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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what's up all you wonderfully wicked people. I'm Ben

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole, and I'm very sick and you're listening to Wicked Ingram.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast. Warning. The following podcast content and

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<v Speaker 1>material intended more mature audience listener discretion. Yeah, well, funny story.

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<v Speaker 1>You kind of jinxed us Nicole with the sick thing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all my fault.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally, just the other day, Nicole's like, Hey, Ben, what

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<v Speaker 1>happens if one of us ends up getting sick? Because well,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly this is a podcast, it's predominantly voice dependent, and

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<v Speaker 1>here you are with damn near no voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's not that bad, but you guys

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<v Speaker 2>will definitely notice a difference. And I might not, like,

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<v Speaker 2>be quite as chatty because I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you gotta it. You gotta kind of keep that

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<v Speaker 1>voice healthy. So I might be doing some heavy lifting

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<v Speaker 1>today as far as the talking goes, which I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>To try and do feel lots of times the case anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>but my voice, sorry, rasp, is it sexy?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you could definitely be on one of those

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<v Speaker 1>like phone sex hotlines. Oh this is Nicole.

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<v Speaker 2>How can I help you tonight?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you wearing you should do it? Maybe make

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<v Speaker 1>some money that way. We got the audio equipment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then I tell them to hang on for

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes because I'm coughing up along.

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<v Speaker 1>True true, So yeah, there might be some coughing fits.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try and cut out as many as

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<v Speaker 1>I can. But I also have to go to work

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<v Speaker 1>in like an hour and a half, so we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>how much editing I can actually do in that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do have like a ginger lemon tea, so

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's gonna help me.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so will be okay. I think you can

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<v Speaker 1>power through it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're a pretty wicked person.

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<v Speaker 2>So no grim just wicked, just wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a wicked person with a grim illness in your

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<v Speaker 1>throat or COVID by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know we probably should say that it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like a typical cold that I get every year. But

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<v Speaker 2>I did that guard down because I feel like no

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<v Speaker 2>one really gets this these colds because they're wearing masks

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<v Speaker 2>and using hands, sanny. But I'm like double vaccinated. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was like let my guard down and then instantly, boom, sick.

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<v Speaker 2>You're sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to sick Cities.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I'm going back to wearing my mask and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, don't touch me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fair enough. Okay, well let's dive into this right away.

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<v Speaker 1>You can sit back, drink on your lemon ginger tea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, entertain me.

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<v Speaker 1>I will entertain you. I'll do my best. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever heard of the name Amy Carlson?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I can't say I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever heard of the religious group Love Has Won?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, Well, this religious group is essentially they don't claim

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<v Speaker 1>to be, but it's it's basically a cult. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to dive into the cult Love Has Won and

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<v Speaker 1>how Amy became the founding leader and what she claims god.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds awesome. Cults are kind of like intriguing.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. See, I really like those mystery sort of things.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is also like one of those anything that

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<v Speaker 1>gets you thinking and you can like try and understand

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<v Speaker 1>psychology or mysteries or gets your thought process going. This

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<v Speaker 1>is very thought provoking, So I like this one specifically

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<v Speaker 1>for that. And this is an ongoing case as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's almost completely resolved almost However, things like without

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<v Speaker 1>giving away too much there's some sentencing. I guess that's

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<v Speaker 1>still up for debates.

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<v Speaker 2>Such so, so should those names have ring a belt?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it something that's like in the news and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been very prominent this spring when it came came

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<v Speaker 1>to light more so. Okay, Amy has also appeared on

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Phil. There's an entire episode of Doctor Phil. I

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<v Speaker 1>watched the whole thing. It's very interesting. Of course, that's

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<v Speaker 1>down the description. You can check out the link on

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<v Speaker 1>there on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, I can't say I really watched Doctor Phil.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, watch this episode. I tried to not, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just copy all the answers and quotes right from Doctor Phil.

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<v Speaker 1>So I left some explanation stuff to that episode. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you go watch it, you'll you'll hear some different

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<v Speaker 1>perspectives and stuff than we talk about today. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>definitely going to cover similar things. Cool, Okay, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>dive into this. The story of Amy Carlson in the

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<v Speaker 1>religious movement that became known as Love Has Won It.

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<v Speaker 1>First off, takes place in Creston, Colorado, where their Love

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<v Speaker 1>Has One begins. Now Creston itself actually has a population.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty small of around like one hundred people. The

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<v Speaker 1>last population count I saw was in twenty nineteen of

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<v Speaker 1>like eighty six people. So it's that's super small, super

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<v Speaker 1>small town. It's kind of like our Hickson just south

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<v Speaker 1>of us sort of thing. But I mean, there's of

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<v Speaker 1>course other cities and towns around it, right, but the

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<v Speaker 1>area around Creston has a tendency to attract a fairly

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<v Speaker 1>decent flow of tourists despite it being fairly small, because

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<v Speaker 1>Creston is situated just kind of between kind of above

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<v Speaker 1>to very specific well known locations, one the San Louis

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<v Speaker 1>Valley and two the Great sand Dunes National Park in Colorado. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So the sand Dunes first off, are like super crazy

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<v Speaker 1>because it's literally like giant sand dunes that just pop

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<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere in the middle of the state of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>At the base of the dunes, there's this seasonal creek

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<v Speaker 1>that flows and it creates like these cool little beaches

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<v Speaker 1>along the along the dunes. So you basically have these

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<v Speaker 1>like cool desert sand dunes with beaches at the bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that sounds really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>And then among them, like in behind, there's mountains, there's trails,

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<v Speaker 1>there's views. It's like a crazy place. It's somewhere that

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<v Speaker 1>like shouldn't exist. It doesn't make sense why there's a

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<v Speaker 1>sand dunes there.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds really cool though.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the San Luis Valley, also referred to as

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<v Speaker 1>Mystic San Luis Valley, is a place that's well known

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<v Speaker 1>for its spiritual connections. Some believe there are energy vortexes

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the whole area which can bring people closer to

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<v Speaker 1>earth each other. You know, there's various claims in these

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual connections and that sort of thing. You can really

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<v Speaker 1>dive deep into a rabbit hole going through that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of theory type thing. So, which is where I start

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<v Speaker 1>to get my rocksuff sort of thing because I get

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<v Speaker 1>to ask questions and learn these sort of things. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't cover that too much. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>leave that for you guys to research if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>But the valley is also a hot spot for UFO sightings.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, Okay, this sounds like kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>sweet place.

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<v Speaker 1>There's lots going on here. Yeah, it's one of actually

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<v Speaker 1>the top places in the USA to witness such activity. Wow. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have spiritual connections, UFOs and like landmarks that

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<v Speaker 1>just don't make sense that they're there. So this all

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<v Speaker 1>combined has people really believing that this is a very

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<v Speaker 1>very special place with connections to Earth or the universe

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, yeah, that's kind of the area. But before

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<v Speaker 1>Amy was actually drawn to the location of Creston, Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>she led quite a normal life as a younger child,

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<v Speaker 1>and she grew up in Dallas, Texas, within a good home,

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<v Speaker 1>and she did very well in school. She was described

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<v Speaker 1>to her by her sister as very sweet. She had

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<v Speaker 1>apparently a very nice singing voice, you got really good grades,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff. But as she grew up, clearly

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<v Speaker 1>she began to have some sort of life struggles, as

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<v Speaker 1>she had been married three times by her early twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, Yeah that's a little abnormal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not there's anything wrong with being married three times,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, that a young.

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<v Speaker 1>Age, right, it's definitely not typical. Usually people are if

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting married at a younger age, they're usually experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>their first marriage by the early twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so maybe she was just quick to get married.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe just boyfriend girlfriend for a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe jump on the gun. Maybe searching for something.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, that's up for debate. That's who knows, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she also grew into becoming a mother. She had three

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<v Speaker 1>kids with three different partners. I couldn't find if it

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<v Speaker 1>was with each husband specifically, but she had three different

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<v Speaker 1>kids with three different partners and three different marriages. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to assume it's one with each. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that's my assumption, but I couldn't find the facts on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Anytime you look up Amy Carlson or Love has Won,

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<v Speaker 1>immediately you find article after article after article on kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the resolution of this story. So it's really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to find a lot prior to Oh. Okay, so regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of that, she'd grew into becoming a mother, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure wasn't really a lifestyle that fit her so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe just the increasing stress and pressure. Her mom actually

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<v Speaker 1>described her on the Doctor Phil episode specifically, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>complete quote from her that she's not a very maternal mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so she didn't really have a good connection with

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<v Speaker 1>her kids. She wasn't really playing that role, wasn't doing

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<v Speaker 1>her thing. Kind kind of distant, I think is the

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<v Speaker 1>best way to describe it. Interesting, and like you were

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<v Speaker 1>really close with your mom, and I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty important connection for a lot of people if it's available,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think like it's more normal to be to

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<v Speaker 2>probably be a mother with a maternal instinct or connection

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever than not right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not going to tell people how they should

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<v Speaker 1>raise their kids, but if you can be there for

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<v Speaker 1>your kid, I mean, that's going to give you some

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<v Speaker 1>awesome person points, especially if you're going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual person. Maybe karma's going to be on your end. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, don't be a dick.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have also heard sometimes it doesn't come naturally,

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<v Speaker 2>that it's something that you like kind of learn as

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<v Speaker 2>you're like bringing up the child.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, which kind of sucks because you hear so many

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<v Speaker 1>people saying, oh, the moment you hold your kids in

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<v Speaker 1>your arms, like when you first get birth, it just

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<v Speaker 1>all makes sense. It's also magical people. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure there are those magical and beautiful moments, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>now just got this life to look after. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure there's a lot of fiction surrounding how beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be. Yeah, there's a lot of struggles.

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<v Speaker 2>There could probably be a whole lot of mostly a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of holy shit. Moments.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So especially for someone going through three marriages, with

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<v Speaker 1>three kids, with three separate fathers, and being kind of young,

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<v Speaker 1>and being kind of young, there is a lot of stress.

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<v Speaker 1>There's gonna be a lot of holy shit, there's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot of soul searching, trying to find yourself

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<v Speaker 1>where you should be, what you should be doing. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fucking pressure to put on a.

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<v Speaker 2>Person, totally actually, So now I feel bad for her.

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<v Speaker 1>She definitely went through some shit as far as that

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<v Speaker 1>About people cutting me off on the highway because of

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<v Speaker 2>Little are things. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, as it would turn out, though Amy had turned

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<v Speaker 1>many of us, though, she found an escape online. It

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<v Speaker 1>So Amy claims she was called upon around this time

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<v Speaker 1>They told her she must leave her life. She must

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<v Speaker 1>leave her life as a mother of three, oh boy,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but that doesn't sound quite right, But okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. She left without a goodbye to her kids,

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<v Speaker 1>Yis say anything to her current husband, Oh okay, She

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<v Speaker 1>So together the two took the rather minuscule group known

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<v Speaker 1>the group known as Love Has Won, and Amy Carlson

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<v Speaker 1>founder of Love has Won. We're going to dive into

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a dope title, though, we'll give it that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give it that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Mother God, father God like y and Love has Won. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly though, like the followings, the Disciples, whatever you want

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<v Speaker 1>to say within Love has Won. The group, the community,

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<v Speaker 1>the cult would refer to them as mom or father

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<v Speaker 1>like those sort of things. They wouldn't say mother, God.

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<v Speaker 1>They would refer to him just strictly as like mom

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<v Speaker 2>Okip, it isn't that slightly ironic being that she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. I decided to say something about that, if I

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<v Speaker 2>recall correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Phil kind of goes over that a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>on his episode. He questions her on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, now Amy was playing the founding leader and

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<v Speaker 1>everything the role of Love has Won. They began posting

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube daily with live streams some videos, and they

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<v Speaker 1>would spread their their New Age beliefs and they would

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<v Speaker 1>cast doubt on like established science and mainstream spirituality, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of preaching their own ways as being the correct way

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else is wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The videos actually became became to get great traction on

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet within the spiritual community, and it began to spread,

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<v Speaker 1>not like wildfire, but it began to spread pretty pretty decent.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they were getting quite a bit of views, quite

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of people turning their attention to them within

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<v Speaker 1>the community, and many people around the world actually belie

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<v Speaker 1>that Amy was Mother of all creation and then that

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<v Speaker 1>she was God.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, for someone who needed to do soul searching herself,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like, I don't know, this is his all. My

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<v Speaker 1>It's such an interesting situation because she goes from such

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<v Speaker 1>stress and pressure of life on her. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that she turns the tables and she's putting her

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<v Speaker 1>life was telling her this is what you need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta take care of your kids, you gotta have

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<v Speaker 1>the job, you gotta maybe not have three divorces or

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<v Speaker 1>three marriages. By the time in your early twenties, and

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<v Speaker 1>she turns around and saying, this is how you have

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<v Speaker 1>to live life. You have to love, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>do what I say. I am God, listen to me.

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<v Speaker 2>M hm.

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<v Speaker 1>So it became this, rather than everyone's telling her what

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<v Speaker 1>to do, she's telling what everyone needs to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, wild, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and her followers claimed this is where stuff really

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<v Speaker 1>gets weird. We're getting into her godlike divinity.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, I want to hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>She claimed that she had experienced a total of five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty four reincarnations, which she has full recollection

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<v Speaker 1>of each one, and that she has been alive for

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen billion years.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Among the people she claims to have lived in past

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<v Speaker 1>lives and being reincarnated as she claims she was previously

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<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Monroe, Oh wow, Joan of Arc, Cleopatra, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course Jesus Holy. She remembers every moment very vividly of

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<v Speaker 1>being crucified on the cross.

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<v Speaker 2>Even how did she just like all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>remember all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>She's mother God, she just always has been. The angels

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<v Speaker 1>called upon her and I've.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it's interesting. Like the figures she is saying

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<v Speaker 2>that she was too like very powerful. Yeah, like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think one person would be all those things at

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the thing. She's casting herself as God and

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<v Speaker 1>she's reincarnating herself as these people. Yeah, so it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to reincarn myself or reincarnate myself as a

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<v Speaker 1>new individual, and I'm going to be powerful. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a previously decided thing almost, like what she's portraying.

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<v Speaker 1>She also claimed this one really gets to me because

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<v Speaker 1>I have a soft spot for this individual. So it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't fuck with this person. I'll I'll come cut you.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is it?

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<v Speaker 1>She claims that as soon as Robin Williams passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>his spirit immediately came to her and frequently talks to

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<v Speaker 1>her and acts as a guide.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you do love Robin Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>I fucking love that man.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I think a lot of people do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It was unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's the claims are outlandish. It's like what the fuck, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you just claim of all people like you

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<v Speaker 1>just oh yeah, Robin Williams as a guide for me,

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<v Speaker 1>but yet you're God.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because she has the power to be to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>so she's just like doing that, like having fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, And she's getting all these followers around her

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<v Speaker 1>from her live streams daily on YouTube, from people who

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<v Speaker 1>are joining her. I want to avoid calling it a

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<v Speaker 1>cult throughout this episode as much as second, although I

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<v Speaker 1>strictly believe it's a cult, but I just don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to give it the the credibility of them

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<v Speaker 1>having a group, because they're I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want you guys to immediately think that this is a cult.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to make your own decision. So I

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<v Speaker 1>want to try and call it that group. So all

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<v Speaker 1>these people within the group just giving her the satisfaction,

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<v Speaker 1>doing her every demand, saying she is God and what

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<v Speaker 1>she says goes no matter what.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So she says, Robin Williams there, Oh, Robin Williams is there.

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<v Speaker 1>She can make those claims.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only does she claim to be divine in

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<v Speaker 1>age and experience, she also claims to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>spiritually heal people, including severe diseases such as cancers. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>of which she spiritually healed over one hundred thousand people.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, I want some evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there is no evidence oh okay spoiler alert, dang

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<v Speaker 1>a claim of an ability that our followers fully support.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Phil actually breaks down the numbers on his episode too.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, Okay, if you've healed x amount of people

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<v Speaker 1>since you've started this, like one hundred thousand since two

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<v Speaker 1>almost two hunred people a day.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's like, yep, how does she have the time

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<v Speaker 2>to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>Or she just sitting on the couch and like manifesting

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<v Speaker 2>it up somewhere? Does she have to visit? Oh am

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<v Speaker 2>I jumping.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of not really, I'll just say it here instead.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens is there's there's some people who joined the

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<v Speaker 1>claim that she doesn't actually heal all herself. That what

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<v Speaker 1>happens is that you'll get a phone call from someone

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<v Speaker 1>a script give him by Mother God, who will heal you?

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<v Speaker 2>What? Okay? Then okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Then yeah, this is a really hard story to tell

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot of jumping back and forth, so

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<v Speaker 1>with me here we got some more information. We'll touch

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<v Speaker 1>on with that in a minute. So Love has won

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<v Speaker 1>and his followers continue to grow, and its disciples never

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<v Speaker 1>really seem to have a fixed set of beliefs specifically. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they practiced and preached a fluid ideology of New Age physiology,

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories, spiritual and Messiah worship. The Messiah of course

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<v Speaker 1>being Amy, Mother of God or Mother God or whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they basically just Amy said stuff, and they're just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that they just made it up as they went is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>Kay, did she almost have more power than Father God then?

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<v Speaker 2>Or you're just kind of chatting mode her more?

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<v Speaker 1>And he went through multiple father gods? Actually really yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so the.

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<v Speaker 1>Father God that she joined with he ended up leaving

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<v Speaker 1>or she kicked him out. I couldn't find exactly that.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a couple names that popped up of people

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<v Speaker 1>who were father Gods, but I couldn't find information on

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<v Speaker 1>how they left or what. But yeah, she went through

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<v Speaker 1>multiple father Gods and she was just Mother God the

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<v Speaker 2>I literally can't stop thinking about how cool would actually

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<v Speaker 2>be though, to be able to cure cancer like that

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<v Speaker 2>if it was possible if it was possible. Yeah, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that sense of stuff there, you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck with that because I mean someone could literally be

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<v Speaker 1>going to be healed. They have stage four fucking cancer

429
00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:49.640
<v Speaker 1>or something, and they're like, oh, she's gonna save me.

430
00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:52.000
<v Speaker 1>They put all their faith in you, and she's just

431
00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:53.720
<v Speaker 1>like you get a phone call from fucking.

432
00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Steve who read some script.

433
00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you're like, Okay, I'm healed now, and you're

434
00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.640
<v Speaker 1>families like, what the fuck you should be doing chemo? No,

435
00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:05.880
<v Speaker 1>mother's got me. Yeah, what the fuck you're You're fucking

436
00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:06.960
<v Speaker 1>with people's lives.

437
00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Here, you are.

438
00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's no longer just a power trip. It's

439
00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:15.039
<v Speaker 1>it's getting into other people. It Yeah, it's crazy. So

440
00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:18.039
<v Speaker 1>the group continued gaining such support that they moved through

441
00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:23.039
<v Speaker 1>a few places including Colorado, Oregon, California, Florida, and at

442
00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:25.599
<v Speaker 1>one point even for a short period of time Hawaii.

443
00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:28.759
<v Speaker 1>They continue to spread the word of their group and

444
00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.359
<v Speaker 1>try to stay in appealing locations, you know, painting the

445
00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:36.759
<v Speaker 1>picture of beautiful oasis filled with love, spirituality, and members

446
00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:40.400
<v Speaker 1>literally began to drop their lives to go be with

447
00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Amy and love has won and experienced Mother God. They

448
00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:48.680
<v Speaker 1>would donate money. There's claims of hundreds of thousands of

449
00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:50.200
<v Speaker 1>dollars being in their bank accounts.

450
00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

451
00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:53.920
<v Speaker 1>They would get donations from live streams, they would get

452
00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:57.200
<v Speaker 1>merch that they would sell on their website and such.

453
00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.000
<v Speaker 1>It's just it seems like a giant scam.

454
00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:02.440
<v Speaker 2>People just trying to search for a better life because

455
00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:03.519
<v Speaker 2>they're not happy with their own.

456
00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they're taking advantage of that, fully, taking advantage

457
00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of that. So through their community, however, members were put

458
00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.400
<v Speaker 1>through trials. When you get there, it's not this oasis

459
00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>that you're painted pictures with. They're put to work, doing

460
00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.359
<v Speaker 1>labor for long days on the current whatever current property.

461
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:23.920
<v Speaker 1>They were staying really with little or no breaks.

462
00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:25.839
<v Speaker 2>Holy, I don't know why that surprises me.

463
00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:30.119
<v Speaker 1>The claim was every moment you spent resting is spiritual

464
00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.559
<v Speaker 1>energy you are taking from Mother God, and that causes

465
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:34.039
<v Speaker 1>her pain.

466
00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's so bullshit.

467
00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:39.680
<v Speaker 1>That is so bullshit. After all, she is God and

468
00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:43.839
<v Speaker 1>she is forced to live in this fleshy human vessel.

469
00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.519
<v Speaker 2>And she's just not freaking resting all day. Probably, well,

470
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:49.720
<v Speaker 2>everyone's doing work.

471
00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Most definitely, we'll get into that in a second year though,

472
00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:56.440
<v Speaker 1>So if you were caught ever sitting down resting at all,

473
00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:58.839
<v Speaker 1>you were immediately harassed by the people around you, like

474
00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:01.720
<v Speaker 1>you're stealing in her loud God sort of thing. And

475
00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:06.759
<v Speaker 1>you're not a true believer, like you are harassed by

476
00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:09.599
<v Speaker 1>your peers that you don't truly belong here.

477
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:11.400
<v Speaker 2>So this just sounds so awful.

478
00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:14.480
<v Speaker 1>It's brutal. You're trying to devote yourself to something you

479
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:17.759
<v Speaker 1>believe in and you're getting harassed to give more and

480
00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:22.359
<v Speaker 1>more and more consistently. It's fucked up. Yeah, they use

481
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:25.319
<v Speaker 1>serious metal games here, like serious metal games, Like I said, like,

482
00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:28.519
<v Speaker 1>it's you're being harassed consistently. They're trying to prove that,

483
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Like what you're doing is just wrong. So you keep going,

484
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:37.240
<v Speaker 1>keep working. You're working to exhaustion, but you don't get

485
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to sleep. Really, imagine you're working tirelessly, giving yourself all

486
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:46.480
<v Speaker 1>this devoted energy. You're exhausted, you're physically tired. You're gonna

487
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:50.279
<v Speaker 1>want to sleep right well, Typically you're made to stay

488
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:54.599
<v Speaker 1>up till like midnight or later, working doing whatever bidding

489
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>it might be. But no matter how late you stay up,

490
00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:01.319
<v Speaker 1>you will at five am.

491
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:02.839
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, seriously.

492
00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:06.079
<v Speaker 1>So you might only get three four hours sleep, but

493
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:07.599
<v Speaker 1>you get up at five am and you do it

494
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:10.680
<v Speaker 1>all over again, and if you don't, more harassment.

495
00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:13.559
<v Speaker 2>These people must be like so exhausted.

496
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:16.599
<v Speaker 1>So exhausted. They're using sleep deprivation, they're using mental games,

497
00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:21.279
<v Speaker 1>they're using physical exhaustion. It's brutal. So now, like you said,

498
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Amy's most likely kicking it back and a couch some

499
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.680
<v Speaker 1>of her all while this is happening, Amy is nowhere

500
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.240
<v Speaker 1>in sight. She sits in her room, away from all

501
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.039
<v Speaker 1>the work. And when you arrive, because people are want

502
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:35.240
<v Speaker 1>to expecting and wanting to see Mother God or yeah, right,

503
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:37.680
<v Speaker 1>of course, it takes you weeks before you ever actually

504
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>get to see her because you have to prove yourself,

505
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 1>prove your worthy sort of thing.

506
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:43.599
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

507
00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:46.000
<v Speaker 1>So when people did finally get to see Amy, she

508
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Speaker 1>was in a room, she was with her chosen few

509
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>disciples around her, which I read contradicting numbers somewhere anywhere

510
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:57.079
<v Speaker 1>between like seven to twenty different people who are a

511
00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:01.160
<v Speaker 1>little close knit group with her. Okay, when you see her,

512
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:06.160
<v Speaker 1>she's this frail, skinny little woman. She said that she

513
00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:09.559
<v Speaker 1>was paralyzed and couldn't even go to the bathroom by

514
00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:14.880
<v Speaker 1>herself without assistance, and she even claimed on Doctor Phil

515
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:20.920
<v Speaker 1>that she has stage five cancer. Stage five a thing. No,

516
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't exist, Doctor Phil asked her. He's like, what's

517
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:24.599
<v Speaker 1>stage five can because I.

518
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:25.839
<v Speaker 2>Was like, I only have heard it going up to

519
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:26.400
<v Speaker 2>stage four.

520
00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Stage four is throughout the body, and she's like, stage

521
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 1>five is to the bone.

522
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:34.200
<v Speaker 2>So she just made that shit, made that up. Was

523
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:35.960
<v Speaker 2>she actually on Doctor Phil herself?

524
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was. I mean she wasn't on the show physically,

525
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:39.960
<v Speaker 1>but she was skyping in.

526
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh geez, I want to watch this for sure, so

527
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.680
<v Speaker 2>I want to see what she looks like. But you'll

528
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:49.519
<v Speaker 2>be putting that on insta definitely. Yeah.

529
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.440
<v Speaker 1>So there's two things though that I draw from this one.

530
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:55.759
<v Speaker 1>This may have played more into the idea of spiritual

531
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>energy being taken from Mother God because it causes her pain, right,

532
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 1>like you go in, you see this frail woman. Oh,

533
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>we aren't working hard enough, like we got to take

534
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 1>the pain away from her. Though I don't, I personally

535
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>don't think she's faking any ailments, but I do think

536
00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Speaker 1>it would have played into that hand.

537
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, how old has she even? Like, she's probably youngish.

538
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:20.440
<v Speaker 1>You don't it's a good question. I never actually looked

539
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>at her age. I think she's around her in her

540
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:23.759
<v Speaker 1>forties if I'm correct.

541
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:25.640
<v Speaker 2>So why is she like this tiny, frail woman.

542
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:29.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she's faking ailments.

543
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 2>I'll say that, Okay, okay, go to the gym. Sorry, well,

544
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean like maybe she needs to or she should

545
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Speaker 2>go do some of that work to like get some

546
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>may maybe.

547
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And two, why doesn't she just heal herself?

548
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I never even went there.

549
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:51.079
<v Speaker 1>And there. There's several times that question has been asked,

550
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Like I've I've gone through Reddit, I've gone through different

551
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:56.720
<v Speaker 1>interviews and stuff. I've never seen a straight answer to it.

552
00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Never Oh, well, I bet she would just put something out.

553
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, should only heal others?

554
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah pretty much. Yeahh so, yeah, one of

555
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:08.920
<v Speaker 1>these people who drop their life to join love has won.

556
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Apparently their energy wasn't compatible with them, so he dropped

557
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:18.640
<v Speaker 1>his life. He donates I think was like ten to

558
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.599
<v Speaker 1>fifteen thousand dollars. Wow, And he goes and joins them

559
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:23.759
<v Speaker 1>and he spends a couple of days working and they're like, yeah,

560
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>his energy doesn't match ours. And he was abandoned by

561
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the group after only two days, and

562
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>he was left on the far side of a near

563
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:36.799
<v Speaker 1>mountain and was found a day later by police wandering

564
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:41.240
<v Speaker 1>naked on private property. He was disoriented, confused, and thought

565
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.279
<v Speaker 1>he was in the fifth dimension. The belief by his

566
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>family is that he was drugged and left dead on

567
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>the other side of the mountain.

568
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.160
<v Speaker 2>It kind of sounds like that, and they probably took

569
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:51.160
<v Speaker 2>the donation money.

570
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yep. The I'm not saying the man's name

571
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 1>because he's he clearly he's not in the group anymore,

572
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and he's quite embarrassed about, you know, being taken by

573
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.799
<v Speaker 1>these people and what he went through and everything. But yeah,

574
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>they lost like ten fifteen thousand dollars and he went

575
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 1>through this ordeal. It's just ridiculous.

576
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that sounds so brutal. Yeah, like so brutal, so brutal.

577
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:16.799
<v Speaker 1>So one thing I haven't really talked much about yet,

578
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, any bouncing back and forth a bit

579
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>because it's hard to stay linear on this. The YouTube

580
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>videos and live streams, the daily live streams that were

581
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:29.519
<v Speaker 1>posted to Love has Won. There's a lot and I

582
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.160
<v Speaker 1>mean like a lot of shady shit that goes on

583
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>in these videos. Okay, I watch them. There's a major

584
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole. I do suggest you taking a look into it,

585
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:43.920
<v Speaker 1>but it's a major rabbit hole. You'll don't go too deep.

586
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Are they like still up or like still doing them

587
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:48.240
<v Speaker 2>daily and stuff?

588
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.319
<v Speaker 1>No? I couldn't find their YouTube videos, okay, but I

589
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>did find like reposts and that sort of stuff. So

590
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.720
<v Speaker 1>they in these videos, they literally lose whatever credibility they

591
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 1>may have had. In my mind, I can't comprehend why

592
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:08.799
<v Speaker 1>someone would see them as a spiritual group to start with,

593
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>let alone.

594
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Divine somewhere you'd want to be part of or something

595
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:14.400
<v Speaker 2>you can to be part of.

596
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh, definitely not. Amy is often seen either very drunk

597
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 1>or very high. Really, there is consistent drinking and drug use.

598
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:26.599
<v Speaker 1>The ref they refer to mushroom trips and Mother God's

599
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:33.240
<v Speaker 1>mushroom visions very frequently interesting. However, when confronted by the question,

600
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>they just simply deny, deny, deny. There's literal videos of

601
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>these two followers of hers, very close followers that were

602
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>interviewed on Doctor Phil. There's a video of them denying

603
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>ever even using mushrooms or being around mushrooms. No, one

604
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>in the group uses it, and then there's videos of

605
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>them talking about their mushroom trips like what that's weird. Hey,

606
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>it's literally compulsive lying, And I think that's what keeps

607
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 1>this group going, is they just makeshift ship up as

608
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.359
<v Speaker 1>they go. It's compulsive lying to make themselves feel better

609
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.119
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason. Maybe they're coming from really dark backgrounds,

610
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>but there's lying that's going on for whatever reason, to

611
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.319
<v Speaker 1>make themselves feel better about being in this higher position.

612
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think it's to the point that they're

613
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>doing it on purpose. I think they literally believe their

614
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>own lies.

615
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Hmm wow, which is scary because she just got them

616
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 2>like so wrapped around her finger and her beliefs.

617
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:38.119
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but I also think it got to the point

618
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:43.039
<v Speaker 1>where she didn't have control of them anymore either. Oh really,

619
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.559
<v Speaker 1>everyone was just so wrapped up in it that it

620
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.319
<v Speaker 1>was just this entity on its own. The group wasn't

621
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:53.079
<v Speaker 1>entpty on its own operating. And it's so hard, it's

622
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:55.640
<v Speaker 1>so hard to describe it. So fucked up. Okay, Like

623
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:57.559
<v Speaker 1>I'll touch a little bit on that a little bit

624
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>later because there's something specific that that I touch about that. Okay, Okay, Anyways, Okay,

625
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.519
<v Speaker 1>where am I at here? Oh? Here we are? Okay.

626
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 1>So there's a video that I watched specifically where they

627
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:12.319
<v Speaker 1>claim heart attacks are not real. They claim that it's

628
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote the dark side that fooled you into believing them. Wow,

629
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>that feeling a heart attack is actually your heart growing

630
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and you are filling up with more love.

631
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile you're like actually dying.

632
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Yep. So they strictly say to their followers and these

633
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.319
<v Speaker 1>people on this live stream, do not go to the

634
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.920
<v Speaker 1>doctor because they won't help you. Just just breathe through it.

635
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:31.839
<v Speaker 1>It's your heart growing.

636
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>People are will die.

637
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So back to Amy though, how I said, this

638
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>entity is like, well, clearly with heart attack bullshit, they're

639
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 1>just making shit up. But Amy specifically, she's often, like

640
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I said, very intoxicated on something. During these live streams.

641
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 1>She's also seen ranting, yelling, cursing, belittling her followers, claiming

642
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 1>very are saying really harsh names to them. Consistently, she

643
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:05.039
<v Speaker 1>to them as whores. Very often. She continues with the

644
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:08.799
<v Speaker 1>psychological manipulation gets what she wants from her followers, including money.

645
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>There's even a video where she's like demanding this one person.

646
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 1>She's like I had a vision of chicken parmesan, and

647
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>you fucking brought me meatballs, Like, what the f Like?

648
00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>What the fuck?

649
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Really?

650
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

651
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Is she like smart?

652
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>No? Definitely not. Okay, Okay, nope, I thought I was

653
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>at one point. That's gonna be later. So I'm gonna

654
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>touch on that whole ant tee being wrapped up in

655
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>its own shit. She does control hearing a bit.

656
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:37.759
<v Speaker 2>So.

657
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.279
<v Speaker 1>The man who who's there was a man whose son

658
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>who's actually living inside the residence of Love has Won

659
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:46.480
<v Speaker 1>when they were back in Colorado, uh this spring so

660
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, and he was inside the residence. This

661
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>son was very young, kind of almost being held captive

662
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. It's really shady on how this is

663
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.519
<v Speaker 1>being described. I think this father was kind of being

664
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>a part of this, wanting to be a part of

665
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the group, and they were holding his son trying to

666
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>get the sun to be spiritual or something.

667
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, it almost seems like all of them are held

668
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:11.400
<v Speaker 2>captive in a way.

669
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely. Yeah. And the man reported there being a

670
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 1>dead body inside Love has One's location. Okay, so immediately

671
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>there are police got a search warrant and entered the

672
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:26.760
<v Speaker 1>house and inside they found something that they did not expect.

673
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:32.679
<v Speaker 1>So this this was I believe April twenty eighth, when

674
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:35.519
<v Speaker 1>they entered the house of one of twenty twenty eight,

675
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.199
<v Speaker 1>so this past week, like that's.

676
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just a little ways away or back, yeap.

677
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:43.559
<v Speaker 1>So when they entered the house, upon a makeshift shrine

678
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was Amy's lifeless, mummified body. She was wrapped in a

679
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>sleeping bag and decorated with Christmas lights. Her eyes were missing,

680
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.679
<v Speaker 1>and around her hollowed out eye sockets was glittery eye makeup.

681
00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Really.

682
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Seven people were rested inside the house and charged

683
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:07.679
<v Speaker 1>with quote unquote abusing a corpse. They were worshiping the corpse, right,

684
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:08.760
<v Speaker 1>they wrapped it up.

685
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they probably didn't think they were abusing

686
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:12.440
<v Speaker 2>it in anyway.

687
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh, they definitely didn't. They were worshiping God as far

688
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>as they knew, which, like I said, it's this group

689
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.239
<v Speaker 1>that's out of control. They're just making shit up.

690
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:21.960
<v Speaker 2>It's so wild that she's dead.

691
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So it was actually thought that Amy had died

692
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.639
<v Speaker 1>sometime in early March, so that would leave her dead

693
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 1>for about two months before she was found. So they

694
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:33.960
<v Speaker 1>had her body worshiping it on a.

695
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Shrine for the visuals coming from this interesting.

696
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they just continued to worship her. They were

697
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>so far gone from reality that her death literally meant

698
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:46.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing to them.

699
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:49.239
<v Speaker 2>And like I bet a lot of people even in

700
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 2>the group quotation mark group didn't even know she was dead.

701
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.199
<v Speaker 1>No, she was. She just left her vessel. She's God.

702
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:01.199
<v Speaker 2>She just went to another plane, another demension and recarnation.

703
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they were just worshiping was what she left

704
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>behind as far as they were concerned making shit up again.

705
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow.

706
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.280
<v Speaker 1>So we're still waiting on the autopsy report on Amy's body,

707
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.360
<v Speaker 1>which should be coming out soon. Uh. There are some

708
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.719
<v Speaker 1>speculations as malnutrition being a cause maybe why she was

709
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:29.760
<v Speaker 1>so skinny, overdosing mm hmmm, alcohol poisoning.

710
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Like she was probably like an addict.

711
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and heavy metal poisoning as well. Is also a

712
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.199
<v Speaker 1>theory from quote unquote health potions that the group frequently

713
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.920
<v Speaker 1>sold oh jeez, and many other who knows undiagnosed health

714
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:51.440
<v Speaker 1>issues because Amy never saw a doctor, why would she,

715
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:55.199
<v Speaker 1>She's divine. However, this is where I said she didn't.

716
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she really had power over the group anymore.

717
00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:59.679
<v Speaker 1>It was the group was its own entity, and just

718
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:04.079
<v Speaker 1>what the group decided was the loudest voice kind of

719
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:09.320
<v Speaker 1>got it right. This is really fucked up. It was

720
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>about a year ago, on one live stream video, two

721
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:14.360
<v Speaker 1>of her disciples, the same two that were on the

722
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Phil episode, being interviewed. Okay, they were talking about

723
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.800
<v Speaker 1>her being ill, hence why she's so frailed, being paralyzed,

724
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:26.119
<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff. Yeah, and she's asking to be

725
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>brought in to see doctors, but they refuse to take her.

726
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>They refused to take Amy and to see the doctors.

727
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.039
<v Speaker 1>They said that doctors would be so perplexed by her

728
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.920
<v Speaker 1>and that they would just try and hijack her in

729
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.480
<v Speaker 1>some and do some crazy shit to her. And so

730
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>they told her absolutely not.

731
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow, but that's probably because she's told people that in

732
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.960
<v Speaker 2>the past. Yeah, So they were like learning from her

733
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 2>and literally not letting her get the help she needed.

734
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it got so out of control that she

735
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't have power anymore. The group itself had power. The

736
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>loudest voice in the group is what's going to have

737
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>the power if someone stands up and says this is

738
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 1>what it is, this is how it is, this is love,

739
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>and they just rally enough people behind them, very much

740
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:23.199
<v Speaker 1>so like how Hitler fucking rallied Germany into a fucking

741
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:28.400
<v Speaker 1>World war. It's the same thing. It's manipulation. Whoever has

742
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the most power within the group to manipulate the others

743
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:34.800
<v Speaker 1>is going to have say. These two girls I think

744
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.239
<v Speaker 1>are very high on that list for the manipulation within

745
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:37.599
<v Speaker 1>the group.

746
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh, like the two that didn't let her get help. Yes,

747
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:42.559
<v Speaker 2>are females.

748
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I believe they go by the name Hope and Aurora.

749
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>They're interviewed on the Doctor Phil.

750
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.480
<v Speaker 2>They're okay, yes, O, why but I just pictured men

751
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:52.119
<v Speaker 2>for some reason.

752
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>No, it's two females there. I would say they're probably

753
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>like late twenties, mid twenties, very young. But they seem

754
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:03.880
<v Speaker 1>to be very like, very loud and opinionated. And I

755
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.199
<v Speaker 1>don't want to paint a bad picture for anyone who's

756
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 1>who aligns this way, but they're very stereotypical far left

757
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 1>wing or I guess far right wing. But those people

758
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.159
<v Speaker 1>who are just very loud and opinionated. My way is

759
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the right way. Yeah, they seem like those kind of

760
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:22.599
<v Speaker 1>people who are just like, no, if you're against me, you're.

761
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Wrong, which I honestly like, I don't know. Unpopular opinion, Well,

762
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:28.119
<v Speaker 2>maybe not, but I don't like people like that.

763
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is Amy was very much like that too, Yeah,

764
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.559
<v Speaker 1>the whole way. If you're not against me, or if

765
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 1>you're not with me, you're wrong. You're against me, And

766
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I think.

767
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Are allowed to have other opinions.

768
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but she just recruited people who had a louder

769
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>voice in her and I think it bitter in the

770
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>ass in the end.

771
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.760
<v Speaker 2>So are they like the ones that are up on trial? Then?

772
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Basically, I don't know if there's no trial yet as

773
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:57.440
<v Speaker 1>far as I'm aware. Other than being arrested for the

774
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:59.119
<v Speaker 1>desecration of a corpse or whatever.

775
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Is it just those two arrested story?

776
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>There were seven people total?

777
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Seven people, Okay, As of right now.

778
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.039
<v Speaker 1>We're still waiting for the autopsy report and Amy.

779
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Why is it taken so long?

780
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But I mean, once the autopsy report

781
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:18.320
<v Speaker 1>comes out, we could find that murder was involved. Someone

782
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.280
<v Speaker 1>else could have been saying like I want to be

783
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.639
<v Speaker 1>mother God and taken her out. It could have been

784
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.280
<v Speaker 1>malnutrition that she wasn't taken care of. It could have

785
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:28.119
<v Speaker 1>been that she had cancer. We don't know. We're at

786
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.480
<v Speaker 1>the point where we're just waiting for the autopsy report.

787
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:33.199
<v Speaker 1>And yes, it's been a few months, so I would

788
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:35.119
<v Speaker 1>assume that it's going to be coming out fairly soon.

789
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Like just the picture that you painted, this whole thing

790
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:43.199
<v Speaker 2>just sounds so undesirable to me that it's almost shocking

791
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.639
<v Speaker 2>that like they got people.

792
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how they did, because, like I said,

793
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:51.360
<v Speaker 1>in their live streams, they're they're ranting, they're raving, they're

794
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 1>they're drugged up, they're drunk. There's there's live stream videos

795
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.320
<v Speaker 1>of them trying to reform these kids who haven't really

796
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.440
<v Speaker 1>been disciplined of parents who are now coming into the group,

797
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and they're putting him in time out. They're just locking

798
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.440
<v Speaker 1>him in closets for a couple of minutes. It's like

799
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:11.480
<v Speaker 1>it goes over that. Yeah, it's that's that's imprisonment. That's

800
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 1>not time out.

801
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

802
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 1>There's another video where Amy is seen, uh I wouldn't

803
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.920
<v Speaker 1>say beating her cat, but she is seen shaking and

804
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.199
<v Speaker 1>holding her cat up in this gruff neck being very

805
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:24.519
<v Speaker 1>aggressive with her animal.

806
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh she's just a monster.

807
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she they do this on their live stream

808
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:32.320
<v Speaker 1>or did it on their live stream openly and willingly.

809
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.599
<v Speaker 2>It's just like literally people wanting just the idea of

810
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:39.360
<v Speaker 2>a better life so strongly, Yeah, that they will almost

811
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:41.360
<v Speaker 2>just do anything.

812
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's what this group took advantage of.

813
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.719
<v Speaker 2>There are other ways, my friends, but.

814
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Again I don't think. I mean, there is to some

815
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 1>degree where they took advantage, like, for example, spending money

816
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 1>fucking moving to Hawaii that was donated to you labor labor.

817
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.079
<v Speaker 1>But I do literally think that they believe their own lies.

818
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:03.719
<v Speaker 1>They would make up some fucking lie and say, yes,

819
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.320
<v Speaker 1>we are divine, we know, and they're just making it

820
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.079
<v Speaker 1>up and they believe it. They believe that they just know.

821
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Hm.

822
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:12.960
<v Speaker 1>So I think they're a victim of their own circumstance

823
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:17.880
<v Speaker 1>to a degree. However, they still fucking trash, They still

824
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:20.599
<v Speaker 1>did all this, They still rope people in and did

825
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.440
<v Speaker 1>some fucking weird sick shit.

826
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Probably, And you, I mean, you named the one

827
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.480
<v Speaker 2>person that was embarrassed and stuff, But I bet you

828
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:28.320
<v Speaker 2>there's so many more.

829
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I bet you there's so many more.

830
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

831
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.800
<v Speaker 1>So that's the story of Amy Carlson and the cult.

832
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.079
<v Speaker 1>As far as I'm concerned, love.

833
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Has won and literally everyone's shutting off this podcast and

834
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:42.559
<v Speaker 2>going to the doctor. Phil episode now.

835
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 1>It'll be linked below. It's it took two episodes because

836
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>it was like two half episodes, but it's a pirated

837
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.360
<v Speaker 1>version on YouTube. I got down there. It's all stable together.

838
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:54.039
<v Speaker 1>It's about an hour long. It was worth the watch.

839
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:55.880
<v Speaker 2>That's so interesting.

840
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:58.159
<v Speaker 1>They talk with Amy's family, some of her followers, they

841
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.119
<v Speaker 1>talk with an author who's right in to cult psychology

842
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.599
<v Speaker 1>and everything. They talked to Amy herself. It's it's an

843
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:06.440
<v Speaker 1>interesting episode.

844
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:08.920
<v Speaker 2>And her poor kids. They just popped in my head. Yeah,

845
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.840
<v Speaker 2>she's three kids, she does, So there you go.

846
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 1>That is love has won, and I don't think in

847
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:18.519
<v Speaker 1>that sense love did not win.

848
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.880
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, not at all. So it's wild.

849
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you guys out there can stay wicked, but don't

850
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.599
<v Speaker 1>stay quite as wicked as this group because they're fucked up. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see you in the next episode when maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole's feeling a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe my voice will be better. Let's see.

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<v Speaker 1>We got one week fingers crossed. Okay, all right, Well

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<v Speaker 1>until then

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<v Speaker 2>Peace, stay wicked.