WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:03.319 Don't forget. Yeah, I was gonna say, Ryan, don't forget 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:03.759 to record. 3 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:09.800 Ask not what your country can do for you, ask 4 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:11.759 what you can do for your country. 5 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:16.320 Mister garbachaw tear down this wall. 6 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:20.120 It's the rickorchet Pond Gust with General C. W. Cook 7 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:24.160 and Stephen Awero Lyles. Today we're going to talk about Oh, 8 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:27.199 every thanks. So let's azel's a podcast. 9 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:37.240 My show had values and that that then what I 10 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:42.039 was doing. Head value, he value. And in the end, 11 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:44.079 I'm not I try not to cry on TV, and 12 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:45.439 I say this kind of like me on TV. 13 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:46.280 So I apologize. 14 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:49.759 Those are the things that I was taught were of God, 15 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:53.399 and so I'm not sorry. I'm just proud of my show. 16 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:57.320 Welcome everybody. It's the rickychet Pon Guest number seven hundred 17 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:00.640 and thirty. I'm James Lylyx in an over asked Gray 18 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:04.319 Moody Contemplative of Minneapolis, and I am joined by Gerald C. W. 19 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:08.439 Cook in sunny Splashed Florida and Stephen Hayward, who may 20 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:13.400 be in Riga or real or where do you happen 21 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:14.120 to be today? 22 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:16.760 I am sitting right now in John Hughes's office at 23 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:20.120 Berkeley Law school. I'm actually here teaching a short seminar 24 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.480 over the weekend with him and Richard Epstein, which means 25 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:24.680 I won't say anything, but that's okay. 26 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:30.280 Don't forget to smell the knobs with McDonald's McRib barbecue sauce. Gentlemen, 27 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:34.400 Today we are facing a world that is well, it 28 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:36.480 looks a lot like the one we had last Friday. 29 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:39.640 But there have been several media quakes, and of course 30 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:42.040 we all know how much we love to talk about 31 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:46.319 the media and castigated for its sins, imagined or real. 32 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:52.560 Where do we begin, Well, there's the Washington Post. Jeff 33 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:55.920 Bezos announced this week that he's going to refocus the 34 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.560 editorial page instead of doing the thing where you got 35 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:01.079 some syndicated columns all who are going to say things 36 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.760 that you know exactly what they are going to say. Uh, 37 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:05.280 he said, you know what, you can get that from 38 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:07.760 the internet. We're going to do something different. We're going 39 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:12.639 to crusade and Bezos. And of course this era of 40 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:16.800 of incipient fascism is concentrating on two things which ought 41 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:22.840 to really scare the Coulottes off anybody, and that's free 42 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:28.400 markets and personal liberty. And I know pearls clutched elsewhere 43 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:32.840 all over the newsroom. The editorial page editor of the 44 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:36.560 opinion page editor resigned after having been given such an 45 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:42.560 unfortunate edict marching orders. But it's really interesting that this 46 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.719 is the sort of thing that's now regarded as dog whistles, 47 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.080 you know, for this, for the for this, this this 48 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:53.680 night of horror, terror and UH and authoritarianism that is 49 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:58.800 enveloping us personal liberties and UH and UH and economic freedom. 50 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:01.199 What do you about this, guys? And how do you 51 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:04.439 put this in the context of the actual A Washington 52 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:07.280 Post itself, which used to be so tremendously important, and 53 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:11.000 b newspapers, media organizations in general. 54 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:15.680 Well, all right, I guess i'll start. You know, I 55 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:17.919 keep trying to go on a diet, but I'm getting 56 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:20.360 fat with all the extra popcorn. I'm having to pop 57 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.639 up right now for all these wonderful stories, I mean, 58 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.479 two opening thoughts, and then I'll be interested in what 59 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:30.120 Charles thinks of this. Amongst the rending of garments going 60 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:31.120 on I had. 61 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:32.280 And gnashing of teeth, and. 62 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:36.840 Right, I haven't seen anybody make the point or the 63 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:40.039 observation that Bezos chose to make the announcement to the 64 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.960 public on Twitter rather than through a press release of 65 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.479 the whatever. And of course that has to annoy everybody 66 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:50.400 because Twitter is now, you know, the node of fascism. Second, 67 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:52.520 and here's what I'll be interested in, Charles, what you think. 68 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:56.319 I thought the wording of one part of the message 69 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:59.680 was curious or interesting. It's what he said. We want 70 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.439 to change the focus to, you know, free markets and 71 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:06.360 individual liberty. I asked her very talented editor, David Shipley 72 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:09.639 to lead the effort, and then Bezos said this. I 73 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:12.080 think I've got this committed to memory. He said yeah, 74 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:14.400 And I told him if the answer wasn't hell, yes, 75 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:17.720 then the answer in fact was no. And so David 76 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:19.800 has chosen to leave. But I thought that was an 77 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:23.199 interesting way of putting it. It sounds kind of like an ultimatum. 78 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.920 Maybe Bezos didn't think so, but I thought that post 79 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:29.319 facto really kind of put Shipley in a box that 80 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.000 I think that's a little Maybe he intended to be 81 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.439 a little twist of the knife to the editorial staff 82 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:36.759 of the paper. I'm not sure, but I that jumped 83 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:38.639 out at me. Charles. I don't know if something if 84 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:40.439 it jumped out at you or maybe something else caught 85 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:40.800 your eye. 86 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:43.480 Well, you know what's funny about that, was he says 87 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.800 in this missive as you note that he had told 88 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:49.920 him that if his answer wasn't hell yes, then it 89 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.680 was in effect no. And then he says, Shipley went 90 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:55.600 away to think about it, right, which is such a 91 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.879 great juxtaposition. Is your answer hell yes? I need to 92 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:02.360 think about it. It's also funny because when I was 93 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:04.879 offered the chance to be the editor of In Our 94 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:08.519 Own twenty fifteen, I was at breakfast with rich and 95 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.000 my first words were literally. 96 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:11.040 Hell yes. 97 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:16.519 So I think the Bezos is into something good here, 98 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:20.319 which is the understanding that I'll go away and think 99 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:22.160 about it is probably not what you need when you 100 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:28.079 want enthusiasm from your editor. What I find most interesting 101 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:32.360 about this is the response, which seems to me to 102 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:37.079 be of a piece with a general progressive conception of 103 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:42.680 the people who own or use services as being there 104 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:46.639 to pay progressives to advance their agenda and then shut up. 105 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.199 Jeff Bezols owns the Washington Post. You might not like that, 106 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:55.800 but he does. It's not too long ago that we 107 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:59.839 were being told that the ownership of various social media 108 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:02.879 was protected by the First Amendment, which it is that 109 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:06.120 the federal government had no business interfering, which it didn't, 110 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.199 and that if you wanted to change those institutions, you 111 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:11.680 had to build your own build your own Twitter, build 112 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.600 your own Facebook, well, build your own Washington Post. It's 113 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:16.920 owned by Jeff Bezos. He gets to do what he 114 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:20.519 likes with it, and it is ridiculous to suggest that 115 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:22.480 he has no say or should have no say over 116 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:26.279 its direction. I used the analogy when talking about this 117 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:30.040 yesterday of the Virginia public school system. Bezos reminded me 118 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.199 of Terry mccauliffe when he said, you don't get to 119 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.680 determine what your kids are taught. You don't get to 120 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.680 have a say over the curriculum. That's the preserve of 121 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.120 experts who know better than you do. Okay, So what 122 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:43.279 is the point of the parents then? Is it just 123 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:45.399 to write the checks and provide the children and then 124 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.959 go away. Jeff Bezos isn't going to lose one hundred 125 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.879 million dollars a year forever on this newspaper. He's going 126 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:52.519 to at some point want to have some say over it. 127 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:56.240 It's just unbelievable entitlement. So I found that the most 128 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:58.199 interesting thing is that the people who work they are 129 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:01.680 still not worked out. That, Yeah, you can criticize the 130 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:04.000 way newspapers are run, but it is his newspaper. 131 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:08.319 Yeah. I think all add a thought, James, that I 132 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.240 think beyond the sense of entitlement that you see amongst 133 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:13.120 people on the left in so many places and in 134 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:16.920 so many ways, there's a deeper through line. And I 135 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:20.800 guess partly, you know, my background academically is in political philosophy, 136 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:22.560 so I run to mom at moments like this. But 137 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:24.839 I've long thought that the real problem, at the end 138 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:28.480 of the day is the progressive philosophy that manifests itself 139 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:31.759 in that favor cliche of Obama and others. The side 140 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:35.519 of history, right, I mean, if you think that if 141 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.680 your fundamental premise, usually unreflective and not really grounded the 142 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.040 way say Hegel did, is that you're on the side 143 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:43.759 of history. You represent the vanguard of all those good 144 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.680 and true and beautiful. You don't have to think very hard, 145 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.279 makes your life easy. And when somebody comes along, whether 146 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:52.879 it's Donald Trump or Ronald Reagan, or Georgia Maloney in 147 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:56.120 Italy or Jeff Bezos buying the paper, and they say, 148 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:59.439 we think something different. They can't cope. I mean it 149 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:02.199 just it does get to the core of their almost 150 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:05.399 theological being. I'll put it that way. Maybe listeners will 151 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:08.879 think that's too recondite an abstract, but I can trace 152 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:10.399 that out at some length, and some day maybe I 153 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:12.680 should write a book on this. I don't know well. 154 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:16.120 A a theological basis that is not theological at all 155 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:19.240 and has place to actual theology. The moral arc of history, 156 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:21.639 which of course bends very slow, as we know, and 157 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:25.199 is destined to end up where the progressives wanted to 158 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.480 be began with the Enlightenment and the dethronement of various 159 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:30.800 ideas which they believe it held mankind back. And so 160 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:34.480 over the centuries we have seen the continual refinement of 161 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.039 the human being and his institutions, until more and more 162 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.320 liberty are granted to more and more people, the franchise 163 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:42.879 is extended, ideas become more broad minded, et cetera, et cetera. 164 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:44.799 And we can argue about the Enlightenment, but I tend 165 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:49.360 to think that generally, yes, the idea that societies become 166 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:52.279 more free, that people are granted the franchise, that there 167 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:54.440 is equality. These are all good things and these are 168 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.960 advancements in human civilization. However, that does not necessarily mean 169 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:02.080 that the the end result of this is supposed to 170 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:07.279 be technicocratic rule by transhumanists who believe that they've come 171 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.000 up with a completely new paradigm that dumps everything we've 172 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.320 known before in favor of a brave. 173 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:13.120 Bold, new world. 174 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:17.919 And over the last twenty years, I've seen myself how 175 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.960 the Democratic Party has shifted to the left and embraced 176 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:25.480 ideas with a wholehearted passion that would have horrified people 177 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.240 well like myself, and did horrify people like myself. Do 178 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:30.519 we end up where we are today. We have some 179 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.519 very curious people with some very curious ideas who also 180 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.559 have the state, I hate to say the deep state, 181 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:43.080 but this governmental ngeo technicorette rule blob, which is supposed 182 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:45.759 to do the good work and is supposed to tug 183 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.399 that arc of history where it ought to be. And 184 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:51.279 that's one of the things you're finding at the Washington 185 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.559 Post with people screaming as they are. When I worked 186 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:57.600 in Washington, DC in a news bureau, of course, the 187 00:09:57.639 --> 00:09:59.720 gold standard was always to go work at the Washington 188 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:02.399 Post because that would be perfect. They had money, Galore, 189 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:05.279 you'd have a job forever. I mean, the Post was it, 190 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:08.480 and the Post was it in the sense that it 191 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:13.200 was a great company town paper. It was thick, it 192 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:15.600 was well written, it was interesting, but it was a 193 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:17.679 company town paper. It told you what you needed to 194 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:21.200 know about, you know, living in trantor everybody I knew 195 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.279 in the bureau was who was married, was married to 196 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:27.159 somebody else who was in the blob. My wife worked 197 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:31.600 for Justice. Somebody who was a beat reporter on Alabama 198 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:34.600 or something, you know, might be dating somebody from the 199 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:38.159 Chlorine Institute. I mean, we were all, as soon as 200 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:41.120 we got there, fitted neatly into these slots where we 201 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:42.960 would do the reporting and they would do the lobbying 202 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:44.720 and this other group would do all the money spending 203 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:46.519 and the rest of it. And it all went on 204 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:48.960 for so long, and everybody thought that we were all 205 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:51.960 doing such good things. Until today you open Twitter and 206 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:55.080 you find there's a controversy because my god, the end 207 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:58.919 of the USAID money has meant that the only transgender 208 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:03.679 medicine clinic in India has closed down. Now, when you 209 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.840 pair that with hegss's decision to keep to not to 210 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:10.519 kick everybody transgender out of the military. You have a 211 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:18.159 real shift in the way people are thinking, or tell 212 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:21.399 me this, do you think we have an assertion or 213 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:25.879 reassertion of why the most people actually think, and that 214 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:30.559 this silent group is finally saying, now, we're not going 215 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.039 to do this, We are not going to pay for this. 216 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.639 We don't actually should not have people who have these 217 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:40.559 gender issues in the military. And it's stunning to the 218 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:42.200 people who believe that the moral arch of history was 219 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:46.000 supposed to deposit them at the place where you know, 220 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:51.320 the transgender president was probably two three elections off. There 221 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:53.240 wasn't a question at all. That was just a ranting 222 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:53.759 a statement. 223 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.039 Well, I mean, it does look like they're doubling down 224 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:00.879 on a lot of this right you had, is it? 225 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:04.399 Who's the governor of Wisconsin. I'm forgetting his name already, 226 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:07.000 but he is putting in a state law to change 227 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:13.399 mothers to uh yeah, pregnant evidence than Charles though. It 228 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:15.960 is so ridiculous you can't believe it. And you know 229 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.080 the polls on this show, this is not a seventy 230 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.720 thirty issue. It's an eighty twenty issue. You know, trans 231 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:23.159 men and women's sports and things like that. And but 232 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:26.320 they want to go down guns blazing with this. It is, uh, 233 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:27.039 it is amazing. 234 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:32.120 Yeah, inseminated persons is such a dehumanizing term, and I 235 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:37.679 mean it's it's it's stunning, it really is. So. Yes, 236 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:43.120 the other media quake that we had this week, you 237 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:44.039 know what's coming, don't you? 238 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:47.840 Ah Joy read the readout. 239 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:51.679 Got canceled is part of an ongoing what let's charitably 240 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:56.679 call right sizing at MSNBC. Rachel Mattall lost a bunch 241 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:58.919 of people in their staff. Thirty people in their staff. 242 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.600 What are the one person for each million dollars she 243 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:03.399 makes each year? 244 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:05.480 I know, I think she makes twenty five million. Now 245 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:06.440 I think she got a haircut. 246 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:08.480 Now I went from thirty five to thirty. 247 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:11.159 Oh I see, okay, so one million for each And 248 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.200 I'm not exactly sure what these people do. But these 249 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:14.840 are not people in the booth, These are not people 250 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:16.799 pointing the camera, These are not people who are loading 251 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:22.559 up the teleproject thirty What does she need thirty people 252 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.759 to do? Exactly? And why not take some of that 253 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:29.399 thirty million dollars and toss it? Joy's way to help 254 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.679 her get under feet Maydock came out and said that 255 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:36.240 this was part of a very disturbing trend at her employer, 256 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:39.639 because they have also fired other people who qualify under 257 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.000 the diversity of entner. And I tend to think that 258 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:47.600 it probably is. And I know this may seem preposterous, 259 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:50.440 but it's entirely possible that those people were not making 260 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:55.480 enough money for the company to justify the continuance of 261 00:13:55.519 --> 00:14:00.200 their show. But if you believe that networks exist, to you, 262 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:02.120 it was a public service that they're supposed to, that 263 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:06.320 they are obligated to do to put on these shows, 264 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:09.240 and that profit is just one of those bygone notions 265 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:12.759 to which we should not subscribe. I suppose, yes, you 266 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:16.799 would be appalled at this restriction again for a free speech. 267 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:21.399 So can I just quickly say, James, that I incorrectly 268 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:25.000 corrected your correction of my interruption. It is twenty five million? 269 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:27.679 I was, thank you. This is typical of my inability 270 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:28.200 to do math. 271 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:28.759 So I'm wrong. 272 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:29.440 James's right. 273 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:31.679 Okay, let me let the record show that I knew 274 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:33.600 that I was correct and how much that Rachel. 275 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:40.759 There's a famous one sentence critique of liberalism from many 276 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.519 decades ago that said the problem with liberalism is will 277 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:48.840 end up being the joyless quest for joy. I immediately 278 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:51.120 thought of that line, you know, the joyless quest for 279 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:53.759 the very joyless joy read right. I think the obvious 280 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.440 answer here is that she needs to join the View. 281 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:59.919 That would really complete the ensemble. I think if she joined, 282 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.759 of you who knows that might not be such a joke, 283 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:03.600 it may well happen. 284 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:07.720 Does anybody watch that show? I mean, does anybody who 285 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:10.879 exactly watches that show? Because it really is as pleasant 286 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.799 as an hour of the of the characters from like 287 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:15.039 Beth around the Cauldron. 288 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.200 It just yeah, I think it. I think it does 289 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:18.919 big ratings. I haven't checked for a long time, but 290 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:20.799 I think it does big ratings and actually makes money 291 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.279 for ABC. But James are not far away. I mean, 292 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:26.360 you know, the next step is going to be renewed 293 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:29.559 calls from the left to have state funded media. They've 294 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:32.039 already been calling for that for you know, local newspapers 295 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:34.120 and things like that, and I'd say, we already have NPR. 296 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:35.639 What do we need more state funded media? 297 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:40.120 For James, you inter reflect on your gendered language and 298 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:43.639 do the work and do better. I mean, comparing the 299 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:51.159 ladies of the View to whiches oh, James, that's very helpful. 300 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:55.120 When it comes to doing the work, doing better, reading 301 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:58.480 a book, reading the room. If you would like to 302 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:00.679 play the tape back, Charles, you will notice that I 303 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.519 did not refer to witches. I referred to characters from Macbeth. 304 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:05.159 Around the cauldron. 305 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:08.159 You said around the cauldron could be anybody. It could 306 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:12.000 be a deleted scene from Macbeth. It could be you know, 307 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.799 orson Well's brilliant version of it in which he casts 308 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.879 three warlocks. So don't give me that, mister Joe. 309 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:22.960 And I tell you what annoys me about Joy Reid. 310 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:26.799 The Joy Reid firing has been met predictably with accusations 311 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:32.480 of racism, including from ratro Matter. Also with the presumption 312 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.399 that this is some sort of political move, maybe it 313 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:39.519 shifts MSNBC to the right or. 314 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:39.960 What you were. 315 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.039 Joy Reid was not on that spectrum. 316 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:44.200 She was crazy. 317 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:48.679 This is not a left versus right thing. This is 318 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:53.480 not whether we're gonna have networks that are friendlier or 319 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:57.399 more hostile toward the Republican Party or Trump or Conservatism, 320 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:01.559 or that have different views on Bernie Sanders or Josh 321 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:07.279 Shapiro or you will. Joy read is a lunatic. There 322 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.079 is something wrong with her. There was something wrong with 323 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:13.839 her on her show. There was something wrong with her 324 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:17.599 on their Instagram and TikTok videos that she made from 325 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:22.119 her house. She does not have a firm grasp on reality. 326 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.119 She does not know what America is like. She doesn't 327 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:29.759 know why things are happened. She is ensconced in the 328 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.279 extended Rachel Maddow universe, and. 329 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:35.319 It it has. 330 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.519 To have grated eventually on the executives that run the network, 331 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:41.960 who are running out of money. Again, this is not 332 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:45.319 about what color her skin is or what her political 333 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.799 outlook was. There is plenty of room in this country 334 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:52.039 for people who profoundly disagree with me and us and 335 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.000 your median Ricochet user. There are tens of millions of 336 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:59.000 those people. But Joy Reid is out of her mind. 337 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:01.799 I've been on TV before with Joy Reid. I know 338 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:06.759 this personally. That's why she eventually got fired, because she 339 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:10.759 was a total liability. It's bad enough not being able 340 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:13.960 to describe politics in the country you live in when 341 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:16.200 your job is to describe politics in the country you 342 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.799 live in when the president is a Democrat, but when 343 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:23.200 everything that you had said about that person and everything 344 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:25.920 that you had anticipated happening in the election turns out 345 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.839 to be wrong because you are a lunatic, then you 346 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.319 are no longer useful on a politics show. I just 347 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:33.640 think this is the most obvious explanation of why she 348 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:36.160 was canned. And I know people aren't going to write 349 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:37.960 this in the New York Times, but maybe they should. 350 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:40.079 Maybe that would actually be good for the left for once, 351 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:43.079 instead of constructing a bigger suicide machine. If they said, 352 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:46.000 you know what, that guy's crazy. We just don't want 353 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:47.000 to hang out with him anymore. 354 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:50.240 I don't think they may be constructing a bigger suicide machine, 355 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.440 but it's certainly getting more streamlined. It's no Rube Goldberg 356 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:56.279 enterprise anymore, where there's lots of moving parts and the 357 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.359 result is indistinct. There is a very streamline procedure now 358 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:01.839 when it comes to defending Joy Reid, when it comes 359 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:04.200 to inseminated person, when it comes to this, that and 360 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:08.680 the other, to committing political and party suicide by continuing 361 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:10.279 to push things that people don't like. 362 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:17.000 I'm Greg Corumbus. 363 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:20.039 Join Jim Garrity of National Review and me each weekday 364 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:22.759 for the three Martini Lunch Podcast. We'll give you the good, 365 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.200 bad and crazy news of the day, and lots of 366 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:28.240 laughs too. Find us right here on the Ricochet Audio 367 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:36.119 Network at ricochet dot com or wherever you get your podcasts. 368 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:38.720 One more thing in the media before we go, and 369 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:41.920 that is Jake Tapper has written a book about the 370 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:46.319 cabal of people who conspired to keep Joe Biden's infirmities 371 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:49.599 from the American public. It's almost his if I did it, 372 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:52.319 it's very strange, and I do not know if I 373 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:55.640 don't know if he really expected that he was going 374 00:19:55.720 --> 00:20:00.119 to get the reaction that he did. It is remark 375 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:02.039 to me that he would sign on for a project 376 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:05.920 like this not realizing that everything that he had said 377 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.359 before about Joe. Oh it's a stutter. Oh it's this, 378 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.359 you know. He's he's actually in the back room with 379 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.000 Spot playing three dchs that that people were going to say, 380 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:17.519 wait a minute, Jake is on this book. 381 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:22.079 Well, I have a theory about this. It's only a hunch, 382 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:24.599 you know. His co author for the book is Alex 383 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:27.839 Thompson from Axios, and he did write a few pieces, 384 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:30.839 I think before the election, doing some of the earliest 385 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:33.279 reporting that in fact, there are problems in the Biden 386 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:34.960 White House and that he can't do his job, and 387 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:38.079 he was one of the few who ventured into that territory. 388 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:39.960 I have a hunch that he's the bulk of the 389 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.200 reporting in this book, but the publisher probably wanted a 390 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:44.799 big name because who's you know, most people don't know 391 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:48.400 Alex Thompson, but they know Jake Tapper, And that's one possibility, 392 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.359 I think. But the other one is this book and 393 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:53.799 the flood that no doubt coming are all certain to 394 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:56.119 absolve the media from any blame in all this, right, 395 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:58.640 I mean, you know the who covered it up? Well, 396 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:00.960 you know, I thought the media's job was exposing cover ups. 397 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:04.039 That's the credo number one ever since Watergate, Right, So 398 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:06.480 you know, we'll wait and see what they say. I'll 399 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:08.559 bet they're not even done writing the book the what 400 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:11.400 it's a May twenty publication date, and I think they're 401 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:13.519