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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Big Blue on Saturday Gabriel with you

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday edition of our program, and we are one day

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<v Speaker 1>closer to game night both football and basketball. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the football Cats played Tennessee Saturday night down at Nylan,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll have it for you right here at five

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<v Speaker 1>point thirty pre game with Christy Thomas, Logan Stenberg, Jeremy Jarman,

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<v Speaker 1>and Tom Lee. Jeff mccorl and I will take over

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<v Speaker 1>as the Cats try to pull the upset against the

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<v Speaker 1>seventh ranked volunteers in Kentucky. As of right now, is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be down several starters when it heads down

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<v Speaker 1>to Rocky Top. Maxwell Harriston once again on the availability

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<v Speaker 1>list as out zero percent chance he'll play. Jansen Dunn

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<v Speaker 1>a cornerback, Gerald Mincy again offensive tackle out, Josiah Hayes

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<v Speaker 1>defensive lineman, ship train him the running back out again,

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<v Speaker 1>JJ Weaver, the Eric Jackson two important linebackers out. Steven Soles,

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<v Speaker 1>junior young outside linebacker will not play and Jordan Dingle,

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<v Speaker 1>a tight end, will not play as well. DJ Waller,

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<v Speaker 1>another cornerback, is listed as questionable probable Demi Sumo, carnbay

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<v Speaker 1>Is and Dion Walker. So we likely will see them.

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee is going to be missing three players listed as out.

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<v Speaker 1>But right now the Wildcats are really really banged up

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<v Speaker 1>and it's gonna be a tough one down there. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have it for you on Saturday night. Then on

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<v Speaker 1>Monday night, women's basketball at five o'clock as Kenny Brooks

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<v Speaker 1>team opens up, and then of course the men open

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<v Speaker 1>up for real on Monday night as well at seven o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>So you'll hear the women's game on ninety eight point

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<v Speaker 1>five FM. You'll hear the men's game as usual on

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight point one and on six thirty WLAP. So well,

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<v Speaker 1>here a little bit later on from Mark Pope and

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Brooks. They talked to the media earlier today. We

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<v Speaker 1>will tell you that Jackson Robinson is on a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of watch lists for awards, not unusual at this time

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, especially for Kentucky players to be on

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<v Speaker 1>these lists. He is listed on the Jersey Mike's Naysmith

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<v Speaker 1>Trophy Men's College Basketball Player of the Year watch list.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a that's a handful. That's not new as far

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<v Speaker 1>as it is as far as Jersey Mike's is concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Naismith Award is in its fifty seventh year.

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<v Speaker 1>Two Kentucky players have won this through the years. The

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<v Speaker 1>first to win it, believe it or not, was Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Davis twelve years ago. Back in twenty twelve. Now he

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<v Speaker 1>was the first UK player ever to win the n

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<v Speaker 1>Men's College Player of the Year Award. Oscar Sheeway jumped

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<v Speaker 1>up and won it in twenty twenty two fifty players

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<v Speaker 1>from around the country. Robinson is one of ten SEC candidates.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he is also up for the Julius Irving Award,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is named, of course after doctor j It's

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<v Speaker 1>in its eleventh year and it recognizes the top small

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<v Speaker 1>forwards in Division one men's college basketball. And you're asking yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>is this kid a forward or a guard? Well, he's

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the watch list or the nomination form says he is.

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<v Speaker 1>Because schools nominate players for these awards. It's not a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of people sitting around and say, well, let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>take this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The schools nominate. And I didn't know that until cali

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<v Speaker 1>Peri first got here, because if you recall, John Wall

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<v Speaker 1>was the player of the Year in the SEC. DeMarcus

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<v Speaker 1>Cousins was the Freshman of the Year in the SEC

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<v Speaker 1>and you're scratching your head. How does that work? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the team or the school wisely nominated them for different awards,

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<v Speaker 1>and that ensured that there would be no vote splitting.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus how do you pick between Cousins and wall So,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, I didn't really understand this until that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jackson Robinson and these won't be the first list

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<v Speaker 1>that he's on. And I guarantee you, well, whatever kind

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<v Speaker 1>of defensively there are, Lamont Butler will be on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking up basketball, Kentucky pulls Mark Pope away from Brigham Young. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So who did Brigham Young turn to? A guy? And

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<v Speaker 1>you may have seen his name, but a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Young, who most recently had been the associate head

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<v Speaker 1>coach for the Phoenix Suns. But way back, like fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, he was well, no, not that long back

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<v Speaker 1>at whole five six, he was an assistant at Utah

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<v Speaker 1>Valley under Mark Pope. But after that he spent most

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<v Speaker 1>of his time in the G League, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>moved up to the NBA with the seventy six ers

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<v Speaker 1>as an assistant coach, and then a couple of different

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<v Speaker 1>jobs with the Phoenix Suns before BYU hired him. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I bring this up is because Brigham Young

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<v Speaker 1>played its first exhibition game last night and drew more

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<v Speaker 1>than sixteen thousand, So fans were excited about basketball. They

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<v Speaker 1>became more excited when Mark Pope got there, and they

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<v Speaker 1>remain excited despite the fact that Kentucky poached its coach.

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<v Speaker 1>But they played Colorado Christian which is D two, beat

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<v Speaker 1>him ninety three forty nine. And see tell me if

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<v Speaker 1>this sounds familiar. Twenty four assists on thirty one made baskets.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what system they're running, but those are

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<v Speaker 1>numbers similar to what we've seen with the Wildcats and

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<v Speaker 1>two exhibitions. But evidently Mark Pope had them loving basketball

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<v Speaker 1>out at Brigham Young. So the team he left behind

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<v Speaker 1>is doing a pretty good job right now as well.

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<v Speaker 1>One more basketball note before we get on to the

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<v Speaker 1>World Series is we've got to talk about that Kentucky connection.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a UK connection, and there usually is to

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<v Speaker 1>an NBA game last night more than one. But last

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<v Speaker 1>night there were two Wildcats in one game who had

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<v Speaker 1>huge efforts as the Heat lost to the New York Knicks.

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Hero thirty four points, five rebounds, seven assists, hit

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<v Speaker 1>sixty percent eight of thirteen from three point land, but

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<v Speaker 1>his team lost to the Knicks, won sixteen to one

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<v Speaker 1>oh seven. Why well, the Knicks got an even bigger

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<v Speaker 1>game from Karl Anthony Towns, the guy for whom the

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<v Speaker 1>Knicks traded. They traded Julius Randall, another former Wildcat, to Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the kind of game. Maybe not every night,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is the kind of game the Knicks fans

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<v Speaker 1>have been hoping for. Forty four points and then went

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<v Speaker 1>over the heat. All right, we got to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the World Series because Lexingon's Walker Bueller closed it out

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<v Speaker 1>for the Dodgers. Let me tell you first about how

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<v Speaker 1>this happened, because he was not supposed to pitch last night.

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<v Speaker 1>He was not even in the plans for Dave Roberts.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know this because that's what he said, the

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<v Speaker 1>manager appearing on Fox Sports right after the game, talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a conversation he had with Walker.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Walker Buehller sent me a text earlier today saying, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be available. He sent us in the GM a

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<v Speaker 3>text and I just kind of patted him on the head,

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<v Speaker 3>said no, thanks. But then in the seventh inning he's

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<v Speaker 3>on his jack, gets to jacket and says, hey, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be there if you need me, And sure enough we

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<v Speaker 3>needed him.

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<v Speaker 1>So Buehller comes on in relieve. It's the first time

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<v Speaker 1>he pitched in relief since June twenty eighth of twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and back then he gave up five earned runs took

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<v Speaker 1>the loss against the Chicago Cubs. Man was he sharp

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<v Speaker 1>last night? Of course the Yankees or anything butt sharp.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that in a minute. But Buehller talked

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<v Speaker 1>to Fox Sports right after they were still celebrating down

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<v Speaker 1>on the field.

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<v Speaker 4>Walker, when you woke up this morning, did you have

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<v Speaker 4>any inkling you'd be closing out the clinching game of this?

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<v Speaker 5>Said, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Throw balls on one out there, so oh no, after all,

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<v Speaker 4>you went through this almost two years and helping down

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<v Speaker 4>the season.

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<v Speaker 5>Wasn't mean to you to do what you did tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously for me personally huge two two years off to surgeries.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot for our organization. We deserve this. We've

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<v Speaker 4>been playing really good baseball for a lot of years

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<v Speaker 4>and twenty twenty and whatever. But they can't say a

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<v Speaker 4>whole lot about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, How did you feel out there?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, It's hard to explain. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>felt like I weighed about.

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<v Speaker 1>Five pounds and.

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<v Speaker 5>I wish I was in a little.

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<v Speaker 4>Better shape so my heart could have handled it better.

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<v Speaker 4>But it worked out Land the team guys were down.

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<v Speaker 5>To one in the division series up to the Padres.

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<v Speaker 5>You were down five to nothing tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>What is it about this group that makes it so resilient?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there's just a lot of ways we can

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<v Speaker 4>win baseball games. Obviously the superstars we have on our team,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the discipline. This kind of all adds up

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<v Speaker 4>and it's a big inning, you know, it's just wild Welkacongdas.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for Walker Buller talking to Fox Sports. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course Walker went to Vandy to not go to

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<v Speaker 1>the UK, but is a product of Henry Clay High School,

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<v Speaker 1>just like his wife Mackenzie. And as you made o

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<v Speaker 1>by now, that battery, the Pitcher Catcher combo was all

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky will Smith behind the plate, a U OFL product.

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<v Speaker 1>So as they celebrated the World Series, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>cardinal and a wildcat coming together in great joy. There

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<v Speaker 1>is no joy in New York, of course, because the

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<v Speaker 1>Yankees have struck out metaphorically. Of course, what a terrible

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<v Speaker 1>game they play. That was the worst performance in one

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<v Speaker 1>inning in the fifth inning, as they blew a five

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<v Speaker 1>nothing lead that I've ever seen. I haven't seen every

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<v Speaker 1>inning of every World Series game, but I've read a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about all of them, and I can't imagine in

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<v Speaker 1>a situation like that, where you've got a big lead

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<v Speaker 1>in a game you must have to stay alive. How

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<v Speaker 1>poorly the Yankees played an error, a flub on a

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<v Speaker 1>force play, a mental error as a pitcher fails to

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<v Speaker 1>cover first and even if the first baseman should have

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<v Speaker 1>been there, the pitcher should have been there as well

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<v Speaker 1>instead of just pointing to the bag. You know, they

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<v Speaker 1>work on this every day, starting in spring training, and

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<v Speaker 1>that just opened the floodgates. It was terrible. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a comedy of errors. Literally, Aaron Judge drops a fly

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<v Speaker 1>ball in center field, had a home run in the

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<v Speaker 1>first inning, but otherwise didn't do a whole lot for

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<v Speaker 1>his ball club. And now what's going to be his legacy?

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<v Speaker 1>Well in New York unless they turn around and win

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<v Speaker 1>a World Series and win one soon, he is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be remembered fondly by Yankees fans four for

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen and five games against the Dodgers. And look, we

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<v Speaker 1>all know how pitching handles good hitting, but man, that

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<v Speaker 1>error really opened the gates. That was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that opened the gates. And now a lineup that

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<v Speaker 1>included Wan Soto, Gian Carlo Stanton just didn't get it done.

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<v Speaker 1>Soto and Stanton did, okay, but Aaron Judge. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>people were in the middle of debating who's better him

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<v Speaker 1>or Otani, And ironically enough, a lot of people, and

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<v Speaker 1>myself included, I'd give a slight edge to Judge because

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<v Speaker 1>he plays defense. We didn't play it very well last night.

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<v Speaker 1>And fans all over New York are just sick to

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<v Speaker 1>their stomach right now, including my New York City Bureau

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<v Speaker 1>chief Mike Saffo. Oh Man, his tweets the worst. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, the Jets, if you think there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be some respite tonight, they played the Texans on

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday Night football. Somehow the Jets are favored. Amazing, They're

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<v Speaker 1>favored by a point and a half. Maybe because they

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<v Speaker 1>beat the Texans last year thirty to six at Medlife Stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>But that was last year. Now they got a new

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<v Speaker 1>interim head coach and they're circling the dream. Tough time

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up in just a few minutes. David Sisk of

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<v Speaker 1>He's been breaking down UK video from both the Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>Wesleyan and Minnesota State and and Cato games. So we'll

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<v Speaker 1>who open their season for keeps for real under Mark

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<v Speaker 1>get used to this. Don't worry. Shots are going to fall,

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<v Speaker 6>We hope that's a defining feature of our team. And

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<v Speaker 6>it's two things about it. One is the first part

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<v Speaker 6>of that is that our guys are super resilient, and

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<v Speaker 6>we have a team that can go fix things, like

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<v Speaker 6>then the second part is we know it's always common man.

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<v Speaker 6>As aggressive as we are offensively and as solid as

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<v Speaker 6>we can be defensively, we always know that it could

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<v Speaker 6>could be in the last seven minutes of the game.

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<v Speaker 6>There's gonna be a two or three minute run that's

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<v Speaker 6>kind of a death knell where our guys where we

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<v Speaker 6>of this team, that this group is really really resilient,

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<v Speaker 6>like we're good at fixing things. And then and then

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<v Speaker 6>we know something, something really fun is just around the

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<v Speaker 6>corner for BBN and and for our team the way

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Pope how long did it take him to

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<v Speaker 1>get used to that notion as a coach who embraces offense,

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<v Speaker 1>and he took us back to his NBA days. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>the most is George carl who he said, could be

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<v Speaker 1>six to eleven, but he would say, don't worry, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>The energy is good. We're doing good things. We just

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<v Speaker 1>haven't a shots yet, but everything's going well. Conversely, they

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<v Speaker 1>could be up big, but he'll say, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really like the way things are going. So he

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<v Speaker 1>tries to embrace that element of Carl's coaching, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why when the shots unfalling, he's got to know the

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<v Speaker 6>I actually think the game asks us for that. The

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<v Speaker 6>game is asking us to don't be distracted by the

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<v Speaker 6>It's kind of like the stock market. Right if you're

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<v Speaker 6>if you're an incredibly wise investor, as I am, which

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<v Speaker 6>you know, long term, you're ready to roll with some

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<v Speaker 6>of the blips that happened in the stock market, but

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<v Speaker 6>over the over the ten year, you're kind of watching

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<v Speaker 6>trends and and that's how we try and act with

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<v Speaker 6>our team. It's really hard to do because because it's emotional,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's intense, and you know, and and BBN is

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<v Speaker 6>is you know, we're all gonna fret together. But but

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<v Speaker 6>it works and our guys feel it. And that's this

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<v Speaker 6>idea of like knowing, hey, the energy's right in this building.

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<v Speaker 6>We're going to fix some things and then this this

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<v Speaker 6>Let's go be prepared to enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 1>And again the men open up, as you know, with

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<v Speaker 1>Wright State on Monday Night. Now the women who take

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<v Speaker 1>on USC Upstate, you'll hear it here. You'll see that

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<v Speaker 1>one on SEC Plus. The men, by the way, are

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. The women are on ESPN Plus

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<v Speaker 1>with Jeff Picorrel and Christy Thomas. We talked to Kenny

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<v Speaker 1>Brooks about this brand new team and somebody asked him,

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<v Speaker 1>just how good can this team be? And he said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the potential is there.

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<v Speaker 7>A couple of weeks ago, you know, we were still

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<v Speaker 7>a little bit more clarity and what we're trying to

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<v Speaker 7>do now the way that they're able to work well

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<v Speaker 7>together in those positions. You know, we I've put some

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<v Speaker 7>very uncon conventional lineups out there where we're huge and

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<v Speaker 7>they've handled it extremely well. And so you'll probably see

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<v Speaker 7>that line up quite a bit during during the early stretches,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, as we head into SEC play. But you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I think we have the potential to be a very

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<v Speaker 7>you know, in some areas where we needed to be.

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<v Speaker 7>We're very experienced, we're older, you know, I've joked about it.

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<v Speaker 7>We may have the oldest backcourt in the country. And

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<v Speaker 7>I have to treat them that way because, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>Dejah Lawrence and Georgia Amore, They've blogged a lot of minutes,

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<v Speaker 7>played a lot of great basketball. So we have to

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<v Speaker 7>make sure it's kind of like the vintage car. You

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<v Speaker 7>don't want to take it out every day, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>but you want to make sure you take care of it.

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<v Speaker 7>And then we have young post players who who are

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<v Speaker 7>just thriving and getting better each and every day. So

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's a good recipe.

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<v Speaker 1>Clara Strack, a young post player, was there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>asked her about the fact that teams often good teams

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<v Speaker 1>reflect the personality of their coach. So I said, what's

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<v Speaker 1>reflective of Kenny Brooks.

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<v Speaker 8>I would say our attention to detail. We very methodical

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<v Speaker 8>in the way we run, like our offenses and this stuff,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think that's how he coaches us to be.

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<v Speaker 8>So I think that would be a good reflection of him.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty good sign if he asked me, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's the little things that will carry you to victory,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's ignoring the little things or not paying enough

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<v Speaker 1>attention that will get your beats. So we'll find out

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<v Speaker 1>just how well if that works on Monday when the

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<v Speaker 1>UK women take on usc Upstate. You will hear it

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<v Speaker 1>here and see it on SEC Plus. David Sisk of

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<v Speaker 1>The Rivals Network is back on six point thirty. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Big Blue and Sider joining us now

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<v Speaker 1>to talk basketball as a guy we love talking basketball with.

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<v Speaker 1>He is David Sisk of the Rivals Network. You see

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<v Speaker 1>his work at Cat's Illustrated Coach.

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<v Speaker 2>How you been I've been good, been good. Getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>to get into that crazy time of the year, and

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<v Speaker 2>not just people think crazy time to get into basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the case, but as you know, there's not

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of downtime once I know you do

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of different sports, but we get into the

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<v Speaker 2>winner for what I do. There's just not a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot of downtime, So just gearing up for a time,

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<v Speaker 2>get your winks in when you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you keep an eye on the recruits as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the teams that are actually playing. So I know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, there's not a whole lot of downtime.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've had a chance to peak at Kentucky. David

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<v Speaker 1>of course covers Kentucky and North Carolina for the Rivals Network,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've had a chance to take a peek at

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<v Speaker 1>the Wildcats under Mark Pope of late. From your tweets,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like you're pretty impressed. Am I right about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I like to watch the action and that they do,

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<v Speaker 2>so when I'm looking at it, I'm looking at it

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<v Speaker 2>from a strategic point and x's and those point of view,

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<v Speaker 2>and then just try to see with you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>talent that they have, you know, how it fits what

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<v Speaker 2>they do into that and uh, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of basketball really Dick, that we've been uh really

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<v Speaker 2>after for the last couple of years and kind kind

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<v Speaker 2>of banging for. And I said, it was just it

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<v Speaker 2>was released to me just the last night. To watch

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<v Speaker 2>a team when you go down the floor and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't get what you want, let's say, and transition, it's seamlessly.

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<v Speaker 2>You you you just do into a flow and reverse

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<v Speaker 2>the ball instead of screen and keep it moving, instead

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<v Speaker 2>of having a coach jumping up and down and screaming

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<v Speaker 2>all over the gym that you could hear pointing around

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get everybody in position, and then when you

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<v Speaker 2>finally run your players, eight seconds left on the shot clock.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's kind of that's not a knock

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<v Speaker 2>on coach cal as a coach, but that was his

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<v Speaker 2>style and just to set it up and get these

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<v Speaker 2>half court sets and it just you know, last year

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<v Speaker 2>was more free for Roland obviously, but you know we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen a lot we've been waiting for this what we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing from Hope, you know, coming in and uh just

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy watching her actions. And like I said, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they got some shooters. It's hard to tell from who

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<v Speaker 2>they've played, really playing two Division two teams that were

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<v Speaker 2>overmatched physically, but quite a bit of just how good

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be. You know, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>work as easily its do obviously, but so we really

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<v Speaker 2>what they do, and we do know they're gonna push it.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to shoot a lot of threes. And I

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<v Speaker 2>So I think what he wants to do they do

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well. The question's gonna be, well, a whole new team,

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<v Speaker 2>how do they mess together? They seem to be doing

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<v Speaker 2>IQ out there could learn on a fly. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we saw that last night. I was impressed with some

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<v Speaker 2>they play, you know, get into the season, you know

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<v Speaker 2>they are. They made some really good decisions last night

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<v Speaker 2>on the move. I think they know, Uh, he's teaching

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<v Speaker 2>that know how to play. Now we're gonna see how

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<v Speaker 2>athletic they are. That's gonna be an issue. But like

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<v Speaker 2>get up threes, he wants to run certain kind of style,

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<v Speaker 2>it through the first two exhibition games.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you talked about the fact that, yeah, they weren't

419
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<v Speaker 1>having to look to the sideline for for instruction. And

420
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<v Speaker 1>Jack Gibbons talked about that as well on the Postgame

421
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<v Speaker 1>Show on Tuesday Night, that seeing veterans out there able

422
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<v Speaker 1>to make their own decisions because of their experience, And

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<v Speaker 1>to your point, it's it's for most of them, it

424
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<v Speaker 1>is a new style. It's not like they're making it

425
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<v Speaker 1>up as they go along. But they, I'm sure, and

426
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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a couple of practices. They're able to absorb

427
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<v Speaker 1>things quicker.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's right. And I know, and I know we're

429
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<v Speaker 2>talking apples and oranges. It's a different thing. But even

430
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<v Speaker 2>though as a high school coach, you know, I have

431
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<v Speaker 2>I ran into that. We were saying, Okay, we're running

432
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<v Speaker 2>sets and we're putting stuff in, and are my guys

433
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<v Speaker 2>learning how to play on these sets or are they

434
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<v Speaker 2>learning how to play basketball? And I've heard a lot

435
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<v Speaker 2>of different really successful coaches that asked that question of themselves.

436
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<v Speaker 2>I think one compliment that you could always give a

437
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<v Speaker 2>good high school coach was, Hey, his kids knew how

438
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<v Speaker 2>to play basketball. They just didn't. They just didn't go

439
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<v Speaker 2>through the set planes. And that's what they did. They

440
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<v Speaker 2>weren't system players. So yeah they are and they were

441
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<v Speaker 2>there were two or three plays last night and some

442
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<v Speaker 2>of the teets that I put up where I had

443
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<v Speaker 2>the videos up. Uh, they bring the ball down the floor.

444
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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to get something to transition. It doesn't work,

445
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<v Speaker 2>and they don't pull the ball out. I think, Uh

446
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<v Speaker 2>the player Uh Andrew Carr was uh the player on

447
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<v Speaker 2>the floor at the time, and you know, he just

448
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<v Speaker 2>pops to the top and a hymn and he reverses

449
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<v Speaker 2>the ball and go into a ball screen action and

450
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<v Speaker 2>Uh they have a little pop there to garrison for

451
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<v Speaker 2>a little mid range and then they had another deal

452
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<v Speaker 2>or they hit car on a roll. Uh. So that's

453
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<v Speaker 2>the thing they know. Like I said, even when they're

454
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<v Speaker 2>running stuff in half court, if they don't get what

455
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<v Speaker 2>they want, it never bobs down the player movement to

456
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<v Speaker 2>keep it going, to keep the the movement going. I

457
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<v Speaker 2>kind of watch them. They know car On in one play,

458
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<v Speaker 2>he understood that there the hedge was at. So we

459
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<v Speaker 2>went straight into the post and knew the defender was

460
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<v Speaker 2>going to be on the top side and the guards

461
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<v Speaker 2>recognized it. So they threw the ball to the top

462
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<v Speaker 2>and then they had the high low. They knew exactly

463
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<v Speaker 2>what they wanted and like I said, when they're doing

464
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<v Speaker 2>it most some of the options when they don't get

465
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<v Speaker 2>the early shot, and it may go from a transition

466
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<v Speaker 2>into the half court, but it flows. And I've done

467
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<v Speaker 2>some of this stuff on the North Carolina side too,

468
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<v Speaker 2>and Roy william said that one always do that too,

469
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<v Speaker 2>And I always admired, as great a coach as he was,

470
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<v Speaker 2>how his teams could go from running and when they

471
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<v Speaker 2>didn't get a transition bucket they should go to half court.

472
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<v Speaker 2>And it looked like once flowed right into the other.

473
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<v Speaker 2>They didn't have to pull it out, call a play,

474
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<v Speaker 2>and everybody run to a spot. So you know, if

475
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<v Speaker 2>I can say that I see Mark Pope doing a

476
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<v Speaker 2>lot of the stuff that Roy Williams did, I think

477
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<v Speaker 2>that's probably a pretty good compliment.

478
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<v Speaker 1>Talking to David, the rivals work covers Kentucky and North

479
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<v Speaker 1>Carolina for Cats illustrated MARII Williams goes down early, and

480
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that that had something to do with the

481
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:11.680
<v Speaker 1>rebounding battle being almost even. We'll get back to that.

482
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<v Speaker 1>But Pope talked about this as well in this post

483
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<v Speaker 1>game David. It forced him to play some different combinations,

484
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<v Speaker 1>different rotations, and it forced his players to make adjustments

485
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<v Speaker 1>on the fly, and that kind of fists right into

486
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<v Speaker 1>what you've been saying.

487
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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, and that's what you want to do. I

488
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:38.880
<v Speaker 2>would not want to go into these exhibitions and say, Okay,

489
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<v Speaker 2>everything's going to be perfect, we're going to play this

490
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<v Speaker 2>set lineup though game and we're going to do this.

491
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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't want that. I think right now, you've got

492
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<v Speaker 2>the tinker. Yeah, you've got the tinker, and see what

493
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<v Speaker 2>you've got. And you've got to work on different combinations.

494
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:05.279
<v Speaker 2>You've got to those things. You've got the small lineups,

495
00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:08.759
<v Speaker 2>big lineups, you've got to do all those different things.

496
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<v Speaker 2>So you know, you can look at Kentucky the last

497
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:16.640
<v Speaker 2>few years. It's death taxes and a bunch of injuries.

498
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<v Speaker 2>That's what it's been. And hopefully it won't be that

499
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<v Speaker 2>this year. But you're going to have some guys. You're

500
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.119
<v Speaker 2>going to get nicked up and banged up, and you're

501
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.240
<v Speaker 2>going to have guys who are not going to be available.

502
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.559
<v Speaker 2>So and it may be bigs, it may be perimeters.

503
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:33.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they may be some games they don't have

504
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Amri wheels, I may don't have Friend of Gears. They

505
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.759
<v Speaker 2>may have some guards out, So you want to get

506
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:41.319
<v Speaker 2>these guys experience. I think you want to give them

507
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.119
<v Speaker 2>as much time playing on each other and different lineups

508
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:47.559
<v Speaker 2>as much as possible. It's not really a next as

509
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>those things. It's just getting guys used to playing with

510
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<v Speaker 2>each other.

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<v Speaker 1>David Sister, I guess we'll come back and talk more

512
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<v Speaker 1>with the coach in just a minute here on the

513
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<v Speaker 1>Big Boom site. Welcome back to starting w L. That's

514
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<v Speaker 1>Illustrated part of the Rivals network. He covers Canentucky and

515
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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina for Cats Illustrated or rather for Rivals, and

516
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<v Speaker 1>talking of course about the two exhibition games. Of course,

517
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<v Speaker 1>in a way, David, with all due respect to Wesley

518
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<v Speaker 1>and I kind of throw that one out because they

519
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.640
<v Speaker 1>were sobermatched. We all know the Minnesota State was a

520
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:20.039
<v Speaker 1>D two national champion last year and forced Kentucky to

521
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<v Speaker 1>work a lot harder, I thought last night, and part

522
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<v Speaker 1>of that was rebounding when the Mary Williams went out.

523
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<v Speaker 1>They had a streak there in the second half and

524
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.319
<v Speaker 1>they were hitting almost everything they put up. So it's

525
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<v Speaker 1>a reminder that it is so early. I mean, there's

526
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<v Speaker 1>so much work to do, isn't there?

527
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<v Speaker 4>There is?

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<v Speaker 2>And I will say this, when I watched Minni State

529
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<v Speaker 2>of State early, I was like, man, they're not very athletic. Yeah,

530
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:49.119
<v Speaker 2>and I mean they did they were skilled. They should

531
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:54.680
<v Speaker 2>really shoot the ball. So there were not a lot

532
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<v Speaker 2>of D one athletes out there. So I think the

533
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<v Speaker 2>big question right now that we were going to be

534
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.039
<v Speaker 2>offered is, you know, how athletic is this team. I

535
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.079
<v Speaker 2>think that's going to be one of the outlying questions

536
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.039
<v Speaker 2>early on. But one thing that I did notice as

537
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky got going, they looked more athletic. And this game

538
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.559
<v Speaker 2>went on in Minnesota State got tirer, they looked even

539
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:23.920
<v Speaker 2>more athletic, but they started making mistakes. I started noticing

540
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:29.200
<v Speaker 2>them making defensive mistakes. You know, on the pick and

541
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:34.960
<v Speaker 2>roll that car had two guys went with Robinson Jackson,

542
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Robinson cutting to the top so there wasn't a vocal

543
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:41.039
<v Speaker 2>call on the switch, and then Toby Bray I had

544
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.599
<v Speaker 2>that kind of step back three off the dribble and

545
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:46.079
<v Speaker 2>both guys went on there. He came off of all screen.

546
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Both guys went with a role on that one, and

547
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:51.519
<v Speaker 2>he just pulled the dribble back and shot it. So

548
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.799
<v Speaker 2>those things happened, But like I said, I'm going to

549
00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:00.799
<v Speaker 2>tell you this for Kentucky, and they are going to

550
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.519
<v Speaker 2>the way they can shoot the ball and the way

551
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.599
<v Speaker 2>they move, and it's a beautiful thing to watch. They

552
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:11.640
<v Speaker 2>are going to force other defenses on every cut and

553
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>every screen, in every roll and every bit of action

554
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 2>because there's all this moving and screening. You are going

555
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:22.920
<v Speaker 2>to have to be on top of your game on

556
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:27.079
<v Speaker 2>how you guard this stuff because if you don't, and

557
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 2>as well as they shoot the ball, they can really

558
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>just scorch you. If let's say, two guys go with

559
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.880
<v Speaker 2>a roll, two guys go with the cut instead of

560
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.759
<v Speaker 2>the row. They don't communicate it, they don't have backside help,

561
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you don't have the tag guy. You don't switch this

562
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.000
<v Speaker 2>action the way. If they're going to switch it, you

563
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.920
<v Speaker 2>don't do it. You don't do it aggressively. I mean,

564
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.519
<v Speaker 2>they're going to put pressure on teams to do the

565
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:53.880
<v Speaker 2>right things defensively.

566
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I saw it last night.

567
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<v Speaker 2>And here's the thing, anybody, So we're talking about Minnesota

568
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:07.160
<v Speaker 2>State not being Duke, and I just released the story

569
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>at Cat's Illustrated and I said this the very last paragraph,

570
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Duke and missus switch just not Minnesota State and that

571
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.519
<v Speaker 2>has nothing to do with athleticism on the way you're

572
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 2>a high level D one athlete or a D two

573
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:27.039
<v Speaker 2>athlete has nothing to do with it. So Minnesota State

574
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:30.079
<v Speaker 2>mississ O switches. Well, all that happens, man, they just

575
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>knocking down threes. Jackson Robinson when you put him in

576
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 2>the stagger action and the zoom action. Let's say you

577
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>set a pick a roll at the top and you

578
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 2>have Jackson Robinson coming off the wing to fill up,

579
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>so we call it roll a place and fill You

580
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:50.599
<v Speaker 2>had to pick. You have to roll by the big

581
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>and then the wing comes up on the other side

582
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:57.359
<v Speaker 2>behind it. So if the tag guy goes takes the roll,

583
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.720
<v Speaker 2>you just kick it to Robinson up and he shoots three.

584
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:05.440
<v Speaker 2>So if you have Robinson's got he decides to stay,

585
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>then there's no back line help against that role. If

586
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.000
<v Speaker 2>you try to head, your help on the of sprint

587
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 2>on the guard. So Robinson comes up and I'm watching

588
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 2>guys last night. They said, hey, we'll give you a

589
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>roll of the dunk. We're gonna say, I'm staying with Robinson.

590
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I am not giving up free. We'll let you dunk

591
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:26.319
<v Speaker 2>it before you give up the three. So those kinds

592
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:29.759
<v Speaker 2>of decisions. So you put him Kobe Brush at forty percent,

593
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Chris s they hit some deep ball. So you've got

594
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Speaker 2>those three point shooters out there, who's just it looks

595
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:40.720
<v Speaker 2>like the rims as big as a barrel when they're

596
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:45.799
<v Speaker 2>shooting it. They're putting pressure on guys to make decisions.

597
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 2>They're all of a sudden team defenses taught. I've got

598
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 2>a tag on this roll. But I got Jackson Robinson

599
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.839
<v Speaker 2>filling up on the outside. He's made eight threes tonight.

600
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>What am I going to do? So there they can

601
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.960
<v Speaker 2>put you in a and that those kind of predictables.

602
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and yet at times, Coach, they passed up would

603
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:10.039
<v Speaker 1>looked like some really easy, makeable twos. To throw that

604
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:12.920
<v Speaker 1>one extra pass and fired off into the corner for

605
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>an attempt at three.

606
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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, Yeah, I'm interested to see

607
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<v Speaker 2>how much at Kentucky his formula will be kind of

608
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:26.039
<v Speaker 2>like a Natos where they you know, don't really shoot

609
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>the mid range. And so now now he'll tell them

610
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.480
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want you if you're at the ram passing

611
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:38.119
<v Speaker 2>the ball out for the three. Now, that's going to

612
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.880
<v Speaker 2>be one thing. But you know they'll pass up that

613
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.960
<v Speaker 2>open twelve further for a guy outside. So that I'm

614
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:48.640
<v Speaker 2>really interested to see on a shot selection because I

615
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:50.799
<v Speaker 2>mean they're coming out now. I mean they're shooting forty

616
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.119
<v Speaker 2>three's a game. And if you look last year, so

617
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.799
<v Speaker 2>let's take Alabama for example, you know we think about

618
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 2>them the second up all these threes. They averaged twenty

619
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:05.599
<v Speaker 2>eight game last year, the the lead, the lead NCAA

620
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.320
<v Speaker 2>leaders shot thirty one per game, so they're you know,

621
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.800
<v Speaker 2>they're about eight over that. I think it was thirty

622
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 2>ninety CAF I find numbers right, so they're right, they're

623
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.960
<v Speaker 2>eight above that. Now I know it's exhibitions the more

624
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 2>athletic teams too, And as you scout, they're going to

625
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>run them off the line. I thought Minnesota State last night,

626
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<v Speaker 2>I watched them all that. I said, you know, they're

627
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<v Speaker 2>not trying to slow it down. They play all this

628
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<v Speaker 2>zoom and stagger and their actions look a lot like popes.

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<v Speaker 2>If you watch them and they're getting quit shots up

630
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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, man, this may not work out too

631
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<v Speaker 2>well for them. They're gonna try to run with them.

632
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<v Speaker 2>So uh, you know, teams will scout, teams will start

633
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.960
<v Speaker 2>trying to take stuff away. But you know right now,

634
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<v Speaker 2>I mean Kentucky, it's as Mark Popees is advertisment. You know,

635
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.800
<v Speaker 2>he's team shoot threes and they're shooting a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they were cold to begin with and they

637
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:01.559
<v Speaker 1>got super hot and put that game way uh and

638
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>pok on to tease the audience after said major nervous,

639
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't we uh, but he said he basically told the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>The fans who waited around to see his postgame show

641
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 1>and listened to him on the radio said, he basically said,

642
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:18.320
<v Speaker 1>on paraphrasing, get used to that, you know, because it's

643
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>all about them getting good threes. But sometimes they're going

644
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>to miss a bunch in a row and they're gonna

645
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<v Speaker 1>make a lot and.

646
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<v Speaker 2>It happens because it's it's high risk y reward. You know.

647
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like if you're a golf fan, you watch a

648
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.800
<v Speaker 2>PGA tour, it's like one of these two hundred ninety

649
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 2>yard parts horns of water on those sides. You know,

650
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>you can drive the grain and get some eagles and

651
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.039
<v Speaker 2>you may. You know, it's fun to watch, you know,

652
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.320
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of intrigue to it's definitely not boring.

653
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 2>And he yeah, his teams are going to shoot us,

654
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.800
<v Speaker 2>and that's what happens. But you think about it, uh,

655
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, you just keep shooting them. And I think

656
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:59.280
<v Speaker 2>that's what the coaches who play this kind of style

657
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.119
<v Speaker 2>will tell of guys. You don't even think about them.

658
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:06.320
<v Speaker 2>It's this, you just keep shooting and everything will even up,

659
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, on the numbers eventually. And they did start

660
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 2>out slow, but then they get heated up. So you

661
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:17.880
<v Speaker 2>think about if you make Jack to Robinson makes eight threes,

662
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 2>he would have had to make twelve twos even up

663
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.599
<v Speaker 2>with that twenty four point So you know what you

664
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<v Speaker 2>can get what you know, we'll pray threes for twos.

665
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:33.320
<v Speaker 2>And you know where I grew up, there was a

666
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<v Speaker 2>coach back in you know, in the early eighties, like seventies.

667
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.960
<v Speaker 2>His name is Chris Jones Carson Newman, and Chris Jones

668
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 2>was really kind of started this stuff running. And then

669
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<v Speaker 2>when they put the three point line up. His thing

670
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.599
<v Speaker 2>was he didn't care about defense. And there he had

671
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of players out of Kentucky. One of them

672
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:56.719
<v Speaker 2>was named Steve Adams and some of the listeners may

673
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.280
<v Speaker 2>know that name, and he was from Kentucky and he

674
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:03.239
<v Speaker 2>was a great player there. He said. Coach Jones didn't

675
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>even call deep, never used the word defense, called defense

676
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>it you know what, had never addressed. And he said

677
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:13.639
<v Speaker 2>his defense strategy to let the other teams score as

678
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.800
<v Speaker 2>quickly as possible, so we needn't get the ball back.

679
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 2>And his thing was, we'll let you have all the

680
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:20.960
<v Speaker 2>twos that you want. We're gonna go down to make threes,

681
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.840
<v Speaker 2>so we're gonna trade our threes for your twos. And

682
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>I think Mark Pope wants to put more on defense.

683
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.599
<v Speaker 2>And what coach Jones did that just gives you an example,

684
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:32.599
<v Speaker 2>you know that that's just kind of like was the

685
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.159
<v Speaker 2>philosophy and analytics is such a big part of it

686
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 2>where you say, hey, we've got the numbers to prove

687
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.079
<v Speaker 2>that if we make threes, you just can't keep up

688
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>and beat us. And I'm sure he knows. I'm sure

689
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.480
<v Speaker 2>he knows the analytics of everything that's going on, the numbers,

690
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.119
<v Speaker 2>how many in the style he needs to attempt. It's

691
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.119
<v Speaker 2>really fascinating those coaches can tell you how many threes

692
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.079
<v Speaker 2>need to take per game, what percentage of threes, and

693
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.199
<v Speaker 2>how many they need to make based on I have

694
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<v Speaker 2>douging card and the numbers will work out.

695
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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no question about it, and just an FYI.

696
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:07.679
<v Speaker 1>I will have to talk about it next time. But

697
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.800
<v Speaker 1>a guy that was in my freshman dorm and played

698
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.400
<v Speaker 1>freshman ball at Kentucky transferred to Carson Newman. But that's

699
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>a conversation for another night.

700
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:20.000
<v Speaker 2>David Sisters played Jones played with Oscar Robertson for the

701
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati Royal, So that tells you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

702
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 2>He had a lot of guys. He had a lot

703
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:27.400
<v Speaker 2>of guys. He had a lot of guys out to

704
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 2>touch and play a lot about credibility.

705
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.079
<v Speaker 1>Followed David on Cats Illustrated part of the Rivals Network

706
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>on X. He has coached David Sisk and looking forward

707
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 1>to talking to you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Coach Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Up next Cameron Drummond of The Hero Leader to talk

710
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 1>about the basketball and football Cats and Ellis Star The

711
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.440
<v Speaker 1>uber Kapper looks ahead to the Breeders Cup That's all

712
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 1>next year. On The Big Bulling Siders six thirty.

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<v Speaker 5>W la Per.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Big Blue and Sider joining us

715
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<v Speaker 1>now in our celebrity outline as a guy that covers

716
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:48.000
<v Speaker 1>men's basketball, horse racing, soccer and a lot more for

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<v Speaker 1>the Hair Leader, Cam Drummond, Cam, how are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 9>I'm doing good, you know, still shaking off the cobb

719
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<v Speaker 9>leeds after being in Louisville last night for a United

720
00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 9>States women's soccer match, but nonetheless excited to shift gears,

721
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.559
<v Speaker 9>talk a little basketball, and really any of the other

722
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 9>things that I do over at the Herald Leader.

723
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<v Speaker 1>Well before we get to that, though, tell me about

724
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 1>how that played out. Because they got a friendly win

725
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>over Argentina, first time in twenty years that the US

726
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.679
<v Speaker 1>soccer team has played in the state of Kentucky. What

727
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:18.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of crowd did they get?

728
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<v Speaker 9>A spectacular crowd was a sold out crowd of more

729
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:25.599
<v Speaker 9>than thirteen thousand, five hundred people at Louisville's Lynn Family Stadium,

730
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 9>which is, of course, where both of Louisville's professional men's

731
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.440
<v Speaker 9>and women's soccer teams play. It was the largest crowd

732
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 9>ever to see a women's soccer match in that stadium's history.

733
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.519
<v Speaker 9>They even had some temporary bleachers in the area that's

734
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 9>normally standing room only to house the crowd and really

735
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<v Speaker 9>just kind of an example of the growing influence that

736
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<v Speaker 9>Kentucky is starting to have on the American soccer team.

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<v Speaker 9>He's got four professional teams in the state now, between

738
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:53.400
<v Speaker 9>the two in Louisville and the two under the Lexington

739
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.920
<v Speaker 9>Sporting Club umbrella. Obviously, I've see Cincinnati and Major League

740
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 9>Soccer not too far away, just across the Ohio River.

741
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<v Speaker 9>So I don't think it'll be twenty years before another

742
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:04.960
<v Speaker 9>United States national team makes the trips of the Commonwealth.

743
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:05.599
<v Speaker 9>I'll say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's a great stadium. Isn't a great facility?

745
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah, excellent, you know, really Christine's views of the

746
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.440
<v Speaker 9>Big Four Bridge, some of the Southern Indiana and downtown

747
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 9>Louisville skylines, and also just a great time that they've

748
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 9>set up that stadium in a really engaging way where

749
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.599
<v Speaker 9>there's great site lines, great atmosphere. You know, it's kind

750
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:28.960
<v Speaker 9>of a bowl design with one end open. It's pretty

751
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.039
<v Speaker 9>easy to get to from the highway that connects Blessington

752
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:34.800
<v Speaker 9>in Louisville. So yeah, they definitely have done a great

753
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:36.840
<v Speaker 9>job with that, and you can see that usually with

754
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.400
<v Speaker 9>pretty high supporter turnouts for all the activities they have there.

755
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<v Speaker 1>Any idea if and when they're coming back.

756
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.599
<v Speaker 9>No news yet. Obviously, there's a couple of major events

757
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 9>coming up soon with the twenty twenty six World Cup,

758
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:55.119
<v Speaker 9>which Louisville is a nominee or a candidate to be

759
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.440
<v Speaker 9>a host city for. That doesn't mean that they'll host matches,

760
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.719
<v Speaker 9>but it means they could be the base camp for

761
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 9>a couple teams you would still have to go. I

762
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.800
<v Speaker 9>believe Atlanta is the closest city to the Commonwealth in

763
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.679
<v Speaker 9>terms of hosting matches in the twenty six World Cup.

764
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.440
<v Speaker 9>But there'll definitely be some cycles not only for the

765
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:14.840
<v Speaker 9>women's national team, but the men's national team as well,

766
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.440
<v Speaker 9>maybe even some youth national teams down the line. So

767
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.079
<v Speaker 9>nothing's set in stone, but I do think before too

768
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.000
<v Speaker 9>on we'll see another national team match here in Kentucky.

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00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Good well, let me shift over to basketball because Ben

770
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Roberts talk about this the other day with me, and

771
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 1>he said, you were kind of keeping track of offensive

772
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:38.039
<v Speaker 1>possessions against both Kentucky Wesleyan and Minnesota State man Cato

773
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and basically with an eye on the shots that went

774
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.679
<v Speaker 1>up the pace of the game. Was that something you

775
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 1>decided you would do ahead of time or tell me

776
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>about your curiosity when it comes to something like this.

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00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.679
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, certainly, Well, obviously something that was a pretty big

778
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.760
<v Speaker 9>storyline and continues to be a big storyline, you know,

779
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.239
<v Speaker 9>during the early stages of Mark Pope's first season. Is

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00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.440
<v Speaker 9>just the offensive philosophy that Kentucky has. You know, they

781
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 9>talked in the off season about bringing the ball past

782
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.320
<v Speaker 9>half court within three seconds on the shot clock, getting

783
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.199
<v Speaker 9>a shot up within fourteen seconds on the shot clock.

784
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 9>So this wall results in an article a bit down

785
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.119
<v Speaker 9>the road, you know, once we get some real regular

786
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.800
<v Speaker 9>season game data to basis off of talking to a

787
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<v Speaker 9>few more people, talking to some opposing coaches as well.

788
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<v Speaker 9>But just through the first two exhibition games, I did

789
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:29.119
<v Speaker 9>a very rough hand, rudimentary counting of how many of

790
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 9>those Kentucky basketball offensive possessions resulted in a shot within

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00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 9>the first fourteen seconds of the shot clock, right, And

792
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.440
<v Speaker 9>so there were some parameters in place. You know, obviously,

793
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:40.719
<v Speaker 9>if a possession, you know, results in the turnover, that

794
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.880
<v Speaker 9>doesn't count. I kind of filter out some noise in

795
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.519
<v Speaker 9>the data in terms of if an opponent fouls them

796
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.159
<v Speaker 9>within the first couple of seconds, or you know, if

797
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.559
<v Speaker 9>they get the ball in it's a reset shot clock

798
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.000
<v Speaker 9>or the end of a half or whatever. But basically,

799
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:58.480
<v Speaker 9>through two games, both of the exhibitions Kentucky basketball more

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00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.840
<v Speaker 9>than sixty eight percent on both During both games, of

801
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 9>those countable possessions resulted in a shot attempt within the

802
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.559
<v Speaker 9>first fourteen seconds of the shot clock. That percentage worth

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00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:12.400
<v Speaker 9>seventy eight point four percent for Kentucky Wesleyan and sixty

804
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.760
<v Speaker 9>eight point eight percent for Minnesota State. So obviously a

805
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:18.119
<v Speaker 9>small data set, but you know, for all the talk

806
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.199
<v Speaker 9>in the off season about Kentucky trying to get into

807
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:23.159
<v Speaker 9>those offensive actions early on, to let the ball fly

808
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 9>from deep, to get those quick shots, it's certainly happening

809
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.360
<v Speaker 9>and you were seeing that reflected in three point numbers.

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<v Speaker 9>Obviously the point totals as well, especially once Kentucky y

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00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 9>got going against Minnesota State. So this Markope offense is

812
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.280
<v Speaker 9>going to operate fast, it's going to operate quickly, and

813
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:42.519
<v Speaker 9>if it's operating efficiently, it really can overwhelm opponents.

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<v Speaker 1>Not surprising that the number was down just a bit

815
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<v Speaker 1>against Minnesota State. It's a better team than Wesleyan, and

816
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 1>the Wesleyan coach after the game apologized first team not

817
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:55.840
<v Speaker 1>giving a better effort, But that slow start, I guess

818
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.760
<v Speaker 1>had something to do with those numbers. Can but that's

819
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<v Speaker 1>still pretty impressive.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh, definitely, yeah, And especially when you think about the

821
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.840
<v Speaker 9>Minnesota State game. And I think one of the storylines

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<v Speaker 9>that my colleague Ben focused on after the game for

823
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:11.559
<v Speaker 9>his article on Kentucky dot Com was just the fact

824
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 9>that this is going to continue to be the way

825
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.000
<v Speaker 9>the style in which Mark Pope's teams play, even if

826
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.280
<v Speaker 9>the shots aren't necessarily falling. I mean, it felt like

827
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<v Speaker 9>the basket had a lid over it when it came

828
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 9>to three pointers and just general offense for the first

829
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:27.719
<v Speaker 9>ten to twelve minutes for Kentucky against Minnesota State. And

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<v Speaker 9>then the next thing, you know, you look up in

831
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<v Speaker 9>Kentucky's gone on a twenty three to two run in

832
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 9>like a three minute span to create you know, incredible separation,

833
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:39.360
<v Speaker 9>put the outcome far beyond, far beyond halftime. And I'm

834
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 9>not saying that's going to be replicated every single night

835
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:44.639
<v Speaker 9>out against a Division one opponent or an SEC play.

836
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.360
<v Speaker 9>But when you look up and all of a sudden,

837
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 9>Jackson Robinson makes four to three pointers in a six

838
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:51.480
<v Speaker 9>minute span, you know, even what we saw Trent Noah

839
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:53.760
<v Speaker 9>do against Kentucky Wesley and with a barrage of late

840
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:56.440
<v Speaker 9>three pointers and just the depth and the waves with

841
00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 9>which this team can come at you. We've seen some

842
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 9>great stuff from Otegaha early on, just in terms of

843
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:05.239
<v Speaker 9>driving to the basket, forcing the issue, putting pressure on

844
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 9>the rim. And this is with us only being exposed

845
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:11.079
<v Speaker 9>to sixteen minutes of the Kerk Crease, a fast paced,

846
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:15.159
<v Speaker 9>breakneck experience off the bench. So you know, this Kentucky

847
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.679
<v Speaker 9>basketball team is going to have to win offensively with

848
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.199
<v Speaker 9>depth this season. You know, they still probably kind of

849
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:24.280
<v Speaker 9>lack that one true, number one alpha option on that

850
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:26.920
<v Speaker 9>side of the court. But because they can go nine

851
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:30.119
<v Speaker 9>to ten, maybe even eleven players deep, and they come

852
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.480
<v Speaker 9>at you in these waves, and they have such a

853
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.559
<v Speaker 9>high potential to get hot from three point range, to

854
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 9>be making shots at a consistent clip, then all of

855
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:40.920
<v Speaker 9>a sudden, it might be very difficult for teams to

856
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.199
<v Speaker 9>not only prepare for this within the course of the

857
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.639
<v Speaker 9>season when you only have a couple of days before

858
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 9>before a game excuses a scouting opponent, but also adjusting

859
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.599
<v Speaker 9>on the fly, especially when a run like that happened.

860
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.119
<v Speaker 9>I believe the Minnesota State coach spoke post game about

861
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 9>how it can deboralize a team when you know four

862
00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.840
<v Speaker 9>to three pointers go in in a sixty second span.

863
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.559
<v Speaker 1>And how do you prepare for a team with so

864
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.880
<v Speaker 1>many guys who can shoot, I mean willing to shoot.

865
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.519
<v Speaker 1>They all have the green light, even the biggs. Garrison

866
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.039
<v Speaker 1>tried one the other night for crying out loud, and

867
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.639
<v Speaker 1>they can hit him. So that extra pass is going

868
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:18.400
<v Speaker 1>to be deadly this year, at least in theory.

869
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:22.320
<v Speaker 9>Right, certainly, Yeah, and you think about the bigs as well.

870
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.880
<v Speaker 9>I mean, the first two exhibition games really haven't even

871
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.159
<v Speaker 9>shown the full versatility of Andrew Carr, who is expected

872
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.480
<v Speaker 9>to be one of the most efficient, if not the

873
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:33.599
<v Speaker 9>most efficient player on offense for Kentucky. I believe he's

874
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 9>combined for two to three point attempts through those first

875
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.880
<v Speaker 9>two exhibitions. Don't think he made either of them. You

876
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 9>referenced Brandon Garrison, who didn't take a single three pointer

877
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 9>all of last season as a freshman big at Oklahoma State.

878
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:48.840
<v Speaker 9>He's finally letting one fly from beyond the arc. And

879
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:51.199
<v Speaker 9>to say all that, you know, and that's without knowing

880
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.000
<v Speaker 9>you know who's going to prop up for a certain game. Again,

881
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:56.679
<v Speaker 9>we've seen otega Oway have some big score and performances,

882
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 9>even though Jackson Robinson has eased into that leading score

883
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.599
<v Speaker 9>role throughout the first two exhibitions. But it's not just

884
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 9>three pointers either, you know. I spoke to Andrew Carr,

885
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.559
<v Speaker 9>I think it was last week before the Minnesota State game,

886
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:11.159
<v Speaker 9>and he talked about how Kentucky also has a set

887
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 9>number of transition opportunities that they like to hit each game.

888
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.440
<v Speaker 9>I think he said the number was thirty two, although

889
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:19.400
<v Speaker 9>he told me not to quote him on that. So

890
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.480
<v Speaker 9>somewhere around that range is where Mark Pope, you know,

891
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:26.960
<v Speaker 9>thirty to thirty two transition opportunities. That obviously flows from defense.

892
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:29.719
<v Speaker 9>We've seen a great look at how intense some of

893
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.400
<v Speaker 9>that on ball pressure, especially from Lamont and Butler, can be,

894
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.360
<v Speaker 9>but even in those transition opportunities as well. I was

895
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.800
<v Speaker 9>referencing kind of that hand of charting offensive possession thing

896
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.320
<v Speaker 9>I was doing throughout the two first exhibitions. There are

897
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.719
<v Speaker 9>times where Kentucky was making a block or getting a

898
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.199
<v Speaker 9>steel or just coming up with a loose ball in

899
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.320
<v Speaker 9>the defensive end of the court. I would go down

900
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 9>on my piece of paper to write a tali mark

901
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.440
<v Speaker 9>to signify that an offensive possession was about to begin.

902
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:56.199
<v Speaker 9>I'd look up and the ball would already be in

903
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:59.039
<v Speaker 9>the basket. You know, in Kentucky, Wesley and our Minnesota

904
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.480
<v Speaker 9>State would be taking it out of bounds because that's

905
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:05.159
<v Speaker 9>how fast in transition Kentucky is moving, how fast they're

906
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.880
<v Speaker 9>getting that shot up in transition. And again, even if

907
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:11.199
<v Speaker 9>that SHOT's not necessarily going in, oftentimes that's resulting in

908
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:13.960
<v Speaker 9>a foul or just draining an opponent. You know. I

909
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 9>think the other thing to think about, especially as the

910
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:19.239
<v Speaker 9>season goes on, is this style of play, how fast

911
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.000
<v Speaker 9>they're moving, you know, just how much you know mentally,

912
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:23.719
<v Speaker 9>how much that takes out of a team to be

913
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.400
<v Speaker 9>defending x amount of offensive possessions per game. Kentucky may

914
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.960
<v Speaker 9>just wear teams down physically and mentally because of how

915
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:33.679
<v Speaker 9>fast this offense in tends to operate.

916
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 1>Talking to Cameron Drumming to the Hero Leader about the

917
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.280
<v Speaker 1>basketball Wildcats, we'll come back with a few more questions

918
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:41.199
<v Speaker 1>for Cam on the other side of the break here

919
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:43.119
<v Speaker 1>in the Big Boon side Welcome back, We're talking with

920
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Cam Drumming of the Hero Leader. He was charting Kentucky's

921
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:49.440
<v Speaker 1>offensive efficiency. How quickly did the Wildcats get up shots

922
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:54.360
<v Speaker 1>against both Minnesota State Man Cato and Kentucky Wesleyan. I

923
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:56.559
<v Speaker 1>really got a kick out of Mark Pope. I don't

924
00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.800
<v Speaker 1>know if you were still in rupp Arena, or you

925
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:00.239
<v Speaker 1>might have been back in the back, or he might

926
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.639
<v Speaker 1>have said the same thing back there. But when he

927
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.400
<v Speaker 1>said to the fans talking about that two for thirteenth streak,

928
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.679
<v Speaker 1>he said, we made you nervous, didn't we? And he

929
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:11.679
<v Speaker 1>said that doesn't phase me, So I guess we all

930
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:14.719
<v Speaker 1>need to get get ready for streaks like that. But

931
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.280
<v Speaker 1>as you pointed out and everybody saw, they went on

932
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:21.559
<v Speaker 1>that run that turned a nervous crowd and the one

933
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 1>that was going nuts when the three pointers began to fall.

934
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Right Yeah.

935
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:27.960
<v Speaker 9>And again I think this might be the case for

936
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:30.679
<v Speaker 9>at least certain games this season where it might infuriate

937
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.599
<v Speaker 9>Kentucky fans as they continue to see the catch put

938
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:36.360
<v Speaker 9>up three pointers or take quick shots and they don't fall.

939
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.760
<v Speaker 9>But that's the whole recipe here, that's the whole secret.

940
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:42.320
<v Speaker 9>And especially in that Minnesota State postgame press conference, Mark

941
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.880
<v Speaker 9>Hope was pretty clear that you know, hey, BBN, this

942
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.159
<v Speaker 9>is exactly how we're going to play. You know, he

943
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:49.840
<v Speaker 9>still did a couple questions about just how he keeps

944
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:52.880
<v Speaker 9>his player's confidence up. You know, the message, the mentality

945
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.599
<v Speaker 9>that he preaches to them even in those difficult moments

946
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:58.159
<v Speaker 9>when shots aren't falling, and you know, the crowd might

947
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.440
<v Speaker 9>get a bit uneasy or a bit worried or or whatever,

948
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:03.280
<v Speaker 9>but the whole mentality and the whole approach is to

949
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:05.800
<v Speaker 9>continue taking those shots. I mean, one of the most

950
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:10.039
<v Speaker 9>popular refrains we heard from Kentucky players this offseason during

951
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:12.840
<v Speaker 9>media opportunities was that Mark Pope was going to get

952
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 9>mad at you if you didn't take those open shot.

953
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.199
<v Speaker 9>You know, it seems like the one way to guarantee

954
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:19.800
<v Speaker 9>that you don't play for Mark Pope is that you

955
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.960
<v Speaker 9>pass up open opportunities or you're hesitant to take the

956
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.880
<v Speaker 9>shot when it presents itself. So I think from all

957
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:29.000
<v Speaker 9>corners here, Mark Pope is teaching both to his players

958
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 9>both to the fan base that hey, Kentucky basketball is

959
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.679
<v Speaker 9>going to play this three point heavy, fast paced offensive style,

960
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:38.000
<v Speaker 9>even if it's not going great, They're going to stick

961
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.599
<v Speaker 9>to their guns, stick to their principles on that. And

962
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:42.199
<v Speaker 9>if you're not willing to be a part of that

963
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.199
<v Speaker 9>and flow within the offense and take that open three

964
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:48.679
<v Speaker 9>pointer or take that high percentage two pointer when it's available,

965
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:50.800
<v Speaker 9>then you're not going to be seeing the court much longer,

966
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:52.079
<v Speaker 9>right right.

967
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.440
<v Speaker 1>You know what's also curious to me, I want to

968
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:57.679
<v Speaker 1>really see how this team. They talk a lot about

969
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:01.480
<v Speaker 1>turning defense into offense quick you kind of alluded to

970
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:05.239
<v Speaker 1>that a few minutes ago, but how quickly can they

971
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:09.280
<v Speaker 1>turn offense into defense? Because we saw what happened last

972
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:13.320
<v Speaker 1>year with the Kentucky team that was brilliant at times offensively,

973
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.440
<v Speaker 1>but just couldn't get it done on defense. And Pope

974
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:20.440
<v Speaker 1>basically drafted his team at first with defense in mind,

975
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:20.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't he.

976
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:24.679
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, that's a really interesting thing and something that we definitely,

977
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:26.559
<v Speaker 9>you know, hit on a couple of times this offseason

978
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:29.280
<v Speaker 9>at Kentucky dot Com. Was just, you know, for a

979
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:33.239
<v Speaker 9>coach whose offensive philosophies are so championed, and that's kind

980
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:36.039
<v Speaker 9>of the calling card when you think about Mark Post teams,

981
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 9>especially the ones in recent years at BYU. This was

982
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:42.280
<v Speaker 9>a team that was drafted with a lot of defensive chops.

983
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.079
<v Speaker 9>I mean, I mentioned Lamon Butler a second ago, just

984
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.920
<v Speaker 9>with how much pressure he puts on opposing point guards,

985
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:51.400
<v Speaker 9>how tenacious he is when doing that on ball defense.

986
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:53.679
<v Speaker 9>But Amari Williams, you know, obviously, who had a bit

987
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 9>of an injury staer against Minnesota State. Three time Conference

988
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:58.840
<v Speaker 9>defensive player of the Year at Drexel, you know, a

989
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:01.480
<v Speaker 9>guy who can really patrol of paint, has good shop

990
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:05.119
<v Speaker 9>locking tendencies, rebounds well, and that pairs with some of

991
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:09.079
<v Speaker 9>his offensive skills in terms of the touring abilities, the

992
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.039
<v Speaker 9>passing ability as well as you've seen a couple of

993
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 9>times as well, or take it away again, another kind

994
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.599
<v Speaker 9>of big bodied guy in the backcourt who can really

995
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.920
<v Speaker 9>wall up on defense. And Brendan Garrison, who I talked

996
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.039
<v Speaker 9>about a little bit earlier in terms of being a

997
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:24.719
<v Speaker 9>McDonald's All American just a couple of years ago out

998
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.440
<v Speaker 9>of high school. Even last year. You know, he started

999
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.679
<v Speaker 9>as a freshman big in the Big Twelve, which was

1000
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 9>the consensus best conference in the country, although that looks

1001
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:36.039
<v Speaker 9>like it'll be the SEC this season. But he more

1002
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.360
<v Speaker 9>than held his own as a defender. And you get

1003
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:41.400
<v Speaker 9>some of these guys who are maybe offensive first players

1004
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:44.360
<v Speaker 9>to improve on the margins on defense. You know, make

1005
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.559
<v Speaker 9>sure that Kerkkrisa can stay in front of his guy,

1006
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.760
<v Speaker 9>Kobe Brea, even a guy like Colin Chandler as he

1007
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.760
<v Speaker 9>continues to round back into basketball shape. He has the size,

1008
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:57.000
<v Speaker 9>he has a basketball IQ, to sniff out passing lanes,

1009
00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:00.199
<v Speaker 9>to have active hands, all of those things. I think

1010
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.559
<v Speaker 9>what's really interesting too, is we saw, especially against Minnesota State,

1011
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.280
<v Speaker 9>Mark Pope trying some really interesting lineup combinations. I believe

1012
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:09.559
<v Speaker 9>there was at one point where Kobe Brea was the

1013
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:12.719
<v Speaker 9>tallest guy on the court as Kentucky went ultra small,

1014
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:14.880
<v Speaker 9>and there are probably going to be some other moments,

1015
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:18.000
<v Speaker 9>at least earlier in the season where he tries to

1016
00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:20.880
<v Speaker 9>pair you know, Brandon Garrison with another big you know,

1017
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:25.039
<v Speaker 9>or tries to pair Amari Williams his help with another

1018
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:27.400
<v Speaker 9>big you know. Try and figure out those lineup combinations

1019
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.880
<v Speaker 9>is still a pretty inexact science. Mark Pope still hasn't

1020
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:34.320
<v Speaker 9>really committed to having that rigid of a plan in

1021
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.679
<v Speaker 9>terms of always having this starting five, always bringing a

1022
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:39.800
<v Speaker 9>couple of guys off the bench, and I know that

1023
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.960
<v Speaker 9>drove some Kentucky fans crazy last year, but I think

1024
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:44.960
<v Speaker 9>they'll see a little bit more of a fluid situation

1025
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:47.599
<v Speaker 9>this year in terms of who plays with who, who

1026
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:50.599
<v Speaker 9>starts games, who closes games, And that just speaks to

1027
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:53.840
<v Speaker 9>the versatility that Kentucky has really on both ends of

1028
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:56.480
<v Speaker 9>the court to cause potential problems for opponents.

1029
00:55:57.239 --> 00:55:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I've only got a couple of minutes left, but you

1030
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:01.719
<v Speaker 1>brought up a great point in that, and Pope talked

1031
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.440
<v Speaker 1>about this. The injury to Williams forced him to play

1032
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:08.440
<v Speaker 1>some rotations and combinations that they weren't quite ready for.

1033
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:12.320
<v Speaker 1>But there were veteran players able to adjust on the fly,

1034
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.800
<v Speaker 1>and compared to some I'm not knocking him, but compared

1035
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:18.960
<v Speaker 1>to Caliperi's rosters of the past, that's a luxury to

1036
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:20.840
<v Speaker 1>have guys who don't have to look to the bench

1037
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:22.760
<v Speaker 1>every time they come down the floor.

1038
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1039
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:26.039
<v Speaker 9>No, that's a great point you make as well, because

1040
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:29.360
<v Speaker 9>you think about putting these players in these situations, it's

1041
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.679
<v Speaker 9>obviously asking far more of an eighteen year old a

1042
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<v Speaker 9>nineteen year old to assimilate to a different role on

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00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:39.000
<v Speaker 9>the court, perhaps one that they've never played before, versus

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<v Speaker 9>having a twenty two to twenty three year old, a

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<v Speaker 9>guy who's played three, four, sometimes even five years of

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00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:48.280
<v Speaker 9>caused basketball previously to come in to know how to adjust,

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00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:50.920
<v Speaker 9>you know, not only because they've probably had to deputize

1048
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:54.320
<v Speaker 9>in an unfamiliar position before, just because there's so much

1049
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:59.079
<v Speaker 9>more mature physically, mentally understanding the game, and even you know,

1050
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.760
<v Speaker 9>from that mentality aspects. Knowing conversations with players this offseason

1051
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:06.519
<v Speaker 9>and during the preseason, everyone does seem laser focused on

1052
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:11.280
<v Speaker 9>banner number nine, winning as a team, producing those team results.

1053
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<v Speaker 9>And that's not to say that, you know. You know,

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00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:15.880
<v Speaker 9>to their credit, a lot of the even highly touted

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00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 9>freshmen that came in during a John Caliperry era, would

1056
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.800
<v Speaker 9>say the right things, you know, talk about wanting to

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00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:24.119
<v Speaker 9>win for the team, win for Kentucky, playing within that

1058
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:27.159
<v Speaker 9>team basketball concept. But it's hard when you're you know,

1059
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:28.840
<v Speaker 9>when you know that you have a one and done

1060
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.159
<v Speaker 9>player on the roster, or a player who's thinking one

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00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:33.000
<v Speaker 9>and done, to not think in the back of your

1062
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.840
<v Speaker 9>mind about, Hey, they're worried about how their role, how

1063
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 9>their usage might affect their NBA draft stocks. You know,

1064
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:42.239
<v Speaker 9>about how public or NBA scats excuse me, perceive them.

1065
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.280
<v Speaker 9>But on this Kentucky team, these are guys who have

1066
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:47.199
<v Speaker 9>stuck around college basketball a long time. You know, there

1067
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:50.159
<v Speaker 9>are many reasons now, especially with the portal and with NIL,

1068
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:53.159
<v Speaker 9>why guys may elect to be in college three, four

1069
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.719
<v Speaker 9>or five years instead of jumping earlier to the NBA.

1070
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<v Speaker 9>But as you mentioned a great benefit of having a

1071
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.440
<v Speaker 9>veteran laden team is that Mark Pope is probably far

1072
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.519
<v Speaker 9>more comfortable asking, you know, for example, Jackson Robinson, a

1073
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.480
<v Speaker 9>guy who's been with all these years, to do something

1074
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.599
<v Speaker 9>a little bit different on the sport, or even a

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00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:13.920
<v Speaker 9>Kobe Brea, Kurk Crista and Ainsley almanor because they have

1076
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.519
<v Speaker 9>that basketball acumen and because they're they're smart enough, seasoned

1077
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:19.800
<v Speaker 9>enough to know how to, you know, kind of manipulate

1078
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.679
<v Speaker 9>their games to fit whatever square peg in a round

1079
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:24.639
<v Speaker 9>hole type thing that Pope may have to fit them

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<v Speaker 9>into due to injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>And it all starts Monday night. Cam Drummond or the

1082
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:31.039
<v Speaker 1>HEROLD leader will be there to help Ben Roberts cover

1083
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:33.920
<v Speaker 1>things in John Clay and Mark's story and or wait

1084
00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:35.960
<v Speaker 1>a minute, you're going to be covering a women's game Monday.

1085
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<v Speaker 9>No, no, no, I'll be. I'll be straight up there

1086
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.760
<v Speaker 9>at Jeff Arena. You know, the whole gang will be there.

1087
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:44.960
<v Speaker 9>We'll have our women's reporter, Caroline mccowskis out for the

1088
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.880
<v Speaker 9>LEA team opener. But it's it's all going to be

1089
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.599
<v Speaker 9>happening at once now. As I, as I keep joking

1090
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.320
<v Speaker 9>to people in the Herald Leaders sports chat, you know

1091
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:56.199
<v Speaker 9>the offseason was great. Hope we got a lot of sleep,

1092
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:58.599
<v Speaker 9>you know. John Hale got started early up on there

1093
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:01.199
<v Speaker 9>on football coverage. But things are back to go. Is

1094
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:03.719
<v Speaker 9>there to sixty real fast, real quick, right now? And

1095
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:05.679
<v Speaker 9>Duc will be here before we know it for the

1096
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:06.519
<v Speaker 9>men's team as well.

1097
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<v Speaker 1>Follow him on Twitter see Drummond ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 9>Thanks Cam much, appreciate it, Dick, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Cam. Trying to chart shots that were going up so

1100
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.599
<v Speaker 1>quickly reminds me when I was the stats guy for

1101
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:23.039
<v Speaker 1>TV covers, when Marty Brenneman was doing our games and

1102
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:25.840
<v Speaker 1>there was no computer. Trying to keep up with Patino's

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00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Bombinos nearly impossible. Lstar next on six thirty Welcome back

1104
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:31.920
<v Speaker 1>to the Big Blue Insider. Joining us now is a

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00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:33.880
<v Speaker 1>longtime friend of the show and a guy I love

1106
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:37.199
<v Speaker 1>talking about horse racing with Ellis Star, the Uber Capper,

1107
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:41.119
<v Speaker 1>and he of course is preparing as are all racing

1108
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:44.360
<v Speaker 1>fans for the Breeders Cup Big week. Ellis, this has

1109
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.159
<v Speaker 1>got an excited guy like you.

1110
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you've.

1111
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:52.480
<v Speaker 10>Got this many racist for every division, the males, females,

1112
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:57.960
<v Speaker 10>sprints and routes, grass, dirt and just all the various factors.

1113
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:00.280
<v Speaker 10>And you know, with the Derby is such a cool

1114
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 10>event as well, when you've got twenty horses all bringing

1115
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:06.039
<v Speaker 10>their A games. But now you've got thirteen races with

1116
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:08.519
<v Speaker 10>horses all bringing their A games. Maybe it's fourteen I

1117
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:12.039
<v Speaker 10>lose track all bringing their A games. Needs division and

1118
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.320
<v Speaker 10>it's a masterful puzzle and a lot of fun to

1119
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:17.400
<v Speaker 10>try and decipher it and then hopefully be right a

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01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:18.039
<v Speaker 10>few times.

1121
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Del Mar Racetrack at in San Diego. I've driven by there,

1122
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:24.199
<v Speaker 1>never been there, but everybody I know ls who's been

1123
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:28.000
<v Speaker 1>there just raves about it. So that's on my bucket

1124
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:31.719
<v Speaker 1>list to spend a day donating money at Delmar. Is

1125
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:33.039
<v Speaker 1>that one of your favorite stops?

1126
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:37.039
<v Speaker 10>It is absolutely The backdrop is great, the beach and

1127
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:40.039
<v Speaker 10>people walk in, you know, some people walking into bikinis

1128
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:43.119
<v Speaker 10>and then they get suits and you know, it's just fantastic.

1129
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:46.599
<v Speaker 10>And during the summer, of course, the weather is phenomenal.

1130
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:46.519
<v Speaker 2>In the eighties.

1131
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:48.960
<v Speaker 10>It's gonna be a little cooler in November, just like

1132
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:51.239
<v Speaker 10>it is here in Lexington. About the same Mother actually,

1133
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:54.679
<v Speaker 10>which is kind of interesting in the sixties, but it's

1134
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:58.960
<v Speaker 10>a great track. Sandy's also beautiful, the mountains in the backdrop,

1135
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:02.239
<v Speaker 10>and nothing is really keenom just because you're just looking

1136
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:05.519
<v Speaker 10>out not just the airport but the whole area of

1137
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:08.559
<v Speaker 10>central Kentucky and looking at Calumet and going east and

1138
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.280
<v Speaker 10>just at west and just a beautiful view. But Delmar

1139
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:13.400
<v Speaker 10>is a great track. It's a wonderful course, and they

1140
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.079
<v Speaker 10>don't run that much, so it's still kind of a

1141
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:18.519
<v Speaker 10>niche and people I get excited about it, even the

1142
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:20.760
<v Speaker 10>regular meat when it's not Breeders Cup.

1143
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:24.840
<v Speaker 1>This is the fortieth year. The fortieth anniversary was last year,

1144
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.239
<v Speaker 1>but in the chronologically the forties two. It started in

1145
01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:31.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four. John Gaines was one of the driving forces.

1146
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:35.719
<v Speaker 1>They were just looking for a big event. Derby Day

1147
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.039
<v Speaker 1>was great, but you know, the Triple Crown was only

1148
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:40.679
<v Speaker 1>great if you had a horse going for it. The

1149
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:46.360
<v Speaker 1>classic races. But it's interesting to me going back that

1150
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:50.440
<v Speaker 1>far Alice that it was a great idea that came

1151
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:52.719
<v Speaker 1>to life, and I think everybody will agree that it's

1152
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:53.840
<v Speaker 1>been a success.

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<v Speaker 10>There isn't success on a lot of least. Let me

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01:01:56.719 --> 01:02:00.119
<v Speaker 10>give a shout out to another person responsible said we

1155
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:03.239
<v Speaker 10>just turned at one hundred and three last week. God

1156
01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:05.679
<v Speaker 10>bless him, and he was with mister Gaines and also

1157
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.719
<v Speaker 10>President Keemlan and the execut State Police and just a

1158
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:12.239
<v Speaker 10>fantastic guy, and that they had a lot of foresight.

1159
01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:14.440
<v Speaker 10>And now it is. You know, they call the Biggest

1160
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:16.519
<v Speaker 10>Cup World champions just for so many years and it

1161
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:19.119
<v Speaker 10>kind of was, but it really is now because now

1162
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:22.639
<v Speaker 10>you've got horses coming in from the Middle East and

1163
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:26.920
<v Speaker 10>from Japan specifically, a lot and a lot of Europeans,

1164
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:30.000
<v Speaker 10>and some of these races have horses bred in all

1165
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:33.800
<v Speaker 10>kinds of places in South America, in Europe, and of

1166
01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:36.639
<v Speaker 10>course in North America and primarily in Kentucky. But it

1167
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:39.480
<v Speaker 10>is the World Championships now, so it's really taken it's

1168
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:41.159
<v Speaker 10>really taken hold around the world.

1169
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:43.880
<v Speaker 1>And I al would like to say that it's like

1170
01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the All Star Game and the World Championship rolled into one,

1171
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:52.840
<v Speaker 1>because everywhere you turn there's a really good horse, if

1172
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.679
<v Speaker 1>not a great horse. And when I was working at

1173
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:58.920
<v Speaker 1>the Channel twenty seven and covering whenever breeder I could

1174
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.360
<v Speaker 1>breeders' cups, I look at the list of horses some

1175
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:04.679
<v Speaker 1>of the storylines were pretty obvious. We had a limited number,

1176
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:07.639
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, where do we turn? Who do we

1177
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:10.199
<v Speaker 1>talk to? I mean, you could talk to anybody and everybody.

1178
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<v Speaker 10>Right, Yeah, that's true because you've got the greatest trainers

1179
01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:17.880
<v Speaker 10>in the world coming in, and the O'Brien and oh An,

1180
01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.559
<v Speaker 10>the jockeys of course, Aiding O'Brien and Ryan Moore and

1181
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:24.639
<v Speaker 10>their team, Charlie Appleby and William Buick coming in from Europe,

1182
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:27.320
<v Speaker 10>and just all the American invests are out here. And

1183
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:30.159
<v Speaker 10>again every horse is bringing you know, should even the

1184
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:32.159
<v Speaker 10>babies in the two year olds are bringing their eight

1185
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:33.079
<v Speaker 10>games into this rate.

1186
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:35.840
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Well, let's talk about the Classic, and there

1187
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:39.119
<v Speaker 1>are some names that are if you're just a casual

1188
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.440
<v Speaker 1>racing fan, maybe around the derby, you'll recognize some of

1189
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.280
<v Speaker 1>these names. Sierra Leone is a horse I liked early.

1190
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:48.199
<v Speaker 1>I like fierceness as well. Sierra Loan is a great

1191
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:51.119
<v Speaker 1>value bet right now twelve to one. But again, the

1192
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Classic is such a tough race to handicap because these

1193
01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:58.480
<v Speaker 1>are more of the mature horses, and City of troya

1194
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.199
<v Speaker 1>right now is five to two. You won't make much

1195
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:04.679
<v Speaker 1>betting on him elis, But that's a heck of a field.

1196
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:07.199
<v Speaker 1>Fierceness is three to one.

1197
01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:10.880
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, no, it's a great field. You've got the fierceness

1198
01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:14.360
<v Speaker 10>who missed the Derby or actually missed the Instrmt, paving

1199
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:17.960
<v Speaker 10>him at fifteenth, and then won the two big three

1200
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:20.800
<v Speaker 10>year old races they call it the Midsummer Derby travers

1201
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:23.679
<v Speaker 10>Sierra Leone, who was Mike got picking a Derby I'm

1202
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:27.159
<v Speaker 10>sure was yours and just was his own worst enemy,

1203
01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:30.519
<v Speaker 10>brushing with for every young down the stretch, and mister

1204
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:34.079
<v Speaker 10>Van snuck up the rail there and tear rallied from

1205
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:37.199
<v Speaker 10>eighteenth to lose my inches in that race. He's kind

1206
01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:41.320
<v Speaker 10>of been his own worst enemy since then. He's got

1207
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:43.679
<v Speaker 10>some bad habits. He gets going late, he kind of

1208
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:47.519
<v Speaker 10>loses focus. He hasn't won since the Moo gramd Stakes,

1209
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:50.360
<v Speaker 10>but he's always there and certainly there is value as

1210
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:52.519
<v Speaker 10>I mentioned Fierceness of course those two and then for

1211
01:04:52.599 --> 01:04:56.519
<v Speaker 10>every young who ran the Derby then basically pointed for

1212
01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:59.320
<v Speaker 10>this race. He was off for five months. He wont

1213
01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:03.119
<v Speaker 10>to race Japan called Japan Dirt Classic at the classic

1214
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:05.719
<v Speaker 10>distance of a mile on a quarter and he's back

1215
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:09.960
<v Speaker 10>so he fits in the race. Senior Buskador who won

1216
01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:14.760
<v Speaker 10>the twenty million dollars Saudi Cup in February as another horse,

1217
01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:16.880
<v Speaker 10>even though he was seventh in the last year's Classic.

1218
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:20.599
<v Speaker 10>Bob Effort always has a horse, horse named Newgate, who

1219
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:23.239
<v Speaker 10>was a horse that is the older horse. This year

1220
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:25.199
<v Speaker 10>won the Sanday the handicamp at they call it the

1221
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:30.840
<v Speaker 10>classic distance. Ushmittsoro, who was one of my picks in

1222
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:34.079
<v Speaker 10>the Bretish Cup Classic last or the only man's fifth.

1223
01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:37.360
<v Speaker 10>One of the other horses Dermosot Tadak. He was also

1224
01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:40.320
<v Speaker 10>back by the Japanese who ran second to Classic at

1225
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:44.159
<v Speaker 10>twenty five to one last year. He's back and just

1226
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:45.239
<v Speaker 10>tremendous stories.

1227
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:46.239
<v Speaker 2>I will talk.

1228
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:49.360
<v Speaker 10>About well Sex, we talk about City of Toury. You

1229
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:52.159
<v Speaker 10>mentioned who a lot of people haven't heard of, and

1230
01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:55.840
<v Speaker 10>it's interesting because he's a Kentucky bred horse by champion,

1231
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:59.000
<v Speaker 10>undefeated champion Justify, who of course won all quarter as

1232
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:03.000
<v Speaker 10>part of his crown. He's out of the European mayor

1233
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:05.679
<v Speaker 10>behind one of the best siders the world called Galileo,

1234
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:08.599
<v Speaker 10>and it's just a question whether he can transfer his form.

1235
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:10.519
<v Speaker 10>He's faster than any horse in the rights based on

1236
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:13.639
<v Speaker 10>speed figures which kind of normalize for all the various

1237
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:16.199
<v Speaker 10>tracks around the world. But the question is whether they

1238
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:18.320
<v Speaker 10>can run on dirt. And I've seen some pundits this

1239
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:20.840
<v Speaker 10>year saying he still looks like a turf force, et cetera.

1240
01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:24.079
<v Speaker 10>But he's been training on the dirt all week since

1241
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.559
<v Speaker 10>he arrived, and he's a three year old. Three year

1242
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:28.800
<v Speaker 10>olds do very well in this race because they're just maturing.

1243
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:31.280
<v Speaker 10>They're like eighteen to twenty year old boys and they're

1244
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:34.000
<v Speaker 10>just getting there, so they don't have an edge on

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<v Speaker 10>older horses, but they still have maturing where the older

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<v Speaker 10>horses are really physically as mature as they're going to get.

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<v Speaker 10>So he's certainly interesting to five or two, he said,

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<v Speaker 10>no value. The horse I'm most interested in, and this,

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<v Speaker 10>of course is on my analysis at echo bay dot

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<v Speaker 10>com and other places you can can find it. For

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<v Speaker 10>the for the Classic, which is free, is a horse

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<v Speaker 10>named Next, and he's got some buzz to him. He's

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<v Speaker 10>eight to one on the starting odds morning line. This

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01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:02.840
<v Speaker 10>horse is one thirteen twenty three. It's interesting. Is a

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<v Speaker 10>lot of horses, just like people find out what their

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<v Speaker 10>careers are later in life. And Next was claimed back

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<v Speaker 10>in twenty twenty two by really good trainer that trains

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<v Speaker 10>in Ohio, Kentucky named William Kallens Doug Kalns, and he

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<v Speaker 10>was an exclaimer. He was in a claimer race. We

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<v Speaker 10>started out as really highly regarded and he was in

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<v Speaker 10>a lot of good races and then he they said, well,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, we dont know what he's going to amount to,

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<v Speaker 10>and so we're going to put him in for a

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<v Speaker 10>I think it was an allowance and optional claiming price

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<v Speaker 10>race back then, and they put him in for sixty

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<v Speaker 10>twenty five hundred and I'm trying to find the date

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<v Speaker 10>right now to be sure because it's it's on the

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<v Speaker 10>it's passed the twelve lines that are most pps, but

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<v Speaker 10>I have access the lifetime. So he was claimed in

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<v Speaker 10>April twenty twenty two, eighteen loan. So he won a

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<v Speaker 10>couple of races before that, three races he had won,

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<v Speaker 10>and he'd won one by almost twelve lengths. He was

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<v Speaker 10>well regarded and Collns claimed him for sixty two thousand times.

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<v Speaker 10>It was the only time he was ever in for

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<v Speaker 10>a claim and then he put him back in a

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<v Speaker 10>turf race because he'd been running on dirt and turf

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01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:11.199
<v Speaker 10>and about mile mile to an eighth and he won.

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<v Speaker 10>And then three races later, late in September of twenty

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01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:18.359
<v Speaker 10>twenty two, they put him in a race in Delaware.

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<v Speaker 10>It's a mile and a half race as scheduled for

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<v Speaker 10>grass because again he'd run really well on the grass,

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01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:25.760
<v Speaker 10>and the race was taken off the grass, and they

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<v Speaker 10>left him in the race because of weather, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>And he won by eighteen lengths. And then all of

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<v Speaker 10>a sudden they said, well, this is what he likes

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<v Speaker 10>to do, and he has won. He had one third place,

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<v Speaker 10>finished two after that actually at a Derby Day or

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<v Speaker 10>devery week on in twenty twenty three. But after that

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<v Speaker 10>he's won seven in a row and he's won by

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<v Speaker 10>a combined ninety lengths.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 10>And people will say, you know, what is he beaten?

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<v Speaker 10>Et cetera, because these are all they're good races, but

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<v Speaker 10>they're all not ninety dollaries. But the fact that is,

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01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:02.359
<v Speaker 10>it doesn't really matter what he's beaten. He's one from

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<v Speaker 10>distances from milen three eights to mile and three quarters

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<v Speaker 10>and he just runs near the lead, doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 10>have the lead, and very very sustained. One of the

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<v Speaker 10>things that's very cool. I think you and I may

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<v Speaker 10>have talked about is the GPS data which is now

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01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:23.159
<v Speaker 10>available horse racing through partners. And he doesn't slow down

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<v Speaker 10>in the last five eighths of a mile. In his

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<v Speaker 10>last race, for example, next ran thirty seven miles an

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<v Speaker 10>hour and did not slow down the last quarter, which

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01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:34.560
<v Speaker 10>a lot of horses do. He just runs the same speed,

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01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:37.640
<v Speaker 10>and that's the kind of horse you wont he's cutting

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<v Speaker 10>back again from mile and three's to a mile and

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<v Speaker 10>a quarter, so it's a quarter mile less. But he

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<v Speaker 10>seems like the kind of horse that just doesn't matter.

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01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:48.239
<v Speaker 10>He'll be in a position and he just runs the

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<v Speaker 10>same race. He doesn't get tired, and he can run

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<v Speaker 10>all day. Whether he can run to this level and

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01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:56.239
<v Speaker 10>grade one with these horses, I don't know. But he's very,

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<v Speaker 10>very interesting because you never knock an undefeated horse defeated

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<v Speaker 10>in his last seven So he's really the horse I'm

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<v Speaker 10>really interested in. And he offers value at eight to one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he's on the outside. He's in a fourteen hole,

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01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:11.800
<v Speaker 1>but again that's not like being on the outside with

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<v Speaker 1>a derby. And are you am I'm Prob'm sure I've

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<v Speaker 1>asked you this to the yours. Are you much of

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<v Speaker 1>a post position guy?

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<v Speaker 10>A lot depends on the horse's running style and the

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<v Speaker 10>distance of course. So you know, a mile and a

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<v Speaker 10>quarter they've got a little more than a quarter mile

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<v Speaker 10>to get to the first turn, right, So a horse

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<v Speaker 10>like this can can drop over and be maybe two

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<v Speaker 10>or three wide at the most going into the first turn.

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<v Speaker 10>But I do will say overall, yeah, I mean, if

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<v Speaker 10>a horse has got a lot of herby speed and

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<v Speaker 10>a two turn race and he's on the outside, he's

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<v Speaker 10>got to use a lot of that speed. Or if

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<v Speaker 10>they're on the rail, I mean a short race, they've

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01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:49.600
<v Speaker 10>got to use a lot of that speed, so horses

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<v Speaker 10>don't cover him up. So's it's kind of positional and

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<v Speaker 10>also based on style. In this case, the post positions

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01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:57.880
<v Speaker 10>doesn't matter a whole lok, because he gets himself in

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<v Speaker 10>a good spot every single time. Very interesting, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>In a race like this, he's gonna have a top

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<v Speaker 1>notch rider. I'm not worried. The only time I worry

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<v Speaker 1>about post visition is really the derby when you're on

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01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:15.439
<v Speaker 1>the rail or the two hole, because you're just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get crushed going to the first term. But that's why

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<v Speaker 1>jockeys make a lot of money. We're talking with Lstar

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<v Speaker 1>uber Kapper. We're talking of course about the Breeders Cup,

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01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:25.600
<v Speaker 1>and we'll come back with a few more questions for

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<v Speaker 1>Elis on the other side of the break here on

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<v Speaker 1>six thirty WLAP Welcome back. We're talking with Lstar uber

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<v Speaker 1>Capper and of course the Breeders Cup is coming up

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01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:37.880
<v Speaker 1>at del Mar this weekend. Ellis is a public handicapper,

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01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:41.600
<v Speaker 1>a blogger, a speaker. You define yourself as well or

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01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:45.640
<v Speaker 1>describe yourself as a fan educator. That's got to be

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01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:47.800
<v Speaker 1>a fun part of your job. I would think sharing.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, no, there's nothing more fun than Keeenland specifically and

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01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:54.920
<v Speaker 10>also Derby Week, but Kulin more often where I can

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01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:57.600
<v Speaker 10>get into some of the suites or the dining rooms

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01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.880
<v Speaker 10>or meet people by the cloth. A lot groups reach

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01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:04.159
<v Speaker 10>out to be in Kum's and extremely supportive of people

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01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:06.319
<v Speaker 10>coming in and question them all over the country, some

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01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:07.720
<v Speaker 10>of them never been in the race before and never

1360
01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:11.000
<v Speaker 10>been to Kimum and just chat with them about today's races,

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01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:13.840
<v Speaker 10>about picking their own horses using the program, getting a

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01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:17.840
<v Speaker 10>quick handicapping lesson, and also you know how to bet

1363
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:20.199
<v Speaker 10>and how it works, so they understand how to have

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01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:22.319
<v Speaker 10>a better day of the races. It's a kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I so love the Breeders Cup as much as anything,

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01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:28.520
<v Speaker 1>just because of some of the great races I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>through the years. The uh nineteen eighty eight well, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going back, I know, but Sunday Silence was one

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01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:40.560
<v Speaker 1>of my all time favorite Derby winners and an easy goer.

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01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what great rivals. And they hooked up again

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01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:47.399
<v Speaker 1>in the Breeders' Cup Classic. But I think ellis personal

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01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:51.000
<v Speaker 1>ensigns winning the Distaff in nineteen eighty and again coincidentally

1373
01:12:51.079 --> 01:12:54.720
<v Speaker 1>the same year, But that was such an incredible race

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01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:57.880
<v Speaker 1>because winning Colors goes out as she did in the

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01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Derby and tries to wire the field. That was her

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01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:04.000
<v Speaker 1>running style, and that's the way Lucas liked it. Personal

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01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Linsign was undefeated and this was going to be her

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01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:09.239
<v Speaker 1>last race. Everybody knew it, and overcame her at the

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01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:12.880
<v Speaker 1>wire by a nose. I mean, I was screaming at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of that race. That's what the Breeders Cup

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<v Speaker 1>can bring out of this kind of competition, right.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh, absolutely, And even though we did lose one of

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01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:24.520
<v Speaker 10>the best contenders in the female division. But this depth

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01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:28.000
<v Speaker 10>version of Idiomatic, who's now been retired to breathing shit

1385
01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:31.000
<v Speaker 10>because she has my injury. We still have Torpedo Anna,

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01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:34.319
<v Speaker 10>who was the you know who won the Kentucky Oaks,

1387
01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:37.439
<v Speaker 10>took on the boys, lost by a nose to fierceness

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01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:40.399
<v Speaker 10>or a head in the travers and now is back

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<v Speaker 10>against the Phillies and Mayors and in the Distaff. And

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<v Speaker 10>that's going to be exciting, even if there's no competition,

1391
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:50.520
<v Speaker 10>which there might be, But even if there's not competition,

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01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:53.840
<v Speaker 10>I'm seeing a really good, good Philly the top of

1393
01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:57.840
<v Speaker 10>her game in that in that in that race before

1394
01:13:57.920 --> 01:13:59.920
<v Speaker 10>we moved to something else, and what else you're playing,

1395
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:02.159
<v Speaker 10>but I want him to give one long shot out

1396
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:06.039
<v Speaker 10>in the classics, please. So there's an interesting horse here,

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01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:08.319
<v Speaker 10>and those in you particularly will remember and those that

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01:14:08.479 --> 01:14:13.079
<v Speaker 10>follow racing. Last last twenty twenty three run to the Derby,

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<v Speaker 10>a horse won the blue Grass Stakes by the name

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<v Speaker 10>of Tapa Trice right, and he had won the Tampa

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01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:22.199
<v Speaker 10>Bay Derby and he was a favorite of the Bluegrass.

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01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:25.119
<v Speaker 10>He won by a next very exciting finish, and then

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01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:28.079
<v Speaker 10>he finished seventh in the Derby and he's actually after

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01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:32.239
<v Speaker 10>the blue Grass Stakes. He lost four races in a row,

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01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:36.159
<v Speaker 10>and then Todd Fletcher, one of the best trainers of

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01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:39.800
<v Speaker 10>North America, decided, for whatever reason, maybe he was injured,

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01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:41.880
<v Speaker 10>don't know, to give him time off. And he was

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<v Speaker 10>awesome last August to twenty twenty three until July this year,

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01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:48.600
<v Speaker 10>so eleven months and he comes back. The first time

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<v Speaker 10>he's facing older horses, and I'm guessing Todd's always been

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01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:56.399
<v Speaker 10>high on the horse that he Hod Fletcher wants to

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01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:58.760
<v Speaker 10>run him in the Classic, so he's plentying a method

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01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:00.720
<v Speaker 10>to do that, but avoiding some of the the fay horses.

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<v Speaker 10>So he runs him in a race in New Jersey

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<v Speaker 10>and Momus called the Mamoth Company, wins by five lengths.

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<v Speaker 10>He really gets his head in the game, you know,

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01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:10.880
<v Speaker 10>gets the horse excited. And then he runs him a

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<v Speaker 10>mile on a court in a Jock Club Gold Cup,

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01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:14.800
<v Speaker 10>which a couple of these are coming out of and

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<v Speaker 10>the only manages fourth. So then he try to figure

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<v Speaker 10>out how to get him to this race. He runs

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<v Speaker 10>him in a race called the Woodwork, which is a

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<v Speaker 10>really important race in New York on September twenty eighth.

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<v Speaker 10>He wins a race by three quarters of a length,

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<v Speaker 10>and now he's improving again. He's a very interesting horse.

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<v Speaker 10>He's six for twelve, he's won a million, seven hundred

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<v Speaker 10>thousand dollars. He's got again the top one of the

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<v Speaker 10>top three trainers in the country year after year in

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<v Speaker 10>top pletcher, one of the top three jockeys in the country,

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<v Speaker 10>and I read OT's junior year after year, and he's

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<v Speaker 10>going to be thirty one in the morning line. He's

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<v Speaker 10>going to be twenty to one at post time, even

1433
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<v Speaker 10>though his his odds and his last three races have

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<v Speaker 10>all been two to one. So if anybody's looking for

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<v Speaker 10>some value for a horse, definitely to make a win

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<v Speaker 10>ben On winplay show whatever you want, throw him an

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<v Speaker 10>exotics tap a price I think isn't to surprise a

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<v Speaker 10>bunch of people because similar. First of all, you've got

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<v Speaker 10>the breathing from mile on a quarter, even though he's

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<v Speaker 10>only got one third place finish in three tries. But

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<v Speaker 10>he's by sire tapping out of a Dunkirk Mayor, which

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<v Speaker 10>is a lot of a lot of stamina. He has

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<v Speaker 10>the same almost same style as Next. I was talking

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<v Speaker 10>earlier about the miles per hour and Next runs thirty

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<v Speaker 10>seven to thirty eight. Well, Tepa Trice runs thirty five

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<v Speaker 10>and thirty six and doesn't flow down. And his stride

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<v Speaker 10>something else that we now are able to measure, which

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<v Speaker 10>is really cool. He runs actually a bigger stride than next.

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<v Speaker 10>His stride was twenty five and a half feet every

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<v Speaker 10>stride for the last last half mile in the woodwards

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<v Speaker 10>and so again a horse. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 10>ever said this before, but I'm sure you've seen a

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<v Speaker 10>lot of horses coming from way way back you to

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<v Speaker 10>win a race. Well, it's actually an optical illusion in

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<v Speaker 10>case you don't know that, because the horses are all

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<v Speaker 10>slowing down. Outside grasp it's an optical illusion because all

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<v Speaker 10>they're doing is the horses are coming from last to win,

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<v Speaker 10>are just slowing down less than the rest. Or they're

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<v Speaker 10>running the same speed, right, the other ones are backing

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<v Speaker 10>up into them. So Tapatrice is the horse that can

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<v Speaker 10>do that. He might be the worst that looks like

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<v Speaker 10>he's really, you know, coming from last to win. Reality,

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<v Speaker 10>he's just not slowing down and the other horses are

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<v Speaker 10>backing up. I consider that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Have bet a lot of horses that have backed up.

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<v Speaker 1>I only have a couple of minutes left. But I

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<v Speaker 1>do have to ask you about the juvenile because it

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<v Speaker 1>always produces, it seems, you know, the horse everybody likes

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<v Speaker 1>for the Derby the following year. But is East Avenue

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<v Speaker 1>the way to go there? I mean, a son of

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<v Speaker 1>of a speed horse Medaia Doro and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>breeders' futurity.

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<v Speaker 10>He's a really good horse, and I like the fact

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<v Speaker 10>he gets the ground saving rail. But there's two others

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<v Speaker 10>that are just as good, and it's really gonna be

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<v Speaker 10>a fantastic race if it turns out that way. Johnson's Way,

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<v Speaker 10>who won the Iroquois at Churchill Downs even though it

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<v Speaker 10>was a one turn mile, a son of news sire

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<v Speaker 10>of a Coma. I'm really impressed by this horse because

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01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:00.439
<v Speaker 10>his debut he got pinched back to last and he

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<v Speaker 10>came running and killed him and then he won the

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<v Speaker 10>stakes race. So I like Johnathan's Way. I like also

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<v Speaker 10>Chancellor mkpatrick, who comes out of the Champagne Stakes. You

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<v Speaker 10>get three winners of the grade of the really important

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<v Speaker 10>stakes preps coming into the race in East Avenue, Johnson's

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<v Speaker 10>Way and Chancellor mcpatrick. East Avenue will have to probably

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<v Speaker 10>rate or come from just off the pace, even though

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<v Speaker 10>he's won both of his races. We can start to

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<v Speaker 10>finish because Bob Baffort has three in the race, and

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<v Speaker 10>I guarantee once we call a rabbit, probably get away

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<v Speaker 10>Car which is basically the horse that's going to set

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<v Speaker 10>the pace Toitizen Bull and get Away Car for Baffort.

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<v Speaker 10>Both are horses that need the lead to win, that

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<v Speaker 10>can't win without the lead. So East Avenue is going

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<v Speaker 10>to have to relax. He's not as fast early as

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<v Speaker 10>those two.

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<v Speaker 1>So much information, but I'll tell you Ellis Star it

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<v Speaker 1>can help you out, and I urge you to take

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<v Speaker 1>his advice. I have made money with Ellis. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much. Equabase dot com is where to go to

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<v Speaker 1>find out about the Breeders' Cup. Llis. Hope you have

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<v Speaker 1>a great weekend, my friend. Thank you, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 10>Thanks Dick and everybody. Enjoy the weather and enjoy the

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01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:06.000
<v Speaker 10>great racing seeking at del one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not kidding. Ellis always has a pick of the

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<v Speaker 1>day out there, and I have made money several times

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<v Speaker 1>with Ellis. I don't know how he does it, but

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<v Speaker 1>he finds these races and he's able to give you

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01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:21.199
<v Speaker 1>a tip or two. They're always worth a couple of bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's going to do it thanks to my guest cam Drummond,

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<v Speaker 1>Elis Starr and David Sister that said good night from

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<v Speaker 1>the garage in Lexington.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you understand the words that are coming out of

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<v Speaker 5>my mouth? Nay
