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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome to Game Spawn After Dark, episode two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty seven. I got the number right this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Then last time I always questioned the numbers, and then

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<v Speaker 2>this time that time the one time I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is this number?

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<v Speaker 3>And then it was it was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a podcast where you talk about video games.

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<v Speaker 4>Helloup Kurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes maybe we'll see Kurt. You did you did say

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<v Speaker 1>off the top of that. Even watching eighties Copola movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what a what a what a what aoo? Podcast

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<v Speaker 2>about any games? And now we're talking about Francis Ford Coppola.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true. I think Franceford Coppola was absolutely as the

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<v Speaker 2>kids say, cooking in the eighties. What brought this on?

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<v Speaker 2>Be watching eighties Copla films?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Megalopolis?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, actually, I don't know if it was entirely Megapolis.

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<v Speaker 3>I started this. Who was it?

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<v Speaker 4>We went to Cafe Zo trop we walked by it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't know if that was I think just Copa, eggs, COVID.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me keep trying, let me keep you go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh you he came to you in a dream and

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<v Speaker 5>told you to bring an out suit into the office

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<v Speaker 5>and dress people up in it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, and then that is why you started watching.

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<v Speaker 3>It came to me in a dream. He had an

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<v Speaker 3>elf suit. Coppola told me to bring it in Rest

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<v Speaker 3>in peace, Davile.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I get a Can I get a quick It's

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<v Speaker 1>Friday once again?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you believe it? It is Friday once again? Hell yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that was great, thank you. Let's end the episode here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all, oh god, tragic.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, So Copola, no, I think I saw.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Rumblefish.

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<v Speaker 2>Came up on my radar somehow, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>was like surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I know what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't like I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been watching Pluto TV streaming because I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the patience to try and find things on my own

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to take.

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<v Speaker 1>Any What do they have on Pluto TV?

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<v Speaker 2>Everything that's usually twenty years old or forty years old?

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<v Speaker 2>So you can watch constant reruns of Colombo?

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<v Speaker 5>Is there a schedule for it, like you have a schedule, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>this is when Columbo comes on?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, actually Columbo just is on all day.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a Columbo channel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it just turned into that, like multiple channels, and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>murder she wrote, channel outer Limits, Twilight Zone and then

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<v Speaker 2>there's you know, reruns of cops.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I think my wife. I don't know if it

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<v Speaker 1>was this or something similar, but my wife, like I

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<v Speaker 1>call him when she got was all excited and she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I discovered we have a channel that just plays far

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<v Speaker 1>Escape all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's one of them. Yeah, that's I think that's mostly.

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<v Speaker 1>What it was.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, We're gonna watch far Escape all day now,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, okay, okay. And since we live in

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<v Speaker 2>an age and where like discovery is is uh two?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it basically impossible due to the fact that there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much like discoveries. Actually, I believe harder because they're

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<v Speaker 2>paralyzed choices that it's it's just feels harder that I

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes find that I'm discovering things by going to Pluto

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<v Speaker 2>and just be like, what is on?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And under one of the movie channels, Peggy.

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<v Speaker 2>Sue Got Married was on and it was a clip

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, what the fuck is this? And

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<v Speaker 2>then I looked it up and I was like, Copola

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<v Speaker 2>made it. And then I realized that that would that's

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<v Speaker 2>the connection. And then before, and then I realized.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh my god, there's this movie called Rumblefish.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen. I've always want to see it. I

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<v Speaker 2>love the Outsiders and it's like a pseudo thing. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>there's the there's the strand of how we got there.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we watched Rumblefish. I loved it. My fiance

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<v Speaker 2>was indifferent. We watched Peggy Sue Got Married. Absolutely loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe we've gone this long and I have

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<v Speaker 2>not seen Nicholas Cage's performance shocked you means to death

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<v Speaker 2>because it is fucking absurd. And then because I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, what the hell else is there? I watched

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<v Speaker 2>One from the Heart, which is Francis port Coppola's pseudo

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<v Speaker 2>musical that apparently was does not sound that much different

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<v Speaker 2>of a development hell as Megapolis, where it was ballooned

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<v Speaker 2>ended up being an absolute commercial and critical failure.

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<v Speaker 3>But I actually I absolutely loved it. I just watched

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<v Speaker 1>You get admire the guys tenacity, maybe like he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>He seems to have a pattern of just not He

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<v Speaker 2>went from making he's probably a producer's worst Nightmare.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Found George Lucas. So that's another thing that slap is

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<v Speaker 2>risk for. I was just kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>He uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those things where you like, you watch

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<v Speaker 2>The Godfather and then like even The Conversation and then

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<v Speaker 2>Apocalypse and all these things, and then the eighties happened.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just like wow, wow out and just did whatever

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<v Speaker 4>Eighties did that to a lot of people, me included.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Peggas Who Got Married was actually a success though,

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<v Speaker 2>despite all of the other films he did being a failure.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's one more than I want to watch called

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<v Speaker 2>The Cotton Club, which is the nineteen twenties roaring film

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<v Speaker 2>about a black musicians and jazz and.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting yeah cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So there you go.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like I've only seen the big stuff, but

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<v Speaker 5>same Coppola, like the Godfather movies.

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<v Speaker 3>Ade a ton in the nineties, two.

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<v Speaker 4>Eyes, White Shot.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not him, No, that's Stanley co Yeah, that's Stanley Kubrack.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't I want to rewatch Dracula because Bram Stroker's Dracula. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because of a notes fraud too. I quite enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>And George has never seen Dracula. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should watch that. I think you'd enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen it either.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Iyes White shows fantastic. By the way, I watched

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<v Speaker 2>that for the first time.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I watched it for the first time about a

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<v Speaker 5>year and a half ago. So yeah, amazing, Bram, Sure

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<v Speaker 5>it was Dracula.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun fact, so in that movie, they have those like

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<v Speaker 2>really cool weird red armor suits that look like and

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<v Speaker 2>that was the entire point. They were designed to look

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<v Speaker 2>like muscles and human Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was. There was that woman who like,

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<v Speaker 1>uh he hired like a like a Japanese woman to

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<v Speaker 1>like it has almost as like like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it has almost as like Japanese Asian influence to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and they look sick. But here's the fact. They

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<v Speaker 3>were re used. The exact same suits were reused in

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<v Speaker 3>the movie The Cell the exactly. I've never seen it,

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<v Speaker 3>hate that movie, but the house pulled them out.

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<v Speaker 2>J Loo put it on when she goes into the

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<v Speaker 2>dream world, like that's the that's the uniform she wears

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<v Speaker 2>because it's the exact same suit.

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<v Speaker 5>It's kind of how you know, like if no one

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<v Speaker 5>keeps it, they go to a prop house on the

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<v Speaker 5>studio and then you anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Can of such a distinguished it's just such a distinguishable

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<v Speaker 3>Ill just put it in this.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think the people from the cell even knew

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<v Speaker 1>what it was from.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to entertain it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched that movie also for the first time early

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<v Speaker 2>or in October last year. I rented it. I paid money,

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<v Speaker 2>and I couldn't make it all the way through and stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, there you go. It's like a new metal music

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<v Speaker 2>video for the most for the most part, Oh okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>now you're selling me.

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<v Speaker 3>When did it come out? New Metal time?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Nice? I think two one something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of the new metal or new metal adjacent has

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<v Speaker 1>no o Limp Biscuits back? Oh and the Devil May

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<v Speaker 1>Cry Netflix good, Oh my god, just like one of

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<v Speaker 1>those Like that's not what I expected to hear, but

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<v Speaker 1>also what a pitch perfect choice.

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<v Speaker 2>But even more bizarre that there's like no dialogue. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a music video. Oh for that song?

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking to mass but about it because me

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<v Speaker 1>and him big Devil May Cry fans, and we're like

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like, he said, his coworker told him this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I agree. It feels like they're trying to capture

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<v Speaker 1>the spirit of like an early a m V video.

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<v Speaker 1>And and in fact, we then googled a m V

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<v Speaker 1>LM biscuit and found a music video that somebody made

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<v Speaker 1>like years ago, specifically for Devil May Cry, specifically for

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<v Speaker 1>Devil May Crime. Wow, So it was like, yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they were just like, what if we just do that?

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<v Speaker 1>What if we just embody the spirit of two thousands

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<v Speaker 1>a mvs when they were at their peak. There is

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<v Speaker 1>also when Devil May Cry was out of his peak,

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<v Speaker 1>which is when it all makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Dante wasn't wearing like a fitted red cap shirt, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and doing it all for the nookie.

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<v Speaker 1>He would he would listen to olymp Biscuit. You would

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<v Speaker 1>have that plan on his jukebox, so you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can take that cookie and stick it in your ear.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are things that somebody wrote on paper and said

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<v Speaker 2>in the microphone and like became famous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good for them, Yeah, I know, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's just envy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're just jealous. Yeah, just like fun. Why can't

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<v Speaker 1>I be that stupid? Anyway, I'm really excited for that show.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a double my cry fan.

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<v Speaker 4>When's it supposed to come out April? Oh that's close ish?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Netflix and their anime game anime.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the guy's name? Audi Audi Shanker. He's like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like that he's he's the He's like the producer who

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<v Speaker 1>likes got it green lay. He got the Castlevania green Light.

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<v Speaker 1>He also did the Captain Laser Hawk. Uh uh, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>be soft thing that was like really weird where they

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<v Speaker 1>turn ray Man into like a he like shoots up

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<v Speaker 1>a building or something. It's like, really weird. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>weird that that guy seems weird.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like the do you there's a famous Italian producer

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<v Speaker 2>in the eighties, d Delarentus.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude's name is on everything the moment you start paying

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<v Speaker 2>attention to producer credits and in the eighties films, in

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<v Speaker 2>like late seventies, that man's name is everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>So we just have him in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that we can just turn to, like I can

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<v Speaker 3>Most of them are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah anyway, uh jack, yep, have you been watching any movies?

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<v Speaker 3>Nope? No, great, I have not done Geese.

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<v Speaker 5>We went to Naxad, into your favorite bar, into my

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<v Speaker 4>Good time. I did play more Indiana Jones.

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<v Speaker 5>Finally continuing that made it almost through Giza, still really

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<v Speaker 5>Like I wish I had already played it and like

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<v Speaker 4>I was cranking up the settings on my ultra wide monitor, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just are you playing in the anamorphic Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>cinema moment, Yeah, doing that as well, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It just it feels feels right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I haven't downloaded. I haven't had a chance to, Like,

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<v Speaker 5>It's weird because I feel like I've already talked so

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<v Speaker 5>much about it, but I guess a lot of that

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<v Speaker 5>didn't actually end up anywhere. I guess on the podcast

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<v Speaker 5>people didn't talk about it before. But my opinions haven't

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<v Speaker 5>changed it all, Like as I'm going through, like i'd

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<v Speaker 4>The combat's a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 5>It is starting to get like once you figure out

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<v Speaker 5>of guards and then you're overwhelmed, be a little tougher,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know, you see someone, you whip the weapon

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<v Speaker 5>over the head. And you kind of just do that

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<v Speaker 5>a bunch, which I find very satisfying. But I can

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<v Speaker 5>see how the simplicity of combat maybe it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>There's at least a lot of expression. Though. That was like, like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's one thing. I mean, sure, everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Can find their rhythm and their repetition of how they

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<v Speaker 3>But I have found that people still take on situations differently.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea sure. Nonetheless, I still have not shot a gun.

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<v Speaker 5>I picked up I have shot a gun, but because

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<v Speaker 5>I picked up one of the German rifle or something and.

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<v Speaker 1>That you can do that. I've never seen a game

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like, oh I can flip it, yeah bam.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I still have not felt the what it's like

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<v Speaker 5>to kill a man. I mean, to be honest, it's

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<v Speaker 5>pretty satisfying. Oh sorry, in the game, it's uh no,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean it it's fine. Like I know a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people said, ah, like, I think even your previews said,

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<v Speaker 5>like aiming felt pretty clunky, did.

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<v Speaker 3>You Yeah, I mean, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Mean I'm playing on PC, so like by nature feels

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<v Speaker 5>a little better, I think, But it doesn't feel terrible,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's still very much like I shoot someone and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just like, yeah, I just think.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned the worst lesson during my preview session where

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<v Speaker 2>I shot the on ones and it just turned into

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<v Speaker 2>fucking hell in a good way of just I was

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<v Speaker 2>just it just did.

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<v Speaker 3>Not feel like a pragmatic way to deal with the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I'm sure I could, Like, if I wanted to,

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<v Speaker 5>I also like like the balance between stealth and action too,

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<v Speaker 5>because it maybe it's partly the character, maybe it's it's

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<v Speaker 5>definitely how the game is designed, but like, I play

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<v Speaker 5>stealth until I get caught, and I don't feel bad

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<v Speaker 5>about like whipping weapons out of it and getting in a fistfight.

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<v Speaker 5>Well like the Dishonored games I loved, but like, oh

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<v Speaker 5>my god, I was so obsessed with that stealth score

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<v Speaker 5>where I'd just be like, yep, reset, reset, reset, reset reset,

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta do it again.

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta do it again. And after you there'd be

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<v Speaker 5>In Dishonored too, where it would like point different directions

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<v Speaker 5>and if I was like not where I wanted to be.

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<v Speaker 3>I would get frustrated.

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<v Speaker 2>That's always, that's always because I adore those games, but

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<v Speaker 2>there is a weird dishonored.

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<v Speaker 3>I still felt bad if I wasn't playing at stealth.

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<v Speaker 2>And in most cases I would go to the two

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<v Speaker 2>extremes where it's like I'm either gonna like go far

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<v Speaker 2>these people, or I'm gonna stal my way out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think too, I was like fucking just destroying

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<v Speaker 2>shit and it felt great, but I still felt like

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't sounds stupid, but it felt like the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though you can play however you want, there's still

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<v Speaker 2>like the intention of designing things in.

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<v Speaker 3>Such a way that's like, well, I see how I

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<v Speaker 3>could steal through this.

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<v Speaker 5>I still want to even to an extent, like scoring

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<v Speaker 5>your performance like kind of feeds into that where it's like,

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<v Speaker 5>at least for me, I remember playing like Splinter Cell

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<v Speaker 5>Chast three back in the day, and you get like

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<v Speaker 5>a stealth rating and one hundred percent would be the best,

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<v Speaker 5>and like you don't say you'd fire, yeah, you'd fire

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<v Speaker 5>a gun at one point on accident or a silence

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<v Speaker 5>gun and then your stealth score with tank and you

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't know until you finished it, and you're like, damn it,

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<v Speaker 5>you have to do it again.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean you wouldn't have to do it again, but

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<v Speaker 4>I would do it again.

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<v Speaker 5>So for me, like, I think that sort of stuff

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<v Speaker 5>is cool, but I just don't want it unless I

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<v Speaker 5>want it, you know, like maybe have a setting where

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<v Speaker 5>it's like, like, don't show me any of that, just

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<v Speaker 5>let me play the game how I want to play.

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<v Speaker 5>And then if I'm replaying it and I want to

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<v Speaker 5>be scored or I want to like really figure out

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<v Speaker 5>like kind of how these different play styles interact and change,

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<v Speaker 5>then I can.

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<v Speaker 3>Turn that on. I think remember Splintering, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as in it's great. I know you'd claims they're

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<v Speaker 1>making a new one.

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<v Speaker 5>But uh, rest in peace. Sam Fisher, he did die, right,

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Ionside?

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, Michael Ionside didn't die. I know I'm talking

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<v Speaker 3>about Sam Fisher. I forgot that. Michael Einside did the voice.

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<v Speaker 4>Sam and then they replaced.

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<v Speaker 1>But they did get him back for I think his

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<v Speaker 1>last appearance was in wild Lands.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think it was one.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was a breakpoint or was it wild

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<v Speaker 4>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And is that a great scene of him and burn

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<v Speaker 2>notice where the helicopter.

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<v Speaker 1>Will love that scene. I just remember being like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>Michael iron sorry. And then it was just two seconds

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<v Speaker 1>they dragged him out. They said, they said, here was

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<v Speaker 1>a bottle of booze. Do come on set.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean he's in uh, he's in Barry.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen.

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<v Speaker 5>Who's in nobody that like uh oh yeah, like John Wick,

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<v Speaker 5>but not John Wick.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched that movie, but I.

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<v Speaker 2>For I remember, isn't it yeah yeah, hmmm, weird. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>that he's the father in law. Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 5>His voice is also in Late Night with the Devil

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<v Speaker 5>at the beginning he does the setup or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I realized.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I think it was him because I remember

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<v Speaker 5>getting excited about something. And even when I get excited about.

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<v Speaker 1>Something, how much could it costs for us to get

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Ironside.

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<v Speaker 5>A bottle of boots and five back and we can

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<v Speaker 5>handshake Michael Lionside can do all of our intros, you

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<v Speaker 5>could do our you could replace Ben there everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, I'm just gonna have quotes.

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt smells his own farts.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, now that's not true. I don't care anyone who

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<v Speaker 3>says that's not a thing I've done.

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<v Speaker 4>In my life.

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<v Speaker 5>Smell your own farts, or smell in my hand and

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<v Speaker 5>then smell Yeah, he farts in his hands and smells them.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Kurt, Hey enough, we're gonna I'm gonna hope

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<v Speaker 1>a skip and jump over to Kurt. Hopa hopa skip

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<v Speaker 1>and jump. Good for a new segment. I'm calling Kurt's Hogs.

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<v Speaker 3>Really Kurts Hogs.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to read this.

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<v Speaker 3>For those who are listening, I'm given I been given

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<v Speaker 3>a envelope. This is a this is a lot of texts.

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<v Speaker 1>Read it m HM.

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<v Speaker 2>As reporter Sam Wilde, you must work quickly to unravel

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<v Speaker 2>a bizarre series of disappearances involving young and beautiful people.

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<v Speaker 2>Your investigations suddenly becomes this is the game that I played.

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<v Speaker 2>Your investigation suddenly becomes personals. The next victim of this

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<v Speaker 2>psychotic serial killer is Anna, your love. Sam's every move

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<v Speaker 2>is being tracked, so he has to be extra careful,

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<v Speaker 2>putting his journalistic talents to the test. Sam must find

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<v Speaker 2>the maniac who kidnapped Anna and stop him before it's

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<v Speaker 2>too late. Travel to gold Veil, manner, and scour every

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<v Speaker 2>nook and cranny of the Grand Mansion for clues that

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<v Speaker 2>might lead to her rescue. Use your instincts and intellect

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<v Speaker 2>to solve devious puzzles, avoid traps, and defy the lunatic's

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<v Speaker 2>treacherous scheme. Will you ever escape his clutches? Venture into

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<v Speaker 2>the realm of a madman to free your beloved. Am

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<v Speaker 2>I supposed to read this start thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Venture into the.

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<v Speaker 2>Realm of a mad man to free your beloved from

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<v Speaker 2>captivity and Brink of Consciousness. During Gray Syndrome's Collector's addition,

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible hidden object puzzle adventure game.

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt tell me about Brink of Consciousness Dorrian Gray Syndrome.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad that I get the entire synops of

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<v Speaker 3>that game. Dorian Uh. Brink of Consciousness Dorian.

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<v Speaker 2>Gray Syndrome is the latest hidden object game that I've played,

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<v Speaker 2>which is actually a decade or dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I get it. Sorry, a hidden object game.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, sorry, sorry, I was like trying to figure out

429
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<v Speaker 2>where hogs fits in.

430
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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Yeah, anyway, that's what they're called, either that or

431
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<v Speaker 5>hopahs Hopah's.

432
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<v Speaker 2>Hidden object game, hidden object puzzle adventure. I like hogs

433
00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.279
<v Speaker 2>hog on over to this Hope hope hog We're hogging

434
00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:42.759
<v Speaker 2>on over. Anyways, it's actually one of the probably better

435
00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've said that a couple of times.

436
00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I keep playing ones that are good better examples than

437
00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:49.119
<v Speaker 2>really bad examples. But I would say the brink of

438
00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:51.599
<v Speaker 2>consciousness Dorian Gray syndrome is up there.

439
00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I saw it had an overwhelmingly positive on Steam.

440
00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:55.799
<v Speaker 4>Really wow.

441
00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:58.359
<v Speaker 1>There were only forty seven reviews though, but they were

442
00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:01.640
<v Speaker 1>still all of them were positive. So I think within that,

443
00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:06.519
<v Speaker 1>the the you know that audience seems pretty pretty pretty,

444
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<v Speaker 1>I'm tell you.

445
00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:08.559
<v Speaker 2>The one thing that should knock this down a peg

446
00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:13.880
<v Speaker 2>is that usually these games have very limited voice acting.

447
00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:18.160
<v Speaker 2>In this fucking game, every fucking time you enter a

448
00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:22.720
<v Speaker 2>fucking room, someone talks this. The guy whoever's taking Sam

449
00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Anna know you're Sam Wilde. Sam Wyle doesn't say shit,

450
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:30.319
<v Speaker 2>thank god. But the person who kidnapped Anna, he's.

451
00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:31.920
<v Speaker 6>Like, eh, welcome to the room.

452
00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:34.960
<v Speaker 3>He talks for like five minutes straight.

453
00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:37.519
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I remember when I was a child.

454
00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.480
<v Speaker 6>I used to play with wires and screws, and then

455
00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:40.799
<v Speaker 6>I put together this thing.

456
00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:43.440
<v Speaker 2>And he just doesn't shut the fuck up. So that's

457
00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:44.920
<v Speaker 2>like the worst part. You enter a room, you can

458
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<v Speaker 2>always guarantee this guy's.

459
00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:48.359
<v Speaker 6>Like, oh, I once took a ship in the corner

460
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<v Speaker 6>of this room and wrapped it up and gave it

461
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<v Speaker 6>to my father as a present.

462
00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.000
<v Speaker 2>It's just like like he actually said that it'd be

463
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<v Speaker 2>like keep this going, but in this case, I was

464
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<v Speaker 2>just he was just always just like, oh.

465
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<v Speaker 6>I once I once put together they're a puzzle love

466
00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:03.319
<v Speaker 6>of my mother. And then I folded it up and

467
00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:04.839
<v Speaker 6>put it inside a bomb and I ate it.

468
00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:06.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, fucking know anyways, So that's the one

469
00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:07.799
<v Speaker 3>you have to click.

470
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<v Speaker 4>On the the most.

471
00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Guests like that's the I like writing obviously other stories

472
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:16.759
<v Speaker 2>and I like things. I fucking skip by every single time.

473
00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Every single time this person fucking spoke, I was like,

474
00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:21.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hear your bullshit, and I went

475
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<v Speaker 2>to the hidden object section of the game or something

476
00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:24.000
<v Speaker 2>like that.

477
00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:27.960
<v Speaker 3>But the puzzles are actually pretty good. Yeah, I don't

478
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<v Speaker 3>know what else do you want to know? Anything important?

479
00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:31.039
<v Speaker 3>Anything fun?

480
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<v Speaker 1>I looked at images of the game and I just

481
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<v Speaker 1>see like there's like a man hanging. Yeah, there's a

482
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<v Speaker 1>really just like there's some weird so the whole going

483
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<v Speaker 1>for a horror sterio killery VI.

484
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

485
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<v Speaker 2>But the one thing that I found really weird was,

486
00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:44.160
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if this is intentional, and maybe

487
00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:46.440
<v Speaker 2>this is a byproduct of my issue with games where

488
00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:47.039
<v Speaker 2>everyone needs to.

489
00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.720
<v Speaker 3>Be pretty, but there was like a real like kind of.

490
00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, that's like sexually charge undertone of like

491
00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:57.319
<v Speaker 2>very young boys men not boys. Maybe that's not right.

492
00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Young men, young attractive men who were like kidnapped by

493
00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:04.359
<v Speaker 2>this serial killer and then and putting them in green goop.

494
00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:08.960
<v Speaker 5>Maybe it's Dorian Gray syndrome because he was trying to

495
00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:11.519
<v Speaker 5>study these young men to reversus aging.

496
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:16.759
<v Speaker 2>Sure, he's wearing a mask, okay, oh okay, and then

497
00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:18.079
<v Speaker 2>he tries to put you in green goop.

498
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, any of.

499
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<v Speaker 1>You, where would you rank this.

500
00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.519
<v Speaker 2>In the list of Well, we're gonna have to start

501
00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:33.440
<v Speaker 2>coming up with an actual list. Probably we can do that. Well,

502
00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.119
<v Speaker 2>we'll start here. I mean you have to understand that

503
00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I've played like fucking like three or forty.

504
00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:41.279
<v Speaker 3>It's something stupid.

505
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:43.279
<v Speaker 1>This is a fresh list.

506
00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:44.440
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

507
00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I've actually been wanting to go back and replay True

508
00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Fear for Sagan Souls because that was one of the

509
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:53.319
<v Speaker 2>first ones I played and it was really good, and

510
00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the bar was way too high for those.

511
00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:59.680
<v Speaker 2>But I would for now put true Fear for Sagan Souls,

512
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:03.559
<v Speaker 2>True fear and that doesn't that and I'm it's hard

513
00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:06.079
<v Speaker 2>for me to do. I put like, there's two parts.

514
00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Do I like, choose one or the other? Do you

515
00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:10.799
<v Speaker 2>think is it? Do you feel like they're essential to

516
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:12.119
<v Speaker 2>each other kind of?

517
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:14.440
<v Speaker 3>But they're also Yeah, I would say, I would say

518
00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:15.079
<v Speaker 3>the first one is.

519
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:16.759
<v Speaker 1>The True Fear duology.

520
00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:18.519
<v Speaker 2>But I will say the first one is the most

521
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:20.920
<v Speaker 2>hitten I'm sorry, hidden object of them all, like you

522
00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:22.640
<v Speaker 2>actually have hid an object screens. The second one is

523
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:23.799
<v Speaker 2>more adventure puzzle game.

524
00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:28.079
<v Speaker 3>Fuck, I feel like I need to look through my list,

525
00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:29.240
<v Speaker 3>but I don't.

526
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<v Speaker 1>Hmm, but I get I guess, like a ballpark, like

527
00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to give me a number, but just

528
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:37.039
<v Speaker 1>like if there was like a scale, there's there's a

529
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:38.599
<v Speaker 1>like where would it be?

530
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<v Speaker 2>I would say Cadenza music, the one with a monkey. Yeah,

531
00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:45.319
<v Speaker 2>that's a good that's up there.

532
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>That's up there, that's high up in the I would.

533
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<v Speaker 3>Say, let's just put that at two for now.

534
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm writing all this down that's number two.

535
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Oh Bullocks Enigmatis is good, but I don't think

536
00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.519
<v Speaker 2>it's that good. I think that was like a point

537
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:05.680
<v Speaker 2>for the genre and the twenty tens. I'll just put

538
00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:08.799
<v Speaker 2>down Dorian Gray's Syndrome is number three for now. I guess,

539
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:10.799
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, I mean, I'm gonna have to lift through

540
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:11.039
<v Speaker 2>my list.

541
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.960
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy because you told me you thought the other

542
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Brinker Consciousness game was better.

543
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.799
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a actually well written.

544
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:21.799
<v Speaker 1>Game, okay, but I don't know if I like it more.

545
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh interesting, Like I think it's like so where the

546
00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.440
<v Speaker 2>first we're I think the product it's like a good

547
00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:30.160
<v Speaker 2>example of where you could what you could do with

548
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.839
<v Speaker 2>the genre if you actually had money and paid actors

549
00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and had writing, because most of these games barely fucking

550
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.799
<v Speaker 2>have any actual dialogue in them, and in most cases

551
00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:41.519
<v Speaker 2>it's just to push you along to the next thing.

552
00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:44.079
<v Speaker 2>But this one actually had like the ability to click

553
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.240
<v Speaker 2>on characters multiple times, and they just had a never

554
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>ending amount of shit to say.

555
00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:49.000
<v Speaker 3>That was very impressed by it.

556
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I also haven't finished it, so I don't feel oh

557
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:55.359
<v Speaker 2>confident in bringing them, but I do think the first

558
00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>one feels like a better.

559
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:01.319
<v Speaker 3>Entry point for a good hidden object game.

560
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, hog a hog Well, there you go. That was

561
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 1>kurtz Hogg's.

562
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<v Speaker 3>Thanks. I'll have more to talk about next week next

563
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:10.160
<v Speaker 3>week for no one who cares.

564
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:13.319
<v Speaker 1>I care, Thank you, this is my podcast.

565
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:18.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't I know. I keep suggesting them to you,

566
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:18.640
<v Speaker 3>both of you.

567
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

568
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 2>And even I even said, I was like, hey, Drian

569
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Gray syndrome is a dollar fifty.

570
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:26.839
<v Speaker 3>It was. I don't know if it still is.

571
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>You know it is because again I had to go

572
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to Steam earlier.

573
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Exactly so you know, I'm I do endlessly always feel

574
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:37.920
<v Speaker 2>like I'm talking to myself about these things. In a way,

575
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:39.839
<v Speaker 2>they're my little secret I guess.

576
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well no, because because you know, I've talked about

577
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:44.519
<v Speaker 1>my love of Nancy Drew. And while they're not the

578
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.319
<v Speaker 1>same Nancy Drea games are not hidden object games people

579
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.519
<v Speaker 1>keep saying they are, they're not, but they're in that

580
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:56.559
<v Speaker 1>same puzzle puzzle adventure. They're in that same uh space,

581
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 1>and the puzzles and there are crossover.

582
00:26:59.039 --> 00:26:59.240
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

583
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:01.039
<v Speaker 2>And I think the main thing that kind of makes

584
00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:05.599
<v Speaker 2>a Hope a sort of nonsensical is that the puzzles

585
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.680
<v Speaker 2>really don't make a lot of contextual sense in the

586
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:12.559
<v Speaker 2>environment it's missed. Like, even though the puzzles are missed

587
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:14.400
<v Speaker 2>are absurd, they fit in the context that you're in

588
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:16.799
<v Speaker 2>a world that is alien and made by something else.

589
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:18.000
<v Speaker 3>You're trying to figure out.

590
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.119
<v Speaker 1>The word you are, yeah, interacting with this device that

591
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:22.559
<v Speaker 1>turns on this thing, and but.

592
00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:24.960
<v Speaker 2>These games exist in our world and the puzzles make

593
00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>fucking absolutely no logical.

594
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because it's usually like, oh, do this puzzle,

595
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 1>and then it's like, hey, congrats, you have a comb now,

596
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:34.119
<v Speaker 1>and then you can use the comb over there, and

597
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.160
<v Speaker 1>that gets you like a a nut.

598
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.599
<v Speaker 4>What was the game? What was the game with the

599
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 4>monkey and the bum That was Cadenza?

600
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where you had to where a monkey was blocking

601
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.359
<v Speaker 2>an alleyway and a monkey wouldn't let you go through

602
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>unless you play the old the classic game of guess

603
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the floor de ly under the cup game. And once

604
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:54.680
<v Speaker 2>you beat this monkey at his own game, that's when

605
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:56.920
<v Speaker 2>he shuffles on over. And then you find a homeless

606
00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.559
<v Speaker 2>man that has a hangover and you got to get

607
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 2>him drug. But in order to do that, you have

608
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 2>to cut a bottle down from a rope that's saying put.

609
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:06.839
<v Speaker 5>You can't just cut it down. You need to get

610
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:08.359
<v Speaker 5>a pillow.

611
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Before you get the pillow, you need to stuff a

612
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:15.480
<v Speaker 2>pillow case with cotton that is apparently help cleaning up.

613
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 3>The oil of a car tire change.

614
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyways, yeah, and then you get the drugs you

615
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.559
<v Speaker 2>find on the in someone's bag, and then you mix

616
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.039
<v Speaker 2>it with water and then you give to the homeless man.

617
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:29.039
<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh, thank you, here's the key, he's to

618
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 3>the club. Anyways, that's just a normal puzzle one.

619
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:38.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that seems very standard, amazing, so get on it.

620
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:42.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, play one. I will True Fear for Saken Souls

621
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:43.319
<v Speaker 3>Part one.

622
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I know, because you said it's if that one's too good.

623
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:48.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to have that same.

624
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:50.640
<v Speaker 3>I want to play the best one and then not

625
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:51.240
<v Speaker 3>play anymore.

626
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:51.559
<v Speaker 5>Now.

627
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:53.079
<v Speaker 2>I want if I'm going to even know at this point,

628
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:54.359
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm saying. I don't even know at this

629
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.160
<v Speaker 2>point of True Fear is the best one. It's just

630
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:59.519
<v Speaker 2>the first one I played that was good, got legitimately good.

631
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:00.960
<v Speaker 3>I should probably go back.

632
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:02.279
<v Speaker 2>And see if it holds up now that I've played

633
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.400
<v Speaker 2>a dozen and see you'll see what if my opinion

634
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:06.039
<v Speaker 2>has changed of it.

635
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:10.839
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know. Oh my god.

636
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:13.240
<v Speaker 5>Then there's like, I guess stop talking about these, because

637
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:15.279
<v Speaker 5>I started remembering the wedding one that I played. It

638
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.079
<v Speaker 5>was a wedding one, Vegas wedding one where you got

639
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 5>it where you go to Vegas and you helpe something

640
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:21.200
<v Speaker 5>plan their wedding and it's just a series.

641
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 1>And then and then you were in the game for

642
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:24.039
<v Speaker 1>some reason.

643
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm going to be in.

644
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 5>It turned out you're like, and that's me at the

645
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:31.359
<v Speaker 5>and every time you cast the spell.

646
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, fiance, fiance. You can't talk about that.

647
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, something I can talk about Eternal Strands?

648
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:42.240
<v Speaker 3>Is that a strand game? Good game?

649
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 4>A game?

650
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm no, because Norman Reeves isn't in it, so

651
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>you should be though. Norman's pedis Norman's petus.

652
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

653
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Eternal Strands is a new game by get the studio name,

654
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 1>but they're like an up and coming studio. Mike Laylaw,

655
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.839
<v Speaker 1>who you might know as UH worked at Bywear on

656
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the Dragon Age series. UH is kind of like heading

657
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:16.759
<v Speaker 1>up the project. It's it's a budget game that is

658
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:19.839
<v Speaker 1>definitely like I would say, kind of like punching above

659
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 1>its weight. It feels like where it's like it's a

660
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.119
<v Speaker 1>game that to me, you can like it simultaneously looks

661
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:27.119
<v Speaker 1>like gorgeous and beautiful, but also you can like see

662
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the limitations of it, like, oh, it's kind of like

663
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:34.039
<v Speaker 1>a budget game. It is a game that I guess

664
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.119
<v Speaker 1>should back up and say what kind of game it is.

665
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:43.839
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's basically a action adventure game where you

666
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>go into these sort of little spaces that are it's

667
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:50.119
<v Speaker 1>not like full open world, like each each part of

668
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the world is kind of segmented. So I would say

669
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>it's more like these little monster hunter style like kind

670
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:57.519
<v Speaker 1>of hub areas where you're finding monsters and and you

671
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>do quests and then you go back to like your

672
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.400
<v Speaker 1>camp where like all your allies are and that's where

673
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:06.119
<v Speaker 1>you do your crafting and whatnot. But what makes the

674
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.599
<v Speaker 1>game unique is that it has all of these like

675
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.079
<v Speaker 1>powers that you could use that you can like manipulate

676
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.519
<v Speaker 1>the world in and very zelda e. I would say,

677
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:20.279
<v Speaker 1>so it's specifically Breath of the Wild, right, so like, oh,

678
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>you like have fire and you can like like grass

679
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>on fire, or you know, you have like ice powers

680
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.240
<v Speaker 1>and you can like freeze enemies in place and like

681
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>do stuff like that. This is a weird one for me.

682
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 1>I played the opening like section of the game for

683
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.599
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes and I did not like it at all.

684
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.599
<v Speaker 1>I thought the the movement felt floating off, the combat

685
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>felt really like weak, like none, like none of the

686
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:50.279
<v Speaker 1>hits felt good and and and the powers were like

687
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>cool but kind of sloppy. And I was just like,

688
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not feeling the gameplay. I whatever they're

689
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 1>saying for like like, I'm sure sure the writing is.

690
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.359
<v Speaker 1>I think that the individual dialogue writing is good, like

691
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:09.480
<v Speaker 1>the characters are are are well written, but like when

692
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:11.359
<v Speaker 1>it comes to the exposition of the world, I was like,

693
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.519
<v Speaker 1>I do not give a shit what they are saying

694
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 1>at all. Like I was just like, I don't really

695
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:19.759
<v Speaker 1>care what's happening in this universe. This is not compelling

696
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Speaker 1>to me. And then on top of that, while it

697
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.119
<v Speaker 1>is good looking, I would say it also kind of

698
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.079
<v Speaker 1>has that sort of I don't know, like kind of

699
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:35.640
<v Speaker 1>a clean anime Dungeons and Dragons. The art style, I

700
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>don't even know how to describe that art style, but

701
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like you've seen it before and you're like, oh, yeah, like.

702
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 3>That looks like Immortals, Phoenix Rising yes, it.

703
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Kind of looks like that. It has that sort of

704
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>like modern clean D and D kind of look that

705
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.039
<v Speaker 1>is like again well made, but it's just like it's

706
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 1>not really like for me exactly, so I wasn't. I

707
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>was like, man, I don't know if this game's my thing,

708
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>but I kept playing it, and slowly it did start

709
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.559
<v Speaker 1>to win me over with the like mechanics as I

710
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:11.799
<v Speaker 1>started to kind of like see what it was trying

711
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 1>to do, and I think like the big thing that

712
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, okay, this is interesting is there is

713
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:24.319
<v Speaker 1>an early boss fight against this giant like Colossal. Uh

714
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's like a like mechanical like giant,

715
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:32.599
<v Speaker 1>and you have to like climate shadow the cost style

716
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.200
<v Speaker 1>and like wail on it. And I was like, okay,

717
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.119
<v Speaker 1>that's cool. But the part that made it really cool

718
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>was realizing, oh, I can use my ice powers to

719
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>freeze its legs and like lock it in place, or

720
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I can use there's this ability where you get this

721
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:54.759
<v Speaker 1>little like gravity well that you can like it'll like

722
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 1>suck things in and then when you like hit the button,

723
00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:59.079
<v Speaker 1>it'll like detonate and explode and like send everything flying out.

724
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.119
<v Speaker 1>You can jump over that and then detonate it and

725
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>launch yourself and like get on to the to the

726
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:08.639
<v Speaker 1>beast or like I thought a dragon and I would

727
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>like freeze its wings and would like cause the dragon

728
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.159
<v Speaker 1>to like fall out of the air and crash. And

729
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.679
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Okay, this is like really cool, Like

730
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm there are things I can do to manipulate the

731
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:21.719
<v Speaker 1>world that are like actually like really fun and like interesting.

732
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I still struggle with, like I still don't care about

733
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.519
<v Speaker 1>the story. It's fine. I'm pretty much skipping most of

734
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 1>the dialogue. It's just like it's just it's just but

735
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just not for me. Yes, Well, and what was

736
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:41.400
<v Speaker 1>his role in Dragon Age? Yeah, uh, I forget what

737
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>his role was on one, but I believe he was

738
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>like the creative director of two. Okay, so and I'm

739
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not one hundred percent sure like what his

740
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:52.239
<v Speaker 1>exact role is in this game. I just like his

741
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.280
<v Speaker 1>name's kind of the big name like attached to it.

742
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:58.039
<v Speaker 1>I think the story is fine, It's it's very it's

743
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:03.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of that like like, uh, all the characters are

744
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.679
<v Speaker 1>just sort of I wouldn't say it's frictionless in terms

745
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:09.519
<v Speaker 1>of like, uh conflict, because there are definitely like personality

746
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 1>conflicts where it's like, oh, you know, like I'm I'm

747
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:15.599
<v Speaker 1>angry at you about this, or like, you know, our

748
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.960
<v Speaker 1>personalities are clashing, but it's still kind of had. It's

749
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.639
<v Speaker 1>it's very light on that in that it's still mostly

750
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 1>like everyone here for the most part like gets along,

751
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>and it's like that kind of I don't know, more typical.

752
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:27.880
<v Speaker 1>You see it a lot where it's like it's a

753
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 1>D and D game where where the party for the

754
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:34.880
<v Speaker 1>most part gets along with each other and they're not

755
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, like there's not friction with it.

756
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>There is there any sort of does it fill any

757
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.280
<v Speaker 2>void for a Dragon Age like player at all?

758
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Or I would say no because it's a very different

759
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of game. Yeah, that's the thing. Like it's I

760
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.280
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say if you were like, oh, Dragon Age, you

761
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:51.679
<v Speaker 1>should play this, because it's not the same kind of

762
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 1>game at all. It does have like dialogue choices, for example,

763
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>but the dialogue choices are just you picking kind of

764
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.159
<v Speaker 1>what you want to say response, but it doesn't actually

765
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.079
<v Speaker 1>affect anything. And the game says that upfront, like the

766
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.480
<v Speaker 1>game is not trying to like trick you, like it

767
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.079
<v Speaker 1>says like, hey, the dialogue is just for you to like,

768
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:11.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, have a little agency in conversations. This doesn't

769
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:16.679
<v Speaker 1>actually change anything. It's just for you to, you know, sure,

770
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:18.760
<v Speaker 1>have your own input, which is fine, Like there's nothing

771
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.119
<v Speaker 1>wrong with that, but it's it's it's not that kind

772
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of game. It is a like I'm going to run

773
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.199
<v Speaker 1>around in this space and kind of use these powers

774
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:29.639
<v Speaker 1>in these abilities and explore and mess with stuff. And

775
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I do find the exploration fun. However, I will say

776
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:39.440
<v Speaker 1>there is also a crafting gathering system for the armor.

777
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't mind the crafting aspect because I actually think

778
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like fairly intuitive, where you basically you just make

779
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 1>like a couple sets of armor, and you can change

780
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>those sets to affect the different elements. So you could

781
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, for example, you'll find an area early

782
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:03.400
<v Speaker 1>on where this entire town is like frozen over an ice,

783
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:04.559
<v Speaker 1>and if you try and go in there, you'll like

784
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>die from the cold. So you can one of the

785
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:10.599
<v Speaker 1>things you can do is you can increase your you

786
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:12.480
<v Speaker 1>can take your armor set and you can increase it

787
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>so that you'll give have more like ice resistance or something.

788
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:20.079
<v Speaker 1>So I like that. It like isn't just like throwing

789
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 1>like endless amounts of armor and weapons. It does feel

790
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:25.760
<v Speaker 1>like you pick up one thing and you kind of

791
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>can like craft it and tweak it and like over

792
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.039
<v Speaker 1>time to like be what you want. What I don't

793
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.119
<v Speaker 1>like is that the amount of materials you can hold

794
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 1>are limited, and very quickly you will fill up your

795
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.159
<v Speaker 1>inventory and then you just can't pick up anything more.

796
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:46.039
<v Speaker 1>And so I constantly feel like I either like have

797
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.679
<v Speaker 1>to drop something so that I can pick up new stuff,

798
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.079
<v Speaker 1>or I have to go back and too like dump

799
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>it in my chest and then go back out into

800
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.239
<v Speaker 1>the world. And so for me, it really like halts

801
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:57.760
<v Speaker 1>the flow of the game where I'm like, I just

802
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.840
<v Speaker 1>want to keep running around and exploring, but I know

803
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm supposed to be picking up these crafting materials because

804
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:06.320
<v Speaker 1>they're going to increase my armor. But every like five minutes,

805
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.039
<v Speaker 1>my my like backpack fills up and then and then

806
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:14.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I did, oh, I got I got a

807
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.519
<v Speaker 1>couple more slots, and even then I like immediately filled

808
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:18.519
<v Speaker 1>it up, and I was like, uh, like, I just

809
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.320
<v Speaker 1>like I get that they maybe if they give you

810
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>like unlimited space, you would it would just like break

811
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:26.679
<v Speaker 1>the economy of that game where you just fill it up.

812
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:31.800
<v Speaker 1>But I don't like a game where it is constantly

813
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.719
<v Speaker 1>like roadblocking my ability to want to play the game.

814
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.119
<v Speaker 1>And like, I mean technically it's like, well you could

815
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.400
<v Speaker 1>just like not worry about it, where you could be

816
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 1>like more deliberate in what you pick up. But like

817
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:45.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, the games like encourages you to pick

818
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.679
<v Speaker 1>up these crafting materials and then also says like but

819
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.280
<v Speaker 1>then you're full and you have to leave, and so

820
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:51.159
<v Speaker 1>like I don't like games, I do that. I find

821
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.199
<v Speaker 1>it really frustrating. And and so I mean in that way,

822
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 1>is it just like an extraction game? I mean, well, no,

823
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't about games, but an extraction game, contraction.

824
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 3>Anything, No, I mean I played well no, No.

825
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.039
<v Speaker 1>An instruction game would be like, oh, you're going into

826
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>an area to get like a specific amount of loot

827
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:12.360
<v Speaker 1>and then leave.

828
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:14.760
<v Speaker 2>But this game is like asking you to go pick

829
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:16.960
<v Speaker 2>up stuff but then not have enough space to hold this.

830
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>It's more because it's just like crafting material kind of stuff.

831
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.079
<v Speaker 1>But it's just like I wish there were just more

832
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 1>crafting slots, got it that I could just hold What.

833
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Is the main motivation of this game anyways?

834
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.559
<v Speaker 1>Main motivation yeah, what are you doing? I mean, so

835
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.400
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to Oh god, the story I don't remember

836
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>that you're you're a band of weavers who are these

837
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.800
<v Speaker 1>like magic people who are ostracized by society because something happened,

838
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:50.360
<v Speaker 1>and you've entered this like realm where like there's like

839
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:52.599
<v Speaker 1>magic around it that like no one can enter because

840
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.199
<v Speaker 1>they'll die. And you've like managed to like enter this

841
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>space that's like been abandoned for like centuries or something

842
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 1>like that, and now you can, like you're like trying

843
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:05.159
<v Speaker 1>to like discover the lost secrets of this like ancient civilization.

844
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 1>So your goal is to just kind of like go

845
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:09.320
<v Speaker 1>through It's it. Like I said, it's fine. It's just

846
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>like it's not doing much for me.

847
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:11.960
<v Speaker 3>And and going.

848
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 2>From not liking it digging its systems, digging its systems

849
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:21.679
<v Speaker 2>and enjoying you know, like oh okay, Like once I

850
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of got used to the combat and and and like.

851
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like understood why it was floaty, because it's like, oh,

852
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>it's floaty because the way like all these weird systems

853
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:35.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of interact with each other, and it can feel

854
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.119
<v Speaker 1>it still doesn't feel like perfect, but I'm like I

855
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.239
<v Speaker 1>understand why it feels this way, And now that I'm

856
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:41.920
<v Speaker 1>like I can, I can appreciate what it's trying to do,

857
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:44.559
<v Speaker 1>and I can appreciate the systems and the mechanics, and

858
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I get fun out of that. But then I still

859
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.159
<v Speaker 1>am like, well, I still don't really care about the story,

860
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:54.119
<v Speaker 1>and I'm hitting the roadblock with the crafting stuff. So

861
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a weird recommendation where I think, would you recommend

862
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.719
<v Speaker 1>it to Jake? I would not recommend it to Jake, okay,

863
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:02.280
<v Speaker 1>and I wouldn't recommend it to you either. I think

864
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.760
<v Speaker 1>both of you would absolutely not, But you.

865
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Recommend it to Max. Seems like it might be a

866
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Max I.

867
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Am Actually I was kind of curious if if like

868
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Max would be able to because.

869
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:14.679
<v Speaker 3>Do the Max shit.

870
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for context, Max has like done all of our

871
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Breath of the Wild videos and twos of the Kingdom videos,

872
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and like knows how to manipulate those systems and break games,

873
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.679
<v Speaker 1>and I would like to see if Max could do

874
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>anything weird with it. I get the feeling it wouldn't

875
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:33.840
<v Speaker 1>be as crazy as what Breath of the Wild could

876
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.800
<v Speaker 1>make you do, but you could probably still do some interesting.

877
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.519
<v Speaker 2>I see Max breaks shit, So I think that would

878
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:40.960
<v Speaker 2>be up from Max in the back cool.

879
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:42.119
<v Speaker 3>And I think if you're.

880
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:46.199
<v Speaker 1>Somebody who likes sort of that you know, fantasy D

881
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.039
<v Speaker 1>and D kind of like I don't know, it's just like, hey,

882
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.159
<v Speaker 1>here's magic shit, and there's like interesting characters and but

883
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:54.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, like it's it's there's conflict, but it's not

884
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>too much conflict, Like I don't know, Like if you're

885
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.199
<v Speaker 1>into that kind of vibe, you'd probably like dig it,

886
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:04.199
<v Speaker 1>But for me, it's just like kids, it's okay, I

887
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.119
<v Speaker 1>don't know. But it's also like a small budget game

888
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.800
<v Speaker 1>from a new studio, and I obviously wish them the best.

889
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:12.679
<v Speaker 1>Like it's like I think it's like a cool it's

890
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:14.320
<v Speaker 1>like a cool first attempt at a game from like

891
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:16.960
<v Speaker 1>a new studio, but it just like has things about

892
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.840
<v Speaker 1>it that are not quite for me. So I don't

893
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>think I'm gonna play much more of it. Unfortunately, I

894
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 1>don't really feel super compelled. But I have heard other

895
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.599
<v Speaker 1>people really dig it and recommend it, So if it

896
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.400
<v Speaker 1>if that speaks to you, if the things that like

897
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I said it all sound like your jam, like you'd

898
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:35.039
<v Speaker 1>probably like it.

899
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.320
<v Speaker 2>If there was if there was a dead body, and

900
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:42.039
<v Speaker 2>if there was a mystery, you know, maybe I would

901
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.039
<v Speaker 2>be maybe i'd be inclined, Yeah, like a thing that

902
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.199
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense, but it sounds like it makes sense.

903
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Right if there are like some boys in some goop.

904
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if there was some young.

905
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Men in green goop and an annoying man in a

906
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 2>mask who's always interrupting me, you'd be more into it.

907
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.280
<v Speaker 3>Then I would maybe consider it. Okay, But you can

908
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.800
<v Speaker 3>also freeze dragon wings and they I mean, that's cool,

909
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:03.360
<v Speaker 3>that's cool.

910
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.480
<v Speaker 2>But I want, you know, like I need that's you know,

911
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:08.199
<v Speaker 2>I need a mystery, not like a like literal in

912
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the literal sense. I doesn't need a question to be

913
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:14.679
<v Speaker 2>they won't want to explore, not just like, well, we're

914
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of magic people who exposed ourselves to the

915
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:23.719
<v Speaker 2>public and were being cast it out for some reason.

916
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:27.000
<v Speaker 2>They probably did something really fucked up, And if there

917
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.199
<v Speaker 2>was a review on the end that's like and they

918
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:33.079
<v Speaker 2>were cannibals or you know something, and that's why they

919
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:34.800
<v Speaker 2>got kicked out of town, then maybe I would actually,

920
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:35.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, be like.

921
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:43.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh wait.

922
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:46.239
<v Speaker 1>There anyway, Yeah, that's Arnal strands cool.

923
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:47.400
<v Speaker 3>Not a strand game.

924
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Not a strand game. Sorry, you'll have to. You'll have

925
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:51.880
<v Speaker 1>to keep looking for that. Is there any other game

926
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>that does actually count as a strand game?

927
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.679
<v Speaker 5>Was it? I feel like there was a game that

928
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:00.159
<v Speaker 5>came out a couple of years ago that was This

929
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.239
<v Speaker 5>is the closest thing to a strand game that we've

930
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:05.039
<v Speaker 5>had since Death Stranding, But I don't remember what it was,

931
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:08.599
<v Speaker 5>so that doesn't help anyone at all.

932
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:12.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad created a genre that only he fucking touched.

933
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:15.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't remember what it was.

934
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Did he even really create a genre?

935
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:18.039
<v Speaker 5>No?

936
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 4>He did not.

937
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean I like that game, and I like that.

938
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it's like a cool game, like the mechanics

939
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>of like it's like it is unique. I think is

940
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:28.519
<v Speaker 1>it a new genre?

941
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:29.119
<v Speaker 6>Also?

942
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Genres are kind of stupid anyway.

943
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.119
<v Speaker 5>But I think my thing is like the interactivity with

944
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:35.159
<v Speaker 5>other players and how it's used is cool.

945
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.440
<v Speaker 4>However, not to be that guy, but like.

946
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:42.679
<v Speaker 5>Art Souls and demon that way, and I know it

947
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.199
<v Speaker 5>was like much like flatter than that, where it's like

948
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:48.119
<v Speaker 5>here's a note, here's a summ in like asynchronous support

949
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:49.639
<v Speaker 5>other players or mess up other people.

950
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.199
<v Speaker 1>But also you can you can join clans and like

951
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:56.239
<v Speaker 1>have people summon you. So I would argue, like the

952
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Frum software games are absolutely strand games by like the

953
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:03.760
<v Speaker 1>definition of like you know, connecting people both through like

954
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:08.000
<v Speaker 1>messages and like direct input.

955
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 5>Miyazaki did it first. Yeah, I mean that's how I feel.

956
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:15.880
<v Speaker 5>I'm excited for Desk Training too, though, and I like

957
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:17.760
<v Speaker 5>death Straining one. It took me a while to really

958
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:19.159
<v Speaker 5>get on board for desk.

959
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Training because it's the strand game. How do we get

960
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:22.000
<v Speaker 3>you did?

961
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 5>And this is your fight nocause you're right, we can stop.

962
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:28.880
<v Speaker 5>I'll take it all back. Wait, did you see I

963
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.480
<v Speaker 5>think it was that story that came out that GMA

964
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:33.559
<v Speaker 5>was like, I don't know if I can make another game.

965
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:34.519
<v Speaker 4>I'm tired of crunching.

966
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, then don't don't crunch I mean, well, I don't

967
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:38.280
<v Speaker 3>make games. What do I know?

968
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:40.719
<v Speaker 2>It's your own studio, but stop fucking having people take

969
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:42.559
<v Speaker 2>pictures of you sitting with like a bucket over your

970
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:43.519
<v Speaker 2>head and being like Kojima.

971
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:44.039
<v Speaker 3>Today.

972
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.039
<v Speaker 5>I was gonna say, maybe maybe this would be the

973
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.239
<v Speaker 5>last Kajima game, but then I remembered he's already announced

974
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.639
<v Speaker 5>like four other projects, so I think there'll be similar.

975
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:51.000
<v Speaker 3>I think that's just.

976
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:53.039
<v Speaker 4>A brand.

977
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 1>I think he'll be one of those. I don't know.

978
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I see he's going to retire in the comeback like

979
00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Daniel day Lewis where he's like I'm done.

980
00:45:58.719 --> 00:45:59.719
<v Speaker 3>It's like, no, just kidding.

981
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think he can't not make stuff well.

982
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he has to tell you that he made.

983
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.280
<v Speaker 2>He's like I created life.

984
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know. I I think he'd be content.

985
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:14.480
<v Speaker 5>The stuff he makes is just photos of him with celebrities,

986
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:15.440
<v Speaker 5>to be honest.

987
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and him just looking at a croissant. Maybe not,

988
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:21.320
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah.

989
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:26.320
<v Speaker 5>You know Kojima today, did you know Meddle your solid

990
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.639
<v Speaker 5>to predicted memes.

991
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Because they used the word memes. Yeah, that was already

992
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:35.880
<v Speaker 2>a pre existing word.

993
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.039
<v Speaker 5>I feel like that's the thing I saw a lot.

994
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:42.840
<v Speaker 5>I'm just saying because he says memes in it, and

995
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:43.239
<v Speaker 5>you're like.

996
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:48.599
<v Speaker 3>You know what I gotta say about No, I'm going

997
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 3>to move on. Uh No, I was.

998
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 1>I was.

999
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Talking about Eternal Strands and looking at that game and

1000
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:04.119
<v Speaker 2>sort of this sort of blanket sort of identity that

1001
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:07.159
<v Speaker 2>games have adapted over the last ten years, where it's

1002
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.320
<v Speaker 2>just like the most inoffensive thing to look at, and

1003
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.000
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like an epidemic of games I just

1004
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:16.880
<v Speaker 2>look inoffensive. And I think Dragon Age, the most recent

1005
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:18.760
<v Speaker 2>dragon Age game, is one of those examples of just

1006
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 2>a game that's just.

1007
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, that's maybe it looks like the best possible graphics. Yeah,

1008
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like we poured a lot of money into making

1009
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:26.840
<v Speaker 1>sure all these characters.

1010
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:30.199
<v Speaker 2>And not too And I had this feeling when I

1011
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.960
<v Speaker 2>regretfully watched the Game Awards, the last game of Awards.

1012
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.519
<v Speaker 2>I had this feeling when I was watching just a

1013
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.119
<v Speaker 2>game reveal after game reveal after game reveal, and the

1014
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.199
<v Speaker 2>one thing that stood out to me is there was

1015
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:42.280
<v Speaker 2>only two settings for the fucking eight hundred games we saw.

1016
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.519
<v Speaker 2>It was either science fiction or fantasy. Sure, and that

1017
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 2>was it. That was it, even split fiction, that game

1018
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that does look cool literally science fiction, literally science fiction.

1019
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:57.760
<v Speaker 2>And it was like it was like that to me

1020
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.639
<v Speaker 2>was emblematic of what the issue about to talk about,

1021
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.920
<v Speaker 2>which is I am so And I actually kind of

1022
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 2>learnt this last week when I was talking about like

1023
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.199
<v Speaker 2>the death of the Spectacle and like with Doom, I

1024
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:11.559
<v Speaker 2>am so. It's weird to say how fucking bored I

1025
00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 2>am of looking at a fantasy fucking setting and a

1026
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.760
<v Speaker 2>science fiction setting. And that's ironic because the entire point

1027
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:21.559
<v Speaker 2>of what games are is escapism from reality. But it's

1028
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.679
<v Speaker 2>been so fucking overdone to the point where like it

1029
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.599
<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem remotely special to me anymore. And it bums

1030
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 2>me out because I look at a game the control

1031
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:32.639
<v Speaker 2>strands that mechanically and systems sounds interesting, but I just

1032
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.239
<v Speaker 2>see it. I'm like, I have seen this before because

1033
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>to the degree where I almost wish it's weird to

1034
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.440
<v Speaker 2>think how hard it is to find games like good budgeted,

1035
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:44.599
<v Speaker 2>high budget games that take place in our reality.

1036
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:45.559
<v Speaker 3>It's fucking weird.

1037
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean I agree definitely, Like yeah, like

1038
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.199
<v Speaker 1>we don't have games that like are modern unless they're

1039
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:54.599
<v Speaker 1>like military games, Like that's kind of it.

1040
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, yeah, that's the exception.

1041
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 1>But with the fan to see stuff, it's interesting because

1042
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.599
<v Speaker 1>I also think, like it's not just it's fantasy, it's

1043
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.760
<v Speaker 1>they're picking the most generic boiler plate and it's like sure,

1044
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.880
<v Speaker 1>like we don't have elves, we have walrisk guy, but

1045
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:17.320
<v Speaker 1>like it's still like at its core, you know, hold,

1046
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.199
<v Speaker 1>there's there's a wall guy and.

1047
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:25.480
<v Speaker 4>Is he cool?

1048
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 1>No, he's kind of MOPy. He's he's like a scaredy cat.

1049
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:29.280
<v Speaker 1>He's like a big but.

1050
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.800
<v Speaker 3>He's like I've never seen that archetype. He's just like

1051
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:34.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know about these guys.

1052
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:38.400
<v Speaker 1>And you're like, fuck up, whatever does he have a lisp?

1053
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:39.239
<v Speaker 4>No?

1054
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well you know, because its teeth whatever, now he

1055
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.280
<v Speaker 2>maybe you should okay.

1056
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:46.639
<v Speaker 1>But but like you could, you can also have a

1057
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:50.280
<v Speaker 1>fantasy setting that's like interesting.

1058
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:52.199
<v Speaker 3>Announce that there aren't good ones.

1059
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:53.119
<v Speaker 4>It's just weird.

1060
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.199
<v Speaker 2>It's just weird to see just like game after game

1061
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:57.000
<v Speaker 2>after game, and then one way or another, it just

1062
00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:59.519
<v Speaker 2>like starts to bleed in and even and I feel

1063
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.039
<v Speaker 2>the same way with like, you know, soul genre too,

1064
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:03.960
<v Speaker 2>where it's like it just all kind of works, just

1065
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.280
<v Speaker 2>like fuck, you could tell where a fucking Soul's game.

1066
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you look like fantasy.

1067
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:13.159
<v Speaker 1>But it's like how many games are there with Person

1068
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.079
<v Speaker 1>with Samurai Sword coming out?

1069
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Too many?

1070
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Like like, oh, it's Person with Sword and then we

1071
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:22.440
<v Speaker 2>have Person with Sword and yeah, I mean we did

1072
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.400
<v Speaker 2>have an era of just like you know, I mean

1073
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:25.880
<v Speaker 2>we still have it, but like the era of just

1074
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>a guy with guns.

1075
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1076
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:29.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1077
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:33.440
<v Speaker 5>I love science fiction fantasy, like I really enjoy that.

1078
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 5>But for me, it's always been like what's the take

1079
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.639
<v Speaker 5>on it, though, and like if if there's not, if

1080
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:42.360
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't do something interesting both visually and thematically and

1081
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.679
<v Speaker 5>story wise or set up wise, I guess mystery, you know,

1082
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.760
<v Speaker 5>like just not really that interested.

1083
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:49.800
<v Speaker 4>I I when I same thing.

1084
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:51.639
<v Speaker 5>I saw Internal Eternal Strands and I was like, oh,

1085
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:53.360
<v Speaker 5>it's cool, Mike Laidlaw is doing this. But this looks

1086
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:58.039
<v Speaker 5>like every other mobile fantasy game I've seen before, and

1087
00:50:58.079 --> 00:50:58.519
<v Speaker 5>it'd be fair.

1088
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.519
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's always been a problem, not video games,

1089
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:03.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just in like media in general. I feel like

1090
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 1>to your point, though, it's like that is like the

1091
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.239
<v Speaker 1>current like hot thing in games. So like because before

1092
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:13.280
<v Speaker 1>it was like military shooters were hot things. Everything looked

1093
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.159
<v Speaker 1>like pouring brown, you know, like we're gonna look like

1094
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Gears of War, We're gonna look like Call of Duty.

1095
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.440
<v Speaker 1>And now it's like everything's gonna look like a from

1096
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.719
<v Speaker 1>software game. Everything is gonna look like I I will say,

1097
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:28.599
<v Speaker 1>I think current fantasy. I prefer it looks at least

1098
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:34.039
<v Speaker 1>nicer than the like Wow, League of Legends era. I

1099
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:34.760
<v Speaker 1>hate that part.

1100
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:35.719
<v Speaker 4>I like it.

1101
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:38.639
<v Speaker 3>I liked it at the time when it existed, but

1102
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:39.400
<v Speaker 3>that art style.

1103
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>But but that's the thing that's been.

1104
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.400
<v Speaker 1>For me, Like all those like mobile games like that

1105
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.719
<v Speaker 1>were just like everything that's the legend. Yes, the Blizzard, Yes,

1106
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>it was like, oh I'm so sick of the way

1107
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:52.800
<v Speaker 1>all this ship looks.

1108
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:53.840
<v Speaker 3>But not to bring it back.

1109
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.519
<v Speaker 2>But I will actually defend that Dust Training is one

1110
00:51:56.559 --> 00:52:00.039
<v Speaker 2>of those games that like look different that had it.

1111
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.679
<v Speaker 2>It's a very distinct visual idea. I agree and like,

1112
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:06.760
<v Speaker 2>and it felt tangible and real. Yes, so dest Randing

1113
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.079
<v Speaker 2>does I would. I mean, you know we've talked a

1114
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:12.840
<v Speaker 2>lot about like Remedies games. Well that's a game that

1115
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.400
<v Speaker 2>takes place in a world of reality but then also able.

1116
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.480
<v Speaker 1>To I've been rely playing because I've never finished it.

1117
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Disco Elysium that game that's finished that you know, I

1118
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:26.280
<v Speaker 2>know I've never finished. I know, I know.

1119
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:28.679
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well I'm really exciting when I get there.

1120
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Well we'll i'll report. But like that's the setting where

1121
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:35.920
<v Speaker 1>they are, I mean the art, but also just the

1122
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 1>world building and just like you're living in this like

1123
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:44.719
<v Speaker 1>place that is just like destroyed and a piece. Also

1124
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.840
<v Speaker 1>like there's so much like culture and history and like

1125
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:51.039
<v Speaker 1>I remember, I think there's there's like this old man,

1126
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.760
<v Speaker 1>the two old men who are like playing game shot

1127
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>but did you did you do that?

1128
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Yep, just throw it into the Yeah, oh my god, incredible.

1129
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:08.039
<v Speaker 2>But then like the guy and like the the aren't

1130
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:11.840
<v Speaker 2>he's like in the old like military you know, outfit,

1131
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.119
<v Speaker 2>and he's just rambling about you know, like the war

1132
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:18.719
<v Speaker 2>and and and it was like fascinating because they're just

1133
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:22.400
<v Speaker 2>adding all this like context and and and world building

1134
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.119
<v Speaker 2>in a way that like one doesn't feel like you're

1135
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 2>just expositioning at me necessarily because it's like I'm listening

1136
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:29.719
<v Speaker 2>to this old man like ramble in a way that

1137
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:32.800
<v Speaker 2>like it's like, Yep, this is absolutely what would happen

1138
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:35.639
<v Speaker 2>if I interacted with this man in real life. But

1139
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.920
<v Speaker 2>also I'm like learning all these interesting things about like

1140
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:43.719
<v Speaker 2>the the like multiple revolutions.

1141
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:45.559
<v Speaker 1>That this city has had, and the and it's it's

1142
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:49.599
<v Speaker 1>contact with other nearby neighboring places and and like just

1143
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:53.920
<v Speaker 1>and we're about one of the best. You're like so good.

1144
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:55.719
<v Speaker 2>We're about to see like ten fucking games that look

1145
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:57.519
<v Speaker 2>like de say Ewezium since everyone left that.

1146
00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Studio and is not making their own spiritual successor.

1147
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:02.599
<v Speaker 1>Least, and I think we'll have the same issue where

1148
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:05.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like will any of them like understand or will

1149
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:10.159
<v Speaker 1>they just replicate it? And you're like like, eh, you're not.

1150
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:12.079
<v Speaker 4>You got the sauce.

1151
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:16.519
<v Speaker 2>So when those games exist, you just gotta But yeah,

1152
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:17.400
<v Speaker 2>that's just my little rant.

1153
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:20.719
<v Speaker 3>It's just something on it. And I realized I feel

1154
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:21.000
<v Speaker 3>the same.

1155
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:23.480
<v Speaker 5>I mean, like, yeah, watching the Game Awards, watching a

1156
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.039
<v Speaker 5>lot of this stuff, it's like, okay, cool, Like I

1157
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:29.039
<v Speaker 5>feel like I've seen this before. But yeah, I mean,

1158
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:30.960
<v Speaker 5>like I said, for me, it's like like I think,

1159
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:34.119
<v Speaker 5>like I feel like sometimes they don't even.

1160
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:34.480
<v Speaker 4>Try that hard.

1161
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:39.079
<v Speaker 5>Like that sounds bad, but like I think of Cyberpunk

1162
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:42.280
<v Speaker 5>twenty seventy seven, which was very successful, and like that

1163
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:47.039
<v Speaker 5>was like there weren't really any cyberpunk games in video games, yeah,

1164
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.559
<v Speaker 5>and it was incredibly successful. It felt fresh stylistically in

1165
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.599
<v Speaker 5>a way that we hadn't seen, and it was like at.

1166
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Least in video games. In video I just like if

1167
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:58.079
<v Speaker 2>you're read to William gibbson novel, you do realize.

1168
00:54:57.880 --> 00:54:59.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

1169
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm saying in video game specifically, Like that's what I'm

1170
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:03.639
<v Speaker 5>trying to say is like sometimes you don't have to

1171
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:06.559
<v Speaker 5>look very far to find inspiration that hasn't been done

1172
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:08.519
<v Speaker 5>in video games that could make for an interesting setting,

1173
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 5>and a lot of times it's just like, you know,

1174
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:12.880
<v Speaker 5>we've got the dwarves and the dragons and like formula,

1175
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:13.800
<v Speaker 5>let's make it look.

1176
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Like blizards will be very colorful and a little bit cartoony.

1177
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:17.800
<v Speaker 2>People will confuse it on the mobile story, they'll buy

1178
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:19.360
<v Speaker 2>the wrong game, or like, if we make.

1179
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:20.920
<v Speaker 4>It simple, everyone will be able to play.

1180
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.599
<v Speaker 1>It's like I was talking about this with Michael Hyam

1181
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:27.039
<v Speaker 1>the other day, where Michael Hyam has been talking about

1182
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:30.960
<v Speaker 1>he's been reading more like books and watching shows specifically

1183
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:36.079
<v Speaker 1>because he's like, you know, so like consuming games and

1184
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:37.920
<v Speaker 1>then realizing like I kind of want to go back

1185
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.880
<v Speaker 1>to the source of like what the song games were

1186
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.079
<v Speaker 1>actually inspired by.

1187
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you realize how much, Yeah, so how like little

1188
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:48.280
<v Speaker 2>actual things are right.

1189
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.280
<v Speaker 3>Genuinely original coming out of games. It's kind of.

1190
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Sucks, sure, but but but even yeah, And I think

1191
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the part of the issue is like games copying other

1192
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.480
<v Speaker 1>games as opposed to like searching for source of material elsewhere.

1193
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:04.159
<v Speaker 1>It's like you kind of just like you look at

1194
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:06.159
<v Speaker 1>what the other competition to do, and it's kind.

1195
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Of like I think that, Yeah, I think it's also

1196
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.519
<v Speaker 2>a byproduct of games not usually being a singular vision.

1197
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Like I think that's when you get books and movies

1198
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:14.760
<v Speaker 2>and scripts that come from a single mind and a

1199
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:16.360
<v Speaker 2>single vision, and then everything supports that.

1200
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm not saying that's not the case in games,

1201
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:18.679
<v Speaker 3>it's just.

1202
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:19.320
<v Speaker 4>Much harder to do.

1203
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:21.440
<v Speaker 3>It just doesn't feel like that's the case, is all.

1204
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean with like big studios and like it's

1205
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:27.760
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, you have budgets and you have shareholders and.

1206
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:28.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean douche bags, you know.

1207
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, like I think the examples we should, right, Like Kajima,

1208
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:33.559
<v Speaker 1>it's like stay a little but that guy, that dude

1209
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.719
<v Speaker 1>is like he's going to have a vision. He's going

1210
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:37.559
<v Speaker 1>to make that happen.

1211
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:37.960
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1212
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:40.199
<v Speaker 1>It's not just him, but like he's definitely like the

1213
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:41.400
<v Speaker 1>driving force behind it.

1214
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:43.480
<v Speaker 3>I think Phantasmic Goria is one of the fucking dust

1215
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:43.960
<v Speaker 3>games ever.

1216
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Made, right you know, And like because say Remedy is

1217
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:49.599
<v Speaker 1>a similar way, right you know again, like Sam Blake

1218
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:53.519
<v Speaker 1>definitely creative director puts his stank on it. Tim Schaeffer,

1219
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that's like that's where you find kind of

1220
00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:01.159
<v Speaker 1>the more interesting, Like I you know, I think I

1221
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.000
<v Speaker 1>just I find myself gravitating more to games like that,

1222
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.719
<v Speaker 1>and I'm less interested in games that are just like

1223
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.519
<v Speaker 1>It's why I don't care about like Marvel Rivals, because

1224
00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I look at it and I go, that is a

1225
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:13.480
<v Speaker 1>well made.

1226
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:17.840
<v Speaker 5>That's like everyone's trying to get friends trying to play,

1227
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:19.440
<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, nope, it's not somebody you.

1228
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Know, it's a well made game. And maybe if I

1229
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:24.679
<v Speaker 1>was just interested in playing with friends and I think

1230
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:26.920
<v Speaker 1>a fun time, like, maybe i'd play it. And and

1231
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:29.599
<v Speaker 1>and this is not to like poo poo. Anyone who

1232
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:31.880
<v Speaker 1>like likes that game like it. Again, it looks like

1233
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:33.639
<v Speaker 1>a well made game, and I get why people play it.

1234
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.760
<v Speaker 1>For me, it's like, I don't know, like it's yeah,

1235
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:41.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like a well made Overwatch clone with Marvel. It

1236
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:45.880
<v Speaker 1>has nothing that speaks to me on like any level

1237
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:49.880
<v Speaker 1>that I'm just interested in doing, so I don't know.

1238
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:53.519
<v Speaker 1>It's weird. Yeah, But then I open up my phone

1239
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:58.159
<v Speaker 1>every day and I crack open my card packs. I

1240
00:57:58.239 --> 00:57:58.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know why.

1241
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why I keep going on a schedules.

1242
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:06.000
<v Speaker 1>You crack card packs, cracking, cracking packs, Pokemon trading card game, O,

1243
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the little you like.

1244
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:10.559
<v Speaker 3>Do Jean Luke and I are cracks.

1245
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Have you never heard that term cracking packs?

1246
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:16.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm a no, who do you think I am?

1247
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:19.719
<v Speaker 5>You're gonna put together a little Excel spreadsheet where you

1248
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:20.800
<v Speaker 5>can figure out all of our trades?

1249
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.639
<v Speaker 2>Is that true? We are because they opened up trading

1250
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Max back there? Are you doing this good?

1251
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:30.480
<v Speaker 5>Well, he's played thousands of hours of gensins, so you

1252
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:32.000
<v Speaker 5>know you can't really talk.

1253
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Climbing climbing, Lisa. Everyone's got their one climbing Lisa.

1254
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:36.679
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of.

1255
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I uninstalled Destiny, I think I'm like finally done. And

1256
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:46.039
<v Speaker 1>and the day I uninstalled it was the day they

1257
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:48.480
<v Speaker 1>did like the big new like update.

1258
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Was it intentional that you did it?

1259
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Well?

1260
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:54.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean like with the update, No, I just happen

1261
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:56.159
<v Speaker 1>to time it with that, which is funny enough because

1262
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:58.000
<v Speaker 1>like I forgot the update was even first second?

1263
00:58:58.039 --> 00:58:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Did you think about reinstalling it to do it?

1264
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:00.719
<v Speaker 1>No?

1265
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:04.360
<v Speaker 2>No, No, So what it was is like I forgot earlier

1266
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.920
<v Speaker 2>that day, I like saw the update happen, and I said,

1267
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:09.360
<v Speaker 2>oh right, I forgot that was the thing.

1268
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:10.880
<v Speaker 1>And I was like I was excited for that. Do

1269
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I care? And I'm like, no, I don't care. I

1270
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:16.400
<v Speaker 1>even like looked up because I was like, I didn't

1271
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:18.800
<v Speaker 1>play the last one. Did people did people like that

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00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:21.760
<v Speaker 1>last update? I looked it up and everyone's like it

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00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:24.960
<v Speaker 1>was pretty mad. The story was bad. They seem to

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00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.280
<v Speaker 1>be kind of like on the decline. And I was like, okay,

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00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't miss anything. And then and then I was

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00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:33.440
<v Speaker 1>like all right, whatever. And then the reason I installed

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00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:35.679
<v Speaker 1>is because like I went to my computer to installed

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00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:37.199
<v Speaker 1>a different game, and it was like, hey, you need

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00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:38.599
<v Speaker 1>to fill up some space, and I was like, what's

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00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:40.800
<v Speaker 1>taking up a bunch of space? Destiny's taken up one

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00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:44.159
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty plus gigs on my computer, and I said.

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<v Speaker 3>So long.

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00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:47.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I'm gonna turn this on anymore.

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00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:51.840
<v Speaker 2>So I uninstalled it. I think that is it for me. Wow,

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00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm over it. That's okay, No, it is okay.

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00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:57.000
<v Speaker 2>And I actually feel I fill that Pia set with me,

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00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:00.679
<v Speaker 2>especially because the last thing I played with it was

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01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:05.760
<v Speaker 2>a really good expansion that like concluded a storyline, so

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01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:08.440
<v Speaker 2>like to me, it's like that's it, Yes, that's where

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01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:08.960
<v Speaker 2>it stopped.

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01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:12.199
<v Speaker 1>It's fine. I don't need to play anymore. I feel

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01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:12.760
<v Speaker 1>good about it.

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01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:13.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you should.

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01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and It's interesting because I've had people when I

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01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:19.840
<v Speaker 1>say that, people have said to me like, oh, what's

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01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.119
<v Speaker 1>the next thing that's gonna like replace that.

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01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:24.039
<v Speaker 4>Heroin?

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01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:28.639
<v Speaker 1>And it was like, I don't have Like I don't,

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01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm not I don't cracking packs cracking,

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01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:33.519
<v Speaker 1>that's what it is. But I don't need that. I

1301
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.239
<v Speaker 1>don't need like a like a I'm like, well no, no,

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01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:39.599
<v Speaker 1>like Destiny was that game. I don't need a replacement

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01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:43.519
<v Speaker 1>for it. I want something different. So like that's why

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01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:45.639
<v Speaker 1>when everyone's like, oh, this game, it's like Destiny, if

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01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Dusty's going down, he'll play this instead, I'm like, I

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01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:50.079
<v Speaker 1>don't care. It's like, I don't.

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01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:52.119
<v Speaker 3>What are people suggesting the play instead?

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01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Well?

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01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.239
<v Speaker 4>Are you playing Path of Eggs?

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01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:56.760
<v Speaker 1>But that's like a different game.

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01:00:56.920 --> 01:00:59.599
<v Speaker 5>Okay, but that's that's not like I don't know, Oh

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01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.599
<v Speaker 5>it is enough about it is not like a seasonal

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01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:05.159
<v Speaker 5>sort of situation, not yet, or it is.

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01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:07.679
<v Speaker 1>And I'm I think that game will be like forever

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01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.679
<v Speaker 1>Live Service game like the first one was. But I

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01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:13.320
<v Speaker 1>guarantee you I'm going to play that game. I'm going

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01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:15.360
<v Speaker 1>to like beat the campaign and then I'm gonna put

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01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:18.280
<v Speaker 1>it down because that's all I care about. I will

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01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I the second it asks me like and now grind forever.

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01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.559
<v Speaker 1>I go, no, I'm done. Like I get to the story,

1321
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.559
<v Speaker 1>I finish it. I say, wow, look at how cool

1322
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:30.760
<v Speaker 1>my character is. We had a fun time done so long.

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01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:33.159
<v Speaker 1>So I did. With Diablo, I actually didn't even finish it.

1324
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:35.079
<v Speaker 1>I just like played enough and was like, I'm good

1325
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:37.119
<v Speaker 1>like that. That's okay with that fish.

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01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:38.679
<v Speaker 3>You got to finish it.

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01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:44.000
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, but as far as Diabolo or

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01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Destiny replacements, I don't know. There's that game First Descendant,

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01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:50.400
<v Speaker 1>people recommending and I was like, that looks like I

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01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.679
<v Speaker 1>thought it looked bad, and people it's great.

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01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Is that game still it's still kicking.

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01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:57.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it's still kicking, but apparently it's not very good.

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01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Like what good it was? The people who like you

1334
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:01.599
<v Speaker 1>don't even like it's.

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01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Kind of falling off that fucking.

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01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:06.039
<v Speaker 1>But I I don't know. My point is, I don't

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01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.199
<v Speaker 1>even think there is anything that like would reasonably scratch

1338
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:09.840
<v Speaker 1>a Destiny.

1339
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:11.239
<v Speaker 3>But what was that? What was that one with the

1340
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:13.119
<v Speaker 3>gear Gears of War controls?

1341
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:18.000
<v Speaker 5>Oh can fly Outrider?

1342
01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:18.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that game was weird because actually from when I

1344
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:23.360
<v Speaker 2>played that game was not bad.

1345
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.000
<v Speaker 1>No, I actually liked that game. I never finished it.

1346
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:30.199
<v Speaker 3>Writing was fucking absolutely it.

1347
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Was, and that's kind of why I love it.

1348
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Was definitely like dude bro like, like it was so

1349
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.440
<v Speaker 2>abrasively that that I was like, I'm god, like, this

1350
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:40.559
<v Speaker 2>is stupid, but I kind of love it.

1351
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.119
<v Speaker 1>But that game is also weird because it was a

1352
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:46.400
<v Speaker 1>like build as a live service game, but for the

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01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.920
<v Speaker 1>most part it just had like a single player campaign

1354
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:51.079
<v Speaker 1>and then beat and then it had like there are

1355
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:55.719
<v Speaker 1>some activities, even grind forever, and it's like, no, I'm good.

1356
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Fire up Division two, taking them back to New York.

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01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:03.639
<v Speaker 1>That's another one. Beat the campaign, and then it was like,

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01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:05.320
<v Speaker 1>all right, you want to go grind these things around?

1359
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.480
<v Speaker 1>I said, no, like that's my thing.

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01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Most of the time.

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01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I just finished. I just finished the story mode and

1362
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:13.360
<v Speaker 1>then and then I stop, and I feel satisfied.

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01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:15.679
<v Speaker 2>My favorite version of that sort of thing. Because I

1364
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:17.760
<v Speaker 2>don't play life service games or anything like that.

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01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Are I'm going to bring up Resident Evil because I

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01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:26.199
<v Speaker 3>love Resident Evil, but like the mercenary modes are great,

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01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:29.960
<v Speaker 3>but specifically Resident Evil.

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01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:34.280
<v Speaker 5>Fuck you know that one like one, two, three or four,

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01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:38.039
<v Speaker 5>well six you you I do love six.

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01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:39.159
<v Speaker 1>Verse six No.

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01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:41.679
<v Speaker 2>No, it's like the mode, the never ending mode or

1372
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:49.079
<v Speaker 2>feels never ending in Revelations Toss to Mercenaries.

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01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:51.480
<v Speaker 3>Did play some of this, and it's and I put.

1374
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:54.519
<v Speaker 2>In a disgusting amount of time in it because it

1375
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:58.920
<v Speaker 2>gets cartoonishly stupid where it's like it's Mercenaries mode where

1376
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:00.360
<v Speaker 2>you just have to kills many things as possible.

1377
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:02.679
<v Speaker 3>But the more you play it, the more.

1378
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Like you get big mond, like the zombies get bigger

1379
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:07.719
<v Speaker 2>and the monsters get bigger, and they have like weird moment,

1380
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:09.880
<v Speaker 2>they have weird weaknesses that you then have to unlock

1381
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:12.119
<v Speaker 2>and like you have to there's like an endless amount

1382
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:13.559
<v Speaker 2>of guns you can get that you can spice up

1383
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:15.119
<v Speaker 2>a certain way and level up your characters, and like

1384
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:17.440
<v Speaker 2>it was actually really fun, like the last level you're

1385
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:19.920
<v Speaker 2>fighting Kaiju sized zombies.

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01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:22.400
<v Speaker 3>I think I did play. Yeah, it's great. It's great.

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01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:24.599
<v Speaker 1>What I love about games like that, or like U

1388
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Left for Dead, it's the same thing where it's like

1389
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:32.000
<v Speaker 1>those to me, those games are so infinitely replayable, not

1390
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:35.920
<v Speaker 1>because they were like constantly updating, like you know, live

1391
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:38.920
<v Speaker 1>service updates, it's just because like it's just really fun

1392
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:42.119
<v Speaker 1>to play it over and over, like and you just

1393
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:44.679
<v Speaker 1>do it because you want to, not because there's like

1394
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:49.440
<v Speaker 1>this like machine cranking a wheel that's like incentivizing you

1395
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:51.960
<v Speaker 1>to which you know, like that stuff can be fine,

1396
01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:55.880
<v Speaker 1>but I think like too often a game will like

1397
01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:58.480
<v Speaker 1>rely on that rely on the wheel.

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01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:02.360
<v Speaker 3>It's destroying the medium to.

1399
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:05.039
<v Speaker 1>To like prop up a gameplay that like if this

1400
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:07.880
<v Speaker 1>wheel wasn't here, this gameplay would not be interesting enough

1401
01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:10.320
<v Speaker 1>to actually want to keep playing, you know. Like that

1402
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:12.320
<v Speaker 1>was the one reason I did play Destiny was because

1403
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:14.480
<v Speaker 1>like kept playing is because I like really like the

1404
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:16.400
<v Speaker 1>way the guns fell and I was like, this is

1405
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:18.840
<v Speaker 1>like just fun to shoot things, and that has that

1406
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:21.079
<v Speaker 1>kept my attention or like other stuff like where they're

1407
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:22.280
<v Speaker 1>like already you want to try this game, I'm like,

1408
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:23.519
<v Speaker 1>I think this game feels fun.

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01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:26.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, I think that's the biggest reason why

1410
01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:28.039
<v Speaker 5>Destiny stuck around as long as it did. I mean,

1411
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:29.599
<v Speaker 5>I guess it's still going, but like I think it's

1412
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:32.920
<v Speaker 5>just that tactile feel of it good. Like that's why

1413
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:34.480
<v Speaker 5>I kept returning to it even though I didn't care

1414
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:36.199
<v Speaker 5>about my story or anything. Is because it's like, at

1415
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:38.199
<v Speaker 5>the end of the day, so many times it feels

1416
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:39.320
<v Speaker 5>good at least, like, I.

1417
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Mean, I understand what's going on.

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01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:41.519
<v Speaker 5>I might not have the right loot, I may not

1419
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:43.880
<v Speaker 5>have any of this, but like it's fun to shoot things.

1420
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.199
<v Speaker 5>Pop your super like going to third person.

1421
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:49.679
<v Speaker 2>I know, right, it's what you call it, pop in

1422
01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:52.679
<v Speaker 2>a super pop and a super Jesus, don't pop your

1423
01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:53.280
<v Speaker 2>superar me.

1424
01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:55.239
<v Speaker 4>Too late.

1425
01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:58.400
<v Speaker 3>I've been doing it this entire podcast. Did you in

1426
01:05:58.440 --> 01:05:59.159
<v Speaker 3>your hands sniff it?

1427
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:02.079
<v Speaker 5>Uh no, I'm not gonna sniff it. Come on, don't

1428
01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:05.079
<v Speaker 5>don't sniff your souper. Everyone knows that, but I feel

1429
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:06.840
<v Speaker 5>like so many developers kind of miss that and they're

1430
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:09.800
<v Speaker 5>just like, well, you know, I mean, like the gameplay

1431
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:11.840
<v Speaker 5>is fine, but then here's all these like things you

1432
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:14.679
<v Speaker 5>can grind and chase, and it's like, I don't want

1433
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:15.239
<v Speaker 5>to do that though.

1434
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1435
01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, that was our people over thirty ranting about video

1436
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:21.800
<v Speaker 1>games yelling at clouds.

1437
01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Where somebody's gonna yell or the medium is going to

1438
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:28.800
<v Speaker 2>disintegrate into fucking rowbox birthday parties or whatever the.

1439
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:30.679
<v Speaker 3>Fuck it is that those kids do these days.

1440
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:33.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, yes and no, I would agree, it's like

1441
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:36.920
<v Speaker 1>it it will, and it's worth yelling about that stuff,

1442
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:39.400
<v Speaker 1>but I always go to like I can just ignore

1443
01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:39.719
<v Speaker 1>that stuff.

1444
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.039
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, of course I hope.

1445
01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:43.039
<v Speaker 2>I have absolute hope that I mean, like I'm not

1446
01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:47.400
<v Speaker 2>pessimistic or like the medium will survive. And I think

1447
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:49.199
<v Speaker 2>it's just like where you and great things will happen

1448
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:49.840
<v Speaker 2>as inevitable.

1449
01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:51.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just where you will where you find that stuff.

1450
01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:56.280
<v Speaker 2>It's just difficult when it's all funneled together. That's where

1451
01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:57.880
<v Speaker 2>it gets sure.

1452
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, you know, it's it's yeah, it's like we don't

1453
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.000
<v Speaker 1>have I think we kind of do, but what you know,

1454
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:09.559
<v Speaker 1>it's like you can you have the blockbusters next to

1455
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:11.920
<v Speaker 1>like the indie darlings in video games in a way

1456
01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:14.400
<v Speaker 1>that like I think, like a movies kind of separate

1457
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:15.880
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more in this.

1458
01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Because the markets aren't the same.

1459
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the markets aren't the same, but video games

1460
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:20.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of all shove them in one thing a lot

1461
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:21.159
<v Speaker 2>of times.

1462
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:22.840
<v Speaker 1>And and yeah, that's kind of where it can be

1463
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:27.880
<v Speaker 1>weird and overwhelming, but oh it's cool. Just stay in

1464
01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.199
<v Speaker 1>your lane, play your player, hops.

1465
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:35.000
<v Speaker 5>My my hogs, Hogs and hogs and dogs and hope

1466
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:38.079
<v Speaker 5>is anyway that has been an episode of Game Spot

1467
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:38.480
<v Speaker 5>After Dark.

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01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Hope you guys had a good time listening to us

1469
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:42.679
<v Speaker 2>ramble about a many of things.

1470
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh, Kurt, thank you for being here as always.

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01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much.

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01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Jake, thank you as well.

1473
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:49.719
<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me.

1474
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, contractually obligated to be here. Yeah all right, everyone,

1475
01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:57.800
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for listening, and we'll see you

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01:07:57.880 --> 01:07:58.320
<v Speaker 1>next time.

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01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:00.440
<v Speaker 3>Be cool, A cool

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01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Bud, Budd,