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My 11 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:41.799 name is Jim Cummings and welcome to tuned In. 12 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:45.799 Welcome back, everybody to another episode of Tuned In with 13 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:48.520 Jim Cummings. I'm producer Chris, joined as always by the 14 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:51.079 legend himself, mister Jim Cummings. How are you doing today, sir? 15 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:55.439 Hello, Hello, very good. It's a beautiful day, wonderful day 16 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:56.280 in paradise here. 17 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:58.320 Absolutely, it's a hot day out today. 18 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:01.359 Today we have a very special for you, the very 19 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:02.719 talented Matt Lancer. 20 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:03.719 How are you doing today, sir? 21 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.439 Thank you, I'm I'm I'm well, I'm in Nashville, so 22 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:09.359 it's quite hot here too. Are you guys in l 23 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:14.040 a row? Oh yeah, yeah, ye humidity, so we might 24 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:14.560 have your beat. 25 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:21.439 That's true, that's true. But you're in Atlanta, right, Nashville, Nashville, Nashville, Nashville. 26 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:26.040 I'm a stone's throw from James Old Taylor. Oh yeah, 27 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:27.319 literally a stone's throw. 28 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:29.120 Wow, no, kid, it's funny. 29 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:29.920 It'd be a good throw. 30 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:35.000 Well yeah, yeah, good throw. Well tell him, get him 31 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:36.000 stoned and tell him that. 32 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:40.719 I said, yeah, can on the on the on the string. Yeah, 33 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:41.120 there you go. 34 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:43.239 They work. 35 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:44.319 Hey. 36 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:47.200 Yeah, great to have you here, man, that's that's a 37 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:50.799 it's a beautiful thing. My old Star Wars clone Wars buddy. 38 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.120 Thank you absolutely, thank you for having me. It's an 39 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:55.359 honor to an honor to be on the line with you. No, 40 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:56.840 you're you're a legend. 41 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:03.599 So in my own mind, that's right, everyone's mine. Well, 42 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:05.280 thanks for being here, and thank you for that. 43 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:06.280 Yeah. 44 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:08.759 We've been doing this for a while now. Lots of 45 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:11.319 folks out there. We come in, we have fun and 46 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.639 you know, nothing too, having nothing to I don't think 47 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:17.400 what what politics and religion, that's about the only thing 48 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:19.400 we we haven't solved. 49 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:23.479 And if you do, you know you need to go 50 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:24.639 to Yeah. 51 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:29.960 Yeah, it's good luck. Yeah, yes, indeed it's great to 52 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.800 have you man. Thank you. And you know, I was 53 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.840 doing I was doing some research on you, and I 54 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:40.080 realized that we were born not that far away from 55 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:42.960 each other. I mean I saw Northeastern Ohio and I said, 56 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:44.719 wait a minute, I'm from Northeastern Ohio. 57 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:48.039 You know, you know I had seen that before too, Jim. 58 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:50.800 I was. I had done the google on YouTube because 59 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.360 I'm like, I know, I've seen him in six million projects. 60 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:55.680 I want to feel somewhat knowledgeable. And I saw that 61 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:57.680 as well. You were born in Youngstown, is that right? 62 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:58.840 Yeah, I'm afraid so. 63 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:04.919 Yeah. So I was born in Maslin, Ohio. Which I 64 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:06.479 don't know how far that is, but it can't be 65 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:08.280 more than an hour an hour and a half. 66 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:13.719 Yeah it's not because it's in Ohio, right, Yeah, I understand. 67 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:15.280 They play a little football there. 68 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:19.960 They play some football, that's right. Yeah, that's like one 69 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.840 of my first memories, you know, living with Ohio. I 70 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:26.000 was there until I was eight years old, and you know, 71 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:30.159 the little kid NFL uniforms, like the little uniforms that 72 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:32.960 was my first you know, intro to football. I had 73 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:37.560 a Cleveland Brown's Bernie Cozar number nineteen. Wow, Bernie Cozar, 74 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:40.240 a little jersey and helmet, and you know, I've just 75 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:42.520 sort of been a Browns fan my whole life. I'm 76 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:44.400 a Falcons fan too, because I more or less grew 77 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:46.639 up in Atlanta after eight years old until I was 78 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:50.560 an adult. But there's something about the Browns and this 79 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:55.680 nostalgia of it. My wife is actually from Akron, oh 80 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.360 and my whole family, at least my mom's side, is 81 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:00.719 actually still in Ohio and we actually own a home 82 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:05.000 in the Canton area in Ohio. So unfortunately I am 83 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:09.120 a Browns fan. Uh well but close. You get a 84 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:10.960 choice with the Steelers though, too, right. 85 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.159 That's true. Yeah, well I was literally right between them, 86 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:17.519 so you know, whoever was had a more winning season, 87 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:19.079 that's who I went with them. 88 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:20.439 So you're a Steelers fan? 89 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:22.959 Yeah, yeah, I suppose so. 90 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:25.399 Yeah, I think the Browns had a couple of years 91 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:27.920 in the history of the Browns, you know, yeah, they 92 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:28.360 were good. 93 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.680 But definitely an Ohio State fan, how about that? So 94 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:33.120 we got to get that out. 95 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:37.000 So I'm not an Ohio State fan. Yeah, because I 96 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.879 went to Georgia and I moved there and then I 97 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:43.120 actually went to University of Georgia. So I'm a bulldog guy. 98 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:44.360 But my fans not bad. 99 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.439 Yeah, well that's not bad. Well you got it, not bad? Yeah, 100 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:52.759 good for you. Ye. Well, this is interesting because it's 101 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.439 a it's good to see you without a line of 102 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.199 people in front of you dying for your autograph. It's 103 00:04:58.279 --> 00:04:58.800 kind of cool. 104 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.399 Don't know about that, you know, but it's fun. We 105 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:06.439 go to these things and you know people now you know, Jim, 106 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:08.959 we've been doing the Clone Wars. We started in like 107 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.120 what two thousand and six, I think it came out, 108 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:13.879 you know, And so now you got all these people 109 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:17.879 that are mid twenties and young twenties, and they literally 110 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:22.800 grew up with the show. Yes, and this show is 111 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:25.519 a core part of their childhood and their memories. And 112 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.519 so that's a lot of the people that I'm getting 113 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:32.560 at my table. I'm sure you've got a whole lifetime 114 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:33.360 of characters. 115 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:38.319 But yeah, I've got too. Yeah, what I've got those 116 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:40.800 kids and their parents and the parents. 117 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:44.680 Good for you. But it's it's really cool. It's really 118 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:46.600 fun to have people come up and say you know, man, 119 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:48.920 this was my childhood and this show meant so much 120 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:52.879 and oftentimes I'm sure, as you know, it's more than 121 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.680 just I like the shows. Yeah, it means a lot 122 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:57.759 more to a lot of people in certain ways, and 123 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:03.120 numerous stories that more pertain to you know, heart and 124 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:06.399 life situations than just oh I like the show. Not 125 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:09.000 that we don't love that as well, but it's a 126 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:12.120 pretty cool and unique spot to be in. 127 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:12.639 Yeah. 128 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:14.480 I'm getting getting to kind of witness and hear these 129 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:15.240 people's stories. 130 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:18.000 Yeah, yeah, oh, I agree. I agree. It's it's nice 131 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:21.480 to know, and it's it's interesting over the years I've 132 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:28.000 noticed doing these conventions and conferences and everything that you know, 133 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.639 cartoon character, especially like with Winnie the Poo and everything, 134 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.720 He's helped people get through things, get through tough times, 135 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:37.000 get through you know, oh my gosh, you know, and 136 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:40.160 you hear stories about Grandma's funeral and you know, God 137 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:42.120 bless them, you know. And I said, well, thank you. 138 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.920 I'm very very grateful, and I never you know, I 139 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:48.279 don't take myself seriously. I'm sure you're the same, but 140 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:51.360 I take the work seriously because it means something to 141 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:53.199 other people, and. 142 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:55.240 I can't imagine, you know, the stories that I get 143 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:58.040 and I play, you know, in the Star Wars. It's 144 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:00.959 it's an action hero and fantasy. Sure, I can't imagine 145 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.720 the stories that you probably get with what you just 146 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:07.319 said Winnie the Pooh, because Winnie the Pooh, it's he's 147 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:11.120 such a kind of a soft, kind of nurturing, kind 148 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.319 of comfort food. Yeah, he's kind of like your your 149 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:16.519 pillow in your safe bed, you know what I mean. 150 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:19.279 So I can't imagine the stuff that you get. I mean, 151 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:21.759 I've got people coming to me saying I can't fall 152 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:24.720 asleep without Clone Wars, and I'm like, really, with all 153 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.879 the blasters and the King, that's what puts you to sleep. 154 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:32.680 But yeah, but I can imagine that was my bed blaster. 155 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:36.839 And Winnie the Pooh was our comfort. 156 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:41.160 Yes, that's what it was, that's for sure. Well yeah, 157 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:43.279 well it's always nice to know that Winnie the Pooh 158 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.399 comforts people, because then I build up my camera and 159 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.720 then it can go back to being a jerk. Yeah yeah, 160 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:50.800 and still break even. 161 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:52.879 Yeah, you can put in your nice guy bank and 162 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.959 then just go about your business until. 163 00:07:56.199 --> 00:08:01.279 Absolutely absolutely, but again, you hear good stuff. 164 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:02.079 Absolutely. 165 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:04.079 Like I said, it's good to see you without a 166 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:05.839 line of people between us. 167 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:07.959 Yeah. 168 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.279 And in fact, at the end, we'll have to you know, 169 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:13.519 we have to make an announcement of any place that 170 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:16.519 people can come and see you in the near future. 171 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:18.240 And we won't tell him now because we're gonna make 172 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:18.720 him late. 173 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:20.720 Wait. Yeah, okay, I have to think about it for 174 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:21.120 a minute. 175 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:22.680 Anyway, Yeah, there you go. 176 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.519 Were you a big Star Wars fan before you got 177 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:26.279 the role of Anakin? 178 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:33.480 Not really, No, I had seen Star Wars, sure, you know, 179 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:36.519 I think I think my first introduction to Star Wars 180 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:40.440 was because my parents weren't Star Wars people either. I 181 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:44.320 didn't really come from Star Wars family. So I really 182 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:46.960 think that my first Star Wars film that I saw 183 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:49.960 was maybe Attack of the Clones just in my basement 184 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:54.879 as a very young teenager. You know. Of course, I 185 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:57.960 knew Star Wars characters through pop culture. Everyone knows Darth 186 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.759 Vader and Luke Skywalker, but I didn't know the story. 187 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:04.759 I didn't really know how it how it all came together. 188 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:08.000 So no, And then once I booked the job, though, 189 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:11.480 you know that, I really dug into it and it 190 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.759 kind of became a Star Wars nerd and people know this, 191 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:17.519 but but my I had Star Wars kind of a 192 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.039 Star Wars themed wedding. My dog's name is Ahsoka. 193 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.240 Oh my god, dog that goes over well. 194 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.840 She's yeah, she's thirteen years old now and we named 195 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:28.279 her Soka thirteen years ago. 196 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:29.879 So, oh my gosh. 197 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:32.519 What what's a kind of Star Wars themed wedding. 198 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:36.399 Well, we had Star Wars elements to it. We My 199 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:40.080 groom's cake was the Death Star I had. I had 200 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:43.080 some Clone Troopers, some great great guys from the Fible 201 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:47.000 first came out to the wedding and walked in the 202 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:52.440 wedding party, you know the yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh. 203 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:55.039 Those guys are cool. They're really They're a lot of fun. 204 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:59.159 They're great. They're wonderful people. They do some cool things. Yeah, 205 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:03.600 and you know children's hospitals and charities and stuff like that. 206 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:06.480 They're like the New Shriners, you know, they go out 207 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:07.919 and do cool stuff for people. 208 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:10.279 It's really neat make a lot of people happy. They 209 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:14.480 made me yeah yeah, oh yeah, but man, yeah, it 210 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:20.320 was fun. We had a little couple of Star Wars vows. 211 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.399 I think my wife said something like you're the Obi 212 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:28.480 Wan for me. No, under a you know, like a 213 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:30.919 you know, they do like military swords if you're like 214 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.279 a marine. Well, yeah, not a marine. But we had 215 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.399 like the lightsabers, so we had party favors and people 216 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:38.759 held up the lightsabers and we walked we walked out. 217 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:40.320 Oh that's cool. 218 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:41.879 Yeah, we had Star Wars elements. 219 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:44.440 I was looking around for because the five Ozho first 220 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:48.000 gave me an honorary plaque for being hondo O Naka. 221 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:48.480 Yeah. 222 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:51.360 And uh, and I think we haven't packed up. I'm 223 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:53.480 sorry to say, because uh, you know, we're doing a 224 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.960 little juggling here. But but yeah, it's really great and 225 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:59.799 they're into it. My gosh, these guys are dead serious. 226 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:04.799 They walked through. I remember years ago I was walking through, uh, 227 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.519 just hanging out with Mark Hamill. It was at the 228 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:10.759 San Diego San Diego Comic Con, you know, the big 229 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:16.200 big mamou and uh and and these guys walk in 230 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.919 tandem there at marching to boom boom boo boom, you know, 231 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.960 dead dead, dead serious and Mark and I were just 232 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.440 hanging out in the hallway. I think Tom Kenney was there. 233 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:31.080 And so anyway, Luke Skywalker, uh, you know, cat Dog 234 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:35.600 and Winnie the Pooh we're all talking anyway, uh, and 235 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:38.120 you hear all of a sudden they they stop dead 236 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:42.200 dead in their tracks and they see Mark, and you hear, oh. 237 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:45.759 My god, Oh my god. 238 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.320 And then Mark goes, I gotta go, and he runs 239 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:53.039 down the hall and it cracked me up because he 240 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:57.559 literally ran down the hall. So we're standing there watching 241 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:03.000 Luke Skywalker being shape east by storm troopers and. 242 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.320 I'm thinking, should have filmed it? Yeah, I wish. 243 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:10.360 I'd love to get them to recreate that, and I'm 244 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:13.360 sure they'd be happy to do so, except maybe not Mark. 245 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:17.399 But it's a fun world. Yeah. 246 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:20.559 We definitely have some passionate fans and that's what makes 247 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:21.080 it fun though. 248 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:24.799 Yeah, oh god, yeah, yeah. They must go nuts at 249 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.720 you over you at the conventions, and I know they do. 250 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.559 Sometimes sometimes no one cares a thing in the world. 251 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:33.960 Oh you never know you. 252 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:37.840 I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Well, 253 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:41.200 you've had a lot of people caring a lot of 254 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:44.519 things in the world. We were doing some research on you, 255 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:47.639 and oh my gosh, you're all over the place right 256 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:51.720 you were command did Commander in Chief with Geena Davis, 257 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:53.840 who I'm crazy about years ago. 258 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:58.200 Yeah, that was one of my first really really big jobs. 259 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:04.000 Yeah yeah, quick, quick fun story with that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 260 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:07.519 I had been out in LA for a relatively short 261 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:09.600 amount of time. I think it was around six months 262 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.840 by that point, and then I booked that job. And 263 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:17.440 that does not happen to people, you know, all of 264 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:19.720 a sudden, I was a series regular on an ABC 265 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:23.039 show with an Oscar Winner as my mom. I mean, 266 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:25.840 it was wild. Had no idea what I was doing. 267 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:28.120 I mean, I tend to look back on all my 268 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:34.559 work and cringe, but truly back back then, yeah, it's bad, bad, bad, 269 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:37.279 But man, I'm proud to be a part of that show. 270 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:40.480 And you know, I got to work with Gina of course, 271 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:45.399 and Donald Sutherland to a degree. We we didn't have 272 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:47.679 a lot of scenes where we had dialogue, but I was. 273 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:51.519 I was in scene with him at times. Getting to 274 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:54.720 watch these people work when I was so young and 275 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:57.519 fresh and green. It was a lot of experience. 276 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.799 And yeah, well he's a great actor too. I mean 277 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.039 on Marvel, Donald Suthams, he's wonderful. 278 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:04.200 Oh my gosh. 279 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:05.919 Yeah, good for you man. 280 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:08.960 Yeah. And then that just sort of, you know, paved 281 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:11.360 the way, and I ended up ended up on a 282 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:12.919 lot of other really great shows with a lot of 283 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:13.840 a lot of great people. 284 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:17.080 Well, you were on the cult hit, right, Heroes. 285 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:20.320 I was on Heroes. I was on Heroes before it 286 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.039 became a hit because I think I did like episodes. 287 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:26.159 Well you probably helped make it a hit, then, how 288 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:26.639 about that? 289 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:30.639 Yeah, there you go, that's the way to go. It 290 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.639 wasn't many of the other series regular actors. 291 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:34.399 But yeah, it couldn't have been. 292 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.399 Yeah it was. I think I did like episode three 293 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:39.679 through seven or something on that and you know it 294 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.480 had just aired maybe. 295 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:42.440 And where did they shoot that? 296 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:47.240 They shot it in la for some reason. Yeah, the 297 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:51.960 majority of my stuff was in like Valencia. We shot 298 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:56.519 a lot out there. So yeah, but yeah, that was 299 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.799 then it just sort of season two, that thing really 300 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.080 really blew up, and you know, it really wasn't a 301 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:03.840 part of it, Uh didn't. So I didn't really feel 302 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:09.159 the fandom from that really, But but yeah, yeah, mmm, 303 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:11.080 a lot of a lot of good stuff. I was 304 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.759 able to do a play with Lawrence Fishburne. It was 305 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.360 me and him and one other girl man. That was 306 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:17.039 an experience. 307 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:19.080 I was going to ask you about that. 308 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.360 Yeah, you gotta tell us about that well, that was 309 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:21.799 a play. 310 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:30.399 Uh Alfred Yuri wrote that and it was like I said, 311 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:32.600 me and and Lawrence and another girl. I believe her 312 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:36.600 name was Amanda McDonald. Maybe I haven't seen her in years, 313 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:40.279 but uh that was really the first theater I'd really done. 314 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:42.559 And then all of a sudden, I'm in and I 315 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:45.679 mean one in one, one on one scenes with with 316 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:48.039 Lawrence Fishburne at all? 317 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:49.759 Was that? Was that nervous. 318 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:52.720 As I nervous? Oh my god. I mean every night 319 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:54.440 before I went out there, I was trying to do 320 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.120 push ups or whatever I could do to like just 321 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:59.720 try to call myself. It's one of those things with theater. 322 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:01.759 And by the way, this was at the Mark Taper 323 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:03.840 Form in LA. I think this might be the second 324 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:08.000 largest theater in LA. I think it seats around eight 325 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:10.919 hundred and of course we sold out every night. It's 326 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.559 it's you know, Florence Fishburn's more years so and he's wonderful. 327 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:17.919 Uh So that was intimidating and scary, but it's like 328 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.399 taking five acting classes at one time. I remember one 329 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:24.159 night we had been doing it several weeks at this point, 330 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:27.759 and looking back, I totally understand. But he came to 331 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:29.279 my dressing room and he goes, I'm gonna throw you 332 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.279 a curve ball tonight. I want you to hit it. 333 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:33.440 I want you to hit it out of the park. 334 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.000 And I was like, oh, no problem. And he left 335 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:37.879 and I'm like, what does that mean? 336 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:39.279 Right? 337 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:43.600 Yeah, you know, but no nerves, no nerves. But looking back, 338 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:45.639 I really what he was saying is I'm gonna I'm 339 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:47.399 gonna do things just a little bit different. We want 340 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:50.039 to keep it fresh for ourselves. And looking back, I 341 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:54.240 understand it, and you know, whatever, whatever, don't remember you 342 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:58.360 know specifically what he did that night, but but eventually, 343 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.279 you know, we the words just kind of we're there, 344 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:04.759 and uh, you know, you sort of ben begun to 345 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.440 look for things to sort of go wrong to kind 346 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.839 of you can work with it? Yeah, can can we 347 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:14.119 work through this? And one one evening we there was 348 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:15.799 a scene in the kitchen where we had to open 349 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.359 up coke bottle or something that I had to open 350 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:24.160 it and the thing exploded everywhere perfect, you know, yeah, exactly, Yeah, 351 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:27.480 but I remember it because you know, coke or whatever 352 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.960 was went everywhere. We're grabbing towels out of the kitchen 353 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.279 and we're just continuing this scene while we're the blocking 354 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:37.640 is totally different than what we'd rehearsed, and it worked. 355 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:40.000 And I remember that because I was like, this is 356 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:41.920 really interesting. We had to figure out how to make 357 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.240 that thing work and we did, and no one would 358 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:44.960 have known the difference. 359 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:45.680 Yeah. 360 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:46.119 Wow. 361 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:48.880 To me, that's the most exhilarating part about acting on 362 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:51.079 stage is like the game within the game, that's what 363 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:53.720 I call it. It's like when you've reheard something so 364 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:55.839 many times that you know it like the back of 365 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:58.200 your hand, but like exactly what you're talking about. The 366 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:02.079 intricacies that come up with even a different inflection on 367 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:04.759 something or like you mentioned, you know, different blocking. To me, 368 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.559 that's like the most fun part about being on stage. 369 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:14.359 It's so vulnerable being on stage, right, Yeah, so vulnerable. 370 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:16.920 You know, you can hide behind a microphone, you can 371 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.440 hide behind a camera because you can just cut and 372 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:22.119 then just restart. But when you're out there in front 373 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:24.960 of eight hundred people on Saturday night and you've got 374 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.279 long fish for next to you, and these people are 375 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:29.640 paying good money and they're expecting to see art, and 376 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:30.799 I'm just trying to survive. 377 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:34.599 You know, He's a hell of an actor. My gosh, yeah, 378 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:36.720 you know, oh he really is. 379 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:38.240 And I don't think a lot of people know how 380 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:40.359 good he is on stage, Like he really has a 381 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:44.000 thespian background, Like he was a theater actor first and foremost. 382 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:47.000 You know, obviously he got the fame from the Matrix, 383 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.079 but he is a phenomenal actor. 384 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.759 When they when they use the word presence on screen 385 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.759 or on stage, he is that. He has such a 386 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.519 presence about him. And I haven't seen him since actually, 387 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:02.599 but I kind of want to apologize just for like 388 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:03.720 ruining his play. 389 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:08.680 Generous. I'm sure you're in I'm standing. 390 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:11.759 Did you did you grow up as a theater kid 391 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:15.880 where you're doing plays? As a kid, I did church plays. 392 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.000 I went with the first time you were on stage? 393 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:19.920 Can you remember that? 394 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:23.759 Well? That that the first time I was really stage? 395 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.640 Was that the first time? But aside from yeah, I mean, 396 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:29.880 aside from you know, church skits, but I don't think 397 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.720 you can really count that. But I did not grow up. 398 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:35.799 I grew up. I grew up as a sports kid. 399 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:40.000 I was playing more sports and I can't kind of 400 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:45.160 came from a sports family. My sister did some stage 401 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:47.720