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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what has happened? And what is up? Hold at

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<v Speaker 1>your glass because I'm about to fill it up. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are over to the sign of my voice,

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<v Speaker 1>I told you, guys, I had two or three documentaries

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<v Speaker 1>already recorded, but I wanted to get the book finished

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<v Speaker 1>before I started on these. So here is a part

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<v Speaker 1>for you, guys. I'm giving you access to a full

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<v Speaker 1>interview that I'd done with a gentleman at Serpent Mound. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be using some of these clips in the

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<v Speaker 1>coming documentary. But since you are an All Access Pass subscriber,

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<v Speaker 1>access to this interview that I'm gonna be using clips

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<v Speaker 1>for this documentary. So sit back, relax, and enjoy the journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, Well the boss, just introduce yourself and what do

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<v Speaker 2>you do, and just gotch a shop and just give

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<v Speaker 2>us a little background.

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<v Speaker 3>All right. I'm Thomas Johnson originally from Detroit, Michigan, and

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<v Speaker 3>came to Ohio in nineteen seventy eight to pursue a

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<v Speaker 3>career in fossils. So I've been doing research and selling

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<v Speaker 3>fossils since I was a little kid, but this part

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<v Speaker 3>of Ohio was exceptional for prime specimens of our state fossil,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a trial byte. So I've been doing research

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<v Speaker 3>on that for a long time and work with different

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<v Speaker 3>museums and institutions. And we live on the edge of

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<v Speaker 3>an asteroid crater here, so we're constantly doing tours for

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<v Speaker 3>different groups show them the geology and what can be

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<v Speaker 3>found in a crater. And then of course it's close

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<v Speaker 3>to Serpent Mound, which is inside the crater, so you

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<v Speaker 3>get a lot of interests that way. People are always

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<v Speaker 3>looking for new things to do and explore, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>just a perfect spot to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Right us about your shop and some of your art here.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I noticed the guys will see because I took

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<v Speaker 4>plenty of pictures. You got a beautiful, big fit that

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<v Speaker 4>we're actually sitting on right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Right the deck is sitting right on the back of that.

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<v Speaker 3>But when I moved here, I measured the size of

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<v Speaker 3>this shop. It was actually just an old foundation from

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<v Speaker 3>a tannery back in eighteen fifty and I measured it

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<v Speaker 3>and it actually was exact size in length as a

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<v Speaker 3>gallery that I had down at the Smithsonian, and I

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<v Speaker 3>had loaned them a collection back in the eighties, and

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<v Speaker 3>they built galleries for my collection, and the one main

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<v Speaker 3>gallery happened to be forty four feet long, which is

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<v Speaker 3>just what my building is now. So I bought this

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<v Speaker 3>house and reconstructed the exhibit here and so people can

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<v Speaker 3>come and see part of the Smithsonian here in so

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of cool. Put the Rock Shop, we sell

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<v Speaker 3>minerals and fossils from all over the world, and of

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<v Speaker 3>course you get a lot of people that are coming

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<v Speaker 3>in looking at paranormal stuff. And we're in an area

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<v Speaker 3>that has a lot of magnetic anomalies coming out of

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<v Speaker 3>the ground from the asteroid crater and a fault line

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<v Speaker 3>that goes down the road in front of us, and

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<v Speaker 3>so it creates these anomalies and it allows things to

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<v Speaker 3>come through, so you see, you know, some people call

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<v Speaker 3>them Doppler gainers. I could be in the shop right

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<v Speaker 3>now waiting on people, but yet I'm up here. That

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing happens, so it's not just to me though,

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<v Speaker 3>it happens to everybody. So and then you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>magnetic anomalies affect cars, computers, batteries, navigational devices, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a unique area to enter. Plus a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people can feel that energy. I'm not really I

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<v Speaker 3>don't really feel that, but a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of people do.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Serpent Mountain is also a place where people

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<v Speaker 3>come to get a restart, so it's about rebirth. The

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<v Speaker 3>people that built it were sun worshippers, the mountain builders,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were into farming, so they had to mark

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<v Speaker 3>their solstice and equinoxes. And then this most important day

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<v Speaker 3>to them is summer solsae sunset or sunrise. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>day of rebirth. So people come here from all over

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<v Speaker 3>for different reasons, divorces, diseases, something cataclysmic in their life,

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<v Speaker 3>and they be get a restart. Yeah, it's kind of cool.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, with the And then I actually was that

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<v Speaker 5>Serpent Mound and this time I have to shirk up

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<v Speaker 5>a conversation with a lady and she had mentioned did

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<v Speaker 5>I know that a giant was doug up at that

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<v Speaker 5>first mound? As we walked up it's actually kind of

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<v Speaker 5>away from the Serpent and next to the museum and

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<v Speaker 5>gift Shaw and I noticed it walking but she asked me,

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<v Speaker 5>did I know that a giant would dug up?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, no, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>So she actually agreed to talk with me on film

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<v Speaker 4>and kind of talk about that, and she gave a

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<v Speaker 4>plug for you and she said, well, if you're into

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<v Speaker 4>this kind of stuff, you need to go down here,

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<v Speaker 4>she said, I think she called it Alternate Universe Rockshaw

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, well, definitely, And she said he's

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<v Speaker 4>got pictures of the giants, and I'm like, yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how we've got here.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you have some postcards of it? Yeah, right, that

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<v Speaker 3>was It was on exhibits on nineteen ninety. So I've

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<v Speaker 3>been in the area since the mid eighties, so I

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<v Speaker 3>had a chance to see it. And there was other

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<v Speaker 3>giants at other mountain sites. And it seems like wherever

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<v Speaker 3>there's these big conical mounds, there's giants, but it's all

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<v Speaker 3>been suppressed. And it's that's the way archaeology is. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>they can cover things up pretty easily. So I know

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<v Speaker 3>one thing about like the Smithsonian working through them probably

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<v Speaker 3>years since the eighties, there's always been talk like there's

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<v Speaker 3>a big conspiracy that Smithsonian has covered up the giants.

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<v Speaker 3>But the way I see it, in nineteen ninety, the

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<v Speaker 3>repatriation Act started and it allowed the museums. It actually

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<v Speaker 3>instructed museums institutions if they had any bones at all

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<v Speaker 3>that were from the North America's indigenous they had to

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<v Speaker 3>go back on the ground. So the Smithsonian cleared out

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<v Speaker 3>there a million or so skeletons that they had in

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<v Speaker 3>their closet, which is the dome as a natural history

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<v Speaker 3>museum of six stories high, and there was over a

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<v Speaker 3>million skeletons in there from different well they're from all

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<v Speaker 3>over the world, but everything from North America had to

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<v Speaker 3>be cleaned out and put back in the ground. So

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<v Speaker 3>they did that. But when that happened, everybody said, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a big conspiracy. They're trying to cover it up. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>guess what, Nobody got to see those bones except for

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<v Speaker 3>people that work there. And I don't guys that have

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<v Speaker 3>worked there all their lives and couldn't get in there

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<v Speaker 3>to see that stuff because you have to have that specialty,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you have to be an archaeologist and have

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<v Speaker 3>the credentials to work. So there's places like that in

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<v Speaker 3>our in our museums where it's covered up. It's secret.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't blame them for doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, well I know some of the circles that

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<v Speaker 4>I that I run in, they talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about egos and reputation.

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<v Speaker 4>And those that have doubled down on the Darwinian theory

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to tear down the model they've built and

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<v Speaker 4>restarted because if giants were real, then that shows we

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<v Speaker 4>are debol instead of that's against the mirror. But then

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<v Speaker 4>on the other side, I've heard that, yeah, egos might

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<v Speaker 4>be to play, but it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, how do I word it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just a lot well, like you said, a grand

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<v Speaker 4>conspiracy and they either get shipped off to private collections

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<v Speaker 4>or destroyed to nick that Darwinian theory. What's your take

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<v Speaker 4>on that? Because some people even think that the whole

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<v Speaker 4>that Act that they passed to protect the Native American

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<v Speaker 4>heritage was to keep people from digging in these mounds

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<v Speaker 4>and finding these these giants.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's what makes you wonder, right, And then

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<v Speaker 3>you have all these state institutions like Serpent Mound. It

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<v Speaker 3>was run by the state, and then in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 3>six the state went bankrupt, so all of their sites

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<v Speaker 3>with the Ohio Historical Society went into the nonprofits went

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<v Speaker 3>ahead and hired or gave other nonprofits the keys to

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<v Speaker 3>the gates of over one hundred sites in Ohio to

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<v Speaker 3>maintain them and keep them open while the state got

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<v Speaker 3>back on track. The state came back on track, it

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<v Speaker 3>was no longer in charge of Separate Mound. It was

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<v Speaker 3>all it was five o' one C three status when

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<v Speaker 3>it became a historical connection. So now they're a separate

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<v Speaker 3>group corporate, not a free public park anymore. And everything changed.

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<v Speaker 3>So just like you're going up there trying to fly

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<v Speaker 3>your drone, you know, they don't own the airspace, but

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<v Speaker 3>you could go next door on another property and fly

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<v Speaker 3>it from there and it's not a thing they could

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<v Speaker 3>do about it. So they're not standing out there for shotgun.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just running people down saying don't do it. But

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<v Speaker 3>in reality, I don't think there's really anything protecting them

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<v Speaker 3>if you want to fly a drone over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>So what So, yeah, I took the don't ask for permission,

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<v Speaker 3>to ask for forgiveness, and yeah I was shootout right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it makes them feel good too, you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>they're doing something. So we've had a lot of experiences

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<v Speaker 3>up there of people you know, wanting to drum or

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<v Speaker 3>burn sage or burn a pipe for a ceremony, or

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<v Speaker 3>walk on the grass God forbid. You know, there was

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<v Speaker 3>a time when you could walk all over that mound.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't care. The big monument that you've seen there

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<v Speaker 3>before you approach the Serpent Mound at Big Granite, the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom line of that monument set as a free public

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<v Speaker 3>park and they erased it. And it used to be

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<v Speaker 3>on top of the big conical mound where the giant was.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't just a giant. He was in the bottom,

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<v Speaker 3>but there were several burials on top of him from

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<v Speaker 3>different cultures. So the a Dina built in there. He

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<v Speaker 3>was probably a Dina age about twenty five hundred years old,

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<v Speaker 3>and then on top of him were Intrusive Mound. Was

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<v Speaker 3>a culture that came through between a Dina and Hope Well,

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<v Speaker 3>there was like a two hundred year gap, and the

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<v Speaker 3>Intrusive Mound people came in and buried right on top

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<v Speaker 3>of that mound. Instead of big in a mound and

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<v Speaker 3>making one, they already had one there. So that happened

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<v Speaker 3>all over North America. You see, these people were burying

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<v Speaker 3>on top of the other mounds. So it was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of dual purpose call like a cemetery.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you see it through that history, throughout both of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know people find these ancient science let's build

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. So fortunately the construction of Surfermount wasn't changed.

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