WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:04.480 All right, well, it's good drivetime Monday afternoon, fourteen minutes 2 00:00:04.599 --> 00:00:06.400 past the hour of two o'clock. 3 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:07.360 It is cold. 4 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:11.759 It is great because it's January and Utah, almost halfway 5 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:13.679 through January. We're gonna get through your kids, you and 6 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:16.239 me together and as it is every single day, it's 7 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:18.359 gonna have you along for the red bench check. 8 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:19.079 It's behind the mic. 9 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:21.679 That young man is Porter Larsen beyond the Glass today 10 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.359 producing this radio program to tach until six o'clock tonight 11 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:29.640 in time for Monday Night Football. It should be a 12 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:32.280 good one tonight, as the weekend in Pro football is 13 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:35.479 behind us with some really good games and some games 14 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.840 that were just so so, but it will culminate tonight. 15 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:40.479 The Wildcard weekend will wrap up with the Vikings and 16 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:44.520 the Rams from Glendale, Arizona. This game was supposed to 17 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:46.920 be played at SOFI, but it was moved as a 18 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:49.640 result of the fires in the greater Los Angeles area. 19 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:51.880 Of course, continuing to send. 20 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:53.600 Good wishes and thoughts and all the good things to 21 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.640 the folks in LA and the greater area that have 22 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:59.119 been affected by just a horrible couple of weeks, but 23 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.759 NFL moved to Glendale tonight at State Farm Stadium, don't 24 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:04.079 call it. 25 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:04.879 State Farm Arena. 26 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:07.840 Minnesota is a two point five point favorite that over 27 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.719 under his forty seven point five. Local boy Pooka and 28 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:15.040 Nikua will be in action tonight. A lot of local 29 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:17.560 guys making players making plays over the weekend. How about 30 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:21.239 Bobby Wagner, Dude does not age and a really really 31 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:25.239 fun story the surfacing for the Washington Commanders as Jaden 32 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:28.200 Daniels and as a rookie quarterback was able to go 33 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:30.640 down to Tampa take care of Baker Mayfield and the 34 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:31.840 Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 35 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:35.079 I don't know that I've ever heard a more. 36 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:38.519 Negative news cycle surrounding a team that won their playoff 37 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:42.079 game rather comfortably as I've heard about. 38 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:43.840 The Philadelphia Eagles over the past. 39 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:47.359 You know, sixteen seventeen hours or so, the Packers were 40 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:49.159 without like five offensive players. 41 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:52.799 Jordan Love, Utah Staate Alum was playing. 42 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:54.879 Without Christian Watson, lost a couple of other receivers to 43 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.920 offensive linemen, and I suppose if you're an Eagles fan, 44 00:01:57.959 --> 00:01:59.400 you want something more convincing. 45 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.079 But they were never in danger of losing that game. 46 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:06.359 After a slow start, the Bills undressed the Broncos at home. 47 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.520 Ravens handled the Steelers on Saturday, and then. 48 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.439 The Texans really took it to the Chargers. 49 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:16.039 So we'll look back on the wild card weekend. 50 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:17.479 We'll give you a bit of a divisional. 51 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:20.439 Round preview ToxS of NFL football on the show Today. 52 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:23.280 I want to give a big hug and congratulations to 53 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:27.080 Mike McCarthy who will escape Jerry's world and will not 54 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:28.800 return as the Cowboys head coach. 55 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:29.599 In twenty twenty five. 56 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.919 Since you and I last spoke, the New England Patriots 57 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:35.639 have hired Mike Vrabel to try to bring them back 58 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:39.319 to respectability, and we have the CFP final matchup between 59 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:41.400 Ohio State and No. 60 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:43.919 Tr Dame, so a lot to do on the show. 61 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:48.000 The Utah Jazz continue to, at least from my standpoint, 62 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:52.599 provide a little bit more excitement for the direction of 63 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:56.120 the organization, and games recently have been either competitive or 64 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.919 the Jazz have won. They sat like half their team 65 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:01.960 against a bad Brooklyn Nets team. Brooklyn's kind of doing 66 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:03.759 what Utah is doing, and the Jazz we're able to 67 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:07.840 get that win. And Isaiah Collier, after a horrific mistake 68 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:11.919 in regulation, called for an eight second violation hits the 69 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:15.360 game winn and overtime, and the Jazz beat the Brooklyn Nets. 70 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:18.879 And that is their third home win of the season. 71 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:20.280 Am I reading that right? Oh? 72 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.280 I know they had lost ninth straight games at home. Sorry, 73 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:25.800 don't mean to be pessimistic. I'm gonna be nice about 74 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:27.400 the Jazz. They got a night off tonight and tomorrow 75 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:29.439 they're back in action on Wednesday against the Hornets. 76 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:30.639 So we'll do some. 77 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:32.479 NBA A, We'll to do some jazz on the show. 78 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:35.479 Can we get I don't know. 79 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.759 If it's a standing, oh, but can we get a 80 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:39.680 little Can we clap it out for the Utah men's 81 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:41.680 basketball team? Can we give the Utes a little love 82 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:45.039 today on a Monday afternoon for grabbing a Big twelve 83 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:48.759 win over Oklahoma State here in Salt Lake at the Huntsman. 84 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.560 Center BYU woof. 85 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:53.400 I mean we knew Utah was going to struggle BYU 86 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:58.280 audacious expectations according to some, and they are just off 87 00:03:58.280 --> 00:03:59.120 to a bad start. 88 00:03:59.280 --> 00:03:59.759 Watch the game. 89 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:03.000 Over the weekend, they were on the road at TCU 90 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:07.479 BYU one and three in Big twelve play ten and five. Overall, 91 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:10.159 this conference is nuts. It's really high quality college college 92 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:14.240 basketball if you're into such things, so local landscape college basketball, 93 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.759 not a lot of local college football stuff. By you 94 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:18.759 picked up a good recruit over the weekend at the 95 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:21.240 Senior Bowl. I was actually watching that game live and 96 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:24.480 didn't realize I was about to stumble upon a news story. 97 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.920 We'll tell you who that is, Counto Tonavas's book to Cassel, 98 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:30.560 shedding some more light on his decision to leave Utah 99 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:32.600 for BYU. But I think it's probably time to let 100 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:35.079 that story die. I don't know how much meat is 101 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:38.120 left on that bone. But good guest list on a Monday, 102 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:39.639 it did feel like there was a little bit of 103 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:43.000 a running back kind of retribution story over the weekend. 104 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:46.920 Saquon Barkley, Derek Henry, James Cook, and we have an 105 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:49.680 NFL running back on our show today. His name is 106 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:52.079 Zach Moss. He's one of the best football players to 107 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:53.920 ever play in the state of Utah and one of the 108 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:55.920 best youths of all times. Zac STAPs about today to 109 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:59.720 talk a little NFL from college. Stevenson Sylvester continues to 110 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:01.839 con station, You're gonna talk a lot. 111 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:02.720 Of NFL with slat today. 112 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:05.240 Get us thoughts on the Wildcard round, what's head in 113 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:09.120 the division A round? Bobby Marks, espn NBA front office 114 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:11.560 guy will stop by and then we're gonna chat with 115 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:15.800 Brian Dunseeth. We were hoping to get an RSL front 116 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:19.600 office member and we will sooner rather than later, because 117 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:25.560 someone's got some explaining to do as RSL has Jettensen 118 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:29.519 excuse me off. Most of it's attacking eleven and eighteen 119 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.639 quite frankly, and a lot of holes to plug for 120 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.480 this soccer club. So we'll see what Donny has to 121 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:36.480 say as rare al saw Lake, San Chico, Rango to 122 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:39.240 San Jose for really pennies on the dollar, a lot 123 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.360 of college football, a lot of NFL football, Little NBA 124 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:44.199 gonna gets you ready for a wild card give you 125 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:46.800 all the up to date news with the NFL coaching 126 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:50.240 carousel and good guest list with Zach Moss, Stevens and Sylvester, 127 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:54.120 Bobby Marks and Brian dun Seth, Me Spence checkets, Happy Monday. 128 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:55.319 I hope you had a great weekend off to a 129 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:57.240 great start to that work week. And that guy Porter 130 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.800 Larson who is a Cowboys fan and met today's news 131 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:02.199 that Mike McCarthy is out. 132 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:06.079 With the emotion that is blank obvious. 133 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:07.399 Duh. 134 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:10.240 I don't know exactly what this done emotion. I don't know, 135 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:11.800 it could be I'm not judging. 136 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:15.360 And I don't really know where to fall with the emotions, 137 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.040 because this is something I've been asking for since before 138 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.040 last off season. And if you remember last off season, oh, 139 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.000 I don't know, there was a coaching market that involved 140 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:28.399 Jim Harbaugh, Bill Belichick, Mike Rabel, blah blah blah, blah blah. 141 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:29.879 You go on and on about the coaches that were 142 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:33.199 available last off season, and it was obvious then as 143 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.079 obvious as it is today that Mike McCarthy thing wasn't 144 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:39.199 going to work. And so the Cowboys are now where 145 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:43.199 we were when Jason Garrett got let go of Nothing 146 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.920 about what they've done in Jerry's world in the last 147 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:48.720 decade inspires any confidence in me in the next step. 148 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:50.600 But I'm hopefully optimistic. 149 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:52.480 I'll just say that, all right, all right, I'd love 150 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:52.879 to hear it. 151 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:53.199 All right. 152 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.560 Resident Cowboy fan Porter Larson on the program today, Jordan 153 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:58.399 loved to be the Cowboys in the playoffs last year. 154 00:06:58.480 --> 00:06:59.800 Could not get that done this season. 155 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.480 We'll do some NFL and Zach Mawson is going to 156 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:03.600 join us right out of. 157 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:05.759 The gates today before we get to Zach. 158 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.319 On this Monday afternoon, courtesy of our friends at Standard 159 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.040 Restaurant Supply, it's your tailgate headquarters. 160 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:11.720 Get everything you need to make your tailgate epic. 161 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.120 Stop by their location with thirty five hundred Southwest Temple 162 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.199 or online at Standard restaurant dot com. 163 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:19.560 It's time now for the opening Tip. 164 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:22.759 Welcome to the Drive with Spence Check. It's on Utah's 165 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:26.480 number one sports talk. Now into the studio of ESPN 166 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.399 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 167 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.399 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 168 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.800 Standard Restaurant Supply, your one stop shop to build the 169 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:39.519 best tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant Supply, thirty five hundred 170 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:40.519 Southwest Temple. 171 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:44.120 I'm not making this a topic for the opening tip today. 172 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:47.240 I'm just kind of observing that we've all lost our 173 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:51.759 minds in this society as of today. Kids, you can 174 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:56.319 go lay money down on the twenty twenty six college 175 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:01.199 national champion. That's right, we have odds Texas is your 176 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:05.120 favorite that it's Georgia and Ohio State, both BYU and 177 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:08.600 Utah right now are plus ten thousand to win the 178 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:10.759 national championship next year. That puts him in the same 179 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:16.160 stratosphere as North Carolina, Colorado. Let's see Illinois, Iowa State, 180 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.120 Boise State, and that's the area that odds makers are 181 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.279 telling you BYU and Utah exist. And it is so 182 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.279 wild that in January of twenty four we're able to 183 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.800 put odds down money down on the odds for the 184 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.279 national champion twenty six. But we're not going to spend 185 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:32.840 any time on that today outside of. 186 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:34.559 What we already have because it's irrelevant. 187 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:37.440 All right, wildcar Weekend in the NFL, We'll wrap up 188 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:40.440 tonight with a Monday night football game in Glendale, Arizona. 189 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:44.120 It's been moved from Los Angeles. It's Minnesota and it's 190 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:46.360 the La Rams. I think this is going to be 191 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.600 a really good game. I don't think Minnesota is the 192 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:50.960 right side here, but they are a two point five 193 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.159 point favorite and the spread is forty excuse me, the 194 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:57.240 over under is forty seven point five. The line did 195 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:59.759 move the way of the Vikings when it was taken 196 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:02.759 away way from the Rams as a home game. Obviously, 197 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:06.840 local angle Pokinakua has had an incredible sophomore season after 198 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:10.000 his historic rookie year, he battled some injuries but little 199 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:13.000 local flavor on the field tonight, a lot of local 200 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.799 flavor over the weekend in pro football, and you know, 201 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:18.960 I wanted to hone in a little bit on what 202 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.039 I perceived to be a really odd reaction to the 203 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:24.919 win that the Eagles had over the Packers. Now, I 204 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:27.360 like Jalen, I think I like him more than most, 205 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:31.320 but I understand at times you're watching an offense that 206 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:35.720 has two like super elite wideouts and DeVante Smith and 207 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:38.919 aj Brown and a top shelf tight end. Now that 208 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.720 Dallas Goddard is now healthy, that touchdown catch he had 209 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:45.399 was incredible. And the Packers started the game without Christian Watson, 210 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.440 then they lost Jayden Reid, and they even lost Josh Jacobs, 211 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:51.639 who had an insanely effective game, so they were down 212 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.639 like six offensive starters, and of course I'd cheer for 213 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:57.480 our local guys. Brittain Covey unfortunately is on the injured 214 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:00.320 reserve as an Eagle, and Jordan Love played his college 215 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.320 ball at Utah State, so hoping to see Jordan have 216 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.759 a better game, and he struggled, but he didn't have 217 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:06.440 time to throw it, and he didn't have three of 218 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:09.240 his top five offensive weapons, maybe four of his top six. 219 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:12.679 So I get why you watch the Eagles and maybe 220 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:16.320 want more from Jalen, Like you win the turnover battle 221 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:19.360 by four, and you're up sixteen ten in the fourth 222 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:21.200 and you only throw for one hundred and thirty one yards. 223 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:23.480 Saquon went for one hundred and nineteen twenty five carries 224 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:24.639 one hundred nineteen yards. 225 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:26.679 Could have been like one hundred. 226 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.720 And seventy with a touchdown, but he decided to just 227 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:30.960 kind of hit the turf after he broke that last 228 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:34.159 run in the in the fourth quarter where pay dirt 229 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:36.600 was there, but he just decided to fall down and 230 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:38.559 win the game. And I get it from a team standpoint, 231 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:40.840 smart thing to do. Your boy may have been playing 232 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:43.960 a DraftKings lineup with Saquon as the captain, wouldn't have minded. 233 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:48.440 Sequan decided to go get that six. Nonetheless, but ultimately, 234 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:51.720 Philly to me, look, they're not Kansas City, and I'm 235 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:53.679 starting to feel like this is Josh Allen's year. 236 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:54.320 You know. 237 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.159 The Bills Broncos game started out as pretty tenuous back 238 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:00.440 and forth. The Broncos have a really, really good defense. 239 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.480 Sean Payton's a really, really good coach, but like all 240 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:07.200 year long, Josh Allen to me, has proven to be inevitable, 241 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.440 and they figured it out. Dalton Kinkaid had three catches, 242 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:12.360 he had that big time catch in the second half, 243 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:14.600 and that game was it was not a fair fight, 244 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:17.679 even though the start ultimately was back and forth, and 245 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:19.240 if you're a Bills fan, you were probably a little 246 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:19.759 bit nervous. 247 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.240 But Josh Allen, it feels like, and I said this about. 248 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:25.639 Aaron Rodgers for a long long time, and even though 249 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:29.200 our guy is busy taking ayahuasca and talking to caterpillars 250 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.039 as they turned into butterflies, there was a moment in 251 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:33.799 time where I'm like, I've never seen anybody play the 252 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.440 quarterback position like Aaron Rodgers plays a quarterback position, and 253 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.000 he's too talented to not win a Super Bowl. And 254 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:43.000 then he got his, and I still felt like, you know, 255 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.600 and certainly the history of pro football. Scott Mitchell himself, 256 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.639 who backed up Dan Marino, said Dan Marino is the 257 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:51.879 best thrower of a football he's ever seen before. Dan 258 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:55.399 never won one, but when you know, you see Eli 259 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:57.320 Manning get a couple, you see Peyton, get a couple 260 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.159 of Brady of course, with a grip of them with 261 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:01.960 seven going to I always felt like Aaron was too 262 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:05.360 talented to really only win one quite frankly, and he's 263 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.519 not going to get another one, like obviously that ship 264 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:08.000 has sailed. 265 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:10.120 But that's how I feel about Josh. 266 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:13.000 And just like you know the greatest teams that I 267 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:14.840 cheered for in New York with the Knicks and here 268 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:18.639 in Salt Lake with the Jazz, those two Jazz, you know, 269 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:20.200 those two teams in the nineties, The Knicks and the 270 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:23.840 Jazz had one thing in common about what stood in 271 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:26.559 their way to get rings. Had nothing to do with 272 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:28.519 their talent. It had nothing to do with their coaching, 273 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.159 had nothing to do with anything that they did. They 274 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:36.320 simply had the misfortune of playing their best basketball at 275 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:40.799 a time where this dude happened to play in Chicago 276 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:43.200 and wear twenty three on his back and just nobody 277 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.159 could beat Mike Cup and Spring. You just couldn't do 278 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.039 it when he was at his peak. And that's when 279 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:49.960 the Knicks and the Jazz and the nineties had their 280 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:54.240 best teams and ultimately Josh's krypton. I could be fifteen 281 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.960 for Kansas City. Simply put, Kansas City, though, feels a 282 00:12:56.960 --> 00:12:59.639 little bit more vulnerable than they have in years past. 283 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:01.519 By the way, I still think they're gonna win it. 284 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:03.279 That's just the confidence I have. And Andy Reid and 285 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.679 Patrick Mahomes. But Josh Allen, to me, this year feels 286 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:10.200 like it might be his time. And I'm also cheering 287 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:13.200 a little bit for Lamar Lamar Jackson, the Baltimore Ravens, 288 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:15.639 who had a good, not dominant win over a Steelers 289 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.360 team that I don't know, felt a little bit unserious 290 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:21.120 after that great start. But I've been a little bit 291 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.759 surprised at how many people who I respect and cover 292 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:25.759 the game and know the game of football are really 293 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:28.240 down on the Eagles despite a pretty. 294 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.840 Dominant win in the Wildcard round against the Packers. 295 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:35.080 Wild Card weekend in Pro football ends tonight with a 296 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:40.600 Monday Night Slates in Glendale, Arizona State Farm Stadium, Vikings Rams, 297 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:44.360 Minnesota two point five point favorite. Let's talks more football 298 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.720 today right now with one of our favorites, one of 299 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.159 the best ever. Due's at the University of Utah now 300 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:51.600 with the Cincinnati Bengals. You guys know you love him. 301 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:55.080 Zach Moss on a Monday afternoon. Zach, Happy Monday man. 302 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:55.600 How are we doing? 303 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:58.879 Happy money man, I'm going to I've been good. I 304 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:00.000 appreciate the time as always. 305 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:03.759 So how much how much of the playoffs did you 306 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:06.799 consume this weekend? I know obviously you guys unfortunately were 307 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:09.639 eliminated after a great end of the season. Is it 308 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:11.679 hard to watch or you're just kind of a football 309 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:12.679 guy and you want to tune in? 310 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:16.679 You know, it's always hard to watch obviously, you know 311 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:21.320 from a competitive standpoint. You know, I've made personally good 312 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:24.759 playoffs the last three seasons, I want to say now, 313 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:27.440 so you know, competitively, you always want to be in 314 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:30.039 that and you know it rises your gameplay and all 315 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:32.720 that type of stuff. But definitely just been you know, 316 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:36.120 enjoying the time off, you know, off season, and just 317 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:39.039 watching the games and watching guys that I know around 318 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:43.360 the league, you know, chase after that championship, it's. 319 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:44.480 Actually where I wanted to go next. 320 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:46.879 Is there a rooting interest do you cheer for your 321 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.879 fellow AFC North teams? Are you looking at former teammates, 322 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:51.720 former uts? Is there one team you want to see 323 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:52.480 get this done? 324 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:57.559 I don't have one specific team. I think just you know, 325 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:00.399 I just want to, you know, see really good football. 326 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:03.000 You don't want to see blowouts and you know, you know, 327 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.480 games where it's a lot of turnovers and it favors 328 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:07.480 one side or the other. I think, you know, just 329 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:10.399 one of those heavyweight, you know battles. Looking forward to 330 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:14.039 the Buffalo Baltimore game, I think it'll be one of 331 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:18.080 those games. I'm you know, mentioning right now. So I'd 332 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.360 just like to sit back watch them and you know, 333 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:21.600 hopefully we get a good game. 334 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:25.000 I probably bury the lead man, give us a health 335 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:25.399 up date. 336 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:27.879 How you doing, what's the rehab process like, and what 337 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:30.200 are some of your next steps? 338 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.320 Doing good man, feeling good? Uh, you know, blessed in 339 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:37.279 that aspect, you know. I'm just you know, home, been 340 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:39.679 home for a few months now, you know, with the 341 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:42.000 family and things like that, so you know, being able to, 342 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:45.120 you know, even in a in a bitter way as 343 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:47.960 in not being able to go out and perform on Sundays, 344 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.679 but not being able to be home and performing that way. 345 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.440 So uh, you know, it's always a positive somewhere. So 346 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.320 I'm just enjoying the positives that I do have currently. 347 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.600 But I'm feeling good, rehabbing is going with and things 348 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.080 like that, and you know, Brady to get back up 349 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:03.759 there next season. 350 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:05.879 Good to hear you play for a team, Zach. 351 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.960 That was a topic of conversation for a lot of 352 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:13.440 people that cover pro football, and of course you were 353 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:16.080 a conversation for us here on the show because we 354 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:19.279 track your progress and cheer for you. And you know, 355 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.320 I'm not one that's like Joe Burrow's number one or 356 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:25.039 number three or number I don't know where he is 357 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:28.200 in the pantheonic quarterbacks in this league. But Zach, he's 358 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:30.240 as good. He's as good sometimes I feel like he's 359 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.759 as good as anyone, if not better. And you guys 360 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.799 on offense are electric, dynamic, and we're among the best 361 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:41.200 offenses in the entire AFC. So I feel like there 362 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:46.720 is a foundation set in Cincinnati. If you just tweak 363 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:48.480 a couple of things, you're going to be right there. 364 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:50.720 What's kind of the mindset in that locker room? 365 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:55.080 Yeah, Mom, you know, you know, obviously I can speak, 366 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:58.559 you know, mainly only for offensive Why you know, we 367 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:01.639 have just so many guys on off the side of 368 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:04.839 the ball that can do a lot of different things, 369 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:08.039 which is going to cause problems for teams just you know, 370 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.480 at the end of the day, you know, luckily I've 371 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:14.640 been able to play two really really good quarterbacks in 372 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:16.759 their primes, at the top of their games and things 373 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:21.000 like that in Borough now and the first few years 374 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.720 out in the league with uh with Josh, So I've 375 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:25.920 been able to see two guys, you know, and how 376 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:28.799 they go about the game and just the cerebral part 377 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.720 of it and things like that. And you know, we 378 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:34.200 we got a really good team, Like you said, we 379 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:37.200 got pieces just like every other team, so we got 380 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.599 to fill in to get a little better and things 381 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:41.319 of that nature. And you know, we play in a 382 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:46.440 very very difficult division where it's you know, usually going 383 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:49.039 to be probably three team race to get into the 384 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:53.640 playoffs out of one division. So you know, we'll be back, 385 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.240 and you know, we know what we need to do 386 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:58.400 now and what it looks like and what it needs 387 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:01.680 to look like. So excited for that part of things, 388 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.279 and it'll be a new challenge. 389 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:06.400 So you were the third best offense in the AFC 390 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:10.160 this year, but defensively, the team that gave out the 391 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.160 same amount of points that you did was the Raiders, 392 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:14.839 who won four games all year and I don't I'm 393 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.519 not asking you to, nor would you ever throw a 394 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:19.880 team mate under the bus. But does it get challenging 395 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:21.480 when you feel like you're playing on the side of 396 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:23.359 the ball that's carrying their weight and you're kind of 397 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:25.799 looking around going like, dude, what gives Like we're doing 398 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:26.680 everything we can here? 399 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.759 Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously it gets to some 400 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:33.319 degree challenging. I mean you kind of have to look 401 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:35.440 at it in the lens of you know, when you're 402 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:39.680 doing a school project, right who's who's doing you know, 403 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:42.079 part of the project, and then you know the ones 404 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:44.359 that are in but they want to credit and things 405 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:46.839 of that nature. But like I said, you know, we 406 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:48.880 got a lot of guys had to step up, you know, 407 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:52.039 young guys, just both sides of the ball. Honestly, at 408 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:54.039 end of the day, you know, we can't go out 409 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:57.079 there and win the game without defense and vice versa. 410 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.519 And you can interject special team into that as well. 411 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:04.519 It's a you know, got to have all of the 412 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:07.400 guys on both sides of the balls, uh, you know, 413 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:09.599 clicking at the right time and doing the right things 414 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.839 over and over and that's how you are able to 415 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:16.039 be successful in this league, and like I said, with 416 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:19.559 our division being so tough, it's going to be usually 417 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:23.400 a three team race out of one vision and it's 418 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:27.799 only so many spots. Uh, you can't have a lot 419 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:29.359 of the things that happen to us where you know, 420 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:32.839 sometimes it's player things, sometimes it's you know, the ball 421 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.079 just didn't roll all the way, we didn't get that bounce, 422 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:38.440 and things of that nature. So you know, at the 423 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:39.799 end of the day is you know it was last year. 424 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:42.640 Now we can learn from those things and you know, 425 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:46.640 move forward and hopefully we don't repeat those things. 426 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.519 So I'm kind of gonna ask you a similar question 427 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:52.039 about one of your teammates that I asked you about Burrow, 428 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:54.720 but I'm going to be a little bit more demonstrative 429 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:56.599 in my opinion, because I think a lot of people 430 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:58.880 feel like Justin Jefferson is the best wide receiver in 431 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:02.319 pro football, And for me, it's like every time I 432 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:04.839 it just it feels like he is an impossible cover. 433 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:08.480 He can do anything from that position. And you've played 434 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:10.599 in the league and in college with a lot of 435 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.880 really talented, skilled position players. But what makes Jamar Chase 436 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.559 who he is? What stands out most about the way 437 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:20.079 he prepares and what's it like to watch him do 438 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:20.720 what he does. 439 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:22.200 We can weak out. Like I said, I think he's 440 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:23.240 the best in the game right now. 441 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:29.039 Yeah, I mean, like again, I've been lucky to, you know, 442 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:31.279 like you said, play with a lot of really really 443 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:36.279 good players and across this league and obviously played with 444 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.440 Stefan Diggs and things of that nature and got to 445 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:39.079 see him. 446 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:41.839 You know, work and things like that. Jamar is just 447 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:45.440 you know, very very different in the sense of one. 448 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.880 You know, his athletic ability separates him from so many guys. 449 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:53.400 Just buy that alone. It's really not fair on what 450 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:56.200 he's able to do. He has the speed of the receiver, 451 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:58.359 but he's you know, in a sense built like a 452 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:01.000 running back and being able to be able to you know, 453 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:07.079 be contacted and fight through contact and break tackles. He's 454 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:08.359 really just a three level receiver. 455 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:08.720 You know. 456 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:11.000 You have some guys who can't catch lens and go 457 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:13.640 everywhere and go all the way, right, you have some 458 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:17.000 guys that can only do so many different levels. He 459 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:21.039 can impact the game as a threat from every single level, 460 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:24.119 which makes it almost impossible for a defense to have 461 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:27.119 to prepare and guard that when you can you can 462 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:29.880 throw a guy at pass, you know, two yards behind 463 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:31.400 the line of sperimen, so you can throw a guy 464 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:33.559 ten yard route where you can throw them a deep 465 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:36.799 ball and it can all result in six at any 466 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:41.000 point in time. So you know, to me, he's definitely 467 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:43.640 the best. I think he went out there and improved 468 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:47.160 that this season, you know, posting the triple ground and 469 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.279 you know that was really cool just being able to know, 470 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:53.240 you playing with someone on that level and you know, 471 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:57.160 people forget he missed all the training gap yah, going 472 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:00.599 out there doing that at the same time. So you know, 473 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:04.480 once you know contract is all situated, and you know, 474 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.960 you get into training camp and he gets really really 475 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:10.519 into shape and things of that nature. Man, I think 476 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:13.960 if you haven't really seen all you can do, which 477 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.359 is crazy to think because he's only I think one 478 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:18.400 of four one or five players and so has to 479 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:19.519 do a triple ground. 480 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:21.799 Yeah, it's wild and so fun to watch. 481 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.079 I got to ask one of your former one of 482 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:27.200 your former teams, looks like they've got a shot to 483 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:29.440 win this thing. And obviously you spend the first part 484 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:31.880 of your career with the Buffalo Bills. 485 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.279 As a results of the time you spent there. 486 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:37.160 Is it more like you want to see them win 487 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:38.880 it or is it more like, man, that would be 488 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:41.519 tough because that's my former team. 489 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:43.839 I think you definitely want to see him win it. 490 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:48.039 I think, you know, that's a really good team. We 491 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:49.759 have really good teams when we were there. We just 492 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:54.680 fell short with suffs, but you know, over time, you 493 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:57.799 know they've gotten better and things of that nature, and 494 00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:01.319 you know, definitely would love to see those guys win 495 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:03.480 because you know, obviously I played with a lot of 496 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.000 those guys that's still on that team and have good 497 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:08.480 relationship with those guys, and you know, they work really 498 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:12.119 hard to be in this position, so it's gonna be 499 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.599 nice to see them win. I think I probably know 500 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:16.960 a guy on each team that's in the playoffs certainly 501 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:19.799 right now. So you know, like I said, really just 502 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:24.240 looking forward to really good ball. You know, those game 503 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:27.440 winning field goals and game winning drives and kind of 504 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.359 keeps feeling the edge or your seats. Allows me to 505 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:32.480 be a fan and some guys always happened to be 506 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:35.960 in those moments when you go through a eighteen week season. 507 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:39.000 Now for sure, all right, let's do a little utes, 508 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.160 Zach before I say you lose today, And let me 509 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:44.720 start with your reaction to coach hit coming back. You're 510 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.960 twenty one, nobody really knew what exactly was going to happen. 511 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:50.559 And then after a really rough year, one of the 512 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:52.480 worst years we've had here in a long time, as 513 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:55.200 you know, Kyle took some time and decided that he's 514 00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.359 back on the sideline. What's what's your reaction to your 515 00:23:57.400 --> 00:23:58.960 former head coach is going to give it another go. 516 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:02.799 Yeah, I think that was the you know, the really 517 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:06.640 really good smart move. Really honestly feel like that was 518 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.039 the only move that made sense with him to come back. 519 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:15.200 Couldn't see him leaving out right on a year like that, 520 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.119 being in the first year in the new division, a 521 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.920 new conference, and things like that. So I think the 522 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:23.960 best thing was for him to come back and you know, 523 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:26.319 put this team in a situation where they can win. 524 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:29.880 You know, one, let's you know, stay healthy. That's the 525 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.519 biggest thing. A lot of injuries really derailed this team 526 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:36.839 from being able to be competitive like many people thought 527 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:41.720 they would. So just the fact that guys can stay 528 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.240 healthy and now they kind of know the layout and 529 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:47.640 what they're going up against all the way the way, 530 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:49.480 they can't go out now and recruit and things of 531 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:52.200 that nature to build this up. And I think mainly 532 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:55.000 he really wants to leave this thing, you know, well 533 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.319 oiled up for coach Galley when it's his turn too, 534 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:02.720 you know, take over range. So looking forward to that, 535 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:06.480 looking forward to the season. You know, those guys are 536 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:11.599 really good and the coaches are great. They've been for years, 537 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:14.480 as long as guys can stay healthy. Man, you really 538 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:15.279 can't move about. 539 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:17.599 So I wanted to get your take. 540 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:20.319 And you know, we've got a lot of former college 541 00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:22.200 athletes on the show. We have a lot of former 542 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:24.759 college football players, a lot of college basketball players. And 543 00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:27.880 always kind of feel bad asking this question because if 544 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:31.119 I was you, Zach, and you know, knowing that you 545 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.920 were a charismatic personality, you were really good with the media, 546 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:37.079 and the public really loved you, and you were an 547 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.200 awesome player, I would look at the fact that college 548 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:42.839 running backs who are getting five hundred, six hundred thousand 549 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:45.200 dollars a year as something that kind of stings a 550 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.039 little bit. Now, I know that you can't live in 551 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:50.000 that space because obviously you move on. You're one of 552 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:51.960 the guys that was good enough to cut a paycheck 553 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.319 and several paychecks. 554 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:54.839 Playing for pro football. 555 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.680 But now that you've been away from the college game 556 00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:01.640 and you've been more an observer of players being able 557 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.039 to transfer all the time and actually get a little 558 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.319 cash for their skill set, how do you how would 559 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.440 you articulate your opinion on where we're at with the 560 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:09.839 current state of college football? 561 00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:11.319 Are you concerned about its future? 562 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:13.519 Uh? 563 00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:16.960 To some degree, I think you have to be concerned with, 564 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:21.839 you know, the future of you know, how competitive this 565 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:26.200 thing can be. And obviously, you know college football being 566 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:29.319 what it is and what has always been, you know, 567 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.480 the money that pours into the universities all across. I 568 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:35.839 think it's going to be very challenging and it's going 569 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.480 to rule a lot a lot of different teams and 570 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.720 a lot of different schools on you know, who can 571 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.720 compete and you know, who has the biggest pay you know, 572 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.079 highest payrolls and things of that nature. And that's what 573 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:47.640 guys are really kind of going to go to. 574 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:50.759 And a lot of these blue blue college schools, you know, 575 00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:55.480 schools that you know, honestly probably put out better you know, 576 00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:58.440 talent in the NFL that kind of lasts longer than 577 00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:00.799 some of these you know, bigger name schools that kind 578 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:02.440 of was going to wash them out a little bit 579 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:05.079 to some degree in what they're able to and how 580 00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:07.640 they're able to compete. 581 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.039 And I think that's that's that part of it. From 582 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:14.440 the competitive standpoint, it's going to suck. I wish, you know, uh, 583 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:18.480 that they would have had it some type of understanding 584 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.599 of what they wanted to do in the sense of 585 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:24.599 NT double and how these payrolls are going to go 586 00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.759 out and how these things are going to look. And 587 00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:29.039 you know, right now it's sounded like just the wild 588 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.559 wild West. Things are just happening, and things are just 589 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:34.200 doing and guys just you know, jumping from school to 590 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:39.519 school left and right. And obviously as an ex college player, 591 00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:43.680 you know you want to see guys, you know, get 592 00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:47.039 what they deserve from, you know, reaping the benefits of 593 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.079 their name and the work they do on the field 594 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.720 weekend and week out. But then also you want to 595 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.480 see some type of loyalty from the standpoint of you know, 596 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.960 it being just a more so of a level play 597 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:04.319 in field when you go into financials. So I think, 598 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:06.000 you know, if they would have had a better understanding 599 00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:07.640 what they want to do with how they were going 600 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.119 to do it, versus just kind of opening up the floodgate. 601 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.240 We kind of wouldn't be in this realm of man. 602 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.359 We just things just kind of happening. 603 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:20.559 Yeah, And you know, unfortunately, what you see more often 604 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.839 than not, Zach, as you know is the NCAA reacting 605 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:26.599 instead of getting in front of it. And now we're 606 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.400 in the scenario where as you referenced, there's so much chaos. 607 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:32.359 Now they're going to try to put some guardrails in 608 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:35.279 coming up this summer is one of the twenty million. 609 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:36.640 I'll just call it a salary cap. 610 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.839 I've just Zach, I've started talking college football with the 611 00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.119 same terminology as the pros because that's kind of where 612 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:44.839 we're headed. So the school's going to have a salary cap. 613 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.200 You know, you'll be able to pay players like their employees. 614 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:50.279 At some point, You'll still be able to have the name, 615 00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.880 image and likeness benefits outside of the paycheck that you 616 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.680 actually get. But I wonder from your vantage point, how 617 00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:59.559 you feel like our market is set up to support 618 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.559 the University of Utah football program. Because the fact of 619 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:06.319 the matter is every college coach, when given the opportunity 620 00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:10.119 to address the public, there are. They are planing for donations, 621 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.400 they're pleaning for businesses to step up and help. 622 00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:14.880 And you played here, you lived here. 623 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:16.599 How do you feel like we're equipped here in saul 624 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:18.799 A to keep up with the new normal of college football. 625 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.839 I mean it's gonna be challenging obviously. Like I said, 626 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.519 you know, one has to be a place where guys 627 00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.640 really want to come and they can see themselves right 628 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:35.160 from any from just delving standpoint. And I think, you know, 629 00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.079 to some degree, BYU has done a really good job 630 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.039 on how they are kind of doing it to some degree, 631 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:44.359 and I think that's something that we can take a 632 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.000 look at and you know, pull from what we like 633 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:48.880 out of what they're doing and what they're not doing, 634 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:52.200 and kind of go from there. And you know, you 635 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.039 have a lot of these coaches that just aren't used 636 00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:57.319 to having to deal with, you know, eighteen ninety old 637 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:01.240 kids making all the type of money, because that's the impact, 638 00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.519 you know, what practices look like, what you know, film 639 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.200 study looks like, and just the amount of time and 640 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.480 you know, trying to keep these kids out of palm's 641 00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.000 way at all times as well, you know, all that 642 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:16.279 stuff that people don't really think about does impact it. 643 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:20.400 And a lot of these coaches are old school and 644 00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:22.920 these are new times and it's gonna take a few years, right, 645 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:24.880 it doesn't matter if you have a ton of be 646 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:29.079 backing and all that type of stuff. It's gonna all 647 00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.079 be in home and how they are able to you know, 648 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.440 handle that, and what type of players they recruit, because now, 649 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.519 more so than anything, maybe you have to think about 650 00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:42.799 the the character of the guys you're bringing into your 651 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.279 locker room and the people you're bringing into the community 652 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:47.279 and things of that nature. And it's kind of hard 653 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:50.279 to really grasp that. And you're bringing talking about eighteen 654 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.559 ninety year old kids coming in and things of that nature. 655 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.559 So I think it's gonna be challenging. Again, That's why 656 00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.920 I said, I think coach Wab definitely, you know, wanted 657 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.920 to make sure he leaves this thing on a really 658 00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.359 good note for coach Scalley to where the transition right 659 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.079 isn't super hard and they can compete for years to come. 660 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.119 It's not like you have to start from you know, 661 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:17.160 from scratch, and which really just pushed you behind eight ball. 662 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.920 And you're talking about being in a new conference with 663 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:23.240 a lot of different schools that guys do really want 664 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.079 to go to and they have a lot of funding 665 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:26.039 and things of that nature. 666 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.759 Do you do NFL players and coaches and people on 667 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.559 your level do they does does it feel like college 668 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.160 football Zach is moving towards the way of pro football? 669 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.759 Is that kind of the redeeming thought among NFL players 670 00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:40.480 and coaches? 671 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.400 Yeah, I mean you're talking about guys in college. A 672 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:49.079 lot of these guys made more than uh some some 673 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:53.720 pro athletes, man, And you know that's something that also 674 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:57.000 seeks into locker rooms right now. We're talking about Japanese guys, 675 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.839 and you know how long they stay in school, and 676 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:03.519 it can hurt the NFL game to some degree, just 677 00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:07.160 because the hunger is in there to you know, most 678 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.039 guys when they get drafted, if you're not in the 679 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.839 first round. Technically even if you're in the first round, 680 00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:13.640 but usually if you're not the first round, you have 681 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.839 a different type of hunger to get to a second 682 00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:20.759 contract right to Now, that's where you're talking about, you know, 683 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.839 the financial freedom to some degree that you're setting up 684 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.759 for years to come. But you know, like I said, 685 00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:30.119 you got guys that maybe would be fifth or sixth 686 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:33.319 round draft picks. That would want a chance in the NFL, 687 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.440 would want that dream to play out. They're making five 688 00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.680 six million dollars in college football, so it's almost no 689 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:44.599 point right to even go and you know, waste your 690 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:48.119 time to some degree in the sport that's super super 691 00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:51.319 physical when you already kind of have you know what 692 00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:56.000 you made, you already kind of live in that dream. 693 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:57.799 Yeah, now, well said all right, Zach. 694 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.480 Last thing, then I'll set you loose, and I just 695 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:03.599 want to continue to apologize to you because I'm also 696 00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:06.799 going to ask you another question about what could have 697 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.160 been if timing was different. Because I have said before 698 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:13.400 and i'll say it again, the twenty nineteen Utah you 699 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:17.640 roster could potentially be the best roster pure talent wise, 700 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.599 we've ever seen here, and I still believe that to 701 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.279 be true. I've got the roster in front of me. 702 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:23.880 I could go down, but you know the deal, you 703 00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.240 were on that team if you were able to stay 704 00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:30.279 healthy and the CFP was expanded to twelve in twenty nineteen. 705 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:32.279 I don't know, man, I don't know that I really 706 00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:32.920 have a question. 707 00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:34.680 All I'm saying is I would have liked to see 708 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:36.519 you guys have that shot if that makes sense. 709 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.319 Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, out of all the 710 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.599 things we were able to accomplish and you know, push 711 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:46.559 the team for you know, that twenty sixteen class, that's 712 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:50.200 pretty much the twenty nineteen team talking about the way 713 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:51.640 we were able to come in and push the team 714 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.039 for if you know, I think the biggest thing now 715 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.799 al is suck is you know, losing that game to 716 00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:00.279 Orgon and then you know, thinking about maybe if we 717 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.160 get in and you know, being in the four team 718 00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:05.359 race there, it would have been nice if we had 719 00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.679 a twelve team system and you kind of just see 720 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:10.880 what the chief tis me falls were talking about team 721 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:12.639 I think we had one maybe eight or nine games 722 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.360 in a row at that time, and you're talking about 723 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.639 a lot of scheme and a lot of confidence and 724 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:22.159 things of that nature. But like it sucks, you know 725 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:23.840 when you kind of think about it, but you know, 726 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:26.880 it is what it is, and hopefully we can get 727 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:29.639 one of these these newer teams now that the use 728 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.079 are going to have and these guys can you know, 729 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.519 go out there and you know, put their name into 730 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.880 that into that hat and have a chance to go 731 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.639 out there and play for a national championship. 732 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.719 Well said man, hey, I appreciate the time. Okay, keep 733 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:44.920 up that rehab, get healthy. We want to see you 734 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.920 back on the field next year. Okay, thanks Zach, Yeah, sir, 735 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:49.559 I appreciate it all right. One of the best to 736 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.000 ever do it at the University of Utah, Zach Moss 737 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.480 now with the Cincinnati Bengals. 738 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:54.360 Porter. 739 00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.360 We've talked about that twenty nineteen team before, like and 740 00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.760 every time, you know, we have Zach on or brit 741 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.079 Or who whoever. I pull up that roster and it's like, stupid, 742 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.880 how much talent was on that team, and unfortunately there 743 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.920 were some injuries. I'll never forget that game at SC 744 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.840 they lost, you know, twenty three thirty and then stumbled 745 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.519 down the stretch. They played Texas in the Alamo Alamo Dome. 746 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:18.880 Of course, they had the opportunity in the Packtweld Championship 747 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.480 against Oregon. Some health issues, but simply from a talent standpoint, 748 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:25.920 you can make the argument it's the best roster that 749 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:26.679 Utah has ever had. 750 00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.639 I'm not kidding, well, I do make that argument now. 751 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:34.280 Obviously, other teams finished stronger, they had better finished this 752 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.760 to the year. Obviously, Stevenson's twenty eighteen will have an 753 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.719 argument as slide joins us next. But when it just 754 00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:45.400 comes to sheer talent number one, the game has changed, right. 755 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.719 The pool of players is better in twenty twenty, twenty 756 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.440 twenty nineteen, as you're talking about, than it was in 757 00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:54.800 two thousand and one than it was in nineteen ninety. 758 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:58.000 That's just the reality of the sport. But you look 759 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:03.679 at that team and yes, Tyler Huntley, Zack Moss, Jackson Barton, 760 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.840 all these offensive players that are still playing in the NFL. 761 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.039 But then you go to the defensive side of the football. 762 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:12.880 How many of those players made it to the league 763 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:17.639 at least for a cup of coffee. I'll if you 764 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:21.480 guessed all of them eleven players from the two twenty 765 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:25.119 nineteen Utah defense, not all of them starters, not all 766 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:29.199 of them upperclassmen that year, but every single one of 767 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.960 them at some point had a cup of coffee in 768 00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.079 the NFL a practice squad. They got paid an NFL paycheck. 769 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.800 That's something that I don't know has really ever happened 770 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.440 anywhere else. I can guarantee you it's never happened at 771 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.519 a Utah or another local school. And yeah, they didn't 772 00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:48.559 finish the way that folks would have liked them to. 773 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.239 But you've got a glimpse I think in October November 774 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:54.599 of how good that team could have been. I think 775 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.519 they won like five or six straight. All of them 776 00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.960 were forty plus points and holding their team to minimal 777 00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:07.320 Sometimes you don't, you don't fulfill exactly your entire potential. 778 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.199 They won eight straight games and the only team to 779 00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:15.239 throw more than thirteen was Washington up at Husky Stadium. 780 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.239 That was a great game. Utah won that game thirty 781 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.159 three to twenty eight. But yeah, to Porter's point one, 782 00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:23.000 eight games in a row. They started eleven and one 783 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:25.159 and then a couple of losses down the stretch, But 784 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:26.960 that was a talented, talented group. 785 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:28.719 Appreciate Zach time. 786 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.519 That's brought to you today by Advanced Window Products New 787 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.599 Year New Windows Special which is now twenty five hundred 788 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:36.719 dollars off when you purchase ten windows or more. It's 789 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.719 a local Utah company talking Nate Orchard, Jake Weber to 790 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.960 really good dudes, great families, local families that are here 791 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.880 to support you. They specialize in custom vinyl replacement windows 792 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.920 and doors, So check them out sales and installation or 793 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.119 all in house. There's no middleman mark up. 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But let's continue the football conversation 810 00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.880 with one of our favorite Stevenson Sylvester back on the 811 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.159 driving a Monday sly, Happy money man, how are we doing? 812 00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.920 Hello Sli Oops, sorry I was a mute there. 813 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:53.800 Happy Monday brother, how you doing? 814 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:55.119 Thanks for joining us? 815 00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:57.599 You know I've done that so many times, are you 816 00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:59.119 on zoom or Google Li? 817 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.480 Like, how are you joining it us today? 818 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:02.360 Google meet man Meat? 819 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:02.920 Yeah yeah. 820 00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:05.559 Porter got me introduced to that man. And I much 821 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.800 preferred doing my interviews that way. I have zero connection 822 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:11.559 and issues and it just feels better. 823 00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:13.719 Love it and you sound great, and I've done the 824 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.480 mute things several times, and sly, I've got to. I'm 825 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:18.400 gonna apologize right out of the gates before I ask 826 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.599 a question, because I don't mean disrespect. Porter and I 827 00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:24.800 were debating this last segment as our guy Zach Moss 828 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:26.599 hopped on the team or e cheeuse me hopped on 829 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:28.920 the show and for the team. He's part of our team, 830 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.039 so are you. And here's what I'll say, slide. I 831 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.880 just want your reaction. You guys will always go down 832 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.920 the twenty eight team, the one that Sugar Bowl. I 833 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.280 believe the Sugar Bowl win over Alabama is the best 834 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.960 win in the history of Utah football, all due respect. 835 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:44.360 To conference championships and such. 836 00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.159 And you guys will go down as one of, if 837 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:49.800 not the greatest Utah football team of all time. If 838 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.719 I said to you that twenty nineteen is the most 839 00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:58.079 talented team on paper that Utah football potentially has ever had. 840 00:39:58.199 --> 00:39:59.239 What would you say to me. 841 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:02.440 I wouldn't. 842 00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:05.599 I mean, I can't argue that that's all subjective, right, 843 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.320 And honestly I'm good with that. Right on paper is 844 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:13.920 is not as good as results. And so we've seen that, right, 845 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.159 Like we came into last season like this is the best. 846 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:20.119 Team Utah has ever had on paper, Look what happened. 847 00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.559 Right, So, as far as a comparative, like I don't 848 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:27.760 mind that, you know, twenty eighteen, you know, doing my 849 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.679 research with you know, my Utah man brand and talking 850 00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.039 to all the old players from the past, it's about 851 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:39.239 a whole bunch of undervalued guys overperforming right guys, proving 852 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:42.400 people wrong, you know, day in and day out from 853 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:46.280 training camp throughout the season, and even when everything is 854 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:50.599 pointed to you supposed to be winning, everybody would still 855 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.480 denounce you or or think of less of you, and 856 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.199 you still prove them wrong. And that was the mentality 857 00:40:56.199 --> 00:41:00.719 of those guys. So honestly, I'm more excited and privileged 858 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.320 and honor to be a part of that style of 859 00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:05.280 team because that's what sports is all about. 860 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.800 Then somebody who's better on paper. 861 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.840 For sure, well, said, no argument here, but I will. 862 00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:12.960 I'm going to follow up with a question and if 863 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:14.960 you can solve it, you might get a phone call 864 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.440 to go coach the Cowboys, because it's what everybody wants 865 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:22.360 to know. Slid, because what are the elements like twenty nineteen. 866 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:24.519 I'm not trying to pick on them, but any team 867 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.159 that's great on paper and then there's a team like you, 868 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:29.920 guys who want every game in front of you, which 869 00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:32.800 is all that matters. What are the most important dynamics 870 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:35.079 to make sure that a team that on paper has 871 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:40.239 every single thing that you could want. Talent, experience, offense, defense, 872 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:44.280 special teams, and the road between day one of springball 873 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.760 and the final day of the season that for you 874 00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.119 culminated in a Sugar Bowl went over Alabama. 875 00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.239 How do you turn talent into results? What are some 876 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:52.400 of the key dynamics? 877 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:56.119 It's leaders, end of the day. It's the type of 878 00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:57.280 leaders that you have. 879 00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.719 And I can humbly say that from from the different 880 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.280 teams and the things that I've seen, it's it's the 881 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.400 leaders on the team and how they lead. 882 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:06.960 Right. 883 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.880 People can consider themselves a leader, but like, are you 884 00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.960 willing to do what you're asking somebody to do right. 885 00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.239 Like a lot of people hate their bosses, right because 886 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:19.320 like they're asking me something so simple, like why don't 887 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:20.440 they just do it right? 888 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:23.840 And so it's it's more of like can you lead 889 00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:24.559 by example? 890 00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:28.440 Can you are would your teammate or the person next 891 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:32.079 to you believe that what you're asking them, what you're 892 00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:35.000 asking of them, that you're willing to do right? And 893 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.519 and it's so for me, it's the leaders on the team. 894 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.000 When I got on the Pittsburgh my first year, we 895 00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:43.159 went to the Super Bowl, right, and the leaders on that. 896 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.199 Team was just second to none. 897 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:48.800 Right, Pittsburgh started going downhill when those guys left Pittsburgh, 898 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:55.199 right like the hines Wards, the Ben Roethlisberger's, the Willie Colowns, 899 00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:59.679 the Max Starks, the Troy Polamalo's, Ryan Clark's, and I 900 00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:03.440 take to Brett keesl to Casey Hampton and James Fair, 901 00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.599 James Harrison, like those leaders right there. 902 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.199 They set the stage for out everything is supposed to go. 903 00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:14.480 Those leaders, the coaches didn't need to talk to They 904 00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.480 knew what to get done. Whether you had the tellent 905 00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.719 or not, you still have to go out there and 906 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.559 earn it and execute it. And there's no prime example 907 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:24.199 today more than the Detroit Lions. 908 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:25.360 The Detroit Lions. 909 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.440 Looked great on paper, and they're going out there and 910 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:31.239 executing every single week and earning their recognition. 911 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:31.559 Man. 912 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:34.320 So I just think that it's all about the leaders 913 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.960 on the team. It was for us in eight of 914 00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:38.320 going out there and putting in the work. 915 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:43.039 Yeah, And you know that's probably a tried and true principal, 916 00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.440 you know, both in sports and in life, right, great 917 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.840 leaders who understand what to do, and then it probably 918 00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:51.920 takes a lot of humble followers, correct. I mean, it 919 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.719 doesn't matter what your talent level is, like if you've 920 00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:58.199 never done something before, it's probably an important element of 921 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.199 it of a team to have people that are willing 922 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:04.199 to listen to the older classmen and understand what it 923 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.039 is to be part of Utah football culture. Is that 924 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:08.679 kind of in line with what you're thinking. 925 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:11.800 That's one hundred percent, And that's kind of where I 926 00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:13.559 want to get back to. Like I always look at 927 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.239 like what happened this past year because I'm like, we 928 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:19.440 had the talent we talked about, or I came into 929 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:23.920 the season talking about the depth it would benefit us 930 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.199 for when we do have injuries, people can step in 931 00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:27.400 and we shouldn't miss a beat. 932 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:29.760 And as soon as cam Risen got hurt, we went 933 00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.800 to straight crap. So at that. 934 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:35.920 Point, what where were our leaders and what were our 935 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:40.159 leaders doing, you know, to inevitably make the whole team 936 00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:42.360 step up and make things happen right, And so. 937 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:44.960 It's leaders for me. 938 00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:47.280 I looked at it, you know, over and over again, 939 00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.400 and just like and how they do it right? You know, 940 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.760 you got leaders of all kinds of different stuff. People 941 00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:57.119 consider themselves leaders, but I think there's a certain type 942 00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:59.800 of leader that it is. You know, Coach Whittingham says 943 00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.760 it all time, He's an alpha dog, alpha of alpha, right, 944 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.599 But like, what type of leader are you? And can 945 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.840 you do the be the right leader that will bring 946 00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:13.719 a locker room together? And I just don't feel like 947 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:14.760 we had that last year. 948 00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:15.960 So this is interesting. 949 00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:17.679 I didn't plan on doing this today, but it's one 950 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:19.719 of the things I liked about interviewing you. You know, 951 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:21.480 we can go in a bunch of different directions. And 952 00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:26.719 now I'm thinking about what the BYU players said after 953 00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:30.239 the Alamo Bowl postgame press conference. Connor pay a lot 954 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:33.159 of the seniors and upper classmen over there, and every 955 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.000 single one of them talked about the leadership in the 956 00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:39.360 locker room from the players, and they weren't diminishing the 957 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:42.440 leadership of the coaches. But what is the difference, slide, 958 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.679 what's the difference between having great leadership and your coaching 959 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.679 staff and then having great leadership on the team with players, 960 00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:50.800 Because I do think it does hit different a little 961 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:52.079 bit when you hear it from your peer. 962 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:54.760 It's uh for me. 963 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:58.719 I interviewed Connor after the Alamo Bowl too, and these 964 00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:00.880 are a lot of questions that you know, I ask 965 00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.320 him because you know, I have my own opinion, but 966 00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.400 I want to see the validity of it, right. I 967 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.800 want to make sure that my theory or whatever I 968 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.039 thought when I was a player, or whatever I think today, 969 00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:11.960 you know, holds true and it's same. 970 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:16.800 So yeah, but for me, with all of that, it's ownership, right. 971 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:20.480 You got to you gotta be willing to own what 972 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.559 you're a part of. So it doesn't matter how much 973 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:27.559 money you make, how long you've been there, what type 974 00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.199 of ownership do you have on the product that you're 975 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:36.039 a part of, Right, And so the coaches can't make 976 00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:37.519 you understand ownership. 977 00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:38.960 You have to understand it. 978 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.719 It has to go to people that are on your level, 979 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.159 that are putting in the work that you're into. And 980 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.360 it's it's ownership, right, And then like do you feel uh? 981 00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.400 And if you have ownership of your product, you want 982 00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.400 the best out of your product, right. And and so 983 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.440 for me, if I put anything out there, anything that 984 00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:59.639 has my name attached to it, right, everybody wants to 985 00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:03.239 talk about nil, right, anything that has my name attached 986 00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:05.079 to it, I want to make sure it represents me 987 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:06.239 in the best life. 988 00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:06.519 Right. 989 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.119 If my name is attached to the University of Utah, 990 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.920 that's why I'm so prideful it and why I love 991 00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.559 the university so much. If my name is attached to that, 992 00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:18.840 I wanted to be held in the highest standard. 993 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:19.440 Right. 994 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:21.119 And that's what we had in two thousand and eight. 995 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.880 That's what I had on my team in Pittsburgh. And 996 00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.559 that's what I think a lot of championship teams have, 997 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.639 is they have ownership between each and every player, right, 998 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.039 everybody players like talk about I have to own my 999 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:39.760 twelve square feet right, the square feet around me, I 1000 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:41.800 have to own that, and I have to know that 1001 00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:43.679 the person next to me believes that I'm going to 1002 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.039 do that to the best of my abilities, and not 1003 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:48.119 only to the best of my abilities that I can 1004 00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:48.559 do it. 1005 00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:50.280 He believes that I can do it. 1006 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.440 So for me and the leaders, and what I took 1007 00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:57.159 from Connor pay was ownership, ownership of this team, ownership 1008 00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:59.239 of the product that we're putting out there each and 1009 00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.880 every week, and that people are watching and and and 1010 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:03.880 just loving what you do. 1011 00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:07.400 Follow up, does a quarterback have to be a leader? 1012 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.320 I mean, you obviously play with Brian who, like you know, 1013 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.679 you had a quarterback who was a leader. And Coach 1014 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.480 Wit talked a lot about Cameron Kevin Rising how he 1015 00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:18.840 was and I hate to say was it just doesn't 1016 00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.000 sound like he's coming back. And I could keep going 1017 00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.480 down the list. But you reference the Lions and look, 1018 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:27.079 Jared Goss a really good player. We saw him, you know, 1019 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:29.039 we were in the Pac twelve foot print. We saw 1020 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.880 him play Utah. I don't know if he strikes me 1021 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:33.480 as like one of their main leaders. 1022 00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:35.039 Maybe he is. I'm not in the locker room. 1023 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.760 But do you have to have a quarterback who's also 1024 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:39.559 one of your preeminent leaders? 1025 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:41.519 Well, I think. 1026 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.639 It makes the most sense, but I don't think that 1027 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.760 at the end of the day that makes the team. 1028 00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:50.639 I think it's the easier way when you have that 1029 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:52.599 guy who has the ball in his head. It's like 1030 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:54.920 the point guard, right, You want your point guard to 1031 00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:58.760 be your leader, right, Like what were the teams of 1032 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.960 the Michael Jordan's team without like a Ron Harper or 1033 00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.920 Steve Price or Steve Kerr, right, or you know Gary Payton, 1034 00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:10.239 he was the leader of his team, right, the Chauncey Billups, right, 1035 00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.000 Like they were the leaders of the team that you 1036 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.239 look up to. So you want to have that person 1037 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.639 because they have the ball in their hands most often, 1038 00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.400 to be the leader that just makes everything and everybody 1039 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:24.880 because they want the ball, they want to be effective. 1040 00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.559 They'll look at that person more often because that person's 1041 00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.639 name will more often be said. Like if you listen 1042 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:33.480 to a play by play, guy, they're gonna say a 1043 00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:36.119 person's name more often, right, Like if you're just listening 1044 00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:39.280 on the radio and somebody says, Chauncey Billups has the ball, 1045 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.880 passes it to Riy Hamilton, pass it back to Chauncey Billups, 1046 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.280 passes it to Rashid Wallace, hits the couldn't Tayshawn Prince Oh, 1047 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:47.719 that's a goal who's name that they say more often 1048 00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:50.360 in that than anything. It's the point guard. Same thing 1049 00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:53.280 with the quarterback. Quarterback takes the snap from center, they're 1050 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.679 gonna see the name of this guy who's delivering the 1051 00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:59.000 ball to handing the ball off and orchestrating the play 1052 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.800 more often than so. I think it's easier when it's 1053 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.320 the quarterback for it to be your team to like, 1054 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:08.079 you can't have a team without your quarterback being the leader. 1055 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.800 I don't agree with that because I've been a part 1056 00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:15.280 of teams where quarterbacks are not the vocal leader, but 1057 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.280 you know, they go out there and execute. 1058 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.960 They lead by example, so they're a type of leader. 1059 00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:23.519 To be the head honcho leader, that's the raw raw guy. 1060 00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.360 I don't think it's completely necessary, but again, you just 1061 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.400 got to have make sure that that person is bought 1062 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.800 in and has ownership of his. 1063 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:34.960 Twelve square space and it makes it happen. 1064 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.239 But at the end of the day, the quarterback being 1065 00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.199 the leader doesn't have to be it for you to 1066 00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:43.800 have a team. But I do think it's the easiest 1067 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:47.079 to get your entire team to buy in because everybody 1068 00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:49.480 knows football is the most people right you have to 1069 00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:52.280 have the most people on the same page than any 1070 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.480 other sport that's out there, and if your quarterback is 1071 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.079 at the helm of it, it just makes it easier 1072 00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:57.480 to do that. 1073 00:50:57.639 --> 00:50:59.840 One more question about this before we get accused of 1074 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:01.360 ted talk. 1075 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:04.119 Instead of talking football. 1076 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.599 I'm just curious, because you know, college or pro, who's 1077 00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.039 the who's the best leader you ever played with in 1078 00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:09.559 your career? 1079 00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:18.280 Oh, my gosh, the best leader as a player. There's 1080 00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:21.719 been a few, right like, Uh, for me, I love 1081 00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:26.480 James Ferrier. James Ferrier when I got to the NFL, 1082 00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.119 he was just a guy that everybody looked up to. 1083 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.679 And as far as if we go, we go the 1084 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:36.119 way James Ferry goes, that's Troy Polamalud, that's Ryan Clark, 1085 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.599 that's Ike Taylor, that's Brett Keisol. They looked at James 1086 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:44.599 Ferry even offensively. You know, Willie Cologne, you know uh, 1087 00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:48.559 Marquise Pouncy mind in Hall, even Roethlisberger. 1088 00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:50.280 They looked at James Ferry. 1089 00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:55.119 He was one of the best, uh examples of the 1090 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.400 head haunchho and it became. 1091 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.199 So natural to him because he was so cool, like 1092 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:03.880 you wouldn't even I don't know you know, just as 1093 00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:06.199 a guy that you looked up to, respected, know's going 1094 00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.760 to put in the work and everybody believed in. 1095 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.119 I thought James Ferrier was one of the best leaders 1096 00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:12.000 I was ever around. 1097 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:14.400 Interesting stuff. Interesting stuff. 1098 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:16.239 All right, let's move off of it and actually talk 1099 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:19.480 some football now, and let's do a little college. We'll 1100 00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:21.480 end with pro and I'll set you loose on a Monday. 1101 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.559 Do you like this new format now that we've seen 1102 00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.760 it unfold? Because it's one thing to say, Hey, I 1103 00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:32.760 like the idea of twelve teams or the premise is sound, 1104 00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.559 but you have to see what it's like. You have 1105 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:37.920 to witness how it unfolds before you can actually have 1106 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.320 a fully baked opinion. So, now that we have a final, 1107 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:43.440 Ohio State Notre Dame, what do you make of our 1108 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.239 first experience as college football fans witnessing this twelve team 1109 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:47.679 c CFP man. 1110 00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:52.280 I loved it one. It automatically got me thinking of 1111 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.000 the future. What are the next few years going to 1112 00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:57.480 be like? Now that the players know what. 1113 00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.559 It's going to be like and the possibilities of it. 1114 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:04.199 Right now that each team understands like, Okay, Boise State 1115 00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:08.719 got in it and s and U got in it. 1116 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:10.960 We could be one of the Indiana got it. 1117 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.639 We could be one of those teams, and we have 1118 00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:14.519 a possibility. 1119 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:15.800 I'm Indiana. 1120 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.920 If I beat Notre Dame, I can go play Georgia 1121 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:21.440 and I could beat Georgia. 1122 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:22.159 Right. 1123 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.760 I scored more points on Notre Dame than Georgia scored 1124 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.840 on Notre Dame. Right, I can do that, and then 1125 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:29.960 I can beat the next team, and I like it. 1126 00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.039 It's just more possible when you've seen it done and 1127 00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:36.960 the possibilities of you making it happen. Right, Like even 1128 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:41.039 our twenty eighteen about us breaking into the BCS and 1129 00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:43.800 beating teams like that, we've seen it done, right. 1130 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:45.280 We've seen the O four. 1131 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:48.400 Team, you know, break the BCS, or even before that 1132 00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:50.280 in two thousand and three when they were just beating 1133 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.480 teams like Texas A and M in North Carolina and 1134 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.000 then then just everybody they lined up against, they just 1135 00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:59.559 they they demolished them, right, And even the year before 1136 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:03.039 seven when UCLA was ranked number eleven in the country 1137 00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:05.199 and they came in the right Eycle Stadium and we 1138 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:06.840 just beat the brakes off of them. 1139 00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.440 So we knew it was possible. By the examples of. 1140 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:13.119 The years before us, right, And now that this has 1141 00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.679 been done, I just think that other schools are looking 1142 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:18.679 at that like like we always had an epifty, Like, oh, 1143 00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:20.760 maybe we could do it. But you see in Arizona 1144 00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.840 State take Texas to the brink. Arizona State possibly should 1145 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:27.280 have won in many examples, right, take that field goal 1146 00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.719 that bounced on the ground but bounced through the uprights 1147 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:34.159 technically they want, right, Imagine them playing against Ohio State, 1148 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.880 right and not losing it in the last two minutes 1149 00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:40.360 of the game, right, and not throwing a freaking pitch 1150 00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:45.000 on goal to go situations Oh so stupid. But I 1151 00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:48.119 think the possibility that other schools are now looking at 1152 00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:50.320 in this twelveteen format is just great. And I just 1153 00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:53.239 think that the years to come are just going to 1154 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:56.079 be that much more interesting, that much more intriguing. I 1155 00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:59.000 think it brings that much more fire to regular season 1156 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.920 games to get to the opportunity to be a part 1157 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:02.599 of the playoffs. 1158 00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.480 So I asked you prior to the semi final kind 1159 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:09.920 of what your got told you about these games? And 1160 00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.960 I remember, I know you did a good job of 1161 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.760 breaking down why ultimately every game is kind of its 1162 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.199 own thing, and it's all about matchups. And as a 1163 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:22.360 guy that played for Utah to beat Alabama and the 1164 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:24.039 Sugar Bowl in two thousand and eight when not a 1165 00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:25.880 lot of people thought you would, you're well equipped to 1166 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:28.800 talk about how any team can beat any other team 1167 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:32.719 on any given day. But it feels like nobody believes that. 1168 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:35.679 Marcus Freeman, by the way, what an impressive dude, age. 1169 00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:37.960 How about your first coaching job in life is just 1170 00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:40.199 Notre Dame. You know, at the age of thirty five 1171 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:41.679 and now at the age of thirty ninety, has a 1172 00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:43.760 chance to win a national championship. 1173 00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.360 Against his team that his alma mater. 1174 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:48.280 Exactly, it's his alma mater. 1175 00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:49.440 That's even more. 1176 00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:53.039 Insane awesome storylines. But Vegas isn't giving Notre Dame much 1177 00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:55.599 of a chance. The general public, according to the money, 1178 00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:58.760 giving them almost zero chance at all. Ohio State's an 1179 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.119 eight point favor. Do you think the Irish have a 1180 00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:02.719 fighting chance? No pun intended. 1181 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:07.079 Hey, anytime you lace them up, you have a fighting chance. 1182 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:07.840 And so. 1183 00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:13.400 I'm always for a game not being one before it's 1184 00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:17.079 played right, And I think that these odds and lines 1185 00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:22.280 from Vegas, they're just more motivation and bullet to board 1186 00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.960 material than anything, and so it's all about how you 1187 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:28.559 line up, right. I didn't think Notre Dame would do 1188 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.800 what they did against Georgia, but let alone Georgia have 1189 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:34.480 as bad a receivers as they did. Like, I didn't 1190 00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.800 think they could drop the ball that many times. I thought, 1191 00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:40.400 you know, the matchup against Penn State was very equal, 1192 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:42.360 and as it was, it was twenty four to twenty 1193 00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:46.320 four to the last second, right, And so you know, 1194 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:48.599 I think this matchup going into Ohio State, I do 1195 00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:51.079 think Ohio State has the has the edge. 1196 00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.599 But you've seen in this Texas game, it's never over. 1197 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.880 Like Ohio State started on fire and then they got 1198 00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:01.400 one penalty and they went right back in the tank 1199 00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.440 and Texas kind of came back in the game. But 1200 00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:06.880 it was fourteen twenty one and Texas has one yard 1201 00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:09.599 to game to make it twenty one twenty one, and 1202 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:10.880 they don't make it happen. 1203 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:11.719 Like that game was. 1204 00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:13.920 Close until the end. You know, you can look at 1205 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.719 twenty eight to fourteen and like, oh they had it handily. No, 1206 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.039 Ohio State did not have that handily. And that's what 1207 00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:19.920 I was talking about. 1208 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:20.480 You know. 1209 00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:23.679 The other week is that like Texas can make it happen, right, 1210 00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.880 and so I think that's gonna be the same situation 1211 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:28.400 in this National Championship game. 1212 00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:30.440 It's gonna be exciting. I think it's gonna be a 1213 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:31.159 great matchup. 1214 00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:34.440 And if you can put a game plan together, anything 1215 00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:35.079 is possible. 1216 00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:39.199 Rights. It's not like the NBA Finals where you have 1217 00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:42.760 to score four games. You have to win four games 1218 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.440 against a single opponent to actually win it. This is 1219 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:46.119 sudden death. 1220 00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:50.239 Man, you got one opportunity to make this happen. I 1221 00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:53.159 love this and I think it's gonna be a great matchup. 1222 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.079 I do give the edge to Ohio State when you 1223 00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:59.000 look at the offense, the defense, I give it to them. 1224 00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:00.719 I don't think it's gonna be an eight point game. 1225 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:03.840 I think it'll be a little closer. But these National 1226 00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:07.800 Championship games are are are always interesting. And here's one 1227 00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:11.880 thing that if if Notre Dame pulls this out is 1228 00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:14.559 because I believe they have more heart than anybody in 1229 00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.400 this bracket. The way that they play, they want it 1230 00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:21.119 more and I and that's all about the leader, uh 1231 00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.400 and Marcus Freeman to instill that in him, right, like 1232 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:29.960 the coach for the Lions Uh, he's he's instilling the 1233 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:33.719 ability to want it more in his players than the opponent. 1234 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:36.000 That that Vikings game at the end of the season 1235 00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:39.079 was awesome, and I think that's exactly what Marcus Freeman 1236 00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:42.480 is doing in his Notre Dame Fightrish Fighting Irish, and 1237 00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:44.239 so I just think it's gonna be a great game 1238 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:44.679 because of that. 1239 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:47.159 All right, we'll do a little NFL slide on set 1240 00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:47.559 you loose. 1241 00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:51.360 And one of the coolest things, in my opinion about 1242 00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:54.480 your football career is you played college football for Kyle 1243 00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:56.519 Winningham and pro football for Mike Tomlin. 1244 00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:57.159 Like that's a. 1245 00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.199 Really really cool thing, man. That makes you That put 1246 00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:03.079 you in a very small group. You know the deal though, 1247 00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:06.159 I mean, it's been eight years since the Steelers playoff wins, 1248 00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:10.039 the longest playoff droughts in seventy two. Mike's streak of 1249 00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:14.000 eighteen consecutive non losing seasons is insane. But you know 1250 00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:16.840 the standard in Pittsburgh, and look, I'm a fan. I 1251 00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:18.760 don't think they should do anything. I don't think they will, 1252 00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:20.880 but there's a lot of noise around your former head coach. 1253 00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:22.119 I just want to get your thoughts on it. 1254 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.559 I'm just I just I don't think it's coming from 1255 00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:29.239 Steeler fans. I think it's coming more from just you know, 1256 00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:34.400 outside opinion is. But like, who else are you gonna get? Right, 1257 00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:36.679 Who's gonna replace Mike Tomlin? 1258 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:40.400 Steelers have had three coaches in the last forty five years. 1259 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:44.679 Here's my thing, everybody who always has an opinion of something, 1260 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.360 is there someone else you have in mind that would 1261 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:52.039 do a better job, because it's not right the Steeler 1262 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.119 mentality and how they do it, from the roster that 1263 00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:59.159 they assemble, from the ownership that they have. You have 1264 00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:01.519 to have a certain per personality fit that and do 1265 01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:05.079 that right. And I do think I think the Steelers 1266 01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:09.119 have slipped up and just been able. But this is football, man, 1267 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:12.800 and that's why I'm saying, like, it's not like the 1268 01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.679 NBA playoffs where you get four opportunities against a single opponent. 1269 01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:18.960 It's sudden death and if you don't make it happen, 1270 01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:20.800 it's good. But you look at the talent in the 1271 01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:24.840 West the last fifteen twenty years. Look at the last 1272 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:29.719 twenty five years, right, it was the Patriots, Tom Brady, right, 1273 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:33.079 you got the all kinds of teams in the AFC 1274 01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:36.840 have been making noise from Carson Palmer and in the 1275 01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:40.719 same division we've been Ray Lewis and the Baltimore Raates 1276 01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:42.960 have been in the same division for the last twenty 1277 01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:43.440 five years. 1278 01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:45.519 Like, it is not easy to win. 1279 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:48.280 In the AFC, right, And I want to do more 1280 01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:51.280 research to see how many Super Bowls the AFC in 1281 01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:54.039 the last twenty five years have won over the NFC. 1282 01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:58.719 But like, it's not easy to win in the AFC. 1283 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:02.960 It's a sudden depth deal. I'm telling you, you'd be 1284 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:03.960 a lot more hurt if. 1285 01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.679 You were a Steelers fan and having a losing record 1286 01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.880 every year, then going to the playoffs and losing, Right, Like, 1287 01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:13.519 what if you were the Browns, What if you were 1288 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.480 the Jets, what if you were you know, some of 1289 01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:19.519 these other lowly teams that may have one good year 1290 01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:20.599 in the last. 1291 01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:21.760 Ten to fifteen years. 1292 01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.239 There's literally a possibility every single year with the Steelers, 1293 01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:27.400 And so you got to keep that. I think, you know, 1294 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:29.719 Mike Tomlin is trying to figure it out and navigate 1295 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:32.159 this new day and age with what type of personnel 1296 01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:34.519 that we need to have, right, Like, you look at 1297 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:36.760 that game against Baltimore and you've just seen a lot 1298 01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:40.280 of lackluster effort. How do you motivate guys that you're 1299 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:43.239 paying so all this money, right, like, you got to 1300 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:45.760 do that and out how do you motivate guys you 1301 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:48.440 know that they got to want it themselves, right. And 1302 01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:50.840 then for me, I'm watching that game and I'm just like, 1303 01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:55.079 how the hell do the Pittsburgh Steelers defense look like 1304 01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:59.360 they've never seen or heard or played against Lamar Jackson before? 1305 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:03.920 That first drive was abysmal And I'm just like, where's 1306 01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:06.239 your technique? What were you practicing all week? 1307 01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:09.320 It was just it was terrible, And I'm just like, 1308 01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:12.599 you know it was going to be an uphill battle 1309 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:15.519 because one, Baltimore's surging at the end of the season, 1310 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:16.960 which is what you want to do. They got a 1311 01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:20.039 talented roster, but you know that going in, you know 1312 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.480 that you know they're beatable, that's for sure, But you. 1313 01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:27.000 Know it's it's just I don't know. I just felt like, 1314 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:28.079 you know, there. 1315 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.440 Was a certain point of the game where the players 1316 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:33.000 felt like, oh man, we can't win this, and they 1317 01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:36.159 just stopped fighting and so it just sucked. But I've 1318 01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:39.440 been down twenty one points to an opponent and we've 1319 01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:41.840 came back and won, and that's what the Steelers were, 1320 01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:43.800 and they just they just didn't have that mentality of 1321 01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:46.719 that we could overcome and that was just unfortunate. 1322 01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:49.559 Well, and we could reduce it pretty simply. 1323 01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:52.519 Where you know, Mike and the Steelers had such a 1324 01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:54.800 great run when they had a much better option on 1325 01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:57.760 a quarterback. And I think Russ did a pretty admirable 1326 01:02:57.840 --> 01:02:59.760 job after he was left for dead in Denver. 1327 01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:02.079 But did they run it back with Russell Wilson next year? 1328 01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:02.519 What do you think? 1329 01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:03.239 No? 1330 01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:06.159 No, no, I don't think so. I think you know 1331 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:09.840 you you played great with Russell Wilson. Hopefully that Justin 1332 01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:11.960 Fields was able to learn a lot of things with 1333 01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:15.719 Russell and and then he can attack this offseason. 1334 01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:18.960 Like that. But I was thinking about it too right 1335 01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:19.440 after the meeting. 1336 01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:22.880 I would have Russell Wilson and and Justin Fields sit down. 1337 01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:23.920 If I'm Mike Tomlin. 1338 01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:25.559 I know this office too because I've said in them 1339 01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:28.559 multiple times, but like I sit them both in my 1340 01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:30.880 office and being like, yo, Russ, you know, we did 1341 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:32.880 sign to a one year deal, but we're gonna work. 1342 01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:35.760 But Justin is our starter. If you want to go 1343 01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:38.800 test the market, that's great. If you don't find anything 1344 01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:41.199 that you like because you're getting paid thirty forty million 1345 01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:44.199 dollars a year from from Denver not to play for them. Anyway, 1346 01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.400 if you want to come back, we would love to 1347 01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:47.400 have you as a backup. 1348 01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:50.639 But this will be Justin Field's offense going forward. 1349 01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:53.239 And that's exactly how I would tell him. I think 1350 01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:56.079 Russell Wilson would be professional and understand that. I think 1351 01:03:56.079 --> 01:04:00.400 he probably understands that already, and and and that's how 1352 01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:02.519 I would go about it. But you give the keys 1353 01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:04.960 to Justin Fields. He's the younger guy. He's got a 1354 01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:07.320 lot of potential. He led this team great. There were 1355 01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:09.840 things that he can learn. He's been able to sit. 1356 01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:11.960 And this is what a lot of these college kids 1357 01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:13.840 don't freaking understand, is like. 1358 01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:16.760 It's okay to sit a here. It's okay to sit 1359 01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.079 down and learn. Everybody's like, oh I can play faster here. 1360 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:21.559 That doesn't mean. 1361 01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:25.079 Good things for your future, right You're wasting years potential 1362 01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:25.960 opportunity there. 1363 01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:28.840 And so like, I think Justin Fields was able to sit. 1364 01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:31.519 And be humble, But I think that Pittsburgh needs to 1365 01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.880 vocalize that this is Justin Field's team and instill all 1366 01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:37.840 the confidence that you can in him. 1367 01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:40.400 All right, slide before I set you loose my two 1368 01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.559 parter and it could be the same. They're not mutually exclusive. 1369 01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:47.159 But who do you think will win the super Bowl? 1370 01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:49.800 And who do you want to win the Super Bowl? 1371 01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:50.800 Oh? 1372 01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:53.760 Man, it's it's gonna be crazy. 1373 01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:56.599 You know, we haven't seen the guys that had the 1374 01:04:56.639 --> 01:05:01.079 first round by in the playoffs yet. Houston looked absolutely amazing. 1375 01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:03.480 So I can't wait to see that Kansas City Houston matchup. 1376 01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:05.119 You know. 1377 01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:11.119 Uh, the Baltimore Buffalo matchup is gonna be an instant classic. 1378 01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:14.440 My team's been the Commanders all year because my boy 1379 01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:19.079 BJ's over there killing it and and watching Jayden Daniels 1380 01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:21.559 just overcome so much. I just can't wait to see 1381 01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:24.719 what he does against Detroit. Detroit has so many injuries 1382 01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:28.840 on defense that they may be susceptible to getting beat 1383 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:33.079 by by the Commanders. You have no idea, but I 1384 01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:35.880 just think that one. There's there's just so many teams, 1385 01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:38.880 uh that have the opportunity to make this happen. 1386 01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:41.000 You'd want to get. 1387 01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:44.719 Josh Allen to to finally overcome the hump, right, Get 1388 01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:48.159 over Baltimore, get over Kansas city, get. 1389 01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:49.639 To that Super Bowl and show your stuff. 1390 01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:53.559 I'm hoping I can see a Buffalo Philadelphia super Bowl. 1391 01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:55.760 It's kind of what I think. 1392 01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:59.280 And then I I just I think Philadelphia is too deep, 1393 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.440 and so the Eagles might win the Super Bowl this year. 1394 01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:05.559 All right, Sly, I appreciate the time. Man, always good stuff. 1395 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:06.960 Happy Monday, have a great week. 1396 01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:07.559 And we'll chat soon. 1397 01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:10.480 All right, brother, talk to so Stevens and Sylvester one 1398 01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:12.000 of the best to ever do it at the University 1399 01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:16.199 of Utah with some fiery takes today twenty nineteen Utah 1400 01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:18.039 roster Man. I think it's the most talented team the 1401 01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:20.679 coach what's ever had solve played in two thousand and eight. 1402 01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:22.360 They beat Bam and the Sugar Bowl. They won all 1403 01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:23.760 of their games, So there's a bit of a mic 1404 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.719 drop there. Yeah, the Tomlin thing is interesting. I mean, 1405 01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:30.119 you're not gonna talk to anybody that covers football that 1406 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:31.239 doesn't think he's a great coach. 1407 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:32.840 It was Alex Smith himself. 1408 01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:36.320 I was listening to Alex talk about how archaic the 1409 01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:38.400 offense is and it might be time to upgrade. I 1410 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:40.760 don't know, man, but the results just haven't been there 1411 01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:43.480 in the playoffs. It has been eight years since the 1412 01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.079 Steelers won a playoff game. It's the longest playoff drought 1413 01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:49.079 since nineteen seventy two. They have the same amount of 1414 01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:51.880 playoff victories as the Jets over the past eight years, 1415 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:56.440 which is zero. But Tomlin has eighteenth straight non losing seasons, 1416 01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:57.840 which is wild. 1417 01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:00.119 So we'll see. I don't think they're gonna move on 1418 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:00.679 from him. 1419 01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:04.920 During their first ten seasons, the Steelers ranked tied for 1420 01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:08.079 fifth with eight postseason victories, and they won Super Bowls 1421 01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:10.519 under Mike and you know, his results are what they are, 1422 01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:13.079 So we'll see if they decide to make a little 1423 01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:15.360 bit of a change. But appreciate slaves time. We'll do 1424 01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:17.559 a little more football later on. Don't forget you can 1425 01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.119 hear Monday Night Football on our station tonight after we 1426 01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:22.199 say go tonight, we're gonna do the Craig Smith Coaches 1427 01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:25.239 Show first and then we'll join the Rams and the 1428 01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:27.679 Vikings game in progress. 1429 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:29.360 That game is being played in Glendale. 1430 01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:31.280 It was moved from Los Angeles as a result of 1431 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.719 the horrible fires. So appreciate slave time. We're gonna do 1432 01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:37.880 a little basketball coming up with Bobby Marks, the ESPN 1433 01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:42.119 front Office, NBA Insider, the latest on a bizarre kind 1434 01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:44.559 of under the radar. We're pretty football centric right now, 1435 01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:47.719 and obviously we'd be more basketball centric if the Jazz 1436 01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:50.639 we're more interesting. But it's football basketball for the most part. 1437 01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:53.400 But the last few weeks, if you have not been 1438 01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:55.639 paying attention, and I don't blame you, but our local 1439 01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:59.079 soccer club finds itself in a precarious spot, a lot 1440 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:01.800 of head scratching move without a lot of reinforcements on 1441 01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:05.400 the way for now, and they play a game in uh, 1442 01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:07.519 I don't know, a few weeks. It's next month, the 1443 01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:09.880 Conky Calf Tournament. I know you guys are dialed into that. 1444 01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:12.559 So we'll bring in Brian Dunseth coming up for the 1445 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:15.840 latest on RSL. Time for a chance to catch some 1446 01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:20.439 tickets to the red hot Utah Uts men's basketball team. 1447 01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:24.520 That's right, first, big twelve win Saturday night at Okay 1448 01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:29.640 State on fire Text ut right now to three, three, nine, 1449 01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:32.640 eight six to enter for Utah men's basketball tickets. Very 1450 01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:36.079 very happy for Craig and very happy for that team. 1451 01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:38.159 There was no way they were going to go through 1452 01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:41.960 conference play without winning a game. But we talked to 1453 01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:44.239 Sean Moody about this last week, and we were kind 1454 01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:47.600 of debating and discussing when that first Big Twelve win 1455 01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:50.439 would come Utah's way, and it came in dominant fashion, 1456 01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:55.279 and so Okay State. On Saturday the Huntsman Center and 1457 01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:58.479 Utah now hits the road to take on TCU, a 1458 01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:00.800 TCU team that beat bringing me up over the weekend. 1459 01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:04.600 You know, pretty surprised about the start of the season 1460 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:07.079 to BYU. And I've got to say, I know, the 1461 01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:09.800 Yegor Deming kid is thought to be a top ten 1462 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:13.159 lottery prospect and he's only a freshman. I'm not trying 1463 01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:16.079 to crack on him. But I watched more or less 1464 01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:19.199 than the entire TCU game. I saw a lot of 1465 01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:23.199 the Texas Tech game, the Houston game, Look Houston. Whenever 1466 01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:26.039 I watch Kelvin Sampson's team, I'm like, those are pros. 1467 01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:29.680 Those are like grown men playing against college kids. And 1468 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:32.000 the Texas Tech game for BYU was more about make 1469 01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:35.359 or miss. But TCU was not thought to be a 1470 01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:37.479 very good team. Like everyone else in the Big Twelve. 1471 01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:40.119 They have a lot of talent, but the Demon kid 1472 01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:43.960 just does not appear to have a great feel for 1473 01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:45.119 this level of basketball. 1474 01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:47.960 He had four turnovers and a couple of bad. 1475 01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:51.920 Ones down the stretch and BYU was down two and 1476 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:56.279 Yegor took like a step back fade away three with 1477 01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:59.239 plenty of time left and it wasn't close. So I 1478 01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:00.800 bring it up because he's thought to be like a 1479 01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:03.079 top ten NBA prospect, I'm just not seeing it as 1480 01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:06.039 of now. Richie Saunders has played really well for him. 1481 01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.960 Cannon Catching's is the other NBA prospect on that roster. 1482 01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:12.760 There's some other players like down Hall really should be 1483 01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.319 their primary ball handler in those situations because he has 1484 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:19.199 experience there. In my opinion, instead of the Diego demon kid, 1485 01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:21.600 I think Dallen just has more of a calming presence. 1486 01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:25.479 But for all of the talent the BYU has, you know, 1487 01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:29.319 on that roster and Kevin has at his disposal. 1488 01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:32.119 As I've discussed ever. 1489 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.560 Since the announcement came down that aj Debantsos headed a 1490 01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:38.119 provo to play college basketball for five months, all these 1491 01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:42.359 things are great, like it's awesome. BYU Athletics has momentum 1492 01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.159 right now, probably in a way that UTA Athletics doesn't. 1493 01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:45.520 Yet. 1494 01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:49.760 These things are sick, We're cool, and they can change 1495 01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:51.239 or the drop of a hat. But that's kind of 1496 01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:54.119 where we're at for now. But now Kevin's got a 1497 01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:56.600 show you can coach, man Like, the pressure really is 1498 01:10:56.640 --> 01:10:59.680 on the head coach when the talent is clearly on 1499 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:01.880 the team, like Kevin's got. 1500 01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:02.920 He's never been a head. 1501 01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:04.680 Coach, and will excuse me, I think he was a 1502 01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:07.239 G League head coach, but you know, of course he 1503 01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:10.880 coached in the NBA and all of that is finding 1504 01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:16.279 good and because of Kevin's NBA ties, he has the 1505 01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:18.800 ability and we've already seen it to recruit players at 1506 01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:21.239 a high level by dropping names like Kevin Durant and 1507 01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:25.039 Devin Booker and Chris Paul. And the BYU coaching staff 1508 01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:29.119 is littered with NBA experience G League experience, as is 1509 01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:32.039 the entire quite frankly operation. 1510 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:33.800 Yeah, he did coach in the G League. 1511 01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:37.560 He as the head coach Phoenix Sun's assistant, so Kevin's 1512 01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:40.840 had head coaching experience before. But when the talent is 1513 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:44.000 clearly on the roster, the onus is entirely on the 1514 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:48.439 coaching staff. And that's just the deal with basketball on 1515 01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:51.119 any level, Okay, Because I don't think anybody would argue 1516 01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:55.520 that Utah's talent is superior to that of Brigham Young's 1517 01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:58.199 and so it's finding good to be able to recruit 1518 01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:01.600 future future pros. And it's tickets and it provides excitement, 1519 01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:02.880 but you got to prove you can coach. 1520 01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:04.079 Anyway. 1521 01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:06.199 Text utes to three three, nine eighty six to enter 1522 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:09.000 for Utah men's basketball tickets. So it was really excited 1523 01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:12.239 and happy for Craig and his roster to get that 1524 01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:14.880 first Big twelve win because it has just been a 1525 01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:17.640 bit of a slog and it's been tough, and Craig 1526 01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:20.560 is trying with different different rotations. I think that was 1527 01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:24.800 his sixth different starting lineup of the season. They're just 1528 01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:27.760 trying to figure it out right now, and you know, 1529 01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:30.880 it ultimately does come down to the conversation is what 1530 01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:32.960 are these crowds going to look like? So BYU's coming 1531 01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:36.119 up here in Salt Lake City on January the eighteenth, 1532 01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:39.000 So right around the corner we're going to see BYU, 1533 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:41.880 you tire in Salt Lake. I do wonder what that 1534 01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:43.920 crowd will look like and see, you know, see over 1535 01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:46.800 the next couple of games, if the youths can pile 1536 01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:48.920 up some wins here there, maybe folks will be a 1537 01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:53.239 little bit more motivated to come see Utah basketball. But 1538 01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:55.640 text in right now for your chance to win some tickets. 1539 01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:01.399 Also text assets. We're asking you did a little texting. 1540 01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:03.640 I would imagine message rate supply, So don't get mad 1541 01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:06.159 if you get your cell phone bill. But text asset 1542 01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:10.119 right now to five eight seven seven seven one thousand. 1543 01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:12.479 That's five oh eight seven seven seven one thousand for 1544 01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:14.520 a chance to win one thousand dollars cash in this 1545 01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:18.359 nationwide contest. Good luck from all of us over here 1546 01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.680 at ESPN Porter. I kind of feel bad. I feel 1547 01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:25.239 like I uh, I pitted Zach Moss and Stevenson Sylvester 1548 01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:25.960 against each other. 1549 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:27.520 That was not my intent. 1550 01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:32.239 I thought Slies points were well taken now in the 1551 01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:37.199 modern day and age of political discourse quite frankly sport discourse, 1552 01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.439 where you're supposed to crack a mic and yell an 1553 01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:42.840 opinion they don't even believe, just to be salacious and 1554 01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:45.600 in cindiary. I know it's not popular in this line 1555 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:47.800 of work to acknowledge that two things could be true, 1556 01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:50.359 But could we acknowledge that twenty nineteen had more talent 1557 01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:52.479 on paper yet two thousand and eight. 1558 01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:53.800 That's the team that got it done. 1559 01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:58.279 I think that's exactly where you should land because it's 1560 01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:02.119 the truth. Yes, that twenty eight team had plenty of 1561 01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:06.119 NFL talent, and they similarly put a bunch of guys 1562 01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:09.079 on the defensive side of the football into the NFL. 1563 01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:13.720 But you just look at around the league right now, 1564 01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:23.399 Spence around the NFL today, Julian Blackman, Jalen Johnson, Devin Lloyd, Lecky, 1565 01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:30.159 Fotwo Bradley and I Tyler Huntley, Zach Moss. 1566 01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:31.840 Britton Covey was on that team, Cody Barton, you know 1567 01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:32.640 else was on the team. 1568 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:37.399 Bran Keithy, Britton Covey, Brandon Keithy, Mikha Defua. These are 1569 01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:40.239 all guys that have played in the NFL. So outside 1570 01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:43.960 of Bran Keathy, so far, that is the most talented 1571 01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:46.199 team on paper that has ever walked through the University 1572 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:49.680 of Utah AM not only and that's not only my take, 1573 01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:53.760 I am confident saying it. But again, that doesn't tell 1574 01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:57.359 the whole story because they injuries played a part, yes, 1575 01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:00.159 but they kind of fell apart at the end. And 1576 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:04.439 obviously the PAC twelve championship didn't happen. The playoffs in 1577 01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:08.960 which the four team playoff. It wasn't a twelve team playoff. 1578 01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:12.720 The four team playoff spence that they only needed to 1579 01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:15.560 beat the organ to get into. Let's be clear, everything 1580 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:18.479 else fell into place. If Utah would have won the 1581 01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:21.079 Pac twelve Championship in twenty nineteen, they would have gone 1582 01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:24.159 in two bowl season the number four team in the country, 1583 01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:26.560 and they would have had a chance at a college 1584 01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:30.920 football playoff. So I think it is worth mentioning, and 1585 01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:34.119 I think you're exactly right. I think that's where we 1586 01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:36.800 should land because it's just the realistic take. 1587 01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:38.640 I liked slives fire though. 1588 01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:40.960 When I asked him, like, what's your response if I 1589 01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:43.119 say twenty nineteen is the most talented team we've ever 1590 01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:43.560 had here? 1591 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:45.760 He went full slide yeah on that one. 1592 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:49.000 And if I was on two thousand and eight, I 1593 01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:51.560 would feel the same way, because honestly speaking, I feel 1594 01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:55.359 like most people and I'm raising my hand. Okay, ranked 1595 01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:58.119 two thousand and four over two thousand and eight. Two 1596 01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:00.319 thousand and four, And we could get into the weeds 1597 01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:02.479 on this debate as well, because I think twenty nineteen 1598 01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:06.079 is also more talented on paper than two thousand and four. 1599 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:10.319 The Utah Football two thousand and four is the best 1600 01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:13.279 football team I believe we've ever had in this state 1601 01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:14.920 with the way they just kind of kind of came 1602 01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:16.600 together and smoked everyone. 1603 01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:20.319 Yeah, I think three things can be true at the 1604 01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:20.720 same time. 1605 01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:24.520 Hey, you behave yourself. We're going to break people's minds. 1606 01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:27.800 They people these days are not capable of holding three 1607 01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:28.520 thoughts in their head. 1608 01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.159 The two thousand and four youth team is the greatest 1609 01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:34.600 team to go through this program. The two thousand and 1610 01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:38.159 eight team is the best football team to go through 1611 01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:41.800 this program. And the twenty nine team is and should 1612 01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:44.359 have been the most talented team that has gone through 1613 01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:46.560 that program. And I think I think we can land 1614 01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:47.680 the plane somewhere around there. 1615 01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:50.399 Five things can be Wait, wait, let's go. Let's move 1616 01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:52.319 up to four things can be true? One hundred things. 1617 01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:56.000 Calmed down, It's Monday. Okay, we've got to pace ourselves. 1618 01:16:56.039 --> 01:17:00.880 We've got five of these this week. Sorry, what's the most? 1619 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:05.760 Could it be possible? The twenty twenty three slash twenty 1620 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:11.079 four Utah football is the most disappointing team making four 1621 01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:14.079 things true on a Monday afternoon. I know we're getting weird. 1622 01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:16.159 Can we say that four things are not true. 1623 01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:16.960 I think so. 1624 01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:18.720 I think so, And that has more to do with 1625 01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:23.000 the expectations than the result to me, and the expectations 1626 01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:23.560 were warranted. 1627 01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:24.239 Let's be clear. 1628 01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:28.279 They should have had very high expectations. And you add 1629 01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:31.880 in the fact that we're talking about twenty twenty five 1630 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:35.079 being the year the twelve team college football Playoff is debuted. 1631 01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:36.239 You add in the fact that. 1632 01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:40.199 They're rejoining BYU in the Big twelve, and all of 1633 01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:44.840 the collision course that was the Pac twelve Big twelve 1634 01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:49.960 independent drama kind of colliding in twenty twenty five and 1635 01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:54.119 the youths laying an egg man. That's more disappointing than 1636 01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:56.640 any season in program history. And I don't think it's 1637 01:17:56.680 --> 01:17:57.119 really close. 1638 01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:02.920 Five things can be true twenty twenty one Utah Football 1639 01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:06.039 Pac twelve champ, the most surprising team, Okay, in U 1640 01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:06.960 Tough football history. 1641 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:07.520 So we have the. 1642 01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:11.760 Best, the best season, the best team, the most disappointing. 1643 01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:14.840 Now five things can be true, the most surprising team 1644 01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:15.600 in you tough football. 1645 01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:19.399 I disagree, damn it, because I think that was building. 1646 01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:22.199 I think if you watch this team in twenty fifteen, 1647 01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:25.960 twenty sixteen, you watch Zach and Tyler, that thing was turning, 1648 01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:28.399 and it was you know, you just needed to get 1649 01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:31.279 a quarterback. You just needed to replace Tyler Huntley and 1650 01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:34.279 keep that thing turning. I'm gonna go back to old 1651 01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:39.960 Scott Mitchell, old you know, middle of the McBride era, 1652 01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:43.920 where you just start throwing I don't know, seventy passes 1653 01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:46.960 in a game with the big lefty back there and 1654 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:50.119 actually winning a game or two. I'm gonna go with that, 1655 01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:53.319 just because I actually expected that twenty twenty one team 1656 01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:54.079 to be really good. 1657 01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:56.279 Well, we got to four things can be true at once, 1658 01:18:56.319 --> 01:19:00.640 and most media shows of any kind, sports politics cannot 1659 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:01.319 get to four things. 1660 01:19:01.359 --> 01:19:02.520 So I feel like we've done a good job. 1661 01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:04.279 I think we've we've accomplished. 1662 01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:07.720 Something started a little physical therapy today once again found myself. 1663 01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:08.399 Back there we go. 1664 01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:10.920 No, it's not she, it's the shoulder. This time. It 1665 01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:12.800 was the knee last. 1666 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.279 Year, it was the rib of the year before that. 1667 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:18.079 And it's just like I walk in now. My physical 1668 01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:19.279 therapist is one of my best friends. 1669 01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:21.600 I was gonna say, it might just be the routine now, 1670 01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:24.840 like you used to do a radio show and then 1671 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:27.159 go home and walk the dog and then work out 1672 01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:28.159 and then. 1673 01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:30.720 You know, cook dinner. You may just put Pete on 1674 01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:31.119 the list. 1675 01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:32.560 Now, Yeah, we're like homies. 1676 01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:35.760 I walk in and in the reception, she's like, Spence, Hey, 1677 01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:37.600 great to see. I'm like, I don't want to be 1678 01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:40.800 the guy. Did every one of the physical therapy office knows. 1679 01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:42.760 I don't want to be that guy, but I've turned 1680 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:43.319 into that guy. 1681 01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:43.720 Yep. 1682 01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:46.880 Four weeks to get the to get the wing right. Okay, 1683 01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:49.199 we're doing a little extracide. Was pretty encouraging, but I'm 1684 01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:51.000 not allowed to swing a golf club and tell him good. 1685 01:19:51.079 --> 01:19:52.079 That's probably good advice. 1686 01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:56.399 As much yoga as you can, and you maybe maybe 1687 01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:58.960 avoid the PT a little bit more order. 1688 01:19:59.039 --> 01:20:01.119 I can't do yoga becau he has a chataranga. Man, 1689 01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:03.359 get familiar with poses. 1690 01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:03.960 I'm behind. 1691 01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:08.319 You want me to start doing rapid chotaaranngas and down 1692 01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:10.960 dogs when my shoulders bad? 1693 01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:16.119 Neo fight a little better knowledge here, please of the 1694 01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:17.720 practice the art. 1695 01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:20.319 I just want your range of ability to do better 1696 01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:21.159 so you don't get injured. 1697 01:20:21.279 --> 01:20:23.119 I'm I'm glad you're being part of the solution. I 1698 01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:23.840 appreciate that. 1699 01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:26.880 Anyway, hang in there, stretch, don't get hurt, and try 1700 01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:28.600 not dage. I don't know what the secret is, but 1701 01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:31.319 we're doing the best we can, all right, two hours down, 1702 01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:33.239 two hours ago. We'll get back to football in the 1703 01:20:33.399 --> 01:20:35.399 five o'clock hour. Don't forget, we are going to say 1704 01:20:35.399 --> 01:20:37.800 good night at six time for the Craigsmith Coaches Show 1705 01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:38.479 at Slackwater. 1706 01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:39.960 Craig and Rles will have that for you. 1707 01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:42.560 Utah basketball with their first Big twelve win of the season, 1708 01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:46.640 so congrats to them. And after the Craigsmith Coaches Show, 1709 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:50.520 stay tuned because you're gonna hear the conclusion and probably 1710 01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:54.680 the majority quite frankly, of the Vikings and the Rams game. 1711 01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:58.039 That Monday Night tilt will wrap up the wild card 1712 01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:01.800 weekend of pro football. But coming up next, Bobby Marks, ESPN, 1713 01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:07.319 NBA Front Office Insider, Monday Night Football on your airwaves 1714 01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:08.920 this evening. Don't forget, where are your home of the 1715 01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:11.119 NFL and college football in this market? 1716 01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:14.119 We'll come your way after the Craigsmith Coaches Show you. 1717 01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:16.600 Tom Manz Hoops gets their first Big twelve win of 1718 01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:18.560 the year over the weekend, so stay tuned for that. 1719 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:21.079 But joining me now, Man, it's been a while that 1720 01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:23.279 I always appreciated when the great Bobby Marks can make 1721 01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:25.399 some time, and he does on a Monday afternoon. 1722 01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:26.840 Bobby, Happy Monday, sir. How are you. 1723 01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:28.920 I'm good? How are you? 1724 01:21:29.119 --> 01:21:29.520 I'm well. 1725 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:31.439 Thank you for the time. Of course, I will not 1726 01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:32.079 bury the lead. 1727 01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:35.000 Your reaction on Leangelo Ball signing a deal with Deaf 1728 01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:37.239 JM weorth thirteen million dollars. 1729 01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:39.199 I thought, that's what You're going to lead the show 1730 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:42.760 into this song. I'm probably not. You know, it's funny, 1731 01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:46.119 my my, I have a fifteen and I'm an eighte 1732 01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:47.680 year old. We're talking about it and I was like, yeah, 1733 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:49.199 let me listen. I'm want to listen to the lyrics. 1734 01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:50.840 And I started playing in the kitchen. I was like, yeah, 1735 01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:52.640 this is probably not the song that's going to be 1736 01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:57.520 it's blaired in the Catholic school here down here in Naples. 1737 01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:03.039 Oh that's probably yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. 1738 01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:05.479 I mean I would imagine being the only ball that's 1739 01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:07.640 not playing pro basketball. You got to find a way 1740 01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:10.399 to make some money. So I'm not a hater, Bobby. 1741 01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:10.680 I'm not a hater. 1742 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:13.680 So good for him, not at all, all, right, Bobby, 1743 01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:16.760 I don't know if you've noticed, Jazz aren't winning much 1744 01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:19.640 this year. Okay, so I want to do a little 1745 01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:21.920 jazz off the top. We won't do a ton. 1746 01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:25.560 And I've got to say I'm more. 1747 01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:29.560 Bullish on the potential of what they could be this 1748 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:32.479 year than I was either last year or the year before. 1749 01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:35.079 Like I do think they're doing the right thing, and 1750 01:22:35.119 --> 01:22:38.399 I actually applaud the way they're going about it. And 1751 01:22:38.479 --> 01:22:42.119 Will's just like last night they sat half their team 1752 01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.920 and Brooklyn is not a serious team, but the front 1753 01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:47.960 office is trying to find a way to do this, 1754 01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:49.840 and Will seems to be able to coach this team 1755 01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:52.760 no matter who is on the roster. So while we're 1756 01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:54.680 sitting here with a team that's ten and twenty eight 1757 01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:57.159 in a market of basketball fans that are not accustomed 1758 01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:00.920 to losing, I actually think there are some good signs. 1759 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:03.600 No, I mean, and I think you could probably say 1760 01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:05.560 that even with you know kind of what happen what's 1761 01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:08.239 happening with Brooklyn too, and I and I say this 1762 01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:11.520 is that the most important thing that you can take 1763 01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:15.399 away from this, and yes there's pain alongside. If I 1764 01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:18.119 lived through it twelve and seventy, I lived through it. 1765 01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:21.920 That's a that's a long year. Is to continually have 1766 01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:25.199 your coach put a foundation in place, so when the 1767 01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:28.319 time is right, and when when is that time, whether 1768 01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:32.279 it be with your young players that continually play better 1769 01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:35.520 and develop here, or if it's in a trade or 1770 01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:37.600 if it's a free agency or when we get to 1771 01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:41.840 the draft in June, that those guys there's a system 1772 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:45.479 in place with that. I think that's the most important thing. 1773 01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:48.199 And I said this, I said, it's the Sean marks 1774 01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:51.119 their general managers. This was before they made the Shrewd 1775 01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:53.960 trade and during Finnish Smith and I said, listen, you 1776 01:23:54.039 --> 01:23:57.079 have what we learned from Jordi Fernandez is that he 1777 01:23:57.119 --> 01:23:59.520 can coaches rare endof and there's a system in place. 1778 01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:02.119 And that's the two. I think that's the two two 1779 01:24:02.239 --> 01:24:04.199 most important things that you can you can kind of 1780 01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:06.840 take away from this. And Will is, yeah, listen, is 1781 01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:09.800 this is different than you know the last two years. 1782 01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:12.560 You get to what were they probably five hundred dish 1783 01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:15.800 at the All Star break, and that's the hardest that's 1784 01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:18.159 the hardest part to you. If you want to start 1785 01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:21.840 tearing it down, then that's where it becomes very very 1786 01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:24.720 difficult here. So I listen, they've they're open eyes as 1787 01:24:24.720 --> 01:24:28.319 far as what the endgame here, you know, certainly with 1788 01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:31.279 this draft coming up, but you know, you just you know, 1789 01:24:31.319 --> 01:24:33.880 you're not you're not throwing away games, but you're you're 1790 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:36.920 putting your guys in a position where the developmental part 1791 01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:40.239 is key. Listen, Isaiah last night at a you know, 1792 01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:42.920 we don't we're not going to talk about the second violation. 1793 01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:45.720 But you learn from those things, right, Those are like 1794 01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:49.560 learning experiences that guys have to go through here. 1795 01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:53.359 Yeah, I thought, uh, I thought Colin Section was going 1796 01:24:53.399 --> 01:24:56.560 to rip poor Isaiah's head off after the second violation. 1797 01:24:56.720 --> 01:24:59.079 But yeah, you know, and and I'm not going to 1798 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:01.000 go down the list to ask it where you think 1799 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:03.840 about each player because that you know, ultimately time will tell. 1800 01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:05.319 But I do want to kick the tires on a 1801 01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:08.600 few of them because you know, whenever I I'll go 1802 01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:10.760 on a radio show or a podcast and they want 1803 01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:12.880 to talk about the jazz. The question they asked me 1804 01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:17.239 consistently is who besides Lowry Marketing will be on this 1805 01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:21.399 roster when they're good again, who's the keeper? Yeah, And honestly, 1806 01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:22.840 prior to the start of the year, I would answer 1807 01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:25.319 the question, I don't know, it's only Lowry at this point, 1808 01:25:25.359 --> 01:25:27.880 and I'm kind of ready to put Walker next to 1809 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:29.840 market in with the way he's played this year. 1810 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:32.159 Give me your thoughts on year three for Walker Kessler. 1811 01:25:32.520 --> 01:25:34.600 Yeah, I listen. I think I think there was so 1812 01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:39.279 much of an expectation level going into last year, how 1813 01:25:39.319 --> 01:25:43.680 he played, you know, his rookie year, you know, everything 1814 01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:46.640 that came with it that you know. I don't I 1815 01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:49.319 don't want to say letdown, but we were probably looking 1816 01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:51.399 for him to maybe take another step last year, and 1817 01:25:51.439 --> 01:25:53.239 it kind of plateaued a little bit here, I thought. 1818 01:25:53.239 --> 01:25:55.560 I think I think this year, I think he's been 1819 01:25:55.960 --> 01:25:59.319 extremely extremely good on the court, you know, both sides. 1820 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:02.159 You know, I think there's just more of a more 1821 01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:04.960 of a comfort level. I chuckle sometimes when I hear 1822 01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:07.079 his name mentioned in like trade talks, and I'm like, 1823 01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:08.359 you know, the guy is really good, and he's on 1824 01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:11.199 a rookie contract, and you know, I think he might 1825 01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:14.359 be part of this future here. So I I like 1826 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:17.840 what I've seen from him. I think that's those are 1827 01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:20.600 like those individual goals that we were kind of talking about, 1828 01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:22.720 like what you can kind of take away from each guy, 1829 01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:25.760 And it's it's like an open tryout this year, right, 1830 01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:27.680 It's an open tryout for some of the I like 1831 01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:31.279 what Bryce has done right, I thought he's played I 1832 01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:33.800 thought he's played really well. I think Isaiah has you know, 1833 01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:36.880 as the season grows up, you know you can you know, 1834 01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:39.840 you feel comfortable with him, you know, running point as 1835 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:42.119 far as some of your younger guys. You know, Cody's 1836 01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:43.680 going to be, you know, up and down. I think 1837 01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:46.319 this is kind of a growing pains year. And I 1838 01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:49.000 think whenever you're you're picked in the lottery, there is 1839 01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:51.760 an expectation that you're going to be up there with 1840 01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:53.760 Rookie of the Year, and that's you know, that's not 1841 01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:54.600 always the case. 1842 01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:58.319 No, it's not. And I do think he's really answered 1843 01:26:58.319 --> 01:26:58.640 the bell. 1844 01:26:59.079 --> 01:27:01.880 So I'll just expand and that question to see if 1845 01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:04.760 And it's so hard. I mean, all of these most 1846 01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:06.800 of these players are still babies and they've got a 1847 01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:09.119 marathon in front of them. There have been some good 1848 01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:12.119 Kyle Philipowski moments. I just don't I don't know what 1849 01:27:12.159 --> 01:27:14.279 to make a Kyante you know. Sometimes I watch him, 1850 01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:16.279 I'm like, yeah, I see it, and other times I'm like, well, 1851 01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:18.960 he looks like Colin Sexton and Jordan Clarkson, and there's 1852 01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:22.079 some redundancy on there. I don't know, but outside of marketing, 1853 01:27:22.279 --> 01:27:24.640 outside of Kessler, who else you think is kind of 1854 01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:27.199 uh in this plan for the long term. 1855 01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:28.680 It could be around when they're good again. 1856 01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:31.359 Yeah, I mean I think I think you have to 1857 01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:32.520 As I said, I think you have to like what 1858 01:27:32.640 --> 01:27:35.439 you show, what you've seen with with with Bryce, I 1859 01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:38.439 think he's kind of been more you know, certainly more 1860 01:27:38.439 --> 01:27:42.520 consistent than prior years. I agree with you regarding Kiante. 1861 01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:45.079 I you know, I want to see more, right Like, 1862 01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:46.359 I want to see him on the court. I want 1863 01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:48.199 to see him healthy. I want to you know, last 1864 01:27:48.279 --> 01:27:51.359 year was kind of a like a mixed bag of 1865 01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:53.520 a little bit of a little bit of good and 1866 01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:56.479 you know, a bunch of you know, a bunch of 1867 01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:59.199 you know, whether it be turnovers or you know, carelessness. 1868 01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:01.199 I you know, I wanted, you know, I want to 1869 01:28:01.239 --> 01:28:03.600 see more of that. So I'm not yeah, I'm not 1870 01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:05.560 ready to kind of annoying, you know. These are the 1871 01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:08.600 five guys I think, as you know, I think the 1872 01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:12.920 hardest thing with these rebuilds and is that you've got 1873 01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:15.079 to have like a stud man, you got to have 1874 01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:19.319 a franchise level. And what we've seen in Okay see, 1875 01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:21.760 and certainly this year in Detroit, like you have a 1876 01:28:22.079 --> 01:28:25.640 franchise level guard and I think that can take you 1877 01:28:25.680 --> 01:28:27.520 a long way to told me like having you know, 1878 01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:30.439 you draft the guy in the NFL and you get 1879 01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:32.840 a quarterback and it's like, you know, he's are you 1880 01:28:32.880 --> 01:28:36.079 know the kid you know, Jane mc daniels in in 1881 01:28:37.239 --> 01:28:40.399 down in d C and everything like that. So that's 1882 01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:43.239 where you know, I you know, if if I'm how 1883 01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:45.239 this thing turns around in Utah, it's like you got 1884 01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:46.880 to get one of those guys, right, you got to 1885 01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:48.319 get one of those I don't know if it's gonna 1886 01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:51.119 be in the draft or in a trade, and that 1887 01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:54.000 kind of you know, that takes you long, uh, you know, 1888 01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:54.600 a long way. 1889 01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:58.640 So you won't be surprised to learn that Duke Basketball 1890 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:01.640 is receiving excellent rating in our market this year as 1891 01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:04.600 we're all watching, I mean, he's really fun. Man Cooper 1892 01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:06.359 flag dropped forty two over the weekend. 1893 01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:07.920 And there are a lot of names. 1894 01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:10.720 There's the Ace Bailey kid, There's Dylan Harper, and we 1895 01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:14.319 could keep going. So the hope is finally Bobby Lady 1896 01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:16.359 Luck shines on us out here in Salt Lake. 1897 01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:17.920 Finally, we don't move down. 1898 01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:21.199 Maybe we move up, and maybe Cooper Flag is alongside 1899 01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:23.319 marketed in Kessler next year. 1900 01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:25.399 That frontcour would be very popular in Utah. 1901 01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:27.479 And I just won't elaborate on that anymore, but I'll 1902 01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:31.039 ask you, what are you hearing about the type of 1903 01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:34.119 pro that Cooper Flag is expected to be. If he 1904 01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:36.880 stays healthy, puts in the work, it actually does fully develop. 1905 01:29:38.119 --> 01:29:38.479 Well. 1906 01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:40.159 I saw him. 1907 01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:41.079 I don't know if I told you this. 1908 01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:44.079 I saw him a year ago down here at Fort 1909 01:29:44.119 --> 01:29:49.359 Myers and the Tour, the big tournament they have every year. 1910 01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:51.239 This is when he was sixteen and he was out 1911 01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:53.840 Mountain Verd And I turned to a scout and I 1912 01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:56.640 said he could play right now in the NBA. And 1913 01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:58.600 the scout said to me, he reminded me of a 1914 01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:02.800 younger Kevin Garnet. And it's really like, listen the forty 1915 01:30:02.840 --> 01:30:06.199 two points he scored over the weekend against Pitt that's 1916 01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:08.560 gonna be the you know, the running headline on ESPN 1917 01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:11.039 dot com. I love his I love what he can 1918 01:30:11.079 --> 01:30:14.760 do defensively. I love his length, I love his instincts, 1919 01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:18.520 his ability to guard multiple positions here. I think that 1920 01:30:18.600 --> 01:30:21.079 will that will get him. I mean, he'll play, but 1921 01:30:21.119 --> 01:30:23.439 that will probably be his more of his niche than 1922 01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:25.960 a guy that's gonna you're expecting to get, you know, 1923 01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:27.960 thirty points from m or twenty five points. I think 1924 01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:32.079 he's a I think he's a multipurpose you know player. 1925 01:30:32.119 --> 01:30:34.560 He can play both ways here. That's that's kind of 1926 01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:36.520 been you know that that was the takeaway from a 1927 01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:39.439 year ago. That's still the takeaway now. I think, you know, 1928 01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:41.520 we get caught up a little bit earlier in the year. 1929 01:30:41.560 --> 01:30:43.279 There were some games, you know, certainly at the end 1930 01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:46.359 where he turned the ball over. They're not asking him 1931 01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:48.319 to do as much, you know, as far as put 1932 01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:51.359 the ball in his hands like that. So listen there. 1933 01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:54.279 You know, he'll be one of two or one of three, 1934 01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:56.680 you know, probably top two. You know, we have a 1935 01:30:56.720 --> 01:31:00.600 lot of people on number one. Dylan Harper certainly. You know. 1936 01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:03.000 The to part with Rutgers is that they're not They're 1937 01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:06.119 not gonna make a tournament, you know as where they are, 1938 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:08.000 so you're not gonna you're likely if you want to 1939 01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:11.359 see him play now in the next couple months, you 1940 01:31:11.439 --> 01:31:13.720 better do now, because the likely is you're not going 1941 01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:16.960 to see him in March because they're really not having 1942 01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:17.720 a really good year. 1943 01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:19.760 Yeah no, that's true. 1944 01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:21.960 That's true, and it's not a new thing in college 1945 01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:25.039 basketball where transcending talent is playing for a team that 1946 01:31:25.119 --> 01:31:27.560 can't just win. I mean, we could go over a 1947 01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:29.760 bunch of examples Ben Simmons, LSU, but we won't do 1948 01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:32.319 that today. So, Bobby, since you and I last spoke, 1949 01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:36.399 a rather surprising development and Stephen A. Smith, your peer, 1950 01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:40.079 was rather taken back when young AJ Debants had told 1951 01:31:40.159 --> 01:31:43.199 him that he was taking his talents to Provo, Utah 1952 01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:45.199 to play his college basketball. 1953 01:31:44.720 --> 01:31:45.960 For Kevin Young and Brigham Young. 1954 01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:48.960 I'm gonna ask you the same question I asked you 1955 01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:51.800 about Cooper, because I didn't know much about AJ prior 1956 01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:54.840 to this storyline, and I've watched a ton of him 1957 01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:58.359 since and he just appears to be generationally good. 1958 01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:00.279 He and his dad said were one and done, and. 1959 01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.199 So he's getting seven middle to play five months of 1960 01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:06.359 basketball for BYU, Ryan Smith b Yu along big Time Donor. 1961 01:32:06.720 --> 01:32:09.720 A lot of people are trying to line between like, hey, 1962 01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:12.359 you can develop BYU players and they'll play for the Jazz. 1963 01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:14.520 I'm like, that's not really how that works. But okay, 1964 01:32:15.319 --> 01:32:17.520 but tell me your reaction when you heard AJ was 1965 01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:18.039 coming out here? 1966 01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:18.720 What kind of player? 1967 01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:21.960 You think that he is not surprising at all? You know, 1968 01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:24.000 I think they're you know, the Ties were kind of 1969 01:32:24.600 --> 01:32:28.520 pointing that way. I enjoyed steven A's reaction, and I 1970 01:32:28.520 --> 01:32:30.600 felt like saying, not everyone has to go to Duke 1971 01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:34.239 or North Carolina or Kentucky or Kansas or some of 1972 01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:37.439 these blue bloods. I think, what what they're building out there, 1973 01:32:37.479 --> 01:32:39.560 I think can be really can be really good. I 1974 01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:42.720 think when you talk to you know, certainly our own 1975 01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:45.640 Johnathan Cavoni and our draft guys, is that, you know, 1976 01:32:46.119 --> 01:32:49.319 as much as twenty twenty five is being built, twenty 1977 01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:53.119 twenty six draft class is probably better as far as 1978 01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:56.159 from a depth standpoint, And certainly AJ is sitting up 1979 01:32:56.159 --> 01:32:59.159 there selling that the boozers or are there. I feel 1980 01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:00.960 like this is that it's a draft class. We're going 1981 01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:02.680 to see a lot of former NBA players with their 1982 01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:06.119 sons in this in that class. So yeah, I think, 1983 01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:08.079 you know, listen, if Jazz fans are like, oh my god, 1984 01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:10.199 we have to sit through another one in these years 1985 01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:13.399 and stuff like that, that next, you know, twenty to 1986 01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:16.000 twenty sixth class could be, could be really really good. 1987 01:33:16.039 --> 01:33:19.079 And I think you know certainly's versatility is length, position 1988 01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:22.640 of need, which is always uh, which is always important. 1989 01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:25.119 One more jazz question, and I've got to say I 1990 01:33:25.159 --> 01:33:27.000 love having you on as a guest because I can 1991 01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:29.840 actually get ten minutes of jazz conversation where other guys 1992 01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:31.239 are like, hey, I'm not watching them, Like all right, 1993 01:33:31.279 --> 01:33:34.079 I get it. But you are kind of a north 1994 01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:36.319 star for for people when it comes to the trade 1995 01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:39.439 deadline and we're high speed ahead to that trade deadline, 1996 01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:43.159 and I just wonder, are you hearing anything about the jazz? 1997 01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:44.359 Do you think they're active? 1998 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:47.000 And part of me, Bobby believes they're built perfectly for 1999 01:33:47.079 --> 01:33:48.800 what they're trying to do this year because you've got 2000 01:33:48.840 --> 01:33:49.640 to pay players. 2001 01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:51.800 So I don't know if they can get a first 2002 01:33:51.800 --> 01:33:52.279 for a vet. 2003 01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:54.159 Maybe we see something, But what are you hearing about 2004 01:33:54.159 --> 01:33:56.000 the jazz prior to that February deadline? 2005 01:33:56.600 --> 01:33:59.279 Yeah, listen, I think when you when you look at it, 2006 01:33:59.279 --> 01:34:02.079 it's it's will always point to the three veterans, right, 2007 01:34:02.560 --> 01:34:07.199 whether it be Colin Jordan and John and John Collins. 2008 01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:08.840 As far as you know, how do they fit in? 2009 01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:11.840 You know, what's the value of it. Listen, I think 2010 01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:14.520 out of the three colins got value right now, what's 2011 01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:17.079 the value? Can you can you you know, get another 2012 01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:20.359 first out of it? I don't know, based on you know, 2013 01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:22.840 where the market is. I mean remember this year, this 2014 01:34:22.960 --> 01:34:26.600 upcoming draft, Utah is part of a group of teams 2015 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:28.840 that have like fifteen out of thirty picks. Right they're 2016 01:34:28.880 --> 01:34:32.560 with OKC in Brooklyn, San Anton I think is in there. 2017 01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:35.520 So what's the value? What are you trying to do? 2018 01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:37.840 Is calm more valuable to you in the locker room 2019 01:34:37.880 --> 01:34:40.199 with your young players? You know, as I said, he 2020 01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:43.279 still has another year. You know, Jordan's you know, certainly 2021 01:34:43.399 --> 01:34:46.000 been dealing with that planner fasciet. John's got you know, 2022 01:34:46.119 --> 01:34:48.079 John could be of service. But the hard part is 2023 01:34:48.079 --> 01:34:51.720 that the rules make it extremely difficult when you're trading 2024 01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:54.159 for a player who's earning more than you know, twenty 2025 01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:56.119 twenty five million dollars, like we're going to see that. 2026 01:34:56.359 --> 01:34:59.000 Like the guys in Washington, like Kusma and Brognen, I know, 2027 01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:01.520 those guys are probably not getting traded, you know, at 2028 01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:04.760 the deadline, as much as probably the Wizards would would 2029 01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:07.399 like to do it and everything. So I think that's 2030 01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:11.279 you know, that's the key leads as far as from 2031 01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:13.760 a from a draft standpoint, I mean, from a trade standpoint, 2032 01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:16.199 is that I don't know. I mean, I'm not expecting 2033 01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:19.399 as much action as we've seen in the past, just 2034 01:35:19.439 --> 01:35:22.119 based on a third of the league is in the ape, 2035 01:35:22.199 --> 01:35:24.720 either in the apron or in a luxury tax, inability 2036 01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:27.720 to take back more money, the inability to multiple them, 2037 01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:31.279 to aggregate contracts. There's a lot of different variance is 2038 01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:34.800 here with that. You know, Like last week at a 2039 01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:36.920 team exec calm people like, Hey, I'm hearing something maybe 2040 01:35:37.079 --> 01:35:39.239 Zach Levine in Utahn. I'm like, what are you talking about? 2041 01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:41.600 That doesn't make sense? Right, Like, So you're you gotta 2042 01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:44.720 flush out a lot of things as far as what's 2043 01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:48.720 being talked about, you know, out there. But you know, 2044 01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:51.039 we'll see, you know, you know, the Jimmy Butler situation 2045 01:35:51.119 --> 01:35:54.319 certainly has kind of hovered over everything. It's kind of 2046 01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:56.600 quieted down a little bit here. But for Utah, I 2047 01:35:56.640 --> 01:36:01.000 think I think the big name would probably be because 2048 01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:02.600 he's having a really good year. But as I said, 2049 01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:05.039 he's done a really good contract, making eighteen nineteen million 2050 01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:06.399 dollars and he has another year left. 2051 01:36:07.119 --> 01:36:09.239 I like to turn flesh out, So let's flush out 2052 01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:11.760 one more while we're in the space. And you know 2053 01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:14.439 the deal. That's why I searched. You know, you're writing 2054 01:36:14.439 --> 01:36:16.399 out and other people that I trust, because if you 2055 01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:20.000 jump on social it's like hey, NBA trade deadline, primer. 2056 01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:20.439 Check it out. 2057 01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:23.359 But there have been more than a few, and I 2058 01:36:23.399 --> 01:36:25.840 can't give any credibility or credence to any of them. 2059 01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:28.720 But since it's out there, I keep hearing, like, because 2060 01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:32.600 a lot of teams need centers, and Walker's good. I'm 2061 01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:35.319 not saying Danny and Justin wouldn't take a phone call, 2062 01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:37.560 but I don't know that they have any interest in 2063 01:36:37.640 --> 01:36:39.600 moving on from this kid who's really evolved. 2064 01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:41.039 Year three, as we already talked about. 2065 01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:44.239 Yeah, listen, I think you taught you you take a 2066 01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:47.039 phone call and listen. Unless you have Curry or Lebron 2067 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:49.199 or you know somebody the Yannis and stuff, you know, 2068 01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:52.399 some of these upper echelon guys, Shay, you take a 2069 01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:54.800 phone call on everyone you know and you just basically 2070 01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:56.720 hear that and you add it to your big board 2071 01:36:56.840 --> 01:37:00.479 or your whiteboard, and you know, something makes sense. Some things, 2072 01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:02.439 you know you circle back to when you get closer 2073 01:37:02.479 --> 01:37:06.119 to February sixth here. But I will say this, I'm 2074 01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:09.520 fifteen teams into my big trade guy that I put 2075 01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:11.520 out at the end of January. This is probably the 2076 01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:14.720 toughest year. I mean, the most difficult year as far 2077 01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:17.960 as I'm a writing standpoint, just because there's not as 2078 01:37:18.039 --> 01:37:20.439 much juice out there, right Like you're you know, you're 2079 01:37:20.439 --> 01:37:22.600 trying to look at different angles and everything like that, 2080 01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:25.600 and it's hard to complac Yeah. 2081 01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:26.439 No, well said. 2082 01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:28.399 Since you brought up the Jimmy Butler thing, I know 2083 01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:31.680 nobody knows, but he is the name that everybody's talking about. 2084 01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:36.479 And I hear a different team every week. Memphis I 2085 01:37:36.479 --> 01:37:39.279 think was out there for a minute, Golden State, Phoenix, 2086 01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:42.039 who needs to do something? But how does it play out? 2087 01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:44.560 I mean, you don't mess with pat Riley, you just don't. 2088 01:37:44.680 --> 01:37:47.760 And he tried, he got sad. So so what's the 2089 01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:50.079 end game here? Because Bobby, as you know, there are 2090 01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:52.560 several reasons that makes sense for Miami just to not 2091 01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:53.239 make a move. 2092 01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:55.680 So I'm not I'm not really sure how this plays out. 2093 01:37:55.720 --> 01:37:56.159 What do you think? 2094 01:37:57.039 --> 01:37:59.720 Yeah, listen, they're not going to trade, They're not going 2095 01:37:59.760 --> 01:38:02.119 to try for Bradley Beal, like guy will go on 2096 01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:04.359 the record and say that ain't happen. They're not taking 2097 01:38:04.439 --> 01:38:07.000 back what is left. And Bradley Beal has done a 2098 01:38:07.119 --> 01:38:10.119 nice job in Phoenix, but he's not a fifty three 2099 01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:12.319 to fifty four million dollar player, so it makes no 2100 01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:16.000 sense for Miami to go about in that direction here. 2101 01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:19.520 I think how it works out is that Jimmy Butler 2102 01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:21.560 returns from this suspense this and this is all to 2103 01:38:21.600 --> 01:38:24.279 Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler returns in the suspension at the 2104 01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:26.279 end of the week, he plays out the year, there's 2105 01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:28.760 no trade at the deadline, and then he opts into 2106 01:38:28.840 --> 01:38:30.840 his contract at the end of the year, and both 2107 01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:33.119 sides work out of trade in the offseason because there's 2108 01:38:33.159 --> 01:38:36.560 more flexibility as far as when you can when you 2109 01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:39.000 can go at the rules get a little bit looser 2110 01:38:39.039 --> 01:38:41.199 as far as because the money starts to increase the 2111 01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:44.640 salary cap. And I think that's what happens now that 2112 01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:47.319 that's there's a big asterisk next to that, and it's 2113 01:38:47.319 --> 01:38:50.239 a wildcard because I don't know how Jimmy Butler reacts 2114 01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:53.520 when he comes from back from the suspension on Friday, 2115 01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:55.680 and if he and if he doesn't act right, the 2116 01:38:55.720 --> 01:38:57.920 heater is just going to spend him again. I mean, 2117 01:38:57.920 --> 01:38:59.720 that's the reality of it here, and I said it. 2118 01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:02.279 I said it over the weekend. Miami needs Jimmy Butler, 2119 01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:05.119 and Jimmy Butler needs Miami. If Jimmy Butler wants another 2120 01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:08.640 contract out there, he needs them and he needs them 2121 01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:10.359 to be he needs to be on the court playing 2122 01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:11.119 at a high level. 2123 01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:13.720 Well said, all right, let's move over here. A couple 2124 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:15.279 of minutes left that I'll set you loose. I always 2125 01:39:15.279 --> 01:39:19.720 appreciate your time. You know, Year two, Donovan Mitchell, you know, 2126 01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:22.359 Jazz makes some good moves. Dennis brings in Ricky Rubio, 2127 01:39:22.479 --> 01:39:25.000 Joe Ingles becomes a player that nobody thought he could. 2128 01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:28.039 Go Bear Pops as this defensive stopper, and the Jazz 2129 01:39:28.079 --> 01:39:31.680 go to the playoffs and they beat Okac and Donovan 2130 01:39:31.880 --> 01:39:35.600 is their primary offensive option. And I remember thinking insane 2131 01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:37.840 on air, like this is such good news that a 2132 01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:41.119 year two player now has playoff experience. This will pay 2133 01:39:41.159 --> 01:39:44.079 off in five, six, seven years And it is. 2134 01:39:44.319 --> 01:39:45.039 But it's in. 2135 01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:49.359 Cleveland, right, So how real is it? Because he seems 2136 01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:51.319 to be maturing. He did an interview a couple of 2137 01:39:51.319 --> 01:39:53.800 weeks ago where he's like, hey, guys, I'm playing defense now, 2138 01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:56.680 and all of us are like, thanks dude, but you 2139 01:39:56.800 --> 01:39:58.199 got to respect what he's doing. 2140 01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:00.319 And they're thirty three and five. Man, how much of 2141 01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:02.439 a threat A thing? I guess I'll say to the Celtics, 2142 01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:04.159 they're a threat now, Listen. 2143 01:40:03.960 --> 01:40:06.399 A threat. I mean, I said on Sports Center last 2144 01:40:07.079 --> 01:40:10.079 after that game, and I said, probably Cavalier fans I 2145 01:40:10.119 --> 01:40:12.600 want to hear this, but listen, Boston still a favor, right, 2146 01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:15.479 I mean, just based on what happened last year here, 2147 01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:19.439 but you should take Cleveland much more serious than than 2148 01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:22.239 if you did a year ago, because they have done 2149 01:40:22.239 --> 01:40:25.520 a really good job with Donovan's minutes. You know, last 2150 01:40:25.560 --> 01:40:27.560 year I thought he was dragging that leg, you know, 2151 01:40:27.600 --> 01:40:30.239 that knee at the end that in the Boston series, 2152 01:40:30.319 --> 01:40:33.000 and certainly in that in that Orlando series, he's they're 2153 01:40:33.039 --> 01:40:35.720 managing his minutes. I mean he's right around like thirty 2154 01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:38.600 thirty one minutes and stuff, which is huge. And then 2155 01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:40.640 you saw and they you know, okay, see gave me 2156 01:40:40.680 --> 01:40:43.159 scored eleven points. He doesn't have to be superman, right, 2157 01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:46.520 They've gotten Mobley has taken a huge step in his 2158 01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:50.640 development Garland Allen, they've got nice lifts off the bench 2159 01:40:50.720 --> 01:40:54.920 with with Lavert h they finally got shrewsed back. Ty 2160 01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:57.680 Dromes played really well and so it's more it's more 2161 01:40:57.680 --> 01:41:00.720 of a balanced team than it was the Donovan Mitchell 2162 01:41:00.760 --> 01:41:03.359 we saw trying to put up fifty because he needs, 2163 01:41:03.479 --> 01:41:04.840 you know, he needs to win on the road at 2164 01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:08.359 Orlando here like like we did last saw last April. 2165 01:41:08.439 --> 01:41:11.640 So I just think it's a maturation. It's it's evolving 2166 01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:15.880 as far as for him because he realizes that he 2167 01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:17.560 does not have to be the guy. And I think, 2168 01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:21.600 you know, certainly Kenny Atkinson has you know, has done 2169 01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:23.800 a nice job there. But I could also say that 2170 01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:25.720 jab Paper staff did a nice job because look at 2171 01:41:25.720 --> 01:41:28.079 what Jay's doing in Detroit. I mean, that's one of 2172 01:41:28.079 --> 01:41:31.920 the great stories of the NBA right now here. So yeah, 2173 01:41:31.960 --> 01:41:34.520 I think I think it's just a matter of how 2174 01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:37.079 guys mature, you know, whether it be in their eighth 2175 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:37.960 or ninth year. 2176 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:41.680 All right, Bobby, before I set you loose, I'll just 2177 01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:44.000 we'll end with this. You know, a lot of conversation 2178 01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:46.319 about how many good teams there are this year and 2179 01:41:46.359 --> 01:41:49.520 how there's parody all over the place. Are we just 2180 01:41:49.640 --> 01:41:52.560 simply going to end with Okac and Boston in the final? 2181 01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:55.399 And if not, who gets in Okac's way out this way? 2182 01:41:56.199 --> 01:41:58.399 Yeah, they still scare me a little bit. I mean, 2183 01:41:58.479 --> 01:42:01.079 I really like what they've done. Uh and we haven't 2184 01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:03.239 even seen you know, Chet's been out and Cruso has 2185 01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:06.279 been out of a big chunk of big chunk games. 2186 01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:08.199 It scares me a little bit. And and and a 2187 01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:10.439 couple of the Marquee games, whether it be I guess, 2188 01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:12.199 you know, we put the NBA Cup up there against 2189 01:42:12.199 --> 01:42:15.399 Milwaukee and then that Cleveland game, it you know kind 2190 01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:18.479 of you know, you know turned you know, it turned 2191 01:42:18.520 --> 01:42:20.760 south for for both those games here, So that that 2192 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:25.439 scares me a keeeny bit here. But who But if 2193 01:42:25.439 --> 01:42:27.319 you're saying it, then who is it in the West right? 2194 01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:29.560 Like who's gonna is it? Can Can it be Denver? 2195 01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:32.720 Is Denver gonna go? You know they've played really well 2196 01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:36.560 of late here. Do you trust Houston? Probably not in 2197 01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:39.920 a big setting. Memphis, if they're all healthy, what do 2198 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:42.039 they do at the deadline? Maybe they make a move 2199 01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:45.199 to try to add another player here? So I think, 2200 01:42:45.399 --> 01:42:48.800 you know, certainly, you know, I think it's it's probably more. 2201 01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:51.439 I would say it's probably I don't want to play 2202 01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:54.000 okay See Boston right away. I mean, I'm not. You know, 2203 01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:57.359 what Cleveland has done is remarkable, and I think it's 2204 01:42:57.359 --> 01:42:58.920 certainly a toss up of them getting out of the 2205 01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:01.079 East and then certainly the you know, I think that 2206 01:43:01.159 --> 01:43:02.880 some of it depends on what happens at the deadline, 2207 01:43:02.920 --> 01:43:06.199 and but okay See will be the one seed here 2208 01:43:06.239 --> 01:43:08.039 and I think will be fascinating because one of those 2209 01:43:08.039 --> 01:43:10.520 teams that we've seen we saw last year, whether it 2210 01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:13.399 be Golden State or Phoenix or one of those teams, 2211 01:43:13.439 --> 01:43:17.079 maybe San and Tone will be playing them, probably in 2212 01:43:17.119 --> 01:43:18.199 the first round. 2213 01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:19.600 Well, Bobby, great stuff. 2214 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:22.239 As always, we'll see where the trade deadline brings and 2215 01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:24.760 now it's time to lean into more pro basketball. So 2216 01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:26.520 appreciate your time on a Monday. Have a great week. 2217 01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:27.880 Thank you, sir, appreciate it. 2218 01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:29.199 Thanks, Yep, you got it all right. 2219 01:43:29.239 --> 01:43:29.479 Great. 2220 01:43:29.479 --> 01:43:32.680 Bobby Marks, ESPN front office insider spent a number of 2221 01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:36.159 years in NBA front offices with the New Jersey Nets 2222 01:43:36.199 --> 01:43:39.800 and in others. He writes all their trade deadline primers. 2223 01:43:39.800 --> 01:43:41.800 He did a really good piece recently on the teams 2224 01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:45.720 in the best spots to add add talent via draft 2225 01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:47.560 capital over the next four or five years. The jazz 2226 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:51.039 I believe were fourth the first. The first team on 2227 01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:52.119 that list is Oklahoma City. 2228 01:43:52.159 --> 01:43:52.760 Unfortunately. 2229 01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:55.800 Get him on Twitter at Bobby Marks forty two is 2230 01:43:55.880 --> 01:43:59.119 where you find them. About ninety minutes away from the 2231 01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:01.920 Craig Smith Coach you show you Tom N's hoops with 2232 01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:03.239 its first Big twelve win. 2233 01:44:03.199 --> 01:44:03.680 Of the season. 2234 01:44:03.720 --> 01:44:07.479 On Saturday, following the conclusion of the Craigsmith Coaches Show 2235 01:44:07.520 --> 01:44:10.680 live at Slackwater, we will bring you Monday Night football. 2236 01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:13.359 The final game of the Wildcard weekend is the Rams 2237 01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:17.079 and the Vikings in Glendale. That game has been moved 2238 01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:19.800 from Los Angeles as a result of the horrific fires 2239 01:44:19.800 --> 01:44:21.800 in the greater Los Angeles area. But we'll take a 2240 01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:25.800 break from our football and basketball conversation to welcome in 2241 01:44:26.640 --> 01:44:29.159 the guy that can help us understand what's up. I'm 2242 01:44:29.199 --> 01:44:31.439 not the guy for this, but Brian Dunseth is on 2243 01:44:31.520 --> 01:44:32.760 a Monday afternoon. 2244 01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:34.560 Donty, Happy Monday, my guy. How you doing. 2245 01:44:35.439 --> 01:44:36.760 I'm good man, I'm good. How are you? 2246 01:44:37.079 --> 01:44:37.439 I'm good? 2247 01:44:37.520 --> 01:44:40.279 So world traveling right, You've been taking a little time 2248 01:44:40.319 --> 01:44:42.680 off as you should during this time. I believe you've 2249 01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:45.760 been traversing the world. How's the off season been for you. 2250 01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:50.520 Yeah, it's been good, man, it's been quick. We got away. 2251 01:44:50.600 --> 01:44:53.000 We did a couple I think we did like fifteen 2252 01:44:53.079 --> 01:44:58.680 days down in Cabo over the holiday break, and we're 2253 01:44:58.720 --> 01:45:00.960 home for a couple days and then we're down in Mesquite, 2254 01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:03.600 Nevada for my son Luca, my six year old, have 2255 01:45:03.720 --> 01:45:06.920 a tournament down there. So it was all right. Back 2256 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:08.520 to the mix and I'm off for the US men's 2257 01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:13.399 national team coverage this weekend. I leave Thursday, but Saturday 2258 01:45:13.399 --> 01:45:17.319 against Venezuela Mcanelli and Diego Luna going to be part 2259 01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:20.880 of that, and then the following Wednesday against Costa Rica 2260 01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:22.079 out in Orlando. 2261 01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:24.239 Oh very nice. Good for you back at well, glad 2262 01:45:24.279 --> 01:45:27.239 you got some time off. Shout out to Luca. All right, man, 2263 01:45:27.520 --> 01:45:31.279 Like a lot of people, I got the alert on 2264 01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:34.479 my phone that RSL had moved on from Chicho Orongo, 2265 01:45:35.119 --> 01:45:38.039 saw that it was San Jose, saw the takeaway, and 2266 01:45:38.079 --> 01:45:41.800 I just went, wait, what, like, now, there's a lot here, right, 2267 01:45:41.840 --> 01:45:44.399 There's a lot of meat on this bone. And I'm 2268 01:45:44.439 --> 01:45:47.319 of the opinion that last year's team, with Andris on 2269 01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:49.760 the wing and Chicho scoring goals and a bevy of 2270 01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:53.079 other contributors for about fifteen sixteen games, was as entertaining 2271 01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:57.000 as any team we've had here, and Chicho was in 2272 01:45:57.039 --> 01:45:59.239 the middle of a stretch that was as exciting as 2273 01:45:59.279 --> 01:46:02.279 any striker we've had here. That includes Sabo, and we 2274 01:46:02.319 --> 01:46:05.479 could go down the list. But the suspension comes down, 2275 01:46:05.600 --> 01:46:08.239 and I can remember talking to you shortly thereafter and 2276 01:46:08.319 --> 01:46:10.520 people over the club, and there was this feeling like, 2277 01:46:10.600 --> 01:46:14.399 we just hope this does not derail the entire exciting 2278 01:46:14.439 --> 01:46:15.600 stretch that we've just seen. 2279 01:46:15.800 --> 01:46:18.279 Well, it appears, Dunny that it did exactly that. 2280 01:46:18.520 --> 01:46:20.399 So, now that you have the ability to be a 2281 01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:23.880 little bit retrospective and you talked to some people, why 2282 01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:24.800 did this go down? 2283 01:46:25.079 --> 01:46:27.159 How did this go down? And why did they take 2284 01:46:27.199 --> 01:46:28.159 what I perceived. 2285 01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:30.039 To be pennies on the dollar for such a talented 2286 01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:31.159 yet mercurial player. 2287 01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:36.239 Yeah, I'll tell my best sense, because much like you 2288 01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:41.560 caught completely off guard by the announcement that the Chico 2289 01:46:42.399 --> 01:46:44.439 was sent out to San Jose and linking up with 2290 01:46:44.439 --> 01:46:48.479 Bruce Arena and subsequently Joseph Martinez, the former league MVP, 2291 01:46:49.640 --> 01:46:52.720 and goalscorer from Atlanta United. He was down at Miami 2292 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:55.720 and up at Montreal. He just joined up as well 2293 01:46:55.760 --> 01:46:58.880 with Bruce and San Jose. So Bruce rina making some 2294 01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:05.359 moves after returning to Major League Soccer after being unceremoniously 2295 01:47:05.399 --> 01:47:07.680 pushed out of the New England Revolution. 2296 01:47:08.359 --> 01:47:08.560 Yeah. 2297 01:47:08.600 --> 01:47:11.039 Listen, man, if you go to the twenty twenty four 2298 01:47:11.640 --> 01:47:14.920 stat page for Major League Soccer with regards to Real 2299 01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:17.479 Salt Lake, it's got Chi choh Rongo on seventeen goals, 2300 01:47:17.920 --> 01:47:20.319 twelve assists. It's got Andres Go. I was still up 2301 01:47:20.319 --> 01:47:22.960 there with thirteen goals, nine assists. He's got Anderson Julio 2302 01:47:23.039 --> 01:47:26.199 with nine goals, three assists, Diego Luna had eight and twelve, 2303 01:47:26.239 --> 01:47:29.960 and then Matt Crooks three and five. I mean that 2304 01:47:30.279 --> 01:47:32.600 my math isn't great from calac fullyds Tim Passer fail, 2305 01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:35.520 but that's four of your top five goal scorers are 2306 01:47:35.640 --> 01:47:38.840 no longer in the building. Down in Sandy, Utah or 2307 01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:41.800 down in Herriman, depending on which part we're talking about. 2308 01:47:43.079 --> 01:47:44.680 You know a lot of ways this is devastating. You 2309 01:47:44.720 --> 01:47:47.079 go back a couple of summers ago, eighteen months and 2310 01:47:47.359 --> 01:47:50.319 we're talking about Chi cho Rongo for six million coming 2311 01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:54.159 from Mexico after his time at LAFC and for the 2312 01:47:54.199 --> 01:47:56.159 first time in a long time, and you referenced Sabaio. 2313 01:47:56.920 --> 01:47:59.600 You know, we felt like here at Real Salt Lake, 2314 01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:03.039 you have one of the most dynamic goal scorers in 2315 01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:04.960 Major League Soccer, a guy that was familiar with the 2316 01:48:05.039 --> 01:48:07.800 league and the necessity of the week in, week out 2317 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:10.520 grind and the understanding that this is going to be 2318 01:48:10.520 --> 01:48:12.439 one of the big focal points going forward that was 2319 01:48:12.439 --> 01:48:15.039 supposed to put Real Seal Lake over the top. Fast 2320 01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:17.760 forward twelve months. You got a guy who, on seventeen 2321 01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:20.600 goals and I believe a ten or eleven assists, was 2322 01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:23.479 an MLS All Star, was up for the MLS All 2323 01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:28.960 Star captaincy, and out of nowhere the suspension hits. There 2324 01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:32.920 was a lot of questions, a lot of uncertainty surrounding 2325 01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:35.640 the exact nature of the suspension. It still hasn't been 2326 01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:38.479 clarified by either the player of the club or even 2327 01:48:38.520 --> 01:48:42.439 Major League Soccer. But the moment that that's been suspension 2328 01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:44.960 came down, you were right. There was a major concern, 2329 01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:49.800 especially with the correlation of the sale of Andres Gomez 2330 01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:53.640 and thirteen million coming over from RN that you know 2331 01:48:53.720 --> 01:48:57.079 where where were these thirty goals going to come from? 2332 01:48:57.239 --> 01:48:59.600 It came from goals by committee. I mean, Real Lake 2333 01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:05.319 has the unfortunate title of, you know, being knocked out 2334 01:49:05.319 --> 01:49:07.760 of the playoffs without losing a game, going to penalties 2335 01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:10.199 against Minnesota and in both games losing and just being 2336 01:49:10.279 --> 01:49:13.439 dumped out of the playoffs and going into a question 2337 01:49:13.479 --> 01:49:17.560 mark of the offseason with players contracts and thinking about 2338 01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:19.840 what the future was going to look like it but 2339 01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:24.239 against and whether this was the player's decision that he 2340 01:49:24.520 --> 01:49:27.279 was asking for a move. There were whispers that this 2341 01:49:27.439 --> 01:49:29.880 was something that was better for he and his family 2342 01:49:29.920 --> 01:49:32.720 to a little longer be in Salt Lake. There was 2343 01:49:32.720 --> 01:49:37.760 whispers potentially going back to Columbia, but for the price 2344 01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:40.600 one and a half million and I think one point 2345 01:49:40.680 --> 01:49:43.720 four million in general allocation money plus an international spot. 2346 01:49:43.960 --> 01:49:47.479 To give context to this, Craig Wible, former general manager 2347 01:49:48.359 --> 01:49:52.479 at Salt Lake currently in Seattle, sent two million dollars 2348 01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:56.880 general allocation money, international spot and Dealeo Chu down to 2349 01:49:56.960 --> 01:50:00.880 Dallas in return for Haeses Fedeta. I would argue that 2350 01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:06.560 Chicho Rangos is a much in terms of finances, would 2351 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:09.720 be at a bare minimum the same cost for trade 2352 01:50:10.239 --> 01:50:13.399 as what we saw Craig wible stand on Hayes's for data. 2353 01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:16.880 So a big loss in terms of the goal scoring ability. 2354 01:50:16.880 --> 01:50:19.920 You're talking about the club captain as well, leadership vacuum 2355 01:50:20.279 --> 01:50:23.479 inside of that locker room, and still more questions as 2356 01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:27.399 opposed to answers as to why exactly this was a 2357 01:50:27.439 --> 01:50:30.000 move best for the player and his family to depart 2358 01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:30.680 Salt Lake City. 2359 01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:32.319 So let's stay in the space for a moment. 2360 01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:35.359 Your point about the compensation is well taken, and Kurt 2361 01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:39.760 Schmid is a smart soccer executive. So because of these dynamics, 2362 01:50:39.800 --> 01:50:42.920 I have to imagine there was pressure potentially from the 2363 01:50:42.960 --> 01:50:45.439 people that signed Kurt's checks to say, we need to 2364 01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:47.760 get this done, and we need to get this done quickly, 2365 01:50:48.319 --> 01:50:50.119 and we need to get it done before Conky CAF 2366 01:50:50.159 --> 01:50:54.279 which is next month. But that is that such a 2367 01:50:54.399 --> 01:50:57.600 horrible haul? And I know he's aging, right, I know 2368 01:50:57.600 --> 01:50:59.960 he's a little bit older, and maybe his reputation is 2369 01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:02.439 taken a hit because apparently he could be a little 2370 01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:05.560 bit difficult to deal with, not just with with Salt 2371 01:51:05.640 --> 01:51:07.600 Lake but also in Los Angeles. I can't speak to 2372 01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:10.079 any of that, so I'm sure you've talked to some 2373 01:51:10.119 --> 01:51:13.560 of the same people I have. Maybe there was some 2374 01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:17.680 uncomfortable feelings from his family about staying here for certain 2375 01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:19.199 reasons that will remain off air. 2376 01:51:19.279 --> 01:51:23.000 But have you been able to uncover any reason. 2377 01:51:22.640 --> 01:51:26.279 As to why they decided to take what I perceived 2378 01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:28.399 to be a really awful deal. They must have been 2379 01:51:28.479 --> 01:51:31.000 up against a massive deadline, and it feels like they 2380 01:51:31.079 --> 01:51:33.079 just made a phone call was like, who wants them? Okay, 2381 01:51:33.199 --> 01:51:35.000 you can have him, even though we're not getting what 2382 01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:36.439 we should in return for them. 2383 01:51:37.560 --> 01:51:40.479 Yeah, I mean Spence, I taught to somebody associated with 2384 01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:43.960 San Jose as a club and I congratulated him because 2385 01:51:44.039 --> 01:51:45.960 I thought it was it was a hell of a 2386 01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:48.680 deal for them. I mean, one point four million in 2387 01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:52.479 general location money in that spot in today's world is 2388 01:51:53.039 --> 01:51:56.479 really not that much. And again I'm not a math genius, 2389 01:51:56.520 --> 01:51:58.680 but taking a loss on four and a half million 2390 01:51:59.720 --> 01:52:04.159 is a significant wash considering you knew exactly what you 2391 01:52:04.199 --> 01:52:08.000 were paying for eighteen months ago. Yeah, I would assume 2392 01:52:08.119 --> 01:52:12.119 similar that this was something that had to have been sanctioned. 2393 01:52:12.239 --> 01:52:14.560 This wasn't going to be something that just Ker Schmidt 2394 01:52:14.840 --> 01:52:17.359 was making the decision upon. This would have had to 2395 01:52:17.359 --> 01:52:20.399 have been a collaborative effort and agreement that from Pablo 2396 01:52:20.439 --> 01:52:24.359 and his coaching staff, Kurt Jason and anybody else associated 2397 01:52:24.399 --> 01:52:27.680 before it ran up the food chain to you know, 2398 01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:32.640 the the Blitzer hierarchy, Blitzer Smith hierarchy, and whoever ultimately 2399 01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:36.720 is in charge of managing this club. From their perspective 2400 01:52:38.199 --> 01:52:41.039 that you've got a lot of smart people walking away 2401 01:52:41.079 --> 01:52:45.239 from a lot of significant money, especially in a a 2402 01:52:45.399 --> 01:52:47.720 in a window in which you know, you go back 2403 01:52:47.720 --> 01:52:51.720 and think about the effective seventeen to eighteen million dollars 2404 01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:57.239 raised off sales during the summer transfer window, invested minutely 2405 01:52:57.359 --> 01:53:00.800 with Diogo Gonsalveez coming at the end of the summer 2406 01:53:00.840 --> 01:53:03.880 transfer window. That not really working as quickly as we 2407 01:53:03.880 --> 01:53:06.399 thought it was going to work out. And maybe that's 2408 01:53:06.399 --> 01:53:09.640 a byproduct of Luna's development being the MLS Young Player 2409 01:53:10.159 --> 01:53:12.640 of the Year, and maybe Matt Crooks filling a role. 2410 01:53:13.760 --> 01:53:16.640 But again, it's not just Chicho Rongo. It's Anderson Julio, 2411 01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:19.760 It's Andres Gomez, Matt Crooks. Those are a lot of 2412 01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:23.399 goals departing I mean, you're you're talking. I think roughly 2413 01:53:23.479 --> 01:53:27.560 forty two goals in all competitions that are no longer 2414 01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:30.960 a part of this group. That's that's a big void. 2415 01:53:31.079 --> 01:53:34.720 So yeah, your assumption is well taken as something that 2416 01:53:34.760 --> 01:53:36.960 I would agree upon as well, that if you're going 2417 01:53:37.039 --> 01:53:39.880 to get this deal done for you know, roughly one 2418 01:53:39.920 --> 01:53:42.720 point four in general allocation money at this stage of 2419 01:53:42.760 --> 01:53:45.960 the season, that you felt like you needed to make 2420 01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:49.319 the decision, because in my world that doesn't come close 2421 01:53:49.359 --> 01:53:51.880 to the full valuation of what a guy like Chicho 2422 01:53:51.880 --> 01:53:53.760 Arongo's capable of doing a major league. 2423 01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:56.319 Soccer So I'm not sure Danille'll ever be like fully 2424 01:53:56.399 --> 01:54:00.760 on board with we find young talents, we invest young talent, 2425 01:54:00.880 --> 01:54:03.720 we develop young talent, and then we sell good players. 2426 01:54:04.239 --> 01:54:07.399 But I understand it, and Andres's proof of concept. So 2427 01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:11.279 thirteen mil potentially, I get it. I understand that. But 2428 01:54:11.359 --> 01:54:14.319 tell me what you're hearing about Diego, who right now 2429 01:54:14.359 --> 01:54:18.079 appears to be like such a necessity in a lynchpin 2430 01:54:18.199 --> 01:54:20.000 with the lack of creativity in that group. 2431 01:54:20.079 --> 01:54:21.720 Is there a chance that he's gone prior to the 2432 01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:22.439 start of the season. 2433 01:54:23.720 --> 01:54:26.560 No, I mean, there's nothing to suggest. And again I'm 2434 01:54:26.560 --> 01:54:31.760 not privy to those internal conversations, you know, for fielding 2435 01:54:31.800 --> 01:54:34.600 phone calls and interest, And again I would just I 2436 01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:37.720 would always remind people that, you know, a conversation about 2437 01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:41.560 a player isn't an offer for a player, So theoretically 2438 01:54:42.279 --> 01:54:46.119 you never really truly know the intrinsic value of a 2439 01:54:46.159 --> 01:54:48.760 player unless that you know comes over in that email 2440 01:54:48.840 --> 01:54:52.479 that facts whatever we're talking about to justify what a 2441 01:54:52.520 --> 01:54:56.520 real offer looks like. And it's different. Right, Fidel Braja 2442 01:54:56.560 --> 01:54:59.239 is going for five million after costing two hundred thousand. 2443 01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:02.560 Elston Battery is more of a bright product of a 2444 01:55:02.640 --> 01:55:05.560 rule change down in Lega a Mechi's in Mexico where 2445 01:55:05.560 --> 01:55:10.720 they're putting higher value on Mexican international players or those 2446 01:55:10.840 --> 01:55:15.840 that have dual Mexican international availability, because Major League Soccer 2447 01:55:15.880 --> 01:55:20.159 is cashed in on some players that were highly overvalued 2448 01:55:20.199 --> 01:55:24.399 by Legua a Mechi's versus what we've seen value internally 2449 01:55:24.439 --> 01:55:29.600 in Major League Soccer. But yeah, with Luna in particular, listen, 2450 01:55:29.880 --> 01:55:32.960 I think this January camp, I've got him as my 2451 01:55:33.199 --> 01:55:36.039 Tier one, number one player to keep an eye on 2452 01:55:36.119 --> 01:55:39.119 because I think his skill set and his ability, his 2453 01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:42.439 mentality is something special and I think after the season 2454 01:55:42.479 --> 01:55:44.680 he just had, he could be one of the few 2455 01:55:44.680 --> 01:55:47.319 players in this January camp that I think has a 2456 01:55:47.359 --> 01:55:51.399 realistic opportunity to really impress Mauricio Pochettino in a manner 2457 01:55:51.439 --> 01:55:55.439 that could see a more consistent basis of call ups, 2458 01:55:55.479 --> 01:55:58.000 similar to what we saw with Aiden Morris and Columbus 2459 01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:00.760 Crew a year ago, who was with Diego making his 2460 01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:04.760 international debut down in San Diego against Slovakia, turned that 2461 01:56:04.840 --> 01:56:08.439 into a sale to Middlesbrough in the Championship and you know, 2462 01:56:08.479 --> 01:56:11.720 subsequently being more outside of that knee injury, having more 2463 01:56:11.720 --> 01:56:16.159 of a role with Marito Pozattino's central midfield conversation. But 2464 01:56:16.199 --> 01:56:20.039 as of right now, there's nothing to suggest that Diego 2465 01:56:20.119 --> 01:56:22.760 Luna is the next one out the door. I think 2466 01:56:22.800 --> 01:56:28.039 he's fully capable of earning himself significant interest and inevitably, 2467 01:56:28.439 --> 01:56:30.359 you know, a couple of doors being knocked on, they're 2468 01:56:30.439 --> 01:56:32.800 kicking the tires at least by teams over in Europe. 2469 01:56:33.479 --> 01:56:35.760 But I could see that more in a summer transfer 2470 01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:38.760 window interest as opposed to a January window. 2471 01:56:39.520 --> 01:56:42.399 So there's a report the club has not announced it yet, 2472 01:56:42.479 --> 01:56:45.000 but you know, I think it's just fair to say, 2473 01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:48.520 and I'm not trying to be overly critical. The situation 2474 01:56:48.720 --> 01:56:52.079 goal felt untenable last year where Zach was making some 2475 01:56:52.279 --> 01:56:55.520 errors where you're like, dude, are there orange slices and fruit? 2476 01:56:55.640 --> 01:56:58.439 You know, the snacks involved in like so many weird 2477 01:56:58.520 --> 01:57:00.560 gas from Zach who's done it for a lot long time. 2478 01:57:01.319 --> 01:57:04.840 Gavin ultimately gets the shot to win that job and 2479 01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:07.399 he didn't. You know, he's young, He's got a lot 2480 01:57:07.399 --> 01:57:09.479 of upside. But apparently Gavin is being moved on to 2481 01:57:09.560 --> 01:57:12.600 a Danish club. So what is your understanding as far 2482 01:57:12.640 --> 01:57:14.720 as what the plan is in goal for oursel this year? 2483 01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:17.800 Yeah, so it sounds like Gavin Biever's is going to 2484 01:57:17.800 --> 01:57:21.479 be a part of the Blitzer umbrella because the Blitzer 2485 01:57:21.680 --> 01:57:25.560 Sports and you know, Splitzer Sports also owns Bronby over 2486 01:57:25.640 --> 01:57:28.119 in Denmark, and that's where it sounds like that's going 2487 01:57:28.199 --> 01:57:31.840 to be the landing spot. Tommy Boger, Tommy Snacks, as 2488 01:57:31.840 --> 01:57:34.239 I call him, the best mustache in the game, has 2489 01:57:34.319 --> 01:57:38.439 all the inside information from a soccer perspective, and he 2490 01:57:38.520 --> 01:57:40.119 was the first to kind of really put this out 2491 01:57:40.119 --> 01:57:41.880 there that Gavin was on his way. Now we don't 2492 01:57:41.960 --> 01:57:45.680 understand the full compensation, you know, is it a couple million? 2493 01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:48.319 Is it only a million? I know there was there 2494 01:57:48.359 --> 01:57:52.399 was whispers about interest from Newcastle United from the Premier 2495 01:57:52.520 --> 01:57:55.840 League over the summer, but that didn't materialize into a 2496 01:57:55.880 --> 01:57:59.680 true offer from what I understood at the time, more 2497 01:57:59.680 --> 01:58:02.359 about again kicking the tires and seeing what the value 2498 01:58:02.439 --> 01:58:05.399 potentially could have been for Real as Salt Lakes desire 2499 01:58:05.439 --> 01:58:09.039 and want. Listen, I think both he and Zach you know, 2500 01:58:09.079 --> 01:58:12.960 we're given the opportunity to. I think and I feel 2501 01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:14.920 like this is the biggest question coming out of League's 2502 01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:18.840 Cup and that suspension, and coincided with the Chiecho conversation, 2503 01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:22.359 is you've got two goalkeepers that couldn't figure out a 2504 01:58:22.359 --> 01:58:26.199 way to consistently play at a high enough level. That 2505 01:58:26.239 --> 01:58:30.079 didn't justify Pablo and their coaching staff to have significant 2506 01:58:30.119 --> 01:58:34.600 questions about either goalkeeper. And Listen, you were coming out 2507 01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:39.800 twelve months ago steps from Maxim Crepo, John McCarthy, some 2508 01:58:39.880 --> 01:58:44.399 significant goalkeepers being available in the internal free agent market, 2509 01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:48.359 and Real Salt Lake not interest on in making a 2510 01:58:48.439 --> 01:58:51.560 run at either of them or competing for the signature 2511 01:58:51.560 --> 01:58:56.359 of either of them. Zach's been a solid goalkeeper. I've 2512 01:58:56.359 --> 01:58:58.920 always thought that in terms of competition, you could go 2513 01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:02.560 out in the market, either internationally or intra league and 2514 01:59:02.600 --> 01:59:05.800 find someone that could compete and make both goalkeepers better. 2515 01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:08.439 But you know, there was a pathway for Gavin to 2516 01:59:08.479 --> 01:59:10.399 be the number one. He couldn't hold on to it. 2517 01:59:10.439 --> 01:59:13.399 He was given i would say, two to three legitimate 2518 01:59:13.399 --> 01:59:16.720 opportunities to be the number one goalkeeper. And whether it 2519 01:59:16.760 --> 01:59:19.640 was a crisis of confidence three games in seven days, 2520 01:59:19.800 --> 01:59:23.119 or you know, just not proving that he was the 2521 01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:25.920 under speed in number one, that didn't mean that there 2522 01:59:25.960 --> 01:59:28.800 wasn't significant interest because of his performances at the U 2523 01:59:28.920 --> 01:59:32.640 nineteen US Under nineteen team level. And that's what I've 2524 01:59:32.640 --> 01:59:35.600 been told led to this Bronbee opportunity. So it does 2525 01:59:35.640 --> 01:59:40.239 sound like there's a potential for a new goalkeeper coming 2526 01:59:40.239 --> 01:59:42.840 through the door. I've been told that it sounds like 2527 01:59:43.119 --> 01:59:46.920 there's a potential for that announcement coming soon. And hopefully 2528 01:59:46.960 --> 01:59:49.159 this is this is a guy that isn't just competing 2529 01:59:49.159 --> 01:59:51.720 for the number one spot, that potentially is for the 2530 01:59:51.800 --> 01:59:54.159 number one spot because I feel like since the loss 2531 01:59:54.600 --> 01:59:57.520 of Nick Romando, you know, we've had Deva Dachilla, who 2532 01:59:57.680 --> 02:00:01.760 was a Western Conference final winning goalkeeper. For whatever reason, 2533 02:00:01.800 --> 02:00:04.239 he's gone out the door. Now you're going to lose 2534 02:00:04.279 --> 02:00:09.840 another young, dynamic, high potential, high threshold goalkeeper, and you've 2535 02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:12.520 got to figure out what's happening from that position. Are 2536 02:00:12.520 --> 02:00:16.079 you developing for you finding yourself an undisputed number one. 2537 02:00:16.880 --> 02:00:19.319 So hopefully that that has been answered by the time, 2538 02:00:19.840 --> 02:00:22.000 you know, I guess day one started today. By the 2539 02:00:22.039 --> 02:00:23.520 end of the week, and you start thinking about we're 2540 02:00:23.560 --> 02:00:26.520 right around the corner from the startup CAFT Championship, and 2541 02:00:26.520 --> 02:00:27.000 that's kind of. 2542 02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:28.760 One of where I want to go next, Donny, because 2543 02:00:28.760 --> 02:00:31.159 as you reference, like, the players are gathering and I'm 2544 02:00:31.239 --> 02:00:33.840 just you know, you have Mark Zuke, who I think, 2545 02:00:34.520 --> 02:00:36.359 you know, as a chance to be really really good, 2546 02:00:36.439 --> 02:00:39.079 to be honest, I mean with a full preseason, you've 2547 02:00:39.119 --> 02:00:43.680 got uh, you know, Diogo Gonsalvez, who certainly has skill 2548 02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:47.279 it never fully you know, came together last year. 2549 02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:50.640 I'm just looking at the attacking group, like, what exactly 2550 02:00:50.680 --> 02:00:51.439 are we doing here? 2551 02:00:51.680 --> 02:00:52.119 You know? 2552 02:00:52.640 --> 02:00:55.319 Of course, you know Diego's still around, so there's some 2553 02:00:56.359 --> 02:01:00.000 bright I guess i'll say skilled midfielder midfielders, But who's 2554 02:01:00.439 --> 02:01:01.600 who's scoring goals? 2555 02:01:01.680 --> 02:01:01.760 Like? 2556 02:01:01.960 --> 02:01:04.239 And do you think there's some reinforcements on the way, 2557 02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:06.319 maybe as early as the next few weeks before their 2558 02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:07.439 first cocky Calf match. 2559 02:01:09.479 --> 02:01:13.439 Yeah, I mean the well they went through the MLS 2560 02:01:13.479 --> 02:01:16.520 Combine and through the MLS College Draft and picked up 2561 02:01:17.000 --> 02:01:20.720 a pretty sizable amount of players. Now, the one thing 2562 02:01:20.760 --> 02:01:23.520 we never know is are you finding he asked for 2563 02:01:23.600 --> 02:01:26.600 Lafelson or an Amcca and Nelly in this draft we 2564 02:01:26.600 --> 02:01:29.800 talked about Diego Luna being involved with Mauricio Pochettino side 2565 02:01:29.920 --> 02:01:33.520 a mecha and Nelly is also down in Orlando and 2566 02:01:33.560 --> 02:01:35.960 Fort Lauderdale right now with US team. And that's an 2567 02:01:35.960 --> 02:01:38.600 incredible story of a young man that, you know, the 2568 02:01:38.640 --> 02:01:41.920 pathless traveled, not picked to go pro, going through the 2569 02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:45.479 college game and worked himself through, you know, the early 2570 02:01:45.600 --> 02:01:48.399 part of what his future as a professional soccer player 2571 02:01:48.439 --> 02:01:51.159 looked like, and ultimately rewarded with the starting spot and 2572 02:01:51.159 --> 02:01:53.760 playing so well that he was in contention for a 2573 02:01:53.760 --> 02:01:56.079 lot of these conversations, including the All Star Game, but 2574 02:01:56.159 --> 02:01:59.560 ultimately with Diego being coinciding a call up to the 2575 02:01:59.640 --> 02:02:03.000 US men national team. So there is still value in 2576 02:02:03.039 --> 02:02:06.640 the college game. You hope at this stage that there's 2577 02:02:06.720 --> 02:02:10.960 enough of a philosophical approach as well as a professional 2578 02:02:11.000 --> 02:02:14.720 layout that the identification process through the academy system from 2579 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:17.920 the fifteen year olds to the nineteen year olds, that 2580 02:02:17.960 --> 02:02:20.279 you're creating a pathway through the academy to the real 2581 02:02:20.359 --> 02:02:23.000 Monarchs to the first team, and there's a viable option there. 2582 02:02:23.960 --> 02:02:28.079 And we see guys like Zavi Ragozo who consistently are 2583 02:02:28.119 --> 02:02:31.840 being called into the US under seventeens, eighteens, nineteens, and 2584 02:02:31.880 --> 02:02:35.119 now twenties that there's hopefully a pathway if he's good 2585 02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:37.520 enough for the US under twenty national team, that he's 2586 02:02:37.520 --> 02:02:40.399 good enough to see some significant minutes. You know, not 2587 02:02:40.479 --> 02:02:42.880 too long ago, we were celebrating a guy like Axel Kai, 2588 02:02:42.920 --> 02:02:45.960 and Axle Kai hasn't come close to really breaking through 2589 02:02:46.000 --> 02:02:49.760 at the highest level. So you know, in this offseason, 2590 02:02:50.239 --> 02:02:54.880 you know, you trade, you know, a couple of players 2591 02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:57.680 in particular, You're getting Sam Junka, who's a defender who's 2592 02:02:57.680 --> 02:03:00.800 got some memost experience. You got Tyler coming over from 2593 02:03:00.800 --> 02:03:05.159 Atlanta United. That's Josh Wilis's oldest son who's had some 2594 02:03:05.359 --> 02:03:08.119 pretty good minutes in Major League Soccer so far. You've 2595 02:03:08.159 --> 02:03:10.600 got Eliath Monuel who came over from the New York 2596 02:03:10.680 --> 02:03:13.479 Red Bulls who was started on the bench in the 2597 02:03:13.560 --> 02:03:15.880 MLS Cup Final and came in while they were chasing 2598 02:03:15.880 --> 02:03:18.479 the game. To try to get themselves back in and 2599 02:03:18.479 --> 02:03:20.800 then the announcement today of the loan of Kobe Henry 2600 02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:24.159 coming in, who is a dynamic, young center back with 2601 02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:27.479 a high threshold who started off in Orange County in 2602 02:03:27.520 --> 02:03:29.960 the second division here in the United States and was 2603 02:03:30.000 --> 02:03:32.560 over at Rim and so you're gonna give him a 2604 02:03:32.600 --> 02:03:35.880 runout on a loan option. But outside of that, I 2605 02:03:35.920 --> 02:03:38.439 think you're still waiting for these announcements and the timing 2606 02:03:38.800 --> 02:03:41.800 and the league and making sure all the passport and 2607 02:03:41.840 --> 02:03:44.680 the visa situations get all laid out. That takes a 2608 02:03:44.720 --> 02:03:48.039 little bit more time than anybody's willing to really admit. 2609 02:03:48.159 --> 02:03:51.199 But yeah, to your point, whether you're talking about Gonzalez, 2610 02:03:51.199 --> 02:03:53.279 you're talking about mar Chuk, you're talking about any of 2611 02:03:53.279 --> 02:03:57.520 these other players, Laughlin Brook. At the end of the day, again, 2612 02:03:57.840 --> 02:04:00.439 there's a lot of goals that are missing and a 2613 02:04:00.479 --> 02:04:05.000 short amount of time for Pablo and his staff. I mean, 2614 02:04:05.000 --> 02:04:07.520 and here's the other thing, Spence, you know, to assume 2615 02:04:07.560 --> 02:04:09.279 that they're just going to roll out the same formation 2616 02:04:09.399 --> 02:04:12.239 or at least the tactical approach becomes up for debate 2617 02:04:12.279 --> 02:04:14.520 because you've lost so many different players and because this 2618 02:04:14.640 --> 02:04:17.520 system is you know, is the players fitting the system 2619 02:04:17.640 --> 02:04:20.199 is the system fitting the players, and that's going to 2620 02:04:20.199 --> 02:04:22.600 be the challenge for Pablo and his coaching staff, especially 2621 02:04:22.640 --> 02:04:25.720 with kind of the leadership vacuum that I would say, 2622 02:04:25.760 --> 02:04:28.600 in particular, you lose from Chiico and a guy like 2623 02:04:28.640 --> 02:04:29.960 Matt Crooks walking out the door. 2624 02:04:30.560 --> 02:04:33.359 All right, Donnie, Before I said you loose, I mean, look, 2625 02:04:33.399 --> 02:04:35.920 they set a club record for points a year ago, 2626 02:04:36.600 --> 02:04:38.960 they set a club record for goal scored a year ago, 2627 02:04:39.479 --> 02:04:41.560 they were ousted in the first round of the playoffs. 2628 02:04:42.399 --> 02:04:43.039 What gives? 2629 02:04:43.079 --> 02:04:43.159 What? 2630 02:04:43.319 --> 02:04:45.159 Like? Why the fire sale? 2631 02:04:45.399 --> 02:04:47.720 And as a guy that has been in a number 2632 02:04:47.760 --> 02:04:50.760 of locker rooms, what does that say to you about 2633 02:04:50.800 --> 02:04:53.399 the things that behind the scenes that were potentially going 2634 02:04:53.439 --> 02:04:55.159 on that maybe none of us really knew, like it? 2635 02:04:55.520 --> 02:04:57.880 I don't know, Man, For a season that had so 2636 02:04:57.960 --> 02:05:01.319 many victories, it seems odd to more or less break 2637 02:05:01.359 --> 02:05:02.279 it down to the studs. 2638 02:05:02.319 --> 02:05:03.560 So why do you think they're doing it? 2639 02:05:05.119 --> 02:05:11.159 Yeah, and again I'm not privy to the financial ratifications. Obviously, 2640 02:05:11.279 --> 02:05:14.920 I don't have the insight of exactly the breakdowns of 2641 02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:17.439 how they're functioning. Because there's a bunch of different options 2642 02:05:17.840 --> 02:05:20.960 in terms of designated players U twenty two initiative players 2643 02:05:21.039 --> 02:05:25.199 target allocation money. You know, there's a bunch of expendable cash, 2644 02:05:25.640 --> 02:05:29.600 supplemental cash that can be invested by ownership based on 2645 02:05:29.800 --> 02:05:33.800 how you build your roster in the structure. But I'll 2646 02:05:33.840 --> 02:05:36.800 be as honest and transparent as I possibly can as 2647 02:05:36.880 --> 02:05:42.640 just an Apple TV analyst in this situation, I'm shocked. 2648 02:05:42.840 --> 02:05:45.680 I got to be honest with you. I'm shocked that 2649 02:05:45.800 --> 02:05:49.359 whatever's happened in Chicho, in his family's world, that this 2650 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:51.960 was a necessary move at this time of his career 2651 02:05:52.279 --> 02:05:55.479 and at his tenure with the club, Because you don't 2652 02:05:55.520 --> 02:05:57.920 go from being club captain in seventeen goals in a 2653 02:05:57.960 --> 02:06:01.520 season to all of a sudden have so much havocs 2654 02:06:01.560 --> 02:06:04.920 surrounding you that this moment is the moment that you decide, 2655 02:06:05.039 --> 02:06:07.560 with your family's agreement that you got to get out 2656 02:06:07.560 --> 02:06:11.680 of Salt Lake. I completely understand Andres gomaz and pulling 2657 02:06:11.720 --> 02:06:15.119 that trigger on his move in the summer and effectively 2658 02:06:15.159 --> 02:06:18.720 coming just over thirteen million in from Red. So those 2659 02:06:18.760 --> 02:06:20.479 are planning purposes, and I think that was part of 2660 02:06:20.560 --> 02:06:23.760 the deal that comes Alvez Anderson Julio. I'm not aware 2661 02:06:23.800 --> 02:06:26.520 of exactly what his number or his cap hit was 2662 02:06:27.800 --> 02:06:31.000 with either triggering an extension or whatever was left on 2663 02:06:31.039 --> 02:06:34.479 his deal, because I'll gently remind everybody that usually the 2664 02:06:34.479 --> 02:06:38.600 backside of deals are, as you know, spence in any sport, 2665 02:06:39.079 --> 02:06:43.319 pretty heavily burdening for clubs, depending upon what the outlay 2666 02:06:43.319 --> 02:06:46.399 of the statistics look like. And then Matt Crooks is 2667 02:06:46.399 --> 02:06:48.760 more of a family issue for as far as I'm concerned, 2668 02:06:48.760 --> 02:06:51.800 and from what I've been told that it was going 2669 02:06:51.840 --> 02:06:53.840 to be difficult for him to stay here for more 2670 02:06:53.880 --> 02:06:56.640 than one year based on what was going on with 2671 02:06:56.720 --> 02:06:59.439 his wife and his family and the desire to stay 2672 02:06:59.479 --> 02:07:03.800 back in England. So there's certainly circumstances again, as you know, 2673 02:07:03.840 --> 02:07:06.239 in any walk of life, any sport, that clubs have 2674 02:07:06.279 --> 02:07:09.399 to deal with. But I did not have this on 2675 02:07:09.479 --> 02:07:12.960 my winter off season Bingo Pard that this club was 2676 02:07:13.000 --> 02:07:14.640 going to be torn apart in the manner in which 2677 02:07:14.640 --> 02:07:19.039 it was, and so significantly transitioning in a time where 2678 02:07:19.159 --> 02:07:21.359 I thought that the potential going in the off season 2679 02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:25.039 was making a decision on maybe one, two three players max, 2680 02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:30.239 but certainly not losing forty plus goals in one fell 2681 02:07:30.359 --> 02:07:32.680 swoop of one off season in Major League soccer. 2682 02:07:33.079 --> 02:07:35.960 My goodness, my goodness. All right, buddy, next time somebody 2683 02:07:35.960 --> 02:07:38.159 forwards me an article. When you're asked about the first 2684 02:07:38.159 --> 02:07:40.800 broadcasting job that you've ever had, please make sure that 2685 02:07:40.840 --> 02:07:43.920 it includes that the idiot that I heard talking they 2686 02:07:44.000 --> 02:07:46.520 knew nothing about soccer also petition to get me on 2687 02:07:46.600 --> 02:07:48.760 his show. I just want you to include that the 2688 02:07:48.800 --> 02:07:50.439 next time you're asked about it. I just want you 2689 02:07:50.439 --> 02:07:51.239 to include that piece. 2690 02:07:51.239 --> 02:07:51.560 Please. 2691 02:07:52.239 --> 02:07:55.439 Yeah, I just want everyone to know. Spence and Trey 2692 02:07:55.560 --> 02:07:58.680 were the first two people after I retired quote unquote 2693 02:07:59.159 --> 02:08:01.279 that I looked around and I said, let me know 2694 02:08:01.279 --> 02:08:03.479 when you guys want someone who knows what they're talking about. 2695 02:08:03.840 --> 02:08:07.800 And that was the start of my glorious involvement in 2696 02:08:07.840 --> 02:08:11.199 the media. What was that maybe May or June of 2697 02:08:11.239 --> 02:08:12.079 two thousand and six. 2698 02:08:12.199 --> 02:08:13.520 Somewhere there some are right in there. 2699 02:08:13.600 --> 02:08:15.359 Yeah, for sure, we go along. 2700 02:08:15.439 --> 02:08:17.680 We go way back, way back, Yes. 2701 02:08:17.560 --> 02:08:19.239 Sir, all right, brother, thanks for the time. I'd be 2702 02:08:19.279 --> 02:08:23.520 good with chat. Soom appreciation Brian done seth Apple TV. 2703 02:08:23.680 --> 02:08:25.119 You can hear them on the call for a lot 2704 02:08:25.119 --> 02:08:28.560 of the US men's national team matches as well. 2705 02:08:28.600 --> 02:08:30.239 And I think Donny put it really well. 2706 02:08:30.560 --> 02:08:32.840 If you are an RSL fan and I'm aware that 2707 02:08:32.880 --> 02:08:34.479 a few of you are not here from you from 2708 02:08:34.520 --> 02:08:38.720 time to time. This is a wild, wild approach for 2709 02:08:38.800 --> 02:08:40.600 a team that it appeared to have a lot of 2710 02:08:41.039 --> 02:08:42.640 really good things going for it. But I guess the 2711 02:08:42.640 --> 02:08:45.359 only time we'll tell Kurts a smart guy ownership is 2712 02:08:45.359 --> 02:08:48.119 showing the willingness and ability to write some checks, and 2713 02:08:48.159 --> 02:08:50.720 Pablo at this point probably deserves the benefit of the doubt. 2714 02:08:51.239 --> 02:08:53.760 Concacaf a few weeks away. The guys are the lads. 2715 02:08:53.960 --> 02:08:56.880 Here for the lads. They're gathering right now for camp