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Speaker 5: All right, let's talk Backlash that comes to us tomorrow night.
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Speaker 5: All righty, let's get it to the predictions. So I'm
Speaker 5: going to do the predictions first, and then if we
Speaker 5: have time at the end, we're going to go through
Speaker 5: some of the emails and we're going to maybe a
Speaker 5: couple of voicemails and then call it a day. So
Speaker 5: here are my predictions. First of all, my overall thoughts
Speaker 5: and feelings going into backlash. Kind of a weird of here,
Speaker 5: especially following WrestleMania, which is such a star studded event,
Speaker 5: or usually is, and I think WWE has the opportunity
Speaker 5: to really wipe away some of the bad feeling that
Speaker 5: was left after Night two of WrestleMania with a quality
Speaker 5: pl The way that you present a quality show, not
Speaker 5: that I need to tell them, is to simply have
Speaker 5: awesome matches despite the stories going in. Sometimes when you
Speaker 5: come out of the match, it can make up for
Speaker 5: a lot of issues with the storyline going in. It
Speaker 5: can make you forget about them and deudorize the issues.
Speaker 5: So there's the potential here for that, And I gotta
Speaker 5: be honest, there's not you know, a lot. Looking at
Speaker 5: the Gunther and Pat McAfee match, you kind of know
Speaker 5: what that one's going to be, so you can write
Speaker 5: that one off as a not a great match off
Speaker 5: the bat, it's that one is purely story driven. And
Speaker 5: how close can Pat McAfee come to making us believe
Speaker 5: that he's going to beat Gunther? Because you know those
Speaker 5: spots will be in there. But this is a wrestling
Speaker 5: heavy event, as money pls are. And do we have
Speaker 5: any interference? Does John Cena up here? Does Cody Rhodes return?
Speaker 5: Anybody else?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Bueller, I don't know. So let's get to the card,
Speaker 5: and let's start with let's start with Pat McAfee and Gunther.
Speaker 5: There is no other way. There's just no other way
Speaker 5: this one can end. Gunther must underline, embolden the word,
Speaker 5: must choke out McAfee, and honestly, he should do it
Speaker 5: in short order now by Gunther squashing Pat McAfee, which
Speaker 5: is what should happen. There really isn't much to be
Speaker 5: gained for Gunther. In fact, this entire match, there's really
Speaker 5: absolutely nothing for Gunther to gain and everything for him
Speaker 5: to lose or what's left after the debacle with the
Speaker 5: World Championship match that opened Night one of WrestleMania. If
Speaker 5: you recall, he tapped out very quickly, and so there's
Speaker 5: really not a lot for Guntherer to gain in this match.
Speaker 5: This is something that is really for Pat McFee to gain.
Speaker 5: This is a no risk situation for Pat McAfee and
Speaker 5: a one hundred percent risk for Gunther. All of the
Speaker 5: burden is on Gunther, None of the risk is on
Speaker 5: Pat McAfee none, because Guntherer can only lose and Pat
Speaker 5: McAfee can only gain. So when you look at it
Speaker 5: through that lens, which is reality, what should happen is
Speaker 5: keeping everyone the same, or at least keeping Gunher where
Speaker 5: he's at, while elevating Pat McAfee in a couple of
Speaker 5: hope spots. You know, Pat McAfee, despite the fact that
Speaker 5: it's totally unrealistic, is going to have a couple of
Speaker 5: spots where you think, oh my god, the crowd's gonna
Speaker 5: get into it. Maybe he's got Guntherer down, Can he
Speaker 5: do it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Elbow drop one to two close in your fall, And
Speaker 5: that is probably what's gonna happen. Here, but Gunther should
Speaker 5: I would say, under ten minutes, please just choke him out,
Speaker 5: choke him out and call it a day with Gunther
Speaker 5: and move on. Now after that, does anybody come into
Speaker 5: attack Gunther? Does Goldberg appear? Because lord knows, we've heard
Speaker 5: a lot about Goldberg over the last couple of days.
Speaker 5: He's reappeared in our news feeds, so it's certainly possible
Speaker 5: he comes in and attacks Gunther after hell. I could
Speaker 5: even see a scenario where he costs Gunther the match
Speaker 5: and Pat McAfee beats Gunther because of Goldberg. I understand
Speaker 5: that that is absolutely possible. I don't want it. I
Speaker 5: don't want anything to do with Goldberg or any other
Speaker 5: match he's ever going to have. Ever. I don't even
Speaker 5: want the thought of matches in my head with Goldberg.
Speaker 5: There is nothing they can get me to do to
Speaker 5: get excited about a Goldberg match with anyone. So for me,
Speaker 5: when looking at who's gonna win, Gunther should win. And
Speaker 5: if you want to have Goldberg attack Gunther afterwards, you
Speaker 5: can go that road and build the Gunther Goldberg at
Speaker 5: Money in the bank or at SummerSlam. I don't want it.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of you don't want it. But
Speaker 5: there is somehow a subset of fans, and I've met
Speaker 5: them on X unless they're bots or AI or people
Speaker 5: who are just being paid by we to pretend that
Speaker 5: they're interested in this matchup. But whatever the situation, there
Speaker 5: is somehow a subset of fans that are interested in
Speaker 5: a Goldberg Gunther match. So keep an eye on Goldberg here,
Speaker 5: But I think Gunther gets the victory via a choke out.
Speaker 5: All right, Jacob fat Two versus La Night for the
Speaker 5: United States Championship, This one is a WrestleMania, a WrestleMania
Speaker 5: foregone conclusion. What I mean by that is, I f
Speaker 5: two won the belt at WrestleMania. You don't anoint someone
Speaker 5: for the champions especially for the first time, and then
Speaker 5: have them drop the belt just a few weeks later
Speaker 5: from Summerslant or from WrestleMania. You don't do it, especially
Speaker 5: with somebody like Fatu that the fancy a star, and
Speaker 5: clearly the company sees a star in he already is one,
Speaker 5: but you know, to really get him to that next
Speaker 5: level is an established, consistent star that you can maybe
Speaker 5: build the company around. At some point, You're not gonna
Speaker 5: have him loose to La Knight. I know La Knight
Speaker 5: is a he's fun. He is a nineties throwback in
Speaker 5: a lot of ways. The fans built him up a
Speaker 5: few years ago. They never made him top champion because
Speaker 5: Roman was the top champion at the time and they
Speaker 5: didn't have any any plans for him to beat Roman
Speaker 5: Reigns for the belt. And since then he's just kind
Speaker 5: of swam around the pool of the WWE, you know,
Speaker 5: United States Championship. And I think that if Fatu wins,
Speaker 5: and he probably wins decisively, you know, a guy like Fatu,
Speaker 5: despite the fact that he's a heel Ken and probably
Speaker 5: should beat l A Knight outright, and sure he could
Speaker 5: have help from from his confident out there, right, you know,
Speaker 5: Solo could absolutely come in and try to help Fatu.
Speaker 5: Maybe he nearly costs him. Maybe this is when we
Speaker 5: finally have the Solo turn that we've been talking about
Speaker 5: for months. But I don't think it's going to cost
Speaker 5: him the belt either way. The Tongans will probably get involved.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a very very much I think a
Speaker 5: Fatu victory, and it should be. I know a lot
Speaker 5: of us love Alley Knight, but if you're looking to
Speaker 5: the future and looking for decisions at WrestleMania to stick,
Speaker 5: which they should. This is just another WrestleMania. It's the
Speaker 5: victim of a WrestleMania decision. That's what this is, and
Speaker 5: that's fine. It's the right decision to make, and I
Speaker 5: think this match should be a lot of fun. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I expect it to be even better than their first
Speaker 5: one at a WrestleMania, and I was a big fan
Speaker 5: of the ones at WrestleMania. I think that was one
Speaker 5: of the bright spots of WrestleMania. But there's just no
Speaker 5: scenario in which I look at this match and say, yeah,
Speaker 5: La Knight's probably got this, he's the babyface. No, probably
Speaker 5: not so FA two beats Night all right. Dominic Mysterio
Speaker 5: takes on Penta for the Intercontinental title. Kind of the
Speaker 5: same logic here, same as La Knight and Fatu. Dominic retains.
Speaker 5: I think the fans are going to be behind him,
Speaker 5: despite the fact that pent has a babyface. Dominic is
Speaker 5: becoming a beloved figure. I think fans have warmed up
Speaker 5: to him. They're tired of booing him. The turn is
Speaker 5: not fully complete because the judgment day, including Finn Balor
Speaker 5: especially has yet to turn on him. This one again
Speaker 5: seems to be very much like Dominic's gonna win. I
Speaker 5: can see a scenario here where, just like the Solo
Speaker 5: Fa Tu dynamic, we could have Finn cost Dominic the match.
Speaker 5: Notice there's a pattern here for the three matches I
Speaker 5: just mentioned, with Goldberg potentially screwing over Gunther, with Solo
Speaker 5: potentially screwing over Fatu, and now with Finn Balor potentially
Speaker 5: screwing over Dominicq with Stereo. There is I think one
Speaker 5: of those three at least will come true, if not
Speaker 5: during the match, after the match, somebody's turning out of
Speaker 5: those three. But there's a pattern emerging here where new
Speaker 5: rivalries are about to take shape. And that's what happens
Speaker 5: after Backlash, because Backlash is the leftovers, the warmed up
Speaker 5: leftovers of WrestleMania, That's what it is. It's kind of
Speaker 5: tying up loose ends and moving on and looking towards
Speaker 5: money in the bank in SummerSlam. So you would expect some,
Speaker 5: if not more than some of these scenarios to play
Speaker 5: out where you kind of can see the path towards
Speaker 5: the next pl and beyond. So it's very possible that
Speaker 5: Finn Balor ends up turning on Dom here, but either way,
Speaker 5: I still believe Dom should retain. He's got something going
Speaker 5: there with the Intercontinental title. The fans are starting to
Speaker 5: organically get behind him, and that's the best kind of
Speaker 5: turn you can have, is when the fans decide it's time,
Speaker 5: not when WWE decides its time, and then they hope
Speaker 5: you rally behind them instead. The fans feel like they're
Speaker 5: leading the way here, and they really are. That's a
Speaker 5: much more fun way to turn somebody than being told
Speaker 5: who's turning and then going, oh, okay, I guess I'll
Speaker 5: go along with it. So this should be a fun
Speaker 5: match too. I mean, with two guys of this skill level,
Speaker 5: you know that you're gonna get a great lutrador style match.
Speaker 5: Does albertil del Rio end up interfering, I don't know. Maybe.
Speaker 5: WWE apparently has reportedly signed albertil del Rio again. This
Speaker 5: might be their third or fourth time since he's gotten fired.
Speaker 5: A lot of past issues with del Rio, but hopefully
Speaker 5: those have resolved themselves, so it's possible you see Alberto
Speaker 5: del Rio. But this is really about This is really
Speaker 5: about the judgment day and Finn Balor and Dominic Mysterio's
Speaker 5: tension at the forefront. Here, Okay, we'll have the women's
Speaker 5: in her Continental Championship, Lyra Valkyria versus Becky Lynch. This
Speaker 5: one's hard. This it's not as easy the last three.
Speaker 5: I feel a much higher level of confidence than I
Speaker 5: do this one because there's like a strong case for
Speaker 5: Becky Lynch to win it here. And the reason is
Speaker 5: she turned heel and the way to get her get
Speaker 5: heat on her real quick is to have hers take
Speaker 5: the belt from Lyra in some kind of underhanded way,
Speaker 5: and you have Lyra back in chase mode. Now, what's
Speaker 5: the difference between this Becky Lynch and the past heels
Speaker 5: of the Becky Lynch as we've seen? Not a ton
Speaker 5: other than she's not trying to dress like her husband
Speaker 5: and do the wacky hair styles she did the first time.
Speaker 5: I think fans still have a tough time turning on Becky.
Speaker 5: Her as a babyface just feels much more natural. I
Speaker 5: wish the best that this heel turn works, but Becky
Speaker 5: as a heel still it never feels quite right. Maybe
Speaker 5: she'll find the formula, but Lyra, in her own right,
Speaker 5: has come in to her own at least she did
Speaker 5: this past week with her promo, getting a personality, as
Speaker 5: Michael Cole put it on raw, coming out of her shell.
Speaker 5: So that's good, good for Lyra, and I expect a
Speaker 5: really good match here ten twelve, fourteen minutes for the
Speaker 5: women's IC belt, and I I want to say Lyra retains.
Speaker 5: I want to, but I think it's probably Becky Lynch
Speaker 5: with the Intercontinental title. I know Lyra is hasn't really
Speaker 5: had exactly a long rain with that belt, but I
Speaker 5: think Becky Lynch is champion. If you're trying to get
Speaker 5: her heat her winning, cheating to beat Lyra is a
Speaker 5: good way to continue that. If you're trying to get
Speaker 5: as much heat on Becky as possible. It just kind
Speaker 5: of fits the bills. So tough one, tough one, stay
Speaker 5: away from it for you, you know, you wagerers out there.
Speaker 5: I'd stay the hell away from this one unless you're
Speaker 5: you know, you're feeling lucky. But I would say Becky
Speaker 5: Lynch probably wins, but I'm not. My confidence level is
Speaker 5: not high in this. So then we have the undisputed Championship,
Speaker 5: the undisputed Universal Championship. Although I think it's just called
Speaker 5: the w B Unisputed Championship. John Cena versus Randy Orton.
Speaker 5: I think this is the last time I'll ever be
Speaker 5: able to say that, and that's kind of sad. I
Speaker 5: know we've seen it a million times in the past,
Speaker 5: but it's been a long time since they've been in
Speaker 5: the ring for a match together. I'm gonna enjoy this
Speaker 5: just from a nostalgic standpoint for me, even if the
Speaker 5: match isn't great, and I don't expect it to be
Speaker 5: great because of John's limitations and just the fact that
Speaker 5: he's Yeah he's just older and he's a step slower,
Speaker 5: and yeah, Brandy's going to do what he can do.
Speaker 5: I expect it to be a very serviceable match, very
Speaker 5: professional match, a much slower pace match, and that's fine
Speaker 5: with me. I don't need every match going one hundred
Speaker 5: miles an hour, so I expect, you know, this one
Speaker 5: to be fifteen to twenty minutes in a slow pace though,
Speaker 5: so it'll feel extra slow, but fun and nostalgic. I'm
Speaker 5: looking at this through the lens of nostalgia, not in
Speaker 5: terms of the lens of well man, they better have
Speaker 5: a five star match. I don't put that expectation on
Speaker 5: these guys so fun match. Ultimately, yeah, John sen is
Speaker 5: gonna win this. If Randy Orton wins, I don't know
Speaker 5: what they're doing. You don't have John Cena, one of
Speaker 5: the biggest stars in the company, turn heel and then
Speaker 5: have him drop the belt three weeks after he wins
Speaker 5: it at WrestleMania forty one. You don't just there would
Speaker 5: be It'd be chaos if that happened. There's no need
Speaker 5: for that. This is John Cena's final months here. As
Speaker 5: we roll to December, John Cena became a seventeen time champion.
Speaker 5: There is just no scenario in my mind. I can
Speaker 5: imagine Randy Orton winning. It would make no sense, especially
Speaker 5: given Cody's not back yet. And when Cody comes back,
Speaker 5: which you could here too, you can expect Cody to
Speaker 5: get Sena. So Scena retains hook or crook. Probably. If
Speaker 5: I was booking this, I would have him beat Randy
Speaker 5: Orton in the same method I had him beat Cody
Speaker 5: rozarrus On Many forty one. In fact, you know what
Speaker 5: I would do, since I'm sadistic, I would have Travis
Speaker 5: Scott come out. That's what I would do. I would
Speaker 5: have Travis Scott come out. And you know what I
Speaker 5: would do if I, oh, this is just tickling my loins,
Speaker 5: I'd have Travis Scott come out. Randy Orton hits him
Speaker 5: with an RKO, and you know, he hits Randy, He
Speaker 5: hits John Cena with an RKO. It looks like Randy
Speaker 5: Orton is about to win, and the Rock's music hits
Speaker 5: distracts Randy Orton, but he doesn't come out. The Rock
Speaker 5: does not come out, and I don't expect him to
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 5: I'm not predicting that at all. Although that would be
Speaker 5: the time to bring the rock back when no one's
Speaker 5: expecting it, I'm not predicting it. That's what I would do.
Speaker 5: I would have this ongoing, this ongoing just a method
Speaker 5: of John Cena winning by having the Rocks music hit
Speaker 5: and they'll, uh, everyone continues to be distracted by it,
Speaker 5: like he could be here. That's how John Cena keeps retaining. Now,
Speaker 5: you can only do that a few times before his
Speaker 5: opponents starts to look like a fool. But for you know,
Speaker 5: two times, maybe three, you could have that happen where
Speaker 5: John Cena uses the Rocks music to gain an advantage,
Speaker 5: and you know then him berating the fans. If you
Speaker 5: think the Rock has time to come out here, if
Speaker 5: he didn't show up a WrestleMania forty one, he's certainly
Speaker 5: not gonna want to be in ex City. That's what
Speaker 5: I would do. I would hammer it home.
Speaker 2: Why not.
Speaker 5: They've got a lot of emotion and a lot of
Speaker 5: negative emotion pent up from fans about the bad taste
Speaker 5: left in their mouth about wrestleing to forty one. Use it,
Speaker 5: make money with it, get people talking even more, because
Speaker 5: guess what, then you're gonna trend even more. Fans are
Speaker 5: gonna be outraged even more. That's the point. This one
Speaker 5: would be an intentional probing of the fans. The first one, obviously,
Speaker 5: I don't think was intentional of the anger and backlash
Speaker 5: from forty the main event for from nine night two.
Speaker 5: So in my fantasy land, that's how I would book
Speaker 5: the finish here is looks like we're good. Travis Scott
Speaker 5: comes out again, people are like, what the hell? Clearly
Speaker 5: WWW doesn't get the message. Randy Orton just dispatches Travis
Speaker 5: Scott with an RKO and then as Sina is down
Speaker 5: from maybe another RKO, we have the Rocks Music hit,
Speaker 5: people going crazy, announcers are going crazy. It lasts for
Speaker 5: like thirty seconds, and that gives Seen enough time to recover.
Speaker 5: Randy Orton turns around, referees distracted or down belt shot one,
Speaker 5: two three. John Cena retains, That's exactly what I would
Speaker 5: do here. That's what I would do, So you can
Speaker 5: have the Rocks still be a part of this from
Speaker 5: an attached to it from a distance, but not have
Speaker 5: them actually show up. It's the best of both worlds.
Speaker 5: So I kind of I'm kind of favored to that finish.
Speaker 5: We'll see if they do it. I doubt it, but
Speaker 5: that's how I would do it. Either way, the results
Speaker 5: the same. John Cena retains, Does Cody Roads come back?
Speaker 5: Maybe somebody's returning here. There are too many scenarios set up,
Speaker 5: too many matches set up for a turn or a
Speaker 5: return not to happen at least two somebody to attack
Speaker 5: Finn Balor attacking Dom or Solo attacking Fatu, or Goldberg
Speaker 5: attacking Gunther or Cody attacking Sena or the Rocks Music
Speaker 5: Foe having his full return. Something has got to give
Speaker 5: here at backlash. So there it is all right, let's
Speaker 5: get to some emails here. I don't think we have
Speaker 5: a lot, just a couple as we close out the
Speaker 5: show here, let's uh, let's see who do I want
Speaker 5: to start with. I don't have any options, right, it
Speaker 5: sounds like a whole I have a whole lot of options.
Speaker 5: I don't, So let's start with Yes, DJ, let's start
Speaker 5: with you, and DJ says, due to work and the responsibilities,
Speaker 5: I missed the cutoff point getting the last week's mail bag. Well,
Speaker 5: I was able to. I put you in right on Sunday.
Speaker 5: All good? So first, is it me? Or does this
Speaker 5: year's backlash seem sort of underwhelming with the current state
Speaker 5: of WWE matches that have been booked, especially the Women's
Speaker 5: IC title match, which, in my opinion, should have been
Speaker 5: booked on a random episode of Raw. However, Triple H
Speaker 5: and the creative team seem to always over deliver on
Speaker 5: the ples that are not interesting on paper. Could this
Speaker 5: backlash be another over delivered pl E? Yeah, it's an
Speaker 5: interesting dynamic with Triple H and his pls. The build
Speaker 5: hasn't always been the greatest leading in, but how many
Speaker 5: times did we come out of the pl E? Not
Speaker 5: every time, but more often than not in saying wow, yeah,
Speaker 5: that was better than I expected. Now, I don't know
Speaker 5: if that's some kind of like psychological trick where they
Speaker 5: go in knowing that they're not putting their best foot forward,
Speaker 5: only to over deliver and therefore, looking back, you always
Speaker 5: feel better because they always over deliver, but they purposely
Speaker 5: lower the bar going in. So it's some kind of
Speaker 5: like trickery going on, some mind Jedi stuff. Almost had
Speaker 5: to de bleete myself. So yeah, I think it's going
Speaker 5: to overdeliver based on people's expectations going in because of
Speaker 5: the said returns and possible turns that I talked about earlier.
Speaker 5: Okay too, I'm not understanding this. Becky Lynch, he'll turn.
Speaker 5: Why would I even care about this view between her
Speaker 5: and the bird lady Lyra.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, we'll find this just happens, so I'm gonna
Speaker 5: give it time to breathe. Right now, it's just Becky
Speaker 5: Lynch turning, maybe because her husband did. I don't know.
Speaker 5: So let's see here. Oh and by the way, I
Speaker 5: have to say this unrelated. It's been three months in
Speaker 5: counting just about since Johnson had turned heel and sold
Speaker 5: his soul to the rock, and we have no explanation
Speaker 5: for three months. Just wanted to keep a tracker here.
Speaker 5: It's been three months with no explanation. I don't want
Speaker 5: to hear about long term storytelling. That's bad storytelling, that's
Speaker 5: lazy storytelling. Three months is just it's inexcusable. So just
Speaker 5: wanted to.
Speaker 2: Put that out.
Speaker 5: I will as periodically as you hear my kids yelling
Speaker 5: in the background, I will periodically remind you about this.
Speaker 5: This just abomination of storytelling. All right, So your predictions.
Speaker 5: You think that Sena wins by Shenanigans or no Shenanigans, Well,
Speaker 5: I don't know which one. So Sina wins, but you're
Speaker 5: not sure if it's by Shenanigans or not. Either way,
Speaker 5: same result, I would agree, Becky Hogan, I mean Becky
Speaker 5: Lynch versus Lire Valkaria for the women's Intercontinental title. Becky
Speaker 5: Lynch wins. Okay, so far in lockstep DJ fatal four
Speaker 5: way for the US title. Jacob Fatu wins. Oh, that's right,
Speaker 5: it's a fatal four way. I don't know what the
Speaker 5: hell card I was looking at. I mean to be honest,
Speaker 5: it doesn't change my prediction. I looked at must and
Speaker 5: what I think. I looked at CBS Sports, Well, somebody
Speaker 5: needs to tell them. I thought that didn't seem right.
Speaker 5: It just said that it was a Jacob two versus
Speaker 5: l Knight, and I'm like, wait, what about Drew? And yeah, totally, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're right, Thank you, DJ. It's a fatal four way
Speaker 5: for the US title. However, doesn't change mine my pick.
Speaker 5: Jacob two wins. Absolutely, Yes, Solo could still get involved,
Speaker 5: but Drew should have a big night. I expect him
Speaker 5: to and expect this to be a kick ass match.
Speaker 5: Out of the entire car this one certainly stands out
Speaker 5: as if you're looking for pure wrestling in five star entertainment,
Speaker 5: this one is at the top of that list of expectations. Anyway,
Speaker 5: So gun there versus McAfee. Gunther wins. But does Goldberger
Speaker 5: Gilberg appear? Yeah, we are so far in the same space.
Speaker 4: DJ.
Speaker 5: I have fears about Goldberg. My fear is uh is there?
Speaker 5: And I know people are going to cheer. I understand
Speaker 5: that we are a generation sick with nostalgia. I mean
Speaker 5: it's an epidemic. We have a problem. We are the
Speaker 5: we must be the first generation to have a real
Speaker 5: problem with nostalgia. I mean, that's all. We're seeking it constantly,
Speaker 5: and it's I think a massive part of that is
Speaker 5: that we are the first generation to grow up with
Speaker 5: cell phones and be able to record our history digitally
Speaker 5: every step of the way, so you're able to constantly
Speaker 5: access your past and long for those days where no
Speaker 5: other generation that has ever existed in human history has
Speaker 5: been able to do that. So I think that's a massive,
Speaker 5: a massive reason and kind of a problem where we're
Speaker 5: always living in the past and never in the now.
Speaker 5: I mean, we're all guilty.
Speaker 4: I mean me too.
Speaker 5: I don't know how I got on that, but okay,
Speaker 5: Dirty Don versus Penta for the intercontinental title. Dirty Dom wins. Yeah,
Speaker 5: So okay, DJ, We're five for five on our picks
Speaker 5: and enjoy backlash as well. Happy Mother's Day. Thank you
Speaker 5: for reminding me of that. Yes, Happy Mother's Day to
Speaker 5: all the moms out there. Absolutely all right, So let's
Speaker 5: get to I don't know if I have another one. Actually,
Speaker 5: it might just be a couple of voicemails left, so
Speaker 5: I may be totally wrong, but I'm refreshing here and
Speaker 5: seeing if anybody is inside of Patreon and has any
Speaker 5: messages for me and no, we're good. Okay, So that
Speaker 5: means we're getting to the voicemails. We'll do that right now.
Speaker 3: I's a French guy here, you're current European champion.
Speaker 2: There's been a narrative going on in.
Speaker 3: WWE Executive as well as Triple H Dwayne, all those things,
Speaker 3: and also the fact that they are showing the writer
Speaker 3: room how they write the.
Speaker 2: Story and everything.
Speaker 3: Basically, they've been saying that, Okay, first, it's a story
Speaker 3: you didn't You don't have to take it that seriously, Okay, guys.
Speaker 3: And also that sometimes fans are supposed to act WWA
Speaker 3: the way they wants to. Okay, guys, it's not like that. Okay, WWE,
Speaker 3: you need to chill out. Fans act the way they want.
Speaker 3: Fans act the way they want. If they want to
Speaker 3: cheer some guy that is a heel, they will do so.
Speaker 3: If they cheer a guy, if they boo a face,
Speaker 3: it's the way they are. It's the way they react.
Speaker 3: You're losing the purposes of what is wrestling by saying
Speaker 3: the contrary. Basically, you're saying to people, Okay, guys, you
Speaker 3: need to chill out. You need to enjoy the product
Speaker 3: even if it's bad.
Speaker 7: Okay, no, we're not enjoying the product if it's bad,
Speaker 7: we're not enjoying a telling. If the guy is bad,
Speaker 7: we're not saying the guy. We're not cheering a guy
Speaker 7: if we don't want to. It's definitely this way around.
Speaker 7: It's not the other way around.
Speaker 3: It's not wwe saying, Okay, react this way, Okay, cheer
Speaker 3: and the guys and the fans aren't cheering.
Speaker 8: No, it's not this way. People the way they want.
Speaker 8: And that's a bottom that's the bottom line. That's the
Speaker 8: bottom line. Stop saying things like, Okay, you need to
Speaker 8: chill out, you need to react this way.
Speaker 2: No, it's not that way. People have the way they want.
Speaker 3: And if especially it's especially because it's not that serious,
Speaker 3: then we can be that vocal.
Speaker 2: Then we can be so passionate about that. It's because
Speaker 2: it's a fictional story.
Speaker 9: It's because if we criticize the talent, if we criticize
Speaker 9: a storyline, what happens, then Okay, the guy maybe not
Speaker 9: being pushed, The guy may be released.
Speaker 2: What's the worst that can that can happen?
Speaker 9: Exactly that there's no real consequences to all of us
Speaker 9: reacting the way we are.
Speaker 2: And it's especially because of.
Speaker 9: This that we can do so there's no arm enjoying entertainments,
Speaker 9: there's no arm being vocal about not being satisfied about entertainments.
Speaker 2: That's it, guys, fight Alex.
Speaker 5: I mean you preach, preach brother exactly. This is it's
Speaker 5: when when WWE says these things, they can't honestly believe
Speaker 5: that the fans sitting at home are going to go, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: I've been a bad little fan. Tell me what to
Speaker 5: do and I'll do it. Are you kidding? They have
Speaker 5: to know this will have the opposite effect. It just
Speaker 5: creates more divisiveness, that drives the wedge further between WWE
Speaker 5: and their fans in terms of trust and goodwill, because
Speaker 5: now you've essentially declared war on their free will to
Speaker 5: tell them when something's good or bad. And what it
Speaker 5: is I think is them simply being frustrated with the
Speaker 5: fans not going with what they're producing, especially the bigger
Speaker 5: angles not being happy with it, and their egos being bruised,
Speaker 5: and them telling themselves in these meetings that you know, oh,
Speaker 5: they're so simple, they're fickled, they're you know, the fly
Speaker 5: by the middle of the seat of their pants fans,
Speaker 5: they just yeah, probably insulting our intelligence and times and
Speaker 5: all that. I can imagine what's said behind closed doors
Speaker 5: about us. I'm sure they'll never show that on The
Speaker 5: Unreal Show, but it's to me, the Unreal Show is
Speaker 5: the final It's the final straw breaking k fabes back.
Speaker 5: It just it takes the the fun out of wrestling.
Speaker 5: I understand. No one's forcing you to watch it. I
Speaker 5: understand that you don't. It's not something that's a prerequisite
Speaker 5: to watch any of the programming. You gotta see Unreal
Speaker 5: before you watch any of this, or well, you know
Speaker 5: you're going to be imprisoned. No, but it's the principle
Speaker 5: behind it. It's the idea that they just have no
Speaker 5: shame anymore, that there's just no magic left, there's no
Speaker 5: magic where they just feel we can out of nowhere
Speaker 5: manufacture emotions for a story that we're told before the
Speaker 5: story and after the story that what we just watched
Speaker 5: isn't real, and we're supposed to continually invest our money
Speaker 5: in a product that is that they're telling us, well,
Speaker 5: here's how we made it. No, I don't want to
Speaker 5: see that they have no shame anymore. They can't truly
Speaker 5: believe anyone on earth and thinks pro wrestling is a
Speaker 5: true competitive sport where somebody out there is going, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: that's real. I don't believe it. No, no, no, that's real.
Speaker 5: Don't insult my intelligence or way past that. We're like
Speaker 5: forty years past that, we are decades, and we're generations
Speaker 5: past that. In fact, we've come to a point where
Speaker 5: insulting our intelligence is actually telling us that pro wrestling
Speaker 5: isn't real. Because now you're telling us that what you're
Speaker 5: showing us isn't real. But also invest in us, get
Speaker 5: into the story. React, be loud, but also be loud
Speaker 5: for things you know aren't real, and we'll remind you
Speaker 5: they're not real every chance we get with post shows,
Speaker 5: with the Unreal podca or the unreal documentary docuseries, We're
Speaker 5: going to show you everything. It's incredibly just, it's it's
Speaker 5: narcissistic and also just playing stupid on their part. To
Speaker 5: do that, they're undermining the last little bit of magic
Speaker 5: that there was imagining what's going on in these rooms
Speaker 5: and the discussions of how they plan things. I actually
Speaker 5: don't want to see that because the thing is also
Speaker 5: we are We're only going to see what they want
Speaker 5: us to see. They're not gonna see like truly being
Speaker 5: able to do it would be being able to have
Speaker 5: a live mic where fans have access at any time
Speaker 5: to just go in and listen to the actual meetings
Speaker 5: and go to their Zoom meetings and their whatever other
Speaker 5: boardroom meetings, have a live feed constantly going where they're
Speaker 5: not they don't know that it's going, so we can
Speaker 5: hear truly how things are done and what they say.
Speaker 5: But even that, I wouldn't want. I want some mystery.
Speaker 5: I want some kind of just some kind of magic left.
Speaker 5: And they constantly, at every turn, make sure that they
Speaker 5: don't do that, that they undermine their own product while
Speaker 5: we're watching the product. There's no other form of entertainment
Speaker 5: that does that. No TV show, no movie I know,
Speaker 5: no Broadway show, no local theater show does this. Only
Speaker 5: w W who says they'll do it in the interest
Speaker 5: of not insulting our intelligence while also insulting our intelligence
Speaker 5: by telling us what we're watching isn't real. Do you
Speaker 5: see the insanity here? It's it's uh, its next level
Speaker 5: stupidity or arrogance on their part or their their incessant
Speaker 5: need to make sure that they're not viewed as a
Speaker 5: wrestling company owned by TKO no longer than McMahons. And
Speaker 5: the McMahons had kind of a similar vision, but they
Speaker 5: weren't as you know, outward about it of running from
Speaker 5: the wrestling company term. But there was still some magic there.
Speaker 5: So all right, let's get to h DJ and we'll uh,
Speaker 5: we'll round things out.
Speaker 4: This is DJ coolsmell back at it again on your
Speaker 4: Mailbax show records.
Speaker 2: You live on a widsday board, and you know what
Speaker 2: time it is.
Speaker 5: It's time to see his name, man, he peers.
Speaker 2: I believe Joe Hendry. I believe in Joe Hendry.
Speaker 4: That's right, folks, Joe Hendry is his name. As I
Speaker 4: take it to my forty third episode of the Joid Report,
Speaker 4: L like always come into live from an on this
Speaker 4: closed location. As I take it to a live episode.
Speaker 4: That's right, folks, a live episode of Tina Purslak live
Speaker 4: from Irvin, California. As Joe Hendry opens the show, he
Speaker 4: mentions that he is still your Tday World Champion after
Speaker 4: successfully retaining the championship in the Triple Maine event against
Speaker 4: Frankie Gazarian and eat the page from T Day Rebellion,
Speaker 4: and then the crowd serenades with Happy Birthday Chance because
Speaker 4: it was Joe Hendry's birthday, so shout out to Joe Hendry,
Speaker 4: Happy Birthday brother. It was also the one hundred daymark,
Speaker 4: as Joe Hendry surpasses that mark as the TNA World Champion.
Speaker 4: But after all of those things, he shifts his focus
Speaker 4: back to Trick Williams, the same Trick Williams that attacked
Speaker 4: him at T Day Rebellion, and then he came to
Speaker 4: NXT to call out Trick Williams, but then we got
Speaker 4: Dark State and Ark State beat down on Joe Hendry.
Speaker 4: But on this episode of TJ Parrestling, Joe Hendry calls
Speaker 4: out Trick Williams once again because he has some unfinished
Speaker 4: business with him. Trick Williams music pops up, but then
Speaker 4: we don't see Trick Williams Indarita. We see him on
Speaker 4: the Jumble screen and he says that he's not in
Speaker 4: the bill, but he will be watching the main event
Speaker 4: match and he says, you better be careful because you
Speaker 4: know you got the little booboo that little shoulder injury
Speaker 4: on your right side, so you better be careful. As
Speaker 4: Trick Williams says to Joe Hendry, I will be seeing
Speaker 4: you very soon, and that very soon is later on
Speaker 4: in the show as we fast forward to the main event,
Speaker 4: and this made event was Joe Hendrick and the Hardys
Speaker 4: of Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy versus Frankie Kazariat and
Speaker 4: the Nemett Brothers of Ryan Nemett and Nick Nemett, the
Speaker 4: same Nemett Brothers that defeated the Hardys at TN Rebellion
Speaker 4: to become the new TNA Tag Team Champions. So we
Speaker 4: had this six man tag t match which lasted six
Speaker 4: minutes and forty eight seconds. We fast forward through the
Speaker 4: cost of this main evet match as Joe Henry goes
Speaker 4: for three separate fallaway slams, one to Frankie Gazarian, one
Speaker 4: to Ryan Nemant, and then one to Nick Nemt. As
Speaker 4: he's about to go for the standing ovation choke slam
Speaker 4: on Nick Nemett, here comes Trick Williams as he pulls
Speaker 4: Joe Hendry's leg. Then, as Jeff Hardy's about to go
Speaker 4: for the swan, Tom Baum and he sees Trick Williams
Speaker 4: because of what's going on outside of the ring. He
Speaker 4: gets distracted as Ryan Nemett pulls Jeff Hardy's leg and
Speaker 4: he falls down. And then all of a sudden, here
Speaker 4: comes the finish as none other than Nick Nemetck goes
Speaker 4: for the danger zone and one two three he gets pinned,
Speaker 4: Jeff Hardy gets pinned and FRANKI Gazarian and the nemet
Speaker 4: Brothers get the victory. Now, postmatch, once again we see
Speaker 4: Trick Williams oh for the trick shot on Joe Hendry
Speaker 4: at Lazer Bout. This is the second time that Trick
Speaker 4: Willis does this to Joe Hendry. Now we get an
Speaker 4: announcement that for the next event for tj Pares League,
Speaker 4: which is called T Day under Siege, which will be
Speaker 4: happening on May twenty third, live from Autorio, Canada, it
Speaker 4: will be Trick Williams at Frank GI gazariad versus Joe
Speaker 4: Hendry at Elijah at a tag team match and hopefully,
Speaker 4: just hopefully, Joe Hendry could get his heads on Trick
Speaker 4: Williams and he appeared last night on NXT. Joe Hendry
Speaker 4: was featured on three segments of this episode. The first segment,
Speaker 4: Joe Hendry was included in a six man tag team
Speaker 4: match of Joe Hendry and the NXT Tag Team champions
Speaker 4: Hank in Tank versus Dark State. The three members of
Speaker 4: Dark State Calter James, Dion Ennix and on Cyrus Griffin.
Speaker 4: This match lasted eleven minutes and forty two seconds. As
Speaker 4: we fast forward through the course of this match, after
Speaker 4: the way, Joe Hendry went for the followay slam on
Speaker 4: Colter James and then as he was about to go
Speaker 4: for this standing ovation choke slam on Colter James, here
Speaker 4: comes none of it in Trick Williams as he pulls
Speaker 4: Joe Henry and then Joe Hendry and Trick Williams brought
Speaker 4: outside of the ring into the backstage area. Given dark
Speaker 4: State the three on two advantage on Handkin Tank to
Speaker 4: get the victory via a pop up power bomb from
Speaker 4: Dial Nnix, and then Colter James goes for the cover
Speaker 4: on Tank and one two three Dark State get the victory.
Speaker 4: The second time that we saw Joe Henry on this
Speaker 4: episode was doing the twenty five man Battle Royal Number
Speaker 4: one Contenders match in which the winner would get a
Speaker 4: title opportunity against Obafemi at NXT Battleground which to be
Speaker 4: happening on May twenty fifth. Now, during the course of
Speaker 4: this battle Roy, we got the appearance of not just
Speaker 4: only Joe Henry, Elijah and as he says, who wants
Speaker 4: to walk with Elijah as he came to help out
Speaker 4: his friend Joe Hendry, but as none of the Trick Williams,
Speaker 4: it was eliminating both Rich Holland and Yoshiki. We saw
Speaker 4: Joe Henry up here as his music came on and
Speaker 4: Trick Williams got distracted, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: Elijah eliminates Trick Williams and Trick Williams and Joe Henry
Speaker 4: brawl again as we had the security guards try to
Speaker 4: break these guys apart.
Speaker 2: Now we go to the third and final time that we.
Speaker 4: Saw Joe Henry on this episode of NXT, and that
Speaker 4: was in the backstage area as Ava Rain, the general
Speaker 4: manager of NXT, talking to Joe Henry and saying that
Speaker 4: she has had enough with his issues with him and
Speaker 4: Trick Williams and it needs to come to an end.
Speaker 4: So she spoke to the director authorities at teenage mister
Speaker 4: Santina Morella, and he mentioned that they have agreed to
Speaker 4: book a match of Trick Williams versus Joe Henry that'll
Speaker 4: be happening at NXT Battleground and that next week on
Speaker 4: NXT we're going to have a contract signing where finally,
Speaker 4: just finally, Joe Hendry can get his hands on Shrek Williams.
Speaker 4: Always remember to believe, say his name, Always remember the
Speaker 4: words that Joe Hendry says anytime, any place, at any show,
Speaker 4: and most simplely, most simporly, always remember, due to this
Speaker 4: strong sight sciencing, we believe to her. Once again, this
Speaker 4: is your guy, DJ COULSMO, have a blessed week, b
Speaker 4: kui to one of the stays in my friends, Believe
Speaker 4: and peace.
Speaker 5: You know, DJ, I think the wwe should give us
Speaker 5: some kind of royalty fee or some kind of promotional
Speaker 5: fee for all of the work we've done or you
Speaker 5: have done for letting us know about Joe Hendry. And
Speaker 5: sure we can go watch it ourselves, but let's be honest.
Speaker 5: The majority, the vast majority of fans are not keeping
Speaker 5: up with everything Joe Hendry does until he gets to
Speaker 5: the main run. A lot of times nobody pays attention
Speaker 5: until he gets the main roster, and now you're being
Speaker 5: able to lay the foundational work for when he does.
Speaker 5: And we can not just look at him from when
Speaker 5: he started in WWE, but look at his entire body
Speaker 5: of work prior to w WE, what he did in TNA,
Speaker 5: what do he did with Nicknamath and Trick williams now
Speaker 5: And sure he's been in and out of the main roster,
Speaker 5: but we all know eventually he's landing there and it's
Speaker 5: cool to hear everything he's doing. So thank you DJ.
Speaker 5: Hope you enjoy backlash. I will hopefully be in and
Speaker 5: out of that to discord chat and say hi to everybody,
Speaker 5: and let's get to our final voicemail.
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 10: It's Kyle.
Speaker 6: I want to talk about this Becky Liraus situation. I
Speaker 6: feel like therees that I think Becky kind of needs
Speaker 6: to win, especially the need to but I think whatever
Speaker 6: is he kind of has Toway because I know that
Speaker 6: virus is super old. It means she's getting herself over
Speaker 6: because because she is worked with Becky, I feel like
Speaker 6: if she wins or she retains, then it's like, then,
Speaker 6: what what's next for Lyra's Icy Champion? Ultimately. I mean
Speaker 6: before I work with Becky, she's kind of met nothing
Speaker 6: all that interesting. I can't see her go out, you know,
Speaker 6: faceing doxide Julia. Right now, they're in a tax Tia situation.
Speaker 6: I think they end up going to the end up
Speaker 6: going to do uh brox stadd Julia versus living rotaels
Speaker 6: at the tack teas. I think that's where it's leading to.
Speaker 6: After when Roxas just said Galla last week, so I
Speaker 6: feel like, what's past week? I feel like Bell that's
Speaker 6: it's just the goal here. I feel like it's going
Speaker 6: to be Becky take the title from from uh Lyra
Speaker 6: and that's when Ny'll let have happened. I know that
Speaker 6: Becky as a heal. Is it really entertaining or does it?
Speaker 6: Does it work because it's a natural babyface, but to
Speaker 6: make it, I guess it go either way. If Lyra
Speaker 6: ver tas who did? What does she do after moving
Speaker 6: forward to feet with that is triggering and interesting for
Speaker 6: people to see her champions. I think that's why Becky's
Speaker 6: winning to it to seas going and have Becky seed
Speaker 6: with other baby Seas on the shelf. So I think
Speaker 6: that's what I make the title more agency as well.
Speaker 6: If Becky was the title to get people care about
Speaker 6: that belt. So that's why I feel like, thank he's winning,
Speaker 6: But I say Digital Cross Guy, thanks Kyle.
Speaker 5: No, that's kind of what I was alluding to as well.
Speaker 5: With what happens with Becky. If she loses, you know, like,
Speaker 5: then what I mean, Yeah, the momentum doesn't really make
Speaker 5: sense if she loses, because you have to have Lyra
Speaker 5: continue her momentum as and she's on the rise right now.
Speaker 5: But Becky Lynch also, yeah, where do you go from there?
Speaker 2: If she loses?
Speaker 5: It's like, well, yeah, she loses in and she's a heel,
Speaker 5: so does anyone really care? And as she just alluded
Speaker 5: to it, I did as well. The fact that she's
Speaker 5: a heel doesn't really ever feel natural. It just never will.
Speaker 5: But you know, she's trying and I can appreciate that,
Speaker 5: and she's doing the damn this that she can and
Speaker 5: has learned from her first heel run, so you think
Speaker 5: this one would be better, But that also depends on
Speaker 5: what her plan the w w's plans are for her.
Speaker 5: The best way to maximize the potential of her being
Speaker 5: successful in this second round as a heel is to
Speaker 5: have her as champion and win it in a way
Speaker 5: that is a little bit shady. That's how you do it,
Speaker 5: and have Lyra in chase mode. Baby Faces in chase
Speaker 5: mode almost are always in a better position than when
Speaker 5: they're holding the championship. Just look at Cody Rhodes Exhibit A.
Speaker 5: So many of you wanted Cody Rhods to win the
Speaker 5: championship and WrestleMania forty all the story, the story, the story,
Speaker 5: he does it, and then he had, let's be honest, objective,
Speaker 5: a very underwhelming kind of boring, not bad, just boring.
Speaker 5: One year run with it, name one awesome moment that
Speaker 5: he had as champion. As champion, now there's not a
Speaker 5: lot of those. So oftentimes baby faces in chase mote
Speaker 5: are much more fun. So that's I'm kind of on board,
Speaker 5: So everybody look enjoy Backlash. I'll be on Twitter or
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Speaker 5: the show goes on and give my quick comments and feedback.
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Speaker 5: a month, So I got a really way if that's
Speaker 5: really worth it or not. You do get some pretty
Speaker 5: big perks with you know, some boost invisibility of your
Speaker 5: posts and things, but like, I don't know, that's something
Speaker 5: I'm going to have to decide if that's worth it
Speaker 5: or not anymore, because fifty bucks a month is pretty
Speaker 5: damn significant. Anyway, not my problem, that's not your problem.
Speaker 5: Rather that's mine. I hope everybody enjoys backlash Again, if
Speaker 5: you want to converse with me, I'll try to be
Speaker 5: in the Discord chat a little bit and again on
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Speaker 5: Sunday unless something crazy happens, and of course i'll be
Speaker 5: on late Saturday night and giving my review. So we'll
Speaker 5: have to see how that works out. But I think
Speaker 5: it'll be a fun show. When we come out of it,
Speaker 5: we'll all be, I think, pleasantly surprised at the results
Speaker 5: and the match quality. So everybody, thank you so much.
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