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Speaker 2: And now back to v H one salute to singers

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from the nineties today's installment why they all needed to

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turn every vowel into the letter A.

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Speaker 3: It used to be.

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Speaker 4: That you love May, but now it's nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 5: Hi, and I half to say it, are you free?

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Speaker 6: The letter head earlier?

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Speaker 7: Aleta, thank you.

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Speaker 6: This is John Fulbright.

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Speaker 4: Hi, This is jar Williams.

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Speaker 5: Hi.

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Speaker 6: This is Mitch Margle of the Tokens.

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Speaker 6: This is Gary us Bonds. Matt here on the Rock

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and Roll History Show. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the

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Rock and Roll History Show and Hudson River Radio. I'm

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Brian Horowitz. Tonight we're gonna be talking about musicians who

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were successful and then changed careers, either by choice or

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maybe not so much. We'll find out. But before we

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hop in, as always, allow me to introduce all of

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the cranbones who are joining us here tonight. First and foremost,

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from the Richter Observatory, he figured out that the longest

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drum solo ever was twelve hours, played by the kids

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sitting behind him on his last flight to England. Neil

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Richter is here.

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Speaker 7: Hey, everybody, should I say?

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Speaker 6: And the host of Paranormally Yours. She only sings in

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the car when it's going in reverse. She's a backup singer.

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Gl Nuklem is here.

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Speaker 4: Oh hell, I mean hello.

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Speaker 6: And from the silver screen she saw a vegan, a

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yoga student, and an atheist walk into a bar. She

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only knew because they told everybody within the first two minutes.

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And it's Mercedes Kent is here.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so true.

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Speaker 6: Hey, hey, everybody, and joining us from his upstairs bathroom.

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He is ready to accept an airplane from any country

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willing to give him one. He'll also take a boat,

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a jet ski or an ATV, but no East scooters

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because those are ridiculous. John Kelly's back with us.

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Speaker 2: Hi, John, Hey, Brian, Hey, everybody, good to be here,

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and I'll gladly accept that plane as long as somebody

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else pays for the games.

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Speaker 7: There you go.

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Speaker 6: And last, but not least, the host of Shaving Cream,

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she decided to download the Titanic movie. It's sinking right now,

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Barbara vielle Is.

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Speaker 8: That just sums up everything, right pretty much.

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Speaker 6: Everybody's having a rough weekend, which you know, but we're

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here to have a good weekend, all right. It was

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the following week. Yeah, I hear you, but what can

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we do. We're just gonna make the most of it tonight.

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We're gonna have a good time. But I thought before

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we been recently we talked about if you remember, monitoring

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systems and like what the performers here on stage versus

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what the audience heres? And Guns and Roses click tracks,

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we talked about the click tracks and all that. Yeah, well,

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Guns and Roses had a little thing that kind of

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made the rounds. It's been a bad month for drummers

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because Zach Starkey is back out. We're a little behind

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the times on this.

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Speaker 6: So Guns and Roses has a new drummer, Isaac Carpenter,

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and they were doing a show in Japan and he

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started playing the wrong song. So Axel Rose is trying

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to correct him. So it's a great example of he's

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talking into his mic and everybody on stage can hear,

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but the audience can't and all. So let me play

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a clip of what happened in Guns and Roses a

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couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 9: No bad obsession, Bad obsessions?

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Speaker 6: Can Isaac not hear me? Somebody answer me.

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Speaker 9: I can barely hear whoever's talking, all right.

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Speaker 10: My check for dub, my check for.

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Speaker 6: So now they're all back on the right track. But

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Speaker 8: Wow talking about marching to the beat of a different drummer.

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your monitor engineer controlling what everybody's hearing on stage in

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front of house shuts off axls mic, so you didn't

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hear that wrong song whole thing going.

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Speaker 4: On there, and that person did their job.

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Speaker 6: And they did their job.

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forty something years, you're still gonna have mistakes up there

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and all that. So I thought that would be something

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entertaining to share with all y'all. So let us hop

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it hop in tonight to our career change topic. Barbara,

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Speaker 8: Okay, So for musicians who changed careers. My song choice

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It's by a musician fred Neil born Frederick Ralph Morlock

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Junior on March sixteenth, nineteen thirty six, in Cleveland, Ohio.

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His family moved to Saint Petersburg, Florida in nineteen forty two,

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where he started to sing while attending first grade, later

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learning guitar in sixth grade. He served two years in

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the Navy and was discharged in nineteen fifty five. He

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married and divorced several times. And I loved reading all

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these names of all these super women he was married to,

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but most notably at least to me, because I recognized

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the name. His second wife was Elaine Berman, who later

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married Tony Orlando. Fred Neil composed and recorded my song

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choice Everybody's Talking in nineteen sixty six, and I can't

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say the title of that song without my New York

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accent coming out, so I apologize for that. So it

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was recorded in sixty six, but it actually wasn't released

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until nineteen sixty eight on his self titled album, and

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the song became a hit when it was covered by

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singer Harry Nilson in nineteen sixty nine. It reached number

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six on the Billboard Hot one hundred and won a

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Grammy after being featured in the film Midnight Cowboy.

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Speaker 1: So before we.

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Speaker 8: Continue, let's listen to the original Fred Neil recording.

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Speaker 5: Everybody is talking head me. I don't hear what they're saying,

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only the ecless. Oh my mind. People stop in steering,

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I can't see the paces. Holdly the shadow. Who's out there?

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I'm going with the sun, you shine in through the

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poor it ring.

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Speaker 11: Snipping over the old shine like stone.

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the boy and ring, go in where the weather shoots

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my cloes baking after the northeast, when say, laying on

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a solar breed skipping over the ocean like stone. Ye,

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everybody else talking at me, can't hear what the same

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old many headles on my mind. I'll let my love her.

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Speaker 6: I let you my love.

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Speaker 9: I will let you.

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Speaker 8: Fred Neil had been interested in dolphins since the mid

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nineteen sixties after visiting the Miami Seaquarium. He had moved

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to Woodstock in nineteen sixty nine, but left there in

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the mid nineteen seventies. After co founding the Dolphin Research

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Project in nineteen seventy, dedicated to stopping the worldwide capture, trafficking,

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and exploitation of dolphins, he had increasingly spent more time

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on the Dolphin Project and gradually disappeared from recording altogether,

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and many of his early nineteen seventies recordings remained unissued

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and unreleased. In June nineteen eighty seven, he was involved

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in a car accident that took the life of his girlfriend,

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and he passed away on July seventh, two thousand and one,

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from cancer. And the reason I chose this particular artist

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is because while researching all the various musicians, I found

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this website that had all these musicians that changed careers

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and what they changed to and I found this one

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to be like the most intriguing. I thought this was

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really really cool. And the other thing, yeah, the other

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thing that really really caught my eye that just I

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guess a nerd like me would notice this that his

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given name Frederick Ralph Morlock, the last name Morlocke. That

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was the name of the creatures in HG. Well's Time Machine.

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They were called the Morlocks. If you remember they had

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no that was his born name. He changed it to

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Fred Neil, So I kind of liked the fact that

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he picked Neil, but I would have kept Morlock. I

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would have changed my name in Neil.

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Speaker 4: Or make it a hyphenated last name Neil dash Morlock.

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Speaker 6: No, just make your first name more in your last

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name Locke.

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Speaker 4: Hey, whatever works.

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Speaker 8: So that was like two things that just like pulled

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me in. Was the moral lock thing and the dolphin thing. Yeah,

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well that just sucked me right, And that was it.

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Speaker 6: Dolphins and the traffic and well I started thinking ace

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Ventura and then you said he died from cancer, and

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I'm like, well, then I can't drop that line right after.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's that's it.

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Speaker 4: So like that, that's a.

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Speaker 6: Pretty drastic career change. That's certainly I would say it's

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a pretty drastic career.

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Speaker 2: I like the song. It was a nice dreamy cop. Well,

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well obviously we've heard it performance.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was very soothing. I really did like it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, good lead off, Thank you, Barbara, Gail,

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you're up.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. And apparently I am not up on current

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events in certain ways because I found out I messed

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up with my choice. Uh, oh yeah, yeah. As a

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kid in like middle school, I adored Kat Stephen. I

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still love his music. I thought he left the industry completely,

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but apparently his son a few years ago talked him

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back into coming back into secular music. He had a

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religious conversion at one point, and it's amazing because Okay,

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his father was Greek Orthodox, his mother was Baptist. He

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was born and raised in London. They sent him to

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Catholic school. Earlier in his career, he was into Zen Buddhism.

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Handed up having a major, major spiritual overhaul at one

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point later in his life, in nineteen seventy seven, he

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converted to Islam and that's when he leave up doing

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secular music for several years. There is so much, so

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many facts about Kat Stephens. He was born Stephen Dimitri Giorgio.

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He went right after his conversion, he went by Yusuf

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Islam and now he just goes by Yusuf. He's a

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British singer, songwriter and musician. In his whole career, he

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has sold more than one hundred million records and has

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more than two billion streams. His music varies from folk, pop, rock,

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and later in his career to Islamic music now it

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was for twenty years he did only music which met

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strict religious standards, meaning as now, I don't know a

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lot about Islam, but there are some Muslims that say

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music at all is harahm, it's forbidden. So I learned

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something I didn't even know there was any music considered

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acceptable or hellal in Islam. So the song I Chose

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is something I've always loved. It wasn't released as a single.

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It was from his album Catch Bull at Four and

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it was released on the twenty seventh of September in

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nineteen seventy two. He recorded it in May nineteen seventy

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two in various different places Studio The Manor Studio in Oxfordshire,

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Chateau de Ruvi in Eruvilla, France, Morgan Studios in London.

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The whole album is almost forty minutes long, and the

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song that I chose because I love love, love love

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love it is called Angel. See let's have.

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Speaker 7: A listen.

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Speaker 14: See slang the Angel and sell them Eve and stuff,

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cancel the windows upfer you Ne's out of offer you

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Nehver's a house that crystal little little meding your soul

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so patiently avoiding before y'all used to be whole boy,

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y'all he used to the hole, the sheer.

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Speaker 13: Wrists up the water Belave dimondlong the shore and discermritism,

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who watch the motion, the cellar door, the breath be wall,

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the fire, dear man, the part bisiness to magicians, after Dancer,

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the lot and the Dancer.

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Speaker 3: To the park side.

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Speaker 14: Her clothes are maid of rainbows and twenty thousand kids

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Speaker 14: Oooh my baby, I want you and on my line

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fasse awhere fine come jumps will follow you forever.

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Speaker 9: If your muny everywhere, if yous me everywhere, He who

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like the NATO and stands in its suck.

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Speaker 14: Down through the windows of rivers of the Doctor, rivers

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of ac nivers.

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Speaker 4: That song never fails to make me feel just joyous

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and happy and all is right with the world. I

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just love that. Rumor had it that he partly wrote

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it about the c s Ea the Ocean, and rumor

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had it that he also wrote it about Carly Simon,

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who he was in a relationship with for seven months.

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I think in the seventies. Now, I asked my colleagues

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here to listen to the song and see if they

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could figure out what the background singers are singing. Do

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any of you have any idea?

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Speaker 6: It says, who's going to sign for this? Ups sign

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for this?

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Speaker 7: I like that.

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Speaker 4: Actually, we'd like.

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Speaker 8: To talk to you about your car's extended warranty.

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Speaker 5: Here you go.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's a bit of a trick question, actually, because

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on December eighth, twenty twenty two, he was interviewed about

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that very question, and he said, they are made up words.

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I wanted to sound like an Armenian chorus. Boom dala saqua,

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boom dalles qua.

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Speaker 8: Where did he get Armenian chorus from?

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Speaker 6: Who knows?

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's like so was specific.

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Speaker 6: Then again, who's gonna say that doesn't sound Armenian.

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Speaker 4: An Armenian person, right?

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Speaker 6: Maybe? Yeah, odds in your favor, you're gonna get away

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with it.

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Speaker 1: But the Armenian person would have to actually think it's Armenian.

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Speaker 7: Right, right?

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Speaker 4: And I don't offhand know anybody who's like first generation Armenian.

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So anyway, the album Catch Bullet four, which was actually

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his sixth studio album, was well His album was well

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received both commercially and critically. Rolling Stone was happy with

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the gorgeous melody and orchestration, while simultaneously disappointed by the

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lack of a single track comparable to Morning Has Broken

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from Cheezer and the Fire Cat. But I think it's

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a beautiful, gorgeous song and it just makes me very

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very happy.

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Speaker 6: I can see what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like a kind of kind of

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a feel good, kind of a lift, uplifting, you know

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it is.

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Speaker 6: It's very joyous.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 6: Excellent, all right, thank you, Gail.

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Speaker 4: That's my that's my somewhat erroneous choice.

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Speaker 6: No, I think it counts. I think it's twenty year

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pause and then coming back. I think I think you're

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okay good. Yeah, all right, We're gonna take a real

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quick break and we'll be back with more right after this.

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Hudson River Radio, Your dog likes us.

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Speaker 1: This concludes the first part of this cassette. Please turn

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the cassette over and begin again on side too. This

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is Hudson River Radio dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Ah Ry.

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Speaker 6: And welcome back. We are going to hop right back

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into career changes with John. What do you have for us? John.

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Speaker 2: Okay, tonight I selected a song from a British band

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which is still out there today. This one comes from

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nineteen ninety three and the song is called Things Can

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Only Get Better. It was a Northern Irish well, it

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is a Northern Irish band called d rem As in

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d Semi colon r e a m or dream. It's

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what's interesting about the song is I need to say

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this right from the get go. I can't stand it, okay,

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So I just need to let everybody in radio land know.

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But this is not about the song, okay, but I

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do want to play the song because of the theme

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of tonight's show, So keep that in mind, please, Okay,

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Thanks and feel free everybody out there in radio land

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and my colleagues here at Hudson River Radio to tell

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me if you love it, you hate it, bash it,

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praise it, whatever, I'm you know, whatever, bring it on.

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But anyway, it actually became, according to what I found

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here on the BBC of all things, a defining British

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political anthem. And it was a bit of a sleeper hit.

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It did reach the top of the charts in the

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UK and it got pretty high on the charts in

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the US. For a short period of time too.

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Speaker 6: Believe it or not.

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Speaker 2: However, it's just I just it's it's not one of

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my favorites. If you were British in the early nineties,

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you loved it. But I'm not British, not Northern Irish.

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I'm just a guy from New Jersey who doesn't like

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the song. So, Brian, why don't we play it? And then?

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But before you play it again, what I want you

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to do when you listen to the song, see if

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you can pick up the keyboards and we'll leave it

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at that.

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Speaker 9: Brian, you can my path, you can wear Mauss shoes.

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Speaker 13: Then you too.

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Speaker 6: But maybe.

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Speaker 5: You ain't never gonna feel this way.

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Speaker 13: You ain't never gonna know me.

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Speaker 7: But I know you.

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Speaker 6: Singing there that bad a can only get better?

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Speaker 10: No, only get that.

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Speaker 9: You'll be see you, damns me.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do to tease me.

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Speaker 3: Not to day.

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Speaker 8: Can only get better, nonly get No, only get they.

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Speaker 13: Get on a minion.

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Speaker 10: No, I know that, Dad's no, they get better. Sometimes

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lose myself, I lose time.

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Speaker 4: And I can't see the.

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Speaker 10: Jez she said on the lad.

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Speaker 1: But brid just as you go to too Fa, I

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got the person to.

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Speaker 15: Word and then you sit walk my friend with my shoes,

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talk like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm big into the thing, cannot play.

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Speaker 12: Can you?

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Speaker 3: So I cannot get.

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Speaker 13: I cannot make get.

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Speaker 3: You anything.

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Speaker 6: Show me bred you do this and agree, and.

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Speaker 10: You've shown me.

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Speaker 13: I'm just nothing to do this.

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Speaker 9: See I look at things now, you die.

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Speaker 3: For the one.

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Speaker 5: Everything.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me? Fuck your man when you.

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Speaker 6: See you do like that cop and into everything.

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Speaker 1: You cannot lead. You cannot.

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Speaker 3: The way that I cannot. I cannot help me get

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you can.

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Speaker 6: It's you a little lighter up there, you know?

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Speaker 2: No, okay, I things can only get better by d

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dream whatever you want to call it. So my take

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on the song is I was telling my colleagues here

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while I was playing, it's kind of like one of

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those coming of age late eighties movies and the song

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you hear when the credits are rolling, and it's just

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it's not that they can't sing, they can't play, it's just,

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I don't know, it's kind of a tired theme.

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Speaker 6: But the kind of song where you're getting up and

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walking out of the room like at the end of

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the movie. Yeah that you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, Can I just say that John hates this song.

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Speaker 4: I've heard worse.

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Speaker 7: Now, but you're right.

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Speaker 12: I mean it sounds to me like so eighties and

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it was like so done, yeah, yeah, nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 1: You know what, YB hashett I regurgitate it.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: One of the homework assignments I gave everybody out there

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on radio land was to just kind of make no

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of the keyboards, because the keyboards. The keyboardists for this

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particular band was also the keyboardist for a band called Dare.

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His name is Brian Cox, known today in twenty twenty

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five as Professor Brian Cox. Mister Cox was studying physics

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towards the end of his time with the band, and

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he decided to leave to get his PhD in particle

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physics as one does, yes, and to study at the

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CERN super Collider as well. And he so he went

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from keyboarding for these late eighties and nineties kind of

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British pop bands going on to a career in physics.

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He currently is a what is it, He's a professor

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at the University of Manchester and he also he's become

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a bit of a guy who kind of makes science

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easy to understand and if you google his name, Professor

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Brian Cox, not the actor. You can see all kinds

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of videos and he talks about planets and he talks

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about the speed of light and traveling, and it's just

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he's utterly fascinating in his delivery.

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Speaker 6: He also looks.

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Speaker 2: It's really funny because he looks like a British rocker.

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Speaker 4: He does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got the long hair and those British features.

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That just he looks like a British rocker. But he's

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known for books like why does E equals MC squared?

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The quantum Universe and things like that. He also his dissertation.

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I want to know if anybody out there would like

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to read his dissertation. It's something that I'm sure it's

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going to be something you're going to enjoy for some

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light reading. It was double it was oh gosh, it

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was double diffraction disassociation at large momentum transfer.

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Speaker 4: No, thank you.

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Speaker 8: So he went such a monkey right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll wait for the cliff notes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And it's one hundred and twenty one pages long.

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I actually went through it. No, I didn't read it,

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but I did go through it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they'll make a movie of it.

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Speaker 6: Maybe I play the song over the closing credit. But

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he is a so he left.

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Speaker 2: Periodically he dabbles in music, but for the most part

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he's a professor at the University of Manchester studying and

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researching particle physics and working at the CERN Hadron Collider.

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So you can't get farther from music than that, or

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can you.

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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Speaker 12: Well, it sounds like he's a pretty smart guy. And yes,

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fact that he left that band proves the point that

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he was a smart guy.

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Speaker 6: Exactly exactly. He interesting things about the guy he.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety one he earned a Bachelor of Science

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with first class honors in physics and then after d

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Dream disbanded in nineteen ninety seven, although they're back and

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today he completed his Doctor of Philosophy in high energy

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particle physics at the University of Manchester with the thesis

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double diffraction disassociation at large momentum transfer say that two

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times is fixed? Yes so, But today what's fascinating is

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is that he's a brilliant mind. But he's known for

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bringing science to the masses to better understand it, and

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he does all kinds of talk shows and he writes

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books that people can understand, and which is what he's

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really famous for today, not for his keyboarding with d

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Dream and Dare. So that's my presentation here tonight. It

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was from small beginnings to a brilliant professor doing cutting

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edge research in particle physics. As I was saying before,

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he is the Sheldon. He is the modern day, real

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life Sheldon Cooper.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a that's a career switch. Yeah, yeah, that's Google.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 8: I've seen him on TV and I didn't know about

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the musical beginnings, and I always wondered why he had

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that stupid beetle haircut.

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Speaker 6: Is an old style.

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Speaker 2: He's like an eighties rocker or kind of like an

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eighties po I wouldn't silly rock, but kind of like

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an eighties pop rock kind of a guy who is

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a brilliant physicist. They don't know how else to describe it.

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But it's interesting, as as Neilia pointed out, and he

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had the brains to leave the band. But you gotta it,

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just just you gotta wonder how. I wonder how people

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that brilliant, how they think, you know, you wonder how

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their brain processes information.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but he's only thinking about particles, not the whole thing.

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So he's just taking it a little bit out of time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, very true. You know I'll give you that, Brian.

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You know I'll give you that. So that is my

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my thing tonight. It was Professor Brian Cox, formerly of

480
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,760
the band's Dream and Dare. He went from a keyboardist

481
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,599
in those bands to particle physics and advanced science.

482
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,679
Speaker 6: There you go. That was a good one. All right,

483
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,760
thank you, John, buddy, you are up.

484
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:11,039
Speaker 12: Okay, Well, my subject for today's topic is drummer Terry Chimes,

485
00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:15,199
who went from being a drum smacker to a Crackerbacker

486
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,920
chiropractor in real terms. But Terrence Terry Chimes worn in

487
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,280
nineteen fifty six an English musician from London, and he's

488
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,239
best known as the original drummer for the punk band

489
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,800
The Clash, whose other original co founding members included Chimes,

490
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:39,880
with Joe Drummer and Mick Jones both on guitars and vocals,

491
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,719
Paul Simon and In on bass, and Keith Levine also

492
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,800
on guitar. Now, both Chimes and Levine would leave the band.

493
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,599
Keith Levine later formed Public Image Limited with ex sex

494
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:57,400
pistol John Lyden, or as I like to call him,

495
00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:02,760
Johnny Rotten, my old pal. The Monter Commercial and Chimes

496
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,960
would go back to the Clash to record their first debut,

497
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:11,920
their self titled album. Now, after recording that album, Chimes

498
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,760
would once again leave and he was replaced by longtime

499
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,880
drummer Papara Hayden. So let's see if I can get

500
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,880
this all straight for you here. Chimes played several stints

501
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,960
with The Clash Now, the first one from July to

502
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,320
November in nineteen seventy six. I guess that's when they

503
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,880
founded the group. He left and he came back from

504
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,199
January to April nineteen seventy seven, I guess to record

505
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,280
the record, and he left, and then he returned in

506
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,159
May of nineteen eighty two until February of nineteen eighty three.

507
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,320
So we kind of flip flop with Topper, if you

508
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,280
see what I'm saying now. It was during that last

509
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,760
stint he was on a tour here in the US

510
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,159
opening for The Who with the Clash, and that was

511
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:00,320
the only time I got to see them one and

512
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,119
only time seeing the Clash open for the Who at

513
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,760
Chase Stadium. Now, Topper he had kind of been forced

514
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:11,760
to leave the band for a while because he had

515
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,079
sort of a drug addiction problem, so they got Chimes

516
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:21,239
to come back. But before we go any further, let's

517
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,800
check out the Clash. But the song I thought was

518
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,679
pretty uh at propos for today. It's called Career Opportunities

519
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:33,480
from the debut album of The Clash featuring Terry Chimes

520
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:35,920
on drums, And we'll come back with the rest of

521
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,360
the story after that.

522
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 9: Jo diapp, I used to kick you up a dot com,

523
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:03,920
the one that.

524
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:09,199
Speaker 5: Never man sick.

525
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,119
Speaker 3: All right, I don't want to know if I him

526
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:14,320
in the.

527
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,679
Speaker 16: I have never stop this, but I want about black

528
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:22,679
for you.

529
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,639
Speaker 9: Carry up one enough every job dieapp.

530
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:30,679
Speaker 3: I used to kick you up a dock covering.

531
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:32,599
Speaker 5: The one and never.

532
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,679
Speaker 10: Oh but.

533
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: I'm even bad all the time.

534
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,519
Speaker 9: Bang onna have sucking Untrea shu Bang.

535
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 14: Gonna have to take away my place.

536
00:39:58,039 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: If I want to get.

537
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,559
Speaker 3: Them bake it.

538
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: Wow, I got.

539
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,519
Speaker 6: The dog.

540
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:13,119
Speaker 12: Nev on.

541
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Speaker 7: Right.

542
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:28,639
Speaker 12: The Clash from their debut nineteen seventy seven sounds a

543
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:32,320
little different from the combat rock days, but that's what

544
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,760
they sounded like when they got started. With our topic today,

545
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,360
Terry Chimes on the drums. Now if his tenure Terry

546
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,280
Chimes tenure with the band was a little confusing. Hang on,

547
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:46,920
this is gonna get even worse.

548
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 7: Okay.

549
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:52,559
Speaker 12: The Clash's debut, as I said, was released in the

550
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,960
UK in nineteen seventy seven, but it wasn't released here

551
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,880
in the US until nineteen seventy nine. That was after

552
00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:05,360
their second album, Give Them Enough Rope had already come

553
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,280
out here in the US in nineteen seventy eight, so

554
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:14,599
it made their debut album was actually the second release

555
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:15,480
here in the US.

556
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,559
Speaker 6: Is that weird tiy wymy have it?

557
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 12: It's yeah, why, I have no idea, But probably because

558
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:29,760
that English punk stuff and any of that wasn't really

559
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,440
you know, the record companies.

560
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 7: Were going out your brain, nobody wants.

561
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 12: To hear this stuff. Well, I guess by nineteen seventy

562
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:44,119
nine they were like, yeah, maybe they do. Anyway, In

563
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,760
between stints with the Class you think that, you know,

564
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:50,599
Terry Chimes actually had another you know, he did do

565
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,280
other things. He played with Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers

566
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,679
in seventy seven. Briefly he played with Generation X who

567
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:03,760
Stinger was to become and was Billy Idol. That was

568
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,639
in nineteen eighty to eighty one. He also played with

569
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,280
Billy Idol for a while as a solo He was

570
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,519
in the band Hanoi Rocks in nineteen eighty five and

571
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,960
was on tour with Black Sabbath without Ozzie at that

572
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:21,920
time in nineteen eighty seven and nineteen eighty eight, so

573
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,119
he did have a you know, he went beyond and

574
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,119
did have a pretty good career as a drummer. But

575
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:32,360
it was during this time with Black Sabbath that Chimes

576
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,199
first discovered the world of chiropractic. Now, you know, many

577
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,400
drummers developed bad backs as a result of hunching over

578
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,039
the drums over the kit for many, many years, but

579
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:48,320
this wasn't the case with Chimes. Chimes was introduced to

580
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:54,239
a chiropractor after a marathon game of bowling bowling during

581
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,679
downtime with Black Sabbath. You know, they were just hanging

582
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,320
out and they said, oh, why don't we go bowling?

583
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,039
He had never don it, Well, great, let's go. Yeah,

584
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,119
he had never done it before, so he sort of

585
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,559
overdid it. They played for like hours, so after it

586
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:14,960
was done, he was hurting. So the band just said, well,

587
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,880
we just happened to have a resident chiropractor on call,

588
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,599
and you know, let's bring him in. And it not

589
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,440
only relieved the pain in his arm, but it planted

590
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,840
the seed in his head. Over the next few years

591
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,079
to leave the music business and study to be a

592
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:34,079
chiropractor himself in the hopes of giving that kind of

593
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:38,920
relief from pain to others that the Black Sabbath chiropractor

594
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,480
had given to him. And by nineteen ninety three he

595
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:47,559
had established several practices throughout England and also became became

596
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:53,480
a trained acupuncturist. And it's interesting to note that while

597
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,480
he enjoyed partying like a rock star to some degree,

598
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,039
he was also rather health conscious to begin with. He

599
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:02,559
never smoked, he never really indulged in drugs, He was

600
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:06,079
a vegetarian, and he actually gave up drinking entirely when

601
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:08,760
he was only twenty six years old, so.

602
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Speaker 7: He had the health thing going for a while now.

603
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 12: In two thousand and three, Chimes was also inducted with

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the rest of the Clash as a member into the

605
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,119
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, where he also praised

606
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:27,039
todp ra Hayden during his acceptance speech. And by the way,

607
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:29,679
he occasionally he does go back and play a few

608
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:31,519
you know songs of the.

609
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Speaker 6: Band now and then nice but everybody's on good terms.

610
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,280
You don't hear that very often? Good Yeah.

611
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 7: From a drummer to a chiropractice.

612
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

613
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:49,119
Speaker 6: Man, these really are big career switches. Very cool. All right,

614
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:51,960
thanks Neil. We're going to take another real quick break

615
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and we'll be back with two more right after this.

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Hudson Riverradio dot Com.

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Speaker 9: Hudson Riverradio dot com.

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Speaker 6: And welcome back, Mercedes.

619
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Speaker 7: Up to you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I am ready. So Marky Mark is a thug

621
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,559
or he was a thug and a rapper and now

622
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:27,880
he's a movie star, so that's a career change. He

623
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,320
was born in Boston and is the youngest of nine children.

624
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:34,440
Is an older brother. Was making a name for himself

625
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,519
as a rapper in the boy band New Kids on

626
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:39,679
the Block, which Marky Mark joined but quit after a

627
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,519
few months. He had twenty to twenty five incidents on

628
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:46,920
his record with the Boston Police Department during his teen years.

629
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,599
At thirteen, he was addicted to cocaine and other things,

630
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,000
and by fourteen he had dropped out of high school.

631
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:56,719
At fifteen, he had a civil action lawsuit filed against

632
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,480
him for two instances of harassing African American children, which

633
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:06,039
included throwing rocks and shouting slurs, which he had apologized.

634
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:11,679
He has apologized publicly for several times. In nineteen ninety,

635
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:17,599
he began recording with Scott Ross, Hector Barrows, Anthony Thomas,

636
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:21,599
and Terry Yanty as Marky Mark on the Funky Bunch.

637
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,440
They had a hit on their first album with Good Vibrations,

638
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:28,320
which hit number one on the Billboard Hot one hundred.

639
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,280
On your first album at that time, they shot a

640
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,519
video where Marky showed off his body. As a result,

641
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:39,639
he did a series of underwear edge for Calvin Klein

642
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,559
that were displayed on billboards and on TV. They were everywhere.

643
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,280
He also did a famous Vanity Fair spread for their

644
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,239
annual Hall of Fame issue. The second single off the

645
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,760
album was Wildside, which peaked at number ten on Billboard's

646
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,199
Hot one hundred, and it is the song that we're

647
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,440
going to hear in a bit. He went on to

648
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:03,639
record with many different artists in many different styles throughout

649
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,679
the nineties. As I said, he had a rocky past,

650
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,239
and he was arrested charged with manslaughter, facing two years

651
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,400
in jail, but only served forty five days and that

652
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,440
was enough to turn his life around. A quote from

653
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:20,119
him says, as soon as I began that life of crime,

654
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,320
there was always a voice in my head telling me

655
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,519
I was going to end up in jail. Three of

656
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:27,159
my brothers had done time, My sister went to prison

657
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,639
so many times I lost count. Finally I was there,

658
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,800
locked up with the kind of guys had always wanted

659
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,639
to be like. Now I'd earned my stripes and I

660
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,280
was just like them, and I realized it wasn't what

661
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,480
I wanted at all. I'd end up in the worst

662
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:44,320
place I could possibly imagine, and I never wanted to

663
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,760
go back. First of all, I had to learn to

664
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,119
stay on the straight and narrow. In twenty fourteen, Wahlberg

665
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:54,000
applied for a pardon from the state of Massachusetts for

666
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:58,440
his convictions. According to BBC, the debate about his suitability

667
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:02,840
for a pardon raised difficult issues, with the argument on

668
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:08,519
both sides being far reaching and complex. Wahlberg later said

669
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:12,800
he regretted the attempt to obtain the pardon. In nineteen

670
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,920
ninety three, Mark Wahlberg made his acting career debut in

671
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,039
a TV movie called The Substitute, and after his appearance

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00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,719
he dropped the Marky Mark name. He went on to

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00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,079
do many more films which earned him positive reviews, such

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00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:33,079
as The Basketball Diaries, Fear, which was his first starring role,

675
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:37,239
Boogie Knights, The Big Hit, Three Kings, Planet of the Apes,

676
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,559
The Truth About Charlie, which was directed by Jonathan Debbie

677
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:45,320
who was a local Rockland person, The Italian job i

678
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,920
Heeart Hackebees The Departed, which gave him an Oscar for

679
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:52,239
Best Supporting Actor, and he was considered for a role

680
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,519
in Broke Back Mountain, which he turned down because he

681
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:59,639
was uncomfortable with the sexians. He also starred in two

682
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,840
films in the Transformers live action film franchise, Transformers Age

683
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,320
of Extinction from twenty fourteen and Transformers The Last Night

684
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,559
from twenty seventeen, and More and More and More. In

685
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,599
twenty seventeen, he topped the list of the world's highest

686
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:21,880
paid actor. In twenty eighteen, his salary of one point

687
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,559
five million for the reshoots for All the Money in

688
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:30,480
the World stirred a gender pay gap controversy, and as

689
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,159
his co star Michelle Williams had received less than one

690
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:39,000
thousand dollars for the same reshoots, Wahlberg donated the money

691
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:44,280
to the Times Up Initiative, a movement against sexual harassment

692
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:50,719
co founded by Williams. He was also executive produced Entourage,

693
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,760
which is loosely based on his early years in Hollywood.

694
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,039
Boardwalk Empire, had to make excusing, how to make it

695
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:04,400
in America and Ballers. So let's hear this Marky Mark song.

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Speaker 3: Ah.

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Speaker 6: American, A beautiful.

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00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,079
Speaker 6: Let me introduce you all to the wild side.

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Speaker 16: Annie was a high school cheerleader, palms and Bobbie socks.

701
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 7: And no girl was gonna come from time.

702
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Speaker 16: Everybody was on the line, all the fellas singer Nikka

703
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went down and tales about love and lust and truck.

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00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,639
But Annie took it all in stride because deep inside

705
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,639
and he had aspirations. Besides that, she had expectations. Wanted

706
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:47,519
to be a chemical engineer, making fifty to fifty five

707
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:50,519
thousand a year. A first year of college was a success,

708
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,280
but along comes Billy, possessed and obsessed. He took Annie

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on a fatal's date to show the things that made

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00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,239
harp It's accelerates, and he took a head breathe two

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00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,199
short preps.

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Speaker 6: One for life, the last for death.

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00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:05,599
Speaker 16: Now she's going to form a valedictorian ended up becoming

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00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:08,039
a top of four story in to wash up dreams,

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00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,559
shattered bride, or because Zanny took a hit on the

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00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:12,440
wild Side.

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Speaker 7: Ron had enough of.

718
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,599
Speaker 16: Being broke every day, saying to himself, that's gotta be

719
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:44,760
a better way, because nine in the five wasn't worth

720
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:45,480
the headaches.

721
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:47,559
Speaker 6: So Ron figured out a fastest.

722
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 7: Way to make money.

723
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,119
Speaker 6: Before you know it is a rich Man gold on

724
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,559
everything O that's hand a brand new BMW a condo.

725
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,639
Speaker 7: Ron ended up for John Do.

726
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,159
Speaker 15: A body was found in the alley, but never claim

727
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:01,960
full of bullet holes, with none in the blame. Vron

728
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:05,360
became another victim of hump side because he chose to

729
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,119
Walk on a wild Side.

730
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,159
Speaker 1: Okay, so of course Wahlberg sings all of the vocals

731
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,159
and heavily samples on Walk on the wild Side. Try

732
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:39,760
lou Read.

733
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 7: I kind of like that.

734
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,159
Speaker 1: I'm not much of a rap fand but I don't know,

735
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:49,039
I kind of like that. Maybe it's because I love

736
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:50,119
the lou Read sound.

737
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,639
Speaker 12: So I was gonna say, you could, you could? You

738
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,760
could read the phone book over that baseline.

739
00:52:54,920 --> 00:53:01,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, So people often confuse Matt day and with Mark Wahlberg,

740
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:07,280
and I know I do, because really you don't never No,

741
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,440
I think it's confusing. Because of that, they both agreed

742
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,360
that whenever someone thinks they're the other, they have to

743
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,519
be on their very best behavior so as to not

744
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,599
ruin either his reputation. Matt will even sign autographs Mark

745
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:24,639
Wahlberg and Mark will sign Matt damon some of the

746
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:25,559
things confused.

747
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 12: Really, yeah, I thought the class were confusing.

748
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: Some other things you might not know about in me

749
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:38,199
as a third nipple. Some movies have opted to digitally

750
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:44,719
airbrush it out, and I can't hear that. He had

751
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,920
tickets on Flight eleven on September eleventh, but the group

752
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:51,079
decided to attend a film festival in Canada before heading

753
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:53,840
back to la and chartered to Flight North instead.

754
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:54,639
Speaker 4: Wow.

755
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,039
Speaker 1: He started the Mark Wahlberg Youth Foundation because of his

756
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:03,440
troubled youth to give back to troubled kids. Mark Wahlberg

757
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:06,840
bought an eight million mansion Beverly Hills in two thousand

758
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,079
and nine and then spent five years perfecting it. It

759
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,360
is thirty thousand square feet and there's an indoor gym,

760
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:19,480
a home theater, a full basketball court, a putting green green,

761
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,559
and a water park.

762
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 6: Well of course in his house.

763
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,559
Speaker 4: Of course, at first, instead of putting Green. I thought

764
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:32,920
you said potting green and I got all excited.

765
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:43,599
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, me too, not inside the house, I don't

766
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:49,960
know about the outside. So yeah, he went from from

767
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:53,880
punk to wrap I mean punk in the old sense

768
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:03,440
thug these days, to rapper to model, oh, majorly successful

769
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:04,480
Hollywood star.

770
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:05,119
Speaker 4: Wow.

771
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, the whole pardon thing. I can see both sides.

772
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,159
But I'm like, you did it? So yeah, just because

773
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:16,239
you're famous, does it? I don't know? Yeah, you know,

774
00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:18,960
would your average Joe be able to get a pardon

775
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:19,199
for that?

776
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 16: No?

777
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 6: No, true?

778
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:26,639
Speaker 1: So so true? You know, as a Hollywood star, could

779
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:28,199
you maybe.

780
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,559
Speaker 6: Are you saying the rich and famous get special treatment?

781
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:33,559
Speaker 4: That?

782
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:39,119
Speaker 6: What I was trying to imply I kind of was, yeah,

783
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:40,840
therein lies the problem.

784
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 12: Yeah.

785
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 6: So but good choice and yeah, all right, cool. One

786
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:48,159
more to go.

787
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:49,079
Speaker 7: Here we go.

788
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 6: I am going to talk about Jeffrey Baxter, better known

789
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:59,079
as Skunk Baxter. He was born in nineteen forty eight

790
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:02,639
in Washington, DC. He has never disclosed where the Skunk

791
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,559
nickname has come from. He started on drums at age

792
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:10,039
eleven in a band called King Thunder and the Lightning Bolts,

793
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,840
which must now be stolen or resurrected, because that is

794
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:19,639
one of the funniest names, like a chest of condition. Okay,

795
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:23,000
King Thunder should come after the lightning bolt, then I

796
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:24,000
would think on.

797
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:28,079
Speaker 7: A Saturday Morning cartoon, right, yeah, it's.

798
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,639
Speaker 6: Like you know, and special guests Josie and the Pussycats like.

799
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 7: Yep.

800
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,599
Speaker 6: So in high school, Skunk worked in a Manhattan music

801
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:41,280
shop where he got to meet Jimmy Hendrix, and he

802
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,000
claims to have sat in on bass for a show

803
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:47,400
or two as Jimmy slowly became a front man member.

804
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,559
Jimmy played in bands and then wound up being upfront.

805
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,639
He studied journalism at Boston University, and while there he

806
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,039
worked in a music shop as a guitar tech and

807
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,639
amp repair man. He is very much a techy kind

808
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:02,280
of guy, as we will see in a little bit.

809
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,039
His road to fame started in nineteen sixty eight with

810
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:10,280
the psychedelic band Ultimate Spinach, which I had never heard of.

811
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,639
Speaker 1: I like that, Uh huh, Neil you know that.

812
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, of course Neil would know.

813
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:18,559
Speaker 1: I have surprised.

814
00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 6: I know, Neil's gonna jump in with more.

815
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 7: Facts on this one for no other reason just the name.

816
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:23,599
Speaker 6: Yeah.

817
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:24,559
Speaker 7: Yeah.

818
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,079
Speaker 6: So after that he moved to Los Angeles to find

819
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:30,880
session work, and there he became a founding member of

820
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,360
Steely Dan. He played the recognizable solo on their biggest hit,

821
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,360
Ricky Don't Lose that number. That is Skunk Backster playing that.

822
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,559
In nineteen seventy four, Steely Dan decided to change direction.

823
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,760
They stopped touring. They wanted to focus on using session

824
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,679
musicians and just recording in the studio. So Skunk jumped

825
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:54,280
over to the Doobie Brothers. Not too bad he While

826
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,440
he was there, the lead singer Tom Johnston was hospitalized

827
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,079
with a stomach issue. So Skunk recommends did Michael McDonald

828
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,960
and his distinct voice to come and fill in. And

829
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,119
it was such a good suggestion, and it worked out

830
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:09,079
so well that Michael McDonald got hired full time even

831
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:13,239
after Tom Johnston came back to the band. Skunk left

832
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:15,559
the Doobie Brothers in nineteen seventy nine and went on

833
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:19,320
to do way too many projects to list here. But

834
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:21,400
I did mention that he was a techi kind of

835
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,480
He is a techie kind of guy. He is still around,

836
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,719
very smart guy. He was interested in music recording technology,

837
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:30,320
which at this time was starting to evolve into the

838
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,119
digital domain, going from real to real into digital stuff.

839
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,719
So he became interested in the hardware and the software

840
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,800
that was being used, and specifically in data compression storing

841
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,320
large amounts of data in smaller volume, which is kind

842
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,480
of standard now with our iPhones and laptops, iPads, all

843
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,880
that stuff, squashing down a lot of information into a

844
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,199
smaller amount of data. The biggest user of this kind

845
00:58:56,239 --> 00:58:59,280
of tech was the military, and his next door neighbor

846
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,400
happened to be retired engineer who worked on the Sidewinder

847
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,280
missile program and hooked him up with some magazines and

848
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,760
journals on the topic of data compression and the missiles

849
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,159
and all that kind of stuff, and he got so

850
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:15,440
into it and so involved he took it upon himself

851
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:19,199
to write a five page paper on how the aegious

852
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,000
missiles could be converted from a ship based weapon into

853
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:27,320
a missile defense system. He submitted his paper to his

854
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:32,400
congressperson and then found himself to be the missile to

855
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:37,480
be the defense consultant with security clearances for his congressperson,

856
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:40,960
just because Wow sat down and decided to write a

857
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:43,880
five page paper on his own. Now I have sat

858
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,079
down and written four page papers on my own, but

859
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:48,079
I have never written a five page paper.

860
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 8: Just are you underachiever?

861
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,199
Speaker 4: I know, I know.

862
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:53,519
Speaker 12: So.

863
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 6: In nineteen ninety five, Skunk was nominated to chair the

864
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,760
Civilian Advisory Board for Ballistic Missile defen He worked on

865
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,960
contracts for the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency. He consulted for

866
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:10,559
the US Department of Defense and for several defense contractors.

867
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:13,719
Made a lot of money doing this, and in two

868
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,960
thousand and five he joined the NASA Exploration Systems Advisory Committee.

869
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:21,679
And the list goes on and on and on. Because

870
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:24,639
he was interested in all this and did his own

871
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:29,280
research and wrote his paper, he credits his way of

872
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,280
thinking for all these opportunities. So let me read you

873
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,760
a quote that he said in an interview. We thought

874
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,960
turntables were for playing records until rappers began to use

875
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:42,159
them as instruments. And we thought airplanes were for carrying

876
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:46,119
passengers until terrorists realized they could be used as missiles.

877
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,639
My big thing is to look excuse me, My big

878
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,840
thing is to look at existing technologies and try to

879
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,400
see other ways they can be used, which happens in

880
01:00:56,519 --> 01:00:59,599
music all the time and happens to be what terrorists

881
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:03,480
are inarably good at so I give him credit learning

882
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:06,159
about something and finding a new way to basically take

883
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:08,719
off the shelf technology and put it to use in

884
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:13,800
a new way. Now sharp left Turn. The Doobie Brothers

885
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:17,679
were on the sitcom What's Happening in nineteen seventy eight.

886
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,920
Do you guys remember the sitcom What's Happening? I caught

887
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,360
it in reruns as a kid. The show ran from

888
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,800
nineteen seventy six to nineteen seventy nine. It became more

889
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:34,519
popular afterwards in after school syndication hours your local TV stations.

890
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:36,239
A lot of times they would have like after school

891
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,280
program and then do sitcom reruns and then kind of

892
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,960
go into the evening news and game shows, that kind

893
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,840
of thing. That growing up, that's where I saw What's Happening.

894
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,719
It was on like in that after school kind of hours.

895
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:52,119
The show was based on a Black La neighborhood. The

896
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:56,000
main characters were Raj, Dwayne, and Freddie, known as Rerun.

897
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,840
Their high school was portrayed as the Doobie alma mater,

898
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,159
which made no sense because they're not the same age

899
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:06,519
and they were not from there. But the idea for

900
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,159
these episodes came from the band's publicist David Guest, who

901
01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:12,920
we would know now better is mister e Liza Minelli.

902
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:17,639
He's married to her. Oh but he did a great

903
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,360
job getting the band Exposures to new audiences because the

904
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,840
Doobie Brothers were not in the target demo. For anybody

905
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,920
watching What's Happening On the first run on the show,

906
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,639
one of the Doobie Brothers goes up to rerun and says, hey,

907
01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:35,599
glad you came back, and rerun said came back. I'm

908
01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:38,400
still here because he'd never left high school. He just

909
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:39,039
got left back.

910
01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:39,679
Speaker 13: So many times.

911
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:48,079
Speaker 6: They teach the cast about the bad side of bootlegging concerts,

912
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,280
kind of like a pre napster thing, you know. They

913
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,280
talked about how people would sneak in tape recorders and

914
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,920
take money away from these working musicians. It's a two

915
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,280
episode arc called Doobie or Not doo Be and it's

916
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,440
worth watching. Oh gosh, it's so tongue in cheek and

917
01:03:05,559 --> 01:03:11,599
so cheesy. It is the best line, the best it's hysterical.

918
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:13,920
The best line from the show is which doo Be

919
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:19,679
you be? Some of the Doobie Brothers who are still

920
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:21,760
around still get that people come up to them and

921
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:22,559
say which do be?

922
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:23,039
Speaker 11: You be?

923
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 6: And they just they just go with it. So back

924
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,119
to a little bit later. Skunk was also at the

925
01:03:32,199 --> 01:03:35,440
forefront of hearing protection, especially for rock musicians, Like at

926
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,079
the top of the show we listened to, you know,

927
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:41,800
monitor versus front of house kind of stuff. Well, when

928
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,519
he was up and coming, this was when you started

929
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:46,559
getting the wedge monitors on stage, which were super loud.

930
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:49,400
The concerts were super loud, your amps were super loud.

931
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:52,440
And he was one of the few that took steps

932
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,920
to protect his hearing. If you see videos of him,

933
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,239
he's wearing headphones, He's wearing hearing protection like you would

934
01:03:59,239 --> 01:04:01,840
wear at a gun rain while he's up on stage performing.

935
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,320
He was one of the very few to do that.

936
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,639
And in nineteen ninety three he actually did a TV

937
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,440
PSA about protecting your hearing, which I remember seeing, which

938
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,679
I thought was cool. So I had the audio from that.

939
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:13,679
Let's give this a listen.

940
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 17: You know, if you're like me, you listen to a

941
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,920
lot of rock music. But you know, constant exposure to

942
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,159
loud music can lead to permanent hearing loss, Like after

943
01:04:25,239 --> 01:04:28,079
a concert when everything sounds muffled and your ears are ringing,

944
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:31,679
just imagine if it always sounded like that. So protect

945
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:34,000
your hearing. My friends laughed at me for years for

946
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:37,800
wearing headphones on stage, but they're not laughing anymore. Rock

947
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,719
and roll is here to stay and make sure your

948
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:40,440
hearing is too.

949
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,199
Speaker 1: Sponsored by the Houseier Institute.

950
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:45,239
Speaker 6: I thought that was pretty cool.

951
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,119
Speaker 7: The more do you know, yeah, the more I didn't

952
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:49,440
hear it.

953
01:04:56,039 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 6: That's from your years of sitting behind the kit and

954
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:01,920
in front of all the ants. That's what happens. So yeah,

955
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,960
I thought that was cool. So you had a guitarist,

956
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:08,679
multi instrumentalist who goes to missile defense and hearing protection,

957
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and in all fairness, he never really gave up music.

958
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,159
He's still playing and he still plays every once in

959
01:05:14,199 --> 01:05:17,159
a while. But I would say that's a pretty big

960
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,599
switch to go into the missile defense business. Yeah, and

961
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,719
made a bunch of cash doing it. And I went

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01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,920
down the rabbit hole. Just last night. He did a

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01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:29,679
lecture series and I watched the whole lecture on YouTube

964
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,599
and problem solving and you're changing your way of thinking

965
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:35,039
and all that, and he's I can see why he

966
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:38,159
was hired as a consultant because kind of like Brian Cox,

967
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:41,239
he can kind of simplify things and explain it to

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01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,239
make it understandable. And he would also go into these

969
01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:50,639
what's that Neil, Yeah, yeah, I mean he even tells us,

970
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,440
He tells the stories of going into to these contractors thinking,

971
01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:56,679
you know, he walks in like a hippie, so they

972
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,480
they dumb it down for him and he goes, oh,

973
01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:03,480
and then he you know, sit so man, yeah, with

974
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:05,599
the delta V over the this and then and then

975
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:08,679
like they just go, we're gonna show you a different

976
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:13,159
presentation and then kind of change gears so good for him.

977
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,360
As far as songs, I went with the Doobie Brothers.

978
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,400
I went with the song Taking It to the Streets

979
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because Skunk plays on it. It features Michael McDonald's who

980
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:25,039
Skunk brought on board, and it's one of the songs

981
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:28,719
that they played on What's Happening. So let's give a listen.

982
01:06:34,320 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 3: M you don't know me, You telling me the things

983
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:13,000
about it do for me. I'm not know my.

984
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 10: Taking it to streets no money, take.

985
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:36,599
Speaker 9: This myselves to around you will find m.

986
01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:51,039
Speaker 3: Robert people in tucular Chi and finanties the spell.

987
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 4: My you telling me the things you wanted to for.

988
01:08:03,679 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 6: I don't.

989
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 3: Jussa take jus, who are you telling me the.

990
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:50,279
Speaker 4: Things you do?

991
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 3: Love me?

992
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:55,039
Speaker 13: I do.

993
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 6: Last, So I do suggest hopping on YouTube and watching

994
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:44,760
what's happening with the two episodes with with the Doobie Brothers.

995
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,600
I'm sure it's on there. If not, it's got to

996
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,359
be somewhere at least the clips of it. It's pretty funny,

997
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,960
it's pretty it's such a crossover, and the Doobies are

998
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:57,399
not actors, and you could say, and everybody's just feeling awkward,

999
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,880
and it's it's great, it really is. It's just it's perfect.

1000
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:06,800
So there you have it. Career switches, everybody had really

1001
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:12,560
interesting choices. We talk about sharp turn career switches, and

1002
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,439
none of these were because they had to you know,

1003
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,079
you see your stories that you know, all right, like

1004
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:20,479
their second album flopped and they got dropped by their

1005
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,159
label and they had to find something to make it.

1006
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:24,920
These were all by choice, which I thought.

1007
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:27,239
Speaker 8: Nobody had a horrid ketchup packets and eat.

1008
01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 6: Them for yeah exactly. I mean they may have, but

1009
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:36,479
not because they had to say yep, cool, all right,

1010
01:10:37,279 --> 01:10:39,920
No final thoughts from anybody before we pull the plug.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, good stuff.

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Speaker 6: We're all around cool. All right, good choices, Crambones. Thank

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you for all your hard work as always, and thank

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01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,319
you all for joining us here for the rock and

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Speaker 2: I'm come a rock, top, bottom and trum.

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