Speaker 1: From morecast connect in aj Benze fame. Uh, he'd liked
Speaker 1: to be walked on a leash and play really dirty,
Speaker 1: katy sex games. He's uh the guy put the cock
Speaker 1: in the peacock network. Okay, bitch, Hey, everybody aj Benzi
Speaker 1: here with fame? Is it? Bitch? This is your daily
Speaker 1: Unfiltered podcast for August sixth, twenty twenty six eight six
Speaker 1: two o two six. I like it all even numbers.
Speaker 1: That's good news because I have my dear, dear friend
Speaker 1: Alison Martino on the show today to talk to you
Speaker 1: guys and remind me about some of the crazy shit
Speaker 1: that went on for those years we made mysteries and scandals.
Speaker 1: Allison was by far my favorite producer, my favorite everything
Speaker 1: at Ase. She was just something. I just always loved Allison,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't believe I was meeting the daughter of
Speaker 1: this famous singer, al Martino who played Johnny Fontaine and
Speaker 1: the Godfather. It was just too much for me. He
Speaker 1: was systems overload. But she became a very integral part
Speaker 1: of that show's success. Her episodes were fantastic and Alison,
Speaker 1: before I looked to say Hi, tell me, did you
Speaker 1: are you going to talk to Michael Danny or supervising producer,
Speaker 1: and get all the tapes that he has so you
Speaker 1: can upload them.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we're gonna be We're gonna have a full library.
Speaker 2: A good tip again, yes.
Speaker 1: Because well I'll get to I'll get to what you
Speaker 1: did in a minute. But to begin this show, here's
Speaker 1: what Here's how I began in Mysteries and Scandals. I
Speaker 1: was at the Daily News, obviously gossip Calumnust, nearing the
Speaker 1: end of my reign. I kind of was getting sick
Speaker 1: of it. The girl I was dating knew everybody that
Speaker 1: I was writing about. It was causing a problem. And
Speaker 1: you know me five years in amount, I was there
Speaker 1: about five six, six and a half years, and I
Speaker 1: felt dirty. And at one point one day her and I,
Speaker 1: my ex girlfriend, had a drink. She wanted to take
Speaker 1: me to Hawaii for a modeling shoot. I was in
Speaker 1: a good mood and suddenly a cab driver didn't pick
Speaker 1: us up. A fistfight ensued, where I beat the shit
Speaker 1: out of the guy and went to jail, and Michael
Speaker 1: Danny called me, my producer who had already said I'm
Speaker 1: pitching this show for you to host about dead celebrities.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, and he goes a J I just
Speaker 1: heard the news you were arrested. I said, yeah, why,
Speaker 1: I said, I beat a CABBYA. Oh this is this
Speaker 1: is not going to be good for your job. I said, Michael,
Speaker 1: it's New York. We all beat Cabby's. What are you
Speaker 1: worried about? And then sure enough they had a big
Speaker 1: meeting at E but they said let's bring him in
Speaker 1: Michael's I flew out. They didn't fly me. I flowed
Speaker 1: on my own dime to make a thirty second sizzle
Speaker 1: reel for Jane Mansfield. We me and Michael went on
Speaker 1: the boulevard. He had some dry ice put at my feet.
Speaker 1: We stood at a star and I did like maybe
Speaker 1: two minutes of a statement about Jane Mansfield and that
Speaker 1: was it. And he took it to them and he
Speaker 1: sold it to them. Initially they didn't want me to
Speaker 1: host it. Then they all said, that's not a bad
Speaker 1: idea fish out of water, Let's give me a shot.
Speaker 1: I get to LA with a thirteen week commitment on
Speaker 1: the thirteenth floor with thirteen employees. Didn't think highly of us,
Speaker 1: but yet we started to make the.
Speaker 3: Show a hit. So Allie, when did you come on exactly.
Speaker 4: I came on, okay, so you came up to the
Speaker 4: thirteenth floor.
Speaker 2: What a floor to be working.
Speaker 4: On, right, So we were like the step children of
Speaker 4: E because I didn't really have much supervision. We really didn't,
Speaker 4: but we knew like that this was a crew of
Speaker 4: really smart young people who really loved TV. This is
Speaker 4: when he was huge. You know, you were on the
Speaker 4: Gossip Show, so I knew you from there, and talk
Speaker 4: Soup was was huge.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm working.
Speaker 4: In a building where Joan Rivers is in the is
Speaker 4: in you know, the elevator with me every time.
Speaker 2: It was such a fun It was such a fun
Speaker 2: place too.
Speaker 4: I started their answering phones and I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: stamped Joan Rivers a parking ticket for her. And it's
Speaker 4: funny because like she used to open for my dad
Speaker 4: back in the day and undis in Vegas and I
Speaker 4: told her it was I just remember her saying a
Speaker 4: funny line to me. She's like, and now you're working
Speaker 4: the front desk at this place. What did what did?
Speaker 4: What kind of kid were you that you got punished
Speaker 4: like this? I mean we would have this bantern. I
Speaker 4: just remember this one guy I got to know everyone
Speaker 4: because I was working the front.
Speaker 2: Desk, right, so you was downstairs. I was downstairs in
Speaker 2: the hub.
Speaker 4: So but the tours would open, Howard Starn whoever like
Speaker 4: was in town.
Speaker 2: I would see everyone.
Speaker 4: I greet everybody. It was the best job to have.
Speaker 4: And I guess no masters and that was the president
Speaker 4: of E then the good president, the one we all loved,
Speaker 4: and but you. Someone came up to me and said
Speaker 4: that Mysteries and Scandals was going to be a show.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, what's that? Because I wanted
Speaker 4: I was, you know, waiting to get out of the
Speaker 4: front desk. And Michael Danahy, who was the creator of
Speaker 4: the show like you just talked about, came up to
Speaker 4: me and said, this is the funniest story. He goes,
Speaker 4: I hear that you want to work on this show.
Speaker 4: What experience do you have as a producer?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: And I go, I have something that you don't have,
Speaker 4: and he goes, okay, come up and see me.
Speaker 2: I said, okay. I took my dad's phone book and
Speaker 2: I said, see this, this is every.
Speaker 4: Frickin' number you need for this show. Don't ever ever
Speaker 4: tell me that one of your bookers is going to
Speaker 4: book our show because you want Steve Allen hold on, here's.
Speaker 2: This number, you want, Johnny Tart, you want you know, I.
Speaker 1: Had had everyone and I f Bailey talking about I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean it was like we had These weren't just experts,
Speaker 1: these were the people either on the cases.
Speaker 4: I mean, hello, we interviewed the corner of Thomas Nbucci,
Speaker 4: you know, for Sharon Tate.
Speaker 2: He was the corner for Sharon Tate and Natalie.
Speaker 4: Wood and no, we we anyway.
Speaker 2: So that's how I got the job.
Speaker 4: I throw it by showing up with my dad's my
Speaker 4: dad's don't want to say NEPO baby. No, it was
Speaker 4: the phone book that did it.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: But we also worked our butts off on that show.
Speaker 4: And this is again before I knew, before I met you.
Speaker 4: You know, we had a research department that had to
Speaker 4: go to actual library to do research on all these
Speaker 4: old Hollywood show stars. They were you know a lot
Speaker 4: of these people that came on our show. We're still alive.
Speaker 2: They're not. They're pretty much all gone now, I know,
Speaker 2: I know. You know, so when you got it, what
Speaker 2: was your first show? My first show was Marilyn. What
Speaker 2: a show to start with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was probably that was like the first ten episodes.
Speaker 2: I believe at that was show six.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think like a lot of Turner was your pilot.
Speaker 3: That was first, right, right, but they shot that.
Speaker 2: Here's another thing. We shot a.
Speaker 4: Lot of the reenactments at my parents' house. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: anytime you needed a swimming.
Speaker 2: Pool, yeah, that they would. They would come to the house,
Speaker 2: like change whale.
Speaker 3: A lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The Chaine Mansfield shoot was at our house.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, we had a very short but we had
Speaker 4: a very small budget show.
Speaker 1: I know, I have what was the budget? I have
Speaker 1: no idea.
Speaker 2: Oh sixteen thousand dollars? Oh god, okay, and you think,
Speaker 2: oh no, it's nothing. There was some internal like here's
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 4: Everybody who worked on that show offered something like, you
Speaker 4: need an old nineteen fifty seven car, we'll find one,
Speaker 4: one of my friends will find it.
Speaker 2: You need a swimming pool, go to Allison's house. You
Speaker 2: need an old Hollywood apartment. We would go to this
Speaker 2: guy Roy's house. Like we were.
Speaker 4: We didn't have the kind of budget to get uh
Speaker 4: you know, when we would do the mysteries and scandals,
Speaker 4: host wraps with you. Yeah, most of them were shot
Speaker 4: on Hollywood Boulevard. And as you know, we were Johnny Graham,
Speaker 4: who used to be the like the honorary mayor of Hollywood,
Speaker 4: had a lot of pool and he used to like
Speaker 4: wave our very expensive permits as he thought in the nineties.
Speaker 2: This is the nineties, guys, right, Hollywood was dead.
Speaker 3: I mean it, it was awful.
Speaker 1: There was no Jimmy Kimmel Theater, there was no Hollywood
Speaker 1: and Highlands. It was just a dark, desolate I remember
Speaker 1: that hit got murdered during one of our episodes. They
Speaker 1: found her in a in a dumpster by pet boys.
Speaker 1: Yeah are you there for Yeah? And then I heard
Speaker 1: about it. She took pictures of me on the on
Speaker 1: the on the street. They found their camera. They came
Speaker 1: and questioned us. But we never filmed the guys. We
Speaker 1: just filmed their feet and their knees. The George didn't
Speaker 1: put the camera on them or us, but I think
Speaker 1: they caught them eventually. But yeah, it was a horrible
Speaker 1: place and crackheads having sex on park benches, helicopters, ghetto
Speaker 1: birds all the time, street washing, remember remember at.
Speaker 4: All because it was it was sort of it was like,
Speaker 4: I wasn't scared. I was only you know, I was
Speaker 4: a young twenty year old. I can do anything.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'd be scared now if I was
Speaker 2: that age.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But we were like going out.
Speaker 4: We would we would wrap it sometimes four in the morning,
Speaker 4: I know, because we would start sometimes late if if
Speaker 4: the sun wasn't down until eight o'clock, we couldn't start
Speaker 4: until nine. So we would have jib cameras, smoke machines,
Speaker 4: blue lights, tracks, you know, up and down Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Boulevard and by the way, by the way, proprietors and
Speaker 1: people lived on the boulevard on the second and third
Speaker 1: floor didn't like the noise, the smoke, the cameras, and
Speaker 1: they were a couple of times they poured hot water
Speaker 1: on us.
Speaker 3: They threw pots of hotone.
Speaker 2: Someone someone camed a gun at you.
Speaker 3: If you remember, I was there for some reason.
Speaker 4: Kept he kept calling you, hey, New York. You could say, hey,
Speaker 4: New York, move you move.
Speaker 2: Your fucking tracks out of here, you know, and you're like,
Speaker 2: I'm shooting a.
Speaker 1: Show, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no.
Speaker 4: We were in front of a club once called the
Speaker 4: Sugar Shack, in front of a sugar Shock, and they
Speaker 4: were they were saying that we were blocking the doorway
Speaker 4: from people going in. But what they didn't understand is
Speaker 4: we were attracting people.
Speaker 2: To watch our show and then to go for drink.
Speaker 4: So in a way, Johnny Grant was saying to me,
Speaker 4: our show out tourism in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Sure there would be many times.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe we were on like our hundredth episode and
Speaker 4: cars now are driving by and honking, going, yeah, my
Speaker 4: stretes and scandals that I know every weekend.
Speaker 3: Girls to flash me.
Speaker 1: Girls would flash me with their tits out sometimes driving by.
Speaker 1: Remember when Titanic, when Titanic was that man's theater, we
Speaker 1: started to get a crowd. Back then, it was. It
Speaker 1: was a complete opposite of how we began. And I
Speaker 1: remember I didn't want to work at four o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, and I remember, I'm gonna take all the
Speaker 1: equipment down, get in the truck. We're going to a
Speaker 1: second location. I went, no, here's what you do. Turn
Speaker 1: the fucking camera to the right ten feet, there's another
Speaker 1: palm tree, another building. Why are we leaving? Just fucking
Speaker 1: shoot here? And they started to listen to me.
Speaker 2: But I remember that I.
Speaker 4: Was with you on that because they they didn't want
Speaker 4: to show the scientology buildings.
Speaker 3: Either, or yeah, those crazy just push.
Speaker 2: The camera a little bit this way. But yeah, they
Speaker 2: didn't chat.
Speaker 4: They don't like the movie titles I guess, you know,
Speaker 4: showing on our shows because of the then they would
Speaker 4: look like a rerun.
Speaker 2: At this point, who cares.
Speaker 1: Well rerun the shows then, pricks.
Speaker 4: Well's another problem we have is we need those shows
Speaker 4: back on the internet.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: Fortunately a few years ago, whenever they decide, when the
Speaker 4: Oxygen Channel decided to rebrand Mysteries and Scandals sold Little Brian,
Speaker 4: which was ridiculous show, not the right host.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and.
Speaker 4: You can't redo that show, not without aj not without
Speaker 4: this team.
Speaker 2: They pulled down the original shows.
Speaker 4: I had uploaded every single Mysteries and Scandals took me
Speaker 4: a year to.
Speaker 2: Do uploaded it.
Speaker 4: I don't monetize it. I'm not making money on it.
Speaker 4: It was just a way for people to watch them.
Speaker 4: They're educational and NBC got a hold of it. My
Speaker 4: channel because of Betsy Rott and she they sabotaged my
Speaker 4: channel and took everything down.
Speaker 1: But you're Alison listen, Alice has got one of the
Speaker 1: greatest pages on Facebook called Vintage Los Angeles, which she's
Speaker 1: basically the curator of Old LA, Old Beverly Hills, old Everything, buildings, architecture, roads, people, restaurants.
Speaker 1: Her page is fantastic. Get on on Facebook Vintage Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: But you know you, I mean that alone, that that
Speaker 1: show had to make you begin I know. I remember
Speaker 1: you would have pictures and all these headshots of old stars,
Speaker 1: and I'd see them up in your cubicle. And then
Speaker 1: when I went to your place when you live with
Speaker 1: Mom and Dad of the guest that beautiful guest house
Speaker 1: by the pool had so many old Hollywood things on it.
Speaker 3: I couldn't I was in my glory, but I remember
Speaker 3: you would.
Speaker 1: You were like taking stuff from me, like because you
Speaker 1: loved old movie stars, and so do I.
Speaker 4: I was kind of perfect for that show because the
Speaker 4: other show that was on at the time was True
Speaker 4: Hollywood Stories h and we were like the sister of
Speaker 4: that show. But I preferred our show because I loved
Speaker 4: old Hollywood. And we started with you know, the greatest
Speaker 4: names in the old old Hollywood, and then we kind
Speaker 4: of went into the seventies when we got to do
Speaker 4: sal MINEO and Paul Lynne, and you know, I never
Speaker 4: thought the show should end. I think it could have
Speaker 4: gone another four years.
Speaker 2: It ended.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'll tell you why it ended ended
Speaker 1: because when they gave me my talk show, which we'd
Speaker 1: worked on for three years. I was in New York
Speaker 1: when I did the first pilot and I went to
Speaker 1: La john Riber was good to me. He worked with
Speaker 1: me for three years. I said, I want to do
Speaker 1: a talk show and I got one. Mindy Herman, the
Speaker 1: fucking who came in to be the boss, hated talk show.
Speaker 1: She worked on Magic Johnson's show, so she didn't like
Speaker 1: talk shows. She came in like, oh, I love the idea,
Speaker 1: and she cut the budget in half. And I had
Speaker 1: people telling me, your budgets in half, but show it
Speaker 1: are at one o'clock in the morning, twelve thirty in
Speaker 1: the morning.
Speaker 3: It was like you couldn't find it anyhow.
Speaker 1: Once they canceled my show, I had a meeting with
Speaker 1: all my people at Mysteries and Scandals, and I told
Speaker 1: all of you, you're all going to take the bullet
Speaker 1: because they canceled my talk show and next they're going
Speaker 1: to cancel you were like, no, not, I go you're
Speaker 1: I said, only Bessie's gonna stay because she's the girl dating.
Speaker 1: All of you are going to get fired because they
Speaker 1: rattled the tiger cage. And I'm fucking pissed off. And
Speaker 1: sure enough, tell what happened, a fake fire drill, let
Speaker 1: them know what.
Speaker 2: First of all, I was with you in New York
Speaker 2: when you got the call that the talk show got canceled.
Speaker 1: Right, we were together at the hotel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ribby of hearing every conversation you had with John
Speaker 4: and everyone else.
Speaker 2: So that was a low blow because we were shoot.
Speaker 2: We were supposed to shoot that night. I know, wet
Speaker 2: your whole family in town.
Speaker 1: We were headed there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at this point, the shows were already paid for,
Speaker 2: the catering was done.
Speaker 4: You know, just go ahead and let us film the
Speaker 4: shows at least here the last two.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So that was very dirty, and you handled it really well,
Speaker 4: I thought, But you know.
Speaker 1: You know, you tell you know you're telling me, which
Speaker 1: is true. I didn't realize this when I made those
Speaker 1: phone calls. It was you and I together in the hotel,
Speaker 1: and I said, get your camera, get your film, get
Speaker 1: your video camera. I want you to record all this
Speaker 1: ship And I went off on everybody. I called my family,
Speaker 1: and you recorded all of it. We don't know who's
Speaker 1: got the tape now. We both watched it together, but
Speaker 1: either I have it and I can't, and I know.
Speaker 2: You'll find it. That's why I don't like never letting people.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you.
Speaker 3: All Right, here's the thing.
Speaker 4: You were doing reality We were doing reality TV before
Speaker 4: reality TV. I think we were replaced with the Naicole
Speaker 4: Smith Show. I think that's what replaced. But I'll tell
Speaker 4: you two things.
Speaker 2: It was. Remember the show Cribs on TV.
Speaker 4: Where was a guy who was working on Cribs and
Speaker 4: he went to go do a segment on the Osports
Speaker 4: And he came back to the h one and said,
Speaker 4: I just didn't just film the Greatest Family for reality TV.
Speaker 2: They need their own show. Okay, So this poor guy talked.
Speaker 4: About getting burned. They didn't even hire him to produce it.
Speaker 4: He just gave them the They hired a new team.
Speaker 4: That show was the biggest show for you know, VH one.
Speaker 4: Now every reality every TV station wants their own reality show.
Speaker 4: I had a feeling that when we got let go,
Speaker 4: it wasn't just about letting you go.
Speaker 2: I think that they wanted to change into go into
Speaker 2: reality TV.
Speaker 4: Interesting, so like some of those like you know, MSNBC
Speaker 4: had like headliners and legends, v Chworm had the one
Speaker 4: with the music stars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, behind the music. They all got scrapped were reality TV.
Speaker 1: You're right, because they ran from Anama Cole Smith to
Speaker 1: the Kardashians and that was their big big we were.
Speaker 2: When we were on, we were more about like biography television,
Speaker 2: you know that that kind of thing changed. So but
Speaker 2: here's the thing.
Speaker 4: When MTV had their shake up back from two that
Speaker 4: when when did this happened? Two thousand and one before.
Speaker 2: Nine to eleven, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 4: They had they had a shake up at MTV. They
Speaker 4: were a bunch of people were let go, like six
Speaker 4: hundred people. They were given a party, they were given
Speaker 4: beautiful way to say goodbye to everybody. They had two
Speaker 4: weeks to get terminated and they knew it.
Speaker 2: Well, this is.
Speaker 4: What happened to So I'm driving to on a Thursday
Speaker 4: morning at eight am, and I'm coming through the doors
Speaker 4: and you know, you have to have a key card
Speaker 4: to get through the door going to my office and
Speaker 4: had the office at the time, and about one o'clock.
Speaker 2: In the afternoon. Somebody came up to my office and said,
Speaker 2: did you hear Howard's Stern? Sorry, my cat just right right,
Speaker 2: I really need We're gonna repeat this. Okay.
Speaker 4: Someone comes into my office and says, were you listening
Speaker 4: to Howard Stern this morning? A lot of us did
Speaker 4: because he was on our channel, so we just used
Speaker 4: to listen to them.
Speaker 2: In the morning and get our news. Okay, what no,
Speaker 2: what did he say?
Speaker 4: He said, Wow, So apparently there's gonna be a big
Speaker 4: shake up at E tomorrow.
Speaker 2: This he knew ahead of time. Oh wow, he let
Speaker 2: the cat out of the back.
Speaker 4: He told you know on his show that there was
Speaker 4: going to be a shake up at E and then
Speaker 4: a lot of people were gonna get fired, and a
Speaker 4: lot of shows were going to come off the air.
Speaker 2: Now I'm sitting here with Michael Danahy, the creator of
Speaker 2: The Pews and Scandals, and we're like, well, it won't
Speaker 2: be us. It won't be yeah.
Speaker 4: Of course, we're in the middle of doing a five episodes, right,
Speaker 4: We're like the one of the highest rated shows on
Speaker 4: the network. It won't be us. Well, about two o'clock,
Speaker 4: the fire drill starts. Going off very rarely that happens.
Speaker 4: Every single person went down to the courtyard and we waited.
Speaker 2: I didn't see.
Speaker 4: Any fire trucks come or anything like that, but we
Speaker 4: were down there a long time, and then we were
Speaker 4: able to go back up. Okay, Danny Schwartz, myself, Michael Danahey,
Speaker 4: those are producers of the show. Our key cards are
Speaker 4: not working now to go back up.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: What happened was Mindy Herman and her people. You know,
Speaker 4: this is kind of a known fact. You know, somebody
Speaker 4: staged a fake fire drill to go around our desks
Speaker 4: and take whatever we were working on, shut our computers down,
Speaker 4: and shut our phones down, and kicked us out of
Speaker 4: the building.
Speaker 2: And that's how we found out.
Speaker 4: Well, it was traumatizing because now not only are we
Speaker 4: being fired like this without even being able to say goodbye,
Speaker 4: we're being forced out by security.
Speaker 2: We can't even take our belongings with us.
Speaker 4: So if I had those celebrity pictures you say on
Speaker 4: my on my wall.
Speaker 2: I couldn't take them. I couldn't take them because I
Speaker 2: were saying they were property.
Speaker 4: Of the I couldn't take my lamp that I had
Speaker 4: a really cool little vintage lamp. Whatever story being is,
Speaker 4: what about all the contacts that we had built over
Speaker 4: the years that.
Speaker 2: Are in our computers. Find another job.
Speaker 4: I have that email address for what seven years at
Speaker 4: ET like that, So that was a that was not
Speaker 4: a way to that was that was punishment for a
Speaker 4: job that we gave a beautiful show for five years.
Speaker 2: And I just always resented that.
Speaker 4: And you know, the word got around from all the
Speaker 4: different like CBS. I remember they got an email from
Speaker 4: someone saying, wow, did you do what happened? In the
Speaker 4: employees of EA?
Speaker 2: Like? It got around and then.
Speaker 4: There was a story that came out in the La
Speaker 4: Times about it. So I'm not saying anything that nobody knows, right, Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: there wasn't ex about Mindy her men at the time
Speaker 4: because she had taken I think some money from some.
Speaker 2: Of the budgets, oh wow, or to bait to to
Speaker 2: pay for her her house.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she got a twenty million dollar parachute when
Speaker 1: she left, by the way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she got twenty million dollars when she left.
Speaker 4: Let's just say she was the absolute wrong person.
Speaker 1: You know, real quick, what's that thing called at the
Speaker 1: hotel in Pasadena?
Speaker 3: Like the upfront was it upfronts or something?
Speaker 1: But I was there with Mindy to do to announce
Speaker 1: the no season of the show or maybe my talk show.
Speaker 1: I forget, but she comes in. You know, she's typical
Speaker 1: with the fucking suit with sneakers, and she smelling a
Speaker 1: cigarette and a.
Speaker 3: Beautiful hotel and then she's dumble a cigarette.
Speaker 1: She throws it in the floyer of this beautiful marble
Speaker 1: floor hallways on it and he was talking like she's
Speaker 1: in the street. That's what I said, this is this
Speaker 1: is a fucking pig.
Speaker 4: It was really hard because we had Lee Masters was
Speaker 4: such a great president and he I think he even
Speaker 4: help the MTV.
Speaker 2: That's when our channel was in really great shape, by
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 3: And Frana was great.
Speaker 2: I like France, Yeah, fran Shay, Marta, Tracy. They really
Speaker 2: loved our show. They nurtured, loved you.
Speaker 4: Our show was such a like this sort of I
Speaker 4: guess unexpected hit because when we got spoofed on Saturday
Speaker 4: Night Live, I think that's when we knew we had
Speaker 4: something big.
Speaker 1: They had me on with the.
Speaker 2: Machine. I mean, that's like that's what I like. We
Speaker 2: hit pop culture status, like right.
Speaker 1: Like they hits the thing. They put me on Sopranos,
Speaker 1: they put me on Family Guy, they put me on SNL.
Speaker 1: That's the pinnacle, Like, that's the zepegeist of American television culture.
Speaker 1: If you if you make it on that even for
Speaker 1: a minute or two, they're acknowledging you're part of the
Speaker 1: whole system of TV that people watch and we like.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, when I used to go to Igo
Speaker 1: and my listeners know what I go is They've heard
Speaker 1: a million times. Milton Burrow was there one night, and
Speaker 1: I've heard from movie stars. And Sharon Stone watched the show.
Speaker 1: She loved the show on a treadmill. But Milton Burrell
Speaker 1: grabbed me one night and he said, your show is
Speaker 1: my favorite show on television. And when mister television tells
Speaker 1: you that, you go wow. He goes, you know, I
Speaker 1: like it. I see all my best friends again. That's
Speaker 1: fucking hotbreak And and Elizabeth Taylor told somebody whom Michael
Speaker 1: Danny he was close to the same sort of thing.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite show because I see all my old
Speaker 1: friends and lovers and it brings me back. And I'm
Speaker 1: very much the sentimental guy obviously, so I that means
Speaker 1: the world to me. That people the big I mean,
Speaker 1: how about how about how about Jack Lemon pitching a
Speaker 1: show for us?
Speaker 3: I don't know that Hollywood.
Speaker 2: The Hollywood Ten, I believe was the.
Speaker 4: You know with the oh, the yeah, the ten that
Speaker 4: was kind of an off beat show we did.
Speaker 2: I believe. He called Michael Banahey and said, I have
Speaker 2: a great show idea for you.
Speaker 3: You should that's the communism show the House on.
Speaker 4: And Jack is in that show. I mean, Jesus, we
Speaker 4: interviewed Jack Lemon.
Speaker 2: Oscar.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Michael was like, I think that's his favorite actor of
Speaker 2: all time.
Speaker 3: Michael was, you know, Michael would do to me though.
Speaker 1: You know, Michael would do to me every because we
Speaker 1: shared an office and I'd come in every couple of days,
Speaker 1: you know, and ship open mail and do ship like that.
Speaker 1: Get my paycheck. Michael would always open my paycheck monu
Speaker 1: and I saw that there my salary was ship. It
Speaker 1: was not even a third of what I was getting
Speaker 1: at the news. But I said, new life, new start.
Speaker 1: And I lived in a little you know, Malon Moro's
Speaker 1: old apartment on Hampton full of Hampton Street in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I think, uh no, it's not even It was seventh Hampton.
Speaker 1: It's off. It's not right by Jones, it's down the
Speaker 1: street from Jones.
Speaker 2: We were there, okay, yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: My first place, Malon Moro's compartment number nine, Charlie Chaplin,
Speaker 1: the whole building. So Michael would open my paycheck and
Speaker 1: look what I was making toward the end of the
Speaker 1: show was considerably more. He would go, I can't believe
Speaker 1: you're making this money. I go, well, I'd do a
Speaker 1: good fucking job the show. We just got the biggest
Speaker 1: ratings of any show on ey Al Falfel was over
Speaker 1: a million. No one else did that, I know, but ah,
Speaker 1: hope he's saving it, said, I ain't saving shit.
Speaker 3: I'm having a ball Michael. He couldn't take it.
Speaker 1: And then he goes to me, you know, he pulls
Speaker 1: out this headshot from his shrawer, this good looking guy,
Speaker 1: remember I think his name was Nick Denton or something
Speaker 1: like that, and he goes, you know, if you fuck up,
Speaker 1: because I was getting rowdy on the set and breaking phones,
Speaker 1: you can tell him those stories. He would show me
Speaker 1: the headshot this guy that almost got the job. I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: this guy's not getting my job. Michael.
Speaker 3: He just was busting my bulls. But tell him I
Speaker 3: love look continue.
Speaker 1: You were saying, but I love the fact that when
Speaker 1: you saw me on set some of the crazy things
Speaker 1: that happened that I forget and thankfully you remember.
Speaker 2: Well, all right, so like, okay, one more thing. I
Speaker 2: also want to tell you.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you know this, but when we were
Speaker 4: doing Mysteries and Scandals, there was a series on ABC.
Speaker 4: I think it was the Life of the Cassidy Brothers.
Speaker 4: So it was a movie of the Week, remember.
Speaker 2: Those, So they were making a movie of the Week.
Speaker 4: And we had just done the Jack Cassidy Mysteries and Scandals,
Speaker 4: which was one of my favorite shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got all.
Speaker 4: I like, pick up the phone at my desk and
Speaker 4: it's Malcolm mcdell. Oh, he says, hello, it's Mike, It's
Speaker 4: Salas and Martinez, the producer of the Jack Cassidy Show,
Speaker 4: said yes.
Speaker 2: Wait, welcome it down. I'm like, oh, hi, he does.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be I'm going to be playing Jack
Speaker 4: Cassidy in the new He couldn't find anything about Jack
Speaker 4: Cassidy to do his research except our show. Nothing written
Speaker 4: about Jack. There was no biography about Jack, so he says,
Speaker 4: may I come by and pick up a copy of
Speaker 4: that show. So I'm by running down the art making
Speaker 4: a copy, and you know, hoping that.
Speaker 2: She would talk to the lobby, but of course he
Speaker 2: sent in the system.
Speaker 4: But then I'm watching the show and there were actual
Speaker 4: direct lines because we used to One of the things
Speaker 4: about Mysteries and Scandals is if somebody said something I
Speaker 4: guess now they call it a meme, but if.
Speaker 2: Someone had said, you know, he died in his own
Speaker 2: blood or something, you know, we would have like reenactment
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 4: You would have the corner saying he died in his
Speaker 4: own blood and were.
Speaker 2: Out the pie.
Speaker 5: Right, So there were those moments in the in the
Speaker 5: series that that that you know that Malcolm must have
Speaker 5: told the director, let's take some direct lines from this
Speaker 5: Mysteries and Scandal shop.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I know that if there was like a.
Speaker 4: Moment in the Mysteries and where we talked about how
Speaker 4: Jack passid he thought he was Jesus and would back
Speaker 4: himself into a corner and pretend.
Speaker 2: He was God, and then they put that scene in
Speaker 2: the mood in the show.
Speaker 3: Oh he's the one of the one naked.
Speaker 2: Yes, we had like.
Speaker 4: And I love what you've been doing lately by showing
Speaker 4: all the shows we did as like the little because anyway,
Speaker 4: we did so many shows, and the more I talk
Speaker 4: to you about it, you know, memories come back. But
Speaker 4: the one thing I'll say, we were a good team
Speaker 4: because first of all, I'm Italian like you, and we
Speaker 4: don't like we don't like rats, right, we don't like
Speaker 4: we don't.
Speaker 2: Like tattle tales.
Speaker 4: Like if you and I went out and shot our show,
Speaker 4: we never had a problem.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was going to rest. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: you punched a wall too many times. I did because.
Speaker 4: You were you always funny when you when you would
Speaker 4: memorize most of the time, you memorized your host raps.
Speaker 2: And we did have a monitor, right, I had a.
Speaker 1: I paid for the prompt of the first five episode
Speaker 1: myself because every time I would get like four sentences
Speaker 1: into a monologue and the car would honk do it over,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't fucking keep what is a
Speaker 1: teleprompter costs?
Speaker 3: Come on?
Speaker 1: After twenty shows, I think we got tony now.
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I'm a host on my own show
Speaker 4: too now and I don't have a teleprompter.
Speaker 3: So it's not it's not easy without a prom No.
Speaker 2: It's not easy.
Speaker 4: And you know what, you're going to get a better
Speaker 4: take if you have, of course, then you can back
Speaker 4: up and do the last three lines rather than the
Speaker 4: last ten lines, and you're you know. So anyway, one
Speaker 4: time before Kate So, Danny Schwartz was my producer.
Speaker 2: People, the most talented producer, and I learned very creative.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was created.
Speaker 4: He took our show to another level and I was
Speaker 4: his a p associate producer. But then I did become producer,
Speaker 4: thank god. And Michael because he kept the shows I wanted.
Speaker 4: I wanted Mario Lanza, and I wanted to I wanted
Speaker 4: to do the Beverly Hill's Babylon. He kept some shows
Speaker 4: for me because by the time I got to be
Speaker 4: a producer, we were like a show one hundred, right,
Speaker 4: But I had been on since show four or eight
Speaker 4: or something like that.
Speaker 3: So I'd already found you paid your dues.
Speaker 4: I'm a surprised he didn't promote me earlier anyway, probably
Speaker 4: because he wanted to keep me with Danny, because a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people couldn't work with Danny. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you got into it with Danny, because, oh
Speaker 4: my god, when you slapped the headset right off of his.
Speaker 1: You know I did that because the night because we
Speaker 1: we we went late at uh A Jrudy Golland shoot
Speaker 1: on the boulevard. He must have taken eight k from
Speaker 1: my feet on her fucking name. And it's four o'clock.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Danny, we got the shot, and he was
Speaker 1: rubbing his temple like he always does when he doesn't
Speaker 1: take his medicine.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Danny, you need your fucking pill.
Speaker 1: We're done.
Speaker 3: So I gave him some ship. I said, I'm done.
Speaker 1: I walked off. The next day he told Michael A
Speaker 1: J left his set and Michael, what happened last time?
Speaker 1: I said, well, who the fuck? Who wild open them up? Well,
Speaker 1: Danny said, Danny said that then I went down the
Speaker 1: hall and smacked the head set off.
Speaker 4: Yes, I saw you coming down the hallway, and I
Speaker 4: knew exactly what we knew.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't give him a warning. You were
Speaker 2: you were walking.
Speaker 4: But you know what, in a way, you know that
Speaker 4: doesn't help a production, you know when you tell it
Speaker 4: just doesn't. So I think that actually when you did that,
Speaker 4: Michael promoted me. I think two weeks later, so and
Speaker 4: then and then I remember you said, uh, because when
Speaker 4: I did the host traps with.
Speaker 2: You, I used to get us out early. I would
Speaker 2: get us out one, you know, and sometimes we go
Speaker 2: have less calls. We don't.
Speaker 1: We can go drink and have a good time.
Speaker 2: No, that's the fun too, right. Of course, we enjoyed
Speaker 2: what we did.
Speaker 4: We worked hard, and so you know, at the end
Speaker 4: of the night, we're like, okay, we'll goring into this
Speaker 4: place for quick drink whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then there was.
Speaker 4: Some squares on the set sign that wouldn't do that,
Speaker 4: that were you're gonna go drink at two in the
Speaker 4: morning that we were Listen, we were producing mysteries and
Speaker 4: scandals we're having because remember when you would bring the
Speaker 4: big Lebowski, you guys would have the white Russian.
Speaker 3: We bought right Russians. We drank white Russians on the set.
Speaker 2: Yeah, believable fun, you know.
Speaker 4: But our shows were flawless and you were remolished. Sorry,
Speaker 4: nobody delivered the host traps like you.
Speaker 3: Nobody Because I'm love you for saying that, but you
Speaker 3: know it's I had the easiest job. I have to
Speaker 3: sell the show.
Speaker 1: You guys have to put it together, and you know
Speaker 1: some of the things I did, But you're not hard.
Speaker 1: But if you're not, if if you're scared of the camera,
Speaker 1: then you can't do it. But I'm not scared of
Speaker 1: the camera. So I would memorize the first ten or
Speaker 1: twelve words of a read, and when and I heard action,
Speaker 1: I would just look at the floor, look at the building,
Speaker 1: but I would say the words because they're in my head.
Speaker 1: Then I'd look at the prompter to finish up, and
Speaker 1: Tony knew how to turn it just right.
Speaker 3: So I'd be there so it looked like is he memorizing?
Speaker 3: He's's talking.
Speaker 1: And then Tony, after a while, when we started to
Speaker 1: get really good at it, and George and Harold and
Speaker 1: the camera guys, I used to bring Scotch to them
Speaker 1: Crown Royal and I'd be like, yeah, it's in my
Speaker 1: connerback seat and George was like, oh shit, you in
Speaker 1: the back of the bus now, my nigga. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: get you, get you get some drinks. Day was so
Speaker 1: cool and loosened up. But Tony would start to write.
Speaker 1: He would start to at the end of the prompt
Speaker 1: and one of my reads, he'd write instead of on
Speaker 1: aj Benzy, he'd write, I'm daffy duck drum me the
Speaker 1: next time. And I would just say it because I'm
Speaker 1: so tuned into.
Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck, what happened?
Speaker 1: Nothing?
Speaker 3: Nothing to do it again? And Tony be laughing.
Speaker 1: We had a great time and cemeteries at night all
Speaker 1: the all the black guys could not take cemeteries. When
Speaker 1: the lights went out, the generator fell out, and you
Speaker 1: turn around, every black guys run out of the cemetery.
Speaker 3: Just white guys are left going, what's up?
Speaker 1: Were are they?
Speaker 3: They were petrified? You know, it was such a great time.
Speaker 4: That's another thing too, like you're just hit on so
Speaker 4: many faces. But no, I mean, no, no, no, Now
Speaker 4: I'm going to go back to the cemeteries because that
Speaker 4: was another thing. You can't get a permit today and
Speaker 4: shooting a cemetery with a smoke machine.
Speaker 2: And talking about the dead like this. Right, So we're gone,
Speaker 2: I know because.
Speaker 4: Now, I mean I even think Westwood Memorial you have
Speaker 4: to have somebody bury there to go visit.
Speaker 2: I mean, they have strict rules now the cemeteries.
Speaker 4: You know, people are influencers today, are bringing in their
Speaker 4: cell phone cameras and trying to do what we did.
Speaker 4: And you know, you know why it can't be redone.
Speaker 4: I mean, so many people want to redo mysteries and scandals. Okay, fine,
Speaker 4: you can do scandals from the last fifteen years, but
Speaker 4: you can't do them the way we did them because
Speaker 4: we were hearing the stories from the horses mouth. Those
Speaker 4: people have passed away. So you're not going to get
Speaker 4: a Dennis Hopper today. You're not going to get a
Speaker 4: Jack Lennon, and you're not going to get the you know,
Speaker 4: it's amazing that the corner is still alive. That you know,
Speaker 4: we knew like Thomas Nogucci like seven times, he loved scandal.
Speaker 2: He loved talking about scandals. But we were the first
Speaker 2: of our kind.
Speaker 4: I think before us was a show called Hollywood Babylon
Speaker 4: with Tony Curtis, and.
Speaker 3: He was one forgot that I forgot that.
Speaker 2: Was a great show and we were kind of similar
Speaker 2: to that show.
Speaker 1: Wait, maybe that's why Tony Curtis, you know, because I
Speaker 1: meet him at the Mansion and one of my greatest
Speaker 1: nights at the Mansion was not what a pretty girl.
Speaker 1: It was hearing I'm talking to some girls and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, they hit behind me, Hello ladies, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I saw, I got chills just now. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's fucking Tony Curtis. And I turned around. There he
Speaker 1: is with the two page the robe.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he watched your show because he was, you know,
Speaker 4: as ours. It was like a Channel nine or something,
Speaker 4: and I remember that five maybe three years.
Speaker 1: But he was a he was a fan, I guess
Speaker 1: of the show.
Speaker 4: But many fans, like you know, it came to a
Speaker 4: point where if I called someone and asked him to
Speaker 4: do the show, they'd say, it's.
Speaker 2: My favorite show.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean it was part of a book because our
Speaker 4: title was Mysteries and Scandals. So that's like very TMZ.
Speaker 4: I guess in today's world, like, oh, you're gonna you
Speaker 4: want me to be on a show that's all scandalous.
Speaker 4: I'm like, we're telling the story that has been published
Speaker 4: one hundred times about Marilyn Monroe, but we're gonna spin
Speaker 4: it a little bit, so duty would be like.
Speaker 2: I think the housekeeper did it right. So how do we.
Speaker 4: Make our ours? How do we make our Marilyn and
Speaker 4: Roe show different? And the other story you've heard before
Speaker 4: gets so involved with these people you're interviewing.
Speaker 2: You know, that wasn't so like I remember I interviewed.
Speaker 2: Got it from one of my dad's books.
Speaker 4: Okay, was the wife of Maryland's doctor, and she what
Speaker 4: a great interview she was, Narene Siegel was her name.
Speaker 2: I even remember their her name. She had me come
Speaker 2: to the house and she says, well, I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you something.
Speaker 4: I will tell you right now that my my my
Speaker 4: husband prescribed Marylyn her pills that night. And why were
Speaker 4: the bottle caps still on the pills, which I never
Speaker 4: thought that before.
Speaker 2: And so when you see the photos of the pills,
Speaker 2: what did they put the bottle but the caps back on?
Speaker 2: Put them like that, you know?
Speaker 4: You know. Anyway, she said something about the housekeeper knew
Speaker 4: what was going on.
Speaker 2: She was doing laundry at three in the morning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's off, that's right, that's a off. That's very off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and named her daughter Marylyn and moved to like Europe,
Speaker 4: to be never heard from again. These are the things
Speaker 4: we learned as we were interviewing, Like today, where are
Speaker 4: people going to get these stories?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Do you? You can't just call Marilyn Rose doctors, you know,
Speaker 4: So these are the people that died with the stories.
Speaker 4: And I feel like that's why our show needs to
Speaker 4: be back on the air for educational reasons, because we
Speaker 4: weren't gossiped. We were getting the stories directly from the
Speaker 4: people we were interviewing.
Speaker 2: It just happens scandals.
Speaker 1: And the thing about the thing about scandals is, you know,
Speaker 1: like I do this thing like you mentioned on Instagra,
Speaker 1: why I put up some old movie stars or even
Speaker 1: new movie stars who were dead or killed, murdered, eyed,
Speaker 1: odes and I mentioned really quickly and in the paragraph
Speaker 1: what happened to them? And a lot of times we
Speaker 1: had episodes where it could like George Reeves did he
Speaker 1: do did he shoot himself? Did Leonora Lemon shoot him?
Speaker 3: Was he shot?
Speaker 1: Because she and there's so many different angles you have
Speaker 1: to well pick one, not.
Speaker 4: This is this is one that needs to come. We
Speaker 4: need to discuss this one. Okay, Salon Salmonia.
Speaker 2: Oh that's this is major.
Speaker 4: Okay, So this is like the one I really would
Speaker 4: People asked me, what was your show like, Well, give
Speaker 4: you an example. Our boss, Michael Danahy still call him
Speaker 4: boss man him. He was obsessed with Salomoni, obsessed withal
Speaker 4: and he said, I'm going to produce that one. Even
Speaker 4: though there were teams of four eight of us. Michael
Speaker 4: wanted to keep Salmonio and he let me produce.
Speaker 2: It with him, which was so nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's been writing The Alleged Killer in Prison.
Speaker 4: Oh really, this was around nineteen ninety seven. He ate,
Speaker 4: and he tells Michael that he's getting out of prison soon.
Speaker 4: He served thirty twenty and seventies eighties thirty years right, okay, wow.
Speaker 2: So Michael says, what's the date that you're getting out jail?
Speaker 4: I think this is right, and if I'm wrong, you
Speaker 4: can have Michael on next But this is what I remember.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: He says, I get out on this date. And Michael says,
Speaker 4: you want to clear your name? Comes straight to our office.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So he came to our office and we interviewed him.
Speaker 2: Now we're interviewing.
Speaker 4: Now, we're interviewing people who did time for killing someone.
Speaker 2: Or maybe they didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't he didn't do it.
Speaker 4: No, he didn't do it, but we know that. But
Speaker 4: the thing is, when he comes to your office and
Speaker 4: he tells you he didn't do it, you better do
Speaker 4: him right, don't do him dirty. Right, So don't say
Speaker 4: at the end of the show, well we think he
Speaker 4: still did it.
Speaker 2: You know, we're like no. So we're watching this pallbear
Speaker 2: footage I know, you know, of sal going in to
Speaker 2: the wherever he's going into. Yeah, so he's going in
Speaker 2: there holding him.
Speaker 4: Now, we had a copy of the illustration that you
Speaker 4: know bystanders had seen a guy leave the scene after
Speaker 4: he was Salmonio was stabbed right across the street from Wrenliffe.
Speaker 2: And like you said, a crime of passion white.
Speaker 1: The sketch was a white guy.
Speaker 2: The sketch was a white guy, looked like all his blonder,
Speaker 2: reddish hair. Yes, a sketch. Now the rest a black guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're across town. I sixteen minutes after the murder. He
Speaker 2: couldn't even have gotten there in fifteen minutes.
Speaker 4: Now, he had told people in prison he had did it,
Speaker 4: because when you're in prison, I guess you'd tell tales, right,
Speaker 4: you got to win the guys over at breakfast.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly.
Speaker 4: So he said he had done it, but he didn't.
Speaker 4: He didn't do it, And he wrote a book which
Speaker 4: we should read. I just found out he wrote a
Speaker 4: book and it's tod I didn't do it or something
Speaker 4: like this. But we are now interviewing people like this,
Speaker 4: and that's what that's that's date line.
Speaker 2: That's like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Beyond just a little show about Hollywood. You know, Susan
Speaker 4: Cabot when Susan remember Susan Cabot, the b actress. Yes,
Speaker 4: son murdered her and we interviewed him.
Speaker 2: Wow like that. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I would go into the vo booth to do uh
Speaker 1: like maybe like fifteen or twenty uh you know, uh whatever,
Speaker 1: like John Waymon he was a dashing cowboy, and I
Speaker 1: would do like twenty of these in a row, three
Speaker 1: or four takes, and I got to a point where
Speaker 1: I'm like, who the fuck is this? I did a
Speaker 1: show on this person. Who's Susan Cabot, who's all on
Speaker 1: the go A J I go. I don't evenmer whose bit.
Speaker 1: I forgot so many names because there was so many,
Speaker 1: and some of them were not like the stars you
Speaker 1: hear about in your life. They're not to carry grants
Speaker 1: and eerro Flynn's they're like B level. But there's stories
Speaker 1: like Albert Decker story in the shower with the ballgag
Speaker 1: and the needles in I mean a suicide.
Speaker 3: His hands are tied behind his back.
Speaker 1: It's so many, so much bullshit went on, and back
Speaker 1: then people have to understand. When there was a crime,
Speaker 1: the cops weren't called. The studios were called. Studio systems came.
Speaker 1: The head of the studio, got their people there, their lawyer, Jerry.
Speaker 1: What's that guy's name. Jerry was a Geisler. We used
Speaker 1: him a lot. He was always Jerry.
Speaker 2: It was also remember James Bacon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, James Bacon wanted my job, so.
Speaker 2: J okay, that's right, So James Bacon.
Speaker 4: This I mean again, this is why this show cannot
Speaker 4: be redone with subjects to get the real story, because,
Speaker 4: oh my god.
Speaker 2: Imagine this.
Speaker 4: On the night that Lana Turner had her daughter take
Speaker 4: the fall for killing Johnny Staponado R.
Speaker 2: What did she call first? She called James Bacon. What
Speaker 2: do I do?
Speaker 1: Oh? Wow?
Speaker 3: James was a big journalist back in the day.
Speaker 4: Journalist also very very much, very much loved Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, he was huge, but.
Speaker 4: He could help you because if you wanted to plan
Speaker 4: a story in the paper. She called James Bacon says,
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do, but Johnny Stambanano is
Speaker 4: dead in my house. He's got a butcher knife in
Speaker 4: his chest. What do I do? And he's like, don't
Speaker 4: call anybody yet, I'll be right over, okay, And he's
Speaker 4: telling her maybe that's where they came up with, maybe
Speaker 4: the daughter needs to take the fall exactly.
Speaker 2: This was today. You couldn't do this today. There's cameras.
Speaker 4: With cameras, you know, you can't do anything with even
Speaker 4: life cell phones. You could never redo Easy Rider today.
Speaker 4: You can't get lost in America. You know everyone's going
Speaker 4: to find you. Everyone's got a trace on your phone.
Speaker 4: They know where you were. So I think you could
Speaker 4: get away with more, Like let's spin.
Speaker 2: This murder a little more.
Speaker 4: They'll never find out, they'll never know what happened inside,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: But then there's how Minyo thing real quick to get
Speaker 1: back to that. I remember we saw the footage of
Speaker 1: the poll bears taking out Minio's body, and we had
Speaker 1: the sketch and one of the Paul Barros was how
Speaker 1: Minyo's ex lover, and he looked just like the sketch,
Speaker 1: and we're all going, that's the killer, that's him. The
Speaker 1: guy got a knife in the heart that's a passion,
Speaker 1: a crime and passion.
Speaker 3: It's just a lover. But no, he got away with it.
Speaker 4: Poor guy, the poor guy that took the fall fort
Speaker 4: and was arrested. Didn't They didn't even take any money
Speaker 4: from him. No, it wasn't even like they said it
Speaker 4: was a robbery.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. No, it didn't take anything.
Speaker 1: That's a passion.
Speaker 2: That's the guy's garage behind his.
Speaker 3: House haven Hurst.
Speaker 2: The woman Hellway looking out at the at the area
Speaker 2: where he was murdered.
Speaker 1: Okay, my uncle, uncle Vinnie's apartment. Uncle Vinnie lived two
Speaker 1: places down from Drothy Dandridge place. He died though, Uncle
Speaker 1: Vinnie about a year ago or so.
Speaker 3: But no, I'm sorry. What a great apartment, great apartment
Speaker 3: that I was.
Speaker 2: At that apartment.
Speaker 4: I know we watched the when Mysteries and Scandals was
Speaker 4: on the Sopratosy.
Speaker 1: That episode, Yeah, I know. I still see it and
Speaker 1: people still send it to me. It just you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be on that show. I had meetings,
Speaker 1: but I always have a mental block with the guy's name.
Speaker 3: Who ran HBO, A real short guy.
Speaker 1: I can't think of his fucking He was the boss,
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein said meet so and so you know, I'll
Speaker 1: put a good word, And I said, I want to
Speaker 1: be on Sopranos. And he's like, I know you could
Speaker 1: do this in your sleep. You could fall out of
Speaker 1: bed and play one of these guys. But you're too
Speaker 1: recognizable as Mysteries and Scandal's guy, and they're gonna see
Speaker 1: you and think of your show instead of our show.
Speaker 1: So James Gandlofini heard that. I told him the story
Speaker 1: and he didn't tell me nothing. But suddenly there was
Speaker 1: a phone call from the producers to Danny. He's saying,
Speaker 1: they want to put me on Sopranos. Do we have permission?
Speaker 1: It was five grand for just I'm like, yeah, they
Speaker 1: have permission. Mike's like, are you sure? I go what's
Speaker 1: to be short? But of course, and it was. It
Speaker 1: was just fantastic.
Speaker 4: I cherish that, and that's was still on the air
Speaker 4: when we were when you.
Speaker 1: Did that, right, Yeah, that's the way Jimmy was. He
Speaker 1: was very you know how he was with his friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a really sweet, sweet guy and a crazy
Speaker 1: motherfucker as well. Like me, we both have two sides
Speaker 1: of geminis. But so I know, also you.
Speaker 4: Have on your talk show from the Sopranos, didn't we
Speaker 4: have someone from.
Speaker 1: No, you know, we had Mike Michael wanted the kid Michael.
Speaker 1: He was the Metal's boyfriend for a minute, Jason something
Speaker 1: good looking kid Michael had a crush on him. But
Speaker 1: the big Oh Finny Pastor did an interstitial sketch with
Speaker 1: me before the show that I don't have that tape.
Speaker 3: I have it something I love it.
Speaker 2: We've got to go through those boxes of tapes.
Speaker 1: I know Chris Maloney did one for us on one
Speaker 1: of the shows. He threw him against the fence and
Speaker 1: arrested me for being a bad talk show host.
Speaker 3: We did funny ship like that on Saturday.
Speaker 4: If you if your talk shows had not been canceled
Speaker 4: and nine to eleven happens, you would have been so
Speaker 4: close to where what happened. We would have been the
Speaker 4: only show im down there.
Speaker 1: No that I often say that we've we've We were
Speaker 1: in May and in September up and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: we we would have had to get a new place
Speaker 1: because no one could go down that area anymore. It
Speaker 1: was all closed off, and it was yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a reason. I don't know, but that place
Speaker 1: was perfect for a show. No One had a show
Speaker 1: in a loft in Tribeca with a Chinese guy and
Speaker 1: a wooden elevator they had to pull up with his arms.
Speaker 1: And George Hamilton shows up just because he's with Christine Peters.
Speaker 1: He sits down on the couch. It was just it
Speaker 1: was the idea of the show was, let's have a
Speaker 1: great time before we all go out to the nightclubs
Speaker 1: and get some food and ship like that. And you know,
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal showed up one night to hang out. It
Speaker 1: was just a crazy time.
Speaker 2: You had that great interview with Mario, Mario Canton.
Speaker 4: And Canton, Jeffrey Ross or anyone knew who he was
Speaker 4: and jeff Ross and they were hulinarious and.
Speaker 2: Dan rather this great, great interview.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one time the cast of Rent came on to
Speaker 1: watch the show, and I love I saw Rent six
Speaker 1: times and I had I had a well when I
Speaker 1: was younger, I saw Rent and Daphne ruben Vega. I
Speaker 1: just had a crush on her character. And I also
Speaker 1: loved jon Jet. I saw Jone Jett as a nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty year old kid when she was in the Runaways.
Speaker 3: I love Jone Jet and I.
Speaker 1: Go backstay in my green room and there's Jon Jet
Speaker 1: with Daphne Rubin Vega, both lesbians. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Jone Jett had a bold. He's cut all her hair
Speaker 1: off and they're all over each other in the green room.
Speaker 1: People could smoke weed in the green room, they could drink,
Speaker 1: and we were the first talk show to have alcohol
Speaker 1: with these tall Brazilian models.
Speaker 4: It was just we were interviewing people on this wildscape.
Speaker 1: The roof very different.
Speaker 2: It was the wrong network.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I give them credit for they okayed everything rock
Speaker 1: My buddy Roca was in charge of the food and beverage.
Speaker 1: I was gonna have my Mary review movies because she
Speaker 1: doesn't know shit about Hollywood. Vinnie was gonna cook meat balls.
Speaker 1: It was everything that Jimmy Kimmel kind of does. He
Speaker 1: got his family involved, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I was. I was ahead of that family. It felt
Speaker 2: like a family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: And then like I just.
Speaker 4: Even like just the seating when people would come and
Speaker 4: watch was very loose. Yeah, I no tales and appetizers
Speaker 4: and you know that the New York Skyline and beautiful
Speaker 4: time of night with you know, that was a whole
Speaker 4: like that was a whole other.
Speaker 2: What I want.
Speaker 3: But I wanted you. I asked for you to be
Speaker 3: my producer.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do the talk show with you and
Speaker 1: Michael because I figured I felt I owed Michael for
Speaker 1: bringing me on Misteries and Scandal. So it was you
Speaker 1: and Michael. And then they introduced another producer who's going
Speaker 1: to work with us, who was nothing like you or I,
Speaker 1: but you were and me and we're going all around
Speaker 1: the city at night. I got my own camera. I'm
Speaker 1: filming shit just for chicks and giggles, and we're going
Speaker 1: to go to Score. It's a topless club and you
Speaker 1: and I are ready to go, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just framed my ankle walking off the curb. What
Speaker 1: do you mean I can't go? I can hardly walk.
Speaker 1: Let me find out. He's like a bonnygain Christian. Can't
Speaker 1: go their strip clubs. His wife would kill him. This
Speaker 1: is the guy you give us for the show that's
Speaker 1: gonna This is like.
Speaker 2: A big red flag.
Speaker 4: Is when the opening graphics were watching a beautiful stiletto
Speaker 4: heel walk over and he changed it to a sandal.
Speaker 3: Oh don't even tell me that. I had no idea that.
Speaker 4: You didn't know that we thought we fought it. He
Speaker 4: wanted to change it to a sandal.
Speaker 1: Because heels are not in gone.
Speaker 2: I guess it was for him.
Speaker 4: Now this was the truth, and Michael and I are like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: it stays as the stiletto.
Speaker 2: It's called a j after hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the morning at the beach, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Well, things like that were not right.
Speaker 4: But you know that was a that was out of
Speaker 4: our that was you know, he had very strange rules
Speaker 4: at times where we.
Speaker 2: Could do this and we couldn't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're like, you were like my Coppo, you
Speaker 1: were like my you know, you were like, before it.
Speaker 3: Gets to me, Alice has put the fire out.
Speaker 1: I'm very confident this is.
Speaker 4: I remember, Okay, when we did the Judy Garland episode,
Speaker 4: this was like a thing that happened. We would do
Speaker 4: reenactments and one of the reenactments was that Judy was
Speaker 4: going to slice her wrist. This was a potential suicide.
Speaker 4: This was a very scary thing to put in our
Speaker 4: segment because are we going too far? So we had
Speaker 4: an actor with a razor blade pretend in fake blood, okay,
Speaker 4: and we had like that, you know.
Speaker 2: So we did this reenactment. We threw it in.
Speaker 4: Michael goes, oh god, I don't know, like, how is this? Okay,
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens. So he approves it and they're like, well, okay,
Speaker 4: who got mad?
Speaker 2: Guess who got mad? Warner Brothers. Warner Brothers really.
Speaker 4: So we get a call from Warner Brothers and they say, see,
Speaker 4: we could use trailers for films, Like if we needed
Speaker 4: the Wizard of Oz, we couldn't show her scenes in there.
Speaker 2: We'd have to pay for them. We had no money,
Speaker 2: but trailers we could use.
Speaker 4: Trailers were like in the public domain, but Brothers would
Speaker 4: have to sign off on it. So we had rights
Speaker 4: and Clarence person that would go, yes, you can use
Speaker 4: all the trailers.
Speaker 2: Well, once they saw the.
Speaker 4: Judy Garland reenactment of a her slicinger wrist, they called
Speaker 4: and said, no more Warner Brothers.
Speaker 2: You can't have anything from Warner Brothers.
Speaker 4: Ever again, Michael, does are you kidding?
Speaker 2: That's going to be half our shows?
Speaker 4: Most of our Golden age of Hollywood people have We're affiliated.
Speaker 2: With Warner Brothers at one point of course.
Speaker 4: So anyway, that lasted three weeks when they needed to
Speaker 4: promote a movie, but they needed the news department to promote.
Speaker 2: We were pushing. We pushed it a little bit, like
Speaker 2: how far can we go with you do?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How far you can't say the word suicide?
Speaker 4: One can't say on a lot.
Speaker 2: We can say on alive.
Speaker 4: Right, So we were saying things that we had no
Speaker 4: problem with. I mean, if the guy was trying to
Speaker 4: commit suicide, that's what he was trying to do.
Speaker 2: But now we have to say, you'd have to say
Speaker 2: the un alive.
Speaker 1: I would I would like that.
Speaker 2: There wasn't sound. I would never do that. I could
Speaker 2: never imagine.
Speaker 4: You're talking about James Whale threw himself into the into
Speaker 4: the into the end of the pool. You're like the
Speaker 4: shallow end, you know, and you're like, the way you
Speaker 4: said that, I'll never forget, like shallow And I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm at my house. It's three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 4: and we're filming this in my parents' house, and my
Speaker 4: dad's sleeping upstairs, and he goes, was I dreaming or
Speaker 4: was a ju the shallow end of our pool?
Speaker 2: Last night at three o'clock?
Speaker 1: I forgot? Well, you know, he had dinner with you guys,
Speaker 1: and he made a nice post of for us and
Speaker 1: Gal with some great stories.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll tell you what I want to take
Speaker 2: one little personal story. It's kind of beautiful.
Speaker 4: So when we were doing the Mario Lanza Show, which
Speaker 4: is Mario basically kind of gave my dad a start
Speaker 4: because it was a song that my dad was going
Speaker 4: to record and Mario was going to record it, but
Speaker 4: he gave it to dads and that became a number
Speaker 4: one single.
Speaker 3: For him and the you know.
Speaker 2: Here in my heart?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, right, So my dad is alive and well
Speaker 4: at the time, we were doing mysteries and scandals, and
Speaker 4: every now and then I would ask him about the
Speaker 4: future of where he'd like to be buried.
Speaker 2: I asked my mom that too, you know, where do
Speaker 2: you want to go? And he said, I don't care.
Speaker 2: You can dump my body out in the higo. I
Speaker 2: don't care. You know, he can pare so all right.
Speaker 4: Well, the night that we did their host raps at
Speaker 4: Holy Cross Cemetery where Bing Crosby is, Rita Hayworth, Sharon Tate,
Speaker 4: Mario Alanza is there. So Dad has you over and
Speaker 4: I think the Mario Alanza kids, the kids came and
Speaker 4: we made a prospussal and then it was around ten
Speaker 4: thirty at night.
Speaker 2: Our host Rerat started at midnight in the cemetery, right,
Speaker 2: and my dad says, well, you know what can I come?
Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, so my mom my dad's like
Speaker 4: driving his black Lincoln town car like mid and middle
Speaker 4: of the middle of the night at the cemetery with
Speaker 4: the smoke machine.
Speaker 2: And he says to me that.
Speaker 4: At the end of that at the end of that shoot,
Speaker 4: I can be I'd like to be buried here.
Speaker 1: Oh great, oh wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: And it's because of mister.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable, I know.
Speaker 4: And we bought three plots me, my mom, and my dad,
Speaker 4: so I'll be there too. I would scandal sticker on.
Speaker 2: My on my yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I think about the people that used to come and
Speaker 1: watch our show. What's your name of your friend? The
Speaker 1: actress Martha, she came to see the show a few times.
Speaker 1: She was really sweet.
Speaker 2: It is great.
Speaker 1: But tell me about the David, because I forgot David
Speaker 1: came and watched.
Speaker 4: Well, this is when we're starting to realize our show
Speaker 4: has caught on and people recognize us on the street,
Speaker 4: which was kind of a fun treat for us and
Speaker 4: I think our camera crew as well, because we got
Speaker 4: a little validation on the street.
Speaker 2: It's like seeing Angeline or something.
Speaker 1: Driving.
Speaker 2: We were being part of the fabric of the city
Speaker 2: and we were people loved our show and they would
Speaker 2: always like honk and go, which what are you doing tonight?
Speaker 2: Which show? You know?
Speaker 4: And so I don't remember what show it was, but David,
Speaker 4: so you know, there were clubs in Hollywood at that point,
Speaker 4: come out of a club, uh, I think it was
Speaker 4: gaslight maybe, and he came out and he was standing
Speaker 4: watching you do your you know, first post wraps with
Speaker 4: the smoke machine and listen.
Speaker 2: We had great writers, so listen listening to you give
Speaker 2: these host wraps. They were very, very entertaining.
Speaker 1: Michael and Laura, Michael Michael.
Speaker 2: They were great. Michael Michael Burne then.
Speaker 1: My first Michael Michael Burne was the.
Speaker 4: Michael selling Mike Byrne wrote he was sort of the
Speaker 4: because you know, there was it was a little campy,
Speaker 4: you know, they got a little more serious as we
Speaker 4: got on, but we were having fun with these shows.
Speaker 1: And because I sat down with them and said, because
Speaker 1: I liked the script, but I'm like sometimes I'd say
Speaker 1: things a little different. I talked more and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I'm a tabloid guy, so I
Speaker 1: say things tabloidy, like start the show with you know,
Speaker 1: Blood in the Street nineteen forty, just give me it,
Speaker 1: like just start stronger. And then they caught on and
Speaker 1: they were the scripture. I could never complain about the
Speaker 1: script once.
Speaker 2: No, the scripts were great.
Speaker 4: They were camp be but there they were also respectful,
Speaker 4: and I was not. We never ever made any of
Speaker 4: these actors who deceased and maybe died a terrible way, that.
Speaker 2: We ever made fun of them. We did.
Speaker 4: We told their stories with a lot of class, and
Speaker 4: a lot of the people who gave the interviews were
Speaker 4: great because they were friends and they weren't going to
Speaker 4: throw their friends under the bus, right, So we didn't
Speaker 4: have a lot.
Speaker 2: Of tabloid people.
Speaker 4: We had biographers once in a while, but we had
Speaker 4: mostly actors. If someone was going to talk about James Dean,
Speaker 4: we're going to get Dennis Hopper and he's going to
Speaker 4: tell you about method acting. Okay, so that's the route
Speaker 4: that we went. We were like, tell us what James
Speaker 4: Dean was, Like, what kind of an actor was he
Speaker 4: we don't want a biographer telling us when someone studied.
Speaker 4: You know, if Martin landad we did a show on
Speaker 4: ed Wood, Martin Landa had just won an oscar for
Speaker 4: playing Bella Lagosi.
Speaker 2: He's he's giving us an interview to tell us about Bella.
Speaker 4: I mean about you know, these were really amazing times.
Speaker 1: You know what we did. Montgomery Cliff and I studied
Speaker 1: with his Russian coach, Mira Rostova and all Russian actress
Speaker 1: from the stage Checkov and all that shit. And she
Speaker 1: loved me. I did two years with three years in
Speaker 1: New York City with her, and she was monte Cliff's confidant.
Speaker 1: She was on the set Alfred. When monte Cliff was
Speaker 1: done with a scene, he would look at her, not
Speaker 1: Alfred Ditchcock and Hitchcock got so many threw her off
Speaker 1: the set. But we, I said, Michael, reach out to Mira.
Speaker 1: I'll get a number. She'd be great.
Speaker 3: She was his coach.
Speaker 1: You know, she wouldn't do it. She didn't want to
Speaker 1: be on TV. She's going like a private person. But
Speaker 1: that would have been awesome because she knew him when
Speaker 1: he first started and when he was beautiful before the
Speaker 1: car accident. And you know, phenomenal. He was phenomenal.
Speaker 4: We had a Michael Gana has a list somewhere and
Speaker 4: I got to get it.
Speaker 2: Every actor we interviewed. It's over one hundred, yeah and there,
Speaker 2: and they're all gone. I know, it's pretty much.
Speaker 1: We could do it, look at it. We couldn't show
Speaker 1: They didn't want us to show sliced wrists. If we
Speaker 1: did a show tomorrow on Perez Hilton, which by the way,
Speaker 1: is a big scandal, that's a mystery.
Speaker 3: It's horrifying. But I mean, he'd be he'd be part
Speaker 3: of the Well he didn't die, thank god, but if
Speaker 3: they had, you have to wait.
Speaker 4: But but but I know where you're going with this,
Speaker 4: Like there seems to be like we never ran out
Speaker 4: of stories. It ran about us, right So we were
Speaker 4: I was doing Edith, I think a show and Edith's
Speaker 4: Head when we were.
Speaker 1: The costumes on its business right now, and I had.
Speaker 4: Done a show called Hollywood Babylon, which was about obviously
Speaker 4: Beverly Hill's scandals. The Menendez Brothers sort of made it
Speaker 4: into the show. And then uh, we did The Knickerbocker.
Speaker 4: So I thought we were going to do cities. We
Speaker 4: could have done hotels. You know, what's that hotel that
Speaker 4: everyone's there's a show about it right downtown.
Speaker 2: I'm blanking out.
Speaker 1: Well, No, the one that the girl was found the
Speaker 1: built more than yeah, the shell, Yeah, the one she
Speaker 1: was found dead in the Watertowner, that one that haunted Yeah, yes, Cecilia, Cecilia,
Speaker 1: something like that, something like that.
Speaker 4: So what he's saying is like Hollywood Knickerbocker show alone
Speaker 4: could have been a TV series.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that hotel, you know.
Speaker 4: And what I'm and what I'm mad about, and I'm
Speaker 4: still mad about it, is that our shows are not available.
Speaker 4: When I see these people trying to do mysteries and
Speaker 4: scandals and the grave line tours, and you know, when
Speaker 4: they're instagram and are talking about Rudy Valentino and I
Speaker 4: getting that because I go, what.
Speaker 2: Do you did that? First?
Speaker 1: What do you do that?
Speaker 2: You know? You know, now they're doing it.
Speaker 4: I'm not, you know, I'm upset that they can't view
Speaker 4: our programmer, end.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean they might they might see you. How
Speaker 1: many did you put up around fifteen game?
Speaker 2: I had over one hundred up?
Speaker 1: No, what now there's over one hundred.
Speaker 2: I put over one hundred episodes on YouTube.
Speaker 1: I thought there was much less than that. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 2: I was over one hundred. It took me a year
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: They're gone, remember because you took the Oh, well they're gone,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. How many left?
Speaker 2: They're all gone?
Speaker 1: Now. I thought there's still some available.
Speaker 2: There's only like Peter Lawford's the only way they didn't go.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Okay, these were getting two hundred and eight hundred thousand
Speaker 4: views a year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had them up for five years.
Speaker 1: That's enough for a network or all them network to go,
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it over here. We're gonna do it
Speaker 1: over here. It's like, that's the built in viewership. It
Speaker 1: isn't Intagram followers or Facebook. It's fucking people watching the
Speaker 1: whole up.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we don't own the show.
Speaker 4: I know it's owned by NBC or whoever owns E now,
Speaker 4: but see, the copyright has ran out of that show,
Speaker 4: so that at this point, if no one's monetizing it
Speaker 4: making money off of it, it should be able to
Speaker 4: be viewed. I'm not selling them, No, I'm not monetized.
Speaker 4: I'm not claiming I own them.
Speaker 1: They're just The thing about you is, and I know
Speaker 1: you you're too proud for this. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: You have such a mass following on Vintage Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: You're an news You're a news person now journalists, so
Speaker 1: to speak. You've got this great background in television with
Speaker 1: a great show and other shows. You did Intervention, you
Speaker 1: did Celebrity Rehab, you did a bunch of other shows.
Speaker 3: You never put a subscription button on your page.
Speaker 1: People would pay a dollar a month, five bucks a
Speaker 1: month just to see and listen to you or read
Speaker 1: your page. Everybody does it and you're not doing it.
Speaker 1: Why don't you do it?
Speaker 2: Well, you just motivated me, so maybe I will. You
Speaker 2: gotta do that.
Speaker 4: I can include you and my subscriptions. Well, we'll have chats.
Speaker 2: Of course, whatever whatever you need me.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm I'm counting on all your people on Vintage
Speaker 1: to see this and fucking realize because you don't tell
Speaker 1: them everything. Your page is great. You post all wonderful
Speaker 1: things about the city and the state, but they don't
Speaker 1: really know.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe some of them do.
Speaker 1: But your whole history of what you did at E
Speaker 1: and your background and what you did after E and
Speaker 1: now it's no you don't on the part of loudmouth.
Speaker 1: I talk about me all the every fucking day. I'm
Speaker 1: good at talking about myself, but you need to do
Speaker 1: that more often because you have so much to offer.
Speaker 1: But anyhow, it got me. I was stupid because when
Speaker 1: the show got canceled and the second show got canceled,
Speaker 1: I just I guess. I was like, I'm not immature,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't wise to the ways of Hollywood. I
Speaker 1: took it so personal that I went into this fucking
Speaker 1: I mean, I just hit bottom. That's when I started
Speaker 1: doing a lot of drugs and drinking every fucking day.
Speaker 1: I just because I was still getting paid a handsome
Speaker 1: amount of money to keep my mouth shut about the
Speaker 1: show's getting canceled. That's why I smack started being John
Speaker 1: because I couldn't tell the truth about what happened, and
Speaker 1: all suddenly my life's falling apart. And I realized, like
Speaker 1: later on you go, so many people go through cancelations
Speaker 1: in horrible ways too, Like just the other day, someone
Speaker 1: got a movie or a show got canceled while the
Speaker 1: actor was on the way. Oh no, he was on
Speaker 1: this set. Oh. ESPN fired a guy during the show.
Speaker 1: He found that he's getting fired. He walked off the set.
Speaker 1: It happens in TV. TV is run by Root. Was
Speaker 1: fucking people, some wonderful people, but the people above them
Speaker 1: are ruthless. Like Allison, I had money coming in from mystery.
Speaker 1: The scales became international. I got spotted in Paris, spotted
Speaker 1: in Italy. I'm like, holy shit, this is pretty cool Mexico.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I called it an This girl up
Speaker 1: up in accounting and I'm like, can you find a
Speaker 1: check for me. There's got to be a check for me.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at these magazines from Portugal. I'm on the cover.
Speaker 1: She goes, let me look. She found an eighteen thousand
Speaker 1: dollars check. That eighteen grand. He never told me it
Speaker 1: was sitting there. I'm like, I said, I'll give you
Speaker 1: twenty percent. Find me a check. So I gave you
Speaker 1: twenty percent and eighteen hundred eighteen thousand. Because it wasn't
Speaker 1: for I wouldn't have got the money there was right, you.
Speaker 2: Would have known it and I'll go in a week.
Speaker 1: So I blew it in three weeks. But I was
Speaker 1: gone gone. I mean, dinner for ten.
Speaker 4: You were very generous, by the way, Well, I've worked.
Speaker 4: I've worked with a lot of hosts, okay, and I've
Speaker 4: never met had a host like you, who first of
Speaker 4: all was my friend, but also you were generous with
Speaker 4: all of us because we producers weren't making any money.
Speaker 2: We were making They said, you.
Speaker 4: Couldn't spell, you know, cheap without e right, you're making
Speaker 4: a dollar a day on the show. Greatest show I
Speaker 4: ever worked on, though, And we were broke, and you
Speaker 4: would take it.
Speaker 2: We were young, we were in our twenties.
Speaker 4: You take us to all Go, you feed us fabulous food,
Speaker 4: and there was always so.
Speaker 2: Much food on the table.
Speaker 4: I can pick up thet and I love that, you know,
Speaker 4: I love eating, drinking with my friends.
Speaker 2: I was what I like to do. It's my past.
Speaker 1: That's what we did because that's how we grew up,
Speaker 1: family friends, my dad.
Speaker 4: Wes had lots of food on the table and you know,
Speaker 4: and I'd be like, that's how we all go.
Speaker 2: Was an incredible time with you there to go to
Speaker 2: that place. And that's gone too.
Speaker 4: Fee like a lot of things are gone. But we
Speaker 4: also like we were like a pretty tight group. Like today,
Speaker 4: I don't even think people really bond like they used
Speaker 4: to because we didn't have social media to go home
Speaker 4: to and talk about.
Speaker 2: We talked to.
Speaker 4: Each other about our lives, right, so yeah, I have
Speaker 4: a plant. I mean, if our show was around during Mystery,
Speaker 4: if our show was around when the internet was around.
Speaker 3: Oh forget, No, we have no Google.
Speaker 1: No no, it was just.
Speaker 4: Like Google Marilyn Monroe and everything comes up for me.
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, you don't write script. They're gonna write
Speaker 2: your whole script on Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I never were actually.
Speaker 4: Learning and reading and watching the films of every everybody
Speaker 4: we did. I remember when we did Ava Gardner, I
Speaker 4: must have watched sixteen of her movies in two days.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wanted to know who she was. I didn't want
Speaker 2: to just get the cliff notes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we did. You did it right. I mean
Speaker 1: some people cut corners here and there, and I would
Speaker 1: call them out on it like there was something. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's are little things, but like I think Danny
Speaker 1: did Marilyn Roe, I think I'm pretty sure. Okay, Yes,
Speaker 1: and we're at the We're at the we're at the cemetery.
Speaker 1: Was it Westwood, Maryland?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, And he wants me to put a rose in
Speaker 1: her mausoleum thing and I'm like, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: I can't it just it just doesn't look right. It's
Speaker 1: just I wouldn't do that. I don't think I did it.
Speaker 1: Maybe I acquiesced because it was early in my career.
Speaker 1: Maybe I said, Okay, I'll do it, but I didn't
Speaker 1: like doing it. One time, Karen Langren wanted to put
Speaker 1: a she wanted this bar of fire behind me because
Speaker 1: somebody died in a fire. Maybe it was Jack Hasseley,
Speaker 1: I forget, but it was a fire situation. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this looks fucking janky. They're not gonna see it. You
Speaker 1: just gonna see the flames. I go, I know, but
Speaker 1: do they really think I'm in front of a flaming building?
Speaker 3: Come on, these people aren't stupid.
Speaker 1: But I let her do it.
Speaker 3: And then it got to the point where I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not doing Like we're doing new picture.
Speaker 4: You had a wire I think you had a wire
Speaker 4: hanger in your in your hand once for the John Crawford.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they yeah, they gave me a wire hanger. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then they were like, we're gonna do new pictures,
Speaker 1: promote promotional pictures, and we want you to wear a
Speaker 1: top hat. I go now I'm not putting the fuck
Speaker 1: like a nineteen forties I love the catch, but that's
Speaker 1: not me. I'm not crime Dog McGruff. I'm not wearing it.
Speaker 1: Then they go, we're doing new commercials. You, Steve Kimento,
Speaker 1: Jules Asder, You're gonna walk through this door and we're
Speaker 1: gonna say, you're showing going to sit there and cross
Speaker 1: your arms.
Speaker 3: I go, I'm not going to open the door.
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: I go, it's just not what I do.
Speaker 1: What would you do?
Speaker 2: Okay? Remember remember not interrupt you.
Speaker 4: But remember when we had that guy Richard Berenson and
Speaker 4: he was in a set designer and he designed the
Speaker 4: What's My Line?
Speaker 2: Set?
Speaker 3: You remember doctor Killallall?
Speaker 4: We started doing like whoa, maybe we can make life sets.
Speaker 3: You see.
Speaker 2: That's when the boulevard was starting.
Speaker 4: To get a little bit busy and we were.
Speaker 2: Getting more popular.
Speaker 4: So we were starting to think that we should do
Speaker 4: more of the host reps in the studio. And that's
Speaker 4: why Richford come in and he built sets and we
Speaker 4: had like for the Bing Crosbie one.
Speaker 2: I remember, we we because he's.
Speaker 4: So associated with like Christmas and Christmas we had we had.
Speaker 2: We had this was so fun.
Speaker 4: We brought in all these old TV sets from like
Speaker 4: the fifties and we decorated them with Christmas.
Speaker 2: Ornaments and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we had you walking by and for the
Speaker 4: ed Wood one, we had you walking by like a
Speaker 4: store where they sold like like and gorsweaters and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because you want go swat is right.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, just such a good and we had a good, a.
Speaker 1: Nice old call for Bobby Fuller. We had the nice
Speaker 1: old blue I forget what Megan model was.
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be an oldsmobile, but they gave
Speaker 2: us something else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 4: Fun because we were able to do that in a
Speaker 4: just a junkie old parking lot right right, the cheap
Speaker 4: parking lot. And we had the smoke machine in the
Speaker 4: car and you kind of did a cool thing where
Speaker 4: you're like he died in the car and you kind
Speaker 4: of like did that to the window, you know, car seat.
Speaker 2: So you had like some cool improvisational things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember for me everything turned
Speaker 1: because people don't understand when you get a TV job,
Speaker 1: whether you're a producer or the talent or the whole
Speaker 1: it's not the talent. I hate that way. You're talented
Speaker 1: or all talented, but you know, you get thirteen weeks,
Speaker 1: you go, all right, well, let's see if we can
Speaker 1: make this go just thirteen weeks it's nothing, and if
Speaker 1: it goes okay, then you get another thirteen she was
Speaker 1: out feeling better about yourself.
Speaker 3: Then the third three up was fifty two weeks.
Speaker 1: And then you go, okay, we fucking made it. We
Speaker 1: got a whole year, like we can let our nuts
Speaker 1: hang and really explore what we want to do. Then
Speaker 1: you get re upped again, so it makes you feel
Speaker 1: like we're doing something right, which which is really good.
Speaker 1: But otherwise television is just, you know, it's just it's
Speaker 1: so daunting and you just never know where you stand.
Speaker 1: People lie to you, they tell it's just I.
Speaker 4: Think we had a very good I think if you
Speaker 4: tell anyone we had a good five year run as
Speaker 4: kind of a miracle, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like one point, at one point, you were you
Speaker 2: were everywhere. I mean, you had your posters in the lobby,
Speaker 2: Oh you hoards, you want Howardster.
Speaker 4: You were on the commercials, the mysteries and scandals and
Speaker 4: the faming and the bitch was running.
Speaker 2: That commercial was running every eight minutes. And then you
Speaker 2: were like sick of myself.
Speaker 3: I know you told me that I forgot I was
Speaker 3: sick of myself.
Speaker 2: I know I get that way.
Speaker 1: I get sick of my voice too, But I mean,
Speaker 1: that's all what can we do?
Speaker 2: That's that's what you mean now that I'm on camera too.
Speaker 4: But the thing is, like, you know, you get to
Speaker 4: know yourself so well that you you were so the
Speaker 4: fa you were a face of you know.
Speaker 2: There were faces right them you Steve comet Go.
Speaker 4: I mean that that you know, I knew would go
Speaker 4: on and do things after, Like you're not going to
Speaker 4: just be the person you were associated with so many
Speaker 4: other things. But I want people to know that are
Speaker 4: listening to this to please go to YouTube's on my channel.
Speaker 4: I thenkored and and please type in a J. Bens
Speaker 4: a blooper reel from Field.
Speaker 1: That's a funny one.
Speaker 4: This doesn't show the fun that we had Bottle the
Speaker 4: Field making these shows. There were so many funny bloopers.
Speaker 4: You made me laugh when you said, Tony said, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of giving.
Speaker 1: You a line you talk about I remember that. I
Speaker 1: remember one show it was more Yeah, I punched that
Speaker 1: planter and broke my fingers.
Speaker 2: You thought it was.
Speaker 1: I know, I hit so hard.
Speaker 2: It was a cement wall.
Speaker 3: It was like a thousand pounds in men planter huge.
Speaker 2: We hear it.
Speaker 3: You could hear it. I know, we hear it.
Speaker 2: I can't believe your whole entire army. I know it
Speaker 2: was I broke.
Speaker 1: They actually said the knuckles on my right hand were
Speaker 1: broken in twenty places. I can't believe knuckles can break
Speaker 1: in twenty places. But I got a splint and I
Speaker 1: finished the episode. I don't know how many days later,
Speaker 1: but I wore a splint. Yeah, yeah, that was about
Speaker 1: you know what this is? This We were right by
Speaker 1: my house for some reason, by my apartment. It wasn't
Speaker 1: too far from where I lived, and I told somebody.
Speaker 1: I gave them my key and I said, you gotta
Speaker 1: go to my apartment. Here's the key. I have Perkoset
Speaker 1: in my medicine cabinet. Bring me back to and somebody
Speaker 1: on the staff went, maybe one of the I was
Speaker 1: one of these production assistants, like are you sure.
Speaker 2: I go I have?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm dying in fucking pain. I need it, And
Speaker 1: they went and brought it to me. That's how crazy
Speaker 1: that show. And then one night, she calls me. Chico
Speaker 1: calls me, I love me a message. I checked my
Speaker 1: messages and he's in the hotel, drinking the whole mini
Speaker 1: bar and committing suicide. He said he can't call him,
Speaker 1: he's in the bathtub. I'm like, cheek, I'm in la you.
Speaker 1: I can't cut I know. I'm just letting you know
Speaker 1: I love you. So I called him back from the
Speaker 1: company phone, and they would giving me shit, you can't
Speaker 1: use the phone. Go for a bit, it might cost
Speaker 1: five bucks. I fucking threw it against the brick walls,
Speaker 1: smashing the pieces.
Speaker 3: Allison. It was not Alison, it was Alicia Good was there.
Speaker 3: I think was one of her.
Speaker 1: Shows, and she was like, oh my god, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get fired, know you not. They'll take it out of me.
Speaker 1: Nothing happened to me, but I mean I got close
Speaker 1: like Betsy Rot. One night I met an ext girlfriend
Speaker 1: for dinner at Misseli's and we had a few wines
Speaker 1: before my shoot, and I guess I was slurring words
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm sure I was, And Betsy made
Speaker 1: me sign this morals clause again because you know we
Speaker 1: could follow.
Speaker 2: You for this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, Okay, you know, I'm sorry. But
Speaker 1: then the last show, I said this on yesterday's show,
Speaker 1: and I did Darthy Kilgallen the last show I forget
Speaker 1: to produce his name. Wasn't a big fan of his,
Speaker 1: but he was like a little bit of a pain
Speaker 1: in the ass, but a smart alex young guy. It
Speaker 1: was Gary DeVore, which is a great story about this
Speaker 1: writer who was talking about Patamar and Noriega and the
Speaker 1: connection to Ronald Reagan and all this money being transferred.
Speaker 1: And they found him. He disappeared in the desert years past,
Speaker 1: and some guy locally puts on a wet suit and
Speaker 1: then snarkle of a mask, goes in an aqueduct and
Speaker 1: finds his truck. But there's only two skeletal hands in
Speaker 1: the backseat, no laptop, what he was working on, that's
Speaker 1: all been taken. So obviously they got rid of him,
Speaker 1: like they got rid of d'artie Killgown, like that got
Speaker 1: rid of Malon Monroe. But I couldn't do the show. Sorry.
Speaker 1: I was so fucked up that me and Tony drove
Speaker 1: there in his airstream behind us, and he had a
Speaker 1: bar in his airstream and I went too far and
Speaker 1: I mean the camera the jib was coming toward me,
Speaker 1: and it was petrifying me. We were in the dead
Speaker 1: like some not that someplace was all sand. There was
Speaker 1: fucking tarantula's by my product. Yeah, there was not no scorpion,
Speaker 1: a scorpion scorpion on my little on my black product show.
Speaker 3: I kicked it off. Then I saw a bad flying
Speaker 3: off a tumble weed. I thought it was a ghost.
Speaker 1: I was insane. They have to They never added the show,
Speaker 1: and that was the last one. Remember, I forget the
Speaker 1: guy's name. I was so I think it was Mike Done,
Speaker 1: Mike Done, Mike Done. I was sad for him because
Speaker 1: he really wanted that show, and I fucked it up.
Speaker 1: And that was the last show we did. Was Clark Gable,
Speaker 1: uh right outside of Daddy's on on whatever kawang, I
Speaker 1: think it's on. And there was no party for us,
Speaker 1: no cake, no nothing. We went into We went into Daddies.
Speaker 1: I paid for all of us to have drinks and
Speaker 1: a bunch of you have some fun and throwing napkins
Speaker 1: in the air like Greeks do, and we were all
Speaker 1: just being crazy. But he didn't even care. They taped
Speaker 1: overroller episodes they didn't give us, not even a fucking
Speaker 1: cake for Hey, thanks for the one hundred and sixty episodes.
Speaker 1: Whatever the fuck?
Speaker 4: Just shitty people, all the employees being kicked out, uh
Speaker 4: fake fire drill. No, that's horrible, man, and then never
Speaker 4: getting to say goodbye to anybody.
Speaker 2: I did say about Harold my favorite came people, you know,
Speaker 2: but everybody came. I think we all went to the Formosa.
Speaker 2: Do you remember on the day of the firing, when
Speaker 2: they fired all of us the way they did with this.
Speaker 2: We called you from the car and you're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I can't believe this happened. You guys, you
Speaker 2: knew it though, but you did know what was coming,
Speaker 2: but you didn't know it would be.
Speaker 1: That d that horrible meta Formosa. Formosa is great. Well
Speaker 1: that's that's where I lived across the street down.
Speaker 2: Right, But I know I didn't realize that Clark Gable
Speaker 2: was the last show. I don't remember what. I was
Speaker 2: in the middle of a show. They canceled the show
Speaker 2: I was on because I was doing the Edith Head episode.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we didn't get to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they canceled. Good.
Speaker 4: But it was very strange because the nine to eleven.
Speaker 4: It happened, so so soon after this, right, yeah, und
Speaker 4: right around that time, because Mysteries and Scandals was about
Speaker 4: three weeks after your show.
Speaker 2: The talk show got canceled.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was real close after very close, you know,
Speaker 4: we came back and then that happened because I remember
Speaker 4: that we had there were two camera men from E
Speaker 4: on the first plane that went into the first time.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, well I okay, so email went out.
Speaker 4: See we were we were there during nine to eleven. Okay,
Speaker 4: so we were there. We were at the because we
Speaker 4: were fired after that. Okay, So I'm getting it all
Speaker 4: kind of mixed up. But when Mysteries and Scandals was
Speaker 4: like that's it, it's over. You guys are done, they
Speaker 4: put me on another show. They put me on that
Speaker 4: revealed show.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 4: I was never more miserable in my life, so miserable
Speaker 4: to a show so vanilla like that, because I was
Speaker 4: really wanted to dig into real story and so I
Speaker 4: was kind of just making the paychecks for figuring out
Speaker 4: what to do. And that's and I knew that Anna
Speaker 4: Nicole Smith show was going to be coming our way soon.
Speaker 4: And I did work on that for about a minute.
Speaker 4: But we got an email from Mindy Herman came from
Speaker 4: the President that two cameramen were in the first plane
Speaker 4: that were Cara looked at E.
Speaker 2: That was not the way to tell employees. That you
Speaker 2: go to their offices and you tell them personally.
Speaker 4: If it takes you all day, you go to each
Speaker 4: office each show sit the people down. Because if we
Speaker 4: knew those cameramen, that's not the way that you almost
Speaker 4: bring in a therapist because we went to their funerals
Speaker 4: and you know, there's no body so and of course
Speaker 4: both of the cameramen that died wives were pregnant.
Speaker 3: It's oh god, I know hard.
Speaker 4: And I remember Richard Berenson was like, I think he
Speaker 4: was back east at the time, and you know, the
Speaker 4: planes were grounded so you couldn't fly for a little while,
Speaker 4: and he asked Mindy if he could just please rent
Speaker 4: a car to bring it back because he wanted to
Speaker 4: come back.
Speaker 2: To eat right. And then she wouldn't even let.
Speaker 4: Him be there.
Speaker 1: No fucking Mindy Herman, you know I can't tell you,
Speaker 1: you know we we I know that you feel the
Speaker 1: same at least you made me did, or you still do.
Speaker 1: But Betsy Rot, you guys had to work with Betsy,
Speaker 1: who was the executive producer, and she would look over
Speaker 1: every script and it'd always come back with her famous
Speaker 1: red ink markers to edit this, get rid of this.
Speaker 1: And I remember seeing those scripts, and I know that
Speaker 1: she was tough to deal with. Her face always turned
Speaker 1: red when you had to any kind of confrontation.
Speaker 3: On my talk show.
Speaker 1: She'd meet me at the hotel before the show and go,
Speaker 1: let me know what you're gonna ask so and so,
Speaker 1: like this is my friends. I know Dan rather, I
Speaker 1: know the model Frederic. I could say anything to that. No,
Speaker 1: I need to know what you'd ask her. She was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So I got her off that and I thought she
Speaker 1: hated me. And years go by and John Robert said,
Speaker 1: I promise you Betsy loves you. I said, she has
Speaker 1: a weird way of showing it. I went back to
Speaker 1: see you one day, walked up to the there were
Speaker 1: two big blown up pictures of me from Mysteries and
Speaker 1: scandals on a wall. So I guess you just didn't
Speaker 1: know how to deal with people or or hosts whatever.
Speaker 1: But she did like she did love the show and
Speaker 1: liked me, but she didn't know how to show it.
Speaker 1: She was so cold.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, recreate the show years later and not
Speaker 4: have the original crew come back.
Speaker 2: That's that's what she lost me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't And I remember I called her.
Speaker 4: I actually called her and said, so I hear you're
Speaker 4: doing a new Mystery and Scandals.
Speaker 2: You're not going to use any of the original crew.
Speaker 2: That's kind of odd. And I said, uh, and you're
Speaker 2: why are you.
Speaker 4: Calling it Mysteries and Scandals? Why don't you just tell
Speaker 4: it something else? Because you're not doing re enactments. You
Speaker 4: have no age day, there's no smoke machine.
Speaker 1: They changed the fun they changed the font of the words.
Speaker 1: That's all they did.
Speaker 2: That's all they did.
Speaker 4: But there they sabotaged my YouTube channel so that so
Speaker 4: that they so when people would google Mysteries and Scandals,
Speaker 4: they only wanted So that's one comes up.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I know. I can't stand her. I never liked her,
Speaker 1: and that it.
Speaker 2: Was even her fold It's like no, but it's not.
Speaker 2: It's always hard when they redo a show.
Speaker 3: That you.
Speaker 1: I would I would take someone's show if someone hired
Speaker 1: me right now for someone's old show. That I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand why she took the gig, but I u
Speaker 1: understand why he did what they did.
Speaker 3: I called him and I.
Speaker 1: Called Betsy that day when I heard, and I ripped
Speaker 1: her a new one and I said, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I said, I can't bellyeve we you know, we'd have
Speaker 1: if we all came back and redid it, all of us.
Speaker 3: Again, even even a few of us, but me as
Speaker 3: the host and a you know.
Speaker 1: And then I said, you know what, that's I'm Sicilian,
Speaker 1: I'm putting the fucking hex on this show, the hex
Speaker 1: on the fucking network. Now the network. Hexs didn't work
Speaker 1: because she made the millions. But that show ended and
Speaker 1: they take like six episodes. Maybe they did nothing. They
Speaker 1: did Michael Jackson and a few people, but it didn't hit.
Speaker 1: It didn't hold.
Speaker 2: No, it didn't hit. No. I know people want the original.
Speaker 4: And you know, when you ask me to tell people, oh,
Speaker 4: what shows did you produce tonight, say mysteries and Scar
Speaker 4: I loved that. Every time, you know, I can yeah,
Speaker 4: I can mount it when they say, I'm like, I know,
Speaker 4: loved the show.
Speaker 1: We loved it was a It was a very heavy
Speaker 1: time because I walked. I was flying a latter New
Speaker 1: York and back like every two weeks I was flying
Speaker 1: and I remember one time Joe Pesty was on a flight.
Speaker 3: He yelled out faming the bitch and I got that
Speaker 3: a lot for people.
Speaker 1: It was really cool, you.
Speaker 2: Know, did you know how? Sorry interrupt you, but you
Speaker 2: have do you have fame? And the bitch happened?
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 3: I remember they had a big meeting and no one's
Speaker 3: taking credit for it.
Speaker 1: So I did.
Speaker 3: But tell me what you heard, tell me what you are.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is a fact I was. I was
Speaker 2: working at the front desk, right and this is like
Speaker 2: ninety six ninety six ish.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the TVs are always on in my down
Speaker 4: there because we were always running e shows.
Speaker 1: Everybody watched. You kept eat on your householl day.
Speaker 2: I would just leave it on. Yeah it was Channel
Speaker 2: twenty six. I left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've got a boyfriend at the time that says,
Speaker 4: why don't you just send a resume to that place?
Speaker 2: You love this channel? If he had that, I never
Speaker 2: would be there right now.
Speaker 3: Oh, game made me do it, see wow, And.
Speaker 4: I wrote like a fake resume with jobs I really
Speaker 4: never had, and whatever I got, I got the D Gaming.
Speaker 2: Traders want that hired me. We hit it off. Right away. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so they were this isn't the infancy with E.
Speaker 4: So there wasn't twenty four hour original programming, right, So
Speaker 4: they had Melrose Place on E for a while Melrose
Speaker 4: and the commercial for Melrose Place was showing heather Locklayer
Speaker 4: and it was.
Speaker 2: The same ain't it Ain't she a bitch?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah? Saming she a bitch? Or ain't she a bitch? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Ain't she bitch?
Speaker 3: Ain't she imitch?
Speaker 4: That was the commercial that E ran. And then I
Speaker 4: think Michael said that would be perfect for to do.
Speaker 3: Like a spin on that.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, that came up with faming of the Bitch.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know that. I just I never
Speaker 1: knew the answer. So I'm like, yeah, I I came
Speaker 1: up with it because I know one time they wanted
Speaker 1: to change it to Hollywood my kind of town. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: that was it my kind of town. People.
Speaker 2: They were all in a meeting and they were throwing what.
Speaker 1: That man, the bitch is perfect? Why are we Why
Speaker 1: are we changing it?
Speaker 2: It was at commercial with the light when you can do.
Speaker 4: You have that?
Speaker 2: I had it one time.
Speaker 1: Somebody found it. I can't find it on the internet. Anywhere,
Speaker 1: but somebody found it and sent it to me. I
Speaker 1: can't That was a few phones ago. I don't have
Speaker 1: it anymore, but I wish I could. I miss it now.
Speaker 3: I used to get sick of it then, but now
Speaker 3: I miss it.
Speaker 4: If anyone who's listening, if anyone's listening to this there
Speaker 4: works this week, will you please go in the vaults
Speaker 4: and try to get some stuff for us, because I
Speaker 4: have a full interview with my father that i'd love
Speaker 4: to have.
Speaker 3: That's really special, that's really have that I'd like to have.
Speaker 2: Some of the some of the some of the ship
Speaker 2: we did. He was the talk show.
Speaker 4: I turned all the tapes in well, but but we
Speaker 4: didn't own the show, so we would, you.
Speaker 3: Know, retorted if you took the beta versions right.
Speaker 4: Of Mysteries and Scandals, Yeah, yeah, no, I don't have
Speaker 4: any beta versions.
Speaker 2: Oh I thought you took that initially, and I took
Speaker 2: VHS copies.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, they're better than nothing, I know, you know,
Speaker 4: but today with AI and the way that they record,
Speaker 4: you know, you can you can upgrade a bad VHS
Speaker 4: tape and run it through and have it a lot.
Speaker 4: I don't write word, you know, but Michael Dana Hey,
Speaker 4: God bless him, has every show on DVD, so I
Speaker 4: need to go get that from him.
Speaker 2: He moved.
Speaker 1: He's up up in northern California with his boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Yes, he said, come.
Speaker 4: Get them, and I'm going to hold them all over again.
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to put title at his Mysteries
Speaker 4: and Scandals. People are gonna have to find the show
Speaker 4: because last time I did that, they took him down.
Speaker 1: So call it like you know, don't call it this.
Speaker 1: But so many people that I've run into over in
Speaker 1: the last twenty five thirty years, mostly guys, will go,
Speaker 1: he did that show Murders and Mysteries. They always say
Speaker 1: murders and and my nephew makes fun of me because
Speaker 1: even my real I love murders and mission. It's not me.
Speaker 3: I love Sorry, that's not me.
Speaker 2: We'll call it murder.
Speaker 1: That's that's that'd be too funny because everybody thinks that's
Speaker 1: the name of it. Anyhow, all these all the time,
Speaker 1: got Murders and Mysteries.
Speaker 2: I love that show. Yeah, that is hysterical.
Speaker 1: Well listen, I mean, uh, I could talk to you
Speaker 1: all day and I know when I come I'm coming
Speaker 1: home Saturday. And then next week, Let's have dinner because
Speaker 1: it's been a long time to Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3: I'm ready. I love I've been in a long time.
Speaker 3: I love you too.
Speaker 1: Thank you Alison for reviving all these memories. It was
Speaker 1: a great time. You were by far my favorite and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you a big hand and making the show
Speaker 1: a hit. I just read the words that people wrote.
Speaker 1: But you put the ship together with Without you ain't
Speaker 1: no show.
Speaker 2: It was a team.
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, yeah, the a team. All right,
Speaker 1: I love you, don't Okay? All right, guys, that was
Speaker 1: it a j Benza. I almost said mysteries and scandalss
Speaker 1: oh my god. Uh Dailian I felt the podcast famous
Speaker 1: a bitch. August sixth, Teles six will talk tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Take care,