton's Paradise Lost, all the way on up to Wordsworths Prelude, 89 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:16.879 and Tennyson's in Memoriams. So I am particularly an epic fanboy. 90 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.000 All right, me too? And the thing is is some 91 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:25.680 people find it hard to separate whether these are historical accounts. 92 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:29.040 Are these just you know, stories, legends, myths? 93 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:29.959 Uh? 94 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.480 Is there a distinction in these? And what's your opinion? 95 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.079 Only the Iliad I think. 96 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:38.319 I mean normally, when we talk about a myth like 97 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.439 Perseus cutting off the head of Medusa, we seem to 98 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:46.959 be in a very mythic world, more of a fantasy world. 99 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:51.040 But when we move into legend, I think we've got 100 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:56.680 a core of historical stuff, but it's elaborated on. And 101 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.199 the best example of this in the world, in the 102 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.920 Northern European world are the stories of King Arthur. I 103 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.240 think there probably was a King Arthur, probably sometime between 104 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:10.759 the downfall of Rome and the sort of Anglo Saxons 105 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:15.680 taking over. Arthur seems to have been a transitional figure. 106 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.600 He probably didn't do all the things that he does 107 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:22.720 in the legends, but I think based in a real 108 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:27.720 historical event and a real historical period, we start elaborating 109 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:29.959 a good thing I remember doing and report as a 110 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.480 kid on the Three Musketeers, and it turns out that 111 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:37.600 there probably was an Athos, Porthos and Aramis, and some 112 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:41.519 of the things that happened in the Three Musketeers probably happened, 113 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:44.240 but not at the same time and with the same people. 114 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:49.480 So Duma is joining things together. Maybe there wasn't Achilles, 115 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:51.959 but maybe he didn't do everything that we attribute to him. 116 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:55.040 But I think when we're in the world of legend, 117 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.800 we have a foot in history, an attempt to understand 118 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:04.199 past and what we stand for. Maybe the best simple 119 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:08.079 example of legend is the story of George Washington cutting 120 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:11.439 down the cherry tree. I cannot tell a lie. Father. Well, 121 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:16.399 apparently most historians nowadays say that never happened, But in 122 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.480 one sense it doesn't make a difference because we hold 123 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:22.680 on to that because it tells us that our first 124 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:27.120 president and America values honesty. I don't know if that's 125 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:30.480 true anymore justin but it was true at a certain time. 126 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:34.800 So legends like that have a foot in reality and 127 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:40.639 are probably capturing a real memory and we talked about 128 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.399 this a little bit before with Judd. A lot of 129 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:48.120 legends are carried down by the oral tradition, where it's 130 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:52.759 passed down by a series of bars, and those things 131 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.279 were studied a lot, and it turns out that the 132 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:59.759 oral tradition is much more reliable than we often think. 133 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:03.240 I'm so tied Justine of the New Atheist. When they 134 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.240 talk about the Bible or the Gospel stories, they always say, 135 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:10.240 didn't you ever play the game telephone where you whisper 136 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:13.240 in somebody's ear? First of all, I played telephone as 137 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.240 a kid, and it never was wacko. Okay, First of all, 138 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:18.839 they have this idea. And second of all, the oral 139 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.639 tradition is not a game. I mean the oral tradition, 140 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:25.519 especially amongst the Jews and the scribes passing things down, 141 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:28.839 there was a system and a method to it that 142 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:32.679 was reliable. It wasn't just some kid's game. It was 143 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:35.600 I mean, especially if the oral tradition, it's when a 144 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:39.279 civilization is illiterate, how are they going to carry down 145 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:42.759 their values and their beliefs and the heroic acts of 146 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:46.799 their ancestors, their forefathers. Well, they carry it down in 147 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:51.519 an oral tradition until it is written down. Now, a 148 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:56.399 lot of people say Genesis was oral tradition, and they 149 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:59.840 think that that means it's not true. Well, mean it's 150 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:04.000 not true. I do believe Moses gathered together the oral tradition, 151 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:07.639 but he did it under the direct inspiration of God. 152 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.440 So just saying something is oral tradition doesn't mean it 153 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:14.799 is not true. Again, people play these games. We just 154 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:17.240 got this studio value and you know what I mean, 155 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:20.600 justin you've heard it. That's this ridiculous notion about telephone, 156 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:22.440 and that's what's going on, and it is not going 157 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:26.159 on that way in any shape or form. Our ancestors 158 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:29.000 are always smarter than we think they are. Let's put 159 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:31.960 it that way. They're the ones that build those incredible buildings, 160 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:33.600 and we still don't know how they did it. We 161 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.519 don't know who they got those giant stones up mountains 162 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:39.320 and things like that. So we have to have a 163 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:44.200 little humility and avoid what C. S. Lewis called chronological snobbery, 164 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:48.000 the idea that newer must be better and older must 165 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:51.399 be ignorant. And if we don't believe in something anymore, 166 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:55.879 it must have been disproven. But nobody ever disproved miracles. 167 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:59.080 David Hume thought he did the shoddiest chapter I've ever 168 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:02.320 read miracles in any shape or form. But people still 169 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:07.240 think that because most people, but the literary people, don't 170 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.519 believe it. It's been disproven, and nobody ever disproved it. 171 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:13.519 They just stopped believing in it because they don't like 172 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:14.879 accountability basically. 173 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:16.960 Oh yeah. 174 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:18.919 And the thing is too is you know, you look 175 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.360 back and you talk about the Megolithic structures and the legends, 176 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:26.360 and yeah, they might have you know, elaborated, you know, 177 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:28.919 and stretched the truth a little bit or you know, 178 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:33.600 added some things to make the story more you know, fantastical. 179 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:36.080 But at the same time, it's like you look at 180 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:39.799 things like the Great Pyramid, you know, Manku Pichu and 181 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.840 all this stuff, it's like, we can't do it today. 182 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.679 And then the stuff they did try to build later 183 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:49.639 was no, it couldn't hold a candle to it. So 184 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:53.679 it's like it you know, it's reverse. It's you think 185 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:56.720 things you get better at building things and doing things 186 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.159 over time, but in fact, when we look in history, 187 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:00.000 it's the opposite. 188 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:00.200 It. 189 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:03.720 Yeah, they're trying to recreate some of these things, and 190 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:08.480 it's a really crappy job or crappy imitation. So it's like, 191 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:10.720 we don't know what that world looked like back then. 192 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:14.720 It might have been straight up Tolkien, you know, reducea 193 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:16.759 snakehead people and stuff. 194 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:20.200 You know, I mean, and you know, so many people 195 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:23.240 have done these things where they'll take a picture of 196 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.320 you know, like like an image on a temple or 197 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:29.159 something of a dragon, and then they'll put it next 198 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:32.320 to a dinosaur and they often look quite alike. I mean, 199 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:35.080 it's amazing. And all over the world these talks of 200 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:40.600 dragons and things like that. So again, a little humility, 201 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:42.720 I mean, you know, also, the ancient world was more 202 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:46.320 fluid than we think, going back and forth, traveling back 203 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.480 and forth, engaged in trade and things like that. And 204 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:53.080 it's just like today where trading partners are all of 205 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.320 a sudden enemies and they have a war, and then 206 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:58.000 after the war they become trading partners again. So and 207 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.039 you know, this idea of not ader standing the difference 208 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:05.519 between the absolute fact and a legend. How many times 209 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:08.559 have you seen a movie based on historical events and 210 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:13.279 it is basically true, but it's been dramatized, and you know, 211 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:17.919 certain characters are collapsed together. The timetable is usually collapsed, 212 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:23.200 but we still recognize it as a mostly true account 213 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.039 of something that happened in history, so we can imagine 214 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:28.240 it in film. But then we see it in an 215 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:30.039 ancient book and we want to just, I don't know, 216 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:32.720 somehow dismiss it as all just myth. 217 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:39.600 Well, if we go into the Aliad itself, and basically 218 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:44.440 for those that are unfamiliar with it, it's a Greek 219 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:50.000 epic and it's about the ten year Trojan War, and 220 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:52.679 it starts off basically and you kind of get like 221 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:56.799 a backstory of the one of the main characters in 222 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:01.600 the story of Achilles you want to go into. 223 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:08.480 So who is Achilles? Okay, well, it's a very interesting 224 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:10.840 backstory that you almost have to know it before you 225 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.440 start reading the Ilien, which is kind of what's expected. 226 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.720 Just like anybody watches a Life of Christ, they kind 227 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:18.720 of know what's going to happen, right, I think they 228 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:20.840 know he's not going to be let go, all right, 229 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:22.600 but we bring it into this. 230 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:25.600 So the backstory is a sixth prime example. 231 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:26.639 Oh true. 232 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.720 Yeah, they didn't elaborate much because everyone knew that story 233 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:33.879 and they had oral tradition and. 234 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:37.320 Yeah, and so it's almost just a little bit of 235 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.799 a trigger to say, Okay, you know this, now, let's 236 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.279 move on to the other details. So there was Zeus 237 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.360 right now. First there was a guy named Aornos to heaven, 238 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:51.279 and Aronos was overthrown by his son Promos, and then 239 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:56.559 later on Pronos was overthrown by his son Zeus. Now Zeus, 240 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.399 the god that we know Jupiter for the Romans, and 241 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.799 Zeus heart a prophecy that he would have a son 242 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:06.919 that would overthrow him, and he wanted to stop this 243 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:11.559 from happening, and so he said, I have to identify 244 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:16.039 who the goddess is who will give birth to a 245 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.879 son that is stronger than his father. I can figure 246 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.480 out who that goddess is, I will keep her as 247 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:26.600 far away from me as possible, and so I will 248 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:30.240 avoid this fate falling upon me. But he didn't know 249 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.279 who that person was. So justin he turned to your buddy, 250 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:39.200 mister Prometheus, whose name means forethought, and he said, tell 251 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:42.279 me the name of the goddess. And Prometheus knew, but 252 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:47.200 he wouldn't tell him because originally Prometheus had actually helped 253 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:51.200 Zeus to overthrow his fellow Titans, because he believed that 254 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:56.919 Zeus was more civilized, more just, But afterwards Zeus became 255 00:14:57.320 --> 00:14:59.799 a little more tyrannical. One of the things he did 256 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:02.720 was he was cruel to the humans he created, and 257 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:06.279 that's why Prometheus stole the fire to help man. And 258 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:08.639 everybody knows that Prometheus was put up the rock, right, 259 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:11.639 And that eagle hums every day and devours his liver, 260 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:14.360 and during the night it grows back, so the next 261 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.240 day the eagle can come and devour his liver again. 262 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:20.639 And justin as I tell my students, people think that's 263 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:25.519 a myth, but that eagle actually exists. It's called the irs. See, 264 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:28.080 they devour money, they let it grow back, they devour 265 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.480 it again. So there are always truth in myths. So 266 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:34.159 what everybody thinks the only reason Zeus did that was 267 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:36.600 because he stole the fire. But the other reason he 268 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.799 did it in myth is that he would not divulge 269 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.840 the name of the goddess. Well, after being punished on 270 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:45.559 the rock for a thousand years, finally there was a 271 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:50.320 reconciliation between the two. Hercules actually freed him and he 272 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:55.279 told Zeus the name of the goddess was Thetus goddess 273 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:58.799 of the sea, and so Zeus is like, that's it. 274 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:01.519 I'm never going to go. But that was not enough. 275 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:03.960 He said. The only way I can diffuse the danger 276 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:09.440 is I'm going to force Thetis to marry a mortal name, right, 277 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:12.000 and that's cruel because the mortal man will grow to die, 278 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.360 Thetis will stay young forever. So she forces it, forces 279 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:19.600 her to marry Pelias, a Greek king. But then Zeus 280 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:22.879 feels bad about it, and so he decides, okay, to 281 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:24.679 make up for it, I am going to give her 282 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:27.799 the best wedding party that anyone has ever had. We're 283 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:29.960 going to hold it up on Mount Olympus. We're going 284 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.240 to invite everyone. It is going to be the wedding 285 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:35.440 of the season. But because they wanted it to be fun, 286 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:40.879 they did not invite eires eeris, which is the Greek 287 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:43.919 word for discord or strife. She's the goddess of discord. 288 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.679 Nobody wants her to come. Well, hm of course she 289 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.799 found out and she crashed the party, very similar to 290 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:55.519 Maleficen in this. In the Sleepy Beauty Stories, so Eras comes, 291 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:01.279 but instead of insulting everybody, she takes a apple out 292 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:04.279 of gold. She fashions a golden apple, and she writes 293 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.680 on it to the fairest, and then she throws it 294 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:12.039 into the group, and then she leaves, and immediately all 295 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:14.960 the gods and goddesses claim the apple for themselves. After 296 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.720 a long fight, after all the feathers come down and everything. 297 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:21.799 There's three goddesses that refuse to relinquish the apple. One 298 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.160 of them is here, the wife of Zeus. The other 299 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:27.440 one is Athena, the goddess of wisdom and war, then 300 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:30.359 also the daughter of Zeus. And the third is Aphrodite, 301 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:34.200 also Zeus's daughter, the goddess of love. And all of 302 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:37.160 them claim the apple, and they go to Zeus and 303 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.200 say you choose, and Zeus says, I'm not falling into 304 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.440 this trap. You ladies are all pretty in your own way. 305 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:46.720 He's not messing around with it. None of the gods 306 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:50.359 will answer, of course they're smart, but these main goddesses 307 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:53.319 won't accept that, and so they go to the earth 308 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:56.759 to find a stupid mortal who will judge. And they 309 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.119 go down to what is modern day Turkey, and they 310 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:02.680 find a shepherd named Paris leaning on his staff, and boom, 311 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:05.200 they show up in front of three beautiful naked goddesses, 312 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.680 and they say, you choose who the fairest is. But 313 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.839 because they're vain, they want to hedge their bets, and 314 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.720 so one by one they go up and whisper into 315 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:19.039 Paris's ear a bribe. And so Harrah says, give me 316 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:21.680 the apple, and I will make you the greatest king 317 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:25.000 of all time. And then Athena whispers in his ear, 318 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.440 give me the apple, and I will make you the 319 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:32.720 greatest soldier, greatest of all warriors. And then Aphrodite Venus says, 320 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:35.599 give me the apple, and I will give you the 321 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:39.519 most beautiful woman in the world. And Paris, being young 322 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:44.240 and stupid, chooses Aphrodite and gives her the apple, making 323 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.799 perpetual enemies with Hera and Athena. Now he should have 324 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:50.279 read the fine print, because if you find the most 325 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.599 beautifulman in the world, she's probably already married to somebody else. 326 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:55.440 She wouldn't wait around for you. Boz oh, come on. 327 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:00.400 So the most beautiful in the world was named Helen, 328 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:01.640 and she was married. 329 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:03.599 Good for you, She's good for a few. 330 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:06.079 That's that's what it's good. See A good way to 331 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.400 put it. It's like, what wait for you, buddy? And 332 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:11.920 so her name is Helen, and she's married to Middle 333 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:14.119 Ages the Keeves Sparta, which is where my family is 334 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:17.680 Probab by the way, Sparta. So the uh Now we 335 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:21.759 need backstory to the backstory, because who's Helen. Well, one 336 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:23.960 day Zeus fell in love, or we should really say 337 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:28.599 he fell in lust with a mortal woman named Lyda Leda, 338 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.920 and so he came down to seduce her, but in 339 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:35.240 the form of a swan. There's a famous poem by 340 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:38.119 William Butler Yates called Lyda and the Swan, and many 341 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.920 many famous paintings of that. Event Lyda of the swanp 342 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:44.960 she becomes pregnant. Nine months later, she gives birth to 343 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.279 an egg. Out of the egg pops Helen the most 344 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:50.079 beautiful woman in the world. 345 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:54.519 Hi everybody, I'm Chris Vick. I'm the founder Squatch Survival Gear, 346 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:56.160 and today I'm here to talk to you about some 347 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:58.920 of our most popular packs. In twenty seventeen, I found 348 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:01.079 in Squatched Survival Gear because I was tired of seeing 349 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:04.519 low quality, mass per these packs flooding the American market. 350 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.440 I decided I'd make a pack that was one hundred 351 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:10.680 percent designed and manufactured in the United States. And today 352 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:12.079 I'm here to talk to you about some of our 353 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:15.319 most popular packs. This is the Knighthowler. It was designed 354 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.079 for eboc and travelers. As you can see, it's small. 355 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:21.640 It's roughly ten by twelve inches, designed for everyday carrying. 356 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:23.920 The pass through pad allows you to put it on 357 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:25.079 your luggage when you travel. 358 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:27.319 This is the Rugaroot. 359 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:31.680 It's very civilianized, lots of attachment points. This is a 360 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:33.960 twenty five liter pack. We designed it for a little 361 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:36.200 lighter load. If you need more than the night Howler 362 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:40.440 should try this. This is the moth Man, very similar 363 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:43.079 to the Rugaroo, roughly the same size, but it's designed 364 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:46.119 for carrying a much heavier load. The removable waste belt 365 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:49.279 will help you carry that extra load. 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