WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:16.879 How's everybody doing. Clippers fans, Welcome to an off season 2 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:20.679 happy hour hang here at Clips and Dip. I am 3 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:25.559 Chuck Walckler, joined by Adam Oslin. William Updyke is unavoidably detained. 4 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:28.839 I'm coming at you a little bit earlier than usual, 5 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:33.079 just because I had a slow work day and there 6 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:36.719 was some news yesterday. If you're listening to this and 7 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:39.119 you missed the live over at YouTube dot com at 8 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:42.359 Clippers Podcast, check us out over there, like and subscribe 9 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:43.799 and you can know when we do these fun and 10 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:48.799 happy hour lives. Adam, I will be honest. I kind 11 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:53.399 of missed parts. Let's call it three through twelve. 12 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:56.000 That's it of the Kowhi. 13 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:58.280 I just didn't want to listen to I saw the aggregation, 14 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:01.320 but I was just I put it out. I listened 15 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:03.359 I because yesterday I was like, well, I'm not doing 16 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:08.000 anything at six pm on a Thursday. What's up? Ali Maleek? 17 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:11.760 Hope you're well in the chat, and so I sat 18 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:16.359 down and listened to it. Gotta be honest, man, this 19 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:20.319 kind of smells. I don't feel super great. And I'm 20 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:23.000 talking public opinion wise, obviously, because we still have to 21 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:25.959 wait for this investigation. I don't feel great after that one. 22 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:30.959 Yeah, there's a higher level of concern for me after 23 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.959 this compared to the Rhode Island FC investigation from the 24 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:35.560 week before. 25 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:39.519 Remember how fun that was that feeling that, oh this 26 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:41.799 is great, Oh this is what it has to do with. 27 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:48.200 I felt better after the Rhode Island FC one than 28 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:52.640 I did beforehand. It felt so thin and flimsy of 29 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:58.000 evidence this time. I mean, the Clippers, Kawhi, They're gonna 30 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:00.840 have to have a good explanation for this, you know. 31 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:04.719 Otherwise the bylaws state that if it can't rationally be explained, 32 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:09.800 circumstantial evidence is enough to punish them. 33 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:16.240 Yeah, that's that's what's frustrating about this too. So Daktronics, 34 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:18.719 which as soon as I mentioned Daktronics, I was like, 35 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:23.120 of course, the JumboTron manufacturer. Who doesn't know who makes 36 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:28.080 all the jumbotrons. That was a real uh lock in 37 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:31.719 moment for me. Unfortunately, they are a publicly traded company, 38 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:37.120 which kind of feels insane. But because of that, if 39 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:41.599 there was a contract or something, it would need to 40 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:45.680 be disclosed in some kind of filings, and I'm assuming 41 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:49.919 the sec because their lawyers are already aware of the 42 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:54.400 Clipper's investigation. I don't know, it seems like that maybe 43 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:56.719 would have come out. I'm not trying to cope. I'm 44 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:58.639 just like trying to think through because it wasn't very 45 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.360 one sided, obviously, I'm trying to think through kind of 46 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:05.560 more of the the ramifications. But it just smells. It 47 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:07.960 smells worse than the aspiration thing to me. 48 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:13.360 People making the same jokes over and over again. He 49 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:15.840 literally said it in the episode. Guys, let's not give 50 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:18.840 him too much credit, and I mean for coming up 51 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:23.199 with that singer and multiple aspiration puns getting a little 52 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:23.599 bit old. 53 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:26.400 Uh yeah. 54 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:29.800 I think the crux of this is we don't even 55 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:33.000 know for sure. It's based off of two anonymous sources. 56 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.360 One that was featured with a voice modulator that was 57 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.719 a high level contractor on the Into It dome. Another 58 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:44.680 that was a former official executive position with the Clippers 59 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:49.080 something like that. He had text messages from or something. 60 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:52.759 And they're the ones that are saying Kawhi definitely had 61 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:56.159 a deal with Daktronics. 62 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:56.599 Right. 63 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.919 We haven't heard from Daktronics that they had a deal 64 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.479 for sure, because all we got was, well, they don't 65 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:05.360 currently have a deal. Does that imply that at some 66 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:07.120 point they might have had one. 67 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.080 The word currently could be doing some heavy lifting. They're 68 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:12.879 they're very I mean. 69 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:14.400 That was me paraphrasing. 70 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:18.879 Yeah, well, because in the ESPN article it was Leonard 71 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:23.079 doesn't have an active contract with the company, which if 72 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:26.079 you've been even just watching the last or listening to 73 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:29.639 the last episode of the publicatory investigation, the words are 74 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:32.600 chosen carefully, right, active, that kind of thing, that's not 75 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:34.560 crazy for a company to do. 76 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:42.720 Them having the crisis council or management team also did 77 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:46.600 not feel good handling this. That part of it to me, 78 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:51.959 That may tell you because they brought up the crisis 79 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:56.360 management team brought up we're not sure how much Daktronics 80 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:01.800 wants to talk about considering the Walktail investigation, and some 81 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:06.120 are inferring from that that they must have already talked 82 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:06.800 with Walke Teil. 83 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:09.800 Of course, that's that's what. 84 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:14.040 The takeaway is there, Unlike apparently Rhode Island FC that 85 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.000 Pablo checked in on, and they have not. 86 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:21.519 Yeah, part of me is like they've either talked to him. Yeah, 87 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:24.439 I think they had to have talked to them, which again, 88 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.079 and the term and the terms and the lens of 89 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:33.759 public perception, the Clippers had already lost. I think it's 90 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.680 fair to say in the lens of public perception. 91 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:41.000 They lost after the first episode, right if this happened, 92 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.720 like every fan basically say yes, it's them, they're the ones, 93 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.079 and everybody's gonna point fingers and say the Clippers are bad, 94 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.199 and everybody gets into fervor about these things, and I 95 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:51.600 get it. 96 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:53.600 That's just that's how these things roll. 97 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:57.360 Guilty until proven innocent, I guess, and even then, I 98 00:05:57.720 --> 00:05:59.920 don't know some people will ever believe it. 99 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:09.040 Yeah, I I don't think, and there's I'm trying not to. Yeah, anyway, Sorry, 100 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.079 this last episode just makes it stink more and I 101 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:12.680 feel like put a little more dirt on the public 102 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:16.959 perception grade because and they did mention, at least with Aspiration, 103 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.839 there was fraud happening, and there was just this this Daktronics, 104 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:22.360 when I was just like, damn this one. 105 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.680 Actually this was a legitimate company. 106 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:28.240 This one stings a bit. I do want to learn 107 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:32.480 more about why they're publicly traded, because that feels crazy 108 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:32.720 to me. 109 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:35.360 It sounds like they've been around a long time. 110 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:39.279 Yeah, but like they just anyway they do one thing. 111 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:42.519 It's a big, big thing. 112 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:48.639 That's one that's very true. Yeah, And I'm trying not 113 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:52.720 to read because obviously anytime something that comes out from 114 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:59.120 Pablo is like, how can I say that, I don't know. 115 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:02.279 We get we. 116 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:07.560 Get more reports that are like, oh, the belief is 117 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.959 the punishment could be this after in turn, and it's 118 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:13.000 like those I'm really trying to block out. And I 119 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:15.800 would suggest everyone try the same too, because there was 120 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:18.480 one getting aggregated today where it was like, there's some 121 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:21.720 belief that the punishment won't actually be a big deal, 122 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:26.680 and it's like, Okay, who is believing that and where's 123 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:28.879 that belief coming from. That's what I'm trying to block 124 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:33.040 out from my already kind of annoyed brain fog. 125 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.600 Another guy that's a Raptors reporter is talking about voiding 126 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:40.240 his contract and the picks being returned to the Raptors, 127 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:42.560 even though it hasn't been finalized, so the Clippers don't 128 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:47.920 have the picks. He is a Clipper currently, Kawhi Leonard, technically. 129 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:53.079 He is a Clipper, and I was wondering, I can't 130 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:57.439 imagine that. I don't know if this information was one 131 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:00.600 hundred percent new to people like on the raptor something 132 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:02.680 like that. I'm not sure. I'm assuming they're getting the 133 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:08.000 information the same way that everyone else is. In my head, 134 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.600 I can't imagine this helps the chances of the Raptors 135 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:15.839 going through with the trade. But I don't. But I 136 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:17.839 think that might just be paranoia because it's been less 137 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:19.720 than twenty four hours since it came out. 138 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:22.560 I mean, I don't see how it would help if 139 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:25.240 this was old. There was, but we have no idea 140 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:27.959 what's going to come out. There's Pablo's investigation, there's the 141 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.959 actual law firms investigation that the NBA is paying to 142 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:35.720 have conducted. So did they find something different? Did they 143 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:41.159 find real explanations for these things, something that makes it 144 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:44.320 more rational as to why there would be so. 145 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:47.240 Many connections and a web of them. 146 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:49.679 Really, with the way Pablo presented it, we also don't 147 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:53.559 know how accurately is it being presented. I'm not calling, 148 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:56.399 you know, Pablo a liar, but we all have our biases, 149 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:00.440 and at this point, I'm sure he's following evidence that 150 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.679 comes back to his conclusion, which he seemed to make 151 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.960 pretty early on in the investigation, that confirms his conclusion. 152 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:09.720 He's looking for. 153 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.919 Stuff that does that versus what could go against it. 154 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:18.000 Maybe he has a Polzer Prize on the line. I 155 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.120 don't think they're going to take it away, but this 156 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:21.559 would validate it for him. 157 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:28.080 Dude. Yeah, I don't know if we'll take that away. 158 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:32.559 So Alex Web, this is bringing out. This is the 159 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.519 exact thing I was talking about that was aggregated. Why 160 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.039 does this guy I don't know. If Michael Grange, I'm 161 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:41.320 not disputing any of his other stories, I don't know 162 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:44.279 why he would know that. It's he doesn't go you 163 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:45.200 know what I mean, Like. 164 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.519 People even like putting that out there, I think is irresponsible. 165 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:51.039 Like don't you think, first of all, why would Michael 166 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.960 Grange know before Shams or all these other people. Like 167 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:58.200 if one person knew, a lot of reporters would know that. 168 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:02.919 That is called educated guests. Go off of the Athletic 169 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.440 article from a few weeks ago where they talked about 170 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:10.000 now they're looking at another endorsement deal. Now this could 171 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:15.279 be that with Daktronics. That could be the other endorsement 172 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:17.360 deal that was talked about a few weeks ago. With 173 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:21.879 that follow up, it wasn't the Baxter homespiece because that 174 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.919 was ESPN. But I forget the gentleman from the Athletic 175 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:28.679 who originally said there's another endorsement they're looking at. 176 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:32.039 We wonder what that was. It could be Daktronics. Not sure. 177 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:36.600 I'll go as far to say I hope, because if 178 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:40.759 it's not, that means it's a different thing connected to this. 179 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:44.799 You know what I'm saying. I don't think. I think 180 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:47.360 I speak for a fair amount of Clippers fans when 181 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:48.720 it's like, it would be great if this swer to 182 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.600 be the last thing, just the last thing. Can this 183 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:53.440 be the last thing? 184 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:55.360 Yeah? 185 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:59.639 A lot of Michael Grange's stuff is like obvious assumptions 186 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:07.639 and not reporting or sourced stuff like I've read it, Alex, 187 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:10.240 We've been through this before, my guy. I don't think 188 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:13.279 it's the way you're presenting. It's very accurate. I love you, 189 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.360 but I don't want to put out any misinformation here. 190 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.759 If there isn't something conclusive and definitive, I don't want 191 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:23.600 to say that stuff just because somebody has an opinion 192 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:28.679 that more likely than not, Uh, it's concluded, so I 193 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.080 can say I had it first. 194 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:32.480 If I end up being right about this. 195 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:39.120 It's hard to block some of the noise out. People 196 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:40.919 are saying Cli is out the only player. Yeah, that's 197 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:41.240 not really. 198 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:44.159 I don't really I really don't like the what about is? 199 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:45.039 Yeah? 200 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:46.440 What about ism is lame? 201 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:51.039 Is're the ones that are being investigated, Guys, like, of 202 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:52.840 course this stuff happens in sports. 203 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:56.159 Does it matter? Is that going to the Clippers? 204 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:59.559 Yeah? But what about all these teams? Now you could 205 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:03.879 the only argument you could make is a lot of 206 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.200 this could come down to if there's a penalty, if 207 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.679 they're guilty, how the other owners feel about it and 208 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:11.799 how they feel about Balmer. 209 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:14.799 That's what's gonna That's where it's really gonna get messy, 210 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:19.519 because like, I don't know, man, it's such and I'm 211 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:21.799 not I think if they did something wrong, they should 212 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:23.759 be punished. I think Balmber's the one who should be punished. 213 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:25.720 To spend him if he did something wrong, to spend 214 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:27.559 him for a year or whatever from the ownership, do 215 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:32.480 that kind of punishment. That would be great because then 216 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.039 in my great but you know what I mean in 217 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:38.440 terms of on court product, that's kind of I mean, 218 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:41.519 it sucks, but they're not doc draft picks like fans 219 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.120 aren't necessarily as punished or something like that I agree, 220 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:49.240 but I don't know. I dislike Adam Silver because he 221 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.120 does things like doesn't punish people when they should totally 222 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:55.360 be punished, right, So, no matter what the punishment is, 223 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:57.519 I can't see the Clippers getting punished too harshly. And 224 00:12:57.559 --> 00:12:59.679 that's also going to be a giant pain and they asked. 225 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:03.039 To deal with Here's what Michael Grange said. Per league sources, 226 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.440 there's a belief the investigation has already moved beyond its 227 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:12.159 fact finding stage, and the parties involved, specifically the Clippers 228 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:15.320 in the NBAPA, which is monitoring the situation to see 229 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:19.120 what if any consequences before Leonard, are working quietly to 230 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:22.200 get the entire issue resolved, something Silver hinted at back 231 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.480 on July fourteenth, when he last spoke publicly on the issue. 232 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:30.200 I'm sorry, but per league sources, there's a belief like 233 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:34.080 it's not concrete. That's that's not enough for me to go, oh, 234 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:36.679 this is definitely done and they're just sorting through the findings. 235 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:39.159 My guess is we'll get a Friday news though. 236 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:40.960 Well it is Friday. 237 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.360 Well, you know we've been guessing this from from the league, 238 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:46.320 from the league for months. 239 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:48.120 We've been like it's gonna happen on a Friday. Here 240 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:49.320 it comes, here, it comes. 241 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:52.240 I just mean any friday between now. Wait, let me 242 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:54.279 say that with a caveat any friday between now and 243 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:55.080 twenty thirty. 244 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:00.639 It could be a Saturday, could be a Sunday, be 245 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:01.000 able to be. 246 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:03.840 The day of the finals. We do have an actual 247 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.240 basketball question. I also like, I don't really And that's 248 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.440 the other thing, Like, I hope this is the last thing. 249 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:15.159 I'm tired of this. It's annoying. I would like everyone 250 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:19.559 to be able to move on from the choir because 251 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:22.039 it's over. And I mean that not in a disrespectful way, 252 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:25.919 but like, this is just such a we thought it 253 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.080 was kind of a clean break and now it's like 254 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:29.720 the complete opposite of that. 255 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:31.039 It's taxing. 256 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:34.240 Everybody's got frayed nerves and emotions right now in Cliffer Nation. 257 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:39.960 Yeah, it's we're running on fumes. We got a question 258 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:44.600 about basketball from Deuce times six' five THREE fi. FIVE 259 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.480 i gotta, ask why are you guys so high On. 260 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:50.320 WATSON i would rather have been over him any day 261 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:54.919 of the. WEEK i would, Say i'm not like super 262 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:56.600 high On. WATSON i think he could be good BUT 263 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.519 i don't think giving him like twenty million DOLLARS i 264 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:01.879 guess makes BUT i would rather have him Than ben. 265 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:06.360 MATHER i, mean, okay tell me What Ben matherin, does that's, 266 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:09.440 elite BECAUSE i know What Bade watson does that's, elite 267 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.039 and that's. Defend he's already doing something at a really high. 268 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:16.200 Level ben mcmathern what he does varies and goes up and, 269 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:19.120 down and that's his offense where he can go quite 270 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:22.799 a while where he's on a. DIP i don't think 271 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.000 it's that hard of a. DECISION i like, bencmatherin but 272 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:30.000 between those two, GUYS i Think watson has the higher 273 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:32.440 upside of being a two way, wing which is a 274 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:36.879 premier position in THE, nba and that's what most teams 275 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:37.279 are looking. 276 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.559 FOR i don't. Know could it just be, Me, NO. 277 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.559 I THINK i THINK i. AGREE i MEAN i liked 278 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:49.000 when the, option when it was just kind of math 279 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:51.200 being on the. Team it was, like, okay. 280 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:53.759 People are saying scorer, Scorers, okay do you want to 281 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:55.679 go through some of the box scores of some of 282 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:57.759 the games at the end of the season and see 283 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.399 how feast or famine it can be at time or 284 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.159 see the turnovers that he has when he's trying too 285 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:05.360 hard to get to the free throw line and draw 286 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:09.399 fols like that stuff Can Absolutely ben is an elist. 287 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:11.440 Scorer you're not an e last score if you're scoring 288 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:13.679 seventeen points per game in THE nba in twenty twenty. 289 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:18.519 SIX i, ALSO i, like you know we have you, 290 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:22.600 Know matherin's peak was kind of like in that finals, game, 291 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.000 right like he played well on that. Stage that was 292 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.879 cool to. See watson's peak was a little, DIFFERENT i 293 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:33.919 mean not a little, different a lot different because it 294 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.600 was regular season, time, right so it was, like can 295 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:39.960 you help fill this? Gap and he did a great 296 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:46.360 job of, that which to me is maybe not as 297 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:51.039 impressive of a High BUT i like that for what this, 298 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:54.480 hm what their like trajectories are going to project out, 299 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:57.559 to you know What i'm, Saying Like, matthew we don't 300 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:02.720 really know what we're getting when he steps on The Like, watson. 301 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:07.039 He has a reliable, skill which is his, defense which 302 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:09.400 means even if shots aren't, falling he can still be 303 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:11.680 a net positive out there because he's so good on. 304 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:13.119 Defense that's the. 305 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.759 DIFFERENCE i don't know people Calling ben had one bad 306 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:20.279 week like some of the efficiency numbers are not. 307 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:22.599 Great the advanced numbers do not Like ben. 308 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:25.559 Mcmathurn And i'm just talking about if you think on 309 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.960 Off splitz for that advance for, you that's pretty standard. 310 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.119 Now if you're always losing the minutes. 311 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:35.559 That he's out there on the court when it comes 312 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:38.160 to offensive rating and defensive, rating and you're winning the 313 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:40.480 minutes when he's not out there on the court in 314 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:44.359 offensive rating and defensive, rating and it's over multiple, YEARS 315 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:48.000 i have to take that somewhat. Seriously doesn't mean he 316 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:51.319 can't overcome. That he's still very. YOUNG i want him. 317 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:54.279 BACK i am just telling you if it's between him 318 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:59.400 And Peyton, WATSON i don't think it's that hard of a, call. 319 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.279 Right and we're not saying he can't get. Better that's 320 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:06.519 not what we're saying at all. EITHER i Just watson 321 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:10.039 seems Like i'm more intrigued By watson on this team long. 322 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.359 Term WICKED K, pop who is A pacers. Fan hook 323 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:15.000 you're doing, well, says Give ben back to. Us if 324 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:16.240 you don't want, him we'll give You Jerris. 325 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:23.240 WALKER i remember the good and bad From, benedict, right. 326 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:26.759 We got to take both in and it's. Great he 327 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:31.880 was plus two point. Six that's that's a bucket away 328 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:32.240 from being. 329 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:36.880 Even go back on the entire, year including The Indiana, 330 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:41.680 pacers or go back to last. Year he was point 331 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:44.319 one in net rating on a team that went to 332 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:47.599 THE Nba. Finals he was plus point one With. Indiana 333 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:49.880 you'd expect it to be better than that on a 334 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:51.640 team that went to the. Finals and then the year 335 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:54.920 before that he was a minus nine net rating for 336 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:57.960 The Indiana pacers on the. Season i'm going off of 337 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:00.559 large sample. Size you guys can go off of twenty 338 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:02.720 six games with The. Clippers it's not a very good. 339 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:06.799 ARGUMENT i still SAY i Want ben back because. 340 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:11.160 And there's potential. There he's incredibly. Young his athleticism we need. 341 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:13.519 Him getting to the free throw line is. Something, yes 342 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:15.119 when it's, working we very much. 343 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:16.279 Need see this is the. 344 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:18.200 Problem people Go watson at one good. Month, no, no, no 345 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:22.319 he had one elite. Month, offensively he is always. Good, 346 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.079 defensively he was always good playing off Of jolkics cutting 347 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.640 to the. Basket what he did in that one month 348 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:31.680 is show you that he can also cook himself a 349 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:34.200 little bit out. There and that was impressive to, see 350 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:36.920 especially because they're, winning and it wasn't just empty numbers 351 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:38.960 Because jokis was finally out and he had a chance 352 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:39.599 to show what he could. 353 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:43.000 Do we talked about this a little bit last, week 354 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:47.279 but there's this like kind of fake idea That watson 355 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.880 is going to play on this qualifying, offer WHICH i 356 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:55.839 can't imagine that's going to. Happen, no that would BE i, 357 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:57.160 mean his agent should probably be. 358 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:59.240 Fired unless. 359 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:03.240 Unless the real contract offered to him was seventy million 360 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:05.400 for five, years so that's the only one that he could. 361 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:08.160 Get that's the only WAY i could see him playing 362 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:10.200 on the Qualifying he's, like, okay Well i'm not taking 363 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:12.799 seventy over five, years so that's about fourteen million per. 364 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:17.359 Year, Yeah i'm JUST i don't. KNOW i don't. Know 365 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:20.160 there's been no We. Again this kind of goes back 366 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:21.920 to The kauai. THING i think any of the move 367 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:26.200 For watson is we have to wait for This kawi 368 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:26.599 thing to be. 369 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:34.079 Settled, MAYBE i mean that that's best guess that makes. 370 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:36.480 Evolve any one in The kai. 371 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:41.720 Trade, YEAH i JUST i don't know how people can't 372 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:45.079 recognize how Volatile mathern can. Be and if you got 373 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:47.720 another guy who has something that's very reliable in his, 374 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:50.960 Defense i'm going with that, guy but that doesn't MEAN 375 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:54.759 i don't Want. MATHERN i want. Both and If matherin 376 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:56.519 is the one they end up, keeping. 377 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:57.079 Cool. 378 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:01.519 How do we Get watson dj in a? 379 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:07.400 FIRST i think that's the most. Obvious i'm gonna say 380 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:08.960 it for a. Month but now if you don't have 381 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:11.039 to first coming From, toronto that's. 382 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:13.880 What, yeah that's that makes things. Different if we have 383 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:16.200 those two, first that's, great THEN i say, Awesome but we. 384 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:20.240 DON'T i would consider giving Up indiana's twenty twenty nine, 385 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:24.079 first because how Is indiana going to be that bad 386 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:27.839 at that? Point what's What's haliburton going to be twenty? Eight, 387 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:32.759 yeah A Visa zooba's gonna be like thirty. Three they 388 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:35.319 shouldn't be that. BAD i don't know how good of 389 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:36.240 a pick that's gonna. 390 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:39.160 Be, WELL i, mean we'll know more in terms of 391 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:43.640 How haliburton looks after The achilles. Too which also The, 392 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:47.079 ACHILLES i feel like there's like generational injuries that show 393 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.720 kind of a little bit what sports age you. ARE 394 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:56.839 i am still don't really understand how professional basketball players 395 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:58.880 can come back from a torn, achilles because for my 396 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:01.200 age growing, up it was, like, well you're. Done you're 397 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:04.319 never gonna play basketball, Again like you're not gonna able 398 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:05.599 to get to that. Level and now we're just at 399 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.240 a point where it's like it's. Unreal it's like when you, 400 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:10.319 know Like Cheryl miller tears R acl it's, like, well 401 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:13.759