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Speaker 1: You. I'm now listening to soft Core History.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to soft Core History. I'm

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your host for the week, Dan Chester, joined as always.

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Speaker 1: By Robert Fox. What is going on?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing all right and I'm pretty good today.

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Speaker 2: I got a doozy for you today.

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Speaker 1: Good topic.

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Speaker 2: Got into a mood Jake, our former co host, Jake Goldman. Yeah,

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now an oyster farmer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the true thing that happened.

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Speaker 2: He left us to work the dum manual labor work

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the oyster fields. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He recommended a documentary for me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and I got high on mushrooms on Friday night

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and I watched it perfect, and it influenced this episode.

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Speaker 1: It's I hope it influences the writing. That's what I

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really hope the mushrooms influenced.

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Speaker 2: Like my Hannibal episode.

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Speaker 1: It's like a real non linear Yeah that when we

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went to watch Oppenheimer and you took mushrooms and then

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stayed up all night riding an episode on Animal until.

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Speaker 2: Six in the morning.

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Speaker 1: There. Yeah, yeah, that.

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Speaker 2: Was such a good experience though, going to the bar

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and then watching Oppenheimer just zooted out of my mind.

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It was so fun.

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Speaker 1: I just had beers and then went home and fell asleep.

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I'm glad you had a good time. I had a

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great time watching movies, one of my favorites.

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Speaker 2: So the documentary was called Bitter Lake by Adam Curtis.

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Have you heard about this?

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Speaker 1: No, no, this is gonna be completely fresh.

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Speaker 2: So it's a BBC documentary. He's also done a documentary

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that came out a couple of years ago called hyper Normalization.

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Speaker 1: Okay, bitter bitter Lake, bitter Lake. That's it's funny that

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you say the BBC because it's an extremely British sounding

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thing title bitter Lake.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Fdr King of Saudi Arabia. They meet in the forties

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kind of open up shop to the Middle.

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Speaker 1: East for like setting up shop there, like yeah, okay, Uh.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna actually go into America's relationship with the Kingdom

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of Saudi Arabia. Okay, and I thought it was appropriate.

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You now, the royal rumble just happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia, Uh live season

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kicking off?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lives about the kickoff. They're losing guys left and right,

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are they are? They just brooks Now Patrick Reed left,

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Oh he did. Yeah, they're starting to get like all

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the year.

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Speaker 1: Funny. The PGA was like, we don't want you back,

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Patrick Reid.

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Speaker 2: No, read's necessary. Yeah, we need him.

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Speaker 1: He's got a jacket.

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Speaker 2: He's got a jacket. But he's also kind of a villain,

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so you need.

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Speaker 1: He's a good heel. He is a very good heel,

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So was Bryson. Bryson's a good hell. Which funny because

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both Bryson and Reid, uh just remind me of like

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nineties bullies, Like Bryson's the main bully and reads like

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his fat bully friend. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely the henchman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, probably dies in the Dui in the movie.

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Speaker 2: So I've done something similar to this before with like

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our relationship with France, starting from the Revolutionary War, right

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and just kind of built all the way up. So

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I'm gonna go from actually Saudi Arabia and the seventeen

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hundreds and just kind of the first state, the first

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Saudi state, Okay, all the way up until to nine

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to eleven. Okay, I'm gonna go all the way to

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nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Perfect U is the seventeen hundreds when they broke off

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of the Turks. I guess, because I know the Turk,

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I don't know if they control the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, I figured i'd give you a little background.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: So the majority of the episode, though, is going to

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be about them the meeting, Okay, all the way to

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nine to eleven. Okay, but this first half is just

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gonna be a little background on Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: So the meeting all the way up until what the

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meeting was about.

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Speaker 2: The First Saudi state was established in seventeen twenty seven

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outside of Riyad and expanded too much of present day

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Saudi Arabia thanks to an alliance between tribal ruler Muhammad

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bin Sad obviously Saudi Arabian SOD, and religious leader Muhammad

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beIN Abdah Wahab, the founder of Wahabbism.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, wha, that sounds oddly familiar.

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Speaker 2: In seventeen forty five, Are you familiar with Wahabism?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know Wahaba's schools are like, hey, America sucks,

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we should kill it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a branch of Islam that's a little

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bit extreme. Okay, Okay, they might not think so. It's

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also been the Islamic sect that the Kingdom of Sad

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has adopted throughout the history, all the way up until

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like NBS. NBS is currently trying to remove the old guard,

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kill it out a little bit. He's trying to modernize.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, right, I feel like that's the whole subplot

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of Siriana. Matt Damon's just yelling at a Saudi guy

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like your number two export is fucking dates, dude.

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Speaker 2: So Bensald's eldest son, Abd al Aziz took charge of

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military operations and they went to war with the anti

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Wahabi chief of Riodd for thirty years. Just gonna get

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ahead of it. I'm gonna mess up some names.

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Speaker 1: Look, they're not We're just Americans here.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna blame being from Delco in the Philadelphia area

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for my I don't know pronunciation and accent there there's

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but it's really because I'm a dumb ass.

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Speaker 1: There's only like a small section of the world whose

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names are mostly impossible for us not to fuck up.

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Right you think you think if you did an episode

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on the history of Poland, you'd be sticking the landing regularly.

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Speaker 2: England a little better. Fucking it doesn't matter, love mea

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John Smith.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say there are some countries that like

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just do, for whatever reason, accidentally lend themselves to uh

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like angle like English speakers like, I feel like Korea

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is not too bad. Yeah, get a lot of moons

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and stuff like that. They also adopt American names, yeahnt

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that doesn't hurt either. The South Koreans do. Yeah, but yeah,

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I mean Saudi Arabia, Poland honestly even Spanish names. Half

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the time, I'm like, eh.

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Speaker 2: What is this?

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Speaker 1: French is way worse than you would think.

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Speaker 2: Ben Saa dies in seventeen sixty five, so his son

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elevates himself to his father's seat as ruler. Wahab would

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remove himself from the public but still act as Azizu's

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advisor and expand his teachings that would help the Wahabi

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sect of Islam explode in the region and is very

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much still in the picture for the older generation of

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Saudi's to this day.

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Speaker 1: So Wahabism or whatever is that still under the umbrella

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of Sunni or Shia. I always forget which is who's who?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really just I ran verse everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but so's it's a undersect another thing. Yeah,

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but it's not a third It's not like Mormon Catholic,

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h fucking Presbyteria.

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Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, it's just like all right,

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we're Catholic. But then there's this we're in the Opus day. Yeah,

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extremist like fraternity right right within it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Opus all right, Muslim opus day, I got it.

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Speaker 2: Alasise captured Riad in seventeen seventy three. His son would

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capture Medina in eighteen oh four. In Mecca in eighteen

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oh six, Seeing the grow in Saudi power, the Ottoman

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Sultan instructed his Egyptian viceroy to reconquer the area, which

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he did in eighteen eighteen. The Egyptians occupied the area

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until eighteen forty, and they gave power to local Saudis

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who were loyal to the Ottoman governor in Garrison.

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Speaker 1: So the Ottomans see that and they're just like, nope.

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Speaker 2: Gotta squash that. Nineteen sixteen, with the sport of English

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and French, Hassan bin Ali led a pan Arab revolt

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against the Ottoman Empire, with the goal of creating a

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single Arab state that would expand from Yemen to Syria.

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sit it out due to their long standing rivalry with

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Bin Ali and Mecca. After the Ottoman Empire's defeat in

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World War One, England and France went back on the

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word of supporting a pan Arab state with Hassan. England

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backs the Al Sades. There's more conflict, and Bien Saud

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eventually wins power in the area in nineteen twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people are being mad at

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England and France for that, but I get it. They

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go they show back up after the war's over, and

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they're like, listen, stuff was crazy. We were just agreeing

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to shoot. We didn't even know. We didn't even think

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we were going to.

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Speaker 2: Be alive at the end of you We were really

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just trying to take the Ottomans away from us. Yeah,

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right here, we're going to kind of finance this revolution.

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The the Ottomans stopped coming to us.

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Speaker 1: It was actually really funny how badly they wanted to

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like knock the Ottomans out of the war. And I

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just don't think the Ottomans were that doing much like

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that's whole that's Churchill's whole thing with fucking Gallipoli. It's

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like he's like, we needed a in front, our fird front,

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we needed prompt his biggest mistake in World War One. Yeah,

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there's like a whole argument about that. And uh, he

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has a couple actually yeah, he's a couplets. We got

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a couple real uh annoyed comments on our latest sketch

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about me like sort of but not really throwing Churchill

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under the bus. It's like, calm down, calm down.

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Speaker 2: You can't please anyone.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I actually commented Mold the Times. I was like,

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I said, possibly potentially.

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Speaker 2: Because the minute you say anything good about Churchill, they're like,

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actually he was worse than healer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, trust me, I'm pro Churchill. Calm down.

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Speaker 2: A certain group of his supporters wanted to continue expansion

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of Wahabbiism into Jordan, Iraq and Kuwait, but Bianzad knew

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that meant direct conflict with England, so we told them

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absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't really swing that.

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Speaker 2: They revolt and he just wipes them out.

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Speaker 1: In like nineteen twenty nine, there's.

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Speaker 2: Just like this sect of his loyalist that just want

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to go further and further right right right, And it's

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just like, now we're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: You're like, you know, it's cool, acting like we're in

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the tenth century, but boy, I'd like to take it

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back to the seventh.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen thirty two, he united the divided area and

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became the founder of Saudi Arabia. So the kingdom. Yeah,

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the legit country that we know today.

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Speaker 1: I kind of by the way, I guarantee you the

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reason England and France went back on it is because

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they're like, we need these oil havevers to not be

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a united front, if at all possible, divide and conquer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, we just want to war the first

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war ever with oil. We really can't have a gigantic

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petro state controlling Because this was like, well.

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Speaker 2: That's the theory as to why they took out Gadafi,

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because you wanted to unite, like the African Front. Yeah,

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we wanted to get the African nations together.

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Speaker 1: Well, good luck with that. I don't I feel like

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Gaddafi's not the man to put that on his back.

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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton made sure I don't think she needed to.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it was. I don't think he's

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the guy.

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Speaker 2: A little before all that, great Britain was the first

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country to recognize Saudi Arabia as an independent state, but

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then the US followed suit. It been SAAD then granted

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permission to the US company Standard Oil of California to

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explore the area for oil in the country's eastern province.

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Speaker 1: But they weren't getting enough out of Texas and California.

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I guess not. They're like, you know what, what they

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could just do it cheaper. Honestly, we just outsourced oil

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could pay these guys jet. I think it really was just.

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Speaker 2: Don't we like sitting on our reserves though? Just bleed

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everyone else dry. Yeah, so we're the last country with oil.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Is that kind of the game plan? That probably the

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long term?

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Speaker 1: Not against it? If that is, If that's your thinking,

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I get it.

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Speaker 2: Saudi affairs were handled by the US delegation in Cairo, Egypt.

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As the US Saudi relationship started growing slowly, World War

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two was beginning its first phase.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I've said on the show before, but the tire rationing,

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like the rubber driving rationing, they said it was for

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rubber for tires or whatever, it was really for useless

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gas that we need that shit. We got Shermans to

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push down people. So I also think if you wanted

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to like alt history like whatever, like oh, Hitlers Burger's mistake,

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like why you would ever want to touch the Soviet

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Union instead of just taking a hard right turn down

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down to the Middle East and just be like, now,

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the only country you can get oil from anywhere is

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the United States of America, and our U boats are

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going to make one hundred percent motherfucking sure that that

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shit ain't getting out of anywhere.

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Speaker 2: On February sixteenth, nineteen forty three, FDR declared that the

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defense of Saudi Arabia is vital to the defense of

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the United States, and thereby extended the len lease program

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to the Kingdom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we weren't just cashing checks to ship and ship

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to Russia and the UK. It was going in fucking everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Later that year, the President improved the creation of the

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State Owned Petroleum Reserves Corporation, with the intent that it

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purchased all Cassocks stock and thus gained control of Saudi

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oil reserves.

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Speaker 1: In the region. So we own all of it now,

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all right.

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Speaker 2: The plan was met with opposition and ultimately failed. Roosevelt

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continued to court the government, and on February fourteenth, nineteen

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forty five, he met the King aboard the USS Quincy

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anchored on the Great Bitter Lake along the who Has Canal,

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so it's by Egypt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is stunning to me that FDR didn't have

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a stroke sooner. Everything he's dealing with like this has

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got to be like twentieth on his plate, and it's

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still humongously important. Like how did he any smoker? By

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the way, did he get anything done? I don't blame

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him for getting jerked off by his cousin. Didn't have

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time for anything else. He did a lot, just never stopped.

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It just never stopped.

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Speaker 2: I mean, between him and Wilson, there's an argument we've

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had dictators in the US.

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Speaker 1: Him probably especially to be honest, with the four terms

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or winning four terms. I should say and all that

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other stuff and not.

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Speaker 2: Fascist but dictators.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, benevolent.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if fucking Wilson was been that one.

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Speaker 1: No, Wilson was just a dick.

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Speaker 2: He was a dick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, let's just for for fun, say Wilson was

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a dictator, he would rank so or his wife was,

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you know when he was Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why the

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first female dictator of the United States was Edith.

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Speaker 2: I think Edith Wilson Ben Sad approved the US requests

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to allow the US Air Force to fly over and

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construct airfields in Saudi Arabia. Oil installations were rebuilt and

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protected by the US. Pilgrimage routes were also protected, and

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the US gained much needed direct route for military aircrafts

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headed to Iran and the Soviet Union.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine if in the midst of World War two,

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Hitler just stopped people from being able to pilgrimage, to

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do their pilgrimages to Mecca. I feel like that what

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ends up happening is like there's just a battle going

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on in World War two, and like southern Europe, you know,

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maybe around Ukraine, it's the Germans and the Russians, and

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then all of a sudden, you essentially get like Paul Trades, No,

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not even that, you get you get the boat pulling

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up from Lord the Rings, and then the ghost army

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just swarms out of it. It's just a billion Muslims,

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just like absolutely not just fucking flying out of one boat.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen forty five, after World War Two, Saudi citizens

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began to feel uncomfortable with the US forces still operate

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in the country. In contrast, the Saudi government saw the

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US forces as a major component of its military defense strategy.

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With the start of the Cold War, the US was

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greatly concerned about Soviet communism and wanted to contain it

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spread within the Arabian Peninsula, and Saudi security was at

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the top of Washington's list of priorities.

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Speaker 1: Now that makes sense, but I gotta say, I feel

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like the Saudis were only ever a threat to cut

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a deal with the Soviets instead of US, because there's

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no world in which I could imagine the country that

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contains Mecca and Medina from becoming an atheist, communist state.

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Speaker 2: Fair. Absolutely no world, no world where that happens. The

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Truman administration promised Ben Sad protection from Soviet influence, and

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as a result, the US increased its presence in the region. Now,

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this is a fun little tidbit. Nineteen forty eight, a

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man named Muhammad scored a major breakthrough by secureing a

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commission to build a palace for the future King Saud.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know who you talking about? Construction? I know who.

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Speaker 2: Construction this was, of course, I know, Mohammed bin Laden.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yep. People forget that Oslomon Laan was a

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NEPO baby.

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Speaker 2: Huge Nepo baby. Granted, you know, he's one of like

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seventeen kids.

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Speaker 1: Still what you don't You don't think all of Nick

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Cannon's kids are going to be rich?

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Speaker 2: Probably not. Actually, I don't know if Nick. I don't

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know if Nick Cannon's got it like that.

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Speaker 1: I think he well maybe not Saudi construction money like that.

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But but Vanderbilt shure, he's good. He's good.

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Speaker 2: I think you know, the bin Laden's in Saudi Arabia

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at that time where the Vanderbilts, Okay, if i'd guess, okay,

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just money wise, Yeah, we're.

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Speaker 1: The only ones building anything pretty much. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: His company, the bin Laden Group, participated in many large

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infrastructure projects including building the housing for US military forces

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in Riyad and at the Prince Sultan Air Base.

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Speaker 1: Now, can I just put on I'm the stupidest person

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on the internet hat for a minute.

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Speaker 2: This is really just going to pivot into bin laden stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but let's just put it. Let me

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just put on my I'm the worst person you know

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posting on Facebook for a minute. Yeah, he said he

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got his first contract in nineteen forty eight. Yeap, what

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country was nineteen what country was fund in nineteen forty year?

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Speaker 2: Makes you think?

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Speaker 1: Makes you think, makes you think, isn't that right? And

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if you argue with my Facebook posts, I'll just call

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you a sheep.

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Speaker 2: So he became the Royal Families builder and was stacking

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generational wealth in the process. In nineteen fifty, Aramco and

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Saudi Arabia agreed on a fifty to fifty profit distribution

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of the oil discovered in Saudi Arabia. In nineteen fifty one,

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the Mutual Defense Assistance Agreement was put into action, and

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this allowed for the US arms trade to Saudi Arabia

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along with a US military training mission centered in Saudi Arabia.

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So we got to sell them weapons. Baby let's go

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about time. Ben Saud dies in nineteen fifty three and

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his son takes power. Relations start to strain with Dwight d.

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Eisenhower's new anti Soviet alliance pretty much combined in most

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of the Kingdom's regional rivals and foes, heightening Saudi suspicions

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of the US's intentions. Yeah, so everyone's coming together under

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Eisenhower's fuck Communism movement.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough. I also, by the way, like selling weapons

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at that time. I know, like we get shipped on

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for like arm sales now, but I feel like back

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then we were just like we got a big stock pilot. Shit,

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we just don't need anymore. Let's sell it. Why burn it? Yeah,

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you know what I mean, Like, what are we gonna

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do with these extra like eight million m one garns.

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Speaker 2: That's like the whole plot to the movie War Dogs. Yeah,

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Shonah Hill and Miles Teller, dude, just the whole find

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a bunch of like old Soviet weapons, just sitting the

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whole plot to uh Laulkins Laura War two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like the Soviet Union collapses and all of a

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sudden they don't need all these fucking tens and those

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are real people. Yeah, yeah, movies inspired by real people.

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Yeah yeah. But at the US, if they had a

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World War two, we had a like whether it's the

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whole thing, right, Like they haven't made a new purple

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Heart since nineteen forty four or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Like it's like, dude, with these Shermans are gonna be

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outdated in like five years. These these you know, P

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fifty one Mustangs or whatever are gonna be used. There's

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they're already useless. Like there we get there's jet fighters. Now, like,

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let's just go sell this dumb shit that we can

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beat to someone who might need it.

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Speaker 2: In October nineteen fifty five, Sad joined Egypt in their

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pro Soviet strategy because they were a little suspicious Adviisenhower.

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In nineteen sixty two, however, Egypt then attacks Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: It really do be your own Really, I didn't I

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actually didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: From bases in Yemen during the nineteen sixty two Yamini

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Revolution because Saudi Arabia's anti revolution propaganda. What do you

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mean they're anti Yemen? Well to this day, yeah, well

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some things. The more things change, the more they say

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the same.

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Speaker 1: Egypt was really getting after it back.

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Speaker 2: Egypt was bucking. Uh, we'll get to another major conflict

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they get into.

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Speaker 1: All assume I know what you're talking about, but oh.

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Speaker 2: You probably should.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The Yam Kapor War, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: This caused Sawd to seek US support. President John F.

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Kennedy immediately respond to Saud's request by sending US warplanes

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in July of nineteen sixty three to stop the attack.

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At the end of the war, shortly before Prince Fasel

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became king, the relationship between the US and Saudi Arabia

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became healthy again. President Kennedy put on pressure to the

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Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to introduce modernized reform, which was essentially, hey,

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you can't have slaves anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they listened.

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Speaker 2: That's very funny. I find that very like they had

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slaves up until Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and not like the kind of slaves they have now,

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where they're like on the record slave right right right,

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like on the books like these are our site. Like

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now it's like you're a Filipino or a Sri Lankan

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and you show up because you hear there's work, and

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they just forget to pay you. They forget to pay you,

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and they take your passport and the next thing you know,

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you're buried under a soccer stadium.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just use your bones right right right as foundation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's informal slavery.

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Speaker 2: That's what they did to the Irish here.

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Speaker 1: Not totally wrong. We did get a couple pennies for

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our where our reparations for our trouble where God damn it,

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it's Saint Patrick's Day.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, black people get a month, we get a day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that sounds fair. Honestly, I'm okay with that, fine,

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okay with it. Not gonna litigate the amount of time

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we need.

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Speaker 2: In November nineteen sixty four, Fasil became the new king

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of Saudi Araba after a conflict with his brother, and

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that becomes a major deal in a second. Here, the

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Nixon administration sought to rely on the Saudis and Iranians,

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ironically as twin pillars to police American interest in the

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Middle East. For regional security. You take up here, so

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like two enemies, they are gonna be our guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's a little fun buffer area where the.

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Speaker 2: Buffer well Iraq is Yeah, but it's just yeah, our powers,

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the buffer, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's part of the

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twin pillar strategy. The US also attempted to improve relations

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between the Saudis and Iranians. This included persuaded Iran to

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remove its territorial claim to Rain.

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Speaker 1: Do you think with this whole Sunni Shia thing? Like

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Nixon or anyone? Obviously, Kennedy wouldn't do this, but like

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Nixon or LBJ was just like, look, I get it.

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We gotta live with Catholics. We don't like them. Okay,

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they're full of shit, they're weird, we get it, but

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we tolerate them.

469
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Speaker 2: That would be something Nixon says, yeah.

470
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,599
Speaker 1: Or LBJ to be honest, like he was a good

471
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old boy, Like.

472
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:30,799
Speaker 2: Listen, I I had to work with John.

473
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: The goddamn pipist every day, carrying around his beads like

474
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,759
he's some kind of monk. I didn't get it. Boy,

475
00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,799
can fuck though? Give him that? And then he whipped

476
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:44,440
out his dick. Yeah say hello to Jumbo.

477
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,799
Speaker 2: Not like me, but yeah, I mean, Kennedy was not

478
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,400
pushing Jumbo size stick.

479
00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:54,839
Speaker 1: Kennedy wasn't pushing Jumbo, but I think his his coup

480
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,200
got more mileage than than lbj's.

481
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,519
Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel like JFK fuck like Leo, or at

482
00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:04,400
least the reports of Leonardo DiCaprio, how he fucks.

483
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: Which is what, Oh starfishing, starfish.

484
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:09,799
Speaker 2: But you know, throw the headphones in, put some music on,

485
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,799
not even listening to the woman.

486
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,559
Speaker 1: This, I will have to be pretty fast. I have

487
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,799
a meeting in five minutes.

488
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: Just throws a record on.

489
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: He's not trying to impress anyone's he is essentially going

490
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:28,400
through life masturbating with a partner. Yeah, yeah, using their body,

491
00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:30,799
yeah to get off. Yeah.

492
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: Now, there's a rise in oil prices during nineteen seventies

493
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and nineteen seventy one, which enabled the Saudi government to

494
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,599
increase its US weapon purchases from fifteen point eight million

495
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,119
in nineteen seventy to three hundred and twelve million in

496
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,160
nineteen seventy two. Good lord, there's like, yeah, we'll take

497
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:52,839
everything you got.

498
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,839
Speaker 1: What do you need it for? Even it actually blows

499
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,960
my war that is coming, dude, It blows my mind,

500
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,359
especially in like modernish times. So the Egypt War blows

501
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,279
my mind. And then in Desert Storm, right, you know,

502
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,200
Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and he was kind of getting

503
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,880
ready allegedly to invade Saudi Arabia, and I it really is.

504
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,640
And I guess this happened a lot in Europe in

505
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,680
the Middle Ages and and and Renaissance and stuff like that.

506
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,119
But like it gives like when you attack Look, when

507
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:33,000
you attack Rome in medieval to total war, You're fucked.

508
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,039
You're fucked. Every other Christian nation comes down on your ass.

509
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, shoot at the king. You best not on

510
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:41,640
miss you if you.

511
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: I just don't understand how you can invade Saudi Arabia

512
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,400
and not immediately have your head cut off by your

513
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:51,359
entire population of Muslim citizens.

514
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: Imagine if that somebody took the fucking Vatican. I mean,

515
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:55,680
it happened.

516
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Speaker 1: It's happened. It's happened quite a few, I mean even,

517
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But what the we do.

518
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: In World War Two? Was there an army of Catholics

519
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,720
that rose.

520
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:09,759
Speaker 1: I mean kind of us. The Americans, like Hillary didn't

521
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:13,680
really fuck with Catholics, hedn't really fucked with Christianity. He

522
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:17,240
had like his own version. They did fuck with Catholics,

523
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,720
but not nearly as much because it was not politically

524
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:22,240
wise to do so at the time. You don't want

525
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,119
to lose half of Germany and all that other shit.

526
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,799
But yeah, they fucked with Catholics. I was gonna say though.

527
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,160
Italy though, did at one point say fuck you Vatican,

528
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,000
you're part of our country and then our hero. But

529
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,759
you know, Mussolini liberated the Vatican.

530
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: Does Italy not get enough hate for what they did

531
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,759
in World War Two? No, because they flipped sides. They

532
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:44,799
did flip sides.

533
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,319
Speaker 1: But they were fascists for twenty years.

534
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:51,039
Speaker 2: I know, and just nothing really came of it. Here's

535
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,359
the thing, there's like no punishment given out.

536
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: Imagine if there's a bully.

537
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,799
Speaker 2: They don't have like a reputation nowadays. It's like yeah,

538
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,519
remember know, no one compares anybody to Mussolini. It's always Hitler, right, But.

539
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:05,759
Speaker 1: Imagine if there's like a bully in your school. I

540
00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:10,079
guess Mussolini was also seen as like stupid. Oh yeah,

541
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,680
although apparently, like Jamoke, I read something one day that

542
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:16,799
Mussolini had a I don't know if this is true.

543
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,559
I hope it's talk about a guy that fucked. Oh yeah,

544
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:24,200
he's just Italian. But h Musli apparently have two things.

545
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,920
One is Musli apparently I read this. I hope it's true.

546
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,880
I don't know. It's true that Mussolini had a meeting

547
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,680
with Hitler at one point and Hitler like told him

548
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,519
he believed that he was possessed by the spirit, the

549
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:37,640
spirit of an Aryan god or something like that, and

550
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,559
Musli left the meeting being like, oh my God, Oh

551
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,799
my God, whom my allies with? Holy shit.

552
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,119
Speaker 2: Then they tried to talk to the emperor from Japan

553
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,240
got like a similar story.

554
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,359
Speaker 1: No, Japan is just like, oh I am God. Yeah,

555
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,200
like no, no, I'm a god inside of me, I

556
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,240
am God. But the other thing with Italy, one of

557
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:01,119
the reasons they never get much hate is because, like,

558
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,160
imagine there's a bully at your school and he's always

559
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,960
starting shit with people, but he loses every fight. It's

560
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,960
not a good bully, right, And I'm talking losing fights

561
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,400
to like even the kids in the chess club.

562
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he's like.

563
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,079
Speaker 1: Good at your locker dirt, and then the nerd just

564
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,319
lays him out. That's why Italy doesn't get it, because

565
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:28,559
they're too they were too incompetent to be mad at

566
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,680
There was a World War two meme.

567
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,359
Speaker 2: I hope we pick up like an entire new audience

568
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:34,799
from Italy just from this conversation.

569
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. There's a World War two meme that

570
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,400
was like, here's how you could tell what troops are

571
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,559
on the other side when you shoot at them. Essentially,

572
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,079
it's like, if you shoot at them and you get

573
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:47,440
just a rain of machine gun fire, you're shooting at Germans.

574
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:50,519
If you shoot at them and you get hyper accurate

575
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,960
rifle fire come back at you, You're shooting at British.

576
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,000
If you shoot at them and it's all quiet for

577
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:58,839
ten minutes and then artillery and air support rained downs

578
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,319
on you. You're shooting at America and if you're shooting

579
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:03,480
at them, and then they all immediately get up and

580
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,000
surrender their Italians.

581
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a left turn. People would probably

582
00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:12,039
expect French right right, right, right, that would be the punchline.

583
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,240
I think the majority of the public would expect the Italian.

584
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:15,279
Speaker 1: It works, Yeah, it does.

585
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: A low point in Saudi US relations came as FAISO

586
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:23,559
decided to launch an oil embargo against the US and Europe.

587
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,440
During the Fourth Arab Israeli War or the yam Kapor

588
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:33,720
War in nineteen seventy three, the Arab Coalition launched a

589
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,640
surprise attack during the Jewish holy day of Yam Kapor,

590
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which coincided with the tenth day of Ramadan in nineteen

591
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:41,880
seventy three.

592
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Speaker 1: This is why, like the Israel stuff is complicated. But

593
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,559
when people whenever people were like, what are so like

594
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,440
when they like complain about the Israeli military or Israel

595
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,720
being so militarized, Like that country's been invaded, been not

596
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:57,839
even Eiffel towered.

597
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,799
Speaker 2: Notice, I said fourth, Yeah, that country seventy three. It's

598
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:03,079
been a country for thirty years.

599
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: That country has been invaded from all sides less than

600
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:09,799
four or five fucking times. Yeah, that's gonna happen when

601
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:11,519
you put it right in the middle of all of

602
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:13,880
its enemies. I get it. But the paranoia, it's in

603
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:19,359
living memory. The paranoia is justified. Put it in Boca Ratone.

604
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,559
It's like, it's not the it's not the Yeah, that

605
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,799
is great, but it's not like, you know, if the

606
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,599
Chinese were putting up like high tech missile systems on

607
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,240
the Great Wall because they were still afraid of the Mongolians,

608
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,920
Like this didn't happen that long ago.

609
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: Faisal said, America's complete israel support against the Arabs make

610
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,519
it extremely difficult for US to continue to supply the

611
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:43,119
United States with oil or even remain friends with the

612
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,480
United States. During an OPEC meeting held in Kuwait on

613
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October sixteenth, nineteen seventy three, the governments of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar,

614
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,759
and the UAE announced a policy to increase the price

615
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,039
of oil by percent.

616
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: Bet it got all the way up to a dollar gallon.

617
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:09,359
Speaker 2: And then on October twentieth, nineteen seventy three, the Saudi

618
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,720
government declared a total oil embargo against the US. The

619
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:17,559
oil embargo lasted until March nineteen seventy four, and American

620
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:21,519
oil companies operated in Saudi Arabia became subjected to direct

621
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,240
supervision of the Saudi government. So they just kind of

622
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:24,720
took it over.

623
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's on their land.

624
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: Officials from the Nixon administration threatened Saudi Arabia with direct

625
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:35,880
military intervention. The embargo was lifted March nineteen seventy four

626
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,240
after the US pressureed Israel into negotiating with Syria over

627
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:41,720
the Golden Heights.

628
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense, Like, hey, assholes, I'm not gonna

629
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,440
let a couple of hills sink my country's economy. You douchebags.

630
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,160
You're already here because of us. Right, we pretty much

631
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,440
established the state. Right.

632
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: Three months later, Washington and Riad signed a wide range

633
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:05,839
in agreement on expanding economic and military cooperation nineteen seventy five.

634
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,400
The two countries signed two billion dollars worth of military contracts,

635
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,319
including an agreement to send Saudi Arabia sixty fighter jets.

636
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,279
The key part of the agreement was for Saudi to

637
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,279
price oil in terms of dollars and to invest billions

638
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:26,279
of its dollars in US Treasury notes, creating the Petro

639
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:27,759
dollar boom.

640
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,839
Speaker 1: Nixon's a funny president because he really like watergates the headline,

641
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:40,000
But he was like enormously influential, like the Nixon administration

642
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,359
has got to be.

643
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:45,279
Speaker 2: Because you kind of start operating on just like credits, right.

644
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know about all I can't

645
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,519
get into all that, but like between the Petro dollars

646
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,079
and I'm just saying things honestly open on opening up

647
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,680
China at like and put dry and thus driving a

648
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,279
wedge between China and the Soviet Union and all this

649
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:04,079
other shit that he did rolling back Vietnam, like ending Vietnam. Yeah,

650
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:07,599
like he did a metric fucked ton of shit and uh,

651
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,000
it's always funny. Uh.

652
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: In the TV show The Watchman, just they have Nixonville.

653
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just.

654
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,679
Speaker 2: All the the poor white trash or living which is

655
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,639
Richard Nixon statue.

656
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,039
Speaker 1: Nixon is for anyone. I don't think people realize this,

657
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:31,119
but like pre uh George W. Bush, Nixon was like

658
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,440
the ultimate presidential villain.

659
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: I feel like most Americans only know Watergate and I

660
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,400
don't even really know what Watergate is.

661
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even like at the time, like Nixon, he

662
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,000
was what's his name? Hunter S. Thompson was like vilified

663
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:48,159
Nixon left and right, and I mean Nixon was like

664
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,559
a being being a piece of shit was like Nixon

665
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,239
being like the premier piece of shit. President was like

666
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,840
a running joke in like the Simpsons. It's a running

667
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,880
joke in Futurama with like his talking head same people.

668
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:00,440
For sure.

669
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:04,119
Speaker 2: Gronan just really had it out for had it out.

670
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,519
Speaker 1: For Nixon man. Like Nixon was the like bad guy president.

671
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,960
Did he catch strays on the Epstein list? I can't

672
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,519
see how okay Epstein started going off when I mean

673
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:17,119
Nixon died.

674
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: Now, no, not Nixon. Gronin Oh, I hope not. Okay,

675
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,159
I'm talking about yeah, the creator of the Simpsons.

676
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know Nixon died ninety four. I'd be crazy.

677
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no shit.

678
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:28,519
Speaker 1: I saw a funny video though, was like, you know

679
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,519
who isn't in one Epstein file and it was just

680
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:33,320
a like Dick Cheney highlight reel of Dick Cheney smiling

681
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,039
didn't for the love of the game baby.

682
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:42,039
Speaker 2: In January nineteen seventy nine, the US sent F fifteen

683
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,239
fighters to Saudi Arabia as part of its anti communist campaign,

684
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,559
and the two countries sported anti communist groups in Afghanistan.

685
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,000
So this is where Afghanistan comes into play. After the

686
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:55,840
Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December nineteen seventy nine, relations

687
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,039
between Saudi Arabia and the US further strengthened as both

688
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:05,079
governments began to jointly assist Afghan resistant militias. The muja Hadeen,

689
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,760
led by one Osama bin Laden, which wadge guerrilla warfare

690
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,039
against Soviet occupation forces across Afghanistan.

691
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: Was was Afghanistan was was been Laden in Afghanistan for

692
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,920
the same reason. Prince Harry was in Afghanistan, you know,

693
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:24,039
just needed to get a little bit of action before

694
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,039
he became rich and comfortable for the rest of his life.

695
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle. Like

696
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,599
he's always about faith and yeah, getting the superpowers out

697
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:38,679
of the Middle East, Like that's his mission. Statement is,

698
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,960
I don't care if it's the Soviets, I don't care

699
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,639
if it's the US. I just we need to get

700
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,159
these you know, powerful countries out of the Middle East

701
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,199
messing with our shit.

702
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: Don't Europe my Middle East?

703
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: Kind of Yeah. From nineteen seventy nine to nineteen ninety two,

704
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,519
the US, as part of CIA activities in Afghanistan, specifically

705
00:36:56,639 --> 00:37:01,599
Operation Cyclone, Saudi Arabia and China, between six to twelve

706
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:05,119
billion dollars worth of financial aid and weapons to tens

707
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:09,920
of thousands of Musha Hadeen through Pakistan's Inner Services intelligence

708
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,599
so the ISI. Beginning in early nineteen eighty, bin Laden

709
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,760
acted as a liaison between the Saudi General Intelligence and

710
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:25,960
Afghan warlords. No evidence of contact directly between CIA and

711
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:28,880
bin Laden exists in the CIA archives.

712
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: That's convenient, Well, I guess in the ones you can

713
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:35,679
look at, right right.

714
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,079
Speaker 2: But Steve Cole states that although bin Laden may not

715
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,159
have been a formal, salaried GIP agent, it seems clear

716
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:48,079
that bin Laden did have a substantial relationship with Saudi intelligence.

717
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,679
Speaker 1: Wasn't there kind of like a thing that he was

718
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,559
like kind of a joke in Afghanistan?

719
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,519
Speaker 2: Not at this point, Well, we're gonna get to his

720
00:37:57,639 --> 00:37:59,679
fallen out with Saudi Arabia, Okay, But like I just

721
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:01,920
this part of the episode is just all about ben

722
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,880
Laden and his relationship with Saudi Arabia. So bin Laden's

723
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,039
first trainer was US Special Forces commando I'll lea Mohammed.

724
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: So no contact with the CIA. He was just trained

725
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,199
by the US. Yeah all right, Yeah, it's not in

726
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:19,599
the CIA archives you can access just like it looks

727
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,480
like a duck walks like a duck. Look it waks

728
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:24,440
like a duck. Sure, there's some very interesting part of

729
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,199
the Vatican archives. No one's been allowed into either. They

730
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,679
have got down there. They have got chained up with silver,

731
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,960
locked in a magneto cage. Yeah, and he's he's getting

732
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,320
chained up more now than ever. Silver prices are through

733
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,480
the fucking floor right now.

734
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was a pump nump.

735
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:42,679
Speaker 1: Well either way, it's cheap. Yeah, so there's they're making

736
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:43,559
more silver chains.

737
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,559
Speaker 2: Our grandparents actually just got cleaned out. They saw a

738
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,079
little spike and then I think it's came back.

739
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: I hope they so hope Grandma sold it at peak.

740
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:56,119
Speaker 2: I don't really understand buying digital gold or silver. Isn't

741
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:57,400
the whole point of gold and silver.

742
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,679
Speaker 1: To have it in hand? If you don't, I don't

743
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,599
care if anyone says I'm stupid for this. If you

744
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,360
are not holding the medal.

745
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: So you can like shave it off in the post times.

746
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're not holding the medal, you don't have anything.

747
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,119
It's not like a stock. I understand a stock or

748
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,920
just you know, money in your bank account that you

749
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:19,760
never touch. But if you're gonna buy silver or gold,

750
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:23,719
you better have that medal in your fucking house or

751
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,159
a vault.

752
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,119
Speaker 2: Following the Soviet Union's withdrawal from Afghanistan in February nineteen

753
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,159
eighty nine, bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia as a

754
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,360
hero of Jahad.

755
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: So not a joke yet, Okay, damn, you know what

756
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,079
I just realized too, with that gold spike, I could

757
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:41,159
have sold my wedding ring.

758
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: You could have at least went to a pawn shop some.

759
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,559
Speaker 1: Thinking I could have sold my wedding ring, gone back

760
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:50,559
a week later and bought it back.

761
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, may profit.

762
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

763
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,639
Speaker 2: The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait under Saddam Hussein on August second,

764
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,920
nineteen nine put the Saudi Kingdom in the royal family

765
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,519
at risk. With Iraqi forces on the Saudi border, Saddam's

766
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:11,920
appeal to Pan Arabism was potentially inside in internal dissent.

767
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:16,960
One week after the Saudi king agreed to US Secretary

768
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,519
of Defense Dick Cheney's offer of American military assistants, Bin

769
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,559
Laden met with the king and the Saudi defense minister,

770
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,480
telling them not to depend on non Muslim assistance.

771
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,079
Speaker 1: Dog. So Saudi Arabia's military, I think at the time

772
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,239
was like decent, but Iraq's military was for sure better

773
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:41,559
and battle hardened and probably better equipped if I had

774
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:42,239
to guess.

775
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: And.

776
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you weren't going to win that war. But again,

777
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:48,880
Deck's just doing it for the love of the game.

778
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:51,920
And by the way, they did incur into Saudi Arabia.

779
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,199
I actually went down a Wikipedia rabbit hole the other day.

780
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:59,280
Iraqi troops in the early parts of the war when

781
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:05,360
America was in took a Saudi Arabian area on the

782
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,840
coast of I don't remember. It was on the on

783
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,679
the east coast of Saudi Arabia and held it for

784
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,599
a little while before and the Saudis were like asking

785
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:18,280
the Americans to counterattack, but we were busy getting ready

786
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,480
to hit some not like hit the main Iraqi force.

787
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:22,599
So we were like, yeah, you got it. Yeah, like

788
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:25,400
we'll give some artillery and air support, and yeah, the

789
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,440
Saudis had had to take it back, which they did.

790
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,679
But it was an interesting little bout, not go enough

791
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,800
to do an episode on, but I thought it was fascinating.

792
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Speaker 2: When they ask bin Lodin how he would defend the

846
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,760
fighters if Saddam used Iraqi chemical and biological weapons against them,

847
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,800
he replied, we will fight them with faith.

848
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not planned. I don't think so. So Dick

849
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,400
Cheney's in one chair and he's like, we have satellite

850
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:05,679
gated missiles and tanks that literally can't be destroyed by

851
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:11,920
anything anyone within one hundred thousand miles possesses. We'll defeat them.

852
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,719
And then fucking Ben Ladden's just over there, like Allah will.

853
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,199
Speaker 2: Say, like, what do you he will protect us from

854
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,000
our skin melting.

855
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what? Actually a law sent he sent

856
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:23,599
Dick Cheney.

857
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:26,679
Speaker 2: Dick Cheney, Yeah, Dick Cheney's his angel of death.

858
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's a fucking it's the parable, right, like

859
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,320
oh no, no, no, I don't need this boat to

860
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,079
grab me out of the ocean. God will save me.

861
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,360
And then another boat comes by. No, no, no, it's fine,

862
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,400
go God's gonna get sent the boat. And then God's like,

863
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,320
I've sent you five fucking boats, dude, imagine getting five

864
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,280
Dick Cheney's it staying no every time. Ben Laden's offer

865
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:48,400
was obviously, you know, just laughed at. And the Saudi

866
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,199
monarchy invited the deployment of US forces into Saudi territory.

867
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,119
So really because or Saddam Osama was angry that, you know,

868
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,400
Western forces were in Saudi Arabia, But I really think

869
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,000
nine to eleven was all just him still being angry

870
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:05,480
about his pitch being rejected.

871
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,639
Speaker 2: And Dick Cheney, I think it's just a roundabout, like

872
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,119
there's a six degrees of separation of Dick Cheney to

873
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:13,719
Dick Cheney.

874
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that could that had to be salt in

875
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:20,599
the wound, right, Dick Cheney's pitch beats Osama's pitch, and

876
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:23,199
then Dick Cheney is vice president ten years later, m

877
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,760
hmm and really doing a lot of work co president

878
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,199
ten years from the you know, from the underground, Yeah,

879
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:29,639
yeah yeah.

880
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: Bin Laden publicly denounced Saudi's dependence on the US forces,

881
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,960
arguing that it was an indignity that the kingdom was

882
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:44,519
being defended by an army of American unbelievers. Relations between

883
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:46,920
the two nations slidified even further.

884
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,199
Speaker 1: He literally offered thoughts and prayers.

885
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah not enough, dude. We got fucking missiles that we

886
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,480
can launch from goddamn miles away and shoot up a

887
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:01,000
camel's ass.

888
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:04,599
Speaker 1: I can vividly remember nine to eleven, and I've never

889
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:06,920
hated Osama bin Laden more than I do right now.

890
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,599
Speaker 2: I watched it live in fifth grade. Yeah, they wheeled

891
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:12,840
in the TV. I saw the second plane hit live.

892
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: I didn't get to see the plane hit, but I

893
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,920
did see both the towers.

894
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,039
Speaker 2: Fall and again everyone got picked up, but me. I

895
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:21,119
was the last kid at school.

896
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: What were your parents doing working? Okay, that was low key,

897
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,960
like a great day at school.

898
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: Though, a plane crash in Pennsylvania, so I kind of

899
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,800
understand why, Like other parents came and got their kids.

900
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,159
But my parents were like, nah, you're good.

901
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know, man, you could have been a

902
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,599
landing spot. I mean, they weren't going for your high school.

903
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:44,239
But it's a pretty chill day. We didn't do work.

904
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,800
I was at this one was saying we didn't do

905
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,719
anything and no homework.

906
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: We like played board games and shit, no homework.

907
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: That night there was a TV. Actually, I remember, I

908
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,519
got so fucking angry. There was one class and in retrospect,

909
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:58,199
this was the smartest teacher of that day. But there

910
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,360
was one class I went into, and at this point

911
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,880
it was the afternoon, and we walk into that one ever,

912
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,519
the class had the TV out. We're just watching this

913
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:09,079
all day. We walk in, We're like, where's the fucking TV? What,

914
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,639
mister Buckley, We're not why are we watching nine to eleven?

915
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,119
And he was like he was like, nothing news happened,

916
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:18,760
and they don't know what they're talking about. They're just

917
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,800
saying things. Yeah, it's gonna be the same tomorrow as

918
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,880
it is right now. We're doing class.

919
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:25,079
Speaker 2: What a dick.

920
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: We're like, God, damn it.

921
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:28,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, the real dick here is that teacher Like, I

922
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:30,760
don't know what I don't know what's going on.

923
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: And he was like, no one knows what's going on.

924
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,840
We don't need to watch him talk about how they

925
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,960
don't know what's going on. We're doing class. He probably

926
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,320
thought it was a good distraction. It wasn't. He was

927
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,719
one of my favorite teachers though, he was actually great teacher.

928
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,559
At one point, had he had detention with me my

929
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:48,599
senior year and he was wearing his like normal shirt

930
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:52,719
and tie, but then like wrestling shorts, Jim shorts, and

931
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,760
we were like, mister Buckley, while you're wearing those shorts,

932
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,079
and he goes like as a matter of fact as

933
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:03,880
you could possibly be. He was like, Oh, I had

934
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,920
diarrhea and I pooped my pants. Dude, I love that

935
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,880
kind of honesty. We were all like what and he

936
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,119
was like, yeah, I had diarrhea. I couldn't make it,

937
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:15,800
and I pooped my pants and I ruined my pants.

938
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,119
So I got to wear these shorts for the rest

939
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,320
of the day. Yeah, he gets one. They're allowed to

940
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:19,800
do it once.

941
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: Relations between the two nations solidified even further when the

942
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,039
US sent nearly five hundred thousand soldiers to Saudi Arabia

943
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:33,480
to aid in protection against Iraq. Following Operation Desert Shield,

944
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:36,639
America kept five thousand troops in Saudi Arabia to maintain

945
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:38,360
their protection and trade relations.

946
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: And bin Laden acted like they were setting up a

947
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,480
barracks in that little.

948
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: Black box in Mecca Meteorite.

949
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like that was we were just taking like,

950
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,280
I want to know what's in it, man, There's only

951
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,920
one way to find out. I want to know. There's

952
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:55,159
only one way to find out.

953
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,559
Speaker 2: That's I mean, I'm not doing that. Yeah, I know

954
00:49:57,679 --> 00:49:58,440
we're not going there.

955
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if we want to get really ignorant

956
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,079
with our special forces and just have fun, like with

957
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:07,119
the Maduro thing, we need to do two things, all right,

958
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,800
team of Navy seals to where we think the arc

959
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,320
of the Covenant is in Ethiopia, and I guess a

960
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,000
team of Delta.

961
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:15,159
Speaker 2: Nothing happens if we get that from Ethiopia. No. No,

962
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,519
we go into the Kingdom though, and we.

963
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,559
Speaker 1: It's back to Lord. It's Lord of the Rings, Ghosts.

964
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,559
Speaker 2: It's literally yeah, Paul trades though. Yeah in Dune three,

965
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:25,599
which hasn't come out yet.

966
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: But you're not gonna like them.

967
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. During the ground campaign of Operation

968
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,000
Desert Storm, the Iraqi troops were defeated within four days

969
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:40,199
and retreated back to Iraq. Bin Laden's continued criticism of

970
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,079
the Saudi monarchy led them to put him under house arrest,

971
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:48,039
which he remained in until he was ultimately forced to

972
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:53,039
leave the country in nineteen ninety one. So he gets

973
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:57,519
a citizenship also revoked. Okay, so his own nation turns

974
00:50:57,559 --> 00:50:57,840
on him.

975
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: So what's his even citizenship with that? There's a he

976
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,559
kind of like bounces around. I know he's got no passport.

977
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's claims that he does get a

978
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,599
Bosnian passport at one point. Okay, but I mean he's

979
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,679
bounced around like Pakistan, Afghanistan, right right right. I feel

980
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:22,199
like he has kind of an open road in the

981
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,440
Middle East to go wherever he wants.

982
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:25,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not sticklers.

983
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: In August nineteen ninety six, Ben Laden issued a fatwah

984
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:35,679
titled declaration of war against the Americans occupying the Land

985
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,400
of the Two Holy Places. Ben Lauden's view was that

986
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:42,519
the evils of the Middle East arose from America's attempt

987
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:45,920
to take over the region and from its support for Israel.

988
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,199
Saudi Arabia have been turned into an American colony.

989
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:56,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, which, by the way, we've done an episode

990
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:01,760
I think on that specific thing before whenever the thing

991
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,000
he wrote with the Franklin forgery, Yeah, where he quoted

992
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,480
a fake Ben Franklin quote in his great declation, because

993
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,199
remember that Bin Laden's like letter or fought while wherever

994
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,880
was going viral. I think it was right after ten seven,

995
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,480
and people were like, oh, I don't know, maybe he

996
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:21,199
was making some good points and like literally he quoted

997
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,840
a fake Ben Franklin quote about how Jews were starting

998
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,199
to control him. It's a fake quote. It's not real.

999
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:29,480
And my favorite part about that because we clipped it.

1000
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,440
We clipped that part and we put it on YouTube,

1001
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,880
shorts and Instagram and TikTok, and the amount of people

1002
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,719
who said the most cognitive dissident thing I've ever heard,

1003
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,920
which is, who cares if it's fake? If it's true?

1004
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,159
Speaker 2: And you responded with great point.

1005
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, touche, got me, checkmate.

1006
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 2: On February twenty third, nineteen ninety eight, Been Louden issued

1007
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,639
another fatwe against the US, calling upon mass to attack

1008
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:04,800
the country and its allies. It was entitled Declaration of

1009
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,199
the World Islamic Front for Jahad against the Jews and

1010
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,159
the Crusaders. Kind of a lengthy title. Maybe shorten that up, Bud, Yeah,

1011
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:13,079
an editor.

1012
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you clearly didn't have who's going to edit him?

1013
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a bunch of yes men around them.

1014
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:20,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, truly, this is the biggest mistake.

1015
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: That's why he failed.

1016
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:22,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1017
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: During the Clinton administration, capturing Bin Laden was an objective

1018
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,840
of the US government, like a major objective. In nineteen

1019
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,840
ninety nine, the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence had

1020
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,360
prepared a team of approximately sixty Pakistani commandos to infiltrate

1021
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,320
Afghanistan to capture or kill Bin Laden, but the plan

1022
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:47,599
was aborted by the nineteen ninety nine Pakistani Coupugh, so

1023
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,639
we could have got this bitch two years before he

1024
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:51,239
pulled it off.

1025
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,159
Speaker 1: When did the capture mission become I think ninety nine? Okay,

1026
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:00,280
so after he bombed the buildings in Nairobi, Kenya. Yeah,

1027
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,079
so he had pulled off a pretty big terrorist attack

1028
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:05,920
at that point. Actually, what's funny is in the movie,

1029
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,199
in a movie that comes out right between the Nairobi

1030
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:16,400
attacks and nine to eleven, the Silence of the Lambs

1031
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,360
sequel Hannibal, which Jodi Foster did not come back for.

1032
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:25,639
I believe Julianne Moore took over the role of Starling.

1033
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,760
Agent Starling, You're gonna have to kind of lead this

1034
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,079
because I've actually hand up never seen it. Okay, Anyway,

1035
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,719
At one point, Starling is Clarice is just looking at

1036
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,719
the FBI's ten most wanted list because Hannibal's on there

1037
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,519
because he's escaped. At this right next to beIN loaden,

1038
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:42,079
right next to beIN a loaden. I think he been

1039
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:43,719
Latten's on it. I think he's right next to him.

1040
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,840
But they showed they clear his day in that movie

1041
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,800
show bin Laden, and it is pre nine to eleven.

1042
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 2: Do you think he just got burned by the CIA

1043
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,519
and intelligence who Ben Lauden?

1044
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? Probably. That was a terrible show on us USA,

1045
00:54:59,440 --> 00:54:59,880
right burn.

1046
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: Notice I enjoyed it was awful.

1047
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:03,159
Speaker 1: Jared love it.

1048
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,039
Speaker 2: Jared loved it.

1049
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Friend of the show Jared Borslow F one influencer Jared, Yeah,

1050
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:11,079
huge burn Notice.

1051
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 2: Fan cinematography is amazing kind of TV.

1052
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: I kind of enjoyed it. The acting not so much.

1053
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,840
I love the main actor in it, do you Yeah,

1054
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,039
you don't know why he's he cracks me up. He's

1055
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:27,960
in Sacario. Really, I don't remember him in Sacario at all.

1056
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,559
He's the guy with the glasses, the big glasses, oh

1057
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,519
like in the car. Yeah, gotcha?

1058
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 2: Really, Yep, It's just they don't click together in my brain.

1059
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I just always enjoy him. I think he's funny.

1060
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 2: In two thousand and foreign operatives working on behalf of

1061
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,559
the CIA had fired a rocket propelled grenade at a

1062
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:51,480
convoy of vehicles in which bin Laden was traveling through

1063
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:54,400
the mountains of Afghanistan hit him one of the vehicles,

1064
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,760
but not the one be Loaden was riding in, so

1065
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:02,840
we almost gone again survived. On August six, two thousand

1066
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,239
and one, George W. Bush received an intelligence report titled

1067
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,079
bin Lauden Determined to strike the US. On the day

1068
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,599
of the attacks, the National Security Agency intercepted communications that

1069
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,719
pointed to bin Laden's responsibility in them, as did German

1070
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:25,480
intelligence agencies. Bin Laden read a statement denying responsibility for

1071
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:29,000
the attack in a video time stamped September sixteenth, two

1072
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,639
thousand and one, but fifteen of the nineteen hijackers came

1073
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:39,079
from Saudi Arabia. Right a two thousand and two Council

1074
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,760
on Foreign Relations Terrorists, Financed and Task Force report found

1075
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,920
that for years, individuals and charities based in Saudi Arabia

1076
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,599
have been the most important source of fund in al Qaeda,

1077
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,400
and for years Saudi officials have turned a blind eye

1078
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:56,320
to this problem.

1079
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,119
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of them were into it, to

1080
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:06,320
be quite frank. Yeah, like the wing that MBS is

1081
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,400
trying to push out.

1082
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna wash some money, that'd be really crazy.

1083
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,400
If like Live GoF was just this incredible money washing operation,

1084
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,039
for a major American terrris attack.

1085
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1086
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:24,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, like in an indirect way, Bryson to Shambo kills

1087
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:25,920
thousands of Americans.

1088
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: Here's what I don't get though, If they're gonna do

1089
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,039
another terrorist attack, why wouldn't it be on China, right,

1090
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:36,480
the one actively genociding Muslims. That's a good point, right, Like,

1091
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:38,639
I know that you don't like Israel, and I guess

1092
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:41,840
by guilt by association, you don't like America.

1093
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:46,159
Speaker 2: But like the what the Saudi's you know they're okay

1094
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:50,079
with not okay with Israel, but they put up with Israel.

1095
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: It's just the juicing worth the squeeze.

1096
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you get out of it? And I

1097
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:57,559
think that pisses off a lot of Muslim country is.

1098
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: It is literally a moral victory. Only you don't get

1099
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:07,320
anything out of wiping Israel off the map. Strategically, you'd

1100
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,639
probably just get glassed.

1101
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,639
Speaker 2: A Saudi intelligence survey of educated Saudi's between the ages

1102
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:16,840
of twenty five and forty one, taken shortly after the

1103
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,519
nine to eleven attacks, concluded that ninety five percent of

1104
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:25,440
those surveyed supported bin Laden's cause. In October two thousand

1105
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,000
and one, the Wall Street Journal reported that Crown Prince

1106
00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:32,639
sent a critical letter to US President George Bush on

1107
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,960
August twenty ninth, and said, a time comes when people's

1108
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,599
and nations parked. We were at a crossroads. It is

1109
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,079
time for the United States and Saudi Arabia to look

1110
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,039
at their separate interest. Those governments that don't feel the

1111
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:50,599
pulse of their people and respond will suffer the same

1112
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:51,519
fate of the.

1113
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:55,159
Speaker 1: Shah of Iran. Oh wait, the Crown Prince.

1114
00:58:55,719 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: This is the Crown Prince letter to George Bush. So NBS, No,

1115
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:07,639
he wasn't there yet in two thousand, two thousand and one.

1116
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: He was my age.

1117
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not the Crown Prince.

1118
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: Yet, he's always the Crown Prince.

1119
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:18,639
Speaker 2: Well I guess, yeah, but yeah, it wasn't NBS. Okayo, Like,

1120
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,719
teenage NBS is not sending letters to George Budd.

1121
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,159
Speaker 1: Fifteen year old NBS is like, hey, man, fuck you.

1122
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: Some speculator that beIN Laden, who had his Saudi nationality

1123
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,840
revoked in nineteen ninety four chose fifteen Saudi hijackers on

1124
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,039
purpose to break up US and Saudi relations.

1125
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:38,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. There's layers to it. A good

1126
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,360
joke has more than one layer, you know what I mean.

1127
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:46,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Saudis eventually cooperated on the US's War on Terror,

1128
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,360
and then in two thousand and four, a eighteen minute

1129
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,519
video was released by bin Laden and he went back

1130
00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:56,480
on all of his previous denials, saying he was personally

1131
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,559
responsible for the September eleventh attacks.

1132
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,679
Speaker 1: Yeah we know, Yeah, we fucking know.

1133
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: He accused George Bush of negligence in not preventing the

1134
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,800
hijacks and said he was inspired to destroy the World

1135
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,119
Trade Center after watching the destruction of towers in Lebanon

1136
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,039
by Israel during the nineteen eighty two Lebanon War.

1137
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:19,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, this is also I forgot to say about

1138
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:21,039
the Nairobi thing. But this is his second attack on

1139
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:23,320
the trade centers, because he did the death World Trade

1140
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,840
Center bombing, said ninety three something like that. Yeah, but

1141
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:30,679
that one was weak. Those base charges couldn't take the

1142
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:34,559
building down. No, people forget, so they put the charges

1143
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:37,679
up hot. Yeah, yeah, people forget. That's the other thing

1144
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,480
that's funny too about Uh what was the thing like,

1145
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:43,360
jet fuel can't melt steel deeel beams. Yeah, here's the thing.

1146
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:47,840
It doesn't need to liquefy them. It needs to weaken

1147
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,119
them again. Your shape. Yeah, we know this right right?

1148
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:54,039
Did you know if Bettel doesn't belt, it doesn't get

1149
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:54,639
weak at all?

1150
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,159
Speaker 2: Guys like me though, Guys like me, we just asked questions.

1151
01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:00,599
Speaker 1: Just ask some questions that we don't want answers too,

1152
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:03,760
because they question is the answer exactly?

1153
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:06,679
Speaker 2: And I figured that was a good point to stop at.

1154
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,599
Obviously relations have gotten better nowadays. Yeah, there's a bit

1155
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:14,039
of like a twenty thirteen rift. Obama didn't have the

1156
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:17,000
best relationship with Saudi Arabia.

1157
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: They're kind of going back and forth.

1158
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it's in a good place now

1159
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,039
with NBS trying to modernize. They're building that line city.

1160
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:29,239
I think still are think the straight line city. There's

1161
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:30,800
a reason a city has never been built in the

1162
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:31,320
straight line.

1163
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: Again, the Royal rumble was there this weekend. Yeah, didn't

1164
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,000
catch it. Roman reins one. Oh okay.

1165
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: Do you think they made him win because he looked

1166
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,440
somewhat like the locals can't hurt? Yeah, I can't.

1167
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:47,719
Speaker 1: I mean, Logan Paul's not winning it.

1168
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:50,519
Speaker 2: No, they'd be pissed.

1169
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Speaker 1: Yeah, blonde haired, blue eyed, unless.

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Speaker 2: There was like a Saudi investment in prime fair enough, Yeah,

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didn't they just find like a bunch of investment. I

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mean they're investment in everything in the US at this point,

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like Saudi money's and everything. You can't really all the

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blood money.

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Speaker 1: You can't really like.

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Speaker 2: Throw stones from a glasshouse at this point. No, it

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is what everyone's compromised at this point.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, give give it to my school's nil.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, get them to UCF baby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think Florida State and Texas A and M, right,

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they have programs in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: Texas A and M had a university satellite campus in Qatar. Okay,

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I don't know about the other ones, but you gotta

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think any school that's in any sort of like oil area,

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you want one in that. Even what you're right, like

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Texas Tech's quarterback Texas Tech is that's oil money paying

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for that. Yeah, A and M very oily. I don't

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know about UT, certainly, there's a lot of oil people

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from UT. Got to think, uh, you know, I feel

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like SMU is more of a finance situation, but they

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got to have some old oil money too.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 1: Oh and actually you know, actually you know, a low

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key candidate for U, Saudy oil money going into their

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nil A low key school. People forget it's very oil connected.

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That is heavy on nil LSU and those those dirty

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fucks wouldn't blink once at that with Lane, Not with Lane?

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Are you kidding me? Kiff and Dude Joey Freshwater. Lane's

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01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,119
gonna be partying in Riodd in the off season if

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01:03:33,159 --> 01:03:33,880
they give him money.

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01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, like you, he wouldn't.

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01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: Honestly, if they offered us do your show at theree

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,639
Odd Comedy Festival, Yeah.

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01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:48,039
Speaker 2: I'm there at this point. I'm been unemployed for what

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01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:49,559
going on six months now.

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01:03:50,719 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: Look, it's one thing, could use money for a very

1208
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,679
wealthy comedian to go do that. But I have three

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,599
children and haven't had say a sh on Netflix or

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01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:04,480
No or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: We're uh, we're pulling in thousands of listeners.

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01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have the luxury of principles. What's that

1213
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:14,199
line from The Patriot of a Parent? I haven't got

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the luxury of principles. I like to amend that slightly.

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01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:20,280
I am a middle class parent. I absolutely do not

1216
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,239
have the luxury of principle. Yeah, and your wife doesn't work, Yeah,

1217
01:04:24,679 --> 01:04:27,440
so so id to love that? Yeah, it'd be funny

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01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,519
if Courty was like, can I come? Like you don't

1219
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,599
want to? You don't want to come to this, They're like,

1220
01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:36,480
well we got the proper apparel. Yeah, yeah, the boys

1221
01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:37,840
can come. They'll probably a blasma.

1222
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: Did you have you ever had like a desire to

1223
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,159
go to buy it seems I mean it's all fake right,

1224
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:46,880
like it's.

1225
01:04:47,239 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: It seems like going to Vegas. Yeah, in terms of

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01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,880
both it's just Middle East Vegas aesthetics and weather.

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Speaker 2: It seems like going to Vegas with parties.

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01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I ladies.

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01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as fifty thousand dollars sex a's normal.

1230
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: No, no, I uh dubai wouldn't. I would all I would.

1231
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,039
I guess I would go if it was free. You

1232
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:15,639
know what I mean. I'm not putting it on my

1233
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:17,320
credit I'm not putting that on my own credit card.

1234
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,000
Like it's not doesn't break the top ten.

1235
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: The planes are dope. Get me one of those like

1236
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,280
first class seats that turn into the airways.

1237
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,119
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I am obsessed with those reels and

1238
01:05:27,159 --> 01:05:31,280
tiktoks that show you those first class cabins. It's a cabin,

1239
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,599
so a fucking cap. I would be like I would

1240
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:38,440
like my vacation to be this plane. Actually it's a

1241
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,920
cruise ship. Yeah, I'll take a sky cruise. Ah.

1242
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:48,159
Speaker 2: Man, if only blimps worked out well, could have had anyway,

1243
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:49,000
what'd you learn today?

1244
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: I mean pretty much all of this. There are some

1245
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:53,719
parts I could guess, like when you start talking about construction,

1246
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:56,800
like you know, I don't know where this is going.

1247
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,639
Speaker 2: Just guy named Muhammad, It could be anybody.

1248
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I know pretty much. I

1249
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:05,320
didn't know anything about bitter Lake or a lake or

1250
01:06:05,639 --> 01:06:06,239
anything like that.

1251
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,559
Speaker 2: Good doc would recommend again, I did an ask job

1252
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,239
explaining what it's about. Yeah, but I'm probably gonna throw

1253
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,119
on hyper normalization tonight.

1254
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:19,159
Speaker 1: Okay, get into that. That's three hours long. Bitter Lake's

1255
01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:23,360
only two, so okay, it's very easy watch. I just

1256
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,760
started the Chair Company, so I'm a little busy right now.

1257
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 2: Okay, who's today's hitler?

1258
01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: Hmm? Be easiest, be easiest to just say Bin Laden.

1259
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,800
But I'm gonna go a little deeper, and I'm gonna

1260
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,639
say Ben Lodden's plan or been Lodden for his plan,

1261
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,360
not the plan to take down the towers. That he

1262
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:48,519
literally went into a pitch meeting.

1263
01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 2: And said, I have got on my side.

1264
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fuck, that is the most despicable thing I've

1265
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,519
ever heard about, or something lot.

1266
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 2: Being unprepared, maybe showing up to the presentation just winging it.

1267
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:07,599
Speaker 1: I mean, good lord, He's like, I care about Muslim

1268
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:13,280
lives so much that hundreds of millions can die, or millions,

1269
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,880
I guess can die, just so that we are the

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01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,000
only ones involved in our own business. Great fucking plan.

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01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 2: Well, check out our Patreon Patreon dot com slash software history.

1272
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,000
You get two additional episodes on the lower tier that

1273
01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:32,480
drop on Wednesday and Friday that are much like this.

1274
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,679
At this point, we have a four year evergreen back

1275
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,159
catalog that's worth your time and your money. We also

1276
01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:41,400
have an upper tier where we do a sports show

1277
01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:45,400
and I give out gambling picks for golf off to

1278
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:46,119
the best startup.

1279
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,119
Speaker 1: We're gonna heat up. WE'RENNA, We're gonaigure things at.

1280
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:51,039
Speaker 2: We're getting some data, right, We're getting some data these

1281
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:55,320
first three tournaments, so check those out. Really supports us. Again,

1282
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,320
I've been unemployed for six months now, so can use

1283
01:07:58,400 --> 01:07:58,760
the money.

1284
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: Hopefully not for much longer. Well, hopefully for.

1285
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 2: Not much longer. I mean hopefully this just turns into

1286
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:04,920
the full time gig.

1287
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: We're getting closer.

1288
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:07,079
Speaker 2: That'd be cool.

1289
01:08:07,239 --> 01:08:10,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not that close, though, we're getting potentially closer.

1290
01:08:10,679 --> 01:08:12,800
They could could be a corner turned to tell your

1291
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,079
friends about the show. Yeah, oh yeah, don't don't sit

1292
01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:15,960
on your ass. Yeah.

1293
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:18,159
Speaker 2: Check out the YouTube. Subscribe to the YouTube.

1294
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Instagram and YouTube. Also, the shorts and the reels

1295
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:22,960
have a bunch of sketches to share. Those.

1296
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 2: Get a couple of shorts that are gonna drop and

1297
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:27,600
this week and next week as well. Still got those

1298
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:32,479
in the can. But for Rough Fox, I'm damad Jester.

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You just got saw served.