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Fight Weekend. No here is your host. DJ leaves. Well,

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we get ready for another weekend that does not have

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a major boxing main event. But wait a minute, don't

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get stop, don't leave, because we do have plenty to

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go over in terms of news, nostalgia, and much more.

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It is the Big Fight Weekend preview. I am the

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somewhat competent host TJ Reeves. Our insider is Dan Rayfield.

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Fight Freaks Unit is the substack and the newsletter. You

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should be on that because hey, you already found out

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about some of what we're about to talk about on

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the podcast if you were on the substack in the

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newsletter earlier this week. I love that. Good to be

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back with you. We never try to bs our way

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through any of this. We're straight with the audience. There's

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not a major main event again to preview. I keep

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lamenting that's the word. I think I got a twenty

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twenty five uh thing about the word lamenting. I keep

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lamenting that we need to have a prominent fight. We

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gotta we gotta wait. We gotta wait another week before NAO. Yeah,

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in a way is back. So that's not this weekend.

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But anyway, you and I are here because the peaks,

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the savages, they need to be fed, they need to know,

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they need to they need to have knowledge. They need

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to hear you and me going back and forth about

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the Sweet Science about eighties TV. I've had multiple people,

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as have you, that have reacted to you and I

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going back and forth about Dynasty and uh Charlie's Angels Voice,

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John Foresight, Mia Dallas and Miami Vice and Knots Landing

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Speaker 1: We should, we should bring this back up in another form,

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in another way, But I think we're good. I think

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we covered it for last week. Anyway, Thank you for

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finding us on all subject matter here. Make sure you follow,

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subscribe apples, prefer Spotify. We do our best to preview

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if there's something to preview going in the weekend. We're

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here even without a big time an event this weekend.

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We recap coming off the weekend again, Naoia in Away

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Fights next Friday morning, US time the twenty fourth. It's

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a little early for us to talk a lot about

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that on the pod. We'll do that on Sunday. Why

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don't we get right to the news.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot of news.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, Rafael Tyson Fury says he's retired again. Let's

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begin right there. I've heard does does anybody believe him?

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At this point? Does anybody? Does his wife believe him?

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Does anybody believe him?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Paris and I haven't had a conversation, so

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I can't tell you if she believes him, but given

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what's happened in the past three months from now, she

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might kick his re run out of the house.

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Speaker 1: And that's true. I think on my rayfaeld substack. Is

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this the fourth or the fifth or the twenty ninth

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time that he's is at least the fourth or the

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fifth that he's officially said I'm not fighting anymore, And

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like the third, the fourth, and the fifth when no

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one believes.

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Speaker 2: Him, I believe I believe this is actually the I mean, look,

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maybe I missed one or too. I think this is

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the fifth, Okay. I mean. The thing is he retired

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way back when when he was lined up to do

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a fight against David Hay, and two times the fight

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was postponed because David Hay was dealing with an injury.

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second time. That was Fury saying I'm retired. That was

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in like twenty thirteen. I want to say then after

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he defeated Vladimir Klitschko and became the heavyweight champion, he

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was going through all of his problems with alcohol and

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with drugs and with mental health, and you know, it

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was just a complete eyemare for him in his life

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at that point forgetting about boxing, and during that long

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period of time where he was off. He said he

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was retired twice again nobody believed. And now I don't

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know why you said it a second time when you

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already said it the first time, But that was clearly

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in a moment in time when he was having all

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kinds of personal problems. He had failed the test for cocaine,

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a VADA test, which I actually broke that story way

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back when it was just a whole big bunch of

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stuff going on. Was two times in there. Then, as

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fight against Dylan White, and then right after the Dylan

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White fight, he continually said this is my last fight.

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was back in the ring eight months later before the

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third fight he had against Derek Tasor, and then he

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his social media that was just a few days ago,

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sixteen seconds long. It wasn't like a long type of announcement,

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but he said, I'm done. I'm retired, and you know

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it's been fun. I love you all, God bless I

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mean so, like I do with all fighters, this is

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not exclusive to Tyson Currey. If the boxer says I'm retired,

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think at the moment. But I also know that fighters,

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like human beings in general, have the capability of changing

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their minds, and it seems to happen a lot more

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regularly with the boxer than it does maybe with your

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average person about whatever the topic is. So when he

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I'm retired, and he knows that he's retired multip times,

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he's a dummy. I figure in his heart he believes

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I'm done. That said Tyson Fury. As I've said before,

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a couple things. One, Tyson Fury loves the spotlight would

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you agree with that.

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Speaker 1: When you just said this, I was going to interject,

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thinks he's retired. I think he wants attention. He wants

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us to do what we're doing right now. I want

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to talk about him. I think that's what's behind this.

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Speaker 2: But he loves the spotlight. Number one, Yes, what's behind this?

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How many times has he said I'm a fighting man.

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I love to fight like that's what he's done since

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he's a kid. What the whole family does They're fighting people, right,

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he lost two fights in a row to Alexander Hussik,

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fair and square, but they were super close fights, no

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doubt about it. It wasn't like he looked like a

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completely shot fighter, or he got badly knocked out, or

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he couldn't perform at all. He just was out boxed

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by a superior talent that has a better rounded game

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than he does. The same way that Alexander Usik has

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done that to all of his opponents in the cruiserweight

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division and in the heavyweight division, including Anthony Joshua two times.

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like I said, But the fourth thing is he can

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still make piles and piles of money to fight, particularly

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if he were to do the matchup against Anthony Joshua,

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the fight that his country has wanted for years, the

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fight that fans have wanted for years, the fight that

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Turkey Alshik, who's been bankrolling both Anthony Joshua and Tyson

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Fury fights for the past year plus, wants to see.

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have been, we've said the same thing about what it

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would have been, perhaps with Wilder and Joshua Fury against

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Joshua with no titles, no undefeated wreckers, no pound for

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poundshit whatever, it's still a big freaking fight, And for

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all the negatives about it, it will still put a ton

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of asses in a ton of seats in a big

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stadium wherever they choose to do it in the UK.

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around like it did in other times, but he'll be back.

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some wars fair enough, but he's still in his in

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his thirties. He's not a totally old man, and he's

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still competed, you know, within a point or two of

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the pound for pound number one guy out there in

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Alexander Hussik, so for for sixteen seconds in his announcement.

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I'll take him at his word, but I believe that,

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like he has done a thousand times, or at least

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four times or five times. Anyway, we'll change his mind

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and we'll see the big man back in the ring,

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because he's not turning down a fifty.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think he thinks he's retired.

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I think he's doing this for attention, and we'll we'll

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have more. You will find out more. The British press

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will find out more when the talks start up on winning.

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Where is he fighting Anthony Joshua for how much? In

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the spring or the summer? Is it in Saudi Arabia?

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Is it at Wembley? Where is it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, just.

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Speaker 1: Glad you didn't go down the road of well, we

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need to talk about his career and his career versus

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other ones and whatever, because.

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Speaker 2: I've been doing that on Twitter for a while.

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Speaker 1: I know you have. He's not retired, he's going to fight.

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Speaker 2: The thing about is where he is right now in

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his career and what he's already accomplished. And even if

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you think he's gonna come back, even if he does

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come back, it's not like he's got years and years

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and years right left, at least not in terms of

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at the upper level of the division. So his legacy,

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his resume, if you will his you know, ticking down

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when you go to Stay, vote for the Hall of fame,

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or you do determine where he belongs in terms of

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an all time list once he's done, most of those

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accomplishments are already already there. In other words, he could

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still add a thing here. There is it capable of

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winning another belt. I guess in the right circumstance, if

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they fracture in the right matchup, presents itself fine. But

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his resume at the level that you'll dissect in terms

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of where he is in terms of his all time level,

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I believe has largely been solidified.

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Speaker 1: You would put him in if he doesn't fight again,

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you would put him in right now. You think put

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him awhere, you put him in the Hall of Fame,

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you think it's there.

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Speaker 2: There's no question about that. It's there, all right, But

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Hall of Fame, there's guys who are the elite. Elite

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talked about it off and then there's always a guy

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that if you match him up against all the others,

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somebody that's gonna be classified as the worst Hall of Famer.

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If that's such a thing, Tyson's the least or the

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least the least. So the conversation that has been taking

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place that I've been dealing with in my social media,

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which is wild some of the stuff I see. I

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made the point that Tyson Fury, if he retires now,

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is not an all time top ten heavyweight, but he's

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to be quite honest with you. But you can maybe

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make the argument that he's somewhere in that top fifteen

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or twenty, and wherever Alexander Rusk eventually winds up, because

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his the career is not over, either is gonna probably

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be ahead of Tyson Fury. Now they're oksik is so active,

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we'll see what happens. He has far fewer heavyweight fights.

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I think some people confuse the greatness of him as

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an overall boxer, taking into account his heavyweight accomplishments, his

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cruiser weight accomplishments, and his Olympic gold medal, and his

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amazing amateur career. But as a heavyweight specifically, he's had

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seven fights against you know where. Two of them were

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against Fury, two of them were against Joshua. And he's

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done great things, but it's not enough in my mind

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to be at the level where you're saying, talk about

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the the top ten guys for example.

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Speaker 1: For example, we spent about ten minutes on the last podcast.

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If they didn't hear it, go back and listen talking

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about George Foreman, Joe Fraser and Muhammad Ali. And I realized,

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for the Brits, we could be accused as Yanks of

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being somehow maligning the brit But this guy, the Southern phrase,

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don't hold a candle to those three guys, and.

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Speaker 2: So Lennox Lewis don't hold the candle Lennox Lewis either.

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Speaker 1: And he's a bread that's right, and he's a breat

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that's a good.

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Speaker 2: Point, Lennix Lewis is you know, in.

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many fights, because there isn't there is an argument that

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he basically has beaten one significant guy, Deontay Wilder, twice.

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Speaker 2: Saying post so you're not getting the.

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Speaker 1: Holes clitch goo post clitchcow. After he went off the

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deep end. He's basically beaten one guy twice significance.

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Speaker 2: I will give him credit also for the Dylan White victory.

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Speaker 1: That's done all time. That's not an all time memorable.

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the spectacle, But Dyllon White is not gonna get anywhere

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near the Hall of.

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Speaker 2: Fame like a ticket in the in the in the

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pantheon of the current group of heavyweights that were available

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for a possibility for Tyson Pior to fight Dylan White

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was an upper echelon heavyweight at that time and he

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beat him easily. So I.

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Speaker 1: Think I think Wilder has an argument. I'm not saying

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we're gonna talk about Wilder in a few minutes. Wilder

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has an argument potentially for the Hall of Fame. I

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don't know that he's in. You're better. You're better to

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judge historically, we can both go back and forth. But

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Dylan Dillion White doesn't have any argument for the Hall

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of Fame as whole, as far as a great fighter.

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Speaker 2: And that was not the point I was.

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Speaker 1: I understand, But I mean.

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Speaker 2: If you look at Tyson Fury, Post, Clitchkow, the fighters

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that he defeated other than Wilder, the next best guy

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is his White, Dylan White, because I can't give him

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a tremendous amount of credit for Safari and Otto Waalen

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and Tom and I mean and Derek Tasora the.

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Speaker 1: Third tounching Bag third fight. Yes, you know, that's all.

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And by the way, Francis Singanu, which was embarrassing and

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it's an actual fight. It was an embarrassing performance by him.

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Speaker 2: So right, So he's always you're saying, so, I mean, well,

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I think we think he'll be back.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you he will be back this summer whenever

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they're paying him to fight Anthony Joshua. And that's coming

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on a on a separate show as their own main

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event outside of the other stuff they're doing with the

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read season. Stay tuned. Okay, So while we're on that theme,

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let's talk about a fight that is actually going to happen,

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and that is Chris U Bank Junior and Connor Benn.

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It is signed, It is April to twenty sixth, and

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tell me more about what else you've learned about how

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this got done and what's in it.

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Speaker 2: So this is Turkey Alshik who was in London. Now,

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remember Turkey bought the Ring Magazine had their big gala

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to announce the winners of the twenty twenty four Ring

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Magazine Awards the Fighter of the Year. It was actually

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a nice ceremony. I watched it online. They did a

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good job with it. Michael Buffer was the MC. It

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was nice. But anyway, a lot of fighters were there,

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and when Turkey was in London, he spent a lot

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of time meeting with a lot of people trying to

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lock up a lot of deals and fights. And if

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you took a look at the types of guys who

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was meeting with Canelo Alvarez for example, and Connor Benn

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and Chris U Bank and plenty of other fighters that

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he's looking to do business with, and they were able

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to finally get the deal done. Now, obviously they have promoters.

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Connor Ben is with match from Boxing and Chris u

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and Turkey was involved in in the room getting these

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guys to sign their contracts separately and take care of business.

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So look, we all know what happened back in twenty

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twenty twenty twenty two, I should say Connor Ben during

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the week they were supposed to fight each other. It

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was a huge fight pay per view at the two

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Arena in London. It's going to be a big deal.

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The week of the fight, Connor Ben had a positive

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vot of drug tests come out publicly come to light

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and let's just call what it is. It is the

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promoters of that event were very much ready willing and

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able to put that under the rug and let the

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fight happen. But thankfully, and I can't remember which newspaper

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was one of the British newspapers and one of the

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boxing writers there and off top that I don't remember

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it was, but props to them because they publicly put

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it out and it puts so much intense pressure everybody

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that they were forced correctly to cancel the event instead

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of allowing it to take place. Two and a half

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years later, connor Ben has been through the litigation, gone

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through the battle, not been forthcoming frankly during the whole

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course of this. Got to fight two times in the

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United States on a technicality. But after all big back

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and forth, which you don't have to get into the details,

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his suspension was lifted. He's eligible now to get a

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license in Great Britain, which is his home country, which

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is the place where he means something commercially, where he

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has fans and Chris Eubank. After the fight was canceled,

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he went through his own situation. He had the two

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fights with William Smith. He got a big knockout loss

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and an upset in the first fight, got a big

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revenge win in the knockout. In the rematch fought in

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October on the undercart of Better bf B BOL number

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one scored a knockout victory against Zara Meta, who had

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fought Glovekin for the Middleway title, and obviously after that

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fight was over, connor Ben jumped in the ring. I

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had the photo op and it became a thing where

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now all the heats starting, can we get the rematch

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done now? While they were trying to make the rematch,

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there was a lot of conversation, perhaps just as a

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negotiating ploy, that Connor ben was also interested to perhaps

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challenge Mario Barrios for the WBC welterweight title. But in

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the end, I think we all knew the biggest fight

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commercially and the most meaningful fight for them as just

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because of the background of their fathers and the great

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fights that Nigel pen and Chris Senior had against each other,

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which are still legendary in the British boxing scene, it

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was inevitable they were going to make this match. And

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so it wasn't even the money, because Turkey had that

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taken care of. It was some other things. It was

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mainly it got down to the rehydration clause and when

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they were supposed to meet the first time, it was

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a one hundred and fifty seven pound catchweight fight. Chris

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Ubank has been a middleweight and even before that, fought

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for many years as a super middleweight. Connor is a

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welterweight and frankly not that big of a a welterweight.

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over one hundred and fifty pounds. He was fighting as

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a generally a junior middleweight, but with plans to fight

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again as a welterweight. So they agreed to one hundred

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and sixty pounds for the fight middleweight limit, So props

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to Connor for going up that much. But then it

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became a battle about the rehydration clause, and in the end,

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despite Chris u Bank not being thrilled about it, they

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ultimately settled it's going to be one hundred and seventy

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pounds rehydration claus So they got a weigh in no

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more than one sixty on the day you know of

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the weigh in, and then the following morning, you know,

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many hours prior to the fight. Neither of them can

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weigh more than one hundred and seventy pounds without significant

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financial penalties. I don't know the specific specifics of what

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those penalties will be, but you can debt on it.

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It will be several hundred.

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Speaker 1: I understand, and include one more thing. They're supposed to

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fight two phones. It's a fight deal, right, all right.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people that reported on it said

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it's it's they just made a deal. I reported on it,

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and it is in fact a two fight deal. They

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will have the first fight April twenty six. Now Turkey

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in his post on his social media just said we

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got the deal done April London. My reporting says April

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twenty six. I have not reported on the venue. There

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have been reports out there that's going to be the

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Tottenham Hotspur Arena Stadium, which a London stadium. It's smaller

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than Wembley, but it's a big stadium.

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Speaker 1: It's a series I know because I've been there. Yeah,

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the NFL keeps playing there. It's a sixty five thousand

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seats sock. We'll do a huge class facility. And it's

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in North London and that is where Joshua and Usik

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fought their first battle in twenty one in front of

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a packed house. Massive. So that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: And if I'm not mistaken, I think Tyson Fury fought

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one of his fights.

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Speaker 1: Are all the thing that I was coming to as well.

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What's the stipulations with Vada and drug testing? Because call

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me the jaded older, get off my lawn skeptic. Is

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Connor Ben gonna make it to April without screwing up again,

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without having done something. So what do we know? Was

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there anything about the testing or we don't know?

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Speaker 2: In your I'm sure there's testing. I just don't know

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the specifics of the testing in terms of by the way,

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just so you know, in terms of that stadium, the

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Tottenham Hotspur stament, it's also where Fury had the third

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fight against Derek Tesaura in December of twenty twenty two,

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there will be testing, I am sure in terms of

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the test in terms of the matchup for Ben and

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you Bank and anyway to to finish the point, though

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they signed for the April fight, it is a fight

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deal regardless of the winner. A lot of times in

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rematch clause type language, the loser has the option whether

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they want to do the rematch. In this particular case,

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the way I understand, and this is from multiple people

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who are directly involved with the event, is that is

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not the case. This is strictly a two fight deal.

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Whoever wins, whoever loses, is down to the rematch as

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long as I guess Turkey wants to do it. And

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so the second fight though is due contractually what I

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am told to take place before the end of twenty

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and twenty five, which means probably in December.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, because you and I have been

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doing this for a while now, over the last three

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years or so, this is not uncommon. For example, George

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Cambosis made Devin Haney agree to a two fight deal

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in a rematch. We saw that Terrence Crawford and Errold

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Spence had a two fight deal, but it had a

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time limit on it. Notice how I remember what we

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talk about in What We Do, and the time limit

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expired on that. And also Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder

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had a two fight deal and then you had all

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the craziness with the twenty twenty year and the time

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limit expired and was he free to fight Anthony Joshua

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or not. So I'm just making the point. The two

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fight deals going in it's a two fight deal, no

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matter what. Are not that uncommon in recent bodies.

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Speaker 2: I can't stand those kind of deals, but it is

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what it is.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, they're trying to get paid and they're trying

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to protect I guess whoever loses from Hey, I don't

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get my rematch at any point.

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Speaker 2: All I know is this two and a half years later,

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after Connor Ben tested positive for performance stancing drugs and

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actually had any second test that he found also that

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was done prior to that under the WBC's Queen Boxing program.

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Two and a half years later, they are finally going

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to fight each other. You know, I know a lot

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of people are still ticked off about the drug testing situation,

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not because Connor didn't set out a period of time,

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because he still has never really come clean in my

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opinion about it.

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Speaker 1: We talked a little at the time. I remember what

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we talked about, because he tested positive for clomaphene, which

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is clomid, which is a fertility drug that the male

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body doesn't make. It's a female drug.

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Speaker 2: That's the news of the day. That's what's happening.

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Speaker 1: So that one, that one is done, and it's April

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twenty six. Stand by, We have a ways to go

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before we get there. But April twenty six in London

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and very possibly Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. You're hearing that the

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Brits are gonna get on you for calling it Tottenham.

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Speaker 2: By the way, what is it called Tottenham?

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Speaker 1: They just called Tottenham. Let's continue with the news, Hey,

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money talks and let's stick with the theme. The Turkey,

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Ala Chic and the Riad season have apparently gotten Devin

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Hainey and Ryan Garcia together. We got more layers to

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this than a week of the Young and the restless

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on what we have to sort out?

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Speaker 2: Oh right, Just for the record, I'm like a I'm

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a probably since the late nineteen seventies, long time die

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hard daily viewer of General Hospital, not General.

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Speaker 1: Little more so than than the lion they are. But

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in any event, don't go down the road now for

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arguing with me about which one's better. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying I don't care Central for years.

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Speaker 1: But back to Devin Haney and his lawsuit again. You

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were writing on your substack that would maybe it wouldn't

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maybe it would be a big obstacle here to this happening.

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Ryan Garcia being suspended, which he still is, that's an obstacle.

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We apparently have cleared some obstacles here, tell me, tell

474
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,400
me more, but these guys are actually gonna fight coming up,

475
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Give me the details.

476
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Speaker 2: So I have done a lot of reporting. You can

477
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read the story on my newsletter website substack. Dan Rayfield

478
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,680
dot com dot substack dot com sign up for the

479
00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:35,680
newsletter you can read all about it. Anyway, here's the point.

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We all know. They had a highly controversial fight that

481
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took place this past April that that that Ryan Garcia

482
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,599
won by majority decision. He scored three knockdowns on left

483
00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:48,960
hooks against Devin Haney, who missed weight. Ryan Garcia missed

484
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,000
the weight was ineligible to fight for the WBC's Junior

485
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welterweight title that Devin Haney had or that he has

486
00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:58,519
since vacated. The point, though, is when that was over,

487
00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:01,599
we all know what's been discussed a million times. Ryan

488
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Garcia had his own his own drug testing problems. He

489
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failed for ostering. Not only did he fail A and

490
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B sample multiple tests on the day of the fight

491
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and the post fight, but when the fight results came back,

492
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the New York State Athletic Commission had taken their own samples,

493
00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:20,319
had those samples retested, and they failed for ostering also,

494
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So he had a VADA test failures A and B

495
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two different tests. He also then had a sample tested

496
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for the same substance because the New York Commission doesn't

497
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typically test for that. But when they found out that

498
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,039
his VODA sample was positive. They had that test and

499
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it failed for us. So he was dirty as a

500
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three dollar bill. It was the bottom line, and he

501
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got suspended for a year by the New York State

502
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Athletic Commission, backdated to the April date of the fight.

503
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He was fined ten grand, which was the maximum the

504
00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:47,960
Commission can find him. But as part of the settlement

505
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,519
agreement he signed. This was him and his lawyer. They

506
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,880
did it. It wasn't like they had a choice, but they

507
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,839
put pen to paper. He forfeited his entire official one

508
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:02,000
point one million dollar perse so and hasn't fought since.

509
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,400
And even when he was going to come back and

510
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,160
fight for a certain amount of money in this exhibition

511
00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:08,599
now in Japan, he got an injury and that thing

512
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,039
got canceled. Who hasn't been paid in a while, so

513
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he's paying a price.

514
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Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, and never let it be said

515
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,359
that I don't listen to you and pay attention. He accepted,

516
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,279
essentially like a plea deal with the New York Commission,

517
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,400
sign because they were potentially going to give him a

518
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,920
two year suspension. He was going to take the chance

519
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,559
that they were going to bang the gavel even worse.

520
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,000
Did I remember that part correct?

521
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Speaker 2: I think you are correct about that. The point is

522
00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:35,839
he took the settlement agreement and that does not expire

523
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,720
until April, but he still has to make He still

524
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has the things he has to do for the Commission

525
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before he can get re license, including providing you a

526
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clean drugs, a clean year and sample, or you know,

527
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:48,039
whatever they asked him to do in terms of the

528
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,359
drug testing. But this fight, with his next fight would

529
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take place after he would be re licensed, like he's

530
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as long as he doesn't force a drug test when

531
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he goes to get the license, New York State will

532
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give him the license back. So he'll he gotta figure

533
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,799
come mid April, he'll have a license back.

534
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,039
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is they're not fighting immediately, right

535
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,759
There's a build up, So that's kind of intriguing, would

536
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:09,200
tell me more.

537
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 2: Well, So part of the reason for that, I think,

538
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,240
and I don't even think it's it's it's unreasonable because

539
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,880
Devin and Ryan neither one of them have fought since

540
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,680
April of last year when they had their first fight.

541
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,039
Devon has been out and Ryan has been out because

542
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,880
of the suspension. And then obviously he still got to

543
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,960
deal with the wrist injury and getting that he's having Supposedly,

544
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,160
you know, he said in the end of December early

545
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,720
January that he's having a procedure done to fix up

546
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:32,559
the risk. So he's gonna have some time to do

547
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,200
in terms of his rehab from that. But anyway, the

548
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,480
plan is that they will fight in May, probably on

549
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:41,279
the same card with each other somewhere in the United States,

550
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,720
and if they're both successful, they will then have the rematch,

551
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,880
and that rematch will take place in October, and supposedly

552
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that will be the opening event of the READ season

553
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,039
next year. Remember when Fury fought in Naganu that was

554
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the opening of the previous READ season or the first

555
00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:00,000
one in twenty twenty three. The twenty twenty four October

556
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,079
date was better bill one that opened the READ season.

557
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:07,240
They're looking at Garcia and Devin Haney to open the

558
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:09,880
next READ season in twenty twenty five. It will also

559
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,599
just so people are clear, their first fight was one

560
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,000
hundred and forty pound world title fight that Haini made

561
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,279
the weight for, but Ryan was one hundred and forty

562
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:20,279
three point two. He was way overweight, bragged about dranking

563
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and running around during his training camp. This fight is

564
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contracted at one hundred and forty seven pounds, which is

565
00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:30,039
the welterweight limit. Not a world title fight like the

566
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:34,640
first fight was, but still, you know, a significant fight

567
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because of the name value and also I think in

568
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terms of the fact that they're taking interim bouts, it

569
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does give Devin Haney an opportunity, who's never fought above

570
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one hundred and forty pounds, to at least have one

571
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,319
fight in the new weight division before he gets back

572
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:49,279
in there with Ryan, who obviously you know, ignored the

573
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:51,880
weight limit for the first fight, was going to fight

574
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at one hundred and fifty three pounds in that postponed

575
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:57,960
slash canceled exhibition that was supposed to take place in

576
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Japan against the kickbox from before he saw for the injury.

577
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,200
So the plan is fight each other in October as

578
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long as they win these supposed tune up slash interim

579
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:09,599
fights that will take place in the month of May

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somewhere in the United States. So that so, but that again,

581
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,640
that was Turkey in London taking care of business because

582
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,559
and Ryan Garcia were on hand for that ring magazine Gallop.

583
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: And the lawsuit you reported on this Oh yeah, so

584
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there a lawsuit.

585
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me get to that. The two things

586
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,720
that have been preventing it been being one hundred percent

587
00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:32,640
like sign sealed and delivered. Two things. One, what's the

588
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:35,359
drug testing, right? You know, remember we talked about this

589
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,839
a week or two ago. Devin Hainey signed up with

590
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,880
Vodaforth twenty four seven three sixty five drug testing random

591
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anytime day or night between now and whenever that expires,

592
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,960
which is like next January sometime, and he wanted Ryan

593
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,559
Garcia to undergo the that similar kind of testing, at

594
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:54,519
least in terms of their fights. So my understanding is this,

595
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:57,839
he's not yet agreed to it, and there ain't gonna

596
00:27:57,839 --> 00:27:59,319
be a fucking fight if he doesn't agree to it.

597
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,240
So he's gonna have no choice but to do it,

598
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,559
because then he should, because he's the guy that felled

599
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:07,759
the test. So upon signing the documents, he will then

600
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,240
be supposedly under he's got to sign up for it,

601
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but he'll be doing random VODA drug testing that will

602
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,119
commence with the signing of the agreement and will go

603
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,200
through not only the build up to the May fight,

604
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:23,000
but all it'll keep going after that through the October fight,

605
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,920
So basically Ryan will be on the hook for you know,

606
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,000
the random drug testing from whenever he signs, presumably sometime

607
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:33,440
in January, perhaps February, all the way through whenever they

608
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:35,599
do the fight in October, would you know, presumably be

609
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,000
that you know, second week or so of October, So

610
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:41,119
he'll be doing it throughout that rest of the you know,

611
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,519
for that port of part of this year. And as

612
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,200
part of that, we all know and we've talked about that,

613
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:50,000
Ryan Garcia got a lawsuit filed against him for a

614
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:52,720
battery and other stuff by Devin Haney for doing what

615
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,400
he did for missing weight and you know, all the business.

616
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,759
Speaker 1: That brought up the stuff about Haney and the VADA

617
00:28:57,839 --> 00:28:59,759
said is it still a thing? And you said, yes,

618
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,960
I know, it's still a thing.

619
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:05,839
Speaker 2: So the lawsuit is still in place. But they have

620
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,559
gone to the court and I have the document where

621
00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:11,480
they've asked the court to ask for like a ninety

622
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:15,200
day stay, basically telling the court we've come to an agreement,

623
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,720
but because of whatever the rules are, they have to

624
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:21,359
wait before they actually officially drop it. But it's gonna

625
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:23,480
get dropped as soon as, you know, they agree on

626
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,319
the drug testing I'm assuming that, but the lawyer and

627
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:28,920
not only is it going to drop the lawsuit against

628
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:32,039
between Ryan and Devin, but it would also drop the

629
00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:35,960
suit against Golden Boy and the Strength coach. And so

630
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:39,400
I'll reread just a brief portion of it. It says the

631
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,279
court having been advised that there is a tentative settlement

632
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,880
has been reached in the above matter meeting the case.

633
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,480
We just mentioned that the long form agreements still have

634
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:51,599
to be drafted. Point they're saying is they're telling the

635
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,559
court we have a deal. We have to still get

636
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,279
our long form agreements set, we have to sign it.

637
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,599
It's going to take it's about ninety days, blah blah.

638
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,000
But let the corporate known that we're gonna get getting

639
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:05,680
rid of this lawsuit. So everything is, the wheels are

640
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,400
in motion. But Garcia's still got to sign up for

641
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,720
the VADA test and that's the pivotal part. And then

642
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,240
the losser will get dropped because that's the leverage that

643
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,839
was in here. Lawsuit will get will go away, and

644
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,640
they can settle their differences in the ring with their

645
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,079
fists and beat the shit out of each other.

646
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:22,359
Speaker 1: But there will be fights in between. And we saw

647
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,079
what happened with the Joshua and we're gonna talk more

648
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:28,400
about and Wilder here in just a second. This this

649
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,240
is what can happen, is that it can get screwed

650
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,440
up down the road. And of course Ryan Garcia, let's

651
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,480
be honest, he got arrested again since then for vandalism

652
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,000
that eventually got dropped. There are a lot of question

653
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,839
marks about him, including another hand injury, which is the

654
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:43,720
second time that he's had hand surgery. If he did

655
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,480
in fact have hand surgery, there's a lot of question

656
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,680
marks and around us, all right. So speaking of Joshua

657
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,519
and Wilder, what is on my rundown that this is

658
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:55,640
actually seriously being discussed that they may still fight each

659
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,599
other coming up there, especially if Tyson Fury is retired,

660
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,000
which we don't believe, all right, So what else here

661
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:04,519
with uh?

662
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: When when Turkey was in London doing being there for

663
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:10,319
several days, tiding up some of these deals, doing the

664
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,759
ring magazine thing, he did an interview with talkSPORT, which

665
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:16,200
is the big sports radio station in the UK. Uh

666
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,160
I do a segment on talkSPORT every Monday night. We

667
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,240
talked boxing. So among the many things he talked about

668
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:24,119
in the interview of fights he wants to make this

669
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,559
and that, talking about how he's gonna leave Tyson Fury

670
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,480
alone and at some point they'll go talk to him

671
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,119
the see if he really wants to say retired or

672
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:32,319
come back. But he made the point in this interview.

673
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:33,920
This is one of the nuggets that I that I

674
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,720
heard from it. I quote from Turkey al Hic. I

675
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,000
want to see Joshua Wilder. Now, if Tyson is not available,

676
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:44,079
why not Joshua and Wilder? Well, they tried to make

677
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,480
I mean, I didn't even know where to start with this.

678
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:46,920
I mean we all know that back.

679
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: Why Why is because Wilder is a shot fighter and

680
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,599
it's and it there's an argument you can make that

681
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,160
Joshua look like a shot fighter against Daniel.

682
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,079
Speaker 2: Dubois, understand, but the point is, yeah, I mean that

683
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,160
you're right now. They had to look. It's similar to

684
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:05,079
Joshua and Fury. There was years that went by where

685
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:06,799
that fight should have happened, and it did not happen.

686
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,039
And it's shameful that they never made the match, even

687
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:11,400
though there was overtures at various times to try to

688
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,799
get the job done, but it did not happen. However,

689
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,200
if you go back to, you know, at previous when

690
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,160
they were both they finally had gotten the deal done,

691
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,160
is the point, and they were gonna fight, even though

692
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,319
it still wasn't as big as of a deal as

693
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,599
it should have been because they were no longer undefeated fighters.

694
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,920
They were not going to be in a world championship fight.

695
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,200
Remember when they would have fought the first time, it

696
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,400
would have been for the undisputed title. That was when

697
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,680
when Joshua had three belts and the other belt was

698
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,680
held by Deontay Wilder had the WBC title. But when

699
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,599
they finally were doing the fight, remember the day of

700
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Reckoning card December of twenty twenty three, they had finally

701
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,400
and remember I reported that they had a deal done

702
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,720
and Eddie Hern you know, said bullshit, it wasn't true,

703
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,519
And in fact, it was true. I was one hundred

704
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,319
percent accurate with every single fucking dot and comma that

705
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:57,799
I reported. But the fact is, on that show, while

706
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:02,519
Anthony Joshua knocked out Otto w Aalen in round number five, unfortunately,

707
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:06,640
on the undercard, Joseph Parker won a lopsided decision and

708
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,160
defeated Deontay Wilder, at which point that fight went down

709
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,720
the drain and even off that lost you know, Deontay dinkadz.

710
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,119
You know, he lost the decision. But even when he

711
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,279
came back and fought his next fight, even if there

712
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:19,559
was a minute hope that it might still happen, he

713
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:21,759
got knocked the fuck out by a big, big bang

714
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,759
jan brutally and brutally knocked out in round number five.

715
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,400
That was in June of this past year. So he's

716
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,799
now lost four of his last five fights. The knockout

717
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:34,920
lost to Jang. The lopside had lost to Parker, a

718
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,359
big knockout in the Great fight against Fury in their

719
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,440
third fight, and a one sided ass kicking knockout in

720
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,079
the second fight against Furry. The only fight that Deontay

721
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:46,480
has won since twenty twenty is a first round knockout

722
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:51,680
against the you know long passes day Robert Helenius, not

723
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:53,160
exactly something the Hanger had of.

724
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:55,079
Speaker 1: Which lasted like a minute and a half and was

725
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:58,079
one punch and yeah, so.

726
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: It actually lasted two minutes and fifty seven.

727
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: With the one with the one.

728
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,279
Speaker 2: I know because I made the trip to New York

729
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:06,559
for that, I don't I.

730
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: Don't have any interest anymore in seeing I don't think

731
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,559
some of them have anything left, but go ahead.

732
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,119
Speaker 2: I still think Fury and Joshua has meaning at least

733
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,400
in terms of them against each other for their country,

734
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,360
even if it's not for a title. Fury may not

735
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,280
be what he was, but he's still really good. As

736
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,920
I mentioned, Joshua, you know, was still the jury's out

737
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,679
after that big, devastating loss to Duba. But I'm over.

738
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,559
I mean, I'm dead serious when I say this. I

739
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,360
am over Wilder and Joshua. That fight is dick right now.

740
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,480
It doesn't mean shit. I mean, if it happens, obviously

741
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,199
because I watch boxing, I'll watch it. But I don't

742
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,079
give a fuck about that fight at all. I don't

743
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:51,159
know how much more clear I can be. Wilder is finished.

744
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:53,719
We all know it. They're making plans for him maybe

745
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,920
to come back on a small car with BLK Prime,

746
00:34:57,199 --> 00:35:01,519
potentially against you know, the rank journeyman Curtis Harper. I'm

747
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:03,480
not even sure Deontay wins that fight, to tell you

748
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,639
the truth, but you know, good luck to him. This

749
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,880
is not an anti Deontay Wilder ran. I'm just saying

750
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,960
in terms of his career where it is, it's very questionable.

751
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,440
He can get back to any kind of level Joshua.

752
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:17,679
The jury's out, but I suspect.

753
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,519
Speaker 1: No, we're way past the cell by date here.

754
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: Deontay Wilder against Anthony Joshua would have been the biggest

755
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:32,079
fight in boxing circa two thousand nineteen, before Joshua lost

756
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,840
to Andy Ruiz at a time when Deontay was still

757
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,800
undefeated and they held all the titles. That's six years ago,

758
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:40,480
my friend.

759
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,119
Speaker 1: Yep.

760
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: So we're done with that.

761
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: And both have been knocked out, and both have been

762
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:50,239
knocked out badly Ruiz on Joshua and then Daniel Dubois

763
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,440
recently on Joshua. And as you mentioned, Wilder took two

764
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:58,280
bad beatings from Tyson Fury and then a brutal knockout

765
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:58,800
to Jang.

766
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: I'm with you, so, I mean, if Turkey wants to

767
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,519
make the fight, I think I'd rather see him spend

768
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:06,719
his millions making something much different than that.

769
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: One other news item. And then we're gonna tie Deontay

770
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,760
Wilder into the nostalgia, and then we are done on

771
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:18,039
this pod Oscar Duarte and Regis pro Gray is now

772
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:22,199
finalized and the local is finalized, and it's coming up.

773
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,679
We're gonna finally, We're gonna finally get a Golden Boys show.

774
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,159
I keep harping on this, will somebody put a show

775
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,880
on in January? Nobody did. We're gonna get a Golden

776
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,360
Boys show soon, right.

777
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: February fifteenth, Golden Bay has a smaller card, you know,

778
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,639
one of their fight night cards, but in terms of

779
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:40,599
their main, bigger name cards, they're doing this card. The

780
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:42,559
main event of the of their designed card will be

781
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:46,360
the junior walterweight fight, a twelve rounder Begineen Oscar Duarte

782
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,960
and Regis pro Gray. It set. It's scheduled to take

783
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,079
place at the Honda Center in Anaheim, California. And you know,

784
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:55,119
Golden Boys, they're they're doing a good thing here. They've

785
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:57,519
they've they've announced that they have their small fight night

786
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,800
card that they're going to donate all of the proceeds

787
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,079
from their ticket sales to the Firefighters Foundation for all

788
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,840
the work they've done fighting the wildfires. Uh. And then

789
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,880
they're also going to give away a bunch of tickets

790
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,960
for the program Duarte fight for first responders and their

791
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,280
families to have a good night out at the fights,

792
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,559
you know, just their appreciation of the of course, Golden

793
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:19,199
Boy being a Southern California company. You know, they're right

794
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,199
in the thick of all this. Good for them, that's good.

795
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,079
So in terms of the fight itself, Duarte against Program.

796
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,119
Look Duarte, Uh, you know, we saw him getting knocked

797
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,079
up by Ryan Garcia, but he's looked good since then.

798
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,880
He had the big win against Acmadoff on the Latino

799
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,559
and Night card that took place in read Uh. And

800
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:37,599
you know, he's an exciting fighter. He's got a got

801
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,320
a good good uh good style to watch. He's got

802
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,360
a lot of knockouts, you know, a solid, come forward

803
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,199
kind of guy. Welcome on my TV, my screen, my

804
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,039
device anytime.

805
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

806
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: And and maybe he can get better. I don't hold

807
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,880
the loss to Ryan Garcia against him. I mean, guys

808
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,079
are gonna lose sometimes, so but he's really the A

809
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,920
side because it's Regis program. He's got the name, former

810
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,000
two time title holder in the weight class. But as

811
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,199
looked really bad in recent fights. It's up to Oscar

812
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,079
Duarte to show the world and Regis that he shouldn't

813
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,079
have come back, that he should have retired like he

814
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,079
said he was considering after the last fight, and hand

815
00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:12,800
him he had a third loss in a row because

816
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,119
pro Grey, who has been a fine fighter, a great

817
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,159
guy to deal with, a fun fighter to watch, you know,

818
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,960
just a good dude. But it's not just that he lost.

819
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,199
He looked terrible. The two fights ago he lost to

820
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:28,400
Devin Haney when he lost his title shutout, got knocked

821
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,880
down by Hane, who's not a big puncher. That was

822
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,039
in December of twenty twenty three, just completely got annihilated

823
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,679
in terms of the points shutout plus the was a

824
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,480
one twenty to one oh seven on all three scorecards.

825
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,440
And then he came back in in October of last

826
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,760
year he fought Jack Catterall and he lost a lopsided

827
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,320
decision in that fight also and looked bad. And so

828
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,000
now we'll see if Oscar Duarte can make it three

829
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,719
times the charm in terms of looking bad against program.

830
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,400
But that said, it would still be based on the names.

831
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,639
It would still be the biggest profile victory of Oscar

832
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,599
Dwarti day Sport if he can get that. So we'll see.

833
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,159
You know, I usually say like Regi's program makes good

834
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,840
fights also, but the reality is the last two haven't

835
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:09,880
even really been good fights.

836
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,519
Speaker 1: We talked about it, and there's concern that he is

837
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,679
basically done because he's what thirty five, Yeah, thirty five

838
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,199
or thirty six, No, he's thirty five. And is he now?

839
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:24,079
Is he now just a B side opponent named opponent's.

840
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: A he's a great name opponent. It's up to Regis

841
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,079
to show that he's more than that and that these

842
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:31,840
are just two blips on the radar. I don't think

843
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,559
that's the case because, as we have talked about, even

844
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:36,639
when he won his previous fight before Hani, he looked

845
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:37,519
real bad.

846
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah Zarea in New Orleans. It was awful.

847
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: It was lucky to get the win in that fight.

848
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: All right. So February fifteenth, Anaheim Golden Boy to his

849
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,920
own show for Duarte and Progre. So we have that

850
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,480
one on the dock, and that's coming a few weeks

851
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,760
from now. Let's finish with some nostalgia. It was twenty

852
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,920
six years ago as we released the podcast on January

853
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,880
sixteenth of nineteen ninety nine here on this Thursday and

854
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:05,000
to Friday that after an eighteen month go away because

855
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:08,880
of the whole stuff with the Evander Holyfield earbiting, Mike

856
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:14,880
Tyson returned to the ring and fought Franz Botha Francois Botha.

857
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,719
All right, so tell me more about this because we

858
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,679
waited in the nostalgia in the way back now, we

859
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,800
waited for a while. And uh, it's not one of

860
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,559
his more memorable fights because obviously he had one more

861
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:33,079
big memorable one with Lennox Lewis after that. But tell

862
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:35,519
me what we remember what about It.

863
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: Was maybe not a memorable fight, but certainly a memorable knockout.

864
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,239
I mean, this was Mike Tyson like it was. It

865
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,079
was harkened back to like those big monster knockouts of

866
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:46,960
the eighties. The difference though, between the big monster knockouts

867
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,119
of the eighties and what he did against Francois Botha

868
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,119
on this night is that in the big knockouts of

869
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,119
the eighties, and up until the moment where he scored

870
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:54,880
the knockout, he was usually beating the you know, beating

871
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,760
the guy, and there was no question was winning the

872
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,519
fight against Francois Botha. This is like you said, Mike

873
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:02,280
coming off in eighteen Monthlyoff. After being vilified by the

874
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,360
Role for biting off a piece of Evander Holyfield's ear

875
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,840
and getting suspended and having his license revoked, he did

876
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,599
come back and he was losing every single round of

877
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:12,440
the fight. And if you looked at the official score

878
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,000
cards going into round number five, he was down forty

879
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,760
to thirty five on two score cards. He was also

880
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,800
down thirty nine to thirty six on the other score card,

881
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:25,000
and that was because Richard Steele, who was the referee

882
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,920
at of that fight, he had taken points away from

883
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,000
Mike Tyson, who had remembered he tried to like hold

884
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:32,760
his arm and he was and he would.

885
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: Do you remember he was trying to break his arm.

886
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,679
He had his arm clenched and was trying to like

887
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,119
wrench his arm while in benched, like he was trying

888
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:39,599
to break it.

889
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: So after biting the ear on the previous fight, now

890
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,639
he's trying to break the dude's arm. And it was

891
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:46,519
just Mike showing how dirty he was in the ring,

892
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:49,760
and Steel took away two points. So not only was

893
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,199
Mike being out box and out classed by Francois both.

894
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,400
You know, it was a good heavyweight and his day

895
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,559
held a title for a quick minute, but was certainly

896
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,880
not at the elite level. Was on the receiving end.

897
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,039
By the way, one of the prettiest knockouts you'll see

898
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:05,559
a four punch combination by Lennox Lewis back when he

899
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:08,360
challenged Leans for the title years ago. But anyway, Botha

900
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:11,320
was kicking Mike's ass. He was winning handily. Uh and

901
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,000
then just you know, this was only a ten round fight.

902
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:16,079
It wasn't like a twelve round championship fight or anything

903
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,239
like that. Mike Tyson came up with the monster right

904
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,039
hand that we all knew and loved him for that

905
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,480
made him into a superstar in the first place, and

906
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:29,440
he landed right on the button and absolutely erased Francois Botha.

907
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,000
I mean, this was a humongous knockout and you're and

908
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:35,639
you like, you're like, oh shit, I mean, Tyson may

909
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,440
be dirty, and Tyson maybe not what he once was.

910
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:41,119
Speaker 1: The line from the hangover. The champs still got it

911
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:42,239
with the big fight.

912
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:47,079
Speaker 2: So he really he really landed. I mean, listen, if

913
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:48,760
you made a list, if you were going through like

914
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,920
all the great Tyson knockouts and you were ranking Mike's knockouts,

915
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,280
this would find a way onto that list somewhere, I

916
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,800
would suspect. And you know, it made people maybe not

917
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,559
believe that Mike was gonna you know that he was

918
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:02,800
still a top fighter, but they still knew that Iron

919
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,400
Mike Tyson could still crack if he lands with the

920
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,679
big punch. And you know, that was the beginning of

921
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,519
the what I what was sort of like the the

922
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:13,000
the the long slide down. Now he won, he went

923
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:15,400
on us you know where he won a bunch of fights.

924
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,559
He also had no contest in there after both of

925
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:19,559
he had the you know, the first round no contest

926
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,039
against Orlandoris. Then he went to the UK and he

927
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:22,360
had the.

928
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: Two Why was that fight a no contest? Was that

929
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:27,400
a butt and and bad blood cut or something? Do

930
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,760
we remember why that Orlan Norris fight was a no contest?

931
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,679
Which about the Orlan Norris fight? Why it was a

932
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,480
no contest the one right after both of because.

933
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:39,599
Speaker 2: Well that wasn't a cut, I guess there was like

934
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:42,559
supposedly a knee injury and uh, and Norris was not

935
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:44,639
able to go on and uh he claimed he was

936
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,760
hit after the bell and they injured his knee at

937
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,800
the time that had happened and they ended up ruing. Uh.

938
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,519
Speaker 1: But then I don't even remember the name Julius Francis

939
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,239
in Manchester, England. He clapper him so.

940
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: Julius Francis was a British journeyman fighter that when Frank

941
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,360
Warren brought Mike over to do a couple of fights.

942
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:06,000
The famous thing about the Francis fight was Julius Francis

943
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,559
got a sponsor to pay him a lot of money

944
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,880
to put their advertisement on the soles of his of

945
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,360
his boxing shoes, so he was laying on the mat.

946
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: I do remember the sponsorship, the sponsorship with the photos

947
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and everything sticking up.

948
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: So that was that fight. So he did knock him

949
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,639
out in the in the second round, as we all expect.

950
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He was down twice in the first round, three times

951
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:29,840
in the second round. Then he went back for the

952
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,519
savage fight. That was the KO one. That's the fight

953
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:35,159
where he kept punching him after the referee stopped the fight,

954
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and then he gave the famous speech about how I'm

955
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gonna eat Lennox Lewis's heart, I'm gonna eat his.

956
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Speaker 1: Children children, yes, and then so I actually.

957
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: So that savage fight. That was the first fight I

958
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,320
ever wrote about Mike because that was soon after I

959
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,480
got hired at USAHN, although I did not go to

960
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,800
Scotland to cover the fight. And the next fight was

961
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,360
a no contest against Andrew Galata, which was a no

962
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,480
contest because he failed the marijuana test. That was my

963
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,039
first fight where I covered Mike in person, and and

964
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:01,960
then the Nielsen fight, then the Lewis fight, and then

965
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,800
the last you know three before the Jake Paul craziness

966
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,760
on a few weeks ago, a few months ago. But anyway,

967
00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:13,719
the fight against against Botha was what I consider that

968
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,239
was the first fight of the final chapter of Mike's career.

969
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:18,719
Does that make sense?

970
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,679
Speaker 1: And yeah, and both and both got freight trained. I

971
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,199
remember he hit Galata with that same right hand the

972
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,400
same way too, and uh, and Galata was not the

973
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same and then and then he failed to drug tap.

974
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Speaker 2: But it was still the BOTHA knockout was putting aside

975
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:34,840
the break, the trying to break the arm, and all

976
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,079
the craziness in the eighteen months off and the ear

977
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:39,480
biting and all this stuff that happened afterwards, just as

978
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:42,280
a knockout, beautiful knockout from Tyson.

979
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's advance forward to ten years ago, Friday,

980
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January seventeenth, twenty fifteen. Speaking of Deontay Wilder, one of

981
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,519
the biggest moments of his career has to be that

982
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:56,480
he becomes the heavyweight champ, the WBC heavyweight champ. You

983
00:45:56,519 --> 00:46:02,199
were ringside for the dominant performance against Bermain Stavern that

984
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,159
included I even remember this because I remember interviewing Deontay

985
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:07,960
about it. He broke his hand for the first of

986
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:11,360
several times during the fight and fought on and fought brilliantly.

987
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:14,840
You were there, What else do you remember? This was

988
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:15,320
a big deal.

989
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:18,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, this is the MGM Grand Deontaey a lot

990
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:21,000
of his fans that travel from from Alabama to be

991
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,079
at this fight. It was live on showtime. It was

992
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:25,760
a big deal. And now remember Deontay had won a

993
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,840
bronze medal in the in the twenty and twelve Olympic Games.

994
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,719
Uh oh no, I take them back in two thousand

995
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,880
eight Olympic Games exactly. And you want to talk about

996
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,960
bringing alonger guy slowly, I mean, Deontay fought. When I

997
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,880
tell you didn't fight anybody, he didn't fight anybody fight

998
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,840
after I mean, I totally get the fact you're gonna

999
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,440
build a guy up and he needs to get the

1000
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,039
pro reps. But it was getting to the point of

1001
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,239
almost absurdity, the lack of guys that he fought, He

1002
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,000
did fight a couple of guys with names who were

1003
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:56,320
way way past their best, you know, like an Alby Harrison,

1004
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,440
who he drilled in the first round, a way way

1005
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:05,360
past his former a WBO title holder, Sergei Layakovich. You know,

1006
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,079
even Malik Scott, who became his trainer, Leater he blitzed

1007
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:10,440
in one round, who was you know, way past his

1008
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:13,199
best days. So when they matched him up with Stevern,

1009
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,960
who at that time, you know, he may have shown

1010
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:18,400
after that that he wasn't you know, a great heavyweight,

1011
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,239
but he was a highly regarded heavyweight at that time.

1012
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:23,480
Most people would have viewed him on the top, you know,

1013
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:25,760
three or four in the division at worse. At the

1014
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,559
time that they fought, he had the WBC title. He

1015
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,760
had defeated Chris Ariola, who was another good contender, by

1016
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:35,239
a stoppage in their rematch another fight that I attended.

1017
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,920
He when he had the WBC title, and he was

1018
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,880
a good puncher and a dangerous fighter, and Deontay had

1019
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,760
never been the distance. He'd barely been past you know,

1020
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,320
five or six rounds at that point. Uh and so

1021
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,320
when he matched up against uh Severn, as I believe

1022
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,079
he was the mandatory challenger, if I'm not mistaken. Uh,

1023
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:56,639
there was a ton of questions, is this a big

1024
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,599
how big of a step up? Is this? Does he

1025
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,119
have the stamina? If it gets that a couple of rounds?

1026
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:03,039
Speaker 1: But there you go, because most of his fights were

1027
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:06,599
over with before anybody settled into their seat. Wow, three

1028
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,559
go five rounds, much less nine, much less twelve, And

1029
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:11,519
it turns out he did.

1030
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,039
Speaker 2: So he's thirty two and oh with thirty two knockouts

1031
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:18,639
going into this fight, but again had never faced anybody

1032
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,880
of even remote consequence, and he went to distance with him,

1033
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,760
and you know, he proved yes he did have the stamina,

1034
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,760
and not only did he have the stamina, but he

1035
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,760
won every single round essentially the fight in one base.

1036
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,400
You know, it wasn't like an official shutout. It was

1037
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,159
like I think that I'm looking at the scorecards here,

1038
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:40,119
one judge had at one eighteen one oh nine, one

1039
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:42,079
judge had at one nineteen one oh eight, and one

1040
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,079
judge did have at one twenty one oh seven, which

1041
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:47,400
is a shutout. So you know it was a dominating performance.

1042
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1043
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: And and Deontay, I don't think I remember him not

1044
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:53,960
being like he wasn't upset that the knockout streak was over.

1045
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,800
He was like, I prove I can go the distance

1046
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,880
with a good fighter. That was a you know, you

1047
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,039
won a downplace to vern because he never did anything

1048
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,159
after that. But that was a good win because at

1049
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:05,119
that moment Bermaine was a good fighter, and and he

1050
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:05,760
won easily.

1051
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: And I still remember all of this. It was the

1052
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:12,400
culmination of what is a tremendous story because Wilder was

1053
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,000
a guy that had football aspirations at one point wanted

1054
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,679
to play at the University of Alabama, but took up

1055
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,079
boxing basically on the amateur level as a pathway to

1056
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,920
make money because one of his children was seriously ill.

1057
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,199
He had been driving Rayfield the beverage truck for a

1058
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:37,559
beverage delivery service through central Alabama, including touch Washer. So

1059
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,079
my point is this was the culmination of the guy

1060
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,119
has now made it. He's got the green WBC heavyweight

1061
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:50,320
title that many other greats including Tyson Lewis, Muhammad Ali,

1062
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,679
Larry Holmes had in recent heavyweight title history. So this

1063
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,559
was quite the story. It was quite the story for

1064
00:49:57,639 --> 00:49:59,840
the run that he went on for several years after that.

1065
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:03,039
Speaker 2: Listen, he he for a period of time. No, you

1066
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:06,119
want to look back and assess him, that's fair play.

1067
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:07,840
You know, you can look and say, you know, maybe

1068
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,280
he didn't live up to the expectations, but one thing

1069
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,559
is for sure. For a long period of time, he

1070
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:16,679
was a dominating champion. Maybe didn't have the greatest opposition overall,

1071
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,639
but destroyed everybody by knockout. One of the I will

1072
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:24,280
say this the single best puncher I've ever seen in person,

1073
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:27,360
and arguably one of the great heavyweight punchers in the

1074
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,599
history of boxing, heavyweight or otherwise. To be quite frank,

1075
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:32,280
the right hand is a devastating weapon. Now, he did

1076
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,800
fight Steverne again and knocked Hi out in the first

1077
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,960
round in a mandated rematch, And so he was up

1078
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:40,159
till that point every fight he'd ever won, he you know,

1079
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,599
he'd knocked out every man he'd ever face. Obviously Fury

1080
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,719
changed that, as did Jang and Parker, but up until

1081
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,960
a period of time, you know, everybody ever faced he

1082
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,400
knocked out. Because he went the distance with Steverne and

1083
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,079
won the title and then drolled him in the rematch.

1084
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,920
And by the way, even though we're talking about the

1085
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,199
the anniversary of Steverne, and while They're one that took

1086
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:03,679
place on January seventeen, twenty fifteenth. On January sixteenth, twenty sixteenth,

1087
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,000
one year later, is one of Giontay Wilder's greatest knockouts

1088
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:09,960
as the heavyweight WBC champion, which I was also ringside

1089
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,239
for at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn, where he knocked

1090
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,159
out Arthur Spilka in the ninth round, which was one

1091
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:18,679
of the handful of times where I was ringside and

1092
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,800
really thought that the opponent, not just in a Wilder fight,

1093
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,039
but any fight I'd been to, this opponent maybe be

1094
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:28,000
seriously seriously injured. Thank God he wasn't, but that just

1095
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:30,760
showed you that right hand was as devastating a weapon

1096
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,559
as there has been seen. But the Steverne victory was

1097
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:36,599
a huge win for Deontay. He ended up defending the title,

1098
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,840
the WBC tititle I believe ten times successfully including the

1099
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,960
draw against Wylder, I mean against a Fury. Rather defended

1100
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,400
the WBC title, for example, more times than Mike Tyson

1101
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,239
did when he held that title back in the in

1102
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,960
the late nineteen eighties, and so that was memorable at

1103
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,760
the time. And he had a long run where he

1104
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,840
was one of the top one, two three heavyweights in boxing.

1105
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,079
It was basically Fury, Wilder and Joshua and then later

1106
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,559
Huson finally joined the party when he moved up in Wait.

1107
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: And as you said about twenty minutes ago or so

1108
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,840
ish when we were talking about it, we will never know.

1109
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,800
We will never know what his bout with Joshua would

1110
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,400
have been in twenty sixteen, seventeen ish when it should

1111
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,159
have been happening something like that eighteen something I did.

1112
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: Just look, he did defend it ten times until the

1113
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:27,159
knockout loss against Fury in the rematch.

1114
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Speaker 1: All right, so good nostalgia. We gave you some news again,

1115
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:34,760
there's not a big time worldwide main event this weekend.

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We will come back off the weekend and we will

1117
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preview the Naoya in a way undisputed one hundred and

1118
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twenty two pound title fight. We'll have some other news,

1119
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I'm sure, some other things to talk about and discuss,

1120
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but we're here for you, Savage, just despite despite not

1121
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:52,039
having the fights per se. Let me plug that. We

1122
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will also talk about the Naway fight on the bet

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