Speaker 1: Welcome Friends, Come podcast podcasting time.
Speaker 2: Jack Again, Bryan, they're talking.
Speaker 3: To Welcome to movie Film. It's episode three fifteen, brought
Speaker 3: to you by Mister Boy Productions and on behalf of
Speaker 3: my partner Brian Home. My name is Zachie Hassan, and
Speaker 3: I want to wish everybody a happy Superman Day to
Speaker 3: all who celebrate Brian. Yes, sir, how has Superman affected
Speaker 3: your life today today?
Speaker 2: Well, frankly, I've I've always enjoyed Superman, but I associate
Speaker 2: him honestly with you mainly most people do, Yeah, in
Speaker 2: the past several years. So it's it's something that I
Speaker 2: you know, I really enjoy the character, and I enjoy
Speaker 2: the films. I don't revisit them as much as I do,
Speaker 2: you know, like Batman and some other things. But like,
Speaker 2: i have a real fondness for Superman and I'm always
Speaker 2: rooting for Superman in his movies because I yeah, like
Speaker 2: I said, he makes me think of you and I
Speaker 2: want you to be happy.
Speaker 3: Well, well, I will see what happens in the next
Speaker 3: couple months. Yeah, I don't know how this was determined
Speaker 3: to be a Superman Day.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna ask, Yeah, this is April eighteenth.
Speaker 3: April eighteenth, in honor of Action Comics first issue on
Speaker 3: April eighteenth, nineteen thirty eight.
Speaker 2: Got It, Got It?
Speaker 3: Look at that makes sense?
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you had a chance to see this.
Speaker 3: They released a little behind the scenes featurette just about
Speaker 3: the new film where James Gunn and all the various
Speaker 3: other folks talking about, you know, why they embraced Superman
Speaker 3: as their lord and savior. I found it quite moving.
Speaker 2: And we're like and also a happy good Friday. So
Speaker 2: we're going to begin by talking about Wait, so, is
Speaker 2: there can some sort of like dessert or food or
Speaker 2: something that like Superman likes or Clark Kent likes where
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well today, I'll go have like a
Speaker 2: brownie Sunday, Because there is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as a matter of fact, there's like a oh gosh,
Speaker 3: what is it. It's like a beef something or other strogan
Speaker 3: off beef no beef beef beef bersion has that O
Speaker 3: it's pronounced I don't know b o u r g
Speaker 3: u y g n O N beef.
Speaker 2: Version on borgaon. Okay, I'm seeing the first thing that
Speaker 2: comes up is a Julia Child recipe.
Speaker 3: That's right, So that is that is Superman's favorite dish.
Speaker 2: I can see it kind of like a stew looking Okay,
Speaker 2: it looks good.
Speaker 3: Yep, Superman went in doubt. Just kill a cow for Superman.
Speaker 2: He goes out with his laser eyes.
Speaker 3: Just just if you want to pay homage to Superman,
Speaker 3: just just murder a cow on his behalf.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's funny.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so hey, you know that movie is coming
Speaker 3: in a couple of months. I am excited because you know,
Speaker 3: now the hype train is starting to roll out. We're
Speaker 3: seeing the toys are starting to show up and the
Speaker 3: like the pre listings and stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, it's exciting. And by the way, speaking, I
Speaker 2: actually was going to bring this up because I thought
Speaker 2: this was a random fact. But speaking of murdering animals.
Speaker 3: If I had a nickel for every time Brian starts
Speaker 3: a conversation that way, well.
Speaker 2: No, I saw this thing on Reddit and I thought
Speaker 2: it was so interesting. I screen grabbed it and I
Speaker 2: was going to bring it up. But this is I'm
Speaker 2: now reading the headline and says today I learned Chilean
Speaker 2: sea bass was nearly fished into extinction after its appearance
Speaker 2: in the lunch scene in Jurassic Park. So after that
Speaker 2: movie came out, it elevated you know, the I guess
Speaker 2: Chilean sea bass, and then it was so sought after
Speaker 2: that it was nearly fished into extinction. But here's a
Speaker 2: fun fact. This is the top comment I have to
Speaker 2: give them credit. It says the Chilean sea bass is
Speaker 2: neither a bass nor Chilean. They just named it that
Speaker 2: to sound fancy because no one was buying it. It's
Speaker 2: actually called the Patagonian toot fish. It's very ugly and
Speaker 2: it's why you only ever see it. Fill aid.
Speaker 3: So all of that is true. Everything you just said
Speaker 3: is true.
Speaker 2: I googled it. I've found this from other sources as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is I mean, you know you could. It's like
Speaker 2: you have to look at evidence and put it all
Speaker 2: together for the Jurassic Park timeline of it all, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it tracks.
Speaker 2: And that is kind of interesting that it's neither Chilean
Speaker 2: or a sea bass, because it does sound. I've seen
Speaker 2: it on menus since and in my mind, I'm like, ooh,
Speaker 2: Chilean sea bass. This is some fancy establishment, you know.
Speaker 2: But I just thought, you know, a little extra wrinkle
Speaker 2: for your brain.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that we should spare no expense
Speaker 3: to use DNA technology to make sure it doesn't go extinct.
Speaker 3: But now that I find out it's been lying about
Speaker 3: its identity, it'sf that sea bass, right right? If that
Speaker 3: ugly ass.
Speaker 2: Fish, it does look tasty in that scene, I I
Speaker 2: we'll give it that.
Speaker 3: Well, they did spare no expense, that's true.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: What else? What else is going on?
Speaker 2: Well, I have to bring this up. Indiana Jones in
Speaker 2: the Great Circle. The video game just was released this
Speaker 2: week on PlayStation five.
Speaker 3: Oh it's out, Okay, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: He did. Yeah, so it's it came out I want
Speaker 2: to say in December or something on Xbox. That's right,
Speaker 2: And I know you and I have been patiently waiting
Speaker 2: for it to be on the platform that we own.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, that's my plans this weekend, Like I have,
Speaker 2: you know, like an Easter lunch and everything, and then
Speaker 2: everything else is just plopping on the couch and diving
Speaker 2: into that game.
Speaker 3: And I can't wait.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited.
Speaker 3: So I had no idea was out, but I'm ordering
Speaker 3: it as we speak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh great, yeah, I yeah, I came out yesterday.
Speaker 2: I downloaded it immediately.
Speaker 3: So when it comes to video games, would you do
Speaker 3: for PS five games, do you think it's better to
Speaker 3: have the physical media or to just get the digital download?
Speaker 2: All right, I'm laughing because my mom and I just
Speaker 2: had a conversation this week about how we take forever
Speaker 2: to make decisions, and literally yesterday I was going back
Speaker 2: and forth over and over and doing all these Google
Speaker 2: deep dives about like I don't know future proofings exactly it,
Speaker 2: but like, what's the best long term method of yeah,
Speaker 2: buying a video game? Because if you if disk drives
Speaker 2: eventually are you know, phased out in the PS six
Speaker 2: or something, Well, then I have this hard disk and
Speaker 2: I'll probably have to buy some sort of extension disk
Speaker 2: drive or something, which would be annoying.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to know.
Speaker 2: If you buy a digital copy, does that mean no
Speaker 2: matter how far you move forward, as long as you
Speaker 2: if your PlayStation account, you own it, right. But then
Speaker 2: of course if something happens with licensing, then it just
Speaker 2: disappears and you don't own it, you know. So it
Speaker 2: really is this debate online and people have different opinions.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you I chose digital and it's the first
Speaker 2: digital game I've ever bought. And the reason was I
Speaker 2: got really sidetracked with Spider Man two, and I've gotten
Speaker 2: back into it recently, and it's in the disk drive.
Speaker 2: And like I'm going to sound like a complete a hole,
Speaker 2: it just is the way it is. Yeah, it annoys
Speaker 2: me having to walk over there and put the disc
Speaker 2: in the but who cares whatever it's in there. But
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, I don't want to take Spider Man
Speaker 2: out and then put Indiana Jones back in and take
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones out put Spider Man. So if I get
Speaker 2: the digital Indiana Jones, which you know, apparently best case scenario,
Speaker 2: I'll be able to pull down for my digital locker
Speaker 2: for years to come. I can keep Spider Man disc
Speaker 2: in the console and then I can switch over to
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones digital game, and coexists between those two games,
Speaker 2: you know, easily.
Speaker 3: And so I admire how much you've thought I was
Speaker 3: gonna say.
Speaker 2: I mean that, I hope maybe is proof that I'm
Speaker 2: not lying.
Speaker 3: I gave this a lot of thought. Do you have
Speaker 3: like drawings on a whiteboard.
Speaker 2: And like that Charlie Day always sunny. Mean, yeah, but
Speaker 2: that that's what I ultimately went with. And it was
Speaker 2: also kind of an experiment, like all right, well I
Speaker 2: haven't done this, so let's see. It's like future future
Speaker 2: proof you gotta you know, I guess, I mean, what
Speaker 2: are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: Uh? Well, now I don't know. I was about to
Speaker 3: order the disc, but suddenly I'm I'm questioning everything. I'm
Speaker 3: wondering what happens. What if aliens invade and set off
Speaker 3: an EMP pulse, rendering all of our technology obsolete and
Speaker 3: we're in kind of a Battlefield Earth esque scenario. What
Speaker 3: if I want to play Indiana Jungle in the Great Circle.
Speaker 3: Then That's what I'm saying. How do I proof against that?
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is don't rule out that scenario. All
Speaker 2: the people out there who are like digital diehards.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah I do. Hear. I hear that
Speaker 3: a lot. I serious, Like, people state this seriously. Oh
Speaker 3: I buy my stuff digitally? Oh well I by physical?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well, what are you gonna do this? This
Speaker 3: is from the physical media people. What are you gonna
Speaker 3: do if, like, uh, the Internet goes out and and
Speaker 3: all the technology stops working, and I'm like, it is,
Speaker 3: I mean, it is still technology. They like, how do
Speaker 3: you think you're gonna play the disc?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? Right? Right?
Speaker 3: Right? Do you think you're gonna spin it on your finger? Like,
Speaker 3: like we should all plan for the potentiality of none
Speaker 3: of this working anymore at all.
Speaker 2: I think that makes complete sense. I will say for me,
Speaker 2: it was about convenience and also possible future proofing where
Speaker 2: it feels like we're on the cusp now, like the
Speaker 2: last days of hard disk drives.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's that's depressing you saying that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was very close to getting the disc
Speaker 2: because I also thought, well, you know, if I want
Speaker 2: to loan to my brother or something, you know, when
Speaker 2: I've done and you know, another case people make is
Speaker 2: for resale if you want to do that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, you can at least make some of
Speaker 3: your money back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I didn't think that all this time. I
Speaker 2: wasted internally in my brain going over these things would
Speaker 2: be content for today's episode.
Speaker 3: Who'd a thunk? Right? So sometimes we just go down
Speaker 3: these abnues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can't wait to play. I mean it
Speaker 2: opens people who've already played already know this but it opens.
Speaker 2: You know, usually a game has to teach you the mechanics,
Speaker 2: so they'll put you through sort of a generic scenario
Speaker 2: where you get to figure out how to draw your
Speaker 2: gun or how to duck or how to whatever. And
Speaker 2: the version of that in this game is playing through
Speaker 2: the opening of Raiders of the Lost Arc. Wow, which
Speaker 2: is freaking awesome. Interesting, this is the game we've been long.
Speaker 2: It made me think of that Raiders Atari game where
Speaker 2: it's literally just five cubes, you know, going from left
Speaker 2: to right on the screen, and you're like, like, this
Speaker 2: is the game we've been waiting for, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well I was thinking about that, like, like, we're
Speaker 3: finally at a point where these licensed video games can
Speaker 3: reflect somewhat of the experience that we would have liked
Speaker 3: to have ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and also give us uh new stories and
Speaker 2: universes we love. I mean, this may be the best
Speaker 2: way to tell another Indiana Jones story at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and from from what I understand from reviews, people think
Speaker 2: it does sit comfortably beside their favorite film.
Speaker 3: So andro okay, well to me, continued then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I actually I look forward to yeah, talking
Speaker 2: about it as we go through it.
Speaker 3: Well, what else you got.
Speaker 2: Saw a couple of things here. I'll just say real quick,
Speaker 2: I saw the movie Drop okay, which came out I
Speaker 2: think last week, and.
Speaker 3: It dropped at the box office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which you know, which is.
Speaker 3: Which is terrible. Obviously we don't we don't wish. No.
Speaker 2: No, it's a perfectly fine, like real time thriller. I
Speaker 2: you know. The plot for people who don't know, it's
Speaker 2: basically this, A widow goes on a first date, okay,
Speaker 2: and so she's getting back out there. She has a
Speaker 2: young son at home. You know, this is kind of
Speaker 2: a you know, a high stakes emotionally thing for her.
Speaker 2: And then in the middle of her dinner, she starts
Speaker 2: getting these air drops basically I mean this is in
Speaker 2: the trailer, but basically saying she needs to accomplish these
Speaker 2: tasks and eventually kill her date or they will hurt
Speaker 2: her son and so oh and you can't tell the guy,
Speaker 2: you know, So she's having to carry out all it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's like phone Booth or one of those
Speaker 2: movies where it takes place in one location and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of like weird things she has to do,
Speaker 2: and she has to be awkward in front of people
Speaker 2: just to get this stuff done. And it's by Christopher Landon.
Speaker 2: That was the big selling point for me because I
Speaker 2: really love the Happy Death Date.
Speaker 3: Happy Death Day, that's right.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of those. Those are really fun, inventive,
Speaker 2: original like horror comedies. And he was supposed to do
Speaker 2: the next Scream film and then that all kind of
Speaker 2: fell apart. So yeah, he was the main draw for me, honestly,
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I would say it's it totally.
Speaker 2: It's totally fun and does the trick, but we'll probably
Speaker 2: fade from your memory the second it ends, which is
Speaker 2: not the worst thing, you know, especially for a movie
Speaker 2: like this, Like this is just a ninety minute diversion
Speaker 2: and I don't think it like raises the bar in
Speaker 2: this genre necessarily, but it is fun and uncomfortable and
Speaker 2: you're like, you know, what will she do? And who
Speaker 2: can you trust? And yeah, my friend and I watched it.
Speaker 2: We both were like, yeah, that was fun. We talked
Speaker 2: about it for about five minutes and then we moved on.
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, I think it's not even you know,
Speaker 2: a bad things, that's just what this is. This movie
Speaker 2: does the trick, so you know, and something else that
Speaker 2: was kind of interesting I wanted to bring up was
Speaker 2: this is the first movie I've seen in a really
Speaker 2: long time where the theater was full. Oh wow, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the box office didn't really like that, but my theater
Speaker 2: was full. Like I was right next to somebody and
Speaker 2: people were laughing and you know, together, and I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I forgot how fun this is?
Speaker 3: You know? Were they were they throwing popcorn at the
Speaker 3: screen and uh, with live chickens, you know, in their hands. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: none of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've a thought on that one. But now,
Speaker 2: you know, it becomes sort of this cliche talking point
Speaker 2: about trying to save the theaters. Not cliche, but it's
Speaker 2: just sort of like, there's nothing like the magic of
Speaker 2: you know, the lights dimming and being in a room
Speaker 2: full of strangers and participating in.
Speaker 3: Srea John Nicole Kidman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, there really is something to that.
Speaker 2: There's a real energy and it adds something to the experience.
Speaker 2: And it was it was kind of fun doing that.
Speaker 3: But what what theater was? It was it like a
Speaker 3: was it like a what do you call it? Almo
Speaker 3: draft house type thing?
Speaker 2: Or no, it was the Regal. I always go to
Speaker 2: the Regal.
Speaker 3: Just like a regular Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is interesting because it kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's sort of I remember when Steven Spielberg and
Speaker 2: George Lucas predicted the fate of movie theaters about ten
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, and they are absolutely correct where they
Speaker 2: said it's going to become less of a you know
Speaker 2: you go see everything and more of the bigger budgeted,
Speaker 2: you know, like blockbustering movies like that's gonna be it.
Speaker 2: Those are the only things that people are going to
Speaker 2: show up for, and it's going to be a tricky time.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I'm seeing happen. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'll go some nights to go see something and there's nobody,
Speaker 2: and then you know, I'll go another night and then
Speaker 2: it's packed and there's a huge line for the concessions
Speaker 2: and you just kind of can't predict it in a way.
Speaker 2: And I don't know. In my theater, it's the Regal
Speaker 2: and Sherman Oaks and it's remodeling, ok And I'm like, okay, cool, cool,
Speaker 2: I'm cool with that, but also like, don't overextend yourself
Speaker 2: if I don't want you to go away, you know,
Speaker 2: so whatever's the best use of your money. I'm happy,
Speaker 2: I'm stappy you're here, so we'll see. But I'm curious, actually,
Speaker 2: I mean we can just so I don't forget later.
Speaker 2: But with your screening of Sinners, was that crowded or well?
Speaker 3: I went in the afternoon, like three, so I guess
Speaker 3: for that time of day it was medium crowd. I
Speaker 3: would say, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm definitely like if it's an option between a massively
Speaker 3: crowded screening and just something a little smaller. I'm reaching
Speaker 3: that point where I'm like, you know, I just don't
Speaker 3: want a bunch of people around me.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny. I mean I've gotten that
Speaker 2: way too, sort of. Yeah, And yesterday I was for Sinners.
Speaker 2: I was shoulder to shoulder with somebody and there was
Speaker 2: a little bit of like, this is uncomfortable, and then
Speaker 2: I thought, what are you talking about? Like it's how
Speaker 2: most movies have been your whole life, right, But it's
Speaker 2: just I don't know, maybe either getting older or the
Speaker 2: world's changed a little bit or a little bit of
Speaker 2: both probably Yeah, yeah, but two other things I want
Speaker 2: to talk about real quick. This was sort of unexpected.
Speaker 2: Our mutual friend Busha reached out to me one night
Speaker 2: and was like, Hey, I'm going to see this movie
Speaker 2: called The Ballad of Wallace Island, Like are you interested?
Speaker 2: And I knew nothing about this movie, but it was
Speaker 2: playing at Regal. I have the Regal Unlimited. You know,
Speaker 2: I've already paid for it, right, like more willing to experiment,
Speaker 2: and so I was like sure, And I really really
Speaker 2: liked this movie. Yeah. So basically I'm looking at the
Speaker 2: MDB summary, it says, an eccentric lottery winner who lives
Speaker 2: alone on a remote island tries to make his fantasies
Speaker 2: come true by getting his favorite musicians to perform at
Speaker 2: his home. So this is just a sweet, gentle little comedy.
Speaker 2: And you have this goofy guy, he's got all this
Speaker 2: money and he has there's like it reminded me a
Speaker 2: little bit of a mighty Wind, you know, with the
Speaker 2: Yushen Levy character and Catherine O'Hara, where it's like they
Speaker 2: used to be a duo, but they've had their complications
Speaker 2: and separated and this guy, it would mean a lot
Speaker 2: to him if they would reunite and play a concert
Speaker 2: for him. So the movie begins with the guy showing
Speaker 2: up first and he doesn't know what he's walking into,
Speaker 2: which is basically, this is not a concert for a
Speaker 2: thousand people. This is pretty much a concert for one,
Speaker 2: which is very uncomfortable, but he needs the money, and
Speaker 2: he also has to reunite with his musician partner played
Speaker 2: by Kerry Mulligan, who they obviously had some sort of
Speaker 2: complication in the past between one another. And this is
Speaker 2: just it's like ninety minutes. It's so charming and sweet
Speaker 2: and delightful, and I laughed a lot. I actually thought
Speaker 2: when it was over, it feels like the movie Once
Speaker 2: meets What About Bob meets Lost in Translation Wow, which
Speaker 2: is quite quite a comp but uh yeah, I just
Speaker 2: left in like the greatest mood and was I texted
Speaker 2: my parents, was like, you guys got to watch this.
Speaker 2: This is just a nice, feel good movie. I think
Speaker 2: if that sounds interesting to people, like just something like
Speaker 2: a really cozy film about you know, people and learning
Speaker 2: the value of relationships with one another, and even people
Speaker 2: you don't expect to find some sort of relationship with.
Speaker 2: It's just sweet and you know, music is at the
Speaker 2: heart of it in the power of music. And of
Speaker 2: course there's more going on than seems on the surface
Speaker 2: with all these people and just great. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is the kind of stuff you just wish. I'll get
Speaker 2: into this with Sinners, you know, like this variety at
Speaker 2: the Multiplex, you know what I mean, Like I want
Speaker 2: Captain American one thing. I want ballt of Walls Island
Speaker 2: in the other. I want Sinners in the other one.
Speaker 2: Like this kind of reminds me of that exciting time
Speaker 2: when we were growing up when you would get these
Speaker 2: sort of all these flavors, you know, And I think
Speaker 2: this sweet comedy is just a flavor I really really
Speaker 2: enjoyed right now because I haven't seen anything like it
Speaker 2: in a while.
Speaker 3: I want them all in one cinematic universe where they
Speaker 3: fight banos. That's That's what.
Speaker 2: If these were all released by like Sony or whatever
Speaker 2: Dizzy that is probably now in twenty twenty five, what
Speaker 2: would happen? You know? These these folks singers are using
Speaker 2: their guitars, you know, and like banging on them. But uh,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm really glad I checked this out and
Speaker 2: I definitely recommend it for people that are in the
Speaker 2: mood for something like this.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you and Amena would like it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just a sweet, easy Friday night. Lastly, i'll just bring
Speaker 2: up I can't say much about it because it's just started,
Speaker 2: but I am back watching the Last of Us. Last
Speaker 2: of Us Season two just started again on HBO this
Speaker 2: past weekend, And uh, do you watch Last of Us? Sorry,
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I watched the first season, okay, and
Speaker 2: had not played the game, right, I have not played
Speaker 2: the game, okay. So I played the game, I mean
Speaker 2: over ten years ago and loved the game. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was a real part of the reason why I
Speaker 2: got back into video games in that moment, and just
Speaker 2: seeing how narrative driven and dramatic and emotional video games
Speaker 2: had become. I mean, I just got sucked into that world.
Speaker 2: And so I really enjoyed first season of Last of Us.
Speaker 2: But I also wondered I remembered all of it from
Speaker 2: the game, and so I was wondering how much I
Speaker 2: was just enjoying seeing the thing that I remembered, Like what,
Speaker 2: it doesn't stand up on its own as a TV series.
Speaker 2: You know, if you don't have you're not bringing that
Speaker 2: with it. And so with season two, I have not
Speaker 2: played the last of Us Part two, so I'm going
Speaker 2: into this kind of curious then if it will hold
Speaker 2: up for me strictly as a show. And so far,
Speaker 2: so good. You know, it's been interesting. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know the spoilers of Part two, and I guess I
Speaker 2: should say the reason I didn't play it after loving
Speaker 2: Part one so much is Part two, who I had heard,
Speaker 2: was very, very relentlessly dark and violent, and I just
Speaker 2: wasn't in the mood for that at the time. And
Speaker 2: people have still told me I need to get back
Speaker 2: to it, and it's really good and worth it, and
Speaker 2: I may at some point. I know this season I
Speaker 2: think is going to be not the entirety of Part two,
Speaker 2: but probably split Part two split up over maybe two
Speaker 2: or even three seasons. So maybe I'll get into this
Speaker 2: and then when it's done, I'll cue it up and
Speaker 2: be prepared for the rest of it. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: enjoyed going back. I enjoy seeing these characters. I know
Speaker 2: hard things are ahead, unfortunately, but yeah, it's very well
Speaker 2: done and I think it does a good job of
Speaker 2: just with this episode, Like I said, not having played
Speaker 2: the game narratively dramatically, I think it's really well done
Speaker 2: and resonant. But there's also moments, you know, where the
Speaker 2: character Elie like falls through a floor an abandoned grocery
Speaker 2: store that's really exciting and tension filled, but does remind
Speaker 2: me of the game, right Like, this feels like the game,
Speaker 2: wandering the aisles, something skittering over there, what is that,
Speaker 2: you know, making sure you have your weapon on hand.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of the perfect video game adaptation. Honestly,
Speaker 2: that's what.
Speaker 3: You're saying right now.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying right now. That's what I'm saying
Speaker 2: right now. Did you watch it only the first season?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen the second season, Okay, yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 3: probably just wait till it's done and then just do
Speaker 3: it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Not a bad not a bad idea.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, I mean I mentioned before about the
Speaker 3: pit speaking of Max series. Yes, and you know that
Speaker 3: the season is done, it has been renewed for a
Speaker 3: second season.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, and and it's been it's been nice to see,
Speaker 3: you know, just a general such a generally positive response
Speaker 3: to to a relatively traditional show. And you know, the
Speaker 3: one thing that that that I you know, makes me
Speaker 3: uncomfortable a little bit. Is this the continuing sense that
Speaker 3: like the Michael Crichton estate kind of got hosed a
Speaker 3: little bit here? Mmm, insofar as this apparently began life
Speaker 3: as a as a you know, as an ER reboot,
Speaker 3: and sure it, you know, if I guess, you know,
Speaker 3: there's a lawsuit ongoing and we'll see what happens. So
Speaker 3: it's like, ugh, right, right, you know, like that that's
Speaker 3: not right. But but the show is stuff is still
Speaker 3: really good, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It feels like when shows become hits these days,
Speaker 2: everything is so fragmented. I feel like, oh, the people
Speaker 2: who enjoy this sort of thing are really liking this
Speaker 2: particular show or you know, right, And it's rare when
Speaker 2: something just broadly everybody seems to be watching and enjoying,
Speaker 2: you know, all different types people like horror, people like
Speaker 2: sci fi, people like whatever. And I feel like this
Speaker 2: is a show that I'm noticing all different types of
Speaker 2: people who like different types of things. Like you said,
Speaker 2: this feels like a throwback almost like traditional sort of show.
Speaker 2: And that makes a lot of sense in ways, because
Speaker 2: I'm noticing almost everybody I know who's kind of into
Speaker 2: TV is watching this and enjoying it. Yeah, so maybe, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's tried. True things tend to work, right hospital shows, and.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and the nice thing, you know, it is
Speaker 3: long enough to feel like a meal, not so long
Speaker 3: that you're like, oh god, do I want to commit
Speaker 3: to you know, twenty some episodes? Yeah, fifteen episodes. I
Speaker 3: think I think the show moves very at a brisk pace.
Speaker 3: And I mean, No Wiley, he's knocking it out, man,
Speaker 3: this guy, Like it's you know, he's been a great
Speaker 3: actor for decades now, you know, right, but you really
Speaker 3: you see his maturity, you know, it's it's not hard
Speaker 3: to imagine him as Carter, you know, and seeing the
Speaker 3: same level of experience, this this many decades later. You know.
Speaker 2: Now you're willing to say that under oath, I am not.
Speaker 3: I mean, the whole the whole discovery process is ongoing,
Speaker 3: and it definitely feels sketchy, Like I feel like we're
Speaker 3: we're one discovery request away from emails between John Wells
Speaker 3: and No Wiley being like, so this is our er reboot, right,
Speaker 3: not anymore t he you know, right?
Speaker 2: I mean it feels pretty obvious. So I guess the
Speaker 2: real question is did they differentiate it enough.
Speaker 3: Just well, that's what it's going to come down to, right,
Speaker 3: is the christen a state had some set of frozen
Speaker 3: rights about about er. So then you say, okay, here
Speaker 3: is another show set in an emergency room. Does that,
Speaker 3: you know, violate their frozen rights?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So obviously not right, But it's going to come down to, well,
Speaker 3: what was the the sequence of events that to this?
Speaker 3: You know? So don't I don't know. That's that's it's sketch,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is going to be my next
Speaker 2: show though. I And it's funny, like you said with
Speaker 2: Last of Us, now that it's all finished, I kind
Speaker 2: of like that I can do it at my pace
Speaker 2: if I were. Yeah, back to if I want to watch.
Speaker 3: One exactly fifteen all at once. Yeah, it's fifteen, they's
Speaker 3: fifteen episodes.
Speaker 2: It feels good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: because a lot of my shows are ending, like Severn's
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty three whatever, so like I'm ready for I'm
Speaker 2: watching the studio. Yeah, join that Last of Us? But
Speaker 2: yeah's treaty.
Speaker 3: Did you watch the last episode of nineteen twenty three?
Speaker 2: I did? Did we talk about this or no?
Speaker 3: I we we talked about.
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about the ending, maybe just generally, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: what did you think?
Speaker 3: I thought it ended well? I thought I liked it.
Speaker 2: I think so too. Yeah. I feel like season two,
Speaker 2: like I think I said, like, it felt like it
Speaker 2: was spinning its wheels a little bit because it was like,
Speaker 2: we need characters to get from A to B, and
Speaker 2: it felt like every episode was like what are they
Speaker 2: gonna do to make sure they don't get to be today?
Speaker 3: You know, and it was starting. The thought I had
Speaker 3: is that Timothy Dalton's character has some very specific peccadillos. Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 3: And and I'm kind of it felt to me like
Speaker 3: maybe Taylor Sheridan was telling on himself a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that. I mean, like, sexual assault
Speaker 2: isn't just like a feature of this character, like it's
Speaker 2: his plot. Like literally the entire season, it just keeps
Speaker 2: going back to him, and it's always about how he's
Speaker 2: like torturing these like prostitutes. Yeah, and I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is not a plot, this is just yeah right.
Speaker 3: It feels like one of those things where somebody is like,
Speaker 3: what isn't everybody into this kind of thing? They're like no,
Speaker 3: oh my god, no, you know, like yeah, yeah, on
Speaker 3: the creative end, you know that all being said, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you talk about this, but but I mean,
Speaker 3: by the time the show ends, I'm like the Brandon Sklenar.
Speaker 2: Yes, this guy is a star man dude. Yes, well
Speaker 2: yeah that so just real quick to agree with you.
Speaker 2: I really like the finale, Like it almost feels like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it'd been nice if this had either been four episodes
Speaker 2: or maybe one of those you know, you end the
Speaker 2: series with a movie kind of thing, because I really
Speaker 2: liked the last episode a lot. I think it built
Speaker 2: to a head in a great way. I thought all
Speaker 2: the characters and their decision making made sense and was interesting.
Speaker 2: But yes, Sclenar, he is in Drop, he's the male
Speaker 2: lead in that, and he's that right. Yeah, I brought
Speaker 2: how funny my you know, liking him from nineteen twenty
Speaker 2: three to this, and I thought he did a really
Speaker 2: good job in that. Okay, so I'd be happy to
Speaker 2: see more of him for sure.
Speaker 3: And he's in that Blake Lively movie right, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: the one with all the with all the kerfuffle.
Speaker 2: It ends with us or that's it. It ends oh
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah you have have you seen that movie?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, yeah you no. At this point, it's like a
Speaker 3: point of pride now that I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: Well, I did see something where some tweet or whatever
Speaker 2: posts said that Sclenar was Baran Walmart Glenn Powell, Glenn
Speaker 2: Powell and did you see his response?
Speaker 3: I didn't even see that. I'm just before you even
Speaker 3: got to the thing, I figured that's probably who was
Speaker 3: in reference.
Speaker 2: To Well and s Glenar was like, well, everybody loves
Speaker 2: a bargain. I mean, I can I like him anymore?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, a perfect response. Yeah, that was genuinely like
Speaker 3: the totality of nineteen twenty three. It's like, no, this guy,
Speaker 3: he's got presence, you know, yeah, totally god places, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I've seen him floated for like Batman.
Speaker 2: I can't say I quite see that.
Speaker 3: Dude who doesn't get floated for Batman.
Speaker 2: I know he feels a little I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: i've mostly seen him in nineteen twenty three. He feels
Speaker 2: a little too folksy for me for Batman. But I
Speaker 2: you know, who knows. But yeah, I like him good presence.
Speaker 3: He held his own opposite Harrison Ford.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, right, someone who's like showing like real
Speaker 2: like badass presence opposite Harrison Ford. That's like a good
Speaker 2: test right at any past?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. So, uh, hey, we got some listener letters, Brian,
Speaker 3: Oh great, let's do it. I agree. You have been
Speaker 3: after for me eighteen thousands all addressed.
Speaker 2: That you've got mailup.
Speaker 3: Hey that that that was pretty nice?
Speaker 2: What was that? That was fun?
Speaker 3: Did you do that?
Speaker 2: You know what I did?
Speaker 3: I'm impressed.
Speaker 2: We've been talking off air about having bumpers for our
Speaker 2: segments for a very long time and you've been very
Speaker 2: patient and checking in. Like so, Brian was bumpers and
Speaker 2: I've been over months looking over music and clips and things,
Speaker 2: and finally I was so overjoyed to to send you
Speaker 2: these this week and they passed the Zachi test. So
Speaker 2: hopefully people enjoy.
Speaker 3: I feel like you're selling. You should have been like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's just something I threw together.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm gonna credit all the sweat that went
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 3: Well, well, thank you for doing that, and thank you
Speaker 3: everybody for writing in. We always appreciate hearing what you
Speaker 3: have to say and you know I mentioned this before.
Speaker 3: You know, we've got many of our commentary tracks are
Speaker 3: up on YouTube, and so we have new audiences discovering those,
Speaker 3: which is always it's a treat for me. I love that.
Speaker 3: And here is a comment we got from Luke's mail
Speaker 3: twenty four on our commentary track for Jaws two. Brian, Oh, okay,
Speaker 3: well this is this is what you said. He says,
Speaker 3: great insights into Jaws too. I've actually read the novelization
Speaker 3: and I actually think the movie we got was a
Speaker 3: bit more stronger. There's a boat race which comes late
Speaker 3: in the book where the shark action finally takes hold
Speaker 3: and then Brody goes to work. I think the Shyer
Speaker 3: performance in the movie is actually quite underrated and a
Speaker 3: great paranoid performance. What could have been an utter disaster
Speaker 3: of movie is better than its reputation suggests. I definitely
Speaker 3: agree with that. But Jaws three and Jaws the Revenge
Speaker 3: are awful. Although the roar the shark makes is actually
Speaker 3: the sound effect battle Cat makes in He Man, which
Speaker 3: is really funny. I think that's true. I think wow,
Speaker 3: Like in Jaws the Revenge, Yeah, there's actually a moment
Speaker 3: where Michael Caine jokes about the cholesterol levels of the
Speaker 3: shark in Revenge again just gold Jaws. The Revenge is
Speaker 3: I mean it is a biblical disaster.
Speaker 2: I've not seen past two.
Speaker 3: Well I think that's that's good, that's smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean at some point, you know, we
Speaker 2: guessed every so often on the Is It Jaws podcast?
Speaker 2: That's Paul Spataro, and like I sometimes he has this
Speaker 2: really ingenious sort of method where we'll talk about a
Speaker 2: film and then we rate it is it Jaws? Like
Speaker 2: is it excellent? Is it Jaws two? Is it Jaws three?
Speaker 2: Or is it Jaws four? And sometimes I have to
Speaker 2: like make my best guess of what a Jaw three
Speaker 2: would be because I've not seen Jows three. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: at some point, I mean I have you know, you
Speaker 2: just got.
Speaker 3: To do it, I think, right, I think just to
Speaker 3: have it as part of your like information rolodex, you know,
Speaker 3: in your in your brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I I I think I said this in
Speaker 3: our commentary track. I was like, if they would have
Speaker 3: stopped at Jaws two, we would we would talk today,
Speaker 3: you know, uh, sixty years later, fifty years later, whatever
Speaker 3: the fifty years later sorry about the excellent Jaws and
Speaker 3: it's and it's pretty good sequel.
Speaker 2: Like French Connection, French Connection two or something exactly.
Speaker 3: That's exactly. It would be like Jaws one is great,
Speaker 3: Jaws two ain't bad either, that's it. But because you
Speaker 3: got some two shit ass sequels that are freaking awful. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Jaws two, Jaws two, which asked nothing of us expect
Speaker 3: all it offered was entertainment and escapism. It got lumped in,
Speaker 3: It got shuffled off to the kids table. Yeah, with
Speaker 3: three and four.
Speaker 2: That's true, isn't it. Yeah, if there's a I want
Speaker 2: to say, there's these DVD or what DVD, Blu Ray
Speaker 2: four K like sets that come out and Jaws is
Speaker 2: always on its own and then and two, three, four
Speaker 2: come out in their own little sets. So yeah, you're right,
Speaker 2: You're right, it got shuffled off and it.
Speaker 3: Is orders of magnitude better than the third on the
Speaker 3: fourth one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean that comes up a lot in conversation about
Speaker 2: the matrix right where people wonder is Matrix one diminished
Speaker 2: in some ways in memory because of sequels that people
Speaker 2: didn't like?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say so probably, yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe to some degree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a tough one though, right, Like,
Speaker 3: like some movies are like that. Other like I think RoboCop,
Speaker 3: for example, is still very highly regarded and people just
Speaker 3: ignore the sequels, right, it's not dragged down by the sequels. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know maybe because with the matrix, the fact that
Speaker 3: it's the watchousekis, it's all the watchousekis so right, you
Speaker 3: can't make that mental separation of like, well those other
Speaker 3: ones they weren't involved with or something like that.
Speaker 2: That's a really good point. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Anyway, thank you for that. And then here's a comment
Speaker 3: we got from Matt ev with regards to our last episode.
Speaker 3: This was episode three fourteen. He says, another fab listened
Speaker 3: Zakie and Brian thought you might enjoy this review of
Speaker 3: Minecraft from my daughter's friend. She said, quote, while I
Speaker 3: was watching it, I was thinking, I don't even hate this,
Speaker 3: I just hate that it exists. I hate the world
Speaker 3: that birth did. All right, Okay, bear in mind we
Speaker 3: say that as I read that. You know, Minecraft movie
Speaker 3: has surpassed three hundred million at the domestic box office.
Speaker 3: It's well on its way to a billion at the
Speaker 3: global box office, and we are likely in store for
Speaker 3: several more Minecraft adjacent movies, you know, in the next
Speaker 3: days and months.
Speaker 2: Well, first things first, I adore that review, so thank
Speaker 2: you for sending that in. That was Chef's Kiss and
Speaker 2: pretty much all I need to know. So you have
Speaker 2: not seen it, No, it's so funny because I I mean,
Speaker 2: the thing that I know most about it right now
Speaker 2: is the unruly audiences, yeah, right, which I don't love.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a I was listening to another
Speaker 2: podcast and they were debating this, is it not the
Speaker 2: worst thing having popcorn on the floor because people are
Speaker 2: showing up and excited about movies, especially a younger generation,
Speaker 2: which we're seeing less and less, And I mean, no,
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna be okay with the popcorn on the
Speaker 2: floor thing.
Speaker 3: That's just like a decent right, This is exactly I
Speaker 3: was having this discussion with somebody. It's like, oh, people
Speaker 3: are going and it's people's job to clean up. I'm like,
Speaker 3: why don't you just shit on your seat while you're there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, well, what if you were throwing a party. You
Speaker 2: invited people to your house and they had a great time,
Speaker 2: but they were taking like soda cans and beer bottles
Speaker 2: and just spraying it everywhere. But it's like, well, at
Speaker 2: least they had a good time, you know, and like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, well as I like have to, you know,
Speaker 2: clean my couch.
Speaker 3: You know. Seriously, I'm like, we have lost several threads
Speaker 3: here clearly as a civilization.
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, I do want to say, in
Speaker 2: this particular movie, if people want to get up and
Speaker 2: cheer and scream and whatever lines, go for it. That's
Speaker 2: I'm all for that.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely absolutely when you're when you're making a big
Speaker 3: mess that you are not going to clean up. Yes,
Speaker 3: I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree. So it's it's sort of a
Speaker 2: double edged sword. But I I do love that there's
Speaker 2: a movie that a younger generation is excited to go
Speaker 2: out and see. I don't know if it's any good
Speaker 2: or not, you know, I I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, look, I mean bottom line, you make five
Speaker 3: Nights at Freddy's, people showed up. You make Minecraft movie,
Speaker 3: people showed up. It's like, hey, so here's here, you know, Holly,
Speaker 3: stop regurgitating ship from the eighties and nineties. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: because because some of them windows is closed now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or going back to what I was saying earlier,
Speaker 2: like yeah, do that, and do this, and do the
Speaker 2: other thing and make Ballot of Alls island and make
Speaker 2: drop and make sinners like like.
Speaker 3: And have them team up and fight. Then Oh yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: But I'm just.
Speaker 2: Saying like, we don't need everything to fit into like
Speaker 2: three categories. Yeah, you know, so, I.
Speaker 3: You're screaming into the wind, Brian, I.
Speaker 2: Am literally it's hitting me back in the face and
Speaker 2: then blowing away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the ashes.
Speaker 2: In The Big Lebowski, you know. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Have your kids seen it?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yes, they did, Yeah, they were. They were, Oh
Speaker 3: you saw it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I forgot Yeah you your your soul left
Speaker 2: your body.
Speaker 3: I did. Yeah, I watched. I had an existential crisis
Speaker 3: while watching this movie, as I was like, is this
Speaker 3: it is this? Where is this where we're at? Is
Speaker 3: this what we're doing? And it's a shame because I
Speaker 3: and I think I said in my review, I liked
Speaker 3: Jack Black in it. I like Jason Momoa in it.
Speaker 3: I just like I'm I I'm like, we've seen Barbie movie,
Speaker 3: We've seen Lego movie. It is possible to take these
Speaker 3: brands and do something special and unique with them, so
Speaker 3: like why not strive for that that is that is
Speaker 3: upsetting to me? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I I would be okay
Speaker 2: with this just being like a meme movie if there
Speaker 2: were other options that weren't right, like, if there were
Speaker 2: things aimed at this aged audience that were like solid story, character,
Speaker 2: etcetera things, And this just happens to be the goofy,
Speaker 2: let's just make memes out of it thing. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: you just hope that this isn't the lesson. So it's like, well,
Speaker 2: we do have this interesting idea for you know, targeted
Speaker 2: at this audience, but let's you know, this is too much,
Speaker 2: We're taking too long to get to this thing, or
Speaker 2: this character is talking too much here, Like we've got
Speaker 2: to follow the mind cre model and just me me memes.
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't want that to be the lesson people
Speaker 2: take from this.
Speaker 3: Right right? You know? Here, here's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3: I I I question my own reaction, where like how
Speaker 3: pissed off can I be about this movie that's clearly
Speaker 3: not aimed at me? Right?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 3: So I try to contextualize that as best I can,
Speaker 3: you know, like, Okay, well, this is I'm you know,
Speaker 3: I'm forty five. I'm not the target aut into Minecraft.
Speaker 3: So here's if I don't like it. If people and
Speaker 3: then I'm hearing like, oh, it's a great theater experience,
Speaker 3: but you just leave it in the theater, and I say, well,
Speaker 3: what's wrong with that? Also? Yeah? Right, so you know
Speaker 3: it's like we've talked before about Avatar, where that's the
Speaker 3: big you know critique. Oh but you don't remember the
Speaker 3: names of you know, the main characters or whatever, and
Speaker 3: and you know the response I have now is well, so,
Speaker 3: but yeah, like you know, the first one came out,
Speaker 3: it made a bajillion dollars. Maybe you didn't think about
Speaker 3: it in the fifteen years between. But then the second
Speaker 3: one came out and it made a bajillion dollars too,
Speaker 3: and others people went, they had a good time, and
Speaker 3: so what if they're not you know, wearing you know,
Speaker 3: Jake Sully T shirts or whatever. I kind of agree
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 2: I mean, the second movie made me realize, yes, that
Speaker 2: that's what these movies are. These are theater experiences.
Speaker 3: That's exactly it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I haven't seen two since.
Speaker 3: Since the theater You and I both liked it.
Speaker 2: In the theater yep, and you can bet I'm going
Speaker 2: to be there for three right. So, and it almost
Speaker 2: harkens back to an older age, right where movies just
Speaker 2: existed in theaters and everybody you know, gone with the
Speaker 2: wind making a bajillion dollars and then it wasn't like
Speaker 2: it was going to be on TV or whatever then
Speaker 2: in a year and people could rent it or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's like you just went to the theater for this experience,
Speaker 2: and so that's what this is. It almost feels old
Speaker 2: school in a way. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, I'm not saying Minecraft is Avatar Steekler,
Speaker 3: but but if it's giving people a fun theatrical experience
Speaker 3: and they leave that experience in the theater, who gives
Speaker 3: a ship? Fine?
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's hugely profitable, so it's not
Speaker 2: even like it's some sort of you know, artistic experiment
Speaker 2: that's not paying off.
Speaker 3: That's right, It is paying off. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: moving on, Hey, we got some headlines extra.
Speaker 2: Scoop, what another one?
Speaker 3: Hey, look at this? Look at this guy? You've been busy?
Speaker 2: What is that in a phantom menace? Or this is
Speaker 2: getting out of hand now there are two of them?
Speaker 3: Now do the voice Brian?
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm just shaking my head quiet now.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you Brian for creating that bumper as well.
Speaker 3: No problem. So hey for first up, we had new
Speaker 3: trailer drop for Fantastic four First Steps. Yeah, do you
Speaker 3: want to play some of the audio from that? Sure?
Speaker 4: Wow, folks, we all know the story. Four brave astronauts
Speaker 4: head off into space and come back forever changed our city,
Speaker 4: our planet.
Speaker 3: Owe a debt to these intrepid souls.
Speaker 4: Well we can never repay them, we can certainly celebrate them.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Fantastic More.
Speaker 2: Hey you b you Fantastic More.
Speaker 4: Are you the protectors of this world?
Speaker 3: Yes? We are. Your planet is now marked for death.
Speaker 3: That's my fault. I stretch the bounce of space and
Speaker 3: they are hurt. We will face this together. We will
Speaker 3: fight it together as a family. Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm dying to know what you think of this
Speaker 2: Marvel's first family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well I'm I'm very excited to see. First
Speaker 3: of all, we got our first look at mister Fantastic
Speaker 3: stretching m and it looks like about what you'd expect,
Speaker 3: which is why they just kept it like far away
Speaker 3: from the screen, Like, I don't think there's any good
Speaker 3: way to depict mister Fantastic's powers on screen in like,
Speaker 3: like unless you know, you do Elasta Girl or something
Speaker 3: on Sure Incredibles, that's one thing, But I just I
Speaker 3: just don't think there's a good way to make him
Speaker 3: look cool.
Speaker 2: Well, and in the movie, when you see it over
Speaker 2: and over and you're living in that reality, it probably
Speaker 2: plays just fine. But I can see in the trailers
Speaker 2: you're only getting one thing to scrutinize for the next
Speaker 2: couple of months. Maybe you'll hold back a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I like the dynamic. I do find it
Speaker 3: interesting that it feels being a mister fan, it feels
Speaker 3: like they have kept mister Fantastic the most under wraps,
Speaker 3: you know, in terms of dialogue and personality. What do
Speaker 3: you mean, It's just like it seems like the focus
Speaker 3: is more on the other three. And I'm that's just
Speaker 3: my sense. I could be wrong just from the trailer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you know, I hadn't clocked that, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Like it's a big focus on Vanessa Kirby, which is
Speaker 3: fine by me, totally fine, absolutely, one hundred percent Joseph
Speaker 3: Quinn seems like a great Johnny Storm and I already
Speaker 3: like what we saw of the thing, but I want
Speaker 3: to see more of mister Fantastic. I like mister Fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. He seems kind of like the observer
Speaker 2: everything in this, you know, yea, the people around him,
Speaker 2: the action around him. That's a good point. I didn't
Speaker 2: think of it, think of it, but.
Speaker 3: Ultimately it's you know, this is setting up some kind
Speaker 3: of multiversal shenanigans. We know that this is an alternate Earth,
Speaker 3: so it's kind of like watching this, I'm sort of
Speaker 3: going in with the presumption that their world will end.
Speaker 2: Yes, because how would they not have been referenced right
Speaker 2: in previous Marvel movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they have to somehow end up on og
Speaker 3: MCU Earth through the course of you know, the whatever
Speaker 3: the Avengers movies have planned. And so that for me,
Speaker 3: I think, I think it's sort of an elegant way
Speaker 3: of incorporating the Fantastic Four into the MCU because it's
Speaker 3: like this preserves their status as they were the pioneers,
Speaker 3: right as opposed to if you if you do their
Speaker 3: origin now you know, when we're like, you know, almost
Speaker 3: twenty years into this, then it's like what makes them special? Sure? Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's like, you know, I love the little montage
Speaker 3: they've seeing the trailer that thank you Fantastic for thing
Speaker 3: like they changed the world.
Speaker 2: I like that too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something different, you know. Yeah, I love the esthetic,
Speaker 3: the whole, the whole future retrofuturistic aesthetic that they've created.
Speaker 3: I think that's really cool.
Speaker 2: I think that's I don't know a ton about fantas.
Speaker 2: I've never read the comics. I've seen the one Fox movie,
Speaker 2: not the second one. Well, actually I forgot. I did
Speaker 2: see the twenty fifteen. Yeah, but I I just don't
Speaker 2: know a lot about these guys. But what makes me
Speaker 2: excited about it is, yeah, the different time period, Like
Speaker 2: you said, the aesthetic of it. It just looks different.
Speaker 2: And I'm still enjoying superhero movies. But at this point,
Speaker 2: you know, I was thinking about the Thor sequel that
Speaker 2: had Natalie Portman in it, which wasn't very well received,
Speaker 2: and I was remembering that I wasn't as hard on it,
Speaker 2: and I was trying to remember why, and I think, frankly,
Speaker 2: just because it felt different. Yeah, And I think anything
Speaker 2: that's different is going to get my attention and make
Speaker 2: me just inherently kind of enjoy it a little bit more.
Speaker 2: And this feels very different in a way that I'm
Speaker 2: excited about. So yeah, I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, look, I'm sure the Marvel folks are
Speaker 3: hoping that there's more of you, you know, people who
Speaker 3: are willing to give it a shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you know.
Speaker 3: Oh, we actually talked about this.
Speaker 2: Whether or not Captain America Brave New World reformed or performed.
Speaker 3: It's still undecided. I don't think we have I don't
Speaker 3: think we have clarity yet on that right, I would.
Speaker 2: Say that I doubt it performed the way that they
Speaker 2: saw it on their vision board. Yes, I agree with that,
Speaker 2: and so I think.
Speaker 3: But it's not an outright embarrassment.
Speaker 2: Not an outright embarrassment. No, And I yeah, this will
Speaker 2: be an interesting test. You know, they're trying something that
Speaker 2: is a little different, feels fresh in an interesting way,
Speaker 2: and it features characters that people have been long awaiting.
Speaker 2: So how does this do? I'm very curious.
Speaker 3: See one thing, I'll say I've been saying this for
Speaker 3: a while and I'm probably on an island, but every
Speaker 3: New trailer we see if thunderbolts gets me more like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm ready for this.
Speaker 2: I think me too. I think me too. I was
Speaker 2: a little cynical about it, like I think the sort
Speaker 2: of snark was putting me off a little bit where
Speaker 2: I was like, I've seen this, like cynical over it,
Speaker 2: rag tag people who didn't want to be there, but
Speaker 2: then they show up and save the day, Like you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 3: Are we some kind of thunderbolt that's risk? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, I mean I was like, I know this,
Speaker 2: and I gotta be honest the uh I'll just say
Speaker 2: it because either I'll be proven right or wrong. But uh,
Speaker 2: what's the guy from Harbor? Yeah, Harbor, I knew you
Speaker 2: were not feeling it like it's you know, it's a
Speaker 2: very like it's just not my my flavor. Though I think.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think it's gonna be one of those things
Speaker 3: where a little goes a long way. So it's like
Speaker 3: if they modulate the supply of David Harbor, like you know,
Speaker 3: boris bad novving it up, Yes, it could be amusing,
Speaker 3: then it could work totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I like Florence p a lot, and you
Speaker 2: know the thing that always gets me in the trailer.
Speaker 2: Two that I really like is the I don't know
Speaker 2: his name, but the Captain America.
Speaker 3: Yes John Walker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, him looking at the article being like, not Captain America,
Speaker 2: you suck. You know. I'm like, oh, okay, well this
Speaker 2: looks fun, Like I want to see these people feeling
Speaker 2: down and out and then showing up and getting people
Speaker 2: wrong like that. I think I could enjoy.
Speaker 3: Well, And I feel like this movie may end up
Speaker 3: doing that. Yeah, you know, because I don't think people
Speaker 3: are expecting a ton from it, and you know, it
Speaker 3: would be nice to have something a little more organic
Speaker 3: where potentially, if it's a decent flick, this is all
Speaker 3: contingent on that where people watching it like no, it's hey,
Speaker 3: it's pretty good, and then just kind of a bottom
Speaker 3: up word of mouth hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and they're going to feature in the Avengers movies.
Speaker 3: Right so they yeah, at least in Doomsday.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so a better work.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll be talking about it in our next regular show,
Speaker 3: Wow count It Fast. Yeah, so that's exciting. But hey,
Speaker 3: you know, this week is Star Wars celebration Brian Yes
Speaker 3: in Japan in Japan, So why don't we pipe in
Speaker 3: some of that music. Oh yes, So talk to me.
Speaker 3: What are some of the big Star Wars announcements we
Speaker 3: got this week?
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like the biggest one that I'm seeing
Speaker 2: everywhere is we have a title for the upcoming Sean
Speaker 2: Levy movie starring Ryan Gosling, which.
Speaker 3: Is Star Wars Starfighter.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, and that's going to be coming May twenty eighth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. Yes, And I mean you just say Starfight,
Speaker 2: Star Wars Starfighter, the movie.
Speaker 3: From the director of Night at the Museum.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: People are kind of all over the place with him.
Speaker 3: Maybe I like Sean Levy, I should say. I think
Speaker 3: he's very good at the types of movies he makes.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna say. He kind of reminds me
Speaker 2: of Chris Columbus in that way. Yes, absolutely, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, And like, maybe not all of it
Speaker 2: I connect with, but I think he's a very director.
Speaker 2: And if he's with a thing that I'm inclined to enjoy,
Speaker 2: it's probably going to be a good version of that.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's I don't know if it's like a
Speaker 2: weird hot take.
Speaker 3: But like he did a real steal, which is as
Speaker 3: far as I'm concerned is a damn fun movie.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, Yeah, So I mean I get it. Not
Speaker 2: everything he does is going to be for everybody, but
Speaker 2: Deadpool versus Wolverine was a good version of that, right, yep, Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: but yes, a starfighter movie I think is interesting for
Speaker 2: a lot of reasons. One, I kind of want to
Speaker 2: see top gun in space. Well, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is, but I'm assuming it's going to
Speaker 2: be about pilots. And I want to see dog fights
Speaker 2: with X wings and tie fighters and things like that.
Speaker 2: And also we know for sure it is not connected
Speaker 2: to the Ray movie. This is not the Ray movie
Speaker 2: they were talking about, that's right, So I'm curious. Oh,
Speaker 2: and it's going to happen post the.
Speaker 3: Rise of Skywalker.
Speaker 2: It's gonna like in the timeline, in the timeline, So
Speaker 2: I what does the universe look at that point? Who
Speaker 2: are they fighting? You know? Kind of curious about that.
Speaker 2: Do Jedi factor in the forest? Does any of that
Speaker 2: factor in? This is just a pilot's movie in space,
Speaker 2: don't know, but all the ingredients sound enticing to me.
Speaker 3: What about you? Well, a couple things that we talked
Speaker 3: about this before, right, Ryan Gosling is a big enough
Speaker 3: star that he does not have to do a movie
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 2: That's a yes totally.
Speaker 3: He does not generally do franchise movies, with the exception
Speaker 3: of like Blade Runner and I guess The fall Guy.
Speaker 3: We could think of that as one. So that has
Speaker 3: me interested. What's the Star Wars premise that got him involved?
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people would turn up
Speaker 3: just because of that. The other thought I have is
Speaker 3: is you know this is what is its? Two years
Speaker 3: from now? Just about right a Memorial Day of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty seven. Yeah, so how far along are they in prep?
Speaker 3: Because that means they need to start right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, you assume they have a script? Well you
Speaker 2: assume you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, Bryan, I like, I had to
Speaker 3: stop myself.
Speaker 2: But a concept that enough people agree on, you know
Speaker 2: that even Ryan Reynolds or Ryan Reynolds Ran Gosling will
Speaker 2: step on the stage at celebration and be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're doing this. This will be two years. There's something happening.
Speaker 3: So my question is this thematically or narratively similar to
Speaker 3: that Patty Jenkins movie that they were developed.
Speaker 2: I thought about that and I was wondering if it's well,
Speaker 2: if we have an er the pit situation here where
Speaker 2: you know, there was a colonel and they're like, well
Speaker 2: what if this instead? I don't know, yeah, curious.
Speaker 3: So that's twenty twenty seven, and then twenty twenty six
Speaker 3: Memorial the weekend is going to be Mandalorian Grogu movie.
Speaker 2: Yes, which I don't think they released anything officially, but
Speaker 2: I did see some like bootleg pictures. You know, It's funny.
Speaker 2: I kind of fell off from that show.
Speaker 3: I was about to say, I cannot muster a ton
Speaker 3: of enthusiasm for this movie.
Speaker 2: I agree, although I will say seeing the images made
Speaker 2: me be like, well, I do want to see ad
Speaker 2: at Lockers, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I want to see the movie. I'm
Speaker 3: just like I was, literally I was thinking about this
Speaker 3: earlier this morning, where I'm like, am I am I
Speaker 3: like chomping at the bit to see ding Jarn on
Speaker 3: screen on the big screen.
Speaker 2: That particularly No, you know what I mean that I
Speaker 2: think I agree with you. I, like I said, I
Speaker 2: fell off from that show. It had its moments. I
Speaker 2: really did enjoy a bunch of it from the first
Speaker 2: two seasons, but then I just I don't know, didn't
Speaker 2: feel the need to keep going. But and maybe most
Speaker 2: of my enthusiasm is just going back to the Star
Speaker 2: Wars universe in a movie theater versus I need to
Speaker 2: see what the Mandalorian or din Jarren is up to.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, seeing those images, I was like, oh, neat.
Speaker 2: And I've said before that I'm not excited about this movie. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, I think, yeah, I think the Star
Speaker 2: Wars of it is certainly enough to make me at
Speaker 2: least have a little bit on my enthusiasm bar have it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wiggle a bit. I mean, look, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I'm just happy to get sort of
Speaker 3: the Star Wars movie pipeline churn in again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as long as there's a thoughtfulness behind it. I
Speaker 2: mean I think that should go without saying probably, but
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I don't want just like, okay,
Speaker 2: we need a slate the board. The board members are
Speaker 2: demanding three.
Speaker 3: I mean that clearly has not been the case because
Speaker 3: it's been six years already since the last one, so
Speaker 3: they're clearly taking time to grow.
Speaker 2: Some roses in, probably because they learned lessons the hard way. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: you know, so hopefully, Yes, lessons learned, Let's move forward
Speaker 2: with some thoughtfulness.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and it's like this Ray move we've
Speaker 3: been talking about. I mean, there is no no new
Speaker 3: news about that as far as I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder. I mean, it's still going on, it's.
Speaker 3: Still happening, And that's my point. I'm like, just I mean,
Speaker 3: just do it when it's time, right, Like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I'd rather I mean, look, here's the reality. The sequel
Speaker 3: trilogy is a wounded beast. Yeah, forever, like you did
Speaker 3: that forever. You had one shot and you squandered that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: For as much as I do not mind the sequels,
Speaker 3: I want to be very clear about that, but in
Speaker 3: terms of the perception and in terms of what those
Speaker 3: movies could have been, you know, it's a lot of
Speaker 3: missed opportunities.
Speaker 2: Missed opportunities, and I mean I think it's undeniable. It
Speaker 2: did a lot of harm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know so well. Actually, speaking of Star Wars,
Speaker 3: I should say, you know, the new season of and
Speaker 3: Or is about to drop. Yeah, as we record this
Speaker 3: and and when we talk about to me, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to get into it too much, but all I
Speaker 3: will say is having seen all the second season. I
Speaker 3: think if you put and Or the totality of and
Speaker 3: Or plus Rogue one, you have the best thing Disney
Speaker 3: has done with the franchise in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Really in my okay, you know, okay, I well, I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed and Or season one. Yeah, and I just
Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate that I've become this way.
Speaker 2: But it's just it used to be anything Star Wars.
Speaker 2: I was there with my shirt on, you know, my
Speaker 2: Star Wars shirt, first in line, my foam finger.
Speaker 3: I was there with my pants off. That's how excited
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: But now I'm a little like, all right, all right,
Speaker 2: I need tell tell me more, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And that's that's a big shift for me.
Speaker 2: So but I liked and Or season one a lot,
Speaker 2: and with season two, I was like, of course I'm
Speaker 2: gonna watch it, but what do people think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: you know, tell me more? And hearing that makes me
Speaker 2: very excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the thought that occurred to me having just
Speaker 3: watched it yesterday, and I'd be curious to hear your take.
Speaker 3: I was like, I finally cracked what and Or is
Speaker 3: why it works for me? I'm like, it's it's Star
Speaker 3: Wars by way of Christopher Nolan, not only in terms
Speaker 3: of the narrative approach, but also the stylistic approach. Interesting,
Speaker 3: you know, And what I like about it is that
Speaker 3: it's it's clearly it is of Star Wars. It exists
Speaker 3: within the universe that we know, but but it keeps
Speaker 3: the fantastical elements really at arm's length. So you know,
Speaker 3: it's not about the syth and and the Jedi and
Speaker 3: people you know, floating and whatnot. Not, not that we
Speaker 3: don't love all of that, but there's nearly a lightsaber
Speaker 3: to be seen, right, And instead, what we really get,
Speaker 3: what I find so fascinating is it's it's a depiction
Speaker 3: of the the mondanity of fascism, m like how the
Speaker 3: ordinariness of it and how that gets just absorbed into
Speaker 3: the bloodstream of society, Like how does how does somebody
Speaker 3: like like Palpatine take over? Because the bureaucracy exists to
Speaker 3: allow it, right, And and you know that that's the
Speaker 3: genius of this this show, in my opinion, and and
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's why Rogue One works so well.
Speaker 3: But the the inner workings of how a rebellion begins
Speaker 3: to grow and all of that stuff, you know, right right,
Speaker 3: I think I think it's it's a terrific Let me
Speaker 3: put this away there. There's uh, there's this great supporting
Speaker 3: cast of various you know people. There's one episode of
Speaker 3: and Or and Or is not in it at all, zero,
Speaker 3: But it's fascinating, okay because the other characters and plotlines
Speaker 3: are so interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was talking to my kid this morning.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure you're you're somewhat aware of what's
Speaker 3: going on right now with this this prison and El
Speaker 3: Salvador and you know, this poor guy who apparently is
Speaker 3: not part of a gang, but he's been shipped there.
Speaker 3: And I was reading about this prison and how like
Speaker 3: these people are putting these these Each room has like
Speaker 3: one hundred people in it that they have cots with
Speaker 3: no mattresses. It's just just you know, hard and the
Speaker 3: lights are on twenty four to seven, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is I was like, that sounds horrific. And literally
Speaker 3: I was talking to my son this morning. I was like,
Speaker 3: remember the prison in the first season of and Or.
Speaker 3: M that's less bad than this real prison, right right,
Speaker 3: because they get to sleep yep yep. I was like,
Speaker 3: so that's where we're at right now on the spectrum.
Speaker 3: We're worse than the Empire. But it is it is fantastic.
Speaker 3: I truly think that in the years and and you know,
Speaker 3: however long ahead, like people look at and Or is
Speaker 3: a very special and or plus Rogue one is this
Speaker 3: very special slice of Star Wars that's just unique all
Speaker 3: to itself.
Speaker 2: Like the promise of what we could do with someone
Speaker 2: owning Star Wars and being able to make television shows. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's great.
Speaker 3: You know, one thing I will say, you know, my
Speaker 3: man Jimmy Smith's I guess was unavailable to reprise his
Speaker 3: role as Bill or Ghana hm, and so they replaced
Speaker 3: him with a very very good casting. I would consider
Speaker 3: this a lateral move with Benjamin Bratt. Hmmm, who is
Speaker 3: He's Benjamin Bratt. He's great, great actor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, of course, my man Jimmy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder why, you know, probably unavailable. It's weird
Speaker 3: because he was in he was in Rogue one, and
Speaker 3: he was in Obil and Kenobi, so he's not averse
Speaker 3: to coming back. So I don't know what happened. Kind
Speaker 3: of a bummer I don't like seeing the legacy characters,
Speaker 3: you know, shifted around like that. And it's especially weird
Speaker 3: because this leads right into Rogue one.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I mean this is like so pivotal,
Speaker 2: Like this is a story that focuses on, you know,
Speaker 2: his business or like the arena of his business. So
Speaker 2: it's nice to see him.
Speaker 3: That's the thing, Brian. That's what's so frustrating is like
Speaker 3: Bail Organa has never gotten more to do than in this, right,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, this is like all the other stuff
Speaker 3: was like paving the way for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And again I want to emphasize Benjamin Bratt is great.
Speaker 3: I love Benjamin Bratt, but it's Jimmy Smith's man.
Speaker 2: Come on, I know, I know.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Other announcements that I'm seeing so far at this point,
Speaker 2: we're recording Friday Morning, April eighteenth, two animated series I'm
Speaker 2: not going to bury the lead Star Wars Young Jedi
Speaker 2: Adventures Season three announced, Wow, and that's coming to Disney
Speaker 2: Plus this fall. So and then also all as in
Speaker 2: Darth Maul Shadow Lord, an animated series focusing on Darth Maul.
Speaker 3: Curious about that's all we know? We don't know when
Speaker 3: it's set or like that's it.
Speaker 2: I'm not pretty.
Speaker 3: Phantom menace or you know, like what's the is his origin? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Not sure? Sorry. The thing I have in front of
Speaker 2: me just has the announcement of it. Okay, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that's like I said. There could be other things,
Speaker 2: and if there's big announcements, we'll talk about them. But
Speaker 2: that's what we got so far. I think you know
Speaker 2: what I want.
Speaker 3: And I've said this before. We're doing more of these
Speaker 3: animated things. Do an animated series set between the original
Speaker 3: and the sequel trilogy that gives us new canonical adventures
Speaker 3: of Han, Luke and Lea.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, if, of course, goes without saying, if it's good,
Speaker 2: If that's they can come up with the best version
Speaker 2: of that, sign me up right.
Speaker 3: Yes, it feels like a no brainer. You know, I
Speaker 3: don't know why they're sitting on that. Get it. Troy
Speaker 3: Baker to do Han's voice?
Speaker 2: Yeah, who he did the voice of Indiana Jones in
Speaker 2: a Great Circle and he sounds incredible.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. Yeah. There's also the James Mangold movie that's
Speaker 3: in development.
Speaker 2: Right, is that that was something? I don't have it
Speaker 2: in front of me, but I did read and I
Speaker 2: don't know who said it, if it was Lucasfilm officially,
Speaker 2: but basically, yeah, a lot of those past projects that
Speaker 2: have been announced that sort of feel like they're like
Speaker 2: in a limbo or something, those are still on the
Speaker 2: table apparently.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that was like The Dawn of the Jedi
Speaker 3: or some such thing. Very curious, very curious that that
Speaker 3: could be interesting, could be Yeah, well, hey, we've got
Speaker 3: a brand new release in theaters right now, so hey,
Speaker 3: why don't we talk about that on the other side
Speaker 3: of this, And now we're pleased to bring our feature
Speaker 3: presentation and we are back and you know who else
Speaker 3: is back? Brian?
Speaker 2: Who's that? Why?
Speaker 3: It's why? It's that that Titanic team of Ryan Cougler,
Speaker 3: Michael B. Jordan, and Michael B. Jordan. Uh Yes, Sinners
Speaker 3: is in theaters right now. He seems to have opened
Speaker 3: pretty strong, just based on based on the Thursday night screening.
Speaker 3: Seems to be, you know, a good start. I'm curious
Speaker 3: what word of mouth is going to look like. For
Speaker 3: for a while it was at one hundred percent on
Speaker 3: Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 2: I saw that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't I don't know where it's at now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, thoughts are like who's first, you go first,
Speaker 2: I go first. Uh, well I'll start with this.
Speaker 3: I went into this one so I knew I knew
Speaker 3: nothing about the movie going in, not one thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you hadn't even seen a trailer.
Speaker 3: Didn't want to single trailer. I literally I was like
Speaker 3: Ryan Coogler, Michael B. Jordan, Ryan Cougler is first of all,
Speaker 3: He's like instant sale for me, no matter what. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We've been watching his stuff since Fruitvale Station.
Speaker 3: For since fruit Fail. Yeah, so I'm like, well I'm
Speaker 3: already watching it anyway. So it wasn't even like a
Speaker 3: conscious choice. I just missed the first trailer and then
Speaker 3: I was like, well, whatever, I'm just not gonna watch anything.
Speaker 3: And so I had no idea going into this anything
Speaker 3: about not setting not one thing wow, one thing wow?
Speaker 3: Okay yeah uh. And by the time it ended, I
Speaker 3: was like, well, I think that's probably one of my
Speaker 3: favorite movies this year. Like by the time the year
Speaker 3: is up, I mean it is like it's a B movie,
Speaker 3: but it's like A It's like an A it's an
Speaker 3: A approach to a B movie. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Okay? Not to interrupt, but because I have something so
Speaker 2: similar to say, I'll just add Yeah. I went into
Speaker 2: this not I'd seen the trailer, but I wasn't sure
Speaker 2: what to expect. I was like, is this a horror movie?
Speaker 2: Is like a prestigee movie? Like I don't, I don't
Speaker 2: even know what I'm getting into, And even watching the movie,
Speaker 2: like the first hour of the movie, I still wasn't
Speaker 2: quite sure.
Speaker 3: Yet because it takes its time, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty narratively unconventional. Yeah, but I by the
Speaker 2: end of this I was so on board and I
Speaker 2: was trying to think of how to explain it, and
Speaker 2: I said to my friend, I was like, imagine someone
Speaker 2: handing over a Lost Tales from the Crypt screenplay to
Speaker 2: a remarkable filmmaker who has loads of vision and ideas.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, that's what this feels.
Speaker 2: And then they're like, let him cook. Yeah right, right,
Speaker 2: that's what this movie is, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, like, is it a splattery horror movie or is
Speaker 2: it like sort of like a thoughtful prestigie thing. The
Speaker 2: answer is.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly? Why not both?
Speaker 2: Why not both? Why not both? Okay, so we both
Speaker 2: loved it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I should say I didn't even know that
Speaker 3: Michael B. Jordan plays a dual role, right, right, right,
Speaker 3: So so the movie, you know, when we first see
Speaker 3: the twins smoke and stack. Yes, again, I don't know
Speaker 3: that Michael Jordan me Jordan is playing pencil. I'm I
Speaker 3: see the one and I'm like, oh, that's Michael B. Jordan.
Speaker 3: And then I look over I'm like, oh, wait, maybe
Speaker 3: that's Michael B. Jordan. And then I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: am I racist? Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking this is getting out of my hand.
Speaker 2: Now there are two of them.
Speaker 3: No, there are two of them. That was the effects
Speaker 3: were seamless as far as when they would interact with
Speaker 3: each other. It was amazing.
Speaker 2: Well, they show it off immediately right where the guys
Speaker 2: like wants a cigarette, So the one one Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan has a cigarette to the other one who lights it,
Speaker 2: and who hands a cigarette back and smokes it, and
Speaker 2: you know it is I was like, all right, all right,
Speaker 2: this is okay. I'm impressed.
Speaker 3: I'm impressed. So I did not realize until again, like
Speaker 3: a good hour in that oh this is like a
Speaker 3: it's like a horror flick.
Speaker 2: It's it's and I'm not saying this in a negative way,
Speaker 2: but it's kind of from dust till Dawn. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: you have like one hour of story. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: the middle they go Surprise Vampire. You know, I can't
Speaker 2: even imagine going into this not knowing what it is.
Speaker 3: That was honestly the best way to experience it. I'm
Speaker 3: so glad I did that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, because the first half of this movie
Speaker 2: is very like it reminded me kind of like a
Speaker 2: once upon a time in Hollywood hangout vibe. It's like
Speaker 2: a lot of really patient character introductions, right, like we're
Speaker 2: learning about these people as they interact with one another
Speaker 2: and go on errands with one another and stop by
Speaker 2: and visit people from their past. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: very very patient, right, but it's all very captivating, very
Speaker 2: much so.
Speaker 3: And what you realize is it's all place setting.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because by the by the time the movie ends,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh Sinners or as I as I'm
Speaker 3: gonna call it, don't trust the Whites. Nothing good comes
Speaker 3: because big. I mean, it really methodically lays out the
Speaker 3: the time period. Yes, Michael B. Jordan, I mean this
Speaker 3: this guy was nothing new here. I mean this guy
Speaker 3: is just magnetic. Yeah, yeah, you know, And and what's
Speaker 3: remarkable to me is how he manages to make both
Speaker 3: of these brothers feel very distinct from each other. But
Speaker 3: the other interesting thing I was thinking about this, I
Speaker 3: was like, it's also kind of genius that you have
Speaker 3: Michael B. Jordan playing both of them, because you don't
Speaker 3: know who's gonna die or if like you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, like if it's Michael B. Jordan and other
Speaker 3: guy as brother.
Speaker 2: Raw oh good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, You're like, well, probably Michael B. Jordan makes
Speaker 3: it to the end, you know, but he's like, well,
Speaker 3: we don't know, you know.
Speaker 2: And they're really interesting. I mean, it's like, these guys,
Speaker 2: a lot of it is reputation that we're hearing from
Speaker 2: other people about who they are and how dangerous they are,
Speaker 2: and they have a really sort of interesting story with
Speaker 2: their dad. I mean, we can get in a lot
Speaker 2: more in spoilers, but it's just I guess I brought
Speaker 2: all that up earlier talking about how it's almost like
Speaker 2: two halves and very patient because I was watching it
Speaker 2: thinking about its pace a little bit, and I was
Speaker 2: never bored. But it is unconventional and I only bring
Speaker 2: this stuff up because I want people to understand its
Speaker 2: wavelength when they show up, so they can like know
Speaker 2: what they're getting into. But I just dug it so
Speaker 2: much for all of those choices, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 2: all the I mean, we were talking about that with
Speaker 2: the Minecraft movie, which again I haven't seen, but maybe
Speaker 2: a movie that doesn't exercise a ton of patients, I'm imagining,
Speaker 2: you know, just wants to get to the funny thing,
Speaker 2: to the funny thing, to the funny thing to make
Speaker 2: sure it doesn't lose anybody. But we bring up a
Speaker 2: lot a movie like Diehard, which takes at least thirty
Speaker 2: minutes to get to any sort of action. It's all
Speaker 2: setting up character dynamics so we know who we're dealing
Speaker 2: with before everything unfolds. And this movie absolutely does that thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely true. Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And another thing I sort of thought about as I
Speaker 2: was watching it. You know, it kind of reminded me
Speaker 2: of sort of what we talk about like our personal
Speaker 2: heyday of movies, like the nineties or a little earlier,
Speaker 2: where it's like, at the end of the year, the
Speaker 2: top ten movies of the year would all be these
Speaker 2: new original things right right. Yeah, no sequels, no cinematic universes,
Speaker 2: no remakes, just new stuff that everybody saw and liked
Speaker 2: and it made a lot of money. Yeah, Like this
Speaker 2: reminded me of one of those movies that could have
Speaker 2: come out in the nineties where it's like it didn't
Speaker 2: need to be based on anything, it didn't need to
Speaker 2: be a sequel to anything. It was just, Oh, this
Speaker 2: filmmaker that we know is really good, has this original
Speaker 2: idea and it's coming out and this is the kind
Speaker 2: of thing we used to get every Friday, you know,
Speaker 2: and it it just I don't know why, but it
Speaker 2: made me think of that while I was watching it,
Speaker 2: Like I was just getting excited by the newness of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something new. I mean I think that I think
Speaker 3: Coogler has built up a rep for making thoughtful blockbusters,
Speaker 3: you know, franchise films, and I think this is a
Speaker 3: classic one for them, one for me play Yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: because I feel like people are gonna turn up because
Speaker 3: of him, and and it makes me excited whenever a
Speaker 3: filmmaker can become a brand unto themselves. Yes, And that's
Speaker 3: the general sense I get just from talking to my kids,
Speaker 3: like my students. I mean, they're excited to see this.
Speaker 3: Oh it's Ryan Coogler.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, and I'm like, good man, like that's that's
Speaker 3: what we want, you know. Ah like yeah, more more
Speaker 3: of this, Like like, I don't know how much this cost.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that expensive, you know. I would
Speaker 3: guess around one hundred maybe maybe less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and curious.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, that's that's what you should spend
Speaker 3: on something like this, because people are going to turn up,
Speaker 3: you know, people are looking for something. Like I think
Speaker 3: word of mouth on this is going to be very good.
Speaker 3: That's my point.
Speaker 2: I think so too. Excuse me. Budget it was ninety million,
Speaker 2: now there you go.
Speaker 3: See, I mean it looks it looks like they got
Speaker 3: a bang for their buck. They didn't, you know, spend
Speaker 3: exorbitantly on it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's gorgeously shot on seventy millimeter and using Imax cameras,
Speaker 2: and I think that that decision completely pays off. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's beautiful to look at, but it also just
Speaker 2: adds to the vibe, yeah, you know, the filmic look
Speaker 2: to it. Yeah. So I mean I do want to
Speaker 2: throw out there because I know we're sort of gushing
Speaker 2: over it, but I don't know that it's gonna necessarily
Speaker 2: be for everyone, because this is a really gory horror movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, which I was thinking about that actually, because about
Speaker 3: it about maybe maybe you know, two thirds of the
Speaker 3: way through I was going to I was thinking like, oh,
Speaker 3: I should tell I'm gonna to go see this, and
Speaker 3: then by the end I was like, nope, never mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's funny because it's typically
Speaker 2: not our genre, but I think it's just so well made,
Speaker 2: and it's so fun and it's so compelling to watch,
Speaker 2: and the craft and the skill and the execution is
Speaker 2: so good. I just couldn't help but just love it
Speaker 2: and be entertained.
Speaker 3: It's it's look in terms of story structure, you said,
Speaker 3: you said from Dustal Non, that's appropriate, you know, I
Speaker 3: would say also, and I did a Living Dead and
Speaker 3: that You've got the people in this confined space and
Speaker 3: they there's a mob of monsters outside, and you're you're
Speaker 3: in this place where you're like, you know, you sort
Speaker 3: of like who am I you know in this situation? Right,
Speaker 3: it's a great what would you do? Movie? Like there's
Speaker 3: the the the one lady. Who's who's basically the monsters.
Speaker 3: We want to get into spoilers, let's get in spoiled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, i'll say real quick, I think this is
Speaker 2: very very important. Uh there's a mid credits sequence.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and like it's huge, you must stay.
Speaker 2: I saw people, Well, I knew there was a mid
Speaker 2: credits and I did not post credits. Oh really okay,
Speaker 2: So and there's also one after the credits.
Speaker 3: See that. I did not know there's a post credit.
Speaker 2: Yes, and so I was watching people walk out okay,
Speaker 2: And I didn't know what the middle was, and but
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, it's too bad, they're going to
Speaker 2: miss it. The middle all right. I already liked the
Speaker 2: movie a lot. Yeah, the middle I think made me
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, we know you didn't see the middle. I
Speaker 3: saw the middle. I didn't know the middle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the very end, I thought, well, I mean
Speaker 2: it's not like it changes the film, but it's just
Speaker 2: a perfect like epilogue. I really loved that middle moment,
Speaker 2: credits moment.
Speaker 3: So now you got to tell me about the post
Speaker 3: because I didn't I didn't see.
Speaker 2: Well, i'll spoil it here. Just I won't spoil the
Speaker 2: middle one, because that's part of the story. The post
Speaker 2: credits is seeing the boy in the church with a
Speaker 2: guitar playing this little light of mine. Oh okay, it's
Speaker 2: just like a nice moment, and it's funny because it
Speaker 2: was literally me, my friend Busha, and this woman by
Speaker 2: yourself next to us, and we were the only ones
Speaker 2: left for that.
Speaker 3: Oh funny.
Speaker 2: And then the lights came up and the woman turned
Speaker 2: to us and she's like, well, I'm glad at least
Speaker 2: we stayed for that.
Speaker 3: I was like, we do.
Speaker 2: So I think it's worth it because it's it's fun.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I feel bad for the people that missed
Speaker 2: the middle credits moment because I thought it was really
Speaker 2: sort of essential. Yeah, I think so too. So yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, let's let's get into spoilers.
Speaker 3: Spoiler So you know the bit here is we got
Speaker 3: all these vampires and we'll circle back to the plot,
Speaker 3: but they got the vampire. Basically, they can't come into
Speaker 3: this place unless they're invited in.
Speaker 2: Yes, which I mean that's like vampire lore, right, but
Speaker 2: it was vampire one watching.
Speaker 3: It yet that I didn't know. I didn't know anything
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. And so you see this person like hey,
Speaker 2: can we come inside?
Speaker 3: Exactly yes, I mean I was connecting the dots because
Speaker 3: the first time we see the bad guy is his
Speaker 3: skin is burning, because that's true, right, But it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I'm not like, oh, okay, it's vampires. It took me
Speaker 3: once you know, the the the no shoot, what's her
Speaker 3: name was? What was her name? Annie? She says that
Speaker 3: they're vampires, right, And then at that point, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: but regardless, no, you have you have the the Asian
Speaker 3: woman who's pissed off because her husband has has become
Speaker 3: a vampire and she's like come and get us or
Speaker 3: something like that. Everybody's like, shut the hell up. I
Speaker 3: was like, I was like, it would just be my
Speaker 3: luck to be stuck in a place, in some big
Speaker 3: mouth like that.
Speaker 2: Right before we've reached a consensus about this.
Speaker 3: He's trying to you know, he's trying to cover her mouth,
Speaker 3: and she like bites his hand and stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, that's right, that's right. I loved all that
Speaker 2: playing with the vampire conventions.
Speaker 3: Oh, it was great, it was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And then oh, by the way, so when
Speaker 2: you're talking about the moment where he's burning and he
Speaker 2: runs up to that house and he's being chased by
Speaker 2: like commanche police or whoever, and that that moment's in
Speaker 2: the trailer, and it's kind of an interesting shot because
Speaker 2: you see him seemingly land into frame and then the
Speaker 2: camera follows him as he stumbles towards the house. I
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, that's a cool looking shot. I
Speaker 2: don't get it. And then when you watch the movie
Speaker 2: and you think about it later, you're like, oh, he
Speaker 2: was flying, like he was flying away from the house. Funny,
Speaker 2: and he just but they tease it where it's weird
Speaker 2: enough that you're like, huh, but then you just ignore it.
Speaker 2: But then when you know what's happening later and you
Speaker 2: see him flying, you're like.
Speaker 3: Oh cool, yeah, yeah, wow, okay, yeah see. I didn't
Speaker 3: even think about that. Yeah. No. The thought I had
Speaker 3: was like, the movie ends, or rather, the vampire story
Speaker 3: comes to something of a resolution, right, and Smoke Smoke
Speaker 3: tells Sammy like go home or whatever. Right, And we said, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: this is going to cycle back to the beginning of
Speaker 3: the movie when we see it, which I love the
Speaker 3: beginning where we it sets up how it's gonna end.
Speaker 3: But it's left vague enough where you have no idea
Speaker 3: what's actually gonna happen. Yeah. Uh, but then we get
Speaker 3: righteous vengeance.
Speaker 2: Yes, totally, we get almost like the end of Inglorious Bastards.
Speaker 2: Oh man, talk about a theater full of murderous monsters
Speaker 2: just taken out.
Speaker 3: You talk about like, I just love how they just
Speaker 3: added that on, Like it's it's it was a big picture.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't need that for the movie to
Speaker 3: be satisfying. It's like, no, no, we want to see
Speaker 3: some clansmen just just shot to pieces.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And and man, I was like that that that right there,
Speaker 3: that that made the whole the whole experience worth it,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, yeah, I mean this this movie has
Speaker 3: everything like it's it just it really does.
Speaker 2: You know, you get sort of like cool you know,
Speaker 2: rural gangster period, you know, first hour, you know, like
Speaker 2: I've was just even that moment where ah, shoot, I
Speaker 2: don't remember which one is which Michael B. Jordan it's
Speaker 2: basically you know, his his truck. You know, he's talking
Speaker 2: with that young girl and saying, you know, if there's
Speaker 2: any trouble, honked this horn, you know, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I'll pay you ten cents, but then when she accepts,
Speaker 2: she's like, no, we don't settle for ten cents.
Speaker 3: So that was smoke smoke love.
Speaker 2: That moment just hurt him, teaching her like know your value.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah right, And then it's like these guys are
Speaker 2: like trying to steal stuff out of the back, and
Speaker 2: when they realize who it is, they apologize, but then
Speaker 2: he shoots the guy in the leg anyway, like, well,
Speaker 2: I look, I need to keep up my rep. You
Speaker 2: gotta walk away with a limp at least, you know.
Speaker 2: I just it's just like cool, weird, you know, gangster
Speaker 2: film stuff right before you switch into like a vampire
Speaker 2: genre thing. And it's funny because then you have like
Speaker 2: a good horror film, like a good Tales from the
Speaker 2: Crypt episode, But on top of that, you also have
Speaker 2: this interesting layer where you can think about things like
Speaker 2: cultural assimilation, you know, like the way the vamp hires
Speaker 2: become a hive mind is really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right.
Speaker 2: Once once you're bitten, all the vampires share everything that
Speaker 2: they know with one another, and at one point, the
Speaker 2: head vampire says to the people inside the juke joint,
Speaker 2: I want your songs, I want your stories. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just like, you know, it's just like so it's
Speaker 2: it's just so there's so much. There's so much going on. Then,
Speaker 2: like you said, then there's the righteous vengeance ending, you know,
Speaker 2: and then you get like this incredible epilogue with what
Speaker 2: happens with the Blues Kid, which maybe we can get
Speaker 2: to it a little bit.
Speaker 3: But like, dude, the the bit where I was like,
Speaker 3: I was like, when when when Smoke gets shot at
Speaker 3: the end, right and they're like, oh man, you know,
Speaker 3: like you're like, uh shoot, like I thought he was
Speaker 3: gonna get out of this, you know. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: he sits down and you know, and you're like, oh man,
Speaker 3: and then he looks over, he sees Annie, he sees
Speaker 3: his baby. Yes, and you're like, oh, okay, no, then
Speaker 3: it's okay, you know, yes, and it's like, well, this
Speaker 3: is just it's the movie manipulating us, but in like
Speaker 3: the best way. You know.
Speaker 2: It was so well. I loved how it had its
Speaker 2: cake and ate it too. Because he's about to shoot
Speaker 2: the KKK like Grand Wizard or whatever. Yeah, but then
Speaker 2: he looks but he's himself is wounded, but he looks
Speaker 2: over Yah, sees his his lady and their baby that
Speaker 2: had passed away, and there was a little part of
Speaker 2: me was like I wanted to take that guy out,
Speaker 2: but like, okay, this is nice. He's crossing over. But
Speaker 2: then literally he like goes back to reality, wastes the
Speaker 2: guy and then throws his gun down and then looks
Speaker 2: back like, okay, back back to this, back to heaven.
Speaker 2: I saw this funny thing on read it by the
Speaker 2: way where it said says I'm sorry, I don't have
Speaker 2: the person's name, but it says Smoke got shd end
Speaker 2: of the deal between the twins, his kid died, had
Speaker 2: to kill the love of his life. Meanwhile Stack gets
Speaker 2: to spend eternity with Ailey Stanfield as a Bonnie and
Speaker 2: Clyde vampire couple. I was like, yeah, that does good. Well,
Speaker 2: hopefully he's in heaven right now with his woman and kid. Well, so.
Speaker 3: You said that the mid credits scene which reveals that
Speaker 3: Stack survived along with Mary, that made you love it.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing that I really loved about it was
Speaker 2: seeing so you know, there's this dilemma with the shoot.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what's his name? The kid? The musician kid
Speaker 2: Sammy Sammy. Yes. Excellent by the way, he's excellent actor,
Speaker 2: excellent performer, singer, incredible. So anyway, he has this preacher
Speaker 2: father who thinks that like music is evil, right, and
Speaker 2: he chooses music and then he gets put through this
Speaker 2: harrowing adventure and at the end of the movie, the
Speaker 2: main vampire you know, claws his face and he gets
Speaker 2: these scars, really prominent cuts on his face. Right, And
Speaker 2: at the end he kind of has to choose, like, well,
Speaker 2: do I stick with my creativity or do I follow
Speaker 2: sort of the strictures that my dad are setting up
Speaker 2: for me. And we see him, you know, drive away
Speaker 2: in the car, still clinging to this busted guitar, which
Speaker 2: is a good enough ending, right, that's right. But then
Speaker 2: we get this mid credit sequence where we see a
Speaker 2: blues man played by Buddy Guy which is really playing
Speaker 2: in modern day or no it's the nineties. Sorry, it's
Speaker 2: like nineteen ninety two playing at a club and he
Speaker 2: kind of turns his face and we see four huge scars,
Speaker 2: you know, claw mark scars on his face. I was like, ah,
Speaker 2: love this, love this like he's stuck with it. He
Speaker 2: did his thing, his passion. That was enough for me.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's a fun that's a fun bag. Then, yes,
Speaker 2: Then when you see Smoke and Mary come in stacked
Speaker 2: Sam Rent, I'm so sorry, Red, you know what I
Speaker 2: need to do. It's like red hat, blue hat. It's
Speaker 2: kind of either differentiated. When he comes in with Mary
Speaker 2: and they're still alive, there's still vampire. They're wearing these
Speaker 2: nineties clothes. Yeah, you know, because it's nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two and just going in there and there's
Speaker 2: this like incredible moment where Stack like sniffs him and
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, you don't have a lot of time left,
Speaker 2: you know. I was like, this is I don't know
Speaker 2: what sci fi is the right word, but it just
Speaker 2: like all the things I love, you know, just sort
Speaker 2: of like heightened reality kind of storytelling. But it's sweet
Speaker 2: in a weird dark way, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And it just put it over the top. I'm like,
Speaker 2: you didn't even have to have that, but I just
Speaker 2: absolutely loved seeing that moment all these years later.
Speaker 3: It's funny because we don't see Smoke kill him, and
Speaker 3: I had that initial thought. I was like, we didn't
Speaker 3: see it, yeah, And I was kind of expecting him
Speaker 3: to come back during like the body of the story.
Speaker 3: So I just forgot about it. And then it's like, oh, duh, right,
Speaker 3: So that's why I was like, really glad I did
Speaker 3: hang out through the credit scene, you know, and I
Speaker 3: love that that He's like, uh, smoke made me promise
Speaker 3: to leave you alone. Yes, yes, that's right, that's right
Speaker 3: he kept and he kept his word, you know.
Speaker 2: Yes. Ah, the brothers and then the whole thing too,
Speaker 2: with the ending where he couldn't roll the cigarette and
Speaker 2: his brother he always is asking his brother for the cigarette.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling like a little choked up thinking about it
Speaker 2: right now, Like this that's the thing, man, Like it's
Speaker 2: there was it's it is this splattery horror movie. But
Speaker 2: the characters are so rich. It's a good story period period,
Speaker 2: you know. And then you also get all this fun
Speaker 2: playing with the like I was saying with the vampire. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm jumping all over the place now, but it's a
Speaker 2: good when when the kid takes out Sammy takes out
Speaker 2: the lead vampire with the guitar made of metal and
Speaker 2: it's like burning through his head. I was like, brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 2: I mean it was just set up from the beginning
Speaker 2: that guitar. I loved all that stuff and then all
Speaker 2: that yeah again with the vampire conventions, the whole all right,
Speaker 2: well one of us might be a vampire, so we
Speaker 2: all have to eat this garlic in a circle and
Speaker 2: you know, the girl refusing it and they're like just
Speaker 2: pointing a gun another do it.
Speaker 3: And using thee. Yeah. Yeah, it was great in this.
Speaker 2: I always love seeing del Roylando.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anytime he gets to he gets to really rip,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Well, and that gets into the patients of the I
Speaker 2: don't even know. I haven't thought about it in terms
Speaker 2: of acts, but it almost feels like two acts in
Speaker 2: a way. Yeah, and uh, the introduction of him, you know,
Speaker 2: being sort of this alcoholic musician just playing as harmonica,
Speaker 2: but the way that they bring him in and there's
Speaker 2: clearly a history there and an understanding and they know
Speaker 2: how to lure him in. And you know, first he
Speaker 2: doesn't want to hear the kid play the guitar, but
Speaker 2: then we see them playing together happily, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like that stuff was I'm
Speaker 2: glad the movie allowed for all of those moments in
Speaker 2: their entirety, you know what I mean. Yeah, Yeah, anyway. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of just going and going. I don't want
Speaker 2: to talk about Well.
Speaker 3: During that mid credits scene when when old Sammy talks
Speaker 3: about how like before everything went to shit, like do
Speaker 3: you think about that day? Yes? And how and how
Speaker 3: Stack is like, yes, last time I saw my brother,
Speaker 3: the last time I saw.
Speaker 2: Daylight Sun Yes, you know, yeah, yeah, it's like his
Speaker 2: last great day or whatever.
Speaker 3: He says it.
Speaker 2: Oh so poignant and beautiful. Yeah, I can't believe it's
Speaker 2: tucked into the credits.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, I mean it's sort of it's almost
Speaker 3: like at this point we have been conditioned to stick
Speaker 3: around through the credits, and so Ryan Coogler is sort
Speaker 3: of relying on people's muscle memory to take over. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, and and and I think I think it's
Speaker 3: it's worth it in this regard, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and he also does that he guides you
Speaker 2: there a little bit because he's showing clips of Buddy
Speaker 2: Guy as the first credits start. And also, I mean,
Speaker 2: I've brought it up a lot, but I highly recommend
Speaker 2: this app called after Credits. I mean, every movie, when
Speaker 2: the credits begin, I open up that app and it
Speaker 2: tells you if there is something during the middle or
Speaker 2: the very end.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, that's what I should have I should have checked that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, hey, big fans of Sinners again, or as
Speaker 3: I call it, don't trust the Whites. Yeah, that is
Speaker 3: my firm takeaway from this movie.
Speaker 2: Well that reminds me, by the way, like I really
Speaker 2: did enjoy the I don't know a ton about vampire
Speaker 2: you know stories, but like there was something kind of
Speaker 2: I don't know, like an easy but interesting and captivating
Speaker 2: about once they did turn into vampires and they're all
Speaker 2: out there singing together, kind of coexisting. They're this hive mind.
Speaker 2: They now know what everyone else among them knows. And
Speaker 2: you know, was that that's when that Irish song happens,
Speaker 2: right they do the jig?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my gosh. We haven't talked about the best
Speaker 2: part of the entire movie, the when Sammy starts playing
Speaker 2: and they're saying, some musicians are so powerful that when
Speaker 2: they play, like the ghosts of musicians past and the
Speaker 2: people of musicians' future all exist on the same plane.
Speaker 2: And so Sammy starts playing this song and everyone in
Speaker 2: the juke joint just is like so into it, and
Speaker 2: then the camera kind of you know, moves over and
Speaker 2: you see this like funkadelic looking guy, you know, with
Speaker 2: a guitar who looks completely out of place in the
Speaker 2: nineteen thirties. And then you like move over again and
Speaker 2: you see like you know, tribesmen playing on like percussion instruments.
Speaker 2: And then you see like you know, these Asian dancers,
Speaker 2: you know, and it just all of music existing it
Speaker 2: once in this barn. And then the you know literally,
Speaker 2: you know, the roof is on five like literally that happens.
Speaker 2: The roof is on fire, the building burns down. Yet
Speaker 2: these people like they don't even see it. The music's
Speaker 2: too powerful. They're just existing together in this incredible moment.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is the scene of the year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was well.
Speaker 3: And it's just it the the coogler expects you to
Speaker 3: understand what's happening. Yes, yes, it's you know, it's not
Speaker 3: commented on. It's just part of the craft, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you you know, in a lesser capable filmmaker's hands,
Speaker 2: that could be kind of goofy, right, but like instead,
Speaker 2: like the combination of the music that's being played the
Speaker 2: way that it is revealed, it feels very powerful and poignant,
Speaker 2: and it's just like, yeah, I don't know. It's just
Speaker 2: if you need any sort of calling card of the
Speaker 2: display of power that Coogler, you know, possesses, film like
Speaker 2: go no further, yeah scene.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I should mention Jack O'Connell as as the
Speaker 3: lead vampire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 3: That's creepy as hell. And and I was actually surprised
Speaker 3: that Hayley Steinfeld sort of exits the the group relatively quickly.
Speaker 2: You know, mmmm, wait, wait, because you mean when before
Speaker 2: she's turned or exactly yeah, yeah, before she's turned.
Speaker 3: You know that because she's she's like second build after
Speaker 3: after Michael B. Jordan, you know, right right, because it
Speaker 3: feels like she doesn't get as much to do once
Speaker 3: she becomes part of the Horde.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, that's that's true. That's true.
Speaker 3: That all being said, you know, when she goes out there,
Speaker 3: they're singing the song Wild Mountain Time, which I love.
Speaker 3: I love that song, and I'm like, well, god damn it.
Speaker 3: Now it's like, yeah, I'm gonna have that association now.
Speaker 2: You know, that's really funny. But I did like the
Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of interesting. And then you see
Speaker 2: the poor guy, you know, the bouncer, and he becomes
Speaker 2: like a part of them. And that was the other
Speaker 2: thing too, like, well he he's just out trying to
Speaker 2: take a piss, right, and then he gets yeah, and
Speaker 2: then that whole prolonged scene of him trying to get inside. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and then you know they're not some of
Speaker 2: them aren't.
Speaker 3: No, No, that was it. It was that was a different guy.
Speaker 2: Well no, no, no, he well he was turned. I mean
Speaker 2: he was a vampire and he's trying.
Speaker 3: When he's trying to get ice, is it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like a fun because there's.
Speaker 3: The one guy who they accidentally took out.
Speaker 2: Yees, So then I was gonna yeah yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I just I really enjoyed that prolonged knowing he's
Speaker 2: a vampire. They're not certain, but just the way, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's come on, yeah.
Speaker 3: Come on, let me come on, can I come in?
Speaker 2: Come on?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well let's least uh, let's you got to
Speaker 2: pay me, right, so it's once you hand me over
Speaker 2: the money, you know. But then so after we've had
Speaker 2: that moment, yes, then we have the guy who is
Speaker 2: not a vampire, who just wants to be.
Speaker 3: Let the hell in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't. He's like, let me in, let
Speaker 2: me in. Then it's like, well, I mean, are we
Speaker 2: gonna let anybody into this?
Speaker 3: I'm not. Yeah, good stuff, I mean it is. It's
Speaker 3: one of those things where I'm I kind of I
Speaker 3: want to watch it again now knowing what I know,
Speaker 3: so that I can sort of track a little all
Speaker 3: the little tells and whatever. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so hey, it's not funny, dude. I mean,
Speaker 2: we are like not horror guys.
Speaker 3: Not at all. I was thinking about I was actually
Speaker 3: thinking about that yesterday. I was like, by the time
Speaker 3: of the climax, I was like, this is probably about
Speaker 3: the limit for both of us in terms of what
Speaker 3: like what we're okay with horror.
Speaker 2: Wise, you know, wise, I would say that, And I
Speaker 2: think for me, it also has a lot to do
Speaker 2: with the story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's a it's a worthy story, and
Speaker 2: there's characters that I can really give, Like, I just
Speaker 2: don't like the whole thing where people are just picked
Speaker 2: off and the quote unquote fun is watching people begging
Speaker 2: for their lives before it's killed spectacularly.
Speaker 3: I don't that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just makes me feel bad, and like this though,
Speaker 2: was a really interesting story and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: like tragedy that happens, but I mean, yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of emotion and payoff and pathos at the end.
Speaker 2: Like we were saying, you know, my brother said to
Speaker 2: let you live and you know, talking about their their
Speaker 2: last best days and just it's that's just a good
Speaker 2: story regardless of genre.
Speaker 3: I agree. Yeah, so two big thumbs up for Sinners.
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