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Speaker 2: Guys, Well the boss, just introduce yourself and what do
Speaker 2: you do, and just gotch a shop and just give
Speaker 2: us a little background.
Speaker 3: All right. I'm Thomas Johnson originally from Detroit, Michigan, and
Speaker 3: came to Ohio in nineteen seventy eight to pursue a
Speaker 3: career in fossils. So I've been doing research and selling
Speaker 3: fossils since I was a little kid, but this part
Speaker 3: of Ohio was exceptional for prime specimens of our state fossil,
Speaker 3: which is a trial byte. So I've been doing research
Speaker 3: on that for a long time and work with different
Speaker 3: museums and institutions. And we live on the edge of
Speaker 3: an asteroid crater here, so we're constantly doing tours for
Speaker 3: different groups show them the geology and what can be
Speaker 3: found in a crater. And then of course it's close
Speaker 3: to Serpent Mound, which is inside the crater, so you
Speaker 3: get a lot of interests that way. People are always
Speaker 3: looking for new things to do and explore, and it's
Speaker 3: just a perfect spot to be.
Speaker 4: Right us about your shop and some of your art here.
Speaker 4: Because I noticed the guys will see because I took
Speaker 4: plenty of pictures. You got a beautiful, big fit that
Speaker 4: we're actually sitting on right now.
Speaker 3: Right the deck is sitting right on the back of that.
Speaker 3: But when I moved here, I measured the size of
Speaker 3: this shop. It was actually just an old foundation from
Speaker 3: a tannery back in eighteen fifty and I measured it
Speaker 3: and it actually was exact size in length as a
Speaker 3: gallery that I had down at the Smithsonian, and I
Speaker 3: had loaned them a collection back in the eighties, and
Speaker 3: they built galleries for my collection, and the one main
Speaker 3: gallery happened to be forty four feet long, which is
Speaker 3: just what my building is now. So I bought this
Speaker 3: house and reconstructed the exhibit here and so people can
Speaker 3: come and see part of the Smithsonian here in so
Speaker 3: it's kind of cool. Put the Rock Shop, we sell
Speaker 3: minerals and fossils from all over the world, and of
Speaker 3: course you get a lot of people that are coming
Speaker 3: in looking at paranormal stuff. And we're in an area
Speaker 3: that has a lot of magnetic anomalies coming out of
Speaker 3: the ground from the asteroid crater and a fault line
Speaker 3: that goes down the road in front of us, and
Speaker 3: so it creates these anomalies and it allows things to
Speaker 3: come through, so you see, you know, some people call
Speaker 3: them Doppler gainers. I could be in the shop right
Speaker 3: now waiting on people, but yet I'm up here. That
Speaker 3: kind of thing happens, so it's not just to me though,
Speaker 3: it happens to everybody. So and then you know, the
Speaker 3: magnetic anomalies affect cars, computers, batteries, navigational devices, so it's
Speaker 3: kind of a unique area to enter. Plus a lot
Speaker 3: of people can feel that energy. I'm not really I
Speaker 3: don't really feel that, but a lot.
Speaker 1: Of people do.
Speaker 3: And then Serpent Mountain is also a place where people
Speaker 3: come to get a restart, so it's about rebirth. The
Speaker 3: people that built it were sun worshippers, the mountain builders,
Speaker 3: and they were into farming, so they had to mark
Speaker 3: their solstice and equinoxes. And then this most important day
Speaker 3: to them is summer solsae sunset or sunrise. That's the
Speaker 3: day of rebirth. So people come here from all over
Speaker 3: for different reasons, divorces, diseases, something cataclysmic in their life,
Speaker 3: and they be get a restart. Yeah, it's kind of cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, with the And then I actually was that
Speaker 5: Serpent Mound and this time I have to shirk up
Speaker 5: a conversation with a lady and she had mentioned did
Speaker 5: I know that a giant was doug up at that
Speaker 5: first mound? As we walked up it's actually kind of
Speaker 5: away from the Serpent and next to the museum and
Speaker 5: gift Shaw and I noticed it walking but she asked me,
Speaker 5: did I know that a giant would dug up?
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, I didn't.
Speaker 4: So she actually agreed to talk with me on film
Speaker 4: and kind of talk about that, and she gave a
Speaker 4: plug for you and she said, well, if you're into
Speaker 4: this kind of stuff, you need to go down here,
Speaker 4: she said, I think she called it Alternate Universe Rockshaw
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, definitely, And she said he's
Speaker 4: got pictures of the giants, and I'm like, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: I'm there.
Speaker 2: That's how we've got here.
Speaker 3: Now you have some postcards of it? Yeah, right, that
Speaker 3: was It was on exhibits on nineteen ninety. So I've
Speaker 3: been in the area since the mid eighties, so I
Speaker 3: had a chance to see it. And there was other
Speaker 3: giants at other mountain sites. And it seems like wherever
Speaker 3: there's these big conical mounds, there's giants, but it's all
Speaker 3: been suppressed. And it's that's the way archaeology is. You know,
Speaker 3: they can cover things up pretty easily. So I know
Speaker 3: one thing about like the Smithsonian working through them probably
Speaker 3: years since the eighties, there's always been talk like there's
Speaker 3: a big conspiracy that Smithsonian has covered up the giants.
Speaker 3: But the way I see it, in nineteen ninety, the
Speaker 3: repatriation Act started and it allowed the museums. It actually
Speaker 3: instructed museums institutions if they had any bones at all
Speaker 3: that were from the North America's indigenous they had to
Speaker 3: go back on the ground. So the Smithsonian cleared out
Speaker 3: there a million or so skeletons that they had in
Speaker 3: their closet, which is the dome as a natural history
Speaker 3: museum of six stories high, and there was over a
Speaker 3: million skeletons in there from different well they're from all
Speaker 3: over the world, but everything from North America had to
Speaker 3: be cleaned out and put back in the ground. So
Speaker 3: they did that. But when that happened, everybody said, oh,
Speaker 3: it's a big conspiracy. They're trying to cover it up. Well,
Speaker 3: guess what, Nobody got to see those bones except for
Speaker 3: people that work there. And I don't guys that have
Speaker 3: worked there all their lives and couldn't get in there
Speaker 3: to see that stuff because you have to have that specialty,
Speaker 3: you know, you have to be an archaeologist and have
Speaker 3: the credentials to work. So there's places like that in
Speaker 3: our in our museums where it's covered up. It's secret.
Speaker 3: I can't blame them for doing that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, well I know some of the circles that
Speaker 4: I that I run in, they talk about.
Speaker 2: It's about egos and reputation.
Speaker 4: And those that have doubled down on the Darwinian theory
Speaker 4: don't want to tear down the model they've built and
Speaker 4: restarted because if giants were real, then that shows we
Speaker 4: are debol instead of that's against the mirror. But then
Speaker 4: on the other side, I've heard that, yeah, egos might
Speaker 4: be to play, but it's.
Speaker 2: Uh, how do I word it.
Speaker 4: It's just a lot well, like you said, a grand
Speaker 4: conspiracy and they either get shipped off to private collections
Speaker 4: or destroyed to nick that Darwinian theory. What's your take
Speaker 4: on that? Because some people even think that the whole
Speaker 4: that Act that they passed to protect the Native American
Speaker 4: heritage was to keep people from digging in these mounds
Speaker 4: and finding these these giants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what makes you wonder, right, And then
Speaker 3: you have all these state institutions like Serpent Mound. It
Speaker 3: was run by the state, and then in nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: six the state went bankrupt, so all of their sites
Speaker 3: with the Ohio Historical Society went into the nonprofits went
Speaker 3: ahead and hired or gave other nonprofits the keys to
Speaker 3: the gates of over one hundred sites in Ohio to
Speaker 3: maintain them and keep them open while the state got
Speaker 3: back on track. The state came back on track, it
Speaker 3: was no longer in charge of Separate Mound. It was
Speaker 3: all it was five o' one C three status when
Speaker 3: it became a historical connection. So now they're a separate
Speaker 3: group corporate, not a free public park anymore. And everything changed.
Speaker 3: So just like you're going up there trying to fly
Speaker 3: your drone, you know, they don't own the airspace, but
Speaker 3: you could go next door on another property and fly
Speaker 3: it from there and it's not a thing they could
Speaker 3: do about it. So they're not standing out there for shotgun.
Speaker 3: They're just running people down saying don't do it. But
Speaker 3: in reality, I don't think there's really anything protecting them
Speaker 3: if you want to fly a drone over the place.
Speaker 3: So what So, yeah, I took the don't ask for permission,
Speaker 3: to ask for forgiveness, and yeah I was shootout right.
Speaker 3: Yeah it makes them feel good too, you know, like
Speaker 3: they're doing something. So we've had a lot of experiences
Speaker 3: up there of people you know, wanting to drum or
Speaker 3: burn sage or burn a pipe for a ceremony, or
Speaker 3: walk on the grass God forbid. You know, there was
Speaker 3: a time when you could walk all over that mound.
Speaker 3: They didn't care. The big monument that you've seen there
Speaker 3: before you approach the Serpent Mound at Big Granite, the
Speaker 3: bottom line of that monument set as a free public
Speaker 3: park and they erased it. And it used to be
Speaker 3: on top of the big conical mound where the giant was.
Speaker 3: It wasn't just a giant. He was in the bottom,
Speaker 3: but there were several burials on top of him from
Speaker 3: different cultures. So the a Dina built in there. He
Speaker 3: was probably a Dina age about twenty five hundred years old,
Speaker 3: and then on top of him were Intrusive Mound. Was
Speaker 3: a culture that came through between a Dina and Hope Well,
Speaker 3: there was like a two hundred year gap, and the
Speaker 3: Intrusive Mound people came in and buried right on top
Speaker 3: of that mound. Instead of big in a mound and
Speaker 3: making one, they already had one there. So that happened
Speaker 3: all over North America. You see, these people were burying
Speaker 3: on top of the other mounds. So it was kind
Speaker 3: of dual purpose call like a cemetery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see it through that history, throughout both of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know people find these ancient science let's build
Speaker 4: onto you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So fortunately the construction of Surfermount wasn't changed.
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