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Speaker 2: Ask not what your country can do for you, ask

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Speaker 3: Mister garbachaw tear down this wall.

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Speaker 4: It's the rickorchet Pond Gust with General C. W. Cook

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and Stephen Awero Lyles. Today we're going to talk about Oh,

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Speaker 5: My show had values and that that then what I

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Speaker 6: So I apologize.

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Speaker 5: Those are the things that I was taught were of God,

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and so I'm not sorry. I'm just proud of my show.

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Speaker 4: Welcome everybody. It's the rickychet Pon Guest number seven hundred

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and thirty. I'm James Lylyx in an over asked Gray

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Moody Contemplative of Minneapolis, and I am joined by Gerald C. W.

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be in Riga or real or where do you happen

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Speaker 1: I am sitting right now in John Hughes's office at

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Berkeley Law school. I'm actually here teaching a short seminar

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Speaker 4: Don't forget to smell the knobs with McDonald's McRib barbecue sauce. Gentlemen,

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Today we are facing a world that is well, it

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looks a lot like the one we had last Friday.

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the media and castigated for its sins, imagined or real.

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Where do we begin, Well, there's the Washington Post. Jeff

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Bezos announced this week that he's going to refocus the

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editorial page instead of doing the thing where you got

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some syndicated columns all who are going to say things

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that you know exactly what they are going to say. Uh,

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he said, you know what, you can get that from

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the internet. We're going to do something different. We're going

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to crusade and Bezos. And of course this era of

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of incipient fascism is concentrating on two things which ought

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to really scare the Coulottes off anybody, and that's free

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markets and personal liberty. And I know pearls clutched elsewhere

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all over the newsroom. The editorial page editor of the

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opinion page editor resigned after having been given such an

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unfortunate edict marching orders. But it's really interesting that this

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you know, for this, for the for this, this this

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night of horror, terror and UH and authoritarianism that is

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What do you about this, guys? And how do you

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Speaker 1: Well, all right, I guess i'll start. You know, I

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up right now for all these wonderful stories, I mean,

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two opening thoughts, and then I'll be interested in what

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Speaker 1: Right, I haven't seen anybody make the point or the

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observation that Bezos chose to make the announcement to the

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public on Twitter rather than through a press release of

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the whatever. And of course that has to annoy everybody

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and here's what I'll be interested in, Charles, what you think.

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I thought the wording of one part of the message

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individual liberty. I asked her very talented editor, David Shipley

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to lead the effort, and then Bezos said this. I

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which is the understanding that I'll go away and think

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be of a piece with a general progressive conception of

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the people who own or use services as being there

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to pay progressives to advance their agenda and then shut up.

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likes with it, and it is ridiculous to suggest that

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yesterday of the Virginia public school system. Bezos reminded me

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of Terry mccauliffe when he said, you don't get to

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experts who know better than you do. Okay, So what

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to write the checks and provide the children and then

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million dollars a year forever on this newspaper. He's going

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think all add a thought, James, that I

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think beyond the sense of entitlement that you see amongst

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in that favor cliche of Obama and others. The side

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your fundamental premise, usually unreflective and not really grounded the

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of history. You represent the vanguard of all those good

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Italy or Jeff Bezos buying the paper, and they say,

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we think something different. They can't cope. I mean it

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theological being. I'll put it that way. Maybe listeners will

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think that's too recondite an abstract, but I can trace

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that out at some length, and some day maybe I

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and has place to actual theology. The moral arc of history,

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which of course bends very slow, as we know, and

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is destined to end up where the progressives wanted to

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be began with the Enlightenment and the dethronement of various

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ideas which they believe it held mankind back. And so

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over the centuries we have seen the continual refinement of

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the human being and his institutions, until more and more

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liberty are granted to more and more people, the franchise

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more free, that people are granted the franchise, that there

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is equality. These are all good things and these are

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advancements in human civilization. However, that does not necessarily mean

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up with a completely new paradigm that dumps everything we've

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known before in favor of a brave.

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Speaker 1: Bold, new world.

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the Democratic Party has shifted to the left and embraced

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but this governmental ngeo technicorette rule blob, which is supposed

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doing such good things. Until today you open Twitter and

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you find there's a controversy because my god, the end

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of the USAID money has meant that the only transgender

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medicine clinic in India has closed down. Now, when you

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pair that with hegss's decision to keep to not to

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kick everybody transgender out of the military. You have a

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reassertion of why the most people actually think, and that

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this silent group is finally saying, now, we're not going

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people who believe that the moral arch of history was

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the transgender president was probably two three elections off. There

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it does look like they're doubling down

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Who's the governor of Wisconsin. I'm forgetting his name already,

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mothers to uh yeah, pregnant evidence than Charles though. It

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is so ridiculous you can't believe it. And you know

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the polls on this show, this is not a seventy

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Speaker 4: Got canceled is part of an ongoing what let's charitably

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call right sizing at MSNBC. Rachel Mattall lost a bunch

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of people in their staff. Thirty people in their staff.

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Speaker 7: What are the one person for each million dollars she

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makes each year?

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Speaker 4: I know, I think she makes twenty five million. Now

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I think she got a haircut.

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Speaker 7: Now I went from thirty five to thirty.

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Speaker 4: Oh I see, okay, so one million for each And

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I'm not exactly sure what these people do. But these

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are not people in the booth, These are not people

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pointing the camera, These are not people who are loading

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up the teleproject thirty What does she need thirty people

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to do? Exactly? And why not take some of that

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thirty million dollars and toss it? Joy's way to help

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her get under feet Maydock came out and said that

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this was part of a very disturbing trend at her employer,

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because they have also fired other people who qualify under

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the diversity of entner. And I tend to think that

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it probably is. And I know this may seem preposterous,

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but it's entirely possible that those people were not making

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enough money for the company to justify the continuance of

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their show. But if you believe that networks exist, to you,

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it was a public service that they're supposed to, that

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they are obligated to do to put on these shows,

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and that profit is just one of those bygone notions

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to which we should not subscribe. I suppose, yes, you

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would be appalled at this restriction again for a free speech.

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Speaker 7: So can I just quickly say, James, that I incorrectly

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corrected your correction of my interruption. It is twenty five million?

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I was, thank you. This is typical of my inability

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to do math.

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Speaker 1: So I'm wrong.

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Speaker 7: James's right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let me let the record show that I knew

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that I was correct and how much that Rachel.

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Speaker 1: There's a famous one sentence critique of liberalism from many

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decades ago that said the problem with liberalism is will

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end up being the joyless quest for joy. I immediately

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thought of that line, you know, the joyless quest for

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the very joyless joy read right. I think the obvious

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answer here is that she needs to join the View.

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That would really complete the ensemble. I think if she joined,

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of you who knows that might not be such a joke,

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it may well happen.

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Speaker 4: Does anybody watch that show? I mean, does anybody who

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exactly watches that show? Because it really is as pleasant

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as an hour of the of the characters from like

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Beth around the Cauldron.

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Speaker 1: It just yeah, I think it. I think it does

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big ratings. I haven't checked for a long time, but

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I think it does big ratings and actually makes money

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for ABC. But James are not far away. I mean,

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you know, the next step is going to be renewed

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calls from the left to have state funded media. They've

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already been calling for that for you know, local newspapers

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and things like that, and I'd say, we already have NPR.

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What do we need more state funded media?

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Speaker 7: For James, you inter reflect on your gendered language and

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do the work and do better. I mean, comparing the

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ladies of the View to whiches oh, James, that's very helpful.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to doing the work, doing better, reading

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a book, reading the room. If you would like to

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play the tape back, Charles, you will notice that I

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did not refer to witches. I referred to characters from Macbeth.

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Speaker 7: Around the cauldron.

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Speaker 4: You said around the cauldron could be anybody. It could

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be a deleted scene from Macbeth. It could be you know,

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orson Well's brilliant version of it in which he casts

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three warlocks. So don't give me that, mister Joe.

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Speaker 7: And I tell you what annoys me about Joy Reid.

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The Joy Reid firing has been met predictably with accusations

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of racism, including from ratro Matter. Also with the presumption

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that this is some sort of political move, maybe it

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shifts MSNBC to the right or.

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Speaker 4: What you were.

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Speaker 7: Joy Reid was not on that spectrum.

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Speaker 1: She was crazy.

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Speaker 7: This is not a left versus right thing. This is

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not whether we're gonna have networks that are friendlier or

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more hostile toward the Republican Party or Trump or Conservatism,

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or that have different views on Bernie Sanders or Josh

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Shapiro or you will. Joy read is a lunatic. There

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is something wrong with her. There was something wrong with

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her on her show. There was something wrong with her

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on their Instagram and TikTok videos that she made from

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her house. She does not have a firm grasp on reality.

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She does not know what America is like. She doesn't

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know why things are happened. She is ensconced in the

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extended Rachel Maddow universe, and.

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Speaker 4: It it has.

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Speaker 7: To have grated eventually on the executives that run the network,

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who are running out of money. Again, this is not

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about what color her skin is or what her political

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outlook was. There is plenty of room in this country

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for people who profoundly disagree with me and us and

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your median Ricochet user. There are tens of millions of

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those people. But Joy Reid is out of her mind.

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I've been on TV before with Joy Reid. I know

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this personally. That's why she eventually got fired, because she

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was a total liability. It's bad enough not being able

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to describe politics in the country you live in when

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your job is to describe politics in the country you

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live in when the president is a Democrat, but when

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everything that you had said about that person and everything

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that you had anticipated happening in the election turns out

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to be wrong because you are a lunatic, then you

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are no longer useful on a politics show. I just

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think this is the most obvious explanation of why she

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was canned. And I know people aren't going to write

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this in the New York Times, but maybe they should.

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Maybe that would actually be good for the left for once,

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instead of constructing a bigger suicide machine. If they said,

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you know what, that guy's crazy. We just don't want

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to hang out with him anymore.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they may be constructing a bigger suicide machine,

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but it's certainly getting more streamlined. It's no Rube Goldberg

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enterprise anymore, where there's lots of moving parts and the

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result is indistinct. There is a very streamline procedure now

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when it comes to defending Joy Reid, when it comes

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to inseminated person, when it comes to this, that and

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the other, to committing political and party suicide by continuing

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to push things that people don't like.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Corumbus.

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Speaker 4: One more thing in the media before we go, and

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that is Jake Tapper has written a book about the

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cabal of people who conspired to keep Joe Biden's infirmities

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from the American public. It's almost his if I did it,

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it's very strange, and I do not know if I

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don't know if he really expected that he was going

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to get the reaction that he did. It is remark

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to me that he would sign on for a project

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like this not realizing that everything that he had said

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before about Joe. Oh it's a stutter. Oh it's this,

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you know. He's he's actually in the back room with

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Spot playing three dchs that that people were going to say,

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wait a minute, Jake is on this book.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have a theory about this. It's only a hunch,

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you know. His co author for the book is Alex

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Thompson from Axios, and he did write a few pieces,

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I think before the election, doing some of the earliest

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reporting that in fact, there are problems in the Biden

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White House and that he can't do his job, and

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he was one of the few who ventured into that territory.

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I have a hunch that he's the bulk of the

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reporting in this book, but the publisher probably wanted a

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big name because who's you know, most people don't know

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Alex Thompson, but they know Jake Tapper, And that's one possibility,

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I think. But the other one is this book and

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the flood that no doubt coming are all certain to

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absolve the media from any blame in all this, right,

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I mean, you know the who covered it up? Well,

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you know, I thought the media's job was exposing cover ups.

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That's the credo number one ever since Watergate, Right, So

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you know, we'll wait and see what they say. I'll

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bet they're not even done writing the book the what

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it's a May twenty publication date, and I think they're

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trying to pre mup the field and be first out.

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And so, as Trump likes to say, we'll just have

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to see what happens. But I'm not expecting very much

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self reflection, Charles.

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Speaker 7: I will defend Alex Thompson to the hilt because he

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wrote over and over again about Joe Biden's problems, and

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we shouted out for it. Then when Joe Biden was

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thrown aside, he was the only mainstream journalist that I

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could find. Maybe Annie Lynsky was another who would ask

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questions of Harris. If you read Thompson every day, he

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would say, I reached out to the Harris campaign to

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us why she changed her mind about creating a new

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breed of ponies using the bones of children, And he

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was say, she's just not answering these questions. And then

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he would write down what she had thought before, and

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then he would write down what she said she thought now,

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and he would know that it was mighty strange that

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there'd been no explanation for the shift. So I think

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he deserves to write this book. I don't think anyone

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else does. And I suspect what's happened here is that

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the advance on a book like this, if Jake Tapper's

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name is attached this five times the size and the

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chance of it becoming a best seller and the contents

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being read by hundreds of thousands of people is much

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higher because Jake Tapper has a really solid platform, and

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that Alex Thompson thought, okay, I will take that deal,

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and I can't entirely blame him for it. No, the

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phenomenon in general of the media now reporting on the

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thing that it did is infuriating, and it reminds me

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of nothing more than the twenty seventeen tax cuts that

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Donald Trump and the Republican Congress pass, which were lied

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about assiduously day in day out, including and especially by

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the New York Times. And then in twenty nineteen, the

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New York Times had the temerity to run a piece

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the title of which was face it, you probably got

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a tax cut. The first paragraph of that piece said,

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there's widespread misapprehension about what the tax cuts did. Most

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people don't know what they did. Many people think that

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their taxes went up, Yes, because you told them that

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for two years. Well, why do you think the media

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has to write books now about the cover up of

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Joe Biden's sinility is because it's spent four years covering

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it up. And here's the thing. They say, Well, we

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didn't know. And I'm sure some of that's true. The

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White House did engage in some shenanigans. I'm sure there

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is some extent to which they didn't know everything. But

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here's the problem. I was one of the people who

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repeatedly said Joe Biden's too old, a position that was

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shared by eighty percent of the American public, and we

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were called names. So even if you don't know everything

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about it, even if some bits are off the record,

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or you don't want to go out that a problem

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they didn't have during Russia Gate. But they don't want

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to go out there on a limb. They shouted at us.

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They said that we were being mean to a man

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with a stutter, that we were falling for cheap fakes,

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that we were partisan, and go to hell. Guys, you

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can't now write books on this. But I will exclude

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Alex Thompson from my criticism because he actually was right

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from the beginning pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Do you know, James, this is what happens when you

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give Charlie a week off. He comes back with the

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full fire and brimstone. And I like it.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I love it too, plenty of plenty of vinegar.

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And he's right, that's just it. And you know the

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thing is that they won't be called out on this

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because to call them out would be to call themselves out.

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have alternative medias. And when they said that, when you

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say charter that they were shouting at us, I mean

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shout all you like. They don't have the megaphone in

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the reach that they used to and they can't set

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the debate and the tone that they used to. I have,

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you know, adjusted my new use consumption habits over the

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past couple of years to the extent where you know,

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I get it from X. And people just WinCE when

477
00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:09,359
you say that, because oh, that's what you mean. You're

478
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you're trapped in your own little bubble, your own little

479
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,079
non contiguous information stream. No, no, no, I'd subscribe to

480
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,640
a wide variety of voices that bring a wide variety

481
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of things on it. I have the fulminating of the

482
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left end of the fulminating the right. But there's a

483
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,839
lot of good sourced stuff in there that either goes

484
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to a primary source which is trustworthy, or itself is

485
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:32,720
an interesting source that did not exist six months ago.

486
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Key example of this is Data Republicans small R. Do

487
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you know the account to which I prefer?

488
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Speaker 1: Yes?

489
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 4: Okay, here's this woman. She is apparently a computer nerd, brilliant,

490
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,599
very good at she's a kernel engineer. She's very good

491
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at getting rooting down into the you know, the heart

492
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,200
of systems and finding relationships and finding patterns on how

493
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,920
things work. And she's applied her skills to to DOGE

494
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,079
things to USAID and has produced these fascinating flow charts

495
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,759
of where the money goes. I think we talked about

496
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:07,839
this a couple of weeks ago, where before we never

497
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,680
knew exactly. We would just hear that twenty million dollars

498
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,640
have been granted for climate change of Bateman and low

499
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,839
income communities, and we think, well, that's great, unless if

500
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,279
you think, though, it's a scam. But that's, of course

501
00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:21,680
not what happened. Twenty million would go to this institution,

502
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:23,759
which would take ten million and give it to this one,

503
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:25,559
which would shave off two, and then eight would go

504
00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:27,599
to this place, and etcetera, etcetera. And somebody's coming into

505
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,039
the room to talk to me. Hi, Sorry, it doesn't matter, Sorry,

506
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,319
just had an interruption. And so's she's come and she's

507
00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:37,559
applied for work a DOGE and apparently she's going to

508
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,720
get it. She's going to get a security clearance and

509
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:42,720
bring these incredible skills to that. So I have learned

510
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,319
more from her stuff, which is fairly transparent and easy

511
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,519
to understand but complex, than I have from any single

512
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:54,759
ever mainstream media newspapers saying well, let's take a look

513
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:56,400
at the funding of the government and break it down

514
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,200
and see how it goes. It just wasn't in their

515
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,559
interest or their appetite to do so before, But now

516
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,119
we've got people who have very large appetites for it

517
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,960
and very great interest in skills, and we're learning. We're

518
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:10,440
learning things that we should have known years ago.

519
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean once upon a time. Well, actually, back

520
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,200
in the nineties and the eighties, I used to try

521
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,480
and get after certain data sets in the federal government

522
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:25,640
and that meant going to a government agency library and

523
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getting bound volumes that were available in the public and

524
00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:30,240
pouring through lots of tables, and then if I found

525
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:33,279
a meaningful data set, entering it by hand on an

526
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,640
Excel spreadsheet. Well, now a lot of data sets are

527
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,279
available in downloadable form. Not spending I mean, because you know,

528
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,519
the ledgers are huge, but likewise, if you did budget work,

529
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,359
you had to go through ledgers on paper and that

530
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,759
meant thousands of pages. And now you can use artificial

531
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intelligence and other screens to get at it. This isn't

532
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,279
the only effort. There's been this great organization out of

533
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:57,400
Chicago for several years called Open the Books, and they

534
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,480
do something like this. They produce some very good reports.

535
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,400
I think. I think they have a side Open the

536
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,920
Books dot com or something, and they've done a lot

537
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,240
of work on most of the state and local level

538
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:09,640
around the country, but some federal about wasteful spending and stuff.

539
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,880
But now at the next generation or maybe even the

540
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,440
third generation of this, where you can use AI tools

541
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,359
and find the things you really are looking for, and yeah,

542
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,759
the meat is just lazy about all this. That one

543
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,519
parallel to that, I remember the Reagan ears, James, I

544
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:27,720
think you do too, when every time there was a

545
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,680
budget cut, which usually wasn't a cut at all either,

546
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:35,079
it was a reduction in the growth exactly, but the

547
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,480
media would find somebody who is hurt by a change

548
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,960
in eligibility, and oh, they give a big SOB story. CBS.

549
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,640
You might remember, I think in eighty two or eighty

550
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,079
three did a week long series Primetime called People Like

551
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Us and there was an hour a night of people

552
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,359
being hurt by Reagan policies, and you know, Reagan, who

553
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,920
was very disciplined about ignoring the media, was so angry

554
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,920
he called up Dan Rather and yelled at him about it,

555
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,279
how biased it was, and so okay, they're trying to

556
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:01,119
rerun that now. Of course, with the federal workers losing

557
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,799
their jobs, who are you know, saving babies in Zimbabwe

558
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,359
or wherever? And I don't know, I don't think it's

559
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,640
getting quite distraction. But oh and finally, maybe did you,

560
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,240
Charlie or somebody say this a while ago, did the

561
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:16,599
media ever interview a single person who lost their job

562
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,480
when Biden shut down the Keystone pipeline on day one?

563
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,599
I think the answer is I think we know the answer.

564
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,799
Speaker 4: We don't, and we never You never get an interview

565
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,960
with a person who wasn't hired because of a regulation,

566
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:32,440
who never got the job in the first place, because

567
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the company had contracted three percent because an onerous regulation

568
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:38,119
came down. You never hear about those people. When you

569
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,440
do hear about the people who are being hired, sometimes

570
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sponsoring this the Ricochet Podcast. I'd like to move to

602
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England now, Well, actually I wouldn't. Actually I would.

603
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Speaker 1: I would.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if I had my druthers, I would pack

605
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,319
everything up and I would buy a house in Suffolk

606
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,519
by the Sea, and I would live there very happily,

607
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:37,319
in a wonderful little community that I know. But England

608
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,880
as a whole, and perhaps in its urban centers, is

609
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,680
having difficulties of which we find news. Here. We are

610
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,799
the fine news of the way that immigration patterns have

611
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,160
resulted in changes to English culture that may not sit

612
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well with the locals. We also find that there is

613
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:56,680
a bizarre desire to emulate the most banal portions of

614
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:59,400
nineteen eighty four and knock on people's doors with things

615
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,799
that they've set. Well. Trump is going to meet with

616
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British Prime minister here and they're gonna I think they

617
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,839
already have met. Yeah, and I believe that Starmer objected

618
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,440
to JD Vance saying what he said about UK free speech,

619
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,079
at which point he was roundly excoriated on x and

620
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:23,720
Twitter by people who are saying, you're putting Grandma's in

621
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:32,079
jail for Facebook post. For sake, Charles, looking back on

622
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,039
your former country, we of course know that you're a

623
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,880
proud American citizen by choice and by effort. How do

624
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,680
you regard Are we over exaggerating exactly the extent to

625
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which free speech, supposedly a cherished British value, is being

626
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:48,880
trampled upon? Or is it really that bad?

627
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Speaker 5: Ah?

628
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Speaker 7: I think it's really that bad. It's not as bad

629
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,480
in England as city is in Scotland. Scotland, which has

630
00:32:56,599 --> 00:33:01,839
certain devoluted paws, devolved powers, I suppose you would say,

631
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:08,960
has gone truly crazy with laws that are effectively modern

632
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:12,799
SATs progressive versions of the old blasphemy laws just only

633
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,000
applied to the people they hate. But Britain, having no

634
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:25,400
constitution to stop this, has failed to stop it, and

635
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,519
you've got a bunch of laws on the books that

636
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:36,480
are designed to stop people talking about subjects that the

637
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government doesn't want to talk about under the guise of

638
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:46,799
protecting people from hatred and discrimination. And in America those

639
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,799
laws would be struck down under the First Amendment in

640
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:55,039
about seven seconds. The most egregious example recently has been

641
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the arrest and prosecution in some cases of people who

642
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:06,119
are praying silently outside of abortion clinics. Now, this topic

643
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,000
gets slightly complicated because when you look into some of

644
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:12,559
these cases, including ones in America, you find that some

645
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,199
of the people who were supposed to be praying or

646
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,920
standing were actually blocking the entrance, and of course blocking

647
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,159
an entrance is not speech. But in the English case,

648
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they've actually been arrested and prosecuted for praying. In fact,

649
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:30,199
one woman who was arrested literally said while she was

650
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standing there, I don't wish to stop anyone or coerce anyone.

651
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,599
I'm just here to pray for you and talk to

652
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,320
you if needed, because I know sometimes people are coerced

653
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,000
into abortions and that was too far. When I was

654
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:50,960
at Oxford, there was a kid in my year who

655
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:57,000
was famously and very amusingly arrested because he called a

656
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:03,719
police officer's horse gay. This is a real story. This

657
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,920
is a real story that you can look up and

658
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,360
you'll find instant Google results for the case. He told

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the police officer, by the way, may your horse is gay?

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Speaker 4: Like that.

661
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 7: He had a few drinks, he was being facetious, and

662
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,920
he was arrested under speech laws that prohibit not because

663
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,000
it was a police officer, because he was belligerent, but

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the content of the speech. And I think I'm right

665
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,440
in saying that case was dropped. But for years we

666
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had all of these absurd examples. There was a guy,

667
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a singer on Pierre at one of the English seaside resorts,

668
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,719
who sang the song Kung Fu Fighting in front of

669
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a Chinese person, not because the Chinese person was there,

670
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but because he was a singer at a beach resort

671
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and he slung the song and he was arrested. We

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are equal opportunity prosecutor is when it comes to religion.

673
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We prosecute Muslims for criticizing atheists and criticians for Christians

674
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,599
for criticizing Muslims, and atheists for criticizing both. There was

675
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:11,719
a guy who was arrested because he leafleted Liverpool Airport.

676
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,519
The leaflet said there is no God. I mean, it's

677
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,639
it's very, very silly, And yeah, it is a problem.

678
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,159
It's not just the media getting over excuse.

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Speaker 4: Well in America, I don't hold on Stephen. In America,

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I think under the new anti misinformation idea, you could

681
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actually bring somebody up on charges if they had said

682
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in social media that everybody was kung fu fighting, because

683
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,000
it's it's demonstrably not true. I'm looking up my window

684
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right now. You may have a portion or a fraction

685
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of the audience engaged in kung fu fighting. But to

686
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say that everyone, that's.

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Speaker 1: A great issue.

688
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Speaker 7: You've seen that T shirt where it says surely not

689
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everybody everyone.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I haven't you see how I had the

691
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same joke in my head. Look at it. It's worse,

692
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,679
I mean say, it's worse than that. They're getting more

693
00:36:56,679 --> 00:37:01,480
brazen about preemptive censorship. So earlier this week, what's her name,

694
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:04,159
Elizabeth Vander later Hoose and I call her the President

695
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:08,639
of the European Commission. She gave a speech that bring

696
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,440
open about what they want to do, and what she

697
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,159
said was, you know, the problem of misinformation and disinformation

698
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,039
is so serious that I'm not sure to used the

699
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,119
word prior restraint. But the phrase she did use was

700
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:22,639
it is easier to prebunk something than to debunk it

701
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,360
after the fact. So that's just sugarcoating for we're going

702
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,199
to stop people from dissenting and making criticisms and saying

703
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everyone's kung fu fighting and all the rest pre bunking.

704
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I know, I like that, right.

705
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,599
Speaker 4: I mean, these people have never seen Minority Report. I

706
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:44,880
guess the pre crime and use very that's.

707
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,679
Speaker 1: A model, right, That's the joke, as in the nineteen

708
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,639
eighty four was not supposed to be the owner's manual

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00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:49,440
for doing this right.

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00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 4: And Minority Report and all those other Philip K. Dickian

711
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,559
things great, wonderful.

712
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:56,039
Speaker 7: You want to have one one quick other thing that

713
00:37:56,159 --> 00:38:00,559
is gross about the English system. So I sicked up

714
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,480
the story that I told you about this guy at

715
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,119
Oxford who court. So he was drinking after his final

716
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:08,880
exams and he said to this police officer, do you

717
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,639
realize your horse is gay? And he's arrested for making

718
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:16,360
homophobic remarks. He spent a night in the cells before

719
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,159
the charges were dropped. But the reason he spent the

720
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,320
night in the cells was that he had been given

721
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,280
the chance to pay an eighty dollars eighty pound fine

722
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:30,159
without due process. They introduced that under Blair that a

723
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,719
police officer could say, instead of going through the system,

724
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,880
I will march you to an ATM right now and

725
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,960
you can just hand me eighty dollars. So you've got

726
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,960
two things there that will be unconstitutional in the United States.

727
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,000
One is arresting people for speech, and the other is

728
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,280
punishment that is determined by police officers completely outside of

729
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,960
the system of due process.

730
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,199
Speaker 4: It is cam Coon, Mexico police action right there. But

731
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,599
what I find what I find fastening about that, really,

732
00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:00,199
when you think about it, is the bias that they're showing.

733
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,280
Interesting the man for saying that the horse is gay.

734
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,760
What if the man himself was gay and intended that

735
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,519
to be a compliment, that either just right, just just

736
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,679
you know, the way it stepped he found it an

737
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,039
extremely attractive uh, and that was and he was paying

738
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,280
it a compliment. But for them to automatically assume that

739
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,400
that was a slur shows the mindset of the policeman himself.

740
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,239
And I'm surprised that he wasn't brought up on charges.

741
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,039
No hum, All right, well, Stormy apparently is going to

742
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,800
embark on a crash defense build up. I don't know

743
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,800
if you guys saw that, which I find interesting because

744
00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:43,880
British defense has perhaps not have been as robust as

745
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,400
it was at the you know, at its imperial peak,

746
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,360
which you know, I think we all get that, but

747
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:57,039
their ability to project power is minimal, so great that

748
00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,599
they're doing that. On the other hand, you read that

749
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:04,760
in ongoing investigation of the art in Westminster has decided

750
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,719
that they have to take down a portrait of Lord Nelson,

751
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:15,400
and I find that extraordinary. I regard the way the

752
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,159
British seemed to be cannibalized. It seemed to be denying

753
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:23,039
their own history, the glories of for human frailties and

754
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:27,079
failings or you know, egregious misdeas or whatever, to just

755
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,880
wipe it all out and hang new portraits and say

756
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,360
that this is who we are. It's remarkable. I mean,

757
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,280
I mean, it's a matter of time before Nelson comes

758
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,639
off the column, That's all I'm saying.

759
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,639
Speaker 1: Do you think what did he do wrong? What did

760
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:43,320
he do wrong? Do you know, Charles, what's the beef

761
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,199
with Nelson his indifference to the slavery issue.

762
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 7: Yeah he oh right. So this sprung up about eight

763
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:58,000
years ago and I wrote about it. There was a

764
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:03,199
call to take him off the column in London. And

765
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,280
my point, then, I don't know what you think of

766
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,679
this framework, was that even if you are tremendously bothered

767
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,280
by the fact that he was a man of his age,

768
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,159
he's not on the column because of that. Here in Jacksonville,

769
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,159
during the summer of twenty twenty, when everything went crazy,

770
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:27,119
we had a protest outside the courthouse. It was one

771
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,559
of the few Summer of twenty twenty protests that I

772
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:37,440
thought had a point. There was a statue of Alexander Stephens,

773
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,320
the vice President of the Confederacy, a man who's literally

774
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,000
famous for believing that slavery was quote the cornerstone of

775
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:47,320
the United States and that the Declaration of Independence was

776
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,280
full of lies. And some of the speakers there said,

777
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,960
this is not a good thing to have outside of

778
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,440
a courthouse. What message does that send? And I thought,

779
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,960
you know what, that's a good point. But Nelson is

780
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,280
not Stephens. Nobody, nobody looks at that and says, oh sir,

781
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:09,280
that's Nelson. The incidental slavery supporter. They think that was Nelson,

782
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,440
the great patriot who gave his life for the country

783
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:20,079
and won the Battle of Trafalgar, defeatesd. Napoleon's navy many times.

784
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,440
That's why he's on there. So to drill down on

785
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,159
all of these things that really weren't very important, if

786
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,440
they're even true about him, seems to me to be silly.

787
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: I can understand taking down some statues, I can. I mean,

788
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,599
you mentioned Confederate vice president and other people who rose

789
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:42,519
up against the United States, secessionists, traders doing what the

790
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,519
is don't what they did in the Balkans. I remember

791
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:48,599
taking a tour in where was I somewhere in the

792
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:52,920
Balkans Estonia, and the tour guide had explained that they'd

793
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,039
rounded up all of the Marxist statues and they'd put

794
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:58,639
them in a special garden, which they called the Garden

795
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,400
of Soviet Monsters. And you could go there and you

796
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,679
could see all You could see the Lenin in his

797
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,199
various portraits, either Lenin, you know, gripping his jacket, the

798
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:09,679
side of his jacket, or Lenin with his hand out

799
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:12,280
like this, which they call the Lenin haaling, the taxi model,

800
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,800
and you know, some bristly face of Karl Marx and

801
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,480
then some local luminaries and forgettable people who who would

802
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,639
assist with Soviet rule. They put him in a place

803
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:23,079
where you could go and see him and laugh at him,

804
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:25,239
jeer at him, or study or whatever. But not to

805
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,360
destroy them, because to destroy them would be to destroy

806
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,679
the history that they represented. You can't. You ought not

807
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,760
to do that. So I find it so hilarious when

808
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,880
people are saying that we're renaming mountains now and gulfs.

809
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:38,679
It's the entire renaming project in order to create a

810
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,199
more serene sense of I mean, when you start taking

811
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,159
down the guys like Nelson, then Teddy Roosevelt comes down,

812
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,480
then Ben Franklin goes down, then Thomas Jefferson is dethroned

813
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:51,800
from his place in Washington, d C. And it's madness.

814
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,480
And I think we stopped that. I think the fever

815
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,679
has broken and we're no longer doing that, and I

816
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,400
think people are kind of happy about out doing that.

817
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,639
Let's switch gears again, because I want to talk about

818
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,440
Justice Roberts coming just to waken up in the middle

819
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,760
of the night and saying no, no, Somebody want to

820
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,559
explain that for everybody.

821
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: Well, I can try what I guess some lower court

822
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,320
judge had said that, no, Trump, you can't halt foreign

823
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,440
aid that's been scheduled by previous decision decisions of the

824
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,000
State Department or whoever usaid you have to send it

825
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:31,599
out by midnight last night or something. And that's what

826
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:34,679
Robert stops is. No, they can hold up the they

827
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,000
can stop the funding. And I think it may be

828
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:40,239
pending a more complete review by an appellate court. I'm

829
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,880
not quite sure, but this is part of the larger

830
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,280
scene where the Supreme Court fairly soon is going to

831
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,480
have to confront issues we haven't had in front of

832
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,679
us for fifty years, really since the Nixon era of

833
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,480
presidential control over spending and then second presidential control. This

834
00:44:56,519 --> 00:45:00,280
is getting more ink over the federal workforce. We're going

835
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,519
to revisit a Supreme Court case from what almost ninety

836
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:06,199
years ago now that said a president couldn't remove somebody.

837
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:10,360
That's the Humphrey's Executor's case, long thought by just about

838
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,039
everybody across the political spectrum in law schools like where

839
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:16,400
I am today to have been wrongly decided and so

840
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,400
fun to watch all this. The Court's going to have

841
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,559
to do a lot of extra work right now, and

842
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:22,679
I think they don't like that, but they don't have

843
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:23,880
a choice. They're gonna have to do it.

844
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,599
Speaker 4: Charlie's Some say that this is just the Supreme Court

845
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:29,400
making it known that these injunctions by the judges, these

846
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,519
nationwide bands of people is as you're not gonna fly anymore.

847
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,679
Speaker 7: I'm not sure that the Court is quite ready to

848
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:43,320
set a system wide rule on injunctions, because that is

849
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:49,119
quite complicated. I find them annoying in some cases, but

850
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,119
I have read some pretty good defenses of why they're necessary.

851
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,800
It has to be looked at on a case by

852
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,920
case basis. I think that the reason that the Court

853
00:45:58,119 --> 00:45:59,960
in this case and I think many others to come,

854
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,920
is refusing to acquiesce is that the reasoning underneath most

855
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,480
of the interventions that we've seen is really poor. You know,

856
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:15,480
before he shifted on it, David French used to call

857
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:20,199
it Trump law, that there was this different system for

858
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,920
Trump than anyone else. All of a sudden, in twenty seventeen,

859
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:30,039
the plenary power over immigration, for example, that had been

860
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:34,199
assumed in American law since the start of the twentieth

861
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:40,199
century was shaved back, not because there'd been any alterations

862
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,840
to the fact or any Supreme Court cases that had

863
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,440
amended the presidents, but because Donald Trump was doing it.

864
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:53,000
And you know, I think we're seeing that. And then

865
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:57,960
there is a shift I think, coming back toward Article

866
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:03,079
two as it's actually written, and away from the New

867
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:07,800
Deal era invention of so called independent agencies. As a

868
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:13,280
case Humphrey's executor that I think Stephen Steve would be

869
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,920
able to explain better than I that could well be overturned.

870
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:20,800
And you know, every time you see one of these

871
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,000
judges jump in to try to prevent the president from

872
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,320
doing something that, at least in the original Constitution is

873
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:34,840
very clearly under his power, you are raising the likelihood

874
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,400
that it will be litigated on the merits and that

875
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,079
the Supreme Court will shift back to the pre New

876
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:45,039
Deal are e correct understanding of presidential power within his

877
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:53,159
own department. So I do think that the decision you're

878
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:57,760
discussing is important, but I think it is it's less

879
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,360
to do with the wisdom on necessity of nationwide injunctions

880
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,880
per se, and more to do with other.

881
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 4: You know, you just revealed your own biases there, and

882
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:11,840
Charlie with that pre New Deal and hence correct. I mean,

883
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,800
why don't you just bundle some sticks together and make

884
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:16,440
it obvious.

885
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 7: Well, I just think that I think that the way

886
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:26,000
in which the administrative state was used in much of

887
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:29,960
the New Deal was flatly unconstitutional. Now there's lots of

888
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,039
people who would argue with me, lots of smart people.

889
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:38,320
But the Congress after the New Deal put some protections

890
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,000
in place. The Administrative Procedure Act does some of the

891
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:46,960
work to prevent actual caprice in the changing of the

892
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,679
meaning of American law, but it doesn't restore the authority

893
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,440
to the White House that ought to be restored. And

894
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,519
so we've ended up in a weird place, James, which

895
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:02,119
is the president usurps an awful lot of power that

896
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:05,400
belongs to Congress, and Congress doesn't do much about it.

897
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,199
That's a problem at the same time, and people struggle

898
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:10,079
with this if you believe both of these things. At

899
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:15,079
the same time, Congress has imposed all sorts of rules

900
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,960
on the executive branch that don't pass constitutional muster like

901
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,159
that it has to preside over and execute agencies whose

902
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,719
staff it can't fire. It is nowhere in there, and

903
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,800
you get the best modern example of this, The Consumer

904
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,480
Finance Protection Bureau not only set outside of the President's remit,

905
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,239
but Congress said it's outside of its own remit now,

906
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,599
so it's funded by the federal reserves, so you can't

907
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:47,440
even use legislative power to amend it. I mean it's

908
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:49,440
I think these are new deal inventions that ought to

909
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,599
be struck from American law.

910
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:52,559
Speaker 1: I agree.

911
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,639
Speaker 4: And by the way, by saying bundle of sticks, I

912
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:57,000
meant the old Roman symbol of authority. I didn't mean

913
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,519
a British locution that you would be arrested for if

914
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:04,079
you called horse that. We've had a lot of horse here,

915
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,320
even going back to Charlie's note about Kamala Harrison's plan

916
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,239
to use the bones of children to create a new

917
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,400
breed of pony, which brings us back to the Lippins

918
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,960
on her Horse, which brings us, of course, to the

919
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,920
dialogue written by Quentin tarant You know, for the great

920
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:20,119
Gene Hackman. I believe in Crimson Tide, I think, and

921
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,760
the story is peculiar. When we heard the when everybody

922
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,440
heard the Gene Hackman had died, you said, oh, well,

923
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,840
he was very old. I'm sad, but not unexpected. And

924
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,480
then the story takes odd twists when you figure when

925
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:36,320
you learn more about it. I have nothing to say

926
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,440
about that except to wait for what we're eventually told.

927
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,360
But it does make one recall his various roles in

928
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,880
the movies. Everybody seems to be topping off with He

929
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,199
was great as Lex Luthor, and I thought, no, I

930
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:51,199
don't think so. That's like my least favorite Gene Hackman performance,

931
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,320
and I've got a lot of favorite Gene Hackman performances.

932
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,239
Any One of my favorites actually of his is Bonnie

933
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,719
and Clydehere you don't even see him, just hear him

934
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,360
crying out in Mad Fever Struck Nonsense from a distance.

935
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,400
I liked him in Young Frankenstein is a comic turn.

936
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,360
Loved the way he wore a hat in French Connection.

937
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,159
But what I loved most about people talking about Hackman

938
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,760
was the realization that this is one of those guys

939
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,039
that came out of the seventies no way, Actually we

940
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:21,280
had him in the forties two. Every era has them

941
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,440
guys that shouldn't be movie stars because they're not classically handsome,

942
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:28,480
they don't seem to have Just look at him, you

943
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:35,239
wouldn't but have that something and Hackman had that, and

944
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:38,159
it's on for an actor of his intensity that I

945
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,480
seem to remember him having. I always remembered him with

946
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:45,920
an easy grin. Liked the guy, and I just wondered

947
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,559
if you had any other thoughts. Charles. I know you're

948
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:49,559
still working your way with the classic American movie, so

949
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:51,800
you may not be the go to man in this, but.

950
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Speaker 7: Yes, I haven't seen that one, although I would note

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that Geene Hackman was the Jacksonville Jaguars fanily was to

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his credit.

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Speaker 4: All you need to know.

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Speaker 6: Hello, my friends and fellow fans of the First Amendment.

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I'm with Dennis Neil, host of What's Bugging Me on

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the great and growing Ricochet platform. I'm a former managing

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editor of Forbes and an ex anchor at CNBC and Fox,

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and I don't recognize the media today. President Trump broke them.

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Join my show every Thursday and into the weekend as

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we take the media to task and call out phony

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and effeckless politicians, and dive into stops and invest in

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and explore internal affairs like health and well being, and

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have a glorious day.

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Speaker 4: What five things did you do this week?

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Speaker 1: Go on tell me. I finished three articles that I

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was passed deadline on. So each one of those counts

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is one thing. So there's up to three right there.

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Teaching a class here for yesterday and now the next

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two days. What else did I do? I took the

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trash out before I left town.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that qualifies. No, this is not your

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wife asking you what five things you did, because if

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it was your wife asking you, you would have just

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had one there with the trash thing, and those other

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four were just kind of waved away as things that

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you do. I guess somewhere for some reason that would

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be interesting if spouses begin doing what five things? If

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you're done this week, Charles, are you as appalled by

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this as one TikToker put it? Something that that you

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that is like North Korea? M She said she was

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alone with extremely luxurious hair.

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Speaker 7: She would extremely pretty. I could forget her purply. Ah,

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I am not appalled by it. I'm not sure this

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was particularly well thought through, given that people within the administration,

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who I assume I'm not to be designated squishes by

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the president. Cash Tell, for example, immediately said, ah, could

987
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you just be careful because we do intelligent stuff around here.

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But there's nothing inherently wrong with asking that question. It's

989
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certainly the sort of question you would hear a lot

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in Silicon Valley. Steve Jobs was famous for asking people

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what they did, and then, if unsatisfied, firing them. I

992
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don't think that it is like North Korea. I do think,

993
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although I've been defensive of a lot of doughs, that

994
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it was less useful as an exercise than much of

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what they've done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I just remembered I want to do this

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last thing here, because it's yes to even go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that I have to write. I have

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to go back and find a story. About ten twelve

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years back, there was the story that got a lot

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of publicity about a guy at the EPA who had retired,

1002
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except he stayed on the payroll, that had a retirement ceremony,

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and then somebody noticed, Hey, he's still on the payroll,

1004
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but he's not showing up for work. What's he doing?

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They called Hi up and says, oh, I've been seconded

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to the CIA for a special project, which turned out

1007
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to be a lie.

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Speaker 4: He was working.

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Speaker 1: He was some socialist Waco. He was working on a

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plan to reorganize the whole American economy on behalf of

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the EPA, on his own remit to save the planet,

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and he went to jail. But my wonder is it

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took a couple of years for someone to notice they're

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paying this guy a big salary who doesn't ever show up.

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There's got to be more peoples like that. Maybe not

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tens of thousands, but I think they're not wrong to say,

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let's see people out there are even paying attention.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when your payroll systems are actually operating on those

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old IBM mainframes that have the tape spin spinning and

1020
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worrying back and forth and spinning out punch cards. Positive

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but you know, possibly there may be one or two

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feather bedders out there. The last thing that I wanted

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to do. That means that the previous item, which was

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the last, is now the penultimate. We used to do

1025
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this with Robin Peter and it's been a while. Just

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very briefly, what are you watching? And I mean, you

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know the world girls, I mean I mean on on

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on the oh, on the television.

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Speaker 1: Right, I think, yeah, I watched very little television. I

1030
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did just watch this show. I think it's on Amazon Prime.

1031
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A police procedure will called on call. It's an half

1032
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hour police procedural. It's sort of you might say, drag

1033
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that updated. We'll not quite drag that. But it's you know,

1034
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about a couple of officers on the beat in a

1035
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long beach of all unlike not maybe not unlikely places.

1036
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But it's very well made.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And that's not the only thing I've seen lately, because

1039
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otherwise I don't have any time. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 4: Is it a reality show? Is it descripted?

1041
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Speaker 1: You know, it's a scripted drama. Uh? Oh, Dick Wolf,

1042
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you know, the law right guy. He's one of the

1043
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producers of it.

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Speaker 4: Of course, so half an hour scripted crime show. I

1045
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like that because he is not a commitment Charles.

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Speaker 7: I am watching season one of Slow Horses.

1047
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Speaker 1: Now, everyone who yeah, for anyone you're joining it, I

1048
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hope it's fantastic.

1049
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Speaker 7: I think it's terrific. I was gonna say, for anyone

1050
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who listens to me on various things and recalls faintly

1051
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having heard me say about a year and a half

1052
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ago that I was watching season one slow that is

1053
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in fact correct. I am a slow horse in this regard.

1054
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We watched the episodes, then it got very busy with

1055
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many things, including football season, and then we dropped off it,

1056
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not because we didn't love it, but because we wanted

1057
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to pay it attention. And so now we're back and

1058
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we're finishing off season one with the attention that it deserves,

1059
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and it's terrific.

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Speaker 4: I want to give it a shout not a shout out,

1061
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I hate that. A A stamp of endorsement for a

1062
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show on Hulu called Paradise. Nobody is watching. Apparently, well

1063
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the people are watching, some people aren't, but it's one

1064
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of those You go to the reddit subreddit for it

1065
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,559
and it's got like twenty to thirty comments. It doesn't

1066
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seem to have broken through. It's one of the most

1067
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incredible things I've seen in a great long time. It's

1068
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a secret service agent for a president. And it's funny

1069
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,239
how we, you know, sort of cycle our tropes of

1070
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presidents and what we expect them to be. The Morgan

1071
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:49,159
Freeman era of presidents is over and we appear to

1072
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be back to the William de Vayne era of presidents.

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Now I can't tell you anything about it because the

1074
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first episode ends is with a startling twist and then

1075
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it's off to the races. Extraordinarily good storytelling, remarkably well done,

1076
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,199
and it has a penultimate episode, the seventh episode, which

1077
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simply is one of the most thrilling pieces of television

1078
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:12,639
I've ever seen. I have never sat on the edge

1079
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of my chair immobile for an hour like I did.

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It's really good. Paradise on Hulu. Five things folks you

1081
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need to do this week. A. You need to go

1082
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:26,000
to Bamboo, hr dot com, freedomo and take a look

1083
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:28,320
at what they can do for you. Two. You need

1084
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,920
to go to any one of the platforms that offers podcasts,

1085
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,079
suggestions and reviews and give us those five stars or

1086
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,639
however many stars they allow you to do, because that's

1087
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:39,760
great because if you do it on Apple, that means

1088
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that more people see us, more people go to Ricochet.

1089
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And that's your third thing. If you haven't signed up

1090
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for Ricochet yet, you need to do that. I mean,

1091
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:49,159
I've been telling you this for seven hundred plus episodes now,

1092
00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:52,559
but it is the same civil center, right place you've

1093
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,480
been looking for in the Internet all of your days.

1094
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:56,320
You wonder why you didn't sign up before. Oh you

1095
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,880
can read it for free, but it takes you a

1096
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,199
couple of coin to get to the member feed, and

1097
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:04,039
that's where the community start and really grow. And you

1098
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:06,760
can post too, and like other places in the Internet,

1099
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,000
if you don't cough up those couple of coins, you

1100
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can't post. So it keeps thee keeps the bar for

1101
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:16,360
conversation high. That's why we love it. The fourth thing

1102
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you need to do is to tell other people about Ricochet.

1103
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,159
And the fifth thing you need to do right now

1104
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:23,599
is to say, that was a great show. I'm going

1105
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:27,000
to just think about how much fun I had and

1106
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:30,760
make sure that I'm there next week. That said Charles,

1107
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thank you, Steven, thank you, listeners, thank you, Bamboo hr

1108
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thank you, and we'll see everybody in the comments ed

1109
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,639
Ricochet four point goodbye.

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Speaker 2: Next week, guys, Ricochet, join the conversation.

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Speaker 5: It was succeed from something to sho