Speaker 1: How's everybody doing. Clippers fans, Welcome to an off season
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Speaker 1: Chuck Walckler, joined by Adam Oslin. William Updyke is unavoidably detained.
Speaker 1: I'm coming at you a little bit earlier than usual,
Speaker 1: just because I had a slow work day and there
Speaker 1: was some news yesterday. If you're listening to this and
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Speaker 1: happy hour lives. Adam, I will be honest. I kind
Speaker 1: of missed parts. Let's call it three through twelve.
Speaker 2: That's it of the Kowhi.
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to listen to I saw the aggregation,
Speaker 1: but I was just I put it out. I listened
Speaker 1: I because yesterday I was like, well, I'm not doing
Speaker 1: anything at six pm on a Thursday. What's up? Ali Maleek?
Speaker 1: Hope you're well in the chat, and so I sat
Speaker 1: down and listened to it. Gotta be honest, man, this
Speaker 1: kind of smells. I don't feel super great. And I'm
Speaker 1: talking public opinion wise, obviously, because we still have to
Speaker 1: wait for this investigation. I don't feel great after that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a higher level of concern for me after
Speaker 3: this compared to the Rhode Island FC investigation from the
Speaker 3: week before.
Speaker 1: Remember how fun that was that feeling that, oh this
Speaker 1: is great, Oh this is what it has to do with.
Speaker 3: I felt better after the Rhode Island FC one than
Speaker 3: I did beforehand. It felt so thin and flimsy of
Speaker 3: evidence this time. I mean, the Clippers, Kawhi, They're gonna
Speaker 3: have to have a good explanation for this, you know.
Speaker 3: Otherwise the bylaws state that if it can't rationally be explained,
Speaker 3: circumstantial evidence is enough to punish them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what's frustrating about this too. So Daktronics,
Speaker 1: which as soon as I mentioned Daktronics, I was like,
Speaker 1: of course, the JumboTron manufacturer. Who doesn't know who makes
Speaker 1: all the jumbotrons. That was a real uh lock in
Speaker 1: moment for me. Unfortunately, they are a publicly traded company,
Speaker 1: which kind of feels insane. But because of that, if
Speaker 1: there was a contract or something, it would need to
Speaker 1: be disclosed in some kind of filings, and I'm assuming
Speaker 1: the sec because their lawyers are already aware of the
Speaker 1: Clipper's investigation. I don't know, it seems like that maybe
Speaker 1: would have come out. I'm not trying to cope. I'm
Speaker 1: just like trying to think through because it wasn't very
Speaker 1: one sided, obviously, I'm trying to think through kind of
Speaker 1: more of the the ramifications. But it just smells. It
Speaker 1: smells worse than the aspiration thing to me.
Speaker 3: People making the same jokes over and over again. He
Speaker 3: literally said it in the episode. Guys, let's not give
Speaker 3: him too much credit, and I mean for coming up
Speaker 3: with that singer and multiple aspiration puns getting a little
Speaker 3: bit old.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the crux of this is we don't even
Speaker 3: know for sure. It's based off of two anonymous sources.
Speaker 3: One that was featured with a voice modulator that was
Speaker 3: a high level contractor on the Into It dome. Another
Speaker 3: that was a former official executive position with the Clippers
Speaker 3: something like that. He had text messages from or something.
Speaker 3: And they're the ones that are saying Kawhi definitely had
Speaker 3: a deal with Daktronics.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: We haven't heard from Daktronics that they had a deal
Speaker 3: for sure, because all we got was, well, they don't
Speaker 3: currently have a deal. Does that imply that at some
Speaker 3: point they might have had one.
Speaker 1: The word currently could be doing some heavy lifting. They're
Speaker 1: they're very I mean.
Speaker 2: That was me paraphrasing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, because in the ESPN article it was Leonard
Speaker 1: doesn't have an active contract with the company, which if
Speaker 1: you've been even just watching the last or listening to
Speaker 1: the last episode of the publicatory investigation, the words are
Speaker 1: chosen carefully, right, active, that kind of thing, that's not
Speaker 1: crazy for a company to do.
Speaker 3: Them having the crisis council or management team also did
Speaker 3: not feel good handling this. That part of it to me,
Speaker 3: That may tell you because they brought up the crisis
Speaker 3: management team brought up we're not sure how much Daktronics
Speaker 3: wants to talk about considering the Walktail investigation, and some
Speaker 3: are inferring from that that they must have already talked
Speaker 3: with Walke Teil.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's that's what.
Speaker 3: The takeaway is there, Unlike apparently Rhode Island FC that
Speaker 3: Pablo checked in on, and they have not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, part of me is like they've either talked to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they had to have talked to them, which again,
Speaker 1: and the term and the terms and the lens of
Speaker 1: public perception, the Clippers had already lost. I think it's
Speaker 1: fair to say in the lens of public perception.
Speaker 3: They lost after the first episode, right if this happened,
Speaker 3: like every fan basically say yes, it's them, they're the ones,
Speaker 3: and everybody's gonna point fingers and say the Clippers are bad,
Speaker 3: and everybody gets into fervor about these things, and I
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 2: That's just that's how these things roll.
Speaker 3: Guilty until proven innocent, I guess, and even then, I
Speaker 3: don't know some people will ever believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I don't think, and there's I'm trying not to. Yeah, anyway, Sorry,
Speaker 1: this last episode just makes it stink more and I
Speaker 1: feel like put a little more dirt on the public
Speaker 1: perception grade because and they did mention, at least with Aspiration,
Speaker 1: there was fraud happening, and there was just this this Daktronics,
Speaker 1: when I was just like, damn this one.
Speaker 2: Actually this was a legitimate company.
Speaker 1: This one stings a bit. I do want to learn
Speaker 1: more about why they're publicly traded, because that feels crazy
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: It sounds like they've been around a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like they just anyway they do one thing.
Speaker 2: It's a big, big thing.
Speaker 1: That's one that's very true. Yeah, And I'm trying not
Speaker 1: to read because obviously anytime something that comes out from
Speaker 1: Pablo is like, how can I say that, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We get we.
Speaker 1: Get more reports that are like, oh, the belief is
Speaker 1: the punishment could be this after in turn, and it's
Speaker 1: like those I'm really trying to block out. And I
Speaker 1: would suggest everyone try the same too, because there was
Speaker 1: one getting aggregated today where it was like, there's some
Speaker 1: belief that the punishment won't actually be a big deal,
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, who is believing that and where's
Speaker 1: that belief coming from. That's what I'm trying to block
Speaker 1: out from my already kind of annoyed brain fog.
Speaker 3: Another guy that's a Raptors reporter is talking about voiding
Speaker 3: his contract and the picks being returned to the Raptors,
Speaker 3: even though it hasn't been finalized, so the Clippers don't
Speaker 3: have the picks. He is a Clipper currently, Kawhi Leonard, technically.
Speaker 1: He is a Clipper, and I was wondering, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine that. I don't know if this information was one
Speaker 1: hundred percent new to people like on the raptor something
Speaker 1: like that. I'm not sure. I'm assuming they're getting the
Speaker 1: information the same way that everyone else is. In my head,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine this helps the chances of the Raptors
Speaker 1: going through with the trade. But I don't. But I
Speaker 1: think that might just be paranoia because it's been less
Speaker 1: than twenty four hours since it came out.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't see how it would help if
Speaker 3: this was old. There was, but we have no idea
Speaker 3: what's going to come out. There's Pablo's investigation, there's the
Speaker 3: actual law firms investigation that the NBA is paying to
Speaker 3: have conducted. So did they find something different? Did they
Speaker 3: find real explanations for these things, something that makes it
Speaker 3: more rational as to why there would be so.
Speaker 2: Many connections and a web of them.
Speaker 3: Really, with the way Pablo presented it, we also don't
Speaker 3: know how accurately is it being presented. I'm not calling,
Speaker 3: you know, Pablo a liar, but we all have our biases,
Speaker 3: and at this point, I'm sure he's following evidence that
Speaker 3: comes back to his conclusion, which he seemed to make
Speaker 3: pretty early on in the investigation, that confirms his conclusion.
Speaker 2: He's looking for.
Speaker 3: Stuff that does that versus what could go against it.
Speaker 3: Maybe he has a Polzer Prize on the line. I
Speaker 3: don't think they're going to take it away, but this
Speaker 3: would validate it for him.
Speaker 1: Dude. Yeah, I don't know if we'll take that away.
Speaker 1: So Alex Web, this is bringing out. This is the
Speaker 1: exact thing I was talking about that was aggregated. Why
Speaker 1: does this guy I don't know. If Michael Grange, I'm
Speaker 1: not disputing any of his other stories, I don't know
Speaker 1: why he would know that. It's he doesn't go you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3: People even like putting that out there, I think is irresponsible.
Speaker 3: Like don't you think, first of all, why would Michael
Speaker 3: Grange know before Shams or all these other people. Like
Speaker 3: if one person knew, a lot of reporters would know that.
Speaker 3: That is called educated guests. Go off of the Athletic
Speaker 3: article from a few weeks ago where they talked about
Speaker 3: now they're looking at another endorsement deal. Now this could
Speaker 3: be that with Daktronics. That could be the other endorsement
Speaker 3: deal that was talked about a few weeks ago. With
Speaker 3: that follow up, it wasn't the Baxter homespiece because that
Speaker 3: was ESPN. But I forget the gentleman from the Athletic
Speaker 3: who originally said there's another endorsement they're looking at.
Speaker 2: We wonder what that was. It could be Daktronics. Not sure.
Speaker 1: I'll go as far to say I hope, because if
Speaker 1: it's not, that means it's a different thing connected to this.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't think. I think
Speaker 1: I speak for a fair amount of Clippers fans when
Speaker 1: it's like, it would be great if this swer to
Speaker 1: be the last thing, just the last thing. Can this
Speaker 1: be the last thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: A lot of Michael Grange's stuff is like obvious assumptions
Speaker 3: and not reporting or sourced stuff like I've read it, Alex,
Speaker 3: We've been through this before, my guy. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's the way you're presenting. It's very accurate. I love you,
Speaker 3: but I don't want to put out any misinformation here.
Speaker 3: If there isn't something conclusive and definitive, I don't want
Speaker 3: to say that stuff just because somebody has an opinion
Speaker 3: that more likely than not, Uh, it's concluded, so I
Speaker 3: can say I had it first.
Speaker 2: If I end up being right about this.
Speaker 1: It's hard to block some of the noise out. People
Speaker 1: are saying Cli is out the only player. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not really.
Speaker 2: I don't really I really don't like the what about is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What about ism is lame?
Speaker 3: Is're the ones that are being investigated, Guys, like, of
Speaker 3: course this stuff happens in sports.
Speaker 2: Does it matter? Is that going to the Clippers?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But what about all these teams? Now you could
Speaker 3: the only argument you could make is a lot of
Speaker 3: this could come down to if there's a penalty, if
Speaker 3: they're guilty, how the other owners feel about it and
Speaker 3: how they feel about Balmer.
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna That's where it's really gonna get messy,
Speaker 1: because like, I don't know, man, it's such and I'm
Speaker 1: not I think if they did something wrong, they should
Speaker 1: be punished. I think Balmber's the one who should be punished.
Speaker 1: To spend him if he did something wrong, to spend
Speaker 1: him for a year or whatever from the ownership, do
Speaker 1: that kind of punishment. That would be great because then
Speaker 1: in my great but you know what I mean in
Speaker 1: terms of on court product, that's kind of I mean,
Speaker 1: it sucks, but they're not doc draft picks like fans
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily as punished or something like that I agree,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I dislike Adam Silver because he
Speaker 1: does things like doesn't punish people when they should totally
Speaker 1: be punished, right, So, no matter what the punishment is,
Speaker 1: I can't see the Clippers getting punished too harshly. And
Speaker 1: that's also going to be a giant pain and they asked.
Speaker 3: To deal with Here's what Michael Grange said. Per league sources,
Speaker 3: there's a belief the investigation has already moved beyond its
Speaker 3: fact finding stage, and the parties involved, specifically the Clippers
Speaker 3: in the NBAPA, which is monitoring the situation to see
Speaker 3: what if any consequences before Leonard, are working quietly to
Speaker 3: get the entire issue resolved, something Silver hinted at back
Speaker 3: on July fourteenth, when he last spoke publicly on the issue.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but per league sources, there's a belief like
Speaker 3: it's not concrete. That's that's not enough for me to go, oh,
Speaker 3: this is definitely done and they're just sorting through the findings.
Speaker 1: My guess is we'll get a Friday news though.
Speaker 2: Well it is Friday.
Speaker 3: Well, you know we've been guessing this from from the league,
Speaker 3: from the league for months.
Speaker 2: We've been like it's gonna happen on a Friday. Here
Speaker 2: it comes, here, it comes.
Speaker 1: I just mean any friday between now. Wait, let me
Speaker 1: say that with a caveat any friday between now and
Speaker 1: twenty thirty.
Speaker 2: It could be a Saturday, could be a Sunday, be
Speaker 2: able to be.
Speaker 1: The day of the finals. We do have an actual
Speaker 1: basketball question. I also like, I don't really And that's
Speaker 1: the other thing, Like, I hope this is the last thing.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of this. It's annoying. I would like everyone
Speaker 1: to be able to move on from the choir because
Speaker 1: it's over. And I mean that not in a disrespectful way,
Speaker 1: but like, this is just such a we thought it
Speaker 1: was kind of a clean break and now it's like
Speaker 1: the complete opposite of that.
Speaker 2: It's taxing.
Speaker 3: Everybody's got frayed nerves and emotions right now in Cliffer Nation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's we're running on fumes. We got a question
Speaker 1: about basketball from Deuce times six' five THREE fi. FIVE
Speaker 1: i gotta, ask why are you guys so high On.
Speaker 1: WATSON i would rather have been over him any day
Speaker 1: of the. WEEK i would, Say i'm not like super
Speaker 1: high On. WATSON i think he could be good BUT
Speaker 1: i don't think giving him like twenty million DOLLARS i
Speaker 1: guess makes BUT i would rather have him Than ben.
Speaker 3: MATHER i, mean, okay tell me What Ben matherin, does that's,
Speaker 3: elite BECAUSE i know What Bade watson does that's, elite
Speaker 3: and that's. Defend he's already doing something at a really high.
Speaker 3: Level ben mcmathern what he does varies and goes up and,
Speaker 3: down and that's his offense where he can go quite
Speaker 3: a while where he's on a. DIP i don't think
Speaker 3: it's that hard of a. DECISION i like, bencmatherin but
Speaker 3: between those two, GUYS i Think watson has the higher
Speaker 3: upside of being a two way, wing which is a
Speaker 3: premier position in THE, nba and that's what most teams
Speaker 3: are looking.
Speaker 2: FOR i don't. Know could it just be, Me, NO.
Speaker 1: I THINK i THINK i. AGREE i MEAN i liked
Speaker 1: when the, option when it was just kind of math
Speaker 1: being on the. Team it was, like, okay.
Speaker 3: People are saying scorer, Scorers, okay do you want to
Speaker 3: go through some of the box scores of some of
Speaker 3: the games at the end of the season and see
Speaker 3: how feast or famine it can be at time or
Speaker 3: see the turnovers that he has when he's trying too
Speaker 3: hard to get to the free throw line and draw
Speaker 3: fols like that stuff Can Absolutely ben is an elist.
Speaker 3: Scorer you're not an e last score if you're scoring
Speaker 3: seventeen points per game in THE nba in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: SIX i, ALSO i, like you know we have you,
Speaker 1: Know matherin's peak was kind of like in that finals, game,
Speaker 1: right like he played well on that. Stage that was
Speaker 1: cool to. See watson's peak was a little, DIFFERENT i
Speaker 1: mean not a little, different a lot different because it
Speaker 1: was regular season, time, right so it was, like can
Speaker 1: you help fill this? Gap and he did a great
Speaker 1: job of, that which to me is maybe not as
Speaker 1: impressive of a High BUT i like that for what this,
Speaker 1: hm what their like trajectories are going to project out,
Speaker 1: to you know What i'm, Saying Like, matthew we don't
Speaker 1: really know what we're getting when he steps on The Like, watson.
Speaker 3: He has a reliable, skill which is his, defense which
Speaker 3: means even if shots aren't, falling he can still be
Speaker 3: a net positive out there because he's so good on.
Speaker 2: Defense that's the.
Speaker 3: DIFFERENCE i don't know people Calling ben had one bad
Speaker 3: week like some of the efficiency numbers are not.
Speaker 2: Great the advanced numbers do not Like ben.
Speaker 3: Mcmathurn And i'm just talking about if you think on
Speaker 3: Off splitz for that advance for, you that's pretty standard.
Speaker 2: Now if you're always losing the minutes.
Speaker 3: That he's out there on the court when it comes
Speaker 3: to offensive rating and defensive, rating and you're winning the
Speaker 3: minutes when he's not out there on the court in
Speaker 3: offensive rating and defensive, rating and it's over multiple, YEARS
Speaker 3: i have to take that somewhat. Seriously doesn't mean he
Speaker 3: can't overcome. That he's still very. YOUNG i want him.
Speaker 3: BACK i am just telling you if it's between him
Speaker 3: And Peyton, WATSON i don't think it's that hard of a, call.
Speaker 1: Right and we're not saying he can't get. Better that's
Speaker 1: not what we're saying at all. EITHER i Just watson
Speaker 1: seems Like i'm more intrigued By watson on this team long.
Speaker 1: Term WICKED K, pop who is A pacers. Fan hook
Speaker 1: you're doing, well, says Give ben back to. Us if
Speaker 1: you don't want, him we'll give You Jerris.
Speaker 3: WALKER i remember the good and bad From, benedict, right.
Speaker 1: We got to take both in and it's. Great he
Speaker 1: was plus two point. Six that's that's a bucket away
Speaker 1: from being.
Speaker 3: Even go back on the entire, year including The Indiana,
Speaker 3: pacers or go back to last. Year he was point
Speaker 3: one in net rating on a team that went to
Speaker 3: THE Nba. Finals he was plus point one With. Indiana
Speaker 3: you'd expect it to be better than that on a
Speaker 3: team that went to the. Finals and then the year
Speaker 3: before that he was a minus nine net rating for
Speaker 3: The Indiana pacers on the. Season i'm going off of
Speaker 3: large sample. Size you guys can go off of twenty
Speaker 3: six games with The. Clippers it's not a very good.
Speaker 3: ARGUMENT i still SAY i Want ben back because.
Speaker 1: And there's potential. There he's incredibly. Young his athleticism we need.
Speaker 1: Him getting to the free throw line is. Something, yes
Speaker 1: when it's, working we very much.
Speaker 2: Need see this is the.
Speaker 3: Problem people Go watson at one good. Month, no, no, no
Speaker 3: he had one elite. Month, offensively he is always. Good,
Speaker 3: defensively he was always good playing off Of jolkics cutting
Speaker 3: to the. Basket what he did in that one month
Speaker 3: is show you that he can also cook himself a
Speaker 3: little bit out. There and that was impressive to, see
Speaker 3: especially because they're, winning and it wasn't just empty numbers
Speaker 3: Because jokis was finally out and he had a chance
Speaker 3: to show what he could.
Speaker 1: Do we talked about this a little bit last, week
Speaker 1: but there's this like kind of fake idea That watson
Speaker 1: is going to play on this qualifying, offer WHICH i
Speaker 1: can't imagine that's going to. Happen, no that would BE i,
Speaker 1: mean his agent should probably be.
Speaker 2: Fired unless.
Speaker 3: Unless the real contract offered to him was seventy million
Speaker 3: for five, years so that's the only one that he could.
Speaker 3: Get that's the only WAY i could see him playing
Speaker 3: on the Qualifying he's, like, okay Well i'm not taking
Speaker 3: seventy over five, years so that's about fourteen million per.
Speaker 1: Year, Yeah i'm JUST i don't. KNOW i don't. Know
Speaker 1: there's been no We. Again this kind of goes back
Speaker 1: to The kauai. THING i think any of the move
Speaker 1: For watson is we have to wait for This kawi
Speaker 1: thing to be.
Speaker 3: Settled, MAYBE i mean that that's best guess that makes.
Speaker 1: Evolve any one in The kai.
Speaker 3: Trade, YEAH i JUST i don't know how people can't
Speaker 3: recognize how Volatile mathern can. Be and if you got
Speaker 3: another guy who has something that's very reliable in his,
Speaker 3: Defense i'm going with that, guy but that doesn't MEAN
Speaker 3: i don't Want. MATHERN i want. Both and If matherin
Speaker 3: is the one they end up, keeping.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: How do we Get watson dj in a?
Speaker 3: FIRST i think that's the most. Obvious i'm gonna say
Speaker 3: it for a. Month but now if you don't have
Speaker 3: to first coming From, toronto that's.
Speaker 1: What, yeah that's that makes things. Different if we have
Speaker 1: those two, first that's, great THEN i say, Awesome but we.
Speaker 3: DON'T i would consider giving Up indiana's twenty twenty nine,
Speaker 3: first because how Is indiana going to be that bad
Speaker 3: at that? Point what's What's haliburton going to be twenty? Eight,
Speaker 3: yeah A Visa zooba's gonna be like thirty. Three they
Speaker 3: shouldn't be that. BAD i don't know how good of
Speaker 3: a pick that's gonna.
Speaker 1: Be, WELL i, mean we'll know more in terms of
Speaker 1: How haliburton looks after The achilles. Too which also The,
Speaker 1: ACHILLES i feel like there's like generational injuries that show
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit what sports age you. ARE
Speaker 1: i am still don't really understand how professional basketball players
Speaker 1: can come back from a torn, achilles because for my
Speaker 1: age growing, up it was, like, well you're. Done you're
Speaker 1: never gonna play basketball, Again like you're not gonna able
Speaker 1: to get to that. Level and now we're just at
Speaker 1: a point where it's like it's. Unreal it's like when you,
Speaker 1: know Like Cheryl miller tears R acl it's, like, well
Speaker 1: you're never going to play competitive basketball. Again and then
Speaker 1: that was kind of a, thing and then it's, like,
Speaker 1: oh you're. Fine tommy john in baseball was. Normal now
Speaker 1: they can just repair your achilles. Tendon, sorry this is a,
Speaker 1: tangent BUT i still can't wrap my head around.
Speaker 2: It the one outlier Was. Dominique he tours his.
Speaker 3: Achilles that's played on a prove it deal with The
Speaker 3: clippers for like twenty nine games average thirty AND i
Speaker 3: think had one or two more elite. Seasons but then
Speaker 3: with age and the achilles maybe like slowly eroded his,
Speaker 3: athleticism even though at first he looked pretty. Good, yeah
Speaker 3: he was kind of the gold standard for a, while
Speaker 3: but for a long.
Speaker 1: While if you think about, IT.
Speaker 2: I MEAN kd definitely overcame. It but that's WHAT i, Mean.
Speaker 1: Like this is that era of like you can overcome
Speaker 1: a torn.
Speaker 2: Achilles, now it took Down elton brand in his. Prime
Speaker 2: we know.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah Chauncey billups.
Speaker 2: Or other stuff may have taken them.
Speaker 1: Down, yeah big R r SAYING i don't think we're
Speaker 1: going to Get. Watson denver holds all the, cards well kind.
Speaker 1: Of they're in the second, apron, right like they don't
Speaker 1: hold all the. Cards.
Speaker 3: YEAH i think there's a good chance that he goes
Speaker 3: to The clippers or To, milwaukee Because milwaukee has like
Speaker 3: a trade exception for twenty four million, dollars so they
Speaker 3: could give up picks Without denver having to take back much,
Speaker 3: salary if at, all For, watson and therefore could easily
Speaker 3: get under the second apron that. Way but do you
Speaker 3: sell that To? Jokich, hey we got these picks out of.
Speaker 3: THIS i know we lost the player on the court
Speaker 3: that helps us, win.
Speaker 1: Right, oh set your handle, one two. Three i'm so
Speaker 1: sorry no dips this.
Speaker 2: WEEK i, apologize, Thanks, PABLO i.
Speaker 1: Apologize this Is pablo's. Fault that's really what the what the?
Speaker 1: Issues this Is papa's. Fault send us dip. Recipes we've
Speaker 1: made them on the show, before we will make them.
Speaker 1: Again there also will not be an episode next week
Speaker 1: because it's one of the host's. Birthday, YEAH i JUST
Speaker 1: i just, YEAH i want The kauhi thing to be
Speaker 1: done so we can see what other moves we can, make,
Speaker 1: because like you, said if we're not getting those first two,
Speaker 1: PICKS i feel different about giving up a first For
Speaker 1: watson because they got to be really sure that he's
Speaker 1: going to become the.
Speaker 3: GUY i would just argue that if you're giving Up
Speaker 3: indiana's twenty twenty nine, pick they're probably pretty.
Speaker 2: Good the likelihood that that pick.
Speaker 3: Turns out to be somebody with the potential Of Peyton watson.
Speaker 2: Is not that, high just going off the. Odds BUT
Speaker 2: i get.
Speaker 3: It, people all of a sudden we got picks, again
Speaker 3: and you don't want to give them up as soon
Speaker 3: as you actually get them.
Speaker 1: Again, hey that's kind of How i'm, like let's Make
Speaker 1: but that's that's where the line, is, right can we
Speaker 1: get these extra two From? Toronto it's, Like, OKAY i
Speaker 1: feel fine about, this but not getting that then it's, like,
Speaker 1: well wait a, Second I'm pearl clutching those picks poblover
Speaker 1: in the. Year, no he did. It we Have Keaton
Speaker 1: woggler to watch next year we, have we have good things.
Speaker 2: Happening do not let that. Happen, Guys come, on, yeah
Speaker 2: do WHAT i.
Speaker 1: Did listen to the first two, parts check out for
Speaker 1: more than, ten lock in when you have nothing else to,
Speaker 1: do and then get bummed out by it a little
Speaker 1: bit because it does stink a little.
Speaker 2: Bit i'se clunch pro tip From schuck pro.
Speaker 1: Tip bail on ninety percent of the episode because they're
Speaker 1: not gonna help, you like. Not And i'm not saying
Speaker 1: that the reporting is bad or anything like, that but,
Speaker 1: like listening to these episodes as A clippers, fan it's
Speaker 1: just like, Great like you're just getting opposition info just
Speaker 1: yelled at, you and it's, like feels. Great.
Speaker 3: Dude somebody, said If pablo has proof of what he's,
Speaker 3: saying show it like he did With.
Speaker 2: Aspiration otherwise it's just.
Speaker 3: Talk so, well his proof is anonymous sources that aren't
Speaker 3: going on the. Record would they go on the record
Speaker 3: with the NBA's. Investigation would that be? DIFFERENT i, mean
Speaker 3: he is definitely able to hide behind that mountain of
Speaker 3: circumstantial evidence right now and say do you see? THIS i,
Speaker 3: mean he's he probably feels like he's in a good
Speaker 3: spot after, yesterday.
Speaker 1: He's in a great spot and again like because that's
Speaker 1: how they lined it, up and it's, like, YEAH i,
Speaker 1: THOUGHT i, Really i'm really mostly. Bomb they didn't have
Speaker 1: a snippet Of JOSEPH I ward on the last. EPISODE
Speaker 1: i was, like there's a non zero chance it.
Speaker 2: Was that was very shocking not to see.
Speaker 1: Justin that's that's WHAT i was most shocked. About other than, That,
Speaker 1: YEAH i don't. Know, oh We clippers Waved. Padulla, yeah
Speaker 1: it's a little.
Speaker 3: SURPRISING i, mean once they got And, picket it seemed
Speaker 3: like the writing.
Speaker 2: Was on the.
Speaker 1: Wall picket seems. Good he seems better Than padula.
Speaker 3: Too, yeah a little bit, older a little bit, bigger
Speaker 3: MORE nba. Experience he's had a crazy overtime game that
Speaker 3: he won them when they were down many men Against
Speaker 3: philadelphia who actually had him, vied which happened this.
Speaker 2: Season there was a.
Speaker 1: Post on The clippers subreddit where A nuggets fan was
Speaker 1: talking about them and they were, like on that, Deal
Speaker 1: like it's a pretty good. Deal so, YEAH i mean
Speaker 1: it's a two way spot and he Has i'm not
Speaker 1: mad at that at. All it's a pretty stable point,
Speaker 1: guard doesn't make, mistakes doesn't have a high, ceiling, LIKE
Speaker 1: i don't know that seems.
Speaker 3: GOOD i commarre him To Andre. Miller he looked a
Speaker 3: little bit like that with this. Movie he's not a
Speaker 3: great athlete or, anything but he's pretty. Crafty BUT i
Speaker 3: mean he's twenty, six he's not twenty one or something like.
Speaker 2: THAT i.
Speaker 1: Think so the thing THAT i keep kind of like
Speaker 1: putting out of my brain because there's only so much
Speaker 1: room for clipper stuff and there's a lot of clipper
Speaker 1: stuff happening kind of is that we don't have any
Speaker 1: rim running bigs to open the. Season and that bumps
Speaker 1: me out Because Darius garland needs a rim running big
Speaker 1: to be. GOOD i, mean any we run a lot
Speaker 1: of we're gonna run a lot of pick and. Roll
Speaker 1: it's just like it just kind of bumps me.
Speaker 2: OUT i, MEAN i think he'll still be, good.
Speaker 1: But, oh he'll still be. Good but you know WHAT i,
Speaker 1: mean best position to, Succeed, yeah a rim running big
Speaker 1: With Darius garland would be ideal, First.
Speaker 3: So you're not getting like a great sample of the
Speaker 3: best version Of Darius garland without that tandem or.
Speaker 1: Like keeping you, know like the spacing is kind of
Speaker 1: weird because we have his like novelty.
Speaker 3: THREES i, mean we know he can work with a
Speaker 3: pick and, roll big can he show something else in
Speaker 3: his game with a pick and?
Speaker 2: Pop?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah we got a lot.
Speaker 2: Of evidence with him In cleveland with some room running. Bigs.
Speaker 1: Yeah and if you're excited For yannick to get, back oh,
Speaker 1: Yeah and we Got baba how much he? Plays lest
Speaker 1: we Forget Boba miller is There babba's and got an official.
Speaker 1: Locker he put it on His instagram. Story he's got
Speaker 1: his locker with his with his name on and everything into.
Speaker 2: It that was cool to see.
Speaker 1: See good things are, happening you, know And clipper's, verse
Speaker 1: good things are.
Speaker 2: Happening what do you think of set your? Handles comment
Speaker 2: here which one best case?
Speaker 3: SCENARIO nba says not enough to claim caps or, convention
Speaker 3: but THE nba will take measures to make sure these
Speaker 3: deals will not go through in the.
Speaker 2: Future no, penalty, dude, dude no.
Speaker 1: DUDE i don't want that to, happen to be perfectly,
Speaker 1: honest because then with the way that.
Speaker 2: You want them to be, PUNISHED i.
Speaker 1: Don't want them to be punished harshly if they did anything.
Speaker 1: Wrong but, dude can you imagine how much of a
Speaker 1: nightmare it would be if there's no penalty at? All
Speaker 1: just from, like.
Speaker 2: If the explanation is, Good i'm fine with.
Speaker 1: It no one cares about the. EXPLANATION i.
Speaker 2: DO i? Care who actually care about the? Truth? DO i?
Speaker 2: Don't but just because they, won't they won't hear it
Speaker 2: because Of.
Speaker 1: Pablo but that's this percentage of people who care about the,
Speaker 1: truth WHICH i agree with. You we shouldn't worry about those.
Speaker 2: People let's cater to the angry.
Speaker 1: Mob i'm not saying cater to the angry. Mob i'm,
Speaker 1: saying no. Penalty that would be. INNOCENT i would love, that,
Speaker 1: SURE i would love that. Too part of me is.
Speaker 1: Not part of me is wondering that right. Now but
Speaker 1: if they're, innocent of, course but this That, okay let's say.
Speaker 1: This let's say there's no. Penalty, great we move. On
Speaker 1: no one ever brings it up.
Speaker 2: Again, Okay well that's.
Speaker 3: Unrealistic they're going to bring it up regardless of.
Speaker 2: That they're going to get.
Speaker 1: Punished, ALSO i don't think there's a world in which
Speaker 1: they don't get.
Speaker 3: PUNISHED i don't want to just go off Of pablo's
Speaker 3: explanation for everything and, say, well.
Speaker 2: Fair there's just too much here for to be.
Speaker 3: Ignored it's, like, well it's too much from one guy
Speaker 3: in the way he's going about the. INVESTIGATION i need
Speaker 3: to see What walktel And lipton are.
Speaker 1: Doing you want a live stream of the the, Investigation.
Speaker 2: I'd be.
Speaker 3: HONEST i almost keep saying THE nba talks is in
Speaker 3: communication with them every.
Speaker 2: Day he says that this.
Speaker 1: Would be best case. SCENARIO i will say that no
Speaker 1: punishment is obviously the best case.
Speaker 3: Scenario, Yeah, like people are gonna hate on The clippers
Speaker 3: no matter. What, uh if you think it's going, away
Speaker 3: if they get, punished it's like the next guy that
Speaker 3: they bring, in people are just gonna be, like, oh
Speaker 3: they're paying him, Somehow they're circle been in the. Cap
Speaker 3: it's it's like how The Bubble championship follows The. Lakers
Speaker 3: it's the same stuff that fans use that anything as
Speaker 3: amo they can against other, fans regardless of the validity to.
Speaker 1: It, yeah that's. TRUE i just DON'T i don't look
Speaker 1: forward to the fake protests organized outside of into it
Speaker 1: because in the era in which we, live there will
Speaker 1: be dufases doing dumb. Stuff And i'm just annoyed by
Speaker 1: that Because i'm an old.
Speaker 3: Man, now do you think OUTSIDE nba fans might pick?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: Absolutely that Would that.
Speaker 3: Might mean The clippers have peaked in popularity our version of.
Speaker 1: Our version of. Popularity, yes that's, true that would be.
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean it just seems like a. Nightmare no.
Speaker 1: PUNISHMENT i MEAN i WOULD i would cackle if there's no.
Speaker 3: Punishment, well, look a week, AGO i felt like there
Speaker 3: were three or four obvious explanations to The pablo.
Speaker 2: Reporting, sure so it's like that was a week.
Speaker 3: Ago i'm gonna completely flip based upon one other report
Speaker 3: and be, Like, oh there's no way they don't get.
Speaker 2: Punished NOW I.
Speaker 1: I think they will get. PUNISHED i kind of there's
Speaker 1: gonna be.
Speaker 3: SOMETHING i, mean it's probably more likely based upon all
Speaker 3: THE cba reads and what we've seen so. Far we've
Speaker 3: also seen one person's perspective on.
Speaker 1: This i'm not saying death sentence. Obviously i'm not saying
Speaker 1: no draft, picks no no signing new guys for two,
Speaker 1: years AND i there will be a, punishment is just
Speaker 1: What my guess is what that punishment. IS i hope
Speaker 1: it only Affects ballmer.
Speaker 3: WELL i definitely don't want to see the fans get
Speaker 3: punished for something that if they did, something it had
Speaker 3: nothing to do with the fan.
Speaker 1: Base that's What i'm saying That that's why if any
Speaker 1: if there is any, PUNISHMENT i was, like, yeah to
Speaker 1: Spend balmer or. Something Genuine, zig who's had a bunch
Speaker 1: of bad, comments has, said are we Sure chuck isn't
Speaker 1: A laker guy in disguise wants us? Punished don't want us?
Speaker 1: Punished think there will be. Punishment two distinct.
Speaker 3: Things it did kind of sound though like it would
Speaker 3: be a nightmare if we don't get, punished And i'm, like,
Speaker 3: OH i mean.
Speaker 1: From public, opinion it'd be a. Nightmare if we don't get, punished.
Speaker 2: It's a, nightmare or LIKE i Don't i'm.
Speaker 1: Not saying it's not. That i'm just saying it's it
Speaker 1: would be a, nightmare and there will be some. PUNISHMENT
Speaker 1: i don't think after all of this that silver will
Speaker 1: be like nothing.
Speaker 3: HAPPENED i hope he doesn't give in to public outcry
Speaker 3: and goes off the.
Speaker 1: Facts so that's what's tough is that that article was
Speaker 1: like he's from a couple of weeks ago Where they're,
Speaker 1: like he's not going to be swayed by public. Opinion it's, like,
Speaker 1: yeah like we All Adam silver will be swayed by public.
Speaker 3: Opinion, UNFORTUNATELY i don't know all, right like people nobody
Speaker 3: thought he was going to band all, sterling.
Speaker 1: His comments insane right or? Wrong clippers have done no?
Speaker 1: Wrong what get out of?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 1: Sorry go.
Speaker 3: AHEAD i do worry that because so many people are
Speaker 3: Saying Adam silver has no power. Here he's a, weak feeble.
Speaker 3: Commissioner And Steve bamer is the most money in the
Speaker 3: league and is the Tenth british person in the, world
Speaker 3: and he really runs things that that type of stuff
Speaker 3: could influence his decision to Show, NO i have a.
Speaker 3: Backbone we are in control. HERE i hope that's not the,
Speaker 3: case and it's just based upon what's.
Speaker 1: Fair SURE i do, too that would be, great but
Speaker 1: it's not really how things.
Speaker 2: Are it's just all. Bad it's just all.
Speaker 1: Bad ready to move, Forward Ali, Maleek ready to move?
Speaker 1: Forward well know what? AGAIN i, said we'll know what
Speaker 1: happens between now and twenty. THIRTY i guarantee you we
Speaker 1: will know what happens between now And august. Seven what.
Speaker 2: That's hard to hear because it almost sounds. Reasonable it feels.
Speaker 1: Reasonable audam of any other thoughts before we get out of,
Speaker 1: Here thank you for joining the event.
Speaker 3: SESSION i don't, know, Man i'm rooting for the. Truth
Speaker 3: yesterday didn't feel.
Speaker 1: Great i'm reading for the. Truth we need to make
Speaker 1: shirts that Say i'm reading for the.
Speaker 2: Truth i've been saying that the whole, time.
Speaker 1: For the.
Speaker 2: Truth petro's some.
Speaker 3: Money that's they're, Saying i'm root for the. Truth, LIKE
Speaker 3: i don't, NO i think that's the right way to
Speaker 3: go about these. Things, SURE i don't know if they're
Speaker 3: innocern and. GUILTY i am rooting for the. TRUTH i
Speaker 3: am rooting for the.
Speaker 2: Truth last twenty four hours don't feel very.
Speaker 1: Good can we get one positive thing to go into
Speaker 1: this next week class without us doing? Content?
Speaker 4: Uh, Yeah Boba Miller, locker.
Speaker 2: Good keep on my. Haircut that's?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 2: Right just when do you think he couldn't look any more? Attractive?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah car is furious the, guy that guy on
Speaker 1: The lakers is like what the?
Speaker 3: Hell he prints out a picture of the social media
Speaker 3: posts and crumples it.
Speaker 1: Up, yeah this.
Speaker 3: Guy, YEAH i don't. KNOW i DON'T i don't have
Speaker 3: anything that. LEGITIMATE i don't want TO i don't want
Speaker 3: to try to find a silver lining right, now like
Speaker 3: this too shall, pass whether it's whether it's sooner in twenty,
Speaker 3: thirty it. Will we will get through. It and we've
Speaker 3: literally probably been through. WORSE i think we could say, that.
Speaker 1: RIGHT i think we've been through, worse for. SURE i
Speaker 1: Think clippers fans have been through. Worse Ali maleik is
Speaker 1: asking clipped season, two who plays.
Speaker 2: Ballmer i'm going to the hat that played him in season.
Speaker 1: One i'm Going. Pattinson he's on a run right, now
Speaker 1: and he'd be, like.
Speaker 2: That does make.
Speaker 1: SENSE i won my, OSCAR i will gain the weight
Speaker 1: and shave my head and play. BALLMER i think it'd Be.
Speaker 3: Pattinson he's, Like i'm about to See Christian baale Play Al,
Speaker 3: Davis SO i got to take my game up a.
Speaker 1: Notch Jack, black that would be really, Good Paul Jack,
Speaker 1: black that's a good. Bit who will else would be
Speaker 1: a good? BALLMER i don't. Know, well we'll think of
Speaker 1: this and get back to. You great, question.
Speaker 2: Though you all have fun with that.
Speaker 1: One, yeah you, guys let us, know all, right we'll
Speaker 1: be back in two. Weeks, thanks barring any other news
Speaker 1: actual news about The. Clippers thank you for hanging. Out
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Speaker 1: appreciate that as. Well and as, always let's go. Clips