1 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:20,359 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,320 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at The Federalist, 3 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,839 and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. As always, 4 00:00:29,879 --> 00:00:32,560 you can email the show at radio at the Federalist 5 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,200 dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, make 6 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,200 sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and of 7 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,320 course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,159 Our guest today is Michael Patrick Lahey, CEO and editor 9 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,880 in chief of the Star News Network, a chain of 10 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:56,000 conservative news outlets across the country. The network's anchor publication, 11 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,799 Tennessee Star, has released the manifesto Audrey Elizabeth Hale, the 12 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,200 twenty seven year old woman identifying as a trans man 13 00:01:05,719 --> 00:01:10,239 who in March twenty twenty three, murdered six people, including 14 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:14,359 three nine year olds, at the Covenant School in Nashville. 15 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,879 She was fatally shot by responding police officers. Michael returns 16 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:25,519 to us after releasing a part of the information earlier 17 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,680 this summer. Michael, thanks so much for being with us 18 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,359 on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 19 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,159 Speaker 2: Matt is always great to be with you, and of 20 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:37,319 course you and I have worked together in the past. Yes, 21 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,719 just before you joined the Federalists, you were with us 22 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,200 at the STARNWS network, our lead political reporter. Did a 23 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:48,239 great job, and you have very very personal information about 24 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,200 this because you were the lead reporter with us at 25 00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:55,439 the Tennessee Star when we began reporting on the March 26 00:01:55,519 --> 00:02:01,079 twenty seventh, twenty twenty three murder murder murders of three 27 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,680 innocent nine year old students and three staffers at Covenant School, 28 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:10,719 and of course the saga began there and seeking the 29 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:16,000 information about the killer, twenty eight year old Audrey Elizabeth Hale, 30 00:02:16,599 --> 00:02:20,400 biological female who self identified as a transgender male. 31 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and for full disclosure, I said this in our 32 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:28,560 last conversation. I am a plaintiff in a lawsuit filed 33 00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:32,039 by the Star News Network Michael Patrick. Lahy of course 34 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,840 is a plaintiff as well in that against the FBI, 35 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,159 which also has been holding on to this information, and 36 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,439 of course the Metro Nashville Police Department. 37 00:02:43,479 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: That's the lawsuit that. 38 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: You filed and are fighting in Tennessee court right now. 39 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: The battle has also. 40 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,599 Speaker 1: Included and we're going to get into the details of 41 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:59,159 the manifesto coming up. But you have had your you 42 00:02:59,199 --> 00:03:04,000 have had some experienceiences dealing with a judge in a 43 00:03:04,199 --> 00:03:09,560 court that has threatened to put you in prison simply 44 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,879 because you were doing your job as a journalist. 45 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,439 Speaker 2: Right in the I think last time I was on 46 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,759 we just had the show cause hearing in that particular case. 47 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,560 I was back in June of this year. And you know, 48 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:28,479 we filed two lawsuits. You're part of one of them 49 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,120 as a plaintiff. Met in May of twenty twenty three, 50 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:38,080 after we had attempted to ask very politely of the 51 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,680 Metro Nashville government Metro National Police Department to release these documents, 52 00:03:43,719 --> 00:03:48,199 and we want just the writings of the killer, Audriylasworth Hale, 53 00:03:48,719 --> 00:03:55,840 which include the ninety page diary or journal that we 54 00:03:55,879 --> 00:03:58,800 released earlier this week. That was ninety pages she wrote 55 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,360 from January one of twenty twenty three to March twenty 56 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:08,599 seventh of twenty twenty three and left that journal in 57 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:12,159 her vehicle on the day of the murders, a spiral 58 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,159 notebook which she also left in her vehicle on the 59 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:18,519 day of the murders, which was basically an operational plan 60 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,839 of attack, and then on the afternoon of the murders. 61 00:04:22,879 --> 00:04:26,959 After she was killed and mister National Police Department, along 62 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:33,439 with the FBI and agents of the ATF went into 63 00:04:33,519 --> 00:04:38,279 her house legal search warrant and seized a number of items, 64 00:04:38,319 --> 00:04:43,360 including twenty journals that she had written between twenty and 65 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,199 seven and twenty twenty two. These were basically her writings. 66 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:52,199 Were the twenty journals found in her house, the spiral 67 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,120 notebook found in her car, and then the journal for 68 00:04:56,199 --> 00:04:58,800 the last three of her three months of her life 69 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,160 found in her car. On March twenty seventh, we asked 70 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:06,959 politely if we could get all those writings. International Police 71 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:10,920 Department said no, and in a compliance with the Tennessee 72 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,720 Public Records Act, we sued them and that that lawsuit 73 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:16,879 has been going on for some time at the same 74 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,759 time when these things happened. That as you know, when 75 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:23,040 there's a mass murder at a school, a school shooting, 76 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:29,079 the local police and the FBI begin the investigations jointly, 77 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,720 and so all of the documents we saw are also 78 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,120 in the possession of the FBI. So we filed the 79 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,360 Freedom of Inframation Act request you did, actually and I 80 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,399 signed it. We both signed it. Of the FBI, they 81 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,839 declined that and so we sued them in federal court. 82 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,000 That case is still in federal court. A federal district 83 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:58,079 judge here in Middle Tennessee, since well, since when was this, 84 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:02,439 since since May this has been reviewing all these documents 85 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:05,519 and is deciding whether they're releasing that's a federal case, 86 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:11,680 now the state case you're referencing. The judge took over 87 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,959 a year to review these documents, and in June of 88 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,839 this year had still not decided what she was going 89 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:27,079 to do. We legally obtained the ninety page journal of 90 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,680 the writings from January of twenty twenty three to March 91 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:33,040 twenty seventh of twenty twenty three of the killer Audie 92 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:39,720 Elizabeth Hale. Now, along with about two hundred investigative documents 93 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:45,000 from Metronational Police Department's investigation and hundreds of crime scene photos. 94 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,199 We obtained those legally from a source familiar with the 95 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,160 investigation in early June, and we began writing stories based 96 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:57,199 on the journals and some of those documents. We never 97 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,000 published any of the of the pages of the journal 98 00:07:01,079 --> 00:07:04,120 or the images the pictures of those They just the 99 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,240 judge said, oh, you know, after being alerted to this 100 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,639 by a local television reporter for Great Television on WSMV. 101 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:15,560 Oh yeah, well, he's writing stories about these at the 102 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,920 Tennessee Star. She hauled me into court and said, well, 103 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,279 you got to show cause why I shouldn't hit you 104 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:24,759 with contempt of court charges and put you in jail. 105 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:27,879 And we said, well, what the court order you're talking 106 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:30,000 about here? There's no court order to that effect, and 107 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,000 she said, oh, yeah, never mind. Anyways. A month later, 108 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,639 a month later she issued her ruling. She cited the 109 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,240 Tennessee Public Records Act, which has an exception if there's 110 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:46,000 no ongoing investigation, you can't release these documents. And then 111 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,560 but then she also made up this copyright infringe, the 112 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:55,480 copyright claim that the very complicated the owners that the 113 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,839 parents of the killer claimed that the killer died and tested, 114 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,839 there's a dispute about that. And then they quote transferred 115 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:06,319 the ownership to this group called the Covenant Pearance Trust. 116 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,920 They claim ownership, they claim copyright rights right, and because 117 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:16,920 of that, the judge wrongly and incorrectly decided not to 118 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:21,720 release anything. We are appealing that, of course, and will 119 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:25,720 win in the end. But it took us from the 120 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:30,680 time we got these documents in June of twenty twenty five. 121 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,639 With all these legalur twists and turns, we had to 122 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:36,919 make sure before we released them earlier this week that 123 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,080 we had representation. In case the judge, the Tennessee Court 124 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:47,159 Judge one to resurrect the phony contempt of court charges, 125 00:08:47,639 --> 00:08:49,600 I got to have an attorney to represent me on that. 126 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,720 And then in case the Covenant Parents Trust wants to 127 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:00,440 go into federal court and assert copyright infringement, which again bogus, 128 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,759 but they could, they could do it, we had to 129 00:09:02,799 --> 00:09:05,559 have an attorney represent us there, and Harmy Dillon, the 130 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,320 Great Harmy Dillon's Law firm as agreed to represent us 131 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,960 in any copyright infringement lawsuits if they were to come. 132 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,879 So that's how that's the genesis of this. Matt Well, I. 133 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: Would say that you have expert, expert legal advice going 134 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:24,519 into this, and you know, let's face it, these were 135 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:28,720 some pretty concerning times to be a journalist. First and foremost, 136 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,600 I don't understand how they can continue to make the 137 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:35,200 argument that this is an ongoing investigation. The killer is 138 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,320 dead they have said, and law enforcement officials have said, 139 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:44,320 and nobody else was acting along with Audrey, Elizabeth Hale 140 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:49,200 and so you have that. Are you concerned that you 141 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,720 may face another threat on your liberty in this case 142 00:09:53,799 --> 00:09:54,519 moving forward? 143 00:09:55,039 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: I think it's it's a possibility. But when the judge 144 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:04,559 all mean to court on June seventeenth, twenty twenty four, 145 00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:08,360 to respond to her show coust hearing order to explain 146 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,000 why she shouldn't put me in jail for contempt of court, 147 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,159 she based that right all on the claim that made 148 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:22,120 by this other reporter. It's different the WSMV here that 149 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:25,039 somehow we violated a quote order. There's no such court order. 150 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,879 She never produced that Coote order. She has a court order, 151 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:31,840 but it just simply says how documents are submitted to 152 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:34,720 the court. That's all it has to do with. She 153 00:10:34,799 --> 00:10:38,200 would not allow when we got in for that court 154 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,960 show cause hearing, she changed the hill topic to a 155 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,399 landscape review of the case. In other words, did she 156 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:48,919 still have to rule in the case. Well, of course 157 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,240 she did, because we only had had in our possession 158 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,039 ninety pages of the thousand pages to kill her gridden, 159 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,039 which is what we'd wanted. An hour and five minutes 160 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,320 of that hearing was to ask every other attorney in 161 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,360 the room, you know, three representing other plaintiffs, three representing 162 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,360 intervener groups. She'd allowed in one representing the respondent if 163 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,240 A there was something to decide, and they said, yeah, 164 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,600 your honor, hurry up and decide. And then b if 165 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:21,000 they thought I ad violated a court order, and they 166 00:11:21,039 --> 00:11:24,559 all said no. But she left sort of the sort 167 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,799 of damocles hanging over that. She said, well, yeah, I'll 168 00:11:27,799 --> 00:11:30,240 make the underlying case decision, and then I'll think about 169 00:11:30,279 --> 00:11:33,279 whether or not I'll point a special prosecutor to go 170 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,159 after Layy on these trumped up charges. She didn't say 171 00:11:36,159 --> 00:11:39,039 trumped up of contempt of cord, but she'd made no 172 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,919 ruling on that effect. Our appeal went Our notice of 173 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:47,879 appeal went out a month ago, and we released the 174 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:55,399 ninety page Journal of the Killer on Tuesday. So here 175 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,559 as we record this, it's a Friday afternoon. We've not 176 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:03,279 received any notice from the judge in the underlying case yet, 177 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,600 and you know that would indicate maybe she's not going 178 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,240 to do it, because didn't go well for her last 179 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,200 time in the court of public opinion when she tried to. 180 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,799 Speaker 3: Warmer Sunnier days are calling fuel up for them, with factors, 181 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,120 no prep, no mess meals, meet your wellness goals in 182 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:24,519 time for summer. 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You had constitutional law 208 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:59,720 first Amendment law experts all on your side in this. 209 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: They should be. 210 00:14:02,159 --> 00:14:06,159 Speaker 1: As you note in your piece this week at the 211 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,200 Tennessee Star, approximately twenty additional journals written by Hale over 212 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,279 an estimated fifteen years from two thousand and seven to 213 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,639 twenty twenty two, which are said to contain about one 214 00:14:17,759 --> 00:14:22,639 thousand pages. She was prolific, That's for sure, continue to 215 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:26,720 remain under wraps by the Metro National Police Department more 216 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:30,240 than a year after the shooting took place. Other documents 217 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:33,919 related to the case, including Hale's full twenty two year 218 00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:41,159 long medical log while being treated at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, 219 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,840 which was first reported by the Star, also remains under wraps, 220 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:50,440 as MmpD cites an ongoing investigation once again for the 221 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:55,080 refusal to make such documents public. What do these ninety 222 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,639 pages show that you have published, and what have you 223 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:06,120 learned about her treatment as a very confused individual, to 224 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,399 say the least, someone who then ultimately became extremely violent, 225 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,960 as someone who claimed to be a transgender individual, a 226 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,559 woman who claimed to be a man. What have you 227 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:21,679 learned about all of that from your reporting? 228 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: Well, it's stunning if you actually look at her handwriting 229 00:15:27,159 --> 00:15:31,919 in these ninety pages. This is a very, very mentally 230 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:36,039 ill person who's crying out for help. Literally on every page, 231 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:39,639 she talks about how much she hates herself, how much 232 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:45,759 she hates her female body, how much she regrets. She wonders, 233 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,879 why does my brain not work? She has this unrequited 234 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:58,720 love for some basketball teammates that she had from middle 235 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:04,440 school fifteen years earlier, sixteen years earlier. Both of them 236 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:11,120 were African American, and she never apparently had much of 237 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,519 a relationship with them, but she sought that relationship. She 238 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:18,639 talked about her imaginary penis, She called herself this boy 239 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:20,879 in the world. She said she wanted to kill her father. 240 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,200 I mean just ninety pages of deep, dark, disturbed, disturbed 241 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:34,480 thoughts of this very unhappy twenty eight year old woman 242 00:16:35,039 --> 00:16:39,320 who described herself as aiden, wanted to be a male, 243 00:16:39,399 --> 00:16:44,039 says she needed a transgender doctor. So all very disturbing, 244 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,639 very sad, And that's the I mean, I think the 245 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:51,799 takeaway on all this is there's been such a misdirection 246 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:57,399 about what this particular school shooting was about. This was 247 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,039 a massive failure of the mental health system books she 248 00:17:01,159 --> 00:17:05,000 had been and we've discovered, as you know, Matt, when 249 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:10,480 we obtained legally obtained not just the journal from twenty 250 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:16,960 twenty three, but the investigative documents. A Metro National Police 251 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,519 department in June of twenty twenty three secured a subpoena 252 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,000 a warrant to get the medical records of Audrey Elizabeth 253 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:29,720 Hale as she'd been treated at Vannerbilt University, and in 254 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:33,519 that we also got the notes of the lead investigative reporter, 255 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:38,599 and he reported in his notes that she told Vannerbilt 256 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,039 University Medical Center professionals she wanted to kill her father 257 00:17:43,559 --> 00:17:47,799 and she fantasized about the conducting a mass shooting at 258 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:53,240 a school. Now that's very troubling. There is a law 259 00:17:53,279 --> 00:17:55,640 in the state of Tennessee called the duty to war 260 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,480 and that requires anyone a mental health professional, medical professional, 261 00:18:01,519 --> 00:18:06,319 and medical institution they have a patient who is threatening 262 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,279 the life of someone else, they have a duty to warn. 263 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,240 That duty, actually, in the laws that existed at that time, 264 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:18,680 was just to warn the individual who was threatened. They 265 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,720 didn't do that, didn't tell the father, didn't tell any 266 00:18:21,759 --> 00:18:26,839 school that she was threatening to kill multiple people there 267 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:32,240 and so law there's no criminal penalty for the failure 268 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:36,359 in their duty to warn, but there is a civil liability. 269 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,960 Nobody knew about that, Matt until we published the stories 270 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:46,200 based upon the investigative articles of the investigative documents in 271 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:48,920 June of twenty twenty four. 272 00:18:50,599 --> 00:18:55,759 Speaker 1: Have you heard from Vanderbilt. I would suspect that we 273 00:18:55,799 --> 00:18:58,839 could see some litigation out of this. We could definitely 274 00:18:58,839 --> 00:19:04,720 see some lawsuits. Is Vanderbilt sweating over all of this? 275 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,559 Speaker 2: We've asked now, just one thing to be clear, Vanderbilt 276 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:17,680 University and Vanderbilt University Medical Center became two legally separate 277 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:23,119 entities in about twenty sixteen. Okay, so the medical institution, 278 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,480 Vanderbilt University Medical Center has within it a Vanderbilt University 279 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:33,519 Psychiatric Hospital. And we have sent them requests for comments 280 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:37,319 multiple times to confirm or deny. And I know you'll 281 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:40,839 be shocked by this, but they haven't really confirmed to deny. 282 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,240 I will tell the person who ran Vanderbilt University Psychiatric 283 00:19:44,839 --> 00:19:50,039 Hospital suddenly resigned like about a week after we broke 284 00:19:50,079 --> 00:19:54,839 the story. So I think that interesting. So I think 285 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,960 right now now you might think, well, back to the 286 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,720 interests of the parents. You know that they are the 287 00:20:01,759 --> 00:20:06,200 group that calls itself the Covenant School Parents Trust, the 288 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:11,240 Covenant Parents Trust. That's a group of parents of kids 289 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,599 at Covenant School. The thing is like, it's a K 290 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:17,000 through six school and there's maybe four hundred kids there. 291 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:21,599 That Covenant Parents Trust includes parents of kids who were 292 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:25,200 there that day. I think it may include one or two, 293 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,680 may include parents of the of the kids who were 294 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:34,559 killed that day, but not I don't think all of them. 295 00:20:35,319 --> 00:20:40,079 But they, you know, they want to bury this the 296 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,279 writings of Elizabeth and it makes no sense. They're claiming 297 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,359 their argument, they're claiming that it would, you know, be 298 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,480 hurtful to the kids. Again, well, the kids are probably 299 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:53,440 not going to read this stuff. But even if they did, 300 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:59,960 what we revealed shows just the depths of the mental 301 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,640 health problem that Audrey Elizabeth Hanil has. And you would 302 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,279 think that the parents would want to know, you know, 303 00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:12,319 what caused this. We do have a reason to believe 304 00:21:13,279 --> 00:21:18,680 that the Vanderberg University Medical Center has an interest in 305 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:23,880 not having this released, of these articles released, or anything released, 306 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:30,440 because of the potential exposure to civiliability. Right. And we think, 307 00:21:31,079 --> 00:21:36,319 although we're not sure that one or two parents of 308 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,160 the kids that are deceased, they're just trying to make 309 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,200 it through the day, even a year, and us later 310 00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:45,839 think of that, think Matt, think, I think of any 311 00:21:46,039 --> 00:21:50,240 parent a ten year old You've got your entire future 312 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,119 with this nine year old, sweet nine year old child, 313 00:21:54,759 --> 00:21:58,279 go to school one day and they're dead. Sorry to 314 00:21:58,319 --> 00:22:02,680 break it is stating. And so those parents, I think, 315 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,160 I've never talked to any of them, but sources that 316 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:09,720 do talk to them, they're just trying to make it 317 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,599 from day to day. I do think that some of 318 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,799 those parents may now be thinking, well, my goodness, what 319 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:22,839 would have happened if the Vanderbilt University Medical Center professionals 320 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,119 had not failed in their duty to warn? 321 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,079 Speaker 1: I would as a parent, I would I would imagine 322 00:22:31,319 --> 00:22:34,279 most parents would feel that way. Our guest today is 323 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,480 Michael Patrick Leahy, CEO and editor in chief of the 324 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,640 Star News Network, chain of conservative news outlets across the country. 325 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,319 As you may know, the network's anchor publication, the Tennessee Star, 326 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:52,279 has released the manifesto. The full ninety pages of the manifesto, 327 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:56,400 published it at the Star News Network. That's the manifesto 328 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,039 of Audrey Elizabeth Hale, the twenty eight year old woman 329 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:03,440 identifying as a trans man, who murdered six people, including 330 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,519 three young children, in March of twenty twenty three, at 331 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:15,160 the Covenant Presbyterian School in Nashville. That's the fine line here. 332 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:21,240 And I know there's a piece recently that includes comment 333 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,160 from a mutual friend of ours in Tennessee, a great 334 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,559 lady who has been at the forefront for a long 335 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,880 time of First Amendment and particularly journalist rights and the 336 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,519 public's right to know. And that is the balancing act 337 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:39,160 that's gone on here. As you mentioned, you know, as 338 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,200 I was reporting on these stories with the Star News Network, 339 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:47,079 I always felt that tug that poll, thinking about the 340 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,279 parents of these three beautiful young children who will never 341 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:55,440 return to them. And as you said, every day just 342 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,799 trying to get through the day knowing that their dear 343 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,559 child was murdered in school. And I can understand why 344 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:07,920 you wouldn't want to revisit that, But I also, as 345 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,160 a journalist and as a citizen, understand the public's right 346 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:15,599 to know, if anything else, to prevent something like this, 347 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,839 or at least to give the information that's so critical 348 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,920 to prevent something like this from happening. Ever, again, I 349 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,680 know that that is the tight rope that you at 350 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,880 The Star and others have faced in reporting on this story. 351 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:38,519 Speaker 2: You're exactly right, you know. Here's the thing. As a journalist, 352 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,400 what you want is you want to obtain documents that 353 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,319 you should legally have from public entities. We should have these, 354 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,000 We should have all of these documents under the Tennessee 355 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:55,960 Public Records Act. The exclusion and you talked about this earlier. 356 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,000 There is an exclusion under the Tennessee Public Records Act 357 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:04,160 for the release of documents such as this from public 358 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:10,519 institutions because when there's an ongoing investigation, Matt, there is 359 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:14,480 no ongoing investigation. It is a stalling tactic and they 360 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:19,640 continue to stall. Look in March, a lieutenant from Metro 361 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,599 Nashville Police Department went into courting and gave a document 362 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,400 and said, yeah, we think we'll wrap this up in July. Well, 363 00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:31,200 here we are early September. We asked them at the 364 00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:34,119 at the end of August, hey, when you're gonna wrap 365 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,039 it up. We're still working on it. It's not true. 366 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,960 It's not true at all. What they're doing is they're stalling. 367 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:44,720 They don't want this information out. They don't want to 368 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,240 embarrass certain people, some powerful people. They probably don't want 369 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,400 to embarrass University Medical Center. And ideologically, and this is 370 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,839 more probably where more of the FBI comes in, they 371 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:03,279 don't want to expose the psychological difficulties that in psychiatric 372 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,400 difficulties at this young woman who aspired to who self 373 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,880 identified as a transgender had That's the bottom line here 374 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,559 on this manut. 375 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:16,279 Speaker 1: That is a very critical point. That's what I wanted 376 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:19,400 to ask you, because you know, as you mentioned the 377 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,799 local police department, an official there said, well, we should 378 00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:27,079 be wrapped up in July. You know, we are now 379 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,920 well into September and still no wrap up of the investigation. 380 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:35,720 But they also told the Star News Network and others 381 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,079 in a letter a deposition actually in the case that 382 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,359 it would take about a year to finish up that case. 383 00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:47,759 This case should have been wrapped up in March of 384 00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:51,319 this year, and obviously we're still here. How much pressure 385 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:57,200 do you think that the Biden Department of Justice, which 386 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:03,480 runs the FBI is putting on the local police department 387 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,720 Nashville Metro in general to keep this information out of 388 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:13,559 the public eye because of exactly what you said, because 389 00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:15,480 of identity politics. 390 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,599 Speaker 2: Our huge amount of pressure and we have evidence to 391 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:21,119 support that, as you know, Matt, Among the documents we 392 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:26,359 legally obtained were investigative documents from a source familiar with 393 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,480 the investigation. And it is a memo, a three page 394 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,279 memo sent from the Behavioral Assessment Unit of the FBI 395 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,400 located in Quantico, Virginia, dated I think May eleventh, twenty 396 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:45,079 twenty three, from two Metro Nashville Police Chief John Drake, 397 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:52,960 and the subject line is protection of legacy tokens. And 398 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:56,079 you know when we saw that, Matt, I looked at 399 00:27:56,079 --> 00:28:00,799 it and I said, what on earth is a legacy token? Yeah? Right, 400 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,400 I mean, you do a search for legacy token in 401 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,039 any of the search engine, it's hard to find something, well, 402 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,000 except for our article in it now, right, A legacy 403 00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:16,680 token is a term the FBI invented maybe twenty fifteen, 404 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,960 twenty sixteen, and they use it internally. It means any 405 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:28,279 writings or social media postings or drawings or other information 406 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:35,960 left behind by a mass murderer to explain their motivation. Okay, Now, 407 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,839 in this memo, the FBI, oh bitter National Police Department 408 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,799 never ever ever released any of these legacy tokens. Why, well, 409 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:51,039 there might be copycats and it might cause undue harm 410 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:55,440 to certain vulnerable groups. Well, vulnerable group were talking about here, 411 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,720 Matt Well, obviously in this instance a trans gender killer, 412 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,160 right right, that's the political motivation on it. Oh but wait, 413 00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:09,519 there was more in that memo. They also said, oh, 414 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,400 just as a reminder, Chief Drake, there is precedent for 415 00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:18,000 the destruction of legacy tokens. And they went back and 416 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:22,440 cited to nineteen ninety nine Columbine killings, where there apparently 417 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,680 were some very disturbing videotapes left behind and apparently some 418 00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:31,519 of them were destroyed. Now, they didn't say, hey, if 419 00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,759 you want to destroy some of these documents, go ahead, 420 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,319 but they made it clear if you choose to destroy them, 421 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:41,519 we won't complain. 422 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 4: Will anyone reiterate how ridiculously expensive illegal immigration has become. 423 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:51,359 The Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 424 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,279 Every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and 425 00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,759 the economy and how it affects your wallet. Last year, 426 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,279 our government spent one hundred and fifty billion dollars take 427 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,039 care of our legal immigration problem. With inflation, that number 428 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:05,680 is much worse. Has that number gone up in twenty 429 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,880 twenty four. 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And I think this has significant And 438 00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:46,039 I'll ask you, do you believe this has significant implications 439 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,279 on where we go from here in terms of journalism, 440 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:54,240 in terms of reporting, in terms of the public's right 441 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:54,480 to know. 442 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does. And that's why you know, we 443 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,119 have been so doggedly pursuing is Matt. I mean, it's 444 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,319 just obvious that this is important information that is in 445 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,559 the public interest to release. And here in Tennessee, I 446 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:17,680 think it would be very clear that Metro Nashville Police 447 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:23,240 Department is, let's use this term evading the law, right, 448 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:28,440 they're evading the law by making up this claim that 449 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,720 there's an ongoing investigation. Now, there is a statutory exception 450 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:39,160 to releasing documents like this where there is an ongoing investigation, 451 00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:43,519 but there really isn't one, and they're pretending there is. Now, 452 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:48,680 the judge in this case, Aisha Miles, I would say, 453 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,160 is subverting the law, and her decision to cite this 454 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,319 purported copyright claim of the Covenan Appearance Trust is an 455 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,200 utter subversion of the law because that is copyright law, 456 00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:09,640 and copyright claims are a federal issue, right state issue. 457 00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:13,519 A state judge has nothing to do with it at all, 458 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,039 And so she just invented that idea or accepted the 459 00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:23,279 intervening group's idea of that in order to prevent the 460 00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:25,880 public from knowing what it should know and has the 461 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:26,759 legal right to know. 462 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,559 Speaker 1: So then the final question, what's next in terms of 463 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:38,000 the timelines in terms of the court proceedings. Obviously, you 464 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:41,839 and I as let's just say, we're a little long 465 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,599 in the tooth in the recording world. We've been around 466 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:47,039 the block a few times. We know that the wheels 467 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:51,960 of justice turn extremely slowly. They have done as much 468 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:57,880 in this case. What's next in this nationally watched case, 469 00:32:58,319 --> 00:32:58,759 in this. 470 00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 2: Particular case, I think think the judge, the federal judge, 471 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,640 Alita Troger, who's been reviewing all of these documents that 472 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,519 we're requesting, you know, the one thousand pages of her writings, 473 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:16,160 of which we have obtained legally only ninety pages independent 474 00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:19,079 from the litigation, and we've released all those ninety pages. 475 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:25,200 You know, she is a very thorough judge. We're September now. 476 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,640 I think she'll make a ruling sometime before the end 477 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,200 of the year. I don't know what it will be. 478 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,000 That's the federal case. In the state case, the appeals 479 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,799 court will take up the argument and they'll make a ruling, 480 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:42,960 probably in early twenty twenty five. If they rule against us, 481 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,839 which I don't think they will, but if they do, well, 482 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,200 will appeal to the Tennessee Supreme Court. They would take 483 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,640 it up maybe in the summer of next year. They 484 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,559 would rule before the end of next year. I will 485 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,680 ultimately win it because there is no the lower court. 486 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,200 The trial court judge made up an exception to the statute, 487 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,480 and she doesn't have the right to do that. The 488 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,599 Tennessee General semi does. I think you'll see in this 489 00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:14,360 session of the Tennessee General Assembly you may see a 490 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,440 rejection of copyright claims specifically within state statute come out, 491 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,239 and I think the governor would sign that as well. 492 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,039 So that's what I think the future of this case 493 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:33,119 looks like. Will the Covenant Parents trust sue US for 494 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,800 copyright infringement in federal court? I think the jury is 495 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,639 very much out on that, if you'll excuse a pun. 496 00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:42,199 The first thing they have to do in order to 497 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,320 be able to sue you for copyright infringement in federal court, 498 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,559 they have to submit the writings to get to register 499 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,360 it with the US Copyright Office. I think. I don't 500 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,920 think they have any of the thousand pages currently on 501 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:03,519 a review by the federal judge, or the pages that 502 00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:07,239 were review of the writings that under review by the 503 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,119 state judge. I don't think they have any of those 504 00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,519 in their possession. If they do have something in their possession, 505 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:15,760 it's the ninety pages that we downloaded that has the 506 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:22,320 Tendency Star watermark on from the writings in twenty twenty three. 507 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,159 So I don't know how they register it, but you know, 508 00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:29,320 they've they've been represented by very clever and capable attorneys. 509 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,280 And then so it's possible that sometime before the end 510 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,239 of the year, the Covenant Parents Trust could file a 511 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,920 copyright infringement lawsuit against US in federal court. Gonna costs 512 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,159 a lot of money for them to do that, and 513 00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,480 it's a frivolous case. They're going to lose it, but 514 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:50,679 they might. They might do it just you know, to 515 00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:54,639 try to chill our First Amendment rights. Well it's not working. 516 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: It is interesting to me that if they indeed go 517 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,639 through the pre US as a filing for copyright putting 518 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,480 all of those documents in, do those documents then become 519 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,679 a matter of public record under federal Freedom of Information 520 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:11,960 Act laws? 521 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,599 Speaker 2: I think they do also, And again we've got a 522 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,679 terrific copyright attorneys in the deal in Armony Dillon's Law 523 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,760 from the Dylan group, Ron Coleman. It's going to be 524 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,559 the lead copyright attorney on this, and we've heard not 525 00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:32,840 from him, but from other sources that actually there is 526 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,920 a court precedent. And I haven't confirmed this yet, but 527 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,679 I've heard there's a court president that any documents or 528 00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:46,400 writings obtained by the FBI immediately lose any copyright claim. 529 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:50,800 So I haven't confirmed that. You know, the way these 530 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,280 things are matters, you know, when you get involved in it, 531 00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:57,760 there's so many precedents and twists and turns and statutes 532 00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:01,960 and anticipate that you know, you deal with in in 533 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,320 a trial court. I think right now there's a there's 534 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,280 a possibility that that the Covenant Pearance Trust could sue 535 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,119 us in better court for copyright infringement. I think the 536 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,000 claim is so frivolous that that they will lose in 537 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:24,159 federal in the district court. If they appeal it, they'll 538 00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:25,960 lose on appeal. So there you go. 539 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: Well, it is an extremely important case. It is the 540 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:37,239 cross section of the First Amendment really and identity politics 541 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,719 in America unfortunately at this point in our history. And 542 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,360 I appreciate you and the Star News Network fighting a 543 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:51,440 good fight for anybody who espouses to love the First Amendment. 544 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,840 This is core to exactly what we're talking about in 545 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,440 that amendment. 546 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,679 Speaker 2: Well, Matt, thank you so much for giving me this 547 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,599 opportunity to talk to everybody that listens to the Federals 548 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,480 Radio Hour. It is important, and I suspect this may 549 00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:10,559 not be the last. 550 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,639 Speaker 1: Time you and I talk about this. No, not in 551 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,280 the least. In fact, I wanted to have you on. 552 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,400 We had you on earlier in the summer as a 553 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,559 status report and where this case was. I had intended 554 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,960 to have you back on soon. Events, of course, dictate 555 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,119 schedules and the release of those ninety pages now fully 556 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:36,079 publicly kind of set the invitation back, set it up 557 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,639 a step. So I appreciate the generosity of your time. 558 00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:43,559 Thanks to my guest today, Michael Patrick Leahy CEO and 559 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,159 editor in chief of the Star News Network. You've been 560 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:50,400 listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm 561 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,119 Matt Kittle, senior correspondent at The Federalist. We'll be back 562 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:58,480 soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom and 563 00:38:58,639 --> 00:38:59,679 anxious for the Fray. 564 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:01,199 Speaker 2: Botan