WEBVTT 1 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:23.640 What a strange week this is becoming, and one that 2 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:29.160 needs to be considered. I'm preparing to tour with the 3 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:33.200 last tour group of the year earth Asients Mexico, the 4 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:39.000 Sacred Mexican Temple Tour. That's going to be the eighth 5 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:44.159 through the fifteenth of November, and I'm going to get 6 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:48.000 on a plane. The other issue is I have a 7 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:52.600 apartment that is being updated and they're rebuilding the kitchen 8 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:57.880 and the bathroom and the floors and the rugs and everything. 9 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:02.039 And so I'm packing right now and I didn't realize 10 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:05.680 I had so much. I'll just say it crap. And 11 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:08.319 I'm giving this stuff, all this stuff away, And you know, 12 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:12.200 it's very freeing when you pack up and you start 13 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:15.799 throwing stuff away. And of course you can imagine that 14 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:21.680 I have literally bookshelves of books and magazines and stuff 15 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:25.200 like that, because I'm always on the go looking for 16 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:30.400 the newest author's newest material, and publishers just dailyg me. 17 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:33.159 Each week I get between three and five books, so 18 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:37.760 I try to keep some and I give a lot away. Luckily, 19 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:40.400 I have a friend that is at the local college 20 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:44.040 and he's giving them away to students and selling some 21 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:47.680 and so. But you know, when you move, you really 22 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:49.920 got to figure out what you want to keep, what 23 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:51.439 you don't want to keep. And this has been the 24 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:54.680 issue for the last couple of weeks, is just getting 25 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:58.400 rid of stuff. And I'll tell you it's freeing. It 26 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:01.879 is very freeing. Hey, welcome to Earth Ancients. This is Cliff, 27 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:05.319 your host. I hope you're doing well today, and I 28 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:09.599 am again on the move. I'm excited about this trip 29 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:14.159 to Mexico because I'm writing about Mexican culture, I should 30 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:18.680 say Maya in the culture. And this is a real 31 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:22.560 fabulous topic for me because this book is allowing me 32 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:26.800 to express years of energy work that I've been doing. 33 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.240 I trained as a reiki teacher. Actually I was a 34 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:34.800 practitioner for about five years and became a teacher later. 35 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:39.520 Although I don't teach anymore, my ex wife does. We 36 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:43.680 both had a business. And when you use reiki, you're 37 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:47.599 actually amplifying this natural energy field that we all have 38 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:52.159 known as the universal life force. Energy. Now, the Maya 39 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:54.560 call it something else, the Chinese call it something else, 40 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:58.759 the Tibetans call it energy fields. And one of the 41 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:01.919 great activity that I like doing when I'm down in 42 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:06.360 the Yucatan is taking my compass and placing it on 43 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:10.879 the base of pyramids, temples and buildings that I get 44 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:14.199 a little hit on. And when that when that activity 45 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:20.280 hits the body of the compass, it begins spinning and 46 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:22.240 then I then I can tell people, hey, sit here, 47 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:26.120 if you're interested in meditating, get a sense and what 48 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.319 we are now understanding. And I got to tell you this. 49 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:33.240 Most archaeologists just think I'm nuts. But if you are 50 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:39.680 at all familiar with the shaman and the history of 51 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:43.879 the Maya, there is a period there's a science involved 52 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:46.479 in the creation of these pyramids. They do do not 53 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:51.360 lay out their cities randomly. Typically it's a sensitive known 54 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:53.919 as a shaman or otherwise known as a daykeeper, the 55 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:59.680 calendar ocole or the calendar calendar readers and creators. These 56 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.759 guys place their cities, their temples and pyramids over lay 57 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:08.719 lines which are tollric field energy centers. And so when 58 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:13.360 we go down to Yucatan, we're looking at the pyramids 59 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:16.519 and we're wanting to know if they're active. I know 60 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.879 there's a handful of that are active, but there's new 61 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:22.439 areas that are being discovered constantly. And when you go 62 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:24.600 to these new areas. It's important to bring a compass 63 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:27.240 so you can you can check on the energy field. 64 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:36.240 Some people who have resources can purchase a filled analyzer 65 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:41.160 which you can adjust to geomagnetic energy fields. And we 66 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.600 see this in England when we go to the stone circles. 67 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:50.120 You can testament the Stonehenge, Avebury or any of the 68 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:54.160 typical stone circle sites and you typically are going to 69 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:57.800 pick up a hell of a lot of energy. Now, 70 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.399 there's a funny story that I tell when I first 71 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:04.839 went down to Chichiita at the invitation of an elder 72 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:10.000 named Humbat's men who wanted to show me the city. 73 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.040 It's a long story. I won't get into the details, 74 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:15.959 but I had a girlfriend with me in those days, 75 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:23.120 and this is nineteen ninety six. In those days, you 76 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:27.040 could climb the pyramids. You could climb El Castillo at 77 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:32.319 chichen Itza. So we're getting a tour and he says, 78 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.040 climb the pyramid and sit up there at the top 79 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.920 for you know, a little bit of time and just 80 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:39.759 kind of take it all in. Well, we climbed to 81 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:44.040 the top, which is very our challenging because it's you know, 82 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:47.480 it's almost at a forty five degree angle. The stairs 83 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:50.560 are small. What they do for you is they give 84 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:54.160 you or there is a chain that's attached to the 85 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.800 top end of the bottom that you used to go 86 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.839 up and down in those days. That was the key. 87 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:03.639 If you don't have that, you're in serious trouble going 88 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:09.160 down because it's really steep and it's it's it's treacherous 89 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.720 scary actually. Anyhow, so my girlfriend and I get to 90 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:18.959 the top and we're sitting and looking and after about 91 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:23.519 ten minutes, we're hit with this wave and it's a 92 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:26.319 wave of energy and I've never felt anything like it, 93 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:31.360 but I was. I was stunned and I was disorientated. 94 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:35.199 It was very, very odd. We both took another twenty 95 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:37.199 minutes maybe I think it might have even been thirty 96 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:41.240 minutes to kind of reorientate ourselves, and we climbed back 97 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:46.439 down the pyramid. Now that's not the end of the story. 98 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:50.959 Were we both were asking whom boughts this mayan elder, 99 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:54.600 what we are experiencing, and he told us that we 100 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:58.959 had experienced one of the pulsating this energy and there's 101 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.480 certain times of the day where it's higher than lower. 102 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:05.040 So I didn't think anything of it. That night. I 103 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:09.040 had a tremendous number of odd dreams. But what happened 104 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:13.560 to my girlfriend was she started administrating. She started having 105 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.360 she had her period and it was not normal. We 106 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.759 had to go run against some pads and and take 107 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.800 care of her. But it affected her on a physical level. 108 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:27.480 And what they have discovered is that these energy fields 109 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:35.000 are biocentric. They're designed to enhance the body, to heal 110 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:38.920 the body, to open these energy centers that are are 111 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:43.040 around the body. You cannot climb the pyramids anymore, but 112 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.199 there are certain areas where you can. We will be 113 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:50.079 definitely climbing ek Balam, which is close to chichen itza 114 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:55.199 smaller site, because that's that pyramids available. But the pyramid 115 00:07:55.240 --> 00:08:01.680 at Ushmahl is not available anymore. Cha No, So if 116 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.120 and when you get a chance to go to these pyramids, 117 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:07.480 if you don't have a compass, then just see if 118 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.519 you can climb them. Because this is extremely important. I'm 119 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.399 going to talk a little bit about this energy field 120 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:17.959 to the group, and I'm sure I'll get some pushback 121 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:20.079 from the archaeologists that are in the group, but hey, 122 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:23.000 you've got to be open to this because this is 123 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:28.519 a science and a physics that is slowly making itself 124 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:32.399 aware to us. I speak of John Burke. John Burke 125 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:38.120 was in Chi in Guatemala at tical tested a number 126 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:41.360 of pyramids that were newer tested the old ones, and 127 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.879 the old ones are really charged and pushing out lots 128 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:51.480 of energy and other places too. So this is important. 129 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:55.360 This is very very important to talk about to get 130 00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:58.440 clarification on. And we have a couple of people that 131 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:00.759 are coming up before the end of the year that 132 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:05.320 are scientists that can confirm the temples that are sitting 133 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:10.480 on these unusual lay lines or energy fields, and how 134 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:17.639 and how they are making themselves known as not only 135 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:23.360 healing spots for the locals, but they're being identified by 136 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:26.960 these scientists for people in the general public to go 137 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:30.720 and visit, kind of like Lords in France, where you 138 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:33.960 go and you bathe in the water. That water has 139 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:39.879 been charged. These temples are charged and they charge you. 140 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:42.320 And this is why it's really important, and this is 141 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:44.960 what I write about in this book the Maya controversy, 142 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.799 because the Maya were energy scientists and they had a 143 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.120 different science and physics that we just don't understand. So 144 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:55.799 I'm looking again, I'm looking forward to this tour and 145 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:57.799 it's going to be a blast, and I'll report back 146 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:02.840 to you with photographs and views and other comprehensive data 147 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:06.120 on the Maya, all things of Maya. And by the way, 148 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:10.440 Ed Barnhardt, if you haven't seen it, is on at 149 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:15.320 least one episode of Ancient Apocalypse too, and he's giving 150 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:19.159 Graham the overview of the Maya. He doesn't get into energy. 151 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:23.519 That's not Ed's thing, but he's at Polanki and Polanki 152 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:28.039 has a couple of pyramids that have wonderful energy energy 153 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:33.639 fields to experience, so check that out. My guest today 154 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.480 is doctor Heather Land. We haven't had Heather on for 155 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:41.480 Jesus a couple of years. She is talking about the 156 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:45.759 the Templar Knights of Europe and what we're gonna focus 157 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:50.399 on today is a symbology that they used, that they enhanced, 158 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.559 that they were seeking and it's known as the Baphomet, 159 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:58.480 and we are gonna learn about the symbology of it. 160 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:02.159 We're going to learn how they captured it, and we're 161 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:07.000 gonna learn how they used it and were very secretive 162 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.159 of it because they lived in a time that was barbaric. 163 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.000 And today you're gonna learn just how important this is 164 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:20.000 and why it's being revived. So today's program is Baphamet Revealed, 165 00:11:20.759 --> 00:12:00.440 and my guest is doctor Heather Lynn. It's great to 166 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:03.879 have Heather Lin, doctor Heather Lyn on the program. And 167 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:07.919 she is writing Like the Wildfire and has a new 168 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:13.799 book that she is releasing called Baphamet Revealed. It's a 169 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.039 new book, and I wanted to have her on the 170 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:19.960 program because it's been a while and Heather's very active, 171 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:25.320 as many of you know. And this new book deals 172 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.399 with a great subject, one that I really appreciate, which 173 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.159 is the Templar Knights, but not just the Templar Knights 174 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:36.799 as a general point of view, but some of their beliefs, 175 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:41.200 perhaps their practices, sacred practices. And this is what makes 176 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:44.799 us new books so fascinating, is that Heather has taken 177 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:48.279 a deep dive and is looking at it from a 178 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:53.399 number of different esoteric angles, which I appreciate. So Heather, 179 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:57.559 welcome to I should say, welcome back to Earth Ancients. 180 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:00.000 How you doing, I'm will How are you? 181 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:01.519 Yeah, I'm doing great? 182 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:02.360 Awesome. 183 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:06.720 All right, let's talk about this book. What was your inspiration? 184 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:12.960 I mean you you reference this French Catholic priest named Levy. 185 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:17.000 But was was that the were you reading and Levee 186 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:21.000 came up in some in some passages or was it 187 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:24.519 more that you wanted to take a deep dive into 188 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:31.799 this esoteric subject and how the Templar Knights applied this. 189 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.159 Well, it does seem a little unusual of a subject, probably, 190 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.240 And a lot of people have asked me, how have 191 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:42.279 you gone from writing on a Naki material and all 192 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:45.000 of this stuff to a cult or something as scary 193 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:49.279 as a baphomet? And that's an interesting story, uh, But 194 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:51.840 it kind of has to do more with the fact 195 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:54.919 that over time, as I've been researching some of the 196 00:13:55.039 --> 00:14:00.159 more esoteric or even religious ideas of ancient people, there 197 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.000 are some constant themes. And what I try to do 198 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.320 is look at the whole situation as a phenomena as 199 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:09.799 opposed to getting too wrapped up in the say, mask 200 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.440 of the situation. So, like Joseph Campbell referenced the hero 201 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:17.639 with a thousand faces, we do get these phenomenas that 202 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:22.000 we as individuals, over time and different cultures, we put 203 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:25.639 different names to different masks, so to speak, different icons 204 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:29.759 and symbols, and then sometimes we just get those confused 205 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:32.840 with one another, and we don't see the actual underlying truth. 206 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:36.840 And so, for instance, when I'm researching something like say aliens, 207 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:42.639 I find that often I'm also researching angels, demons, gin 208 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:45.679 and a whole host of other creatures, so to speak. 209 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.720 So rather than look at those things individually alone, I 210 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:53.879 try to look at the underlying phenomenology of the experience 211 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.159 that people are having. And you kind of see that, 212 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.679 you know, this is kind of the same, or at 213 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.759 least there's a lot of similarities between these experiences. And 214 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.039 one religion may call it one thing, one culture may 215 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.720 call it another. But you just see this over and 216 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.879 over again. And so I had a natural progression, so 217 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:15.879 to speak, into looking more into the metaphysical side of 218 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:19.399 the cultural materials that we look at. And so I 219 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.879 tend to study cognitive archaeology anyway, and so it just 220 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.440 seemed like a fit. So looking at the symbols, I 221 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:28.960 just I started saying, Wow, I see these things coming 222 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:33.519 up again, not the symbols per se, but the underlying messaging, 223 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:36.919 the things like the positions of the symbols, how they're. 224 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:39.320 Being used, the memes, so to speak. 225 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:41.960 The and I mean that in like the Richard Dawkins 226 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.120 sense not the comical memes, but the mimetics of it, 227 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.039 and I start looking and saying, you know, these have commonalities. 228 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.279 And then it just so happened that I saw a 229 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.720 news article about parents being very upset because in Target 230 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.679 they were selling T shirts with like cute little baphomets 231 00:15:57.720 --> 00:15:59.879 on it. And I say cute because they were neat 232 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:05.000 nice cartoon drawings of this usually spooky creature that some 233 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:08.679 call it a demon or an evil deity, and they 234 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:11.440 were very upset about it, and I thought, oh, oh, yeah, 235 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:13.600 that's interesting story, isn't it. Why would they put that 236 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:17.120 on children's clothes? But you know whatever, they're being edgy. 237 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:20.200 But then why is that considered edgy? Well, probably because 238 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:23.200 of its connotation with Satanism, because the Church of Satan 239 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:26.679 uses Baha met as it's kind of logo in a 240 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:29.039 lot of ways. They use a sigil it's based off 241 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:32.759 of Bapphamet. And then the question is, well, why is 242 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:33.519 it Satanic? 243 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:35.279 And what's what is going on here? 244 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:37.559 And you see it kind of creeping up in all 245 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.320 of these different, even contemporary contexts, and I just got 246 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:43.480 curious about it, but I kind of put it aside 247 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.120 and as I research more, I see, if anyone remembers 248 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.000 my book Evil Archaeology, the cover of that has Pazuzu 249 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:53.279 on it, which is a Mesopotamian demon of the southwest wind, 250 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.559 and he is standing in the position that you find 251 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:00.679 on the in the amulets, where he has one hand 252 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:04.440 up in one hand pointing down, and a very recognizable sense, 253 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:09.119 you know, a gesture that basically looks like what Baphomet's doing. 254 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.039 You also see this in some paintings of like the 255 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:15.519 Apotheosis of George Washington. You see even Jesus doing this. 256 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:19.400 So you start to think, well, what is going on here? 257 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:21.359 What do all these things have in common? And it 258 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:25.359 just naturally led me to this figure over and over again, 259 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:28.839 and I thought, well, it's very controversial. People are very 260 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.720 upset about it, and so of course naturally I'm drawn 261 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.640 to controversial and upsetting things. And I thought, well, the 262 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:38.000 best thing we can do to tackle fear is to 263 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:40.680 understand it. And so that's sort of the purpose of 264 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:43.599 the book. It's not to be a promotion of the symbol, 265 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:47.480 it's not to denigrate the symbol. It's just simply a 266 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:51.400 historiography of looking at this controversial symbol, trying to find 267 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.680 where did it begin and what does it represent and 268 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:59.000 why has it had this seemingly long life and what 269 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:02.400 can we learn from that. So hopefully it's more of 270 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:05.680 an introduction, so it's not the biggest book. There's many 271 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:07.880 other books on the topic that go on a deep, 272 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.000 deep dive that's meant for people who are very much 273 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.079 involved in sagnosticism or otherwise. That is not this book. 274 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.519 This book is if you have no idea what Baphamet is, 275 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:20.319 this is to introduce you to the idea in a 276 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:23.440 hopefully objective and open way. 277 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:30.359 Before we talk about the Templars, let's describe Baphamet as 278 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:35.480 a symbol. It's a goat's head with a human's body. 279 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.359 And one of the things that's described and you don't 280 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:42.720 see it, it's a hermaphrodite, which is male and female genitalia. 281 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:50.279 And I'm not sure was it Alfis Levi that designed 282 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:55.079 and assigned the hermaphrodite identity to this figure. 283 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:01.359 Yes, essentially that is where the symbol gets its imagery 284 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:04.799 and iconography. So, as you mentioned, it starts with the 285 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:08.359 story of the Templars and the first mentions that we 286 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:10.839 have of it go all the way back to the 287 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:13.480 Templar trials, and so this was one of the things 288 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:15.799 that was brought up in the transcripts of the trials, 289 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:19.880 that the templars were being accused of worshiping this idol, 290 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:23.960 and the idol was called Baphomet, and so from that 291 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:26.119 point it's you know, you could look at the bafa 292 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:27.720 Met we see now and say, well, that's what they 293 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:30.440 were worshiping, But you have to remember then that image 294 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:32.799 that we know as Bahamet wasn't the image that the 295 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:35.359 templars had. And so when you read the transcripts of 296 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:38.079 the trials, you find they had a description of what 297 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.119 it was that the templars were worshiping, actually many descriptions, 298 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:43.119 and they were very different than say, a goat headed 299 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:47.480 androgynous being. One of those was a floating head with 300 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:51.680 a beard, so something just very strange and different. Another 301 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.160 accusation was that they were worshiping a cat. So they 302 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.720 couldn't really get the story completely correct because some of 303 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:04.880 the time complers admitted to worshiping one deity and others didn't, 304 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:07.960 and there was a lot of miscommunication because they were 305 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.200 being tortured, of course, and so it's really hard to 306 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.200 know what was an actual confession what was not. But 307 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:17.839 if you look at what they were accused of, they 308 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:21.559 were accused of heresy and they were accused of worshiping 309 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:24.359 this idol. So the question is what is this idol? 310 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:26.279 And there are a lot of theories and a lot 311 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:31.480 of ideas, and one of the most popular has been 312 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:36.720 this charge that they were in the Middle East for 313 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.319 so long that they started to assimilate a bit or 314 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:47.039 at least have exposure to different forms of Islamic mysticism 315 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:53.160 and gnosticism, and what they started to do was syncretize 316 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:58.440 Christianity with Islam more so bend in a gnostic or 317 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:02.559 mystic sort of sense. And they were caught or overheard 318 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:06.079 worshiping Mohammed, and so the idea of Bahamet being a 319 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:10.720 mistranslation of a word that was overheard of them worshiping Mahammet. 320 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:14.480 That is where it's believed that Bahamet comes from. But 321 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.960 that's not the only idea. Some of it has to 322 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:24.279 do more with understanding Sophia in gnosticism and the relationship 323 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:28.680 with Bahamet and that so it's it's really murky, and 324 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:31.039 a lot of people have made a lot of suggestions, 325 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:35.039 and none of them weren't actually from a primary source. 326 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:37.039 The only real primary source that we have or the 327 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.240 accusations in the Templar trial transcripts, which are available actually 328 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:42.519 online to read, which. 329 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.240 Is I can't believe that there's actual transcripts of these 330 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:50.880 trials because they're terrible. Let's talk a little bit. Let's 331 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:55.839 give a little highlight on the Templar Knights. One of 332 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:59.359 the things that people don't realize is that they became 333 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:05.839 financial wizards and grew very wealthy and powerful, and they 334 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:09.160 were loaning money. And I guess one of the big 335 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:14.119 problem areas was that they loaned King Philip the fourth 336 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.920 of France a ton of money and he became very 337 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:21.559 indebted and he decided, rather than pay them back, that 338 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:25.599 he was going to go out and basically crush them. 339 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:29.400 Talk a little bit about that period of tasks, like 340 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:33.640 it's like a thousand a d right ron. 341 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:37.920 The Templars were founded in eleven nineteen, so this had 342 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:40.519 been and so they had a while to sort of 343 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:44.640 build this wealth and build this reputation. And they were 344 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:49.440 initially employed to help protect travelers and pilgrims that would 345 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:53.640 go to the Middle East, and in this as well, 346 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:57.559 they had adversaries. Those adversaries were who were known as 347 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.160 the Assassins. It's where we get the word assass and 348 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:07.160 these were sort of there were a group of Muslim Assassins, 349 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:10.319 people who were practicing a different form of mysticism as well. 350 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:14.279 Interestingly enough, they were using Hashish since the etymology of 351 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:18.039 the name Assassins, and they were kind of enemies of 352 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.839 the templars because they were not happy with the templars 353 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:24.799 being there. They were the ones also attacking some pilgrims. 354 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:28.759 But the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and 355 00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:31.519 so they did end up forming somewhat of an alliance, 356 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:36.200 it's believed, and so this became another thing that allowed 357 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:39.720 them to have this big control and power over the region. 358 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:42.880 And as you said, they started having a lot of money. 359 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.920 They were you could consider them some of the first 360 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:49.039 banking elite, and so they did hold the purse strings 361 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:52.759 and they loaned money to king, they loaned money to 362 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:55.599 the church back. The church wanted to get rid of 363 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:59.720 them so bad, but they had the money. 364 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:01.279 So it is believed that. 365 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:05.519 They weren't worshiping Baphamet at all, but that this was 366 00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:09.319 just some sort of ploy to get them to be 367 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:12.839 guilty to something so they have the justification to condemn 368 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:16.720 them for at least even treason, so that they could 369 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:20.599 be killed and dispensed with. But they they this would 370 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.440 That happened in thirteen oh seven, So we're talking about, 371 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:27.640 you know, a long time of the Templar reality being 372 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:30.880 that they were gaining power and gaining wealth and gaining 373 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:36.240 influence even though they were supposed to be very impoverished. 374 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:40.079 Their their symbol had two templars riding a horse to 375 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.759 suggest that they were just ease. 376 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:45.000 Like a vow of poverty is almost what they were 377 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.000 trying to show people. 378 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:51.319 Yeah, so they had this valve of poverty, but everybody 379 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:56.119 kind of knew that they were extraordinarily wealthy. And they reigned, 380 00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:59.000 so to speak, and in secrecy for a long time, 381 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:02.559 and it was enough time that they gained their own 382 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:07.519 sense of spirituality through religious syncretism, and they posed a 383 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.680 huge threat to the order of the Catholic Church, and 384 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:13.720 the politics at the time. 385 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.519 Talk a bit about because these are unique individuals. They're 386 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:22.599 warrior monks, which is just so out of character because 387 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.200 you think of a monk as someone who doesn't who 388 00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:31.240 abhors violence and killing in war. But these guys were 389 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:37.440 highly trained soldiers and warriors. But what I want more 390 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:42.000 information on in what you uncovered is how did they 391 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:48.119 switch into the esoteric studies, these sacred studies that everyone's 392 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.160 curious about and thousands of books have been written on 393 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.240 this bent towards the occult. 394 00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:02.119 Yeah, that's a very good question, because I don't know 395 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:07.880 that there's a clear line of evolution, if you want 396 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:11.279 to call it that. But they they started out being 397 00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:18.319 definitely trained as warriors. They were looked at as potentially 398 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.759 martyrs if necessary, very very violent. It was a military order. 399 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:27.759 But over time the need for the military aspect of 400 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:31.359 it sort of declined, you know, considering this was like 401 00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:33.799