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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's time for True Crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>The story is true, that's true. No, it sounds made up.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Gerry and Shannon present true Crime.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you've got a Jeffrey Dahmer nugget. We do have

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<v Speaker 3>this woman's claim about her father being a serial killer

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<v Speaker 3>who has four hundred bodies in his wake. But first,

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<v Speaker 3>can we get to jeopardy because it's true crime related? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it?

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I've waited so long. The category is according

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<v Speaker 3>to Black's Law Dictionary for six hundred dollars. Law Dictionary

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<v Speaker 3>allowed in cross examination. It's a question that suggests the

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<v Speaker 3>answer to the person being interrogated.

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<v Speaker 2>So leading question, Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn right, it is objection.

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<v Speaker 2>Council's leading is leading the witness. I'll allow it.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're on a bent fin leash shortly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, then, oh, here's the quick Jeffrey Dahmer story.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw this today.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, there are people who are absolutely weird

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to I don't know if celebrating or

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<v Speaker 1>honoring serial killers the right way to put it. Just

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledging serial killers, and they want to own the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>of the stories. Yeah, they buy up murder rebelia, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's evidence that was originally used in a case, or

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<v Speaker 1>posters about them, or John Wayne Gacy's paintings, things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, David Adamovich is a doctor of education,

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<v Speaker 1>owner of the website Serial Killer murder Abilia. He picked

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<v Speaker 1>up a pair of vintage tipmas seven sorry timmas Z

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven five and a half general style glasses the

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Dahmer war and he said that he paid a

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<v Speaker 1>lot amount a lot of money for it, didn't say

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<v Speaker 1>how much, and that he is one hundred percent convinced

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<v Speaker 1>of the provenance of these glasses, that they didn't change

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<v Speaker 1>hands multiple times. And he said, I've been sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>the in this case for over thirty years, and he says,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a series of lucky events. I was able

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase them and he has them now.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was interviewed about these glasses, he says, what's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting about them is that if you look closely under

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<v Speaker 1>the frames, so in the bottom of the glass under

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<v Speaker 1>the frame here, he says, there's a reasonable amount of crud.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that is all around the glass.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm disgusting again quoting the doctor here.

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<v Speaker 1>My guess is that it isn't chocolate from the chocolate factory,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ambrosia chocolate factory where Jeffrey Dahmer worked. It is

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<v Speaker 1>probably a reasonable guest to say it was blood from

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<v Speaker 1>his victims.

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<v Speaker 3>I had no idea you worked at a chocolate factory

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<v Speaker 3>when you said chocolate. Yeah, well just yeah, sting.

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<v Speaker 2>That's disgusting, it's awful.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why you don't buy Jeffrey Dahmers anything. No, no,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, And imagine needing attention so much that you

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<v Speaker 3>buy Jeffrey Dahmer's glasses and then purport that they have

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<v Speaker 3>human matter on them just to get attention.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're if you're a law enforcement official, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a detective, if you're like a criminologist, if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>profile or something like that, and you study serial killers

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<v Speaker 1>and murderers, you do it because you want to try

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent it in the future, right, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>try to understand why people are doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, what is that guy doing?

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're just getting weird stuff, and you're just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be weird the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>All right. So there was a woman about a month

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<v Speaker 3>ago up in Mendocino who shocked the Internet. She claimed

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<v Speaker 3>here's the quote, I am the daughter of a serial killer.

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<v Speaker 3>She posted black and white photograph of a square jawed

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<v Speaker 3>man sporting black rimmed glasses, a sports coat and a tie.

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<v Speaker 3>And they say that this evoked memories of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>dB Cooper or the Zodiac, kind of that type of sketch.

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<v Speaker 3>She has in her in her own estimation, a trove

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<v Speaker 3>of evidence implicating her father to the murders of four

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<v Speaker 3>hundred people, from taped confessions, supposed burial sites to sadistic

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<v Speaker 3>personal journal entries. She claims, despite all this evidence, the

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<v Speaker 3>cops are ignoring the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is I want to read through this post

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<v Speaker 1>that she put up the middle of March, so the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of last month on Facebook. Galina Trefel is her

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<v Speaker 1>name for so many years. This is again her words

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<v Speaker 1>for so many years now. I've lived a double life,

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<v Speaker 1>carried an impossible secret. This is not a joke. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the cold reality which has been strictly on a

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<v Speaker 1>need to know basis. Now everyone needs to know. I

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<v Speaker 1>am the daughter of a serial killer who knew the

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<v Speaker 1>identities of two other uncaught serial sex killers, Michael Frees

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<v Speaker 1>and Julius Strandhauser. Doctor John Charles trefil. My father has

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<v Speaker 1>admitted for almost a decade, giving a consistent story to

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<v Speaker 1>being a serial killer on tape graphically, Police Department, Sheriff's Department,

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<v Speaker 1>Mendosino County DA's office. They are all aware of his

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<v Speaker 1>concession confessions. This is the secret that the authorities in

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<v Speaker 1>Mendocino County are not sharing with the public. She goes

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<v Speaker 1>on a whole list of things and times that he

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<v Speaker 1>described two law enforcement officers and detectives or in those

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<v Speaker 1>diaries that you refer to from killings that started in

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<v Speaker 1>the fifties and may have gone all the way until

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 3>It should be noted that this woman is a published

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<v Speaker 3>horror writer. Yes, the post that you read was on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 3>It was posted on March thirteenth, so just over a

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<v Speaker 3>month ago. Since then, it's been shared over sixteen thousand times.

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<v Speaker 3>It's prompted more than five thousand comments. Oh, and the

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<v Speaker 3>Mendocino County Sheriff's Office has weighed in as well. They

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<v Speaker 3>say they've conducted an extensive investigation of this woman's claims.

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<v Speaker 3>Hours of interviews with her father, cross referencing as DNA

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<v Speaker 3>with the cold case database that have led detectives to

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<v Speaker 3>one conclusion, there's no evidence John Treyfel has killed anyone,

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<v Speaker 3>let alone hundreds of people.

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't stop her from going through with copious

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of evidence. And we'll talk about some of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that she has posted again about her own father,

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<v Speaker 1>who's still alive. He's eighty six years old.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and here's the thing in her narrative of this,

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<v Speaker 3>there was no discrimination ace race, gender, and he had

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<v Speaker 3>a go to murder weapon. Strycht nine, we are in

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<v Speaker 3>the midst of True Crime Tuesday, and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>a woman who went on Facebook last month and made

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<v Speaker 3>a shocking claim that her father was a serial killer

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<v Speaker 3>and that he was guilty of killing about four hundred people.

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<v Speaker 3>She claimed that she had evidence, taped confessions, burial sites,

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<v Speaker 3>personal journal entries, overwhelming evidence in her estimation. And the

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<v Speaker 3>cops say, listen, we've interviewed the father, we've gone through

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<v Speaker 3>as DNA, we've checked it against the database. There's no

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<v Speaker 3>evidence of any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>So dad, John Trefle, doctor John Treffle was a psychiatrist,

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<v Speaker 1>and the daughter claims that he was once working at

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<v Speaker 1>a San Francisco hospital and at the jail in Lake

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<v Speaker 1>County up in northern California, the latter of which is

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<v Speaker 1>corroborated by some of the newspaper reports at the time

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<v Speaker 1>from nineteen eighty three that refer to a psychiatrist named

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<v Speaker 1>John Treffle that worked at that facility. What they know

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<v Speaker 1>is that he did run a private practice in Mendocino

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<v Speaker 1>County and Lake County until nineteen ninety nine, and according

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<v Speaker 1>to state records, he surrendered his medical license in ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine after some allegations were levered against him, leveled against

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<v Speaker 1>him by the executive director of the medical board that

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<v Speaker 1>he had made romantic advances toward one of his patients,

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<v Speaker 1>forty one year old patient.

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<v Speaker 3>She claims that his hunting grounds when active, stretched across

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<v Speaker 3>the country from Illinois and Virginia to California, Oregon, Idaho,

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<v Speaker 3>that he took his crimes international Canada, France, Netherlands, that

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<v Speaker 3>he had maintained murder cabins Mendocino County, one of them

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<v Speaker 3>dubbed the Tomb, where sixteen women and two men were

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<v Speaker 3>allegedly buried. She says she her father confessed to her

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<v Speaker 3>to being a killer around twenty fifteen, the same time

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<v Speaker 3>he reportedly began showing signs of Parkinson's. He's married, by the.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, Yeah, and when you ask the wife, when you

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<v Speaker 1>ask Candy Trefle, they've been married for forty plus years.

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<v Speaker 1>If her husband is a serial killer, she says absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Again, the craziness is that the daughter has this

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<v Speaker 1>incredible story about her father. She denies that her dad

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<v Speaker 1>ever had Parkinson's and says that he is healthy, that

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<v Speaker 1>he is lucid. Again, he's alive. He's eighty six years old.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said the neurologist actually put it in writing

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<v Speaker 1>that no, he does not have Parkinson's all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back in twenty fifteen, but when asked to provide such documentation,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>She and a victim's advocate have twice a week for

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<v Speaker 3>nearly a year, gone to his skilled nursing facility and

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<v Speaker 3>taped him talking about all of this. I guess we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if he knew he was being recorded. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's neither here nor there. Who cares. But she

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<v Speaker 3>said that she contrasted her efforts to document her father's

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<v Speaker 3>alleged crimes with those of local law enforcement, who, she said,

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<v Speaker 3>refused to talk to him for a decade while he

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<v Speaker 3>described torturing and sexually assaulting young women. They refuse to

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<v Speaker 3>do their job. The sheriff up there disagrees. He says

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<v Speaker 3>that a couple of years ago, investigators got their hands

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<v Speaker 3>on recordings of the nursing home conversations, the journals and

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<v Speaker 3>all of that. And he explained that that victim advocate

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<v Speaker 3>posed as a documentary filmmaker, digging into this guy's crimes

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<v Speaker 3>a ruse, but that after nearly ten hours of footage,

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<v Speaker 3>nothing solid emerged.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, part of it was because he doctor John was

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<v Speaker 1>mumbling through these responses. I mean, he's eighty six years old.

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<v Speaker 1>If he has Parkinson's or has had Parkinson's for ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he probably is not very communicative. And the

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff said, isn't it strange that Galina, the daughter, is

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<v Speaker 1>the only person who speaks Dad, that his detectives did

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<v Speaker 1>interrogate doctor John Trevel through a proxy rather than their

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<v Speaker 1>own detectives, adding the interrogation didn't have anything conclusive, no

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of any wrongdoing.

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<v Speaker 3>They went to all of those sites, those murder cabins

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<v Speaker 3>and the things we talked about. He said, none of

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<v Speaker 3>those things produced any leads. They didn't find any victims

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<v Speaker 3>buried there. She also claims her father was behind a

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<v Speaker 3>specific cold case from nineteen seventy four, one that the

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<v Speaker 3>sheriff confirmed had DNA evidence associated with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators did get a warrant to test the dad's DNA

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<v Speaker 1>to test the daughter's story, but there wasn't a match.

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<v Speaker 1>The DNA went into COTIS, the Combined DNA Index System,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the national crime database. And despite the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the daughter says that her dad is the most

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<v Speaker 1>prolific serial killer in American history North American history, with

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<v Speaker 1>bodies all over the place, not one hit on any

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<v Speaker 1>unsolved case in codis now you mentioned that the murder weapon,

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<v Speaker 1>the specific weapon that she believes that her dad used,

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<v Speaker 1>was poison. That that was the thing that he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to use over and over again. In one post,

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<v Speaker 1>she shared a photo of a weathered antique little bottle

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<v Speaker 1>that just literally has the word poison on it. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it says strychnine. Also, she says that her dad

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<v Speaker 1>kept that STRYC nine in his medicine bag. But you

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<v Speaker 1>and I could buy a bottle or empty I hope.

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<v Speaker 1>But you and I could buy a bottle of strychnine

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<v Speaker 1>labeled poison like that off of eBay.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, so none of that is a guarantee.

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<v Speaker 3>Many of her allegations they're tied to specific landmarks. Up

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<v Speaker 3>in northern California. She insists her father buried victims along

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<v Speaker 3>the winding thirteen Curves stretch of Highway twenty in Medicino County.

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<v Speaker 3>Very hyper specific if you know the area. They say

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<v Speaker 3>it adds of an ear of credibility for the amateur

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<v Speaker 3>detectives who have been following her posts. And my goodness,

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<v Speaker 3>haven't they in troves?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>This is I mean, this narrative that she has about

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<v Speaker 1>her dad being a serial killer takes place in a

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<v Speaker 1>very rural area up where that top left quarter of California.

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<v Speaker 1>The coast there is beautiful, but it's also home to

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of missing persons and unsolved murders. And they

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<v Speaker 1>talk about I think It's Death Mountain was a documentary

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<v Speaker 1>that came out several years ago about the unregulated cannabis

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<v Speaker 1>economy that is trying to be regulated and how dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>that thing has been for the last quarter three quarters

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<v Speaker 1>of a century, leaving behind buried bodies, and her story

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<v Speaker 1>fits very well with the dark past of that area

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<v Speaker 1>and She claims that her dad confessed to the Santa

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<v Speaker 1>Rosa hitchhiker murders and even at one point admitted that

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<v Speaker 1>he was the Zodiac killer. But remember this, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>she is a horror author, and she told San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>Chronicle that's true. I know that people won't want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that, but and this is the key for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a horribly abusive childhood and that's how I vent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Nos, I was going to say, what was the

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<v Speaker 3>relationship like between this woman and her parents, her mother,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, who I wanted to hear more from,

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<v Speaker 3>because Mom's only quote in this story up until now

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<v Speaker 3>was he's not a serious absolutely not when asked was

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<v Speaker 3>your husband or is your husband a serial killer? Mom

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<v Speaker 3>went on to say that the daughter's creating the story

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<v Speaker 3>of about her father because she likes attention more than most.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very sad, too bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Call your parents all your kids, give them a hug,

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<v Speaker 3>tell them you love them.

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<v Speaker 2>Do all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe talk about sex, depending on what how old they

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<v Speaker 1>are and if they know anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So right, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not getting into that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw who you were talking about earlier. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think. I didn't say anything. You didn't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but I didn't have to say anything, did I.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah,