WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:17.719 Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. You guys, It's Thursday, 2 00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:20.760 and in this spot I like to talk about pop culture, 3 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:25.640 and today I've got, in my opinion, the best host 4 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:29.359 of all time, of all dating reality shows. It's my 5 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:32.159 buddy Mark L. Wahlberg from Temptation Island. 6 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:34.759 I see that you read major Dutch and just as 7 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:37.880 I wrote it, so thank you very much. You're so sweet. 8 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:39.320 It's great to see you again. 9 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:43.159 You know, I love you so much, and I think 10 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:46.320 you are wise beyond your years. You're not that much 11 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:47.119 older than me, but. 12 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:50.280 You know I'm wise. That equals my ears. I got 13 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:52.600 so well. 14 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:55.240 I got to tell you that I will tell you 15 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.200 something very funny as we start. I know that this 16 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:01.759 year when Love is Blind came on, which I also cover, 17 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:06.079 and you know, it's a totally different show, right, and 18 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:08.640 like you know, Nicko Vesa aren't like super involved or 19 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:12.560 giving advice or anything like that. It's different. But the 20 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:15.560 amount of people that called for you to jump in, 21 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:19.239 they were like, please, can Mark ol Wahlberg jump in 22 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:20.719 and help some of these some of. 23 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:24.120 These Because my wife and I, Robby and I watched 24 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:24.719 Love is Blind. 25 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:28.359 We love it. Yeah, and we get pretty snarky on 26 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:29.840 the couch or whatever like everybody. 27 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:32.040 Course, of course, of course my heart. 28 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:36.719 Was like I posted something jokingly saying, Netflix, any one 29 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:40.760 hour with these boys at a bonfire. We need to talk, yes, yes, 30 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:42.280 so yeah. 31 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:45.280 Yeah that Chris Man, I don't know. I don't know 32 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:47.959 if he could take your your hard truths, your hard 33 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:51.319 truth But I want to talk about this season to 34 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:55.680 Temptation first and then I've got some questions for you. Okay, 35 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:58.120 So all right, So this season on Temptation Iland, we 36 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:00.239 covered it. We dropped all nine of our episod those 37 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:01.920 at once. We'd like to do it like that, so 38 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.439 if somebody does binge it, then they can come and 39 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:08.039 listen to our recaps. I did it with Keisha. Now, 40 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:13.800 Keisha is my co host for Temptation Island, and she 41 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:18.199 had never watched it. I usually do it with Amy Archer, 42 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:21.479 who also covers it on her show, and so Amy 43 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:23.639 and I know everything. Keisha and I love covering things 44 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:25.520 with somebody who's never seen it, so I can tell 45 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:28.039 her this, and I can also tell her as we go, 46 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.360 like ooh, like you don't know this is coming, you know. 47 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:34.560 So we had four couples this season. We had Summitt 48 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:40.520 and Kaylee. Yes, we had Colon Scarlett, Yes, Jack and Cheyenne, 49 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:45.280 Mikey and Sydney. Now Some and Kaylee to me were 50 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.520 the ones that there's always one couple that they have 51 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:51.439 made a pact. We're not going to do anything to 52 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:54.680 harm our relationship, but we're going to come together at 53 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:57.840 the end. Okay, So they were They were that couple, 54 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:01.039 which was shocking. Then we had col Scarlet. I recently 55 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:02.879 found out Scarlett was on below deck. 56 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:05.879 Yeah I found that out too. Yeah I did wild 57 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:07.960 she was on long but she was on a little bit. 58 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:12.159 So yeah, she was a deckhand or something. Now, when 59 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:14.199 Jack and Cheyenne came on, did you sing Jack and 60 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:15.199 Diane in your mind? 61 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:18.319 Well, you can't not sing it in your head when 62 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:18.960 you see them. 63 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:22.599 Not one person ever mentioned it. I was like, is 64 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:23.400 that because we're old? 65 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:27.159 Because that's our generation that played at our prom, not theirs. 66 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:32.719 Mikey and Sydney. Now, I got to say, we gave 67 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:37.680 Mikey a very hard time, a very hard time, but 68 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:42.400 towards the end we felt bad about giving her such 69 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:43.080 a hard time. 70 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:45.680 Look, we all are on a journey to learn who 71 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:48.639 we are and especially when you're young, like Mikey, we 72 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:51.000 may not have even begun to find out an authentic 73 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:51.840 person who we are. 74 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:52.520 Yeah. 75 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:54.680 So there were a lot of crocodile tears, but a 76 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.719 lot of real emotion and whether it makes sense to 77 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.199 the viewer watching it or not, or you get you 78 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.800 can judge grow up man or whatever, they were real 79 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:05.919 for him at whatever level, they were real. And I 80 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:11.039 he's a sweet dude. Yeah, like that guy, he's you know, 81 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:13.560 I don't know. Maybe I had a kind of kindred 82 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:15.960 spirit that he's a he's a live event host. I 83 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:20.399 kind of know that vibe. Yeah, I mean it breaks 84 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:22.600 my My wife and I. We don't see the show 85 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:25.160 until it drops, right, Yeah. So Robbie and I are 86 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:27.240 on the couch watching it and there's this one interview 87 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:29.920 with early on and Mike. He's talking, he's like good 88 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:31.519 and then you just see him well up and start 89 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:31.879 to cry. 90 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:36.240 And every time, every time, like this guy can't do 91 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:38.439 a stand up interview. He'll go like yeah something that 92 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:42.480 he's like, excuse me, I don't like oh no. So 93 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.079 we gave him a lot of shit, but then we 94 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:47.720 were like at the end, We're like, I think he 95 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:49.839 had a lot of growth at the end. I think 96 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:50.680 I think he. 97 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.000 I think he did everything he could to grow and 98 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:55.959 he's continuing to do so. He's posted a lot about 99 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:58.600 being in therapy. I talked to him briefly, you know, 100 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.199 on DM and thinking about coming to LA. I told 101 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:02.920 him he could stay in my house if he needs 102 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:03.879 a place to day. 103 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:04.519 Cute. 104 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:07.600 Yeah, I didn't ask my wife about that, but okay, yeah, 105 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:09.800 I think maybe I'm blurring the lines of host and 106 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:12.720 codependent and dad. 107 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:18.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my gosh. Well listen first reaction. 108 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.639 So you see these couples, right, and you see them 109 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:22.959 sitting there, they coming down the helicopters and all that stuff, 110 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:24.319 which is just so cool. 111 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:26.120 It was crazy. That was a crazy day. 112 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:30.480 When you see Jack and Cheyenne and you see Jack's hair, 113 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:35.879 I mean, mark Nasa. I have a twenty year old son, 114 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.240 so I know that the hairstyles are fuzzy in the 115 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:42.240 front like they do the thing like every generation's got 116 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:43.560 there weird, that's right. 117 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:45.639 All I looked at I was jealous. I'm like, that's 118 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:48.519 a head of hair. That's a whole lot of hair. 119 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:50.120 You could do anything you want with that for years 120 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:50.519 to come. 121 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:53.319 Could you get like a ruler and stick it all 122 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:56.600 the way down. Like where did his head even start? 123 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:57.199 I couldn't figure. 124 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:57.639 It's a lot. 125 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:00.879 Believe it. 126 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:06.800 But you know, again, content aside, I had an affection 127 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:09.399 for Jack. He's a young guy, and there was this 128 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:11.519 kind of a sweetness about him. 129 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:13.000 I mean, we're all. 130 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:15.759 Train wrecks in some form, you know. 131 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.399 So there's that, But you know, I don't know. 132 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:21.680 Maybe I'm I've gotten maudeling as I've gotten older on 133 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:23.480 this show, but I kind of give everybody the benefit 134 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:26.040 of the doubt. And every time I saw him, I 135 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:29.720 was happy to see him, even with this giganticetta herapist. 136 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.639 Day, you're like a baseball hat won't even fit on top. 137 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.439 Of that, it's like a property you like on like 138 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:37.480 a like an approach. 139 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:41.600 Yes, like he's going to Kentucky Derby. 140 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:46.079 Oh my god, so funny. Now, there always seems to 141 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.399 be that one couple and I was trying to remember 142 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:50.560 and you may remember it and maybe you don't, but 143 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:53.319 there was this couple several seasons ago before it was 144 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.720 on Netflix, and it was this gorgeous like former football 145 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:01.319 player and then like this gorgeous model Julian and christ Okay, 146 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:05.240 Julian was the guy he and then they got engaged 147 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:05.959 at the end. 148 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:07.560 And they're married and having a baby. 149 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:11.959 Oh my god, just found out Mark. We still to 150 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.079 this day make so much fun of it because if 151 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:16.920 he was like in the pool and a girl came 152 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:21.079 and sat by the pool, he would fling himself backwards 153 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.079 onto and like beach whale himself on the other side 154 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:26.480 of the pool. He was so like, not only am 155 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:29.240 I not going to do anything to get me in trouble, 156 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.279 I'm not even going to be seen with an arms 157 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.920 distance of a woman. It was hilarious how far he 158 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:38.920 would jump back from females. Yeah, and so none of 159 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:43.680 these guys were really doing that, but someone in Kaylee 160 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:47.240 shockingly did seem to be the ones that had sort 161 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.439 of made that pact like no matter what, we're not 162 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:53.639 gonna I think Colon Scarlett made that packed. But Scarlett 163 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:57.040 got kind of woo woo with the mustache guy. 164 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:02.600 Yeah yeah, I mean, but Scarlett, she didn't do anything 165 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:05.759 intimate other than conversation. This is the thing I talk 166 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:07.680 about on the show at the very beginning. We always 167 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:09.839 ask a question, what are your rules coming in? And 168 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:13.199 then I kind of often give sort of a snide chuckle, 169 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:15.079 and I'm like, you know, you all come in with this. 170 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:20.480 But here's the thing about that is that it's one 171 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:22.839 thing to set boundaries. I had this conversation with Cole. 172 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:25.160 Some of it got cut out. I says, one thing 173 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:27.560 to set boundaries, and I get that. But if if 174 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:30.319 your whole purpose is to come here and show that 175 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:33.240 you won't cheat, it's that's not that big of a 176 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:35.320 thing to accomplish for three weeks. 177 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:37.960 Right, So I mean it should it should not be 178 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:39.440 a big thing to accomplish, right. 179 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:42.600 It just isn't unless you want to do something. 180 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.799 But to give an example of Julian from Seasons Past, 181 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.480 here's a guy who wasn't going to do anything physical 182 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.360 with anybody, but he did have intimate conversations with women 183 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:54.120 trying to figure out his issues and stuff. 184 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.600 He did end up making that friend that one girl 185 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:57.759 that likes Hell I'm talking about. 186 00:08:57.879 --> 00:09:01.679 Yeah, yeah, So what I was saying to Cole at 187 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:04.159 one point is that when at the final bonfire, he 188 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:06.360 said everything he was supposed to say, and I was like, Cole, 189 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.879 you've learned so much. I'm really proud of you, and 190 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:12.279 and she was kind of like, I haven't you say 191 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:14.720 that now? But I didn't see anything right, And I 192 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:20.639 was saying to him, sometimes just respecting boundaries is limiting 193 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:23.879 your experience. That maybe what she needed to see was 194 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:28.879 you trying things, not physical things, but connection depth, saying 195 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.919 about and so running the gauntlet of I'm not going 196 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:34.080 to touch anybody, may not. 197 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:36.320 I mean I support that. 198 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:38.879 I think that's great, you know, being free here to 199 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.799 your partner, but you also need to open up because 200 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.120 just sitting in the corner and going I'm not playing. 201 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:47.240 The game, right, that's what he did. 202 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:49.759 Yeah, there's no growth out of that because it's not 203 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:51.960 he's like I'm not going to talk. He really did that. 204 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.279 I think actually he did do some work as much 205 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:56.039 as he knew how to do, and he shared as 206 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:57.200 much as he knew how to share. 207 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:01.279 And I actually thought Cole came along way and I 208 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:01.799 like that. 209 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:08.039 Guy, no common old coal. So I did think. Also 210 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.279 I liked that summit, like made friends with that girl Julianne. 211 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:15.200 Now that girl Julianne, I think she's reality gold. I 212 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:17.720 kept I was like wow, I kept staring at her 213 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:19.840 like we were like wow, everything about her is so. 214 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:21.759 Cute, so beautiful. Yeah. 215 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.840 So hopefully and a right, really smart young woman. 216 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:30.600 And but that's perfect example that Summit, you know, took 217 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:32.720 a little bit of a chance to make a friendship, 218 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.759 a deep friendship. It never really got to the place 219 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.159 where he had to really be concerned. But I think 220 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.639 that she served his purpose. Isn't learning more about himself? 221 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:43.840 You know? 222 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:47.320 He also was really game, you know when we would talk. 223 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.440 One of the things that I pointed out on several 224 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.399 podcasts and I keep saying it and not to you know, 225 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:59.639 fangirl all over Summit. But men usually defend their position. 226 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:04.519 I do it all the time, So when called out, 227 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:08.519 the natural tendency often is to defend their position, not 228 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.559 own the responsibility of their part in it. Yeah, And 229 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:18.279 at every turn when I would push on push back 230 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.000 on Summit, he would go, god, I never looked at 231 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:21.519 it that way. 232 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:24.799 Yeah, Yeah, I am highly intelligent. 233 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:28.519 So I agree you're so right and that men will 234 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.600 sort of like defend their position. But on this show, 235 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:33.840 I think, especially see when you get to like the 236 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.080 second bonfire, the first one, usually they kind of are 237 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:39.960 puffing their chest up still, but on the second one, 238 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.720 I think they've let their guards down, and it just 239 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.159 seems like It always happens that the women get stronger 240 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:48.200 and stronger and get these friendships with the men, and 241 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:52.320 the men just seem to slowly crumble and are like, 242 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.480 wait a minute. You know, they all just seem to 243 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:57.279 be like, yes, the partying at night is super fun, 244 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:00.000 let's have a phone party, let's let's get crazy and drunk. 245 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:01.960 But in the daytime, when they sort of have to 246 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:04.519 sit with it, they're like, that wasn't that great? I 247 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:07.399 wish my girlfriend was here, You know it is. It 248 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.000 is always interesting to see the women. I can sort 249 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:16.000 of like expect their trajectory, but with the men, it 250 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:19.559 is always shocking to see how they actually grow. And 251 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:23.200 I think having somebody like you to talk to and 252 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.480 you're so non judgmental and so nice, or somebody else 253 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.080 like me might be like, man, get it together. 254 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.399 Well, you know there are ways to say get it together. 255 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:37.639 Yeah. You know, I have said often and will continue 256 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:39.720 to say that I just don't know that judgment in 257 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:42.600 any form, in any part of our lives serves anything 258 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.519 other than making the judge er feel bigger and the 259 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:51.080 judge feel less. Yes, doesn't really do anything right, and 260 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:53.840 so it's a constans choice I make that I'm going 261 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:56.080 to meet them where they are. I'm going to realize 262 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:59.320 that there are decades between my age and experience in 263 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:03.799 their agent ex experience, and rather than judge the choices 264 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.320 they make, I ask questions. And so what happens often 265 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:09.559 is that then they answer those questions. And when they 266 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.080 hear themselves say stuff and I say it back to them, 267 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.279 that's when I mean, that's how I learned stuff. When 268 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:18.919 I did different workshops and seminars, they had you stand 269 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.360 up and they make you say stuff, and you say 270 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:23.759 stuff and they go you just said and then breaking 271 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:25.080 on what you said, and You're like, I didn't even 272 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.480 realize because what comes out of our mouth is not 273 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.480 what's in our heart. That's that's the mask. 274 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:31.000 Yeah, And. 275 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:34.559 So I'm constantly telling people I don't listen to what 276 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:36.720 you're saying. I listened to why you chose those words 277 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:38.080 to say what you couldn't say. 278 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.960 Oh, Mark, I wonder if you and I ever went 279 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:43.879 out and had like drinks and dinner. By the end 280 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:45.759 of it, would I come out just like feeling like 281 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:46.480 a new person. 282 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:49.360 No, you probably come out going That guy is just 283 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:53.799 as messed up as every guy I've ever met. A 284 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:56.519 good time and I'm open to that, by the way, 285 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:58.200 if you ever want to do that. I know. 286 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:03.279 I was talking to Patrick Hickey this week and he's like, 287 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:04.799 what are you going out to La We gotta get 288 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:06.440 together and we'll get Mark and we'll hang out in 289 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:09.039 the backyard and all the things. I was like, okay, great. 290 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:13.039 So every season they do something a little bit different 291 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.120 on Temptation Island, like they brought in that like the 292 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:21.200 Temptation Tent be Haven, okay, which I was like, these 293 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:23.080 are these people so drunk that they didn't realize their 294 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:27.639 microphones are on? But you know whatever. But this year 295 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:30.879 they had the couples got to go to the other 296 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:32.879 place and Spy. 297 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:33.159 Didn't like it. 298 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:35.080 I didn't like it either. 299 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:35.440 Mark. 300 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:37.320 I thought it was such an invasion of privacy. 301 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.639 I didn't like it, Okay, I was that. 302 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:44.679 My thought was, what were your thoughts on that. 303 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.039 I haven't really talked about this and I probably shouldn't 304 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.039 say too much, but look, here's the thing that I 305 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:53.080 think people don't realize. I think what happens is people project. 306 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.399 On me that I'm running the show right right right. 307 00:14:55.799 --> 00:15:00.440 I picked the clips, I have ranged the dates. Yeah, 308 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:03.159 all this stuff and just so that you guys are 309 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:05.279 all aware, I've said it before. You know this, I'm 310 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:08.000 the host. As a matter of fact, you would be 311 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:10.759 shocked to learn how little involvement I have. 312 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:13.639 When you show up in the Bonfire, you're seeing those 313 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:14.679 clips for the first time. 314 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.080 Yeah, I mean sometimes I have an idea what's in them. Yeah, 315 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:19.080 I'm not going to front and. 316 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:22.039 Tell you I'm completely clueless, but I don't watch them 317 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.720 on purpose so that I can say, let's watch it together. 318 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:30.759 But when that idea came down, there were several different 319 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.679 forms of that idea. One was the guys are going 320 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.159 to go in and into the girls villa. The girls 321 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:37.679 would be gone, but the guys would be there. 322 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.919 Ugh, okay, And I looked at them and said, well, 323 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:43.720 that's fraught with danger. 324 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:45.840 But yes, I could kind of get behind. 325 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.559 There's something to be learned by that. So in other words, 326 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:52.440 if they if I could moderate it, yes, then one 327 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.039 might say you get insight about who you're being by 328 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:01.320 men who've had experience with your girls, friendship, sharing what 329 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:03.679 you know, that kind of conversation. There could be growth 330 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:05.200 out of that. I mean, that's a stres. 331 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.159 Citty and talking city and talking. 332 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:09.240 Yeah, if you keep them from beating the shit out 333 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:10.759 of each other, which yeah, by the way, I don't 334 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:11.759 think ever would have happened. 335 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:16.120 That said, the point is the whole show's extreme. 336 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:18.200 If we're gonna sit here and go through the filter 337 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:20.159 of is it true growth and things like that, I 338 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:22.840 think true growth actually happens. But this is not the place, 339 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:25.679 you know. I mean, it is designed to be a 340 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:29.120 TV show, But I have to go through the filter 341 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:33.000 of it is everything I'm doing? Can I literally stand 342 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:36.320 ten toes in? There's something to be learned from this. 343 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:40.120 So that concept of going and meeting the single man 344 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:41.960 I wasn't so down with because I didn't think it 345 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:43.200 was so necessary. 346 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:47.480 But I could find a way to sell it, right, Okay, 347 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:48.440 them going. 348 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:51.919 And rummaging through each other's rooms, I got that that 349 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.440 might be good TV. I couldn't figure out what the 350 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:56.080 lesson might be from that. 351 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:58.279 I didn't like it at all. 352 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:03.360 And watching it, I maybe I was wrong, you know, 353 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.559 maybe i'd take it too seriously. And look, I think 354 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:09.160 my executive producers and the producers do a great job 355 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.319 on our show. I think people would be surprised to 356 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.880 see how little contriving goes on compared to what you think. 357 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:21.079 And I think it's really difficult to make these things 358 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.839 fresh every season. So I applaud my producers for making 359 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:28.079 the show great. Yeah, and I get to say out 360 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:30.119 loud how I feel about certain things and be honest 361 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:32.039 about it. And the fact is I didn't particularly love that. 362 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:36.920 I don't think it was as detrimental as I had 363 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:41.279 feared it would be, but I didn't particularly think it 364 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:43.720 was something I was down for. 365 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.279 Yeah, I didn't like it. I mean, the only thing 366 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:48.480 that was like cute about it I thought was like 367 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:50.960 Someon and Kayley, who I really never thought were gonna 368 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:53.240 make it at all. I thought it was sort of telling. 369 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:55.079 And the fact that she went in his room and 370 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.000 was like, Okay, well this looks like all his stuff 371 00:17:58.079 --> 00:17:59.759 is lined up, and then she was just like I 372 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.200 love you, you know, into the ether, and he went 373 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.519 into her room and kind of snuggled with her, you 374 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:08.000 know thing under bed, and so that was that was cute. 375 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:12.559 But the coal digging through but he had to dig 376 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:15.960 through a suitcase under some clothes to find it. If 377 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.480 it's just out, that's one thing, and he shouldn't have 378 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:20.039 read it even if it was out. But for him 379 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:22.160 to like unzip a suitcase and go through clothes to 380 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.559 find something. I was like, eh, And then he read 381 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:28.079 that journal and yeah, if I was her, i'd be like, well, 382 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:31.839 I'm never at her point was so valid of if 383 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:34.640 you will do this with a camera watching you, what 384 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:36.119 would you do when we're at home. 385 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:37.559 Which, by the way, was a point made to me 386 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:39.400 at one point when I was saying, hey, guys, this 387 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:42.359 is feels, and they were like, you know they lived 388 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:44.640 if they lived together, the journals out he could do 389 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:46.640 the same thing at home, So I said, I kind 390 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:49.680 of get that point. What I found interesting about that 391 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:55.240 beat is that and it really kind of sucks for coal, 392 00:18:56.079 --> 00:19:01.039 but he was actually trying to show what he'd learned 393 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.599 by being fully transparent at the final bonfire. 394 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:06.559 Yeah. Yeah, And. 395 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:10.119 The lesson I didn't get to impart on that is 396 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:14.799 when we're fully transparent with things we have done seen, 397 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.759 we also don't have an In other words, when you 398 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.359 apologize for something you don't always get I forgive you. 399 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:23.799 So we don't apologize for them, we apologize for us. 400 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:26.920 We're not transparent for them, we're transparent for us. And 401 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.240