1 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,759 Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to a very 2 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:21,640 impromptu postgame hang here at Clips and Dip. The Clippers 3 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:26,440 come back from down twenty points in the worst place 4 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,359 in the world, Utah to get the win. Ben Simmons 5 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:35,000 has such a good debut. I don't know if Will 6 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:38,119 Updike is gonna join this pod, but I know he's 7 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,759 hyped about Ben simmons debut. I know Adam Oslin also 8 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,240 hyped about Ben simmons debut, but he is quite literally 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,679 working right now. So if you're hanging out over on 10 00:00:47,719 --> 00:00:52,159 the Clips and Dip postgame stream, thank you for hanging out. 11 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:54,479 I am going to be out for the next episode, 12 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:00,880 just taking a little All Star break myself. But damn, 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,319 did this weird ass wind feel good? Yes? What a game? 14 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:10,200 Trance addict, I remember you, what What a crazy game? 15 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,959 The Clippers played between like okay and not very well. 16 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,200 The Jazz made so many threes it didn't make any 17 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:26,920 sense how many threes the Jazz were making. Kind of 18 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,560 throughout this whole game. The Clippers were down twenty at 19 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:33,359 one point, like they could have thrown in the towel. 20 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:37,680 I don't know. We're gonna talk about how good Ben 21 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:43,799 Simmons was. This was I mean, there couldn't have been 22 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:47,719 a better debut. I guess, uh for Ben Simmons, it's 23 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:53,760 so great, he said, he did a lot of little stuff. Yeah, 24 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:56,239 I said, I mean it's it's been one game. I 25 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,519 think we can we can take that into account. But 26 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,760 there was a lot of good that we can't. It's 27 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:06,319 not just about Ben Simmons. Nor Awl had forty one points. 28 00:02:06,439 --> 00:02:08,719 I don't think we need to say Ben Simmons carryers. 29 00:02:08,719 --> 00:02:14,919 Oh we have a Clippers reporting goat coming on screen. 30 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,120 His name is josephry Award. Welcome him with open arms. 31 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,400 He's good. People say any weird shit, you'll get banned. 32 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:25,680 Joseph fry Award. Hell are you, buddy? How you feeling? 33 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:26,120 After that? 34 00:02:26,159 --> 00:02:30,319 Speaker 2: Clippers went They called me a madman, They said, Ben Simmons, 35 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,439 what are you talking about? I've been talking about Ben 36 00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:37,439 Simmons for three years now. Everybody laughed at me. They 37 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,319 laughed at me. And you know what he helped us 38 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,479 win against? Said what thirteen and forty seven? Utah team. 39 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:45,879 I feel vindicated. 40 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:49,319 Speaker 1: Okay, look, any team that's playing the Clippers on the 41 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,120 Clippers second night of a back to back is a 42 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:57,680 top three seed, Yes, agreed, there you're playing a top 43 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:02,520 three seed at that Yeah, City Thunder. A lot of 44 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,400 you know, people in the chat saying Ben Simmons carried us. 45 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,080 How do you think Ben Simmons that line? How did 46 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,080 you feel about his debut? I mean, obviously we love it. 47 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,039 We're gonna I mean, normal had forty one, ye Hard 48 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:16,039 had thirty two. 49 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: James was incredible. Yeah, there were a lot of things 50 00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:19,159 going for us. 51 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: But Ben Simmons did all the stuff that the Clippers need. Right. 52 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,759 He handled the ball like he played defense on multiple positions. 53 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,680 It acts like this is what optimum Ben Simmons in 54 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:31,919 this rotation looks like. Right. 55 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, once Ty figured out who to play 56 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,719 him with, it really started like we were cooking with 57 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,759 gas because he did everything I hoped he would do 58 00:03:44,479 --> 00:03:46,879 and things I thought he would never in a million 59 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,520 years do tonight. Now, I don't know if those things 60 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,919 are gonna continue. You know, he's in game one, he's 61 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:58,240 feeling really energized, you know what I mean. But if 62 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:01,639 if he can look like like seventy percent of what 63 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,719 he looked like tonight for the rest of the season, 64 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:06,680 he's exactly what I wanted the Clippers to acquire. 65 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:10,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean seventy percent of what you said, because 66 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,479 stat wise there's a lot of people. I think someone 67 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,439 had a really funny comment. I think it was Clipper 68 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,560 Vlad said on Twitter that one of the things he 69 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,839 loves about Simmons that he won't shoot us out of 70 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,959 a game. Yeah, that's that's never gonna happen. But he 71 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,680 had like there were times so he shared the floor 72 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:33,639 with uh done and Zoo at points tonight and the 73 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,560 lineup when it was small ball with Chris Dunn, good 74 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,120 things were happening. The zoom minutes with Ben it's it's 75 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:43,720 really a lot of pressure on the other guys to 76 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,160 hit from outside and stuff like that. But once Tyleru 77 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:49,920 gets the tinkering out of his system, which I think 78 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,000 is kind of what you were alluding to, Like, you know, 79 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,720 it's I'm not trying to be I'm not trying to 80 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,240 jump the gum on what like this means. But it 81 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,360 could be a really good siding for the Clippers, especially 82 00:05:06,399 --> 00:05:07,480 when it comes to playoff time. 83 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he just he gives them the opportunity 84 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,000 to be competent for forty eight minutes, like that's really 85 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:16,079 all he does, and like it. 86 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: Throw the ball off your shoe or you. 87 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:21,959 Speaker 2: Know, dribble, dribble, dribble, playing a mid range off the 88 00:05:21,959 --> 00:05:23,040 back room, you know what I mean. 89 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: And so who did that? 90 00:05:25,319 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't talk about that person, but 91 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,399 I think I think you could see the vision tonight 92 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,639 of what it could look like. And obviously you want 93 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,480 to see how it looks against good teams and against 94 00:05:37,519 --> 00:05:41,120 you know, all that other stuff. But Ben surrounded by shooters, 95 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:44,439 can push the pace, can grab a rebound, you know, 96 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,600 get out and transition, set guys up. He threw several 97 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,720 really nice passes like. 98 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: It's so good. He hit James in the corner with 99 00:05:53,079 --> 00:05:55,839 a three that James passed up. I think it was 100 00:05:55,879 --> 00:06:00,839 literally like Simmons, like third possession, right, but he hit 101 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,199 James with the pass that was like the pull the 102 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,560 catch and shooter is right there, James pasted up. He 103 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:11,240 obviously as Hawaiian Horizon, great name is saying, played forty 104 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:15,040 nine big minutes. But he brings kind of a surprise 105 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,720 element because I don't think other guys are going to 106 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:20,720 be used to seeing that that level of pass right 107 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,199 from someone so far. 108 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean the Clippers really only had one 109 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,079 you know plus creator on you know, the offense or 110 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:35,000 on the roster before the deadline, and now they have 111 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:38,639 someone where you know, he can set guys up. You know, 112 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,399 he did the between the legs bounce pass back to Norm, 113 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,319 a couple left hand pocket passes. You know, he's whipping 114 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,279 into the corner. And just having another plus passer is 115 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:49,879 such a huge addition, especially to that second unit, that 116 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,759 especially if it has guys like Bogie and a Mirror 117 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,759 and Nico and you know, more stationary shooter types. I mean, 118 00:06:57,759 --> 00:06:59,720 Bogie can create a little bit, but I think it's 119 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,199 gonna unlock, you know, something for this Clipper offense so 120 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,480 that there's way less stagnation on the second unit when 121 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,959 the starting lineup kind of shuffles out. 122 00:07:09,519 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: The stagnation is a great point because we I think 123 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,319 the fan part of me has gotten used to watching 124 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:18,759 one of the main guys go out and then the 125 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:23,040 offense just kind of you're watching and you're like, okay, 126 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,040 like what are we working with here? Whereas you get 127 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,600 a little bit of juice from Bogged and Ben Simmons 128 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:32,759 band hit Norm with kind of a little just like 129 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,680 quick bounce pass when Norm was coming up right after 130 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,040 half court, and it led to just Norm getting the quick, 131 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:43,160 super fast look at three, and it's like, yeah, the 132 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,639 way that Norm was playing, you're confident in that shot 133 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,480 every time. It's like when Reggie Jacks was on the 134 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,040 heater and you were like, yeah, no, shoot it from 135 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,600 half court, dude, I don't care. Yeah, give me as 136 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,480 many peanut butter and jelly bites as you can. I 137 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,839 don't give a shit. But the competency I think is 138 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:01,399 such a good point. I like the point from Andy though. 139 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,000 If Lou's going to play Zoo and Ben together, Zoo 140 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,560 should have the green light from three. 141 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:11,839 Speaker 2: I can't. I can't go down this lane again. I 142 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:14,399 got laughed out of the zoom when I asked Tay 143 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,279 about this a couple of years ago. He's never gonna 144 00:08:17,279 --> 00:08:20,560 shoot three guys, three guys, I asked. It was quickly 145 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:21,199 shot down. 146 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: If he did, though, if he did hook shot. 147 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah. I think he would make at least 148 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,519 thirty three percent of his hook threes. 149 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: Okay, wow, we have you here. I want to talk. 150 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,480 So the starting lineup shuffle we've seen with even with 151 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:44,480 Kawhi healthy. Yesterday we saw Doun start Derrick Jones Jr. 152 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,960 To some people myself included, has excelled in the role 153 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:52,440 as being a starter. How are we feeling about this shuffle? 154 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:54,240 And as Ryan says, how do you feel about two 155 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:57,480 over Dereck Jones Jr. I Thinkoom's too old. No disrespect 156 00:08:57,519 --> 00:09:01,720 to batoomb, but how are you feel the shuffling starting lineup? 157 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,360 Because I'm a little nervous about it, and I hope 158 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,000 it gets nailed down with at least fifteen games before 159 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,159 the playoffs starts. 160 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:13,039 Speaker 2: This is a throwback for Clippers, for you and for 161 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,080 Clippers fans. Do you remember the sliding lineup we were 162 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,720 promised in twenty nineteen? 163 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: But yes, what a nightmare that was. Dude. You know 164 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,240 why we never got it because no team has ever 165 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:33,120 had a rotating starting lineup that his work. But we 166 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,519 might what if we had a player coach, like where 167 00:09:36,519 --> 00:09:37,639 are we going to go next? 168 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: I want to jumping at the bit to be our 169 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:41,720 point guard for it. 170 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: We might have needed them at some point. 171 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think I might actually go because I 172 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,559 think he've used Derek Jones Junior and Chris Dunn is 173 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:58,679 like similar archetypes, just different sizes that he might say, hey, 174 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,080 you know what we have, you know, against Memphis, we 175 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,000 might have a couple of quick guards. It's going to 176 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:05,039 make more sense for Chris Dunn to start than Derek 177 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:10,320 Jones Junior. Maybe he plays with it, I think tonight. 178 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:14,039 So that obviously that plays in the fact a little 179 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,440 bit too. Yeah, but I also think that, you know, 180 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,600 come playoff time, this is something where he's going to 181 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,799 look at both lineups and be able to go, like, 182 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,240 I know, against certain matchups, I can go to this 183 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:25,759 and it's going to work. And we've had enough reps 184 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,519 to where everybody's gonna feel comfortable and it's not like 185 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,240 I'm just throwing something against the wall, you know, to 186 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,919 start a series. So I do think that he's going 187 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,320 to continue to kind of shuffle through lineups, especially over 188 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,440 these next couple of weeks with guys being in and 189 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,759 out and you know, back to backs and all that. 190 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:43,240 I mean, March is going to be We're not going 191 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,120 to say the same lineup twice. I don't think. 192 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,799 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone who listens to this podcast, thanks to me, 193 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,960 knows exactly how many games we have in March, which 194 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,639 is at least seventeen. Yeah. Yeah, the road. And you 195 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,720 know AMR was out to night too, so that's another 196 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:03,240 spot right right. Kobe Brown got four minutes tonight was bad, 197 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:08,679 which hurt my soul a little bit. People are saying 198 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,360 Ben looking good, hard to believe for some people not 199 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,399 hard to believe. We are with one of those people 200 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:13,919 right now. 201 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:19,039 Speaker 2: I did. I will confess. Every time he took contact, 202 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,720 I winced and was just waiting for him to grab 203 00:11:21,759 --> 00:11:24,159 his back. I was just like I was panicked every 204 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:26,440 time he took a charge or like went into the 205 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:27,240 paint that he was going. 206 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,639 Speaker 1: We did the same thing with Kawhi, like we're conditioned. 207 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,519 You know. It's like yeah, sure, yeah. Speaking of Kawhi, 208 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:43,480 before tonight, Kawhi looked a little rough up until pretty 209 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,600 much last night. I'll have to pull back. That's up. 210 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,279 How are you feeling? I saw a good tweek from 211 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,759 lot Marie saying that Kawhi, for the most part, is 212 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,840 trending up. And I think that's true. And I think 213 00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:01,320 rest is the best medicine, especially for Kuhi and James Harden, 214 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,679 who we will talk about. Forty nine minutes to insanity. 215 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: I would say that there was I again, I'd have 216 00:12:09,879 --> 00:12:12,519 to pull up basketball friends to know exactly how many games, 217 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,200 But there was a little slump in there where Kawhi 218 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,279 just looked like he had nothing, Like he just couldn't 219 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:19,840 make a bad. 220 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: Which is something that doesn't ever do. 221 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: He was slow on defense, like dudes were blowing by 222 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,919 am he had like he had nothing, and it really 223 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,679 he looked frustrated. I think we actually were talking one 224 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,320 of those games where the Clippers were, you know, making 225 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,360 a comeback and pulling away in the fourth and Kawhi 226 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,600 wanted the ball, but James was playing well and Norman 227 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,039 was playing well, and they were, you know, scoring a 228 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:45,080 bunch of points, and he just looked frustrated on the wing. 229 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,519 And it's like, dude, you you're three of twelve, and 230 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,600 you to just give it a second, you know what 231 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,799 I mean? Yeah, And I have had this feeling that 232 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:59,360 ever since that five and seven the Clippers didn't look right. 233 00:12:59,799 --> 00:13:04,039 Speaker 1: It takes a lot. Yeah, this team historically at this 234 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:06,639 time of year, and I'm not meeting just like the 235 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:10,440 two days before the All Star break. This team has 236 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,679 been an old team for like four or five seasons. 237 00:13:14,759 --> 00:13:18,320 So every especially for and I don't mean this disrespectfully, 238 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,039 a lot of newer Clipper fans who maybe have become 239 00:13:21,159 --> 00:13:25,320 fans like at the two one three acquisition or something. 240 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:30,320 It's been an old team, so we've seen this regression, yeah, 241 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,679 every year, kind of going into the All Star break. 242 00:13:34,039 --> 00:13:38,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and around the trade deadline because Larry Fingers loves 243 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,519 to make a move. So I do think that there's 244 00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:42,320 still that like trade deadline anxiety, go. 245 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:44,639 Speaker 1: All about the Larry Fingers man. 246 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:52,759 Speaker 2: Man for a while, man, But yeah, I just think 247 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:56,720 obviously seeing him yesterday bounce back, get his legs under him, 248 00:13:56,919 --> 00:13:59,879 look good, you know, at least offensive side of the ball. 249 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:03,000 He needed a couple of days off, And I think 250 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:07,159 it's it's hard to remember, like keeping context, because he 251 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:09,039 had a couple of games where he looked rusty and 252 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,720 then it looked like, oh, yeah, he's just quiet, and 253 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:15,720 then to have that step back, you're forgetting like, oh, 254 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:18,879 this is like game twelve, and he's still he's. 255 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:21,519 Speaker 1: Ramping as a yeah yeah. 256 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,519 Speaker 2: And like from a long layoff, and he's still ramping 257 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:25,879 his minutes up, so like he's still getting used to 258 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,559 each step as he goes along. Obviously at twenty four minutes, 259 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,399 it's way easier to like give Max effort for twenty 260 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,879 four minutes than like do it. But now he's sometimes 261 00:14:34,919 --> 00:14:36,039 touching thirty minutes a game. 262 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, now let's put twelve more on. 263 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: Top of that exactly. So that's that's a whole other 264 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,519 quarter of basketball that he's playing. And so I think 265 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:48,360 he's he's still getting his conditioning back and for as 266 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:50,120 many times as you want to run on the treadmill 267 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,840 or play five on five off of you know, like 268 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:58,360 in practice, it's not an NBA game. And I'm hopeful 269 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:01,559 that the long layoff and he'll get back into his 270 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:04,639 rhythm and they'll look more like Kuhi again. 271 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: And I think he will, Like it's kind of like 272 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:09,919 watching We've All. You know, you you you're trying to 273 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:11,799 watch a video and you see the bar, like back 274 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,399 in the day when he had to download something to 275 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:17,120 play on quick Time and that download would go forty 276 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:20,720 eight six sixty four fifty two. That's where Gauhay's at 277 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:25,440 right now. Right he to lead into the machine metaphor, 278 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:34,240 he's buffering between like n and seventy seven percent, I 279 00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:37,159 feel like is where we're at, which if you look 280 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:39,320 at the trajectory of a rampant which has been slow 281 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:43,399 and calculated for a good reason. All on one second, 282 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:50,000 I'm seeing a combat that's making my brain hurt. Jonathan 283 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:55,279 Gonzalez is asking, did Bend play? Buddy? I hope you 284 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,720 have a way to rewatch this game, because if you 285 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:02,039 care enough about wondering if Ben Simmons playing, but you 286 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,120 didn't watch, there's a big surprise for you in store. 287 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:12,559 Ben Simmons was great today. Yes, am I foolish to 288 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:17,279 be incredibly bully on small ball five lineups that include 289 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,720 Kawhi and Ben Simmons, with Ben Simmons specifically playing kind 290 00:16:20,799 --> 00:16:22,360 of the five position. 291 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: If he plays like seventy to eighty percent of tonight 292 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,320 that I mean, yes, that's fine, that's great. I think 293 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,080 I think it can work. I think if you have 294 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,679 the issue for me, is is it three guards in 295 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,399 those two guys or so here's two guards in another wing. 296 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:46,519 Speaker 1: Ideally, and this is one thing Tyleron knows more about 297 00:16:46,519 --> 00:16:51,039 basketball than all of us watching interacting six degrees of 298 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:56,039 separation from this podcast combined, there's some lineups that make 299 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,639 you wonder what's going on? Sometimes mean, I mean respect, 300 00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:04,880 but if you put so okay, So here's to you 301 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,240 got Ben Simmons there's the five you got Kawhi, let's 302 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:11,720 call it the three. Let's put the two, but the 303 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:14,880 four and then Norman James. 304 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:17,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good to me. 305 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: Is incredibly that's a good time. 306 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. What we're gonna get though, is Done James, Norm 307 00:17:28,599 --> 00:17:33,759 Why and Ben and Done can guard up a little bit. 308 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:37,599 But I am wary of of three guard lineups, you know, 309 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:40,799 with with those two just. 310 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: Three guard lineups with two on shooters. You're getting into 311 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,160 this like how could this possibly be successful in a playoffs? 312 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:54,400 Because I thought we're kind of talking playoff situation type stuff. 313 00:17:54,839 --> 00:17:59,799 Speaker 2: And I do I do think that the ban act 314 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,240 was obviously was to get like a good ball handle 315 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,880 off the bench, but also as someone who can juice 316 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:07,519 small ball lineups that have been struggling. 317 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,839 Speaker 1: For His first time was as a center. 318 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:14,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do think that they envisioned I know 319 00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:15,640 that the first thing they said was that he was 320 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,799 their point guard, but I do think the Clippers envisioned 321 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:20,720 him as their backup five, and that's that's what he's 322 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:21,200 going to play on. 323 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,599 Speaker 1: Drew eu Banks is there to soak up minutes, right, 324 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:27,680 that's it. I'm not like no, but Mike for Zoo 325 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,079 and for Ben because Nico was playing the backup five 326 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,000 and he's too old to do that for a sustained 327 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,079 period of time. But no, like Ben Simmons is going 328 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,079 to play the backup five, Like he's going to be 329 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,640 a backup five who gets the inbounds, pushes the pace 330 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:47,319 and then from there can make good enough decisions either 331 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,480 pass to Harden, which he did a lot tonight. Most 332 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,559 of what he did to start tonight was dribble the 333 00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:55,759 ball up really fast to half court and then kind 334 00:18:55,799 --> 00:18:58,039 of just assess, like go to the paint, give it 335 00:18:58,079 --> 00:19:03,200 to Harden. Most of the decisions were good. But yeah, 336 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:06,680 like I think Tyler mentioned pregame two, you're talking about 337 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,799 Chris Dunn and Ben Simmons kind of tuned on shooters 338 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:11,839 out there, right. He talked about not feeling worried about 339 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,200 Zoo and Ben Simmons out there, And we saw a 340 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,200 little bit of that, didn't we We saw it for 341 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,160 fourteen seconds. I think we saw Kobe Brown, Ben Simmons, 342 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,480 and I think it was Zoo. 343 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I had a stroke, and I saw 344 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,960 Ben and Sue on the floor and I forgot who 345 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:30,799 else was on the court. 346 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm some of it is dependent on Tie 347 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,519 because he has to tink her. Like there's gonna be 348 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,039 times like if you're worried about like how Tyler's gonna 349 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:47,000 play band, you should be worried, which is fair, but 350 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,039 also you should have kind of an open bank of 351 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,839 like there's gonna be some bullshit minutes and I mean 352 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,160 met again politely, like, yeah, he just wants to see 353 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,640 what works. It's a new guy bringing something new to 354 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,799 the team, even a position that they haven't had all. 355 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:09,599 Speaker 2: Year, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, thy Love's throwing against the ball. 356 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,279 That's like his favorite thing to do. 357 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's funny because Doc would never do that, 358 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,599 but when he had to, it worked, Like when Doc 359 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,559 was in a pitch and it was like all right, 360 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:26,480 our rotations like eleven and a half guys, like things 361 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:31,839 would kind of work out. I think Joseph, I have 362 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,559 wrest froze. Joseph, if you're able to watch, you are frozen, 363 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,680 good sir. I'm gonna pretend that he agreed with my take. 364 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,319 I think it makes total sense that he agreed with 365 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:47,359 my take. We're gonna go ahead and hide back. Wait 366 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,160 you're back back? Did you hear my take? 367 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: I heard, I heard about Doc uh doing it and 368 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:56,839 it working, and yeah, he. 369 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: Never wanted to, but when he did have to, it 370 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:02,319 was like, oh, oh this is cool. Where is this? 371 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:03,039 All the time? 372 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: Doc Rivers would be such a great coach if he 373 00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:09,319 ever actually coached, And in the scenarios where he was 374 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,519 asked to step in and coach, he did a good job. 375 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,880 But otherwise he was just so concerned about his tea 376 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,359 time that he didn't care about he was you guys, 377 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,079 go figure. 378 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: It out those Okay, Jeffrey Herrera, I am going to 379 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,480 give you a doc flashback. I have a couple doc flashbacks. 380 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:28,640 One of my Okay, one thing that I know is 381 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:32,599 to your point about coaching, there was like two seasons 382 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,519 where Will and I would be we worked in Torrents 383 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,160 and we would leave work at three point thirty because 384 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,839 we were working for like a we were working for 385 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,240 a vape company in the marketing department, so like we 386 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,039 were recording lockdown clips at work during our lunch break, 387 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,640 so we'd leave at three thirty, go to the pressers whatever, whatever. 388 00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: Dude. 389 00:21:54,759 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: The amount of times I heard Doc Rivers say, well, 390 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,400 we haven't even practiced this week was off the charts, 391 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,559 and we were like, we know the schedule is crazy, 392 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,960 but like you didn't get together one time. Like looking back, 393 00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:12,200 I'm like, you guys did it one Like now that 394 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,759 I see him time, I'm like what, Like because I've 395 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:16,599 never been that close to it, but like you guys 396 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,000 really like he wasn't lying when he said they weren't practicing, 397 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:26,599 but that's because they weren't practice, right, Yeah, Doc, Man, 398 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,440 what a time? The other doc fight. I have one 399 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,079 more and then we'll talk a little bit more about 400 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,400 the game. One time, Uh Doc was talking about like 401 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,519 drinking wine, like he was making like a joke about 402 00:22:39,599 --> 00:22:43,200 drinking wine because he's fantastic with the press. And Will 403 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,960 I don't know if there's footage of this, but Will. 404 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,559 Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite moments of all time. 405 00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: It's one of my Will asked Doc Rivers like he 406 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:55,559 was like, oh, like you mentioned you were drinking a 407 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:59,519 pinot war Like, what's your favorite variet riotal of that. 408 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,440 Doc Rivers, who does claim to know a lot about wine, 409 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,960 was like what is varietl And and Will was like, 410 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:08,759 you know, like what tipe of? Why? Like a ridol? 411 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:14,759 And then uh Ramota Shellburn grabs the bike from Will 412 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:16,960 that goes you know, Doc, a varietyl like it's a 413 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,160 timee of why, like you know what it's like. And 414 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,400 then Doc was just like, oh, I don't know, like 415 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,880 whatever we have. It was a surreal, lunatic moment. 416 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: I will never forget the variety. I'll never forget every 417 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:34,119 time I like when I hear them the name will Updyke, 418 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:39,640 I think, what's your favorite? It was so good, oh, so. 419 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: Good man, some good ship. Back in the Lockdown clips. 420 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,079 Speaker 2: Days all right, when Doc was in Philly, sorry go ahead, 421 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,359 when we talked about Philly and it was COVID. There 422 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:56,079 was a was a zoom presser that recorded and Jackson 423 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,240 Frank who writes for I don't know who anymore, but 424 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:03,720 he cut Yeah. 425 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: He's it's for a different site though, because he was like, 426 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,920 I like Palestine, which is fair. 427 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:14,599 Speaker 2: He's in bed okay, and asked the question Doc was Jackson, 428 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,400 are you in bed right now? And it was like yeah, 429 00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:26,240 he goes shath of christ Man. 430 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: That's some good times, that's good ship. Doc was great 431 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:37,160 with the media, like Doc was okay, Anna fam Hello Anna. 432 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:39,319 She was on the last couple of streams. Hey guys, 433 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,400 I'm back is it just me or sometimes I see 434 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,440 Simmons just standing there looking scared to shoot. It was 435 00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:47,279 his first game. I watched zero NETS games before this 436 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:51,400 because I have thousands of better things to do than 437 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,920 watching NETS game. But I don't think he and I 438 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:58,079 mean this politely, it's fine that he's scared. He's not 439 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,279 here to shoot, He's here to pass. Right. 440 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that famously Ben Simmons scared to shoot ruined 441 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,680 his career. Actually, he was into the basket in a 442 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,519 playoff game, had a layup, passed it out. They lost. 443 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,720 Everybody blamed him. Doc threw him under the bus. Doc 444 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,759 quite literally he dragged him to the bus and then 445 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,160 drove the bus over him. 446 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Doc was Doc had one fit all the gas 447 00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:25,599 pedal out the window. 448 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 2: Just yeah, but uh yeah, I mean I think at 449 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,880 the beginning of the game I noticed that on a 450 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,440 few possessions and was like, that's Ben Simmons. But then 451 00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:43,359 as the game went on, he started to do things 452 00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:48,880 like attack the basket and he drove. He got free throws. 453 00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:52,559 Ben Simmons famously does anything to avoid shooting free throws. 454 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:54,640 Hit both of his free throws. Like there were things 455 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,079 that were really positive that happened as he kind of 456 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,480 settled into the game, but there are going to be 457 00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:01,640 times where just isn't going to look at the basket 458 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:01,920 at all. 459 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,079 Speaker 1: There was a great joke someone said, we did an 460 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,720 episode after they signed him, or they said, when we're 461 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:10,000 playing at home, can we get the reverse Chick fil 462 00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:13,319 A deal where if someone misses two cross for our 463 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:19,279 side of them forth we get chicken. Yeah. So I 464 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,880 like this take from Jonathan ang which is he made 465 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,440 the right decisions. Yeah, which he is, and follow me here. 466 00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:32,400 I did not plan on having three glasses of whiskey, 467 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,960 but the Clippers came back down from twenty. He is 468 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,400 an infinitely better decision maker than Shooter, so we should 469 00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:40,960 want him to make decisions. 470 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, agreed, so he'd look so. 471 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:51,319 Speaker 1: I think the other part of it, Lizo was saying, 472 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,119 the only thing I would say is a flaw was 473 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,920 when Ben had a one on one, he would pass 474 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,680 it backwards. It's his first game. I think he's trying 475 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,200 to show. He talked about feeling wanted in that presence, 476 00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:05,000 and I know we're getting real. You know, no numbers tonight, y'all, 477 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,920 but like he wants guys to know that he's here 478 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,920 to help. So I think for Game one, I'm not 479 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,039 digging too deep into like overpassing, because if you got 480 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,279 bought out for a lot of money and then went 481 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,359 to a team where he's a lot of restricted free 482 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,480 agent after this year, if he plays well, he could 483 00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:31,000 get a chance, you know, to help a contending team 484 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,079 or something and get a little stuffing after this. Like 485 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,559 I'm fine with the passivity in game one. 486 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, again, it's who he is. And like we didn't 487 00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:45,160 bring Ben Simmons into lead the bench in scoring. 488 00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: We were not logged in to do that. 489 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 2: That's what is so like that's not his role, right, Like, 490 00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:58,400 that's not who he's gonna be. He's a facilitator, he's 491 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,519 a backup five that stuff. 492 00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he needs time to gym. The bench has 493 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,440 been very bad. What's your concern? I mean, you got 494 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,880 we gotta feel better because Bogden's here on the bench 495 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,759 and he becomes the best total basketball player the Clippers 496 00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:23,599 bench had, Yeah, with an emphasis on scoring. But like 497 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:27,240 I feel post All Star Break, I'm gonna feel a 498 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:29,519 lot better about the bench because. 499 00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 2: It's Yeah, I agree, and I think that the reconfiguration 500 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,240 of kind of who they're putting around. The staggered star 501 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,240 makes a lot more sense now, like the bench makes sense. 502 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:50,599 It's enough players who can shoot while also having another 503 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,640 guy who can kind of handle the ball and play 504 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,440 a serviceable backup. Five. No disrespect to Mobamba, but fucking. 505 00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:01,759 Speaker 1: Yah, we're not sponsored by Bobi. 506 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: I can't stand playing Nikoba to more than fifteen minutes 507 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,400 a game, and was like, I guess I gotta play. 508 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: But Nico's also old, Like we need to save Nico. 509 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,519 Speaker 2: Yes, we always say that, but I think ty Ty 510 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,599 looks at Nico like he looked at Roco, and it's 511 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,839 like he just doesn't do anything on offense but stand 512 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,200 there and tie. For some reason doesn't like players like that. 513 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:28,319 So I do think that if if they're gonna stagger 514 00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:33,839 guys correctly, our bench woes and like blowing leads immediately 515 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,160 when they go to the bench unit, I think those 516 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,799 days are hopefully mostly over. Like obviously there's gonna be 517 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,920 games where Ben Simmons turns the ball over a bunch 518 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,440 and Bogie can't hit a shot and. 519 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: He's a bad shooting year. 520 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I do think that there's a real 521 00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:54,720 potential for for Bogie's progression to the means to happen 522 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,200 and fit around guys like Norm and James and Kawhi 523 00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:01,319 and you know, Ameir continues to shoot well, Nico shoots well. 524 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,680 Used the team makes more sense and is way less 525 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,759 lopsided in terms like players can do a little bit 526 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,079 of both, and we can kind of juice the offense 527 00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:13,480 a little bit more while not totally sacrificing all of 528 00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:14,720 the stuff we're doing with defense. 529 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,319 Speaker 1: I like what you said, like guys kind of like 530 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,039 because we've seen the Clippers have an issue with guys 531 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,319 kind of doing the same thing like we had like 532 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,079 the Roco saga and all that stuff, and now it's like, okay, 533 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,680 we have guys who like there's guys who can do 534 00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:31,000 a little more there, right, Like Bogie can do a 535 00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:34,079 little more offensive setting. Ben Simmons obviously with the offensive 536 00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:38,279 setting category this point that Andy eight one, two, nine three, 537 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,559 I mean to be the eighty first thousandth person named 538 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,400 Andy to get that user name. That's a pretty I mean, 539 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,279 that's not bad. There's a lot of Andy's a mer 540 00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:51,279 is gonna because we didn't see a mirror tonight, right, 541 00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,279 And AMR has a rotation spot with the Clippers team, 542 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,960 like rightfully, so he lights out from three. I'm not 543 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:00,759 sure if they're gonna be able to a ford a 544 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,119 mere next year. We'll see what happens. He's unrestricted and 545 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,000 they want to stay to the luxury tax anyway. Yeah, 546 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,240 it's a time to be pretty hyped, like we're gonna like, 547 00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:16,000 I like what you said though, Like there's gonna be 548 00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:20,440 nights where Bogden's still trying to come back from literally 549 00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:23,519 his worst shooting season that he's ever been in the NBA. 550 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,240 He's like eight percent, he's like eight percent below his 551 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,440 career average for three so far. Yeah, but we saw 552 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:35,319 both those guys on the court tonight in crucial time. 553 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,039 It was like it was nice to see. And yes, 554 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,079 as Clipper fans were used to seeing things working really 555 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:43,799 good right at the beginning and maybe not working so 556 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:50,680 well after the beginning, but Ben and Bogden being on 557 00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:54,519 the court together during like a key part of the 558 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,359 momentum comeback was nice to see. 559 00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:59,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree, And and it's good to 560 00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:02,880 see that they already have I mean, granted, not everybody 561 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,640 was available to tie, but they at least have ties trust. 562 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: And which is so weird and hard to get all 563 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,000 those clippers. 564 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a little mercurial, as they say in 565 00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:16,599 the business. 566 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you're like, okay, yeah, you're like this guy. 567 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:25,880 That's cool. We haven't even really, we haven't talked really 568 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,359 at all about uh Norm Powell, who did also play forty. 569 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:32,240 People were talking about how many minutes hard and played, 570 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,599 which was a lot. It was forty nine minutes. He 571 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,680 had thirty nine ten and seven. Yeah, Norm had forty 572 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:47,880 one points, I believe a career high. Yes, tonight, just 573 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,200 to fire up to chat were there were people who 574 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,519 were saying they should trade Norm. And I think it's 575 00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:55,960 funny because there was a funny graphic posted by law 576 00:32:56,079 --> 00:33:02,640 Murray which was comparing Norm to Zach Lavine, like it's 577 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:07,720 just the same, Like Norm's just better, Like how are 578 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:08,240 we feeling? 579 00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 2: Are we? 580 00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: And I don't want to I don't mean this in 581 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:14,599 a pessimistic way. I mean this at a I've had 582 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,359 too many unfortunate things happen. Way, is Norm gonna keep 583 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,759 this up because he's playing his the best basketball Norm 584 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:24,079 has ever played. 585 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 586 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm a part of me is on the edge of 587 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,200 my seat a little bit. 588 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the the regression for Norm isn't 589 00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:38,640 gonna be like, oh my god, Norm can't play basketball anymore. 590 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: Right, of course, he's not on like a he's not 591 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,559 on the precipice. He's on a plateau. Maybe he's not 592 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:47,039 hang over the edge. 593 00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:51,319 Speaker 2: Of the I do think that norms plus like his 594 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:55,160 superpower is catch and shoot three point shooting. He's been 595 00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,920 a literally like forty five pc catch and shoot three 596 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,039 point shooter for years, like for several seasons in a 597 00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:08,199 row now. So I think that as Kawhi comes online 598 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,039 and that makes things easier for James, that'll also make 599 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:15,239 things easier for Norm, and he won't be asked to 600 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,440 be better than Paul George, which he has been, which 601 00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:23,039 oh well, I mean this was this version of Norm 602 00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:28,760 Powell offensively might be better than almost any season Paul 603 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,239 George has had as a Clipper other than twenty one, 604 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:34,960 the year they were. 605 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: Clicking the playoffs before they got before Kawhi got hurt, 606 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,760 when we were they had that game against some maps 607 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,719 where it was like it was crazy. No, I guess 608 00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:47,360 we'll talk about Paul Georgian a few because man, he sucks. Yeah, 609 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,159 but normal, and again I'm not meeting this and like 610 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,599 a like, I love Norm, I could I think it 611 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,199 can't continue, but there is like or maybe I'm being 612 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,400 too cynical, right, Like I I think I think you're right, 613 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,320 though I think the drop is like he won't score 614 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,320 twenty eight points a night, He'll score twenty three or 615 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,639 twenty twenty one. Well we have Kawhi bringing that gravity 616 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:15,760 and that other defense, and now who knows what's unlocked 617 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,000 with the combinations for small ball stuff with Ben Simmons. 618 00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: Right exactly, Yeah, I think as the team gels, and 619 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,320 I think having a guy like Bogdan if he does 620 00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:30,320 progress back towards the mean, that relieves pressure from Norm 621 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,440 as well. Right, Norm doesn't have to play many minutes. 622 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,280 Norm isn't expected to do because they have. It's not 623 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,119 a like for like, but I like having more options 624 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,039 or follow if you will. Yeah, I like having more options, right, 625 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,119 Like if James is having an off night, you can 626 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:47,199 lean more on Norm, you can lean more on Bogie, 627 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,280 you can lean more maybe on Ben Simmons, depending on 628 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:49,960 how he looks. 629 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: But like the Clippers and more specific roles because like, yeah, 630 00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:57,519 those other guys can shoot, no disrespect it. 631 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,599 Speaker 2: But right I'm just saying like, we have more options 632 00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:03,159 now than we did before. 633 00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 1: I think one of the big things is more options, 634 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,159 less guys, which makes things a lot easier because when 635 00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,880 you have more options, more guys, you're like, well, shit, like, yeah, 636 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,320 that's kind of murky right here. Shout out Terrence Man, 637 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,599 who had a great second game with the Hawks. I 638 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,960 think a poor third one though, I'm not here to 639 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,599 talk about. I'm not here to throw slander on Terrence Man. 640 00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:29,000 I don't know what you came on the pod for. 641 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:32,480 I'm doing that. 642 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:34,519 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that tomorrow. I'm gonna handle that tomorrow. Yeah. 643 00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:37,599 Speaker 1: The Clippers head of the All Star break, I believe 644 00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:42,920 are we we're firmly six now, I believe right? Let 645 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:51,760 me yeah, this is like looking Yeah, the Clippers are 646 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,480 two games behind the Lakers and one game above the Timberwolves, 647 00:36:56,559 --> 00:37:00,039 and they're in the sixth spot. So we're seeing so 648 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:02,039 first of all, the thunder are the first spot. They're 649 00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,280 not losing it. They're eight games ahead of the Grizzlies. 650 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,199 The Grizzlies and Lakers from two, three, four, five that separate. 651 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,599 That's three games. That's its own block right there. I 652 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,679 think six to eight, right, now, the Clippers are up 653 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,280 on the eighth place Mavericks by two games, and the 654 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,159 Kings are a game and a half out of where 655 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:28,880 the Mavericks are, So we're the Clippers are on the 656 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,000 threshold of battling for that fitth seat. The Lakers call 657 00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:35,480 me crazy, I think are going to move up in 658 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:36,079 the standards. 659 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:41,039 Speaker 2: They could the team we need to keep the Rockets. 660 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,559 The Rockets are the ones that we could leap frog potentially. However, 661 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,039 we do have two games coming up against the Lakers 662 00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,519 after the All Star Break, back to back games that 663 00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:55,920 are going to be huge. So if if we can 664 00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:59,800 win those two games, I think we're right. We're right 665 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,840 in that sweet spot of being able to catch you 666 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,559 that the Rockets or the Lakers and kind of get 667 00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:09,800 out of the six. However, however, I don't know if 668 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,920 I'd hate being in the the two, seven, three, six 669 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,719 side of the bracket. 670 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,559 Speaker 1: I like this take from Septa that the MAVs will 671 00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:21,840 fade the everyone for the Maps. Yeah, yeah, because they 672 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,519 did what they did. Yeah, you wouldn't sorry, you wouldn't 673 00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:31,639 hate what spot in the bracket staying at six. I mean, 674 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,639 as long as we're not in the plan. If we're 675 00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:35,920 on the play and I'm fright. 676 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 2: Respondent, Yeah, no, for sure, I respondent. Yeah. I just 677 00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:46,480 think I think the two seven three six side of 678 00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:49,360 the bracket is like you almost kind of want to 679 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,159 be like, all right, this is where we're gonna sit, 680 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,840 because we're gonna put the thunder out, you know, as 681 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,039 far as we can, and hope that they run into 682 00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:01,760 say the Lakers or something. Oh sorry, they don't have 683 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,920 a d anymore, but somebody who has a big that's 684 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,000 gonna you know, beat them up. 685 00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: So but even still, I mean I like that idea, 686 00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:13,719 like just avoiding the thunder as long as long as 687 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,239 they can. I I you know, I just I hope 688 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,280 Into It gets gets a home home playoff game, because 689 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,199 Into It for a home playoff game is gonna be 690 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,039 if anyone's watching, who's in the wall, shout out for 691 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:29,039 all you've done the wall was clutch tonight or some 692 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:35,079 some key periods. Yeah. Playoff wise, I'm like, it's all 693 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,280 just thrown into the mix now, like we don't we 694 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,119 don't know what's gonna happen. Like the King, I could 695 00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,719 also see the Kings making like a stut, like a 696 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,519 dumb run, like like oh, the Kings are like the 697 00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:50,400 eighth seed now for no reason, because they're obviously not 698 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:57,280 gonna win. All right, Yeah, I'm happy we're sticking in 699 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,280 the six going into the All Star Break because we 700 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,480 need there was a world they were down twenty to that, 701 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000 like they could have easily lost this game, and it 702 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:07,480 has been. 703 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 2: A lot different, right exactly. 704 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,519 Speaker 1: All right, do you have anything else you want to 705 00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:14,440 say about the Clippers. I'm I'm about to head out. 706 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,599 I'm sleepy, I'm doing all the I'm taking All Star 707 00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:19,519 Break on myself, got a little trip. Please please do it. 708 00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:22,360 I just say James was incredible. 709 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 2: James. 710 00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:25,599 Speaker 1: Yes, we didn't talk about a lot of guys tonight, 711 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:30,159 which we apologize for. I guess he wasn't very good offensively. 712 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 2: We will see that. 713 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: Ben was great. Yeah, we we talked. I don't know, 714 00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:38,119 it was a good time. All right. Sorry, you're you're 715 00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:40,000 referendum on the Clippers. We don't know what. We'll have 716 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,840 you back next time. Joseph and I recorded a great 717 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,800 podcast once when we thought that Marcus Morris got traded 718 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,440 for Malcolm Brogden. Oh yeah, that was lost to the archives. 719 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,280 I was so excited everyone we traded fucking margains worms 720 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,760 for Malcabogin, we are going to the chip and then 721 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,840 they were like, psych, Malcolm Martin's too hurt. 722 00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 2: And then we kept for us anyway. 723 00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:11,639 Speaker 1: Oh wait, hold on, I think your referendum should be 724 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,920 to the guy who was very late. Tell Clippers fans 725 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,599 how bad looked tonight and how they can feel about 726 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,400 Ben Simmons the rest of the season. 727 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 2: Ben looked exactly how I said he was going to look, 728 00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:30,880 and I was right and you were wrong. Okay, that's no. 729 00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:34,760 He looked awesome. He really, He really did a great job. 730 00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:38,599 Pushed the pace, made great passes, good rebounds, played solid defense, 731 00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:40,400 even intact the basket a little bit, got to the 732 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:50,440 free throw line and was playing confident and you know, 733 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,400 game ty Streuss was playing down the stretch and played 734 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,800 big minutes. He that Tye literally shived one of the 735 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,119 sports science guys who came to tell him about his 736 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,320 minutes restriction. He was like, he's going back in the 737 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,559 game and there's nothing you can do about it. 738 00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 1: You said sports Science, And I was like, did they 739 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,400 do a segment about Ben Simmons on Sports Science? At 740 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,599 one point? Like Ben Simmons can throw a pass, as 741 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:19,199 fast as yeah, someone telling but to apologize to Ben 742 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:23,440 for what I wanted the Clippers to side him. All right, 743 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,079 I have to get out of here. Joseph I Award, 744 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,719 Thank you so much. For those of you who don't know, 745 00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:32,599 Spain is an OG with Clippers coverage and Clippers podcasts, 746 00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:35,480 you better get used to it. Maybe you'll be on more. 747 00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:39,079 Let's hope. So We're not coming this one out on 748 00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:42,639 audio because I'm too tired. I hope everyone has a 749 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,239 good all Star break. Here's to the Clippers coming back, 750 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,440 Straw getting the rest they need, and as always, let's 751 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,000 go clips