Speaker 1: Coming to you from Iconic Studio, a at proven winners
Speaker 1: Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified radio
Speaker 1: podcast and YouTube show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick Weist,
Speaker 1: and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, one of
Speaker 1: the fun things to do is impulsively buy some plants,
Speaker 1: not knowing where they're going to go, and the next
Speaker 1: scene you're walking around your yard with a plant in
Speaker 1: one hand a shovel in the other, wondering where you're
Speaker 1: going to put that plant. Many of these plants eventually
Speaker 1: have to move. Fall is a great time of the
Speaker 1: year to move these plants. I say bust to Move
Speaker 1: and bust to Move was a big hit song. It
Speaker 1: means to boogie or hit the road, leave someplace hastily.
Speaker 1: It was hip hop genre nineteen eighty nine Young MC
Speaker 1: and I loved Uncandy in the movie Uncle Buck when
Speaker 1: he dances to bust to Move. But regardless of that,
Speaker 1: there are many reasons to move plants this time of
Speaker 1: the year, but the number one reason to move a plant,
Speaker 1: in my mind, is usually because it's planted too close
Speaker 1: to the house, or it's being shaded by a tree
Speaker 1: or another plant. The goal in moving plants is to
Speaker 1: move a plant to a better location and minimize root loss.
Speaker 1: You provide optimal conditions for regrowth, so the ROI return
Speaker 1: on investment is good. Because if you don't move them,
Speaker 1: odds are you will have to remove them. So why
Speaker 1: not take a chance and bust a move. Many plants
Speaker 1: in my landscape Stacey are eligible for frequent Flyer miles.
Speaker 1: They've moved so many times.
Speaker 2: You know, I think that there is a assumption out
Speaker 2: there among people who don't really garden or plants a lot,
Speaker 2: that gardeners just get everything right the first time, and
Speaker 2: that is definitely not what happens. I have been a
Speaker 2: gardener for many years. I've known many gardeners, I have
Speaker 2: worked for many landscape designers, and I can tell you
Speaker 2: that a garden is never a you know, set it
Speaker 2: and forget it kind of thing. It is the way
Speaker 2: I see my garden, I've finally come to realize, is
Speaker 2: kind of like a never ending audition. And you know,
Speaker 2: you are looking at the you're casting the characters in
Speaker 2: your garden and figuring out where they're going to be
Speaker 2: set and what the scene is going to be, and
Speaker 2: and that never really ends. You know, you do have
Speaker 2: to keep a critical eye. And the fact is that
Speaker 2: most plants can actually withstand being moved pretty well. Yes,
Speaker 2: it will set them back, that is true. Some plants
Speaker 2: can deal with it better than others. But overall, most
Speaker 2: plants they're pretty okay being moved. And if you are
Speaker 2: going to be happier if that plan is moved for
Speaker 2: an of the reasons that you just mentioned, or just
Speaker 2: because you just think it should be at another place.
Speaker 2: And that's what happens to me a lot is you know,
Speaker 2: I get something, I put it in the garden, I
Speaker 2: get to know it, I start seeing, you know, how
Speaker 2: it really grows, because the way it looks in the
Speaker 2: container isn't necessarily representative of how it's actually going to
Speaker 2: be when it's in the ground, and I start to say,
Speaker 2: oh gee, well that would be better with, you know,
Speaker 2: combined with this plant, or I really need more of
Speaker 2: this color in this part of my garden, so I'm
Speaker 2: going to move some things around. And any of those
Speaker 2: are perfectly valid reasons to move stuff around.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, we can debate timing, but I have
Speaker 1: rarely failed at moving a plant late in the season
Speaker 1: in fall, in October November. Maybe in some cases it's
Speaker 1: maybe not the best thing to do, but again, it's
Speaker 1: better than removing the plant all together and moving it
Speaker 1: to a better spot.
Speaker 2: I'd add, very often better than trying to prune it
Speaker 2: exactly to get it to fit into that spot. And
Speaker 2: I think that's people's first instinct often is I'll just
Speaker 2: cut this. But there are many plants that don't respond
Speaker 2: well to pruning or where all of the printing you're
Speaker 2: going to need to do is going to disfigure the plant,
Speaker 2: and you should just you know, kind of do what
Speaker 2: needs to be done and move it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. So move them at this time of
Speaker 1: the year because the plant is not going to be
Speaker 1: putting energy into generating top growth. The soil is warm
Speaker 1: and welcoming to new roots, and of course we get
Speaker 1: natural rainfall. Also, that's a totally different thing if you're
Speaker 1: going to be actually moving the plants to a new location.
Speaker 1: Let's say you've sold your home and putting them in pots.
Speaker 1: And in that case, if you know it's coming, it's
Speaker 1: a good idea to work around the plant with a
Speaker 1: sharp shovel, cutting into the roots and then walking away,
Speaker 1: watering the plant and hopefully over the course of a
Speaker 1: few months starting to establish some new hair roots before
Speaker 1: you put it into the pot. But in some cases
Speaker 1: that's just not possible. So watering the plant well and
Speaker 1: making sure that the plant is not under any drought
Speaker 1: stress before you move it, that's important. The other thing
Speaker 1: I do like to do is prune back plants when
Speaker 1: I move them. It makes it easier for you to
Speaker 1: move the plant, and there's less stress on the plant
Speaker 1: when you move it. My general rule of green thumb
Speaker 1: is take on woody plants, taking fifty percent off the
Speaker 1: top of the plant. Now that's just a rule of thumb,
Speaker 1: but again it reduces stress on the plant. Obviously, with perennials,
Speaker 1: we're going to dig and in some cases use the
Speaker 1: opportunity to divide and then replant. And then of course
Speaker 1: mulch is a very important thing to apply to these
Speaker 1: plants when you move them late in the season, especially perennials,
Speaker 1: because they can heave out of the ground if you
Speaker 1: have an area where there's going to be frost in
Speaker 1: the ground. As a matter of fact, I recommend you
Speaker 1: note on your calendar you got to do those winter
Speaker 1: walk arounds and inspections you got to get out of
Speaker 1: your recliner. I call mine a recliner, but you got
Speaker 1: to get out of that recliner, walk the yard, kind
Speaker 1: of press them back into the earth. Inspect in winter.
Speaker 1: If you're moving some larger plants, Stacy, I like the
Speaker 1: tarp and slide method. I have so much fun moving
Speaker 1: plants and scheming and late fall and say this is
Speaker 1: going to look better over here, and you prepare the
Speaker 1: soil in that area, just as if you were planting
Speaker 1: a new plant, and the other plant, which can be
Speaker 1: rather heavy, you can throw on a tarp after you
Speaker 1: dig it up and do the tarp and slide method.
Speaker 2: Yes, sometimes you got to if it's a really big plant.
Speaker 2: You know, I am doing a lot of moving and
Speaker 2: transplanting this year. Obviously if you tune into us on YouTube,
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of a couple videos about all
Speaker 2: of the renovations and stuff I'm doing in my garden.
Speaker 2: And I have to move two plants that are generally
Speaker 2: not recommended to move.
Speaker 1: Oh what are you moving?
Speaker 2: Summer of a hibiscus and decadence Baptisia oho. And you know,
Speaker 2: everything that I've read says that you should preferably move
Speaker 2: the baptisia in the spring, but I'm doing it in fall.
Speaker 2: And you know, I often tell people you garden in
Speaker 2: the real world. You can sit there and read about
Speaker 2: all the ideals that you want, but ultimately you do
Speaker 2: garden in the real world. And to me, I've decided
Speaker 2: that I would rather move my baptisia in the fall
Speaker 2: and you know, give it plenty of chance to grow
Speaker 2: roots and hopefully maybe if I'm lucky, still get some
Speaker 2: flowers next year. And you know, most of the people,
Speaker 2: most are the things that I was reading, and I
Speaker 2: did not read anything about anything reliable that I would say,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, this is definitely a definitive, you know, take
Speaker 2: on moving baptisia. You know, said the reasons that they
Speaker 2: say spring over fall is because of the potential for
Speaker 2: rot over winter. And I am not worried about that.
Speaker 2: In my extremely saying soil yes, and you know, so
Speaker 2: I'm not really concerned about that, And you know, I
Speaker 2: want to get this head start, so I am going
Speaker 2: ahead and taking the risk. I mean, if you've ever
Speaker 2: tried to move a baptisia, it is not simple. It
Speaker 2: is not easy, even in very sandy soil. So I'm
Speaker 2: not looking forward to it the task itself, but I
Speaker 2: am looking forward to the results.
Speaker 1: There you go a couple of suggestions. Espoma bioactive plant
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Speaker 1: that I use for enhanced root development. So it's just
Speaker 1: a suggestion, but that is a product that I really like.
Speaker 1: It's a starter fertilizer that can be helpful. We mentioned
Speaker 1: the mulch. And also if you're going to do a
Speaker 1: lot of digging and digging some sizable holes, you may
Speaker 1: want to call eight one one, the call before you
Speaker 1: dig number not a bad idea, and of course that
Speaker 1: applies here in the UNI United States eight one one.
Speaker 2: And make sure you give them some notice. You can't
Speaker 2: just be like I'm doing this tomorrow. They do need
Speaker 2: some time because the various utilities do come out individually
Speaker 2: and mark your property. So if you're looking at doing
Speaker 2: some moving around, do it now call them now.
Speaker 1: Good advice. So we'll give you a move. My plant's
Speaker 1: limb a rick. I tried to cram a ten foot
Speaker 1: plant in an area far too scant. What was I thinking?
Speaker 1: That space seems to be shrinking and now it grows
Speaker 1: on a slant that bush. It has to go its
Speaker 1: boundaries overflow. I think a new location will be that
Speaker 1: plant's salvation before it starts to snow. A new location
Speaker 1: would behooved to let this shrub find its groove. Its
Speaker 1: eventual size wasn't foreseen. It's growing through my windows screen.
Speaker 1: It's got to bust a move. So let's get out
Speaker 1: there and move some plants. Let's see how Stacey ties
Speaker 1: this in with plants on trial that's coming up next
Speaker 1: here on the Gardening Simplified Show.
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Speaker 2: gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show,
Speaker 2: where we are talking today about a topic that definitely
Speaker 2: mystifies a lot of people I know. In my years
Speaker 2: here working with gardeners who buy Proven Winners plants and
Speaker 2: trying to help them find the best success, I have
Speaker 2: heard from an awful lot of people who are like,
Speaker 2: can I move this? Should I move this? What are
Speaker 2: my chances for success? How can I set myself best
Speaker 2: for success. It's a very fraught thing. People, you know,
Speaker 2: they get very very nervous. If they kill a plant,
Speaker 2: it's going to be their fault. They're going to feel
Speaker 2: badly about it. And I don't think that for the
Speaker 2: most part, people give credit for plants as being as
Speaker 2: resilient as they actually are.
Speaker 1: As long as you can take as much of the
Speaker 1: root system along with you as you can, in most cases,
Speaker 1: you're going to be successful and do it at the
Speaker 1: right time of the year. And we're saying this is
Speaker 1: a good time of the year.
Speaker 2: To do it right for the same reason it's a
Speaker 2: good time to plant something new and fall. And my
Speaker 2: number one tip that I don't think it's discussed enough
Speaker 2: in terms of moving plants is prepare the new spot
Speaker 2: first as far as you can now. Of course, you
Speaker 2: don't know how big that root ball is going to
Speaker 2: be when you take it out. You can kind of
Speaker 2: roughly guess based on the overall size of the plants,
Speaker 2: but try to minimize the amount of time the plant
Speaker 2: spends out of the ground by digging that new hole first.
Speaker 2: As close as you can approximate it. Of course, you
Speaker 2: can still go in there and finesse it for what
Speaker 2: you're actually dealing with after the fact, but that is
Speaker 2: the that should be your number one step. Over well,
Speaker 2: your number one step should be watering it so it's
Speaker 2: not drought stress when you try to transplit. Number two
Speaker 2: step is to go ahead and get the new spot
Speaker 2: prepared as far as you possibly can, and then start
Speaker 2: digging the other plants.
Speaker 1: A great point, and keep the root shaded.
Speaker 2: Keep the rootshaded, yeah, like a piece of cheese cloth
Speaker 2: or an old sheet or something like that, just because
Speaker 2: you know, you don't really see the little tiny root hars,
Speaker 2: but those will be sizzling and frying even if you're
Speaker 2: doing it on an overcast day because they're they're very sensitive.
Speaker 2: And another fun tip for you here for that I
Speaker 2: find very helpful when transplanting, especially larger things, is to
Speaker 2: take some old tights or nylons, or you can go
Speaker 2: to the dollar store and get them super cheap, and
Speaker 2: they're really nice. They're soft, they're springy, and you can
Speaker 2: use that to just tie your plant up into like
Speaker 2: a big ponytail, and you will get be able to
Speaker 2: get a lot closer into the plant to are digging it.
Speaker 2: It will make it a lot easier to move because
Speaker 2: you're handling the whole plant instead of just one stem
Speaker 2: which can easily break. So those are my top tips
Speaker 2: for transplanting. Now overall, I do think that shrubs are
Speaker 2: some of the easiest plants to move. You know, normally,
Speaker 2: if there is something that doesn't when people say, oh,
Speaker 2: this doesn't take well to transplanting, most often it's because
Speaker 2: the plant is tap rooted. So plants have two basic
Speaker 2: types of roots. They have fibrous root systems and there
Speaker 2: are tap root systems. And a taproot is pretty much
Speaker 2: just what it sounds like. You can more or less
Speaker 2: imagine like a carrot, and that is kind of more
Speaker 2: or less what's happening there. And because those tap roots
Speaker 2: are tend to be thick, they tend to be fleshy,
Speaker 2: they tend to be deep and very very difficult to
Speaker 2: keep intact as you dig, even in sandy soil like ours.
Speaker 2: I mean it can you know the sands, the soils
Speaker 2: collapsing back in on you. If you have clay soil,
Speaker 2: of course, that's just a lot of X you work
Speaker 2: and it makes the plant super super heavy.
Speaker 1: Try to move a yuckup plant.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, actually that's pretty easy. I've done that
Speaker 2: in our in our soil because of the sand. But
Speaker 2: but you will leave some behind, you know, But yuckas
Speaker 2: are super tough. So yeah, I don't I don't think
Speaker 2: you can kill a yucku maybe yeah, I don't even
Speaker 2: know if you could kill it through flooding. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so overall, shrubs have fibrous root systems that make them
Speaker 2: very easy to move. Plus they are multi stemmed. So
Speaker 2: even if there's some damage, which of course there will
Speaker 2: be no matter how careful you are, there's going to
Speaker 2: be some root damage. Shrubs deal very well with being
Speaker 2: cut back or you know, you could take out some
Speaker 2: of the stems to reduce the amount of you know,
Speaker 2: top growth that you have, because of course, the roots
Speaker 2: and the top growth grow in proportion to one another.
Speaker 2: So if you have reduced the roots, you should ideally
Speaker 2: reduce the top to kind of compensate for that root loss,
Speaker 2: as Rick said, But of course, even among shrubs, there
Speaker 2: are some exceptions. Although today's plant on trial is one
Speaker 2: of those exceptions, it's also not exactly a shrub. The
Speaker 2: plant on trial today is diamond ball clemitis, and this
Speaker 2: is a plant that is in the proven Winter's color
Speaker 2: choice shrubs line because it is a woody clematis. So
Speaker 2: some clemitists that stand by me cleminists from proven winters,
Speaker 2: those are perennial. They actually die back completely to the ground,
Speaker 2: so there's nothing left above ground over winter and they
Speaker 2: come back from the roots the following year, whereas the
Speaker 2: woody vining clematists like we sell like diamond ball, actually
Speaker 2: create a very thin but woody stem and that's what
Speaker 2: vines and twines around. And overall, Clematis are plants that
Speaker 2: you definitely want to plant in their final destination.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and who doesn't love clematis or clematis I'm good
Speaker 1: either way. We can't pronounce it, but who doesn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's like not loving coffee or chocolate or.
Speaker 2: Pizza, right, I mean they are beautiful. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people feel very frustrated about clematis because of
Speaker 2: the roots. So these same qualities that make it a
Speaker 2: plant that's difficult to transplant also make it a plant
Speaker 2: that's difficult to kind of make it happy. And so
Speaker 2: I've talked about it on the show before. But the
Speaker 2: roots of colmatis are not really like anything else that
Speaker 2: you see, and all you have to do is plant
Speaker 2: one and you will get it an up close and
Speaker 2: personal look at what this actually means. So they're very
Speaker 2: very thick, they're very fleshy, and they almost look like ropes.
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of a corollary when I
Speaker 2: was thinking about this for today's show. They're a little
Speaker 2: bit like the brace roots on corn. So if you've
Speaker 2: ever grown corn, corn has two types of roots. It
Speaker 2: has fibrous roots that it starts to help absorb nutrients,
Speaker 2: and then it creates these thick, fleshy brace roots anchor
Speaker 2: roots that help it prevent from going in the winter.
Speaker 2: And it's very much like that with clematis. Like diamond
Speaker 2: ball woody clemtist have this base of the plant and
Speaker 2: it just has this kind of like octopus tentacle like
Speaker 2: outgrowth of roots coming from it. Now, those thick and
Speaker 2: fleshy roots establish very very well throughout the soil, and
Speaker 2: so you have to it's they're also quite brittle, so
Speaker 2: trying to dig them is very hard. You also don't
Speaker 2: have the predictability like you have with something like if
Speaker 2: you're trying to move say a nine bark or something
Speaker 2: like that, where you say, okay, this is roughly the
Speaker 2: space that this plant takes up. You know, the clematis
Speaker 2: is vining and winding and going all over the place,
Speaker 2: so it's much harder to tell, like what that diameter
Speaker 2: of the root system is. And then finally, because those
Speaker 2: roots are so thick and fleshy, they take a lot
Speaker 2: of energy for the plant to grow and produce. So
Speaker 2: if they are damaged, and again no matter how careful
Speaker 2: you are, they are going to be damaged somewhat takes
Speaker 2: a long time for it to recover from any damage
Speaker 2: because it takes so much more energy. Do you create
Speaker 2: those roots?
Speaker 1: We should say, Stacey that if you're planting a new
Speaker 1: clematis or clematis, this is one of those plants that's
Speaker 1: notorious for being a sleep creep leaf plant. Probably the
Speaker 1: same case if.
Speaker 2: You move it, absolutely same kind of thing that so
Speaker 2: sleep clean sleep creep leap takes the plant a while
Speaker 2: to develop a good roots system and begin to perform
Speaker 2: well for the same reason. So overall, these are just
Speaker 2: plants that just need to put a lot of resources
Speaker 2: into their roots. Now, I could have picked any of
Speaker 2: the proven Winter's Clematists proven Winter's color choice woody clematists
Speaker 2: to discuss for today's plan on trial. But I picked
Speaker 2: diamond Ball. It's a really interesting clematist. So it has big,
Speaker 2: kind of round ball like flowers. It's very doubled, so
Speaker 2: highly doubled they almost look like a dahlia really or
Speaker 2: something like that. And the flowers are just this beautiful, cool,
Speaker 2: icy blue color. You really have to see it to
Speaker 2: believe it. And I was inspired today thinking about the
Speaker 2: clemitis and a planting that we used to have in
Speaker 2: our trial garden where we had a black lace elderberry
Speaker 2: and a diamond ball clematis had been allowed to kind
Speaker 2: of wind and grow its way through the black lace elderberry,
Speaker 2: and the contrast of the icy bluey purple flowers on
Speaker 2: diamond bull clematis with a black foliage of the elderberry
Speaker 2: was just absolutely beautiful. And so this goes back to
Speaker 2: one of those things where you might just say, well, gee,
Speaker 2: I have a diamond ball clematist. It's not like doing
Speaker 2: that great or I'm not that happy with it, and
Speaker 2: you might want to try something else, and you might
Speaker 2: want to attempt to transplant a clemitist. Now again, after
Speaker 2: everything that I've just said, these are just things you
Speaker 2: need to be aware of. I'm not saying it's impossible
Speaker 2: to successfully transplant a clematist, but it is something that
Speaker 2: is definitely not recommended. So if you're thinking about adding one,
Speaker 2: I would say, consider you using a plant that you
Speaker 2: already have in your garden as its structure, rather than
Speaker 2: you know, trying to get it growing up something else
Speaker 2: that you might have to change or move or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's just a great way to get a lot more
Speaker 2: impact out of a little bit of space. So just
Speaker 2: to thought there, if you do want to try moving clemenis,
Speaker 2: I would definitely try that in the fall so that
Speaker 2: it had a chance to you know, regrow those roots
Speaker 2: and recover before tests. To think about, you know, growing
Speaker 2: out in the spring. And of course anytime you transplant
Speaker 2: something this is important make sure you give it extra
Speaker 2: time in spring to leaf out. If you're transplanting in fall,
Speaker 2: it very often will take longer to leaf out than
Speaker 2: it would have if it had just been undisturbed. But briefly,
Speaker 2: since we are talking about diamondball cleminists specifically, you can
Speaker 2: see pictures of it on YouTube or in our show
Speaker 2: notes at Gardening Simplified on Air dot Com. It's going
Speaker 2: to find to roughly four to five feet tall and wide,
Speaker 2: hard to USDA zones four through nine, generally pretty dear
Speaker 2: resistant kind of plant. And of course well soil is essential,
Speaker 2: so don't even think about planting or transplanting a columbus,
Speaker 2: and then you can give it very well drained soil.
Speaker 1: And like any clematists, you want to mulch at the base, right.
Speaker 2: Got a mulch, Although the nice thing is if you
Speaker 2: plant it adjacent to a shrub like I was just
Speaker 2: talking about with the black lace, that can kind of
Speaker 2: also function to shade those roots and keep the plant happy.
Speaker 2: So check it out Gardening Simplified on Air dot Com.
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Speaker 2: There's a contact farm right there. You can even attach
Speaker 2: a photo. And you know, I know that today's topic
Speaker 2: of moving plants is one that people do have a
Speaker 2: lot of questions on. And you know, I very typically,
Speaker 2: very often have said on the show when in doubt,
Speaker 2: don't And I think when it comes to moving plants,
Speaker 2: because you do. When you are moving a plant, it's
Speaker 2: usually because you have discovered that you know, again, like
Speaker 2: you said, it's too big for the area, it's not
Speaker 2: doing well, it's not doing as well as you had hoped,
Speaker 2: and you think that if it has more sun or
Speaker 2: more better drained soil or whatever, that it will do better.
Speaker 2: Or you just want to see it in a different
Speaker 2: location in your garden. You don't feel like the location
Speaker 2: that you originally chose is doing it justice. And you
Speaker 2: can take it from Rick and myself that that is
Speaker 2: something that happens all the time to gardeners. So you
Speaker 2: know you have to all also use your best judgment,
Speaker 2: and so you have to kind of think about what
Speaker 2: are the parameters that like, what would go into moving
Speaker 2: it now, what are the advantages and disadvantage, what are
Speaker 2: the risks, what are the benefits versus doing something in spring,
Speaker 2: and kind of make a decision based on that. I
Speaker 2: know that's not always easy, but if you do have
Speaker 2: a question, you can always reach us. And I specifically
Speaker 2: picked a bunch of questions about moving plants today.
Speaker 1: Oh that's great, and yeah, Cheryl Crow had that great
Speaker 1: song A change will do you good. I find that
Speaker 1: often with plants. Sometimes if a plant is struggling, if
Speaker 1: I move it, I change its environment, it responds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's different conditions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Amy writes to us, would it be
Speaker 1: better to move my summerrific high biscus in the fall
Speaker 1: or spring?
Speaker 2: Great? Question could not be better timed, Amy, since I
Speaker 2: am moving a number of summer high biscus myself this fall,
Speaker 2: and I am doing it in fall simply because that's
Speaker 2: when I have time. And that is often a case
Speaker 2: if you have a big garden and have a lot
Speaker 2: of different plants. You sometimes move things just when you
Speaker 2: have time to do it. And also I feel that
Speaker 2: the summerific Hibiscus will benefit from the establishment period for
Speaker 2: rooting in the fall, and that will set them up
Speaker 2: for a less disappointing from my perspective summer because they're
Speaker 2: going to have more rooting time. Or for if I
Speaker 2: do it in spring, you know, they're they're starting to grow,
Speaker 2: They've they're like, what just happened to me? I just
Speaker 2: lost a bunch of roots, Whereas now they can kind
Speaker 2: of recover from that, and they will have several weeks
Speaker 2: to recover. But of course if you do it in spring,
Speaker 2: that is perfectly fine. I have certainly transplanted summarific Hibiscus
Speaker 2: in spring, no problem. They didn't necessarily flower super well
Speaker 2: that following season, which is again normal, Like you have
Speaker 2: to expect when you put a plant through this that
Speaker 2: there is going to be some kind of drawback. But
Speaker 2: usually I would say I have seen thing bounce back,
Speaker 2: you know, after their first year.
Speaker 1: And if you move them right now, air temperatures cooled down.
Speaker 1: It's cooling down. It's not the heat of summer, but
Speaker 1: the soil's nice and warm, it'll establish roots. I agree
Speaker 1: with you. They're off to the races.
Speaker 2: In summer, right, so Amy, I would say, from a
Speaker 2: plant health perspective, both fall and spring are equally good
Speaker 2: for some horrific hibiscus. So base it on when you
Speaker 2: have time as your schedule allows.
Speaker 1: Joan writes to us five years ago, I planted a
Speaker 1: Japanese maple and a nine bark next to each other
Speaker 1: or near each other. Now it is a big block
Speaker 1: of red in my garden. Which one should I move?
Speaker 1: They are both beautiful.
Speaker 2: Ah, she has a real dilemma of paris here. So
Speaker 2: I would say, unequivocally move the nine bark. You know,
Speaker 2: as I said when I was talking about plants on trial.
Speaker 2: As I said when I was talking about plants on trial,
Speaker 2: shrubs generally how a fibrous root system. Because they are
Speaker 2: multi stemmed, they can recover from being moved a lot
Speaker 2: more easily than a single stemmed tree. Is I mean,
Speaker 2: think about when you go to a garden center, most
Speaker 2: of the shrubs are being grown in containers, and most
Speaker 2: of those trees very often are still in ball and
Speaker 2: burlap situation. So that kind of shows you that to
Speaker 2: move a tree, it's a bigger job. Trees generally have
Speaker 2: much bigger, more broad ranging root systems than shrubs do.
Speaker 2: Trees also tend to put out big, thick anchor roots
Speaker 2: that if those get damaged or though when you're moving something,
Speaker 2: you're really going to have some trouble on your hand.
Speaker 2: So I would say in this case, the Japanese maple
Speaker 2: is going to be far more sensitive to being moved
Speaker 2: than the nine bark, which is just going to probably
Speaker 2: not even skip a beat. If anything, you'll probably be
Speaker 2: grateful that it did get slightly set back because nine
Speaker 2: bar can be extremely vigorous shrubs.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and a Japanese maple is going to be more
Speaker 1: difficult for you to move than a nine bark. A
Speaker 1: nine bark you could prune back hard. A nine bark
Speaker 1: will respond well to pruning full agreement, move the nine bark.
Speaker 2: So if you find yourself in a similar situation to Joan,
Speaker 2: definitely opt for the shrub instead of a tree. You
Speaker 2: will be glad that you did.
Speaker 1: Stacy Valerie's asking us about let's see interested in knowing
Speaker 1: more about the shrubby horse chestnut tree you showed on
Speaker 1: one of your episodes.
Speaker 2: Yes, well I could not resist asking or answering valeries
Speaker 2: question here And this was in a garden tour, So
Speaker 2: I don't even think it was in a garden tour
Speaker 2: that we did this year. I think it was one
Speaker 2: that we did last year when Reckon I went out
Speaker 2: to our trial gardens and I talked about one of
Speaker 2: my favorite favorite plants that is in our trial gardens.
Speaker 2: It is not a proven winner's plant, and it is
Speaker 2: ess parvaflora, the bottle brush buckeye, and oh it is
Speaker 2: one of my all time top five favorite plants. Absolutely
Speaker 2: love this thing. It is a native shrub and it's
Speaker 2: so it's most people, I think think of buckeyes as trees,
Speaker 2: which is not wrong, but this is actually a shrubby
Speaker 2: kind of suckering one. And the way that it has
Speaker 2: grown in our trial garden is it almost creates kind
Speaker 2: of like a little space underneath. And when this thing
Speaker 2: is in flower, oh my gosh, it just puts out
Speaker 2: these like two foot long flower spikes that are fragrant,
Speaker 2: absolutely swarming with pollinators. And then those flowers become buckeyes.
Speaker 2: And who doesn't love to pick up a nice buckeye
Speaker 2: and walk around with that in your hand. It's it's something.
Speaker 1: Well, we do have to tell folks from all over Canada,
Speaker 1: across the world here in the United States that in
Speaker 1: Michigan the Buckeyes subjects a little bit sensitive. There's this
Speaker 1: real rivalry between Michigan and Ohio and sometimes things can
Speaker 1: get just downright deflorable.
Speaker 2: Well that is true, but I'm not talking about the
Speaker 2: Ohio State football team. I am talking about the plant
Speaker 2: known as buckeye, scientifically known as esculus uh. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a great plant. Now, this is a plan I
Speaker 2: have to say. I don't have one in my garden
Speaker 2: because it is just too big. They are huge and
Speaker 2: they start to sucker and form a big, big colony
Speaker 2: over a wide area of space. So I don't, unfortunately
Speaker 2: have room for it. And that's also why you typically
Speaker 2: don't see it in garden centers is because it's really
Speaker 2: just one of those plants. It's you know, too big
Speaker 2: for most yards. But if you have a native plant
Speaker 2: nursery near you, they might sell it. You might be
Speaker 2: able to find one online. And if you have a space,
Speaker 2: well I'm jealous because it is easily one of my
Speaker 2: favorite plants.
Speaker 1: So Fore, people keeping score at home. Can you give
Speaker 1: us that botanical name again?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's Esculus parva flora, the bottlebrush.
Speaker 1: Buckeye Aesculus parva flora. That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a beautiful plant too.
Speaker 1: I love it all right. Mary writes to us, could
Speaker 1: you address monarch butterflies and milkweed plants native to our area?
Speaker 1: That would help them. I'd love to do my part
Speaker 1: in my small backyard. Sorry to see them on the
Speaker 1: endangered list. I came across this website, found it helpful.
Speaker 1: What do you think, so, Mary writes to us, And boy,
Speaker 1: this is a topic that's right in my wheelhouse, Stacey,
Speaker 1: because I have monarchs just all over my yard, and
Speaker 1: we have a lot of native so that'd be Esclepias syriaca. Yeah, Syriacus, yeah,
Speaker 1: syriacus here along the lake shore in Michigan.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there are a number of native milkweeds out there,
Speaker 2: and escapist siriacus, of course, is the one that is
Speaker 2: most widespread. That is not one you typically see for
Speaker 2: sale because you kind of can't not grow it. And
Speaker 2: one of the reasons that I really wanted to address
Speaker 2: Mary's question is because everyone wants to plant milkweed. But
Speaker 2: milkweed is not a plant that does well under nursery production.
Speaker 2: And so what happens is people go into the nursery
Speaker 2: with grandiose ideas if they're going to plant a milkweed garden,
Speaker 2: and then they get there and they're like, ooh, these
Speaker 2: plants look awful. I'm not growing this thing. But the
Speaker 2: fact is it just does not do well. And the
Speaker 2: reason that milkweed does not do well in containers in
Speaker 2: a nursery production environment is because it is a tap root.
Speaker 2: So on our show all about moving plants, milkweed are
Speaker 2: plants that you should not move. They don't take well
Speaker 2: to moving because again of that tap roop. So, Mary,
Speaker 2: my advice to you would actually be to get seed now.
Speaker 2: If you're trying to just grow our native milkweed, which
Speaker 2: is great for monarchs, again, you can just go and
Speaker 2: take a handful of those and you can plant that
Speaker 2: seed right now where you on it to grow, and
Speaker 2: it will. Trust me, you will have milkweed next year.
Speaker 2: But if you have friends with milkweed, or you can
Speaker 2: find other milkweeds in a place where you can collect
Speaker 2: the seed, Like I'm thinking of our native orange milkweed
Speaker 2: Esclepias tubarosa. The best thing you can do is to
Speaker 2: start those from seeds. So if you can order some,
Speaker 2: fall would be a great time to plant those. You
Speaker 2: could also plant them in spring if you prefer. And
Speaker 2: they're pretty easy to plant. The seeds are easy to handle.
Speaker 2: And I have grown Escleapias tu barosa from seed successfully
Speaker 2: and it's done really really well.
Speaker 1: And here on YouTube or on the website if you're
Speaker 1: listening to the radio or podcast, I'm going to share
Speaker 1: a picture of milkweed seed, a picture I took on
Speaker 1: the beach recently of a milkweed pod breaking open. Love milkweed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a cool plant, fabulous and I can't
Speaker 2: personally resist if I'm walking in the woods or a
Speaker 2: field or whatever, I can't resist exit tappen them and
Speaker 2: sending that fluff the parachute.
Speaker 1: Love that which has a great story behind it too.
Speaker 2: Someday we'll tech, we'll get into that. So Mary, lots
Speaker 2: of great choices. We have a number of native milkweeds
Speaker 2: to Michigan. But again, get your seed grown from seed.
Speaker 2: You will be a lot happier with the results and
Speaker 2: the cost. So we're going to take a little break.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. It's time for
Speaker 1: branching news. And today we've talked about moving plants in
Speaker 1: your landscape, and it got me to thinking about moving.
Speaker 1: And I had recently seen a survey that well, it
Speaker 1: caught my eye and the survey the essentially said one
Speaker 1: in four Americans consider moving to be a more stressful
Speaker 1: endeavor than landing a plane in an emergency.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you had me into landing a plane
Speaker 2: and emergency. No, I would much rather move. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that's totally ridiculous. However, that's what the survey says.
Speaker 1: A recent survey of Americans who have moved in the
Speaker 1: last five years investigated the overwhelming task of moving and
Speaker 1: found that more than a few startling answers to some
Speaker 1: moving related would you rathers came up. Respondents rated moving
Speaker 1: as more overwhelming than losing a job, switching careers, and
Speaker 1: even running for president. Now, I don't know how many
Speaker 1: people have run for president or how they'd know what
Speaker 1: it's like to run for president, but that's out there.
Speaker 2: Wow, they really hate moving.
Speaker 1: I guess. So the average America has already moved five
Speaker 1: times in their lifetime, expect to move three more times
Speaker 1: in the future. So that's a lot of digging up
Speaker 1: of plants and moving them. And let me mention that
Speaker 1: any good realtor also is going to remind you that
Speaker 1: if you sell your house, you can't just dig up
Speaker 1: those plants and take them along with you. You can't
Speaker 1: do that unless you've noted that in the agreement prior
Speaker 1: to closing the sale on the house. It's tempting to
Speaker 1: bring along those babies. I know in my life when
Speaker 1: I've moved, generally the fam you know, it's we got
Speaker 1: everything cleared out, the families inside the house, reminiscing, thinking
Speaker 1: about all the wonderful memories Christmases past, that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: getting emotional about leaving this home I'm outside in the
Speaker 1: garden getting emotional and saying goodbye to my plan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just the way you do.
Speaker 2: See that in certain real estate listings, seller reserves the
Speaker 2: right to certain plantings, that kind of thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: I would do that now if I moved. I never
Speaker 2: had to do that because I didn't. I was renting
Speaker 2: before I moved in this house, so I didn't have to.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if I move now. But I also think
Speaker 2: that probably my garden would be a detriment to any
Speaker 2: prospective buyer. They would just be like, there are too
Speaker 2: many plants.
Speaker 1: I've heard that before from people buying my home, And yeah,
Speaker 1: you drive by a year later and seventy five percent
Speaker 1: of the plants are gone.
Speaker 2: So their loss.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard. So yeah, you just you're out there
Speaker 1: and you're getting kind of emotional about the whole process.
Speaker 1: But yes, anything that's a fixed has to stay unless
Speaker 1: it's noted in the agreement. So for example, if you
Speaker 1: have one of those basketball hoops that you can roll around,
Speaker 1: well you can take that with you, but if it's
Speaker 1: in the ground, it stays. The poll revealed that the
Speaker 1: average American feels anxiety, excitement those topped the list of
Speaker 1: emotions felt during the moving process. Joy, hope, and dread
Speaker 1: were also on the list. So just fascinating stuff as
Speaker 1: it relates to moving. Here's an interesting news story in
Speaker 1: Idaho man and I want to try this, and Idaho
Speaker 1: man walked over one thousand, one hundred feet with a
Speaker 1: running lawnmower on his chin. It's amazing to see. We're
Speaker 1: going to put the link at the website Gardeningsimplified on
Speaker 1: air dot com. And I throw this in here because
Speaker 1: it's probably something for most people they've never thought of.
Speaker 2: I would say that I certainly haven't.
Speaker 1: Serial record breaker David Rush took a seventy eight foot
Speaker 1: and five point seventy three inch walk with a running
Speaker 1: lawn balanced on his chin to break a world record.
Speaker 1: He's the holder of the most concurrent Guinness World Record titles.
Speaker 1: Using an electric more to attempt the record at a
Speaker 1: track in Boise, Idaho. The record to beat was two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty four feet, so he smashed it. He
Speaker 1: struggled with wins after surpassing the previous record and would
Speaker 1: have kept going, but the breeze finally pushed the mower
Speaker 1: off his face. An assistant walking alongside. Rush quickly cut
Speaker 1: the power to the mower as it fell. So new
Speaker 1: world record balancing a lawnmower on your chin.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that is worth the risk of injury.
Speaker 2: I agree, was there a blade in it? I was running?
Speaker 2: But did they say that, yes, but there doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be a blade in it?
Speaker 1: Good point. I better go back and sure.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious because it's true.
Speaker 1: What is your motivation? I wouldn't really want to be
Speaker 1: in the Guinness Book of World Records that much, not
Speaker 1: for that mister Rush does. So there you go. How
Speaker 1: about a horticultural history moment. Robert Prince founded the Prince
Speaker 1: Nursery in seventeen thirty seven, So this is something to
Speaker 1: look up, maybe do a little study on, because this
Speaker 1: is a nursery that operated for one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: years until eighteen sixty five. And if you think eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty five, well, Civil War period and families of course
Speaker 1: were torn apart and that probably was the demise of it.
Speaker 1: But it was the first major commercial nursery in the
Speaker 1: United States. It was responsible for importing plants from Europe,
Speaker 1: sending American plants abroad, especially during the seventeen twenties, thirties forties.
Speaker 1: Really interesting how the Prince family there would write letters
Speaker 1: to see captains asking for their help obtaining new plants
Speaker 1: for I'm abroad. And then of course some very famous
Speaker 1: people visited the nursery. President George Washington visited the nursery,
Speaker 1: also Thomas Jefferson, So it was a big deal at
Speaker 1: the time. And they had the first known ads for
Speaker 1: nursery plants and the first catalog which was published in
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy one. So the Prince Nursery, So this would
Speaker 1: be in New York, the first garden center, nursery, greenhouse,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it that we all love
Speaker 1: to shop at there in history, founded in seventeen thirty seven.
Speaker 1: So just something fun to read about in research.
Speaker 2: Did they sell in chimes.
Speaker 1: They didn't sell wind chimes. They probably they didn't sell
Speaker 1: barberries or cannas well.
Speaker 2: They could have. I suppose it's possible.
Speaker 1: I guess they were really big into fruit trees, and
Speaker 1: of course that was the big thing at the time.
Speaker 2: Well you need you know, it was not a luxury,
Speaker 2: it was a necessity then, and you know, water wasn't drinkable,
Speaker 2: so everybody was drinking cider. You got it, got to
Speaker 2: have your own supply.
Speaker 1: Yeah. As a matter of fact, Thomas Jefferson broke away
Speaker 1: to visit the nursery and indicated for whatever reason, that
Speaker 1: he was taking this trip for health reasons. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. Fall is synonymous with the roasted vegetables season.
Speaker 1: Do you like roasted?
Speaker 2: Love them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? After months of only craving salads, we want tender
Speaker 1: caramelized vegetables, roasted root vegetables, anyone, it's the season. Mix
Speaker 1: and match carrots, parsnips, sweet potatoes, beats, turnips, root of begas.
Speaker 1: A British man broke a Guinness World record with a
Speaker 1: thirteen pound root vegetable called a solariac. Oh, it's either
Speaker 1: weight or length for a giant vegetable. But it's not beauty.
Speaker 1: It's pretty ugly, as he joked in a BBC radio interview.
Speaker 1: But that's a root vegetable that you don't hear a
Speaker 1: lot about.
Speaker 2: No, it's more popular in like Germany. They use it
Speaker 2: in a lot of German food and it's delicious. I
Speaker 2: do like it, but man, I tell you, they are
Speaker 2: pretty obsessed with growing giant vegetables in the Ukay, we've
Speaker 2: got our giant pumpkins. That's like the US thing. But
Speaker 2: over there it's like you can grow the biggest onion.
Speaker 2: Who can grow the biggest it's a brew of baga.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the biggest cucumber. Yeah, it's a big deal there. Finally,
Speaker 1: leave the leaves moment raking up. Of course, my good
Speaker 1: friend Neil Sedaka always saying raking up is hard to do.
Speaker 1: And unless you've been living under a pile of leaves,
Speaker 1: you've no doubt heard about the leave the leaves movement
Speaker 1: that's been gaining popularity in recent years. Now it's not
Speaker 1: practical to leave the leaves on a lawn. It's going
Speaker 1: to smother the lawn, especially under snow. Now you can
Speaker 1: grind up the leaves and be successful. I find up
Speaker 1: quite a few leaves. If you have a good more
Speaker 1: with a ninja blade on it more, which will basically
Speaker 1: take the leaves and cut them into fine pieces, then
Speaker 1: you can be successful with it. But there's this real
Speaker 1: movement of leaving the leaves for beneficial insects. And when
Speaker 1: you think about it again, as far as our yards
Speaker 1: are concerned, you'll see some yards where it's just cleaned
Speaker 1: up meticulously, and it is arguable that that's not necessarily natural.
Speaker 2: It's definitely not natural. Some people prefer that, and they
Speaker 2: just have this idea in their head that, like, you know,
Speaker 2: when winter comes, the garden should be a wasteland, and
Speaker 2: it's not really like that exactly. I leave the leaves.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have a lot to worry about anymore,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I would just mow right before. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's better for every It's free fertilizer, especially when you
Speaker 2: have lean, sandy soils like ours.
Speaker 1: I recommend people go out and collect leaves like I
Speaker 1: do in the fall and use them, grind them up
Speaker 1: and use them in your garden and landscape. Yes, money
Speaker 1: does grow on trees. Thank you Stacey, it's been fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you Adrianna, and thanks most of all to you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching us on YouTube, listening to the podcast,
Speaker 1: listening to us on radio. Make sure to visit our website,
Speaker 1: Gardeningsimplified on air dot com. Have a great week.