WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.200 Baby, I'm a gangstera too. It takes a little tangle. 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:06.320 You don't want to mess with me? 3 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:07.200 Mess with me? 4 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:16.359 Baby a gangster too, Baby, you're a Gangstatoo. 5 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.760 For good warnings, this podcast is designed to take you 6 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.800 outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality. 7 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:31.640 Listening Discretion is a vibe. 8 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:39.520 What the fellas? 9 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:43.399 This ain't my first time at the. 10 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:53.600 Rodeo On Thursday night, we got a party going on 11 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:54.920 over here through Go rejects. 12 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:56.679 We got a bunch of people. 13 00:00:56.719 --> 00:01:00.920 We got the mad Scientists herself, Lisa. We got my 14 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:04.879 favorite garbage can do jj Vance. We got my boy Thrash, 15 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:09.640 we got the spiritual gangster herself, the Catholics last Nastic Theresa, 16 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:14.680 and we also got uh. We got my boy magic Mike, 17 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:17.599 you know we can't forget him. And we got the 18 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:21.359 one and only headless Giant with us. I'm not gonna 19 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:23.359 have all of them introduced themselves because there was way 20 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:25.400 too many people here. If you want to get in 21 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:27.239 touch with them or find their stuff, I'm sure their 22 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:29.000 links are in the bottom. If not, I will edit 23 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:33.120 after the fact. But tonight we do have back Julia 24 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:36.959 from Cosmic Peach podcast. We're doing part two to Program 25 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:40.719 to Kill. Just due to how it went last week. 26 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:44.280 I'm taking this down probably after the live so if 27 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:46.480 you're catching it now, good for you. I may not 28 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.239 be up too long after the fact. Yes, we got 29 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:51.280 a strike last week, so we don't want that to 30 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:54.560 happen again. But Julia, thank you so much for coming back. 31 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:57.519 We had a blest on the first episode. You know, 32 00:01:57.599 --> 00:01:59.319 we really had a good time and just a lot 33 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:01.519 of a lot of stuff in a short amount of time. 34 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:04.680 And just you know, I'd be totally honest. It's even 35 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.319 on your own series. I think it's packed with information 36 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:09.479 and packed with stuff, so you alone, you know, I 37 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:11.879 thought it was just great, but you know, bringing it 38 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:13.840 to the occult Rejex, you know it was. It was 39 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:15.759 awesome to have you have all of us get in 40 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:16.039 on it. 41 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:18.680 But yeah, for real, was a great time. Actually I 42 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:19.439 had a great time. 43 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:21.599 Hell yeah, hell yeah yeah. And for real, for people 44 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:25.039 who you know may not have heard it, go check 45 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.479 out her Program to Kill series. It's definitely definitely very 46 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:31.560 packed with information. I mean it'll even be making you 47 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:33.599 laugh in some ways. I mean she had me cracking 48 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:35.759 up on episode two, but it was it was actually 49 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:38.000 a lot of info and it will say the music 50 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:39.960 in the background is very well done. I was impressed, 51 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:43.319 so yeah, I was like, wow, this is pretty cool. 52 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.159 Yeah yeah, so go check out the show. It's it's 53 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:50.719 impressive stuff. But again, just in case all the new 54 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:52.479 you know, the new listeners or whatever, may not know 55 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.879 who you are, Juliet, kind of give people an idea 56 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:56.800 about like what you do your podcast and where they 57 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:58.280 can find all your amazing work. Please. 58 00:02:59.039 --> 00:02:59.919 Yeah, thanks so much. 59 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:03.199 So, like you said, I have Cosmic Peach podcasts. You 60 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.400 could probably just throw it up into Google and find 61 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.800 it somewhere where you listen to podcasts, Spotify, Apple, wherever. 62 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:12.039 I don't have YouTube because it's like you said earlier, 63 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:14.400 fuck them and they're always. 64 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:15.400 Taking down my good shit. 65 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:18.319 And I just kind of like, when I when I 66 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:20.400 get to start recording something, I don't want to have 67 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:24.000 to censor myself or leave very important information out. So 68 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:27.560 I just took myself off YouTube eventually because I just 69 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:29.800 wanted to be able to record and say the things 70 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:33.599 that I wanted to say. And luckily Apple and Spotify, 71 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:38.759 maybe you know, they're they're less censored, I guess, but 72 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:44.000 I haven't gotten penalized or anything for posting shit over there. 73 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:47.240 So and I do have a Patreon for bonus content 74 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:51.680 and early access for all my episodes and stuff. And 75 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:57.120 I actually just did a bonus episode with Colby from 76 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:01.479 Conspiracy playt Time about Jeffrey dot and that's actually a 77 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:04.639 really good episode. I'm going to touch on a few 78 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:07.280 of the things that we covered in that episode today, 79 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:10.120 so I'm really excited. But yeah, that's where you can 80 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.520 find me. And we were kind of talking before we 81 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:16.680 started recording, but I think the last time we all 82 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.600 got together was banging. It was it was, you know, 83 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:24.519 a group effort and everybody was kind of contributing shit 84 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:26.519 and I loved it. 85 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:29.600 Yeah, it was a lot of fun. And I'm expecting 86 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:31.959 this one will be good. And I'm sure, you know, 87 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:33.839 sneak Peek, I am hoping to make it work that 88 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.639 her and Kolbe will be coming back on hoping with 89 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:39.519 this whole crew too if they want to cover Loyl canyons. 90 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:43.439 So I'm expecting that to be exciting and fun and informational. 91 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:45.839 Oh but yeah, thank you very much. 92 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:49.480 I did about that too, you know. 93 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:51.839 The I don't know if I mentioned maybe I did, 94 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:55.079 but the Laurel Canyon Book and Program to Kill are 95 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.800 written by the same guy, Dave McGowan. So I mean, 96 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:00.199 if you love one, you're gonna love the other as 97 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:04.439 well because it's just super well done research and shit 98 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.279 that nobody really talks about. 99 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:08.040 I mean, I guess people talk about Laurel O. 100 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:12.120 Kenyon stuff more now than they used to, but I mean, 101 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.120 really people just focus on like Jim Morrison and shit 102 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.920 like like that. That's the big one person they know 103 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.240 that has like CIA connections. 104 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:22.560 Nice. 105 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:24.879 You know one thing you said before too, which is 106 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:27.240 you know, I I'm glad that you say that that 107 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:28.879 you know you don't mess with YouTube because you're not 108 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:32.240 going to sensor yourself. It's unfortunate that that episode you know, 109 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:34.240 this isn't going to drop on YouTube because I'm not 110 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:34.759 gonna edit it. 111 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:37.399 You know what I'm saying, So like I'm still dropping it. 112 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:39.519 It's just it's unfortunate that, you know, YouTube is like that, 113 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:41.000 I'm not going to be able to put it on there. 114 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:42.600 But good for you. I'm glad you don't. 115 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:45.240 You know, you don't sensor your stuff due to a platform, 116 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:46.199 because some people will do that. 117 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:47.399 I don't think it's worth it. 118 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.759 Yeah, yeah, it's just it's not worth it to me. 119 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:55.040 And you know, the Program to Kill series that's available 120 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.360 on my show is just part of like several mini 121 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:01.319 series I did. The first one was called The Pedophocracy, 122 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.720 and then the second one was called Uncle Sam Wants 123 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.519 Your Children. YouTube would have probably taken that down just 124 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:11.560 by the fucking name of it, and then the third 125 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:14.000 one was Programmed to Kill. In the very last series 126 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.680 that I did with Colby is called blood Ties, and 127 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:20.560 it's all about, uh, like the superstars as they call them, 128 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:25.560 Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer and 129 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.759 those are the serial killers that they referred to as 130 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:33.439 the Superstars. But in Program to Kill, I kind of 131 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:36.279 touched on some serial killers that have kind of gone 132 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:38.839 under the radar, and actually some of them I don't 133 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:40.839 even I think they just got like a bunch of 134 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.079 shit pinned on them that they didn't even really do. 135 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:47.000 So it's it's crazy to me. And it's if you 136 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:48.319 look at how some. 137 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:52.480 Of these serial killers are operating, it's just like the 138 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:57.560 fucking CIA, fucking Weapons of Opportunity, fucking you know what 139 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:04.600 I'm saying. They're literally following a program and it's it's 140 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:06.879 like Henry Lee Lucas. 141 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:09.600 Did we talk about him in the last episode? I forget. 142 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.959 I think we might have briefly touched on him. We 143 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:16.600 brought him up, We brought so are you guys familiar 144 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:17.800 with this This guy? 145 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:21.079 He's got like periodontal disease and ship he's got like 146 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:22.839 one straight tooth in the front. 147 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:24.800 Never seen this guy. 148 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:27.279 I love how that becomes a fact one of his 149 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:27.879 like you know. 150 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:36.879 Facts, Oha Reesa. 151 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:40.639 Oh my god, dude, do share screen right now. I'd 152 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:42.560 pull up a fucking picture of him because it's just 153 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:44.759 like one long tooth in the brazing. 154 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:47.240 Is there a thing with like mk ultra people like 155 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:50.399 being twisted? Because like it was a it was an 156 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:52.839 mk ultra doctor thrash, wasn't it. 157 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:53.240 They didn't. 158 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:54.759 One of the guys we cover had like a bum 159 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:56.480 leg or a bum arm, and another guy had to 160 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:57.279 screw it up legas. 161 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:00.120 It's like, what's up with everybody being deformed and screw. 162 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:03.360 Yeah deformed? 163 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:09.079 I think Alan Dolas had a bum leg and. 164 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.879 Uh there was somebody who worked with him that I think, uh. 165 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:15.120 Got what's his name? 166 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:18.040 Got leave? Yeah, I got leave. 167 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:21.360 And that's how they bonded because they both had like. 168 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:28.720 Like screwed up, so they were both like they had 169 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:30.839 they looked like Lieutenant Dan or what. 170 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:34.240 They had. 171 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:39.320 Ship. 172 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:41.159 I mean, not all of them are deformed. 173 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:41.360 You know. 174 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:43.480 Some people like to say, like Ted Bundy was a 175 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:46.559 good looking guy. I mean, so it's like they don't 176 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.519 really care what you look like or obviously because Henry 177 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:51.960 Lee Lucas looks like a straight up crackhead. 178 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:53.639 But he. 179 00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:59.600 Got a Netflix series dedicated to him, called The Confession Killer, 180 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.120 and that's the first time that I had ever heard 181 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:06.200 of him is because it was real sensationalized and everyone 182 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:09.720 everyone was posting like reels and shit on Instagram about oh, 183 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:13.360 the Confession Killer, and essentially they kind of made fun 184 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.440 of him, like if we got him a chicken nugget 185 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.120 meal and a strawberry shake, he would just start confessing 186 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:24.000 to any any open case, cold case file that they 187 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:26.159 would put in front of him. And by the end 188 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:29.120 of it, I think they said he killed like, I 189 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:31.720 don't know, one hundred and twenty seven to two hundred people, 190 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.200 and some of it didn't even make sense because he 191 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:37.440 would have had it been in two places at one time. 192 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:42.039 But what struck me as interesting is he knew intimate 193 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:46.159 details about the crime scenes that he in, the murders 194 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.960 that he was confessing to that he shouldn't know. That 195 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:53.200 was never mainstream knowledge. So let's say he didn't do 196 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:56.559 these murders, but he was getting convicted for them anyways, 197 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.879 because he's confessing to them. Somebody is feeding him in 198 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:04.200 in somebody is telling him information about these crime scenes 199 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:07.879 that he couldn't possibly know, So when he confesses, it 200 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:11.639 almost sounds like it's probable that he could have done it, 201 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:15.559 because how else would he know that. And then later 202 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.679 on in life, he writes a book called The Hand 203 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:21.279 of Death Cult or something like that, or maybe it's 204 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:24.480 called just called the Hand of Death, and he's talking 205 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:30.480 about like getting recruited by secret military type I don't know, 206 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:34.360 it's like a program and they're training serial killers and 207 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:39.240 he talks about this. He talks about some kind of 208 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.960 Hand of Death cult that was in charge of this shit. 209 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:46.320 And you know, his mom used to dress him up 210 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.879 like a girl when he was a kid. And it 211 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.399 ends up being like kind of multi generational with him 212 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.960 and his killing partner Otis Tool. They both kind of 213 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:00.600 had like multi generational trauma in their family of like 214 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:02.039 dressing the boys. 215 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:02.759 Up like girls. 216 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:06.559 And I think one of their grandmas was like a 217 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:09.759 Satanist or something like that, either Otis or Henry, I 218 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:17.159 can't remember now. But they always killed with weapons of opportunity, 219 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:21.200 just like the CIA handout she would tell you to do. 220 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:24.120 It was never the same way. It wasn't like it 221 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:27.559 wasn't like Ted Bundy where they were always strangled and bludgeoned, 222 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.519 or you know Jeff Dahmer, he fucking made pull pork 223 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.639 sandwiches out of everybody. It was different every single time. 224 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:38.840 Some would be stabbing, some would be shooting, some would 225 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:41.399 get smothered, some would get decapitated. 226 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:43.240 Like, it was never the same. 227 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:48.919 And if you start looking at people like Richard Ramirez, 228 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:54.759 who also killed with weapons of opportunity, it's just starts 229 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:56.639 to kind of make a little bit more sense. It's 230 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:00.919 like you always say, Nick, you can't separate government programs 231 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:04.720 and ritualistic programs. I think they're one and the same. 232 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:07.840 And so when you say something is like, oh, well 233 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:11.080 they're programmed to kill, they're part of like the CIA 234 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:14.559 or something like that, and they're all Satanists. I think 235 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:17.440 those two things can be synonymous. I don't know about 236 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:17.919 you guys. 237 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:21.000 So well, if you think about it, all the professional 238 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.080 killers working for the government have to do some kind 239 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.480 of ritual to get into that mindset in the first place. 240 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.519 So you know, the idea that there would be ritual 241 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:34.279 killers out there sort of doing the same thing, whether 242 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.320 or not they're associated with the government, would definitely have 243 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:38.639 that same sort of process. 244 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:39.480 Mm. 245 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:42.320 This goes way back. I mean you can you can 246 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:46.080 look back at the pottery from the Mycenee and Greeks 247 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:49.679 and you'll see, you know, as these two warriors are 248 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:54.080 going out, you've got these two messengers for the king 249 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.919 behind them that nobody's allowed to touch. 250 00:12:57.639 --> 00:12:57.799 Right. 251 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:00.000 And So to me, the first thing that popped up 252 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.039 in my head is like, are these guys all programmed 253 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:05.440 to kill? Is this what's going on here? Maybe never 254 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:07.759 been what we think it is. Maybe it's always been 255 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:09.639 this sort of ritual human sacrifice. 256 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:11.159 Yeah. 257 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:14.480 And I don't know if anybody else has anything to 258 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:16.639 add about that, but I think we could go even 259 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:21.440 to like one of my favorite occult serial killers, who 260 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.480 I think I know who it is, but that's up 261 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:27.320 for debate, would be Jack the Ripper. I think he 262 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:32.159 was also a part of an occult society. I've done 263 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:34.720 a lot of research into it, and I'm pretty sure 264 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:40.720 that Helena Lavotsky was was besties with this guy. He 265 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.039 was a doctor, and he was into all these occult 266 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:47.639 and they fucking had him as a consultant on the 267 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:48.399 crime scenes. 268 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:51.039 Dude, you know how serial killers have to go back. 269 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:55.840 The originally fauci kind of Yeah, So this guy was 270 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:56.360 in all. 271 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:59.759 These occult circles and one of his besties was Helena Blovotsky, 272 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:02.960 and fucking nobody puts those two pieces together. 273 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.840 Nobody puts those two pieces together. His name was doctor Rick, 274 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.320 doctor fucking fox Stick. I don't know what his last 275 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:10.679 name was. 276 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.840 It was something talking about Holmes, that guy. 277 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:16.519 No, no, it's a weird last name. 278 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:21.159 They just found genetic analysis published in January of twenty 279 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:24.279 twenty five, which claims to have identified Jack the Ripper 280 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:26.879 as Aaron Kosminsky. 281 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:31.639 I don't believe it, and I don't believe they're DNA 282 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:34.919 testing either. They could fucking test some DNA. There is 283 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:38.039 no DNA from the They didn't collect any, and if 284 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:40.480 they did, it's all fucking contaminated and shit. They were 285 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:43.080 the second they rolled up on a dead body. 286 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:43.600 They were all. 287 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:45.720 Touching it and rolling it over, and shit, there's no 288 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:49.320 way that they can get good DNA from from per victim. 289 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:52.559 I will tell you though, I'm relentless, and when I 290 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.440 get to start researching something, somebody find the name of 291 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:56.919 that fucking doctor guy. 292 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:02.120 Yo, you know what I wanted to say real quick, 293 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:03.919 And I didn't find out until like a week or 294 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.279 two ago, maybe the most you know, who else the 295 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.240 croley actually came out and said was Jack the ripper? 296 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:15.440 Helena? Yeah, yeah, she was. I think she liked behind it. 297 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:17.039 She came and wrote it someway. 298 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:20.519 I don't think she was strong enough to do it herself. 299 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:21.799 I think she had this this. 300 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.960 I think his name was Dodgson or something. I could 301 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:28.360 be wrong, but she she had this doctor guy doing it. 302 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.240 And they said, whoever is doing this is probably a doctor. 303 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:34.440 He said she was using it for a ritual to 304 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:36.279 actually gain more like powers. 305 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:39.440 Yes, I know if you look at it, if you 306 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.600 look at some of the crime scene details or whatever 307 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:44.960 the victims were bled out first, and if anybody who 308 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:47.759 is familiar with field dressing animals, that's exactly what you 309 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:51.919 do first, because you want a clean you know landscape 310 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:55.919 or whatever to kind of know what you're collecting and 311 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:59.679 know what you're dissecting out. And then also when they 312 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:02.960 said that most of the stuff that were removed and 313 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:06.559 it wasn't the same organ every single victim. Some had 314 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.919 the heart, some had an intestine, some had a liver, 315 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.519 some had a bladder. There was one where they removed 316 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.919 the uterus, bladder, vaginal. 317 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:19.320 Canal, Like, yes, see, what the fuck are they doing 318 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:19.600 with that? 319 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:23.480 And then the other thing is, and Nick and I 320 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:26.480 were talking about this is that in almost all of 321 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.399 the victims, the intestine was draped over the right side, 322 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:32.120 and I was like, that means a guy was left 323 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:35.559 handed whoever was doing. Whenever you're field dressing, and anybody 324 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.480 chime in field dressing, if you're not hanging them upside 325 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:42.679 down to where all of the intestine or viscera falls down, 326 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:46.039 you have to kind of pull the actual intestine away 327 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:48.639 so that you can see what you're doing. Because the 328 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.399 moment that you nick the intestine, everything is damaged. You 329 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:54.120 can't ever eat that meat or anything like that, So 330 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:56.320 you want to move that completely away so that it's 331 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:58.879 not in the way of anything. Nick and I were 332 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:03.039 talking about the death. It was probably either harvesting organs, 333 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:07.599 whether it's for ritual or for collecting of something or experiments, 334 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.839 because there was a lot of rich people. 335 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:14.880 There was a lot Well if you if you look 336 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.160 at the victims where they were found and you connect 337 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.920 them in the order that they were killed, it makes 338 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.480 a big pentagram. So you tell me that it's just 339 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.559 some random idiot out there just slashing and dashing people. 340 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:29.279 They tried. 341 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.400 The Smithsonian came out with this article and they were 342 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:34.519 trying to pin it on this local butcher guy. 343 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:35.880 And it's like, oh, well, he. 344 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:38.519 Lives so far away from the card fuck you and 345 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:42.599 anything the Smithsonian puts out I'm immediately skeptical of. 346 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:45.480 And I think that it's all fucking fucked up narrative. 347 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.519 Anyways, I agree ud fuck the Smithsonian. 348 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:48.839 Oh. 349 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:52.559 I was saying, you know some of the do you 350 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.599 know where to get some of these autopsy records? 351 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:57.599 Do you the movie from Hell. 352 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:01.680 They put They blame it on an a cold person too. 353 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:05.599 I actually went and I just started scouring pages of 354 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.279 fucking and you can find stuff thrash. 355 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:09.319 What were you gonna say, man? 356 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.400 Oh, I was just gonna mention like divination of organs 357 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.119 and stuff like how a lot of tribes will use 358 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:19.839 like pagan testings and stuff. 359 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:25.000 Thectorian era was chalk full of all of that, like 360 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:28.359 organ magic. They talked about it all the time. It 361 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:30.400 went hand in hand with all the surgical ship. 362 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:34.480 Let me see somebody take the wheel for a second. 363 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:39.440 I gotta find this doctor. Is it doctor Thomas Neil Cream? No, 364 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:42.119 it was a weird last name. I'm telling you it was. 365 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:49.319 I did a whole tumble tea. You know what when 366 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:50.680 I hear it as. 367 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:52.799 Trunk SAMSONI. 368 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:57.880 Are we talking about Jack the Ripper right now? 369 00:18:58.839 --> 00:18:59.039 Yeah? 370 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.440 Okay, so it wasn't. One of the victims. 371 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:08.279 Apparently was Alistair Crowley's maid or nanny who he lost 372 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:11.960 his virginity to. Really and how he got the nickname 373 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:16.160 the Beast. So that would be very important magically to 374 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:19.480 those guys to sacrifice her, you know what I mean? 375 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:22.319 Just another interesting time with that. 376 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:23.559 What would be her? 377 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:24.880 I wonder what her name was? 378 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:26.279 Had a huge. 379 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:33.880 Robert don Ston Stevenson, that's his fuc name. There's some 380 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:37.519 motherfucker right there. You're looking at Jack the fucking Ripper. 381 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.960 I'm telling you, guys, I'm telling you guys, that's that's. 382 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:47.319 Him right there. Be Yeah, he's got a handlebar mustache. 383 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:52.519 He was friends with her, all right, and he was 384 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:54.359 a consultant on the murders. 385 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:54.839 You know. 386 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:58.039 It's like a lot of murderers will go back and 387 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:00.480 revisit their crime scenes and they want to be a 388 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.480 part of it, and they want to like, uh you 389 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.279 know what they say, like get the the spotlight away 390 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:08.960 from them because it's like, oh, it couldn't be him. 391 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:12.240 He's helping out with the cakes, right right. 392 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:18.200 But Mike was saying the Black Dolly guy, the George 393 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.839 Hodell mm hmm, that guy too seems to be pretty. 394 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:27.160 I mean he's Laurel Canyon. Hodel is Laurel Kenyon. 395 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:31.759 And is a Mayan house Yeah yeah yeah. 396 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:35.519 And then his daughter, Hodell's daughter grows up and becomes 397 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:39.519 best friends with Michelle Phillips and he's and he was 398 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:44.559 incestuous with his kids, and fucking John Phillips was incestuous 399 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.079 with his kids. So it's like a big fucking cult 400 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:49.720 that they're in where they fuck kids. I'm sorry this 401 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:54.359 is going on YouTube, but ok, okay, but they fucked 402 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:57.279 their kids and they do this ship. They the the 403 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:02.319 Black Dolia was so reminiscent of the Ripper style of 404 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:03.400 killing and shit. 405 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:06.200 I mean those it's birds of a feather to. 406 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:12.640 Me, like like that was there's like dismembered body parts 407 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:13.680 basically in the paper. 408 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:15.480 They get off on it. They get off on it. 409 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:18.640 Did I mention in the last episode, And I'm sure 410 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:20.400 we'll get into well, I am going to get into 411 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:25.319 it later, but one of the podestas, either John or 412 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:32.720 the fuck another one, Tony Tony. They have a one 413 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:37.559 of them has a golden Jeffrey Dahmer victim hanging in 414 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:39.319 there Tony. 415 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:42.039 Sculpture. 416 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:42.880 Yeah. 417 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:46.680 So it's like it's like they're proud of this ship. 418 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:51.599 They get off on this ship. Yeah, and it's because 419 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:53.920 it's home grown. And I'll kind of get into that 420 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:54.519 in a minute. 421 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:59.599 It's because like, if you were gonna create this ultimate evil, 422 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:05.160 right and it personifies as someone like Jeffrey Dahmer, my god. 423 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:05.920 You'd be you'd be. 424 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:09.599 It's like having a straight A student or some shit like. 425 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:13.759 That's that's the what they're going for. That's their goal, 426 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:19.319 is to have this horrible monster unleashed into the world. 427 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:24.440 I mean, he's one of the superstars, you know that 428 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:27.319 they talk about. But one of the other ones that 429 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:31.200 I'm sure you guys might be familiar with some of 430 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:34.119 the stuff I'm going to go over though, is Manson. 431 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:38.319 He's a superstar. He'll always be a superstar. Everybody thinks 432 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:44.000 he's great. And and you know, even at the time, 433 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:47.759 he's Laurel Canyon too, the the guy from the Beach Boys. 434 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:54.039 What's his name, Brian Dennis, Yeah, Dennis Wilson. He had 435 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:56.880 he had Charles Manson and his all his. 436 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.839 Family members posted up in his house and was just 437 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.119 like paying for all their ship and was like, oh, 438 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:07.880 Charlie is great. And Neil Young I think was second 439 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:11.920 is dick left and right, I mean metaphorically and with 440 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:16.559 oh Charlie's great, Charlie's this and that, and he Neil 441 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:19.960 Young is one of the biggest fucking vaccine pushing I'll 442 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:21.599 take myself off Spotify. 443 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:25.119 Motherfucker's ever. It's you know, all this shit goes together, 444 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:29.240 all this ship. You guys are laughing, I'm serious. He 445 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:32.119 said he was gonna take himself off Spotify. Like that's 446 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:38.559 gonna ruin somebody's days. I better go get jabbed right now. 447 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:41.640 Where Neil Young's gonna take his three good songs off. 448 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:49.319 Spotify, like, come on, I'll just on YouTube, right, But 449 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:52.640 it's like that it's the same people who are our 450 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:56.400 besties with Charles Manson and so me and Colby talked 451 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:00.079 about this in my new series Blood Ties, and and 452 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:04.359 I'm not one hundred percent sure that the Tate and 453 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:07.720 or the Lobyanka murders really went down how they say 454 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:08.119 they did. 455 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:10.400 I think there's a lot of questions about it. 456 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:13.920 I think that Charlie was doing some MK ultra type 457 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:16.000 shit on this spawn movie Ranch. 458 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:20.599 I think that uh, Julia J I don't know. 459 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:24.319 Jj has a game he could play. It's six Degrees 460 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:25.200 of Charles Manson. 461 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:32.960 What my games and Operation GCD six Degrees of Charles Manson? Good? 462 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:33.440 What is it? 463 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:35.599 You can't just talk about it. 464 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:39.720 It's in place of, uh, you know, Kevin Bacon's game, 465 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:43.920 Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. Are you familiar with this concept? 466 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:45.000 No? 467 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:45.680 Not really? 468 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.759 Oh wow, okay, there's a famous game that started in 469 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.759 the nineties. Kevin Bacon hates it. I incorporated a clip 470 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:55.279 of him asking for new Patsy in the game. So 471 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:59.720 it's my make a wish for Kevin Bacon. I find 472 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:01.240 a new Patsy Charles Manson. 473 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:03.279 Okay, all right. 474 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.000 I mean a lot of the details you're talking about 475 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:10.079 surrounding Manson. The key concept that's often ever looked is 476 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.880 the processed church of the final judgment. When you're talking 477 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:16.279 about you know, the the tatans Planski's, they were ever 478 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:19.440 in rome with the process immediately preceding the murders. 479 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:20.039 Right right. 480 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:23.079 I think that Roman Polanski definitely had more to do 481 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:25.440 it with it than he lets On, that's for sure. 482 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:27.480 Oh, for sure. There was definitely a whole Yeah, the 483 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:30.559 whole the public narrative is largely spawned by the DA's 484 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:33.640 office in Nucleiosi, who's uh, you know, been out at 485 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.799 every time as a you know, wizard of of pr basically, 486 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:38.680 but not of justice. 487 00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:39.680 Mm hmm. 488 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:43.880 And I was just gonna say, drawing this all back in, uh, 489 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:46.960 Kevin Bacon was in Once upon a Time in Hollywood, 490 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:50.240 that Tarantino movie about the Manson burd So. 491 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:54.720 Huh no, that's a good. Yeah, it's a good It 492 00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:57.359 was a good kind of reimagination of the murders too. 493 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:01.119 Right, okay, right, yeah, yeah, well, you know I thought 494 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.720 it was a good movie. I typically like Tarantino stuff. Yeah, 495 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:10.920 but Tarantino in and of himself defended Roman Polanski when he. 496 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:17.880 Raped that fucking thirteen year old right one hundred he did, Right. 497 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:19.200 That's all it comes down. 498 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:20.200 He definitely did. Yeah. 499 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.319 You know what Colby said, He was like, why do 500 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.680 all the creeps make all the good movies? I was like, 501 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.000 because that like goes with if you like something, if 502 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.079 something is massively popular, they're probably a fucking creep. 503 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.680 Like look at you know, Steven Spielberg and all that shit. 504 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:40.960 I mean, the creepiest ones are the ones that make 505 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:41.759 the best stuff. 506 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:45.640 I think one thing that Tarantino did once upon a 507 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:47.640 time in Hollywood, as far as he did the whole 508 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:50.200 reimagination thing of the murders, but he did incorporate a 509 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:54.039 lot of the other manson like an alternative, you know, 510 00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:58.000 corollarly aspects to the storyline. For example, Bruce Lee, who 511 00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:00.519 never gets mentioned within the whole narrative of that time. 512 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:05.720 He was close friends with Sharon Tate and with Jay Sebring, 513 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:10.559 one of the other victims, so he never he's included 514 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.720 in that movie. Tarantina did that on purpose because he 515 00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:14.359 was part of that. 516 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.039 Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that is true with what he's 517 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:24.160 getting at you really don't hear much about Bruce Ley 518 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:26.279 actually being like kind of connected to that whole crew. 519 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:28.519 There's a lot of people that actually. 520 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:28.799 There's a. 521 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.640 Lot of interesting gyms in there, like, for instance, like 522 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:35.279 when they're going into El Coyote. 523 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.359 I've said this before on an episode. 524 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.039 I don't quite remember which one, but if you look 525 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:44.640 in the background at the movie theater, in the background, 526 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:49.039 there's a pornography film, but it's the first pornography film 527 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:54.640 that was shown in movie theaters, and there's a like 528 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:58.000 a scene like where she Sharon Tate's going in and 529 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:01.799 she says, uh, something like like I didn't know they 530 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:07.039 showed newdi films at the premieres. And the key tie 531 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.000 in with that is that there the Mafia basically ran 532 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.759 the pornography ring in La. And it's kind of hinting 533 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.440 at that because they if you if you know who 534 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.519 actually funded that first film, it was to hold the 535 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:29.079 Mafia of La which ties into the other victims, not 536 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:33.920 the Tait victims, but the loon name, Yeah, the Lobbyancas. 537 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.559 Yes, because he was like like a bookie and stuff 538 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:37.039 for the mob. 539 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:39.839 Yet you know he had like two hundred and fifty 540 00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:44.240 thousand dollars unpaid, like gambling debts. And then they say 541 00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:47.480 they say, oh he was he was a random target. 542 00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:51.000 There was no connection, There was no when you rhyme 543 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.599 or reason for why the Lobbyanca's got it. And then 544 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:55.839 you really start looking at that guy. I think his 545 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.960 name was Leno Lino Lobbyon, and he was a shady ship. 546 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.480 And they do that shit. They mix some some. 547 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.440 They mix some random shit with some on purpose shit 548 00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:12.599 to throw you off because like, nobody's going to go 549 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.200 dig in and find out this guy's got mob ties 550 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:17.920 and he's got two hundred and fifty thousand in gambling debts. 551 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:21.440 Nobody's looking into that, but he did, and then he 552 00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.119 ended up fucking dead as shit with his whole family. 553 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:27.680 So and then it's like I said before, I think 554 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.880 Roman Polanski had way more to do with Sharon than 555 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:32.519 he lets on. 556 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:34.200 I think he fucked off out of town. 557 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.680 So again to deflect guilt, like, oh, I was out 558 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.119 of town, I have an alibi. I wasn't even in 559 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:44.079 the country when it happened. But you can usually look 560 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.920 at the husband when something like that goes down. Anyways, 561 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:48.200 did you. 562 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.160 Ever see the j Sebring documentary that came out like 563 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:52.960 was it five six years ago? 564 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:53.920 No? 565 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:55.880 Was it like HBO or something. 566 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:01.319 It was on Amazon. It's very interesting because it has 567 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:09.079 the apparently Sharon was going through a gonna divorce Polanski 568 00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:13.079 and get back with Seabring and uh they even have 569 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.480 like the lawyer and the attorney on the documentary and everything. 570 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:17.920 Mm hmm. 571 00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:27.960 To reason you made that, Yeah, And that's another aspect 572 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.599 of Once upon a Time in Hollywood that they included 573 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.480 was the Steve McQueen at the pool party talking about 574 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.319 the love triangle between Roman Sea Bring and Sharon Tate 575 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.759 because again part of the manson Lord that that Tarantino incorporated. 576 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:44.559 Steve McQueen was supposed to be there that night and 577 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.680 apparently stopped at a gas station on the way over 578 00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:50.319 to the Tate Polanski house and met some met himself 579 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:51.680 a nice lady for the evening. 580 00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:58.160 And McQueen supposedly after the murders went there, went to 581 00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:00.519 Sea Brings and got rid of a lot of the 582 00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:02.720 like cocaine and stuff he was selling. 583 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:06.440 Sure, sure, well, and you know Jay se Bring was 584 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.319 tight with Jim Morrison. He's the one who gave him 585 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:10.519 that famous haircut. 586 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:16.039 So I mean They're right, they're all connected to each other. 587 00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:17.640 And they're also was. 588 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.880 A scientologist too as well. Again, these scientology process connections 589 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.559 go throughout the whole that whole social circle of folks 590 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:25.400 in Laurel Canyon. 591 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:26.599 Mm hmmm. 592 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:29.599 Dude, when we cover the Laurel can I hope you 593 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.839 guys join us for that episode because I'll all go 594 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.480 through the whole fucking list of them. I mean, Dave 595 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.119 McGowan does such a great job connecting the dots with 596 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:40.960 some of that stuff. 597 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.759 Who's friends with who? And like these murders and shit, 598 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:45.720 and you know, Charles. 599 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:51.519 Manson definitely uh goes Laurel Canyon and Program to Kill 600 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.960 He's in both books because it's it's like I said before, 601 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.680 you can't ever take something like the Tate murders and 602 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.279 the lobby on this stuff at faiths value. Oh he 603 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.160 was just a crazy guy and he brainwashed these people 604 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.079 and they went and did this stuff that is absolutely. 605 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:08.440 Not what happened. 606 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.720 But and then to go as far as like this 607 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:16.480 wastika and all that, I mean, that's just like throwing 608 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.200 you off this scent even more. Oh, we'll just make 609 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.000 him carve a swatika in his head. 610 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:22.519 And do all this stuff. 611 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.559 They want you so badly to believe that this mainstream 612 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.720 narrative where there's just crazy people out there that'll just 613 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:32.880 come to your house and just kill you for no 614 00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:36.440 reason and everybody should be terrified. They love doing that 615 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:41.279 to people. So, I mean, I think the serial killer 616 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:47.200 was kind of born in the nineteen sixties. I think 617 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.559 just like the counter movement. I think it was almost 618 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.559 like a five layer of burrito. They had like all 619 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:56.079 these different programs running at the same time. They had 620 00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:00.480 the serial killer program, They had the fucking counterculture movement 621 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:06.880 going on, and they also had like women's like equality 622 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:08.680 stuff going on at the same time. 623 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:11.880 I mean, it really was a. 624 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.000 Time to be alive, for sure. It almost makes you 625 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.720 wonder how but how anybody made it fucking out alive 626 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:19.680 just just a quick. 627 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.000 Oh sorry, go ahead, Well it's gonna say in the 628 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.480 Vietnam War, I mean a lot of this stuff boils 629 00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:27.480 down to the whole program to kill. The reason why 630 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.440 the cartoons were violent, why they had to start showing 631 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:32.960 movies where people were shooting each other, because in World 632 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:36.480 War Two, a lot of soldiers couldn't pull the. 633 00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.119 Trigger, so it bottom up. 634 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.160 But the Vietnam War, is why a lot of these 635 00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:43.319 ops I think were going on. 636 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:45.680 I mean, and the fucking Phoenix program. 637 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.319 Yeah, and a lot of these murders. There was like 638 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:51.240 three serial killers in the same area. 639 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:52.359 M h. 640 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.160 I mean, so there is some sort of program going on. 641 00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.519 I mean, it's so obvious that all these serial killers 642 00:33:58.559 --> 00:33:59.960 are magically coming out of this one. 643 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:06.160 City saturated for sure, right in like one geographical region. 644 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:06.359 Right. 645 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.760 I was actually gonna get to another one that came out, 646 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:11.119 but Teresa, you go first. 647 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.320 Oh yeah, so I think Actually a long time ago, 648 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.119 when I was researching for an episode that we did 649 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.320 with Kolby, Me and Nick and Kolby did an episode 650 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:23.679 on Elon Musk and his mom, May Musk and her 651 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:28.320 twin K were friends with Charles Manson. This is a rumor, 652 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.440 of course, but like an interesting one nonetheless. And that 653 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.199 Kay apparently there's a record of her visiting him in prison. 654 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:40.119 They gave him like TVs and like other luxuries. May 655 00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:43.079 Musk apparently appears in the Helter's Helter book like a 656 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:43.800 photo of her. 657 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:50.360 Oh my god, Oh that's a weird These fucking assholes. 658 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:54.920 I sit theirst edition she's in in the first Okay, 659 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:55.880 the first edition. 660 00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:58.920 I think, Okay, there's like she's in there. 661 00:34:59.760 --> 00:34:59.920 Yeah. 662 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:05.639 Wow, that's fucked up, right, he so fucked yeah. I 663 00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:07.920 mean That's what I'm saying though, is like all these 664 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:14.480 people who are like like the Beach Boy guy. 665 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:18.840 And Neil Young and fucking apparently Elon Musk's mom, right, 666 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:21.000 Like they're all they're all. 667 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:22.960 Friends with this guy and they all used to like 668 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:24.639 sing his praises and ship. 669 00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:28.719 Nicholson, Dennis Hopper, yep, j guys. 670 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.760 There lady from Mamas and Papa's mama. 671 00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:33.480 Well. 672 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.840 John Phillips was noted on an I n S document 673 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:40.239 is funding the Process church's activities in Los Angeles. So 674 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.039 and Mama cast had to run in some scientology in 675 00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.360 the process as well. So again you're talking about the 676 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.280 same kind of threughput with these cults. And I think 677 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.440 these cults operate some of that mind control stuff in 678 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.440 the program to kill aspects not just man. Somebody also 679 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:56.440 got Sirhan Sirhan old double Sirhan was noted as well, 680 00:35:56.480 --> 00:36:01.639 And investigatory documents is attending AE and English sex cults 681 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:07.320 or English sex magic rituals which they refer to the process, 682 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:08.239 and that in that statement. 683 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:10.239 Well, that's that's like. 684 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.920 What Henry Lee Lucas was saying. He was trained by 685 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:16.119 a cult that worked with the government to produce these 686 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:21.079 mind controlled killers. And I don't know how much you 687 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.360 guys know about Zodiac or how much we talked about 688 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.039 Zodiac in the last episode, but that's another one that 689 00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.920 came out of San Francisco, uh, kind of near the 690 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:35.239 Presidio area, kind of near fucking the Michael Achino stuff. 691 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.719 And that's why I think personally he could have been 692 00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:43.280 one of many Zodiac killers. I do believe that there 693 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:47.840 were many killers. I don't think that it was just 694 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.400 one guy. And the fact that they always get like 695 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:56.320 this Bitch and Moniker. After that, like maybe two people 696 00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:57.960 die and all of a sudden you got like a 697 00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:01.400 guy with this Bitch and the Zodia Act, the Green 698 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:05.559 River Killer, the you know, Jack, the Ripper, like all 699 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.840 these names. It gives it like a sensationalism, and it 700 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:11.159 gives them almost like a celebrity status. 701 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:12.760 And then you have. 702 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.599 People getting these codes that are sent in by the 703 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.639 Zodiac and they're obsessing over them, trying to crack these 704 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.960 codes and shit, and the motherfucker showed up to one 705 00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:29.440 of the murders with the full asked costume on full 706 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:35.880 ass apron with a big Zodiac sigil on it and sunglasses, 707 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.360 and none of the other survivors talk about a guy 708 00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:44.440 in a full blown like batman suit coming to murder you, 709 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:47.199 and then you know, they give him it, Oh, it's 710 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.559 the Zodiac, and then he addresses. 711 00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:51.159 Himself as Zodiac. 712 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:56.079 So I think it was just many people working in 713 00:37:56.199 --> 00:38:00.639 tandem doing this shit and they just put one bad 714 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:03.480 guy as like the main focus who has never caught. 715 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.079 But there's always like military boot prints that show up 716 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:11.880 at all the crime scenes with the Zodiac. The taxi 717 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.480 driver that was shot near the Presidio Hides area, there 718 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.039 were like three kids that called the police and gave 719 00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.760 an identification of the man that they saw fleing the 720 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.440 crime scene. And instead of giving the police that description, 721 00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:29.559 they said, look for a black guy. And that's not 722 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.119 even the fucking that's not even what the fucking kids said. 723 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:34.679 They said they saw a tall white guy with the 724 00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:38.519 group cut, haircut with boots on fleeing the scene. They 725 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.000 and then they told the police officers look for a 726 00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:45.719 for an armed black man and gave gave him gave 727 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:48.440 the real Zodiac. Whoever, it was time to fucking make 728 00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:51.480 his head away. So I think that these guys are 729 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.559 protected from on high. I think that they don't want 730 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.159 to be caught. They don't want anybody to catch these guys, 731 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.679 and it like just terrifies people. But I don't know 732 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.159 what you guys think about the multiple assailants for the Zodiac, 733 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.920 but I definitely think it was multiple assailants. 734 00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:10.079 Oh for. 735 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.199 Again, the George Hodell, his son claims that it was him, 736 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:18.840 Like he's, oh my god, that wouldn't that be a 737 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:19.639 fucking twist. 738 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:20.719 Yeah. 739 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:21.960 He claims that like in. 740 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.679 Like when they stopped that he moved back to he 741 00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:32.079 like moved to like Indonesia or the Philippines. Oh shit, yeah, 742 00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:33.840 and he was like an old man then and he 743 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.159 married like a Filipino wife after he left San Francisco. 744 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:38.840 Oh my god. 745 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:42.320 But you know it's I think maybe let's just say 746 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.880 George Hodell was one and Michael Aquino was one. And 747 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:48.800 I think that you know, when you look at possible 748 00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.599 suspects for the Zodiac, you'll find like these huge long 749 00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:56.719 lists and all the reasons that they give are pretty credible, Like, okay, 750 00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:59.519 that makes sense that person could be the Zodiac. And 751 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.360 and what I'm trying to say is maybe all of 752 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.559 them were the Zodiac for all we know, Like maybe 753 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:05.760 they were all there. 754 00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.480 Was a group of people doing this shit and. 755 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.800 Something else weird about Well, I'm sure did you guys 756 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:14.840 watch the movie. 757 00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:15.920 With Robert Downey Junior. 758 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:18.480 Sure you did. 759 00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:22.079 I like David Fincher. Yeah, I thought it was a 760 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:22.719 great movie. 761 00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.480 But it's all based on one book. So I think 762 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:27.440 that's what a lot of the people's problems are because 763 00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:28.480 it's based in that one book. 764 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.199 Yeah, because they try to put everything on the fat 765 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:32.159 guy that works at. 766 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.119 The factory, right and again, So there's a lot of 767 00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.360 interesting aspects I've ever looked on in that story about 768 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.719 my manner jactrial quick relative to specifically framing other people. 769 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.199 So the Edward Wayne Edwards factor is often over, is 770 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.159 often ignored. I agree with you. It's definitely a team 771 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.960 of Satanists. The letters. There's there's overt references to corolisms 772 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:55.360 and delima in in the letters in the Zodiac letters 773 00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.119 that people. No one wants to address that aspect. Oby, 774 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.039 I'm not even that schooled. 775 00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:01.679 Until glad you said. I'm glad you said that I. 776 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.920 Can see the letters. It's pretty obvious. Well, if I 777 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.880 traded a kindergartener how to recroley, they would identify the 778 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:11.119 same the same characteristics in these letters. That's how that's 779 00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:12.440 how I find it. How obvious it is. 780 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:14.280 Oh, I'm one hundred. 781 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.719 I think it just due to the one time. 782 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.159 I mean, JJ said it as a joke, but I mean, 783 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.079 in all honesty, I think it does look a little 784 00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.159 bit like the Zodiac Killer's hood. I mean, I have 785 00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.800 a hood to the Astroch. I mean, I've posted it 786 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.679 and and it's very much like the hood that the 787 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.079 Zodiac Killer showed up with, and and it's it's I've seen, 788 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.519 especially people like Thebamites. But it is a type of 789 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:39.719 like jewelry and stuff I've seen people wear a lot. 790 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:43.159 They'll wear that circle with an X in it, which 791 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.000 does kind of look like a crosshir. And it's the 792 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:48.760 symbol of Malkouth. Now when you're starting to screw around 793 00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:52.159 with the Cabbala. So in my opinion, that guy's outfit 794 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.480 could literally have been somebody who my opinion, might be 795 00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.880 into the limic stuff. I could easily turn my hood 796 00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.079 inside out and looked like the zodiacular. 797 00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:03.320 Yeah. 798 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:05.119 One of the things I liked about in the movie 799 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.599 from Hell is that they incorporated a lot of that 800 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.199 Kabbala Masonic symbolism, Like some of that ship wasn't seen 801 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.639 on film before that time, and they just went they 802 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:16.159 went hard with all the rituals. 803 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.079 But I think that's like really real. I think that 804 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.360 like the Zodiac and shit, I think that's the real ship. 805 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:28.199 There's so much of the boss over between the actions 806 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.320 of these different groups. They just do the same things. 807 00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:31.760 Go ahead. 808 00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:34.960 Well, the codes and the ciphers in that, and the 809 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:38.079 symbols and the fact that it's everything's done by the 810 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:43.519 stars in the zodiac that's very Saturnian too. And then 811 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.599 there's inner orders of some of these Saturnian lodges called 812 00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.480 the Fogg Lodges, and their. 813 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.639 Whole thing is human sacrifice. Yeah. 814 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:56.320 And and this is old school of. 815 00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:58.920 Black German magic, and it's all about the stars and 816 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:03.360 it's all about Zodiac and so and they wear black 817 00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:05.719 hoods too, So I mean it could be possible. I 818 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.800 haven't looked into it that much, but I mean it's 819 00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:13.159 seiphered like that. It's the symbols are similar well. 820 00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.440 And they leave a lot of details out when they 821 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:19.280 make movies about the Zodiac and even documentaries they make, 822 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:23.400 and just I just have to address a comment that 823 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.400 popped up about Satanists having great eyebrows. I'm like the 824 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:29.880 least Satanist of all of us because I don't fucking 825 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:30.400 have any. 826 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:37.800 So they said, yeah, he used to like gel his 827 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:41.679 ship up like that, kind of like yeah, yeah, but. 828 00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.719 Like okay, so let me let me just give you 829 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.679 some info on the first The first is what they 830 00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:53.880 call it Zodiac victim. It was a girl named Darlene, 831 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:58.079 and then the guy ow what was his name, Michael 832 00:43:58.159 --> 00:43:59.360 Majoe I'm. 833 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:00.960 Pretty sure was his last name. 834 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:07.920 And so Darlene was telling her friends a couple of 835 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:12.360 weeks before she was murdered that she was receiving like 836 00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:17.119 packages from someone but wouldn't say who it was from, 837 00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:22.239 and that she had an ex husband that was weird 838 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.280 and was in Mexico or something, and maybe he had 839 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.199 killed somebody. And she was telling, yeah, there you go, 840 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:33.840 look at that shit. Yeah, fucking Kino's eyebrows. But so 841 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.480 all this stuff was going down and she was telling 842 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:38.719 her friends about it, like I have an ex husband 843 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.440 that maybe killed somebody, and I'm getting packages in the 844 00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:42.960 mail and. 845 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:43.519 Stuff like this. 846 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:47.360 And the mainstream narrative is that Darlene went to go 847 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:49.559 pick up this mic guy and that they were going 848 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.639 to go to a lover's lane situation and like make out. 849 00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.239 But what's weird is the front door to Michael Majo's 850 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.360 house was left wide open. All the life in his 851 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.559 house were on It looked like he had left in 852 00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:06.960 a hurry. Darlene's talking about getting mysterious packages from her 853 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:11.800 ex husband or somebody, and that she's worried about. 854 00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:16.639 It, and then she ends up dead. And like, I mean, 855 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.400 I can't even believe the one guy he shot. 856 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.039 Both of them like eight times or ten times or 857 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:23.679 something like that, and the one guy lived. 858 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:31.440 But I mean, it's just like the Darlene murder seemed like. 859 00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:35.559 She knew her attacker and that she had almost kind 860 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:39.719 of like had a foreboding feeling that she was in danger. 861 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.559 So it doesn't fit the rest of the Zodiac killings 862 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.239 if they were all just random acts of violence. 863 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:51.639 And I think that it was a group of Yeah, 864 00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:52.679 I think I think it. 865 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:54.960 Was, And you know, I agree with you, but I 866 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.039 agree with you for sure. She she had direct connections 867 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:01.280 to the processed church in her Darlene did, Oh, yes, 868 00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.599 her husband Jim Phillips Crabtree, the guy who referred to 869 00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:07.880 as her ex husband, there were quasi domestic married. 870 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:09.440 Right right, right right? 871 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:11.960 Yeah, yeah, So we were living down the head in 872 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:14.800 Ashbury and they had they had processed church connections and 873 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:17.840 that address book that she had on her person and 874 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:19.679 it was long. I think my kind of take on 875 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.159 the HITD is she was able to identify the people 876 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.079 in that it was actually Jim Phillips Crabtree's book, her 877 00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:29.000 quote unquote ex husband, his his his address book, and 878 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:30.559 he's a very spooky figure. 879 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.599 What do you think about the Zodiac being kind of 880 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:41.400 like the son of Sam because, like he told he 881 00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:43.920 admitted to some of the ship, but then he said, 882 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.119 there are other people working with me that they never 883 00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:47.840 went and looked. 884 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.119 For sure, I feel like Zodiac. 885 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.239 I know, I think that's exactly what's going on for sure. Yeah, 886 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:56.360 so I think that that. Ever, when Edward's guy, I 887 00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.599 look at him as a referenced to like this this 888 00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:01.079 hand of death cult that you ways that Henry Lee 889 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:03.920 Lucas was talking about. I look at everyone Edwards as 890 00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:06.119 actually being like a general in that handed death cult 891 00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:08.000 and a lot of the a lot of the crimes 892 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.599 that Lucas and o'tool and tool were taken, Tool were 893 00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:14.000 taken taking credit for. We're actually crimes that everyone Edwards 894 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.400 was personally involved in, and at the same time they're 895 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.079 taking credit for it. He's making parole on some arson 896 00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:23.880 charges where in those arson charges he actually they found 897 00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:28.079 a Marietta, Georgia police police uniform in this house of 898 00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.920 Pennsylvania he burned down for insurance fraud that he went 899 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.159 to prison for there, but he had infiltrated. Speaking of 900 00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:37.159 these folks, going into back to the crime scene, he 901 00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:40.320 infiltrated the Atlanta child killing his task force, faking to 902 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:45.119 be a Marietta police sergeant. So he's very likely in 903 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:49.719 in the Zodiac killer team. For example. Uh so, uh, 904 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.719 there was a Blue Rock Springs Park Park murder. I 905 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.559 believe that was December of sixty eight and then julyact 906 00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:56.039 the one. 907 00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:57.800 Where he showed up in the costume. 908 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.199 No, so that was a that was the first one. 909 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.599 Was the lover was our Lover's Lane one much like 910 00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:07.159 the Darlene and Michael Majoe one. So, and everyone Edwards 911 00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:09.360 is actually confirmed. So, out of all these suspects for 912 00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:13.719 the Zodiac, the only person that's confirmed has committed numerous 913 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.440 lovers lane murders and the exact fashion of the Zodiac 914 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.800 and numerous states over multiple decades. In fact, is Edward 915 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.400 Winn Edwards. No one else on that suspect list is 916 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.719 ever confirmed murder of any regard and especially the exact 917 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:29.599 same memo involved in the Zodiac killings. In addition to that, 918 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.880 the third crime scene there at it's Lake barry Essa 919 00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:40.239 with the ball, that's the hood, that's the cost one. Yeah, 920 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:42.639 that's the middle of the day. That's that's that's the 921 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:44.400 later in the afternoon, so it's daylight hours. That's the 922 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:47.079 only one in daylight hours. But all the details that 923 00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.119 the costumed killer gives to the to the victims, right, 924 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.920 those all those details were details of Edward Winn Everard's life. 925 00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.920 So that was that was nineteen sixty nine. All those 926 00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:59.840 details that he had given the victims of that day 927 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.199 was nineteen fifty nine. They occurred, he broke out of 928 00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:06.239 Montana prison, he murdered a prison guard, he went on 929 00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.320 the run to Mexico. He was you know, this is 930 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:10.840 that all did occur in everyone ever's life. But that 931 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:13.119 was nineteen fifty nine, and that's what made him the 932 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.400 number one most wanted person on the FBI's most Wanted lists. 933 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.760 The young all right, all right, so that makes a 934 00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:20.599 ton of say. 935 00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:22.280 Zybolical mm hmm. 936 00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:24.840 Well, I have to say, let's just say he's one 937 00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.239 of them, right, and there is like others that have 938 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.280 not been identified. I have to say, like, and I'm 939 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:33.280 not saying my favorite because I love fucking serial killers 940 00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:35.880 or something like that, but if I was gonna pick 941 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:40.000 a favorite serial killer, it's definitely not Zodiac. 942 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:43.599 I mean, the motherfucker is sloppy. He leaves people alive. 943 00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.719 He doesn't even all the way kill people. He had 944 00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:50.280 two survivors. If you're gonna be a badass serial killer 945 00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:51.840 and put a fucking hood on your head and do 946 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.519 all this codes and shit, at least kill your victims. 947 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:57.880 Like he's not even good at it. He's like, this 948 00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.239 was a very serial killer every yeah. 949 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:04.639 So, but they have to keep like this narrative of 950 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:08.079 the serial killer going because like, as Zodiacs started to 951 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:13.079 fade out, ted Bundy was actually on a plane flying 952 00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:17.280 to San Francisco, where the Zodiac murders were going down. 953 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.559 Nobody knows why he was going there. But as soon 954 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.400 as he gets back to Seattle, he starts ripping through 955 00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:27.519 and uh, fucking killing all these bitches all over Seattle. 956 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:31.599 So what do you think? What you guys are laughing? 957 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:36.000 And it's the damn truth. It's like, what was he 958 00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:37.400 doing in San Francisco? 959 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:38.719 Sure? 960 00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:41.920 Can I bring up a plane that I keep thinking about? 961 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:46.119 It's okay, so you brought up earlier like you feel 962 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:49.559 like the serial killer thing was kind of like created 963 00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:52.920 around the sixties and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 964 00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:59.199 I really feel like Michael Aquino has some some weird stuff. 965 00:50:59.280 --> 00:50:59.519 Dude. 966 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:00.239 I said that. 967 00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.840 I said that for the longest, Like. 968 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.360 Mike has pointed out, like with the other episodes we've done, 969 00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:09.679 like the psy Ops and cy War and all that. 970 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:13.440 And again that Ghost in the Machine video on YouTube, 971 00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:14.440 go ahead and watch it. 972 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:17.440 Does it talk about a Quino? 973 00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:21.280 No, But he basically created that whole. 974 00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:25.920 Mind war. 975 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.119 This is in full effect now we're seeing it, full 976 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:31.800 side war on all levels. 977 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:36.960 Sure, he started his whole thing right there in Vietnam, 978 00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.840 right there, and then he was writing a lot of 979 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:44.599 the rituals for the Satanic Church and then yeah, that 980 00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:45.440 temple is set. 981 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:50.239 Do you know what the Alice in Wonderland technique. 982 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:56.239 Is about, like like disassociating the kids and ship, Well. 983 00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:59.119 It's sort of like that. What you do is using NLP. 984 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:03.360 This was big in the Scientology Church. So el Ron 985 00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:07.400 had all of his top operators learn how to repeat 986 00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:11.119 nonsensical phrases and then follow it up with an anchoring 987 00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:14.360 word like are we clear? So we're talking about these 988 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.719 guys who are using the E meter, using these techniques 989 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:24.119 to try and break down people's resistance to interrogation. So 990 00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.920 if you look at all these different events, it's meant 991 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:30.480 to confuse and throw people off. It's just the beginning 992 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:35.599 part of that kind of Alice in Wonderland technique. And 993 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.639 so they got to follow it up with something to 994 00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.119 try and get the population moving in a certain direction. 995 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:46.119 Yeah, and Man's piece less. 996 00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:52.239 Well, I think that's why they do like multiple projects 997 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.440 at one time, to like get you to focus on 998 00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:58.119 several different things, because it's, like I said, they have 999 00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:00.800 the counterculture shit going on, they have the serial killer 1000 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.760 shit going on, and then they have like women's equality 1001 00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:09.480 shit going on, and they keep pushing women to be 1002 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:13.239 more independent. And then they're sending people like Ted Bundy 1003 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.760 out there to murder him for doing it right, and 1004 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:20.320 so it's very counterintuitive, and they do that shit on purpose. 1005 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.519 It's very much by design. And it's like I said, 1006 00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:26.320 as soon as like the Zodiac things started to fizzle out, 1007 00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.360 Ted Bundy's on a plane to San Francisco, god knows 1008 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.360 what he's doing there, then flies back to Seattle, becomes 1009 00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:35.159 the psychopath that we know he is today. 1010 00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:41.760 And yeah, and Sir Colorado. 1011 00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.840 Flies around on his own identity, right, and. 1012 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:51.199 Like he's political too. He worked for the Republican Party. 1013 00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.199 You know, he was going to law school. 1014 00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:59.880 And a lot of the serial killers are either political 1015 00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:04.440 or their military. That's something that's a common thread between. 1016 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:05.239 A lot of them. 1017 00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:08.000 Yeah, exactly. 1018 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:13.199 And like the crazy thing about Ted is all these 1019 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:16.880 girls started going missing in different states, but they couldn't 1020 00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:21.679 quite connect to them. So all these states got together 1021 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:25.440 and they had this big conference and they were like, 1022 00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:27.960 we got to identify this guy before he. 1023 00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:29.639 Gets any more girls. 1024 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:35.840 And are you guys familiar with the true crime author 1025 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.320 and rule? She writes a bunch of She's basically like 1026 00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.119 before podcasts, We're cool. She wrote books about all these 1027 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.400 serial killers and shit, she's a true crime author. But 1028 00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:49.320 she happened to be friends with Ted Bundy, worked with 1029 00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:51.800 him at the rape Crisis Center, if you can believe 1030 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:55.280 that Ted Bundy worked at the rape Crisis Center. And 1031 00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.840 so she attended this conference where they're saying, oh, we 1032 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.840 got to get this guy who's taken all these girls whatever, 1033 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:08.960 and Anne Rule attends that conference, and then a couple 1034 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:12.079 of days later, a bunch of girls, I think two 1035 00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:15.960 girls go missing from Lake Samamish State Park and a 1036 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:20.480 bunch of witnesses say that the person that approached both 1037 00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:24.679 of those girls identified himself as Ted. And the first 1038 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.320 person to turn his name over to the Ted squad 1039 00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.159 is what they called it was Anne Rule. And she 1040 00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:34.400 keeps popping up in Ted Bundy's life over and over again. 1041 00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:40.119 She knows some of the victims. She's oddly connected with 1042 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:46.599 the Ted Bundy case, and she makes herself famous afterwards 1043 00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:50.000 for writing a book about him, and she just pops 1044 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.039 up and it's real weird and. 1045 00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:56.480 Didn't Ted Bundy also escape from prison twice? 1046 00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:02.159 So yeah twice, yeah, and got airline tickets under his 1047 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:04.039 actual name while he was on the LAMB. 1048 00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:10.559 So I mean stuff like that, like, think about this. 1049 00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:14.079 The day that they got the name Ted and they 1050 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:18.000 formed like this Ted squad or whatever. It was at 1051 00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:21.960 a beach where they were having a police picnic and 1052 00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:24.639 there was like hundreds of police officers. 1053 00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:25.760 There, but nobody. 1054 00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:30.360 Okay, there was like five hundred people on this beach 1055 00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:33.079 and there was at least a hundred of them were 1056 00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:33.960 police officers. 1057 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:35.599 Nobody saw anything. 1058 00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:37.360 And then. 1059 00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:43.840 So everybody turned over all the pictures that they took 1060 00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:46.800 that day at the beach, and there were thousands and 1061 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:50.119 thousands of pictures that were that day of people for 1062 00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:53.039 all looking around and having a good time at the beach. 1063 00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:58.880 Not one picture of Ted anywhere, not a photo bomb 1064 00:56:58.960 --> 00:56:59.639 picture of Ted. 1065 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:01.840 Now a picture of Ted in the distance. 1066 00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:02.400 Ted. 1067 00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:04.280 It's like Ted's not fucking there. 1068 00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:07.119 And both of the witnesses that gave his name and 1069 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.679 said we saw a man approaching this person and they 1070 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:14.039 had identified themselves as Ted. One person said that he 1071 00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:17.079 had blonde hair. One person said that he, you know, 1072 00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:20.719 had dark short hair. Like none of none of the 1073 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:23.599 witness's statements were adding up. It was almost like they 1074 00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:26.360 were told to say that. And then all of a sudden, 1075 00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:28.360 Anne Rule is like, oh, I know who it is. 1076 00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:31.360 It's Ted Bundy. I work right next to him at 1077 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:34.000 the rape crisis center. She just happens to know him. 1078 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:38.519 And fucking he doesn't even match the descriptions that were 1079 00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:40.440 given from the witnesses at the park. 1080 00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:43.119 So how is it? I mean, guys, it doesn't make 1081 00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:44.039 any sense. 1082 00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:45.920 How they know? 1083 00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:51.599 Yes, he was, he was and you know, to the 1084 00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:54.079 Attorney General of the state, right mm hm. 1085 00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:57.519 And so. 1086 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:04.960 They find out, wasn't there a claim that some of 1087 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:08.599 the girls of Ted had I killed or whatever, that 1088 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:11.480 they were actual hits, not all of them, but to 1089 00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:13.840 some of them, and that they were some were hits, 1090 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:16.280 but then some were just random to kind of make 1091 00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:17.760 it all look like a serial kitlary. 1092 00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:22.199 That's exactly what they do. That it was a hit, yeah, 1093 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:23.480 because I was. 1094 00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:25.679 That was actually the next thing in my notes that 1095 00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:27.760 I was going to tell you guys about is two 1096 00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:31.440 of them in particular, were kept alive somewhere for a 1097 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:36.000 like a long period of time before that they were murdered. 1098 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.360 And that was completely outside the norm for all the 1099 00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:43.599 other Bundy victims. They were always abducted and immediately killed 1100 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:47.519 shortly thereafter. But there were two in particular that one 1101 00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.840 of them was a police chief's daughter and the other 1102 00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:55.960 one was like somebody else high up's daughter. And they 1103 00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:58.119 found out that they had been kept somewhere for like 1104 00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:02.199 over a week, that they had been completely drained of blood, 1105 00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:05.000 and that their bodies had been dumped, but they weren't 1106 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:09.320 bludgeoned like the rest of the girls. And and one 1107 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:11.360 of the girls that was kept for over a week 1108 00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:16.039 and then totally bled out ted was on a hunting 1109 00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:19.840 trip like with one of his friends when she supposedly 1110 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.840 was being held captive somewhere and being bled out. So 1111 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.920 that didn't even make sense for him to have done it. 1112 00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:30.079 And yet he goes down as being the murderer. 1113 00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.760 Didn't he I mean, didn't he even do some other 1114 00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:35.519 stuff where like he was almost like some Brian Colberger 1115 00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.719 type shit. He walked up into like a sorority house 1116 00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:41.039 and just stabbed a bunch of bitches and like all 1117 00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:45.880 in separate rooms, and like nobody ever heard anything that right. 1118 00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:50.039 Now, Tallahassee, Yeah, that was the ky Omega house. But 1119 00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:53.360 think about it, Nick, it doesn't fucking fits him. 1120 00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.639 Oh yeah, because he would. 1121 00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:58.599 Snatch and grab right one single female, get him in 1122 00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:01.320 the car, bash him over the hea head dumped their body, 1123 01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:03.920 and then he would necro file them. He would like 1124 01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:06.280 to go back to his dump sites and like fuck 1125 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.480 the corpses and shit over a period of time. The 1126 01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:12.679 Kyle Mega fucking sorority house, he just went in there 1127 01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:15.119 with the fucking club and just started bashing bitches over 1128 01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:16.800 the head that didn't. 1129 01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:19.239 Fit the narrative. He liked to be secretive about what 1130 01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:19.920 he was doing. 1131 01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:23.679 I'm telling you right now, he was probably responsible for 1132 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:27.119 a third of the murders that have been pinned on him. 1133 01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:29.880 The rest of this shit was random as fuck, and 1134 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:34.320 it had to be other people because all right, you 1135 01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:37.280 guys know one of the survive ted Bundy survivors that 1136 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:39.400 they always show on like doctor Phil and shit. Her 1137 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:42.119 name is Carol Duranch. And he picked her up at 1138 01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:45.360 a shopping mall and like she broke loose from him 1139 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:46.360 and fucking ran away. 1140 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:53.559 All right, So yeah, right, and she's also Mormon. I 1141 01:00:53.880 --> 01:01:01.119 should get he converted. Yeah he did, he did, uh huh. 1142 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:05.639 But so the shopping mall where he abducted Carol Durance, right, 1143 01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:12.920 was exactly i want to say, twenty five miles from 1144 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:19.199 another abduction site where he supposedly he uh Carol got 1145 01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:22.360 away and he went to a school, picked someone else 1146 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.519 up and murdered him because he got mad that Carol 1147 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.920 got loose. But the problem is the time frame in 1148 01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.840 which Carol got away and the second victim was abducted 1149 01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:39.119 was fifteen minutes. And there is no way humanly possible 1150 01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:43.239 for Ted to have gotten from point A, the abduction 1151 01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:47.320 site of Carol Durance, to point B, the school where 1152 01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:50.679 the other girl was kidnapped, in fifteen minutes. 1153 01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:52.480 There's no fucking way he could do it. 1154 01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:58.800 And all of the witnesses told the police that it 1155 01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:03.119 was a guy a with long sandy blonde hair that 1156 01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:04.840 abducted the girl from the school. 1157 01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:05.800 But what did they do? 1158 01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:10.119 They put that on Ted too, and so he's constantly 1159 01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:13.920 getting murders piled up onto him that he couldn't have 1160 01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:18.480 even fucking physically been there to do it. But this 1161 01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:21.719 is how they create this narrative of the serial killer. 1162 01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.519 And and God only knows who really abducted that girl 1163 01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:26.199 from the school. 1164 01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:27.159 We'll never fucking know. 1165 01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.599 What if they just bring them out on camera and 1166 01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:35.719 shackles and stuff and they really didn't do anything, and. 1167 01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.800 Then they just they just get to go like, uh, 1168 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:44.599 I've wanted that golfing and like travel Europe and stuff. 1169 01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:48.519 They need another interview they just bring out right, he 1170 01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:49.960 does this crazy little shit. 1171 01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.639 Yeah, you guys remember. 1172 01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:55.519 In our last episode I said I think a lot 1173 01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:58.320 of these serial killers are just actors playing a role 1174 01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:00.920 because I don't even think that they could have been 1175 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:04.000 in the position where they could have done half of 1176 01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:07.000 the crimes that they say that they did, and Ted 1177 01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:07.920 is one of them. 1178 01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:10.519 So going back to something that the. 1179 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:13.079 Man jackal quick, what was that park you had mentioned 1180 01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.199 before the Ted Bundy got some of his victims from 1181 01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:16.280 there in Washington. 1182 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:20.280 State, Smamish, Amamish. 1183 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:27.519 Whatever that park is? Speaking of Brian Coburger, he I 1184 01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:29.320 think that's the park he was supposedly had the night 1185 01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:39.519 of the murders. Strangely, really, I don't think so. He's 1186 01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:40.599 got a bunch of the eyebrows though. 1187 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:43.159 Well they said they found. 1188 01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:45.679 Out a bite. He did walk up into a house 1189 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:47.159 and just stables. 1190 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.239 Well I don't think Brian Coberger did, but somebody did. 1191 01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:51.519 Somebody did. 1192 01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:57.920 Somebody the the ky Omega house that Nick was talking about, 1193 01:03:58.000 --> 01:03:59.719 where he just went in there with a with a 1194 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.719 tree branch and just started clubbing bitches over the head, right. 1195 01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:09.880 So in that trial, I'm serious he did. 1196 01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:14.199 The reason they were able to get him in the 1197 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:18.320 Kyomega Sorority trial is one of the victims had a 1198 01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:19.639 bite mark on their ass. 1199 01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:24.199 This is this was the thing. This is what got him, 1200 01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:28.519 the elusive fucking bitemark evidence. Here's the problem. 1201 01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:35.280 They later went back and admitted that they did not 1202 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:39.280 have the original bite mark that was found on the victim. 1203 01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:43.000 They said that they had cut it out of their skin, 1204 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:47.440 put it in a solution that accidentally dissolved it, and 1205 01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:49.719 that they had to go to the prison and get 1206 01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:53.960 molds of Ted Bundy's teeth and press them into into 1207 01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:58.440 random dead people's asses at the morgue and take pictures 1208 01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:01.599 of it to reproduce what they saw on the dead 1209 01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:02.559 first dead body. 1210 01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:06.199 Does that make sense to you, guys, No, not whatsoever. 1211 01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:08.679 Why would you if. 1212 01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:12.239 Ted Bundy bit one of the bitch's asses and you 1213 01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:14.679 had it right there and you could have took a 1214 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:17.239 picture of it and compared it to his teeth. No, 1215 01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:20.760 what they did though, they cut it out of the 1216 01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:24.119 dead girl's ass, They put it in a solution. Whoops, 1217 01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:28.320 just happened to be acid it totally dissolved it. And 1218 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:30.639 they go to the prison, they make molds of Ted 1219 01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:33.159 Bundy's teeth, and then they go to the morgue and 1220 01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:37.400 they press those teeth into the butt cheeks of random 1221 01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:38.039 dead people. 1222 01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:39.800 Then they take a picture of that. 1223 01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:42.760 Then they took that to trial and said, look, his 1224 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:44.719 teeth matched these bite marks. 1225 01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:46.719 It has to be him. 1226 01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:51.360 Yeah, I would argue these investigators might have some necrophiliacs, 1227 01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:54.880 right what. 1228 01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:00.320 They literally gave him the death penalty over evidence that 1229 01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:01.519 they created. 1230 01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:07.360 What the fucking trial. So we don't even know that 1231 01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:10.000 Ted Bundy was in the fucking house that night. 1232 01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:18.000 I mean literally, you guys. And so the last victim 1233 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:22.719 that they pinned on him was a twelve year old 1234 01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:27.519 girl named Kimberly Leech. And for that to have happened, 1235 01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:29.880 he would have had it been in two places at 1236 01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.320 one time. He would have had been in Tallahassee and 1237 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:37.199 this neighboring city where Kimberly was like pretty much at 1238 01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:39.519 the same time for those two things to happen. 1239 01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:41.840 And also, Kimberly being. 1240 01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:45.559 Twelve years old, was completely outside of his mo He 1241 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:49.280 had never murdered somebody that young before. It was always 1242 01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:54.480 like older women, So, I mean, it didn't make sense 1243 01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:58.760 to me. Also, Kimberly was completely drained of blood, which 1244 01:06:58.840 --> 01:06:59.599 didn't match. 1245 01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:00.719 Any of the other victims. 1246 01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:04.880 Didn't They come out in your recent thing that ms 1247 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:09.239 were not real like people, that serial killers always debate 1248 01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:11.519 out of their mo and I have never believed that. 1249 01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:15.880 I think that they, especially like with like genuine serial killers, 1250 01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:18.519 they never kill outside of the racial line, outside of 1251 01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:21.199 their ethical line. They always have a signature of some 1252 01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:24.480 sort or whatever. But I believe it years ago that 1253 01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:28.360 there were I guess MBI whatever statements saying that no 1254 01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:31.559 serial killers deviate all the time, and I was that 1255 01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:33.280 it was new to me that they were going to 1256 01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:35.639 incorporate that into the profile forensics. 1257 01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:37.280 Forensic Yeah, I. 1258 01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:44.599 Think the the serial killer profiling is another psyop. Actually 1259 01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:48.239 I think they have. Yeah, I mean, I think that 1260 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:50.320 they came out with that shit to kind of almost 1261 01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:54.079 throw people off the trail so they weren't so they 1262 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:56.840 wouldn't be looking for random shit, which I mean, look 1263 01:07:56.920 --> 01:07:59.599 at Henry Lee Lucas, if he really did all that stuff, 1264 01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:03.000 they they were completely random and never the same. And 1265 01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:08.199 you know Ted too, and Ted in several interviews said 1266 01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:10.239 that there were multiple people involved. 1267 01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:12.000 He said that. 1268 01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:15.079 He said, there are multiple people involved. I'm not the 1269 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:18.159 only one doing this, And girls continued to go missing 1270 01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:21.880 for several years after they locked ted up. And by 1271 01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:24.600 the way, talking about what JJ was talking about earlier, 1272 01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:29.479 what are the chances this motherfucker successfully escapes prison twice 1273 01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:33.079 and then just so happens like find a log cabin 1274 01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:35.640 in the woods filled with supplies and shit that he 1275 01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:37.840 would need to live for a couple of days. And 1276 01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:41.479 then the second time he just happened to find a car, 1277 01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:45.039 and then a bus ticket, then a plane ticket, then 1278 01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:48.000 a train ticket, and then I mean, it's almost by 1279 01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:52.600 design that he's let back out, if he really is 1280 01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:57.600 doing this stuff in the first place. But I mean, like, really, 1281 01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:00.159 you guys are talking about ass vampires. I'm not eve mean, 1282 01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:04.560 I'm not even going there, you guys. 1283 01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:06.640 I would say, as far as the changing mos with 1284 01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:10.039 the varying moos, but still having a signature, again, I 1285 01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:12.560 think Edward when Edwards is a great example of that. 1286 01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:16.079 He definitely killed in various different fashions. He did do 1287 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:21.239 lovers lanes, you know, shooting him zodiac style. He definitely 1288 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:23.920 said so. The other thing he did zodiac style was 1289 01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:26.119 he would set up other folks up for the murders. 1290 01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.960 He would build circumstantial cases around folks. He would insert 1291 01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:32.439 himself into these folks lives he would make he would 1292 01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:36.840 make a fake certificates of psychiatry, set up, set up 1293 01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:39.840 running office, set up a shop as a fake psychiatrist, 1294 01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:43.119 inserted himself into folks lives. So as far as like 1295 01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:47.000 folks like Arthur Lee Allen and the Zodiac story, like 1296 01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:50.560 he did it because circumstantially that's actually his mo. So 1297 01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:55.319 that is the ever Win Edwards signature move is exactly 1298 01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:58.000 that he actually testified in some folks trials that he 1299 01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:00.319 set up. Like that's how deep do went? 1300 01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:01.439 Well? 1301 01:10:01.560 --> 01:10:01.800 You know. 1302 01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:06.439 The thing is, it's like it's kind of like. 1303 01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:11.239 I think some authentic serial killers have iMOS, and I 1304 01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:14.800 think some don't that are working in groups, and it's 1305 01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:18.960 like maybe everybody has their own you know, there's a 1306 01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:21.760 there's a knife guy, and there's a gun guy, and 1307 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:25.079 there's a a guy that likes to suffocate him, and 1308 01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:27.039 then there's a So it always looks kind of like 1309 01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:31.119 random because it's it's different people doing this. 1310 01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:33.800 You know what I'm saying, Like I know exactly what 1311 01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:36.439 you're saying, I almost look at like the a different perspective. 1312 01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:40.119 So like and again, I use Everyone Edwards is the 1313 01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:42.520 mold in which I shape a lot of my conversations 1314 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:45.840 of serial killers on because I've somebody I've studied a 1315 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:48.439 lot after reading about the guy, I've done a lot 1316 01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:50.760 of you know, studying, studying the dude, how this dude's 1317 01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:53.039 existed in life. I mean, the guy went on a 1318 01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:56.279 speaking of you know, like Rodney al Kayla Dating game, 1319 01:10:56.760 --> 01:10:59.479 serial Killer, Everyone Edwards got on the show to tell 1320 01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:03.000 the truth, which in fulled most of the folks on there. Yeah, 1321 01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:06.199 this guy was a very devious character. So anyway he 1322 01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:08.880 you know, as far as not, I don't look at 1323 01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:12.159 it necessarily as the weapons used, necessarily the precise manner 1324 01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:15.800 in which the murders accomplished. For example, though the Zodiac 1325 01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:18.079 wrote about in one of his letters how he got 1326 01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:23.960 his he got his rocks off murdering folks, strangling well 1327 01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:26.479 everyone Edwards. One of the murders he got busted for 1328 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.800 from DNA evidence was seemen on a victim's genes. That 1329 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:34.159 he literally got his rocks off, strengthening this woman in Wisconsin. 1330 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.760 So fucking and that's the thing. 1331 01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:39.720 That's kind of the way when I look at his 1332 01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:42.199 and that in that regard, its nothing necessarily like the 1333 01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:45.239 precise weapons, but you know that's the same kind of tactic, right, 1334 01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:47.479 that is literally that was the thing. 1335 01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:51.000 Like Bundy, do that to one of them or all 1336 01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:51.880 of them or something? 1337 01:11:55.239 --> 01:12:02.039 Yeah, he yeah, yeah, Robin Williams, there's there's some there's 1338 01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:04.079 actually conspiracy theory about him. 1339 01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:05.920 I forget what it is now, but. 1340 01:12:07.399 --> 01:12:12.359 But so like Ted gets two death penalties and he 1341 01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:16.119 gets put in a cell right next to Otis Tool, 1342 01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:20.840 who is also a programmed serial killer. So for me, 1343 01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:24.039 that's just like it's almost like a full circle moment 1344 01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:27.479 that they're one of their first projects, Henry Lee Lucas 1345 01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:30.760 and Otis Tool, right, and then all this these other 1346 01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:32.920 serial killers in the middle, and then you got Ted 1347 01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:35.720 who goes on death row right next to Otis Tool. 1348 01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:38.119 They're they're like in the same cell block. Like really, 1349 01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:42.439 it just it's weird to me. Yeah, it's weird to me. 1350 01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:43.800 Did we just lose somebody? 1351 01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:51.119 He had to get going, he texted me, Ah, damn, Well. 1352 01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:55.000 What's your thoughts on henryly Lucas getting clemency from George 1353 01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:56.039 George Bush number two. 1354 01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:59.600 Man, I think they're probably like long lost fucking cousins 1355 01:12:59.720 --> 01:12:59.960 or something. 1356 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:03.560 They're probably they're probably third cousins twice removed. 1357 01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:09.239 I s, where do you cousin cousin Henry's house child? 1358 01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:09.680 Yeah? 1359 01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:15.520 Yeah, yeah, because because Henry was uh, he loved the 1360 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:19.199 Texas Rangers and ship and it was just you know, 1361 01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:22.960 I don't know, did you guys watch True Detective This 1362 01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:26.680 show True Detective that first season with Matthew McConaughey, Like, 1363 01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:29.279 think of the ending of that, right, how the guy 1364 01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:31.479 at the end is like cousins with like all the 1365 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:34.079 people the government doing all that. 1366 01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:37.000 That's how I think of Henry Lee Lucas. I think 1367 01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:38.000 he was family. 1368 01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:41.000 He might have been the fucked up cousin that they 1369 01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:43.640 kept in the closet because he looked crazy, But I 1370 01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:45.239 think he could have been related. 1371 01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:52.640 And yeah, I mean there's so many theories floating around 1372 01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:57.880 out there about like, uh, what's your name? Bush? 1373 01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:04.000 Is Crowley's kid Barbara? I mean I think a lot 1374 01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:06.039 of are related. 1375 01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:06.359 Man. 1376 01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:08.640 I think a lot of these higher up people have 1377 01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:13.960 family members. And and actually one of the Kennedy's nephews 1378 01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:20.600 uh murdered a girl named Martha Moxley or Martha Mosley, 1379 01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:23.560 I can't remember her last name, but like just Peter 1380 01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:26.720 to death with a golf club and just nothing ever happened. 1381 01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.479 I mean you got to understand, like, they'll cover this 1382 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:31.039 stuff up if it needs. 1383 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:33.359 I don't think nothing. 1384 01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:37.760 I think they only bust him as an adult. Yeah, 1385 01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:38.760 I think they bust him. 1386 01:14:39.399 --> 01:14:43.920 Martha's murder, I believe so. Well that's great if they did. 1387 01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:47.159 Mark Frman, of all people, was involved in the private 1388 01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:49.119 investigation that helped turn that case over. 1389 01:14:51.399 --> 01:14:56.600 Well, hell yeah, because everybody you nazi mm hmm. You 1390 01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:59.520 guys want to talk about Gasey and Dahmer a little bit? 1391 01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:04.960 Yeah, sure, real quick. I just uh, it's the f 1392 01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:07.640 O g C. Lodge that I was talking about. It's 1393 01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:11.439 actually pre Mesonic Order of the Golden Centurion. 1394 01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:14.840 They you talk about Zodiac. 1395 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:18.279 Yeah, potentially, Like when I was looking into them, there's 1396 01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:23.399 just there. They're human sacrifice. It Saturnian lodge and apparently 1397 01:15:23.439 --> 01:15:25.039 they're they're Freemasons too. 1398 01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:26.680 Oh it's old. 1399 01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:29.199 It's an old lodge, so I'm not saying it's modern. 1400 01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:31.600 But when you look at into what they were doing 1401 01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:32.560 and the types of stuff. 1402 01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:39.239 Sure, you guys did you guys watch Peggy Sue Got Married. 1403 01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:42.000 It's like an old movie. It's got like Nicholas Cage 1404 01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:45.039 in it. She like goes back in time and they 1405 01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:47.680 literally have a hole Masonic. Oh god, you guys got 1406 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:50.079 to watch it. I feel like I feel like Nicholas 1407 01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:51.359 Cage is into some ship. 1408 01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:54.479 I really, He's got a movie production. 1409 01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:59.880 For sure, for sure, but so. 1410 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:03.760 So getting on gay Sy. I listened to this podcast. 1411 01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:06.479 It was called The Clown and the Candyman and it 1412 01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:08.319 linked Did you listen to it? 1413 01:16:08.439 --> 01:16:08.640 Nick? 1414 01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:09.000 Yes? 1415 01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:12.359 Yeh, all right, so you're gonna know what I'm talking about. 1416 01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:16.119 It linked John Wayne Gacy with this huge pedophile network 1417 01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:19.319 and this guy named Dean Coral who they call the Candyman, 1418 01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:22.800 And fucking people want to talk about Gaysey having a 1419 01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:25.239 high body count. I think he had thirty three victims, 1420 01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:29.640 is what they said, Gaysey. Well, Dean Coral had twenty 1421 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:32.880 seven was it or twenty eight? 1422 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:35.600 And nobody knows who this guy is. 1423 01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:40.880 He got all these boys, tortured them to death, raped them, 1424 01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:43.760 and then he buried their bodies in his boat, shed 1425 01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:47.640 twenty eight of them, and nobody talks about this guy. 1426 01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:52.840 And he said he told his accomplices, that he was 1427 01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:56.439 part of a larger pedophile network that was working out 1428 01:16:56.479 --> 01:17:00.279 of Dallas, and so did John Wayne Gacy. And they 1429 01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:08.039 actually had common associates. Was Philip Paskal. Yeah, so Philip 1430 01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:10.920 Pasky was working with Dean Coral and Philip Pasky was 1431 01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:13.960 working with John Wayne Gacy. And now here's the thing, 1432 01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:18.199 just like with Ted Bundy, there are some victims that 1433 01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:21.880 are attributed to Gaycy that he wasn't even He was 1434 01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:25.399 fucking out of town, fucking miles away when these people 1435 01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:30.640 got abducted, but yet they're considered Gaysey victims. And I 1436 01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:33.680 think that Gaysey could have been something like a finisher 1437 01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:36.800 kind of guy, like where these other pedophiles would have 1438 01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:39.279 their fun and then bring them back to Gaycy to 1439 01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:42.680 finish them, because there's no way he could have abducted 1440 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:46.079 all of them. He was in construction, he was on 1441 01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:49.680 out of town projects when a lot of these kids 1442 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:53.640 went missing. And it just doesn't make sense whatsoever. It's 1443 01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:56.479 like you guys were saying he was political. He has 1444 01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:59.199 a picture of himself with one of the first ladies. 1445 01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:04.680 He said that there were other people involved, but nobody 1446 01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:07.560 likes to talk about that. Shit, just like Berkowitz, there 1447 01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:10.399 are other people involved. Bundy said it too, there are 1448 01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:13.960 other people involved, but we just like it's like literally 1449 01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:17.000 like we won't hear that it has to be just him. 1450 01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:20.000 I mean, I don't know what do you guys think about? 1451 01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:22.640 Do you are you familiar with this Dean Coral guy? 1452 01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:23.760 Oh? 1453 01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:26.359 Yeah, yeah, I believe it was also a connection with 1454 01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:29.359 those same fellows in Ace Brown of the Yonkers tale 1455 01:18:29.880 --> 01:18:33.359 was son of Sam, the pedophile guy who was running 1456 01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:36.359 kids through uh Times Square, but was the local camp 1457 01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:37.920 Yonkers Well. 1458 01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:39.920 And then there and then there's like the colonel guy 1459 01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:45.000 that's talked about with Aacy. But then there's the colonel 1460 01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:49.479 that's also talked about with the Franklin scandal, Michael Yeah. 1461 01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:53.920 And then the guy that was involved with the Gacy 1462 01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:58.319 one lived in Colorado. The one with the Franklin scandal 1463 01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:01.960 lived in Colorado and Buayne Vista and he had a 1464 01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:08.560 house near a place called Elephant Rock, And that's all 1465 01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:13.079 talked about like with the Franklin scandal. But then also 1466 01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:17.560 there's a colonel that's involved with the John Wayne Gacy murders. 1467 01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:22.479 And then you know Paul Banassi, the guy with seventeen personalities. 1468 01:19:22.600 --> 01:19:26.199 He's he's one of the first ones that identified Michael 1469 01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:29.239 Aquino as the colonel, So I mean, I think there 1470 01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:34.680 are definitely ties there. And there was another guy they 1471 01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:37.199 brought up in that podcast I listened to with Dean 1472 01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:40.439 Coral and John Wayne Gacy. His name was like something Sherman, 1473 01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:42.520 I think, uh. 1474 01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:45.520 But he had one of the firstform men. 1475 01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:47.960 I think John Nor was he the one that. 1476 01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:51.039 Had the one that I think that was the one 1477 01:19:51.079 --> 01:19:56.119 that passed. He might have connected him with, yes, because they. 1478 01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:58.119 Were both in jail together Isle Island. 1479 01:19:58.439 --> 01:20:01.039 They were both in jail together, and they supposedly I 1480 01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:02.760 don't know how truthful this is because this is a 1481 01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:06.399 little bullsy. They were printing out like this their newsletter 1482 01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:09.600 that they were still basically out of the prison. 1483 01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:10.279 I don't know. 1484 01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:13.439 It was like a like a fucking catalog for petos. 1485 01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:17.119 Yeah, yeah, and I know their preferences and all that, 1486 01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:19.640 like yes, yes, yeah. 1487 01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:22.840 And one of the sons of like a what wasn't 1488 01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:23.119 it like. 1489 01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:27.319 A GM executive was wrapped up in one of these pedapholwerings. 1490 01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:29.920 I mean, you guys, it goes so deep in the 1491 01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:31.479 case and they're all connected. 1492 01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:31.800 Man. 1493 01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:35.199 In that podcast, that's one of the most shocking, and 1494 01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:36.239 I think I may have. 1495 01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:39.359 Played we actually when we covered Gaycy, we actually did 1496 01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:41.479 use that podcast to pull some stuff out of it, 1497 01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:44.960 and I might have actually taken samples of the cops 1498 01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:47.159 that even said if you were to see some of 1499 01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:48.079 the names that were in. 1500 01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:51.520 These things, it was you wouldn't believe it. 1501 01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:53.560 That's what they said. It was right people's names. You'd 1502 01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:55.039 be like, oh my god, I cannot believe this. 1503 01:20:56.439 --> 01:21:01.520 Yeah, well, well, Gaysey was supposedly in in the United 1504 01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:07.239 States Junior Chamber the j c's. The j c's and 1505 01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:11.000 I always said it a little interesting is they have 1506 01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:15.279 for me personally, they have an annual party every year 1507 01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:20.359 called this the Stag And supposedly Gasey used those Stag 1508 01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:24.039 parties to kind of like get people in this. 1509 01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:27.640 Group with the cards and everything. 1510 01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:31.079 Well, and then one of the j c's, like the 1511 01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:35.119 one of the higher up guys, Gasey sodomized his son 1512 01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:37.399 and that was the first charge he ever got. 1513 01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:41.439 So it's like, you know, you hear about how. 1514 01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:45.760 They they let they do these things to blackmail politicians 1515 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:47.600 and shit, and it's like, what are the chances that 1516 01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:52.119 John Wayne Gacy's in this jc's club and then one 1517 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:56.640 of the fucking guy's kids get sodomized and it's like, oh, well, 1518 01:21:56.760 --> 01:21:59.479 you know that was just totally random. We don't know 1519 01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:01.359 how that happened, Like how do you get a hold 1520 01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:04.800 of this kid and for that long period of time 1521 01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:07.760 and then like, I don't know, you guys, it just 1522 01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:10.800 it seems like all of this is so interconnected and 1523 01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:15.600 there's such a spider web and it's it's actually the 1524 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:20.560 same with uh, the John Beney case, I believe because 1525 01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:23.239 I talked about it with Nick before a long time ago. 1526 01:22:23.319 --> 01:22:25.039 I don't know what was that Nick, a year ago 1527 01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:30.439 or something. There's these larger pedophile rings that operate and 1528 01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:36.760 you know these wonder late what what is it wonderland raids. 1529 01:22:37.439 --> 01:22:41.039 We're going down and they found a bunch of people 1530 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:43.399 with pictures of John Benet on their computer and shit. 1531 01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:44.920 So it's like. 1532 01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:51.840 John Benet's dad was running that Access Graphics company. The 1533 01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:54.680 name itself, I feel like, is a dead giveaway. But 1534 01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:58.520 Dave McGowan links John Benay in with all this other 1535 01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:01.000 shit and program to kill. I mean, you guys got 1536 01:23:01.119 --> 01:23:03.359 to read that book if you get a chance, because 1537 01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:07.079 like even the chapter on John Beney is fucking wild, dude, 1538 01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:11.960 It's wild, and he pretty much links what happened to 1539 01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:16.119 John Beney in with what happens with all these pedophile rings. 1540 01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:16.760 And. 1541 01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:21.359 A Dahmer is the only one I will say is 1542 01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:24.880 probably an authentic serial killer. You guys can disagree with me. 1543 01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:27.520 I do think he had help, I do think he 1544 01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:30.840 was trained, but I think he's one of the only 1545 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:34.000 ones that I will say may have been an authentic 1546 01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:37.479 serial killer. And I kind of wanted to wrap up 1547 01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.239 with some stuff on Dahmer unless you guys had anything 1548 01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:41.560 else you wanted to add. 1549 01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:44.720 I wanted to add something real quick on the John 1550 01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:46.359 benet Uh. 1551 01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:51.439 Supposedly there's this lodge or this like I guess like 1552 01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:54.159 a cult group, and they're they're near where me and 1553 01:23:54.279 --> 01:24:00.479 Mike live, and there's some rumor that that that but 1554 01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:04.880 her murder is tied to this weird like a cult lodge, 1555 01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:07.399 and it's kind of like a really it's like a 1556 01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:12.039 Blavatsky like New Age kind of thing, and it's it's 1557 01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:15.800 where the Emerald tablets come from and where the Ben 1558 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:19.199 Carson guy that keeps talking about he got it. 1559 01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:23.359 From this guy and his name is like doctor doctor Dorriel. 1560 01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:29.079 Oh yeah, and there's some connection with Bennet and like 1561 01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:36.000 supposedly a Kino and this place, oh my god, yes, 1562 01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:36.920 night's Timplar. 1563 01:24:38.199 --> 01:24:39.680 How are you spelling this doctor's name? 1564 01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:47.840 It's a d O R E A L. I think 1565 01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:49.520 it's Brotherhood of the White Temple. 1566 01:24:50.399 --> 01:24:52.079 Interesting, Yeah, I see that. Interesting. 1567 01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:55.399 You guys got to listen to my John Benet stuff 1568 01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:59.800 that I did two I did just like a solo 1569 01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:03.479 episode on it, and then I did one with Nick obviously, 1570 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:08.720 but uh there that story goes deep and there's a 1571 01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:16.279 lot of information, and I uh did think that Dave 1572 01:25:16.359 --> 01:25:18.920 McGowan did a pretty good job in Program to Kill 1573 01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:21.920 kind of talking about what he thought happened with John Beney, and. 1574 01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:23.600 It's it's like anything else. 1575 01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:26.520 I just I don't think that the mainstream narrative even 1576 01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:31.119 comes close to giving anybody the truth about that. 1577 01:25:32.079 --> 01:25:33.840 And she'll probably never see. 1578 01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:37.880 Justice because that's just how it is. And you know, 1579 01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:42.720 John Ramsey, the dad, his older daughter died weird too, 1580 01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:45.720 so this would have would have been his second dead kid. 1581 01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:49.000 And the little brother, Brooke is all but a basket 1582 01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:53.520 case and they've got his ass on Doctor Phil and 1583 01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:55.359 I watched the interview and it's. 1584 01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:57.199 Like, is this fucking real life right now? 1585 01:25:57.319 --> 01:25:57.560 Dude? 1586 01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:03.560 Like he it's just cartoon ish almost watching this guy. 1587 01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:06.680 And and he's like, have you ever read the ransom note? 1588 01:26:06.840 --> 01:26:10.039 You know when they kidnapped your little sister, And he's like. 1589 01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:15.840 Ransom note and he's like laughing, he's laughing. I mean, 1590 01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:18.079 it's just you guys. 1591 01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:21.159 It ties into a Hunter s Thompson too. 1592 01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:24.760 Yeah, I mean that guy was up there. 1593 01:26:25.399 --> 01:26:27.680 He had a golden ticket to do whatever he wants. 1594 01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:29.880 So I have family that lived up there during the 1595 01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:34.119 same time you kept away from him. He had a 1596 01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:37.760 golden passage, shoot guns, as much dope as you could 1597 01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:40.000 possibly imagine, and there were stars in and out of 1598 01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:42.720 that place, and the rumors of what he was doing 1599 01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:44.119 up there is very dark. 1600 01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:46.720 Dude. Have you heard that he raped his cat? 1601 01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:48.199 No? 1602 01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:48.840 I didn't. 1603 01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:50.319 I believe it, man. 1604 01:26:56.600 --> 01:27:03.880 What Yeah, dude, the Hunter Stomps had raped this fucking 1605 01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:05.479 cat and. 1606 01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:09.640 Was very tied into politics. 1607 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:11.920 It brings a whole new meaning to get in some 1608 01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:14.159 pussy's there's. 1609 01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:15.800 A Hunter s Thompson. Fun fact, he used to be 1610 01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:18.840 the security guard for the Eslam Institute when it first started. 1611 01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:22.279 He lived on the site there and guard of the grounds. 1612 01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:26.560 So Obi wants to do an episode just on Hunter 1613 01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:28.479 because he's a whole, but go ahead. 1614 01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:30.159 Sorry, he's interesting. 1615 01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:31.239 Go ahead, finish. 1616 01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:35.560 No, that's it. Go ahead. So some of these, some 1617 01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:36.119 of these. 1618 01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:41.279 Major characters or players that kind of were instrumental into 1619 01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:45.680 the foundation of and uh some of the experimentations that 1620 01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:49.239 went on in Stanford and so forth. They all got 1621 01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:52.399 their start in Loslomos. They were kids of families that 1622 01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:56.680 were dropped there. I believe the actual school for boys 1623 01:27:56.800 --> 01:28:01.800 or something was started by Oppenheim Ramas, but they all 1624 01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:05.079 kind of started the whole you know, programming or being 1625 01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:09.159 indoctrinated there, and then they move on to Los Angeles, 1626 01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:12.800 and then we have all of this further indoctrination where 1627 01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:17.479 most of the kids were children of parents who were 1628 01:28:17.560 --> 01:28:21.560 indoctrinated themselves. What I find interesting is a couple of 1629 01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:24.159 things is so, you know, going back to the Kate 1630 01:28:24.359 --> 01:28:28.199 and La Bianca murders, is that nobody ever brings up 1631 01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:34.000 Frank Sinatra in that pharaoh, him and Mia Farah were 1632 01:28:34.079 --> 01:28:37.159 on the ropes bad. He wanted her to leave Rosemary's 1633 01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:42.079 baby and he would show up unannounced because he knew 1634 01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:45.039 that Roman Polanski had a thing for Mia Pharaoh and 1635 01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:48.119 he would remake He would make Mia Pharaoh do with 1636 01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:51.600 the sex scenes over and over and over, and especially 1637 01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:54.119 when Bank Sinatra was on scene, he would do it. 1638 01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:58.840 So he served divorce papers to Mia Pharaoh on Rosemary's 1639 01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:03.000 Baby and the entire Rosemary's Baby theme or whatever is 1640 01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:07.119 pretty much what I guess you could say is you 1641 01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:10.880 know Sharon Tate's fate right or so forth. One of 1642 01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:14.359 the things that you look at Frank Sinatra, he had 1643 01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:18.199 a huge following and one of his major major fans 1644 01:29:18.479 --> 01:29:22.560 was Aquino, and yet nobody talks about that, you know, 1645 01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:26.239 and how he was absolutely obsessed with Frank Sinatra, and 1646 01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:32.600 they know that we have a lot of attribute attributing 1647 01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:37.840 crimes to Aquino. Aquino, sorry, Aquino and Frank Sinatra kind 1648 01:29:37.880 --> 01:29:39.920 of just like dissolves out and the thing. And we 1649 01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:43.279 had talked, like with SFK, how you have these traveling 1650 01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:46.079 bands and they can go anywhere, and however he has 1651 01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:51.399 ties to the mob. There there were alleged, alleged rumors 1652 01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:54.239 that he was kind of a hit guy for other people. 1653 01:29:55.239 --> 01:29:58.520 He did pay for the funeral of Sammy Davis, so 1654 01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:01.319 he was part of these And we do know that 1655 01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:05.000 most of these people belong to secret societies, secret societies 1656 01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:08.520 that have all kind of started, whether it was in Europe, 1657 01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:12.159 but a lot of them in California. And one of 1658 01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:14.640 the main interesting things is that if you take it 1659 01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:19.000 ten from Dallas who sent to Los Angeles, you get 1660 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:21.720 six hundred and sixteen miles and I believe that is 1661 01:30:21.800 --> 01:30:24.880 the real number of the Beast and rights Maximware. Dab 1662 01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:27.520 in the middle is Los Alamos. And so nobody really 1663 01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:30.039 makes those connections. And I always thought that that good 1664 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:32.840 that you know, it's one of those things that's kind 1665 01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:35.479 of in the periphery. You can't really make anything of it, 1666 01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:36.159 but it's there. 1667 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:38.600 And so yeah, are you. 1668 01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:44.279 Guys familiar with the Lookout Mountain Laboratory at all? Okay, Well, 1669 01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:47.479 you know who had top secret clearance to that bitch 1670 01:30:47.680 --> 01:30:51.600 was like Marilyn Monroe, Frank Sinatra president. 1671 01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:52.159 Yeah. 1672 01:30:52.600 --> 01:30:54.800 So it's like you were saying that it is a 1673 01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:58.239 secret club. So do you really say that motherfucker's last 1674 01:30:58.319 --> 01:30:58.960 name with Quino? 1675 01:30:59.520 --> 01:30:59.680 Is that? 1676 01:30:59.760 --> 01:30:59.880 How? 1677 01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:01.239 I don't I don't know. 1678 01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:03.399 Is it a Quino or is it Akino? 1679 01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:09.279 A potato. 1680 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:10.920 Asshole. 1681 01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:12.960 I was gonna say, I might have been saying it 1682 01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:19.399 wrong this whole time. I don't know, but there's something 1683 01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:21.640 that ties in a Queen. 1684 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:23.960 I don't know. I don't know how to say it. 1685 01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:30.399 Neither ties into the whole because how he has the 1686 01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:36.279 widow's peak, going Mickey Mouse into Mickey Mouse, and on 1687 01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:40.239 Rosemary's Baby, she ends up getting drugged by slipp being 1688 01:31:40.279 --> 01:31:42.479 slipped to Mickey right, and. 1689 01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:45.680 So wearing. 1690 01:31:47.439 --> 01:31:51.239 As well, almost as a nod to knowing what happened 1691 01:31:51.479 --> 01:31:52.199 with the murders. 1692 01:31:52.880 --> 01:31:55.359 And Sammy Davis. 1693 01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:57.199 And a Queeno. 1694 01:31:57.279 --> 01:31:59.239 They're both in the Church of Satan at the exact 1695 01:31:59.279 --> 01:31:59.760 same time. 1696 01:31:59.800 --> 01:32:06.560 They dabbling and Satanism, if you will, And they were 1697 01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:07.279 all they were. 1698 01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:10.439 All members of secret societies, all of the rap Pack. 1699 01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:12.960 It may not be the same secret society, but they 1700 01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:16.319 were all members of a secret society for sure. 1701 01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:19.960 That's so fucked and I mean, it's the sad truth. 1702 01:32:20.119 --> 01:32:25.800 But I so that's why I think we should get 1703 01:32:25.880 --> 01:32:28.479 this same group together to go over Laurel Canyon stuff, 1704 01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:30.760 because it's so interconnected. I mean, if you're going to 1705 01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:32.720 talk about one, you almost have to bring up the 1706 01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:35.840 other because it's like the Lookout Mountain laboratory thing. All 1707 01:32:35.960 --> 01:32:39.680 these assholes were had top secret clearance. I've done like 1708 01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:43.840 three episodes on Marilyn Monroe and how she was definitely 1709 01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:51.000 not fucking unliving herself, and it's I don't know if. 1710 01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:55.600 You guys have nine to five jobs or whatever where. 1711 01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:57.479 You can listen to podcasts, but if you have a chance, 1712 01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:01.439 listen to, uh what I put together on Maryland, because man, 1713 01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:06.199 it's clearly blatantly obvious, just with scientific evidence alone and 1714 01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:09.800 no conspiracy stuff, that she did not commit suicide. I 1715 01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:12.239 don't even have to take it to a conspiratorial level. 1716 01:33:12.520 --> 01:33:15.479 I can just show you autopsy report findings and prove 1717 01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:18.039 to you that she didn't kill herself. So I mean, 1718 01:33:18.159 --> 01:33:22.439 it's just but they're so good at selling you mainstream narratives. 1719 01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:25.079 I did it on Tinfoil Hat even I went on 1720 01:33:25.199 --> 01:33:28.359 and talked about Marilyn Monroe because it's like, it's crazy 1721 01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:30.439 the amount of stuff that's out there that you can 1722 01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:33.600 find that prove that she could not have committed suicide, 1723 01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:35.960 but nobody wants to talk about that. They'd rather make 1724 01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:40.960 seventeen documentaries about her on Netflix about how depressed she was, 1725 01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:44.399 and like, oh, she had a hard life, and dude, 1726 01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:48.000 she is a programmed, multiple fucking monarch. 1727 01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:51.960 You know that she's a sex kitten like that. 1728 01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:57.680 This is the realist shit in I just I think 1729 01:33:57.800 --> 01:34:01.199 that people are just fall so easily for whatever they 1730 01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:01.880 put out there. 1731 01:34:03.119 --> 01:34:06.119 I don't know. I don't know who Tracy Twyman is. 1732 01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:10.119 Look how about Jane Jane Mansfield. 1733 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:12.039 Oh yeah, that's another one. 1734 01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:16.640 Hey there didn't Anton Levey have like some dedication in 1735 01:34:16.720 --> 01:34:21.600 his Satanic Bible to Jane Mansfield and uh Tuesday Weld 1736 01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:22.680 Marilyn Monroe. 1737 01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:26.880 But he put a curse on the guy and he 1738 01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:29.640 didn't he didn't want her. He told her to not 1739 01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:33.119 basically ride with him in the vehicle or whatever. 1740 01:34:34.079 --> 01:34:34.560 Uh huh. 1741 01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:36.159 And basically that was. 1742 01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:39.600 The invention of the Mansfield but the man, yeah, the 1743 01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:43.840 Mansfield bar on trailers for semis. 1744 01:34:44.119 --> 01:34:46.600 Well, I don't want to get too far off on 1745 01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:49.239 a tangent. I don't know how you guys feel about 1746 01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:56.279 the the the conspiracy that Paul McCartney was killed the 1747 01:34:56.359 --> 01:34:59.000 real one in a car accident and replaced by another dude. 1748 01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:03.079 But they have Jane Mansfield on the Yellow Submarine album cover, 1749 01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:08.159 and there's all this other really weird symbolism on the 1750 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:10.680 Yellow Submarine not the Yellow Submarine, was it. 1751 01:35:13.600 --> 01:35:14.279 Sergeant Pepper? 1752 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:17.960 Sergeant Pepper, Yeah, where they're all standing above a grave. 1753 01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:22.600 So one of the faces in the background is Jane Mansfield. 1754 01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:24.920 And they do say that the real Paul was killed 1755 01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:28.800 in a car accident, you know, very man's Field esque, 1756 01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:33.960 and you know, was replaced by this other guy who like, right, yeah, 1757 01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:38.199 and whoever replaced Paul I approve, because the motherfucker was 1758 01:35:38.319 --> 01:35:40.880 talented and he wrote some great songs and he did 1759 01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:44.239 a lot of great work, and you know, thumbs up 1760 01:35:44.319 --> 01:35:47.239 to that guy whoever replaced him. But they I did 1761 01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:51.039 find that interesting that they snuck Jane Mansfield in that 1762 01:35:51.279 --> 01:35:54.000 album cover. You know, it could be one of those 1763 01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:58.119 candy conspiracy theories, but I think that it was interesting 1764 01:35:58.199 --> 01:35:58.920 they included that. 1765 01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:04.119 But Crowley's on that cover too, Yeah, shut your mouth. 1766 01:36:06.920 --> 01:36:07.720 In the background. 1767 01:36:07.880 --> 01:36:14.720 Yeah, he's allegedly Sergeant Pepper play rock and roll twenty 1768 01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:17.920 years ago today, that'd have been forty seven versus sixty seven. 1769 01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:22.319 Right. Well, and there's all that stuff about who is 1770 01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:24.840 the Walrus? And we talked about. 1771 01:36:26.840 --> 01:36:29.720 Lewis Carol in the last episode being a huge Peto 1772 01:36:30.239 --> 01:36:33.119 and then you know, John Lennon was obsessed with him 1773 01:36:33.159 --> 01:36:36.920 and they had all this Walrus imagery the Beatles did, 1774 01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:42.000 and the Walrus is Paul who might be dead and 1775 01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:43.359 replaced by lookalike. 1776 01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:48.760 So you never know when speaking of like Mansfield, Levey 1777 01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:54.880 isn't Jane Mansfield Murska Hardigay's mother, the actress from Law 1778 01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:55.279 and Order. 1779 01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:57.159 Oh, you're right from Law and Order, right? 1780 01:36:57.680 --> 01:36:57.920 Yeah? 1781 01:36:59.079 --> 01:37:03.920 Yeah, And she's a huge Swift ye it a Swift fan, 1782 01:37:05.479 --> 01:37:10.079 you know, the Ta Swift looks exactly like Cena Elavay. 1783 01:37:13.800 --> 01:37:16.800 Here, let's bring it all the way back to the 1784 01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:21.199 Laurel Canyon. Isn't Anton Levey in the cover of Hotel 1785 01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:22.520 California as well? 1786 01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:23.920 Yeah? 1787 01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:29.920 Yeah, yeah, So now we've brought it all the way 1788 01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:32.840 full circle back to the canyon. My favorite thing to do. 1789 01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:38.439 But yeah, so I wanted to kind of wrap up 1790 01:37:38.479 --> 01:37:41.079 with Dahmer if you guys are down to talk some 1791 01:37:41.279 --> 01:37:42.560 Dahmer really quick. 1792 01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:48.119 All right. So, Dahmer, I think that he was fucked 1793 01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:50.000 up since he was a child. I think that. 1794 01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:55.800 There could possibly be tests that they give to children 1795 01:37:55.880 --> 01:37:58.279 in school and ship where they can pick out potential 1796 01:37:58.359 --> 01:38:03.399 psychopaths in my opinion because for some reason, Jeff has 1797 01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:06.199 like weird stuff that happened while he was even in 1798 01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:10.600 high school. Like on his senior class trip, they went 1799 01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:14.319 to Washington and he makes some type of like anomaloist 1800 01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:16.920 phone call that we don't know who he called or 1801 01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:19.359 how he got the phone number, but he was able 1802 01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:22.720 to arrange a private tour of the White House for 1803 01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:26.399 him and all of his classmates in his on his 1804 01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:30.239 senior trip. Nobody knows who he called, nobody knows how 1805 01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:33.159 he was able to get that set up. But like 1806 01:38:33.279 --> 01:38:36.000 I said, I think Jeff was an authentic serial killer. 1807 01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:38.800 I think they had him picked out from an early age. 1808 01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:42.319 I don't know what his connections were. He got some 1809 01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:44.920 private trip around the White House for him and all 1810 01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:48.720 of his friends, and then he later goes on and 1811 01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:53.279 comes military, and while he's in the military, this is 1812 01:38:53.359 --> 01:38:55.479 something that I just found out that a lot of 1813 01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:59.000 people don't talk about. There are two Jeffrey Dahmer victims 1814 01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:02.800 that survive that he was in the military with in Germany. 1815 01:39:04.039 --> 01:39:07.640 And one of them's name is Preston Davis, and the 1816 01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:12.800 other one's name is Billy Chapman, I believe, and they 1817 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:17.039 both talk about getting drugged and brutally raped and tortured 1818 01:39:17.079 --> 01:39:21.800 by Jeffrey Dahmer, but he didn't kill them. And this 1819 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:24.840 was all in Germany while he was in the military. 1820 01:39:25.319 --> 01:39:28.039 And the one guy, Billy Chapman, he even got a 1821 01:39:28.159 --> 01:39:32.000 rape kit done and he went to go get the 1822 01:39:32.079 --> 01:39:35.039 results of the rape kit and said, Jeffrey Dahmer raped 1823 01:39:35.159 --> 01:39:38.560 me and all, oh, sorry, lost the results. 1824 01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:40.800 We can't we don't know where they are. 1825 01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:45.760 And so these two guys have been screaming at the 1826 01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:48.800 top of their lungs that people need to start looking 1827 01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:53.119 at missing people in Germany from the time that jeff 1828 01:39:53.319 --> 01:39:58.720 was there, and that they also said Florida and somewhere else. 1829 01:39:58.840 --> 01:40:02.600 He has victims to that have never been identified, but 1830 01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:05.319 they are Dahmer victims, and so. 1831 01:40:07.199 --> 01:40:08.520 He started real early. 1832 01:40:09.479 --> 01:40:13.760 And it's crazy to me because not only could there 1833 01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:18.439 be other victims when he was in Germany that we 1834 01:40:18.520 --> 01:40:20.720 don't know about and two survivors. 1835 01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:25.840 When he gets back home, he's on a whole other level. 1836 01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:27.479 He's like drinking blood. 1837 01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:32.119 Bags and he's going to these bathhouses and he's going 1838 01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:35.439 to the gay clubs, and he's taken it to an 1839 01:40:37.159 --> 01:40:41.520 extra fucking level, like whereas before he had killed one guy. 1840 01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:44.319 It was a hitchhiker guy. He took him back to 1841 01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:46.960 his house and he busted him upside the head with 1842 01:40:47.079 --> 01:40:49.479 like a barbell or something, and it cooked him in 1843 01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:53.079 the oven and fucking turned his bones into fucking cat 1844 01:40:53.159 --> 01:40:55.600 litter or some shit, and sprinkled him all over the place. 1845 01:40:56.279 --> 01:40:59.000 Then he goes to the military. He comes out Jeff 1846 01:40:59.079 --> 01:41:02.319 two point zero, and he's on some whole other scientific 1847 01:41:02.439 --> 01:41:05.960 type shit, like where the fuck did you learn this, Jeff? 1848 01:41:06.640 --> 01:41:10.399 And he was supposedly just a medic, So where did 1849 01:41:10.439 --> 01:41:12.720 he learn all this this shit? 1850 01:41:13.079 --> 01:41:13.239 You know? 1851 01:41:14.399 --> 01:41:19.560 He was Also, he had an honorable discharge, but they 1852 01:41:19.600 --> 01:41:24.000 said they they he got discharged for being an alcoholic. 1853 01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:26.640 So I don't know if that's a thing. If you 1854 01:41:26.720 --> 01:41:29.840 can be a raging alcoholic and still get an honorable 1855 01:41:29.960 --> 01:41:33.840 discharge with full benefits, it seems like to me you wouldn't, 1856 01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:37.520 but Jeff did. And it's like I said, he gets 1857 01:41:37.560 --> 01:41:40.000 out of the military and he's Jeffrey two point zero. 1858 01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:47.319 And so are you guys familiar enough with this case 1859 01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:49.159 to know what I'm talking about When I say that 1860 01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:52.399 big bear that he had like a barrel of acid 1861 01:41:52.479 --> 01:41:55.560 in his apartment where he would just throw bodies in 1862 01:41:55.720 --> 01:41:59.720 and let him. All right, this is something that doesn't 1863 01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:05.119 make sense, guys, Jeffrey never owned a car, never owned 1864 01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:05.399 a car. 1865 01:42:05.640 --> 01:42:10.600 Okay, he said. He went to the store, Tell me 1866 01:42:10.680 --> 01:42:12.239 what store you can get this from. 1867 01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:19.239 Bought a fifty seven gallon drum of acid, called a cab, 1868 01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:24.039 loaded the fifty seven gallon drum of acid into the 1869 01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:28.199 cab by himself, didn't spill any didn't nothing, drove it 1870 01:42:28.359 --> 01:42:32.279 back to his apartment, then carried it by himself up 1871 01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:37.199 two flights of stairs into his apartment. But when the 1872 01:42:37.359 --> 01:42:41.800 police came to take the barrel out of the apartment, 1873 01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:45.439 it took two guys in hazmat suits with a moving 1874 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:48.720 dolly to get it down the two flights of stairstick 1875 01:42:48.880 --> 01:42:50.319 and get it out of his apartment. 1876 01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:53.880 So you're telling me this guy with no car by himself, 1877 01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:56.159 and the cab driver asked no questions. 1878 01:42:56.399 --> 01:43:01.920 Apparently he got a fifty seven then gallon drum of 1879 01:43:02.119 --> 01:43:06.720 acid from the store what store, I don't know, to 1880 01:43:06.880 --> 01:43:14.000 his apartment. There he toted that bitch up two flights 1881 01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:15.640 of stairs by himself. 1882 01:43:16.279 --> 01:43:19.479 And nobody asked any questions, like, jeff what's in the barrel. 1883 01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:24.760 Nobody saw him in the hallway like with a rope 1884 01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:27.199 tied around this bitch, like pulling it up the stairs, 1885 01:43:27.239 --> 01:43:28.920 and said, Jeff, what's in the barrel? 1886 01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:32.239 Like are you serious? This guy had no car. 1887 01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:36.399 Also, a couple of his victims they lived like two 1888 01:43:36.520 --> 01:43:40.600 hours away from where he lived, and somehow he was 1889 01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:45.000 able to walk abduct them and then walk them back 1890 01:43:45.640 --> 01:43:48.840 two hours by car. Okay, so you can imagine what 1891 01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:52.880 that would be walking. But somehow with no car, he 1892 01:43:53.479 --> 01:43:57.520 got them from another city back to his city. And like, guys, 1893 01:43:57.640 --> 01:43:59.760 it's almost like the Ted Bundy thing. He couldn't be 1894 01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:06.000 too places at once. And his dad almost has like 1895 01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:08.359 a gay crush on him. He shows up in all 1896 01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:12.680 the interviews with Jeff. He's always taken Jeff's side. He's 1897 01:44:12.760 --> 01:44:15.640 always saying, what a great guy Jeff is. His dad's 1898 01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:19.000 a fucking scientist. You want to talk about, where did 1899 01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:22.640 he get a fifty seven gallon drama of acid? 1900 01:44:22.720 --> 01:44:25.159 I don't know. Maybe his fucking scientist dad that works 1901 01:44:25.199 --> 01:44:29.720 out a research lab. Okay, how about that? How about 1902 01:44:29.800 --> 01:44:30.560 his dad. 1903 01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:32.720 Wrote a book and said that he's had dark thoughts 1904 01:44:32.800 --> 01:44:35.239 his entire life and wanted to burn a bitch alive 1905 01:44:35.479 --> 01:44:37.439 and like do all this other stuff. And then he's 1906 01:44:37.439 --> 01:44:40.319 always showing up in interviews with Jeff saying like, Jeff's 1907 01:44:40.359 --> 01:44:41.039 not a bad guy. 1908 01:44:41.159 --> 01:44:44.079 Jeff isn't that. I think his fucking dad was helping him. 1909 01:44:44.359 --> 01:44:47.159 I think his dad fucking brought him the gallon fifty 1910 01:44:47.199 --> 01:44:50.359 seven gallon druma acid and towed it up the stairs. 1911 01:44:50.680 --> 01:44:52.119 I think his dad knew a lot more. 1912 01:44:52.399 --> 01:44:56.560 Do you remember this story where Jeff's dad came over 1913 01:44:56.760 --> 01:44:59.960 to his apartment or his house or something and he said, Jeff, 1914 01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:02.079 what's in the box? And he was like, all, I 1915 01:45:02.119 --> 01:45:04.600 can't open the box. There's a bunch of nudi magazines 1916 01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:07.800 in it. I'll get those nudy magazines out and I'll 1917 01:45:07.840 --> 01:45:09.000 show you the box tomorrow. 1918 01:45:09.399 --> 01:45:12.840 And he's like okay, and he just leaves. What parent, 1919 01:45:12.960 --> 01:45:14.119 do you know if your. 1920 01:45:14.039 --> 01:45:16.239 Kid had a locked box under their bed and you 1921 01:45:16.319 --> 01:45:18.399 were like, what's in the box, Jeff, and they were like, 1922 01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:19.760 it's nudy magazines. 1923 01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:20.520 I can't show you. 1924 01:45:20.720 --> 01:45:24.680 Come back tomorrow after I've gotten rid of it. You'd 1925 01:45:24.720 --> 01:45:28.760 be like, motherfucker, open this box up right now. I'm 1926 01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:32.199 not coming back tomorrow. There is no me coming back tomorrow. 1927 01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:34.960 Open the box. He had a fucking head in the box. 1928 01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:38.199 He had a whole cock and bal sat in the 1929 01:45:38.359 --> 01:45:42.159 box and they could have found out right then what 1930 01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:45.520 he was doing. But no, his dad leaves and comes 1931 01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:48.359 back the next day after he's had time to like 1932 01:45:48.920 --> 01:45:49.479 get rid. 1933 01:45:49.399 --> 01:45:49.840 Of the shit. 1934 01:45:50.319 --> 01:45:53.920 Also, where did he learn all this taxidermy stuff and 1935 01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:56.960 like how to like melt these bones down and all that? 1936 01:45:57.279 --> 01:45:59.119 Maybe from his dad the chemist. 1937 01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:03.760 I don't no, Well, wasn't there a crossover with another 1938 01:46:03.880 --> 01:46:06.239 serial killer in the army in Germany at the same time? 1939 01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:09.600 As as uh? I like how we're referring to as 1940 01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:15.399 Jeff as if he's coming over related for pizza. He's Yeah, 1941 01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:18.359 wasn't Arthur shaw Cross I believe was also a serial 1942 01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:22.760 killer John at the same time. It's almost like I 1943 01:46:22.840 --> 01:46:24.319 think he was also a medic as well, if I 1944 01:46:24.399 --> 01:46:27.800 remember correctly. Like em and old Jeff were in some 1945 01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:28.920 sort of training together. 1946 01:46:29.279 --> 01:46:32.239 Dude, they were in a gay fucking lover's relationship, is 1947 01:46:32.279 --> 01:46:32.760 what they were. 1948 01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:34.479 Yeah, Like listen to me. 1949 01:46:35.000 --> 01:46:40.079 Jeff said he got off by watching The Exorcist Part 1950 01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:44.039 two and then he would go get victims and then 1951 01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:46.479 he wanted to take all the bones and make an 1952 01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:50.960 altar in his apartment, right, right, Well, here's something that 1953 01:46:51.039 --> 01:46:54.039 nobody else talks about. You know how he he molested 1954 01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:57.560 one brother and then the other brother he drilled holes 1955 01:46:57.600 --> 01:46:59.840 in his skull and injected acid into his brain. 1956 01:46:59.880 --> 01:47:01.039 That was a set of brothers. 1957 01:47:01.560 --> 01:47:04.920 Well, there's another set of brothers too, because one of 1958 01:47:05.039 --> 01:47:10.119 the Jeffrey Dahmer victims brothers, after Jeff went to jail, 1959 01:47:10.920 --> 01:47:14.800 was killed in a ritual sacrifice. That's what the article says. 1960 01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:17.920 One of the brothers of a Dahmer victim was killed 1961 01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:21.319 in a ritual sacrifice after jeff had already said all 1962 01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:24.359 this stuff about setting up altars in his apartment and shit. 1963 01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:27.399 You might think he had help from the outside, or 1964 01:47:27.520 --> 01:47:29.960 he was part of a group, right, or maybe his 1965 01:47:30.159 --> 01:47:30.920 dad helped him. 1966 01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:31.319 I don't know. 1967 01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:31.960 I don't know. 1968 01:47:34.319 --> 01:47:37.000 He got that. Maybe he's got that ship. 1969 01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:40.800 So what you're saying is he borrowed his dad's car 1970 01:47:41.600 --> 01:47:45.920 to do. Dude, If he borrowed his dad's car, I 1971 01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:47.079 bet his dad knew. 1972 01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:49.359 Exist he stole's notes on how to how to do 1973 01:47:49.479 --> 01:47:50.159 all this stuff too. 1974 01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:56.279 Well, he's kind of the foest gump of serial killers, right, Yeah, 1975 01:47:56.359 --> 01:47:56.640 and he. 1976 01:47:56.800 --> 01:47:59.479 Was brutally honest too. He'd be like, I went to the. 1977 01:47:59.520 --> 01:48:02.560 Bar and I would just pick the most attractive guy, 1978 01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:05.199 and I would take them back to my apartment and 1979 01:48:05.279 --> 01:48:07.840 I cut their dick off, and I would like he 1980 01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:10.520 would just tell you and grew some detail. 1981 01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:13.359 The ship that he was doing right, like it was 1982 01:48:13.399 --> 01:48:17.000 totally normal, Like he explains like he was describing his lunch. Yeah, well, 1983 01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:19.800 he's living in a he's living in an alleyway behind 1984 01:48:19.800 --> 01:48:22.000 a pizza shop, and he reports a dead body that 1985 01:48:22.079 --> 01:48:25.159 he just found in an alleyway down there in Miami, 1986 01:48:25.239 --> 01:48:28.119 Florida or Hollywood, Florida at the same time that the 1987 01:48:28.119 --> 01:48:31.079 Adam Walsh murder which owed, which was pending notice tool later. 1988 01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:33.680 But Dahmer's living in an alleyway down there at the 1989 01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:36.319 same time and he just happens to find a dead body. 1990 01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:37.680 He reports to the police. 1991 01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:41.600 Well, and you know what, the kid that he drilled 1992 01:48:42.199 --> 01:48:44.560 into his skull and injected acid. 1993 01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:47.000 This he was a fourteen year old kid. Listen to 1994 01:48:47.079 --> 01:48:51.239 this ship. Tell me these guys aren't protected. The cops. 1995 01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:53.399 Aren't fucking protected the cops. 1996 01:48:54.239 --> 01:48:57.720 He's got blood dripping out of his asshole down his legs, 1997 01:48:57.800 --> 01:49:02.319 he's clearly upset. He's fourteen. These two ladies are like, 1998 01:49:02.439 --> 01:49:04.439 there's a fourteen year old kid. Well, they didn't know. 1999 01:49:04.479 --> 01:49:07.119 They said, there's a young boy out here. He's bleeding, 2000 01:49:07.399 --> 01:49:09.720 he's crying, he's clearly. 2001 01:49:09.479 --> 01:49:11.840 Been something's happened to him. 2002 01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:16.279 And then, uh, not only do they let him go 2003 01:49:16.520 --> 01:49:19.920 back with Jeff, they escort him back to the apartment. 2004 01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:22.840 Here's the thing that nobody talks about, and that's never 2005 01:49:22.920 --> 01:49:26.479 shows up in the documentaries. Jeff had two bodies in 2006 01:49:26.600 --> 01:49:29.640 his bedroom that had been in there just rotting when 2007 01:49:29.680 --> 01:49:33.159 the police dropped this kid off. You're telling me experienced 2008 01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:36.159 police officers wouldn't opened up the door to his apartment 2009 01:49:36.560 --> 01:49:40.840 and not smelled that and not known what that was. Like, 2010 01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:45.359 literally five feet away from the front door of the apartment, 2011 01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:48.600 there's two rotting corpses in Jeff's bed and they. 2012 01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:50.880 Didn't see anything. 2013 01:49:51.880 --> 01:49:54.680 They just leave this kid, They just leave him. Oh, 2014 01:49:54.840 --> 01:49:57.439 it's a bunch of gay guys gay stuff. That's what 2015 01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:01.640 gay sex smells like. It smells like dead b fuck off. Like, 2016 01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:04.800 there's no way those police officers went in that apartment 2017 01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:07.800 and didn't like, they didn't smell anything, they didn't see anything. 2018 01:50:07.840 --> 01:50:11.720 They didn't nothing. Nothing. It's almost as if. 2019 01:50:11.680 --> 01:50:15.079 They ran his name and whoever came back and was like, oh, 2020 01:50:15.119 --> 01:50:17.239 it's Jeff Dahmer. Just you know, just let it go, 2021 01:50:17.720 --> 01:50:21.359 and they left because those two police officers they were 2022 01:50:21.479 --> 01:50:25.479 they were suspended with pay and then they were later reinstated, 2023 01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:28.359 because it was almost as if they were just fulfilling 2024 01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:28.840 an order. 2025 01:50:30.079 --> 01:50:33.720 Oh absolutely, and that within the police be they wouldn't 2026 01:50:33.720 --> 01:50:35.239 have to tell them not to. They would just they 2027 01:50:35.279 --> 01:50:37.239 would already know that there's that's a building or a 2028 01:50:37.319 --> 01:50:40.479 suspect of you know, some reason to avoid that building, 2029 01:50:40.520 --> 01:50:42.000 you know what I mean, So they would that would 2030 01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:44.840 be common knowledge amongst the patrol beat. Right, But with 2031 01:50:45.680 --> 01:50:48.079 Dahmer's other weird connections as far as like you know, 2032 01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:51.159 getting some sort of top coverage, you know, amongst this 2033 01:50:51.239 --> 01:50:53.760 whole network, how does he know all these other members 2034 01:50:53.800 --> 01:50:56.680 of these of these cult networks. Right, One of his victors, 2035 01:50:56.720 --> 01:50:59.760 apparently one of his victims proably came from the same 2036 01:50:59.760 --> 01:51:05.199 spot was Gaysey right, right. 2037 01:51:05.720 --> 01:51:09.319 Yes, yes, that's exactly right. And and they were both gay, right, 2038 01:51:09.520 --> 01:51:12.880 Gacy was gay and Dahmer was gay. And and they're 2039 01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:15.439 getting they're pulling their victims from the same area. 2040 01:51:15.800 --> 01:51:19.279 Yeah, he puts the gay and gacy. But it's like 2041 01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:22.279 it's like Dahmer. 2042 01:51:22.800 --> 01:51:26.840 Listen, guys, he definitely had help and he was definitely 2043 01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:28.079 connected with some ship. 2044 01:51:28.319 --> 01:51:28.680 All right. 2045 01:51:29.439 --> 01:51:35.119 It's it's like some of the stuff to you guys, 2046 01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:41.159 like the the Podestas having this golden Jeffrey Dahmer victim 2047 01:51:41.239 --> 01:51:42.239 statue in their house. 2048 01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:43.600 They're proud of this ship. 2049 01:51:44.119 --> 01:51:46.680 And like, if you were gonna pick a serial killer 2050 01:51:47.239 --> 01:51:50.159 to be proud of, it's gotta be Jeff. He was 2051 01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:54.720 feeding people pulled pork, human ass sandwiches. He was like 2052 01:51:54.920 --> 01:51:57.239 knock on their door and be like, you're hungry, and 2053 01:51:57.680 --> 01:52:00.920 it would be like a victim, and he was like 2054 01:52:01.079 --> 01:52:04.720 feeding it to people like a sick o fucko. And 2055 01:52:05.640 --> 01:52:09.239 they tore the apartment building down, right, they put a 2056 01:52:09.439 --> 01:52:12.000 fucking park where the apartment. 2057 01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:16.159 Like go, It's like, if you're gonna tear the. 2058 01:52:16.199 --> 01:52:18.720 Apartment building down where all this stuff happened, and you're 2059 01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:22.439 gonna put a park there. I was telling Colby about it, 2060 01:52:22.520 --> 01:52:24.640 and I said, do you think like Jeff could have 2061 01:52:24.760 --> 01:52:27.159 opened up like a portal to Hell in that apartment? 2062 01:52:27.199 --> 01:52:29.239 I mean, think of the things he was doing in there. 2063 01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:35.000 I said, that apartment, right, But I said, I said 2064 01:52:35.079 --> 01:52:36.600 the Ghost Adventures should. 2065 01:52:36.359 --> 01:52:37.640 Go and check out the apartment. 2066 01:52:37.720 --> 01:52:39.760 And I was like, oh wait, they tore it down 2067 01:52:39.800 --> 01:52:41.960 and they built a park, and he said, tell him 2068 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:46.600 to go sit on a swing, right. 2069 01:52:47.159 --> 01:52:49.479 I was like, I would never. When would you build 2070 01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:50.119 a park there? 2071 01:52:50.199 --> 01:52:53.479 It's like, so, I mean, Jeff was like I said, 2072 01:52:53.520 --> 01:52:56.359 he said he got off watching The Exorcist Part two 2073 01:52:56.640 --> 01:52:59.520 and he he was building altars and ship and he 2074 01:52:59.680 --> 01:53:00.720 was doing and all this stuff. 2075 01:53:00.800 --> 01:53:05.279 So I mean, ask vampires. 2076 01:53:05.680 --> 01:53:08.800 Maybe that's how he's carrying that giant ass Beryl and 2077 01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:11.199 running at like thirty five miles in Howard. 2078 01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:15.680 He's possessed by some crazy demon though he's like like car. 2079 01:53:19.920 --> 01:53:22.760 Like literally, you guys, I don't know where you stand 2080 01:53:22.840 --> 01:53:26.640 on demonic possession and stuff like that. I myself am 2081 01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:29.359 a spiritual person. I do believe in stuff like that. 2082 01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:32.319 I think it's a very real possibility. I think that 2083 01:53:32.479 --> 01:53:35.640 you can have a demonic possession and also, you know, 2084 01:53:35.800 --> 01:53:38.239 I'll be a programmed killer. I don't think those two 2085 01:53:38.319 --> 01:53:41.399 things have to be separate from each other. If there 2086 01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:44.880 was a case of that, I think Jeff is define definitely. 2087 01:53:44.479 --> 01:53:49.479 One of them. One of his last victims was actually 2088 01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:52.640 a guy named Tracy Edwards, I believe, and he. 2089 01:53:54.800 --> 01:53:57.560 He ran screaming from the apartment and he said, this 2090 01:53:57.720 --> 01:53:59.640 white guy said he's going to eat my heart out, 2091 01:54:00.279 --> 01:54:03.800 and that's how he got busted. But what people don't 2092 01:54:03.920 --> 01:54:07.960 know is actually, out of all the victims that Jeffrey killed, 2093 01:54:08.720 --> 01:54:10.800 the one that got away at the end was a 2094 01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:12.600 pedophile who was on. 2095 01:54:13.119 --> 01:54:15.880 Parole for raping like a twelve year old girl. 2096 01:54:17.279 --> 01:54:20.880 Out of all the Dahmer victims to get away, the 2097 01:54:21.399 --> 01:54:24.439 one at the pedophile guy at the end gets to 2098 01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:25.720 get off scott free. 2099 01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:28.800 If anybody should get their assayed, it was that motherfucker. 2100 01:54:28.840 --> 01:54:29.119 But no. 2101 01:54:30.680 --> 01:54:30.960 Away. 2102 01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:34.479 I Betty would like it. But that's it. 2103 01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:38.680 But I mean, I could go on and on about 2104 01:54:38.760 --> 01:54:41.239 Jeff That's why I did a whole bonus episode Me 2105 01:54:41.319 --> 01:54:44.920 and Coldy on my Patreon of Jess Dahmer stuff because 2106 01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:47.199 I could keep going and going and going, and I 2107 01:54:47.279 --> 01:54:51.720 still wouldn't have covered at all. So you just know 2108 01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:54.199 it's actually Dahmer, just Domer. 2109 01:54:58.199 --> 01:55:03.600 It's like some n it's a sick moom name just Jeff. 2110 01:55:05.199 --> 01:55:07.399 I'd watch that show about dahm Er just Jeff. 2111 01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:16.760 Like he seems so sincere, and he's so brutally honest, 2112 01:55:17.680 --> 01:55:20.760 and he'll just sit there and tell you gory fucking 2113 01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:23.880 details of this ship and it just makes. 2114 01:55:23.640 --> 01:55:27.199 You wonder, you know, like what's the fuck? 2115 01:55:28.159 --> 01:55:30.760 Yeah, that reminds me of the movie Nefarious. Nut know, 2116 01:55:30.760 --> 01:55:32.880 if you guys have seen that, I don't know if 2117 01:55:32.880 --> 01:55:33.439 I've seen it. 2118 01:55:33.560 --> 01:55:36.199 No, I highly recommend. I think you might. 2119 01:55:36.520 --> 01:55:38.239 You might be only able to watch it on YouTube, 2120 01:55:38.279 --> 01:55:41.079 I'm not sure, or in America maybe you can, and 2121 01:55:41.159 --> 01:55:45.359 Canada can only watch it on YouTube. But that's what 2122 01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:49.119 happens when this person on death Row is being interviewed, 2123 01:55:49.159 --> 01:55:53.159 He like switches personalities and then like the demon speaks 2124 01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:56.319 through and he's like so deadpan, like just straight up 2125 01:55:56.560 --> 01:55:57.199 very honest. 2126 01:55:58.560 --> 01:56:02.319 Yeah, like you said, Julie, like, is zomonic possession? Are 2127 01:56:02.359 --> 01:56:03.039 they separate? 2128 01:56:03.439 --> 01:56:03.479 No? 2129 01:56:03.760 --> 01:56:06.800 I think I actually think to be a programmed killer, 2130 01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:08.359 that's exactly what that means. 2131 01:56:09.079 --> 01:56:11.560 I think that they actually have to open you up 2132 01:56:11.640 --> 01:56:13.520 to that to get you to that level. 2133 01:56:13.880 --> 01:56:17.000 The trauma, the traumatization is to open you up to 2134 01:56:18.239 --> 01:56:21.720 entities that can influence your actions and thoughts. I don't 2135 01:56:21.720 --> 01:56:25.239 think that's a basic human action. 2136 01:56:25.680 --> 01:56:29.000 Right, I mean Richard Ramirez pretty much said as much. 2137 01:56:29.279 --> 01:56:33.640 You know that he worshiped the devil and you know whatever. 2138 01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:36.680 And I do think that that plays a big part 2139 01:56:36.760 --> 01:56:39.319 to do with a lot of these serial killers. And 2140 01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:43.960 you know, if we want to do a part three, 2141 01:56:44.119 --> 01:56:46.159 which we don't have to or anything, but I think 2142 01:56:46.760 --> 01:56:51.039 another interesting aspect if we're talking about how the CIA 2143 01:56:51.560 --> 01:56:54.680 can get away with this kind of stuff, a good 2144 01:56:54.720 --> 01:56:58.720 example would be Ruby Ridge and the Sieg John Waco. 2145 01:56:59.159 --> 01:57:02.640 I mean, they can literally just murder people for no 2146 01:57:02.880 --> 01:57:06.399 fucking reason whatsoever and just completely get away with it. 2147 01:57:06.560 --> 01:57:08.880 So if you want an example of that, you guys 2148 01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:11.439 need to look at Ruby Ridge, and you need to 2149 01:57:11.479 --> 01:57:14.319 look at fucking Waco, because if they want you dead, 2150 01:57:14.640 --> 01:57:16.760 you're dead, and they don't even have to have a 2151 01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:17.640 good reason for it. 2152 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:24.039 Another another little interesting tie in I thought of is 2153 01:57:24.319 --> 01:57:28.920 Nicholas Shrek. Oh yeah, loves to interview all the serial killers, 2154 01:57:29.039 --> 01:57:33.760 Ramirez and Manson, and and he's a part of was 2155 01:57:33.800 --> 01:57:35.600 a part of the Church of Satan, and then a 2156 01:57:35.680 --> 01:57:38.079 part of the temple is set with a keynote. 2157 01:57:38.479 --> 01:57:40.800 And wasn't he married to Zena? 2158 01:57:41.119 --> 01:57:42.479 Yeah, yep, and married. 2159 01:57:44.439 --> 01:57:51.720 He's married, mm hmm. But I mean that's all I 2160 01:57:51.800 --> 01:57:55.239 got for Serial Killers for you guys. I hope people 2161 01:57:55.359 --> 01:57:56.279 learned a lot of shit. 2162 01:57:58.359 --> 01:58:00.319 No, that was good and that was a lot of 2163 01:58:00.359 --> 01:58:01.439 stuff and a lot of left. 2164 01:58:03.119 --> 01:58:03.840 Sorry about that. 2165 01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:07.800 You guys were cracking me up. Sorry, the chat is 2166 01:58:07.840 --> 01:58:11.319 on fire tonight. Look at your faces. You're over there 2167 01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:15.479 fucking It's like something is funny. You're pro. Juliet just 2168 01:58:15.560 --> 01:58:17.319 kept going. She's just like, no problem. 2169 01:58:17.479 --> 01:58:20.000 I got this to the people who don't watch the video. 2170 01:58:21.279 --> 01:58:23.640 Teresa left so hard that she actually had to turn 2171 01:58:23.680 --> 01:58:24.239 off a video. 2172 01:58:25.920 --> 01:58:27.000 Let me just get these. 2173 01:58:26.920 --> 01:58:27.760 Giggles over with. 2174 01:58:30.159 --> 01:58:34.439 I'm a horrible person laughing about dam or Like what Teresa? 2175 01:58:34.560 --> 01:58:35.840 What puts you off the head? 2176 01:58:36.079 --> 01:58:37.279 And you can play the chat. 2177 01:58:37.520 --> 01:58:38.760 The chat is off. The hook to. 2178 01:58:40.520 --> 01:58:42.960 The chat, I only saw like every other comment. 2179 01:58:43.079 --> 01:58:45.840 I saw the ass vampires, but I think I missed 2180 01:58:45.880 --> 01:58:47.600 some other some other ship. 2181 01:58:47.960 --> 01:58:50.720 I have like an ADHD brain, So like you're talking 2182 01:58:50.760 --> 01:58:52.960 and I'm listening, but then I'm also like reading at 2183 01:58:52.960 --> 01:58:53.640 the same time. 2184 01:58:54.039 --> 01:58:55.079 It's like I don't know. 2185 01:58:55.960 --> 01:59:00.319 Just hey, somebody said we ain't coming out Waco. Yeah dude, 2186 01:59:00.359 --> 01:59:01.760 they're there, yeah, right there. 2187 01:59:02.199 --> 01:59:06.520 So there there's a show on HBO. Oh that was Lisa. 2188 01:59:07.199 --> 01:59:12.640 I didn't read the name. Sorry to call them in Texas. Yeah, 2189 01:59:13.920 --> 01:59:17.279 there's a show on HBO. I want to watch it. 2190 01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:20.159 It's it's really good about Waco. 2191 01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:27.600 All right, awesome, Thank you so much, Julia. If you 2192 01:59:27.680 --> 01:59:29.479 think there's enough stuff to come back for a part three, 2193 01:59:29.479 --> 01:59:30.239 you can just let me know. 2194 01:59:30.359 --> 01:59:32.520 But I mean, I think a part a cool. 2195 01:59:32.600 --> 01:59:36.000 Part three might be just just diving into the canyon. 2196 01:59:36.119 --> 01:59:40.359 Actually just starting all over with a new like two parter. 2197 01:59:41.000 --> 01:59:42.800 Yeah, yeah, you know that don't work. Yeah, then you 2198 01:59:42.800 --> 01:59:45.840 can bring Kobe with you. Definitely, that's gonna be fun. 2199 01:59:45.960 --> 01:59:46.159 Nice. 2200 01:59:46.199 --> 01:59:47.880 I really look forward to that. But thank you so 2201 01:59:48.039 --> 01:59:50.560 much for tonight. And again, you know, it was a 2202 01:59:50.600 --> 01:59:52.800 great show. That was two hours of a lot of information. 2203 01:59:53.159 --> 01:59:55.199 We went over so many people really, if you think 2204 01:59:55.199 --> 01:59:57.720 about it, you know, even side tangents and stuff and 2205 01:59:57.960 --> 02:00:01.239 uh a Tunne laughs, Tunnle laughs. I highly suggest with 2206 02:00:01.279 --> 02:00:03.199 the people with the video of maybe you can check 2207 02:00:03.279 --> 02:00:04.800 it out after the fact and you'll see some of 2208 02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:08.119 the things I posted up. Yeah, I might take the 2209 02:00:08.199 --> 02:00:09.680 live down so you don't get to see the whole 2210 02:00:09.720 --> 02:00:12.159 live chat, but there's some gems I posted up, like 2211 02:00:12.399 --> 02:00:14.119 when I was able to breathe and I wasn't eleven, 2212 02:00:14.840 --> 02:00:17.279 but real quick, Julia, let everybody know where they can 2213 02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:20.399 find all your amazing work again, please thank you. 2214 02:00:20.680 --> 02:00:23.880 Yeah, so I have again the Cosmic Peach podcast. 2215 02:00:24.039 --> 02:00:27.079 Wherever you listen to podcasts, and if you want extra 2216 02:00:27.239 --> 02:00:31.399 stuff like the Just Jeff episode, you can go to 2217 02:00:32.279 --> 02:00:36.520 Patreon and look for Cosmic Peach Podcast. You'll get all 2218 02:00:36.560 --> 02:00:41.520 the episodes early, you'll get bonus extra stuff. And yeah, 2219 02:00:41.720 --> 02:00:44.479 so I'm always working on I think I mentioned this 2220 02:00:44.640 --> 02:00:47.640 in the last episode we did together. I'm always working 2221 02:00:47.720 --> 02:00:51.159 on many series covering different stuff. Right now, I'm working 2222 02:00:51.239 --> 02:00:53.920 on one on the nineties, the Dark Dark Stuff in 2223 02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:54.640 the nineties. 2224 02:00:55.159 --> 02:00:59.880 Yeah, David Lynch did die. Yeah, I bet you cry, 2225 02:01:00.079 --> 02:01:00.399 didn't she? 2226 02:01:00.840 --> 02:01:02.720 I was upset, though, I was very upset. 2227 02:01:03.800 --> 02:01:06.520 I think Colby was too, But don't get me to line. 2228 02:01:06.720 --> 02:01:10.399 He did tell me to tell you that. But yeah, so, 2229 02:01:10.840 --> 02:01:12.640 i got a new. 2230 02:01:12.760 --> 02:01:17.319 Mini series coming out on the nineties and I'm trying 2231 02:01:17.359 --> 02:01:20.920 to feature some clips if any of you guys would 2232 02:01:20.920 --> 02:01:22.000 be willing to send me one. 2233 02:01:22.079 --> 02:01:23.600 I'm still waiting on Nick. 2234 02:01:23.840 --> 02:01:26.359 But right I totally forgot. I'm so sorry. 2235 02:01:26.520 --> 02:01:31.479 Yeah, I'm just like Interesa to Lisa JJ Thrash, Mike, 2236 02:01:31.640 --> 02:01:33.239 all of you guys, if you want to send me 2237 02:01:33.359 --> 02:01:36.680 just a short audio clip of it. Doesn't even have 2238 02:01:36.800 --> 02:01:38.760 to be the dark stuff from the nineties, but like 2239 02:01:39.239 --> 02:01:42.079 the most memorable things to you from the nineties. And 2240 02:01:42.960 --> 02:01:46.279 I'm trying to feature little you know, podcast or friends 2241 02:01:46.359 --> 02:01:48.159 in there and just talking about so I grew up 2242 02:01:48.199 --> 02:01:52.439 in the nineties. I'm sentimental about it, so I'm trying 2243 02:01:52.479 --> 02:01:55.359 to make it enjoyable for even somebody who doesn't have 2244 02:01:55.600 --> 02:01:58.239 fond memory memories of the nineties, they'll still want to 2245 02:01:58.319 --> 02:02:01.680 listen to it. And yeah, that's that's what I got 2246 02:02:01.720 --> 02:02:02.479 going on right now. 2247 02:02:04.039 --> 02:02:04.720 Thank you so much. 2248 02:02:04.920 --> 02:02:06.880 That sounds awesome. I actually love the nineties. I do 2249 02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:10.760 a whole series comparing grunge rock to the weird scenes 2250 02:02:10.800 --> 02:02:11.520 inside the Canyon. 2251 02:02:11.840 --> 02:02:17.439 Yeah, yeah, Courtney Love and Kurt and yeah. 2252 02:02:17.399 --> 02:02:20.880 The whole scene. I mean, Alison Shaans, Pearl Jam Soundgarden, 2253 02:02:21.239 --> 02:02:21.560 r Em. 2254 02:02:21.960 --> 02:02:22.119 You know. 2255 02:02:22.680 --> 02:02:24.960 I am going to touch on that in this series. 2256 02:02:25.119 --> 02:02:28.119 So yeah, it's gonna be one of the last ones. 2257 02:02:28.479 --> 02:02:31.039 And I think I'm actually gonna have Colby come on 2258 02:02:31.119 --> 02:02:33.840 the last episode and talk about what you're talking about 2259 02:02:33.920 --> 02:02:36.920 right now with the grunge. It's it's Laurel Canyon two 2260 02:02:36.960 --> 02:02:37.399 point zero. 2261 02:02:38.079 --> 02:02:41.920 Oh absolutely, yeah. I mean I was a big, big 2262 02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:44.640 McGowan fan. I looked. I know, he mentioned one day 2263 02:02:44.680 --> 02:02:47.439 about how he thought there was comparisons, you know, in 2264 02:02:47.560 --> 02:02:50.359 like an interview between the Laurel and there Is there Is. 2265 02:02:50.640 --> 02:02:52.199 That was the scene I grew up like as a 2266 02:02:52.239 --> 02:02:52.760 big fan. 2267 02:02:52.720 --> 02:02:54.319 Of mm hmm. 2268 02:02:55.079 --> 02:02:55.279 Yeah. 2269 02:02:55.359 --> 02:02:55.840 I mean. 2270 02:02:57.880 --> 02:03:00.920 It's a rabbit hole for sure. It's a rabbit hole garage. 2271 02:03:04.560 --> 02:03:04.880 Definitely. 2272 02:03:05.119 --> 02:03:07.199 Thank you so much for having me Nick. This was 2273 02:03:07.239 --> 02:03:10.840 another killer episode. I'm working with you guys, it's always 2274 02:03:10.880 --> 02:03:11.640 super interesting. 2275 02:03:11.840 --> 02:03:13.319 Hell yeah, no, that was a lot of fun and 2276 02:03:13.399 --> 02:03:15.199 it was a really good show. I really appreciate you 2277 02:03:15.279 --> 02:03:18.680 bringing that to the Occult Rejects this week, and the 2278 02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:20.960 Live obviously loved it. You had a lot of fans 2279 02:03:21.000 --> 02:03:22.399 and that a lot of people saying they loved what 2280 02:03:22.479 --> 02:03:25.359 you were doing, so you know, it went over really good. 2281 02:03:25.520 --> 02:03:27.800 Thank you. You know, it seems like everybody enjoyed it, 2282 02:03:27.800 --> 02:03:28.720 and that's what I'm trying to do. 2283 02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:31.000 And thank you everybody in the chat for making my 2284 02:03:31.159 --> 02:03:33.600 night and keeping us constantly laughing. That was some great 2285 02:03:33.640 --> 02:03:35.600 stuff in there, and you know, some interesting things being 2286 02:03:35.720 --> 02:03:38.920 edited as well, and that is the end of another 2287 02:03:39.000 --> 02:03:43.000 occult rejects, and until the next one, everybody be well later. 2288 02:04:01.600 --> 02:04:13.159 Paget and baton, packet bon, packet, bat and