WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:04.879 Welcome the More Outdoors on News Talk five sixty k LVI. 2 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:08.320 This is Chester Moore and Man, the fall is here. 3 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:11.599 The white tail in southeast Texas are starting to get 4 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.439 a little bit of a running action going on. We 5 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.320 got a little waterfowl migrating in and a lot of 6 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:20.960 great stuff happening. Fall is the ultimate time, especially in 7 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:24.640 our great state of Texas, to be in the great outdoors. Now, 8 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:27.000 if you've listened to my program more than a few months, 9 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:29.839 you've probably heard my good friend Jeff Stewart. He is 10 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:34.159 an author, a cookbook author, he does TV spots, he 11 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:36.280 does all kind of crazy stuff, and he is a 12 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:39.679 outdoors expert, and we have him on the show tonight. 13 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:41.600 Welcome the More Outdoors, Jeff. 14 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:46.479 Chester. It's always my honor and pleasure to be on. Man, 15 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:51.159 it's just great to enjoy the outdoors with good people 16 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:52.640 and good friends and to talk about it. 17 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:54.679 Well, you know, you and I were just talking on 18 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:56.960 the phone as friends last night, and you said, hey, Man, 19 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:58.560 you know I was hungry tonight, so I opened the 20 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:01.240 freezer and got some red fish fullet and I said, well, 21 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:03.359 we just date deer chili a little bit. Some of 22 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:05.239 the last packet is a deer from what I killed 23 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:08.640 last year. And you know, I think that that is 24 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.519 an underrated part of the experience. I mean, I think 25 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:15.519 true outdoors lovers savor the wild game and the fish 26 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:18.239 and everything that we that we harvest in the great outdoors. 27 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:20.599 But I think to the public, they don't understand how 28 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.519 important that eating element is of what we do. 29 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:30.599 They don't because mine stems from growing up very poor 30 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:36.200 in a very rural area, and times were hard back 31 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:39.239 in the early seventies, you know, I mean it was 32 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:44.120 rough man and I remember, you know, we often had 33 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:49.519 very meager meals until Dad and I killed a deer 34 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:52.040 or caught a bunch of cat fish. 35 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:52.680 Yep. 36 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.920 And at that point in time, we got to eat 37 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.519 our fill. You know, my sisters and I'm mom would 38 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:04.560 make a big thing of a chicken fried backstraped with 39 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:10.000 gravy and potatoes and the whole spread, and you got 40 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.759 to eat as much as you wanted, or we fried 41 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:17.479 up that catfish or those craffee or brim our buffalo 42 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:20.879 or anything that we taught, and you just basically got 43 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:24.599 to eat your fill. And all of a sudden, it's like, 44 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:28.879 wait a minute, we can hunt more, we can fish more, 45 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:32.520 we can fill this freezer full, plant our garden, do 46 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:39.080 those things, and things started to get better as far 47 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:44.560 as our family went. Because at first my dad wasn't 48 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:48.199 a great big hunter. He hunted early in life and 49 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:51.120 stuff like that. But you know, East Texas seven in 50 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:53.159 the seventies, there weren't a lot of deer. 51 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:53.840 No, not at all. 52 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:59.120 As the seventies progressed, of seventy eight seventy nine, eighty 53 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.840 deer already coming back pretty sick. Texta, parks and wildlife 54 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.479 were doing some great things. Deer started coming back, and 55 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:08.759 all of a sudden you could start putting more deer 56 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:12.960 on the table. So it really became an integral part 57 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:19.479 of my life that hunting meant phosphorous times. Hunting meant 58 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:22.919 good times with the family. It meant being around the 59 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:27.759 table laughing and eating and telling stories. It meant being 60 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:31.000 down at our deer camp with friends and family, laughing 61 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:34.039 and eating and telling stories. So it became a such 62 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:37.479 an integral part that this game hunting was so much 63 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:40.520 fun because not only did you get to go enjoy 64 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:44.159 all of the aspects of hunting, from mowing and bush 65 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:51.159 hogging and planting green patches and doing those things, setting 66 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:54.479 up stands, which was fun time with my dad, to 67 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:58.960 the cooking with my mom. I learned to cook with her, 68 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.360 and it was just it just meant family fun time. 69 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:05.719 And then then with my own children and my own family, 70 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:10.719 it has always meant family time, quality time. It's meant 71 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:14.719 time in the outdoors. It has meant good goss. 72 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:17.959 For yeah, you know, and for me it's very similar. 73 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:20.519 We're very close in age and everything. You lived in 74 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:23.399 sort of central East Texas and I live in the 75 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:27.920 southeast corner. And that oil industry bust in the late 76 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:33.079 seventies early eighties was early impactful, and I remember us 77 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.439 going to fish on the side of the road, throwing 78 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:38.839 a cast that to catch bait, and whatever we caught 79 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:41.439 was what we were probably gonna eat that week. And 80 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:44.240 we were hoping that bt big old alligator garfish, because 81 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.759 a big old alligator gar you can get five or 82 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:50.240 six good meals off that sucker, or a bunch of 83 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:52.000 drum or some catfish and. 84 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:54.079 The freshwater bayou systems around here. 85 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.800 But it wasn't like I was upset because we had 86 00:04:58.839 --> 00:05:02.040 to settle on a fi or wild game. I loved 87 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:04.279 eating it and always do. And the first time I 88 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:07.680 got to kill a deer was in nineteen eighty six, 89 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:10.839 right after Christmas, like December twenty seventh that year, because 90 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:13.160 we went on the dailies out of the Texas hill 91 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:16.360 country and the deer was so low in southeast Texas 92 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:18.079 at that point. I had never seen a white tail 93 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:20.879 until we turned off a highway seventy ten to seventy 94 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.160 one US like forty in a oat field by Columbus 95 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:27.240 and thought I'd entered the promised land and kill the 96 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.199 dough And I got to get eat deer chili out 97 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:32.399 of my dough I shot, and of course the bax 98 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:38.480 trap chicken fried, and that was just a real celebration moment, 99 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:41.839 you know. And I think that the public, if the 100 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:47.560 hunting and fishing community, could better communicate that some of 101 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.839 the most important part of a hunt is what you 102 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:53.759 do with the meat or the catch. If you don't 103 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:57.160 catch your release, what you do with that is the 104 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:00.319 most important part, and honestly, in a private level at 105 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:02.040 home is the most celebrated. 106 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:06.240 Part, right And you know, here's a good thing that 107 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.199 people don't think about catching release. Catching relief is a 108 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:17.160 good thing for certain species, but not all species fish absolutely. Now, 109 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:19.959 I do regulated catching relief. 110 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:25.439 I if I catch catfish, I keep catfish that are 111 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:30.439 generally between that eight to ten inch mark and the 112 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:32.759 five pounds mark. 113 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.480 Once they get over about five pounds or so, I 114 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.399 let them go. They're not as good eating fish, even 115 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:40.560 though they're still delicious, they're not as good as the 116 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.480 smaller one. And they put those are your egg producers, man, 117 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.000 those are the ones that have a million eggs in 118 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.920 their belly, you know. I see people holding up these 119 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:53.879 fifty sixty pound blue cat one hundred pound blue cats even, 120 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:57.079 and they're they're, oh, we taught this blue cat. I'm like, 121 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:58.839 what are you gonna do with it? Oh, we're gonna 122 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:00.160 eat it. And I'm like, why. 123 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:02.160 Exactly? 124 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.000 Because that you should have turned that, you know, catch 125 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:08.079 those smaller fish and eat them. But I turned those 126 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:09.600 bigger ones back. Yeah. 127 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:15.040 And with redfish, you know, like, yeah, I haven't kept 128 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:17.319 and over the slot red fish in twenty years. 129 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:19.240 Until about two weeks ago. 130 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:22.519 I was out trying to catch big gar and I 131 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:24.319 have because a gar will mess with your line for 132 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:26.519 like twenty minutes sometimes before he decided to take it. 133 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:28.800 I thought it was a guar just pecking on end 134 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.000 up being a redfish that had swallowed it, and it 135 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.240 had bled out pretty much by the time I got 136 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.680 it in and was just kind of still. So I 137 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:38.720 went ahead and tagged in oversized red legally, but I 138 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:41.720 always just keep the slot reds, never use my trophy tag. 139 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:44.839 And same thing with catfish. I don't do as much 140 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:46.680 catfish as I used to, but those like you know, 141 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:50.040 three to six pound catfish or primo man and let 142 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:51.000 those big ones bring it. 143 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.439 That's my big thing. My biggest blue cat that I 144 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:01.279 caught was around the seventy four pound seventy five pound mark. 145 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:06.600 And my largest largest uh what we call them op, 146 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:09.800 which is a flathead, but we call them ops. The 147 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:13.040 largest ops that I caught weighed up close to eighty 148 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.920 five eighty six pounds somewhere in that area. And I 149 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:19.439 was a young man whenever I caughtee fish, you know, 150 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:23.279 I'm talking back in the mid eighties when I caught them, 151 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:29.639 and I kept them, and we cleaned them and trimmed 152 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:31.839 all your double file at them, trimmed all the fat 153 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:33.919 we put off of them, and then tried to eat them. 154 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:37.799 And they weren't very tasty. They're not not as compared 155 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:40.519 to what I was used to eating, and those those 156 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:44.519 you know, foundries and stuff. And from that point on, 157 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.799 my dad and I said, you know, even though the 158 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.679 ops are better eating as a bigger fish. 159 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:54.200 There, but they're definitely better eating as a bigger fish 160 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.960 in a blue. 161 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.279 So we decided we're going to turn those back. You know, 162 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.240 we're for fixing to turn those a loop back into 163 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:04.519 the river, but we're going Now. Texas has changed its 164 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:10.559 regulation and we're those size limits on those fish, and 165 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:14.960 you can keep the smaller fish, more of the smaller 166 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.919 fish and less of the bigger fish. And I really 167 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:24.879 support that change. I'm not big on being too strict 168 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.039 on sportsmen with their stuff, but I think that was 169 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:32.159 a good move because I think those bigger catfish need 170 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:37.080 to breathe, they need to be our brood stock, and 171 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:39.559 that's gonna work out better for all of us. Yeah. 172 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.200 I agree with that totally, Jeff. And it's a great 173 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.840 conservation move. And allowing the smaller side allows that family 174 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.720 fishing from the bank on some pier or in some 175 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:51.879 gully somewhere to have a chance to bring some fish 176 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:54.679 home and enjoy the harvest and things like that. And 177 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:56.720 we come back on More out There're gonna talk more 178 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:03.399 about celebrating the harvest with Jeff Stewart. Welcome back to 179 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:06.200 More Outdoors on News Talk five sixty KLV, where we 180 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:08.120 think you're weird if you don't like the outdoors, and 181 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:09.879 I really mean that. I mean you don't have to 182 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.120 like dig, fishing and hunting. But if you don't like 183 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:15.080 watching a beautiful sunrise over the mountains, or you know, 184 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:17.639 going to a beach and seeing the beauty of the 185 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.039 Gulf of Mexico, you might want to get checked out. 186 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.759 Something very well could be wrong. And if you want 187 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.120 to celebrate the outdoors more, you can also check out 188 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:29.679 More Outdoors podcast KALVI dot com. Go the podcasting the 189 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.120 top of the page, go back and listen to the archives. 190 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:36.080 Also check it out via the iHeartRadio app and follow 191 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:40.080 my blog at Higher Calling dot net, my instagram at 192 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:44.200 the Chester More and Higher Calling Wildlife on Facebook. Jeff 193 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:46.039 and I are talking about celebrating the harvest, kind of 194 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:49.519 rounded up, talking about catfish regulations, catch and release for 195 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:53.759 the bigger breeder size fish and things like that. And 196 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:56.639 you mentioned the interesting fish a lot of people don't 197 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:59.120 know is very edible, and that's the buffalo. Tell us 198 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:00.720 about your experience eating buffalo. 199 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:05.600 Buffalo happens to be one of my favorite fish to 200 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:10.879 eat in the entire fresh or salt water. And people say, man, 201 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:14.279 you're crazy with coffee and brim and everything else floating around. 202 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.840 I'm like, look, I grew up on try eating trash 203 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:22.200 fish because you could go down while I lived right 204 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:26.279 across the border from Louisiana, and the netting was legal 205 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:27.799 in the Louisiana and all you had to do was 206 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.399 buy your Louisiana license and we could set out hook 207 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:35.720 net in the river. Will you know buffalo? We would 208 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.919 catch buffalo and bring them in and we would cut 209 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:41.039 those ribs out of those buffalo and that's what you 210 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:42.120 eat on a buffalo. 211 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:45.639 Ribs, ribs, Yeah, and eating it would. 212 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.159 We oh my gosh. Then we would fry those buffalo 213 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:52.279 ribs up and eat them. And it became quickly one 214 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.399 of my favorite fish. And people don't notice. But at 215 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:59.559 one time I had the number three black buffalo in 216 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:03.240 the state of text Cool. I shot at bowfish and 217 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:04.799 weigh sixty eight Paul. 218 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.320 That's people, get monster. I've been on a raven bass 219 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:12.159 fishing before. And seen buffalo moving in the shallows and 220 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:14.639 I was like, is that a carp Nope, that's a 221 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:18.200 monster buffalo. And my memory is a buffalo. Where as 222 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:21.320 a kid, there was a fish market here in Orange 223 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:24.080 and you know, I love you know, my version of 224 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.080 that is the garfish. I mean, we grew up garfish 225 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:30.480 because garfish is freeing excellent and not just as a garball. 226 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:33.600 Just fried garfish is great, and grill garfish is great. 227 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:38.519 But if you like redfish yep, or an our good 228 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:41.960 saltwater fish like black drum red fish, something like that, 229 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:47.320 the garfish of our fresh water fish has the closest 230 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:52.799 texture and taste of meat to a good quality salt 231 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:53.440 water fish. 232 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:55.679 Yep, you're right about that, man, I love it. And 233 00:12:55.679 --> 00:13:00.679 I saw this sign it said gar do and buffalo 234 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:04.440 for sale. Well, my like seven year old self knew 235 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:08.480 what a gar was and goo was spelled goo on the. 236 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:12.360 Side, and I was a little fish to that, you know, 237 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:13.360 I was like, what are they selling? 238 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.480 And then buffalo and in my mind I thought it 239 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.559 was at first, you know, bison me. Then I went 240 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.320 hunt on second, it's a fish market. Oh there's a 241 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.000 buffalo fish. And then I made my mom pull over 242 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:27.720 and I went in there and like interrogated him as 243 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:29.120 a seven year old, like what do you got here? 244 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:29.360 You know? 245 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.360 And it was buffalo. And I looked at the fish. 246 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:34.120 They had some fish there that they brought in. And 247 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:36.840 then the gas. It was gasper goof freshwater drum, which 248 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.320 is also good to eat, by the way. So I 249 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.600 think it's interesting to open people's minds to these different 250 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.639 kinds of different kinds of stuff to eat, you know, 251 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:50.279 because the harvest is very very important to look. Man, 252 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:53.039 Look if anybody sees the world we're living in now 253 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:55.159 and thinks we're going to go back to the glory 254 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:57.480 days of the fifties and leave it to beaver, you're 255 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:01.639 out of your mind. There is hard times coming, and 256 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.519 hard times are here for a lot of people. 257 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:03.919 I know. 258 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:06.159 We don't like to say that, you know, but it's true. 259 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:09.039 And being able to harvest and understand that there's some 260 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:12.799 good quality meats out there and fish are very abundant 261 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:15.159 in many many locations. I think it's an important thing. 262 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.240 Plus it you know, who just wants to eat beef, 263 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:21.600 pork and chicken, You know there's other stuff out there, 264 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:21.840 you know. 265 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.000 So and we're gonna he and you. 266 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.799 Don't only go ahead, I was just gonna say, you 267 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:29.759 don't have and you don't have to be rich to fish. No, 268 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:35.120 you literally can go down to your local department store 269 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:41.480 and buy a rod and real combination that comes with 270 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:44.159 a little tackle box with some brim, hooks and different 271 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.240 things in there. You can literally buy one of those 272 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:49.480 for ten twelve bucks, yep. And you can buy a 273 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:53.200 box of worms for four dollars or dig them out 274 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:55.480 of your own yard or whatever. And you can go 275 00:14:55.559 --> 00:15:01.120 to almost any city park that has a pond, city lake, 276 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:05.559 bigger lakes, if you live near creeks. Even I grew 277 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:08.440 up fishing creeks, I could go down to a creek 278 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:11.720 with a just a roll of string in my pocket, 279 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:17.799 some hooks, and a couple of bobbers and could catch 280 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:21.759 twenty five or thirty brim Most of them were, you know, 281 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:26.080 probably two or three fingers long. But I would scale them, 282 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:29.960 build a fire, put them on a stick, and roast 283 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.399 them right there and eat them right there as a kid. 284 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:37.159 And there's you know, there's nothing better than doing something 285 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:41.440 like that. But you don't have to buy a you know, 286 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:46.679 twenty thousand dollars boat you don't have to have a 287 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.279 fancy full wheel drive truck. You don't have to have 288 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.840 a seven or eight hundred dollars rifle. You don't have 289 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.519 to have a thousand acres of property that's private, or 290 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:57.000 you don't have to do all of these things in 291 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:57.879 order to fish. 292 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:01.559 Yep, that's I call fishing the equalizer in sport, in 293 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.320 the sporting realm, because you know, you may be a 294 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.080 star football player in high school. Maybe you get to 295 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:09.480 college and a few get to the pros, but you're 296 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.840 done by thirty five, unless you're Tom Brady or whatever. 297 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.960 You know, but you know, and you can fish to 298 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.600 your one hundred your whole life, you know, And that's 299 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:23.679 that's a wonderful, beautiful thing and celebrating that harvest. Now 300 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:28.399 you mentioned you like buffalo. What is the favorite fish? 301 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:30.879 Let's say, I know you have your local favorites, but 302 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.399 maybe you've eaten something more exotic or something special. What's 303 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:36.159 your very favorite fish you've ever eaten? 304 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.519 Oh my gosh, man, my very favorite fish that I 305 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:43.360 ever ate is halibate caliban. 306 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:46.200 Okay, cool, cold. 307 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:50.639 Cold water. Gentleman that I worked with in the coal 308 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:54.000 mines many years ago. Every year he and his son 309 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:58.200 would go fishing for halibate up in like a last 310 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.200 or somewhere, I'm not sure where they went, and every 311 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:05.799 year he would bring me back vacuum sealed packages of 312 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:08.880 this fish. And the first time I ever cooked it, 313 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:11.200 I would afford to you that I put a chicken 314 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.680 breast on the grill because the texture of the meat 315 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:20.200 was more like like meat. It was more like chicken 316 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:22.480 or pork or beef or something. It had that real 317 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:30.640 meaty texture. It wasn't fishy. And we ended up after 318 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:33.839 I cooked the first batch of it, fried it like fish, 319 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.519 you know, corn meal and stuff, and I didn't really 320 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:39.000 like it as much that way. Then the next batch 321 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:43.480 I cut up, marinated it like I would chicken breast 322 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:48.640 in a little bit of lime, juice and different things, 323 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.880 different seasons. And then I battered it just like chicken, 324 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.759 egg buttermilk, then flour, and then back in the egg 325 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.359 and buttermilk, and then flour again, put a big thick coating, 326 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:02.440 put it in the oil, brought it to that golden brown, 327 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:04.839 and then I was like, oh my goodness, I have 328 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:07.640 found my favorite tea. Man. 329 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:08.240 I love it. 330 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:11.680 I've eaten halibut at a restaurant and really really liked 331 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:13.319 it a lot, but I know it wasn't as good 332 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.000 as like that vacuum sealed personally caught stuff, you know, 333 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:19.240 And and one of my dreams is to go. I 334 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.319 have a buddy of mine, Lee Leshper. He's was an 335 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.880 out there writer here in Texas. Moved to Alaska one 336 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:25.759 a few menu. I'm jealous of on the planet because 337 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.880 his fishing photos blow my mind. He was fly fishing 338 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:30.880 for halibate. They were chumming up, and I'm like, that's 339 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:34.920 not even fair. But the favorite fish I've ever eaten, 340 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:36.400 like you know, that I've caught. It was kind of 341 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:40.480 a special thing or whatever is peacock bass, believe it 342 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:43.039 or not. When I was in Venezuela back in ninety 343 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:45.440 nine on Lake Goury fishing for peacock bass, we were 344 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:48.440 releasing most of the fish. But every night they would 345 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.839 tell we had like six boats out fishing. Everybody keep 346 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:54.480 one or two peacocks between like three and five pounds, 347 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:57.799 So everybody keep one. They cook them different ways, and 348 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:00.960 I didn't find a way that the peacock bass was 349 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:03.799 it epic, my favorite. They grilled it and put some 350 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:05.880 like lime juice and stuff kind of like you described 351 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.000 on it best fish I ever ate. And I was 352 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:11.240 talking to my buddy, Gerald Swindle, a bass Master Elite 353 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:13.079 Series pro, two time Angler of the Year. Loved that 354 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:15.839 guy one day and we're talking about favorite fish. He 355 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:18.720 said mine was peacock bass. He goes, man, I forgot 356 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.440 how good that was. I ate peacock bass too. So 357 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:25.160 just now in terms of locally, like something you're gonna 358 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:28.920 catch in Texas Louisiana, what's your favorite fresh water and 359 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:30.359 favorite saltwater that I'll give you mine. 360 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:35.680 I'm gonna blow somebody's mind here with this one, because 361 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:38.680 there's gonna be people out there that say, with all 362 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:40.799 the things you can choose, why would you choose that. 363 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:44.640 I'll tell you what, Jeff Grinnel, We're gonna stop right there, 364 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.440 and when we come back on More Outdoors, we're gonna 365 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:52.599 talk why in the green heck Jeff Stewart chose a 366 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:56.759 grinnel over a crappie and a bunch of other stuff. 367 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:59.039 You're all gonna hear this stuff here on More Outdoors. 368 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.359 We'll talk more Jeff when we come back. Welcome back 369 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.000 to More Outdoors on News Talk five sixty KLV. I 370 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.839 got my good friend Jeff Stewart. We're talking about celebrating 371 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:11.079 the harvest. We've been kind of camping on fish. We're 372 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:12.720 gonna talk fish a little bit more and shift over 373 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:16.000 to some game. I ask you your favorite fish and 374 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:16.960 fresh and salt water. 375 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:18.519 You gave me a grinnel. 376 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:20.880 Give me a quick explanation of why, because most people 377 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.440 don't think of a grinnel. Also caught a shoe pick, 378 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:25.960 a dog fish, a mud. I've heard them called a 379 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:31.960 mud marlin. Why they're such a good eating fish? 380 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:35.240 Growing up, we never ate them because if you try 381 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:38.519 to fry them, they turned a mush at first, and 382 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:41.359 then as the meat cools, it turns to cotton. Yep, 383 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:45.000 that texture. They just never were good until I learned 384 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:50.559 how to fix them. And the way I was caught. 385 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:54.200 You take that fish and you filey it, and then 386 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:57.680 you take a spoon because their meat is very very soft, yeah, 387 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:01.240 and you scrape all the meat off of the bone, 388 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:05.319 off of everything, and you put it into a bowl. 389 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:09.680 You season that up. You mix green onion, you mix 390 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:12.200 a little bell pepper in there with it. You mix 391 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.359 a little bit of your favorite seasoning in there, whether 392 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:18.640 it be just salt pepper or a Cajun type seasoning 393 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:21.680 or something I like, something a little spicy in mind. 394 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:25.079 And then you take and you mix a few breadcrumbs 395 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:28.119 with that, you make a ball out of it. You 396 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:31.920 take that ball and you flower it on the outside. 397 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:34.480 You drop it down in your oil and you brown 398 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:36.960 it just a little bit. You pull that out, then 399 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:43.839 you take it make a root. You add your onion, bell, 400 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:49.400 pepper and celery, your trinity to it. Then you make 401 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:52.480