WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:09.519 Welcome Friends podcast podcast is do show JACKI again Ryan. 2 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:12.480 They're talking about Booby mom. 3 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:24.760 Ma in the race for the world's most advanced communications technologies. 4 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:29.960 Together they will search and the more they discover, the 5 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:32.200 greater the danger. 6 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:34.320 An animal move like that. 7 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:36.000 We're getting out of here. 8 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:39.920 Put them on the indangered species left from the best 9 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:43.960 selling novel by the author of Jurassic Party. 10 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:49.000 Congo, where you are the endangered species. 11 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:57.359 Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name is 12 00:00:57.399 --> 00:00:58.759 Zachi As. I'm here with Brian Hall. 13 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.560 Brian to be here. 14 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.560 And without you even having had your your your customary martini. 15 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:09.680 That's right, that's right. 16 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:13.200 Hey, we're here to watch Congo. 17 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:16.480 Yes, and for me, this will be my second time 18 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:18.519 watching Congo, because I watched it for the first time 19 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:19.799 to prepare for this commentary. 20 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.439 Well, this will be my third time because that's I've 21 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:23.840 only seen it once more than you. 22 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:25.640 Oh wow, okay, okay, yeah. 23 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:28.560 So this is a movie that celebrated its thirtieth anniversary 24 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:30.439 just a few weeks ago as we were recording this, 25 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:32.680 and it is a movie we have gotten a ton 26 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:36.640 of requests for and so you know, as tends to 27 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:38.959 be the case, I pitched it to Brian. I was like, hey, 28 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:41.280 it's under two hours. 29 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:43.560 He knows my love language. 30 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:48.680 That's all it took. He's like, go on, Yeah, so 31 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:52.239 this is this is based on the novel by Michael Crichton, 32 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:55.359 although I think that's the extent of the involvement that 33 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:58.519 Michael Crichton had in this film, right, and it is 34 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:00.760 certainly a time capsule. I will say that. 35 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:05.319 I love your tone. I'll certainly say that. 36 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:06.799 Yeah. 37 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:08.280 No, I think this is gonna be a fun one 38 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:12.280 because I, as I often say, I love revisiting these 39 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.520 nineties movies that I missed because I just by virtue 40 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.319 of my age, I'm just very endeared to the filmmaking 41 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:21.080 style of the nineties and so seeing new artifacts from 42 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:24.039 it is always delightful, especially ones as wacky as this one. 43 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.439 Indeed, Yeah, and that is I think that is the 44 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:31.240 right word for it. So with that in mind, I 45 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:33.159 figured like, hey, let's just let's just dive right in. 46 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:36.520 What do you think I'm ready? So we will do 47 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:38.520 the usual thing. We will play on three. So one, 48 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:42.240 two three play and are we gonna do that right now? One? 49 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:46.599 Two three play? 50 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:50.680 So this is two years after Jurassic Park, right, two years. 51 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.719 Yeah, so by way of context, the genesis of this 52 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:58.560 pro project began many years before, but in the heat 53 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:03.199 of Jurassic Park Afterglow, Hollywood was just ready to jump 54 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:05.240 on anything that had the Crichton name attached, and this 55 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.599 one had been working its way through the collective GI 56 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:13.000 tract of the industry before it was finally expelled in 57 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:18.439 nineteen ninety five. Yeah. 58 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:22.599 Michael Crichton's interesting because I was introduced to him. I mean, 59 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.039 I think as most people around our age were through 60 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:30.879 Jurassic Park, and later I learned well, so then it 61 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.199 was interesting to me to watch that Simpsons episode where 62 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.479 they go to Itchy and Scratchy Land, and I think 63 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:37.719 that that's based on Jurassic Park, and it partially is, 64 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.759 but it's mostly based on Westworld West World, Yeah, right, 65 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:41.159 and so. 66 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:43.520 I would say more so West World than Jurassic Park. 67 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:47.759 Definitely, definitely. And so later in life I realized that, oh, 68 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:51.400 Michael Crichton didn't sort of begin in the early nineties. Yeah, 69 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:56.280 you know, he was a successful author, director, screenwriter in 70 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:57.120 the seventies. 71 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:01.280 Yeah, a computer programmer. I mean, he's a true jack 72 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:01.960 of all trades. 73 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:06.520 Yeah. So this book came out in nineteen eighty Congo. Yeah, 74 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:09.879 and from everything I've heard through the research I've done, 75 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:13.360 it's different, a little different than this movie. But and 76 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:16.199 you know, any of the things that you nitpick in 77 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.879 this movie, it sounds like the book is actually pretty good. 78 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:19.959 Like people. 79 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:25.319 Yeah, it's more of a straight ahead adventure. And I 80 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:29.120 mean the genesis of the story began with Crichton having 81 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:33.000 directed a movie called The Great Train Robbery, which I 82 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:34.639 think outside of the US was called the first Great 83 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.959 Train Robbery, but it starred Sean Connery, and so he 84 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.560 was so enamored of his time with Sean Connery that 85 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:45.279 he wrote Congo with Sean Connery in mind to play 86 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:49.000 the adventurer who would lead the movie, you know, a 87 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:54.560 great white hunter Charles Monroe and kind of a character 88 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.560 in the vein of Alan Quartermain of King Solomon's minds. 89 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.560 And obviously that movie version of the movie didn't get made, 90 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:05.279 although ironically, you know, Sean Connery did play Alan Quartermain. 91 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:07.600 It was his last movie, you know, The League of 92 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:08.439 Extordinary Gentlemen. 93 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.879 That's pretty wild, the movie that pretty much made him. 94 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:18.920 Retire exactly, so you know, but yeah, this had been 95 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:23.759 Crichton had planned to direct this okay. And what it 96 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:25.720 came down to this was when it was at twentyeth 97 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:29.000 century Fox, and he said he would not do it 98 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:32.079 unless he could have a real gorilla play the character 99 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:37.160 of Amy Amy being a gorilla, just to clarify, and 100 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:40.240 and Fox was like, are you insane? 101 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.720 Yeah, this is the early eighties attempt at making this movie. 102 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:48.959 And you know what, though, I can appreciate his thinking 103 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:52.360 because I'm sure at that time, you know, I mean, 104 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.680 you think of this, was it seventy seven King Kong, Yes, 105 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:00.800 seventy six, seventy six. I enjoyed its great, but it's 106 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.920 a very much like a monkey suit guy in a suit, 107 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.600 guy in a suit. And we still have guy in 108 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.720 suit in this one. But the you know, you have 109 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:13.480 servos in the head and great care being taken with 110 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:16.360 their eyeballs and irises and the like, you know what 111 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:17.920 I mean, Like they've come a long way in terms 112 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:20.040 of suits with I mean San Winston, for goodness sake, 113 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:21.800 he's the other guy who made the suit. 114 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:21.800 So. 115 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:28.319 I can see his apprehension in the early eighties wanting 116 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:31.439 to do that. Yeah, I'm stiking to screaming Bruce Campbell. 117 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:32.879 I was surprised to see this. 118 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:36.600 Bruce Campbell was always a bridesmaid, never a bride when 119 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:39.680 it comes to these movies because because he he auditioned 120 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:44.639 for the role of doctor Peter Elliott and that went 121 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:47.240 to Dylan Waalsh, so they let him be you know, 122 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.360 guy guy the Hey, that guy who gets killed off early. 123 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:53.879 See. Now, I didn't know that, and I thought, oh, 124 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.399 I had no idea this was a Bruce Campbell movie. 125 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.160 And uh oh when you were watching. 126 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:03.240 Yeah, yeah, I knew nothing about this except that the 127 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:09.800 gorilla could talk, you know, through technology. I gotta say, 128 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:14.519 I mean, just right off the bat, this movie, I 129 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:17.480 almost felt like I was watching an inside joke I 130 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:23.199 didn't get as I was watching it. I think it 131 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:24.759 helps if you're gonna watch this for the first time 132 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.639 in twenty twenty five, to either have a fond nostalgia 133 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.639 for it or to know what you're getting into. And 134 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:34.000 I think I'm gonna have a lot more fun watching 135 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:37.800 it this time with you knowing what it is. But 136 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:39.920 all have to say, like, I just didn't find the 137 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.079 leads very dynamic, no, which I think is a big problem. 138 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:47.800 Well, and it's it's puzzling because they're all decent actors. 139 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.959 Yeah, yeah, but they just don't pop. And it kind 140 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.040 of makes me wish Bruce Campbell had been one of 141 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:56.399 the leads in this thing. I think he would have 142 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:58.680 brought an energy that would have really helped propel it 143 00:07:59.079 --> 00:07:59.360 a lot. 144 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:01.639 I agree with that. You could have put him in 145 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.240 as Doctor Ellie. You could have made him Monroe Kelly. 146 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:08.160 Oh sure, yeah, yeah, either way, you could. 147 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:10.240 Have bought him. Although I like Ernie Hudson, but I. 148 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.319 Gotta say me too, I really love what he's doing 149 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:12.560 in this. 150 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.879 But yeah, you know, it's just like in Dark Man 151 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.680 five years earlier. You know, he had auditioned to play 152 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.160 the main character. They gave him a little cameo at 153 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.720 the end, and then ly Bruce Campbell in this. 154 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.399 Yeah, and then he's in the Doctor Strange multiverse of 155 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:30.519 Madness and basically just gets to punch himself in the 156 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:32.840 face for two minutes. You know, like that's right, you 157 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:33.759 just can't get a break. 158 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.639 And in all three Sam Raimi Spider Man movies also right. 159 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:43.159 Right, But it's interesting because and when I say with 160 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:46.759 dynamic leads, it's not star power, because I mean, you 161 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.000 look at Jurassic Park two years earlier. Those people weren't stars. Really. 162 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:53.120 I mean, it wasn't Harrison Ford or whoever, like, but 163 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:57.240 they're perfectly cast there. Whatever it is that they possess 164 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:01.799 as people they make those character is interesting, and unfortunately 165 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.440 I'm not getting that shining off of this cast. 166 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.679 Yeah. Well, what it is really is that everybody is 167 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:14.200 kind of in their own They're they're on each on 168 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:16.240 a different highway. They're not even in a different lane. 169 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:19.240 Please expand on that, because I agree. 170 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:24.440 Yeah. Well, like Joe Don Baker over here, who is 171 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:31.679 energetic to maybe a maximal degree, I'm like, bro, like, 172 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:33.279 just tone it down a little man. 173 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:38.039 Like yeah yeah, yeah, well well and Tim Curry, like 174 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.279 it feels like Tim Curry understood the assignment he did. 175 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:46.720 He's playing this really fun, colorful side character. Well that's 176 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:49.279 the thing too. I was reading people's takes on this, 177 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:51.320 and it was saying some people realize they were in 178 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:53.519 a comedy and others didn't realize they were in a comedy. 179 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:58.360 Yeah, well, so rewatching this. Yeah, generally you don't want 180 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.720 to find an eyeball in your hand, you know, it. 181 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:05.000 Makes you think of Minority Report. I just eyeball stuff 182 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:05.519 is just. 183 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:08.519 Yeah, not a fan, No, I'm not a fan, and 184 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.480 I should say Jodn Baker rip because he just like 185 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:15.840 within the last two months he passed away. Oh, a 186 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.399 very unique presence. I put him in the same bucket 187 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:23.879 as like mm At Walsh, you know, totally just a 188 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:27.200 type all by himself, you know, totally Yes, But no, 189 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:31.039 as I said, I had watched this. I rented this 190 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.039 on VHS from from Hollywood Video shortly after it came out, 191 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:37.639 and then you know, I haven't watched it since. And 192 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:40.440 rewatching it now for this commentary track, I was like, man, 193 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:50.440 this is I'm getting WPWR syndicated right, like Saturday afternoon 194 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:52.679 syndicated show Energy Zachy. 195 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:55.240 This is literally what I wrote word for word in 196 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:58.279 my notes. It feels like a cross between a WGN 197 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:11.559 Saturday Afternoon syndicated television series with a Disney Sunday night movie. Unbelievable. Yes, 198 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:16.960 that's exactly what this is. And so but here's the thing. 199 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:20.360 As I'm watching the screen now and we're talking about it, 200 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.200 I am feeling more charitable toward it, sure, and like, oh, 201 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.240 this thing right right, And then I know that this 202 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.840 guy is very funny and doesn't care about his son. 203 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:31.159 He cares more about diamonds and like I'm I kind 204 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:34.639 of a chuckle already at the ready as I'm watching this, 205 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:38.360 and the first time I thought I was watching I 206 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:41.440 certainly not Jurassic Park, but like, oh, a pretty good 207 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:43.679 blockbuster from the nineties, that's what I thought I was getting. 208 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:47.960 Sure, well, I would assume that's what audiences thought they 209 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:52.919 were getting, which would which would explain why it did 210 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:53.759 very well. 211 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:58.559 Yeah. Yeah, it opened really well. It was a fifty 212 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.840 million dollar budget ultimately in the US and Canada made 213 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:04.360 eighty one million worldwide, one hundred and fifty million, undred. 214 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:07.080 And fifty ninety five. Yeah, so I mean it ended 215 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:10.559 up doing okay. I will say I remember very distinctly 216 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:16.480 my interest in this film was twofold number one. You know, 217 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.840 the criton of it all got me, got me intrigued, 218 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:21.919 and you know, they had the whole marketing campaign. They 219 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:24.279 had a whole bunch of toys and things, which, dude, 220 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:27.120 the notion of a toy line for this movie is 221 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:30.639 like comical, right it It might as well be like 222 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:35.080 the Philadelphia Action figure line on SNL, you know, because 223 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.759 this is not a particularly toy atic movie, right. However, 224 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:42.399 so it was like, oh, kids, go see this, but 225 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:45.440 also in the mid nineties. I remember this was in 226 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:48.200 the lead up to potentially a New Planet of the 227 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.960 Apes movie. Oh interesting, And at the time there was like, oh, 228 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.000 stan Winston's going to do the effects, and I was like, well, 229 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:57.480 stan Winston's doing the apes in this. Let's see, let's 230 00:12:57.519 --> 00:12:59.879 see like how that might look, you know. And then 231 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.120 he had Jerry Goldsmith doing the score and I'm like, hey, 232 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.559 Jerry Goldsmith doing the score, but adjacent movie, you know 233 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:08.080 very much, not that. 234 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:13.039 Yeah, yeah, I'm just to place it in the timeline 235 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:20.799 of you know, the era. This beat Casper, which is 236 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:22.440 kind of interesting, and then the next week it was 237 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:25.480 overtaken by Batman Forever. So that's kind of what was 238 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:30.320 going on when this came out. But interesting, you know 239 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:32.320 what's funny though, I mean, well, I guess we're getting 240 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:33.679 to it right now. Well we should talk about what 241 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.799 happened a little bit. So we open where this like 242 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:41.200 telecom company. I guess they're mining for diamonds in this 243 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.600 remote area that will I don't know, make their the 244 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.360 stuff that they produced function better, right, And so they 245 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.960 have this team over there on an expedition and it 246 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:53.480 looks like they're getting attacked you know, we see like 247 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:56.120 a blurry gorilla type figure in front of the camera. 248 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:57.840 They don't know exactly what's going on. And in the 249 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.480 head of the company that's his son who's over there right, 250 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:04.159 who looks like he's being attacked by a guerrilla. So 251 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:08.559 his Bruce Campbell, the guy over in the encampment, his 252 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:13.200 ex fiance ex fiance, ex fiance, is like, we have 253 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:17.559 to go over there and and help him, and the 254 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:19.879 dad's like, yeah, absolutely, and then he's. 255 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:22.399 Like, diamond diamond, uga booga, diamond diamond. 256 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.600 Exactly, and she's like, no, no, I need you to 257 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:27.120 tell me. We're doing this because you love your son. 258 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:29.519 Yes, I love my diamond, I mean son exactly. 259 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:31.759 That's basically what the first like ten minutes of this 260 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:34.559 movie are. Yes, so we know that this guy is 261 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:38.600 capital e evil, willing to let his son die so 262 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:41.080 he can get diamonds that will help his business. And 263 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:44.960 we have the you know, ex fiance who's willing to travel. 264 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:48.240 They should have had him absent mindedly polishing a diamond 265 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:50.799 and then he looks up and says, huh, yes, I 266 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:52.919 mean my son, and then he goes back to polishing. 267 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:56.120 Yes. It's sort of like mister Blackheart from the Citizens 268 00:14:56.120 --> 00:15:01.080 with the ivory, the ivory boots, the iphy. Yes, exactly exactly. 269 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:07.679 I will admit it took me a minute. No, no, 270 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:09.519 not a minute. When the movie was over, I was like, 271 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:12.039 how did all these people come together on this same expedition? 272 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:13.200 I didn't understand. 273 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:14.879 You have to connect the dots a little bit. 274 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:19.200 Yeah, two thirds of it makes sense to me. I'm 275 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:22.399 not sure how Laura Lenny was aware that this plane 276 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:25.679 was leaving, but she's the one who's willing to fund it, 277 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.080 so they need That's how they all need one another basically. 278 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:31.679 But yeah, I think it's happenstance. 279 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:33.799 Amazing. 280 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.840 I think, right, maybe I'm wrong. 281 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:39.960 Well, hey, I don't know, but it seemed like it 282 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:41.799 was a little different in the book, a little streamlined. 283 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.360 But anyway, No, that's Mary Ellen Trainer. 284 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:47.440 Look at that. We got a little mini Goonies reunit 285 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.720 in here, because we got Joey Pants in just a 286 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:51.240 little bit too. 287 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:54.159 I was surprised and delighted to see him. Yep. 288 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:57.720 Yeah, And it's weird. It's it's it's episodic, where you 289 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:00.440 just have people kind of wander in and out, people 290 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.080 who are just familiar enough wander in where you're like, hey, 291 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:03.720 where are you going? 292 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:06.840 Yeah? Yeah, you expect them to be bigger characters. 293 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:11.559 Yeah yeah. And by the way, the grantaslov as a likable, 294 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.399 doomed partner. Yeah, I wonder you couldn't see the bull's eye. 295 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:16.200 And that guy's had a. 296 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:20.159 Say I know, I know, And I was actually thinking, 297 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:21.399 like he had to go out there. I don't know 298 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:24.200 where they are, like Costa Rica or something, And there's 299 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:27.080 entire scenes where he like doesn't say anything, He's just 300 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:30.120 standing there. Yeah, and then he gets like one line 301 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.639 like I don't like the looks of this, you know 302 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:34.240 kind of stuff, And I was like, man, what a 303 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.440 sort of thinkless role. Although I every time it focuses 304 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:39.399 on him, I'm happy. If I was in a test 305 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.720 screening on the card, I would put please a little 306 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:43.159 bit more of his flavor. 307 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:45.159 A little more Faisal or whatever his name is in 308 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:48.120 this movie. Yeah, Richard, that's it. 309 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:49.279 Yep. 310 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:54.679 So speaking of this suit, I don't know Tim Curry 311 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:56.360 is up to no good there, Brian, I don't know. 312 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.440 Yeah. I almost wish he had something the showed a 313 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.919 little bit more adventure her like in his costuming, Like 314 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:05.599 why he stands out like, why is this guy in 315 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.240 this meeting? You know what I mean, like a Indiana 316 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:12.640 Jones hat and a scarf, a handkerchief or something. I'm 317 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:16.920 turning it into a full cartoon. But the Amy speaking of, 318 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:22.400 like the gorilla costumes, look, do they entirely hold up 319 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.799 to a twenty twenty five? I? I don't know. That's 320 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:27.640 kind of up to you. Amy completely worked for me. 321 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.839 I think Amy and the Silverbacks worked. I think like 322 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:36.240 the normal gorillas, not the mutant gorillas. 323 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:39.480 Agreed, Yeah, no, yeah, the silver Back that looks incredible. 324 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:43.799 Amy looks a little slightly more humanoid, I think because 325 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:48.680 they needed her to have an expressiveness. Yeah, which I 326 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.359 really loved. I loved Amy. I thought she was sweet 327 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:53.160 and I was like. 328 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:55.039 No, take care of her. 329 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:58.559 She needs to be protected. So I in terms of that, 330 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:00.519 all that completely worked for me and this movie. 331 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:08.359 So there's James Karen, another character actor who's long list 332 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.880 of credits. He's in the original Return of the Living Dead, 333 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:16.279 and he is in Superman Returns Wow, and actually, well 334 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:21.880 we're talking about Superman. Dylan Walsh he was recently a 335 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:24.720 regular on Superman and Lewis. He played General Sam Lay 336 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:25.519 and Lois's father. 337 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:27.039 Oh wow. 338 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:30.759 And he was, of course, about ten years after this movie. 339 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:34.000 He came to the renewed fame because he was the 340 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:36.599 co lead of Nip Tuck alongside Julian McMahon. 341 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:39.480 I swear I didn't even put it together. I didn't 342 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:41.640 really watch Niptuk, so he's not at the forefront of 343 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:43.599 my mind. But I was like, man, that guy's face 344 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:46.519 looks so familiar, but he's got this really shaggy, curly 345 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:48.359 hair here, very different. 346 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:51.880 Yeah, it's weird because I'm sort of used to seeing 347 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:53.200 him with the old guy face. 348 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:55.640 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, maybe that's it too. 349 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:58.240 Yeah, it's like, oh, yeah, I guess I guess he 350 00:18:58.319 --> 00:18:59.640 was young at one time. 351 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:06.119 Right, right. So this well, so, I mean the plot 352 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:10.160 again here is Amy is making all these drawings of 353 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:14.400 the jungle, and so her trainer or whatever you would 354 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:15.960 call him, is like, I think it's time for her 355 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.480 to go back home, right see. 356 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.240 And and the thing what I bump up against is 357 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:27.480 I believe that these primates have a certain level of 358 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:31.119 innate intelligence. I think ascribing language to them is maybe 359 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:36.440 a bridge too far, right, Like even even these apes 360 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:38.519 that that are taught sign language. I mean, I think 361 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:42.640 that it's you know, I mean, they're not they're not 362 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:45.079 experiencing cognition the way we do. 363 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:49.359 I'm glad you brought that up, Zachy. So Amy obviously 364 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:51.920 reminded me of Coco of Coco, right, who was a 365 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.000 very famous gorilla geez whin like that when we were 366 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:56.480 growing up. 367 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:56.920 Yeah. 368 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:00.119 Right, And I actually just wait, hold on this, this 369 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:04.359 is the thing. See, I wasn't quite tracking. So obviously 370 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:08.920 he's going and he just did a seminar doctor Peter 371 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:12.640 Yes talking about how Amy can communicate, and it sounds 372 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:14.200 like she wants to go home, so we're gonna take 373 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:16.720 her home. And she's been making these drawings and in 374 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:19.039 her drawings of the jungle, she included a picture of 375 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:23.079 an eye, right right. So Tim Curry, who's attending this. 376 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:25.160 He is her kermer Homolka. 377 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:28.839 Yeah, I'm gonna call him Tim Curry. Just I'm just 378 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:30.920 making a note at the beginning of this so people understand. 379 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:37.359 But you put some respect on mister Homolka's name. 380 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:44.880 It's like Bob blah blah. So anyway, uh, Tim Curry again, 381 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:46.519 I don't know why he's attending the seminar, but he 382 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:49.480 sees this eye that looks just like an eye. And 383 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:52.599 it's like that is that looks like that very specific 384 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:54.920 guy that I have on this ring that comes from 385 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:56.000 this lost city, and. 386 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.640 And this sinister music on the soundtrack accuse us in 387 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.160 that that something, something is afoot with this fella. 388 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:07.240 He has motives. Yeah, so so he wants to get 389 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:11.400 in on this journey because he thinks wherever he maybe 390 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.119 this ape or a gorilla has seen the very place 391 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:17.720 that he's looking for where he can find all these diamonds. Right, 392 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.640 so that makes sense why he's like, okay, buddy, let 393 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:22.559 me join you. Right. Yeah, I just didn't understand how 394 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.680 Laura Lenny's character because she needs to go over and 395 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.200 save her coworkers. Yes, I didn't understand how she ended 396 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:32.839 up at the airport on this flight. Now obviously they 397 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:35.960 need her because they're out of funds. They can't pay 398 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:38.680 for the fuel and she has unlimited funds. Yes, I 399 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:42.359 just didn't understand how she knew, like you said, happenstance. 400 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:45.720 She shows a piece she had said to the at 401 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:49.599 the company, find an expedition that's going, Ah, we'll be 402 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:52.119 on the next one, I see, And it just so 403 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.839 happens to be the Expedition with with with Peter Elliott 404 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:56.519 and Amy. 405 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.960 Okay see and mister Homolka. This rewards a multiple view. 406 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:02.319 Here you go, make sure you catch every detail. 407 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:06.480 Now, tell me if you didn't think that at some 408 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.160 point in the movie it would be revealed that Tim 409 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:11.319 Curry's accent was just a put on. 410 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:15.440 Like I wish I had, but I would have loved that. 411 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:20.599 It's so over the top. You know, we're going, I'm happy, 412 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:22.880 will fund your trip, you know, and then at some 413 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:25.759 point he's like, right, don't I don't really talk like that, 414 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:26.240 you know, and. 415 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:29.279 If that yes at gunpoint or something, yeah, you know, 416 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:31.519 I'm just like, no, please, please, you know, kind of 417 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.359 kind of like Alan Rickman does in a diarhogy exactly 418 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:36.440 flip into that kind of a thing. Oh no, you know, 419 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:43.160 like that would be amazing missed opportunity. 420 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:47.119 I'm just saying, you know this, this movie is full 421 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:50.400 of actors who are putting on these accents where you 422 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:53.400 have to imagine at least somebody was like, are you. 423 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:56.599 Sure right right? 424 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:00.440 Because because we got all kinds of fun We got accent, music, chairs, 425 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:02.720 he got Delroy Lindo doing one thing. We got Ernie 426 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:03.920 Hudson doing another. 427 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:09.359 Yes, yes, okay, well we're gonna get the martini. You know, 428 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:11.559 Amy needs her martini while she's on the plane. I 429 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:13.279 like this actually by the way, where she's like what 430 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:16.480 is happening? Yeah, the Amy looking out the window and 431 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:20.039 like where's the ground? Where's the ground? I don't know. 432 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:23.000 I was very endeared too. I gotta give it to 433 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:25.079 Stan Winston because I really cared about this character. 434 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:29.480 Yeah. But but what we were talking about earlier, if 435 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:36.079 if you, if you uh look at like how apes communicate. Uh, 436 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:38.039 they never ask questions. 437 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:42.519 Oh I didn't know that. That's is interesting. Well okay, 438 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:45.279 so I did wanna I did. This is from Wikipedia, 439 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:47.079 straight from Wikipedia, because I thought all of it was 440 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:47.960 interesting and I didn't want to. 441 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:49.920 Pair so consider the source. 442 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:53.079 Yeah, well true, But this is this is about Coco, who, 443 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.599 when you're growing up, was a famous gorilla that could sign, 444 00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:58.920 and I think people got really endeared to the idea 445 00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:00.960 of like, wow, isn't it amazing, Like maybe we could 446 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:04.519 talk to one another. So Coco, which was a nickname 447 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.880 was I'm reading now, was a female Western Lowland gorilla 448 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:10.839 born in the San Francisco Zoo and cross fostered by 449 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:16.759 Francine Patterson, who used conducted ape language experiments. Coco gained 450 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:19.599 public attention as the subject of two national geographic cover 451 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:23.000 stories and in nineteen eighty five, the best selling children's book, 452 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:23.960 Coco's Kitten. 453 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:25.400 I Remember that book. 454 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:30.400 So Coco's communication skills were hotly debated. Coco used many 455 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:34.079 signs adapted from American sign language, but the scientific consensus 456 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:36.680 to date remains that she did not demonstrate the syntax 457 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:41.039 or grammar required of true language. Patterson has been widely 458 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:45.920 criticized for misrepresenting Coco's skills, providing insufficient care for Coco 459 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:49.640 and her companion gorillas, and inappropriate treatment of Gorilla Foundation's 460 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:54.079 staff members. Despite such controversies, Cocos story changed the public 461 00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.599 image of gorillas, previously assumed to be brainless and violent. 462 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:02.240 Science I Think is a magazine, noted in its obituary 463 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:05.519 that Coco helped transform how human the human world viewed 464 00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:09.599 animal emotion and intelligence. So, yeah, in my memory, I 465 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:10.720 was like, oh, yeah, yeah, it was a gorilla, it 466 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:13.559 understood sign language and if I met it, it could 467 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:16.400 talk to me. Yeah, And that's just I mean, of course, 468 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:17.799 in nineteen eighty five, I was a kid, So of 469 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:21.480 course I believe that reading is getting but apparently that's 470 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:23.599 not exactly the case. 471 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:27.119 Yeah, well this is that's that's exactly it, right, Like 472 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:32.519 I think the fact that that these amazing, beautiful creatures 473 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:39.720 are are vaguely human ish, you know, we ascribe a 474 00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:42.559 human level intellect onto them, and I think I think 475 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:45.200 that's what gets people into a lot of trouble, you know, Yeah, 476 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.279 and I think, you know, the animals exactly. 477 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:50.519 I was gonna say the same goes for even house pets, dogs, 478 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:55.599 sure of court, Like dogs can understand, generally speaking, a 479 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:57.480 certain amount of words. You know, when you say walk 480 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:00.960 or you know, dinner or something, they know at least 481 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:03.759 what that sound means for them, right. But it's like 482 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.880 we want them to think, oh, he's hugging me right now, 483 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:08.359 and it's like kind of you. 484 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:14.319 Know, right exactly, that's exactly it. I remember uh reading 485 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:16.680 about in a similar vein to Coco, you know, the 486 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:22.359 Travis the Chimp. I don't remember driving, and I guarantee 487 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:24.480 you know the story. It's about a woman who raised 488 00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:29.440 this chimpanzee and she raised him like a son, and 489 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.920 then at one point he attacked her neighbor. You remember 490 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.680 this vaguely, he he, I mean he did such damage 491 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.440 to her face that she needed a full face transplant. 492 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.440 See, I think I remember that part of it. A woman, 493 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:45.920 the transplant and dealing with yeah. 494 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:48.400 Right, and the end the ape was eventually the ape 495 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:49.920 was put down, and I mean it was It was 496 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.759 a horrible story, right. And my point is that they look, 497 00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.559 I mean, they're still animals, you know, yes, so they 498 00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:59.680 should be treated with kindness and compassion, and they should 499 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:01.799 be left alone because they're not people. 500 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:04.920 Yeah, the understanding that they're not going to ever fully 501 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.279 behave or have the like moral sense of humans, right, 502 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:10.240 Like they're gonna have these instincts that could come out 503 00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:10.880 at any moment. 504 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.759 Yeah, you know, so so any the point I'm making 505 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:20.319 is this movie presents Amy as if Amy is a 506 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:28.119 fully uh you know, interactive, a cognizant creature, and and 507 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:32.920 there's never any sci fi gobbledygook explanation for that. 508 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:34.759 Yeah, she hasn't been altered. 509 00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.599 Yeah, And I'm like, I would have almost preferred that 510 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:41.079 because that would make it easier to swallow, you know, sure, yeah, 511 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.240 yeah right, because because there there is like a fantasy 512 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:50.920 element to this movie. And it's weird how the the 513 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:55.039 movie doesn't really prepare you for that. No, yeah, right, 514 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:58.960 it's about an hour and a half of just you know, 515 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:04.160 trapes through the jungle and then twenty minutes of you 516 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.079 know what feels like a universal stunt show. 517 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:13.319 Yes, right, it really does, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I 518 00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:16.559 mean it's the way that the sets look and yeah, yeah, 519 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:20.640 very static. Yeah, it's funny. 520 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.240 Ernie. So, Ernie Hudson, the man, the myth, the legend. 521 00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:26.839 I think I speak for you when I say that 522 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.240 here at movie film we celebrate Ernie Hudson and all 523 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:31.319 his configurations. 524 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.759 Absolutely. I even had the pleasure of meeting him. He 525 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.519 voiced a dog that I wrote for Puppy Dog Pals 526 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:39.200 and I got to go to the record shake his hand. 527 00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:40.079 That was really special. 528 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.319 Now he has said that Monroe Kelly is the favorite 529 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:45.799 character he has played. 530 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:51.079 I completely understand why. Right, He's gonna have some fun 531 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:51.400 with this. 532 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:56.039 He is the de facto, you know, adventure lead of 533 00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:56.640 this movie. 534 00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:00.400 Yeah, and he's got this sort of debonair you know, 535 00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:05.839 affect and like O course, you know, because the Jungle 536 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:08.200 is a house of many mysteries, you know, kind of 537 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:10.559 a speaking kind of thing which is really fun. 538 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:12.640 So that all being said, as much as I do 539 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.440 enjoy Ernie Hudson in this movie, I would say maybe 540 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.759 the accent wasn't wasn't the best choice. 541 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:26.400 Yeah, you know it's funny. Yes, the objective answer is yes. However, 542 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.400 if I'm just going to lean into what's going on 543 00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.480 here and everything is as wacky as it is, if 544 00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:34.440 he's having fun, it can pretty much sense it. I 545 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:36.400 can sense it coming off of him, how much funny's 546 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.720 having and I'm in And frankly, if they had done 547 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.160 more stories with him, sure, you know, like more movies 548 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.359 or a series with him as the lead, leading different 549 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.720 sorts of interesting people through the jungles or whatever that 550 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.279 would be. I think he's an interesting enough character. 551 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.119 It's out on that opportunity. Yeah, and he does get 552 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:56.880 one of the best lines, I'm the great white Hunter 553 00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:58.559 except on black right. 554 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:02.000 That's right, written by a Pulitzer Prize winner by the way, 555 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:04.480 this movie, I don't know if we brought that up yet. 556 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:10.039 Yeah. So so Michael Crichton had nothing to do with 557 00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:14.680 with this once it landed at Paramount and and I think, yeah, 558 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.359 I'm your great right Hunter. Though I happened to be black. 559 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:22.480 Yeah, but you've basically like karaoke det right. For me, 560 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.720 that's perfect. It was fun with looking at him and 561 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.039 hearing your voice come. 562 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:31.599 My less impressive voice. I'm telling you, give me more, 563 00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:33.519 Ernie Hudson, give me. You know, if they do another 564 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.559 Ghostbusters and and the the the other ogs decided not 565 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:39.640 to come back, and we just get four clones of 566 00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.799 winston' z ed Moore, I would still be down with them. 567 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:43.039 Same same. 568 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:47.960 But yeah, Michael Crichton had had no involvement in this, 569 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.880 and so you had you had the amblin uh connection 570 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.079 because of Frank Marshall. Is I don't think the movie 571 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:56.079 is amblin. 572 00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.599 Wow, great point. I don't think it is either. And 573 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.640 does that have to do with it being released through Paramount? 574 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.079 That would be my guess. But nonetheless, Frank Marshall and 575 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:09.680 Kathy Kennedy did produce it. 576 00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:11.680 Yeah, and Frank Marshall directed. 577 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:14.200 And Frank Marshall directed. Frank Marshall is an interesting director, right, 578 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:19.279 It's like because I think there's like I think he's 579 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.880 a competent director, but I don't know that he ever 580 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:23.079 really elevates the movie. 581 00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:25.839 Yeah, you know, I mean he did a lot of 582 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.400 second unit for Spielberg. So's he's got chops, He's got a. 583 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.440 Knock on raiders, right, if I'm not mistaken. 584 00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.079 Yeah, yeah, and that's where he met Kathleen Kennedy and 585 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:39.240 they got married. And then yeah, he did like a 586 00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:42.000 rack Noophobia, which I think is an ambulin movie. Yes, 587 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.559 those are live? Oh did he do? 588 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.519 I've never seen a live Actually live is good. I 589 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:48.519 think I was a little. 590 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.759 Afraid of it, honestly. Sure, but I'm a little old, 591 00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:53.119 like being a little older, I think I might be 592 00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.880 able to handle it now. But now he does like 593 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:02.079 music documentaries, you know, like Beach Boys and just interesting, 594 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:03.200 a very interesting career. 595 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:08.039 Yeah. So I the movie was offered to Steven Spielberg 596 00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.160 at one point, which you can completely imagine. Yeah, absolutely, 597 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:13.519 And this is pre Jurassic This is like in the eighties, 598 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.920 and he passed. John Carpenter had been offered it. So 599 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.440 I mean it was it was working its way. And 600 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.960 again the hook really came once Jurassic Park just started 601 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.759 minting money. And and so you can understand the calculus 602 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.680 a paramount being like, hey that they made all that 603 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:34.759 Michael Crichton money, we want we want some of that 604 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:35.799 Michael Crichton money. 605 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:37.880 Absolutely. Yeah. 606 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:41.119 However, I think the miscalculation is this idea that people 607 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.680 will treat mutant apes the same way they did you know, 608 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:46.640 living cgi dinosaurs. 609 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:53.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agreed. But well when I alluded 610 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:57.440 earlier about the Puelitzer Prize. So John Patrick Shanley wrote 611 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.720 the screenplay. I mean he wrote Moonstruck Doubt. 612 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:05.119 Yeah. What an Academy work for Moonstruck. If I'm not mistaken, 613 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:06.400 I believe so. 614 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.640 Yeah, And I think the peelds are for doubt and 615 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.680 and Congo, so very funny thing is. 616 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.039 And he directed Joe Versus the Volcano. 617 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:17.240 I love Joe Versus the Volcano. 618 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:18.200 There you go. 619 00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.640 I mean, what an interesting that's a I'd call that 620 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:26.039 an aspirational writer's career. I mean, you got your goofy blockbuster, 621 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.039 say what you will about it. You've got your like 622 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.839 prestige piece, You've got your weird Joe Versus Volcano, kind 623 00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.000 of like your weird indie film. That's very quirky and fun. Interesting. 624 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:40.240 Yeah, it's being of quirky and fun Delroy Lindo again, 625 00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.759 he just wanders in for a scene and leaves a kind. 626 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:44.599 Of amongous impression. 627 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.920 He really doesn't. There's another one like same with Joey 628 00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.680 Pantsy just leaves the movie and Delroy Lindo. You're like, hey, 629 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:51.599 where are you going? 630 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:55.720 Yeah, but no, he's great in this. It needs to 631 00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:56.240 be bribed. 632 00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.759 I saw this one time thirty years ago, and yet 633 00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.119 to this day, just randomly, I'd be like, stop eating 634 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.920 my sesami cake. See. 635 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.000 That was fun for me because I remembered that. I 636 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:14.119 was like, what is happening? And then when I started 637 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.400 reading up on this movie afterward, I just kept seeing 638 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.199 that quote everywhere. I was like, Oh, that that's what 639 00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:23.920 lived on from this. I love this too. The bribing 640 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.880 giving him the money, he's like more just smiling. That's sucker. 641 00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:29.320 You know what. 642 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.639 I love to this little detail he puts the money 643 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:33.760 in a in a like a brown grocery sack and 644 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:37.400 then he just starts stapling it. What a great detail. 645 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.360 Here we go. If we want to call out possibly 646 00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:46.320 the moment of the movie. 647 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:48.639 You don't need a man sesame cake, Brian. That's what 648 00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:52.280 this movie taught me. So there's some things you just 649 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:53.480 do not do right. 650 00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:59.559 Well, speaking of you know Spielberg and all those connections, 651 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:04.440 this was shot by the DP of ET Alan Davia, 652 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.719 so he was the DP on ET color purple. He 653 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:15.039 also did Bugsy Albert Brooks movie Defending Your Life. Yeah, 654 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:16.679 you know, actually I got to see him speak once. 655 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.599 He spoke before screening of ET at the New Beverly. 656 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:21.679 That was really special and he just he could not 657 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:25.360 stop talking about Congo. Right, but I know you guys 658 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.440 are here about ET, but let me tell you about Congo. 659 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:29.639 Well, it's fascinating because you look at this scene and 660 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:31.039 it's lit great, and there was a scene on the 661 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.280 airplane earlier where Laura Lenny was lit really beautifully and 662 00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.000 dramatically and stuff. But then to your point, we can 663 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.280 dig into it more when it happens. But in the 664 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.079 third act it doesn't look very good at all. 665 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:48.159 Yeah, it's it's there is like a sudden and pronounced 666 00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:50.039 tonal and visual shift. 667 00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:52.800 Yeah, and I'll save it so make sure we still 668 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:54.920 have something to talk about at the end. But there 669 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.639 was stan Winston digs into that a little bit in 670 00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:59.760 a way that I just hadn't crossed my mind that 671 00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:03.280 I've kind of fascinating and instructive for anybody looking to 672 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:04.679 shoot a movie. 673 00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:08.079 So, oh, that's interesting. Yeah, I my understanding, I have 674 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.360 not read the novel, but my understanding is that in 675 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.159 the book you have multiple expeditions that are sort of 676 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:18.559 competing with each other to get to it's a race 677 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.880 study of Zinge, right, yes, And my thought watching the 678 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:25.639 film is, well, why would you not keep that element 679 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.519 of drama in the movie, because there is something weirdly 680 00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:32.039 languid about the entire front front two thirds? 681 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:38.159 Yeah, I mean it's I like Lord of the Rings, 682 00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:40.280 but I think some people the criticism is like, so 683 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.400 they just walk for like two and a half hours 684 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.800 and that's that's But you know, I would argue that 685 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:48.800 it's very interesting, and the characters are very interesting, and 686 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.400 they encounter a lot of interesting things along the way. 687 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.639 And this one, Yeah, the first two thirds is literally 688 00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:55.239 just them trapsing through the joke. 689 00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:59.360 It's it's literally here to hear something happened, something happens, 690 00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.079 something else here to hear something happens, something happens, something happens. 691 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.320 To here, to hear something happens, something happens, something happens. 692 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.840 And it's not all really related either, Like there's no 693 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.760 I'll call it out early, but there's a really random 694 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:12.760 moment where a snake shows up, yes, and then the 695 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:14.880 guy just goes oh then like cuts his head off 696 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.280 with the sword, and it's like then cross fades and 697 00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:19.400 they continued to walk, you know, like it's just like 698 00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:20.519 such a non event. 699 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.079 Yeah, the pacing is off for sure. 700 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.280 Yeah, So I don't I don't know why they didn't 701 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:31.800 keep that extra tension element from the book. 702 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:37.119 Well, And I think the problem is that if you say, oh, 703 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:43.519 we're we're going to rescue Bruce Campbell m h even 704 00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.800 that it it feels so out of sight, out of 705 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:52.760 mind mm hmm. Right, So maybe increase that element. Maybe 706 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.000 maybe he's you know, he's not dead yet and he's 707 00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:01.039 getting these messages out and and you know, Laura Linnie's 708 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.480 character is receiving them, and so there's a sense of 709 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:04.880 like we got to get to him before it's too 710 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:05.599 late kind of thing. 711 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:11.880 I totally completely agree. So Amy there just kind of 712 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:16.119 with her hand on her the doctor's leg and just 713 00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:17.559 the way that they're close. And then the people who 714 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:21.159 are loading the plane are like husband and wife. But 715 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:24.119 you know what's so funny. I was like, hey, shut up, 716 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.800 like because I was like, it's so sweet. I was 717 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:31.159 listening to the how did this get made? About this episode? 718 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:31.679 Oh? 719 00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:34.679 Interesting, okay, And they were joking about how like kind 720 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.840 of gross and semi erotic it seems between huh, and 721 00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:39.840 I was like, you know, I get it for like 722 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:41.519 comedy sake and whatever, and maybe if. 723 00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:42.840 I was I don't really get that sense. 724 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:44.440 I was gonna say, if I was in the right mood, 725 00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.440 like oh yeah, yeah, okay, But no I didn't either. 726 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:48.840 I actually found it very sweet. 727 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:50.360 Yeah, So I don't know. 728 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:54.480 I thought they calibrated that pretty well. Their connection and 729 00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:58.599 and and how much Amy you know, loves her, I 730 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.119 don't know what you call him, trainer the husband apparently 731 00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:05.599 husband he exactly. So this is kind of a crazy moment. 732 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:14.400 I know, Hecker, it's her murker homolka, thank you very much, 733 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:15.000 you know what. 734 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.480 I yeah, okay or her. 735 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:18.280 Kermer whatever the hell. 736 00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:19.920 I'll keep it open on my laptop so I have 737 00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:23.599 it in front of me. But yeah, we see some 738 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:24.880 racist undertones here. 739 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.079 He goes from zero to N word pretty. 740 00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.679 Fast, yeah, which feels like, why are we doing that? 741 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:35.599 Yeah, it's it's weird. Well, I think I think a 742 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.519 couple of reasons. I think number one, they want to 743 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.840 situate Homolka as not a good guy. Sure, and that's 744 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.400 a if you didn't get that sense already, you know, 745 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.199 that'll take you the rest of the way. And then 746 00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:53.920 they want to situate uh Monroe as the the alpha 747 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:57.360 if you will, mm sure, Like he ain't standing for 748 00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:58.079 that ship. 749 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:01.559 Sure yep ye. And he's not rattled by it, like 750 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.440 he doesn't even not rattle's not even the like he's 751 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.079 not like sent into like an angry mode, like he's 752 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.239 still confident in like a few you know. 753 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:11.599 See, I would have liked, and I'm not even saying 754 00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:12.800 this as a joke. I would have liked if he 755 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:14.840 just like popped him in the face, like it doesn't 756 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.199 doesn't get angry. 757 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:18.360 But just like a pop right with a smile. Yeah 758 00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:19.440 exactly exactly. 759 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:21.760 I think I like that too, Like what was that, 760 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:22.599 you know kind of thing? 761 00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.119 Yeah, not a smile, that's the wrong, but yeah exactly, 762 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.719 Like it's still like a confidence like I'm yeah, yeah, 763 00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:33.960 yeah exactly, I'm the alpha here. Yeah you know, so 764 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.760 I uh, this this is leading to something very fun. 765 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.920 They have to sedate Amy, so they put a little 766 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.840 pill in her banana because there's no way you're gonna 767 00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:46.960 get Amy to jump out of an airplane makes sense, 768 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:49.760 totally makes sense. This is what I was gonna say, 769 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.119 something with this kind of interesting like them almost being 770 00:40:53.159 --> 00:41:03.760 shot out of the sky here these rocket launchers. Yeah, dude, 771 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.639 I even watching Amy now freaking out. This is a 772 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:07.360 complete success. 773 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:07.599 To me. 774 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.519 I felt everything they wanted me to feel for her. 775 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.360 I think I think that the I mean, considering that 776 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.039 we're talking about a thirty year old effect, I think 777 00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:21.519 it's it's it does the trick, you know. I I 778 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.360 think obviously technology has improved to the point where where 779 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:30.159 now you could do something much more compelling via motion capture, 780 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:31.840 but given what was available at the time, I think 781 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:33.239 I think it does the job, you know. 782 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.599 Yeah, you know, I think, yeah, they're getting better and 783 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:41.559 better at that, these fully CG characters. I think sometimes 784 00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:44.880 the mistake is they make them behave like animated characters 785 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.320 in a live action setting, and that always throws me off. 786 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:53.039 They move in this very Disneyesque, overly gestured manner. Yeah, 787 00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:54.679 and it's just not how people move in the real 788 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:58.400 that's right. So maybe that's why I'm responding a little 789 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.920 bit better to this because it feels a bit more tangible. 790 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.039 But yeah, like you're saying, I mean, they've gotten much 791 00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:04.840 much better at it and the planet, like when. 792 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.960 You look at the recent Apes film, certainly the and 793 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:09.800 Andy Cirkis ones. I mean, I think I think on 794 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.920 the whole they've done a good job, you know. Yeah, 795 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.519 and this is how we know Karen is a badass exactly. 796 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:18.239 Yeah. We get to see her fire a weapon, and 797 00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:20.719 it is funny. I mean they mentioned that their heat seeking, 798 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:22.800 but it still feels like their aim is pretty impeccable, 799 00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:26.199 you know, shooting like flares. I don't know that those 800 00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:30.559 are the most accurate, and they're well maybe they are, 801 00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:31.159 what do I know. 802 00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:34.320 And we know she's a former CIA agent, which really 803 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.840 means that she is a current CIA agent, because anybody's 804 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:39.119 a former CIA agent, you know. 805 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.360 So we get this kind of funny moment here where 806 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.320 it's like, well, someone's got to get Amy out of here. 807 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:54.119 So basically Captain Monroe wears her like a backpack yep 808 00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:57.679 as he jumps out of the plane. It's kind of funny. 809 00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:01.920 Now now we were talking about the Tim Cray character. 810 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:05.719 I think I think what's interesting also is that he's 811 00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.320 he's like a bad guy, but he's also kind of 812 00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:12.280 not really you know what I mean, Oh totally yeah, right, 813 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:14.480 which which was also kind of weird to me, like 814 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:18.800 you're sort of expecting a much more drastic heel turn 815 00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:24.159 from him, Yeah, where he's like willing to sacrifice everybody 816 00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:27.760 or something. He's yeah, he's interesting. I'm not quite sure 817 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.199 he's he's I wouldn't call it. He ends up he 818 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:33.360 ends up being kind of like Kevin J. O'Connor and 819 00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:33.880 the Mummy. 820 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:36.519 Yeah sure, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 821 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.639 Whereas like the way, the way that you know, the 822 00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:41.119 first time we see him and we had the dramatic music, 823 00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:43.719 you expect a kind of a thing where he points 824 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:45.480 his gun at the other people in the expedition and 825 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:48.480 he's got his little satchel full of diamonds. That's what 826 00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.199 he's like, smellulator suckers. 827 00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:53.599 Exactly Like I'm taking the plane, yeah you know, what 828 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:55.960 about us? Like what about you? And then like shuts 829 00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:57.440 the door or something. Yeah yeah, And then he. 830 00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:59.280 Turns around and there's all the gorillas and they bash 831 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:00.880 his head in or something like that's a true spot. 832 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:01.360 That's great. 833 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.920 And then the plane starts rocking because he's being killed inside, 834 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:07.320 and we're like, oh, I love it. I love it, 835 00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:10.639 but nope. 836 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:14.599 Yeah, something substantially lesser than that. 837 00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:16.800 Yeah, I forgot. 838 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:21.239 To mention, by the way, mister Echo, Oh yeah yeah, 839 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:23.639 and I will not even attempt to pronounce his name. 840 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.320 I know, I feel bad out of respect and also 841 00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:33.920 possibly disrespect nuts. Yeah, what was I gonna say? 842 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:35.039 Uh? 843 00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:37.039 Oh, somewhere I kind of missed it, but I guess 844 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:38.800 Jimmy Buffett plays a pilot in here. 845 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:44.199 That's kind of his thing, right, he just plays pilots. Yeah, yeah, 846 00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.519 because he was in something else as a pilot. And 847 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:47.880 now I'm trying to remember pilot. 848 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:51.199 I don't remember. I remember Jurassic World. He's the guy 849 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.559 grabbing his margarita or whatever. 850 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:57.800 Yeah, at the Jimmy Buffett restaurant yep, yep, as the 851 00:44:57.920 --> 00:44:59.159 dinosaurs are attacking. 852 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.920 No. I thought this was kind of interesting. So speaking 853 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.679 of Ernie Hudson's character, and well, I'll get to that, 854 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:12.039 but basically, as I do now with these older movies, 855 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:14.119 I go straight to ciskel Nieberd afterward. 856 00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.559 On YouTube they had some disagreements about this one. 857 00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:20.360 Oh man, Well it was hilarious because, yeah, they had 858 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.360 their back and forth. Honestly, felt like the war inside 859 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:27.159 of me after my first viewing, so Ebert kind of 860 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.920 enjoyed it as like a silly like kind of throwback 861 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:33.480 jungle adventure, probably like movies he watched when he was 862 00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:36.679 a kid. Then Ciskel is just like, what are you 863 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.000 talking about? And he's like, I wasn't laughing with it. 864 00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:42.880 I was laughing at it, and I was like, yeah, 865 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.440 that's funny. I kind of feel both inside of me 866 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.679 and Ebert was like, oh, come on, you know, like 867 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.920 Ernie Hudson's playing this kind of carry Grant style figure 868 00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:58.599 and Ciscl's like, what are you talking about? Yeah, it 869 00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:00.679 was really funny. But anyway, eber then went. 870 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.559 On to he called Ernie Hudson a lightweight, and I said, 871 00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:04.519 how effing dare? 872 00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:11.039 But Ebertt wrote later he does say Congo is a 873 00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:14.559 comedy that was mislabeled as an action drama and has 874 00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.679 suffered as a result. And I was like, that's interesting. 875 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:19.559 I mean, I'm sure I don't know how the filmmakers 876 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.480 would take that. I don't think I would call it 877 00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.760 an out and out comedy, no, but it I think 878 00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:28.679 it could have leaned into a little bit of. 879 00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:29.960 A Teeters on the edge. 880 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.480 Yeah, yeah, I think it could have leaned into its 881 00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:35.280 camp possibly a little bit. 882 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:39.480 Right. Well, well, look, I mean listen, it's very simple. 883 00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:44.880 Paramount wanted a Jurassic Park, Yes, And that's essentially what 884 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.760 it comes down to is that I think, as written, 885 00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:49.320 when you say it's kind of a kind of an 886 00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.840 Allan Quartermaan King Solomon's minds type thing, that was the 887 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.760 angle it should have taken tonally totally, yes, right, and 888 00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.039 that means it should have been a little more heightened 889 00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.199 from the jump. And I think that's the big problem 890 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:06.239 is that is, you know, and you tell me if 891 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.440 you disagree, but by the time we end up in 892 00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:15.920 the Lost City, I'm like, what what in the what? Right? 893 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:16.639 Right? 894 00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.199 Because it's it's it's such a left turn from everything 895 00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.280 that we're led up to at this point, you know. 896 00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.719 And and I think what what they really needed to 897 00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:32.960 do was seed that storyline more methodically throughout, so you know, 898 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.599 and I don't know, I you know, it's not like 899 00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:39.159 you can have them encounter the mutant gorillas much earlier. 900 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:45.199 Mm hmm. You seed sort of a heightened the Yeah. 901 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.960 So let me put it this way, when when when 902 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:53.599 they opened the arc at the end of Raiders, you 903 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.039 are mentally prepared for that because the movie has has 904 00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:58.840 done the job of walking you there. 905 00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.000 Yes, we've starten with odd things along the way. 906 00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.559 That's right, right, So so yeah, you know, like when 907 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:08.679 we see the arc on the boat and it burns 908 00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:10.679 us and not see symbol, or even at the very 909 00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:12.639 beginning when Indy cracks the book and he's like here 910 00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:14.840 you going, there's a power of God whatever, right, and. 911 00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.039 So when they're so when he's in that household and 912 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:18.800 they're talking about going to the ark and then all 913 00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:24.199 this huge wind comes through, like basically God being like stop, yeah. 914 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.519 You know very well. So the movie is saying it's 915 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.239 letting you know, okay, this is the kind of movie. 916 00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:35.800 This is right, And I think like, like, you know, 917 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.599 what what Jurassic Park does, when you think about it, 918 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:42.119 is the very first scene. It helps you. It helps 919 00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:44.599 establish the exact tone of what you're going to get 920 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:46.119 for the rest of the movie. You know that with 921 00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.880 the with the Raptor and Muldoon and all that, you know, shoot, 922 00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:55.800 exactly right it it it sets your compass for the 923 00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:01.480 whole movie. However, what Ascid Park also does is we 924 00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:04.239 see the dinosaurs within you know whatever. It is like 925 00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:09.519 twenty minutes, right, So it's not like suddenly we see 926 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:14.519 a brachiosaur at at you know, in our forty right, right, 927 00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:16.880 right right, whereas this movie is. Oh and by the way, 928 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:18.079 here's some mutant apes. 929 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:21.000 That's true. 930 00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like I think that's the 931 00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:34.400 problem is it's playing kind of weirdly comically earnest right again. 932 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:40.760 You know, Jodn Bakers as evil makeevilman, Yeah, Johnny mustache 933 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:48.000 twirler in your parlance. And and I think it needed 934 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.679 more of a heightened adventure tone so that when we 935 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.360 get to the Lost City, it feels of a piece 936 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:54.800 with everything we've seen up to that point. 937 00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:55.920 I totally agree. 938 00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:01.559 Yep. Now, does it feel like the movie couldn't decide 939 00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:04.400 whether they were going to have a romantic relationship between 940 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:05.519 Karen and Peter. 941 00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.119 You know, I'll be honest with you, I don't remember 942 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:15.280 enough because I but yeah, they probably had some moments 943 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.840 where they Yeah, they could have had a moment like 944 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.599 Sharon tenttent. We have our own tents, Okay, Yeah, Like 945 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:22.599 maybe you could have had like some playful things like that. 946 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:26.000 But then she thinks she's going to rescue someone who's 947 00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:27.639 very close to her. So maybe that's the. 948 00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:31.239 Right, but I mean, you know, you can he is 949 00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:34.000 her ex fiance after all, so that's true, it'd be 950 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:34.719 that close. Come on. 951 00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:36.960 But you know what, frankly, to your point, it would 952 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.039 have been nice if Campbell was still alive. Yeah, and 953 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.960 this is like rekindling something for her in a way, 954 00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.400 or at the very well, it doesn't even have to 955 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:47.920 be rekindled, but there's like something powerful there between them 956 00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:52.639 that's compelling her to go through hippo infested waters. Yeah, 957 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:54.519 you know, hell or high water or whatever, hell or 958 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:57.360 hippo invested waters, Yeah, to go get them. You know, 959 00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.840 I would have enjoyed seeing that energy from that character. 960 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:01.639 Think might have heightened things a bit. 961 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:05.360 I think the problem is that Peter is kind of 962 00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:08.199 just a void, Like he's just not a particularly compelling 963 00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:11.280 character beyond his affinity for Amy. 964 00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:14.400 I agree, yes, yeah. 965 00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:17.480 Right, And and I generally like Dylan Walsh as an actor, 966 00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:19.440 so I know he's capable of more. But it's really 967 00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:21.920 like it's just the character is a whole lot of nothing, 968 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.639 and he's ostensibly the lead of this movie. Yeah right, 969 00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:29.719 and and he he gets brushed aside almost you know. 970 00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:33.239 No, I completely agree. Yeah, he's too he's too realistic. 971 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:35.920 He's probably so many would encounter like this in real life. 972 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:37.800 And it's like, you know, in the movie you want 973 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.480 someone I don't know, Well, you. 974 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:42.800 Can see the energy that Bruce Campbell would have brought 975 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.400 to this role. Mm hmm. So it does feel like 976 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.599 a shame that that they didn't go like maybe you 977 00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:48.159 swap it. 978 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.719 I yeah, well, and then him going toe to toe 979 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:56.920 with Humbuck Homlocker, you know what I mean, like you know, 980 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.119 like slow your role there, Homlocker. You know, like that 981 00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:01.920 kind of energy from Campbell would be kind of fun 982 00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.360 seeing them go toe to toe. But they're both in 983 00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:08.000 pursuit of the same destination, but for different reasons, different energies. 984 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:10.079 This is that snake thing I was talking about that 985 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:14.840 felt yeah, yeah, and it just ends like it's not 986 00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.519 a set piece, you know. It's like almost feels like 987 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:19.000 they actually killed a snake and they're like, well, out 988 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:20.599 of respect, we should at least include it. 989 00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.360 We should leave it in for some of the family. 990 00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:26.239 His family knows what happened to him. 991 00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:29.800 That's poor snake. His family's in the movie theater, Like, wait, 992 00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.320 isn't that Jeff, He's been missing for nine months. 993 00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:38.519 Yeah, mom when his dad coming home? Oh yeah, lie down, kids, 994 00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:41.559 or just stay where you stay where you are exactly. 995 00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:46.880 I feel bad for this poor frog. Frog doesn't know 996 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:47.599 it's in a movie. 997 00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:51.679 Was that a real frog? I mean it could have 998 00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:52.960 been like a little dudadder, you know what. 999 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:57.320 That's probably true. Where was I reading? There was something 1000 00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.920 about they thought about Oh yeah, I have it here, 1001 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.159 So I guess Frank Marshall thought about using computers for 1002 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:08.159 the apes. Yes, that's because of you know, obviously Jurassic Park, 1003 00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:11.360 but it was the hair. Yeah, computer is just more 1004 00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:12.320 capable of it yet. 1005 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:18.760 Yeah, and it's it's extraordinary because you had, you know, 1006 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:22.760 by the way he generally the prospect of leech on 1007 00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.199 penis is probably reason number one. You're not gonna see 1008 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:29.599 me go into the into the deep dark woods. 1009 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.480 But it's it's funny and it's like an interesting, like 1010 00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:35.440 moment you remember, But like, doesn't it just feel so random? 1011 00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:37.079 Like you can just imagine they're like, all right, well, 1012 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.039 what's some stuff that can happen in the jungle, like 1013 00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:41.119 a bullet point leech on penis? 1014 00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.199 You know, Well, the fact that he's like I got 1015 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:49.599 everybody's like, I know, I'm like, I helped the guy out. 1016 00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:51.719 I mean, it's not it's not nothing. I know. 1017 00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:56.280 Well, I love then Monroe gives him his cigar to 1018 00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:59.239 burn it off, which yikes. And then and then I 1019 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.119 love that gives them the garback. I even I would 1020 00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:02.880 have enough sense to be like, all right, I think 1021 00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:03.960 this cigar is through. 1022 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:10.840 Oh shoot, I was saying something I can't remember that. Shoot. 1023 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:12.519 Sorry, well we were talking about fur and. 1024 00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:16.880 Computer Yeah okay, so you had Jumanji right around those time, 1025 00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.559 was ninety five, right, yeah yeah yeah, and and they 1026 00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:24.559 had some chimpanzees and that, and yeah, I would imagine 1027 00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:26.639 that that was the thinking like, oh we could do something, 1028 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:29.119 you know like that. You know. 1029 00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:32.079 It's funny though when you watch Jumanji now it they 1030 00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:35.400 look basically like what animatics look like. 1031 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.199 Yeahhh it doesn't hold up. 1032 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:41.880 Yeah, yeah, so I can understand why they did. 1033 00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:45.199 I mean, going back to what I was saying, I 1034 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:49.480 mean that's what made the recent apes movies such a 1035 00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:51.920 quantum ly forward as they really licked that. 1036 00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:56.840 Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's incredible. I highly recommend 1037 00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:59.039 those ILM documentaries on Disney Plus. 1038 00:54:59.119 --> 00:54:59.920 Yeah, I started watching. 1039 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:03.519 I mean they're just fascinating to begin with, because you're 1040 00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:06.960 hearing people who are their first hand working on these films. 1041 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.119 So just hearing stories about movies you love is interesting 1042 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:13.000 right off the bat, but they actually get into Okay, look, 1043 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:17.000 we need to create a water simulation. Like it sounds 1044 00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.519 cool when you see it finished, but like this is math, 1045 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:24.079 Like we have to figure out how mathematically like these 1046 00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:27.480 things would bounce off one another and write some sort 1047 00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:30.360 of program and then we can turn these little triangles 1048 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:33.280 that somehow now understand how they would react to one another, 1049 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:36.039 can actually act like droplets and blah blah blah blah 1050 00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:39.159 and fur and what. It's it's fascinating stuff. 1051 00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:41.079 That's really interesting. 1052 00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:44.159 Yeah, when you think ninety five is when Toy Story 1053 00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:47.519 one came out also, and it's I mean that movie 1054 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:51.639 completely holds up, but you do see the animation and go, oh, 1055 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:53.880 it's interesting, like how the humans, you know, their hair 1056 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.400 looks kind of it was easier for them. You can 1057 00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:59.000 imagine they did Toy Story with toys because it's like, well, 1058 00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.000 they're made a plastic in their shiny and we don't 1059 00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:03.519 have to deal with too many textures, right, you know 1060 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:09.840 that's right, So definitely early early phase of things. You know, 1061 00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:11.440 jar Jar is like four years away. 1062 00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.920 Yeah. Well, well and this year you had you know, 1063 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.920 you mentioned that Casper. M hm. That was the first 1064 00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:23.840 time you had a fully cg character who was the 1065 00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:26.920 lead of a movie essentially right right, right right, And 1066 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:29.000 you know, because Casper is in that movie for like 1067 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:30.079 forty minutes or something. 1068 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:34.159 Yeah, and it's kind of perfect for that because Casper 1069 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:38.239 is a really simple shape, yeah right, mostly just eyeballs 1070 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.639 and acute smile. So it's kind of a good place 1071 00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:42.400 to start. 1072 00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.840 Isn't it, isn't it. Devin Sawa is like the yeah, right, 1073 00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:49.440 the I don't know if he is he the voice 1074 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:50.199 and he's the human. 1075 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:52.280 I definitely know he's the human at the end. I 1076 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.039 don't know if he does the voice. I've only seen 1077 00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:58.280 it once. But this is John Hawk, dude, I didn't 1078 00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.360 even put that together. Yeah, that's amazing. It's weird seeing 1079 00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:01.760 him young. 1080 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:07.800 Yeah, he's also in Everest if you remember, yep, yep. 1081 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:12.000 He's My point is John Hawk should not go on expeditions, right, 1082 00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:14.719 you know. 1083 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:18.719 I gotta admit I'm not sure I'm buying him being 1084 00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:22.000 scared to death, dying of fear. Yeah, like it was 1085 00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:22.599 a little silly. 1086 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:26.480 I don't know, right, isn't that a thing? Doesn't that happen? Due? 1087 00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:28.559 Do people die of fright? That feels like a. 1088 00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:32.559 Thing, right, I'm sure it's possible. But and I know 1089 00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:33.519 he's been through a lot. 1090 00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:39.800 He saw he saw gorillas tear his friends to pieces. Yeah, 1091 00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:42.920 and then this other and then upsidles, this gorilla. I 1092 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:43.280 don't know. 1093 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:46.079 It's just feels like a lot for his heart to burst. 1094 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:46.480 I don't know. 1095 00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:50.159 But then again, you know, well, let's put you in 1096 00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.800 the exact same situation and let me know how it goes. 1097 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.079 I then I want you to lie at my funeral 1098 00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:58.840 and say something else. And then this adorable gorilla came 1099 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:02.599 up and said, HI want breakf in sign language, and. 1100 00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:04.880 I and Brian sh his pants, kissed himself and his 1101 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:09.559 head exploded. Rest in peace, brother exploded. 1102 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:25.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that can go on the death certificate. 1103 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:27.159 But at my funeral, please say I died defending a 1104 00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:33.559 woman's honor or something. Okay, what do you think about 1105 00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:36.519 everybody in the congo knowing California dreaming? 1106 00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:43.199 It seems reasonable. I suppose, right, it's a it's a 1107 00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:47.599 it's a catchy song. Yeah, cool. 1108 00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:51.119 I'm just kidding. I mean I kind of liked that. 1109 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:52.880 I was actually thinking, could I do all the lyrics 1110 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:53.360 to this song? 1111 00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.119 I definitely could not. I could I could do the chorus. 1112 00:58:56.159 --> 00:59:00.519 Maybe I'd be like, no, Winter Thursday, I'd be doing 1113 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.239 that to church to pray. 1114 00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:05.960 Yeah, that would basically be me. 1115 00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:08.440 Yeah. 1116 00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:10.639 See, well, you know, I think this is just a 1117 00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:14.159 testament to how there was a time when you know, 1118 00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:19.079 these cultural artifacts brought people together because because they transcended 1119 00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:20.719 the globe. You know. 1120 00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:25.559 No, in all seriousness, I think it is kind of 1121 00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:31.559 a sweet moment, but it feels a little awkwardly executed 1122 00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:33.360 or something to me, Like it felt like it would 1123 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:34.880 have been nice if there had been a lot of 1124 00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:38.880 misunderstandings between this crew or something. Yeah, and in this one, 1125 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:40.199 I think that. 1126 00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:42.599 Things they go through that bind them together. 1127 00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:44.960 Exactly, And this is like something where that for the 1128 00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.840 first time they can speak the same language and it 1129 00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:49.840 brings them together. I think you could have wrung it 1130 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:51.079 a little bit more. 1131 00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:55.519 You know. Well, I think that's the problem is is 1132 00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:58.760 that this entire you know, this whole portion of the 1133 00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:05.440 movie is very it's very rote. Yeah, because like we said, 1134 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:07.719 they're just sort of they have their you know, a 1135 01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:09.920 little episode, something happens, and they move on to this 1136 01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:12.679 next thing, you know, and and I think all of 1137 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:14.960 like this here, this is kind of an exposition scene. 1138 01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:17.800 We're finding out about you know, the Lost City and whatever, 1139 01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:20.760 but it should be in the context of them being 1140 01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:22.239 on the run or on the go. 1141 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:28.840 Yes, yes, yes, it's very uh like limp or something like. 1142 01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:29.840 There's no urgency. 1143 01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.440 Yeah, because because think about it, You've got You've got 1144 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:39.480 Tim Curry is trying to get to the Lost City 1145 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:43.320 to get his diamonds. Karen is trying to find out 1146 01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.480 if if Charles is still alive. Peter is trying to 1147 01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:54.920 get Amy to her her fellow apes. But they should 1148 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:57.639 have done something to kind of tie those three goals 1149 01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:01.519 together in a way where all three are press completely agree. 1150 01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:06.719 There's there's just no urgency here. I'm not sensing it. 1151 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:10.400 I'm not feeling it, you know. And yeah, I mean 1152 01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:12.440 even if there was a little bit of you know, 1153 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.360 difficulty with the communication with this crew here and maybe 1154 01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:18.480 snapping at them and them being like hey, like kind 1155 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.039 of snapping back in their language, and it's just like 1156 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.800 we're helping you and not connecting, and then to have 1157 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.239 them connect with that song and then get onto a 1158 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:26.599 new page. I think that could have been a really 1159 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:27.239 powerful thing. 1160 01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:31.559 I think even even Monroe, right, like, what what has 1161 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:37.000 him other than being paid? Why is he invested in 1162 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:40.639 this expedition? Right? Yeah? You know? 1163 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:43.360 I yeah, I agree, And. 1164 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.280 Because he has that history with Tim Curry m hm, 1165 01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:49.559 so maybe tie tie that in, right, like they got 1166 01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:55.480 unfinished business from before m hm. You know, like I'm I'm, I'm, 1167 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:57.079 I'm gonna take you there and I'm going to prove 1168 01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.719 what a piece of shit you are something like that. 1169 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:05.920 Something some business. Yeah, right, this is kind of interesting. 1170 01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:08.320 So this is where the hippo thing happens, right, Yeah, yeah, 1171 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:09.280 it's pretty impressive. 1172 01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:15.000 Yeah, hippos the most lethal land animal. Did you know that? 1173 01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:15.320 No? 1174 01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:19.719 Because those killed more people than lions. Really, yeah, I 1175 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:22.039 didn't know that. You do not want to get on 1176 01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:23.920 any side of a hippo. 1177 01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:25.360 Hungry because hungry hippo. 1178 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:28.639 Yeah. Yeah. That's the ironic thing is you got this 1179 01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:31.880 childhood game that I think lulls people into thinking they're adorable, 1180 01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:36.679 and they will chew you up and shit you out 1181 01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:38.360 before you even realize you're dead. 1182 01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:42.760 Wow. Yeah, I mean I'm certainly afraid of its chomp. 1183 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.280 Yeah right, I mean it does. I mean you see 1184 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:47.440 those videos right where they stick these crazy things in there, 1185 01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:49.199 like watermelons and all sorts of stuff, and they just 1186 01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:50.159 always bananas. 1187 01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.239 This is another you know, there's a story recently, maybe 1188 01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:54.920 in the last ten years or so, of a guy 1189 01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:59.000 who raised a hippo from infancy. Okay, and it was 1190 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:02.480 his pet and and let me cut to the end, 1191 01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:07.639 the hippo ate him. Really yeah. Wow, because they're not pets, yo, 1192 01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:12.079 they're wild animals. Leave them alone, a way to go. 1193 01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:14.719 I gotta see this hippo. I mean, see this. This 1194 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.039 is executed really well because the only light we have 1195 01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:23.360 is moonlight, so there's basically you know light silhouettes on everybody, 1196 01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:25.800 and we can still tell what's going on. But it 1197 01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:31.039 also obscures this you know, animatronic puppet in the best 1198 01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:34.119 way possible because I think it I think it plays 1199 01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:39.480 really well, yes, this hippo puppet, but but it is 1200 01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:44.480 still just a hippo, meaning what like it's it's it 1201 01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:48.239 feels like they're straining for business. Oh ablute? Well because 1202 01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:50.559 it yeah, because then they just fire a couple of 1203 01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:52.559 shots and then goes away. It's like the hippo comes, 1204 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.559 it chomps, they shoot at it, it goes away. That right, Like, 1205 01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:58.199 it doesn't lead them anywhere, It doesn't accomplish anything. 1206 01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:02.599 This is my point, right, Like, like it's not you know, 1207 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:08.400 a mosa sore or something, you know, like where where 1208 01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:14.400 it's an otherworldly or or an unnatural creature based on 1209 01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.960 what we're familiar with. And sure there's an added level 1210 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:19.320 of tension, you know. I think what should have been 1211 01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:27.320 happening is we should have been should have been uh 1212 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:33.320 you know, laying laying the track for the ending. 1213 01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:37.800 M Yes, yes, like like was that like I know 1214 01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:39.280 they're on water, but like was that a gorilla? 1215 01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:42.599 That was no gorilla? Yeah, you know something like that, 1216 01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:44.800 you know. I mean it's it's it's kind of a 1217 01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:49.400 metaphorical descent into hell, you know, so like you're going 1218 01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:55.920 from the natural world that we know into something unnatural, 1219 01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.559 you know, so that it's not like you go into 1220 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:05.840 the the caves and oh it's so crazy, like kind 1221 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:08.239 of get us there slowly. 1222 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:16.159 Totally agree. I have to point out I read that 1223 01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:18.480 most of the volcano shots in this film are of 1224 01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:22.280 ur and Allay, an active volcano in Costa Rica that 1225 01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:25.480 I have hiked, no kidding, Yeah, I didn't recognize it, 1226 01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:29.199 but with our friend Sean Seawan and I hiked it together. 1227 01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:31.880 We took a trip many many years ago, a guy's 1228 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:34.639 trip to Costa Rica, and we actually while we were 1229 01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:38.079 on the volcano, it's an active volcano. We saw it 1230 01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:40.920 erupt We were on it as it was erupting. We 1231 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:42.719 saw rocks shooting out of it. 1232 01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:43.840 Get out of here. 1233 01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:46.719 We weren't near it, but it was pretty wild, pretty wild, 1234 01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:50.880 So that was pretty that's scary. Yeah, And then we 1235 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:53.519 are the night before we were in a hotel and 1236 01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:57.239 we heard like boom. We looked out and we could 1237 01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:59.639 see the top was red and little rocks flying out 1238 01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:01.119 of it. 1239 01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:03.280 It kind of kind of puts in perspective how how 1240 01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:05.599 inconsequential we are, you know, the oh. 1241 01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:08.239 If that thing wants to take us out, it'll take 1242 01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:08.760 us out. 1243 01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:13.280 Right, like yep, you know, big picture, mother nature is 1244 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:17.039 doing our own thing, and and we're more an annoyance 1245 01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:17.920 than anything else, you. 1246 01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:21.400 Know, exactly, be grateful that it's mostly leaving us alone. 1247 01:06:21.880 --> 01:06:22.960 Yeah, right, exactly. 1248 01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:28.880 Man, that is so funny. I mean, just watching you've 1249 01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:31.079 really got it in my head now, like watching and 1250 01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:34.480 just looking at a map standing on the ground, like 1251 01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.440 there's just really no urgency happening here. 1252 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:39.440 It's it's weird, it's it's very languid, you know. 1253 01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:46.239 Now you mentioned it earlier, but this does, by the way, 1254 01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:50.760 I will say though, this does look really great in 1255 01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:53.639 that I mean, these are real locations. 1256 01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:53.920 You know. 1257 01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.599 We have so many movies now that just simulate locations, 1258 01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:58.679 and you really, I think our eyes are kind of 1259 01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:00.639 adjusting to it. We're just getting you to it. But 1260 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:05.400 you do get the sense of disconnect between the characters 1261 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:08.679 and where they are. And this is pretty cool watching 1262 01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:13.239 them go through real fog trapsing around real volcanoes, through 1263 01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:17.599 real jungles. There's just a real palpability, you know, to 1264 01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:21.400 their sweatiness and just the leaves slapping their faces. It's 1265 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:21.960 pretty cool. 1266 01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:22.639 I agree. 1267 01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:26.360 So, by the way, I wanted to comment on this 1268 01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:30.199 so earlier. They jump out of a plane and they 1269 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:33.880 land like few and then the plane blows up, it 1270 01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:37.199 gets hit by a rocket, and those poor freaking pilots 1271 01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:41.840 are dead right, and they're basically like, wow, that was close. 1272 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:45.920 I'm like, not for the pilots, like they have this 1273 01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:51.039 real lack of like, I don't know, respect for the 1274 01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:54.280 loss of life that just happened. And so in this moment, 1275 01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:58.360 another plane that's been sent by Laura, Lenny's employer, like 1276 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:00.679 a second expedition to go look for her, has been 1277 01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:02.920 taken out of the sky and they come across the 1278 01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:06.880 crash crest remains of it and they're like, whoa damn, 1279 01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:10.239 and then they just keep hiking. I'm like, Oz, people 1280 01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:11.719 are dying and they just don't seem to care. 1281 01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:12.559 Well. 1282 01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:14.719 I mean, I would say even even later in the 1283 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:19.720 film when when Grant heslov gets gets acted right, Yeah, 1284 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:25.399 we barely let that register, you know. So this right here, 1285 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:30.159 this gorilla, I mean I was looking at it like 1286 01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:32.039 is that is that a real gorilla? 1287 01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:35.720 It's pretty tough to tell, right, Yeah, And I like this. 1288 01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:37.399 I think this is filmed well. I think this has 1289 01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.000 acted really well by Dylan Walsh. I can understand that 1290 01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:43.119 feeling of fear but having to do the thing they 1291 01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:45.640 tell you, like, yeah, don't look in the eye, but 1292 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:49.680 don't run and just I don't know this this scene 1293 01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:50.199 worked for me. 1294 01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:57.600 The the myth of the killer gorilla, right, which they 1295 01:08:57.600 --> 01:08:59.479 allude to earlier in the movie, You know that that 1296 01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:01.239 is something that when you think about it, has been 1297 01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:04.159 so pronounced and you realize that, in fact, out of 1298 01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.520 all the great apes, gorillas are the most gentle hmm. 1299 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:08.439 You know. 1300 01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:11.399 Chimpanzees are the one who who they're gonna lose their 1301 01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:12.560 shit at the drop of the hat. 1302 01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:17.560 Really. Yeah, See, this is the fun stuff you can 1303 01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:19.239 do in a story like this, right where you have 1304 01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:22.880 now Amy who's very much domesticated and can even speak 1305 01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:27.720 through this robotic right gloves. Yeah, like trying to communicate 1306 01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:29.880 with gorillas in the wild, and I just love that 1307 01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:34.239 her mode is Hi, hi'm Amy, how are you? 1308 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:34.520 You know? 1309 01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:36.159 And they're like what the hell? 1310 01:09:37.399 --> 01:09:39.840 She turns to Dylan Wallher'd be like, kill me. 1311 01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:43.000 Why did you do this to me? 1312 01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:49.279 Father? Kill me? You are the enemy? 1313 01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:51.239 You know. 1314 01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:54.960 It's it is kind of weird seeing Laura Lenny in 1315 01:09:55.039 --> 01:10:00.399 this movie, right, because like this is not her usual jam. 1316 01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:05.399 She's she created such a distinguished career as like this 1317 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:09.359 really well respected actor and you know, dramatic actress. And 1318 01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:12.239 to see her her in kind of just a pulpy 1319 01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:14.680 summer blockbuster feels in congress to me. 1320 01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:19.039 With like saying with pointing laser weapons and monkeys and 1321 01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:22.439 being like, let's put these suckers on the endangered species 1322 01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:23.439 exactly right. 1323 01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:25.479 That's like something you'd see in like a Simpsons parody 1324 01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:25.880 or something. 1325 01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:29.840 It is, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I mean what 1326 01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:34.399 was Primal Fear, Because Primal Fear was kind of after this, 1327 01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:36.760 after this, okay, because because I know that for sure, 1328 01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:39.239 because this is the first time I ever saw Laura Lennie. 1329 01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:42.159 Oh okay, okay, you know, yeah, she well, and then 1330 01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:44.039 you know, she's in Truman Show a couple of years later. 1331 01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:48.680 Speaking of Truman I can't remember if that's part of 1332 01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:50.319 the commentary or a bonus thing, but. 1333 01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:52.960 That that was the bonus thing. 1334 01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:56.359 Yeah, but anyway, but she's great in Truman Show. 1335 01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:58.119 Yeah, it's great in that. 1336 01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:01.439 Yeah. But yeah, she did, like you said, she doesn't 1337 01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:03.800 tend to be in these sort of blockbustery sorts of things. 1338 01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:06.439 Well, and and I mean she had some competition for 1339 01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:07.920 this role. I mean they were, you know, they were 1340 01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:10.399 looking at like Nane Lane and Susan Sarandon a couple 1341 01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:13.319 other people, and I think, you know, I mean, she 1342 01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:15.640 was virtually unknown at the time of this movie. So 1343 01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:21.680 I think that ended up being kind of a good choice. Yeah. 1344 01:11:22.119 --> 01:11:23.880 I think all of these actors. The fact that the 1345 01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:28.840 movie turned out a hit and did okay, it benefited everybody, 1346 01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.640 you know, m hm, because because pretty much all went 1347 01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:33.880 on to have a decent career. You know, everyone in 1348 01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:37.800 this nobody nobody, nobody got left behind, you know. 1349 01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:42.840 Yeah. Well, you know, speaking of it being a hit, 1350 01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:45.319 I mean that shows that not only did people show 1351 01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:49.600 up because they were expecting another Jurassic Park esque kind 1352 01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:52.920 of adventure, but they came back you know. Yeah, some 1353 01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:55.720 people repeat viewed this thing, so it did connect with 1354 01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:57.800 you know, enough people. 1355 01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:03.199 Well, so that's the thing, right, because you and at 1356 01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:06.960 least me, I'm like, you know, look, it's not I'm 1357 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:11.279 not gonna say it's it's good, you know, but it 1358 01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:16.920 it fills a specific niche and it's nice when movies 1359 01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:17.760 are able to do that. 1360 01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:22.640 Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. I mean this is 1361 01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:24.640 we talk about this often. I mean, we want the 1362 01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:32.560 multiplexus populated with historical dramas, horror films, comedies, romantic comedies, 1363 01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:36.279 pulp you know, pulp adventures like when I give it 1364 01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:37.880 to all of us. But this seems like a moment 1365 01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:41.399 where maybe people were more willing to give all of 1366 01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:43.640 those things a shot, whereas now it seems like those 1367 01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:45.279 things are a little more fragmented, like, oh, well, the 1368 01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:48.760 rom coms we watch on streaming and the two hundred 1369 01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:52.800 million dollar plus epic things, you know, superhero movies whatever 1370 01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:54.920 we go to the theater for. But it was it 1371 01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:57.279 was nice when all of this stuff not only could 1372 01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.239 be in theaters, but everyone was showing up for all 1373 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:02.079 of it all stuff. That's you know, when I play Cinematrix, 1374 01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:06.000 one of the categories is one hundred million dollars plus, right, 1375 01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:08.600 and you have to guess which movies potentially made a 1376 01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:10.520 hundred million dollars plus. And I told some people that 1377 01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:12.720 I play with and you and I share sometimes our 1378 01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:15.359 answers too. But if it's a movie in the nineties, 1379 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:18.640 I almost always assume it made a hundred million dollar 1380 01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:22.880 plus because it was just a heyday, yeah, for movies 1381 01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:25.039 and theater going. Like, if if it's a movie I 1382 01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:27.560 remember from the nineties, it probably made a hundred million 1383 01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:30.479 plus at least worldwide. Yeah, that's just the way it was. 1384 01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:37.399 That's a great point this summer. I mean, in addition 1385 01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:41.119 to Congo, you had Pocahontas, you had Brave Heart, You 1386 01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:48.479 had a water World paullout thirteen, right, like, like you know, 1387 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:52.680 Judge Draid was this summer, you know, Johnny Monik, right, 1388 01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:55.640 like it was. Not all of them were hits, right, 1389 01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:58.960 but most of the movies I said were some degree 1390 01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:02.479 of successful. And that shows Oh and you know, I 1391 01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:05.640 think I said Casper, etcetera. You know, like there was 1392 01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:08.399 there was a real diversity of content and that's always 1393 01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:11.319 good good, I think, you know. And I would also 1394 01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:15.640 imagine that if you were ten or eleven when you 1395 01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:17.479 watch this, and if you saw it in the theater, 1396 01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:21.680 I mean, it would be a real nostalgic experience. 1397 01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:25.479 I completely get that I just missed it, but I 1398 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:29.439 can totally imagine twelve year old Brian watching this, loving it, 1399 01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:31.960 and then watching it again as an adult, like I know, 1400 01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:33.359 I know, I know, but I love it. 1401 01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:36.399 Yeah, you know, you know, yeah, because I know there's 1402 01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:38.159 plenty of folks who have a lot of nostalgia for 1403 01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:38.520 this one. 1404 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.319 Yeah, you know, speaking of when you're talking about like 1405 01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:42.720 twelve year old and stuff, and then makes me think 1406 01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:45.880 of this and then Jurassic Park or whatever. Michael Crane's 1407 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:49.279 kind of interesting to me, Like I was thinking about 1408 01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:54.000 this earlier who was Jurassic Park written for? So it 1409 01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:58.840 became because Michael Crichton's earlier stuff is pretty adult, you know, Westbrood, 1410 01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:01.479 and so is Jurassic Park the book. That's what I'm saying. Like, 1411 01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:04.000 so like West World's pretty you know, are rated in 1412 01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:06.039 a lot of his earlier stuff, and even like Disclosure 1413 01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:08.560 and things like those very adult stories, and then Jurassic 1414 01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:11.039 Park just happened to be this thing. Then that got 1415 01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:14.760 you know, Steven Spielberg, who everybody enjoys his movies, and 1416 01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:16.680 then you know, makes a movie about dinosaurs, and of 1417 01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:18.159 course kids are going to want to see that. So 1418 01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:20.239 I was just thinking about when Crichton sat down and 1419 01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:26.279 wrote Jurassic Park, it just feels like a family franchise, now, 1420 01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:29.520 that's right, right, But when he made it, was he 1421 01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:31.960 just thinking he was making another like adult thriller. 1422 01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:35.399 Yeah, I mean it really when when you look at it, 1423 01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:37.359 it's it's a reskin of Westworld. 1424 01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:39.439 Yeah, oh yeah, totally right. 1425 01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:42.640 And and the book is I mean I haven't read 1426 01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:46.039 it since the early nineties, but it's it's much more violent, 1427 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:50.439 it's much darker, yeah, and gory, yeah, you know, and 1428 01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:53.079 and you know this is something, you know, as James 1429 01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:56.359 Cameron and Steven Spielberg were, you know, sort of they 1430 01:15:56.399 --> 01:15:58.239 were in pole position trying to get the rights. And 1431 01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:02.800 Cameron has said he would have made allans yeah, and 1432 01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:06.720 and tonally that's more in line with the book, right right, 1433 01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:12.039 and and so yeah, I mean Crichton, Crichton had had 1434 01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:16.199 his he he had all to himself. This air like 1435 01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:24.079 grounded science fiction. Mm hmm, right, the same way Tom 1436 01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:29.479 Clancy had all to himself, you know, espionage techno thrillers, 1437 01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:34.880 and Grisham had adult legal thrillers, you know, like those 1438 01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:37.880 are that was like the the mount Rushmore of adult 1439 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:41.000 fiction in the nineties. He had Clancy, Grisham and and Crichton, 1440 01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:44.279 you know, yep, yep. And I don't know who's the 1441 01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:48.920 for Danielle Steele. I don't know, yeah, you know, probably yeah, 1442 01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:55.000 right and and and I think that's that's really interesting 1443 01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:58.560 because because what oh, by the way, this the this 1444 01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:01.760 the guy who plays Claude. I was like, God, this 1445 01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:04.880 guy looks familiar and he's in Jordan of the Jungle. 1446 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:08.880 Oh interesting, I've rend and Fraser playing basically the same character. 1447 01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:14.520 Really sound like, well, he's he's found, he's found the 1448 01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:19.439 character to play you know. Yeah, but but Crichton, when 1449 01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:23.079 you look at the the the books that he wrote, 1450 01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:26.239 not all of which became successful movies, but many of 1451 01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:27.920 them did. I mean that they they're kind of that. 1452 01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:35.520 They're adult sci fi thrillers. Andromeda Strain and uh, you 1453 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:40.840 know what are Sphere Sphere which is not a good movie. 1454 01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:42.520 Yeah, which I've never seen either. 1455 01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:46.039 There's a whole run of not good Christen adaptations. 1456 01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:46.880 Disclosure. 1457 01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:50.439 Disclosure was okay from what I remember, you. 1458 01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:52.000 Know, it's so funny. The only thing I remember about 1459 01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:54.359 that is Michael Douglass. They tried, but they were so 1460 01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:58.800 convinced that like VR with dazzle audiences and be like 1461 01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:00.800 the next you know, future sick looking sort of thing. 1462 01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:02.239 I mean, he got a lot more man and everything, 1463 01:18:02.439 --> 01:18:02.840 and then. 1464 01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:07.079 Basically there he goes Grant Hasla. Never a good sign 1465 01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:09.840 when you have to slowly turn and face the camera. 1466 01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:11.960 Well yeah, and then the poor guy just had this 1467 01:18:12.039 --> 01:18:15.000 really awkward social interaction and that's his last moment on Earth. 1468 01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:17.399 I know, he's like, oh man, do I have to apologize? 1469 01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:20.000 Should I get him a card? I know? 1470 01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:23.800 Anyway, sorry you were by a killer eight. No, but disclosure. 1471 01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:26.520 I remember, basically Michael Douglas has to get like a 1472 01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:29.399 word file off of a computer. But they're like, but 1473 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:31.880 what if he did it through VR? So he's like, 1474 01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:34.399 you see this like digital version of him walking through 1475 01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:37.239 you know, like tense music playing walking through like an 1476 01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:40.600 office building, digital office building, just to like recover literally 1477 01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:42.199 like a word file off of a computer. It was 1478 01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:48.119 so ridiculous. But no, I just the whole thing is. 1479 01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:48.399 Yeah. 1480 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:51.359 I mean when you really look at Crichton's work, not 1481 01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:54.680 the film adaptations, but he seems like a very adult, 1482 01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:57.760 skewing like author. And it's just funny then to think that, 1483 01:18:57.880 --> 01:18:59.920 you know, Jurassic Park even before the film came out. 1484 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:02.680 I was introduced to him by buying that book at 1485 01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:05.359 a middle school book flamm You know, it's just kind 1486 01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:07.239 of funny that it's like, well, Spielberg's making it, so 1487 01:19:07.239 --> 01:19:08.239 now this is for everybody. 1488 01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:11.960 Yeah, and you know what I mean, I think the 1489 01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:14.880 fact that the Jurassic franchise is still going many years 1490 01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:18.000 after his passing means that ultimately that's probably what he'll 1491 01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:19.399 be most remembered for, you know. 1492 01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:20.720 Oh easily yeah, right. 1493 01:19:22.600 --> 01:19:25.279 He also you know, worth mentioning when it comes to Congo. 1494 01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:30.520 He programmed or helped program a video game adaptation because 1495 01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:33.319 he came up with the idea for the movie and 1496 01:19:33.359 --> 01:19:36.600 then he wrote the book. He sold the screen rights 1497 01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:39.920 to twentyth Century Fox, and at the same time he 1498 01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:42.760 was coming up with a game like this is like 1499 01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:49.119 early eighties, and then I guess what they realized later 1500 01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:50.760 that all the rights were sold. 1501 01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:53.399 Yeah. Yeah, Well so he basically knew how to code. 1502 01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:55.119 He yeah, like yeah, and what you said, like, he 1503 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:59.159 literally made the game himself crazy right, Yeah, based on Congo. 1504 01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:01.880 But then the contract that he had signed with Fox, 1505 01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:05.439 they owned any sort of ancillary things dealing with Congo, 1506 01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:08.399 so including video games. So then he was like, oh shoot, 1507 01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:09.840 so he had to tweak it a little bit, but 1508 01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:11.680 it still came out in nineteen eighty four. Is a 1509 01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:13.119 game called Amazon. 1510 01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:15.680 Amazon Yeah, and instead of Amy the Ape, it was 1511 01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:16.279 a parrot. 1512 01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:18.239 Ah how funny. 1513 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:19.760 Yeah, so that that kind of works. 1514 01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:23.039 That'd be funny if it was still just like Amy Gorilla. 1515 01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:29.319 He's like whatever, but whatever. The company that produced it 1516 01:20:29.399 --> 01:20:33.000 and put it out it was their most successful title. 1517 01:20:34.399 --> 01:20:35.079 Yes, that's right. 1518 01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:36.359 It was a successful game. 1519 01:20:37.720 --> 01:20:40.279 Yeah, and it predated the movie by about ten years 1520 01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:46.159 at least, you know, I think you know, you had Congo, 1521 01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:50.279 which did well, So you had Jurassic and Disclosure around 1522 01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:54.399 the same time, and then this, Oh that wasn't. 1523 01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:55.920 Ninety five also, wasn't it Disclosure? 1524 01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:56.680 Pretty sure? 1525 01:20:56.920 --> 01:20:57.359 Pretty sure? 1526 01:20:57.439 --> 01:21:00.479 Yeah? It was either ninety four ninety five. Yeah, And 1527 01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:02.920 then you had this run of movies that that weren't 1528 01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:06.079 so good so and they didn't do that well. So 1529 01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:12.399 he had Spear and what's the am I oh, of 1530 01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:13.800 course Thirteenth Warrior. 1531 01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:16.239 Oh, I say, I even forgot about them. 1532 01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:18.680 See Thirteenth Warrior. The book is called Eaters of the Dead, 1533 01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:22.199 I see, right. And and you know that movie famously 1534 01:21:22.359 --> 01:21:26.520 ended up with a unlike this where Crichton had no 1535 01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:28.600 involvement that one. He was like he was an ep 1536 01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:33.000 on it, I think, and he basically recut John mctiernan's. 1537 01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:34.119 Edit hm hm. 1538 01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:37.119 And so the version that was released was chopped down 1539 01:21:37.119 --> 01:21:42.039 and it's the Michael Crichton version cut. Yeah, yeah, and 1540 01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:47.319 the McTiernan cut like does not exist. Yeah, and that 1541 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:53.399 one tanked yeah. And then you had was it Timeline? 1542 01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:57.560 I think, oh, Timeline, that's right right, that was early 1543 01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:00.159 early aughts. I think I've never seen that either. That's 1544 01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:01.479 Richard Donner, right. 1545 01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:03.079 Richard Donner one of his last movies that he. 1546 01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:05.079 Did now, which people don't really tend to like. 1547 01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:10.279 Right, Uh yeah, I can't say anything about it. Yeah, 1548 01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:11.960 I know Paul Walker is in it. 1549 01:22:14.319 --> 01:22:19.159 Yeah, that's right, that's right, Paul Walker, Gerard Butler. So 1550 01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:22.000 now this is very speaking of aliens. You know, we 1551 01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:24.359 have these uh I don't want you to come like 1552 01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:26.800 century machine gun sort of things. 1553 01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:30.720 Like yeah, see, okay. So I think what needed to 1554 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:34.279 happen is the movie needed to introduce the idea of 1555 01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:37.159 these apes way earlier in the movie. 1556 01:22:37.439 --> 01:22:37.880 Mm hmm. 1557 01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:40.840 I mean we get like the little the little snippets 1558 01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:43.359 of them on the thing, you know, but we needed 1559 01:22:43.359 --> 01:22:46.319 the equivalent of some of Indie cracking the book and 1560 01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:47.960 being like these things here, you know. 1561 01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:53.239 Maybe Tim Curry like it's it's guarded by these mythical creatures. Yeah, 1562 01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:55.319 you know, and they're like, oh, you're crazy, you and 1563 01:22:55.319 --> 01:22:57.000 you're made up city and you're made up. 1564 01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:59.880 Monsters, right something like that, you know. 1565 01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:03.279 Yeah, and then they see weird like well the dressing 1566 01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:05.399 part you see like a giant footprint and go who. 1567 01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:11.880 Yeah yeah that yeah, or even you have the Ernie 1568 01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:14.119 Hudson character like he knows about him, you know. 1569 01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:17.119 Yeah, so yeah, maybe Tim Curry says that sort of 1570 01:23:17.119 --> 01:23:19.560 thing and everyone's like, oh, come on, and then yeah 1571 01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:22.520 he legitimizes it and goes, oh, no, I've heard that 1572 01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:23.319 legend too. 1573 01:23:23.359 --> 01:23:24.760 Yeah, you know something like that. 1574 01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:30.920 Yeah, this does look kind of cool, these lasers. 1575 01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:34.479 It is definitely very very aliens. 1576 01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:37.119 Yes, and this is a great idea too, like having 1577 01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:39.680 then the automatic machine guns fall over and then like 1578 01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:41.439 could possibly shoot at them. I think you could have 1579 01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:42.399 made more of a meal out of this. 1580 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:47.439 Yeah. See, I think the movie just takes too long 1581 01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:51.840 to get here because essentially, now it's like twenty minutes 1582 01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:56.079 of you know, high adventure or whatever we want to say, you. 1583 01:23:56.000 --> 01:24:04.399 Know, yeah, yeah, agree, And then do you kind of 1584 01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:07.399 feel bad when these white gorillas are getting killed? 1585 01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:14.039 Okay? Yes, So this is the problem, right, because the 1586 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:20.760 movie is essentially saying that these gorillas were bred so 1587 01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:24.439 that their most violent, you know, the most violent ones 1588 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:27.560 were the ones that propagated, and so they killed their 1589 01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:32.760 their you know, creators or whatever. And so I think 1590 01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:35.800 the movie assumes that by telling us that we'll be like, 1591 01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:40.960 so kill them all right, and and yeah, I'm with 1592 01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:43.960 you where it's like, I don't know, maybe they don't 1593 01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:47.279 need to laser them in half. Maybe you just maybe 1594 01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:48.079 just leave, you know. 1595 01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:50.880 Yeah, I'm like, you're kind of on their turf and 1596 01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:52.239 they're just doing what they do. 1597 01:24:52.760 --> 01:24:56.279 So this is the thing, right, But what you needed 1598 01:24:56.319 --> 01:24:59.520 to do was have an in story you should You 1599 01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:04.000 needed to show that these gorillas are expanding out and 1600 01:25:04.119 --> 01:25:04.960 killing people. 1601 01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:07.960 Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes. 1602 01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:10.119 Right, So in other words, they are they are a 1603 01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:13.600 harm that needs to be dealt with, like these these 1604 01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:17.199 are these are vicious predators in a in a way 1605 01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:19.880 that's that's that's unnatural. 1606 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:22.000 Yeah, And I don't even know if this makes sense, 1607 01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:24.800 because then you could argue, well, people made them, so 1608 01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:29.039 maybe this is like fitting that they hurt people. But 1609 01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:31.000 like you could even I don't know how this works 1610 01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:33.680 in the jungle especially, but like some sort of innocent 1611 01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:37.680 animal mutilated somewhere and you're like, what would do that? 1612 01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:41.000 You know, something that doesn't even know what it's doing anymore. 1613 01:25:41.119 --> 01:25:43.560 It's you know something, you know. Yeah, they're a little 1614 01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:47.760 they're beyond some sort of to use the wrong word humanity, 1615 01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:49.479 you know what I mean, Like they they don't even 1616 01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:51.560 know what they're doing anymore. They're just killing machines. 1617 01:25:52.239 --> 01:25:55.439 Yeah, because because what we have right now is is 1618 01:25:55.680 --> 01:26:00.960 it's it's the they are in they are in the city, 1619 01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:05.560 and they are protecting the diamonds as they were bred 1620 01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:10.119 to do, and obviously that's bad and weird and whatever. 1621 01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:12.079 But it's like, okay, we'll just leave then. 1622 01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:16.880 Right, right, or at least I mean I get it, 1623 01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:20.640 I get it, But yeah, they're doing what they were 1624 01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:22.279 bred to do, and I just kind of feel bad 1625 01:26:22.279 --> 01:26:23.760 as they're getting lasered in half. 1626 01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:30.439 Yeah. Really, Yeah, I think that that's a tough one, right, 1627 01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:38.760 because the movies view towards the gorillas in general is 1628 01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:43.039 an empathetic one. M you know, the silver backs and 1629 01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:47.960 Amy and whatever, and so it feels very bipolar. 1630 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:52.000 Right, you know, but maybe even of its time in 1631 01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:55.800 a weird sort of way, like that joke of Lenny 1632 01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:57.840 says later about like trying to put these things on 1633 01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:00.720 the endangered species list. Yeah, I feel like we as 1634 01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:02.960 a society now have a little more empathy for that 1635 01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:05.720 sort of thing. Like where I could see that being 1636 01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:07.720 kind of a joke maybe in the nineties, you know, 1637 01:27:09.159 --> 01:27:11.319 where we didn't think about those things is sensitively. 1638 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:16.760 I'm trying to think, I'm trying to remember what the 1639 01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:19.960 general societal view was back then. I mean, I feel 1640 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:22.600 like people were generally empathetic towards animals back then. 1641 01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:25.720 You know, yeah, I don't know, I just I know 1642 01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:27.720 there was a little bit more of a reverence or 1643 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:29.800 like a like it's so funny because like woke and 1644 01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:31.439 all that stuff is the words we hear now, But 1645 01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:34.439 like I remember when, like political correctness was a big 1646 01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:35.760 thing in the nineties and it was kind of a 1647 01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:36.520 funny thing to buy. 1648 01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:38.159 That's what used to be called woke. 1649 01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:40.880 Yeah, yeah, but it was it didn't feel as like 1650 01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:46.239 nasty and pointed and calculated as it is now. H yeah. 1651 01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:49.760 But just using Jurassic as a point of comparison, right, 1652 01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:53.239 Like you watch the movie and you're not like, oh, 1653 01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:58.079 kill the dinosaurs exactly, yes, right, yeah, So you're in 1654 01:27:58.159 --> 01:27:59.800 awe of them, you're scared of them, we're trying to 1655 01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:02.640 get away from them, but you're not like laser them 1656 01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:03.039 in half. 1657 01:28:03.119 --> 01:28:05.800 You know that's true. I mean, well, and it just 1658 01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:09.399 kind of shows what an amazing filmmaker, the understanding that 1659 01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:12.800 Spielberg has for his audience. Yeah, he knows how to 1660 01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:16.800 handle these killing Some of them are just killing machines velociraptors, 1661 01:28:16.840 --> 01:28:20.000 but like he knows that, like we wouldn't enjoy seeing 1662 01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:26.039 one completely destroyed human. Yeah, he finds that balance perfectly. Okay, 1663 01:28:26.079 --> 01:28:29.560 so something I thought, but I just didn't let my 1664 01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:31.439 brain go down that path. But then when I listened 1665 01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:35.319 to I have to credit that how did this get made? Podcast? 1666 01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:37.079 They were like, it's so funny when they go in 1667 01:28:37.079 --> 01:28:39.760 the Diamond mind and the diamonds are just randomly like 1668 01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:44.640 laying on top of the surface. It's so like, like, 1669 01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:52.239 what that's so true? Is that funny? I remember kind 1670 01:28:52.239 --> 01:28:55.039 of thinking it, but not again, I just wasn't as 1671 01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:57.239 plugged in enough to really let it sink in. But 1672 01:28:57.319 --> 01:28:59.439 like it is very silly. 1673 01:28:59.680 --> 01:29:04.159 Well, okay, so maybe because we see bones of other 1674 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:06.079 well I guess those are bones of other gorillas, right, 1675 01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:09.399 but maybe there have been people who made it this 1676 01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:13.479 far and and those are the diamonds that they tried 1677 01:29:13.520 --> 01:29:16.039 to escape with, and so they've just liked that there 1678 01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:16.279 you go. 1679 01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:18.119 Well, you know, it would have been kind of cool 1680 01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:21.119 then to play off of that where maybe it's in 1681 01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:25.000 a satchel yeah or something. It's like, wow, someone was here, 1682 01:29:25.039 --> 01:29:26.479 But what do you think happened to them? Why did 1683 01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:28.239 they why did they drop this and leave it behind? 1684 01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:29.760 And then you go in a room and find all 1685 01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:34.159 these bones and go, oh, I think that that would 1686 01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:34.640 have worked better. 1687 01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:41.680 Yeah, see, I think nowadays you would have much bigger 1688 01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:48.000 CGI hordes. Oh right, yeah, I think that's kind of 1689 01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:50.279 the thing, Like maybe maybe that's part of the problem. 1690 01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:55.159 Is it feels a little like there's probably like a 1691 01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:57.920 dozen of these guys here, you know, and we're just 1692 01:29:58.039 --> 01:29:59.079 lasering them, you know. 1693 01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:01.159 Yeah. 1694 01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:04.920 So so according to the book, there's an autopsy scene 1695 01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:07.439 at some point in the book and they see that 1696 01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:11.880 these these gorillas are the product of a gorilla DNA 1697 01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:17.960 and chimpanzee DNA and even human DNA, which let's wonder 1698 01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:23.039 how that happened. Moving on, Yeah, and that's why they're 1699 01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:25.239 they're freaking horrific looking. 1700 01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:30.319 Yeah, maybe if you made him look more even more mutant, like. 1701 01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:35.439 Let's let's pour one out for mister Homolka. Yeah see, okay, 1702 01:30:35.560 --> 01:30:38.000 so so and I'll let you get back to your point, 1703 01:30:38.079 --> 01:30:42.560 but that right there, when Tim Curry dies, I don't 1704 01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:44.680 think like I feel kind of bad for him, right, 1705 01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:47.720 And I don't think the movie knows what it wants 1706 01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:48.840 us to feel about him. 1707 01:30:49.119 --> 01:30:50.760 Yeah, or even spends time to care. 1708 01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:51.439 Right. 1709 01:30:52.640 --> 01:30:55.840 Yeah, sorry you were saying, no, no, I don't remember, 1710 01:30:56.199 --> 01:31:02.119 but I alluded to this earlier. But speaking of the 1711 01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:04.520 very similitude of the jungle and everything that I was 1712 01:31:04.520 --> 01:31:07.680 saying earlier, now you walk into what you said earlier 1713 01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:11.199 feels like a Universal Studio stunt show spectacular, which is 1714 01:31:11.239 --> 01:31:13.359 basically just like a box. 1715 01:31:13.079 --> 01:31:13.640 Of a room. 1716 01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:18.840 It has red. Yeah, you know, it's just I don't know. 1717 01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:22.399 You just don't buy it as this cool, dusty, dark, 1718 01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:26.279 dank hidden mine, like legendary mythic hidden mind, you know. 1719 01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:28.520 And so what I had read that I thought was 1720 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:32.279 kind of interesting. Stan Winston he was never fully satisfied 1721 01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:34.359 with the gray gorillas and the way that they looked. 1722 01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:40.640 But he pointed out, you know, in something like that, 1723 01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:43.520 you would try to it's not just about what the 1724 01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:45.479 suit looks like. It's also how do you light it? 1725 01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:48.439 Does it? How do you capture it on camera? And 1726 01:31:48.479 --> 01:31:51.720 he was saying he hated this set because it's just 1727 01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:56.399 this big, cavernous set and for that reason, you couldn't 1728 01:31:56.439 --> 01:31:59.359 put foliage or anything in there that could be lit 1729 01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:02.920 in a certain way that would dapple all the characters 1730 01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:06.760 in there and obscure the more mysterious, weird jnky looking characters. 1731 01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:08.199 Interesting, isn't it interesting? 1732 01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:10.039 I was like, Oh, that's a really great point. I mean, 1733 01:32:10.039 --> 01:32:12.720 when you have these things that are not going to 1734 01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:16.079 ever look quite realistic to the human eye, well then 1735 01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:19.199 you have to like creatively to obscure them a little 1736 01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:20.960 bit and make them mysterious and make it work. But 1737 01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:23.720 he's saying, in this big cavernous room, nothing for the 1738 01:32:23.800 --> 01:32:26.439 light to go through and create interesting shadows. You just 1739 01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:30.479 get these brightly lit, weird looking monkey suits, and it 1740 01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:33.039 looks a little odd, It looks a little We both 1741 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:34.680 clocked it earlier, just saying this is kind of a 1742 01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:38.319 flat looking scene, unfortunately interesting and it's interesting. Hearing Sam 1743 01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:41.760 Winston comment on his satisfaction with it and saying that 1744 01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:44.199 his work doesn't come across the best. 1745 01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:46.840 That it could for that reason, I think he's probably 1746 01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:47.319 on point. 1747 01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:49.359 Yeah. 1748 01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:55.680 You know, we see earlier with the Campbell character's corpse there, 1749 01:32:56.319 --> 01:32:58.760 I'm like, why wouldn't you give us the close up, 1750 01:32:58.880 --> 01:32:59.960 like give us his face? 1751 01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:02.720 Yeah, totally right. 1752 01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:04.840 It's weird that they didn't. The other the other thought. 1753 01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:07.439 I had this random but like when when Karen she 1754 01:33:07.479 --> 01:33:10.079 comes into says, she's like, she calls out Charles and 1755 01:33:10.119 --> 01:33:12.359 then she's like Charlie. And I was like, I feel like, 1756 01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:16.319 if you're a Charles, you're not a Charlie, but you've 1757 01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:18.039 locked in. But then I was like, it'd be funny 1758 01:33:18.039 --> 01:33:22.600 if she's like Charlie, Chuck, Chazz, You're right, Chucky, you know, 1759 01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:28.680 sea dog. But yeah, that's weird. It's clearly like a 1760 01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:30.960 dummy that looks like Bruce Campbell. But I'm like, why 1761 01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:34.000 don't you just like just get get a b roll 1762 01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:38.520 shot of him, like his face, we should get that. Yeah, 1763 01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:42.479 you know, you know he the frozen look of horror 1764 01:33:42.479 --> 01:33:44.079 on his face or something. But I feel like we 1765 01:33:44.079 --> 01:33:44.640 should have got that. 1766 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:50.319 I don't know, Yeah, no, I don't disagree. It's kind 1767 01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:53.000 of funny, this toss off exposition mother's instinct. What do 1768 01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:53.479 you know about that? 1769 01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:57.520 Let's go anyway, put them on the endangered species. 1770 01:33:57.840 --> 01:33:59.960 Yeah, she's looking. I mean that's another thing too, like 1771 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:01.920 you could sort of obscure the violence a little bit, 1772 01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:05.079 but they're like, look at this. Poor things like arm 1773 01:34:05.159 --> 01:34:06.239 get chopped off. 1774 01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:09.600 That's that's what I'm saying, like, now, like what we 1775 01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:14.479 know of Laura Lenny, it just feels very incongruous, you know, yeah, yeah, 1776 01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:16.920 it's like Helen Mirren in a Fast and Furious movie. 1777 01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:20.159 Now you're like, what something's off about that? You know? Yeah? 1778 01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:20.960 Yeah yeah. 1779 01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:24.399 And by the way, like I you know, yeah, I mean, 1780 01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:27.039 these things are attacking. This is a bit of a defense, yes, 1781 01:34:27.119 --> 01:34:28.640 for the humans, But I just feel like you could 1782 01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:32.840 make the execution a little more nuanced and it might 1783 01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:35.000 not have those thoughts even enter our minds. 1784 01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:38.720 Now, is there is there some in story explanation for 1785 01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:40.720 why the volcano starts erupting? 1786 01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:46.520 Well, you know that, not that I'm aware of, but 1787 01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:49.479 it would be interesting if it'd be like they took 1788 01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:49.880 too much. 1789 01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:53.680 These gorillas are jumping right into the lava, so you. 1790 01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:56.760 Know there is the there do there there? You know, 1791 01:34:58.119 --> 01:34:59.239 they weren't meant to survive. 1792 01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:05.239 You know, this is a Darwinian effect exactly exactly, but yeah. 1793 01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:06.520 It should it should have been a result of something 1794 01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:07.399 they're doing, because. 1795 01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:09.840 There's invaders here, yes exactly. 1796 01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:11.720 You know what I mean, kind of like Indiana Jones 1797 01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:13.920 right when he messes with something in a temple. 1798 01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:15.760 It's you know what they should have been. I'll tell 1799 01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:17.960 you you have Tim Curry. He goes he gets a 1800 01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:21.000 whole bunch of bunch of diamonds, okay, and then he's 1801 01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:24.800 walking away, his pockets are loaded up, and then he 1802 01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:26.960 kind of sees like a glint out of the corner 1803 01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:28.000 of his end, and he goes over and this is 1804 01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:31.399 big honkin diamond and he's like, he rubs his hands 1805 01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:33.640 together and he yanks it out. And that was the 1806 01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:36.159 cork that was holding in all the lava. 1807 01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:40.119 That was a cork diamond, you fool. 1808 01:35:40.319 --> 01:35:42.319 He pulls it out and he's all happy, and then 1809 01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:45.079 bra it starts coming out. 1810 01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:50.119 I mean something like that, actually in that arena feels possible, 1811 01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:51.840 you know what I mean, Like, maybe not like that 1812 01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:55.960 on the nose, but yeah, you know, like that's what 1813 01:35:56.000 --> 01:36:04.039 I'm saying, like the result of greed or hubrist or something. Yeah, 1814 01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:06.119 I mean, this stuff could be like a set or something, 1815 01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:08.239 but I still think it looks kind of impressive and cool. 1816 01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:12.880 Yeah, this stuff, I don't mind. It's the inside the 1817 01:36:12.920 --> 01:36:15.600 cave stuff just looks a little too a little to 1818 01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.359 channel fifty syndication, you know. 1819 01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:19.800 Agreed. 1820 01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:23.079 See, once she got a taste of that laser. 1821 01:36:24.760 --> 01:36:31.640 Yeah, but she do we ever introduce this weapon because 1822 01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:32.439 they want the. 1823 01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:34.000 No, that's the funny thing. 1824 01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:36.239 Yes, because the diamond is supposed to be for like 1825 01:36:36.279 --> 01:36:38.039 a telecom that's satellite. 1826 01:36:38.199 --> 01:36:40.960 It's like her pulling out a lightsaber in the third act. 1827 01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:45.079 Yes, yes, what, Well, because it would make sense if 1828 01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:49.760 the dad, who's clearly evil, yeah, knew this and maybe 1829 01:36:49.800 --> 01:36:52.279 even one of the diamonds, like yeah, telecom whatever, like, actually, 1830 01:36:52.279 --> 01:36:55.239 we have a contract with the military these weapons you 1831 01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:57.800 don't know about. Laura Lenny would be opposed to it. Yes, 1832 01:36:58.239 --> 01:36:59.720 So why does she have this weapon? Why does she 1833 01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:00.079 even know that? 1834 01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:03.600 This is? No she like jury rigged, like she like 1835 01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:04.760 mcguibird a laser? 1836 01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:05.399 Oh did she? 1837 01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:06.079 Yeah? 1838 01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:10.279 Okay, now this is this is. 1839 01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:12.039 A thing that bugs me in movies in general, where 1840 01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:16.840 we see characters outrun lava. Sure, I'm like, you're not 1841 01:37:16.880 --> 01:37:17.760 outrunning lava. 1842 01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:19.640 Yeah. 1843 01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:22.720 Yeah, you know, I'm not an expert, but I know 1844 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:25.399 enough to know that if if there's a lava flow 1845 01:37:25.560 --> 01:37:28.439 within you know your eye line, you're you're you're about 1846 01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:29.000 to be cooked. 1847 01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:33.359 That's really funny. Well, I hope I never find out. 1848 01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:35.600 Uh, well, don't go hiking on that mountain again. 1849 01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:38.039 Well, you know, this is probably a part. Yeah, that's right, 1850 01:37:38.399 --> 01:37:41.119 this is probably a you know, part of the Congo book. 1851 01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:43.680 But that is interesting this writer Joe versus the volcano, 1852 01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:45.560 and then you have a whole volcano set piece at 1853 01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:46.199 the end of this too. 1854 01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:48.520 There you go. Maybe that's why he signed on. He 1855 01:37:48.640 --> 01:37:50.479 just like this is his particular passion. 1856 01:37:50.680 --> 01:37:55.199 Yeah, yeah, I know we mentioned Jerry Goldsmith, but I 1857 01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:57.079 don't know if you looked in the credits, did you 1858 01:37:57.079 --> 01:37:59.159 see that James Newton Howard was also credited. 1859 01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:00.239 I didn't that. 1860 01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:02.359 Actually, I thought that was interesting, so I looked into it. 1861 01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:06.319 Goldsmith was brought on when this was being talked about 1862 01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:09.399 in the early eighties, okay, and when it was going 1863 01:38:09.399 --> 01:38:13.079 into production in the nineties, James Newton Howard was hired. Okay, 1864 01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:16.920 So he wrote I guess a tribal chant that was 1865 01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:20.239 earlier in the movie, but at some point he had 1866 01:38:20.279 --> 01:38:22.520 to back out of it, out of the movie, and 1867 01:38:22.600 --> 01:38:26.840 Goldsmith was brought back, so he ultimately did the majority 1868 01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:29.079 of the score. But James Newton Howard has some work 1869 01:38:29.279 --> 01:38:30.319 in the movie. 1870 01:38:30.399 --> 01:38:32.880 Oh that's okay. Goldsmith would always come through in a 1871 01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:34.760 clutch man. They'd be like you got, you got, you 1872 01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:39.119 got six days, and he'd be like, step aside, let 1873 01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:40.000 the maestro work. 1874 01:38:40.159 --> 01:38:41.279 Yeah, and it's a great score. 1875 01:38:41.560 --> 01:38:42.119 I think it is. 1876 01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:43.760 You know, it's funny. I was flipping channels the other 1877 01:38:43.840 --> 01:38:45.800 night and I saw this movie. I wonder if other 1878 01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:48.079 people have nostalgia for this, but it was very terrible. 1879 01:38:48.119 --> 01:38:51.359 It was called Mom and Dad Saved the World. I think, okay, 1880 01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:53.119 my Mom and Dad said the Galaxy or something. It 1881 01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:58.039 was Terry Garr Jeffrey Jones. Famously, John Lovettz was fired 1882 01:38:58.039 --> 01:39:01.439 from SNL for being in that movie, and so I 1883 01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:02.840 just kind of knew what it was, and so I 1884 01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:05.840 stopped on it and I was like, this movie looks bad, 1885 01:39:05.880 --> 01:39:08.000 Like the production value is very bad. I was like, 1886 01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:10.279 what is this score? The score is like not terrible 1887 01:39:10.600 --> 01:39:15.439 and so curiosity IMDb. Harry Goldsmith Jerry Goldsmith, Yeah. 1888 01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:18.600 I mean, my man was cranking stuff out in the nineties. Yeah, 1889 01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:23.279 like if it was an action movie, easily, you know, 1890 01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:27.520 better than than than the forty chance that it was 1891 01:39:28.600 --> 01:39:29.359 Jerry Goldsmith. 1892 01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:30.560 You know, yeah, he's solid. 1893 01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:34.720 Yeah. I love Horner. You know, they were doing a 1894 01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:37.800 lot in the nineties, you know, Oh, Man Horner RP. 1895 01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:44.680 He's a rip legend. I love her, like shooting a 1896 01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:50.319 satellite from space just with this like thing like take this, 1897 01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:53.520 you know they like like. 1898 01:39:53.720 --> 01:39:56.439 Well, and I love that. Jodn Baker Man, he's just 1899 01:39:56.600 --> 01:40:00.000 he's in. He's in that one one tier. What about 1900 01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:02.399 the diamond, my diamond diamond? 1901 01:40:03.680 --> 01:40:05.840 Yeah, yeah, she even has to like spelled out this 1902 01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:08.279 was never about your son, screwmas On. Where's the diamond? 1903 01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:13.399 My diamond's my real son. I never loved him anyway. 1904 01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:16.600 I just love the idea of like being able to 1905 01:40:16.640 --> 01:40:20.199 like a lock onto a satellite from like the ground, 1906 01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:20.680 and just. 1907 01:40:21.960 --> 01:40:24.319 I feel like people knew enough in the nineties to 1908 01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:28.399 know that was probably not realistic and they're like we don't. 1909 01:40:28.239 --> 01:40:31.079 Care, or like I wouldn't want to stand next to her. 1910 01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:32.720 That feels like there'd be a lot of firepower. 1911 01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:34.000 Possibly. 1912 01:40:36.159 --> 01:40:40.800 Well, now we get the sad goodbye. Amy wants a boyfriend. 1913 01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:43.760 And yet it's it's it's a better life for her. 1914 01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:47.439 I hope, I gotta be honest. I mean, these silver 1915 01:40:47.479 --> 01:40:53.520 Backs seem kind of welcoming, but she is not conditioned 1916 01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:56.159 for the wilds. That's a good point, right, She's been 1917 01:40:56.359 --> 01:41:00.239 fed food out of coolers and sedated when anything scary happened. 1918 01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:02.560 And bananas with pills in them. 1919 01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:06.439 Yeah, well, wearing three D glasses with her buds drinking. 1920 01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:09.920 She asks for martini. They had the downhill pretty fast, and. 1921 01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:12.520 That would actually be funny, and you know, asking for 1922 01:41:12.560 --> 01:41:14.720 martini and the other ones like what's a martini and 1923 01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:18.239 she's like no, And then we just cut back to 1924 01:41:18.319 --> 01:41:21.800 the humans in their hot air balloon. Like that's the 1925 01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:22.600 end of that chapter. 1926 01:41:26.920 --> 01:41:30.159 Oh man, I don't know. 1927 01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:33.359 I mean I can understand people being like, oh, it's weird. 1928 01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:36.119 They love each other. Nah, this is very sweet to me. 1929 01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:40.319 The Peter Amy stuff, I totally track with me too. 1930 01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:46.479 Yeah, me too. Yeah. 1931 01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:52.399 The the you know, it's convenient that the volcano erupted 1932 01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:56.239 just in time to wipe out any evidence of the 1933 01:41:56.279 --> 01:41:58.399 lost city of Zinge. You know it was it laid 1934 01:41:58.439 --> 01:42:03.239 dormant for god knows how long. But again, we just 1935 01:42:03.319 --> 01:42:06.520 we just needed that pulling the cork scene with Tim Curry. 1936 01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:07.000 That would have. 1937 01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:12.840 Pulling the cork that should be added, like jump the shark, 1938 01:42:13.560 --> 01:42:16.439 you know, like cork Like that means like, oh, they 1939 01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:18.720 had an opportunity to do something they didn't capitalize on 1940 01:42:19.239 --> 01:42:19.880 the should. 1941 01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:23.199 Have pulled the cork. Now this Now, the thought I 1942 01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:28.359 had with this is why would they assume that they 1943 01:42:28.399 --> 01:42:29.800 won't get shot down? 1944 01:42:30.399 --> 01:42:30.680 Yes? 1945 01:42:31.039 --> 01:42:34.000 Here right back in the air, yes, right. Well. 1946 01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:35.640 I was also thinking it's funny because they're like, let's 1947 01:42:35.640 --> 01:42:37.800 see where the wind takes us. And then my brain 1948 01:42:38.039 --> 01:42:40.239 was like, hilarious if the wind was blowing them toward 1949 01:42:40.279 --> 01:42:41.319 the volcano and they're. 1950 01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:47.359 Like, ah, okay, now explain to me why she throws 1951 01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:49.760 why she has the diamond thrown away? 1952 01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:52.399 There's no point, man, They went through so much, right, 1953 01:42:53.119 --> 01:42:54.479 I would benefit from it down there. 1954 01:42:54.560 --> 01:42:58.119 I was thinking about that. I was like, that doesn't 1955 01:42:58.159 --> 01:42:58.760 make sense. 1956 01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:01.640 No, they're not stealing from culture, they're not stealing from 1957 01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:04.920 like a museum. You may as well keep that as 1958 01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:08.560 some sort of like I don't know, benefit out of 1959 01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:09.319 this entire thing. 1960 01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:13.039 Yeah, I I. He was so baffling to me because 1961 01:43:13.079 --> 01:43:17.600 I'm like, a better button would have been, yes, one 1962 01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:20.319 of the characters finding it and like oh look here 1963 01:43:20.359 --> 01:43:20.640 you go. 1964 01:43:20.920 --> 01:43:23.399 Yeah, you know, and like maybe the you know, the 1965 01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:26.239 gorilla program you know that doctor Peter had was like 1966 01:43:26.319 --> 01:43:31.239 losing its funding, you know, something like yeah, it benefits 1967 01:43:31.279 --> 01:43:35.079 them in some way. That's noble right something. 1968 01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:36.720 You know, you have them to look at the volcano 1969 01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:39.039 and be like, you know, it's like like it never existed, 1970 01:43:39.079 --> 01:43:41.880 and then you know it holds up a diamond. Monroe 1971 01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:43.359 maybe he's like, are you sure about that? You know, 1972 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:46.800 kind of totally, and maybe he Monroe finds it and 1973 01:43:46.800 --> 01:43:50.399 he just tosses it to Peter something like that, like 1974 01:43:50.479 --> 01:43:51.279 he doesn't need it. 1975 01:43:51.439 --> 01:43:53.159 You're making me. You give me that feel where I'm 1976 01:43:53.159 --> 01:43:54.560 getting like giddy and I'm like, zactly, I want to 1977 01:43:54.560 --> 01:43:57.279 write a movie with you. This would be so much fun, 1978 01:43:57.359 --> 01:43:58.399 just spitball in a room. 1979 01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:02.640 I'd love it. Well, I love I love workshopping when 1980 01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:04.960 we watch this stuff, you know, mm hmmmm hmm. 1981 01:44:07.640 --> 01:44:11.880 Well, okay, so now we're watching the credits. I really 1982 01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:16.199 wasn't exactly sure how I felt after first viewing this 1983 01:44:16.359 --> 01:44:19.680 was a blast. I could see now I have like 1984 01:44:19.800 --> 01:44:21.600 sort of a familiarity with it and I know what 1985 01:44:21.640 --> 01:44:23.319 it is, and I can kind of laugh at parts 1986 01:44:23.319 --> 01:44:24.720 and also be like, oh, that part's not so bad, 1987 01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:26.520 and I can see it being one of those movies 1988 01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:29.439 where if I was flipping channels like oh, this part's 1989 01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:32.079 like kind of fun and stopping on it where I 1990 01:44:32.119 --> 01:44:34.680 had no relationship with this before. 1991 01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:37.439 So I'm yeah, I'm very curious about that. So so 1992 01:44:37.560 --> 01:44:42.039 when you first watched it like two days ago, you're 1993 01:44:42.119 --> 01:44:44.079 just like, what what did I just watch? 1994 01:44:48.479 --> 01:44:50.279 Kind of I mean, it just felt like. 1995 01:44:51.720 --> 01:44:54.840 Real quick under featuring we have ad Wale, right, and 1996 01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:58.119 that's that's mister Echo. Oh and he's got a very 1997 01:44:58.119 --> 01:44:59.920 elaborate last name. You know. 1998 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:01.239 I was going to say, they don't even give you. 1999 01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:04.000 He's like share and I'm like, yeah, I was like, hey, 2000 01:45:04.239 --> 01:45:06.159 I guess I guess that's all you need is just 2001 01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:09.319 the one name. Yeah, is Jimmy Buffett as the seventy 2002 01:45:09.399 --> 01:45:09.960 seven pilot. 2003 01:45:10.560 --> 01:45:13.039 Yeah, sorry, you were saying, oh, no, no, no, no, I 2004 01:45:13.079 --> 01:45:15.840 just yeah, I just I was like, oh, Frank Welker 2005 01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:18.600 of course naturally making the gorilla noises. 2006 01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:24.600 Of course Amy's voice. By the way, they they initially 2007 01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:29.680 were were thinking of Kim Basinger, what which like that 2008 01:45:29.720 --> 01:45:32.079 would sound kind of horny probably right, See. 2009 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:34.199 That's yes, that's where it would have gone wrong. 2010 01:45:34.479 --> 01:45:38.039 Yeah, so they did the right, the right approach to that. 2011 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:41.439 You know, Oh, Peter, yeah, Peter, it makes me a 2012 01:45:41.520 --> 01:45:45.560 martini like that'd be I don't know, I don't know 2013 01:45:45.560 --> 01:45:46.119 about that one. 2014 01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:49.079 Okay, sorry you were saying no, no, no, I just yeah, 2015 01:45:49.079 --> 01:45:49.560 I was. 2016 01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:51.720 I was confused, like I said, with the ciskel Kniebert 2017 01:45:52.840 --> 01:45:56.560 inside of me, kind of arguing over is this CAMPI 2018 01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:59.279 in fun? Or is this just a bad movie? 2019 01:45:59.760 --> 01:45:59.960 You know? 2020 01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:02.359 Is this like I just didn't know because I was 2021 01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:05.880 quite prepared. Yeah, but now I kind of see it 2022 01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.640 for it's kind of all the above, and it does 2023 01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:13.199 make it charming in its own way. Yeah, as an artifact, 2024 01:46:13.199 --> 01:46:15.239 I would say, I don't know that I would recommend, 2025 01:46:15.319 --> 01:46:16.920 like I'm going to leave this room and then go 2026 01:46:17.239 --> 01:46:18.920 tell my brother, like, you know, you should watch the Night. 2027 01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:22.079 No, no, no, Hey, I would agree with that. I I 2028 01:46:22.079 --> 01:46:24.920 I definitely I look at this and and just as 2029 01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:28.279 our conversation you know, alludes to, you know, I see 2030 01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:33.479 the ways it could have potentially been a more engrossing adaptation. Again, 2031 01:46:33.560 --> 01:46:37.199 not having read the book, I should say, but but yeah, 2032 01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:40.520 it was. It was of its time, and you know, 2033 01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:46.039 I always say, like, you know, there there there was 2034 01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:48.960 room in the marketplace for something that was a little 2035 01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:52.920 off kilter like this totally and and even in its imperfections, 2036 01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:56.359 I mean it's it's you know, it allows us to 2037 01:46:56.880 --> 01:46:59.800 have a conversation like this where you know, we laugh 2038 01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:02.399 and I think that's that's a good thing, you know. 2039 01:47:02.680 --> 01:47:04.760 I agree, And and to your point earlier, if I 2040 01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:08.760 was ten or something and saw this for the first time, 2041 01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:11.960 I could totally imagine it, yeah, imprinting on me in 2042 01:47:11.960 --> 01:47:14.199 a certain sort of way, and then years later watching 2043 01:47:14.199 --> 01:47:16.439 it for fun to be nostalgic. 2044 01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:20.159 Yep. By the way, we should say orchestrations by Alexander Courage. 2045 01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:25.159 Alexander Courage, of course, wrote the Star Trek original television 2046 01:47:25.159 --> 01:47:26.640 series theme Wow. 2047 01:47:27.520 --> 01:47:27.720 Yeah. 2048 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:30.279 He used to work with Goldsmith a lot. He would 2049 01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:35.319 he would, you know, take take the music that Goldsmith 2050 01:47:35.359 --> 01:47:38.680 wrote and tweak it or whatever. And sometimes he would 2051 01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:39.800 conduct his orchestras too. 2052 01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:40.680 Wow. 2053 01:47:40.760 --> 01:47:44.119 That's cool. But hey, that's our thoughts on Congo. And 2054 01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:46.760 let us know what you think about not only the 2055 01:47:46.760 --> 01:47:48.560 film but what we have to say. 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