WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:08.240 Hey, everybody, wasn't it great to hear from Lars. You 2 00:00:08.279 --> 00:00:11.000 can just tell he he loves what he's doing, and 3 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:13.160 that really just comes through when you talk to him. 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:17.399 Somebody else that loves what they do is our next 5 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:21.079 pseudo surprise. We announced it what an hour or something ago. 6 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:24.960 You might know him. He's a guy named Elon. Maybe 7 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.399 you've heard of him. He's got a couple followers on 8 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:30.199 this platform called X. I don't know, you know some 9 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:34.079 new guy. No Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla, will 10 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:37.679 be joining us virtually here momentarily and to chat with 11 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:40.960 him for second or third year in a row, now, gosh, 12 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:43.799 second year in a row. Please welcome back of course, 13 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:47.159 John and Calvin from the Tesla Owners Club of Silicon Valley. 14 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:49.200 All right, let's go have fun, guys. 15 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:55.479 Man, the race horses out there all was causing a 16 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:57.280 Ruckus family friendly event. 17 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:02.640 Guys, crazy, what a day? What a day. 18 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:07.200 So obviously, thank you so much to Lars and Steve 19 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:08.280 for coming on here. 20 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:11.079 And I believe we have Elon On. 21 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:14.519 So it's just a matter of I feel like, you know, 22 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:16.159 just bringing him on the screen and stuff. 23 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:23.359 Wha. 24 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:27.920 Yeah, it actually kind of looks like Mars in some ways. 25 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:34.760 Perseverance Is that a cap right there too, it's a 26 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:36.280 posseverance rover on Mars. 27 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:38.359 Oh my gosh, that's awesome. 28 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:39.519 Yeah. 29 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:42.239 Well, first off, Elon, thanks for coming to the X 30 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.599 takeover formerly a test Let's take over for the second 31 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:46.200 year in a row. 32 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:47.959 Hi, welcome. 33 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:53.680 Well let's let's kick things off. Let's start off, start 34 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:58.719 off with you know, really your baby, the Starship. Starship 35 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:02.519 is the most ambition is rocket ever built. What's been 36 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:05.760 harder than expected? And what's the next milestone we should 37 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:06.159 watch for? 38 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:13.000 Well, I thought everything would be hard, so it's not 39 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:14.319 like it was like. 40 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:16.560 It would be easy. 41 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:21.240 Yeah, yeah, I mean, Starship is is a crazy program 42 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:25.759 on so many levels. Because if you've got something with 43 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:30.639 two and a half and future versions will be three 44 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.879 times the thrust of the Saturn by Ron rocket, which 45 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:37.479 was previously largest rocket and largest playing object ever made. 46 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:45.360 So Starship is you know, three times thrust, roughly twice 47 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:48.520 the weight of the next largest playing object haven't made, 48 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.759 and has the goal of being fully and rapidly reusable. 49 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:57.280 So this is a this is a really crazy thing too. 50 00:02:57.360 --> 00:02:59.719 I think it's really one of the hottest engineering challenges 51 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:06.560 that exists. And you know, when we first started talking 52 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:10.439 about Starship, people thought this was impossible. In fact, even 53 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:12.879 within the company, we we sort of thought it was impossible, 54 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:14.800 and it had a very high sort of work called 55 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:18.759 gigle factor. You know, you mentioned the thing and people 56 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:23.199 immediately start giggling, like at the absurdity of it all. 57 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:26.680 So now, but now it's gone from uh as say 58 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:30.120 we you know, I guess I specialize in the going 59 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:38.039 from the impossible to the merely late. So that's my skill. 60 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:43.599 It was impossible and now it's just late. So uh 61 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.800 And I encourage anyone who's interested to go and visit 62 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.240 star Base in South Texas. It's like a magical land 63 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.080 with gigantic rockets. I think some of you would Yeah, 64 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:56.520 it's inane, but it's very inspiring. It's like I take 65 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:58.680 take breaths of family. It's on a major highway, so 66 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:03.120 you can see things quite us up and really gets 67 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:05.240 a sense for the scale of the of the rocket 68 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.199 and the factory and everything. So it's it's very cool. 69 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:15.280 I guess the thing that I thought would be hottest 70 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.920 currently is the hottest, which is the creating a fully 71 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:21.839 reusable obital heat shield, which has never been done before. 72 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:27.920 So normally the heat shields are they're they're expendable, and 73 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.279 even say for the Shuttle heat shield, they would lose 74 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.439 many of the tiles on every flight and they have 75 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.879 to refurbish the heat shield between each flight, so it's 76 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:39.600 it's never no one has ever created a fully reasonable 77 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:44.040 obital heat shield before, and no one, no one has 78 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:49.199 created a fully reusable obital rocket before. And Falcon nine 79 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:52.439 is the first rocket where there's at least the boostage 80 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:57.639 is reusable on a regular basis and where it actually 81 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:04.279 makes economic sense. So so so, solving the heat shield 82 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:06.959 problem is i think probably the single biggest remaining challenge 83 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:14.600 for Starship, and and of course getting the upper stage 84 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:17.680 for the ship to land and also get caught by 85 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:22.560 the giant metal chopsticks, which looks looks like a sci 86 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:25.240 fi movie. That looks it looks like an improbable sci 87 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:26.720 fi movie. The whole thing. 88 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:30.000 Chop sticks literally catturing it, catching it. 89 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:39.160 Yeah, giant metal chopsticks. That's it's pretty well to be 90 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:42.319 catching the largest ling object ever made with metal chop 91 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:48.839 sticks out of there. So then the but I'm hopeful 92 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:53.920 that the ship will be will be recover maybe this year, 93 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:56.279 but certainly let's say in the first half of next year, 94 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:01.120 and then there'll be further improvements to make the ship 95 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:04.879 and the boost not just reusable, but fully and rapidly reusable, 96 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:08.879 which will actually drop the cost for a flight cost 97 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:13.399 per ton of payload of starship below that of a 98 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:17.279 Falcon one rocket of an expendable Falcon one, so that 99 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.920 getting one hundred tons or more to orbit a useful 100 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:26.079 payload will cost less than a rocket that would ordinarily 101 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.839 deliver half a ton that was Falcon one. And it's 102 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:34.360 because all you're doing is replacing the fuel and oxygen 103 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.040 in the rocket as opposed to bullying a new rocket, 104 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.759 and most of the propellant is actually oxygen, not fuel. 105 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.720 It's but it's almost eighty percent oxygen twenty percent fuel. 106 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:53.720 Then the next big technology challenge, after being able to 107 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:56.759 achieve full use of the pull reuse of the ship, 108 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:06.319 is orbital refilling, where where we actually refiel propellant from 109 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.399 from over like like like Aerial refueling in this case 110 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:13.959 is orbital refilling. I say refilling, not refueling, because most 111 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.560 of what's transferred is actually liquid oxygen as opposed to fuel. 112 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:23.600 So for orbital refilling. You you need to have two 113 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:28.800 starships come together and dark and transfer propellant from one 114 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:33.160 starship to another and then and then in the future 115 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:38.279 to an orbit obitable propellant depot. Yeah, so that's that's 116 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:40.519 the situation. 117 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:42.319 Doesn't sound hard to just show. 118 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:48.439 I mean, it is very feeble. There's nothing nothing is 119 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:51.639 nothing impossible is being talked about here, but it is. 120 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:57.399 It is very tricky to do, and and and no 121 00:07:57.639 --> 00:07:59.920 other organization is even trying to do this. It's like, 122 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:02.800 so I'm like, well, who else is trying to do this? 123 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:10.040 Will love it? You Actually, so, in fact, even after 124 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:14.240 all these years, there's still a company that's reusing a booster. 125 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.160 So uh, no one's even tried to do Balcon nine 126 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.079 level reusability, even even though we've shown that that it 127 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:28.680 clearly makes a ton of sense because you know, compare 128 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:31.079 the cost of any form of transport. 129 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:34.080 Where if you have to throw away the item afterwards, 130 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:36.759 like if you've got if you have to if every 131 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:38.919 time you drove somewhere you have to throw away the car, 132 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:42.759 you'd be wow, that's a that's a that's a that's 133 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:44.840 a crazy car where you have to throw away after 134 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:46.000 every every. 135 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.240 Time you drive it. But that's how it works for 136 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:55.120 for rockets, So that is really yeah, I don't think 137 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:58.240 I want to be driving a car if yeah, to 138 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:00.200 buy a new car every time you drove somewhere and 139 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:02.120 you have to tow another car behind you for the 140 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.360 return journey. 141 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:12.000 Elan, what does he? Yeah, yeah, so talk about the impossible, Elan. 142 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.960 What does a self sustaining city on Mars actually look like? 143 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.759 How many people, what kind of economy, what kind of governance? 144 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.600 Well, uh, that that'll that'll governance will be up to 145 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:29.679 the Martians. But you know, we we have some sort 146 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:34.279 of artist impressions of what Mars said he would look like, uh, 147 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:39.559 the and I don't really know to be honest, you know, 148 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.480 except that Mars is not yet at the point where 149 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:50.039 we're sort of terrified. We live outdoors, so you have 150 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:56.080 to live initially in bars domes or something like that. 151 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.320 And and then you can you can walk outside with 152 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:02.840 a Mars suit, but you could you could not walk 153 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:19.000 outside without a Mars suit. So yeah, it's uh. But 154 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:22.799 I just also said, like, maybe explain for those who 155 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:25.679 haven't heard of like like why why why is it 156 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:31.120 worth doing something like this? What what's the purpose of Mars. 157 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.559 Shouldn't we just focus on Earth? And I'm like, yeah, 158 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.399 I think we should focus on Earth. Like ninety of 159 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:39.120 what we do should we focused on Earth, but maybe 160 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:43.600 one percent of what we do should be should be 161 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:49.039 focused on on becoming a space for civilization in a 162 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:54.879 multiplane species, because it's for there's that depends of argument 163 00:10:54.919 --> 00:11:03.559 where it's you know, it's it's it's if something would 164 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:08.879 have happened to Earth and that destroyed civilization. This could 165 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:11.320 be World War three, or it could be a meteor 166 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:14.440 like one that destroyed the dinosaurs, then we want to 167 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:18.200 make sure that the tiny candle of consciousness that exists 168 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:25.799 with humanity does not go out. And so there's I 169 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:28.000 think it's important to be a multiplant species to ensure 170 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.000 the long term survival of consciousness and all and all 171 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:34.039 the life forms that that we we have here on Earth. 172 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:38.919 So and you know, the the other life forms can't 173 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:43.799 extend life to another planet, but but we we can 174 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:45.399 do it for them. We can we can bring there. 175 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:53.000 And it's clear I'm an optimist. I mean, I think 176 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:55.240 the most likely outcome is that the future will be good, 177 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:57.840 but there's a small chance that the future that that's 178 00:11:57.840 --> 00:11:59.960 something will go wrong, and if so, we don't want 179 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:02.960 to the light of consciousness to go out on that, 180 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:05.240 you know, we want we want a light of conscious 181 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:08.200 light of consciousness to continue. So that's kind of the 182 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:10.519 defensive argument, and then the then there's also the sort 183 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:14.639 of the the the sort of the the inspiration argument, 184 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:19.639 which is that life can't be just about solving one 185 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:26.000 sort of miserable problem. Ar you about the future that 186 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.200 make you, that make you excited to be alive and 187 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:32.120 make you, you know, you wake up in the morning, you're like, 188 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:33.960 I can't wait to see what happens. They have any 189 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:47.159 things like that too, and what they learn everyone on Earth, 190 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:50.919 just like the Apollo program was inspiring to everyone on Earth, 191 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:53.440 whether you went there. Obviously very few people went there, 192 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:57.120 but but it was in a way we all vicariously 193 00:12:57.159 --> 00:13:00.000 went to the Moon and it was a great achievement 194 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.440 to humanity and it was very inspiring to people all 195 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:08.559 around the world. So and you're learning more about the 196 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:12.000 nature of the universe and seeing what's happening out there. 197 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.039 Even if you don't go yourself, it's still very it's 198 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:18.080 very inspiring. So that, yeah, I think those were all 199 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:20.320 things that matter a lot. 200 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:24.559 Yeah, I mean it's truly truly inspiring what SpaceX and 201 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.360 even Tesla are doing. 202 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:29.480 Do you ever foresee SpaceX? 203 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:35.600 Uh? 204 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:36.240 Hello? 205 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:41.120 Yeah? Are you there? Are you there? 206 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.000 Sorry? Guys, if you're talking to me, I cannot hear you? 207 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:47.080 All right? Do you want to go check with? Can 208 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:48.679 you hear me? Do you want to go check with? Noah? 209 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:49.279 Real quick? 210 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:51.519 Yeah? 211 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:52.039 That's right? 212 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:57.120 Can you hear us? Elon? Should I make a joke 213 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:00.919 out of this or not? Can you hear me now? Elon? 214 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:04.679 Yeah? 215 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:09.080 The audio Hopefully we back in seconds, but bear with 216 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:14.960 us as we navigate this. At least Elon's still there 217 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:17.320 with the perseverance. 218 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:26.600 Rover check, check, John check. Can you hear me? Can 219 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:26.960 you hear me? 220 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.399 Are we back? Well? 221 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:31.480 I don't think we can hear him. 222 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:31.759 Guys. 223 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:40.600 People are waving at you, Elon if you can't see them. 224 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:46.480 But yeah, sorry about these audio difficulties. Hopefully we can 225 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:49.279 get this up and run on you. 226 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:50.240 Are you there? 227 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:51.440 Can you hear me? 228 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:51.960 Yeah? 229 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:55.240 Okay, I was gonna ask you to dance while you 230 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.559 were waiting silently, but you know, I figured we'd wait 231 00:14:58.600 --> 00:14:58.799 for that. 232 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:02.159 I'm joking. What did you do? Did you hear what 233 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:03.120 I said earlier? 234 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.559 Yeah, we did, and that I think yeah, yeah for sure. No, 235 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:09.200 So we were what the what the question was is 236 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.559 we were asking do you think that SpaceX is eventually 237 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:13.679 going to go interstellar? 238 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:15.279 Is there a plan? 239 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:26.039 So? Uh yeah, I'm probably not in my life, but 240 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:33.759 probably have time, but yes, eventually, Elon, can you hear me, 241 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:37.480 I can hear yes. Okay, let's talk about Robotaxi. 242 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:40.480 How do you see the Robotaxi platform coexisting with the 243 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:43.519 rest of Tesla's lineup? Will replace the Model three? 244 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:57.840 And why? Well, this cyber cap which is a two 245 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:02.440 seater and that would they would not replace the tree 246 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:05.240 and why? Because and why? I have four seater and 247 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:10.440 six se cabildy, So I think you'd find that the 248 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:15.200 cyber cab would be for one or two passengers and 249 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:19.240 then dynamically it would call the Model three Model three 250 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:24.519 or why four passengers or why for six packages? And 251 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.279 you know, and they will the large vehicles. I mean 252 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:37.879 this this is not the forum for making make product announcements. Uh. Uh, 253 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:42.399 to be totally honest, so I gotta be you know, 254 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:44.600 a little careful here about what I say. 255 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:46.279 We got you? 256 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:49.759 Uh, does Tesla plan on owning a large fleet of 257 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:53.480 robotaxis and then when will private citizens be able to 258 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:54.960 go on the Tesla network? 259 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:03.279 Uh? Yes, will own some of the Uh the fleet 260 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:05.680 will be Tesla owned and some of the fleet will 261 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.920 be customer owned. So you could think of it as 262 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.759 a model kind of like maybe some combination that we 263 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:16.960 were in AIRBND, where you know, some people own the 264 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:19.079 cars and then add the sort of track them to 265 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:23.119 the fleet, and and some cars are owned by Tesla 266 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:25.400 uh directly. 267 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:33.359 So if Robotaxi succeeds elon, how how does Tesla navigate 268 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:35.640 the paradox of making the best cars in the world 269 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:44.839 but also possibly needing fewer of them. 270 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:50.000 Well, you, guys, I think it's something me to answer 271 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:53.359 questions because this is a publicly traded company and so 272 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:59.119 you know, this is the most interesting questions you'd want 273 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:01.759 to ask me all the questions I can really answered. 274 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:05.839 No, yeah, of course, no, we definitely don't want to 275 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.599 put you on the spot there. So I think you 276 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:12.880 posted a week or two ago about and even Lars 277 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:17.200 mentioned it about just the roadster program and how it's 278 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:19.839 still active. What can you tell us about its current 279 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:21.119 development status? 280 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:32.160 Well, we're aiming for a demonstration at the end of 281 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:37.920 the year. I mean, the roadster is not something that 282 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:42.119 spoke to meaningfully effect to the financials of the company. 283 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:48.160 There's two small relatives to other programs, so it is 284 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:54.720 very cool. Hopefully we're able to do your demore. But 285 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:56.640 early next lays. 286 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:09.680 You said that Optimists could be more valuable than Tesla's 287 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:16.960 entire automotive business. What's what's the roadmap from where we 288 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:18.759 are today to widespread deployment? 289 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:24.599 You know, again, you're really asking me for questions that 290 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:32.480 are highly sensitive to the value of the company, and so, uh, 291 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:43.839 that's not really something I can answer. The current version 292 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:48.799 three of options, I think it's right design to go 293 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:56.000 to volume production, but it is a significant redesign from 294 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:03.240 version two, so in fact, almost nothing stays the same. 295 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:08.359 So I really faced the choice of should we make 296 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:13.839 several thousand versions two optus robots when we know the 297 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:18.720 design can be much better, or should we pose to 298 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:25.039 verse three, which is much better? And you know, and 299 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:28.799 we're maybe have I don't know, a few hundred robots 300 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:31.880 instead of a few thousand robots by the end of 301 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:35.200 the year. And I think the right decision was to 302 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:40.359 go with version three and then scale production significantly next year. 303 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:50.000 Now it turns up the value of optimists. You really 304 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:54.920 need to think of the basic question of who who 305 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:59.119 wouldn't want their own possible C three po R two 306 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.039 D two. I think I think we're dealing with that. 307 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:04.119 I mean, let's ask the crowd. Would you guys like 308 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:10.920 you guys wanted optimistic? Yeah, yeah, exactly, very would be 309 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:17.480 very cool. And it would actually be, by the way, 310 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:22.359 much better than in functionality than three pot two, so 311 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:26.039 it would be super useful. So I think basically everyone 312 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:30.359 on Earth is gonna want one, and and then you're 313 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:35.680 gonna have a bunch of industry. So that's why I 314 00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:43.079 think it's probably it's probably product because there's at least 315 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:47.799 a market for probably twenty billion these made based it 316 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:52.240 could be fifty billion. I don't know a line. So 317 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:00.759 you know, hypothetically, if Test was making a billion of 318 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:04.880 these here at scale, and at scale of the cost 319 00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:09.480 gets lower and lower, So maybe like on the order 320 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:16.359 two thousand dollars I'm just guessing. And you know that's 321 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:17.880 that's thirty trillion in revenue. 322 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:20.319 Insane. 323 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:23.559 Uh, you know, that's a long long way to go 324 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:30.440 between here and making a billion provots here. Yeah, but 325 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:33.519 I do think something like that may happen. 326 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:39.799 Yeah, what would you say is Optimist is going to 327 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:42.160 have the biggest impact on Do you think it's going 328 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:46.920 to start obviously in manufacturing like or what not? Not 329 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:49.799 necessarily timeline, but like where do you see optimists having 330 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:50.640 the biggest impact? 331 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:02.079 Well, initially it would go to very high value your things. 332 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:09.680 So say somebody needs a lot of medical care some 333 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:15.720 some thing, so like if you know, I'll be like 334 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:20.160 a twenty four hour a day nurse or helper to 335 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:26.240 someone that is quarter politic or something like that, you know, 336 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:31.920 or something it just really it needs physical help. So 337 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:35.400 that's the kind of thing which would be life changing 338 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:40.400 for a lot of people. Those would be the highest 339 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:48.200 value initial use cases. There will also be use in 340 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:55.880 situations where it's, uh, the work is very dangerous so 341 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:03.079 or where there's a lot of repetitive tasks, But like 342 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:08.160 any any work that's that's that's risk spline or some 343 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:12.240 kind of injury would be a good initial use case 344 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:13.680 for Optimist. 345 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:19.680 When you look ahead in ten years, what's more transformative 346 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.200 full self driving or optimist. 347 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:24.720 Optimist? 348 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:31.119 It seems like that was an easy one. 349 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:36.279 You've well, and I do. It sounds like it's very 350 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:41.480 hard to do. So it's not like it just it's 351 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:47.880 so I think, yeah. 352 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.480 Yeah, I see you're drinking some good old diet coke. 353 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:51.200 By the way, shout out to those. 354 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.680 You've hinted that we may reach digital super intelligence this 355 00:24:56.759 --> 00:24:59.559 year or next. How will we know that we've crossed 356 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:02.759 that line? And what does one of a G What 357 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:05.240 does day one of a G I really look like? 358 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:11.160 Well, I'm not sure it's like a a massive. It 359 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:22.279 may be less profound then I'd be some fun will 360 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.640 be less profound. They were like, hey, I have not 361 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:34.920 done yet is new technologies that are useful? So uh, 362 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:38.680 it hasn't hasn't discovered new business and it has not 363 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:42.160 invented technologies that are useful. But I think that is 364 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.440 something that that that that that will happen. 365 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:52.720 Yeah, m If Grock becomes smarter than any human, what 366 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:57.160 role do we play? Are we co pilots, overseers or 367 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:58.359 just legacy code? 368 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:11.200 Well, we weren't just wrong. Uh, there will be many 369 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.279 that there will be at least I think for major 370 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:24.759 y guys, maybe five just in the United States. And 371 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.680 so even if was not developed there would still be 372 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:40.640 digital superintelligence. And I've been fighting the yeah, putting quersonally 373 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.599 start driving hard on digital super intelligence for a long 374 00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:47.759 time because I would if this is a double edged 375 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:52.759 order signal disord or what. But it became very obvious 376 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.720 after a while that this was going to happen, whether 377 00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.960 I anticipated or not, so they fall I had a 378 00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:06.039 choice of either be a spectator or a participant, but 379 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.759 that it was going to happen with or without me. 380 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:16.079 So then I think we'll rather be a participant than 381 00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:22.039 a spectator, and I can focus on a I safety 382 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.880 which in my view, and I've thought about this a 383 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:31.160 long time, is that the most important thing for AI 384 00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:37.839 sayet is to be maximally truth seeking, which means often 385 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:42.559 like saying things that are maybe politically incorrect but actually 386 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:49.200 actually correct, and also maybe there will be mistakes that 387 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.440 are made, then admitting the mistakes and taking correct taking 388 00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:58.000 corrective action. And Croxel has a long way to go 389 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.599 to a true seeking But I think this is also 390 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:08.920 consistent with UH inventing new technologies, UH, you know, solving 391 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:14.240 medical problems. You know, you know, if you want to 392 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.680 if you want to cure cancer, you have to be 393 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.480 actually too CP to understand what the brickpos is for example. 394 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.920 So that's so I think that's actually very fundamental both 395 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:34.960 for safety and for useful notes. And yeah, so another 396 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.440 the economy of the future, I think it's going to 397 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:44.279 look uh, sort of quite different from where it is today. 398 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.920 And I am robotics in the good scenario, which we're 399 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:57.440 working towards here trying to ensure makes that we do 400 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:03.480 have the good scenario, there will be no shortage products 401 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:09.079