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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout Podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of November fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>we are continuing with Lost Season one, episode eighteen Numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>in which Happy Go Lucky, Good Time Hurley becomes Colonel

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<v Speaker 1>Bloody Kurts and we are introduced to the Numbers, which

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be here there, every freaking where, just

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<v Speaker 1>like Roy Kent from now on, now on, and look

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<v Speaker 1>back Flight eight fifteen wink.

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<v Speaker 2>Wink, yep, yeah, look back, We've they've been with us.

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<v Speaker 2>We just stayed out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. I was reading on Lostpedia, just reminding myself of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole number lore, and they were getting into the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that people were just doing everything they could with

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<v Speaker 1>these numbers. Viewers, If you multiply this one by that one,

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<v Speaker 1>it's this and that's how many hours this thing took,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you do the square root of this number multiplied.

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<v Speaker 1>But they said you can do anything with them. We understand,

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<v Speaker 1>but we don't think that that's all canon. No, calm down, people,

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<v Speaker 1>calm down. But it was fun. It was super fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember at the time to see all the ways

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<v Speaker 1>people were making these numbers significant. So we find out

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode that Hurley can in fact make good

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<v Speaker 1>on his debt to Walt.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, and have a little pocket teams left over.

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<v Speaker 1>He won the lottery and his worth what is it

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<v Speaker 1>he said to Charlie, like one hundred and eighty six

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars, Yeah, something like that. And among the things

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<v Speaker 1>in his portfolio is Wink Wink, a box company in Tustin, California.

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<v Speaker 1>Which part of a box company?

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<v Speaker 2>Do we know somebody who worn't there? Yeah, every next

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<v Speaker 2>gun acted and there's a sneaker factory. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that will come into play at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just all it's all happening. But poor Hurley played

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<v Speaker 1>this particular set of numbers that a fellow inmate of

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<v Speaker 1>a psychiatric institution kept repeating over and over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>So once Hurley got out, he thought, hey, what the heck,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll play those numbers at the lottery and he won,

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<v Speaker 1>and his life quickly went down the toilet because bad

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<v Speaker 1>things happened to everybody around him, not him specific him specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>although he did get or get arrested for being a

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<v Speaker 1>drug dealer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then he then he got got out a

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<v Speaker 2>settlement from the city for so he actually made more

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<v Speaker 2>money off of it. Yes, yeah, it's all people around him.

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<v Speaker 2>His grandfather dies, his mom breaks an ankle.

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<v Speaker 1>Bought for her, is burning down right. I just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>have you heard he was in a plane crush, so

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<v Speaker 1>I have heard that. He goes to see this former

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<v Speaker 1>inmate who gave him the numbers in the first place,

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<v Speaker 1>and he freaks out, you shouldn't have used You've let

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<v Speaker 1>them out of the box. You shouldn't use them. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he goes to see this guy's somebody, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned in like middle of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Ust yeah, right, He follows this trail, this this thread

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<v Speaker 2>that he's been given by this person, which I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for him to even like grasp the words

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<v Speaker 2>that that person was saying and trace them to a

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<v Speaker 2>particular place in the outback was kind of well amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, he was motivated, and number two, he had

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<v Speaker 1>the advantage of TV writers helping him out.

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<v Speaker 2>He did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, location scouts were right on it, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they filmed that part in Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh yeah, maybe maybe on a computer. Did they do

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing yet, because right now you could

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<v Speaker 1>just make that right out of shot beat, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on a computer, But I don't know anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, he tracks down this woman who also is

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<v Speaker 1>And was the other guy's partner in I guess the military,

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<v Speaker 1>and they both heard these numbers, and this unfortunate soul

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<v Speaker 1>played the numbers on a bean counting contest and won,

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<v Speaker 1>and then again similarly, everything went wrong, including his wife

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<v Speaker 1>losing a leg, and he finally shot himself because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about time something bad happened to him. So Hurley

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty sure these numbers are cursed on the way

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<v Speaker 1>back from Australia, his plane crashes, and would you, under

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<v Speaker 1>the circumstances as spooked as he was, would you get

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<v Speaker 1>on a flight eight fifteen. I don't know that you would.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, Yeah, pay attention.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just cash in and get another ticket. Holy cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess he's just thinking of them as individual numbers and

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<v Speaker 1>not as combinations of numbers. But still but that was.

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<v Speaker 2>A combination of two of the numbers in sequence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But uh, and uh, he's been it's he's been

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<v Speaker 1>like like Charlie says, you know, happy, go lucky, good

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<v Speaker 1>time early, and so you expected his flashbacks are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be kind of goofy and fun and silly, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're horrifying, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we shouldn't have had that expectation, right, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So and then he just sets out to

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<v Speaker 1>he sees the numbers on some of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>SAYID has form russo but understandably freaks out to see

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<v Speaker 1>those numbers in this setting. And I guess up to

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<v Speaker 1>now he's just been feeling like, well, I'm just on

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<v Speaker 1>an island, but nobody seems to be dropping dead around me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't see the numbers anywhere, so I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we're okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this is why he's He's with Walt and Lock

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<v Speaker 2>like this is this place is fine and we can

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<v Speaker 1>He's kind of relieved, you know, the pressure is off.

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<v Speaker 1>But then he sees the numbers and it's like here

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<v Speaker 1>we go. Is suddenly action hero Hurley making his way

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<v Speaker 1>through the jungle cannon stopped even by island Dad jack

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<v Speaker 1>right and and said no. They keep telling him, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not for you. This adventure is not for you, guys. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we are the guys who go through the jungle. You

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<v Speaker 1>it's not for you, Hurling, don't go across that bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew he was gonna make it, but even so,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was particularly And then Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>goes across. But I enjoyed how from a parenting point

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<v Speaker 1>of view, you know, when they got to the other

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<v Speaker 1>side and Hurley wants to keep going and Charlie is

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<v Speaker 1>like pretty much saying no. Dad said no. Dad said like, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll come and get you, and uh is totally totally

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<v Speaker 1>dad mode and Charlie is Charlie is bying at the

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<v Speaker 1>hurly is Nope, nope, nope. He's got a mission and

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<v Speaker 1>you can see what he would be driven under the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just so funny to see him doing all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, this is this is not what we've gone dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on right, laughing? Yes, going over a rickety bridge

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<v Speaker 1>and jumping away from a trap? No, so.

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<v Speaker 2>What did he keept me saying I'm spry, I'm spry

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<v Speaker 2>and he was.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, kudos Torge Garcia for making that switch in

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<v Speaker 1>that character to just be so dark and driven all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, right and uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And he knew that he would be able to escape

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<v Speaker 2>the trap because nothing, nothing bad happens to him, Nothing

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<v Speaker 2>bad happens to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't follow too close there, Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's where the problems are.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh but he finally does find Russeau and talk to

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<v Speaker 1>her and find out that she too agrees that the

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers are cursed. Right, so somebody finally believes him,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's a crazy lady out in the jungle tat.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he comes back and he sort of tosses

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<v Speaker 1>the battery to them, right, she says hey and walks off.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack had a smile that looked like like a proud

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<v Speaker 1>dad smile to me, like I expected from that kid.

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<v Speaker 2>But hey, look at that, Hey look at him.

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<v Speaker 1>Go that's my boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, mmmmm so impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so that was all very daddy. There were no

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<v Speaker 1>bad dads in this episode, No dad drop Daddy's just

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<v Speaker 1>no just grandpa. Grandpa didn't do nothing except.

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<v Speaker 2>Except being the wrong place of the round time, oh dear.

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<v Speaker 1>But we did have luck as the kind of dad

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<v Speaker 1>who can build you a cradle and also make glue.

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<v Speaker 2>And build a cradle under your nose while you're helping

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<v Speaker 2>and not realize what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a trap. There's no mars on it.

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<v Speaker 2>That was sweet once we realized what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So so both Island dads weren't full on dad

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<v Speaker 1>mode once one action dad and one you know, tinkering dad.

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<v Speaker 1>But hm, you gotta love it. Yes, And I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how many slacks that babies where they did

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<v Speaker 1>they add up to? Were they regulation?

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<v Speaker 2>I was wondering. I was thinking about, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's all kind of consumer products.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well there was a there was a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a magazine with instructions there in the jungle somewhere. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>had it on the plane. So Grandpa the island, Grandpa.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. Yes, playing back ammon, that's a grampi ish thing,

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know building building the kid a cradle.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm yeah, and you know, receding in favor of

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<v Speaker 2>the actual dad, which he's done a few times. So.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean that baby's arrival has been imminent for

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<v Speaker 2>quite some time.

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<v Speaker 1>And very pregnant for a very long while.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that is generally how it feels. I think

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<v Speaker 2>at the end, you're like, how can this possibly go on?

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<v Speaker 2>And then it does. It just does, so I can

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<v Speaker 2>I can relate to Claire. No, right, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's uh, it's coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, we have We're getting towards the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the first season, so they've got to surely we must

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<v Speaker 2>be getting towards how many episodes are there?

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<v Speaker 1>Loved but this, this is like one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>episodes that really starts digging in on the mythology, whether

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<v Speaker 1>the creators intended that or not. No, right, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is when people started go a little nuts. But also,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean at the end, you see the it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>clear to me what that was at the end, but

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<v Speaker 1>I knew it from before that that was the hatch

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<v Speaker 1>that has the numbers on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I actually rewound to check it and because they did,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, keep it very mysterious. But yes, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>it was the hatch also.

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<v Speaker 1>So there is obviously something bigger going on here than

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<v Speaker 1>just an unfortunate plane crash and a unfortunate scientific mission.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's going to go on from here for quite

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<v Speaker 2>some times.

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<v Speaker 1>This is wheres Yeah, there's one, two, three, four, six

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<v Speaker 2>So wow, that's a lot. I mean, isn't a season

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<v Speaker 2>usually like twenty two?

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<v Speaker 1>This is twenty four plus a recap.

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<v Speaker 2>Numbers twenty four?

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty four? Is that one of the numbers?

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<v Speaker 2>Only four? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>But see probably if you if you h you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do some masks. Yeah, yeah, you can make it work. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So there is that, right, So we still have have

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<v Speaker 1>quite a lot of mischief to get into. Okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>keep getting serious mischief. So next week the episode is

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<v Speaker 1>Dios x Makina and it is a lock flashback episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Little mini spoiler, the Daddy Issues are back. Oh great,

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<v Speaker 1>this was an episode of that Daddy Issues completely They

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<v Speaker 1>missed that We'll see you back here tomorrow discuss shrinking,

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