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Speaker 1: Shortly before midnight on July the twenty second, nineteen ninety one,

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two Milwaukee police officers were flagged down in their patrol

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car by a man with a pair of handcuffs dangling

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from one wrist. The police had no idea that this

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bizarre encounter would lead to the arrest of one of

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the most prolific serial killers in US history.

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Speaker 2: That night, people were afraid. People were whispering under their breaths.

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It was the devil, It's the devil.

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Speaker 1: The man had escaped from a small one bedroom apartment

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on North twenty fifth Street. When the officers went to investigate,

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they found themselves in a living nightmare.

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Speaker 3: They saw the body parts and then one of the

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officers that he heard a scream. Then he realized he

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was the one who screened when he saw.

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Speaker 1: The body without detection. Thirty one year old Jeffrey Dahmer

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had killed seventeen young men across a thirteen year period.

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Speaker 4: He hasn't got the same level of repulsion and shock

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dead bodies or mutilated bodies that most of us have.

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It was just another aspect of his life.

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Damer had etched his name in history as one

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of the world's most evil killers. The name Jeffrey Dama

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has become synonymous with evil. Between nineteen seventy eight and

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nineteen ninety one, he killed seventeen young men and boys

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by drugging them before strangling them to death. As the

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revelations of the murders came to light, it was the

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behavior of Dama once he killed his victims that really

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stunned the world with stories of necrophilia and cannibalism. The

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first journalist to arrive at the crime scene was Annie Schwartz.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a gory crime scene. It was really quite antiseptic.

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It was a very simple one bedroom with a kitchen

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and a living room, and it looked like a regular

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single guy lived there. Some dishes in the scene, but

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by and large, this was not some chamber of horrors

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like people you know will describe it, certainly not at

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first look. Once detectives and officers started searching further, that's

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when they found out the actual horror was in that apartment.

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Speaker 1: The story of this macabre killer begins thirty years before

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his arrest. Jeffrey Dahmer was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on

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May the twenty first, nineteen sixty the family moved to

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Iowa before settling in Ohio in nineteen sixty six.

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Speaker 5: If you live with his parents, who were constantly, constantly,

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as he put it, at each other's throats, you know,

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his mother appeared to have been, you know, this raging

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bundle of neurotic behavior of parents were constantly fighting and screaming.

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And you know, Dahmer himself evidently throughout much of his

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early life, was completely completely ignored by both of them

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were so caught up in their own psychological turmoil.

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Darmer never really made close social links with any

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of his peers. He was a little bit odd, and

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if you speak to his school friends at the time,

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he didn't seem to have a lot of empathy for

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other children. So when children would fall over in the

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playground or get hurt or cry, he didn't appear to

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be affected by that and would sometimes laugh at them.

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So something wasn't quite right with a young Jeffrey Darmer.

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Speaker 1: Feeling ostra size by his family and classmates, Dama spent

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a lot of time playing alone in the woods surrounding

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his Ohio home.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 4: He had a really morbid curiosity with death from quite

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a young age, and This started with a fairly innocent

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insect collection, and he would keep the bodies of insects

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inside jars full of chemicals.

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Speaker 6: This soon progressed.

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Speaker 4: He would go fishing, and he was interested in what

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the fish look like on the inside, so he would

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chop up the fish to have a look at this.

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Speaker 2: Damer took his fish and cut it open. It was

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fascinated with the inside of the fish, and one of

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his little friends asked him, Jeffrey, why do you what

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are you doing?

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Speaker 5: And he said, just look at it, you know, And this,

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you know, escalates, you know, to the point that it's

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you know, he's apparently killing stray dogs and you know,

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decapitating them.

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Speaker 4: One of the young boys in the neighborhood was walking

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in the woods behind Damo's house when Dahmer was a teenager,

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and he came across the body of a dead dog

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and it was mutilated and it was nailed to a tree.

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Speaker 5: So there's some early interest in animal anatomy that blossoms

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into this very very dark obsession and then somehow becomes

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tangled up with his own sexuality.

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Speaker 1: Dahma continued to struggle to fit in at high school

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and turn to alcohol from a young age.

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Speaker 4: Well, Dahma started drinking when he was at school, and

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one of his former classmates remembered that he used to

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come in with a cup and he didn't have tea

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or coffee in this cup. He had scotch whiskey in it.

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So this was quite a disturbing behavior for a teenager.

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Speaker 2: There's a thought that, in hindsight, you ask why more

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people didn't try to intervene. You've got a kid coming

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drunk to school. But back in the seventies, when Dahmer's

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coming to school intoxicated, nobody thinks we better make sure

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we take care of this because what if he turns

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out to be a serial killer.

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Speaker 1: In the summer of nineteen seventy eight, Dama's parents finally divorced.

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Speaker 4: The breakdown of Jeffrey Darmer's parents' marriage was quite a

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tough time for him. His parents were at each other's throats.

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It was not an amicable divorce at all, and each

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of them was forcing him to side with them. So

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he felt very much torn between his parents. So this

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was a real source of conflict for him, and I

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think at this time. Children often who have these experiences

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will retreat into themselves. They will preoccupy themselves with things

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that they're interested in and will lose themselves in their

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own fantasy world.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's very much what happened with Darma.

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Speaker 1: Having just recently graduated from high school, Darma soon had

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no one around him at all.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 4: In nineteen seventy eight, Jeffrey Darmer was eighteen. His mother

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had gone away with his younger brother, and his father

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was living in a hotel, and he's ruminating and he's fantasizing,

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and things are going to take her a turn for

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the worst.

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Speaker 6: Quite soon after.

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Speaker 1: This, on June the eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight, Dahmer's fantasy

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world collided with the real one when he pulled over

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to pick up a nineteen year old hitchhiker called Stephen Hicks.

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Speaker 5: Dahmer picked him up and invited him back to his

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house to have some drinks and I guess maybe smoke

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some dope.

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Speaker 2: They were in the basement of his parents' home. They

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had had sex, and then Stephen Hicks wanted to leave,

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and that was when Dahmer just wanted so badly to

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have company. Sounds like such a textbook psychological thing, you know,

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abandonment syndrome, but this was at the heart of what

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made him so needy for company.

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Speaker 5: And then when the guy said he wanted to leave,

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Dahmer clubbed him on the back of the head with

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a bar bell and then strangled him, then ultimately dispoke

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to the body, removed all the flesh and eventually dissolved

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in an acid, and pulverized the bones with a sledgehammer.

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Speaker 6: This is a really, really brutal crime.

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Speaker 4: And he disposes of the body parts in the woods

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behind his house. And that's a really symbolic place for

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Jeffrey Dharmer because this is a place where he's dismembered

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animals before, where he's displayed mutilated dogs on tree trunks,

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So we're seeing that this place is special to it.

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Speaker 1: Dharma had experienced taking the life of another human for

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the first time.

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Speaker 4: I think that the first murder is a real milestone

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for Jeffrey Darmer, so he knows now that he's capable

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of this. He knows that he's capable of taking someone

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else's life. So it's not just a fantasy anymore. It's

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now a reality. He's gone from harming animals to harming people,

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and he's not going to stop.

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Speaker 3: He's not desperate, but he becomes accustomed to it. He

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becomes ready to kill again.

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Speaker 4: And just kill and kill and kill and kill until

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he gets caught.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't until thirteen years later, in August nineteen

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ninety one, that Dama was finally apprehended after one of

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his potential victims escape from his Milwaukee apartment. Once in custody,

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Dahma confess to killing seventeen young men and boys. The

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man whose job it was to prosecute the relentless killer

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was Milwaukee District Attorney Mike mccannon.

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Speaker 3: The word evil doesn't come up very often. It just doesn't. Guilty,

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not guilty. Did he do it, didn't he do it?

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Culpability yes, but not often evil because evil was almost

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a moral issue. The word came up with Damer. You

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couldn't help see what he did innocent people, strangers, to

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take for a couple of hours of sex, To take

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a human being's life, that's so evil, so evil.

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Speaker 1: Dama's case made headlines across the world after the details

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of his grisly confessed and were leaked.

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Speaker 3: The New York Times reporter compronized the integrity of a

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worker at our building and got a copy of the confession.

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It was a detailed, thirty eight page confession, so the

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details of the gory things he had done again captured

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people's interests, so that's how it rapidly became a matter

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of intense interest.

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Speaker 1: The confession outlined the life of a deranged serial killer.

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After murdering Stephen Hicks and desecrating his body in nineteen

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seventy eight, Dama didn't kill again for nine years. After

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dropping out of Ohio State University after just one semester,

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he was spending most of his days drinking until his

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father urged him to enlist in the US Armor.

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Speaker 4: The alcohol continued as a theme when he joined the

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army and he moved to Germany. One of his former

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colleagues remembers him just sitting in his room drinking gin

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all day long, not even leaving his room to eat,

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so there was a real dependency on.

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Speaker 1: Our In nineteen eighty one, twenty one year old Dama

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was discharged from the Army after his drinking rendered him

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incapable of serving. After spending a month sleeping rough on

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the beaches of Florida, he returned to Ohio, but his

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father had had enough and shipped him off to start

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a new life in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 5: He was sent to live with his grandmother, who was

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the one adult. Apparently he had you know, something approaching,

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you know, a normal affection for I was there he

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really embarked on this career of horror.

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Speaker 1: By nineteen eighty six, Dama had been arrested a couple

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of times for exposing himself in public, once in front

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of a group of children. The hopeless alcoholic had managed

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to find work at a local chocolate factory in Milwaukee

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and was frequenting gay bars and bathhouses.

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Speaker 4: I think being homosexual affected Dahmer in two ways. Firstly,

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it was a sort of shame for him because it

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was quite a stigmatized social identity at the time. But

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also it enabled him an opportunity when it came to

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his killing behavior. So being homosexual at this time it

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was something that happened in the shadows. It was something

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that happened underground, and this was the ideal place for

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someone like him to go hunting.

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Speaker 1: It was this exposure to the gay scene that seemed

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to reawaken the dark sexual urges inside of him, and

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by September nineteen eighty seven, over nine years since the

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murder of Stephen Hicks, Jeffrey Dahmer was ready to kill again.

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Speaker 2: His idea was to drug people and keep them with

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him so that they wouldn't they wouldn't answer back to him,

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they wouldn't argue with him, they wouldn't fight him, they

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would stay with him.

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Speaker 7: That's what he wanted. He wanted companionship.

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Speaker 2: So he would go to the bars on Milwaukee's near

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south side and he would have conversations with people in

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these bars. And when he was talking to these people,

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these prospective victim, he would say, so, what was it

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like when you came out? How is your family about it?

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They're so supportive, I'm very close to my parents, that

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person wasn't going to be a victim. But if the

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person answered, my parents aren't speaking to me anymore, I'm

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estrange for my family.

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Speaker 7: I'm kind of on my own now.

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Speaker 2: That was the perfect victim for Jeffrey Dahmer because he

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wanted to choose people who wouldn't be missed.

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Speaker 1: Between September nineteen eighty seven and March nineteen eighty eight,

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Dama killed three men the youngest of fourteen year old

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boy who he paid to pose for nude photographs before

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drugging and strangling him to death. He would dissolve the

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bodies in acid.

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Speaker 3: He cleverly developed a program to destroy the bodies to

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get rid of the bodies, left no evidence. This was

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a very clever killer, very clever killer.

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Speaker 8: Dama would dissolve his victims, presumably to make it easier

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to dispose of them. Dissolving tissuan chemicals can certainly interfere

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with identifying it as human tissue. It'll interfere with DNA.

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You're really left predominantly with skeletal remains to try and

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identify features such as age, sex, race.

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Speaker 1: Darma murdered two of the victims at his grandmother's house

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where he was living.

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Speaker 5: As grandmother became aware that he was bringing these young

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guys back to her house. I mean she thought for

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gay sex. Obviously, she had no inkling of the atrocities

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he was committing on their bodies, although she was complaining

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also about a foul odor that she noticed.

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Speaker 1: On September the twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight, Dharma moved

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into his own apartment on North twenty fifth Street in

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Milwaukee and didn't wait long before attacking again. The very

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next day, September the twenty sixth, he enticed a thirteen

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year old boy back to his home and drugged him.

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Speaker 8: One of the methods that Dama used to subdue his

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victims was to use Benson doazepines, the same family of

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drugs as valium. He put them in drinks that would

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make you woozy, sleepy, and then eventually go unconscious.

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Speaker 1: Dama sexually assaulted the boy, but somehow, possibly due to

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Dama passing out drunk, the thirteen year old escaped and

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went to the police. In January nineteen eighty nine, he

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was convicted of sexual assault, but the sentencing was delayed

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until May, during which time an unrelenting Dama, unbeknownst to

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the authorities, managed to claim a fifth victim. The twenty

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nine year old served ten months in prison, but when

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he was released in March nineteen ninety, he picked up

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right where he left off.

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Speaker 4: So Jeffrey Dahmer really did ramp up his offending. The

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scale and the nature of his behavior became all the

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more grotesque. So he wasn't just killing people, dismembering them

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and then disposing of their bodies.

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Speaker 6: He started to do some really bizarre things.

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Speaker 5: He was in the process of constructing some hideously diabolical

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shrine in his bedroom out of the skulls and skeletons

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of some of his victims. It's almost as though some

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bizarre archaic thing had broken through and he was performing

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or creating some sort of ancient human sacrificial temple in

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this little Milwaukee apartment.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety, Dama killed another four young men. His

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mo was becoming more and more polished.

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Speaker 2: He would offer his victim's money to go back to

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his apartment with him, to take pictures, nude photographs of them,

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and then perhaps to have sex. Every single one of

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his victims went with him willingly. He would offer them

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a drink, and once he found out what they wanted

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to drink, he kept a lot of things on hand,

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different kinds of alcohol, and that's when he would put

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a drug in it that would put them to sleep,

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or that would relax them so that they would pass out.

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Speaker 3: They would pass out, He would then have sex with

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them while they were passed out, do with them as

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he wished, but of course they couldn't do to him then,

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as they approached recovery. Coming out of it, he was

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strangling to death.

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Speaker 1: It seemed as though Dama got a thrill not from

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the murder, but from the dead bodies of his victims.

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Speaker 3: Dahmer liked necrophilia. He liked sex with unconscious people. He

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wasn't a slasher in the sense that he took delight

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in killing. His purpose was sex with these people. Company

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with these people. That's hard to believe.

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Speaker 5: He would commit necrophilia, sex, ax on the corpse, dismember

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the corpses, dissolve parts of the bodies, and these vats

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of vacidy had keep certain organs and his refrigerator, some

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of which he would actually cannibalize.

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Speaker 2: Dahmer said that the cannibalism that he engaged in was

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born out of a curiosity. He wanted to find out,

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first of all, what that would be like. He also

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said that there was an element of wanting to make

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these people a part of him, so they would be

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with him forever.

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Speaker 5: Dahmer, from the beginning, you know, is driven by this

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terror of being alone. He said. He killed his first victim,

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Stephen Hicks, when Hicks said he had to go and

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Dahmer didn't want to be alone as some desire, which

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is part of normal sexuality. You know you love somebody,

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you know somebody will be saying, Oh, I love you

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so much, I want to eat you up. With normal people,

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that's obviously metaphorical, but it does express some desire to

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be so close to the person that you want to

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incorporate them into. If you want to merge with them

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with something like Dahmer, that becomes this very literal horror, And.

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Speaker 1: The horror only became worse when Dharma began experimenting with

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his semi conscious victims.

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Speaker 2: He would drill holes in their skulls and put myriadic

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acid inside to see if he could get them to

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a zombie state so that he could keep them alive

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and subservient to him.

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Speaker 8: It's essentially an amateur version of attempting to perform albactomy

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or a lobotomy, but it would be an incredibly unpleasant

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and damaging thing to do to someone's brain. If you

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affect the frontal lobes, you will affect personality, potentially make

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somebody docile. If he's less accurate, you could essentially cause

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a stroke that could cause paralysis, speech problems. It really

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very much depends on which part of the brain is

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actually damaged.

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Speaker 2: But of course that didn't work, and his victims died

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one after another.

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Speaker 7: Hearing about that.

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Speaker 2: Is the stuff of horror movies, and the fact that

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it was happening in a city where we were known

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for manufacturing and beer and a very good Midwestern work ethic,

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tight families.

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Speaker 7: This isn't the kind of thing that happens here.

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Speaker 1: In May nineteen ninety one, thirty one year old Jeffrey

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Dahmer was in his killing prime. He'd already murdered eleven

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men and had begun collecting bones and skulls from his

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victims and cannibalizing their organs. What would have been a

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nightmare for most was a fantasy for him, and he

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carefully went about his killings under the radar of the

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police and the people of Milwaukee.

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Dahmer had a job in a local chocolate factory,

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and I think for him it enabled him to make

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a facade of normality. He was just an average joe,

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a regular guy who went to work every day.

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Speaker 2: I think he killed so many people without being quite

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because of the fact that he looked like everyone else.

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He did what successful serial killers do. He blended They

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blend in with society. Now, he was a Caucasian male

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living in in a predominantly African American neighborhood, but he

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didn't talk to anybody bother anybody. He was barely someone

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people noticed, barely noticed. He also was targeting people who

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he found out might not be missed.

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Speaker 4: For most people, if they were to commit the type

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of acts that Jeffrey Darmer did, they would no way

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be able to function normally. But Jeffrey Darmer was not

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most people. He hasn't got the same level of repulsion

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and shock dead bodies or mutilated bodies that most of

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us have. It was just another aspect of his life.

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Speaker 3: It was not known that we had a serial slayer

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loose in our city. We did not know because he

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was so cleverly disposing of the bodies. The families were

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reporting the sons were missing, but the police were not

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finding bodies. And not infrequently, young men, something happens in

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their life, they just lead these up and leave town.

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That happens enough that the police don't get worrid. If

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it was a woman, they'll immediately commit resources to investigate,

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but the young men they don't.

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Speaker 1: But on May the twenty sixth, nineteen ninety one, Dahma

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came agonizingly close to capture after an encounter with a

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fourteen year old boy.

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Speaker 2: Dahmer had taken Conrac synthism phone a young Asian male

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who found attractive. He met him in the mall, offered

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him money to go back to his apartment. He went,

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and he began to work the ritual. Dahmer would drug

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him and then he began the process of this crude lobotomy,

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and he had drilled a hole in this young man's head.

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He took a break, he ran out to get more beer.

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While he was gone, Conorrac ran out of the apartment.

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He was naked, he was completely dazed, and he was

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running up the alley next to the Dahmer's apartment building.

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Speaker 7: A woman in another apartment building.

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Speaker 2: Saw him running up the alley and said, there's a

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boy running up the alley.

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Speaker 7: Something's going on. And then these women.

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Speaker 5: Call the police, and then Dahmer appeared. And again this

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is another remarkable characteristic of these psychopaths is that they

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have an ability to maintain, you know, a kind of

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coolness under the most extraordinarily high pressure circumstances.

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Speaker 7: So he walked up to the officers. Good evening, officers.

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Speaker 2: He's very polite, he's sober, and he said, this is

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my boyfriend. He came to stay with me. We had

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a little bit too much to drink and he ran

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out of the house. Said how old is Dahmer said

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he's nineteen, and the officers said, okay, well, just to

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make sure, let's all walk back up to the apartment together.

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Speaker 5: The cops went and looked around. They even picked into

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the bedroom where there was a decomposing corpse of one

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of Dahmer's previous victims. But you know, they took such

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a cursory look at it that they didn't even notice.

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Speaker 1: It, Assuming the couple were having a lover's tiff. The

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two police officers left Knorak alone with Dahma in the

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apartment building, and in the early hours of the morning,

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he murdered the fourteen year old boy. An opportunity to

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catch the killer had been missed.

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Speaker 4: I think that really speaks volumes about the attitudes of

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the police at the time, in terms of ethnic minorities,

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in terms of young people, in terms of the gay community,

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and that was another victim that could potentially have been saved.

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So there's this terrible thing going on behind closed doors

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and people just aren't seeing it.

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Speaker 6: People aren't wanting to see it.

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Speaker 4: Even the police are not joining up the dots and

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finding out what's really going on. So this is allowed

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to just bubble away and get worse.

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Speaker 1: After evading capture, Dharma was free to continue.

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Speaker 4: There was two sides really to Dharma's pleasure that he

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got from killing his victims. So he was a sadist

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who enjoys the pain and suffering of other people. And

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with sadis that that thrill ends when the victim dies.

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But Dharma was also something of a necrophiliac who was

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interested in having corpses around and doing things with those corpses,

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and that means that the thrill starts with death. So

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he has this continuous fulfillment going on, and he's always

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fully in control.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's what's really at the root.

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Speaker 4: Of Jeffrey Darmer, its power and its control, and it's

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the feeling that he has all this knowledge about what

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he's done and nobody else quite knows what he's up to.

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Speaker 1: By July nineteen ninety one, Dama's desire to kill and

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become insatiable. Sixteen days he emerged four more men, bringing

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his total number of victims to seventeen. But Dahma's reign

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of tellor was about to come to an end. On

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July the twenty second, he met a man called Tracy Edwards.

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Speaker 2: While they were together in the apartment, Dahmer threw a

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handcuff on him.

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Speaker 7: This was now the beginning of his ritual.

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Speaker 2: Dahmer had taken photographs of his victims in various stages

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of dismemberment polaroids, and those were sitting on the dresser

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inside the bedroom. They weren't sitting out in the main

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living room, but there was some speculation that Tracy Edwards

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had perhaps seen that, and he ran out of the

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apartment in his underwear, ran down the street and when he.

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Speaker 7: Saw the police car.

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Speaker 2: Tracy Edwards has said his intention was just to get

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the handcuff off, That's all he wanted. He stopped these

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cops to say, hey, can just get this.

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Speaker 7: Off of me.

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Speaker 2: So he stopped and the officers start talking to him

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about what he saw, and then they said, well we

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should probably check this out. Let's all go back to

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the apartment. Dahmer answered, and the minute he saw that

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it was the police. He tried to shut the door

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on them. The police pushed the door open a bit.

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They started struggling with him, and then finally he just

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gave him and that was when Dahmer was officially finished.

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He was finished killing, and he knew that he was finished.

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Speaker 1: The police officers immediately arrested Dama after finding the remains

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of some of his victims in his apartment.

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Speaker 3: They saw the body parts and then one of the

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officers that he heard a scream. Then he realized later

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he was the one who screamed when he saw the body,

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so they knew they were dealing with a very serious offense.

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Dahmer did not resist a little slight resistance, but Dahmer

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was taken into custody and the investigation was initiated.

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Speaker 1: What followed was an incredible media circus on Dahma's doorstep,

475
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as unbelievable stories about what was being uncovered inside these

476
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apartments were revealed.

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Speaker 2: It was so fantastical that you think people are making

478
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it up when they're telling you the details, but as

479
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it turned out, they weren't making it up.

480
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Speaker 7: It was all of the.

481
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Speaker 2: Atrocities that we heard about that it happened in that apartment,

482
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really did happen.

483
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Speaker 3: The medical examiner who was called to the scene didn't

484
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know what was happening.

485
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Speaker 7: Was so strange.

486
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Speaker 3: There was a freezer, their bodies sparts in the freezer,

487
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,200
called in a hasmat crew. Well, our television stations cover

488
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the police radio. When they hear that, they dispatch crews there.

489
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The first day was local television, second day national television.

490
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By the third day it was international television.

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Speaker 2: They were able to show video of these items coming

492
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out of the front door of this apartment building. That's

493
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not usual at a crime scene. Saw a large blue

494
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:50,799
barrel in which we know that Jeffrey Dahmer was trying

495
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:54,400
to dissolve body parts. It had a refrigerator that was

496
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,480
holding skulls and also it was holding body parts. So

497
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these are coming down the stairs and people were just

498
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incredulous to watch it. When I wrote the story for

499
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the Milwaukee Journal that morning, and it was released in

500
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the paper about eight o'clock, I think in the morning.

501
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Normally we were an afternoon paper, but we went out

502
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early with it because it was such an incredible story.

503
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Speaker 1: But no one quite knew the enormity of the crimes

504
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until Dahma confessed to detectives at the local police station.

505
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Speaker 2: When I've spoken to the detectives that were working this case,

506
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they have said, this was not a great who done it?

507
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This would have better who done it if Jeffrey Dahmer

508
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,799
hadn't confessed to everything.

509
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Speaker 3: When Dahmer was arrested, there were already a number of

510
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bodies in his quarters. He gave full confessions to the

511
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police detailing his involvement in sixteen separate slayings. Most of

512
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the time, he did not know the name of the victims.

513
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Speaker 2: When Dahmer remembered a crime that he might not have

514
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,000
shared with the detects dives, he would have the jail

515
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:03,720
call them, whether it was the middle of the night

516
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or the middle of the day, and say I remembered

517
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something else, Please come over.

518
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Speaker 7: Dahmer had said.

519
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Speaker 2: He wanted to make sure that he didn't forget anything

520
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,000
because he wanted those families to have closure. I'm not

521
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sure about that. That maybe giving Jeffrey Dahmer more credit

522
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:26,000
than he is deserved, but he did claim to want

523
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to try and remember so that all of those families

524
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would have closure.

525
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Speaker 5: One of the interesting things about Dahmer that does differentiate

526
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him from other killers of his breed is that he

527
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did seem to be capable of a certain degree of

528
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remorse and certainly recognize the extent of his depravity.

529
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Speaker 1: Although he confessed to killing sixteen people in the state

530
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,920
of Wisconsin, Damer was first charged with four counts of

531
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murder on the twenty fifth of July nineteen ninety one,

532
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and a further eleven counts were added in August. The

533
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,480
following month, investigators in Ohio found teeth and bone fragments

534
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:09,480
belonging to Stephen Hicks in the woods near Dama's family home.

535
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,720
A preliminary hearing was set for January nineteen ninety two.

536
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His legal team were going to argue that the killings

537
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were the work of a madman.

538
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Speaker 3: Years She wasn't going to be did he do it

539
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,039
or arty? Issue was going to be was he sane

540
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:24,160
or insane when he did it? And his hope was

541
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that at least in even one of the cases, he

542
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could induce the jury to believe that he was insane.

543
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:31,279
Under those circumstances, he would be sentenced not to a prison,

544
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,920
but to a metal health facility. People would say to me, Mike,

545
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,880
this guy killed sixteen people. He was drinking their blood,

546
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,599
eating parts of their body. He must have been crazy.

547
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,240
It sounds like he's crazy to say that, but that's

548
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:44,599
not what the insanity rule is.

549
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Speaker 1: The city wanted justice. They wanted to see the man

550
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,839
the press were calling the Milwaukee cannibal locked away in

551
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,359
prison for the horrific crimes he had committed. The trial

552
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,279
of Jeffrey Dahmer would be one of the biggest still

553
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,680
the history of not just Wisconsin, but the entire USA.

554
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: My reaction to it then was the same reaction I

555
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,359
think that everybody who lived in Milwaukee had when they

556
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,200
heard about the case.

557
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 7: No, it can't be. This is Milwaukee. Those kinds of

558
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,119
things don't happen here. This is the Midwest. This is

559
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,200
a very nice place.

560
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: The trial of Jeffrey Dahmer began on the thirtieth of

561
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January nineteen ninety two and had a front row seat

562
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,519
the courtroom.

563
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: Was an odd spectacle because court TV was still new

564
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:45,160
in the game back then, and the idea that you

565
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,799
would come to court and you'd be on television was

566
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:52,200
still kind of new to people. That was the kind

567
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:56,240
of media attention to a trial that Milwaukee hadn't seen

568
00:32:56,519 --> 00:33:00,559
in a very very long time, if ever can remember

569
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,160
so clearly the first time Jeffrey Dahmer's initial appearance in court,

570
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,359
when he walked in, I think the real fear that

571
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,599
people had when they first saw Jeffrey Dahmer was that

572
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,880
he looked like everybody else. He was a good looking

573
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,160
young man, and he is not the person that you

574
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,079
would look at and say, stay away from that guy.

575
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:26,519
Speaker 1: It would be up to Milwaukee DA Mike McCann to

576
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:30,519
attempt to prove that Dama was saying and responsible for

577
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:31,279
his actions.

578
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Speaker 3: Yuelty wasn't going to be an issue, but we wanted

579
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:35,759
the jury to know enough about the facts and so

580
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,200
the defense to say, right, what really happened here, How

581
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,920
atrocit was it, how planned was it, how was he behaving?

582
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:43,720
What skills were involved? He couldn't control himself.

583
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: It was a lot to take in because the testimony

584
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was so graphic. We all knew Mike McCann he was

585
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,400
a religious man, and we'd seen him in we've seen

586
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,119
him in court attorney that the kinds of things that

587
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,359
he was reciting out of the criminal complaint and the

588
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,519
confession were unheard of. These things were unheard of, and

589
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,800
they happened right here in our city.

590
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 9: He did it quietly.

591
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Speaker 3: He concealed the bodies, cleverly, concealed, destroyed the bodies, planned

592
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,960
it well, laid in the equipment, got the drugs that

593
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,599
he used, knowing that he worked or thought he was insane.

594
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,559
The way he conducted himself was in a way that

595
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,400
it seemed that he was sane, and that's what we

596
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,880
wanted to get across to the jury.

597
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Speaker 1: Mike employed the help of psychiatry experts doctor Philip Resnick.

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Speaker 9: The more bizarre the crimes, such as involving cannibalism, the

599
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,639
more the la public wants to think that guy had

600
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,360
to be out of his mind. But in looking at

601
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it from the actual strict definition of insanity, generally, the

602
00:34:53,000 --> 00:35:00,119
diseases of paraphilias like necrophilia, where someone has trouble controlling themselves,

603
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,679
are not viewed for the most part as diseases which

604
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,239
qualify for insanity because of the social implications. One of

605
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,440
the points that I made as a consultant is, even

606
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if you have necrophilia, and even if you have trouble

607
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,400
controlling your impulse, the majority of necrophiliacs will select a

608
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:28,559
setting where they can accomplish this without homicide, so some

609
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:35,840
become assistance in morgues or assistance in pathology labs where

610
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,719
they may have access to dead victims. Others will actually

611
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,440
disinentear bodies after they're buried so that one does not

612
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:50,800
have to actually kill to exercise the necrophilia's impulse. And

613
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that's one of the reasons I felt that he didn't

614
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,000
qualify for insanity.

615
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: The trial was essentially a debate between specialist psychiatrists about

616
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the mental state of Dama, who sat watching the whole

617
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:04,760
thing play out over two weeks.

618
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,039
Speaker 3: Namer was very common court when you talk of you

619
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:10,800
assessing a person by what you see. No one studying

620
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,280
him would believe he was insane. He was in kind,

621
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,880
he was watching what was going on. He wasn't reacting

622
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,480
in any negative way. He conducted himself in a very

623
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,199
rational way, a very proper way.

624
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 10: This was a case to tell the world that I

625
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,280
did what I did not for reasons of hate. I

626
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,679
hated no one I knew I was sick or evil

627
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,599
or both. Now I believe I was sick.

628
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: On February fifteenth, the jury had reached a verdict on

629
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Dama's sanity.

630
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Speaker 9: Someone like Dahmer comes along who has never been in

631
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:47,079
a psychiatric hospital and alleges insanity juries are going to

632
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:50,920
be skeptical of it. And then when it's all in

633
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,079
the form of his sexual drive rather than a traditional

634
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,039
psychosis where someone's out of touch with reality and he's

635
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,280
taking careful st elpse to cover his tracks, it's very

636
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,880
difficult to succeed with insanity. With that type of case.

637
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,599
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Damer was ruled to be sane by the jury.

638
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:14,639
On February seventeenth, nineteen ninety two. Judge Lawrence Graham sentenced

639
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,800
him to life imprisonment for each of the fifteen counts

640
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,480
against him.

641
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: When the verdict was announced in court, there was a

642
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,440
great shout from the gallery, especially from the victim's families,

643
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,800
that cried, I.

644
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 3: Was pleased in the sense happy. I'd not exuberant, but

645
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,400
happy that this danger was removed from our community, that

646
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,559
the jury had not been hoodwinked, that the jury realized

647
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,480
this chap was not insane.

648
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: The state of Wisconsin does not have the death penalty,

649
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,360
but Dama would have to serve a minimum of nine

650
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,840
hundred and thirty six years. He was immediately sent to

651
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,639
the Columbia Correctional Institute in Portage. Three months later, on

652
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:56,079
the first of May nineteen ninety two, in Ohio, Dama

653
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,800
was also found guilty of murdering Stephen Hicks in nineteen

654
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,960
six seventy eight, had given yet another life sentence.

655
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: Dahmer always said that he was compelled to kill, that

656
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,599
they were urges. He said, I had urges that I

657
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,039
could not control. He also said that even though he

658
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:21,039
was in prison he was relieved that the killing was done,

659
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,639
he still had the urges.

660
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,159
Speaker 7: They didn't go away.

661
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: He was just in a place where he couldn't act

662
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,039
on them.

663
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Speaker 1: Locked away for the rest of his life, Dahma found

664
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comfort in the Bible, and by nineteen ninety four he

665
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,760
decided to get baptized. The prison called on local minister

666
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:41,159
Roy Ratcliffe.

667
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 11: So I was quite surprised to be escorted to a

668
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,320
little room and left alone. And then Jeff Camp comes

669
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,400
to the room and he closed the door, and then

670
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,960
there's he and I sitting together across the table, and

671
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,920
I'm thinking for a moment, Wow, I'm in a room

672
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,760
with a man who was killed three people. So yeah,

673
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,000
that was a little bit discon but I was therefore

674
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,719
a purpose and for a reason. So I wanted to

675
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,760
find out what was going on and to see what

676
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,960
I could do to help. So my fears were set aside,

677
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,199
primarily because of my focus on what I was trying

678
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,960
to do. Jeff was a normal guy, curteous, very respectful

679
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,800
to me. When we shook hands, I noticed his hands

680
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,559
were really small. Looking at his hands and thinking, wow,

681
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,360
these are the hands that strangled people. These are the

682
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,239
hands that murdered people, These are the hands that dismembered people.

683
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:30,079
Speaker 1: On May the tenth, nineteen ninety four, the same day

684
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:35,239
that notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy was executed, Jeffrey

685
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,280
Dama was baptized in a prison bathtub.

686
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 11: Then the door opened and I walked into the room

687
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and jeff had already crawled into the tub, and the

688
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,280
only thing that was above the water was just simply

689
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,760
his head. And so I baptized you in the name

690
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of the Father, Son of the Holy Spirit, for the

691
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,320
forgiveness your sins, and pushed his head down under and

692
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,400
then we came back up. I said something I often

693
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,400
say to people when I baptized him. I said, welcome

694
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,760
to the family of God. He said, well, thank you

695
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,239
very much.

696
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Speaker 1: Just six months after his baptism. On November the twenty eighth,

697
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nineteen ninety four, Dahmer and another convicted murderer, Jesse Anderson,

698
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,039
were attacked and killed by a fellow inmate.

699
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Speaker 7: Christopher Scarver.

700
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Speaker 2: Took a barbelle, went into the bathroom and beat both

701
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,760
Jeffrey Dahmer and Jesse Anderson to death. There were a

702
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,599
number of people who felt that Jeffrey Dahmer got exactly

703
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,840
what he deserved. And I called his mother. She said, well,

704
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,679
now everybody got what they want. The monster is dead.

705
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And then she said he was my son, He's my boy.

706
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Speaker 11: It was a terrible, terrible death in that sense there,

707
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:43,119
but for some people it was a relief. They were

708
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:44,960
glad because all they could think about all the crimes

709
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,440
they committed. They're not thinking about. Where I'm thinking about

710
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,719
is here's a person who's trying to serve God as

711
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,920
best as he can, and now his life is being

712
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,480
taken from is I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, some people see some sort of poetic symmetry in

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the fact that Dahmer's first murder was the one in

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which he bludgeoned the teenage hushaker Stephen Hicks to death

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with a barbelle and that he himself died in a

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very similar way.

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Speaker 1: The apartment on North twenty fifth Street that housed Dama's

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macarb collection that victims remains and where twelve young men

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lost their lives, was demolished in November nineteen ninety two,

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but Dama's twisted legacy has been impossible to wipe out.

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He has become one of the most infamous serial killers

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in the world.

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Speaker 5: I think of Dahmer as sort of like the flip

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side of somebody like Mozart. How do you account for

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somebody creating that kind of music. Ultimately, how do you

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account for somebody who is luring young men to his

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apartment in drilling holes in their skull and injecting brains

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with miuriatric acid to turn them into zombies. There's something

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there ultimately inexplicable.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer committed some of the most evil acts that

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I have ever written about or heard about were seen

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on a television show because they were real. I don't

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know if he was sane or insane, because that's not

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my training to figure that out, but I can absolutely

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say that he did.

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Speaker 7: Some of the most evil acts known to man.

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Speaker 1: Dama's crimes would not feel out of place in a

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perverse horror movie. He was a man who killed to

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satisfy his unhealthy sexual perversions, keeping parts of his victims

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skeletons as trophies, and eating their organs. Jeffrey Dahmer truly

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is the stuff of nightmares and unquestionably one of the

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world's most evil killers.