Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, wasn't it great to hear from Lars. You
Speaker 1: can just tell he he loves what he's doing, and
Speaker 1: that really just comes through when you talk to him.
Speaker 1: Somebody else that loves what they do is our next
Speaker 1: pseudo surprise. We announced it what an hour or something ago.
Speaker 1: You might know him. He's a guy named Elon. Maybe
Speaker 1: you've heard of him. He's got a couple followers on
Speaker 1: this platform called X. I don't know, you know some
Speaker 1: new guy. No Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla, will
Speaker 1: be joining us virtually here momentarily and to chat with
Speaker 1: him for second or third year in a row, now, gosh,
Speaker 1: second year in a row. Please welcome back of course,
Speaker 1: John and Calvin from the Tesla Owners Club of Silicon Valley.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go have fun, guys.
Speaker 3: Man, the race horses out there all was causing a
Speaker 3: Ruckus family friendly event.
Speaker 4: Guys, crazy, what a day? What a day.
Speaker 3: So obviously, thank you so much to Lars and Steve
Speaker 3: for coming on here.
Speaker 4: And I believe we have Elon On.
Speaker 3: So it's just a matter of I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: just bringing him on the screen and stuff.
Speaker 4: Wha.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually kind of looks like Mars in some ways.
Speaker 2: Perseverance Is that a cap right there too, it's a
Speaker 2: posseverance rover on Mars.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, first off, Elon, thanks for coming to the X
Speaker 3: takeover formerly a test Let's take over for the second
Speaker 3: year in a row.
Speaker 2: Hi, welcome.
Speaker 3: Well let's let's kick things off. Let's start off, start
Speaker 3: off with you know, really your baby, the Starship. Starship
Speaker 3: is the most ambition is rocket ever built. What's been
Speaker 3: harder than expected? And what's the next milestone we should
Speaker 3: watch for?
Speaker 2: Well, I thought everything would be hard, so it's not
Speaker 2: like it was like.
Speaker 4: It would be easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, Starship is is a crazy program
Speaker 2: on so many levels. Because if you've got something with
Speaker 2: two and a half and future versions will be three
Speaker 2: times the thrust of the Saturn by Ron rocket, which
Speaker 2: was previously largest rocket and largest playing object ever made.
Speaker 2: So Starship is you know, three times thrust, roughly twice
Speaker 2: the weight of the next largest playing object haven't made,
Speaker 2: and has the goal of being fully and rapidly reusable.
Speaker 2: So this is a this is a really crazy thing too.
Speaker 2: I think it's really one of the hottest engineering challenges
Speaker 2: that exists. And you know, when we first started talking
Speaker 2: about Starship, people thought this was impossible. In fact, even
Speaker 2: within the company, we we sort of thought it was impossible,
Speaker 2: and it had a very high sort of work called
Speaker 2: gigle factor. You know, you mentioned the thing and people
Speaker 2: immediately start giggling, like at the absurdity of it all.
Speaker 2: So now, but now it's gone from uh as say
Speaker 2: we you know, I guess I specialize in the going
Speaker 2: from the impossible to the merely late. So that's my skill.
Speaker 2: It was impossible and now it's just late. So uh
Speaker 2: And I encourage anyone who's interested to go and visit
Speaker 2: star Base in South Texas. It's like a magical land
Speaker 2: with gigantic rockets. I think some of you would Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's inane, but it's very inspiring. It's like I take
Speaker 2: take breaths of family. It's on a major highway, so
Speaker 2: you can see things quite us up and really gets
Speaker 2: a sense for the scale of the of the rocket
Speaker 2: and the factory and everything. So it's it's very cool.
Speaker 2: I guess the thing that I thought would be hottest
Speaker 2: currently is the hottest, which is the creating a fully
Speaker 2: reusable obital heat shield, which has never been done before.
Speaker 2: So normally the heat shields are they're they're expendable, and
Speaker 2: even say for the Shuttle heat shield, they would lose
Speaker 2: many of the tiles on every flight and they have
Speaker 2: to refurbish the heat shield between each flight, so it's
Speaker 2: it's never no one has ever created a fully reasonable
Speaker 2: obital heat shield before, and no one, no one has
Speaker 2: created a fully reusable obital rocket before. And Falcon nine
Speaker 2: is the first rocket where there's at least the boostage
Speaker 2: is reusable on a regular basis and where it actually
Speaker 2: makes economic sense. So so so, solving the heat shield
Speaker 2: problem is i think probably the single biggest remaining challenge
Speaker 2: for Starship, and and of course getting the upper stage
Speaker 2: for the ship to land and also get caught by
Speaker 2: the giant metal chopsticks, which looks looks like a sci
Speaker 2: fi movie. That looks it looks like an improbable sci
Speaker 2: fi movie. The whole thing.
Speaker 4: Chop sticks literally catturing it, catching it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, giant metal chopsticks. That's it's pretty well to be
Speaker 2: catching the largest ling object ever made with metal chop
Speaker 2: sticks out of there. So then the but I'm hopeful
Speaker 2: that the ship will be will be recover maybe this year,
Speaker 2: but certainly let's say in the first half of next year,
Speaker 2: and then there'll be further improvements to make the ship
Speaker 2: and the boost not just reusable, but fully and rapidly reusable,
Speaker 2: which will actually drop the cost for a flight cost
Speaker 2: per ton of payload of starship below that of a
Speaker 2: Falcon one rocket of an expendable Falcon one, so that
Speaker 2: getting one hundred tons or more to orbit a useful
Speaker 2: payload will cost less than a rocket that would ordinarily
Speaker 2: deliver half a ton that was Falcon one. And it's
Speaker 2: because all you're doing is replacing the fuel and oxygen
Speaker 2: in the rocket as opposed to bullying a new rocket,
Speaker 2: and most of the propellant is actually oxygen, not fuel.
Speaker 2: It's but it's almost eighty percent oxygen twenty percent fuel.
Speaker 2: Then the next big technology challenge, after being able to
Speaker 2: achieve full use of the pull reuse of the ship,
Speaker 2: is orbital refilling, where where we actually refiel propellant from
Speaker 2: from over like like like Aerial refueling in this case
Speaker 2: is orbital refilling. I say refilling, not refueling, because most
Speaker 2: of what's transferred is actually liquid oxygen as opposed to fuel.
Speaker 2: So for orbital refilling. You you need to have two
Speaker 2: starships come together and dark and transfer propellant from one
Speaker 2: starship to another and then and then in the future
Speaker 2: to an orbit obitable propellant depot. Yeah, so that's that's
Speaker 2: the situation.
Speaker 4: Doesn't sound hard to just show.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is very feeble. There's nothing nothing is
Speaker 2: nothing impossible is being talked about here, but it is.
Speaker 2: It is very tricky to do, and and and no
Speaker 2: other organization is even trying to do this. It's like,
Speaker 2: so I'm like, well, who else is trying to do this?
Speaker 2: Will love it? You Actually, so, in fact, even after
Speaker 2: all these years, there's still a company that's reusing a booster.
Speaker 2: So uh, no one's even tried to do Balcon nine
Speaker 2: level reusability, even even though we've shown that that it
Speaker 2: clearly makes a ton of sense because you know, compare
Speaker 2: the cost of any form of transport.
Speaker 5: Where if you have to throw away the item afterwards,
Speaker 5: like if you've got if you have to if every
Speaker 5: time you drove somewhere you have to throw away the car,
Speaker 5: you'd be wow, that's a that's a that's a that's
Speaker 5: a crazy car where you have to throw away after
Speaker 5: every every.
Speaker 2: Time you drive it. But that's how it works for
Speaker 2: for rockets, So that is really yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: I want to be driving a car if yeah, to
Speaker 2: buy a new car every time you drove somewhere and
Speaker 2: you have to tow another car behind you for the
Speaker 2: return journey.
Speaker 6: Elan, what does he? Yeah, yeah, so talk about the impossible, Elan.
Speaker 6: What does a self sustaining city on Mars actually look like?
Speaker 6: How many people, what kind of economy, what kind of governance?
Speaker 2: Well, uh, that that'll that'll governance will be up to
Speaker 2: the Martians. But you know, we we have some sort
Speaker 2: of artist impressions of what Mars said he would look like, uh,
Speaker 2: the and I don't really know to be honest, you know,
Speaker 2: except that Mars is not yet at the point where
Speaker 2: we're sort of terrified. We live outdoors, so you have
Speaker 2: to live initially in bars domes or something like that.
Speaker 2: And and then you can you can walk outside with
Speaker 2: a Mars suit, but you could you could not walk
Speaker 2: outside without a Mars suit. So yeah, it's uh. But
Speaker 2: I just also said, like, maybe explain for those who
Speaker 2: haven't heard of like like why why why is it
Speaker 2: worth doing something like this? What what's the purpose of Mars.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't we just focus on Earth? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we should focus on Earth. Like ninety of
Speaker 2: what we do should we focused on Earth, but maybe
Speaker 2: one percent of what we do should be should be
Speaker 2: focused on on becoming a space for civilization in a
Speaker 2: multiplane species, because it's for there's that depends of argument
Speaker 2: where it's you know, it's it's it's if something would
Speaker 2: have happened to Earth and that destroyed civilization. This could
Speaker 2: be World War three, or it could be a meteor
Speaker 2: like one that destroyed the dinosaurs, then we want to
Speaker 2: make sure that the tiny candle of consciousness that exists
Speaker 2: with humanity does not go out. And so there's I
Speaker 2: think it's important to be a multiplant species to ensure
Speaker 2: the long term survival of consciousness and all and all
Speaker 2: the life forms that that we we have here on Earth.
Speaker 2: So and you know, the the other life forms can't
Speaker 2: extend life to another planet, but but we we can
Speaker 2: do it for them. We can we can bring there.
Speaker 2: And it's clear I'm an optimist. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: the most likely outcome is that the future will be good,
Speaker 2: but there's a small chance that the future that that's
Speaker 2: something will go wrong, and if so, we don't want
Speaker 2: to the light of consciousness to go out on that,
Speaker 2: you know, we want we want a light of conscious
Speaker 2: light of consciousness to continue. So that's kind of the
Speaker 2: defensive argument, and then the then there's also the sort
Speaker 2: of the the the sort of the the inspiration argument,
Speaker 2: which is that life can't be just about solving one
Speaker 2: sort of miserable problem. Ar you about the future that
Speaker 2: make you, that make you excited to be alive and
Speaker 2: make you, you know, you wake up in the morning, you're like,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what happens. They have any
Speaker 2: things like that too, and what they learn everyone on Earth,
Speaker 2: just like the Apollo program was inspiring to everyone on Earth,
Speaker 2: whether you went there. Obviously very few people went there,
Speaker 2: but but it was in a way we all vicariously
Speaker 2: went to the Moon and it was a great achievement
Speaker 2: to humanity and it was very inspiring to people all
Speaker 2: around the world. So and you're learning more about the
Speaker 2: nature of the universe and seeing what's happening out there.
Speaker 2: Even if you don't go yourself, it's still very it's
Speaker 2: very inspiring. So that, yeah, I think those were all
Speaker 2: things that matter a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's truly truly inspiring what SpaceX and
Speaker 3: even Tesla are doing.
Speaker 4: Do you ever foresee SpaceX?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Are you there? Are you there?
Speaker 2: Sorry? Guys, if you're talking to me, I cannot hear you?
Speaker 4: All right? Do you want to go check with? Can
Speaker 4: you hear me? Do you want to go check with? Noah?
Speaker 2: Real quick?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That's right?
Speaker 4: Can you hear us? Elon? Should I make a joke
Speaker 4: out of this or not? Can you hear me now? Elon?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: The audio Hopefully we back in seconds, but bear with
Speaker 3: us as we navigate this. At least Elon's still there
Speaker 3: with the perseverance.
Speaker 4: Rover check, check, John check. Can you hear me? Can
Speaker 4: you hear me?
Speaker 2: Are we back? Well?
Speaker 4: I don't think we can hear him.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 4: People are waving at you, Elon if you can't see them.
Speaker 3: But yeah, sorry about these audio difficulties. Hopefully we can
Speaker 3: get this up and run on you.
Speaker 4: Are you there?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna ask you to dance while you
Speaker 3: were waiting silently, but you know, I figured we'd wait
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 2: I'm joking. What did you do? Did you hear what
Speaker 2: I said earlier?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did, and that I think yeah, yeah for sure. No,
Speaker 3: So we were what the what the question was is
Speaker 3: we were asking do you think that SpaceX is eventually
Speaker 3: going to go interstellar?
Speaker 4: Is there a plan?
Speaker 2: So? Uh yeah, I'm probably not in my life, but
Speaker 2: probably have time, but yes, eventually, Elon, can you hear me,
Speaker 2: I can hear yes. Okay, let's talk about Robotaxi.
Speaker 6: How do you see the Robotaxi platform coexisting with the
Speaker 6: rest of Tesla's lineup? Will replace the Model three?
Speaker 2: And why? Well, this cyber cap which is a two
Speaker 2: seater and that would they would not replace the tree
Speaker 2: and why? Because and why? I have four seater and
Speaker 2: six se cabildy, So I think you'd find that the
Speaker 2: cyber cab would be for one or two passengers and
Speaker 2: then dynamically it would call the Model three Model three
Speaker 2: or why four passengers or why for six packages? And
Speaker 2: you know, and they will the large vehicles. I mean
Speaker 2: this this is not the forum for making make product announcements. Uh. Uh,
Speaker 2: to be totally honest, so I gotta be you know,
Speaker 2: a little careful here about what I say.
Speaker 4: We got you?
Speaker 3: Uh, does Tesla plan on owning a large fleet of
Speaker 3: robotaxis and then when will private citizens be able to
Speaker 3: go on the Tesla network?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yes, will own some of the Uh the fleet
Speaker 2: will be Tesla owned and some of the fleet will
Speaker 2: be customer owned. So you could think of it as
Speaker 2: a model kind of like maybe some combination that we
Speaker 2: were in AIRBND, where you know, some people own the
Speaker 2: cars and then add the sort of track them to
Speaker 2: the fleet, and and some cars are owned by Tesla
Speaker 2: uh directly.
Speaker 6: So if Robotaxi succeeds elon, how how does Tesla navigate
Speaker 6: the paradox of making the best cars in the world
Speaker 6: but also possibly needing fewer of them.
Speaker 2: Well, you, guys, I think it's something me to answer
Speaker 2: questions because this is a publicly traded company and so
Speaker 2: you know, this is the most interesting questions you'd want
Speaker 2: to ask me all the questions I can really answered.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, of course, no, we definitely don't want to
Speaker 3: put you on the spot there. So I think you
Speaker 3: posted a week or two ago about and even Lars
Speaker 3: mentioned it about just the roadster program and how it's
Speaker 3: still active. What can you tell us about its current
Speaker 3: development status?
Speaker 2: Well, we're aiming for a demonstration at the end of
Speaker 2: the year. I mean, the roadster is not something that
Speaker 2: spoke to meaningfully effect to the financials of the company.
Speaker 2: There's two small relatives to other programs, so it is
Speaker 2: very cool. Hopefully we're able to do your demore. But
Speaker 2: early next lays.
Speaker 3: You said that Optimists could be more valuable than Tesla's
Speaker 3: entire automotive business. What's what's the roadmap from where we
Speaker 3: are today to widespread deployment?
Speaker 2: You know, again, you're really asking me for questions that
Speaker 2: are highly sensitive to the value of the company, and so, uh,
Speaker 2: that's not really something I can answer. The current version
Speaker 2: three of options, I think it's right design to go
Speaker 2: to volume production, but it is a significant redesign from
Speaker 2: version two, so in fact, almost nothing stays the same.
Speaker 2: So I really faced the choice of should we make
Speaker 2: several thousand versions two optus robots when we know the
Speaker 2: design can be much better, or should we pose to
Speaker 2: verse three, which is much better? And you know, and
Speaker 2: we're maybe have I don't know, a few hundred robots
Speaker 2: instead of a few thousand robots by the end of
Speaker 2: the year. And I think the right decision was to
Speaker 2: go with version three and then scale production significantly next year.
Speaker 2: Now it turns up the value of optimists. You really
Speaker 2: need to think of the basic question of who who
Speaker 2: wouldn't want their own possible C three po R two
Speaker 2: D two. I think I think we're dealing with that.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's ask the crowd. Would you guys like
Speaker 2: you guys wanted optimistic? Yeah, yeah, exactly, very would be
Speaker 2: very cool. And it would actually be, by the way,
Speaker 2: much better than in functionality than three pot two, so
Speaker 2: it would be super useful. So I think basically everyone
Speaker 2: on Earth is gonna want one, and and then you're
Speaker 2: gonna have a bunch of industry. So that's why I
Speaker 2: think it's probably it's probably product because there's at least
Speaker 2: a market for probably twenty billion these made based it
Speaker 2: could be fifty billion. I don't know a line. So
Speaker 2: you know, hypothetically, if Test was making a billion of
Speaker 2: these here at scale, and at scale of the cost
Speaker 2: gets lower and lower, So maybe like on the order
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars I'm just guessing. And you know that's
Speaker 2: that's thirty trillion in revenue.
Speaker 4: Insane.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, that's a long long way to go
Speaker 2: between here and making a billion provots here. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I do think something like that may happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what would you say is Optimist is going to
Speaker 3: have the biggest impact on Do you think it's going
Speaker 3: to start obviously in manufacturing like or what not? Not
Speaker 3: necessarily timeline, but like where do you see optimists having
Speaker 3: the biggest impact?
Speaker 2: Well, initially it would go to very high value your things.
Speaker 2: So say somebody needs a lot of medical care some
Speaker 2: some thing, so like if you know, I'll be like
Speaker 2: a twenty four hour a day nurse or helper to
Speaker 2: someone that is quarter politic or something like that, you know,
Speaker 2: or something it just really it needs physical help. So
Speaker 2: that's the kind of thing which would be life changing
Speaker 2: for a lot of people. Those would be the highest
Speaker 2: value initial use cases. There will also be use in
Speaker 2: situations where it's, uh, the work is very dangerous so
Speaker 2: or where there's a lot of repetitive tasks, But like
Speaker 2: any any work that's that's that's risk spline or some
Speaker 2: kind of injury would be a good initial use case
Speaker 2: for Optimist.
Speaker 6: When you look ahead in ten years, what's more transformative
Speaker 6: full self driving or optimist.
Speaker 2: Optimist?
Speaker 4: It seems like that was an easy one.
Speaker 2: You've well, and I do. It sounds like it's very
Speaker 2: hard to do. So it's not like it just it's
Speaker 2: so I think, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see you're drinking some good old diet coke.
Speaker 4: By the way, shout out to those.
Speaker 3: You've hinted that we may reach digital super intelligence this
Speaker 3: year or next. How will we know that we've crossed
Speaker 3: that line? And what does one of a G What
Speaker 3: does day one of a G I really look like?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure it's like a a massive. It
Speaker 2: may be less profound then I'd be some fun will
Speaker 2: be less profound. They were like, hey, I have not
Speaker 2: done yet is new technologies that are useful? So uh,
Speaker 2: it hasn't hasn't discovered new business and it has not
Speaker 2: invented technologies that are useful. But I think that is
Speaker 2: something that that that that that will happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, m If Grock becomes smarter than any human, what
Speaker 6: role do we play? Are we co pilots, overseers or
Speaker 6: just legacy code?
Speaker 2: Well, we weren't just wrong. Uh, there will be many
Speaker 2: that there will be at least I think for major
Speaker 2: y guys, maybe five just in the United States. And
Speaker 2: so even if was not developed there would still be
Speaker 2: digital superintelligence. And I've been fighting the yeah, putting quersonally
Speaker 2: start driving hard on digital super intelligence for a long
Speaker 2: time because I would if this is a double edged
Speaker 2: order signal disord or what. But it became very obvious
Speaker 2: after a while that this was going to happen, whether
Speaker 2: I anticipated or not, so they fall I had a
Speaker 2: choice of either be a spectator or a participant, but
Speaker 2: that it was going to happen with or without me.
Speaker 2: So then I think we'll rather be a participant than
Speaker 2: a spectator, and I can focus on a I safety
Speaker 2: which in my view, and I've thought about this a
Speaker 2: long time, is that the most important thing for AI
Speaker 2: sayet is to be maximally truth seeking, which means often
Speaker 2: like saying things that are maybe politically incorrect but actually
Speaker 2: actually correct, and also maybe there will be mistakes that
Speaker 2: are made, then admitting the mistakes and taking correct taking
Speaker 2: corrective action. And Croxel has a long way to go
Speaker 2: to a true seeking But I think this is also
Speaker 2: consistent with UH inventing new technologies, UH, you know, solving
Speaker 2: medical problems. You know, you know, if you want to
Speaker 2: if you want to cure cancer, you have to be
Speaker 2: actually too CP to understand what the brickpos is for example.
Speaker 2: So that's so I think that's actually very fundamental both
Speaker 2: for safety and for useful notes. And yeah, so another
Speaker 2: the economy of the future, I think it's going to
Speaker 2: look uh, sort of quite different from where it is today.
Speaker 2: And I am robotics in the good scenario, which we're
Speaker 2: working towards here trying to ensure makes that we do
Speaker 2: have the good scenario, there will be no shortage products
Speaker 2: and services or anyone like basically anyone will be able
Speaker 2: to have any product systems they want. That's the product
Speaker 2: that he gains from a Robotics are just astounding to
Speaker 2: think about it, Like I think, I think it could
Speaker 2: increase decides the economy by a factor of ten or
Speaker 2: more like, it will eliminate poverty, and it really will
Speaker 2: be any situation where anyone can have anything they want.
Speaker 2: The bigger challenge may be finding meaning in life. So
Speaker 2: ifone can do anything that you can do, but maybe better,
Speaker 2: how do you find meaning in life? That's that maybe
Speaker 2: the biggest job.
Speaker 3: When you think of the fact, you know, you mentioned
Speaker 3: that you know you've been holding off on, you know,
Speaker 3: really getting involved, whether it's you know, participating versus being
Speaker 3: a spectator. And when you're thinking of the next couple
Speaker 3: of years of like let's say, not necessarily catching up,
Speaker 3: but just doubling down and really focusing on it, what
Speaker 3: are going to be your biggest focus points?
Speaker 2: Really, it's making it useful and making it safe for humanity,
Speaker 2: and making love humanity especially I behave you know, you
Speaker 2: want to to be useful friendly, So the most important things.
Speaker 2: I've never seen any technology advanced as fast as AI. So,
Speaker 2: and I've seen a lot of technologies advanced. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: rate of I well, and maybe this is a discomforting metaphor,
Speaker 2: but AI is a a supersonic tsunami.
Speaker 4: Does not sound fun, But yeah, it sounds it.
Speaker 2: Sounds a little scary in that way, but it's in
Speaker 2: terms of maybe in terms of exceeding prior technologies, it's
Speaker 2: like supersonic me. And you really do need to compare
Speaker 2: AI with robotics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it's crazy just how much it's
Speaker 3: advanced in just the past year two years, and and
Speaker 3: seeing how kids are using it, looking at using Grock
Speaker 3: four Grock voice the companions. Now, mhm, I think you've
Speaker 3: answered this before, But what would what keeps you up
Speaker 3: at night when you think of the future of AI
Speaker 3: and now that you're doubling down and really just going
Speaker 3: wartime mode right now on just tackling this these issues.
Speaker 4: What is uh, what is something that keeps you up
Speaker 4: at night?
Speaker 2: Well? AI safety and making sure the AI is aligned
Speaker 2: with humidity and ones too, fuster grow and better humanity
Speaker 2: and yeah, basically we want to be like if you could,
Speaker 2: if you look into a crystal ball now and see
Speaker 2: the future, it used to be the future one and
Speaker 2: so uh, I mean I have this kind of like
Speaker 2: new term or the goal of test because the goal
Speaker 2: TEST previously was accelerating the advancement of sustainable energy, just
Speaker 2: like a very good goal. And then the reason I
Speaker 2: pursued that rather than AI, because I could have pursued
Speaker 2: from the beginning, was because I was confident that that
Speaker 2: sustainable energy was a single edge store only like it
Speaker 2: was only a good edge, you know, so we shure that, Okay,
Speaker 2: we succeed in that, Like, okay, that's that's definitely good
Speaker 2: stainable energy. My definition is great if you're a cleaner
Speaker 2: air and you know, and I can run out of
Speaker 2: whatever this closet fuel is, uh, with with combinations solar
Speaker 2: batteries and electric cars, then that's like that's an equipment
Speaker 2: good yah. Yeah for AI. Like I said this, it
Speaker 2: is more of a double ed sword risk, but I
Speaker 2: think it most likely will be good and most likely
Speaker 2: will bring immense prosperity, and you know, it's gonna figure
Speaker 2: out how to cure every disease and uh it's it's
Speaker 2: probably gonna be awesome. But I think we need to
Speaker 2: be careful and not complacent and and we've actually be
Speaker 2: somewhat paranoid to make sure that we have the good
Speaker 2: AI future not the bad AI future. So I mean
Speaker 2: from front from a Tesla's box standpoint, I just start
Speaker 2: with autonomous autonomous cars and especially with with optimises go
Speaker 2: TWI to sort of crazy levels. I'd always recommend, like
Speaker 2: looking at Kathy Would and Argus a balnsis there, they've
Speaker 2: been right in the past, and I think they're right
Speaker 2: this time and again with a lot of difficult execution.
Speaker 2: I think there are people out there said, well, Tessa's
Speaker 2: evaluation could be twenty five trillion, and I think that
Speaker 2: that's probably correct. If we execute well on autonomous transport
Speaker 2: and Optimus, it actually does get to a twenty to
Speaker 2: thirty killion dollar evaluation. That's twenty to thirty times what
Speaker 2: it is saying.
Speaker 4: Everyone's cheering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the math is math is here. So it's
Speaker 2: just it's just a massive amount of work. And but
Speaker 2: but I but like, I think you can do that
Speaker 2: massive amount of work. That's what happened, Kaylon.
Speaker 6: Let's talk about neuralink. You've described neuralink in the past
Speaker 6: as a way to solve the input output bottleneck between
Speaker 6: humans and machines, right, h what's the long term vision?
Speaker 6: Is neuralink a medical company or is it the first
Speaker 6: step towards symbiosis with aika.
Speaker 2: It's it's also as a medical technology, So neural links
Speaker 2: initial goals are really true help people, uh who have
Speaker 2: say quarter plea caetriplegic situation, they've lost the use of
Speaker 2: their body, and to be able to enable them to
Speaker 2: control their boner computer just by thinking. And I think
Speaker 2: we make eight patients so far, and all eight love
Speaker 2: the advice and are using it every day. So it's
Speaker 2: it's helped a lot of people. And I think we're
Speaker 2: test a team. The newerally team is aiming to do
Speaker 2: about twenty patients by the end of the year, so
Speaker 2: it's tolerating, and then next year we'll be doing the
Speaker 2: blind site implement which will enable people who are completely blind,
Speaker 2: like if they've lost both eyes and optic gove and
Speaker 2: still be able to see they're facing directly with one fourteen.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of cool things like that. So
Speaker 2: the folks essentially is fixing serious medical issues and prove
Speaker 2: out the safety and efficacy, and then eventually at some
Speaker 2: point you could get cybernetic announcements, so it could could
Speaker 2: be something that massively augments intelligence and allows you to
Speaker 2: communicate at ultra high speeds. So it it's very sci fi,
Speaker 2: and you can get to the point where you could
Speaker 2: upload your memories uh and and essentially have a staved
Speaker 2: version of yourself. And then I'm speculating here, but but
Speaker 2: but then maybe download that into uh a new on
Speaker 2: a clothe body, either robot I'm really getting into sci
Speaker 2: fi here, but but like I'll load that into a
Speaker 2: robot body if you want, or a cloned version of
Speaker 2: your original cell. You know that they certainly made sci
Speaker 2: fi movies written books about this, so these are not
Speaker 2: new ideas, but I do think stuff like that will
Speaker 2: be possible, which would give you, I guess, a form
Speaker 2: of or anybody wants it, a form of immortality. And
Speaker 2: to be clear, I do think these things will be
Speaker 2: available to anyone who wants to do it, So it's
Speaker 2: not going to be sort of limited to a few
Speaker 2: sort of you know, uh, elite out of a society,
Speaker 2: and I think it will be available to anyone who
Speaker 2: wants to.
Speaker 3: It's crazy just to think, you know, with neuralink, Grock,
Speaker 3: the Grock Opinion, and even the humanoid robot.
Speaker 4: How do you do you see?
Speaker 3: I mean, it just feels like more and more, whether
Speaker 3: it's Grock, the Grow companion, and then neuralink. I know,
Speaker 3: we did an interview with Brad, who is the third
Speaker 3: patient who has als and he was also utilizing GROC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you what do you see?
Speaker 3: Continuing to see that integration between let's say near Link
Speaker 3: and even even Grock as things continue to grow, Yeah, Grow.
Speaker 2: Will actually be able to understand those signals from you.
Speaker 2: So the neural links take me to your brain and
Speaker 2: then sending the signals to Grog and then actually understand
Speaker 2: those signals at kind of like a binary level as
Speaker 2: opposed to having to translate it. In words and so
Speaker 2: greatly improve the efficiency with which you can use your
Speaker 2: neural link device. Like it's so that, I mean, we're
Speaker 2: really getting into some interesting philosophical questions or interesting questions,
Speaker 2: like if you think about how much your mental see
Speaker 2: your mind is used to take a complex thought or
Speaker 2: image in your mind and translate that into words, and
Speaker 2: it's and it's very lasting, because how can you really
Speaker 2: pusworth words convey say the image that you have in
Speaker 2: your mind. It's very difficult to do so. And and
Speaker 2: if you're not, like if you're an artist, it's actually
Speaker 2: very difficult to actually get the image from your mind
Speaker 2: onto computer or paper. But the computer could do that.
Speaker 2: You could say, okay, this is the image that you
Speaker 2: want to produce, and we'll listen. Like there's a complex
Speaker 2: series of concept that you want to convey to someone else,
Speaker 2: and if both people have a new link, you'll be
Speaker 2: able to convey a complex series of ideas, uncompressed in
Speaker 2: their full form to someone else's mind, as opposed to
Speaker 2: reducing complex concepts down to a few sentences and trying
Speaker 2: to get someone else to hear what those sentences are,
Speaker 2: decompress those sentences in their mind and try and try
Speaker 2: to understand the concepts that are in your mind. So
Speaker 2: this is why I call it conceptual telepathy. So this
Speaker 2: would greatly improve communication and understanding between humans.
Speaker 3: You've mentioned restoring vision and mobility, but the idea of
Speaker 3: writing to the brain too.
Speaker 2: Sorry. So it's like, basically, if there's if there's any
Speaker 2: sense or brain injury, and principle that sensory function or
Speaker 2: that brain injury can be sold with a neural link.
Speaker 2: So that includes uh, carring side smell o people, but
Speaker 2: not people lost their sense of smell, but feeling. It
Speaker 2: could be like if somebody hasn't stroke and they've lost
Speaker 2: the ability to move that arm, a neural link could
Speaker 2: restore that ability. It's it's really a very powerful general
Speaker 2: purpose input output device that can address, you know, over time,
Speaker 2: any brain or a logo issue. So having seizures, it
Speaker 2: could actually stop the seizures. It could I think probably
Speaker 2: fixed schizoprenia. Like it's like a lot of there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things that could like in principle, can fix
Speaker 2: basically anything that's to do with the brain or neurons
Speaker 2: or your senses.
Speaker 3: Is there anything that would be like, is there a
Speaker 3: most difficult problem to solve in that space then, because
Speaker 3: technically a lot of it could be solved. Is there
Speaker 3: something that would maybe you would see bigger blockers on
Speaker 3: trying to solve As far as fixing those problems.
Speaker 2: I'm not aware blockers right now. It's just that when
Speaker 2: you're putting devices and humans, yeah, very capital and to
Speaker 2: make sure that uh, no damage is done and is
Speaker 2: the implant works and without any negative side effects and
Speaker 2: so far uh you know, knock on wood, we're betting
Speaker 2: the house here and and and yeah, well patients of
Speaker 2: the devices of work and there no meaningful side effect.
Speaker 2: So that's it's it's really just yeah, it's pretty cool,
Speaker 2: but it's just in order to be saved that does
Speaker 2: low us down. And of course we we interact c
Speaker 2: culosely with the with the d A and for for
Speaker 2: approvals and stuff. So it's it's not just uh yeah
Speaker 2: we were like vacuum here, it's it's with regula from
Speaker 2: the f t A so uh. And and then you
Speaker 2: do need different fairvariance of neural link device for solving
Speaker 2: different things. So for example, for uh for the lethopy product,
Speaker 2: just what we have in the eight patients so far
Speaker 2: that interfaces with the motor cortex in the brain. So
Speaker 2: it's like like literally it's someone will think about gibbing
Speaker 2: their hand, neural link device will read that signal in
Speaker 2: the motor cortex and then move the mouse on you
Speaker 2: on their computer. And then for site it's a different
Speaker 2: thing because you've got to stimulate the visual cortex, and
Speaker 2: the visual cortex is in a different location and it's
Speaker 2: it's a little deeper, so you've got so you've got
Speaker 2: to put the electrodes a little bit deep, deeper to
Speaker 2: reach the visual cortex. And in this case, it's it's
Speaker 2: a it's not reading, it's writing. It's it's effectively writing
Speaker 2: pixel to the visual cortex. This is something we've had
Speaker 2: working in monkeys for about three years now. In fact,
Speaker 2: one of our monkeys has both a telepathy implant and
Speaker 2: a blind side implant and he's a very happy monkey.
Speaker 2: I do want to emphasize we take uh great care
Speaker 2: of our animals. This is a really big deal because
Speaker 2: I've always said, like, imagine if we were in that position, well,
Speaker 2: let's just do all the things that if that if
Speaker 2: we're in that position, we do. And the USA inspector
Speaker 2: that came by to check out opportunities. She said, in
Speaker 2: her entire career career, she's never seen a nicer monkey
Speaker 2: enclosure ever. And let me tell you, monkeys love for
Speaker 2: the lefty implant. Monkeys are just like us. They love
Speaker 2: playing video games and eating snacks. So if if you look,
Speaker 2: if you look at that video of Pageer, I g.
Speaker 2: It's like four years old. Now you see, he's just
Speaker 2: he's just sitting on a branch, uh, sipping a banana
Speaker 2: smoothie which he gets every time he spoils. He gets
Speaker 2: a snip of a smoothie, and he's not being held
Speaker 2: down like he likes playing the game. So just really
Speaker 2: just like humans, like Mike, snacks and video games. Yes,
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 3: One question I have, how does like building a humanoid
Speaker 3: robot and neuralink intersect if at all?
Speaker 4: I mean, what are the learnings from that? Is there
Speaker 4: any overlap?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I've just building a human robot has really
Speaker 2: made me think a lot about how the human body works.
Speaker 2: You gain your appreciation for actually just how awesome that
Speaker 2: design the human body is. Now literally you know, I
Speaker 2: think some parts of the human body could be better,
Speaker 2: like the spine, Like why do we have storage back pain,
Speaker 2: it's very annoying.
Speaker 4: Maybe don't fight sumo wrestlers, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, Doug going great, but you know, yeah, typically
Speaker 2: you know, everyone has back pain at some point in
Speaker 2: their life, which is also the thing your link consult,
Speaker 2: so that'd be cool too. But no, your optimists really
Speaker 2: made me think a lot about how our hands work,
Speaker 2: how we balance, how we do different things. But maybe
Speaker 2: more than anything, just how incredible our hands are. There.
Speaker 2: It's like, wow, things that our hands do, like the
Speaker 2: hands postumus are half or more than half of the
Speaker 2: electro mechanical problem, and the entire rest of the bodies
Speaker 2: is a half. Wow.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and it's like, honestly, you look at your hands,
Speaker 2: you're like any movement and if you can, if you
Speaker 2: feel your forearm, like the almost all the muscles that
Speaker 2: control your hand are actually in your forearm and and
Speaker 2: and and they're pulling your fingers like like puppets. So yeah,
Speaker 2: there's only a small number of muscles that are in
Speaker 2: that in your hand itself. Your hand is a controlled
Speaker 2: through tendant that go either or among your pupple tunnel,
Speaker 2: and Johanna is being operated like marrying it from the Foreman. Yeah.
Speaker 4: One thing that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's crazy how much the human body,
Speaker 3: whether it's like you know, Tesla vision going you know,
Speaker 3: just trying to see what kind of like similar to
Speaker 3: how humans view the world, right and getting rid of
Speaker 3: the radar, and then same thing with the humanoid robot
Speaker 3: and just you know, thinking and seeing how the human
Speaker 3: body works. Is there anything more specifically even within the
Speaker 3: human body that will continue to infer whether it's the
Speaker 3: humanoid robot And it sounds like obviously the hand is
Speaker 3: the big one of the biggest problems.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but are there other parts of the body too
Speaker 4: that that would.
Speaker 3: Continue to help infer other parts the humanoid robot or
Speaker 3: again it's just yeah, with Tesla vision and eyesight.
Speaker 2: Well, with Optimists, we're able to re use the autopilot commuter.
Speaker 2: So Optimists is uh intelligence power by the apho h
Speaker 2: same computer that controls the car and you know, a
Speaker 2: small battery back that's unlikes the car battery back, So
Speaker 2: there's a lot of carris with the car okay uh.
Speaker 2: And then the AI that's in the car is as
Speaker 2: similar to the AI that will be an Optimist running
Speaker 2: into the a I fo hardware and then a have
Speaker 2: hardware when that's ready.
Speaker 8: So there's a lot of pels, but the limiting factor
Speaker 8: is the hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm against that. Optimism will be the biggest
Speaker 2: product ever. Yeah, and then of course Autonomy is starting
Speaker 2: to roll out Karlin, but will be in many cities
Speaker 2: and throughout the United States later this year and hopefully
Speaker 2: many countriesanks year. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Here in the Bay Area, we have a bunch of fomo.
Speaker 3: Everyone's looking at Austin right now. I can tell you
Speaker 3: I always whenever I opened that ROBOTAXI app. Man, it
Speaker 3: just the geo fence, just the figurine is insane.
Speaker 2: That's funny. I mean, you're gonna have some fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: don't take yourself too seriously type of thing.
Speaker 6: Let's switch and talk about X. You've called X and
Speaker 6: here we are at X Takeover. You've called everything app.
Speaker 6: But it's still in a transitional phase. What exactly do
Speaker 6: you want to be in five years?
Speaker 2: I mean, is definitely improving. It's it's evolved a lot
Speaker 2: from Twitter. You only have like, you know, short text
Speaker 2: tweets and like two minute videos to the point where
Speaker 2: now you can have like more hour videos and you
Speaker 2: can write a novel if you want on a system.
Speaker 2: So it's it's gone through a fully multimodal from long
Speaker 2: videos to long text anything in between. And we're currently
Speaker 2: really improving the DM system. So the new system called
Speaker 2: x chat, which audio video calling. It's all fully encrypted
Speaker 2: period peer style like bitpoint. And that's the test is
Speaker 2: that even if somebody uh puts the gun to my head,
Speaker 2: I still can't read your messages. That's the test. So
Speaker 2: it's like very secure and and and also like you
Speaker 2: calling and and and video with it. And then there's
Speaker 2: the kind of X money or expance release, which is
Speaker 2: hope hopefully only a few months away we actually have
Speaker 2: it operating, invade it within the company, and that that
Speaker 2: will be a major factor. So been excess as much
Speaker 2: as possible, ensuring freedom, like freedom of speech within the
Speaker 2: as much as we can within the bounced flow. And
Speaker 2: you know, also like aspiration trying to reach for the
Speaker 2: truth of things, like you see that in community notes,
Speaker 2: where community notes will correct someone, even if they're very powerful.
Speaker 2: Community community notes will correct me. It will correct president CEOs,
Speaker 2: even major advertisers, and even if that costs money. So
Speaker 2: I think it's generally there's a lot of good things
Speaker 2: that have happened. We're trying to the algorithm, which we
Speaker 2: know it kind of sucks right now, Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: I actually enjoy it, but okay, okay, good.
Speaker 3: Well, some days are crazier than others, like when the
Speaker 3: geofens expanded and some of these other things.
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I don't know. If you have any opinions,
Speaker 4: tell them.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry your voice was a bit lower. I couldn't
Speaker 2: be a question.
Speaker 4: Oh, I was saying.
Speaker 3: The algorithm can be crazy some days, especially like when
Speaker 3: the robo taxi geofens expanded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have anther watching. Goal of the
Speaker 2: algorithm is trying to show people information they would find
Speaker 2: most interesting. But right now it'll show you too much
Speaker 2: of one thing. Yes, if the sort of interesting thing
Speaker 2: of the day is right now, the ext algorithm will
Speaker 2: show you too much of that, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I don't need to see it twenty times, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I think I've seen, like the studies we
Speaker 2: need jeans thing about four hundred times this long, and
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, the first few times was good, but
Speaker 2: we shouldn't show things like one hundred times because because
Speaker 2: you want to hear paims so exs making study progress
Speaker 2: being offering. Yeah, pretty much checking you'd want to do.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I feel good about where it's head.
Speaker 3: Payments were we've all I know, we're waiting on that
Speaker 3: and just you know, thinking about even PayPal too. It's
Speaker 3: crazy just what Fate loves Irony doing x dot com
Speaker 3: back in what the late nineties and then full force
Speaker 3: buying it, you know, years back, and now now you're
Speaker 3: doing payments again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a sort of poetic and or or returning
Speaker 2: to something that we're sort of unfinished with PayPal and
Speaker 2: completing the product. One.
Speaker 6: What role do you think rock and x AI play
Speaker 6: in the future of x Is it just a feature,
Speaker 6: a core intelligence layer or does that change how people
Speaker 6: experience the platform?
Speaker 2: Yeah, grow I think it's pretty helpful because that that
Speaker 2: grock button. But you can press about any given posts
Speaker 2: on the system, and it's analysis of the post. It's
Speaker 2: usually quite accurate. It isn't bad a thousand, but it's
Speaker 2: really gives you keep your insight into any given piece
Speaker 2: of information that somebody posts on the system. You can
Speaker 2: figure out what context U helps you figure out if
Speaker 2: it's true or not. And we actually just added Crock
Speaker 2: role advertising on the system, so you can you can
Speaker 2: press the Crock button and see this ad. Does this
Speaker 2: product can work? Or is it? Uh? Is this productal
Speaker 2: legit or not? Which I kind of always wanted to
Speaker 2: hap on ads. You know, it's like, this thing really work?
Speaker 2: That's what I want to ask a lot of ads,
Speaker 2: And now on the X system you can ask this
Speaker 2: thing really works? I guess advertisings were Grock says it
Speaker 2: doesn't really work. I'm probably not going to advertise very long.
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll encourage better honesty and advertising, which I think
Speaker 2: is a good thing. But we're just generally trying to
Speaker 2: make excess system that you can trust more than any
Speaker 2: othersism and I think I think it is there already.
Speaker 2: It's just not say that X is perfect. It's definitely mistakes.
Speaker 2: But is there any social media company you trust more
Speaker 2: than X? No? Nope. So it's like I'm not trusting
Speaker 2: Page Book, you know. So I'm not to pick on Facebook,
Speaker 2: but you know, I think it's actually probably fair to
Speaker 2: to day that X is the most trustworthy or least
Speaker 2: untrustworthy of social networks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that became very apparent just when you saw,
Speaker 3: like when you just compare of like the news during
Speaker 3: COVID and things being censored. Yeah, and you know, just
Speaker 3: you come to X and you can find out what's
Speaker 3: really happening. Yeah, and it's real time. It's really like
Speaker 3: the I would say, the you know, the world's discourse
Speaker 3: in town Square, Right. It can sometimes be a fistfight,
Speaker 3: if like, but at the same time, it's just you know,
Speaker 3: where you can find out what's really going.
Speaker 2: On, right, And that's the goal, and I do want size.
Speaker 2: Obviously there's a long way to go. It's far from perfect,
Speaker 2: but I do think it's getting better over time. And yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes two steps toward, one step back. But the trend
Speaker 2: of a time I think is very good for X
Speaker 2: being the place where you can figure out what's really
Speaker 2: going on in the world, to get to the truth,
Speaker 2: and you can ask Rock more. You go to learn
Speaker 2: a lot of things, so you can ask if there's
Speaker 2: a new thing that's invented or announced, you can ask
Speaker 2: Rock on the system more about it and instantly educate yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I've been.
Speaker 2: And then we monitor when GROC gets things wrong, and
Speaker 2: then we feed that, we feed that back into the
Speaker 2: system to make it aspirational less wrong over time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really just crazy to think. You know, when
Speaker 3: you talk to GROC and you can ask it for
Speaker 3: just things that in your timeline, Hey make a post
Speaker 3: sound like me on this topic or you want it's
Speaker 3: pretty fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we already actually aiming for GROCK to be
Speaker 2: the actually interesting. Two gold are for GROCK to be
Speaker 2: the most true seeking AI, but also the funniest AI,
Speaker 2: because you've gotta have some fun in life, and you know, uh,
Speaker 2: laughter is the best medicine you gotta you gotta have
Speaker 2: some fun.
Speaker 3: Y elon, you've predicted a world of abundant energy, robotic
Speaker 3: labor and a g I uh with AI and optimists
Speaker 3: doing you know, potentially a lot of things and reducing
Speaker 3: the amount of things that we're doing today. What do
Speaker 3: you think is left for humans? And really what does
Speaker 3: that mean for in the world of artificial superintelligence?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's inesting I struggle with. Actually, this is part
Speaker 2: of the reasons for your line, which is two improve
Speaker 2: the band communication with AI so to help achieve a
Speaker 2: better human AI smiosis so that you know, AI knows
Speaker 2: what we want and it can respond to collective human
Speaker 2: will and I think things like you really can actually
Speaker 2: effectively dramatically increased our intelligence. But I think the cuture
Speaker 2: is very much one where human intelligence, machine intelligence, and
Speaker 2: robots are interwoven. I think said, I think it's eighty
Speaker 2: maybe ninety percent likely to be awesome, but we've got
Speaker 2: to be quocious about that, you know, ten percent maybe
Speaker 2: not asome situation like Terminator. Yeah, I mean seriously, that's
Speaker 2: you know, stuff like that would be that.
Speaker 6: What's your vision for a society where human effort is
Speaker 6: no longer required for survival or productivity? How do we
Speaker 6: avoid irrelevance?
Speaker 2: Right? I think the central question, well, if you are
Speaker 2: symbiotic with AI, where we there's this essentially a human
Speaker 2: machine intelligence, then we may be able to address the
Speaker 2: relevance question. You know, like, let's say you uh ride
Speaker 2: a bicycle or a motorcycle or a car. You're you're
Speaker 2: a super human and what you're able to do. You
Speaker 2: can now travel faster than any human with legs. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're a car, you can go faster faster than
Speaker 2: the fastest human.
Speaker 3: Ever.
Speaker 2: Does that make funning irrelevant? I mean you'll still run
Speaker 2: and race against each other. So but but you've got
Speaker 2: to humans working with machines. I mean they actually had
Speaker 2: these kind of debates when the Zeam engine came along,
Speaker 2: and then the trouble It's like, well, because people drive
Speaker 2: a lot of their value from saying that they can
Speaker 2: do manual cast the machine, and then the machine got.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: But this is a philosophical question that I struggle with,
Speaker 2: and the best thing I came up with is that
Speaker 2: you have inter open human machine intelligence and UH got
Speaker 2: something like your link to open in human intelligence and
Speaker 2: improve the symbiosis with AI that that we effectively become
Speaker 2: maybe one with the ail.
Speaker 3: You are sorry, the audience was about to clap and
Speaker 3: I start talking, but elon you. You know you're you're
Speaker 3: solving uh. I guess in a lot of ways is
Speaker 3: sometimes you say you know a lot of problems, and
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways you're creating a very exciting
Speaker 3: future with reusable rockets, the mission to Mars with Starship,
Speaker 3: with the humanoid robots, and how it's gonna just the
Speaker 3: impact that.
Speaker 4: It'll have and near Link and seeing the impact on
Speaker 4: Nolan and Brad.
Speaker 3: What what gives you hope for today, not just for
Speaker 3: humanity and civilization but personally.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the future is going to be very
Speaker 2: interesting and exciting, and and I guess I think what
Speaker 2: I want to be at any other point in human history?
Speaker 2: Is there some other point in human history that that
Speaker 2: is more interesting than where we are today? And I
Speaker 2: think that's there's no at least for me. I think
Speaker 2: we're the most interesting part of human ditty, and it's
Speaker 2: getting more interesting with each passing mode. And so that's okay. Well,
Speaker 2: if I'm in, if I'm in the auto history, that
Speaker 2: that is the most interesting, then I think, you know,
Speaker 2: anyone feels that way, and I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people feel that way. That we should feel very lucky
Speaker 2: to be alive at this time to see these amazing
Speaker 2: things happen.
Speaker 4: Well, Elon, we wanted to do a time check.
Speaker 2: But also I better get back to my eight jobs.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, you're not a busy man at all.
Speaker 3: But we just Kelvin and I we just want to
Speaker 3: on behalf of test owners of Silicon Valley, test Owners
Speaker 3: Austria sand Looking Valley and really just all the fifteen
Speaker 3: hundred people that traveled.
Speaker 4: From all over the world.
Speaker 3: We just want to personally just say thank you for
Speaker 3: all you're doing and thank you for continuing to push
Speaker 3: humanity forward.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a whole bunch of people here just cheering.
Speaker 4: So thank you for all you're doing.
Speaker 2: Thank you well, and and thank you for your support
Speaker 2: over the years. I super appreciate it. And I would
Speaker 2: say my heart goes out to you, but I have
Speaker 2: to watch my.
Speaker 4: We know what you mean.
Speaker 2: I can only point straight ahead or straight up. Hey,
Speaker 2: so we want but anyway, and thank you all for
Speaker 2: your sport over the years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we just had one thing that we wanted
Speaker 4: to present to you.
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Speaker 7: T O SV and uh the presenting sponsors Haha. Yes,
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Speaker 7: meaningful and really, you know, these last few months have
Speaker 7: obviously been quite tumultuous for you, and so we really
Speaker 7: got creative and really, uh yeah, we wanted to create
Speaker 7: you something special, and so I'm going to read you
Speaker 7: something basically. You know, Elon, you brought electric cars back
Speaker 7: from the dead, you made clean energy cool, you made
Speaker 7: rockets reusable, You're going to take us to Mars. You
Speaker 7: spent billions to buy Twitter and save free speech. You
Speaker 7: stopped running your empire to work for the US government
Speaker 7: for free, to reduce wasteful spending, to save the country
Speaker 7: from bankruptcy.
Speaker 2: Right, and I took a few rs for that one.
Speaker 4: Clear, and and and and how and how were you thinked?
Speaker 7: It's like you were betrayed. You were you were mocked,
Speaker 7: attacked by the very people who once cheered you on
Speaker 7: your name, dragged through the mud, your cars vandalized, your
Speaker 7: motives questioned. But that's not the full story, as I
Speaker 7: imagine many here what a test. So there are millions
Speaker 7: of people who see you for who you are, people
Speaker 7: whose lives you've touched and changed, people who believe in
Speaker 7: what you're building, people who love you and have your back.
Speaker 2: Thank you, so yeah, thank you,