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Speaker 2: doctor William West. Doctor William, thank you for coming on today.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me long. I go by Bill
Speaker 3: most commonly, and I will tell your audience I'm a
Speaker 3: cancer specialist. I'm a physician, and I'm delighted to be
Speaker 3: able to share you some insight that I have with
Speaker 3: regard to the science of creation.
Speaker 2: Well that's awesome. Well, for those that are not familiar
Speaker 2: with you, could you just give us a little background,
Speaker 2: like what was your specialty, where you went to school,
Speaker 2: how you kind of got into this space, and introduce
Speaker 2: your book.
Speaker 3: Also, Well, my mother died of breast cancer when I
Speaker 3: was twenty two, and that pretty well set my path.
Speaker 3: I went to Harvard College and then I graduated from
Speaker 3: Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, and my favorite university was
Speaker 3: the National Cancer Institute, where I did my training in
Speaker 3: cancer medicine. And so I have my whole career has
Speaker 3: been dedicated to trying to understand cancer and see if
Speaker 3: we can develop more effective treatments. So I have a
Speaker 3: cancer center here in Memphis. It's called the West Cancer Center,
Speaker 3: and we do quite a bit of care for this region,
Speaker 3: for Western the ce Missouri, Arkansas, and Mississippi.
Speaker 2: So that's awesome.
Speaker 3: You took.
Speaker 2: A tragic moment in your life and used it to
Speaker 2: motivate yourself to try to figure it out and avoid
Speaker 2: someone else in the future to having that same experience.
Speaker 2: So that that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a journey, and I wish the journey
Speaker 3: were over. I wish we were curing everybody with breast cancer,
Speaker 3: but we've made a lot of progress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just amazing. Well, you, honestly, you've authored a
Speaker 2: book that even the title is very intriguing, called Sacred Science. Yes,
Speaker 2: How did this come about and what spurred this motivation
Speaker 2: for this book?
Speaker 3: Well, probably three or four years ago, I read this
Speaker 3: growing movement among young people who declared themselves as none
Speaker 3: not Catholic nuns, but o inne in other words, no faith,
Speaker 3: because they believed in science as their best touchstone for reality.
Speaker 3: And that made me curious. I thought, well, what what
Speaker 3: science are they sing? And that then launched me over
Speaker 3: into trying to understand what they were trying to understand.
Speaker 3: And it was actually a really wonderful journey. I began
Speaker 3: to realize we could understand the creation of this universe.
Speaker 3: And you know, we've all heard of the Big Bang.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of evidence today for the Big Bang,
Speaker 3: this incredible, instantaneous for release of unimaginable energy at a
Speaker 3: single point in space. But that Big Bang delivered a package.
Speaker 3: And in that package, I see what I call eight blueprints.
Speaker 3: They're all mathematics. God is an unimaginable mathematician. But mathematic
Speaker 3: was over my head, so I decided to just call
Speaker 3: them blueprints. And they beg with something we're mostly familiar with,
Speaker 3: the equals mc squared. Energy and matter are different forms
Speaker 3: of the same thing, and then go on through the
Speaker 3: different forces and so forth. If we didn't have all
Speaker 3: eight of these blueprints, we wouldn't be here, and not
Speaker 3: a single one of them is by accident. And by
Speaker 3: just looking at that, I thought, what a wonderful revelation.
Speaker 3: It's a revelation from science of the reality of God.
Speaker 3: And that's why I wanted to write the book and
Speaker 3: title it Sacred Science.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really cool, because honestly, I'm the type of person.
Speaker 2: I just finished my first book this year, and I
Speaker 2: even talked a little bit about that because I was
Speaker 2: talking about kind of the big Foot phenomenon and how
Speaker 2: even science has terms and stuff to talk about this
Speaker 2: type of stuff, and it's called hypertrixosis. People that are
Speaker 2: born covered in hair from head to toe. And you
Speaker 2: got all the accounts for the freak shows and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, the carnival side shows and things like that.
Speaker 2: That's who those people were. And I said in the
Speaker 2: book too many times, I think, as far as the
Speaker 2: Christian community is concerned, we have this huge hardline in
Speaker 2: the sand. It's either you are on science's side that
Speaker 2: contradicts the word of God, or you're with the word
Speaker 2: of God that contradicts science, and I'm one of those guys.
Speaker 2: I like to stay with one foot in order and
Speaker 2: one foot in chaos in the country. Usually the truths
Speaker 2: in the middle, and you're.
Speaker 3: Absolutely I think the truth is the science is an
Speaker 3: additional revelation of God. None of it is accidental. It's
Speaker 3: all planned. And you know, I could go through those
Speaker 3: eight blueprints. I'll give you one example. It's something called
Speaker 3: the Higgs field, which I doubt if you or your
Speaker 3: listeners have heard much about, but it fills the entire
Speaker 3: universe and it has its own particle called the Higgs
Speaker 3: boson because one day Peter Higgs looked at an equation
Speaker 3: and said, you know, if this equation or reality, it
Speaker 3: would explain our universe is physical.
Speaker 2: That would be it's got something to do with plasma.
Speaker 2: I think I talked with doctor Greg Little. He's mentioned
Speaker 2: this Boson field and like plasma.
Speaker 3: Well you could probably he probably just taught about the
Speaker 3: same thing. And if it weren't for this Higgs field,
Speaker 3: the universe would not have physical objects. Because this Higgs
Speaker 3: field delivers what we call mass in ass we think
Speaker 3: a bit more as weight. You know, the Earth's pull
Speaker 3: on our weight pull on our mass. Rather it determines
Speaker 3: our weight. And so we realize from the single equation
Speaker 3: that this entire universe has been filled with this special
Speaker 3: field of activity to be sure we have a physical universe.
Speaker 3: And that just really led to my curiosity in terms
Speaker 3: of so Peter Higgs read this equation and understood what
Speaker 3: it might mean. Where does that equation spend eternity? And
Speaker 3: that then took me way back when a fellow called
Speaker 3: Plato who had a theory of higher dimensions and ideal forms,
Speaker 3: and I think the Higgs field is a classic example
Speaker 3: of an ideal form, and therefore it makes me believe
Speaker 3: in these higher dimensions libraries created by God bok to
Speaker 3: steer the development of the universe and then to steer
Speaker 3: the development of life in the five man species that
Speaker 3: have happened on this earth. So that's my way of
Speaker 3: trying to understand how the universe was created and how
Speaker 3: it then gave birth to life into this wonderful raised
Speaker 3: species that we see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I tell people, Like I said in
Speaker 2: that book, I was like, my opinion is science is
Speaker 2: man's way of trying to define and put God in
Speaker 2: a box and try to explain you know God. That's
Speaker 2: the way of whether they realized or not, they're seeking God,
Speaker 2: but they're just trying to explain this infinite being in
Speaker 2: this fine night little brain of ours, trying to put
Speaker 2: labels and things like that on it.
Speaker 3: You are correct, But you know, I really wrote the
Speaker 3: book for myself because I wanted to understand it more clearly,
Speaker 3: and it was a fun experience. I don't know how
Speaker 3: long it took you to write a book. It took
Speaker 3: me three years.
Speaker 2: That took me to.
Speaker 3: You're smarter than I you and you know, when I
Speaker 3: finished it, I felt like I had a much better
Speaker 3: understanding myself of the creation of the universe, the creation
Speaker 3: of life. We all know we live in this world
Speaker 3: of DNA, and we had no idea where DNA came from,
Speaker 3: by the way, so it just showed up and we
Speaker 3: sort of take it for granted. It's remarkable, and I
Speaker 3: love to comment from Bill Gates, who was a founder
Speaker 3: of Microsoft, there's no way we could have developed an
Speaker 3: information containing molecule that could match DNA, and so that
Speaker 3: gives me some idea of I don't think we think
Speaker 3: of DNA as divine, because we all have some much
Speaker 3: of it in our bodies. And incidentally, we reproduce our
Speaker 3: DNA at tree in times a day. That's how That's
Speaker 3: how much energy it takes to to build a messenger
Speaker 3: system and ourselves so they know what to do and
Speaker 3: energize our brain so we can have this conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's something too, like I think it was
Speaker 2: Paul in Romans talked about, you know, we are without
Speaker 2: an excuse, you know, even the rocks and creation itself
Speaker 2: screams out and proclaims, you know, the creator. And that's
Speaker 2: something that I, honestly, Bill, I understood when I was
Speaker 2: a little boy. I grew up in church, you know,
Speaker 2: my whole life, and I remember a conversation with my grandmother.
Speaker 2: Well she remembers it and and told me about it.
Speaker 2: But one day she said, the taking me to school,
Speaker 2: I was just staring out the window, and she said,
Speaker 2: what are you thinking about over there? And I said, ah,
Speaker 2: just how beautiful you know Earth is? Everything is just
Speaker 2: beautiful and it's so perfect. How can anybody look around
Speaker 2: and not believe in a creator that you know, built this.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's good logic and I totally agree
Speaker 3: with it, and that motivated me to write sacred science,
Speaker 3: because we the mistake we might make is look at
Speaker 3: that science and think somehow it was an accident or
Speaker 3: a product of a human mind. And when you really
Speaker 3: understand it and you realize how those eight blueprints work together,
Speaker 3: how without all eight of them we wouldn't exist, then
Speaker 3: you realize what an amazing mind we had behind our creation,
Speaker 3: behind this universe and behind life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and honestly, it's just it's systems within systems within systems.
Speaker 2: It's so perfect. I mean, it's like gears. You know,
Speaker 2: if one gear was missing that the watch wouldn't work.
Speaker 2: And that's how it is here on Earth.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: It's like there's I believe in coincidences. I believe in accidents,
Speaker 2: but when it takes you know, trillions and trillions of
Speaker 2: perfect accidents lining up at the perfect time, right, you know,
Speaker 2: you got to start to give way a little bit
Speaker 2: and say there's something more to this.
Speaker 3: I began to look at these eight blueprints I'm talking
Speaker 3: about as works of art. I mean, each one of
Speaker 3: them is like an incredible painting, and no human being
Speaker 3: could have come up with any one of them, by
Speaker 3: the way, But to see all eight of them and
Speaker 3: to understand them, and I don't understand them fully, but
Speaker 3: to realize how they work as a team and make
Speaker 3: this world happen, make this earth happen, make life happen.
Speaker 3: It's pretty complimentary to our beliefs and our religion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it should excite you, you know, when you
Speaker 2: find this stuff, it should just put you in awe.
Speaker 2: And I think I can't remember the verse, but in
Speaker 2: the Bible, you know, it talks about, you know, the
Speaker 2: beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord. But
Speaker 2: when you go into the heat, that word doesn't mean fear,
Speaker 2: It means awe, to be in pawe. So when you
Speaker 2: look at creation and bind these things, and like you
Speaker 2: went on a three year journey, I love how you
Speaker 2: use that term because that's what I say on the show.
Speaker 2: You know, we are all on the hero's journey. And
Speaker 2: writing that my book was a journey in itself. So
Speaker 2: but finding these things, it just reaffirms your faith and
Speaker 2: it brings you closer to God. And I love people
Speaker 2: like you and your book because you are equipping Christians
Speaker 2: to better not only defend their faith, but to successfully
Speaker 2: witness to other people. Because we have so many people
Speaker 2: that just good people. I'm not bashing them, but they
Speaker 2: just they went to church for forty fifty years and
Speaker 2: listened to the same pastors, repeat the same stories, and
Speaker 2: they believe everything in the faith, but they have no
Speaker 2: way to explain why they believe what they believe. It's
Speaker 2: just blind faith. So things like this really equipped body
Speaker 2: of Christ.
Speaker 3: I believe there's this feeling somehow, and I don't know
Speaker 3: actually when it began. I think probably with Darwin, that
Speaker 3: science and faith conflict, that they're enemies. And then I
Speaker 3: realized to the contrary, science is an alternative revelation of God.
Speaker 3: We see him in Scripture, and then we see him
Speaker 3: again in this incredible series of blueprints that built this
Speaker 3: wonderful universe, and it's affirmative and you realize that, and
Speaker 3: actually Genesis does a pretty good job of explaining quite
Speaker 3: a bit of this. But then you realize what we
Speaker 3: see today and what we understand in science is just
Speaker 3: an elaboration and all a gift from God and all
Speaker 3: the confirmation of our faith.
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Speaker 2: walk us through, man, what are Of course, I don't
Speaker 2: want you to give away the whole book. I want
Speaker 2: these guys to go and contribute to your work and
Speaker 2: check it out. But uh, walk us through some of
Speaker 2: your revelations, things that you found if you want to
Speaker 2: go into more detail about some of these blueprints, but
Speaker 2: I definitely want to ask you what was your one
Speaker 2: discovery that made you pace the floor. Every author that
Speaker 2: I talked to, there's at least one thing that they
Speaker 2: found in this journey of theirs that makes them just
Speaker 2: pull off their hat and paste back and forth in
Speaker 2: the living room and be like, oh my gosh. So
Speaker 2: I wondered if you had one of those and what what?
Speaker 3: Well? I would say I had it in the aggregate.
Speaker 3: You know, I was up looking at these blueprints and
Speaker 3: I'm trying to understand each one of them, and the
Speaker 3: I realized they came in a certain sequence and we
Speaker 3: had to have that big burst of energy in the
Speaker 3: very beginning. But to what purpose? It was all light?
Speaker 3: Because light has no mass. Light travels around planet Earth
Speaker 3: seven times a second, and light is not going to
Speaker 3: build anything physical. So then to realize that there's this separate,
Speaker 3: independent field that fills the entire universe and brings physicality
Speaker 3: that converts pure energy into the components of the atom.
Speaker 3: We're all atoms, maybe we remember some high school chemistry biology,
Speaker 3: and the components of the atom then are physical and
Speaker 3: built physical structure, which then created this amazing journey of
Speaker 3: five million species. So I think my AHA moment was
Speaker 3: just the fact that we need all eight of these blueprints,
Speaker 3: that without any one of them, none of us would
Speaker 3: be here, No animal would be here, no plants would
Speaker 3: be here. Realize this was all planned from the get
Speaker 3: go an unimaginable mathematical mind. And that's why I don't
Speaker 3: try to do the mathematics. You know, I can go
Speaker 3: with the equals mc squared to describe space time takes
Speaker 3: ten equations, and I said, I can't go there. You know,
Speaker 3: I've had some mathematics, but that's over my head. So
Speaker 3: I just call space space time a blueprint. And then
Speaker 3: we have blueprints that are sure that the atoms that
Speaker 3: make us are stable, that they don't fly apart. They're
Speaker 3: glued together, and the particle of that is actually called
Speaker 3: the glue on that actually stabilizes their atoms. We have
Speaker 3: another blueprint that makes the stars shine. You know, we
Speaker 3: have to have deuterium and tritium in the stars to
Speaker 3: fuse and create the light of the star. And there
Speaker 3: has to be an version of neutrons and protons into
Speaker 3: deuterium and tridium, which are special forms of hydrogen that
Speaker 3: will fuse and light up the stars. That's not an accident.
Speaker 3: And then I'm probably going to leave out two or
Speaker 3: three others, but you begin to understand those things, look
Speaker 3: at them and realize that's a succession, the succession of
Speaker 3: superintelligence bringing about these impulses that give us this universe
Speaker 3: that give us the shining stars that being trillion of them,
Speaker 3: by the way, and then gives us the life, gives
Speaker 3: us cells, gives us DNA, and this journey of life
Speaker 3: that we've been on a very very long time. And
Speaker 3: we're so blessed that we can have this conversation. You know,
Speaker 3: it's created in the image of God that we can
Speaker 3: think about these things, that we can contemplate the future,
Speaker 3: that we realize life has meaning and what a gift
Speaker 3: was that that God chose mankind men and women to
Speaker 3: be able to take that journey and realize there's meaning
Speaker 3: to this process.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. I agree with you one thing.
Speaker 2: With the science and the religion. The divider line is
Speaker 2: the Big Bang. You know, I follow some people that
Speaker 2: I genuinely love, one being doctor Kent Hovin. But you know,
Speaker 2: I can talk to somebody, agree with somebody on certain things,
Speaker 2: but don't mean I agree with them on everything. Sure,
Speaker 2: but he always says the Big Bang is a big
Speaker 2: dud because he's a Young Earth creationist. And I think
Speaker 2: I'm the type of person that's like, I believe my Bible.
Speaker 2: I love my Bible, but I don't think my Bible
Speaker 2: is a science book. It's not a historical book of
Speaker 2: what is in its own right. But sure it's truth
Speaker 2: in there, but everything, every truth is not in this
Speaker 2: one book. So we have to open our mind to
Speaker 2: venture out of some of these things.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I used to always think, well, let there be light
Speaker 2: exactly that sounds like a big bang.
Speaker 3: That is a big bang. And God said there was nothing.
Speaker 3: It was barren, And God said, let there be light,
Speaker 3: which to me is a great description of the Big Bang,
Speaker 3: which was an incredible burst of light out of something
Speaker 3: smaller than the head of a pen, and that light
Speaker 3: and then went on to form our universe. And then
Speaker 3: it took additional components that I think are God given
Speaker 3: to make this universe physical, so that atoms could form,
Speaker 3: adams could join together, we could have cells that created
Speaker 3: tissues and eventually end up with I've got some wonderful
Speaker 3: dogs that you know, the center of my life, and
Speaker 3: I love them dearly. They wouldn't have this conversation but
Speaker 3: to watch the beautiful life forms that my wife has
Speaker 3: an incredible bird feat operation out in the backyard. Just
Speaker 3: to watch those birds, and just to look out at
Speaker 3: this beautiful earth at this time of the year and
Speaker 3: all the plants. It's just one miracle after another, all
Speaker 3: of which stem from these fundamental blueprints that were released
Speaker 3: at the moment of creation. There's a lot of evidence
Speaker 3: for the Big Bang. By the way, I mean, we're
Speaker 3: still expanding, you know, our universe is still getting bigger, bigger, bigger,
Speaker 3: very compatible with it starting in a single point. And
Speaker 3: I think it was a Catholic priest he said, you know,
Speaker 3: if you roll this movie back you would arrive at
Speaker 3: this primordial egg they called it, and from whence the
Speaker 3: universe erupted. And that's a Catholic priest saying that, and.
Speaker 2: So well even Isaiah says that, you know, the Lord
Speaker 2: stretches out the heavens. Yes, I've heard some people say
Speaker 2: that that's alluding to this, you know, expanding universe. Yes,
Speaker 2: they're in scripture.
Speaker 3: It is, and we're still expanding. And we've learned how
Speaker 3: to measure the expansion. And you know, we have a
Speaker 3: Hubble telescope out on the west coast that measures the expansion.
Speaker 3: And the further objects are away from us, the faster
Speaker 3: they're moving away from us. So we've been expanding ever
Speaker 3: since that primordial leg gave birth to this universe. So
Speaker 3: it's it's a wonderful story. And if I had anything
Speaker 3: to say to people of faith, God bless you and
Speaker 3: realize that science is just a separate revelation of God.
Speaker 3: You have the biblical revelation, which is wonderful, beautiful, and
Speaker 3: then we have the scientific revelation. And I don't think
Speaker 3: there's any conflict between the two of them. I think
Speaker 3: they are a great picture of the same incredible mind
Speaker 3: that willed us into being.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, some examples that I'm thinking about that
Speaker 2: kind of correlate to this conversation is like in Leviticus,
Speaker 2: you get in there, a lot of people just kind
Speaker 2: of skim over that because it's a lot of begats
Speaker 2: and laws. Yes, but if you look at those, a
Speaker 2: lot of them are like scientific in nature. But they
Speaker 2: didn't even realize it at the time. It's like God
Speaker 2: told them you can only wash in moving water, don't
Speaker 2: wash and steal water. Well, if the medieval people would
Speaker 2: have just read their Bible and listened to those laws,
Speaker 2: that the plague would have been avoided. One of their
Speaker 2: sacrificial instructions was to don't quote me on the exact terminology, guys,
Speaker 2: because I'm sure I'll butcher this. But they were supposed
Speaker 2: to take like the fat of the ram and the
Speaker 2: ash from the bull and all these different things to
Speaker 2: mix together to smear on them. And when you go
Speaker 2: and you look at that, and the science eyes, that
Speaker 2: makes the most potent antibacterial soap in the world.
Speaker 3: No, I think there was a lot of native intelligence
Speaker 3: going on in ancient Israel, where they understood a lot
Speaker 3: more about disease than you would possibly imagine. And you know,
Speaker 3: they did have the plagues, and they did have an
Speaker 3: abisidian block the name of the terrible disease leprosy. But
Speaker 3: they came to the two conclusions we would come to today,
Speaker 3: and that is how to wash, how to avoid soil, clothing,
Speaker 3: et cetera. And that was that was That was in
Speaker 3: a people seven hundred years before Christ, and they were
Speaker 3: understanding those things.
Speaker 2: The divine revelation I believe, yes, I think so too.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Another thing, too, I would be a miss if we
Speaker 2: didn't at least touch on some is the all too
Speaker 2: controversial topic of evolution. And I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people get worked up and get in arguments because they
Speaker 2: are failing to define words. Words have meanings, and you
Speaker 2: may define evolution something different than I do. So if
Speaker 2: we're not establishing what we mean by this word, we
Speaker 2: could automatically be at odds with each other. Most people,
Speaker 2: I think, generally, when they think of evolution, they think
Speaker 2: of this, you know, germ becoming a dolphin, and this
Speaker 2: dolphin becomes a landwalking animal, and it's like and then
Speaker 2: some people's like, now, evolution is small little changes, you know,
Speaker 2: like the dog may be brown, but it gets red
Speaker 2: hair because of you know or whatever. But those those
Speaker 2: I don't define this evolution.
Speaker 3: I've got a book on the shelf look at the
Speaker 3: other side of this room, called Origin of the Species
Speaker 3: by Charles Darwin. And the only problem is it's just
Speaker 3: awfully wrong. But just missed it entirely. I mean, he was,
Speaker 3: and we have to give him his credit. He was
Speaker 3: in his day watching fat more fat on a pig
Speaker 3: more sheep on a wall, and he was saying those
Speaker 3: variations and he tried to extrapolate that to the origin
Speaker 3: of the species. Wrong. And I'm going to go back
Speaker 3: now to my Higgs equation, which I believe lives in
Speaker 3: a higher dimension, as Plato would tell us, And I
Speaker 3: believe there are libraries of mathematics. All great mathematicians believe
Speaker 3: there's a library of mathematics in a higher dimension, and they,
Speaker 3: through their minds eye, can visit that library and can
Speaker 3: retrieve the equations they want, all of them. All of
Speaker 3: the really great mathematicians believe in that higher dimension. If
Speaker 3: there's a mathematical library, there's a library for genes and proteins.
Speaker 3: And our genome is largely unused. You know, genome is
Speaker 3: all of our DNA and each well, and we use
Speaker 3: about maybe five percent of it and the rest of
Speaker 3: it I view as in the nursery, and I believe
Speaker 3: that that nursery has the ability to call down genes
Speaker 3: from this library, store them, and at some future point
Speaker 3: have an entire gene team. Let's say for ecal location,
Speaker 3: which is what bats do? You know? They fly right
Speaker 3: over your head because they could put out sound waves
Speaker 3: and receive them back and paint their world with sound. Well,
Speaker 3: there was no partially equal licading bat. Just all of
Speaker 3: a sudden there were bats that could equal locate. And
Speaker 3: I believe the correct theory of evolution is from a
Speaker 3: library in a higher dimension downloaded and stored into a
Speaker 3: genome of a future animal, and that animal only appeared
Speaker 3: when it made sense, when it needed to find the dark,
Speaker 3: when it needed to whales to go deep in the
Speaker 3: dark waters. And I believe that's the way God planned it,
Speaker 3: is that these genes would download form as teams, and
Speaker 3: when the time came they were needed, they'd be sent
Speaker 3: what do I call the factory. Now that's my understanding
Speaker 3: of evolution. There's a series of downloads from God's library
Speaker 3: that then enabled life to go in new directions, to
Speaker 3: accept new challenges. And that's that's my theory of evolution,
Speaker 3: which is a journey of life.
Speaker 2: I call it, you know, adaptations for survival. Yes, even
Speaker 2: in my research for my book when I was looking
Speaker 2: into the hypertrixosis or what science would define people covered
Speaker 2: in hair, and one that really blew my mind. Well,
Speaker 2: actually two was I never knew that in the womb
Speaker 2: we are covered in hair from head to toe and
Speaker 2: they call it shoot.
Speaker 3: I should know, but I'm blocking it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but at a certain time, the mother's DNA tells
Speaker 2: the baby to shed the hair and then it is born.
Speaker 2: So it's like a malfunction in the code that doesn't
Speaker 2: tell that baby to shed the hair, and they come
Speaker 2: out covered in hair. But another thing happens is what
Speaker 2: we're talking about right here, is when a person is
Speaker 2: in starvation mode and they go into anorexia and they're
Speaker 2: in the elements in cold weather, that body retriggers that
Speaker 2: dormant gin to regrow that fine hair to keep them
Speaker 2: warm and keep them from freezing to death. And you
Speaker 2: see the same thing with pigs. Pigs that go wild,
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Speaker 3: And not necessarily used until needed, until necessary and done.
Speaker 3: That's why in my thinking about evolution, I view it
Speaker 3: as God's planning for the future of the journey of life,
Speaker 3: and he built a system that made these genes available.
Speaker 3: I think we tend to think of heaven as a
Speaker 3: long way away, But in this model, the genes for
Speaker 3: the future and the genes that we have in ourselves
Speaker 3: are really very close together, and they can we know
Speaker 3: mutations happen, and those mutations can visit a mutation library
Speaker 3: and bring down another gene that's needed in the future.
Speaker 3: And I think that's how God planned the journey of life.
Speaker 3: So when I speak of evolution, I'm talking about a
Speaker 3: divinely planned system of evolution. The word doesn't scare me anymore.
Speaker 3: And when I read Darwin's book The Origin of the
Speaker 3: Species explains a variety of things except not the origin
Speaker 3: of the species. That was eighteen sixty five, and we've
Speaker 3: been having an argument over that for now. What where
Speaker 3: are we twenty twenty five? Long time?
Speaker 2: And that's all I said too.
Speaker 3: It's just the.
Speaker 2: Misinterpretation of the definitions of words. Ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 2: And honestly, like looking into this, you know the big
Speaker 2: brain people. You know, you can't be the only person
Speaker 2: that's seen these things and made these correlations. And I
Speaker 2: seen the interview that you had done with a woman
Speaker 2: and she had asked you, and it really blew my mind.
Speaker 2: She said, you know, like percentage wise ballpark as far
Speaker 2: as the scientific community, how many are Christians? And you
Speaker 2: said sixty percent.
Speaker 3: Sixty percent. But there's this rule in the field, don't
Speaker 3: give God a foot in the door. And you might
Speaker 3: say why, Well, the thinking behind that is once you
Speaker 3: attribute it to God, you'll stop stop studying it. So
Speaker 3: the idea is, rather than say God did it, we
Speaker 3: accept that God did it, and then the fun part
Speaker 3: is exploring how he did it. You know, what makes
Speaker 3: this brain work, what makes a cell work, how does
Speaker 3: a pig get more fat? And so the idea of
Speaker 3: don't give God a foot in the door, it's not
Speaker 3: as bad as it sounds. It's really more let's keep studying.
Speaker 3: If God wants us to study, he and vices to study.
Speaker 3: He wants actually for us to understand him and seek him,
Speaker 3: and you can do that through studying science. That's what
Speaker 3: I guess my greatest revelation was, I'm really actually addressing
Speaker 3: God is I try to understand this science. And that's
Speaker 3: what hurts me about the young people that think they're
Speaker 3: going to another source when they go to the science
Speaker 3: that's going to be their new touchstone. Well, welcome aboard
Speaker 3: to it alter revelation of the same God you've got
Speaker 3: to witness in the scripture. So scripture and science to
Speaker 3: me are mutually reinforcing and tell the same great story
Speaker 3: of creation.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean one hundred percent. And as far
Speaker 2: as like the science, and we'll kind of get into
Speaker 2: like maybe like some some metaphysics and things like that. Sure,
Speaker 2: I'm of the opinion that basically this uh, this body,
Speaker 2: this it's like a it's like a car, you know it.
Speaker 2: It's a vehicle that our soul basically operates, because you know,
Speaker 2: the scripture says that we are seated in heavenly places.
Speaker 2: If you want to use the the matrix, the neo
Speaker 2: in the matrix kind of terminology to help you better
Speaker 2: understand it, it's similar. But it's like when you crash
Speaker 2: a car, you total that car. That'll mean one percent
Speaker 2: of the time you die you know, if you if
Speaker 2: you don't dyeing the rick, what happens, you just step
Speaker 2: right out of the car and keep going because our energy,
Speaker 2: our soul, that it keeps going. Yeah, I just want
Speaker 2: to know your opinion and what well if you found
Speaker 2: with science.
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of the near death experience. I
Speaker 3: don't know whether you've ever read any NDEs. It's a
Speaker 3: hobby of mine. I love reading them. I love the
Speaker 3: stories of the Life review and I find them incredibly
Speaker 3: convincing because no tour alike. It's not like a thousand
Speaker 3: people got together and said, let's tell the story of
Speaker 3: a near death experience. There. Each one is unique. The
Speaker 3: Life reviews fascinating. They experienced it from how they impacted
Speaker 3: the other party, not how they impacted themselves, but what
Speaker 3: I might have said that her true feelings, and that's
Speaker 3: in my life review. So I've read a lot of
Speaker 3: near death experience literature and it's been very meaningful to me.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've got a whole shelf on the library
Speaker 3: over there of probably most of the near death experience
Speaker 3: books are written, and I find them very convincing. And yes,
Speaker 3: and those experiences they can rise out of their body.
Speaker 3: They can look down in their car wreck, they can
Speaker 3: witness surgeons operating on their heart. That's their soul. We are.
Speaker 3: We all have souls, and those souls are eternal, and
Speaker 3: our bodies are not. They're more like machines. And we
Speaker 3: can wreck them in a car and we can damage
Speaker 3: them and we can make them sick, but we have
Speaker 3: that soul. It's inseparable and eternal. And that's what I
Speaker 3: take from the near death experience literature. So I'm a
Speaker 3: fan of it and try to have a book. Almost
Speaker 3: every book written about that particular topic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember the name of the book, but
Speaker 2: it was a couple of years ago me and my
Speaker 2: buddies on the first podcast we ever done. Uh, we
Speaker 2: had dove into a book that was on near death
Speaker 2: experiences and uh, I can't remember. Had something to do
Speaker 2: with hell, something.
Speaker 3: Heaven can wait or no, I'm just I could go
Speaker 3: over and read you a bunch.
Speaker 2: You know. He was a doctor like the r and
Speaker 2: he exactly experiences that he had. He had his own
Speaker 2: fascinating he had his own near death experience and no,
Speaker 2: I've read that book several times.
Speaker 3: He had.
Speaker 2: But the guy with the heart attack that's one that
Speaker 2: really got me. That the guy had the heart attack
Speaker 2: and they were giving him the shock paddles and they
Speaker 2: brought him back and he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: thank you. They were going to get me. They were
Speaker 2: going to get me. And then he beat flat lined
Speaker 2: again and they paddled him, brought him back, and then
Speaker 2: he was like he come back again. He's like, don't
Speaker 2: let me die. Don't let me die. They're going to
Speaker 2: get me, and flat lined again, and they him back
Speaker 2: like like two or three times, and then he finally
Speaker 2: come back and he was fully recovered. He told The
Speaker 2: doctor asked him, you know, were you hallucinating? What were
Speaker 2: you seeing? Because he wasn't a believer at this time,
Speaker 2: and the guy told him I was in the pits
Speaker 2: of hail who he said, I was burning alive.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 2: People were armed, were grabbing me, pulling me in, he said,
Speaker 2: And then when you brought me back, he said, I
Speaker 2: come out of it like a dream. He said. That's
Speaker 2: why I was screaming at you, please don't let me die.
Speaker 2: They're going to get me.
Speaker 3: That I'll get your attention. Oh yeah, give you goosebumps,
Speaker 3: and I'll probably have twenty books about their death experiences,
Speaker 3: and I believe them because they don't tell the same story.
Speaker 3: Each one is somewhat unique. Their life reviews are different.
Speaker 3: And it's not like they all got together and said, hey,
Speaker 3: let's tell this wild story about you know, our souls
Speaker 3: leaving our body. They all had comparable experiences. And I
Speaker 3: to find it a very realistic literature and I really
Speaker 3: enjoyed reading it. And I'll buy every new near death
Speaker 3: book that comes out. And you know, some of them
Speaker 3: are from children, some of them are from older people,
Speaker 3: but they tell a similar story.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And like far As like genetics and DNA
Speaker 2: I've heard some people like on YouTube shorts and things
Speaker 2: like that. Like I said, I'm I'm a generalist. I
Speaker 2: like looking at all this stuff, but far As, like
Speaker 2: my knowledge, it's not that expansive. But they were talking
Speaker 2: about they discovered this god gene that basically his name
Speaker 2: was stamped into our DNA or something like that. Are
Speaker 2: you familiar with that or am i? As?
Speaker 3: No, I am familiar with it, And it elicited a
Speaker 3: lot of debate as to whether did we really need
Speaker 3: to have that god gene to make us want to
Speaker 3: listen for God and That's what the way I interpreted it,
Speaker 3: it was a receptor, and so that we would have
Speaker 3: the affinity, the ability, and the tendency to listen for God.
Speaker 3: And I think we all have it. And it was
Speaker 3: seriously debated amongst theologians and scientists and so forth, and
Speaker 3: I'm not sure the debate was ever settled. But I
Speaker 3: have no problem with the idea that we all have
Speaker 3: a God gene that makes us hungry, hungry for meaning,
Speaker 3: hungry for purpose, and hungry for the realization there's something
Speaker 3: more to this life than days and years. Now that
Speaker 3: I'm getting much older, I'm really cognizant it's important to
Speaker 3: have meaning. And I think we're hardwired to have meaning. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just turned forty this year.
Speaker 3: And I, oh, man, you're half my age.
Speaker 2: Oh even now, I'm like, my brain just works differently.
Speaker 2: You start thinking about your mortality, yes, your legacy, What
Speaker 2: have you contributed to this world? And have you know,
Speaker 2: give your kids the right tools they need? And I
Speaker 2: don't know you just for me anyways. My personal experience
Speaker 2: is like when I hit forty, a lot of my
Speaker 2: thinking and stuff changed. My mortality was facing me right
Speaker 2: from thee those because it's like, you know, a best
Speaker 2: case scenario, half of my life is now over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you're right. I'm twice your age, and so
Speaker 3: I'm waiting any day, you know, to meet Jesus in
Speaker 3: a personal way. And I'm so thankful for my mother
Speaker 3: who introduced me to that. You know, when as a
Speaker 3: little fellow, I'm probably three years old, she takes me
Speaker 3: to church and keeps me awake. You know, it makes
Speaker 3: me cognizant of and you know in Sunday School, Jesus
Speaker 3: loves me. This. I know because the Bible tells me so.
Speaker 3: And that background I think is important for every parent
Speaker 3: should expose their child to the possibility of something bigger,
Speaker 3: something greater, of a creator. It perhaps does not have
Speaker 3: to be Jesus, it is for me, but at least
Speaker 3: the concept that we're created bangs, and we created to
Speaker 3: need meaning and to look for God, to listen for God.
Speaker 2: And we are yeah, amen, whether we realize it or not,
Speaker 2: we are all, you know, seeking God and we are
Speaker 2: all on this this hero's journey. Uh. Before I let
Speaker 2: you go, I definitely want to ask you about this
Speaker 2: because now that I got somebody that's kind of in
Speaker 2: that lane, I can throw out some of my thoughts
Speaker 2: and hypotheses at you and see what sticks or what
Speaker 2: you think about it. I've also talked to people a
Speaker 2: lot about like the Garden of Eden and how basically
Speaker 2: they were in these light bodies and then once they
Speaker 2: rebelled and they were kicked out of the garden, they
Speaker 2: all of a sudden got like this, this fleshly body.
Speaker 2: And it says that both of their eyes, you know,
Speaker 2: were opened, And like, I love getting into the Hebrew
Speaker 2: because there's so many little head and nuggets in there. Yes,
Speaker 2: like Satan his craftiness. It was described as a room,
Speaker 2: and Satan is the you know, they say he is
Speaker 2: the god of this world. And it says that that
Speaker 2: same word when they their eyes were opened, it says
Speaker 2: that and their eyes were a room. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of like, did they become more like the Satan? Did
Speaker 2: they take on a property of Satan? Is Satan more
Speaker 2: fleshly or something? That always kind of got me. But
Speaker 2: I always said that I believe that how we heal
Speaker 2: ourselves and all this stuff that's going on with us,
Speaker 2: it's like we were built to live forever. But something
Speaker 2: at that rebellion when we were kicked out. It's like
Speaker 2: a DNA strand or something like a program was cut
Speaker 2: off and now we don't have that access to that anymore.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think that's as good an explanation
Speaker 3: as any I've heard.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: People argue about the age of the inniverse, you know it,
Speaker 3: what is the six days? And I simply say I
Speaker 3: have no opinion because I wasn't there when it was created.
Speaker 3: So you know, the science shows us it's fifteen been
Speaker 3: your old. The sun is five billion years old. Well,
Speaker 3: if you do the math, that means the sun showed
Speaker 3: up on the force to day, which is exactly what
Speaker 3: Genesis one tells us. The sun appeared on Day four.
Speaker 3: So I believe. I believe the Bible. Obviously, I'm a scientist,
Speaker 3: so I tend to put a lot of stock in science,
Speaker 3: but I don't replace my spiritual beliefs with my science.
Speaker 3: I think they should be mutually reinforcing. And was there
Speaker 3: a garden of Eden. I wasn't there, but I believe
Speaker 3: there was there. Obviously was an initial couple who heard God,
Speaker 3: who listened for him, who he breached, and then they
Speaker 3: ate the apple and the rest of us are paying
Speaker 3: for that still today. But I don't know about you.
Speaker 3: I don't want to live forever, I really would. I'm
Speaker 3: ready to get the full do. I missed my parents.
Speaker 3: I want to meet Jesus in person, and can you
Speaker 3: imagine that what a blessing that would be? Will be?
Speaker 2: Yeah, go back to a garden of beading style atmosphere,
Speaker 2: you know, have this?
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind have lived forever if I didn't hurt,
Speaker 2: didn't have two sakes, or did have heartbreak or sorrow
Speaker 2: or death, all the people that might life. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean that's to me, that's signed me up man. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's just a return to Eden and perfection. And sorry, ladies,
Speaker 2: I have to throw this joke out. Call me a
Speaker 2: male chauvelness if you want, but it's funny. I don't
Speaker 2: care who you are? The Garden of Eden. It said
Speaker 2: that God told Adam he would give him the perfect partner,
Speaker 2: that she would fulfill all his desires, help him and
Speaker 2: all of his work, and she would just be the
Speaker 2: perfect helpmate, but it would cost him his right arm.
Speaker 2: And Adam replied with, well, what can I get.
Speaker 3: For a rip? That's cute, that's great.
Speaker 2: Sorry, ladies, I had to it's funny. I don't care
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 3: That's cute. He came bargain with God. Man, So let
Speaker 3: me ask you. It's sasquatch real. I think noticing your hat.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I was talking about with
Speaker 2: my book. My book it's called the Epic of Esau,
Speaker 2: The Birthright and Seed War. I think if we let
Speaker 2: scripture say what it says, it says that, you know,
Speaker 2: the first one came out red, covered in hair from
Speaker 2: head to toe like a Harry Cloak. I was like, man,
Speaker 2: that sounds pretty squatchy to me. And then, like I said,
Speaker 2: the two years that I kind of dove through this guy,
Speaker 2: looking at the boring genealogies you know that nobody wants
Speaker 2: to look at. I had discovered that two of his
Speaker 2: three wives were Whortes and Heaites, and they were labeled
Speaker 2: in the Bible as nephilin giant clans. And his father
Speaker 2: in law was named Sierra. And so when you go
Speaker 2: into the etymology of that word, that means Harry. So
Speaker 2: here's this Harry giant clan like basically feral giants marrying Esau,
Speaker 2: who's also this Harry big man. So if they are
Speaker 2: getting together and breeding creating, they're going to throw some
Speaker 2: strange pups, to say the least. And I think that's
Speaker 2: probably where we get the Bigfoot terminology from.
Speaker 3: That's fun. That's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, man, doctor William, I really appreciate you coming
Speaker 2: on and sharing some of your knowledge with us, and
Speaker 2: I just I love these exchanges in these conversations. And
Speaker 2: like I said in the beginning of the show, the
Speaker 2: first of many, I hope and I stand by that.
Speaker 2: I hope we can get you own and have some
Speaker 2: more conversations in the future, if even not on your book.
Speaker 2: We can dive into some near death experiences and tell
Speaker 2: some stories and talk about some of that stuff. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm into that too.
Speaker 3: A good interviewer and I've really enjoyed it, and I
Speaker 3: appreciate being invited, So thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, the pleasure was all mine. And just one
Speaker 2: more time for those that maybe and I always jokingly
Speaker 2: say this, but it's kind of like a half hearted
Speaker 2: joke if maybe our listeners weren't paying attention at the beginning,
Speaker 2: they were spanking their kids or doing some laundry or
Speaker 2: doing the dishes. Let everybody know where they can find
Speaker 2: you anything you want to plug right now, websites, books, well,
Speaker 2: speaking engagements.
Speaker 3: There's the book that I think is important. It's called
Speaker 3: Sacred Science, and the title should should explain my attitude
Speaker 3: towards science. It's God given and it's a revelation, and
Speaker 3: therefore Sacred Science should be something I hope everybody can understand.
Speaker 3: You know, I did my very best to write it
Speaker 3: to the understanding of almost any reader. And of course
Speaker 3: it's available through Amazon, and I have no idea how
Speaker 3: it's selling. That wasn't the purpose of writing it. I
Speaker 3: really wrote it for myself and for those that are
Speaker 3: curious about how science and faith relate to each other.
Speaker 3: This whole idea that they're in conflict is simply wrong,
Speaker 3: and science is another revelation of God. If you understand
Speaker 3: those eight blueprints. You'll understand that they're God given. So
Speaker 3: let me thank you again for bringing me on.
Speaker 2: No amen, I appreciate it. And people like you are
Speaker 2: like chameleons. You know, you got one foot in both lanes,
Speaker 2: so I definitely appreciate your perspective. And you've taken your
Speaker 2: time out.
Speaker 3: To well you've got the great foot on your T
Speaker 3: shirt there, So yeah.
Speaker 2: Come back for some more big redfoots.
Speaker 3: A good deal. That's great. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 2: Hope you enjoyed that. Be sure to check out his
Speaker 2: stuff and contribute to his work. Check out his book.
Speaker 2: As you can see, he's a well studied man, well
Speaker 2: researched man, and just a pleasant man. You know, there's
Speaker 2: so many people that can be smart, but they're just jerks.
Speaker 2: This guy's clearly not jerk. This is a good dude.
Speaker 2: Help out a good dude in our brother in Christ. Heay, guys,
Speaker 2: until next time, torches.
Speaker 3: Hi guys,