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<v Speaker 1>Imagine and time meant for family bonding, basking in the

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<v Speaker 1>warmth of the August sun and enjoying each other's company. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty two, a family of six was enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>just that. But for them, what should have been a

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<v Speaker 1>joyous occasion turned into the ultimate nightmare when a seventh shadow,

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<v Speaker 1>uninvited and threatening, emerged from the depths of the woods

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<v Speaker 1>during their camping vacation. This is the chilling tale of

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<v Speaker 1>a family's disappearance amidst the wilderness of Wells Gray Provincial Park.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Nicole, my name's Ben, and this is Wicked and Grim,

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<v Speaker 1>a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Daring podcast listener question that cheers, cheers. We're drinking some

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<v Speaker 2>good wine today. M h from what was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Gray Monk? Are you going to read the label again?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? Will? This is not sponsored not sponsored by Gray

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<v Speaker 2>Monk's twenty twenty Pinot Noir. It's from the BCVQ a

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<v Speaker 2>Okanagan Valleys.

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<v Speaker 1>Dang good, delicious and nutritious. My friends so good. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I was compiling a list. I was like, what do

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<v Speaker 1>we have to chat about?

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<v Speaker 2>What do we have to chat It's like, did you.

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<v Speaker 1>Put ice cream on the grocery list. Yeah, well really

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<v Speaker 1>that is like you know right up there, Yes it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You need some motherfucking ice cream? Now, well you actually

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<v Speaker 1>had some and I ate it. I'm obsessed with ice cream.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you look for that night it was gone?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, sorry, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was well aware you're obsessed with ice creb and you

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<v Speaker 2>ate it all. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so good. Okay. So we have some patrons

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<v Speaker 1>to think we do, and then we also have I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing this case yay wow, then get some breaks like

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<v Speaker 1>I think the last one I did, dude, was like

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<v Speaker 1>in December. Wow, that's bad. I apologize it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Been a while. Yeah. Sorry, Yeah, singing some creed right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But instead of singing creed, I'm going to go ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and thank the patrons. How's that that would be wonderful? Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have two amazing people who joined us over

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<v Speaker 2>on Patreon this week. We have Crystal Burbridge and Ashley Parks.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you once. We appreciate you, guys. Yeah, it means

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<v Speaker 2>a lot for joining us over there.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>We did a pre show before this this episode, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're getting that too. Drop some bombs in there, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks exactly dropping some good heads up information. We just

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<v Speaker 2>dropped a couple of big ones in there.

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<v Speaker 1>We did, we did, so, okay, so should we just

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<v Speaker 1>dive right in. I'm like, antsie.

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<v Speaker 2>Pantsy, Now, I guess you're running the show. You got

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<v Speaker 2>you got the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I haven't. You know I'm going to be rusty,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's I'm just I might be a bit rusty,

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<v Speaker 1>But I also know this freaking case like the back

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<v Speaker 1>of my hand.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good, that's good. I feel like I'm like the

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<v Speaker 2>jury right now. I'm just watching the prosecutor taking this

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<v Speaker 2>like taking the floor, addressing the court room, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like, okay, what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we've switched roles. It's a bit I like

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<v Speaker 1>it weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be nice. I will be nice. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>two parter. But I'm pretty sure that I've said I

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<v Speaker 1>said earlier in another episode that the next case I

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<v Speaker 1>do is most likely going to be a two parter.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you had read in a book for this watch

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<v Speaker 2>multiple documentaries, yes, not to mention articles in and out

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<v Speaker 2>and through and through.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I was going to squeeze it all into one,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>No, sometimes it's nice to do those deep dives.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I want to spend a smidge more time

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<v Speaker 1>on part two, so you know, it allows.

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<v Speaker 2>For that respectable respectable.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's go here, let's go. You ready for this? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You ever been asked that sort of question for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I haven't. Kind of caught me off guard if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm honest. Oh yes, I am. Go for it, do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. It was to be a glorious two week camping

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<v Speaker 1>vacation in Wells Gray Provincial Park. This is one of

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<v Speaker 1>British Columbia's largest and most rugged recreational areas. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>our province, which is very exciting. I just have to

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<v Speaker 1>throw that out there. The park itself covers just over

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four hundred square kilometers or one point three mile sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>one point three million acres, and has something to offer

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<v Speaker 1>for almost every outdoor enthusiast. It's a place we need

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<v Speaker 1>to visit.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So Bob Johnson, his wife Jackcki, who he'd been married

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<v Speaker 1>to for twenty one years and their two daughters. They

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<v Speaker 1>had a daughter named Janet who was thirteen, and a

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<v Speaker 1>daughter named Karen, who was eleven. They left their home

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<v Speaker 1>on August second, nineteen eighty two, with the intention of

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<v Speaker 1>meeting up with Jackie's retired parents, George and Edith Bentley.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bentleys, who were both in their late sixties, were

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<v Speaker 1>avid campers and had actually recently just purchased a new

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<v Speaker 1>truck and camper for their adventures. Okay, so you know

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<v Speaker 1>all live in that retired life like that is? That

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<v Speaker 1>is the dream, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>The dream that we all dream of, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just having that freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting yourself some new toys, spending time with your kids,

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<v Speaker 1>your family, you know, getting.

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<v Speaker 2>Drunk out in the provincial park with your new truck

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<v Speaker 2>and camper shown by the lake and water.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Ben's id, I guessa of retirement phenomenally. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you do that now.

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<v Speaker 2>I do that at home. If I already retired, I

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<v Speaker 2>could do it out of the home.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, Yeah, and then I would do it

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<v Speaker 1>in a home. See the progression works right, yeah? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So for the trip, they had also secured a ten

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<v Speaker 1>foot aluminum boat that they fastened on the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the camper. It was going to be a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>They were a close knit family, three generations of compatible,

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<v Speaker 1>loving individuals who wanted to enjoy the outdoors and just

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<v Speaker 1>spend time together. So two weeks came and went, with

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<v Speaker 1>the Johnson family set to return home to West Kelowna

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<v Speaker 1>on August sixteenth, but Bob didn't report, didn't report for

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<v Speaker 1>work as expected, And in twenty years he had never

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<v Speaker 1>missed a day's work.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh dang, that's dedication.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he was a very very good employee. He even

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<v Speaker 1>had a workplace injury where he lost a finger and

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<v Speaker 1>he returned to work the very next day.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>So to say that this you know, him missing a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, time at work without any contact, like it

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<v Speaker 1>was very.

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<v Speaker 2>Much swat of character, no kidding. Their employer must have

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<v Speaker 2>thrown him a damn good pizza party for losing a finger.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd hope, hey, one would hope they would better be

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<v Speaker 2>more than a pizza party. But in today's age, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably just a pizza.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what the company was, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like he was a sar so it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>like a mill.

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<v Speaker 2>Sar like a saw filer.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just said sorrow. Is that it? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. He worked in a mill.

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<v Speaker 2>Of sorts mill. Okay, well I can relate.

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<v Speaker 1>You can lose fingers in that sort of environment pretty easily,

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<v Speaker 1>can't you.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen many because I worked in saw mills for

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<v Speaker 2>over fifteen years. I've seen countless people missing digits as

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<v Speaker 2>a result of working in sawmills.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is I couldn't imagine, and I would be

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<v Speaker 1>one of those people that'd be like, I can't go

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<v Speaker 1>to work for a pretty long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when I secured a job at one of

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<v Speaker 2>the sawmills. During the interview, they're asking questions and everything

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<v Speaker 2>that I got. I got the position, they hired me

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<v Speaker 2>on the spot there, and then I went to shake

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's hand and one of the guys interviewing me he

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<v Speaker 2>was missing all the fingers on his hand. Wow to

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<v Speaker 2>his for his first knuckle.

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<v Speaker 1>Really did that make you kind of be like, uh, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what did I just do?

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<v Speaker 2>No, because I had already been in malls for like

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<v Speaker 2>five years, right, Okay, so I was already well aware

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<v Speaker 2>of people missing fingers stuff. It was just every finger

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<v Speaker 2>on the same half was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wow, gosh, that would have been brutal. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So on August twenty third, after missing work, so he

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<v Speaker 1>missed work for an additional week, Bob's boss filed a

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<v Speaker 1>missing person's complaint to the RCMP. You know, he was

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<v Speaker 1>like a well liked guy. They were probably just giving

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<v Speaker 1>him the benefit of the doubt or something, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>eventually like enough's enough. The report was passed on to

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Frank Baruda of Clearwater Detachment, who went about making

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<v Speaker 1>several local inquiries, but unfortunately he came back empty handed.

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<v Speaker 1>The families were then put in the system as missing persons.

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<v Speaker 1>It was August sixth that was actually the last time

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<v Speaker 1>anyone had been in contact with any of the family members.

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<v Speaker 1>Edith had contacted their other daughter, Sharon from the Chamber

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<v Speaker 1>of Commerce telephone in Clearwater, BC to check in. She

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<v Speaker 1>let her know that they were having a great time

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<v Speaker 1>camping and would be going to meet the Johnson's and

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<v Speaker 1>Wells Gray Provincial Park. Little did anyone think this would

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<v Speaker 1>be the last time they'd hear from either family. Day

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Bentley, So that's George and Edith, Edith's other son.

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<v Speaker 1>They had three children, in total and his wife Linda,

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<v Speaker 1>who I imagine were worried for and sick. They circulated

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<v Speaker 1>their family's photos in the area between Clearwater and Belmont.

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<v Speaker 1>Among some of the first reports to come in was

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<v Speaker 1>one from a gas station attendant east of Clearwater. We're

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<v Speaker 1>calling seeing George and Jackie and the two children while

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<v Speaker 1>they were filling up their car with gas. George had

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<v Speaker 1>asked if they knew of any good areas to do

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<v Speaker 1>berry picking in the area. It was promising lead because

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<v Speaker 1>it showed that both families did in fact make it

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<v Speaker 1>to the area of Wells Gray Provincial Park, and this

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<v Speaker 1>led to a massive search of that area.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's a massive provincial park though, that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a major key factor here in this park in

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<v Speaker 2>this case.

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<v Speaker 1>But at least if they knew that they arrived to

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<v Speaker 1>the destination.

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<v Speaker 2>Which that's it's definitely a good thing. Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you're if you know, but you know, where

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<v Speaker 2>in the park they were supposed to have been, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>were they supposed to be at a specific lake or campsite?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't even think that was they something I

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<v Speaker 1>had read they kind of liked to camp in, like

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<v Speaker 1>more rugged kind of off the beaten path place, gotcha,

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<v Speaker 1>So that for this investigation is not helpful whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is in the early eighties. Yeah, so there's

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<v Speaker 2>not a whole lot of provincial campsites that are can

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<v Speaker 2>be like paved roads well maintained a lot of traffic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>The search was jointly led by Burruda, who I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>parks personnel, private citizens clubs, and local pilots. The park

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<v Speaker 1>was searched hirestly for any sign of the missing families,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had no such luck and no clues were found.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, both Janet and Karen had missed the

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<v Speaker 1>start of the school year and all the excitement that

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<v Speaker 1>week of August contacted the police, believing that he had

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<v Speaker 1>seen the Johnson's vehicle. He reported that he'd been in

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<v Speaker 1>Chrysler similar to the one belonging to the Johnson family.

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<v Speaker 1>So once Burruda got word of this, he and Constable

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<v Speaker 1>tire tracks angling off into the bush, and barely visible

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<v Speaker 1>from the road, lay the wreckage of a car, its

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<v Speaker 1>outlying cast in a dull orange hue. Despite the difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>in spotting it, they pressed on, drawing nearer to the wreck,

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<v Speaker 1>which was about one hundred and fifty feet from the road.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worth noting that this road was typically traveled only

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<v Speaker 1>by horseback or like four by four vehicles, Oka, confirming

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<v Speaker 1>that they were far from the usual paths within the park.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they're definitely going off the beaten path, if

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, assuming they are driving their own vehicle in

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<v Speaker 2>this area, differently, going down places people don't generally go,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly trying to find that spot, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, upon closer inspection, they confirmed that the license

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<v Speaker 1>plate was in fact a match. Surrounding the vehicle was

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<v Speaker 1>scorched earth. Nothing remained untouched by the flames. Everything had

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<v Speaker 1>been melted or warped beyond recognition. So they approached cautiously

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<v Speaker 1>to take a peek inside the car, and when they did,

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<v Speaker 1>the two froze in their tracks.

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<v Speaker 2>Bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>It was at this moment that the nature of the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation shifted dramatically. What it initially seemed like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>could have been possibly an accident now demanded a thorough

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<v Speaker 1>homicide investigation, and the area needed to be secured immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>So bodies, well, Jesus just say it. I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, come on, what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it? So this is when Sergeant Michael Eastham

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<v Speaker 1>got called who would lead the investigating RCMP officers, And

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<v Speaker 1>he only gets called when there's bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there we go, Thank you bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>He also wrote the book I Read on this case

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<v Speaker 1>along with Ian McLeod, and it's titled The Seventh Shadow.

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<v Speaker 1>So upon his arrival, east Ham went straight to work

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<v Speaker 1>examining the burned out vehicle, and inside among the melted

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<v Speaker 1>glass and metal was a horrible mess. The back seat

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<v Speaker 1>of the car was filled with burned skeletal remains. The

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<v Speaker 1>bodies had been literally cremated.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it initially appeared to be two bodies, but a

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<v Speaker 1>coroner on site was later able to determine he believed

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<v Speaker 1>there was actually four bodies. It was absolutely shocking that

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<v Speaker 1>what remained in the car's back seat amounted to four

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<v Speaker 1>human adult bodies with one of the skulls appearing to

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<v Speaker 1>have a bullet hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit. Yeah, So there was how many individuals in

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<v Speaker 2>this family? The two grandparents, parents, and two kids? So

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<v Speaker 2>we have four adults, four adults?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, and I am going to because you you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of mentioned earlier, this is not like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not where they were camping. Okay, this vehicle is not

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<v Speaker 1>found where they're camping. So when approaching the car, it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because the investigator east Ham, he noticed that there

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<v Speaker 1>was five keys dangling from the lock of the trunk

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<v Speaker 1>of the car, and he like wondered, you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck is in there, and realized, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the one that's going to have to look in

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<v Speaker 1>this in this trunk.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a feeling when we were when I realized

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<v Speaker 2>that two kids were missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it was now time to investigate why keys

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<v Speaker 1>were dangling from the trunk of the car and they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't just open the trunk. I mean, this this vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>was just like not in a good state seized up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they had to use a prim war to open it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they got a shock of their life. They had

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<v Speaker 1>hoped the trunk was, you know, maybe used to store

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<v Speaker 1>the fuel and some sort of accelerant to make the

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<v Speaker 1>fire burn so intensely, but instead, staring up at them

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<v Speaker 1>were two little skulls, one of them looking straight at them. Damn, yeah, damn.

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<v Speaker 1>Two vibrant young girls that were about Eastam's daughter's age, too,

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<v Speaker 1>which would make it just that much worse.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have hit him right in the gut.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I just oh man, it almost like I know

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<v Speaker 1>so much about the case, but even just reading it

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<v Speaker 1>it makes me feel just so sad, like so sad.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, I can't blame you. It's not like that's

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<v Speaker 2>an easy piece of information to really digest for anyone, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let alone east Ham staring the skull down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the whole atmosphere obviously changed once the trunk

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<v Speaker 1>was open and the reality of the situation hit. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the little skulls had a prominent hole over the

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<v Speaker 1>left eye, looking like she had been shot in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of the head, and this was the exit wound.

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<v Speaker 1>They could only think, what kind of sick diluted coward

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<v Speaker 1>would take a child's life, no shit, you know, two

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<v Speaker 1>children's life, and then four adults too. Yeah, the whole family,

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<v Speaker 1>three generations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracking dogs, helicopters, and all the manpower that RCMP could

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<v Speaker 1>muster were employed in search for more evidence, including the

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<v Speaker 1>Bentley's truck and camper, which were not at this site.

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<v Speaker 1>What was discovered next was what the investigators felt was

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<v Speaker 1>the murder site. A report from a park employee had

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<v Speaker 1>come in who recalled seeing a truck and camper unit

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<v Speaker 1>parked at the old Bear Creek prison site, which was

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<v Speaker 1>still within the park. This was approximately twenty kilometers from

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<v Speaker 1>where the burned out Johnson car was found. Here they

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<v Speaker 1>located six twenty two caliber shell casings and some beer

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<v Speaker 1>caps of the brand known to be enjoyed by Bob Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>Full bottles of the same beer were also discovered cooling

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<v Speaker 1>in the nearby creek, which I just kind of love

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<v Speaker 1>that he was using the creek to cool his beer.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also like, oh, man, you know, it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>just so innocent, Like it's so innocent that they were

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<v Speaker 1>just there chilling with family and on vacation. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>also found were two sticks with sharp edges, thought to

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<v Speaker 1>be used by Janet and Cairn for roast marshmallows.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh fuck me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, they had the Johnson's vehicle and now the

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<v Speaker 1>murder site, but they still needed to find more information.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet to be found was the Bentley's truck and camper

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<v Speaker 1>and a suspect. Over the next year, investigators pulled out

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<v Speaker 1>all the stops to continue the search of what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to these families. Researching this case, I honestly felt like

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<v Speaker 1>the investigators team they actually did a like not all

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<v Speaker 1>cases it seems like, you know, shit goes astray or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>but they did a really good job of investigating this.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we've covered a few cases recently where

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<v Speaker 2>they've pulled out all the stops. They didn't let go,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't give up, and they pushed through and eventually they

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<v Speaker 2>had results because of it. And so shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>any authority figures, investigators, RCMP, police, who ever, shadow to

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<v Speaker 2>you guys out there, who are the ones who are

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<v Speaker 2>doing that, because that's what these victims need is someone

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<v Speaker 2>like you to to find who the fuck did this

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<v Speaker 2>and give them a voice totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because I imagine, like I just said, this has

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<v Speaker 1>been going on for a whole year, and you would

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<v Speaker 1>kind of lose hope and at some point, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's almost like they don't and they just

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<v Speaker 1>keep powering through, which is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>So a massive aerial and ground search of the park

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<v Speaker 1>was done.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry it was a joke, but it was water and land,

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<v Speaker 2>not Aaron bad. Sorry, it was a terrible, terrible joke

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<v Speaker 2>that honestly didn't even really line up. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>still said it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I was even like, how do I even swand this

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't make no sense.

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<v Speaker 2>The thought process was there? Give me that it was there.

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<v Speaker 2>It was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're rusty at just you know, sitting back and

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<v Speaker 1>I am sorry, truck bar, I don't know. They even

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<v Speaker 1>went about constructing a nearly exact duplicate of the Bentley's

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<v Speaker 1>truck and camper unit. Okay, no detail was spared, like

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<v Speaker 1>they they found pretty well the exact truck, the exact camper.

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<v Speaker 1>Even an aluminum boat was placed on top of the camper.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they had motor at the back too of

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<v Speaker 1>the camper, like a boat motor. So that was placed

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<v Speaker 1>and they had it driven across the country and hopes

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody would remember a similar vehicle and call in

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<v Speaker 1>with a tit dang wow. Yes, there were a couple

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<v Speaker 1>little easter eggs though, because they were getting a bunch,

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<v Speaker 1>like they were getting so many calls. That was one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that Eastman said that he really likes being able

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<v Speaker 1>to use, you know, people to help with these sort

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<v Speaker 1>of cases. And so there was two things in there

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<v Speaker 1>that they altered just to see if witnesses you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pointed those out or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so there's specifically changing things to see if

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<v Speaker 2>people know it, yeah, which would point to if they're

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<v Speaker 2>being falsified information or whatever. Totally love that idea, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's just smart. Take it's really smart thinking outside the box.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was more behind the reasoning to this. The

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<v Speaker 1>police had received numerous sightings of a camper fitting the

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<v Speaker 1>description of the Bentley's, driven by two French speaking males.

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<v Speaker 1>The sightings indicated that the unit was heading east, and

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<v Speaker 1>because the occupants spoke French, it was assumed the men

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<v Speaker 1>were making their way to go back. They even got

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<v Speaker 1>a call from an autobody mechanic in Windsor, Ontario, who

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<v Speaker 1>saw the bulletins and contacted the police stating that a

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<v Speaker 1>few months earlier, two French speaking males operating a vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>identical to the missing Bentley truck approached him asking for

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<v Speaker 1>a midnight paint job.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, Okay, that's suss as fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we just, you know, can you just in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night just paint this truck? Do you know

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<v Speaker 2>if they were if he approached the guy at the

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<v Speaker 2>middle in the middle of the night, or were they like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>at midnight tonight, can you paint the truck?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not certain, but I know he didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent them somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>Either way, that's suspect as fuck for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they were also asking how to dispose of a weapon,

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<v Speaker 1>like a gun that's a twenty two caliber.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh just so happens to be the same caliber.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I mean that is common one, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty two is very common, especially in any area where

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<v Speaker 2>you're hunting twenty two caliber rifles or used for small

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<v Speaker 2>game rabbit, grouse, etc. Yeah, so yeah, they're they're common.

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<v Speaker 2>Any hunter growing up used the twenty two caliber. They

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<v Speaker 2>probably have one laying around. But why are you going

426
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<v Speaker 2>to just approach some auto body shop and be like, hey,

427
00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:10.319
<v Speaker 2>can you paint my truck at midnight? Also, do you

428
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<v Speaker 2>know how to get rid of a gun?

429
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<v Speaker 1>Well? I think so. He was a little bit on

430
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<v Speaker 1>the sketchy side himself as far as it seemed.

431
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:21.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh was he though, because he turned these guys away

432
00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:23.960
<v Speaker 2>and reported them to the police he did. Maybe he

433
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<v Speaker 2>was just rough around the edges.

434
00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:29.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So the witness was able to describe

435
00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:32.279
<v Speaker 1>details too about the truck and camper that had never

436
00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:36.920
<v Speaker 1>even been relieved really, which is so bizarre because unfortunately

437
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.599
<v Speaker 1>in the end this proved to be false. Really, and

438
00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the investigators they heard some backlash from this endeavor of them,

439
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, like going across the Korean stuff. But they

440
00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:53.119
<v Speaker 1>were just following leads and they had tons of leads

441
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:57.200
<v Speaker 1>that had spotted this. So I guess it was just

442
00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:00.799
<v Speaker 1>like two French speaking, also sketchy people that had a

443
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<v Speaker 1>very similar.

444
00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Wow unit, I don't know, suspiciously wanted to dispose of

445
00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:08.880
<v Speaker 2>a twenty two gun and get it painted at midnight.

446
00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.440
<v Speaker 1>What did these two people do? You know?

447
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.359
<v Speaker 2>No kidding? Or or here here's a theory. What if

448
00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:19.039
<v Speaker 2>these guys are driving the same looking vehicle happened to

449
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:21.680
<v Speaker 2>have a twenty two caliber rifle that you know they

450
00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:23.759
<v Speaker 2>were hunting with earlier in the season or something like

451
00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:27.319
<v Speaker 2>that or whatever, and they are now seeing these news

452
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:31.160
<v Speaker 2>bulletins and stuff, and it's like searching for these guys

453
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:34.000
<v Speaker 2>who stole this truck, Like, shit, did we do something?

454
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Like we didn't do anything, man, we got to get

455
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:37.599
<v Speaker 2>rid of this gun and change our truck. Is we

456
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:38.319
<v Speaker 2>didn't do shit?

457
00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

458
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Like what if they just they're panicking?

459
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<v Speaker 1>I know, because I mean people are going to have

460
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:46.920
<v Speaker 1>similar trucks and similar campers in like a country, right, So.

461
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean even me, like I have a very

462
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:54.519
<v Speaker 2>distinctive looking truck. It is bright fucking orange. Yeah, but

463
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:57.759
<v Speaker 2>there's like three other trucks that are damn near identical.

464
00:25:57.319 --> 00:25:59.519
<v Speaker 1>To mine in town. Yeah, I know, and like I'll

465
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<v Speaker 1>pass them. I have to do a double takes.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I get told that a lot from friends. They're like, oh,

467
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:06.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, I waved at you driving by this area.

468
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:08.279
<v Speaker 1>You're an asshole and you didn't wave bath.

469
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:10.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I was at home all day yesterday. What

470
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.079
<v Speaker 2>are you talking about? That wasn't me?

471
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I mean there you go.

472
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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Sorry, I digress.

473
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<v Speaker 1>That's okay. So Like I said, they were getting some

474
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>backlash from this endeavor, but they were just following the leads,

475
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.160
<v Speaker 1>and they themselves said, can you really put a price

476
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:29.480
<v Speaker 1>a price day on the lives of six individuals? They

477
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.519
<v Speaker 1>were going to solve this case no matter what it took.

478
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no props to them. I'm fully supporting them in

479
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:36.319
<v Speaker 2>their decision to do that.

480
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And it wasn't just a few reports. It was many.

481
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:42.160
<v Speaker 1>So I mean like maybe if it was just one

482
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:43.759
<v Speaker 1>or two, they might not have but it was.

483
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Like a lot.

484
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean it did keep the mass murder

485
00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:51.640
<v Speaker 1>in the public eye, which was a good thing. In total,

486
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:57.559
<v Speaker 1>the police received thirteen thousand tips regarding this case. What

487
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.519
<v Speaker 1>like it was? I mean the manpower that they would

488
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:02.920
<v Speaker 1>also have for that have to deal with that kind

489
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>of amount of tick.

490
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 2>How do you soar through thirteen thousand? How do you

491
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.960
<v Speaker 2>categorize and process that?

492
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't even early Wow. So, but I mean, like

493
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.319
<v Speaker 1>he never made it seem like that was bad or

494
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>anything like he if that's what he wanted he wanted

495
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.559
<v Speaker 1>of course, you know, the help of the public and stuff.

496
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.240
<v Speaker 1>That's how he usually went about kind of solving his cases.

497
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I assumed he was. He was happy to

498
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.480
<v Speaker 2>have it issuit. That's a lot to do, that's a

499
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of work.

500
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and it's people just genuinely wanting to help.

501
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's probably the odd one that isn't, but yeah,

502
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.039
<v Speaker 1>that I just is overwhelming. It's overwhelming.

503
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:43.200
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot.

504
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:46.920
<v Speaker 1>So Now, on October eighteenth, nineteen eighty three, this is

505
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:51.759
<v Speaker 1>about fourteen months after the Johnson's and Bentley's disappeared, east

506
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Em got a call from Sergeant Frank Beruda in Clearwater

507
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.519
<v Speaker 1>stating that he had two forestry workers with him, saying

508
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.119
<v Speaker 1>they found the burned remains of the Bentley truck and

509
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 1>camper on Trophy Mountain.

510
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this was.

511
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Only twenty kilometers from the murder site and about thirty

512
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 1>kilometers from where the Johnson's car was located. East Ham

513
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:17.799
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't believe it. They had spent so much time

514
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:20.799
<v Speaker 1>searching the area, like so much they had, you know,

515
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:24.839
<v Speaker 1>aerial searches like ground searches. They spent a lot of

516
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:26.200
<v Speaker 1>time searching this spot.

517
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Well. To play Devil's advocate in British Columbia, when you're

518
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.680
<v Speaker 2>looking at the boreal forest, if you're in the air,

519
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:34.880
<v Speaker 2>you can't see the ground.

520
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so dense.

521
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.640
<v Speaker 2>It's so dense, and when you're on the ground you

522
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.519
<v Speaker 2>can barely see twenty yards in front of you if

523
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:46.279
<v Speaker 2>you're lucky. It's again so dense, not only dense, the

524
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:50.039
<v Speaker 2>topographical the up, the down, the left, the right, it's inset.

525
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:52.559
<v Speaker 2>You can't imagine unless you've experienced it.

526
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. It is next level. But there was

527
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:59.519
<v Speaker 1>also another reason. So upon his arrival back to Wells

528
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>grape Vinchal Park, it did make sense because the truck,

529
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>like I said, it was also burned. It was the

530
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.039
<v Speaker 1>exact same color of the earth that it was surrounding it.

531
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>It looked like it had been there for fifty years

532
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>resting away.

533
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:15.359
<v Speaker 2>I also like how you just let me go off

534
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>in that rant about like the boreal forest is so thick,

535
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, yep, yep. Also there's another reason, thanks

536
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>that is.

537
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I think that's so a reason. Oh yeah, because it

538
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.160
<v Speaker 1>being like in our forest if you're up in you know,

539
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>a plane, like you can't really see through the trees.

540
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:35.559
<v Speaker 2>That well, no, you can't now like to have something

541
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:37.160
<v Speaker 2>that's going to look like it's been there for fifty

542
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>years at first glance, it's probably just gonna look like

543
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:41.920
<v Speaker 2>an upturned stump for pile of dirt.

544
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and something too that just came back to me.

545
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:48.799
<v Speaker 1>There had been a forest fire or something in that

546
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>area not long ago, so like that would just blend

547
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>rate in as well.

548
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:55.200
<v Speaker 2>No kidding, it's going to be a bunch of scorched

549
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 2>stumps and trees and stuff like that lasts a long time,

550
00:29:58.079 --> 00:29:59.119
<v Speaker 2>that leaves mark for.

551
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:05.240
<v Speaker 1>So this was also very high up the mountain. Eastam

552
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.759
<v Speaker 1>thought that he was going. In his book, he mentioned

553
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 1>like he's going to get a fucking nosebleed from being

554
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:13.759
<v Speaker 1>so high this mountain from the altitude, but like it was, Yeah,

555
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:18.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it makes sense that it wasn't found When

556
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>you think about it, it was pretty obvious that whoever

557
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.039
<v Speaker 1>drove the truck all the way up to the spot

558
00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 1>had been a local with knowledge of the area. Though

559
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>definitely had the truck not high centered on a log,

560
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>it would have been driven off a huge cannon at

561
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the end of the trail. And when cannon, sorry, canyon, canyon, canyon,

562
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>what did I say? Cannon cannon, like a huge cannon,

563
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:50.359
<v Speaker 1>canyon canyon. Sorry. I was getting real into it and

564
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:53.400
<v Speaker 1>getting tongue tied. Sorry, so it would have been driven

565
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>off of there, and if it did, it would never

566
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>ever have been found again. Yeah, so he knew what

567
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:01.440
<v Speaker 1>he was doing.

568
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Neither would have the person driving it. They would never

569
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>would have been found unless.

570
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.599
<v Speaker 1>They could have just like put something on the gat

571
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.119
<v Speaker 1>on the gas pedal and let it go off the cliff.

572
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.759
<v Speaker 2>Which probably would have been a better idea than what

573
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.559
<v Speaker 2>he did, clearly because it would have never have been

574
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:17.480
<v Speaker 2>found and that probably would have played to his benefit.

575
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he got stuck.

576
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he got stuck.

577
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was high centered on a long Oh.

578
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought you said had he not been highed, had

579
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>he not? It's okay, sorry, I see what you said now,

580
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:29.640
<v Speaker 2>But I thought you were saying because he had knowledge,

581
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.640
<v Speaker 2>he did not get high centered, and he logs and

582
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>made his way up this trail where he didn't even

583
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 2>fall off into a cannon.

584
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, No, he did get high centered, and for that,

585
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean they were able to find this.

586
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I see. Okay, that makes that makes sense.

587
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry, No, that could be in mine bad to.

588
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:48.799
<v Speaker 1>I was like getting too excited here.

589
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I got threw off with the cannon. I'm like, where's

590
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:51.559
<v Speaker 2>the cannon.

591
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Okay, so their focus was once again

592
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>brought back to the clear Water area and with in weeks,

593
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>investigators had several leads that pointed to a local man

594
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:10.839
<v Speaker 1>and his name was David Shearing. One informant called in

595
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:14.119
<v Speaker 1>after hearing a rumor that Shearing had run over a

596
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>person out on the Wills Gray Park Highway a couple

597
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>years back and he actually got away with it.

598
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

599
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.799
<v Speaker 1>Oddly enough, the same day that call came in, Yeah,

600
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.960
<v Speaker 1>one of the investigators was having lunch downtown when a

601
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>waitress slid him a piece of paper with Shearing's name

602
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>written on it. You know, I was like, this is

603
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>a sketchy guy like me looking to him.

604
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Nudge nudge, wink wink.

605
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:41.720
<v Speaker 1>And then the next day during a door to door

606
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.759
<v Speaker 1>that was another thing they did. They went door to

607
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.480
<v Speaker 1>door like they had tons of people going and visiting

608
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 1>everyone like girl scouts pretty well selling cookie situation, but

609
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't selling cookie. Yes, So Shearing's name came up

610
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>once again when a woman said to her husband, aren't

611
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 1>you going to tell them about what Dave's sheer said

612
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.839
<v Speaker 1>about reregistering that truck with the bullet hole in the

613
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:08.359
<v Speaker 1>door just like yells this to her husband who's at

614
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the at the door with like a police officer, and

615
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 1>then he just like sideizes her, and it's like the fuck.

616
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, because clearly he was gonna keep it

617
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:17.960
<v Speaker 2>hush hush.

618
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But thankfully I could just picture it.

619
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:26.400
<v Speaker 2>A wow, ain't you gonna tell him about that bullet

620
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.319
<v Speaker 2>hole truck? He was gonna reregister.

621
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Shut up, Debby, you know like it is. You can

622
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>literally picture it.

623
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I picture it.

624
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>But thankfully that officer just like kept cool like he

625
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:41.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't hear that.

626
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he pretended like he didn't hear it, right, Like it.

627
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Was just like not gonna register with him, so that,

628
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:51.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, this guy wouldn't like alert Dave sharing or whatever.

629
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.000
<v Speaker 1>So David Shearing, who lived a couple miles from the

630
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.359
<v Speaker 1>alleged murder scene at the time of the murders, was

631
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty three years old.

632
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Dang, he's young.

633
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Despite his unpleasant reputation and criminal record, David came

634
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:11.360
<v Speaker 1>from a respectable family. Unlike many of the backgrounds of

635
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:16.639
<v Speaker 1>individuals we often cover. His father, who passed away only

636
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 1>about four months before the murders, had once been a

637
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:24.760
<v Speaker 1>prison guard, and his brother a sheriff. He had previously

638
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>been arrested for assault, drinking and driving, and drug possession.

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<v Speaker 1>Up until his recent move to Tumblr Ridge from work

640
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<v Speaker 1>for work, David had lived in the area all of

641
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<v Speaker 1>his life and would have been very familiar with the

642
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<v Speaker 1>park and roads, back roads or whatever and something. I

643
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>did have this in here, but it's not anymore. He

644
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<v Speaker 1>had actually graduated from high school and everything, and even

645
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<v Speaker 1>had like a little bit of post secondary education I

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<v Speaker 1>believe in like mechanics or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, which honestly at that time is like it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty u so, like, I mean, his background was no,

649
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<v Speaker 1>nothing to like really be alarmed about or like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that kind of makes sense, I guess.

651
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<v Speaker 2>So whatever, he's not out torturing animals or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So this was now November sixteenth, and Eastham got

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone with Constable Ron Jerman, who had he

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<v Speaker 1>had previously worked with and who he knew was currently

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<v Speaker 1>in like working in tumblr Ridge as an officer. And

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<v Speaker 1>just for reference, Tumblr Ridge is about ten hours or

657
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<v Speaker 1>so drive from Clearwater, so it wasn't like they could

658
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<v Speaker 1>just hastily drive them there themselves, right.

659
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 2>They also have dinosaur footprints and tumblet Ridge.

660
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<v Speaker 1>They do.

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00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I've been there. I've seen them. You can

662
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<v Speaker 2>go there and they ask you not to touch them

663
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<v Speaker 2>because I mean it could have road and damage over time.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, totally.

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00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:48.679
<v Speaker 2>You can like literally like have your hand like in

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<v Speaker 2>a dinosaur footprint in the ground just off the side

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<v Speaker 2>of the road.

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00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I know I haven't been. I would really like to

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<v Speaker 1>one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you should, I should.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this is how their conversation went.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, that was just an interesting It was very We

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<v Speaker 2>just go ahead, though.

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<v Speaker 1>So he goes, Ron, it's Mike Eastam here, Mike, Ron beamed.

675
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I guess you're pretty busy with that family murder case. Look,

676
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<v Speaker 1>I've got a bit of a weird duck up here.

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<v Speaker 1>He said. He used to live in Clearwater, and I

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<v Speaker 1>figured I could ask him some questions if he wanted

679
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:28.719
<v Speaker 1>me to. His name's David William Shearing. Eastam's heart skipped

680
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<v Speaker 1>a beat because he hadn't even fucking said the name

681
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<v Speaker 1>of the guy yet.

682
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, actually, Ron, we're looking at him right now as

684
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:40.639
<v Speaker 1>a possible suspect. Cheering was continuing to get in trouble

685
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:44.599
<v Speaker 1>in tumblr Ridge and actually had an upcoming court date

686
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<v Speaker 1>on the Monday for possession of stolen stolen property or something.

687
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:53.559
<v Speaker 1>German said he'd continue to keep an eye on Cheering

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00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>until they arrived to conduct an interview. And that's where

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<v Speaker 1>we're stalking part one. Of course, I know it is

690
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<v Speaker 1>such a dick spot to stop, so I'm so sorry.

691
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I honestly almost forgot that it was gonna be a

692
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:11.199
<v Speaker 2>two part thing. I was just like, we're getting through.

693
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<v Speaker 1>This, and yeah, there is a lot more to this story. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's part one.

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00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.039
<v Speaker 2>You've done it. Just do that to us, didn't you?

696
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<v Speaker 1>I did?

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00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Wow? Yeah, thanks, you're welcome. Now we have to wait

698
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:30.519
<v Speaker 2>a whole week for part two. Thanks appreciate that.

699
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 1>I know. I know I was there. I was like, okay,

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00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna stop it there. But I'm going to get

701
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.159
<v Speaker 1>in some shit for stopping it there. But that is

702
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.239
<v Speaker 1>just that is just the natural spot to stop. So

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<v Speaker 1>I do apologize, but I don't apologize. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Not Sorrysha Sory, not sorry. Wow, Okay, David sounds like

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00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 2>a douchebag though.

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00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you guys are definitely going to want to turn

707
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:59.559
<v Speaker 1>tune into part two because it is a fucking roller coaster.

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00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, up and down, left and right and twisting around

709
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:07.159
<v Speaker 2>and upside down, all down to be honest, just all down. Okay, okay,

710
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.360
<v Speaker 2>all right, ye what you're doing here? Yeah, I'm in

711
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:11.400
<v Speaker 2>for it. I'm in for it.

712
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:12.360
<v Speaker 1>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well that's that's you caught my attention.

714
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 1>You're going to be able to to wait a week.

715
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 2>I might have to read this book and in the

716
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.559
<v Speaker 2>meantime just catch up in the middle. What was the

717
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:25.320
<v Speaker 2>book called? Again?

718
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:27.639
<v Speaker 1>One day, I'm just gonna like be trying to find

719
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>my book and you'll have it.

720
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll be curled up in the couch.

721
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I had it. Seventh something, seventh shadow, seventh shadow. Okay, yeah,

722
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the seventh Shadow.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. I might want to read that after this case

724
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.519
<v Speaker 2>or before part two. I don't know. We'll find out.

725
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.239
<v Speaker 1>It is very good there, Like there is a lot

726
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>in and about, you know, him just being an investigator

727
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.519
<v Speaker 1>and you know, like referencing other little cases or his

728
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>life or whatever.

729
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:56.000
<v Speaker 2>His experience and point of view.

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00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he's been an investigator for a long time.

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00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:01.760
<v Speaker 1>He's now tired, but which I think is why he

732
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:04.039
<v Speaker 1>can write this book, because he's not like an act

733
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.360
<v Speaker 1>of Yeah. Still in the force. But yeah, it is

734
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the first half it was harder to get through. But

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<v Speaker 1>then the but I always find books sometimes are hard

736
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 1>to get you know, get started in, but then you know,

737
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:20.039
<v Speaker 1>halfway through whatever, I was like, okay, I think that's

738
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:23.320
<v Speaker 1>when I read the half in one day or one

739
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:25.679
<v Speaker 1>evening or whatever, because I was like, okay, yeah, like

740
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm at the point I can put this down.

741
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.239
<v Speaker 2>So I understand what you say though, with the book

742
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:33.440
<v Speaker 2>like being hard to start, it's the same with with books,

743
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:36.639
<v Speaker 2>with TV shows, with movies, you name it because you're

744
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.519
<v Speaker 2>not invested in the story or the characters or whoever yet. Yeah,

745
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.639
<v Speaker 2>and once you get past that point of investment in it,

746
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.480
<v Speaker 2>in the story of what's being told or what's happening,

747
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.880
<v Speaker 2>then it's okay, you know, I want to see how

748
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:54.639
<v Speaker 2>this person reacts or how this develops, and oh my god,

749
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:58.599
<v Speaker 2>like David actually was also on this other guy's list,

750
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.760
<v Speaker 2>like if if howered to start a conversation, youah, this

751
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 2>guy who potentially murdered people, because I don't know if

752
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.199
<v Speaker 2>he actually did or not. He was found in tumblr

753
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Ridge by some other cops for theft of property. Cool,

754
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:14.920
<v Speaker 2>no one's gonna care. But if we tell them all

755
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the stuff you just told us. Then you stop for

756
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:21.400
<v Speaker 2>fucking part two. They're gonna be pissed because they're invested. Yeah,

757
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:23.280
<v Speaker 2>and they're gonna want to hear it now. Can't they

758
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:24.079
<v Speaker 2>have to wait till next time?

759
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>They're going to be pissed because they're invested. Wow, just

760
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:29.599
<v Speaker 1>throw me under the bus a little more, Why don't you? Oh?

761
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:31.360
<v Speaker 2>I can, I can keep going, trust me.

762
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Anyway. I've said this numerous times. There is not many

763
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.760
<v Speaker 1>things in life where we have to wait anymore, where

764
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:44.119
<v Speaker 1>you're like binge watchers whatever, right, And it's like that's good.

765
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.599
<v Speaker 1>It's good sometimes to have to go a week and

766
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:51.320
<v Speaker 1>anticipate something exciting in your life, to you know, come

767
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>back next week and be like, oh man, yeah it's

768
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:54.599
<v Speaker 1>part two when I get to know what happened.

769
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:56.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's some people out there, and I'm not

770
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.760
<v Speaker 2>throwing them under the bus. You do you I do

771
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.400
<v Speaker 2>not judge it whatsoever. I'm just giving you another perspective here.

772
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.880
<v Speaker 2>There are some people out there who when they see

773
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.639
<v Speaker 2>that we are putting out a part one, they wait

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00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.679
<v Speaker 2>until part two is out to listen to them both

775
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:12.559
<v Speaker 2>back to back. Yeah, I can totally relate to that though,

776
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 2>because they don't have like the will to, like, oh

777
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 2>I gotta wait a whole week now. I'm sure they

778
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:19.079
<v Speaker 2>could if they wanted to, but like, who wants to?

779
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know it is hard, it's hard. And this story,

780
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the story sucks like it's super sad, it's super shitty.

781
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 1>It just sucks. And yeah, it doesn't get any better,

782
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:31.519
<v Speaker 1>I guess, is what I'm saying.

783
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, like you said, it's just downhill, yeah, roller coaster

784
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.519
<v Speaker 2>that just goes down. So yeah, thanks, good job so

785
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.280
<v Speaker 2>far though, thank you. Yeah, good job, good job. I'm

786
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.199
<v Speaker 2>liking it. I'm loving it. I can't wait for part two. Yeah,

787
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:44.880
<v Speaker 2>and until then, if you guys want to check out

788
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.239
<v Speaker 2>more of our social links like Patreon or Instagram or

789
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Facebook or YouTube. We have two YouTube channels when where

790
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.599
<v Speaker 2>we've logged and do some lifestyle tiny home stuff, and

791
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:56.360
<v Speaker 2>another one where you can actually watch the recordings of

792
00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the podcast in visual form on camera. You can go

793
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 2>do that too. Yeah, I've been doing his hand gesture

794
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>every time I talk about the camera rolling and us

795
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>like you can watch it. I always do the hand

796
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.320
<v Speaker 2>gesture because it just feels right, It feels right, natural.

797
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Natural, okay until next week.

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00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't even done. You could check all those things

799
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.079
<v Speaker 2>in the description of this podcast down below. Go ahead

800
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:26.400
<v Speaker 2>click on things. Thanks for listening, now go ahead.

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00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Are you done? Tatty Kathy?

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00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I had a glass of wine and I want another,

803
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:32.679
<v Speaker 2>and I want to listen to part.

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00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Two, well until part two.

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<v Speaker 2>Until part two, stay wicked.