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This week on Softcore History, tariffs are in the news.

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So we're talking about the dumbest tariff in American history,

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A tariff so wrought with idiots thinking they were playing

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four D chess that the outcomes were exactly what you

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would expect. Everyone got worse off. We're talking about the

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Tariff of Abominations in eighteen twenty eight. You will not

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believe how stupid every single person is in this story.

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Welcome to Softcore History.

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Speaker 2: What is up?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Softcore History. I am yours for the week,

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Rob Fox, joined as always by Dan Regester. Rob.

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Speaker 2: I want you to know you were cared for, You

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are loved.

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Speaker 1: So did did I not look okay walking into the

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studio today?

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Speaker 2: And if you get a phone call about financing a

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jet ski ignore it?

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Speaker 1: Did you steal my identity? Don't worry about it, or

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did you like add me as a co signer without

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me knowing?

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Speaker 2: Don't worry about it, okay, I mean I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know with you because literally all of your income

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is disposable.

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Speaker 2: I try to wash it as much as possible. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you pay with cash for a jet ski

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everywhere I go.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's under your name.

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Speaker 1: Right, the loan, the payday loan was under my name.

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Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta a check receipt or what do

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you call it, You gotta a check stub and say

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it's fraudulent, and you know that's something. Wipe it off.

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Speaker 1: The economy works. Actually, if you just call your bank

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and you're like, I didn't spend that eight thousand dollars though.

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Speaker 2: But can you wait sixty days? Please?

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Speaker 1: As long as you need. Okay, as long as you need.

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But yeah, that's for money's free if you if you steal.

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Speaker 2: It, they're gonna come poking around to your place anyway. Probably, No, No,

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that's the address I gave. So, oh yeah, what's my address? Uh,

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you want me to say it on air?

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't.

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Speaker 2: I guess I because it's not the company address.

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Speaker 1: But I yeah, that's true. Yes, it is, which is sweet.

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So someone will be coming around my place anyway. If

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we say something that makes someone too angry, well it's

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gonna be a repo man, softcore history LLC.

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Speaker 2: Just google that someone shows up to my house. I'm

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giving too much information on how to do that anyway,

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But a dedicated murderer would already know this, so it's

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I'm not really giving away anything. Perhaps my foot guy,

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the person I sold feet photos. I don't live there.

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My feet don't His feet don't live there. His feet

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don't live there. I live there, his feet don't live there,

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So don't go to there. Wants me to pop out

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of a cake for his birthday. Feet first offer me

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three thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: That's not enough.

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Speaker 2: It's not enough.

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Speaker 1: That's are you kidding me to pop out of us

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stranger's cake?

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Speaker 2: Never meet your stalkers?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's rule. Everyone knows that. That

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saying is so obvious. It's not a saying like there's

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people will always never believe. They'll always people that'll never believe.

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Never meet your heroes. No one has ever been under

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the illusion that it might be okay to meet your stalker.

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Speaker 2: Well, they say, confront your problems head on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing to fear is fear itself. If

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you're not afraid of the stalker, you can't kill you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If I pop out that cake face first.

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Speaker 1: Head on, head on, probably should have thrown his in

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in before the show's but we'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Don't do it at all. You sound like a mumbling fool.

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Speaker 1: But my points are so much better.

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Speaker 2: They're not. They're so much better. You get down a

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really bad, nicotine riddled.

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Speaker 1: Rabbit hole, do I I'm just like nah, he spas out,

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just getting a weird shit. I need to pass out

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today because I walked into the office or the studio

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whatever the fuck? Absolutely, dad, I'm feeling good now.

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Speaker 2: It's your choice slam three children.

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Speaker 1: I know my body, my choice. I could leave them.

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I could still do the show, but leave them.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to pay child support either.

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Speaker 1: That's also another common myth. The government will do it eventually.

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Speaker 2: It's your choice to pay child sport. Yeah, you can

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opt out.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, gonna stay like Texas. I feel like a good

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away with it.

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Speaker 2: So no, you can, as long as you promise not

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to see them ever again.

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Speaker 1: Oh is that how that works. Yeah, I was an

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easy out.

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Speaker 2: You're paying to see your kids?

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Speaker 1: Oh, well, what do you know?

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Speaker 2: M huh, that's why I have like twelve kids around

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the country. You don't know about it.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like you barely know about it.

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Speaker 2: I can't, I legally can't. You forfeited your right m

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h And they're gonna have a simple a team to avenge.

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I guess they're childhoods. Yeah, they're gonna kill me in

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cold blood.

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Speaker 1: They're fatherless childhood Well, fatherless are the killers, so it

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makes sense. Might as well kill their their dads who

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aren't there.

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Speaker 2: But I'll look up in that pull of blood, proud, proud.

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Speaker 1: That they you became men.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome for that chip on your shoulder. Yeah. I

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gave you.

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Speaker 1: Something, a purpose with my absence. I could never give

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you with my presence.

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Speaker 2: A comment in me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, motivated you beyond all. And then they just shoot

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you five more times in the face. Pop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I want to go out though, Shot

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five times in the face. Yeah, bastard kids by your

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well yeah, fair enough. Can you think of a more

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magical and you know, enchanting way to lose your life?

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Speaker 1: I don't know crucifixion.

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Speaker 2: They can crucify me too. That'd be pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: That would be funny if they did. Uh.

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Speaker 2: So my sister got engaged this weekend. Congratulations to her

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and her fiance. I am going to marry them though, So, oh,

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are you the chaplain? I'm the chaplain. I gotta get

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my idiot ordained. I guess online. But I requested to

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dress like the pope and uh do the entire mass

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in Latin?

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Speaker 1: And what did they say to that?

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Speaker 2: They said, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: You should have. I'll do it. By the way, as

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if you dress as the Pope, I will go to

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the wedding as your right hand man in a Swiss

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was thinking you and Jake could just pop

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in as the Boondock Saints.

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Speaker 1: I hate that movie.

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Speaker 2: Why do you hate that?

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Speaker 1: It's an awful movie.

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Speaker 2: It's a cult classic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, buy Morons, send us our podcast like idiots hate? Yeah,

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a cult classic that love. Buy Moron by Morons. Yeah, yeah,

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pretty much. I shouldn't shoot on it.

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Speaker 2: At least that's how we justify doing the show every week.

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Speaker 1: We literally right before Dan was like, how we keep

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doing this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? When do we quit when is it not worth?

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Speaker 1: Like never? I need the money.

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Speaker 2: So it's doing just well enough to not be able

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to quit.

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Speaker 1: It's an enough money that you can't you can't walk

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away from it. No, but you also can't live on it.

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We're like chained by this show. Things are going financially great.

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Speaker 2: It's our personal prison.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about some fun financial stuff today.

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Speaker 2: Cool, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: We're talking tariffs. Baby. Oh man. You read the news lately,

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you hear about this, you see about this.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's a good pivot or transition from winter

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themed episodes because they do not do well. Apparently our

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audience hates the winner. Yeah. No, no, it's April. It's

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still snowing around the country here and there.

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Speaker 1: It's chilly here.

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Speaker 2: It got really cold. This weekend is weird. Yeah, but yeah,

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the Blue Man episode, which I thought was pretty good,

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did not do that well. The Balto episode is a

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lovable dog, A dog saved an entire town. Nobody wanted

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to hear about it.

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Speaker 1: People say they like dogs.

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Speaker 2: But then you give them a dog episode and they don't.

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Speaker 1: They don't care. Well, the problem is they never see

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a dog. They don't want to hear you talk. You

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want to hear someone talk about their dog?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, I'll talk about the funniest thing the other day.

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He like grabbed a curtain because he thought it was

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like a person, and he was like get out, But

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it was just a curtain. You want to hear that

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story for twenty minutes.

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Speaker 2: It's probably better than their existence.

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Speaker 1: What the person's existence?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean that's probably the highlight of their week.

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Speaker 1: Well, if someone's telling you that story, it seems certainly

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is the highlight of their week.

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Speaker 2: And tell me about their accountant job.

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Speaker 1: They have an accountant job. They're having a good time.

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Speaker 2: Where they're working in software sales. Yeah, that's did you

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meet your Q one goals? Boys and gals?

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Speaker 1: What would you rather hear about someone's fantasy team or

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their job?

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Speaker 2: Their job? Because I can at least get a better

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understanding of essentially what their entire life is their fantasy team.

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It does not interest me because A I hate fantasy

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sports and B I hate fantasy sports.

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Speaker 1: If someone tells you about their fantasy team, you immediately

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know what their life is.

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Speaker 2: It's it bleats pretty sadly.

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Speaker 1: They just come walk up to you and they're like, dude,

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you got my draft. I like third round and like,

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you know, dude, Mahomes was still there. It's just like all.

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Speaker 2: Right, because it's typically dudes that are playing for like

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a I don't know, four hundred dollars end of season

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pot or.

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Speaker 1: Just some stupid fucking trophy that them and their friends made.

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Speaker 2: Not having to do anything embarrassing by finishing in last place.

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Speaker 1: I there's no part of me at thirty nine that

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would be like, yeah, the only thing that I took

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my wiener in and walk around to playground.

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Speaker 2: Is appealing about a fantasy league, though, is going on

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a boys trip and having the draft. That's fun because

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you can kind of base an entire weekend on that.

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Maybe go golf, just.

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Speaker 1: Go just do it for like the first round of

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March Madness. Just go to a state with sports gameling

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and go to a casino, go to Vegas. Well, I

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can go to a bunch of different places. You go

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to New Orleans for that too. You can go to

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the fucking hairs right off Bourbon. I don't care watch

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games all.

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Speaker 2: Day, sure, yeah, although I don't think they give you

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free drinks for sports gambling, no, which they don't, which

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is like half the point of going to casino and

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gambling for me, make a whole weekend in Vegas. So

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they got golf. Obviously the casinos can go to the sphere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're obsessed with the sphere.

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Speaker 2: It's the best thing we've created in modern It's our

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pyramid time, it's our pyramid. It's way cooler than the pyramids.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I personally believe that humans didn't build the sphere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people didn't build this.

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Speaker 2: It was automation.

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Speaker 1: Did you who did you see building it? Did you ever?

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I never saw a single construction photo of the sphere.

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Who's is there? One day?

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Speaker 2: Hm?

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Speaker 1: That is a spaceship that land landed and they ghastly.

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You pyramids are by Egyptians.

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Speaker 2: So uh.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, we're talking tariffs today because they're in the news,

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but we're not talking current tariffs. Obviously, why the fuck

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we do that. But tariffs have a long history in

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the United States, mostly of pissing people off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they typically are not well received.

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Speaker 1: No. One of the things you'll hear from a lot

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of Confederate apologists is when they're talking about the Civil

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War is that it wasn't caused by slavery.

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Speaker 2: It was caused by state draft.

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Speaker 1: I'm tariffs. It's a tariffs man, it's all the tariffs

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wouldn't slavery was none of that.

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Speaker 2: It was a terroriffs.

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Speaker 1: The thing about that excuse, though, or that reasoning, is.

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Speaker 2: That it's bullshit.

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Speaker 1: It's not not accurate in any way whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Now we're too damn Yankees, so of course we're gonna

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side against that shit.

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Speaker 1: It's all, well, I get into it. I'm not just

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gonna leave it at that.

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Speaker 2: All I gotta say is take that l boys, hold it.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, though it is mostly bullshit, they're not

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totally wrong.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the South's more upset about losing

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the Civil War or the last two national championship?

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Speaker 1: Well, now the Natties, that's that's a fresh wound. Back

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to back hears to Yankee states.

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Speaker 2: It's unfortunate, right, it's.

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Speaker 1: Not even a border state, not even like Maryland or

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Missouri or Kentucky, which will never win up.

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Speaker 2: It's always been Ohio versus South. Kinda Grant was from Ohio,

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so tells you all you need to know, Ohio strikes again.

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Speaker 1: Didn't even beat an SEC.

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Speaker 2: Team though didn't have to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I mean they did beat SEC teams

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at least one SEC team on the way, but yeah,

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they't they didn't win, they didn't play them in the Natty.

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The people who talk about tariffs but they're they're full

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of shit, but they're not totally wrong. Tariffs did help.

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between North and South, Like it was one of the

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big things that they got pissed off at each other

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for before the events leading up to the Civil War.

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It helped kind of draw the line, but it was

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not tariffs. But the reason the South was very mad

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about tariffs really just goes back into that it made

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slavery less profitable. It was hurting their system, the bottom line.

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It was hurting there. It was hurting their bottom line,

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but it was also hurting their system in general, their

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way of life. It was hurting that because everything for

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and oligarchy and the rich landowners running things. Because as

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fucked as black people were in the South, which is

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their number one. Every white person who wasn't a landholder

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was just like, not almost as fucked as black people,

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but fucked pretty well themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we guess slavery. Why don't they just bring in

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a bunch of indentured servants from Ireland?

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Speaker 1: With those people there much of papist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're expendable.

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Speaker 1: They didn't like them though. They didn't want that. They

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didn't want the Irish because they were they were expendable.

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Where they were free, they might be able to get

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up to what they wanted to.

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Speaker 2: You could kill them and no one no sign their

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signature which was just a giant X on the dotted line,

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and you could do whatever you want to do.

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Speaker 1: Believe it's a clover for the Irish.

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Speaker 2: They would draw a clover three leaf for four four obviously. Nah,

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they weren't that lucky.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the irony lucky the We said it before

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in the show a long time ago, that luck of

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the Irish is actually a cruel joke, like calling a

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big guy tiny or something.

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Speaker 2: We're also incredibly dumb. I have a clover on my back.

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It is not four leaves. Yeah, why did I do that?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I gave myself a three leaf clover on my back.

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Speaker 1: I just drew a weed on your back. Why didn't

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put a dandelion?

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Speaker 2: I have a shamrock. That's not a four leaf clover.

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I'm tardy.

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Speaker 1: Can you get one? Just put in there.

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Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna get the celts across with the clover

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covered up at some point because it's a tattoo I

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got when I was fucking seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Just get it removed.

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Speaker 2: No, I'd rather get a cover up. Okay, it's way easier.

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Is it's invasive? Like, you know how hard it is

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to get tattoos removed.

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Speaker 1: I don't how many.

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Speaker 2: It hurts too?

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Speaker 1: Have many? I haven't paid someone eight hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: To draw on me. Well this is a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I was being generously, but.

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Speaker 2: The tattoo in my back was like, I don't know,

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a hundred bucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got that on like a pier right a

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on the boardwalk.

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Speaker 2: No, it was a franchised tattoo shop. Okay, I thought

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you did it on your like an RC tats. So

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you don't like your senior weekend? Did you get a

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tat on your senior week Now? I did get my

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frat tat to get a beer discount.

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Speaker 1: I know, we all know the story of the frat tat.

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Speaker 2: At a liquor store. You still get it if I

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go to Twin Liquors in the Greater UCF area, Yeah, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, if we're ever there, I'm like, hey man, we're

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going to scan it. Yeah, I'm like, we're gonna go

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see if that works. Still, some guys can be like,

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what the fuck are you talking?

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Speaker 2: The guy's probably gone, yeah, like app like dead.

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Speaker 1: So it really, it really all does go back to

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slavery and racism for how the South works, even like

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they were mad about tariffs. But don't don't ever let

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anyone fool you on that, and you don't have to

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trust me on it. You can just read their constitution

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which says no bill of attainder ex post fascino law,

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expost factor law, or law denying or impairing the right

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of property in negro slaves, shall we passed? Or you

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can ask the Confederate Vice President Alexander Stevens in his

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speech which was called the Cornerstone Speech, which was basically

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what they what the Confederacy can considered that him just

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laying it out like here's why we're doing this shit, man,

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he wrote, Our new government is founded upon the great

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truth that the Negro is not equal to the white man,

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that slavery, subordination to the superior race is his natural

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and normal condition.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna cut that clip with no contact. Yeah, yeah,

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please do just so we can maybe bring in another audience.

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It's not the one we want, but it rarely is.

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Speaker 1: Look, money's money, I guess at this point, just put

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it out there. See if anyone's like, oh, it's making

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some sense and he sounds real articulate.

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Speaker 2: Like it ain't even we just get it in a

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giant spike from northern Idaho. What are those dudes that.

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Speaker 1: Are like, think everything's maritime law.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: There's like some people that think like we're technically governed

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by the Navy or something weird like that. I wish

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I don't wish I knew more.

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Speaker 2: Actually, you thought of this in Idaho. You know they're

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up there there are a landlocked states.

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Speaker 1: I understand that they're not well people.

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Speaker 2: They're living by the rules of the ocean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not well people. I'm fucking telling you. It's

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a real fucking thing, man.

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Speaker 2: They're just building pirate ships up there. Yeah, so he'd

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over that speech and that was kind of like the

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whole like it was basically their declaration of independence.

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Speaker 1: There were not There was not. Actually I didn't know this.

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There was not an independent declaration like an encompassing declaration

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of independence for the Confederacy states gave theirs though Texas wrote,

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which is fun, we hold as undeniable truths that the

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government of the various states and of the Confederacy itself

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were established exclusively by the white race for themselves and

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their posterity, that the African race has no agency in

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their establishment, and that they were rightfully held and regarded

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as an inferior and dependent race. Missippi said it advocates

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the equality of the white race and the black races,

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a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the

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experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations

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of divine law.

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Speaker 2: Never care what Mississippi has to say.

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not ever super important. And I extend

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that all the way to current college sports.

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Speaker 2: Of course, where was Jefferson Davis from Texas? I thought

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it was a see for a Virginia Boys.

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Speaker 1: Union, but I could be wrong about that. He was Kentucky.

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He was born in Kentucky, but he was a rep

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from Misissippi. Okay, so he was probably really a Misissippian

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by culture.

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Speaker 2: I guess you could know much about him.

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Speaker 1: We should do some time. Yeah, he was one of

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the dudes that led that. We did an episode on

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the little West Point Rebellion, like the drunken Rebellion at

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West Point. Yeah, he was part of that. So always

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getting up to stuff.

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Speaker 2: That one a little scamp, a bit more of a

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troublemaker than Robert E.

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Speaker 1: Lee. Ye fucking boner.

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Speaker 2: Seems like a better time because Lee was a nerd.

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Speaker 1: No one said Jefferson Davis was a bad hang and

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I'm not here to declare that on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I know nothing about the men.

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Speaker 1: I guess tbd. But could he let a rebellion about

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getting wasted at college? I'll give him. I'll give him

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some points. Yeah, and again, Lee was a fucking nerd.

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Speaker 2: But Lee's dad, though, was a bit of a badass, right,

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uh is a part of the Revolutionary War, was.

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Speaker 1: His grandpa, Lighthorse Harry. Yeah, he was a badass, but

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I think that was his Oh no, no, yeah, this

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is bad dad. Yeah yeah, yeah, he was a badass,

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one of our great cavalry commanders in the American Revolution.

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Speaker 2: It's toll an episode and hand we should.

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Speaker 1: He's the better, he's superior, abs betterly, So that all

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of that is just to say when they talk about

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the tariff stuff like, well, it wasn't about slavery. They're

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putting this in their official documents and their uh foundational

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you know, writings and stuff like that. They're like, no,

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it's about it's about that black people suck and they

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should be our slaves. That's why we're fighting. However, there

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were problems with tariffs that kind of are hilarious in

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that everyone everyone in this situation is a fuck asshole.

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Speaker 2: They're getting hit with teriffs by anything made with slave labor.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, nothing like that.

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Speaker 2: How are they affected by tariffs?

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Speaker 1: Then let me get into it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's what this episode is about. Get to the point, Doug,

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do you want to talk about you jet ski? Bore?

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We could so it's technically our jet ski. I guess, so, well,

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it's your jet ski. It's seems like it's mine. It's

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in my possession.

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Speaker 1: That's the nine tenths of the law, and the one

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tenth that isn't That part.

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Speaker 2: Of the law is financially. Your response, that's.

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Speaker 1: The one tenth is the financial part that I have

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to pay, but.

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Speaker 2: You won't it. But I have the fun. Yeah, you pay,

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I play.

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Speaker 1: Look, the law is the law. I can't argue it,

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and I won't.

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Speaker 2: All right, I respect the law. I think it's a

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good financial decision. I guess, so I.

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Speaker 1: Guess if I pay it off, maybe my credit will

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be you know, like, wow, that guy pays his debts.

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Speaker 2: Just ignore it, or that.

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00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: A rebootman comes. I'm like, you can look for the

471
00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:59,920
jet ski. It's not here, Bud, like you, I trust me.

472
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,039
I wish it was here because I want you to

473
00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:05,799
take it. But it's not and you'll never find it.

474
00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:08,440
And he won't tell me word it. No, it's not

475
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:09,960
a lake in the oirande.

476
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 2: Lake Austin just ripping it?

477
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 1: Are they do they allow? I don't think they do.

478
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,759
Speaker 2: I don't care.

479
00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: Fair enough, you're already outside the law on.

480
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,839
Speaker 2: It, my rebel without a cause. It doesn't Yeah, it

481
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,599
doesn't fuck it matter. I'm just gonna be listening to

482
00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:27,920
free bird, just reving it up, taking out people on

483
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,759
paddle boards. Oh so you're a ladybird, Now you go

484
00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:34,359
on ladybird lake. I love that. Someone should just do that,

485
00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:36,039
hitting up the sandbar, just.

486
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,759
Speaker 1: Taking absolute engined water machine, just spraying these fools with

487
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,880
fucking toxic water. There's like an algae bloom and you

488
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,160
just go up next to a bunch of dogs and.

489
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:55,039
Speaker 2: Side splash, sidelash homeless dude taking a ship on the side.

490
00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: Of the lake, toss it back at him.

491
00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, right in his face.

492
00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:02,799
Speaker 1: I mean his as soon as he takes a dump

493
00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:05,039
in the lake, it's indistinguishable from the lake.

494
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,319
Speaker 2: He's getting covered with brown water. It's all shit. It's

495
00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,000
all shit at this point, shit all the way down.

496
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,319
Speaker 1: And then some breed bar. Yeah. So again, it wasn't tariffs,

497
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,000
especially not tariffs that were passed. This is the important

498
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,440
part too, when they talk about tariffs, tariffs that were

499
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,400
passed thirty three years before.

500
00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: The Civil war started. To keep that in mind, we

501
00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:31,519
like it was the tariffs.

502
00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: Oh, it must have happened like what, ten months before

503
00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:35,519
the Civil war and that's where about.

504
00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 2: No, it was thirty three years before the fucking Civil war.

505
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: But the tariffs did so, and the tariffs were talking

506
00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:45,519
about or the tariff. I suppose it's one big tariff.

507
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:51,799
It was called the Tariff of Abominations and it was

508
00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:54,440
passed in eighteen twenty eight.

509
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: We do not negotiate with tariffs, with tiff terrofists.

510
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: That'd be a good branding if any politician was smart.

511
00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:02,839
Speaker 2: Enough to do that.

512
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: Listen here, ram like like a European or Chinese like,

513
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,160
we don't negotiate with terrorifts.

514
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, terriff terrofists. Macrone just comes out with that.

515
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: That would that that'd be fire mm hmm.

516
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 2: But he's not smart enough to do that.

517
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: Nope, certainly not. He married a woman three times his age,

518
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,599
fucking idiot. B Now granted he's French, so I assume

519
00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:26,759
he has a parade of teenage mistresses.

520
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: But dudes and dudes. Yeah, I just said teenage mistresses.

521
00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:37,319
A twink can be a mistress, so either way it works. Yeah.

522
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,319
Speaker 1: This was not the first tariff in US history, of course, Uh,

523
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:45,119
just one of the most egregious. And I I am

524
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,359
serious when I say this. When this, when Southerners tell you,

525
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:51,240
oh it was a terrorist, man, they're full of shit,

526
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,200
but they are not wrong.

527
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: I've never heard a Southerner but that is the terrorists.

528
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: Oh boy, you're not. You don't meet people I meet?

529
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: Then, No, I meet way less educated Southerner, I guess,

530
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:03,759
but you have to.

531
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:05,799
Speaker 1: You can only there's like a hard ceiling on the

532
00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:08,839
on the education of them to talk about tariffs, Like

533
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,880
they're not intelligent enough to realize, like I guess even

534
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,119
read the Confederate Constitution or anything. But they are intelligent

535
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,319
enough to like pull that try to like try to

536
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,799
make that work, you know what I mean, these tariffs.

537
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:26,799
Speaker 2: Their brain must be in a pretzel right now. Then, Oh,

538
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,079
if that's the defense.

539
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: Tariffs, that's one thing I was gonna say the event

540
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:35,440
diagram of people who probably love the Trump tariffs and

541
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,359
then talk about how these tariffs of eighteen twenty eight

542
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,119
were bullshit and fucked over the economy and made the

543
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:50,000
South what a se seed. It's it's a circle.

544
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: Eighteen twenty eight, eighteen twenty eight. This is Jackson, Adams

545
00:25:53,880 --> 00:26:00,559
and Jackson. This is part yeah q que Quincy.

546
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: This is part of the nullification crisis under Jackson. But

547
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:07,279
Adams signed it in a law and we'll get to that.

548
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,839
Because Jackson won the eighteen twenty eight election, but obviously

549
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:14,279
took over in eighteen twenty nine. Not the first tariff,

550
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:16,839
They've been tariffs since the started of the United States.

551
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,839
The eighteen twenty eight tariff was in part a series

552
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,319
of tariffs that began after the War of eighteen twelve

553
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:27,759
and the Napoleonic Wars. Those tariffs were put in place

554
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,680
because essentially, during the Napoleonic Wars, Britain was like and

555
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,599
Britain was the manufacturing hub of the world. Basically at

556
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:39,039
this point Britain was like, ah, fuck, we can't sell

557
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:42,920
our shit to Europe anymore because it's on fire. Yeah,

558
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:50,359
so we in New Market, we were a growing industrial country,

559
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,079
a growing consumer economy, So they turned around started selling

560
00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:01,839
us this fuck American manufacturers who were not as developed

561
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,920
as I mean, Britain was already in full Industrial revolution.

562
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000
We were catching up at this point. So our manufacturing

563
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:14,480
capacity and our manufacturing technology could not match what Britain had.

564
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:18,519
So to protect the manufacturers who were almost exclusively in

565
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:22,000
the North, a protective tariff was put in place in

566
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:25,279
eighteen sixteen, and then the rates were increased in eighteen

567
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:31,319
twenty four. This was specifically done to protect American industry,

568
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:37,960
which almost exclusively helped the North for all intents and purposes,

569
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:44,079
exclusively helped the North at the detriment of the South.

570
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:47,599
Speaker 2: To the detriment what English imports was the South like

571
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:48,279
relying on.

572
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: All kinds of shit machine parts and stuff like that.

573
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,880
Like they didn't the South didn't make anything. The South

574
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,599
was agrarian, so they had raw goods. They had cotton,

575
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,759
they had tobacco, cash, crept stuff like that. What they

576
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:05,640
needed was shit plows, yeah, all kinds of stuff like that.

577
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,640
Things too. Like now, they would either ship it raw

578
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,480
back to England, right so for the for English textile

579
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:15,039
mills and stuff like that to handle, or they would

580
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:18,279
send it to or they would get it to a

581
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,480
point themselves and then send it to the North or

582
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,640
send it to England or whatever. Although the South was

583
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,640
extremely undermodernized, like it was not a modernized place at all,

584
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,200
and we'll get to that. But one thing they were

585
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,240
able to do too is just almost like exchange the

586
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,400
cotton still at a profit for these you know, whatever

587
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,279
machinery or whatever else they needed. Okay, so they could

588
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:44,480
get cheap goods, harvest their shit for cheaper and then

589
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,400
sell it it was. It was a free market economy

590
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,480
minus the slavery.

591
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:51,519
Speaker 2: This is kind of why they side with the South

592
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:52,319
from the Civil War.

593
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,279
Speaker 1: The British, Yeah, a little bit. It's why they were

594
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:57,960
potentially thinking about it.

595
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: Also.

596
00:28:58,279 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: I think they kind of just didn't like the fact

597
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,319
that the United States was a growing power.

598
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: Cause a little division. You already have these established relationships.

599
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was potentially in their economic interest to do that.

600
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:16,359
Speaker 2: We uh, we need to payback England. What do you

601
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,720
mean we need to cause some division there? Yeah, I agree,

602
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,079
fuck them, we should have we should break them back

603
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:24,079
into their kingdoms.

604
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: I think we should have waited until Hitler launched Operation

605
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:32,799
Sea Lion, you know, invaded England, and then save them,

606
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:34,839
really make them os could.

607
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: Also just be a long term play. Hitler still alive, apparently, Yeah, apparently,

608
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,039
And he's not in Argentina.

609
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:43,519
Speaker 1: It was on the moon now Argentina to yeah, yeah, yeah,

610
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:43,960
you're right.

611
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: He said. He escaped Argentina, ended up in the launch

612
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,119
pad in Antarctica, and now he's on the dark side

613
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:51,359
of the moon.

614
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: Dark side of the moon. Yep. So, Southern States, South

615
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:00,440
Carolina in particular, fucking furious about these tariffs. Fucking it

616
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,440
was fucking their economy. It made everything more expensive. Now

617
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,720
they were forced to buy things from the North manufactured

618
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,799
goods they were instead of buying them cheaper from the

619
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,839
UK in a free market system where prices had to

620
00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:16,680
compete with each other. Now the tariffs made it so

621
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,240
the only place they could essentially buy from was the North.

622
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, the North just jack up prices. Yes, we're dicks.

623
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: Yes, had things got more expensive, we did.

624
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: Not have the best interest for our entire country.

625
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:34,839
Speaker 1: No, it fucked the South. It did fuck the South.

626
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,160
Like I'm not here to say that the tariffs didn't

627
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,119
fuck the South, and there were being babies about it.

628
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:43,119
I'm just saying it was the slavery. They wanted the slavery.

629
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,480
They were worried We're gonna take their slaves away. That's

630
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:51,000
why they succeeded these tariffs. Though they had every right

631
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,119
to be mad about these tariffs, even if it was

632
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,119
really in the end, they were mad that.

633
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:59,079
Speaker 2: Their slavery was less profitable. Regardless of that, the tariffs

634
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:02,880
fucked them. Jackson did this, Adams did it.

635
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:04,599
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get this is the best part of

636
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,960
the whole thing, which is why don't feel too bad

637
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,519
for the South.

638
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: Don't feel too bad.

639
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:11,519
Speaker 1: For the South.

640
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: Take Quincy. You can't call me Adams.

641
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,079
Speaker 1: Quincy Quincy signed it. Don't feel too bad for the South.

642
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,279
We'll get into that right now. So northern States, we're

643
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,319
all about those tariffs because it helped their industrial economy

644
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:24,400
at the expense of the South. But who cares about

645
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:31,799
those motherfuckers that in their minds? So one might wonder though, Okay,

646
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:36,359
also a worldly man like Quincy not wanting to, uh,

647
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,759
you know, have a fruitful trade with international partners.

648
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: That's interesting.

649
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:44,319
Speaker 1: Uh, we'll get into that a little bit as well.

650
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,279
We'll get into all that. Why this happened in eighteen

651
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:50,400
twenty eight. So one might wonder, though, Okay, if the

652
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:59,359
tariffs hit, shouldn't that have brought manufacturing jobs to the South.

653
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,359
Why didn't this South start to industrialize to make their

654
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:09,400
own economy self sufficient? Do you know what? Why? They didn't?

655
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: Lazy? They didn't.

656
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: They literally didn't fucking want to.

657
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:16,839
Speaker 2: They were addicted to mint julips and they were just

658
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,440
sipping on it on their porches in a hot summer day.

659
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,279
And that this is not not the life on me.

660
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: That is not a lie for me. I ain't gonna

661
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,799
sweat in a factory. I'll sweat on this pols all day.

662
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,319
O da man, Jude real here to here. Oh boy,

663
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:36,880
it is getting up there. One of my favorite quotes

664
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,119
from any Southern landowner. I forget who it was, but

665
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,440
they said it in Ken Hearon Civil War. It's just like,

666
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,599
I'd rather be burning in hell than one of them

667
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:46,000
boys out there in that field.

668
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, that makes sense, but think

669
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,480
about it, I ain't gonna be working no factory. Jell.

670
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: The so factories were a little bit of a risky investment,

671
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:57,720
so that credit where credit is due there. They didn't

672
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,079
want to take a financial risk at all, even though.

673
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: Probably pollutes the city.

674
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: They don't care about that.

675
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: You don't think they care about that.

676
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: And so no one cared about pollution in the eighteen hundreds.

677
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: The smog, it's gross.

678
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did go up to New York sometimes.

679
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:14,720
This was a hell a hole.

680
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: I can't breathe, honey.

681
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:22,759
Speaker 1: Oh no. But really they just didn't want to modernize.

682
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,960
They didn't want to do anything. All the landowning aristocrats

683
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:28,839
and all the land owning out oligarchs, the politicians who

684
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:32,680
were those people they liked their way of life. They

685
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:36,839
liked sitting on a porch in seersucker, drinking him at

686
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,039
julip and watching people work for free.

687
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: This is God's country, and I get it. Yeah, it's

688
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,160
a pretty cool life.

689
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: I get it.

690
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: I get it.

691
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: I get why you would want to keep that, even

692
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,519
at the expense of everyone else who lives there, not

693
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,720
just slaves, obviously the slaves, but not just the slaves

694
00:33:56,119 --> 00:34:01,519
like it. The South was comically behind the North in

695
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,960
every single way because there was a cultural aspect to

696
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,279
it where they're like, this is our way of life.

697
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,559
We're a grarian, We're landowner. We worked the land. We

698
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:14,199
don't need them railroads, we don't need them big old cities.

699
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,679
In fact, the capital of the Confederacy was essentially the

700
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:22,480
only fucking Southern city that industrialized at all. The richest

701
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,280
city in the South was the only one that industrialized.

702
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,519
Richmond was the only one that had any semblance of

703
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,440
an industrial capacity. New Orleans was more of a port.

704
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:33,559
Speaker 2: Richmond is not an impressive city, not anymore.

705
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: No.

706
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: I've driven through it many a time.

707
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: Is that on your Philly to Orlando?

708
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:43,079
Speaker 2: Uh, Philly to hear too, I've driven through Richmond. Oh

709
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,599
really yeah, random depends what way you want to go.

710
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,400
Been through West Virginia and Virginia. Virginia is actually beautiful.

711
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,119
It's like low key one of the best states in

712
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:53,559
the country.

713
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,559
Speaker 1: Oh. I think I wish Richmond was a bigger metropolis

714
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:59,239
because then Virginia might be the best state in the country.

715
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: I would live in the city, though, I would live Yeah,

716
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:06,360
open land, Virginia burbs. No, southern Virginia. I do Charlottesville

717
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:10,599
for Charles Hill's rad tiki torch owning white like you.

718
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: Well in my backyard. Maybe to keep the mosquitoes away. Yeah,

719
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,039
mosquitoes were called Jews, real bloodsuckers.

720
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,079
Speaker 2: Well they're not going to be around. They're not. They're

721
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,400
not venturing in those parts.

722
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: Not no more. Boy. So the South, the South was like, dude, no,

723
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:28,840
this is our way of life, Like, we're not doing

724
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,960
the city factory bullshit. So they didn't have the route.

725
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:35,159
They never did bothered to build a railroad capacity. They

726
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:37,360
never bothered to urbanize very much. I mean, you know,

727
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,719
they had New Orleans, which predates the United States of America.

728
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:46,199
Richmond was basically their industrial city. Atlanta was kind of

729
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:48,960
bucking a little bit but Charleston was a port city.

730
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,440
I mean a lot of their big a lot of

731
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,960
their major cities were really just ports. It was more

732
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,079
for that than than anything else. But yeah, they love

733
00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,599
the setup. They didn't care that. They obviously didn't care

734
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:01,800
about the slaves, but they really didn't care that it

735
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,320
fucked over the average white guy that lived in the

736
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,880
South too. HM didn't like that. They didn't care that

737
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,159
their standard of life was not what it could be.

738
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:12,960
So they didn't bother to modernize. It didn't bother to urbanize,

739
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,239
it didn't bother to industrialize. They liked the way they

740
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,599
were doing things. And again I get.

741
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: It, simpler life. Yeah, why do you have to monernize?

742
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:24,039
Speaker 1: Mint? Julip on the porch?

743
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: Sounds nice? Why are gonna be so progressive?

744
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,199
Speaker 1: Right?

745
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:33,039
Speaker 2: I mean obviously free people, of course, no slaves, but

746
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:34,679
right now, like why do we have to monetize? But

747
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,440
why do we have to embrace the changes that are

748
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,760
happening right now? Look, I'm not an automation AI. It's

749
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,480
not good for us.

750
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm not against arbitrary limits on things necessarily. I don't

751
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,719
know if our point is, but I'm not against technology.

752
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's stop it's only gonna go downhill from here.

753
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,559
We're gonna lead to our annihilation.

754
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,119
Speaker 1: I can't tell if that's just me getting old or

755
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,559
if it's actually getting scary where I'm like, how do

756
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:04,440
I feel like things are just getting weird.

757
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,119
Speaker 2: It's gonna all happen very slowly, but eventually, when we

758
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:11,880
recognize that it is all bad for us, it'll be

759
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,719
too late. It'll be gradual.

760
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,639
Speaker 1: Hold on, there's a Hemingway quote about this. Oh yeah,

761
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,000
it was about how he went bankrupt. He goes, how

762
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:20,320
do you go bankrupt? Two ways?

763
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:21,079
Speaker 2: Gradually?

764
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,679
Speaker 1: Gradually. Then suddenly that's what you're describing.

765
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: Well, you know, heming weighs my boy. Yeah, it's one

766
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,440
of the few books I've actually read in my life.

767
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:32,960
A Farewell to Arms.

768
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,639
Speaker 1: That's a read that too. I like that book. It's

769
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:35,000
a good book.

770
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: It's a good book.

771
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,519
Speaker 1: It's a great book. It's freshman year.

772
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,039
Speaker 2: English, sophomore year. We're a little behind you guys.

773
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:44,679
Speaker 1: Well, you know, public school. Sophomore is a private school.

774
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: Freshman may say that.

775
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: So the Southerners hated these fucking tariffs, and they wanted

776
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,800
to make sure two of two things. One that Quincy

777
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,840
lost the eighteen twenty eight election and two mud slinging election, uh,

778
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,000
one of the worst in history, and.

779
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: Calling Jackson's wife a whore killed her did kill her.

780
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: Jackson was like that you calling her a whore killed her,

781
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:16,960
which in eighteen twenty eight seems plausible. I mean nowadays

782
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:20,360
people get you know, some high schooler. We'll see that

783
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,159
the bully at school talk about how she's a whore,

784
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:27,239
and it'll get a thousand views on TikTok and they'll

785
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,280
be like, nope, finding mom's pills. I'm out.

786
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 2: Quincy was a weirdo too.

787
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we know the mold people.

788
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: Well there's that, which never happened, but yeah, I know.

789
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,599
Unfortunately he wasn't actually trying to get to the end

790
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:43,559
of the earth. But it's a better story. He did

791
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,639
swim naked in the Potomac quite often.

792
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,079
Speaker 1: I think that's weird for the day. I guess people

793
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:52,320
swam naked.

794
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: I think he almost died. He probably did. He almost

795
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,239
drowned him one of his swims.

796
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,559
Speaker 1: He'll probably swam on a day that was slightly too

797
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,679
cold and his body just was like locked up.

798
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,559
Speaker 2: It was like sixty nine degrees out and his body

799
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,199
was like, oh, it's eighteen twenty seven. This is cold plunge. Yeah,

800
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,280
which obviously been saying it for years. It's not good

801
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,719
for you if you're trying to build muscle.

802
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:14,679
Speaker 1: Is it not.

803
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: No, it's good for recovery if you're like an elite athlete.

804
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: Like an endurance athlete.

805
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like if you play a soccer game and you're

806
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,480
going ninety minutes, ninety plus minutes, you're Ronaldo. You have

807
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:31,519
a game in three more days. Hit the ice bath. Yeah, recover. Yeah.

808
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:33,280
If you're lifting weights and you hop right into the

809
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,239
ice bath, it immediately kills everything you just did.

810
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,159
Speaker 1: It puts it on immediate pause.

811
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,159
Speaker 2: Because when you build muscle, you're tearing your muscle up

812
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:48,440
and it has to recover and that's it comes back stronger, bigger.

813
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,400
That's how muscle growth happens. You eat obviously to help

814
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,280
with that process, but when you just go into the

815
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,440
cold plunge or the ice tub, it just nukes that process.

816
00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: Sweet.

817
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: I know you need this information.

818
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:05,519
Speaker 1: For live certainly, I gotta stop taking it. Ice baths.

819
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:08,079
After I carry both of my screaming toddlers upstairs, I

820
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,719
immediately just dive into a bathed up, full eyes after

821
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,880
two of them were punching me in the face as

822
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,199
I carry them up to their beds. That's a workout.

823
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,559
Have you heard your weights fight back? Uh? Yeah.

824
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:21,599
Speaker 2: I dropped a fucking ten pound weight on my foot,

825
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:23,320
and I think I have a broken foot right now.

826
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:27,360
I'm not kidding. Somebody left a ten pound regular weight

827
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,800
on the bumper plates and I was going around the

828
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,960
other side. I wasn't looking, so I was kind of

829
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,880
like wrapped around the squad rack pulling off the twenty

830
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,599
five pound bumper plate. The ten was tiny. Yeah, so

831
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:44,280
it fell four feet as I'm pulling it like from forward,

832
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,320
like off the rack. Yeah, so the ten falls onto

833
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,760
my foot. Was that today? It was last week? Okay?

834
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:54,639
Speaker 1: Oh still broking, It's yeah, it still hurts. Okay. I

835
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:56,199
think you just got a bone bruise. Think you are.

836
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,079
Speaker 2: I think it's a fracture. But we're gonna power through. Yeah.

837
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:02,039
It's a man man right there. So the South, I'm

838
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:03,960
not going to see a doctor. No, it's stupid.

839
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,199
Speaker 1: So the South, Southern politicians in Congress wanted to do

840
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,039
two things. Ay, they wanted to fuck John Quincy Adams

841
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:15,079
make sure he didn't get re elected, and b wanted

842
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:19,239
to make sure no more tariffs would get passed, so

843
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,679
they wrote a tariff bill so shitty that it would

844
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,920
never get past. I'm talking about a tariff bill that

845
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:33,119
fucked everybody. It was an elaborate scheme to prevent more

846
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:37,599
tariff passage while at the same time appealing to potential

847
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:40,840
Andrew Jackson supporters in the North. Of course, our boy

848
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,199
John C. Calhoun was one of the ringleaders of this.

849
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,519
He and Martin Van Buren crafted the tariff bill in

850
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:51,800
a way that it would also fuck New England states

851
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,239
and stuff they.

852
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: Imported, just with the purpose of it not getting passed. Yes,

853
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,039
oh dude, I can relate with that.

854
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: This was a bill written by Southerners. The Tariff of Abominations,

855
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:11,320
the tariff that people claim caused the Civil War, was

856
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,880
written by Southerners because they wanted to write a bill

857
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,400
so bad that they thought it would never pass because

858
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,480
it fucked big parts of the North too, and the

859
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:25,400
North looked at it and said done.

860
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:31,199
Speaker 2: It's a musician that writes just a very low effort

861
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,360
song hoping to troll their fan base and becomes one

862
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,719
of their largest songs. Yep, and they hate playing it

863
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:39,119
every time.

864
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: I can tell you one of those songs, all the

865
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,440
small things, blink win A two, Yeah, Tom DeLong the

866
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,800
studio whatever asked them to write just like a stupid

867
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,360
like love song or whatever, and he just wrote, like

868
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,800
the most obnoxious song you could and it is the

869
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,159
number one smash it. It is the number one blank

870
00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:58,719
win A two song.

871
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: I here on the radio and he wants to kill

872
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,199
stuff every time you play.

873
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: It's not a good song. I hate that.

874
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,559
Speaker 2: It's like anytime we would write something at TFM or

875
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,239
grand X, the things I hated the most got the

876
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,039
most play. Yeah, they got the most views, they got

877
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:15,719
the most reads, just like, god, damn, I hate it.

878
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: And then you get congratulated. And then you would sit

879
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,000
there for any of us that happened to it happened

880
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,960
to all of us. You'd sit there and be like, well,

881
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,039
it's not that cool, because now this is the biggest

882
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:26,480
representation of my sense of.

883
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: Humor and work, and put no effort in this.

884
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: It's not good.

885
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: It took me fifteen minutes yep, mailed it in completely yep.

886
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:37,880
And the people love it.

887
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: So I'm in no way happy that this dude. Well,

888
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,519
and by the way, you don't get extra money for it.

889
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:45,760
So it's nope, there's no, there's no.

890
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: Hey you're the guy that did that, right.

891
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,599
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, great, yeah, sorry, I'm very happy to hear

892
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:51,599
you say that.

893
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,079
Speaker 2: You glad that's what you relate with my name.

894
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: So the Southerners believed when they wrote this absolutely dogshit

895
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,599
bill that Quincy's supporters in New England would be against

896
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:05,800
it because it tariffed a lot of stuff they imported too,

897
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:10,519
And then Southern legislators once the New Englanders were like, dude,

898
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:13,639
fuck this bill, they could withdraw their support, kill the

899
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,920
legislation while blaming New Englanders and it would make the

900
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:23,320
Adams Clay coalition look horrible. This was literally Calhoun van

901
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,320
Buren Southern politicians trying to play for Van Buren is

902
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,599
not Southern politician, but he's a Democrat of that coalition

903
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,239
trying to play forty chess.

904
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: And it fucked him. Although Van Buren ends up being president,

905
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:40,280
so maybe it's what elevates them to the presidency.

906
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: Well the more on that, because this is really Calhoun's brainchild.

907
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,599
Van Buren was kind of the brain guy in terms

908
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,199
of like he was the dude that worked out strategy

909
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:53,800
and policy, but this was Calhoun's idea.

910
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: I think whose wife was the flirt?

911
00:44:55,519 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: Was it Calhoun's oh, for the Petticoat affair? I think so.

912
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,119
I think it was Calhoun's wife that everyone was a

913
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:05,440
dick to.

914
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: She was just one of the boys. It wasn't a dick.

915
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: She was just very fu No, no, no, no, no, no,

916
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,639
it wasn't. It wasn't Calhoun's wife. Calhoun's wife was a

917
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,679
bitch to her. Okay, that's what it was. Yeah, And

918
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,320
whose wife wasn't? Oh, man, let me look it up again.

919
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 2: It's your episode.

920
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:21,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what.

921
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: We did it like five weeks ago.

922
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:26,599
Speaker 1: So why would I Peggy O'Neil was the woman, and

923
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:29,880
she was she was married to like a lower level

924
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,159
guy like it was just one of Jackson's cabinet members.

925
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:38,000
Uh yeah. And and Calhoun's wife was a huge bit.

926
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: Sure, women be hating on each other and that's what

927
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,960
helped start one another the Civil War kind of.

928
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: So this literal attempt at forty Chess, they just took

929
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,920
the queen and shoved it up the South's ass essentially.

930
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,079
Speaker 2: But also hurt the North. Well, why would you ever

931
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,400
even like throw this into existence on the off chance

932
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,000
a gets passed.

933
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. And by the way, they thought they

934
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:06,199
were crushing it too, because the New Englanders looked at

935
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,920
the bill at first and were like whoa, And they

936
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,360
tried to amend it and every time completely blocked by

937
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,840
the Southerners. They were like, no, no amendments, this is

938
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,920
the bill, this is the shitty bill. Go ahead and

939
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:22,719
try to pass it by so while the New Englanders,

940
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,639
even though they tried to amend it. While the New

941
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:27,760
Englanders they didn't like the raw material hikes for themselves,

942
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:29,119
they were.

943
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,639
Speaker 2: Like, oh, that's gonna be steep.

944
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: They still saw that the tariffs protected the finished goods

945
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,960
made in the North, yeah, and viewed it as a

946
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,679
net wind. They were essentially like, boy, Southerners, you drive

947
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,239
a hard bargain. Will you just weird sticking to your guns? Okay,

948
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,039
we'll pass this one, I guess, because we do still

949
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:54,239
win in the end. And they fucking passed this bill

950
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:59,719
that was specifically written to not get passed by the people.

951
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,039
It fucked.

952
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't put effort into tanking things. They will find

953
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,039
a way to get by there.

954
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: It's karmic, like the universe was just like, oh, you

955
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,440
think you're clever?

956
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't be too clever.

957
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: You're not so clever. Here's my favorite part that'll make

958
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:25,400
you even more annoyed. The South dubbed it the Tariff

959
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:30,239
of Abominations and viewed it viewed the passing of this

960
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:38,480
bill as a Northern conspiracy to make their industrialists richer

961
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:42,199
at the expense of the South. They viewed the bill,

962
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:49,920
they wrote as a Northern conspiracy to fuck them over.

963
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: We're all looking for the guy that did this un

964
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,519
fucking believable. Yeah.

965
00:47:57,639 --> 00:47:59,559
Speaker 1: I was maybe not gonna do this episode. I was

966
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:01,519
looking around and stuff, and then I saw that, and

967
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:02,880
I was like, nope, we're doing this today.

968
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: Do we need another z in right now?

969
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,079
Speaker 1: We need another's in. I'm fucking rolling.

970
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: You're licking your lips like you're a lizard person.

971
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:11,119
Speaker 1: I'm a little dry. This hard day after drives me out.

972
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:13,119
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a hard AF. I think

973
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,639
it's the fucking zen's you get up, my bat' you're

974
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:17,719
turning full reptilian.

975
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,119
Speaker 1: Good because reptile. I am actually in favor of the tariffs.

976
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,880
I'm a reptilian globalist.

977
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, well we know you're actually the globalist

978
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:30,559
hate tariffs, but whatever, so.

979
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:35,559
Speaker 1: Farmer. So here's the other thing. One of the reasons

980
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:38,559
it passed was a certain amount of englander is flipped

981
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,800
the mid Atlantic states and farmers in western states looked

982
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,159
at the bill and they were like they were the

983
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:47,199
same way. They were like, boy, oh, is it gonna

984
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:49,880
bring us some pain? But I think in the long

985
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,880
run it's a good thing done.

986
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: Let's do it. It's so bad that it like tricks your brain. Yeah,

987
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,320
you're like, maybe this is a good thing. Why would

988
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,159
they write this otherwise?

989
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, how could anyone want to do this unless it

990
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,000
was a good idea? Like, is it so crazy it'll work?

991
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,159
Speaker 2: Like why would they write this to fuck themselves over?

992
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: They wouldn't do that. They would never do that sound

993
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,239
in their interest, Like they're not they wouldn't fuck themselves over.

994
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,280
So that has to be off the table. Yeah, but

995
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,079
it was all that was on the table.

996
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: It's like a reverse psychology play that kind of gets

997
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,519
everyone's brain in a pretzel. Yeah, and just like, yeah,

998
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:30,960
I guess past it. Yeah, no one understood what was happening.

999
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: Now. The South didn't vote for it. They wrote it,

1000
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,239
but they didn't vote for it. But they thought that

1001
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,960
the new Englanders wouldn't vote for it either, but the

1002
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,480
New Englanders did vote for it, and the Westerners and

1003
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:46,440
mid Atlantic states also voted for it, and it passed

1004
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,199
by like I think six votes or something like that.

1005
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: Quite a cell phone, it is.

1006
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,519
Speaker 1: It is having sex with a wood chipper cell phone? Like,

1007
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:56,559
I mean, it is unfucking believable.

1008
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: You don't think you could do it?

1009
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: I mean I could put my penis in a wood chipper.

1010
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:03,559
That's not really up for debate.

1011
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,199
Speaker 2: You into danger play.

1012
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: I am not no no quiet, breathless missionary missionary.

1013
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 2: Okay is what I'm All of your kids conceived quiet? Well, now,

1014
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,039
the quiet missionary Sammy was conceived cowgirl because you were

1015
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:22,400
going for the girl. Yeah, it's a power play.

1016
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: I can, I can. I don't know how the other

1017
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,000
two were conceived position wise, but I can guarantee, without

1018
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:31,440
a shadow of a doubt that I know the position

1019
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:33,119
my last child was conceived in.

1020
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: And just know, if you conceive your child doggie style,

1021
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,239
he doesn't have a soul, You're not gonna be a

1022
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,760
good person. Mm hmm. I can tell you that he

1023
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,239
is gonna be a sociopath.

1024
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Calhoun, who helped make this happen.

1025
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:51,559
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry.

1026
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: In eighteen twenty eight, the tariff was signed by Adams,

1027
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,880
even though he knew it would probably fucking politically, and

1028
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,519
it did, and he lost to Andrew Jackson in the

1029
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:02,880
eighteen twenty eight presidential election. Jackson's vice president, John C.

1030
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,800
Calhoun immediately turn around as the second highest person in

1031
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,800
the federal government and told South Carolina to tell the

1032
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,480
federal government to go fuck themselves, just to ignore the tariffs.

1033
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:18,119
Don't charge them in your ports. Fuck the federal government.

1034
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: Yep. But Calhoun could have just told Jackson, hey, just

1035
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,039
get rid of the shit.

1036
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: Oh they thought Jackson was going to repeal it.

1037
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:27,599
Speaker 2: Hey, my man, we have the powder to do this. Now,

1038
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:28,360
let's get rid of it.

1039
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Even though Jackson was a Southerner and

1040
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:39,360
a slaveholder, he was above all else an American, and

1041
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,960
he saw a law that was constitutionally passed and constitutionally signed,

1042
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,639
and then saw people trying to subvert the authority of

1043
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:55,000
the federal government and said, absolutely fucking not, because subverting

1044
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:58,280
that authority, even if it was done by a previous administration,

1045
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:04,159
would subvert his own authority and create possible further divisions

1046
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,639
in which the South might want to it would get

1047
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,639
it would open Pandora's box, right America. First, he was

1048
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,360
he didn't want to open Pandora's box.

1049
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: Why was he attacking American institutions?

1050
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: Though? Then with like banking, I don't know, that's that's

1051
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:22,840
above my pay grade right now. I didn't research that

1052
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,280
for today, Okay, but I guess there. I guess you

1053
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,079
could say maybe with the Central Bank or whatever. I

1054
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,440
don't know quite what the situation was on that, but

1055
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,320
if it was not the same as the fact that

1056
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,280
it was passed by both houses of Congress and then

1057
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,119
signed into law by a president, which is compl and

1058
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,360
then I believe, upheld by the Supreme Court or any

1059
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,239
any court as far as I know. He was like,

1060
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,280
this is this is the government. This is what you

1061
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,280
elected them to do. You vote them in at both

1062
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,360
houses signed off on it. The President of the United States.

1063
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,960
It might not have been me, but the president of

1064
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,480
the Unit. It might not even been my party, but

1065
00:52:58,519 --> 00:52:59,440
the president United.

1066
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 2: And Jackson respons just the chair. Yes, the position. Literally,

1067
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,519
he was like, this is the law A man that

1068
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,800
caught his wife a whore and caused her to die.

1069
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:11,679
Speaker 1: He didn't care. He was like, this is the law.

1070
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,360
What the fucking paper says.

1071
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: Just dragged her name through the fucking mud and all

1072
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:17,599
the papers.

1073
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: So Jackson was like, no, this is we can we

1074
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,639
can try to. You can try to you know, undo

1075
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:27,760
it or something, or you know, when the law you

1076
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,039
know whatever, however, you could try to go through it

1077
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:33,360
the right way. But Calhoun was just like, nope, ignore

1078
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:39,360
the federal government, nullify the tariffs. And Calhoun, to his credit,

1079
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,599
I will say, actually questioned the constitutionality of these tariffs,

1080
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:50,400
specifically of taxing imports without the explicit goal of raising

1081
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,159
revenue for the government, because this was a protectionist tariff.

1082
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,039
This was literally to give northern industry a leg up

1083
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:02,400
and a jumpstart I suppose in a roundabout way. Well, no,

1084
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,239
it wouldn't have been because they weren't really taxing industries,

1085
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:05,960
I don't think back then, so it wasn't. It was

1086
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,480
not a revenue raising tariff. It was literally just to

1087
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:14,280
help northern industries. So Calhoun was like, this is bullshit.

1088
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,960
We're not putting money in the government coffers for this.

1089
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,199
I mean, we might be a little bit, but this

1090
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,639
is mostly just to help the North at literally truly,

1091
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:26,920
the expense of the South, like now our economy is

1092
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:33,360
getting sunk because everything costs more for everyone. And Jackson

1093
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:41,800
was like, uh, suck my dick. That's the law and

1094
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,079
you wrote it, asshole.

1095
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,679
Speaker 2: You know I like that position though. You gotta take

1096
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,119
both sides see how it plays out. Like sure, I

1097
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:56,360
wrote this, I don't agree with it, but yeah. He

1098
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,000
was like, then if it does work out, but yeah

1099
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,880
I wrote that. Yeah, so he wins no matter what.

1100
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: He gets, he gets to eat, have his cake, and

1101
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,039
eat it too, except he got neither of those things.

1102
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:08,320
The cake was taken away and he ate nothing. So

1103
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:10,239
in eighteen thirty.

1104
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,199
Speaker 2: Two did on the cake.

1105
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's farted on the cake. In eighteen thirty two,

1106
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,320
Jackson signed in a law, the Tariff of eighteen thirty two,

1107
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,280
which did make some reduction in the tariff rates. However,

1108
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:25,280
South Carolina was still like, that's not I fucking enough,

1109
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,360
that is not enough. So at the advice of John C. Calhoun,

1110
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,840
they called a state convention and by an overwhelming vote,

1111
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,639
the convention adopted an ordinance of nullification. So they were like,

1112
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,280
we're not going to charge sheriffs at our ports. We're

1113
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,239
not gonna We're not gonna do it.

1114
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 2: Fuck you. This is the nullification crisis. It's always South Carolina.

1115
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it declared the Terrace of eighteen twenty eight in

1116
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:51,360
eighteen thirty two unconstitutionable, are unconstitutional and unenforceable. Sorry about

1117
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,280
that in South Carolina. And this is where President Jackson

1118
00:55:55,519 --> 00:56:00,800
is like, you are absolutely goddamn fucking not going against

1119
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:05,360
federal law. You passed this shit, this was past constitutionally.

1120
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: Fuck you. Did Jackson sending trips to South Carolina, he.

1121
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:11,039
Speaker 1: Told them he would invade.

1122
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,119
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Jackson.

1123
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:16,519
Speaker 1: He was like, I will fucking invade South Carolina.

1124
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 2: If you do this, not the Palmetta State.

1125
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 1: So South Carolina was like, obviously, with a man like

1126
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,480
Andrew Jackson, South Carolina is like, oh.

1127
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: He'll do it. Yeah. He doesn't really just say things.

1128
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:35,599
Speaker 1: No, No, he's a man of action, Andrew Jackson.

1129
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,039
Speaker 2: Jackson's about that action.

1130
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: Is who Teddy Roosevelt wishes. He was yeah, like, full.

1131
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,079
Speaker 2: Stop, full hickory.

1132
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm not old Hickory.

1133
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 2: No, but I'm saying full Hickory.

1134
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not saying Teddy Roosevelt sucks or anything.

1135
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,159
But as you said before on the show, he was

1136
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:54,760
a tryhard who didn't need to be a tryhard Andrew Jackson,

1137
00:56:55,679 --> 00:56:56,920
he didn't adopt the darkness.

1138
00:56:57,159 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: He's about that life.

1139
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,519
Speaker 1: He was born into it, rafted by it, molded by it.

1140
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,719
Like Andrew Jackson was that fucking dude.

1141
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,599
Speaker 2: He was king of New Orleans for a couple of years.

1142
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,519
Speaker 1: He does what he wants. So Jackson's like, this is law, motherfucker.

1143
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:15,480
And then obviously he's fucking furious that he thinks what.

1144
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:18,480
He comes to a compromise, and they're still like, no,

1145
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:21,840
we're gonna do it. So they passed another tariff in

1146
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:27,320
eighteen thirty three, which was a compromise that finally got

1147
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,039
South Carolina back down a little bit. For the next

1148
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:33,039
nine years, tariffs were I guess at a level that

1149
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:37,320
was acceptable to everyone, until there was another tariff situation

1150
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,880
in eighteen forty two, the Black Tariff of eighteen forty two,

1151
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:46,400
again signed into law by a Southerner, John Tyler, who

1152
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,559
was a slave holding Virginian. He reluctantly signed in a law,

1153
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,559
but he did sign in a law. This was basically though,

1154
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,280
he kind of didn't have a choice because there was

1155
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,000
no income tax or anything like that, and the federal government

1156
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:00,639
was completely bankrupt from the Panic of eighteen thirty seven,

1157
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:05,199
essentially our first major financial crisis, our first almost like

1158
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,679
great depression, you could call it. So he was like, I,

1159
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,280
you know, I guess I have to do this, Like

1160
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,159
we're we don't have any money. And this tariff was

1161
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:17,920
I don't want to say harder, but in some ways

1162
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,960
more severe. Specifically, there were no there was no credit.

1163
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:23,840
You couldn't drop something off and be like put it

1164
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,079
on our tab. If you drop something off, cash on

1165
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:28,840
the fucking spot.

1166
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need the exact change.

1167
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1168
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh that's a that's a tough way to live.

1169
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:40,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. Your boat better have two things on it, machine

1170
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:42,119
parts and fucking cash.

1171
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:42,679
Speaker 2: Mmm.

1172
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: So that one in eighteen forty.

1173
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: Doesn't really stimulate the economy.

1174
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,679
Speaker 1: No, No, that one fucked the Southern economy too, even

1175
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:54,480
though it was again signed in the law by a Southerner.

1176
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,480
That one, though, was at least for revenue raising reasons

1177
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,760
because the government was fucking and you might think, oh, well,

1178
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,719
maybe that's the tariffs Southerners we're talking about, and how

1179
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,079
the Civil War started.

1180
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:10,239
Speaker 2: Why didn't they just have like a fundraiser it sung

1181
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,280
candy bars door to door.

1182
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1183
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 2: They works for us when we were like ten.

1184
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can go grow cocoa and Florida or

1185
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:18,559
something like that.

1186
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,079
Speaker 2: Lord knows, the labor's free, or just you know, go

1187
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:25,039
to a convenience store with your football helmet and be like, hey,

1188
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:29,039
we need donations for our team's jerseys. Why don't we

1189
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:33,199
do that? As that'd be a good drift. I mean,

1190
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:34,239
that's what you should do with your kids.

1191
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: Do you want to go to it? It's just us. Yeah,

1192
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:36,960
I'll have my toddler there.

1193
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: Just get like a Polo dry fit a whistle.

1194
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,079
Speaker 1: With some like nondescript mascot on it, just like a

1195
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:45,960
random tiger.

1196
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:49,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, although we can get creative with it. Like

1197
00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:54,000
my childhood Papa Warner football team was the Termites. What

1198
00:59:54,320 --> 01:00:01,039
really with the Prospect Park Termites? Go Urmy's Yeah, dude,

1199
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:04,440
I thinking back, I was talking to my parents this weekend. Uh,

1200
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:08,119
like first and second grade football. We're doing Oklahoma drill nutcrackers.

1201
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,840
We're just leading with our head. I had so much

1202
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,480
ct for a toddler at a little tike.

1203
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure, good Lord, what are we doing? Full contact practice?

1204
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? Full pads, full contact for like two to three hours.

1205
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: Good lord, they don't make my movie like they used to.

1206
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 2: Noah, they sure don't solve for little boys. We didn't

1207
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:29,480
play flag.

1208
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: We didn't have that option, even though I bet a

1209
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,280
pop orange gem now would dust your asses.

1210
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,119
Speaker 2: But no way with their spread bullshit too fast. Nah,

1211
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:40,119
I go right through that Swiss cheese line.

1212
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: Eye formation bullshitting especially.

1213
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:44,239
Speaker 2: For me right now, dude, I would wreck some popwornis

1214
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,599
thirty four year old?

1215
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: Dan?

1216
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: Maybe just moving them like Moses animal that hit puberty.

1217
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: Get eight just takes you to pieces. No cham steps

1218
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:56,920
on your broken ass foot.

1219
01:00:57,159 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: Ice box is getting drilled.

1220
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:04,639
Speaker 1: So the tariffs, so you might think though these eighteen

1221
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:06,800
forty fives, oh maybe that's a tariff to the Civil War.

1222
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,400
Those were revoked in eighteen forty eight, and up until

1223
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,840
the Civil War, the tariff situation was very favorable to

1224
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,400
the South. In fact, the South controlled Congress from almost

1225
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,440
the entire time between eighteen forty six and the Civil

1226
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,599
War and the presidency the entire time they had Democrats

1227
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:26,440
in throughout. Buchanan was from Pennsylvania, but he was sympathetic

1228
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:29,800
to the South. So the economic situation for the South

1229
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,480
was fucking fine. Between eighteen forty six and eighteen sixty one.

1230
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:42,960
But it is to me a really really funny dynamic

1231
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,840
at play here where I don't think there's a single

1232
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:47,320
good guy.

1233
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: Southerners. You got nobody to blame but yourself.

1234
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did this. They wrote the fucking bill, and

1235
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,639
in their hubris thought they were so smart, thought there

1236
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:03,639
was so much smarter that it would never get fucking passed.

1237
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,079
And the North, in their greed, was like, hell, yeah,

1238
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,159
fuck everyone else, let's get our factory's fucking cooking.

1239
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 2: You're throwing that alley loop up. We're gonna slam it down.

1240
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you tossed the lob, We're gonna fucking throw it down.

1241
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,760
It fucked the Southern economy twice, I guess, between the

1242
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:28,639
black tariffs and the eighteen twenty eight tariffs. Not our idea, yours,

1243
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:34,079
And it did. It did help northern industry, but it

1244
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:36,079
did not help this. But and then the other thing too,

1245
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:40,519
is is like the South never at any point was

1246
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:45,159
like looked around and thought we should become more self sufficient.

1247
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: They were still The question is, though, was calhouna double

1248
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:52,599
agent for what the north of the North right? He honestly,

1249
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,519
he set the South up to fail time and time

1250
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:59,559
again out of straight. Maybe it was bored because his

1251
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:03,199
wife was such a bitch that just wanted to stay

1252
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:05,559
and have problems to solve an office.

1253
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: Because he couldn't solve the problem at home.

1254
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 2: No, so he's like, honey, I got another thing.

1255
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:10,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to work.

1256
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:11,599
Speaker 2: I'm not coming home.

1257
01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:14,239
Speaker 1: Working late today, fucking again.

1258
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:19,639
Speaker 2: Just wanted to stare at whatever her name was again O'Neil.

1259
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Patty O'Neill, some some bullshit like that, Peggy O'Neil,

1260
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,760
Peggy O'Neal. She was pretty hot for the day.

1261
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:27,719
Speaker 2: A good time gal.

1262
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:33,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I the North absolute dickheads for fucking

1263
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,880
for being like, yeah, fuck everyone else, let's get our

1264
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,199
factories cooking. The South absolute dickheads for trying to play

1265
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,559
a game of forty chess. They were not equipped to play.

1266
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:48,039
And then again the South, they had no intention of

1267
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:49,039
being self sufficient.

1268
01:03:49,079 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: It's also not forty chess. That's just ripping open a

1269
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,960
grenade and putting it at your feet.

1270
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about people who think they're playing forty chess,

1271
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:01,239
that's all they're doing. No one's playing.

1272
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,679
Speaker 2: Forty chess rowing their legs off.

1273
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one is ever in the history of the

1274
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,960
world actually played forty chess. They say they're playing forty chess.

1275
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:12,360
They think they're playing forty chess, but it it's it

1276
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,639
is just like a funny situation where the South fucked

1277
01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:17,760
themselves twice, really one by writing the bill, but two.

1278
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,880
But they never they never wanted to be self sufficient.

1279
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:24,239
They were just like, I want the cheapest possible goods,

1280
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,039
but I don't want I don't want to. I don't

1281
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:30,440
want to to do it evolve. I don't want to

1282
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,079
evolve into modernity at all.

1283
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:34,599
Speaker 2: Dide I get that, though, Why would I amish and

1284
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:37,599
then the North just being like, yeah, fuck done, let's

1285
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:40,960
fucking do this. I kind of uh, you've made me

1286
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:46,079
sympathetic to the South today.

1287
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,079
Speaker 1: I would I am sympathetic for most Southerners because the

1288
01:04:47,159 --> 01:04:49,000
terrorists fucked them. I am not sympathetic to the people

1289
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:50,039
that wrote that bill at all.

1290
01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:53,519
Speaker 2: No, it's not really our job. You can't force that,

1291
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:55,960
honus now. I mean, live a simple life.

1292
01:04:56,039 --> 01:04:58,559
Speaker 1: We just want to live. We don't need railroads and

1293
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:07,239
fucking that is essentially an encompassment of tariffs in general

1294
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,119
to me. But what'd you learn today?

1295
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:14,119
Speaker 2: I learned that the person responsible for this. Calhoun. You know,

1296
01:05:14,199 --> 01:05:19,519
he's quite a trickster throughout US history. He's just it's

1297
01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:22,480
caused a lot of issues. A fucking dick like, he

1298
01:05:23,239 --> 01:05:29,480
just causes problem after problem. Just total cell phones. Yeah,

1299
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:32,639
between the Petticoat affair and Marina is such a bitch and.

1300
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: The eighteen twenty eight tariffs.

1301
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 2: Oh that's the Petticoat affair.

1302
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, just fucks himself time and time again. Who's

1303
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:39,800
today's hitler?

1304
01:05:40,159 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: Dude? Just hire some Irish dudes you can kill.

1305
01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:43,199
Speaker 1: There were plenty.

1306
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 2: There's so many of us that you could have just

1307
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:50,280
taken out, ready to die. Ask New Orleans cheaper. It's

1308
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,440
expensive and on a slave it is.

1309
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,519
Speaker 1: That was one of the arguments that they made in

1310
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:57,039
favor of slavery. They were like, the slaves live better

1311
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:01,800
than your Irish factory workers, right, And I, aside from

1312
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,480
the freedom part, I don't know that they were wrong.

1313
01:06:05,519 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if the Irish were free.

1314
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:10,599
Speaker 1: They were free or maybe a little bit not really

1315
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:11,480
they could leave.

1316
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,719
Speaker 2: But that's how you modernize. You pay shit wages. Yeah,

1317
01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:22,480
to you know, another up and coming invasive race.

1318
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,039
Speaker 1: You could certainly call the Irish invasive can't really call

1319
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:27,119
black people invasive.

1320
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:30,159
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about Hispanics. Now, okay, you pay an

1321
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:32,360
irishman a halfpenny a day.

1322
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:37,119
Speaker 1: The average slave cost, and I'll go eighteen twenty eight. Actually,

1323
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,719
oh man, a prime field hand is what the quote

1324
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,880
is here? Five to eight hundred dollars in eighteen twenty eight.

1325
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:47,920
There's a lot of money women of child bearing age

1326
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,480
because you owned anything that was born four to six

1327
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:54,159
hundred children or old people were one hundred and three.

1328
01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:55,960
I don't know why children were less. I guess you

1329
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:56,800
have to put in the work.

1330
01:06:57,719 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the children has more years.

1331
01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: I know.

1332
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: I don't he's a prospect. Maybe you're just paying for

1333
01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:04,599
a potential.

1334
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: So five hundred dollars in eighteen twenty eight is like

1335
01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:10,039
an upwards of twenty thousand dollars.

1336
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,239
Speaker 2: Because what if you buy a lemon just a total

1337
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,599
dead or yeah, he has to just serve serve your

1338
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:16,199
mint julips.

1339
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:21,639
Speaker 1: Basically, so an unskilled adult male factory worker in eighteen

1340
01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:26,599
twenty eight a dollar a day at most, uh, that

1341
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:30,239
would be they'd split the difference. Seventy five cents is

1342
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:32,480
fifty cents to a dollar two hundred and twenty five

1343
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:33,400
dollars a year.

1344
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 2: But that's everything that's on the books. Yeah, true, So

1345
01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:40,159
come on, dud, we're talking under the table here.

1346
01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So I don't know, yeah, but uh yeah

1347
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,239
the fuck. Everybody was an asshole in this one, and

1348
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,360
the tariffs kind of fucked everyone because it did help

1349
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,159
lead it, like the Civil War was not about tariffs,

1350
01:07:58,159 --> 01:08:01,760
but it did help further the divide between North and

1351
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,239
South because the South was like, clearly, the North doesn't

1352
01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:07,159
care about us, and this in the North was like, yeah,

1353
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:08,400
fuck you. I guess I don't know.

1354
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:14,039
Speaker 2: So now the South is pro terrorf what now Today?

1355
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:15,920
I would assume it polls better.

1356
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: Actually, I don't know how it pulls in A to B,

1357
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:20,920
but I would assume it pulls better.

1358
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 2: In red states than blue states. But it doesn't pull

1359
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,359
well at all. No, we'll see, though, we shall see.

1360
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,680
We shall see. But yeah, that one could work out

1361
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:30,600
or could not work out.

1362
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: That was the second most famous terrors of the options.

1363
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, worker on the I'm a modern day philosophizer, you are.

1364
01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:43,359
Speaker 1: That was the second most famous tariff situation in United

1365
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:47,600
States history. Smooth Holly is the first, but that's I care.

1366
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,479
This one was funnier to me because it was smooth.

1367
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,079
Speaker 2: Holly is literally depressant.

1368
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:55,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was dirant. It made it. It made a depression, well,

1369
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,800
amplified it, amplified it quite a bit. All right, Well

1370
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:00,880
that's all I got for today.

1371
01:09:01,119 --> 01:09:04,560
Speaker 2: Cool. Check out Patreon, pitch on dot com, slash software history.

1372
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:09,199
Two additional episodes every week Wednesday and Friday. Those drop

1373
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:13,479
and uh yeah at this point three years, three plus

1374
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,760
years of evergreen content. It takes a while to get through.

1375
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,640
So yeah, five bucks, you're not gonna get better value

1376
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:19,920
than that.

1377
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: Well worth your time.

1378
01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 2: We might have to hit did do you think the

1379
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,920
terroffs will affect the Patreon? Well, Apples tariffs do, so

1380
01:09:26,199 --> 01:09:28,319
that is true. We got hit with. It doesn't affect

1381
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,399
you guys because we're keeping the press at five dollars.

1382
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:33,760
But yeah, they're paying us less money.

1383
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,520
Speaker 1: If you sign up through iOS, if you sign up

1384
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,199
on phone, you're probably using Apple.

1385
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 2: Pay right, they'll take like a bigger percentage. If you

1386
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,039
sign up on your you know, on your brows computer,

1387
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,279
if it's not, if it's not, if it's not an Apple.

1388
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: No sign up through a PC.

1389
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, go to your local library sign up

1390
01:09:55,880 --> 01:10:01,479
to our Patreon through a PC and we get all

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the money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, most of the money.

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Speaker 2: Well a bigger percentage of.

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Speaker 1: The Patreon still takes a cut, but yeah, this.

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Speaker 2: Is our lives right.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's all I got for today. For Damna Jester,

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I'm Rob Fox.

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Speaker 2: You just gotta saw serves