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Speaker 1: So I found out three port Heaven help being for

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his grave. He read to sign on barm doom, says

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the good Lord Jesus saves.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think Jesus knows him. Calls he in

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the Jesus Kind.

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Speaker 1: He's a late back country picker with the lead back

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country mine.

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Speaker 2: He gave the books.

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Speaker 1: It's a good show after three Port colis Sin. They

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all heard he his dying, so they all come out

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to see him. Friends and neighbors make him happy.

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Speaker 2: Lord the snuff queens streaming kind.

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Speaker 1: He's a late back country picker with the leads back

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country mine, a first down owners turned around. He's pictive

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of the lady that his.

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Speaker 2: Old troubles keep on swimming.

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Speaker 1: Calls are too damn mean to drown, and he keeps

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looking for an answer that I know he'll never find.

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Speaker 2: He's a lead back.

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Speaker 1: Country bicker with the lead back.

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Speaker 2: God. It's a good fucking whaling song, isn't it. You

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know you gotta listen to some of the classic country

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sometimes I think it's good. It's good for you. Wailing

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with Nick very problematic. He was never really curse through

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a lot of his material, and I found that he

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was actually he he wasn't very problematic. He was an

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ally wailing with an l A.

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Speaker 1: Vibert yeah up, says he really turns her angy. It

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really makes you want old dancing when the DJ lades.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, isn't there sock, It's a good sock. I'm getting

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the strap.

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Speaker 1: You can see somebody loves him, or at least they

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did one time. He's a lead back country picker. You're

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the lead back country matter. Bubbers downers, turned arounds, picked

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him up the lad and down his old troubles, keep

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on swimming, calls it too damn mean to drown.

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Speaker 2: He keeps looking in full mentioned clift down the stream

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port already but going to foul. I think he's did.

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I think I'm a little lazy that came here. I

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put the song in walk Away Country miner, big whiteles pick.

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It's like fetching or like what he is that I

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don't get it.

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Speaker 3: White.

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Speaker 2: He's way seeing that he's like fetching something. All right,

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there we go. It's good anyway. Hi, everybody, welcome to

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the crime pace. And body doesn't podcast. We're doing nice

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over here. We're doing good. It's one hundred degrees. I

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just retired for the evening. For the afternoon, I be

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you know, I like being crepuscular. The less I have

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to see of the human world, the less, you know,

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fucking hateful and terrible. I feel not even hateful. It's

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more like it's a kin. When I go out into public,

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like where I live, you know, or any anywhere that

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there's a lot of human infrastructure, I generally it's like

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my battery starts straining five times as fast. It's like

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a vampire. You know. I can't go out in the sun.

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Maybe you could take a little bit of sun, but

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they'll burn. That's kind of how I feel. I feel

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like I'm getting the life sucked out of me. Like

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as good as it feels to be standing on a

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mountain top with the breeze blowing through your hair, standing

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on a cliff looking out at like a vast expanse

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of desert. You know, if you're up in like a

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sky island somewhere, you know, or like West Texas, like

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standing on a butte in West Texas looking out at

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just this wonderful landscape with no human development whatsoever, or

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in a cloud forest and uh in Wahaka, you know

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you've got like a Vistla. You got a mirror door.

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there's there's very few human developments, certainly no no freeways

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or plastic signs or the fucking you know, any of

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the shit that's just the death cult, the you know,

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like the heat Island, basically like the fast expanses of

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parking lot, used car dealership, big lots, dollars, all this shit,

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just this useless garbage. As as as good as it

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feels being in these places that don't have any of that,

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it feels five times worse on the opposite side of

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the spectrum when I have to exist in those places,

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like when I have to be around them, just being

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around them, having them in my visual sphere. And even

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if I couldn't see, if you blindfolded me and took

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me in a car and drove me down the frontage

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roads and some of the thirty thirty five Corridor in Texas,

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I would still feel it, Like it's so it's such

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a powerful anti human it's such a negative piece of

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spiritual fucking hell. I would still feel it even if

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I couldn't see it. You'd probably smell it to you

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can hear the sounds of the engines and tires and shit,

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and you know, people honking at each other, you know,

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mostly miserable people, which you can't blame them, you know,

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the consumer farm like it kills me. So I just

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try to avoid it as much as possible. And I've

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got this nice little green dome around my immediate sphere

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and then you know, I'm just living. This is where

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I'm living now for family reasons. But it's not ideal,

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but whatever, and make it work, you know. But it

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kills me, It really does. There's not one bit of

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the landscape around me that I find attractive at all.

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It all kills, it all killed. God, he's so negative.

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guy is. He's just negative. He's so negative. That's what.

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been through this before, you know, I really started. I

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started off kind of hot today. I think that's fine.

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I'm not personally angry. I'm just philosophically angry. And if

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you're not, you're a moron. No offense. But you know

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that's that's uh, that forced positivity thing fucking kills me.

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people lie to themselves like it is pretty terrible. But

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I don't want to mention it because that makes me

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feel I don't want to be negative, so I'll just

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I'll pretend it's not there. I'll try to Well, let's

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just focus on the positive. Let's just focus and we

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won't even think about the negative. Well, this focus on

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the positive and what makes me happy. It's canned. It's phony.

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Focus on the negative and find a way to transcend

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it and make fun of it and fucking jab it

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and laugh at it, you know, don't deny it. Transcend

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it with humor and lightheartedness, keeping in mind that it's

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all the blink of an eye in our existential reality.

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be gone soon. That's what I do. Anyway, Welcome to

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the to the podcast. There we I just got back

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from the Asian Food Market. This is why I'm talking

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about this, because it fucking made me die going out

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there and being right and then it's all just so

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fucking hot too. But I just got back from the

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Asian Food Market. I got some fucking back CHOI you know,

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got some kimchi. You're all gonna slap myself around with

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the kim chi later, you know, my little sling. Wait,

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it's see. I can't tell if he's joking or not. Anyway,

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got a big fucking half gallon of green tea. It's

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that Asian food market opening up near my house. Is

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really it's a game changer. It really opened up some

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doors from We got some shittaki mushrooms and shit, had

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some fucking tofu. I'll cook the shit out of They

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don't got I don't know if they have any meats.

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from an Asian food marketing offense. Yeah anyway, Uh but

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uh but yes, so here we are. Uh. There was

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another mass shooting yesterday. You know you listen to this. Yeah,

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it's it's gets kind of grim, but I promise it

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gets better. We're gonna talk about plants. It gets better.

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It was a mass shooting yesterday and it was, uh,

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it's some fucking idiot in Minneapolis. Who is fucking It

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was like you look at this guy's because you're always

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curious who is it? Like you always know it's going

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to be a white dude, which it was, but you

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look at the fucking idea. I just you're curious, like

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where was their angle? Like why did they do? Why'd

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they shoot up a fucking school? Why'd they shoot up this?

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a lot of people, you see, not most, I would

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say a lot of people are filled with hate and

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they're miserable and they're alienated more so because of these phones.

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But what was his angle, Like, what was the mixture

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of ideology that this more unisposed espoused. Excuse me? And

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so you look at it and I couldn't. And of course,

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you know, each political side of the spectrum is trying to, like,

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you know, put him in the camp of the other side.

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This guy did. He had a diverse array of views.

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He was trans, he was a Jew hater, and and

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what else? He wanted to kill Trump and he wanted

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to I don't know, there was It was just it

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was like an ideological word salad of all this bullshit

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from the twenty twenties Internet. Just someone who's perpetually online, alienated, isolated,

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probably doesn't have very many friends, very very narrow view

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of the world probably hasn't had a lot of life experience.

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I don't know how old he was, but uh, you know,

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it's fucking it's nuts, man. It's like, uh, this is

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our now. And of course I mentioned this because the

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answer to this is to just get away from all

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of this uh shit, the online culture. It really is

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just it's the fucking scrolling and you go outside, take

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a walk and and uh, look at some life forms,

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you know, some other life forms that will give you

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They recharge your battery. You know, I'm gonna need a

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recharge after just having to go out into the shopping

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slums of the the Heat Island where I live. You know,

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it's just, ah, it kills the soul. It's funny too

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that people. I mean, you think that stuff doesn't affect you,

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that's subconscious. It subconsciously affects you. Absolutely, It's it's there,

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it's in the background. It's just it's making you feel terrible.

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You're not insane for for fixating on it like I do.

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I'm a little off, you know, I had to I

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other day, and like some of the other parents go by,

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you know, and they're whatever they're but there there's definitely,

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you know, there's like a normy, square thing that I

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don't fit into there where I live, obviously, And and

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it was funny because you know, some of these people

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might I don't know, they might have been I don't

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know whether maybe they're Trump boaters, or maybe they're just

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you know, the genteels, or maybe they're uh, you know,

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they're well to dose. I've got the very clean homes

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and they smell like, you know, expensive fragrances, and they're

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very clean, and I don't know. And some lady got

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mad at me for parking in the wrong spot, and

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I'm gonna be here, and then I'm gonna just grab

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my kid. We're gonna get out of here. And then

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I started thinking, I'm like, if only this woman knew

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that you know, I've been, you know, I what I do.

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What my yard looks like, which is completely overgrown, ornately

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overgrown and eloquently kept. I keep it very neat and tidy.

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the excuse me, the secondary or third secessional stages of

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ecological secession in my yard. And so I've got like

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this nice little cactus garden gone with an understory, you know,

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nice open understory and a shady canopy off top. And

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then you know, and then there's the compost shitting thing,

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which I've been really hyping lately because I like how

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it vibes the members of the square community. Out said,

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only if this lady know that, like earlier today, I

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was shitting. That was shitting on a pile of pine

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shavings in a compost bin. That was that was, you know,

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almost the entirely colonized by soldier fly Larva. You know,

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if only she knew, it would blow her mind. I mean,

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I said, wow, and then I started talking to her

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about C four photos. This is I'm just kidding. I

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wouldn't even try, but uh, but yeah, it was. It

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was uh you know, it could definitely be alienating where

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I left, could be isolating. It's it's it's weird down here.

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It's nineteen fifties culture a little bit. But anyway, back

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to the mas, so back to the mess shooting. It's

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it's fucking terrible. God, well, how is this a reality? Wow?

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How did this happen? But I, you know, looking at

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this guy's uh there was you know, I follow that

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Instagram page popular front and they had a uh some

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of screenshots that is fucking idiots, you know. Whatever he

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was into, I don't know, but it really made me think, like,

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this is this guy it was it was an ideological

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word solid. It was like if you took all this

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shit from both sides of the political dumb shit from

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both sides of the political spectrum, all this fucking nonsense

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like national inquiry, bottom of the brainstem, lowest common denominator.

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This ship they pair it, you know, from the left

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to tell and blah blah and whatever they're fucking ranting

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about as l ship and whatever. And then from the

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riot like a Democrat controlled cities. It's all the Democrat

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controlgy that's what cause is the Democrat control like the

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talking points, you know, and you just look, you look

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at this and you look at the fucking you pour

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it in the same blender, and it's it looks horrible.

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It looks horrific. It's like looking at it something you

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scooped out of the sewage treatment plant ideologically, and you're like,

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this is just there's not I mean, I guess there's

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maybe kernels of truth barely and some of this stuff,

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or kernels of originality, but it's really just you just realize,

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no one there's no critical thought whatsoever. There's no intellect,

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there's no critical thought. It's just it's mean culture. It's

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parroted talking points. It's just it's the culture war of

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modern America, which of course is good for keeping people

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in line and keeping them following rules and keeping them

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stupid and keeping them voting against their own interests and

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that kind of thing. And it helps the billionaires and

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oligarchs keep doing what they're doing. And you know, while

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we continue to just just destroy our home and ship

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where we eat and you know, cause them six mass

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extinction in biosphere, collapse everything, and no one's thinking, like,

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there's no critical thought in any of this. Then this

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is something I would always hear when I'd get into

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arguments with people strangers, you know, in the comments section,

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they leave comments on my place, some dumb shit wherever right,

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right and left, and I would say, I think, like

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you know, I would think to myself, like I've heard

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this nine thousand times. This person's telling me as if

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I've never heard it before, like they're educating me, or

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like this is something like is this person aware that

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like this? And then you realize, holy shit, this person

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isn't even aware that I can see. This isn't their

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own thought. They're literally just repackaging something, or not even

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most of the time, they're not even repackaging it. They're

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just parroting something that they saw in a fucking meme

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or they saw someone else say. And then you just

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realize there's like no one's working with original material anywhere,

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you know. And I'm not saying, you know, the next

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mass shooter, you know, if they have some original material,

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it would make me feel but I'm not saying that

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I'd rather of course the mass shootings don't happen at all,

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But you just realize, like the fucking the stuff we're

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working with here, the personas, the personalities, the citizenry, there's

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very you know, there's very little intellect, there's very little

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and like there's very little critical thought. Everyone it's just again,

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it's just parroting and repeating. Share share share share repost

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repost repost and this is how, you know, social media

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cultures ruined their minds, all of us, and we have

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to be scrolling all the time. It's like, does anyone

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just take in the information anymore and then put the

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phone down and then think about it, you know, while

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they're doing the fucking dishes, the laundry, while they're out there,

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you know, slow uttering a lawn or whatever, you know,

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or better yet, do it at your job. Waste time

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at your job doing it daydreaming, that's a great thing,

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and just thinking about things. You know, does anybody does

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that happen anymore? Like original just original thoughts, because it's

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it's just trying to make sense of this world, like

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we're all just these animals that again that we give

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ourselves too much credit and the free will and sentience department.

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I really don't think. I don't think that shit's an eight. Obviously,

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it has to be taught. Intellect has to be taught,

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critical thinking has to be taught. I don't know where

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I'm going with this. I guess I just started thinking,

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this is where I go, you know, with the next

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you know, bleak and depressing turn of world events. This

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is where I go. Is what I start thinking about so,

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you know, God, but looking at the fucking kids, looking

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at the shit he was about, you know, just reading

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about it, it's like Jesus, He's all over the place,

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and it's just it's just it's the miserable fuck who

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just never found any kind of solace. And I don't

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know what the fuck man. And mental illness, of course,

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but you know how much mental illness is genetic, and

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how much is kind of a product of the culture

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and the lifestyle and the disconnection from the living world

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and living in places that look like the frontage road

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on the I thirty five corridor. You know, I don't know.

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I don't know, but it's something to think about. Maybe

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it's just maybe it's half and half, huh. In other news,

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I've had a lot of pepsis, the tarantula, hawk wasp

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showing up to the yard lately, beautiful creatures, terrifying though.

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I was outside in my front yard smoking a cigar

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last night. I get these little cigars you don't inhale,

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of course, you just taste it and blow it out.

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I'll get mouth cancer, but not cancer or the lungs

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at least, like the lungs are the last thing you

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want to fuck with. You want to be able to

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run and go upstairs and go up hills and stuff. Anyway,

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if you do smoke, you should really quit, all right,

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and do something to quit anyway. But they've been hanging

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out a lot lately, and they were pollinating some crow

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and sickness that I got in my yard. Wonderful species

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of croton, the thorn scrub crowton about I don't know

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eight gets eight feet tall. It's a woody perennial shrub.

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I always try to get the seeds because I want

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to give them the mic heap so we can grow them.

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But I think, I think, like a lot of u forbs,

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they are explosively the hissing. So once the seed matures,

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the outer the outer line of tissue on the seed

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drives and contracts and squeezes the seeds out and they

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they shoot. You know, it's like a night as Skullus

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does that night a Skullus Texana night of skulls is

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a big genus, but Texano is the one we get here.

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It's only two feet tall, but night of Skullus. The

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stinging plant malamu here they call it, can get upwards.

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Some of them are like ten fifteen feet tall, and

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some are edible. But yeah, a lot, a lot of

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eu forbes do that, a lot of euphobias do that.

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They got explosively the hissing seeds, jet tropha, same thing,

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but the pepsis the wasps were on those, and you know,

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I love seeing them. They don't have any interest in you.

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It's supposed to be a very painful sting if you do,

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if you do get a hold of them. But then

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there was one hanging out last night when I was

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smoking this cigar up by the light, so I turned

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the porch light off and the fucker didn't leave. It

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was and that's I love them again. But there, when

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there's that close, it looked like he was drunk, like

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he was intoxicated or something. And that's what kind of

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vibed me out. I said, listen, I don't want you know,

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I don't want you to like sit on the tree

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stump that I sit on, you know, or take a

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break and the tree stump that i'm that I sit on,

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then I sit on you and you know, you sting

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me in my you know, scrot them or something that

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would be very painful. And I don't want to do that.

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I have utmost respect for you, but I'm not trying

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to go there with you right now. Right now, maybe

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at some point later, you know, if I need a

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good metaphor for for pain, you know, like how it

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feels going on the frontage road in the I thirty

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five quarridor you know, if I need and maybe then

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I would sit on a tarantula hawk and get you know,

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a tyrantula hawk a pepsis stinger in my scrotum. It's

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a good analogy for it. But I'm not there yet.

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I can always I can imagine what it feels like.

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So he was hanging out last night, and I think

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the reason that they the reason that they're around especially

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is because of this other arthropod that I love seeing.

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It's harmless to people. Well, I probably could bite you

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a little bit, but it's not going to really mess

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up too bad. U Tenisa Relatta. The trapp door spiders.

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They build what looks like a condom in the ground

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and they look kind of like tarantulas. I guess they

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can live for like a decade or two. But these

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were out during the rain a few days ago, like

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crawling around the park and of course there's the fucking

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you know people, I'm sure to just step on them.

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You have no respect, is why you got to build

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a culture that respects this shit. You know, it's the

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only way to do it. Put it out there, you know,

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culturally speaking. But anyway, so you know, the tarantula hawks

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will go hit these things, parasitize them with the larvae,

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lay eggs in them, and then is it the legs

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in them or on them. I'm obviously not an entomologist,

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but you know these that's what they use these spiders for.

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So that's what they're doing. And I actually dug one

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up nearby in a yard where I was planting a

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bunch of stuff. I planted some Bulcarnia, which you know

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is colloquially known as the ponytail palm, no relation to

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palms whatsoever. It's a monocot, but it's they're great fucking

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trees or yeah, I guess they're a tree. They got

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a massive swollen cattex looks like an hour glass with

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with a bunch of really long narrow hairs coming off it.

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They're great, but we can grow them outside down here

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in South Texas. And so I was planting one of

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those and some other stuff. And in somebody's yard down

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the block who you know, they don't have a lot

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of money, and they had a barren fucking lawn and

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I planted. I asked them if I could plant in

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a gave like eight months ago, and they said, yeah, sure.

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And then after that they said, you know, we really

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like that. Can you do some more? And I said

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I can. I absolutely do some more. This is what

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I do. And so I went out and just started planning.

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Now they're getting all kinds of shit, you know, until

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they tell me to stop. But I made sure I checked.

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I said, is this okay? I'm going a little over board.

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I know this is beyond what you asked for. But

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they said, oh, it's fine. So now I'm gonna start

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planting some ebony trees in the backyard and planting it up.

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And you know, they say thank you, and it's yeah, sure, thanks,

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But this is entirely selfish because now I get to

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see this stuff. And again, it works as a medicine

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against the fucking spiritual pain the scrotum sting from a

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pepsist wasp of having to look at the I thirty

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five corridor or any other commercial shit anywhere. I mean,

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really anyway, I say I thirty five quarter because that's

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what's near and dear. You know, that's my chosen hell

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when I start thinking of what's the most terrible human

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landscape in the first world? But for you, you might

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have your own if you live in whether you live

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in Des Moines, or whether you live in It's or

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It's of Portland, or whether you live in Southern caliph

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or Southern California's got a lot of this kind of disgusting,

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puke worthy habitat that people attempt to love. I think, well,

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you know what, let's go. I'm gonna go to this

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George Carlin quote. This is one of my favorite bits.

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I remember seeing this bit he did when I was

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like sixteen, and I said, who is this man? He's

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amazing so and then I actually met him when I

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was nineteen or twenty. Man, I was nineteen, got a

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photo of us together. But this is one of my

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favorite George Carlin. But say, let's let's listen to it.

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People are fucking dumb. Okay, that's not original. You can

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say what you want about this, but you and I

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love you, guys. I know I've played this for you. Before.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love that I.

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Speaker 2: Love it when I.

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Speaker 3: Didn't take a fucking catastrophe to get us to care

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for one another. I love the fact that we're on

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camera all the time from all angles. But you know what,

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you can say what you want about American and I say,

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I love this place. I wouldn't have it any other way.

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We wouldn't live in any other time in history and

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any other place. But say what you want about from

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Land of the Free, home of the brave. We got

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some dumb ass motherfuckers.

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Speaker 2: Never forget fuck it, ugliest landscape in the first world.

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Speaker 3: Now, obviously that doesn't include this audience. I understand that

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you seem intelligent and perceptive, but the rest of them,

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Holy jump, just get.

467
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,599
Speaker 2: To the point yards.

468
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: Come on, let's get to the pint tum more than

469
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,279
a second coat of paint.

470
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,839
Speaker 2: I never understood that.

471
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:33,319
Speaker 3: And this ain't just ranting and raven, this ain't just

472
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,519
blowing off steam. I got a little evidence to support

473
00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:36,079
my claim.

474
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,839
Speaker 2: It just seems to me.

475
00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: Seems to me that only a really low IQ population

476
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,000
could have taken this beautiful continent, this magnificent American landscape

477
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,519
that we inherited. Well, actually we stole it from the

478
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:55,079
Mexicans and the Indians. But hey, it was nice when

479
00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:00,640
we stole it. It looked pretty good. It was Christine paradies.

480
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: Have you seen it lately?

481
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,039
Speaker 3: Have you taken a good look at it lately? It's

482
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,599
fucking embarrassing. Only a nation of unenlightened half wits could

483
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,359
have taken this beautiful place and turned it into.

484
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: What it is today.

485
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,839
Speaker 3: A shopping mall, a big fucking shopping.

486
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: There you go. I'll never forget. That's all you got.

487
00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:26,799
Speaker 3: That's all you've got here, folks, mile after mile of

488
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,759
mall after mall, many many malls, major malls and mini malls.

489
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,000
They put the mini malls in between the major malls,

490
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,200
and in between the mini malls they put them mini marks.

491
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,400
And in between the mini march you got the car lots,

492
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:40,079
gas stations, muffler shops, laundro match cheap.

493
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: General book stories, four viewership.

494
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: Of one big trans continental commercial cesspool. And how did

495
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,960
the people feel about all this? How did the people

496
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,799
feel about living in a coast to coast shopping mall. Well,

497
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:57,519
they think it's just fucking dandy, all right, They think

498
00:26:57,599 --> 00:26:58,920
it is cool as can.

499
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: All right them all? And then he just starts talking

500
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,720
about fat people, which you know, I don't think that's necessary.

501
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:06,319
We don't need that. You know, a lot of people

502
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,839
are just products of what. It's not their fault. You know,

503
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,240
there's shit food. You know, there's there's it's not it's

504
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,880
not their fault. For Fox's sake, you know. But if

505
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,000
you can get you can get into doing one hundred

506
00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:17,880
push ups a day or something, you should do it.

507
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,119
I it's not gonna be that bad, you know. Just

508
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:24,279
set a little timer, do push ups for twenty seconds,

509
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,279
take a twenty second, rist do push ups for another

510
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,599
twenty seconds. As many as you can do, take another

511
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,240
twenty second. Rist it'll be good for you. And if

512
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:34,480
you get tired of doing push ups and do some squats,

513
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,440
it's just about getting your cardio going, you know. It's

514
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,079
what I would do. And I was in the locomotive

515
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,200
cab at the railroad because guy, that was fucking horrible.

516
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:46,240
Sitting still is pain. It's terrible, it really is. Sitting

517
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,759
still is is hard. And I'm worried about that with

518
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,279
my kid too, because she gets I know, she's she's

519
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,319
already got the add so to, you know, for learning

520
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,319
things like that. There's got to be a dope to

521
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,839
for learning things. When you get you got to get

522
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:02,799
a dopamine drip. It's got to be something you're really

523
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,799
stoked on. And she's not going to be good at

524
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,759
just following rules and being forced to memorize stuff. And

525
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,799
I think that's a good thing. So anyway, I did

526
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,240
a native plant install. Somebody hit me up and they

527
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:24,920
seen my friends another install that I did, and they said,

528
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,599
I want that. And I was surprised because not a

529
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,920
lot of people do down here, but you know, they

530
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,319
want the lawn plants are messy. They want the Saint

531
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,519
Augustine grass. But I said, okay, I will do this,

532
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,160
and I said, here's what we do. He gets you

533
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,720
prep it. I told her to prep it. She had nothing.

534
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:44,799
She had just bermute everywhere. I said, get you know,

535
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,680
order thirty cubic yards of mulch. Get three thirty dollars

536
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:54,000
rolls of irrigation tubing half inch whole space twelve or

537
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:57,440
eighteen inches apart. Get the adapter so you can hook

538
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,880
it up to the hose, and then get someone to

539
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,200
if you know a guy you know who can lay

540
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,359
it for you. You know a guy who can lay

541
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,160
it for you, you know, get the mulch dumped, laid

542
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,680
on the irrigation tubing, spread the mulch out over it

543
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:16,759
thicker than you think you'll need, like four to six inches,

544
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,599
and then let me know when it's all done. I'll

545
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,559
come back with a truckload of plants. That's what I did,

546
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,440
and it's it's still brutally hot out today, so I

547
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:28,000
showed up at like eight thirty pm, you know, with

548
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,519
a truckload of plants and a nice sharpshooter. By the way,

549
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:34,480
I updated the crime base of Botany doesn't dot Com

550
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:41,240
the website and gave a tutorial it's like a step

551
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:44,119
by step easy lawn kill because people kept asking me.

552
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,599
But anyway, it's on the website, along with our tour

553
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,079
dates for our upcoming tour for me an Else tour

554
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:54,440
and Peggy Notabart Nature Museum in Chicago September tenth. I'll

555
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,440
be there. It's fucking great. It's after hours, you know,

556
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,119
and there's not going to be you know, the kids

557
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:00,880
aren't going to be around, so I can curse. But

558
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,160
I told them I can chill out a little bit

559
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,519
with the profanity, but they said, don't even worry about it.

560
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,079
It's gonna be six, you know, don't worry. So because

561
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:12,039
normally you go there's a bunch of screaming kids around,

562
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,000
which is good. I love that. That's good to get

563
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,599
the kids into nature. The Peggy Notabard Nature Museum is

564
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,680
right there on beautiful Lake Shore Drive, right there on LSD,

565
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:25,160
just north of the Alfred Caldwell Lily Pond, which I

566
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,240
would go. I would go there sometimes and you'd see

567
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:29,400
like Chinese ladies rolling up with buckets going to be

568
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:33,680
like get the turtles out of the fucking pond, presumably

569
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,119
to cook them. But they had a don redwood in

570
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,359
that lily pond too, which is like or they have

571
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,000
I think it's still there, which is actually like sixty

572
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:46,920
seventy feet tall. Maybe it's a beautiful tree. It's a

573
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:48,880
nice spot to lurk, you know. And if you can

574
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,880
hop the fence after hours when a gates are locked,

575
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,559
you get the whole spot to yourself. You know. You

576
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,920
can go in and smoke a doobie, you know, or

577
00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:59,480
just hang out whatever you're doing, you know, get some

578
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,480
night nice peace and quiet. But anyway, where was it

579
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,319
we were talking about long killing? So all that stuff's

580
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:10,559
on the website along with the tour dates. But so

581
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,759
we were So I show up at eight thirty with

582
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:15,480
this truckload of plants and just start planting. Got a

583
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,160
sharp shooter shovel. Of course, the long narrow shovels never

584
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:21,200
bother with the spade shaped shovel. It's a fucking I

585
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,960
don't know why they do that. It's for like grave

586
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,319
digging in mafia movies. You don't you don't actually use

587
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:30,920
those for planting stuff, Okay, they're just props. And so

588
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,440
within like three it took me three hours, But within

589
00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:40,279
three hours I planted god, I don't know, sixty to

590
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,359
seventy different plants, and like a diverse array of stuff too.

591
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:48,960
You know Sydney attenu, a folia skeleton leaf I got.

592
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,319
You know, Texas eBones. I got tepawahes, which is probably

593
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:55,519
one of the fastest growing trees we have down here.

594
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,720
You plant a one gallon pot, it'll be twenty feet

595
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:01,720
tall in two years if you can irrigated. It's very

596
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:05,920
lightweight wood. But if you need like immediate cover, it

597
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,400
grows fast as hell, and then you don't have to

598
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,079
worry about cutting it down later on because they grow

599
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,880
so fast, and you know they'll start my I planted one,

600
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,480
a one gallon pot. It's already twenty feet tall. I'm

601
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,279
already getting seeds out of it. Then I save the

602
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:19,240
seeds and I can grow more. It's such a great

603
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:22,759
fucking plant. You know, it's mimosoid. It's mimosoid legumees. So

604
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:26,799
it's got little white powder puff flowers. I presume it's

605
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:28,920
a pioneer species. I mean, because I'll see them in

606
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,839
alleys sometimes too. But you know, in your area, figure

607
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:34,759
out what the pioneer species are, the native pioneer species.

608
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,440
That's what you use, and those you just you know,

609
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:40,599
if you're starting with like a barren, open lot, you

610
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,319
know it's a process. You got to respect the process.

611
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:48,359
It's ecological secession. Pioneer species first, secondary secession species that

612
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,599
maybe grow a little bit slower, take a little bit

613
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,000
longer to get established, need that microclimate of humidity, and

614
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,160
maybe can't take full sun right away. Only when they're

615
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:01,119
you know, older, right, and those start growing in the

616
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,680
climax species whatever so ebonies are like a secondary or

617
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:11,680
climax species. Secondary session or climax climax species. But you know,

618
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,200
you if they're larger, you can plant them in full sun,

619
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,160
they'll do okay. And she already had the irrigation, so

620
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:20,240
so it was great. And that was the thing, like

621
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,319
prepping the site, like I would do that from now on. First,

622
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,440
Like I would just lay the mulch in the fucking

623
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,640
irrigation tubing, which doesn't take you know, again, it's cheap.

624
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:33,519
It's like thirty bucks for one hundred foot roll in

625
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:37,000
this half inch irrigation tube. You can use rainburd you

626
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,400
can use whatever, and then you got to buy the

627
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,720
couplers to put it together. But it's really simple. I

628
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:44,160
think I I think I went into it on the

629
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,599
Round Rock, Texas lawn kill episode on the crime Pace YouTube.

630
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,240
But you do that, and then digging the hole is

631
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:56,119
so much easier too, because the ground's not baked to shit.

632
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,400
It's not like digging into dry clay and then stuff

633
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,920
just thrives because the whole soil horizon's already moist. And

634
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,640
so that's what I did, and yeah, I just it

635
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,119
went great. Man, I just soaked in. Yeah, I mean

636
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,239
in three hours to plant that much, I must have

637
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,679
planted I don't know how many hundreds of square feet,

638
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:15,599
but and then it was at night too, so I

639
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,719
was just you had a headlamp so I wasn't roasting

640
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,960
in the sun, so I could go longer too. It

641
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,800
was great, It was really fucking wonderful. And so now

642
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,760
I'm stoked to go back and see because this lady's

643
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,079
got a lot of land. You got a lot of

644
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,760
land to replant. So now I'm stoked to go see

645
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,639
how it turns out. And then I told her, you know,

646
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,400
let it grow. It might be a little dense right now,

647
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,360
but you can take stuff out in two years. Again,

648
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,079
it's a process, right And she's and she showed me

649
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:43,519
a picture on her phone. She's like, this is what

650
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,280
we have at the monthly. This is what we have

651
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,840
at the ranch. I don't want it to look like that.

652
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,639
And I said, well, why do you live here? Like

653
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,199
this is what we got, you know, this is what

654
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,440
you know it's and it was like a thick brush,

655
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:56,840
you know. And I'm like, that is a stage. That's

656
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,679
not the end stage. That's one stage. Your yard's gonna

657
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,280
look like that for a second, well for like a

658
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,400
year or two, and then you know, in two years,

659
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,599
as the canopy gets taller, you can thin that shit out,

660
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,960
remove some trees, make it really inviting and you know,

661
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,360
wonderful to be in. And it'll be easy. Everything will

662
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,440
recover from pruning and maintenance and all that shit easily

663
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:24,519
because the whole I mean, you've basically created this microclimate

664
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:29,280
that is, you know, ten to fifteen degrees cooler than

665
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,960
you know, the next the barren lot next door, and

666
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:36,719
the soil has you know, five times as much moisture

667
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,239
in it, and the soil is you know, rich and

668
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,639
full of life because the roots are acting as scaffolding

669
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,679
for all the beneficial microbes. You got all this stuff

670
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,519
going already, you know, compared to like a barren lot

671
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:51,440
next door, or a fucking mode piece of turf grass,

672
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,159
which people can't really do it on here. They try,

673
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,880
but it just ends up looking like shit anyway because

674
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,960
it's just too hot. You know. Especially, I think you

675
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:02,760
can maybe you can do it if you keep the lawn,

676
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,639
if you cut it high, like four inches, you know,

677
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:07,920
which is what people do with Saint Augustine. But otherwise

678
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,440
it just that it gets baked, and of course, irrigate

679
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,960
the hell out of it. God, it's so sick, it's

680
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,079
so fucking deranged. But but that's It's just again I

681
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:18,639
say this all the time too, but it's the same thing.

682
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:20,760
It's like, why do people not realize, like how that's

683
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,840
how the fucking land heals, like the benefits, especially in

684
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,079
a hot area, the benefits of having plant cover, Like

685
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,000
come on, man, wait, what do you want? You just

686
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,400
want it open and hot. There's like no concept of

687
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,239
what would that be thermal dynamics. I guess of just

688
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,760
heat and sun. Anyway, But while I was out there,

689
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,519
I uh, I gotta find out what species of antis

690
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:48,920
was because the mulch is everywhere and I was digging.

691
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,800
I think the ants were in the malt and they're

692
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,000
probably invasive because I mostly encounter them in people's in

693
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,519
areas where the lands and cleared and you know, in

694
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:04,679
people's yards whatever, or the land's been clear and the

695
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,679
human infrastructure has been set up. But they're these little

696
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,159
black ants. And they went all up my arm and

697
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,840
stung me like twenty times. I feel like I got

698
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,599
like it's like chiggers, and it hurts and radiates pain

699
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,679
for a few hours and then it starts itching, and

700
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,480
then it itches for like two days. It got so

701
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,800
itchy that I had to go put my arm under

702
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:30,039
the hot water, you know, to chill out the histamine response.

703
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:31,800
It was fucking brutal man. And I don't know what

704
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,719
species it is. I'm so curious, you know, I don't.

705
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:38,079
I would imagine it's not native, you know, because like

706
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:41,039
the harvest the ants, a little red harvest the ants,

707
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,119
you know, the food for the Texas horned lizards. They'll

708
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,760
sting too, but they're actually pretty docile, like they don't

709
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,239
at least in my experience. I've been stung once or twice,

710
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,320
like when I'm like standing on their nest and not

711
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,679
paying attention, and you're like, ah, fucking it hurts. It

712
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,480
hurts bad, but it's not horrible. Well these man, these

713
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,440
were just fucking they come right at you. They come

714
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:06,280
right at you. I still remember those, uh those they

715
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,519
call them jumping jacks, those deadly ants in Tasmania. There's

716
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:13,599
an ante in Tasmania that I guess like thirty percent

717
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:18,440
of the population is like scared, like frighteningly allergic to,

718
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,079
like where you have to go get like an epiephri

719
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:22,440
and pen you have to go to the hospital. But

720
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,320
they call them jumping jacks, but they're really fucking aggressive ants.

721
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,320
They'll actually jump at you, and they form these big nests.

722
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,599
And so when me and whatdy were down there, we'd

723
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,400
fuck with him because they would, you know, their dicks,

724
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,639
h And so you poke the nest a little bit

725
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:37,559
and then you see him jump at you and whatever.

726
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:39,559
I mean, we didn't go overboard, you know, just a

727
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:43,039
couple jabs here and there. But but and they're large.

728
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:45,920
They're like an inch long. You know. These were like

729
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,039
tiny little ants, the ones that stung me in a

730
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,119
mulch the other day. But my whole arm it it

731
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,800
feels like chicken pox on it. Now. God, it's brutal.

732
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,920
I mean, what is that. It's got to be invasive.

733
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,079
If anybody knows, send me an email. Okay, I think

734
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,800
I figured it out what that was after talking to

735
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,000
my friend Clint. It's fire ants, which I know, you know,

736
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,400
I hear the word fire ants all the time in Texas,

737
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,480
but I had never I guess I had never really

738
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:12,800
seen one, or or at least I was not aware

739
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,559
of what they looked like. But man, this is it

740
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:21,719
finally went away after four days of itching. But uh,

741
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,280
you know, yeah, they're fucking terrible. They're I guess they've

742
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,840
been eradicating them in Australia using some sort of hot

743
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,960
water injection method, Like they roll up to the nest

744
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,679
with this long tube, like a two foot long prod

745
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:36,199
that they stick in the nest and then just inject

746
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,719
uh what a like ninety degrees celsius water into the

747
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,960
nest and that tends to kill them. But that's a

748
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,800
physical method, you know, so it takes having to go around.

749
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,480
It's better than chemical though, because there's it doesn't there's

750
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:51,920
no bycatch. You're not killing all the other native insects. Anyway,

751
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,559
I just got back from Nuevo Leone. I took a

752
00:39:56,599 --> 00:40:00,320
little break between starting its recording and now, and we

753
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,840
waited in the borderline for like three hours yesterday at

754
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,840
the bridge, which I guess was all on the Mexican

755
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,719
side too, because the Mexican military is doing some sort

756
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,199
of weaponized incompetence, you know, as a response to the

757
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,559
Trump tariffs. Just fucking more more. Just tangerine man, you notice,

758
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:24,000
tangerine pig. It's very very frustrating. We're all feeling the

759
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:28,320
effects of it. But anyway, so we I mean we

760
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,920
waited like literally three hours and we moved a quarter

761
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,280
of a mile and then suddenly at eate thirty, you know,

762
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,239
because this is on a Monday night, eight thirty, the

763
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,559
line just all of a sudden, you just moved. I

764
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:43,280
mean we moved a quarter of a mile in three hours,

765
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:47,039
and then we moved three miles because it's a long bridge,

766
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,960
in a matter of ten minutes. So and then we

767
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:55,119
when we went by the Mexican border station, we saw

768
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,639
all the you know, the Mexican military in their fatigues

769
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,360
walking home, which was funny. So it was like literally

770
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,800
they were just like, okay, we're down he Harry, this

771
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,920
is getting late and scap and then it was just like,

772
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:13,000
you know, not these geopolitical borders, they get so frustrated sometimes,

773
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:16,880
but Nuevo Leone was just it was just a fucking

774
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,840
incredible experience. It's so nice. I learned so much. Every

775
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,280
one of these trips, I learned so much. This was

776
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,599
like a four or five day trip, and it was

777
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:26,480
with a bunch of herpers. I was with a bunch

778
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:30,920
of friends, three friends that are all reptile nerds. One

779
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,199
of them works at the zoo, two of them work

780
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,840
at the zoo, the other you know, just really good

781
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,599
buddies and they know their shit when it comes to reptiles,

782
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,480
and so they know the habitat, they know where to look.

783
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:49,679
They were actually setting out ten They brought sheets of tin.

784
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,360
They call it tin, it's just sheet metal to set

785
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,320
out in habitat and create habitat for these snakes and

786
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,280
then they'll come back in six months or a year

787
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,639
or whenever. And checked them and they were looking for

788
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,559
two main species tom a leap and rock rattlesnakes, which

789
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:08,400
are so fucking cute, I mean, just immensely tiny snakes

790
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,599
and they've got a uh they do this thing called

791
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:14,480
coat alluring, which is we've probably seen it in videos

792
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:17,079
of vipers, and I know there's like a famous viper

793
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:21,039
in Iran that the whole snake is camouflage, but its

794
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:23,519
tail is like a bright color and it lures in

795
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:27,559
its prey and then uh, you know, goes for it.

796
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:30,880
So that's what these these snakes do. I forget what

797
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,159
they mainly ate. I think it was lizards. I think

798
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:37,320
they're mainly going for for lizards, but uh, but they've

799
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,079
got this like kind of bright orange tail. They're not

800
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:41,079
that big, they're very small, like a two foot long

801
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:46,199
one would be a large adult. But we were looking

802
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,599
for them, and then we were looking for Scaloperis minor.

803
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,800
You know, Scloperis the genus offense lizards. Scalaperus minor is

804
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,239
like a god, it's this beautiful fucking it's it's beautiful

805
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,639
blue lizard, at least the males are. We saw a

806
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:04,800
few other Scaloperas species, Scloperis spinosis, which is massive, really

807
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,840
large for a fence lizard. And we were looking for

808
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:14,239
a king snakes for what is it. Lampropeltis leonis really

809
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,960
beautiful king snake. Feisty little guys too. You know, they're

810
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,000
just biting. They're just constantly biting you. It can't relax.

811
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,599
Totally harmless of course, And so we would go out

812
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:26,679
into habitat and then I'm just you know, I'm like

813
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,199
the plant guy out there, just going nuts, trying to

814
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,960
photograph everything, get multiple photos, because that's the record of

815
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,840
a species that I'll encounter and then make a log

816
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,679
of and then you know, nowhere to place it on

817
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,199
my own phylogenetic tree that I keep in my mind

818
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,320
and on the eye naturalist app and uh and then

819
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,199
study it and just have a record of it and

820
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,199
also good documentation and et cetera.

821
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: It was.

822
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great fucking trip. I mean we

823
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,559
spent the whole week at elevations of like sixty five

824
00:43:56,679 --> 00:44:02,159
hundred feet, perfect temperature, just like you know, just these

825
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:08,440
these little farming communities, essentially Galliano, the town of Galliano

826
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:10,440
was was a little hot. I hadn't been there in

827
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:12,840
a while, but you could tell there's been some gang activity.

828
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:17,280
So you know, it's just just you just get these

829
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,039
you know, a certain vibe you know that I'm well

830
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:24,480
accustomed to. So uh but yeah, I mean we were

831
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:26,840
in these mountains. You know, you've got the rain, you

832
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,199
get the Sierra Madre oriental right there, which goes from

833
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,480
north to south this mountain range, and uh, it goes

834
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:36,280
from you know, you get the Gulf on the eastern side,

835
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,960
and all that hot those warm ocean currents lead to

836
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:44,360
lots of evaporation, and that all that moisture then moves

837
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,800
west over the mainland and as it gets as the

838
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,440
mountains rise, it gets squeezed up, it gets uplifted and

839
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,920
and and uh condensed at higher elevations, and so that

840
00:44:57,199 --> 00:45:00,000
leads to lots of rain and lots of water vapor

841
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,360
in the air as well. Even when it's not raining,

842
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,760
lots of fog. And you can tell because when you

843
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,000
go up into these oak forests, these pine and oak forests,

844
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:11,440
the oaks are all covered in Spanish moss. They're all

845
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:15,599
covered in Tulanzia oos nioides, a very silver ecotype, much

846
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:20,079
more so than you might encounter in you know, southern Louisiana.

847
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,039
And it is just it's a fucking phenomenal place. There's

848
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:28,280
you know, agave montana everywhere. There's like thirty five oak

849
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,119
species in the state of Nuevo Leon alone. You know,

850
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,519
Mexico is the epicenter of diversity for oaks. I think

851
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,599
it's the most diverse. I think it is, it's the

852
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:45,559
most diverse region for oaks. But you know, the we

853
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:48,639
were recount of everything from small scrub oaks to large

854
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:52,960
spreading trees, just these fucking gorgeous trees, just all draped

855
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,360
in Tulanzia. I saw Aby's vaharii, which is a a

856
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,800
fur species you get up to like seven sixty five

857
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,280
hundred and seven thousand feet. There's abs up there. Those

858
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,320
were covered Intlanzia too. There's our Beutis halapentus. Of course,

859
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,840
the madrone I mean you get an idea of what

860
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,239
Texas might have looked like Central Texas and West Texas

861
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,760
in the Pleistocene when temperatures were cooler, and some of

862
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,360
these lineages probably occurred in Texas, you know, like when

863
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,719
do that abies last occur in Texas? Was it there

864
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,039
in the Pleistocene? Maybe who knows, you know, it's some

865
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:31,320
of the Davis Mountains or something. It was just I

866
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,400
feel intoxicated with the amount of things I saw and

867
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,320
the amount of things I learned as well. And I also,

868
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:40,760
I mean, I also learned I guess I've known this

869
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,199
for a while, but you know, Mexico frequently their landscape

870
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,119
is not as trashed as the United States one is,

871
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:49,760
and namely, I mean, you go to some areas, there's

872
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,440
fucking litter and all the there's you know, garbage dumping

873
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:55,559
in all the arroyos or whatever. It looks like shit.

874
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:59,360
But their sprawl is so much less. They don't have

875
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,079
sprawl like the United States does, which is what I

876
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:04,679
spent you know, the first ten minutes of this podcast

877
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,599
ranting about and what I probably rant about in every

878
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,679
podcast episode I do, because it's such a it's just

879
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,199
such an eyesore, you know, it's just spiritual eyesore as well.

880
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:18,079
It's so depressing to see just ugliest landscape in the

881
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:23,119
first world. Mexico doesn't have that. Why because the industry

882
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:26,239
of development is not as big there, and also because

883
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,760
of something called the Ihido system, which was enacted put

884
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,000
into place after the Mexican Revolution. And I don't I'm

885
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:37,119
not an expert on it, but it basically placed large

886
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:41,880
tracts of land into collective ownership of indigenous and peasant

887
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,800
farmer communities, and so it can be a huge pain

888
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,639
in the ass for any single entity, whether it's an

889
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:50,800
individual developer or a corporation, to come in and buy

890
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,599
up a big tract of land and put you know,

891
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,840
strip mall garbage, shitty condos, apartment complexes, you know, can

892
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,480
sumer retail whatever there. It just is not as widespread,

893
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:08,519
and neither is this culture of just driving fucking everywhere,

894
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:11,519
even if it's only like a quarter mile away. So,

895
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,559
you know, it's you get to see what the US

896
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,800
could be and could have been had we had we

897
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:27,599
proceeded differently. But of course it's you know, it's individual ownership.

898
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:31,840
It's it's that's too socialists. So we have what we

899
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,079
have which is just every little bit of land, every

900
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:37,079
last little bit of land is gonna get gobbled up

901
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:38,719
and turned into garbage.

902
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 4: You know, except that, well, we've got the national parks

903
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,280
of the state parks.

904
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,559
Speaker 2: Okay, this is none of this is state park. I mean,

905
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,880
this is all. The Ahito thing is pretty cool. I

906
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,320
have a friend who was she does surveys, I think

907
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,880
it was I think she was in Hakumba and they

908
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,559
were working on the Mexican side for some sort of

909
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,760
transmission line that goes from the United States and then

910
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,840
crosses the Mexican border at California at Hkumba or thereabouts

911
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,960
and goes to the Mexico And they were gonna build

912
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,639
some transmission line and the developer, who is the company

913
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,679
or the corporation behind it, ended up just saying fuck

914
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,920
it because they couldn't work with the Ahito system. They

915
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,159
couldn't get everyone in the Ahiito to agree to sell

916
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,519
the land that was needed for this transmission lines. For

917
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:26,559
better or worse. I think it's pretty good, but you

918
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:32,280
know that that's a major stall to development. So it's

919
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,559
not like Mexico naturally protects its land or like there's

920
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,360
any more respect for the living world there. It's just

921
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,760
it's mainly the Ajiito system, and then of course there's

922
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,119
other things that come into play, like zoning laws and poverty.

923
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,480
You know, you build these massive strip malts that who's

924
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,079
going to go? You know, that kind of thing. But

925
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:53,400
it's it's certainly preserved a lot more of the living world,

926
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,719
and it certainly looks less ugly. I didn't see billboards

927
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,639
for four days. Now we get back, you know, because

928
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:03,039
we weren't in the cities either, and then of course

929
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:05,440
getting back into like more developed there as use, the

930
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,559
billboards start popping up, and you know, right on the

931
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:11,760
border the billboards come. I mean that all that visual pollution,

932
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,000
that mental pollution. It's it's when you go without it

933
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:17,760
for a while, you really notice it when you get

934
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,480
back to it, and then it's it's such a it

935
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:24,039
clears your head. Man. I don't think people realize how

936
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:28,079
much just having billboards around fox with them it's really hideous.

937
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:31,199
And down here in South Texas people love the led billboards.

938
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,000
I don't understand that either. What kind of fucking you know,

939
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,159
what kind of degenerate mindset do you need to have

940
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,159
where the night sky is no longer sacred? Being able

941
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,280
to see stars is no longer sacred. How are led

942
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,440
billboards legal? Especially some of these they're fucking bright as all.

943
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,880
They look like yard lights in a prison. It's it's horrible.

944
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:55,119
Hopefully somebody shoots them out. That is what that is

945
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:57,719
what a AR fifteen is made for, you know, shooting

946
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:04,079
out billboards, right, and occasionally pigs. So you know, given

947
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:07,719
how ugly the landscape of the human built landscape of

948
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,679
South Texas can be, all the retail slums, you know,

949
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,639
it just looks like the I thirty five quarter between

950
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:13,840
Austin and San Antonio, or probably in Dallas. I mean

951
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:16,440
really these are places of course that this is most

952
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,679
of what the United States is now. Given how ugly

953
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,000
that is, it's so easy to forget that. The mountains,

954
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,519
the Sierra Madre is literally three hours over the border,

955
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:29,639
two hours maybe, and it would be closer if you know,

956
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:31,840
you can go faster on the roads. We were actually

957
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,239
Kyle was driving pretty goddamn fast, and the way back

958
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,199
it was, you know, I was jarring. It was scary,

959
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,079
but you know it's it's it's closer than San Antonio

960
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,800
and then you start getting elevation and with that elevation,

961
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,800
you start getting drastic change ups in the plant communities

962
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,559
and and you know, at three thousand feet, so you know,

963
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,559
you cross the border, you drive through all the shitty

964
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:57,320
border towns are depressing the bleak. It's just just you know,

965
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,920
it's a it's as you would expect. It's all sorts

966
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,280
of you know, economic and political aspects today. And then

967
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:10,719
you're driving through what looks like the scrublands of I

968
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,360
guess Star County, like the Paote gardens. It looks like that.

969
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,719
And you can't really see what any of that looks

970
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,760
like around the McCallen or Brownsville area because it's all

971
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,320
been destroyed either for agriculture or for strip malls. And

972
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,920
so you're driving through these kind of undulating hills with

973
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,719
Helietta part of a flora, the member of rutesi to

974
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,920
citrus family. That's pretty rare, all these plants that only occupy,

975
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,320
you know, the Northern Mexico South Texas region. It's a

976
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,519
very special region near and dear to my heart, at

977
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:46,320
least floristically, not so much culturally. And you go through

978
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,039
this and it's you know, I'm sure there's tons of

979
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:51,239
payote in these scrub lands and this thorn scrub that

980
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,440
you're going through, and tons of astrophytem and asterious and

981
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,000
all kinds of other cool cactus species. And then slowly

982
00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:00,280
you start to gain up elevation a thousand feet, two

983
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,119
thousand feet, and then you hit three thousand feet and

984
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,280
when you're driving towards you know, eatthrbide going into the

985
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,920
mountains of the Sierra Madre, which again, you know, these

986
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:15,719
these bedding planes that were originally deposit horizontally in the

987
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,400
ocean floor in the mid Cretaceous one hundred million years

988
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,000
ago have been flipped up almost vertically, and they've created

989
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:26,000
just these incredible landscapes. I mean, that's why you get

990
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:31,960
these sheer cliffs that are basically you know, horizontal ocean

991
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:35,840
floor flipped up almost ninety degrees vertical, and you get

992
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,719
all these incredible rock dwelling plants. I mean, the terrain

993
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,920
is so drastic. There was there were still new species

994
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,920
being described there as recently as when was a gayve

995
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,960
albo pelosa described twenty years ago or something, And so

996
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,960
you know, you go from this really hot, just unbearably

997
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:56,159
hot thorn scrub plant habitat, which is much like our

998
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,920
conservation property thorn Scrubs sanctuary where it's got all these

999
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:04,239
nurse plants, the blackbrush, the vicelias, all these legumes. Uh,

1000
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:11,480
you know Castilla erecta, solo feminists, Spinosis Texas, snake eyes, helietta.

1001
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,800
You know, these these shrubs to small trees. And then

1002
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,159
underneath that is of course all the peote and the

1003
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,360
astrophied the other cool plants. You know, Cora phanta, macro maris,

1004
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,159
a kindo serious any of Cantu's a kind of serious posegai,

1005
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:30,599
a kind of serious penthalopis. And you start going up

1006
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:33,960
in elevation and you hit these mountains, and not only

1007
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:36,159
are you going up in elevation, but the mountains create

1008
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,480
these micro climates because they shade these canyons. And then

1009
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,079
you've got all the water running through the canyons. It

1010
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,280
goes right off the mountain sides, is funneled into these

1011
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,760
little canyons, and you start getting more interesting plants. You

1012
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,559
start getting Nahuatlia hypo luca, which is like a shrubby

1013
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:56,639
member of the the Astaacei. There's I don't think there's

1014
00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:59,320
any other members of that subfamily in the United States.

1015
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,639
We've got some thorn scrub, really bright white undersize to

1016
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,760
the leaves. You know, it gets ten feet tall, needs

1017
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,119
full sun, happy as a pig and shit in full sun.

1018
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:16,239
Beautiful plant, white flowers that look like many discoid sunflower floorrets,

1019
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,559
you know, and it always gets butterfly crack. It's always

1020
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:23,119
covered in butterflies. When it's blooming. Starts seeing that around

1021
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,679
you start seeing there was another really cool member of

1022
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,440
rutasi that we don't get in South Texas, and I

1023
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:30,440
wish we did. I wonder if you could grow it here,

1024
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:34,760
it would probably die back in a freeze. Decatropis by color.

1025
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,360
I think they've got it growing it. You see Berkeley

1026
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,199
at the Botanic Gardens there. But it's got these like

1027
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:44,079
rusty undersides, pinnate leaves, and then when it flowers, I

1028
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:47,960
think the flowers are like little white flowers. And of

1029
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:50,760
course if you crush up the leaves, you know, typical rutasi,

1030
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,119
it's got a pungent smell to it, and it's got

1031
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:55,960
like this rusty pubescence on the stems as well. It's

1032
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,519
a fucking gray plant. And I wish, I wish it

1033
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:01,639
was available in horticulture, but it's not, of course. Oh yeah,

1034
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:05,199
the flowers because I only saw it flowering from the road.

1035
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,079
The flowers are incredible, like these spikes of you know,

1036
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,639
small inch inch wide white flowers, and it's a dominant shrub.

1037
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,480
It's likes these hotter elevations. You start going up and

1038
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:22,320
then that's when you start seeing other really cool and

1039
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,000
weird plants like diune edgily, which is a pycad. You know,

1040
00:56:26,039 --> 00:56:29,639
it's a gymno sperm. Cycads are those really weird. I

1041
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,360
call them conifers, but they're technically gymno sperms. If you

1042
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,159
want to really get down to it, if you want

1043
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:38,480
to be a pedantic snob about it, they you know,

1044
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,239
the cycads are an old lineage. They produce cones. You

1045
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:48,320
get the encephalardos in South Africa, psychis revoluta quote unquote.

1046
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,639
The sago palm is a psychad. You know, you probably

1047
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:52,920
see that like your granny's yard in Florida, you know,

1048
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:55,880
planted with the Saint Augustine grass. They're common in the

1049
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,320
home dust bit kind of a horticultural atrocity, but kind

1050
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,519
of cool. They're just overplanted, but you know, with no context.

1051
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:04,760
They're native to Asia. But then the New World pycads

1052
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,440
like the Zamias. There's that rare Zamia from the Miami

1053
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:12,599
Pine Rocklands. It's I think the only cycad that occurs

1054
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,079
in the United States. And I've got a couple of

1055
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:18,000
those growing in my friend yard from when we filmed

1056
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,639
Kill your Lawn, because they they'll grow in South Texas too.

1057
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:23,719
That's Zamia and Tegrafolia, and then Zamia for Forasia, it

1058
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,480
can be somewhat common too, but that's more Mexican one.

1059
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:30,039
And of course they've got the corlloid roots with the

1060
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:34,039
nitrogen fixing cyanobacteria in the root nodules. You know, got

1061
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:38,119
to convert that N two in the atmosphere into NH

1062
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:42,159
three so it can be used by plants. And that's

1063
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:46,039
what the cyanobacteria do. Of course they're photosynthetic bacteria, but

1064
00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:51,039
they also produce nitrogeny enzymes that that can do the

1065
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:57,679
work turning atmospheric nitrogen into usable NH three. So anyway,

1066
00:57:57,719 --> 00:57:59,920
but so I knew there was dione in this this air,

1067
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,119
but you know, I'd never seen them before, and so

1068
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:08,119
when we were rolling through these cliffs, I was just

1069
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,320
rubber neck and hard. I wasn't driving, thank God, because

1070
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:12,920
I would have driven us off the fucking road. We're

1071
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:18,559
going through these forested well woodland, thorn scrub forest, thorn

1072
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:23,320
forest lowlands in these narrow canyons, and I'm looking up

1073
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,840
at this limestone seeing all the cool of gaves and

1074
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,079
all the cool shit whatever, and I see the fucking

1075
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:32,760
pinnate leaves of this diune and I say stop, stop, stop,

1076
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:34,760
you know, we gotta go, gotta go back. You know,

1077
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,880
these are all herpers too, So I appreciate this because

1078
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,920
they have no interest in plants whatsoever. Kyle does a

1079
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,400
little bit, but Clinton Chris, I don't think. Well, Chris

1080
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,159
had some interest either way, you know, that's their main jan.

1081
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:45,920
It's like if I was, you know, going on like

1082
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,920
a plant expedition, I brought a reptile nerd with me

1083
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,679
and he was like, oh, stop stop, I gotta see that,

1084
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:53,280
you know. So I really appreciate it. They were kind enough.

1085
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,679
So we go back and I just been geeking out

1086
00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:59,639
over this this diune that's growing eighty feet above the

1087
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:03,679
road out of a limestone cliff in full sun. And

1088
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,519
it's you know, that's another thing. It's like, why is

1089
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:08,079
this not grown more like these? These would do great

1090
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:10,440
in South Texas where they're and they're actually you know,

1091
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:14,440
native into this region. They probably occurred in South Texas. God,

1092
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,440
I don't know, a million years ago. Maybe the or

1093
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,920
the ancestor of them occurred in South Texas million years ago.

1094
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,159
You got to think about I'm always thinking about that,

1095
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:25,559
how these distributions shift according to climatic change over you know,

1096
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:29,719
over expanses of time that while still short and still

1097
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,599
relatively recent, they still dwarf a human lifespan. You know,

1098
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:36,880
it just just wild. And that's what I was thinking about,

1099
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,320
Like how many you know, I mean, madrones still occur

1100
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:43,079
in the Edwards Plateau and in the Austin area. But

1101
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:44,920
what was it like when they were like a dominant

1102
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,199
tree species there? And how long ago was that? Five

1103
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,800
hundred thousand years ago, a million years ago? What else

1104
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,519
grew there that doesn't grow there anymore and can now

1105
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:54,960
only be found in the higher elevations of the Sierra

1106
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:57,920
Madre further south right like we were in we were

1107
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,239
in fucking Hickory forests Man Hickory and Aby's Vaharii for

1108
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,440
us in some of these spots seven thousand foot elevation,

1109
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:10,480
you know, the feet to meters calculation, right, it's tie.

1110
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:13,880
It's not divide by three, it's multiply feet by three

1111
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:17,280
and then move a decimal point over to the left.

1112
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,159
You know, so like six sixty two hundred feet would

1113
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:23,199
be what's three times sixty two one hundred and eighty six,

1114
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:29,199
it'd be eighteen sixty meters. So anyway, so so I

1115
01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:31,840
saw this dayun and I'm just theirding out there. There's

1116
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,199
this one section where they're all over the road. They're

1117
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,639
right on the road. And when I say right on

1118
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:38,920
the road, I mean they're on you know, it's it's

1119
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,280
a road that's basically carved into the side of a mountain.

1120
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,400
You got a canyon one hundred and twenty feet below you,

1121
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,400
and you got you know, however, many hundreds of feet

1122
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,280
of cliff above you. And they're coming out of the

1123
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,400
rock wall. But you know, these these pinnate, kind of

1124
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:54,880
spiny blue green leaves that look like almost like a

1125
01:00:55,159 --> 01:01:00,400
giant plastic you know, coriaceous fur leaves like you know,

1126
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:04,239
like emanating from a central rosette. And these things are

1127
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,559
of course call lessened, so they can get the you know,

1128
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:09,559
they can get a stem on them, they can get

1129
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:12,039
a trunk, and so that was really cool. And then

1130
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:15,000
I saw Helietta growing there too, which is again it's

1131
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:17,239
another rare plant that's really only known from a couple

1132
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,039
of these lomas in South Texas and doesn't get very

1133
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:25,280
far north of the border. But then it's everywhere between

1134
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,119
South Texas and these foothills, basically the foothills of the

1135
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:31,800
Sierra Madre, where you've got all these really cool cliffs

1136
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:33,880
and rock formations. And if you were to look at

1137
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,239
these cliffs, these mountains in a cross section, of course,

1138
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,000
they look from west to east like you know, an

1139
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:44,960
accordioned rug, like an accordioned throw rug. Like imagine a

1140
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:49,840
throw rug, you know, like a ten foot you know,

1141
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:52,519
ten foot by three foot throw rug on a hardwood floor,

1142
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:54,440
and if you push it from one end, you know,

1143
01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:58,760
would it would accordion up up against the wall that

1144
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,320
you pushed you And that's what these it's the word

1145
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,440
for that is a full thrust belt. But that's what

1146
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:06,679
the Sierra Madre look like. And they've just created some

1147
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,320
of the most spectacular wild ass habitat, you know. And

1148
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,519
part of the reason that a gave wasn't discovered for

1149
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:14,719
so long is because it doesn't grow on the ground.

1150
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,199
It grows on these cliffs, you know, in this one

1151
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,239
section of canyon, and most of the population is like

1152
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:23,719
three hundred feet above the ground, you know. So it's

1153
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,639
just it's it's fucking wild man. So anyway, so you

1154
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,960
go up and you start seeing more diversity, and then

1155
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,079
at some point you start seeing pines scattered here and there,

1156
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:37,079
and oaks scattered here and there, and more flora that

1157
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:41,280
starts to resemble the Edwards Plateau west of Austin. You know,

1158
01:02:41,519 --> 01:02:44,039
you start seeing at one point there's a madrone like

1159
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:46,519
right over the road, and it's just there, it is.

1160
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:49,800
And then there's of course, you look across this canyon

1161
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,880
that the road is near, and there's just these epic

1162
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,880
it looks like a staircase because of the way that

1163
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,159
the limestone has eroded, these horizontal strata layers, which are

1164
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,239
now a flip up at seventy degrees you know in

1165
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,679
some places ninety degrees and some almost ninety degrees in

1166
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,119
some places. But and it just gets better from there,

1167
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:12,320
and you start seeing more diversity, and the decatropis eventually

1168
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,840
tapers off. In the guck Nadia now Nahuatlia Hypeluca astraraci.

1169
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,039
That trouble to tell me about that that eventually tapers

1170
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:24,079
off and suddenly you're up at six thousand feet elevation

1171
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,199
and you start seeing just incredible shit. There's pinion pines,

1172
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,960
there's oaks, there's I mean, where we ended up was

1173
01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:36,199
basically like an oak savannah. It was like hilly oaks savannah,

1174
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:39,519
and parts of it looked like northern Inland, northern California,

1175
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:41,480
like some of those oak woodlands that you see where

1176
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,719
they're not super dense, they're open. There's dense parts, but

1177
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:51,119
but there's uh, you know, there's there's these woodlands where

1178
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:54,519
the trees are relatively scattered. It's like a grassland with oaks.

1179
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:56,800
And you know, that was where I saw the calacordas.

1180
01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:59,599
Calacordas is a really cool genus of lily. If you,

1181
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:03,280
you know, you do botany in California or Oregon, you're

1182
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,719
really familiar with them because there's Caloricordas everywhere. They're all

1183
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,800
incredibly beautiful. There's some really rare ones that only grow

1184
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,599
on serpentine, like Abyspoensis or the one that grew tiberon

1185
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:17,199
Ensis that grows in Tiberat and Marin County. But it's

1186
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,480
you know, the epicenter of diversity. Of course, like many

1187
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:24,000
things is in California. For the genus Caloricordus, there's a

1188
01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:28,400
few Mexican ones, and it was Calicordus Marcille that I

1189
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:31,440
saw in those oak woodlands. But you know, it's just

1190
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:34,920
it's it's just wild. It's it. And you're closer to

1191
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:38,519
South Texas than San Antonio, so it's really you know,

1192
01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:42,599
being in those habitats too, especially, I really realized, wow,

1193
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:46,400
Texas is just Mexico. I mean I've always been saying

1194
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,639
that for the last you know, five ten years, but

1195
01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:54,280
Texas is just Mexico Floristically, it's just Mexico. And this human,

1196
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:58,360
this ephemeral human mask that we've put on everything really

1197
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:00,440
fucks things up. You know, you really want to get

1198
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,719
an accurate perception of the land. Look at the biology

1199
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,920
that occurs on it, and you'll see, Yeah, this whole

1200
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:10,360
border region is just it's it's all the same plants

1201
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,639
on either side, and it's similar lineages on either side.

1202
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:15,320
Then you think back what was going on the places,

1203
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,119
seeing what was going on five hundred thousand years ago,

1204
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,159
you know, the same lineages have been in the region

1205
01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:24,079
for millions of years, and they've just had different shifts

1206
01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:26,760
of their distribution as the climate changes. You know, they

1207
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,119
move up in elevation, or they move south, or they

1208
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:32,440
move north or or whatever. And of course this takes,

1209
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:35,639
you know, amounts of time that dwarf a human life span.

1210
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,079
But it's it's again, it's all about zooming out and

1211
01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:42,320
having that that that perspective of something larger than yourself. Okay,

1212
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,679
I'm back. I took a little break. You know, my

1213
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,679
neighbor is getting ballsy. I'm just kidding. He's a sweet

1214
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,159
he's a sweet old man, but he's asking. He just

1215
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:52,119
asked me to cut his grass for him. He let

1216
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:54,320
me plant some shit in his front yard. So I said, fine,

1217
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,400
I see what's going on. You're trying to You're trying

1218
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,960
to make this like a business interaction, and I'm okay

1219
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:02,440
with that. I'll pay you. I'll cut your fucking grass.

1220
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:05,760
I still have an electric lawnmower, avenused in like a

1221
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,719
year and a half, which I got. It's Skill brand, uh,

1222
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:12,760
which is all the tools I use. Skill. I'm trying

1223
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,880
to get them to fucking throw me an extra battery

1224
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,159
or something, some sort of sponsorship because I I amp

1225
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:20,679
them up so much. I just hate fucking with gas.

1226
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,199
It's a pain in the ass. And you don't use

1227
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,679
something that clogs the fucking filter. You don't use something

1228
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:26,880
for a month and a half, you know, you fuck

1229
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,159
up the fuel oil mixtures. It's a pain in the ass.

1230
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,920
And then starting those fucking weed whackers with the with

1231
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:34,360
the you know, especially if you haven't used it in

1232
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,519
a while, and it takes forever and you just out

1233
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:38,599
there sweating like a pig. At least I am, because

1234
01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:41,320
it's ninety eight degrees all the fucking time. I hate

1235
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,000
gas and they're just loud and fucking. The electric shit's

1236
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:47,079
just so much easier. But you know what they say

1237
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:54,679
about electric electrics, pussies, like electric cars are totally away

1238
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:58,639
at the future. I mean, not designing cities to be

1239
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,320
car slums. Is there real way of the future. But

1240
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,159
if you're gonna do that shit anyway, electric cars are

1241
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:06,440
away in the future because internal combustion engines just have

1242
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:08,880
too many you know, there's just too many. It's just

1243
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:11,280
not efficient. A lot of energy is lost in heat.

1244
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:15,840
The electric cars fucking you know, you don't need oil

1245
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,159
to you just got to change a whole bunch of infrastructure.

1246
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:20,960
But you know, you do it once and anyway, but

1247
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:23,840
you know the US will never do that because electric

1248
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:29,480
cars like reading are for pussies, and knowing things that's

1249
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:33,559
for pussies too. Anyway. Okay, so what the fuck was

1250
01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:35,400
I talking about? So my neighbors, So I went back

1251
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,440
and I moticed. I said, yeah, what the fuck, I'll

1252
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,599
cut your grass. You know, it's better than you hire

1253
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:41,679
these guys. I don't know what they charge. Everything's a

1254
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,480
ripoff down here because everybody's on the hustle. They're gonna

1255
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:46,840
charge you eighty bucks to mow your fucking lawn. And

1256
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,360
you're an old guy. He's like an old veteran. You

1257
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,159
know his daughter. I don't know what she did. There's

1258
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,760
they're fucking sweet man, and and they you know, they

1259
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,719
tolerate my overgrown yards, So what the fuck I owe

1260
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,480
it to them anyway. And then this way, I can

1261
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:03,199
leave the entire back half of the yard, which is

1262
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,320
not grass anyway, it's all Solena malagna folium, which is

1263
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:10,199
a pioneer species here, wonderful solenum species. Ask the bumblebees.

1264
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,039
And so I can leave the whole back half and

1265
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:14,559
that's what I told him too. I was like, yeah,

1266
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:16,840
just leave the back half. Actually, I think I offered

1267
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,199
the cut his grass a month ago, and so I

1268
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:20,359
think he's just taking me up on the offer. Anyway,

1269
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,840
So I was hyping up Nuevo Leon and that's where

1270
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:31,039
we'll return to. So I uh, so we're rising up

1271
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:34,279
into the foothills past Decatropis by color, which for some reason,

1272
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:36,479
we don't get in Texas. I'm sure it was here

1273
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,399
at some point in the last five hundred thousand years.

1274
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,760
I don't know what happened to it. Someone should certainly

1275
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,720
be growing it down here in the Rio Grande Valley.

1276
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,920
It's a beautiful member of rutace pinnate leaves rusty, that

1277
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:51,560
fucking rusty orange pubescence. Oh but that's crazy though too,

1278
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,479
because they grow it at UC Berkeley, which is a

1279
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,159
much different climate, and then it also grows here in

1280
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,760
like ball busting heat with GK. Nadia, with Nihualia and

1281
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,640
all the thorn scrub blackbrush. But anyway, I don't know. Anyway,

1282
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,439
it's a it's a really cool species. I saw an

1283
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,479
LCLO biosphere reserved too. See what I'm doing, really doing,

1284
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,800
I'm getting paid by the cartels to hype up northern

1285
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,840
Mexico so that more people go there, and then that

1286
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,199
creates a market for kidnapping and robbing. I'm just kidding.

1287
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:26,640
Just get oh god. But really some of these places

1288
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,840
that we went to and the herpers, I can't reveal

1289
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,439
any of the exact locations because the herpers, my friends

1290
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,399
don't want me to to say, because herpers are vicious.

1291
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 1: Man.

1292
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 2: First off, it's it's like eighty percent mail, and so

1293
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,640
that puts this like competitive you know, because we are apes.

1294
01:09:45,239 --> 01:09:50,159
It puts this this competitive dynamic in it, like male chimps,

1295
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,279
and so you know, they all it gets weird, It

1296
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:55,680
gets really weird, and some people will try to Like

1297
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,239
Kayaway was telling me, people try to gank his spots,

1298
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,199
and it's just about gang his spot. It's like not

1299
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,319
about it's like getting like a bucket list. It's like

1300
01:10:04,399 --> 01:10:07,479
a more aggressive form of birding. It's weird. But they're

1301
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,960
making fun of birders too, because that's something geriatrist. I'm not. Hey,

1302
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:13,439
they'll kill the messenger. I got nothing with birds. I

1303
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,000
like birds, you know, I mean, all this stuff is

1304
01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:19,279
really just trying to find something else to look at.

1305
01:10:19,359 --> 01:10:21,720
But besides the human tumor that makes you want to

1306
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,399
puke and die, which is what I feel most of

1307
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:29,920
the time. Well, he's the negative anyway. So but the

1308
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:31,920
Herper's man, there's some of them, you know, It's it's

1309
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,920
just one of those things. I think that at some

1310
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:37,279
point it becomes for some people, it becomes less about

1311
01:10:37,319 --> 01:10:42,239
conservation and the dopamine rush you get from seeing wonderful

1312
01:10:42,279 --> 01:10:45,319
things in beautiful places and more about like collecting, even

1313
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:49,159
if you're just collecting, uh, you know, photographs and like

1314
01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:52,239
a bucket list, you know, type of I don't know,

1315
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:54,560
I don't get it, but I like seeing fucking snakes

1316
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,239
and cool lizards. So that's what we were there for.

1317
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,239
And if I can inject them with a little bit

1318
01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:01,920
of botanical none Kyle, Kyle's already on a train, you know,

1319
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:03,960
he's already on it's getting he getting it on a train.

1320
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:06,560
He knows what he's looking for. I don't think any

1321
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,239
of them noticed the wonderful KLi chorda species we were

1322
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:13,399
seeing in these grasslands, these oak savannahs. It's sixty five

1323
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,000
hundred feet. God fuck, I can't take it. It was

1324
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:18,479
so nice. It's so fucking nice, and it's like just

1325
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:23,199
these little farming communities, you know, these little fucking farming communities,

1326
01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:26,640
and everyone is chill, like just these fucking you know,

1327
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,920
they're they're maybe not rich, but they're just fucking It's

1328
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:33,880
like Steinbeckian in a way almost. And what's amazing is

1329
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,479
that they haven't fucked their landscape in the ass, right.

1330
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,880
I mean, there's development, there's agriculture. It's not like they're

1331
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:46,840
they have this innate respect for this innate indigenous respect

1332
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,680
in stewardship for nature because they're part indigenous, not like that.

1333
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:54,079
It's just it feels like going back in time, you know.

1334
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:56,279
In some places, I met a donkey I fell in

1335
01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:58,399
love with, fucking such a nice guy. He had some

1336
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,880
weird scabs on his head I felt batter for and

1337
01:12:01,039 --> 01:12:02,880
some the flies were kind of hanging out at but

1338
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,520
other that he was clean. And then I went and

1339
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,119
hung out with him. And some of the donkeys are dicks,

1340
01:12:08,199 --> 01:12:11,880
like they'll they'll freak out, but this guy was super chill.

1341
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:13,600
And I went over there because I wanted to look

1342
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:18,039
at There was circle circocarpus mountain mahogany rose family Rose si,

1343
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:20,800
which is also micro rhizo, which I was surprised to

1344
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,039
know some members of the rose family also have nitrogen

1345
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:27,159
fixing bacteria in the genus Frankie in their roots. When

1346
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:30,279
were they go look at Circocarpus, the Malacoma les was

1347
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:33,279
going off, which is also in the rose family. And

1348
01:12:33,359 --> 01:12:37,560
I just discovered yesterday that this and Malacomis can be

1349
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:43,560
very very variable, very variable you go up the higher elevations.

1350
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,399
It's got white pubescents on the undersides. Might even be

1351
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,279
a different species ovate leaves.

1352
01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:50,239
Speaker 3: Uh.

1353
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: And then the most distinctive thing about it, of course,

1354
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,960
are the flowers. At flowers in spraying, the fruits are

1355
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,600
ready now. The fruits are like this hot pink magenta

1356
01:12:58,399 --> 01:13:03,039
with little orange slice shaped seeds in it. Probably the

1357
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:08,760
birds love it, I would assume. But that's another plant

1358
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,880
that's like got that'd be fucking great, like in West Texas,

1359
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:15,399
even in Austin, you know. And that's someone commented because

1360
01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:17,800
I found Salvia darcii too, which is I'll get into

1361
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,079
that later. But someone had commented on a post Facebook

1362
01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:23,800
is a toilet. I've heard the amount of men. Most

1363
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,319
it's always men that got triggered by the invasion biology

1364
01:13:27,399 --> 01:13:30,279
post I did. Somebody had made the comment that you

1365
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:34,199
know they have a nursery in Austin, and they were like, yeah,

1366
01:13:34,359 --> 01:13:38,399
Salvia darcii because it's common in Texas horticulture. But no one.

1367
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,840
You can't find pictures of it in habitat. You can't

1368
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,439
find herbarium records of it from habitat. There's three on

1369
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:49,279
signet Southwest Biodiversity dot org or sw Biodiversity dot org.

1370
01:13:49,359 --> 01:13:52,479
Great site. There's pictures of it on sign it, but

1371
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,960
they're from a cultivated setting. It's really it's such a

1372
01:13:56,039 --> 01:13:58,760
great species. It gets like three to four feet tall.

1373
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:03,720
It's hummingbird crack, smells like minty strawberries. And I found

1374
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,680
it growing in this limestone wash at sixty two hundred feet.

1375
01:14:08,319 --> 01:14:12,119
The type specimen was reportedly collected from nine thousand feet

1376
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,399
west of Galleiana, which I don't know if I believe that.

1377
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,760
Basically on Sarah Poto c which is the big hill

1378
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:22,560
west of Gallean. It's a wonderful hill. Pinus hertweggii forest,

1379
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,600
a guy of a gentry eye, cool Euphorbia species, and

1380
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,199
the understory all sorts of wonderful things. Garya. You should

1381
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:33,239
go visit it some time. Wonderful cobblestate made a nice

1382
01:14:33,279 --> 01:14:35,560
cobblestone path. It's probably three hundred years old. It goes

1383
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,159
all the way to the top, and then there's cast

1384
01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:40,119
the lay of Bella up top. I think it's it Belle.

1385
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:42,000
It's the Dwarf one whatever that is. They got a

1386
01:14:42,039 --> 01:14:44,279
Doppler system up there. You'll go take pictures in front

1387
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:49,119
of the doppler. Anyway, someone to comment that I stopped.

1388
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,159
I don't offer Salvia Darcie because it's not native, and

1389
01:14:53,359 --> 01:14:56,359
I get where they're coming from. But it is native.

1390
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,199
It's native three hundred miles south. And if it's that

1391
01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:01,720
close to lineage is close enough and it was probably

1392
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,960
here at some point last five hundred thousand years, this

1393
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:06,800
is my rationale, or relatives of it were, or it's

1394
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,479
and so you know, it's close enough that it's it's

1395
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,680
not going to be invasive, and it's I think the

1396
01:15:14,119 --> 01:15:19,640
benefit to the wildlife especially is fucking great. It's close enough,

1397
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,920
it's not going to be invasive. It's basically the lineage

1398
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:26,840
is native to the region. You know, you got to

1399
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,279
again think beyond the span of a human life. Some

1400
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:31,920
strict native people may not want that, and I totally

1401
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,600
respect that. You know, some some native ecotype, but it's

1402
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,159
basically I mean, it was here at some point and

1403
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,399
relatives of it were all these all these again, all

1404
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,800
these plant communities all there are so many affinities with

1405
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,520
Central Texas and West Texas. And that's what I love seeing,

1406
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,720
is like West Texas, Central Texas, the Sierra Madre. They're

1407
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,880
basically you get you stop looking at those stupid geopolitical

1408
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,680
boundaries which are only a few hundred years old, and

1409
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,039
you look at a topographic map or a map of

1410
01:16:05,359 --> 01:16:07,720
the watersheds and you're like, oh, these are the same.

1411
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:12,119
This is the same fucking place, right, And how have

1412
01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:16,039
plant distributions shifted over time? Take that long term approach.

1413
01:16:16,079 --> 01:16:18,359
You know, it was only fourteen thousand years that the

1414
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,560
mamoson in ground slots anyway, So but anyway, but this

1415
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,479
guy was like, well, now that I see where it grows,

1416
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,000
and it's really like, as the crowfly is not that far,

1417
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:30,920
maybe I'll start offering it. And it doesn't behave invasively

1418
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,079
in a garden. It doesn't. It's just a fucking great plant.

1419
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:42,239
It spreads rhizominously. It's probably in cultivation in California. I

1420
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:44,479
guess the guy who discovered it was a brit You

1421
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,359
discovered it in ninety one? Was it Compton? I don't know.

1422
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,680
There's a paper in Q magazine that I've been trying

1423
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,039
to get my hands on. I guess you can create

1424
01:16:52,079 --> 01:16:54,279
a free account on Jaystore. Now they went ahead and

1425
01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:57,279
did that because so many people were just stealing stealing

1426
01:16:57,359 --> 01:17:01,239
papers on jay store anyway, via sy Hub. Did you

1427
01:17:01,319 --> 01:17:04,760
know India banned sy Hub? What the fuck? It's okay

1428
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,319
they get off the hook because I got a friend

1429
01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:08,720
who's in India now and she said that they're they

1430
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,520
basically fund science. There are people in India botanists getting

1431
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,000
paid to write floras. Can you imagine a country as

1432
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,319
stupid as the United States doing that? No way, now

1433
01:17:18,399 --> 01:17:20,600
we're defunding science, buddy. But if you want to go

1434
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,319
into business, god damn, go into business and open up

1435
01:17:24,319 --> 01:17:27,880
a franchise. That's the best thing you can do with

1436
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,199
your life. No offense to anyone that's opened up a franchise.

1437
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:33,119
I'm just saying it's you know, our values in the

1438
01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:36,039
United States here are pretty deranged and twisted. So that's

1439
01:17:36,039 --> 01:17:39,119
why we're creating this, you know, nation of dumb fatties.

1440
01:17:39,239 --> 01:17:42,039
No offense to anybody who's I love the fatties. I'm

1441
01:17:42,079 --> 01:17:48,760
just saying, you know, you eliminate walking in human movement

1442
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,119
from a landscape. That's just what's gonna happen. You know,

1443
01:17:51,279 --> 01:17:53,640
you move to South Texas, you gained thirty pounds. Happened

1444
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,159
to me. But I've been doing a push ups, do

1445
01:17:56,199 --> 01:17:58,760
one hundred push ups today, got the squats and everything.

1446
01:17:58,800 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1447
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:01,199
Speaker 2: The dogs look at me like I'm fucking nuts. They

1448
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:04,439
do that anyway. Jack's been puking a lot in the uh,

1449
01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:07,560
the carpet. I think he's gonna go soon, poor guy.

1450
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,920
I'm gonna be crying all over to fucking play, crying,

1451
01:18:10,199 --> 01:18:11,720
cry all the time. You gotta let it out.

1452
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:12,119
Speaker 1: Crying.

1453
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,239
Speaker 2: Crying is the new shitting? No is it? Shitting is

1454
01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:17,399
the new crying? What was the phrase people used to say?

1455
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,000
I don't know either way. I'm gonna be crying when

1456
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,000
he's gone. I'm gonna get a Jack tattoo. But he

1457
01:18:23,119 --> 01:18:25,760
pukes every now and then, and you'll just find these

1458
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,960
like puddles of like dog bio. We don't need to

1459
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,279
get into it anyway. So, but Salvia darcii was discovered

1460
01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:35,359
in ninety one. The paper that described it came out

1461
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:39,039
in nineteen ninety six. It's been misidentified on I Naturalist

1462
01:18:39,159 --> 01:18:42,439
as Salvias SCHAFNERAI. And when you go to the tax

1463
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,720
on page on I Naturalists and you look at the photos,

1464
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,560
you realize all the photos that are quote research grade

1465
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,760
of Salvia DARCIAI aren't even all of the same species.

1466
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:55,000
There's Salvia fulgens in there. And it turns out Salvia

1467
01:18:55,079 --> 01:18:58,680
schafter eye is a synonym of fulgens. I went down

1468
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,159
the wormhole last night looking at this. I mean, Salvia

1469
01:19:02,319 --> 01:19:05,319
is a huge genus and in Mexico it's hyper diverse

1470
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,039
and there, I mean, it's such a big genus. There

1471
01:19:08,079 --> 01:19:13,399
are entire sections and sub gen eera of this clade,

1472
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,760
and it's a fucking great claide. I got obsessed with

1473
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,000
the Mexican salvia is when I was living in the

1474
01:19:18,199 --> 01:19:21,159
SF Bay Area, and so many of them because they

1475
01:19:21,239 --> 01:19:24,680
grow in these high elevation kind of you know, really

1476
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:29,720
cool temperate forests in Mexico at mid elevations to high

1477
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:34,439
elevations six thousand to ten thousand feet there. They do

1478
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,399
well in the Bay Area climate and so they and

1479
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,640
they go fucking nuts over Selva's out there. I tell

1480
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,600
you it's if. To be a hummingbird in the Bay

1481
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,279
Area has got to be a wonderful thing because you've

1482
01:19:42,279 --> 01:19:46,680
really got your choice of what, you know, what to

1483
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,079
eat for nectar. I mean, howeybirdsy bugs, of course, but

1484
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:53,800
they're also going for nectar, and there are so many

1485
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,159
fucking and then they plant a ton of aloes in

1486
01:19:56,199 --> 01:19:57,960
the Bay area too. None of the aloes that I

1487
01:19:58,039 --> 01:20:02,439
know of are very invasive, which is cool because as photolists,

1488
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,600
which is an allo family, is one of the worst

1489
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,439
invasives ever. I got into it with someone who turned

1490
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,640
out to be a permaculture bro, which is not surprising

1491
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,399
about the s photalist post I put up, because it's

1492
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:17,720
one of the worst invasions I've seen, probably as Photolis fistulosis.

1493
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,680
It's everywhere. It's everywhere in northern Mexico. My friend Carlos

1494
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:23,439
told me about it when I was first down there

1495
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,079
five years ago. He said, we saw some in the

1496
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:30,279
Sierra Madre in some of those uplifted fold thrust belt canyons,

1497
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,479
and he said, this is one of the worst invasive

1498
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,680
plants we have, and I realized, wow, it's not only

1499
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:37,359
one of the worst invasive plants you have. It's one

1500
01:20:37,359 --> 01:20:40,720
of the worst invasive plants. It's invasive in South Africa,

1501
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,560
where there are already members of that family. South Africa's,

1502
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,119
of course, is still three thousand miles away from where

1503
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,760
as Photolis is native in like the Mediterranean region of Spain.

1504
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,439
But anyway, but to be a hummingbird in the Bay

1505
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,760
Area to go back, I'm really leading you all over here.

1506
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,239
The fucking eighty of these bad today. But to be

1507
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:01,800
a hummingbird in the Bay Area has got to be

1508
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,760
a wonderful thing because there are so many different salvia species.

1509
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,720
Annie's annuals that it's which is a cool nursery in Richmond.

1510
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,199
I remember during COVID, they were just fucking punishing people.

1511
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:14,039
It's outdoors, and they were like making you wait because

1512
01:21:14,039 --> 01:21:16,359
it's under new ownership now. They were like making you wait.

1513
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,479
And people were wearing masks outside and shit, you know,

1514
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,680
the Bay Area whatever, it's it's fucking it's like people stuff. Now,

1515
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,000
if you're doing crime, I could understand wearing a mask.

1516
01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:29,159
There was a there was a you know, at one point,

1517
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,159
a Toyota Corolla rolled up with two large men inside

1518
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,399
and to steal my friend Travis's catalytic converter. And they

1519
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:40,520
had masks on, you know, like these little they looked

1520
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,239
like the last people that would be Oh yes, masking.

1521
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,239
Masking is a form of protection for both me and you.

1522
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:50,039
They had masks on the windows rolled down and they

1523
01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:51,800
were it was in Oakland. They were like these big,

1524
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,239
burly dudes and they had those fucking COVID masks on.

1525
01:21:55,399 --> 01:21:58,800
This was like two years post pandemic too, and uh.

1526
01:22:00,119 --> 01:22:02,960
And I was like, oh, those guys are committing crime.

1527
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,640
And I just didn't think anything of it. And then

1528
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,439
I came back outside after I heard the saws all

1529
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:08,000
and I was like, I saw him driving off and

1530
01:22:08,079 --> 01:22:10,479
I was like, yep, that's all right. Fuck that sucks.

1531
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,319
And then I went I told my friend Travers, I'm like, yeah,

1532
01:22:13,359 --> 01:22:15,239
they just jacked your catalytic converter. He had one of

1533
01:22:15,279 --> 01:22:18,359
these like old ass toyotas that was lifted by some

1534
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:19,239
humble weed.

1535
01:22:19,319 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 1: Lord.

1536
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,319
Speaker 2: He's not like, you know, he's not someone that would

1537
01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:23,520
drive a lifted truck because they're pretty fucking stupid. But

1538
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:27,600
unless you're actually using it for, you know, what it's

1539
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,279
made for. But he bought it off some humble weed

1540
01:22:30,359 --> 01:22:33,439
lord he had been working for and he came out

1541
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,479
and he was like fuck fuck And then like this

1542
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,760
rich anarchist kid that lived on the other side of

1543
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,279
the block, this is this is really this is Oakland

1544
01:22:40,359 --> 01:22:42,159
and like the twenty twenties, you know, this is a

1545
01:22:42,199 --> 01:22:46,640
horrible time for for Oakland. Was like, oh, wow, yeah,

1546
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,479
I guess they really must have needed it. And they

1547
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,159
like they were like shaming us for fucking being pissed

1548
01:22:51,159 --> 01:22:53,359
that this this crack edd died. Well I think he

1549
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,159
was a crackhead. He's on some I don't know crack.

1550
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:58,680
He was a little hefty for a cracket but you know,

1551
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,800
you said, yeah, I must have really needed it, Like

1552
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,199
why are you upset that they they like it's going

1553
01:23:06,399 --> 01:23:09,840
to the collective because they really needed that kind of

1554
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:14,920
little converter. They you're kind of like occupying this neighborhood anyway.

1555
01:23:15,159 --> 01:23:18,960
And they by the way, I'm from Arinda, which is

1556
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,520
a rich which is a rich suburb of Oakland. But

1557
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,880
it's always the fucking I mean, I peep a lot

1558
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,920
of people just fit into their It's it's predictable. That's

1559
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,359
what's always depressing. They're just predictable. You meet like the

1560
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:33,560
old fucking old Hankeys. They're gonna be you know, bitter,

1561
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,399
angry Trumpers who've been propaganized by Fox News. You meet

1562
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,279
the fucking you know, twenty four year old day of them.

1563
01:23:39,279 --> 01:23:41,600
It's no offense. If that's any anybody here, I'm not.

1564
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,239
I'm just saying you still be friends. You know, they

1565
01:23:44,279 --> 01:23:46,439
get the septum piercing and the blue hair and are

1566
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,439
going to be ranting about the same fucking talking points

1567
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,920
and buzzwords and it just gets depressing after awhile, can't

1568
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:59,119
you just does anyone just break the stereotype? Fuck? But anyway, yeah, so,

1569
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,680
uh but anyway, So Annie's annuals had a bunch of

1570
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,640
these Salvias species. They had a great fucking inventory of stuff,

1571
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,479
and so I would That's when I became. I fell

1572
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,399
in love with all these Mexican cloud forests, Salvias and Colombian.

1573
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:15,680
There's a lot of higher elevation Central American ones. Where's

1574
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:20,159
Wagniana KARWINSKII all these species, I think those might be Mexican,

1575
01:24:20,279 --> 01:24:22,199
but you know, and if you go to the forests,

1576
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:27,479
the Hespirocyprus, Lusitanica forests, the Mexican cypress, true cypress not

1577
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,640
like taxodium, not like bald cypress. You go to these

1578
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,640
forests at high elevations, you will see a lot of

1579
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:39,239
wonderful Salvia species, my friend purple's reds blues. Some of

1580
01:24:39,319 --> 01:24:43,239
them are fifteen feet tall, forming multi stemmed, you know,

1581
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:47,840
perennial shrubs. Just it's fucking wild. This genus has been

1582
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:52,439
extremely successful in the high elevation tropics, mid to high

1583
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,960
elevation tropics where there are a lot of hummingbirds and

1584
01:24:56,079 --> 01:24:58,840
bumblebees as well. Bumble bees can keep warm at those

1585
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,439
higher elevations where the air is thinner and the night's

1586
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,840
cool off, but you know a lot of other solitary

1587
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,359
bees can't. And so the cool thing about some of

1588
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:09,720
these salvy is if you cut that they've got two statements.

1589
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,319
If you cut these corollas open, you could see this

1590
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,560
really cool lever mechanism that looks like the little bird dipper,

1591
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:22,319
you know, the little bird dipper, paperweight, little desk, novelty chingada,

1592
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,319
you know, you know what I'm talking about. And that's

1593
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:29,359
basically what they do. Is like the point of it is,

1594
01:25:29,359 --> 01:25:31,399
they've got this lever in the back that looks like

1595
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,800
a paddle. This really weird shape to these statements. It's

1596
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,159
not just a simple strand. It's like a strand with

1597
01:25:37,239 --> 01:25:41,000
like a boomerang in the the filament. It's like a

1598
01:25:41,079 --> 01:25:44,640
filament with a boomerang two thirds of the way back.

1599
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,359
And that's triggered by something going in there, like a

1600
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:50,159
hummingbird beak or whatever. And at that point it causes

1601
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:53,760
the stamens, which are pointed up at a forty five

1602
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,680
grand agle, to come down and deposit pollen on the

1603
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:01,000
back of a pollinator's head. And and that's what they do,

1604
01:26:01,319 --> 01:26:04,119
and you can it's a little lever mechanism. It's really cool.

1605
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,920
And it's the hummingbird ones have that especially so that

1606
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,920
when a hummingbird sticks its beak in there to get nectar,

1607
01:26:10,119 --> 01:26:12,159
that it gets a dollop of pollen on its head.

1608
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,239
And then the style is up there too. And I

1609
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:17,840
assume this style probably matures at a different time to

1610
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:22,000
avoid a cross pollination. I think it's like a biffed

1611
01:26:22,079 --> 01:26:27,239
style style and stigma, a biffid stigma, the Biffed Stigmas.

1612
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,439
It's a nice name for a band, you know, Biffed Stigmas.

1613
01:26:34,039 --> 01:26:36,119
And so that that comes and deposits pollen on the

1614
01:26:36,199 --> 01:26:38,720
hummingbird's head. And then that's how these things get paint

1615
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,640
it and it works great for them. And then they smell.

1616
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:45,640
They all smell fucking wonderful. Of course they smell wonderful

1617
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,680
to humans, but to things like deer, and it's they don't.

1618
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:51,800
They're not gonna like that. That's a that's a yucky

1619
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,479
that's a yucky taste for a deer. And I didn't.

1620
01:26:56,119 --> 01:27:00,800
I didn't find Salvia darcii until the second until last day,

1621
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,119
and these were all, you know, we're going to snake spots, right.

1622
01:27:04,119 --> 01:27:07,520
They were looking for Curdalus marulus, which is the tomal

1623
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,600
leap in rock rattlesnake, beautiful little guys uh And and

1624
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,520
they were you know, you can hold those with welding

1625
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,800
glove because they just the fangs aren't big enough. You

1626
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,359
would never do that with a snake that was larger,

1627
01:27:21,359 --> 01:27:24,359
because these are these are tiny. These are tiny snakes, man,

1628
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:28,640
They're tiny rattlesnakes. They're like the size of massasaugas. And

1629
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,720
they were looking for Lampropeltus leonis, which I guess is

1630
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,239
a highly coveted species among herpers. And because of that,

1631
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:38,439
I put all my observations to private. I didn't even

1632
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,880
put them obscured, you know, because I didn't they the

1633
01:27:42,199 --> 01:27:45,239
the herpers were asking me to put it on private.

1634
01:27:45,279 --> 01:27:47,359
I said, fine, you know, this is your guys the trip.

1635
01:27:47,399 --> 01:27:49,279
You just didn't were kind enough to invite me along.

1636
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:53,119
And it was it was fucking cool being down there too,

1637
01:27:53,199 --> 01:27:55,399
because two of the three people I was with work

1638
01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:02,000
at a zoo. Kyle is in organic chemists, so it

1639
01:28:02,119 --> 01:28:04,479
was just, you know, they really knew their shit and

1640
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,279
they're just for the love the love of the uh

1641
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,960
of the animals. So it's a it's a you know,

1642
01:28:11,039 --> 01:28:14,920
it's like going out with like really really knowledgeable mycologists.

1643
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,720
It's the same thing like going out with Alan and Mandy.

1644
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:21,239
It's it's I learn a lot about something I'm interested

1645
01:28:21,319 --> 01:28:24,079
in but not obsessed over like I am with plants.

1646
01:28:25,399 --> 01:28:27,960
But but anyway, so we're driving through, yeah, this canyon,

1647
01:28:28,039 --> 01:28:30,520
and I saw on the other side of this rock

1648
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,680
wall it was a bunch of cobbles that were held

1649
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,239
together by that fencing material in the shape of a

1650
01:28:35,319 --> 01:28:39,039
cube to basically protect the river when it rages, because

1651
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,840
during a hard rain, I'm sure they're dry. Arroyo just

1652
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,960
fucking rages, and the and it was up against the

1653
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,439
wall and the salvia. You know, it was like four

1654
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:49,479
feet tall, but the salvia was so tall. It was

1655
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,760
on the other side in the wash. It was so

1656
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:53,960
tall I could see the flowerheads. And I said, fuck,

1657
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,039
I was already looking for salvia Darcy. It was already

1658
01:28:56,079 --> 01:28:58,119
on my radar. I said, holy fuck, stop the car.

1659
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,560
You know, I got out frothed at the mouth, and shit,

1660
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,239
they're laughing at me, and I just went I jumped

1661
01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:05,640
the fucking thing. I was like, this is fucking salvia Darcy.

1662
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,279
I man, this is so cool to do you have

1663
01:29:07,319 --> 01:29:10,840
any idea like this. There's no photos of this in situ.

1664
01:29:11,159 --> 01:29:13,880
There's no photos of this in habitat. I don't know

1665
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,520
where the type specimen is that Compton collected, if it's

1666
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,439
at Q. If someone is at Q, can you look

1667
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,920
that up for me? Where the fuck? Where is the

1668
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:26,800
type specimen? And how did I mean? I've read the paper.

1669
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,520
You could read it on jstore in that issue of

1670
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:33,880
Q magazine, but there's no there's no like description of habitat,

1671
01:29:34,039 --> 01:29:37,119
and it just you know, the type specimen occurs three

1672
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:41,039
thousand feet higher than this and nine thousand feet you

1673
01:29:41,119 --> 01:29:44,439
know in Nuevo Leone is pretty fucking kai. It's high

1674
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:48,000
and chili and it's it doesn't seem like that. I mean,

1675
01:29:48,039 --> 01:29:50,199
I guess this could grow up there, but nine thousand

1676
01:29:50,239 --> 01:29:53,520
feet is like those Pinus Hartweggii forests with loopin and

1677
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,439
a guy ve a gentry eye, and anyway, I almost

1678
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,159
don't believe it. I think maybe I don't know who

1679
01:29:59,239 --> 01:30:02,399
the fuck knows, But either way, the guy who discovered this,

1680
01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:05,840
we got some a bunch of seeds and introduced introduced

1681
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,600
it to horticulture, and salvia are all self fertile anyway,

1682
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,039
So you get one plant, you're gonna get a ton

1683
01:30:10,079 --> 01:30:12,119
of seed. And so that's how this plant is everywhere

1684
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:15,800
and horticulture and then little known in the wild. But

1685
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,000
apparently this is a new location of it, and there

1686
01:30:19,079 --> 01:30:21,720
are some other observations of it on eye naturalists that

1687
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:26,319
are misidentified as Salvias schafnarai. But Salvia schaffner i reportedly

1688
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,119
is only known from Hidalgo and San Luis Poto Sea,

1689
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:33,319
and you know farther west and south so and it

1690
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,720
has Salvias schafnari has bracts that subtend the flowers. Salvia

1691
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:42,520
darcy i doesn't you know, they're they're different, clearly different species.

1692
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:47,880
So there's a book on Salvi's what is it, uh, Salvius,

1693
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,920
A New World, A World of Salvius. I don't know.

1694
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,640
I had it at some point. It's like a gardening

1695
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,279
book though it's not like a scientific monograph. But it's

1696
01:30:55,279 --> 01:30:57,319
got some good info in it. It's got some good

1697
01:30:57,399 --> 01:31:00,640
dope anyway. But so I said, you stop. So I

1698
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,600
jumped the fucking the fucking rock wall, looked at this thing,

1699
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:07,800
and there's honte Mania if you Maria folio grown there too,

1700
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,239
which is only known from the Big Bend area where

1701
01:31:11,279 --> 01:31:15,159
it grows in Tallis, basically on the river. Mike Easton

1702
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,560
found that population and you have to hike through like

1703
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,920
brutal desert to find it, to get to it, and

1704
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,239
it said only at like two thousand feet elevation. It's

1705
01:31:23,279 --> 01:31:27,880
fucking hot and uh. And it was growing with Berkelia lesciniata,

1706
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:32,520
which of course we get in very common pioneer species

1707
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:39,279
in uh in Texas, like from Junction area West, you know,

1708
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:44,840
loves limestone washes. It's all over, it's all over. Uh.

1709
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:49,279
I mean, it's a really really common plant Upatoya tribe

1710
01:31:49,319 --> 01:31:52,880
this Stevia tribe, and it was growing with what else

1711
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,760
was there? Oh yeah, Chilopsis, which was kind of weird chill.

1712
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:59,640
I mean, Chilopsis is so you know, it occupies a

1713
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:03,079
ride of different habitats from like really hot desert washes

1714
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:05,319
to where we were, which was like six thousand foot

1715
01:32:05,359 --> 01:32:08,680
elevation in these pine forests, and all the pines and

1716
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,359
oaks are draped, and Tilansia oose and the oidies, which

1717
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:16,199
is just fucking It's such a cool such a create

1718
01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:20,600
such a cool habitat, you know, and that Telansia probably

1719
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,520
helps retain a lot of moisture and create this microclimate.

1720
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,920
The oak diversity was just fucking nuts. There were so

1721
01:32:26,039 --> 01:32:29,359
many species of oaks, and I mean oaks can already

1722
01:32:29,359 --> 01:32:32,680
be so phenotypically plastic, you know, the same species can

1723
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,199
have drastically different kinds of leaves. Good luck trying to

1724
01:32:35,239 --> 01:32:38,239
figure out you know, I don't know. It's one of

1725
01:32:38,319 --> 01:32:41,840
those places that you could do research there for fucking

1726
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:47,279
three months, like collecting herbarium specimens, taking photographs, keeping notebooks

1727
01:32:47,359 --> 01:32:51,880
of locations, descriptions of habitat, and you would still be

1728
01:32:52,039 --> 01:32:55,600
scratching the surface. So but anyway, yeah, but I was.

1729
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,199
I was totally excited to see that Salbi. I couldn't

1730
01:32:58,199 --> 01:33:00,239
fucking believe it, man, I was. I didn't think I

1731
01:33:00,279 --> 01:33:03,920
would ever see it and sit to that's nice. One

1732
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,000
of my friends just texted me he heard I was

1733
01:33:06,039 --> 01:33:08,319
gonna be in Chicago. He said, hey, you filthy prick,

1734
01:33:08,399 --> 01:33:10,720
are you gonna come see me when when you get

1735
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:13,359
in town. He's nice, you know, he thought. I like

1736
01:33:13,399 --> 01:33:14,760
it when he talks to me. He comes with some

1737
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,399
really creative names to call me. It's you know, we

1738
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,319
known each other a long time. He's living on SSI

1739
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,840
in a fucking nursing home, even though he's like forty four.

1740
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:25,720
I don't know what his deal is. He can't function

1741
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,439
in a real world. You know. He's a writer and

1742
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,000
uh and I know him from I knew him from

1743
01:33:31,039 --> 01:33:34,039
military school. We were both thrown in military school together.

1744
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:35,800
You know, some of the kids ended up there by

1745
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:38,720
the courts. I got kicked out, I got asked not

1746
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,600
to come back after two years, which I think that's

1747
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:44,439
I'm proud of that, because it's a fucking reform school.

1748
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,439
If you can find a way. It's like getting asked

1749
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:51,000
not to come back to jail. It's like like jail

1750
01:33:51,159 --> 01:33:54,159
is already for bad kids. If you can find a

1751
01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:56,000
way to be so bad that they won't let you

1752
01:33:56,119 --> 01:34:01,119
back into the jail, now you really, you know anyway, Yeah,

1753
01:34:01,159 --> 01:34:02,720
so I'm gonna go. I'm gonna visit when he and

1754
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,279
she's on the north side. He's living in a fucking

1755
01:34:05,319 --> 01:34:10,039
nursing homes andwhere on the north side. It's all you

1756
01:34:10,119 --> 01:34:13,000
never know how he's doing. Sometimes he's good, sometimes he's rough.

1757
01:34:13,319 --> 01:34:15,119
I think he's generally kind of rough, but he's had

1758
01:34:15,119 --> 01:34:19,479
a hard life anyway. Uh yeah, So anyway, I'm the

1759
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:22,239
one of the first spots going back. We're getting away

1760
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:27,000
from Salviatarcia here, going back. Once we finally ascended the mountains,

1761
01:34:27,039 --> 01:34:32,560
past the staircases of limestone that are the inverted stratigraphic

1762
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:38,520
layers of the Sierra Madre Oriental, we ended up. We're

1763
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,439
at six thousand feet and we're just through these driving

1764
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:45,840
through these farming communities and and we you know, you

1765
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,920
start seeing a lot of it's like a mixture of

1766
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:53,960
West Texas flora higher elevation West Texas flora. Nice cool breeze,

1767
01:34:54,039 --> 01:34:57,239
blowing temperatures are perfect. Sun's a little intense because you're

1768
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,439
you know, at the mid elevations, like eighteen hundre two

1769
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:04,600
thousand meters and we stopped at some kind of rundown farmhouse.

1770
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,399
It was like someone's property and and uh, the guy,

1771
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,560
the property owner rolled up on us three days later,

1772
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:12,039
and it's like anywhere in I school. He's just like,

1773
01:35:12,039 --> 01:35:15,880
what are you doing? Super nice, not freaked out. Explained

1774
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,079
to him, we're looking for snakes. I got a big camera. Man,

1775
01:35:18,119 --> 01:35:21,479
it's obvious, like what we're doing. And he's like, oh, okay, cool,

1776
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,600
you know, just in Spanish, and he's okay, cool, Yeah,

1777
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,560
I just you know, just curious. And he said there's

1778
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:27,239
a lot of snakes here, and we're like, yeah, you know,

1779
01:35:27,319 --> 01:35:29,279
we like to photograph them. And I told him I'm

1780
01:35:29,279 --> 01:35:33,159
a botanist. It's their thing. Really nice guy didn't tell

1781
01:35:33,239 --> 01:35:37,159
us to get off whatever, and and yeah it was chill.

1782
01:35:37,239 --> 01:35:39,000
It was fucking chill. But it's funny because these are

1783
01:35:39,079 --> 01:35:41,920
like relatively degraded areas. They're not places I would be

1784
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,880
going to look for plants necessarily, but I still find

1785
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,279
a lot of great shit there. And this was just

1786
01:35:46,359 --> 01:35:49,159
a it was a cleared area for a house and

1787
01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:55,520
a small pasture and then the the the monte, the scrubland,

1788
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:59,840
pinion woodland was you know, just just yonder. It was

1789
01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:01,399
a right on the edge of the property, and I

1790
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:05,680
saw Salvia cama driorites. Speaking of salvias, which is again

1791
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,439
I think it only occurs in the United States in

1792
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,840
the Chizos Mountains. But it's a fucking pioneer species. I

1793
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:14,520
did not know that it's a pioneer species. It is common,

1794
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:19,000
it's everywhere. It's got, you know, small blue ovate leaves.

1795
01:36:19,079 --> 01:36:23,000
They smell fucking delightful opposite, of course, because it's a salvia.

1796
01:36:23,039 --> 01:36:25,359
It's not alternate leaves, its opposite. You always remember that

1797
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:29,520
when you're so and these little blue flowers. And it's

1798
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:34,760
actually planted somewhat commonly, I mean among the small group

1799
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,560
of native plant people that live in West Texas. I

1800
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,880
think it's planted in the Austin area too, would probably

1801
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:43,159
do great there. It likes limestone, it can take the heat.

1802
01:36:45,039 --> 01:36:47,359
I've got it in West Texas, and it grows like

1803
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:51,720
a fucking weed once it's established and spreads rhizominously, gets

1804
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,600
about eighteen inches tall if that maybe like twelve inches

1805
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:56,600
tall with the leaves, but then with escape with these

1806
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,880
beautiful blue, small blue salvia flowers on it gets a

1807
01:37:00,039 --> 01:37:02,239
ten inches tall and it you know, you could propagate

1808
01:37:02,279 --> 01:37:04,680
it by cutting really easily. There's definitely something that should

1809
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:08,079
be planted more. You know. I just hope that there's

1810
01:37:08,079 --> 01:37:10,560
someday I can roll into like a bleakue strip mall

1811
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,319
in the Austin or San Antonio area and see plants

1812
01:37:13,359 --> 01:37:16,840
that I know from habitat, from these wonderful places that

1813
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,399
I drink up like a tall glass of medicine. That

1814
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,800
will be the antidote for when I'm driving through the

1815
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:28,840
ugly shitholes, the ugly commercial automobile slum shitholes that constitute

1816
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:31,399
most of human development in places like Texas and many

1817
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:36,520
other places in the United States. So you know, it'll

1818
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:38,439
ease the pain a little bit of having to be there,

1819
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:40,800
because really I start I start dying. I start dying

1820
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:44,319
on the inside, having you know, contractions of my heart.

1821
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:48,319
I start getting heart palpitations, I start getting you know,

1822
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,760
my blood pressure raises. I'm angry. I just hate there's

1823
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:53,680
someone trying to sell me some shit I don't want.

1824
01:37:54,039 --> 01:37:57,000
At every turn, there's you know, ambulance chasers telling me

1825
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,560
they're going to make me millions if I get in

1826
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:03,760
a car. I mean, it's just it's a horrible, horrible place.

1827
01:38:04,359 --> 01:38:10,800
It's just the lowest common denominator attributes of humanity, just

1828
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:15,000
so much wasted potential in these places. It's just the

1829
01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:17,520
consumer farm. Okay, let's move on. I won't. I'll probably

1830
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:20,079
mention another nineteen times before the podcast is over, but

1831
01:38:20,199 --> 01:38:22,800
my fucking hate for these But it's the death of art,

1832
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,640
the death of biology, the death of ecology, the death

1833
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,600
of one. Okay, anyway, sorry, So we're at this clear

1834
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:32,000
pasture with this kind of rundown house. There's an Opunthia

1835
01:38:32,079 --> 01:38:34,880
species that I never bothered identifying, but it's fucking beautiful

1836
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:38,279
and it's got these big red fruits on it, and

1837
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,600
and what else did we have there? There was? Yeah,

1838
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,039
that salvy was everywhere. There's scrub oaks. I think it

1839
01:38:45,119 --> 01:38:50,399
was Corcus striatula striatula, which kind of looks like Corcus moriana,

1840
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:53,239
which is another like scrub oak. The you know, two

1841
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:56,479
to four feet well six feet in some cases that

1842
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:01,159
you encounter in West Texas. Pubesten's on the leaves and

1843
01:39:01,319 --> 01:39:05,680
the acorns on this Corcus striatula have extriations on them.

1844
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:07,800
Very small little acorns. I wonder if you can eat

1845
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,680
them like some of those scrub oaks have, you know,

1846
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,640
very delicious, edible acorns that don't even need to be treated.

1847
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:17,159
I know Qurcus vaccinioides or was it Vexcina foia, whatever

1848
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:20,319
the one is that grows in the mountains of northern California,

1849
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:22,560
like the Klamath Mountains, et cetera. Is you can just

1850
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,600
eat those right off the right, off the tree or

1851
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:28,640
the bush rather. But I was stoked to see that

1852
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:30,880
salva everywhere. That was really surprising. Again, I didn't know

1853
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,520
it was a pioneer species. It's everywhere. It was fucking

1854
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,960
everywhere at these elevations. And another common plant that we

1855
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:39,680
encountered a lot which also had opposite leaves, but was

1856
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,039
in the Joe pieweed tribe, the Stevia tribe the jupatore

1857
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:47,279
was Agoratum corumbosum, which another be another great candidate for

1858
01:39:47,359 --> 01:39:52,039
Texas native plant horticulture. It's it's got it looks like

1859
01:39:52,079 --> 01:39:56,439
a conoclinium, kind of like purple flowers, very very common,

1860
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,920
very abundant. There was berlandierra like rotta. There the chocolate daisy,

1861
01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:03,880
which is another common it's related to Sylphium that was

1862
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:07,720
all over. Dichondra argentea, the little podifoot whatever that I

1863
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,560
think is the name, which is stupid common. It's a

1864
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,199
pody foot. It looks like a body foot. It's like

1865
01:40:12,279 --> 01:40:17,640
a groundcover convolvulece member morning glory family member. And then

1866
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:22,560
there was a really cool member of the Oroban case,

1867
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,880
the paintbrush family that I saw fucking everywhere, and this

1868
01:40:26,199 --> 01:40:28,920
was really cool. This was cool because you can tell

1869
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:33,039
some of those hemi parasitic members of the paintbrush family

1870
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:36,279
Oroban case. I think everything in oroban case, except for

1871
01:40:36,399 --> 01:40:38,520
some of the more basal genera which is not very

1872
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:42,479
men's like two or three, are parasitic. They're either hemi parasitic,

1873
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,840
which means they produce chlorophyll, but they also have historial

1874
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,600
roots hostorial roots knights that tap in to their host

1875
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:53,319
plant or their hollow parasites, meaning they don't produce any

1876
01:40:53,359 --> 01:40:56,920
chlorophyll all their obligate parasitic species. But there was this plant,

1877
01:40:57,079 --> 01:41:02,199
Simeria scabra s. E. Y ri a tiny yellow flowers.

1878
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:05,800
It almost looks like like an Hermannia from Malvasi. The

1879
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:08,319
flowers do like they're probably I don't know, I would

1880
01:41:08,319 --> 01:41:12,600
say a centimeter long, but you know, it's very obviously

1881
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:17,319
not malvasi. The leaves are kind of lanceolate, linear, fascicled,

1882
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:22,479
and it's got this multi stem, you know, herbaceous perennial

1883
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:27,319
to maybe two feet tall. And when you look at

1884
01:41:27,399 --> 01:41:29,680
the the flowers are yellow, the kalses are red. When

1885
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:31,720
you look at the foliage, you realize, wow, this looks

1886
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:35,880
like Pendicularis or paintbrush or both of which are genera

1887
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:42,039
and orobanc case that produce very red foliage anthocyanin rich foliage.

1888
01:41:42,039 --> 01:41:44,840
And of this, it turns out, of course, is a

1889
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:48,560
synapomorphy or a trait. I don't know if it's a snapmorph,

1890
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,359
if it's a trait that you commonly encounter in the

1891
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:55,119
paintbrush family. And it's directly tied to the parasitism, the

1892
01:41:55,279 --> 01:41:58,560
parasitism of the family and the fact that these plants, well,

1893
01:41:59,039 --> 01:42:03,880
these genera at least like Pendicularis and Castillaa and Symeria,

1894
01:42:04,119 --> 01:42:07,760
while they're photosynthetic and they produce chlorophyll, they're not a

1895
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:11,159
chlorophylis lacking chlorophyll. They're photosynthetic, they can produce some of

1896
01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:14,760
their own chlorophyl. They're partially autotrophic. It's because of that

1897
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:19,680
parasitism that they're able to produce these red pigments which

1898
01:42:20,319 --> 01:42:23,840
grant them. You know, these anthocyanins can be expensive to produce,

1899
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:27,479
but when you're stealing and tapped into a host plan anyway,

1900
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:29,600
it's not that big of a deal. It doesn't take

1901
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:34,079
that much. And so it's a direct trait of their parasitism.

1902
01:42:34,199 --> 01:42:38,399
So sometimes you know, and there's other there's other lineages

1903
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:39,880
that kind of do this, Like there's some members of

1904
01:42:40,039 --> 01:42:47,640
there's some partially parasitic, partially mycoheterotrophic members of gentianac that

1905
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,199
I believe do this as well, that you'll encounter in

1906
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:55,159
the neotropics at higher elevations. Being hemi parasitic means that

1907
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:59,399
you're acquiring a surplus of water and minerals, quote for

1908
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:03,079
free from your host. Right, so you face a different

1909
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:06,159
set of constraints. It's not water and minerals, it's now

1910
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:08,880
it's just carbon you can't get you're not getting carbon

1911
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:11,680
from your host. Some of these hemi parasites are not

1912
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:13,920
or not enough, so the limiting factor is no longer

1913
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,520
water and minerals. But it's carbon, and so the plant

1914
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:20,640
needs carbon to build its structures, which it gets through photosynthesis.

1915
01:43:21,239 --> 01:43:24,479
So it's it's to build it to make its own food.

1916
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,880
It's getting that carbon through photosynthesis. The water and minerals

1917
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,560
aren't a problem. And because you're using a hostorial route

1918
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,880
to tap into a host, you don't need to build

1919
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:35,239
an extensive root system. But you're limited in carbon, and

1920
01:43:35,319 --> 01:43:39,800
so what do you do? I mean, the chlorophyll, you know,

1921
01:43:40,039 --> 01:43:43,760
is obviously how you're getting the carbon, but you the

1922
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:47,279
chlorophyll has constraints too, And if you're growing in somewhat

1923
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:51,960
exposed places like many casteleia are, you've got to use

1924
01:43:52,319 --> 01:43:54,840
a sunscreen. You've got to use some sort of sunscreen

1925
01:43:55,359 --> 01:43:58,880
to make the car the photosynthesis more efficient than prevent

1926
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:02,920
the chlorophyll from the grating from sunburn, et cetera. And

1927
01:44:03,079 --> 01:44:05,640
that is where the red pigments come in. Because the

1928
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:09,560
red pigments are basically plant sunscreen. They're stress pigments, right.

1929
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:12,279
They can also protect against cold, and some species like

1930
01:44:12,319 --> 01:44:16,199
Cryptomarria japonica or other conifers Junipers virginiana does that as well.

1931
01:44:16,279 --> 01:44:21,159
Eastern red cedar produces anthocyoni pigments. You know, if you look,

1932
01:44:21,239 --> 01:44:23,600
Eastern red seed are very common. It's it's a ruteral

1933
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,880
plant in in the Midwest and in parts of the

1934
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,960
East coast. And if you look at them in winter

1935
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:33,600
and other members of cooper Sacy as well, you'll see

1936
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:35,920
they turn kind of an orangeish red. Why is that?

1937
01:44:36,079 --> 01:44:39,960
So those red pigments help protect against both sunburn and

1938
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:43,199
freeze damage. There's stress pigments. They're protective pigments, and so

1939
01:44:43,319 --> 01:44:47,279
that's why. And but more so they can be metabolically

1940
01:44:47,279 --> 01:44:50,239
expensive to make, and so that's why you know you're

1941
01:44:50,279 --> 01:44:55,199
gonna produce those to protect the nitrogen rich chlorophyll beneath

1942
01:44:56,279 --> 01:45:00,880
from photo inhibition, from sunburn, protected from the grade. And

1943
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,119
so that's what these plants are doing. And because they're

1944
01:45:03,159 --> 01:45:06,319
not limited in how much they can produce, because again

1945
01:45:06,319 --> 01:45:09,399
they're stealing it from their host plant. Like paintbrush, castallias

1946
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:17,039
technical usually parasitizes grasses, particular parasitize shrubs. What is Samaria

1947
01:45:17,079 --> 01:45:22,960
parasitize Sameria probably you know hemi parasitizes grasses or nearby shrubs.

1948
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,680
I didn't really see any large shrubs growing around it.

1949
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,800
But because you're parasitizing, you could just create these these

1950
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:32,359
anthocionin pigments. No big deal. It's it's not as you're

1951
01:45:32,399 --> 01:45:35,119
not as limited as a non parasitic plant. And so

1952
01:45:35,319 --> 01:45:38,079
that's why a lot of them can flush red. It's

1953
01:45:38,119 --> 01:45:41,039
again it's protection for the chlorophyll, and it makes them

1954
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:47,960
much more photosynthetically efficient. And so that's a good giveaway

1955
01:45:48,079 --> 01:45:49,960
that a plant is hemi parasitic. If it's got the

1956
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,079
flower structure of ooral bank case and it's got this ripe,

1957
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:56,760
you can automatically not okay, that's probably oorbank case, I

1958
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,680
mean the flower structure alone, but definitely it's it's interesting

1959
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:01,800
to know that trade paintbrush does the same thing. Look

1960
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:04,760
at castilla, look a look at paintbrush. They got the

1961
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:10,039
same fucking red tones to the pigment. But in paintbrush again,

1962
01:46:10,159 --> 01:46:13,000
some of those red bracts are also acting as attracted

1963
01:46:13,039 --> 01:46:15,840
It's like red bracts at subten the flowers. They're also

1964
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:20,840
acting as as flags for pollinators like hummingbirds and butterflies

1965
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:24,680
to make those those flowers more efficient, but not efficient,

1966
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:29,199
more conspicuous. Excuse me, So anyway, after this, after this, uh,

1967
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:32,840
this guy's this gentleman's land that we were looking for

1968
01:46:33,239 --> 01:46:36,399
stuff on just flipping tin flipping checks. It's sheets of

1969
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:41,640
sheet metal and blogs and other stuff looking for snacks.

1970
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:44,640
We didn't find any there. We went to another spot

1971
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:47,600
that was kind of along this cutty road that paralleled

1972
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:52,600
a rock out cropping for a good length of it,

1973
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:57,079
and I saw Mirandiella, a species of Mirandiella vine, or

1974
01:46:57,159 --> 01:46:59,039
was it I think it was Mirandia. Actually it was

1975
01:46:59,119 --> 01:47:03,439
a fucking stunner though, the big red, big purple flowers,

1976
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:05,640
you know, Morandiella. Of course we get in Texas. The

1977
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:08,520
snap drag advibe is the common name for it. It's

1978
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,520
actually a great fucking vine. This was. This was large though.

1979
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:15,079
This was a large flowered vine growing directly out of

1980
01:47:15,159 --> 01:47:19,000
a crack in a limestone cliff face. And this whole

1981
01:47:19,279 --> 01:47:21,600
rock out cropping was cool. It was covered in there

1982
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,560
was a ringium, lounge of folium relative of rattlesnake master

1983
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,279
looks like, you know, it looks like a bromeliad almost,

1984
01:47:27,359 --> 01:47:28,880
and then it's got a scape coming up from it,

1985
01:47:29,039 --> 01:47:31,720
leave long you know, rosettes of long leaves. It's like

1986
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:36,000
a bromeliad or a kind of floppy a gave companula

1987
01:47:36,119 --> 01:47:40,880
or Tundafolia was abundant. There penstemen species that the God

1988
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:43,399
still not sure I couldn't find it. It'll go through

1989
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:45,560
the The way I identify a lot of this stuff

1990
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:48,640
is going through the checklist, the Nueva aon checklist. I'll

1991
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:52,439
put a link in this podcast episode description to a

1992
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:55,720
Google Drive link to the floor of Nuevo aon checklist.

1993
01:47:56,039 --> 01:47:58,039
The taxonomy is bad on some of it, like OORL

1994
01:47:58,079 --> 01:48:01,880
bank Casey. You know that that's got way less species

1995
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:05,920
in this checklist because it wasn't the checkl is from

1996
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:07,159
like two thousand and five, so a lot of that

1997
01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:09,560
shit was in scrofulary ac. It hadn't been placed in

1998
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:12,359
orbit in cac yet. There's you gotta kind of, you know,

1999
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:16,199
genera names are different. You gotta kinda you won't be

2000
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:18,760
able to find things as easily. You have to kind

2001
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:23,319
of remind yourself what the old family they were grouped

2002
01:48:23,319 --> 01:48:25,399
in is. But it's still helpful. So I would go

2003
01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:28,199
through this and I know something as a family or genus,

2004
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:30,760
and I would just have to check everything. And that's

2005
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:33,199
kind of what I prefer. I prefer using checklists because

2006
01:48:33,239 --> 01:48:36,600
some floras are just fucking garbage and They're just a headache.

2007
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:40,199
They're a headache to sort through because what is a flora?

2008
01:48:40,319 --> 01:48:42,560
It doesn't give you a description of habitat I mean

2009
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:44,560
some do, some really good ones do. It doesn't give

2010
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,640
you description of where this thing grows, the elevations that's at.

2011
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:53,359
It just tells you these whatever whatever descriptive factor is

2012
01:48:53,399 --> 01:48:56,439
that someone who's working in an iparium and may not

2013
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,640
get out much and it's only looking at or barium

2014
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:01,520
specimens and doesn't know the habit tet. It's just based

2015
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:03,720
on what they are able to tell from characters they're

2016
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,079
able to see in the herbarium. So it's not always helpful.

2017
01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:11,640
And sometimes the traits are you know, not in season,

2018
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:14,600
they're phenologically discordant. When you're out there in the field

2019
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:17,159
looking at it, like you need to reference seed size

2020
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:21,439
or or whatever. You'll know something's an areagonum, but it's

2021
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:23,279
you have to be able to have flowers on you

2022
01:49:23,359 --> 01:49:26,000
don't have flowers on it. You know the and the

2023
01:49:26,279 --> 01:49:29,119
you know the leaves will be you know, it'll say

2024
01:49:29,159 --> 01:49:32,399
one to five one to five centimeters and then the

2025
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:34,800
next species that it's closely related to is like two

2026
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:38,319
to six centimeters. Fucking phone call sorry, so you know

2027
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:41,439
it'll it'll say it's you get my point. I mentioned

2028
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:45,239
this before the floor, A dichotomist key is not always

2029
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:48,720
the most helpful. The checklist is helpful. And then going

2030
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:51,279
through if you know something's already in a genus or family,

2031
01:49:51,359 --> 01:49:54,680
which again this is when knowing systematics and plant textonomy

2032
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:56,520
come in and being familiar with the traits of a

2033
01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:58,640
genus or family, and then you can just go through

2034
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:01,640
and check. You know, some checklists. What checklist was I

2035
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:06,399
using that had just had elevation descriptions in it, like

2036
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:09,239
it was a checklist and it gave you know, arranged

2037
01:50:09,279 --> 01:50:12,000
by family and then genus, and then it would describe,

2038
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:16,000
you know, what elevations something occurred at. Was it Costa Rica?

2039
01:50:16,039 --> 01:50:18,319
I think it was Costa Rica. That was fucking great.

2040
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:21,920
And it's not always right with the elevations. There's you know,

2041
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:25,399
sometimes it's wrong. You'll find something growing higher or lower

2042
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:29,760
then it's listed in the in the checklist, but Jesus

2043
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:32,880
Christ it was, you know, it really helps narrow it down.

2044
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:35,840
So a checklists all the way, and they're much easier

2045
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:38,119
to reference, and they're shorter too. You get a PDF

2046
01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:40,279
of a checklist on your phone or something, and then

2047
01:50:40,319 --> 01:50:41,840
you'll you know, again, you might have to go cross

2048
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:44,119
reference it with or barium collections on a website or

2049
01:50:44,159 --> 01:50:47,560
something and see. But it's got it so much easier

2050
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:49,920
than using floras. Man, they could just be a fucking

2051
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,560
pain in the ass, because again, it's all it depends

2052
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:55,680
on the flora. Maybe it's written by some desk jockey

2053
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:57,720
that doesn't get out much, no offense to them. Sometimes

2054
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:01,359
it's written by someone who's very has an intimate familiarity

2055
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:03,800
with the plants of a region and the habitats that

2056
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,920
they occur in. You know, you get the ladder, you're

2057
01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:10,840
that's great, You get the former, You're fucked. Okay. So anyway,

2058
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:13,520
so we're going along this road cut seeing a bunch

2059
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:16,239
of interesting shit and I'm just I'm just waiting. I'm

2060
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:17,960
just like, god, I just need the look of it.

2061
01:51:18,039 --> 01:51:19,640
We're gone by it and try I can't get out

2062
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:21,840
the car and I'm like, ah, fuck, I need to

2063
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:25,119
see it. And then we finally park in this pine

2064
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:28,920
and oak forest. It was just so beautiful. Rich Duff.

2065
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:32,399
On the ground, there's fucking mushrooms everywhere. The fungal diversity

2066
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:35,279
here is insane. Wish I had Alan and Mandy with me.

2067
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:41,319
I just there was hypomyces everywhere. That parasitic mushroom. What

2068
01:51:41,399 --> 01:51:43,319
is that is it? Is it the lobster mushroom? Ushold?

2069
01:51:43,319 --> 01:51:46,079
I should notice I think it is a lobster mushroom. Yeah, yeah,

2070
01:51:46,119 --> 01:51:51,079
it is. It's it's a fungus that parasitizes Russolas or Lactarius,

2071
01:51:51,159 --> 01:51:53,319
both of which are micro rhyzels. So because of these

2072
01:51:53,399 --> 01:51:57,560
pines and oaks, all of which are draped in telanzioos

2073
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:01,800
and theoides and covered in cool bromeliad other talanzias, and

2074
01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:06,920
and you know they were telansi it was nets higher up,

2075
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:10,199
but on the trunks they were covered in pleopeltis, and

2076
01:52:11,039 --> 01:52:15,279
you know the fern and uh and and other like

2077
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:20,119
rosette forming Talanzia species. And so I mean, just looking

2078
01:52:20,119 --> 01:52:23,319
at the mushrooms alone, I was going nuts. It was God,

2079
01:52:23,399 --> 01:52:27,920
it was fucking great. There was Chaptalia texano there, which

2080
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:31,600
is it's a mutissioid composite, so subfamily mutissioid e. It's

2081
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:37,880
got the different shaped floor. It corollas mostly South American clay,

2082
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:41,039
but of course it's we Chaptalia trixis Acordia. Those are

2083
01:52:41,039 --> 01:52:44,640
the members that we tend to get in Texas in

2084
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:49,199
different places and also throughout the Southwest into California. Lots

2085
01:52:49,239 --> 01:52:53,399
of cool accordias. And it was a really cool accordia.

2086
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:56,840
And what is the time where people do the shove

2087
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:59,279
crystals up their asks? What is it town? Oh Hi? Yeah,

2088
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:03,239
there's a lot of cool accordios in the woodlands around Ohi.

2089
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:07,279
I remember. It's where the the you know, the ladies

2090
01:53:07,319 --> 01:53:10,560
were the wide brimmed hats and they people do herbal

2091
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:13,760
colonics and stuff, you know, and it's like fucking five

2092
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:16,319
thousand dollars to rent the room the size of a closet.

2093
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:18,560
What is it? What is OHI? What do I do

2094
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:20,920
over there? They got stuff over there. You can get

2095
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:23,720
like a nine dollars latte and a fucking get slapped

2096
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:26,479
around by someone where with the oak leaves, and you know,

2097
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:28,640
you pay them three hundred dollars. They slap you around,

2098
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:31,119
They do some chiatzu on your back and stick a

2099
01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:33,279
crystal up your ass and slap you around, send you

2100
01:53:33,359 --> 01:53:34,840
on your way out the door. Ah, there you go.

2101
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:37,520
Your chakra's fucking fine for the next two weeks. Come

2102
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:45,560
back in two weeks, I'll charge you double fucking wow. Yeah,

2103
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:49,760
I think really cool. It's fucking great. I love a high.

2104
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:55,199
I think amitting All right, Uh well, let's see why

2105
01:53:55,239 --> 01:53:57,079
I'm going through my fungal photos. Oh, I had this

2106
01:53:57,319 --> 01:53:59,479
nice little bull eat. I found a cute little bully.

2107
01:54:00,079 --> 01:54:02,800
I took a little sliver of it, dried it out,

2108
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:07,760
and I was using the Alan Rockefeller method of dehydrating specimens.

2109
01:54:08,279 --> 01:54:09,600
You know, you put them on the dash with the

2110
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:14,600
defrosters blowing, which makes the fucking it's it's just makes

2111
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:17,399
it ridiculously hot. But you know that's okay. You need

2112
01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:20,720
that airflow and this bully. Yeah, I took a specimen.

2113
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:23,920
I'm gonna send it to the FUNDUS because they've got

2114
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:25,960
that guy. Where's that guy, he's in Ohio. You could

2115
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,920
send him mushrooms that are connected to an EYG naturalist

2116
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:32,319
observation and he'll sequence the DNA and so perhaps we

2117
01:54:32,439 --> 01:54:34,880
might have a new species. I don't know, because a

2118
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:38,319
lot of stuff is undescribed still, or it's just lumped

2119
01:54:38,359 --> 01:54:43,279
in with European species and the same genus because it's

2120
01:54:43,359 --> 01:54:46,039
just that's assumed what it is. And again with you're

2121
01:54:46,079 --> 01:54:50,600
somewhat limited, and how how much you can examine the

2122
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:53,199
fruit of a fungus, which is the mushroom, you know,

2123
01:54:53,359 --> 01:54:56,960
So there's the characteristics. There might be drastic differences in

2124
01:54:57,079 --> 01:55:00,279
DNA or stark differences in DNA sequences, but you can't

2125
01:55:00,279 --> 01:55:03,640
really see in the fruiting bodies, or you can somewhat

2126
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:08,119
see in the fruiting bodies, but they're subtle. Again, my my,

2127
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:13,960
after seeing some plants and seeing just different ecotypes different,

2128
01:55:15,319 --> 01:55:18,560
I've really loosened up my idea of what a species is.

2129
01:55:19,399 --> 01:55:21,560
And so that's why I can't even take it seriously

2130
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:23,920
in some cases. And I just you know, I just

2131
01:55:24,039 --> 01:55:26,039
get something down to genus if I'm out there in

2132
01:55:26,079 --> 01:55:28,479
the field identifying stuff for a video or some because

2133
01:55:28,479 --> 01:55:35,079
there's just you know, there's there's so much variation, and

2134
01:55:35,239 --> 01:55:40,119
every different habitat is sculpting via natural selection a different

2135
01:55:40,199 --> 01:55:44,000
ecotype or potentially a different species. So who knows, man,

2136
01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:47,399
it's you know, it could be cryptic species. There could anyway.

2137
01:55:48,319 --> 01:55:50,680
And in this woodland, once you got outside of the

2138
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:53,159
woodland in the cleared areas, there was a gave Montana

2139
01:55:53,199 --> 01:55:56,720
everywhere too, which is a great fucking species. Just so beautiful. Ah,

2140
01:55:57,439 --> 01:56:03,760
the waxy imprints left by the prior round of leaves,

2141
01:56:04,079 --> 01:56:06,760
you know, on the underside of these massive two foot

2142
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:10,039
long foot wide leaf blades. You know that just that

2143
01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:15,560
waxy toothed margin that's left is the they're all coming

2144
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:18,399
out of bud. You know. I'd love to see a

2145
01:56:18,479 --> 01:56:20,640
time lapse photo of and agave growing. It's got to

2146
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:22,520
be beautiful the way that the leaves. I wonder if

2147
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:25,199
they come out in a spiral or what like the

2148
01:56:25,279 --> 01:56:29,199
way that they unfurl from bud. Anyway, there was Ipomea

2149
01:56:29,359 --> 01:56:33,239
or azabensis that was a common ipomea everywhere. There was

2150
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:38,159
really cool seatums. I think just got it. I think

2151
01:56:38,279 --> 01:56:40,199
one of them just got listed as righty eye, but

2152
01:56:40,359 --> 01:56:42,239
ide'da is right eye, but I don't think it is.

2153
01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:45,960
And there's cool likeen in Tolanzia on everything not though

2154
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:52,399
scored and bivalve was there too, And anyway, and assaustrates

2155
01:56:52,439 --> 01:56:55,880
all limestone, it's limestone talus everywhere here. Glandelaria there was

2156
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:59,199
like a hot pink Glandelaria that was abundant here as well.

2157
01:57:00,319 --> 01:57:03,119
There was an abundance of Stevia's species. I think it

2158
01:57:03,239 --> 01:57:05,960
was Stevias serrata, and then there was a pink one. Again.

2159
01:57:06,039 --> 01:57:08,760
I haven't I haven't gone through the checklist yet and

2160
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:14,640
seen what's there. What's listed is growing in Nueva Leone.

2161
01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:18,479
But you know, the stevia is they can look like agritinas,

2162
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:21,840
but the capitulum, the flower head generally only has four

2163
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,880
to five florets, and Stevia it has fewer florets. And

2164
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:27,680
then they just got a gestalt to him. I think

2165
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:31,159
Stevia serata occurs in West Texas too, but it's somewhat limited.

2166
01:57:31,159 --> 01:57:33,359
It's in the higher reaches of the Davis Mountains which

2167
01:57:33,359 --> 01:57:39,359
are slowly drying out and dying. There was a spot

2168
01:57:39,479 --> 01:57:42,199
we went to later, and this is what blew my

2169
01:57:42,359 --> 01:57:44,520
mind is at one of these locations, I think it was.

2170
01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:47,600
We were at seven thousand feet now in these incredible

2171
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:49,439
can you hear my neighbor's dogs park and he fucking

2172
01:57:49,479 --> 01:57:50,119
never lets him in.

2173
01:57:50,199 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 4: It's horrible.

2174
01:57:51,279 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 2: I gave one of them a fucking h flea medication

2175
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:56,920
the other day because people just torture the shit out

2176
01:57:56,920 --> 01:57:59,279
of dogs down here. It's sad, and I don't think

2177
01:57:59,279 --> 01:58:01,159
they think it's cure. I think I think it's just normal.

2178
01:58:01,239 --> 01:58:06,840
It's fucking horrible anyway, really makes me mad. And this anyway,

2179
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:09,319
that first pineoak force is where he found the first

2180
01:58:09,439 --> 01:58:12,960
uh you know, Crodalus marulus and some of the other

2181
01:58:14,119 --> 01:58:16,199
cool say I think there was a Sciloporus miner. We

2182
01:58:16,279 --> 01:58:20,079
saw there as well, tons of Michael Riizel fungus diversity,

2183
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:22,960
just fucking mind blowing. Anyway, the next spot we went

2184
01:58:23,039 --> 01:58:27,359
to was up at seven thousand feet and this was

2185
01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:29,600
like beautiful. I mean, you could have thought you were

2186
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:33,119
in some place in the rocky mountains, like these undulating

2187
01:58:33,239 --> 01:58:38,079
hills valleys that are grasslands flanked by like pinion oak woodland.

2188
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:42,560
And uh, there was fucking Monarta, Citrio Dora there, Monarda

2189
01:58:43,039 --> 01:58:45,960
and Solidago. I mean there were these lineages that you

2190
01:58:46,239 --> 01:58:50,640
expect to see generally the same longitude, but maybe ten

2191
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:54,079
or you know, fifteen or twenty degrees latitude further north.

2192
01:58:54,439 --> 01:58:57,600
At fifteen, I guess it was fucking wild to see.

2193
01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:01,000
I didn't expect to see Monarda here, you know, these

2194
01:59:01,119 --> 01:59:04,800
these and god that it was just beautiful clouds, perfect temperature,

2195
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:09,600
just fucking wonderful. Oh, there was penstem In leonensis there too.

2196
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:15,640
Penstem In the Nuevo leon penstemen just fucking oh god,

2197
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:17,680
it was such a Again, it's like drinking a tall

2198
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:20,680
glass of medicine. Just you remember these places when you

2199
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,920
have to go to, these these human shittles we've created,

2200
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:32,520
these these despair and futility ridden uh cadavers land the

2201
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:34,880
cadavers of the landscape. Oh, there was a pine snake

2202
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:38,960
to a Mexican pine snake Pittuophus depii that we came across.

2203
01:59:39,039 --> 01:59:45,000
That is a fucking beautiful snake, beautiful snake. Ah. And

2204
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:47,560
then there was a it was a clear there was

2205
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:49,880
a cleared area that had you know, that was in

2206
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:52,760
the first stages of primary secession, and it was covered

2207
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:55,439
into Thnia tuberform us, which looks like a sunflower, but

2208
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:58,439
the stem just beneath the capitulum, you know, it's a

2209
01:59:58,840 --> 02:00:01,359
it's an annual, it's an herb. They can get five

2210
02:00:01,439 --> 02:00:08,079
to six feet tall and so no woody tissue. But

2211
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:12,479
the stem below the flower head like swells out like

2212
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:15,399
it's it looks it's like funnel shaped. And then the

2213
02:00:15,439 --> 02:00:20,119
whole thing is pubescent covered in hairs. And then there

2214
02:00:20,319 --> 02:00:23,239
was bunch of Dysodia species which I think we only

2215
02:00:23,319 --> 02:00:26,319
get a few the dysodias we get in the which

2216
02:00:26,399 --> 02:00:30,199
is Marigold Tribe d y sso d Ia, and it smells.

2217
02:00:30,239 --> 02:00:32,199
The leaves smell incredible. They got the glands on a

2218
02:00:32,279 --> 02:00:35,199
Marigold tribe. Everything in the Marigold tribe basically smells has

2219
02:00:35,279 --> 02:00:39,760
leaves that smell really nice, whether it's Nickelletia or or Tegidi's,

2220
02:00:40,239 --> 02:00:43,079
et cetera. And there was Dsdia everywhere, but there was

2221
02:00:43,239 --> 02:00:48,199
there was much larger Dysodia species there as well, and

2222
02:00:48,399 --> 02:00:51,479
some that were like, you know, two feet tall. They're

2223
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:54,520
all annuals, I believe, but two foot tall. And then

2224
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:58,000
there was Biden's. There was a white Biden species. I

2225
02:00:58,079 --> 02:01:03,520
think it was Biden's Odorata uh as well. But God, Diamond,

2226
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:06,239
I don't want to hear your Biden agenda. The Biden agenda,

2227
02:01:06,319 --> 02:01:09,399
Joe Biden voters coming across the border boten for fuck

2228
02:01:09,479 --> 02:01:13,640
you Biden. So uh. And there were fields of this

2229
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:19,119
ship going off, I mean, just like intoxicating California Stupeblum

2230
02:01:19,199 --> 02:01:26,640
style fields of Biden's and Desodia and just nobody around. Nothing.

2231
02:01:26,760 --> 02:01:29,279
There was no fucking road and it was just such

2232
02:01:29,319 --> 02:01:32,680
a like take it in. Take it and take it

2233
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:34,159
and take it and take it in. I can go

2234
02:01:34,319 --> 02:01:36,159
back to these, you know, I can go back to

2235
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:39,600
the terrible places. Now it's a way. This is what

2236
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:44,520
I need to last, you know. And and so, and

2237
02:01:44,600 --> 02:01:46,720
there was a kind of a gave striata too, which

2238
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:48,920
used to be a gave striata until when the DNA

2239
02:01:49,119 --> 02:01:51,119
was looked at on the phylogeny, a kind of a

2240
02:01:51,239 --> 02:01:54,600
gave and gave bractiosa as well, which I think that

2241
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:56,960
was Paleoa. Gave came out on the other side of

2242
02:01:57,039 --> 02:02:01,279
man Freda from a gave, and so they split it

2243
02:02:01,359 --> 02:02:03,560
up and they created these other two genera, and then

2244
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:05,800
man Freda was able to stay man Freda and not

2245
02:02:05,880 --> 02:02:09,199
be lumped into a gave like some dufas wanted to

2246
02:02:09,239 --> 02:02:10,920
do no offense to him, and it would have been

2247
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:12,600
a really bad idea. You know what they did to

2248
02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:15,479
do to Kathion. They lumped in with premium. That was

2249
02:02:15,479 --> 02:02:16,560
pretty shit for brain too.

2250
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:19,439
Speaker 4: Well, actually we've got we've got a foul a rolls

2251
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:23,439
potactic lubblic later. So you rather they create the other

2252
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:26,039
genera that are flipper from prebula, well you think it

2253
02:02:26,159 --> 02:02:29,840
to just loved this completely different, Jedith, that's different in

2254
02:02:30,319 --> 02:02:35,000
pollination syndrome and flora or fality with the rough to

2255
02:02:35,039 --> 02:02:38,840
privile that's what you gonna do. Anyway, that's my own

2256
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:41,319
personal beat, so h.

2257
02:02:42,319 --> 02:02:46,319
Speaker 2: But anyway, uh. And then so this is like these

2258
02:02:46,439 --> 02:02:51,319
it's like these islands of lowland vegetation that have been cleared,

2259
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:55,680
possibly for cattle pasture at some point, and then they're

2260
02:02:56,399 --> 02:03:00,439
margined by these pine woodlands, pinion pine woodland. And there's

2261
02:03:00,439 --> 02:03:04,920
also yucca carnurosana growing there as well, beautiful yucca. And

2262
02:03:05,039 --> 02:03:07,640
that was where I saw something that was really cool.

2263
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:11,600
I saw the orchid dicromanthis cinebarinus, which is not uncommon

2264
02:03:12,399 --> 02:03:15,880
in these higher elevation areas of Nuevo Leone, beautiful red orchid,

2265
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:21,119
hummingbird and lepidopter and pollinated obviously with those long, bright orange,

2266
02:03:21,239 --> 02:03:28,640
conspicuous floral tubes. But it frequently occurred. I saw it

2267
02:03:28,680 --> 02:03:31,000
probably five times. Only once did I not see it

2268
02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:34,880
growing with the kino agave striata, which makes sense. It's

2269
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,399
kind of a companion planting they do. And I wonder

2270
02:03:37,479 --> 02:03:42,479
if there's any anything going on down below root wise,

2271
02:03:42,640 --> 02:03:44,680
like not parasitism, of course, but if there's some sort

2272
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:48,239
of mutualist if this relationship is more than just the

2273
02:03:48,279 --> 02:03:53,880
akino agave protects the dicromanthis from being eaten, or if

2274
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:56,479
there's like some sort of other mutualism, because it was,

2275
02:03:56,760 --> 02:04:01,039
it was an affiliation I saw quite frequently. Mathis Cinnabarinus,

2276
02:04:01,079 --> 02:04:03,920
the orchid growing with a kind of a gave striata,

2277
02:04:04,279 --> 02:04:06,159
which I actually just planted a kind of a gave

2278
02:04:06,319 --> 02:04:09,079
down here in South Texas in my yard. There was

2279
02:04:09,119 --> 02:04:13,560
some nursery selling them. They had Dasilearian longisimum too, which

2280
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:17,760
I was, that's wild to see, but uh, because that's

2281
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:20,720
a really cool Dasileian. It's like a colescent sodaal. It's

2282
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:23,199
like a tall growing sodaal that looks like the Australian

2283
02:04:23,279 --> 02:04:29,159
grass tree. It looks like Kenya Australis. But anyway, so

2284
02:04:29,479 --> 02:04:33,640
there was dicromanthis cinnabarinus growing there, and that was just like,

2285
02:04:34,319 --> 02:04:37,840
it was a fucking lovely thing to see this spot.

2286
02:04:37,880 --> 02:04:39,680
And then we were there right at sunset too, and

2287
02:04:39,800 --> 02:04:42,159
so the sun's going down. I didn't have any time

2288
02:04:42,319 --> 02:04:47,359
to really do a thorough floristic inventory here because everybody

2289
02:04:47,439 --> 02:04:50,680
wanted to go. But uh, you know, I I'll go back.

2290
02:04:51,359 --> 02:04:53,800
It was just it was fucking gorgeous. Though, man Like,

2291
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:57,119
I'm so glad that places like that still exist and

2292
02:04:57,239 --> 02:05:00,399
haven't been destroyed. And again, I think it's largely well

2293
02:05:00,439 --> 02:05:03,119
as a number of factors, but especially the ihido system.

2294
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:06,359
You know, if some shitbag developer wanted to come in

2295
02:05:06,479 --> 02:05:09,159
and buy that up in the United States, they would

2296
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:10,880
just find the owner and purchase it from him and

2297
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:13,359
then build a shitty condo there or some resort or

2298
02:05:13,439 --> 02:05:15,720
whatever the fuck you want to do that. In Mexico,

2299
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:17,840
you've got to negotiate with the whole collective. You've got

2300
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:20,479
to negotiate with the whole community, and it's a pain

2301
02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:23,279
in the ass. And then of course there's other factors too,

2302
02:05:23,479 --> 02:05:27,079
you know, poorer, populous, not as much development, but it's

2303
02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:29,479
just not as much incentive for development. But I mean,

2304
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:32,239
so much of Mexico it just looks so much better

2305
02:05:33,079 --> 02:05:38,840
then the United States. There's just suburban sprawl isn't really

2306
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:42,600
a thing in Mexico, and that suburban sprawl, that tumor,

2307
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:47,600
that cancerous growth is such a huge part of America now,

2308
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:51,520
of the United States. It's it's just so you can't

2309
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:57,439
escape it. It's fucking everywhere, just sprawling suburban sprawl, sprawling

2310
02:05:57,479 --> 02:06:01,800
suburban s. I guess that's redne what I mean. Anyway,

2311
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:03,920
that's two hours. I'm gonna cut it there. I could

2312
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:06,920
go on, but holy fuck. You know, but you know,

2313
02:06:07,039 --> 02:06:09,960
the russolas in that oak forest did look nice. Russela,

2314
02:06:10,079 --> 02:06:17,880
the ectomycorrhizo, mushrooms. Oh, salvia, himejime hintoniana. It's the rare

2315
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:23,039
salvia that I saw there as well. Uh, just epic diversity.

2316
02:06:23,479 --> 02:06:26,760
And I probably took I must have taken four thousand photos.

2317
02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:29,239
I think that's what is what my phone was telling me,

2318
02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:32,520
because I take photos and then they're uploaded to my

2319
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:36,880
phone automatically through the Nikon snap bridge app. I was in.

2320
02:06:37,039 --> 02:06:39,319
I was in the field and discovered that my fucking

2321
02:06:39,439 --> 02:06:43,760
macro lens, the uh diaphragm flaps I control the aperture,

2322
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:47,119
I just fucking totally come apart and ship all over

2323
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:49,600
the inside of the camera. It sucked. So I'm like,

2324
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:53,439
one of my most important lenses, especially for you know,

2325
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:57,800
taxonomy and floral morphology, was just useless. I couldn't use it.

2326
02:06:57,800 --> 02:06:59,880
It was fucked and I normally carry it like an

2327
02:07:00,039 --> 02:07:03,359
little holster in my waistband. But and I just had

2328
02:07:03,399 --> 02:07:05,319
to thing repaired like five months ago, and they did

2329
02:07:05,359 --> 02:07:08,560
a half assed job. Now Nikon's gonna charge me four

2330
02:07:08,680 --> 02:07:11,479
hundred bucks or something probably to recharge. Yeah, I fucking yeah,

2331
02:07:11,680 --> 02:07:16,039
getting tired of this shit. That was a bummer anyway.

2332
02:07:16,119 --> 02:07:18,600
So the Church of the Living World tours coming up

2333
02:07:18,640 --> 02:07:21,680
will be starting. The first show is on September tenth,

2334
02:07:22,119 --> 02:07:24,760
whereas I gotta look at this again. First show is

2335
02:07:24,840 --> 02:07:28,560
on September tenth at the Peggy Notobart Museum just north

2336
02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:31,119
of Fullerton there at Lake Short Drive, right on the

2337
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:34,720
lake north of the Alfred Caldwell Lilypool. Then we're doing

2338
02:07:35,479 --> 02:07:39,399
September eleventh, the Possibility Placed Nursery and Beautiful Money, Illinois.

2339
02:07:39,399 --> 02:07:40,800
I don't think I've ever been to Money, did I

2340
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:44,039
ever drive through MONI uh, And so that'll be cool.

2341
02:07:44,039 --> 02:07:46,119
I've always wanted to check that nursery out. Haven't gotten

2342
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:48,640
a chance that all the tour dates are available on

2343
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:51,720
the Crime Pays website Crime pays at BONDI doesn't dot com.

2344
02:07:53,039 --> 02:07:54,880
It should be a fun time, it'll be nice. I

2345
02:07:54,920 --> 02:07:57,119
think I think you'll enjoy it. Come out and you

2346
02:07:57,199 --> 02:08:01,479
will enjoy it. Have a good wholesome, family fun entertainment,

2347
02:08:02,399 --> 02:08:09,119
just kidding. And what else is September thirteenth at the

2348
02:08:09,199 --> 02:08:13,199
Hideout on Wabangia, which is that's like a shell space,

2349
02:08:13,399 --> 02:08:17,479
you know, it's like a show space in bar. Probably

2350
02:08:17,479 --> 02:08:22,560
smells like wood, wood and beer and bleach for the countertops,

2351
02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:25,439
which I do. I do like bars. You know, I

2352
02:08:25,479 --> 02:08:28,600
don't like hanging around drunks too much. But you know,

2353
02:08:28,760 --> 02:08:31,079
you go in there. You can't smoke in her anymore.

2354
02:08:31,119 --> 02:08:33,119
It's been twenty years since the Maybe I'll smoke a

2355
02:08:33,159 --> 02:08:37,600
stogy outside and drinking NA beer, non alcoholic beer. And

2356
02:08:38,159 --> 02:08:42,520
then we're doing the fourteenth September fourteenth at Pizzos Nursery

2357
02:08:43,079 --> 02:08:46,279
three pm. And there it's a wholesale nursery and they're

2358
02:08:46,279 --> 02:08:49,199
gonna have plugs and plants for sale, which is great

2359
02:08:49,199 --> 02:08:51,199
because they're one of the best nurseries in the Midwest

2360
02:08:52,479 --> 02:08:56,119
and they're mostly wholesale. But I think, you know, obviously

2361
02:08:56,239 --> 02:08:58,319
this will be open to the public. That's three pm

2362
02:08:58,399 --> 02:09:03,359
on a Sunday at Pizzos and we start the actual

2363
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:06,600
tour four days later. So the Chicago dates, we still

2364
02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:09,199
got to sell out some of the Chicago dates. The

2365
02:09:09,279 --> 02:09:11,760
Peggy Note of Art Museum, which is a great museum.

2366
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:17,600
That's that's a Wednesday. I think that's the one on

2367
02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:19,720
what is it the tenth? Is it the tenth? And

2368
02:09:19,760 --> 02:09:23,039
then you have Possibility Place that's their thing. I think anyway,

2369
02:09:23,079 --> 02:09:24,920
it's come out. It'll be nice, it'll be a good time.

2370
02:09:26,319 --> 02:09:30,760
And then uh, yeah, and they we're doing Milwaukee, Saint Paul, Omaha, Lincoln,

2371
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:35,439
Kansas City, and the quad cities over there, so I

2372
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:37,600
hope to see you there. I'll have books for sale,

2373
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:39,720
We'll have shirts for sale. I'm printing to shirts in

2374
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:44,720
a garage right now. If Buddy Drew helped me press them,

2375
02:09:44,920 --> 02:09:48,119
heat set them. It'll be a fun time. And I

2376
02:09:48,199 --> 02:09:50,359
think y'all might sing. We'll sing a couple ditties, you know,

2377
02:09:50,439 --> 02:09:52,800
we'll sing a couple folks songs in the style of

2378
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:56,279
the Frogs, you know, maybe with less not as crude,

2379
02:09:56,359 --> 02:09:59,840
but you know, I feel good tune with lyrics that

2380
02:10:00,479 --> 02:10:04,439
really help you swallow the turd of modern reality a

2381
02:10:04,520 --> 02:10:08,600
little bit easier. Yeah, but yeah, it'll be good to

2382
02:10:08,720 --> 02:10:11,920
come out, and uh and I think that's it. It

2383
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:14,720
suggested donation. No one turned away for lack of funds,

2384
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:16,920
but definitely. Please. We're on fucking tour man. If you

2385
02:10:17,159 --> 02:10:22,119
if you can help us, it'd be cool. So yeah,

2386
02:10:22,199 --> 02:10:25,760
that's it. Anyway, have a good rest of day, and

2387
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:28,359
and remember, oh you know what I want to I

2388
02:10:28,479 --> 02:10:32,520
want to close with this, uh this bit by the

2389
02:10:32,640 --> 02:10:36,680
late the late George Hinton. No, no, it was Jerry. No,

2390
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:39,479
it was Jerry. Jerry Risadowski. Hitten's still alive. I think

2391
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:42,760
I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. This is from the paper Diversity

2392
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:47,359
and Origins of the Phanero orgamic Flora of Mexico phener

2393
02:10:47,439 --> 02:10:50,920
organics like a old school Spanish and Portuguese word for

2394
02:10:51,399 --> 02:10:54,720
angiosperm basically, but diversity that he or heene is de

2395
02:10:54,840 --> 02:11:01,279
la florida organica de Mexico by the late Jerry Risadowski.

2396
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:04,479
It says Jersey here is it is that correct? I

2397
02:11:05,239 --> 02:11:09,000
think his name was Jerry. That's okay anyway. It's all

2398
02:11:09,039 --> 02:11:12,720
in Spanish, but the English translation is. On the other hand,

2399
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:15,920
it is important to remember that the geographic distribution of

2400
02:11:16,159 --> 02:11:20,039
organisms generally ignores the political divisions that a planet's crust.

2401
02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:24,079
It is, however, frequently linked to the delimitation of natural

2402
02:11:24,119 --> 02:11:30,640
regions defined by physiographic climatic edaphic that means soil, et cetera. Conditions.

2403
02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:34,079
To be consistent with such circumstances, and to account for

2404
02:11:34,159 --> 02:11:37,319
many true endemisms, it will be necessary in this chapter

2405
02:11:37,439 --> 02:11:41,319
to extend the country's borders, and thus the term Mega

2406
02:11:41,399 --> 02:11:44,119
Mexico will be used when including parts of the arid

2407
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:48,319
zones of Sonora, Chihuahua, and Tamilipis, which belonged to the

2408
02:11:48,479 --> 02:11:52,079
United States of America, the term Mega Mexico two when

2409
02:11:52,119 --> 02:11:56,399
covering the Central American territory up to northern Nicaragua, and

2410
02:11:56,479 --> 02:11:59,920
the term Mega Mexico three to include both areas see

2411
02:12:00,119 --> 02:12:03,359
maps in figure two. So right there he's saying it.

2412
02:12:03,439 --> 02:12:08,840
It's Mega Mexico. Texas is Mega Mexico. Parts of the

2413
02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:16,119
West are just Mega Mexico. Meke America Mexico. Again, I

2414
02:12:16,159 --> 02:12:20,479
mean not politically, but just recognize that's what all the

2415
02:12:20,600 --> 02:12:22,760
flora of these regions is the same. There are no

2416
02:12:24,119 --> 02:12:27,079
these geopolitical borders we've made up our bullshit. Sure they're

2417
02:12:27,119 --> 02:12:29,359
great for fucking getting people to vote for your or

2418
02:12:29,399 --> 02:12:32,680
whatever you're having different but whatever. But when you look

2419
02:12:33,319 --> 02:12:35,960
at when you scrape away the thin veneer of human bullshit,

2420
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:38,720
and you look at all the living things in a region,

2421
02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:42,119
and you look at something like a watershed map or

2422
02:12:42,159 --> 02:12:46,760
a topographic map that that doesn't have any geopolitical borders

2423
02:12:46,800 --> 02:12:48,800
on it. So it really starts to click and you realize,

2424
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:51,199
these things have been here for much longer than us,

2425
02:12:51,279 --> 02:12:53,720
and they will be here much longer than us. Some

2426
02:12:53,880 --> 02:12:55,720
of them will not the ones we drive to extinction

2427
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:59,520
through invasive species and extensive land clearance and building strip

2428
02:12:59,600 --> 02:13:03,039
mall hell like Texas loves to do. And so that

2429
02:13:03,119 --> 02:13:05,359
really gives you some perspective. And that's what I like

2430
02:13:05,439 --> 02:13:07,319
thinking about, and that's why I like going to these

2431
02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:11,920
places that remind me both of the Edwards Plateau and

2432
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:15,079
the Davis Mountains of West Texas or Elephant Mountain in

2433
02:13:15,119 --> 02:13:20,000
West Texas, but are instead, you know, six hundred miles

2434
02:13:20,079 --> 02:13:23,800
five hundred miles south and have also they've got all

2435
02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:26,079
these floristic affinities, all these species, but they've also got

2436
02:13:26,119 --> 02:13:31,279
all these incredible new species and variations, and the land

2437
02:13:31,399 --> 02:13:35,520
is just in better condition and not owned by some

2438
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:38,079
rich freak who will let you on it to look

2439
02:13:38,119 --> 02:13:42,479
at some plants, so, you know, make Texas Mexico again

2440
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:46,840
and just have a long term as more zoomed out

2441
02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:52,119
perspective on life and on the land that you live on.

2442
02:13:53,279 --> 02:13:55,159
Because this stuff, I mean, this stuff's been there a

2443
02:13:55,239 --> 02:13:56,800
lot longer than us, and you could see it. And

2444
02:13:56,840 --> 02:13:58,520
that's why I love. That's what I love saying. I

2445
02:13:58,640 --> 02:14:02,359
love seeing these places. They give me an idea of

2446
02:14:02,479 --> 02:14:08,039
what parts of like the western region of Austin may

2447
02:14:08,119 --> 02:14:12,079
have looked like seven hundred years ago before it was spoiled,

2448
02:14:13,359 --> 02:14:17,920
or what you know, what god, parts of West Texas

2449
02:14:18,039 --> 02:14:20,680
might have looked like before they started getting really really dry.

2450
02:14:21,279 --> 02:14:26,000
And when you find those madrones in Pecos County, you know,

2451
02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:29,680
growing in these relictual areas, like in the wash of

2452
02:14:29,800 --> 02:14:32,920
a desert, and you can see what it might what

2453
02:14:33,039 --> 02:14:36,199
it might have looked like in the Pleistocene. That's when

2454
02:14:36,199 --> 02:14:38,199
you start connecting the dots. You know, you're like an

2455
02:14:38,279 --> 02:14:43,720
ant finally realizing what's around you and finally realizing that

2456
02:14:43,800 --> 02:14:46,279
you're just living in this tiny little crack and what

2457
02:14:46,479 --> 02:14:52,279
is this much larger landscape with all these different connecting factors.

2458
02:14:53,119 --> 02:14:55,199
You know, it's much larger than yourself. So anyway, that's

2459
02:14:55,319 --> 02:14:57,359
nice to think about. Anyway, that's like a heavy grocery day,

2460
02:14:57,399 --> 02:14:58,079
Go fuck you, up by