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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen. What? What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Howdi folks? Your host double j back here, host of

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<v Speaker 1>Operation GCD not the Vice President for another Fridays with

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<v Speaker 1>my co host Nick from the Occult Rejects. Nick Kay doing, sir?

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>I wait?

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<v Speaker 1>Doing well? Doing well? Excited for another Fridays with our

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<v Speaker 1>guests here, Hearty Love, host of the Unfiltered podcast. How

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<v Speaker 1>you doing, Heidie, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 4>Other than this voice, you know how it is that Yeah, joined.

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<v Speaker 1>Us here for a Fridays. I'm definitely excited, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as a former Mormon myself for the first twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>of my life, I'm excited to talk Mormon stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>as I point out to you, like I got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Mormon stuff going on in my family tree too,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's some some something I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>regarding the origin story or the the uh the church's

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<v Speaker 1>official story of the origin story of the Mormon Church,

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<v Speaker 1>which I have a good I've uh kind of collected

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<v Speaker 1>a large volume of, you know, circumstantial evidence that claims

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<v Speaker 1>that's bullshit. So definitely excited to talk to you about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, at the Unfiltered Rise is that that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of your main that's your wheelhouse, right, parabolittics and Mormon biz, right, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I love anything that gets down the rabbit hole and

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<v Speaker 2>gets me lost. Unfiltered Rise everywhere podcasts are served. I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely am all about the JFK right now, not just

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<v Speaker 2>I could care less really who pulled the trigger? I

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<v Speaker 2>just want the background, right, right, and so yeah, all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff, and of course Mormons, because they're always involved,

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<v Speaker 2>They're everywhere, They're everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick, I'm obviously partial, but I I thoroughly enjoyed the

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<v Speaker 1>series we've recently done here with with Heidie on the

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<v Speaker 1>Occult Rejects. Regarding all this more politics.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is some deep stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean really taking her series in Justin's series, I

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<v Speaker 5>I should tell you right there, something severely wrong. It's

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<v Speaker 5>the situation, right, it's not through yah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boys, a religion relative well, go ahead, and Nichols said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a religion.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's it's so well, I mean it's something orright,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an ancient alien cargo cult.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the one thing that I find fascinating with all

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<v Speaker 1>these topics from the nineteen sixties and seventies surrounding Howard

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<v Speaker 1>Hughes permadex JFK ll RFK stuff. All this stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>seems relevant still today given the characters involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Oh for sure, Roy cones all over that. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we get that who does that go to? Not

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<v Speaker 2>the vice president but the president?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, kidding, weird.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just talking about that picture you share, what

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<v Speaker 1>you shared on that last show. We were talking Cone

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<v Speaker 1>when he's got done. I think it's Roy's fifty second

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<v Speaker 1>birthday at Studio fifty four.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, people said that's fake. It's true. You guys can

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<v Speaker 4>look that up. It's real.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>He dressed up for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, that's I'm familiar with that. That whole party,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the Studio fifty four party for his birthday. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's a in studying Roy Cone because David Burka

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<v Speaker 1>once claims he was a member of the process, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in an assignment memorandum in the nineties, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know that obviously I was interested in coming beforehand.

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<v Speaker 1>That that you know, takes up a few notches from

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<v Speaker 1>perm index to the Son of Sam, you know, apparatus

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventies to the Lord knows what else in

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<v Speaker 1>that in that scene that he was involved in. You know, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pooh harch comes up, and who's pooh Harrich like

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<v Speaker 2>attached with this whole thing with the other guy that

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<v Speaker 2>kept Bryant and then Bryant's attached with the Boston strangler.

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<v Speaker 4>I just say, it's everybody, right, all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you think who do you think replaced Roy

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<v Speaker 1>Cone in the network? Right? He died back in ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>right of aids. He obviously someone replaced him in the

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that that scene or that Colt scene

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<v Speaker 1>or the gay underground Mafius scene, whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 1>call it, or this wetwork guy. See, I mean he

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<v Speaker 1>was connected to everything. He was the legal counsel for

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<v Speaker 1>the McCarthy hearings.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, dirty deeds done, dirt cheap, He's all over that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's everywhere, man.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know it could be somebody that is religious, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because he did have a huge religious background, despite not

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<v Speaker 2>being religious himself. Right, they owned a bank, They had

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<v Speaker 2>a Jewish background.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, what about Roger Stone? You think that's introduced

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<v Speaker 1>Donald and Roy Cone? Right, was Roger Stone?

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<v Speaker 4>That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's why they met.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think, Nick, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Think replaced the old the old cone where he knows

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<v Speaker 2>where all the bodies are.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know even guess who could be doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking of the spiag the Mob, and not not

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<v Speaker 1>too far separated from all this cult business, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>fella in Hollywood called Norby Waltters. He did something for

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<v Speaker 1>like fifty years called the Best Dress whatever the Emmys

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<v Speaker 1>or name whatever, god forsaken a word show they do there.

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<v Speaker 1>But this it was big and popularizing fashion and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. You know, he was he was the go

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<v Speaker 1>to guy. Well, when he passed, he passed the torch

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<v Speaker 1>on to Roger Stone, which I find interesting because Norby

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<v Speaker 1>Walters was deeply connected to the Mob. In fact, he

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<v Speaker 1>did my long old Michael franchisee the guy who's the

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<v Speaker 1>underboss to the the c Columbo crime family, and I

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<v Speaker 1>say the under or Sunny Francheese would do such weird

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<v Speaker 1>things as financing the film Deep Throat in nineteen seventies

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<v Speaker 1>through the first Philography, which which premiered that he processed

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<v Speaker 1>Church Theater in West Hollywood, so a lot. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>that far off from all these weird activities, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, just new players all the time. Yeah, they just

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<v Speaker 2>get new bodies in there, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Roger Stone seems uniquely like sitting in a weird

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<v Speaker 1>position politically, kind of you know, underworldly, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, yep, the underground.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a whole nother world that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>always get to see, but it's definitely there. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>go away. I find it interesting. I wonder where Jared

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<v Speaker 2>Birchall plays into all this.

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<v Speaker 4>You know who I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>He must financier financial advisor that doesn't deserve to have

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<v Speaker 2>that position by schooling. He is Mormon, and he is

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk's financial advisor. I do wonder, yes, sir, yes, sir, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that they met at the boring company digging holes together,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like our friend Joseph.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, scout right.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh he's a good boy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure. He served an overseas mission probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a good Mormon. Got to get that eagle scout

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<v Speaker 1>right there.

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<v Speaker 2>It is there, it is, Yep, you gotta do itsman's

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<v Speaker 2>an eagle scout.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's his relations to Frank William Gay the guy

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<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about with Hughes.

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<v Speaker 2>Gay is not not a part of him. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do know the Gay Dynasty lives on. The Gay Dynasty

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<v Speaker 2>lives on.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked that because, yeah, I didn't really know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about the guy. I learned a lot from you

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<v Speaker 1>in that series. Hey, but I'm scrolling through here at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of this Jared Birchall Wikipedia entryue you know

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<v Speaker 1>the source of all information on the interwebs, He says here.

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<v Speaker 1>See also Frank William Gay, an LDS member who was

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<v Speaker 1>a corporate Are they just making a relative comparison? You

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<v Speaker 1>think he's he's he is the Elon musk Is Gay

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<v Speaker 1>was the Hughes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that out. Yeah, I do know that

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<v Speaker 2>he did get the position very much like he did

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<v Speaker 2>because he was just I couldn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>You typed it too much.

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<v Speaker 4>I am the worst. It's good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's mostly the boys to me. Yeah. Uh, I sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>get myself in trouble, but that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that he was just an errand boy, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for Hughes, and then ended up basically running his whole fortune.

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<v Speaker 2>So dun't at all you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What's sounding a good eagle scout like this Jared Birshall guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know much about him, So what are your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 1>Where he came out of nowhere? Huh? He did?

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<v Speaker 4>He They worked at the boring company together, he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>All I know is he's unqualified to run the position

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<v Speaker 2>that he's in, and that he's an LDS guy, very LDS.

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<v Speaker 4>You should look at his picture.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks like he just stepped off the freaking Mormon magazines.

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<v Speaker 2>R us. It's great. Yes, Yet he's white and delightsome, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>And also like a good Mormon. He likes to do,

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<v Speaker 1>he likes to dig for treasures.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds white and delights them. Look at that smile,

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<v Speaker 2>just worthy. Look at that guy.

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<v Speaker 4>You never know.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the nicest people, don't you know?

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<v Speaker 1>They look like an interesting combo. I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see these two fitting in well together. So it does

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<v Speaker 1>seem like Ivan Gay's relationship to Hughes. I can definitely

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<v Speaker 1>see that with this guy, right, because gay relationship is

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<v Speaker 1>that what the gay like the William Gay two men?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Smart, Okay, I'll stop it.

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<v Speaker 1>It just seems like he's long been a front man, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, definitely definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's everybody's like, he's the smartest person ever.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, he didn't discover any of that stuff, so.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's never he's never.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he he did help invent the credit card systems

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for pornography in the nineties with his brother.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the original X company.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's the only thing, because he didn't invent any

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<v Speaker 2>of the restless stuff. He says he did so it.

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<v Speaker 1>Would later become PayPal once Peter tel and the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>can in with some.

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<v Speaker 2>Money, right exactly. The CIA is always there to back.

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<v Speaker 2>They are little buddies of the LDS because I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is what it is. The LDS has three letters

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<v Speaker 2>and C I, a FBI.

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<v Speaker 4>It fits in.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, yeah, there.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, right, look what money can buy not nearly enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh oh, poor Elon. And these are the people

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<v Speaker 2>that want to clone themselves, y'all. They want to run

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<v Speaker 2>the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nobody needs that hairline, Oh my gosh, not even Elon.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly he did. He didn't like it either.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's frightening on both ends, honestly, like the

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<v Speaker 2>other guy's teeth.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But despite despite.

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<v Speaker 4>The looks, we all have our weird little whatever about us.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying, I don't know that I would

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<v Speaker 4>He's in time.

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<v Speaker 2>Travel, y'all hear about that?

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<v Speaker 4>No, well, it's a whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna be deep diving that before I go

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<v Speaker 2>be we'll be doing that one too. And Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 2>King of course, like but they're they're involved in all

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<v Speaker 4>It's all of them, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, only do find interesting. I do not saying

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<v Speaker 5>that JJ has even noticed. If you want to start

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<v Speaker 5>taking certain conspiracies out there that are kind of like

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<v Speaker 5>what they think their their version of Christianity is, you

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<v Speaker 5>actually have a lot of people conspiracy theorists podcasts. In

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<v Speaker 5>my opinion, they are actually a lot more aligned with Mormonism.

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<v Speaker 3>Than they think.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well, I mean, you know it.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh sound controversial to saying right now, but I do

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<v Speaker 5>think if you including certain certain conspiracy theory ideas, you're

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<v Speaker 5>actually going towards scientology and Mormonism.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, well they're very nat Scotty's right in that in

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<v Speaker 1>that respect. You know, el Ron Hubbard and his prison planet,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like Alex Jones, like the copy with prison

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<v Speaker 2>We have a prison planet. It's outer darkness. It's the

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently that's what they tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>There's really no hell. There's really no hell in Mormonism.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there just lower levels of heaven?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean outer darkness is the absence of anything, including

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<v Speaker 2>your connection with gods. So I guess that would be

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<v Speaker 2>your own personal hell. But that's very eight here, that's

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I thought I thought it was just like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>slightly shittier version of heaven than that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that that is true, and then they're for apostates

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<v Speaker 2>and murderers. So I go with the murderers because that's

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because I.

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<v Speaker 1>See what you're saying. Yeah, this is like the tone

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<v Speaker 1>scale of scientology where all journalists, you know, investigators and

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<v Speaker 1>homosexuals are all like the bottom of the level tone

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<v Speaker 1>scale zero or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically their hell is is there. That's the scientologist

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<v Speaker 1>version of hell. When they don't have a heaven and hell,

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<v Speaker 1>they put you in like a living hell situation because

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<v Speaker 1>they'll those are the people they hate the world in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. The most psychiatrists would follow in that category.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely know Mormons say like, if you're an alcoholic,

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<v Speaker 2>then you'll be in the lower level and you will

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<v Speaker 2>want to drink and you'll have a drink and you

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<v Speaker 2>won't be able to drink, like you'll just be like, ah, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, thanks must. I must have tapped out in Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>school on this this lesson playing, because I don't recall

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<v Speaker 1>this at all. Heidi, Yeah, this sounds fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you remember the Do you remember the video where

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<v Speaker 2>they were building the Salt Lake Temple and the rocks

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<v Speaker 2>were flying without any like anybody doing anything. They were

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<v Speaker 2>magically appearing to the temple and it made the boying sound.

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<v Speaker 4>That's very cool, very naustic. I've got to find that one.

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<v Speaker 2>If anybody knows that cartoon, please send it to me

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<v Speaker 2>or tell me the name, because it was weird. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when you talk about all this Mormon parapolitics and

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<v Speaker 1>all their weird magical stuff, I'm definitely into the weird

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<v Speaker 1>magical stuff. And I think there's a lot more of

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<v Speaker 1>that at the origins than we even understand today, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think their origin story is dubious as can be.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you're talking all this parapolitics stuff today, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, what the more important factor is the Society

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cincinnati. That's the secret society that started America.

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<v Speaker 1>Why George Washington and his officers and the descendants of

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<v Speaker 1>which are all members today. And I would say they've

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<v Speaker 1>been feuding internally since around oh Serraca eighteen oh three

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<v Speaker 1>when Aaron Burr murdered the President General of the Society,

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<v Speaker 1>Alexander Hamilton, and try to take over America. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>only one example. But you know, other examples are when

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<v Speaker 1>hereditary members I become running for president or become president.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an element of the society that does not like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think oftentimes it's considered just on freemasonry because folks

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand the societies. For example, Joseph Smith, the founder

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mormon Church, his grandfather was a captain in

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<v Speaker 1>the Revolutionary War, right, Hetty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes he was captain Samuel Smith. Yes, he was a

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<v Speaker 2>part of the Boston Tea Party.

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<v Speaker 1>So if it wasn't Joseph, it was one of his

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<v Speaker 1>brothers that would have been a member, the hereditary member. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So what it seems to be, I assume it was Joseph.

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<v Speaker 1>When it seems to be when he is running for president,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just too much. There's an element of the society

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't like this. Others other examples would be William

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Harrison, Abraham Lincoln. They're like, no, this guy's gotta go.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever this hereditary member becoming the president is because as

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<v Speaker 1>a president, you remember, but for some reason they don't

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<v Speaker 1>seem like hereditary members becoming president for some reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they don't like the divine, divine right to rule,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they don't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's probably there's probably a bit of the we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want the whole America to be Mormon, because that

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<v Speaker 1>was obviously Justph Smith's planned there too when he was

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<v Speaker 1>running for president, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, you got murdered. How quick was that after he

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<v Speaker 2>started running to j J.

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<v Speaker 4>Was pretty damn quick.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't wasting any time with it, right, They were like,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's gotta go. So, as you know, the Mormon

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<v Speaker 1>church story has been brought in a question before, right

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<v Speaker 1>the origins.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, there was.

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<v Speaker 1>A book written what in the sixties about the whole

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<v Speaker 1>salamander business or I'm sorry it was about it was

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<v Speaker 1>questioning the magic aspects to it. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>the stone see your stone, right.

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<v Speaker 5>It was, Yeah, there's something with salamanders. You're right on that.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't until the eighties. I don't think that this

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<v Speaker 1>is the sixties was just the sixties, was a seer stone.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, it was. Why can't I remember his name?

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<v Speaker 2>I have the book. It's the Magic one with the

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<v Speaker 2>folk magic. He brings out the folk magic and I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember his name right now. But but he did

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<v Speaker 2>get excommunicated for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And also husband and wife. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, well, I think he might have started that way,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was gay. Later it came out that he

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<v Speaker 2>was gay.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe we're talking to different people. Are you talking?

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<v Speaker 1>Is his name gay? Is Wayne?

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<v Speaker 4>No? No, it's not. I'll google my name, you google.

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<v Speaker 2>Yours, Okay, Okay, I'm like, the magic worldview is the

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<v Speaker 2>one I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, what's that one about?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Magic? Yeah, the magic of the Mormon Church. It's quite

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<v Speaker 4>it's a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>You should if you have not read that, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to read that by D.

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Quinn.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I will definitely read that. I was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Mormonism shadow or reality by the Tanners.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh oh, Sandra Tanner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well Sandra and her husband Gerald.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, they are not gay. I'm sorry, Well, they might be.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know them to be, like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I was talking about somebody else, but it does.

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<v Speaker 1>They could also be from the gay family. Then they

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<v Speaker 1>could be gay gay you never.

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<v Speaker 2>Know double gaye Oh, guys, like this is like decisions

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<v Speaker 2>where you have the good good bad, bad bad good.

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<v Speaker 3>We have gay straight gay gay everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>We're kidding. So this book went over many subjects and

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<v Speaker 1>says of a critical view, including the Book of Mormon,

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<v Speaker 1>the scriptures, Joseph Smith's life, alleged false prophecies, the missionary system,

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<v Speaker 1>controversial historical incidents and subjects such as the Mountain Meadows massacre, wealth,

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<v Speaker 1>the priesthood band, polygamy, and many doctrines and practices. So

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<v Speaker 1>in that book was the first time I ever discovered

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<v Speaker 1>any ceremonial magic stuff that anyone actually put in print

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<v Speaker 1>or talked about because I had questions. No one liked

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<v Speaker 1>my questions about the aliens, and no one liked the

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<v Speaker 1>questions about the magic. You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, you wanted to know about Xenu before

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<v Speaker 2>you got to there for sure. That good questions You

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<v Speaker 2>can't have skip, you can't have questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I had questions when they wanted tithing from me from

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<v Speaker 1>my referee and umpiring you know, fees from like fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>and fifteen years old. Someone narked me out to the bishop.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted some tithing. I'm like, let me see some books.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys got lot more money than I do. Bud,

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<v Speaker 1>where's all this money going?

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<v Speaker 4>You said that, I'm fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me see some books. Here you can see

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<v Speaker 1>something like, oh my gosh, you can't say that.

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<v Speaker 3>Where did you get that from?

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<v Speaker 1>To be fair about my financial intricacies of level life,

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<v Speaker 1>I I was. I was managing the US Air Force

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<v Speaker 1>Military Police budget by the age of twenty nine, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at headquarters in DC. So it's kind of just been

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<v Speaker 1>my thing with money and numbers. But yeah, the Mormons

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<v Speaker 1>don't like you asking questions like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I would assume they did not like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And plus, don't you know, JJ, you have to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the temple to ask the questions. In the temple

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<v Speaker 2>room where you're busy, then you can never ask the questions.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how that works.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe they ever let me in a temple.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the DC Temple twice. I went to

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<v Speaker 2>I heard the d C temples. Some shit, it's fancy.

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<v Speaker 2>They got the president. They got a president office up

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<v Speaker 2>in that you know that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really fancy. No, like they have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>If you ask me, they have a full presidential room,

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<v Speaker 2>mocking a presidential over oval office because someday.

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<v Speaker 4>The church is going to rule America from there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not playing that sounds like the stuff scientology does.

427
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<v Speaker 1>L Ron Hubbard's got a room in office and every Scientology,

428
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<v Speaker 1>like I don't have every building, but you know, numerous

429
00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:52.960
<v Speaker 1>buildings and numerous continents, right, because when he reincarnates, he's

430
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<v Speaker 1>got to have all of his old shit, including his

431
00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:55.680
<v Speaker 1>old smokes, you know what I mean?

432
00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, See what's.

433
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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sure jose Just Smith's got some stuff like that, right,

434
00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:03.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe bring it me on, right, it's.

435
00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:06.519
<v Speaker 2>Probably all all the knowledge is in the canes, that's

436
00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:10.599
<v Speaker 2>my guess. The dead people canes with the hair.

437
00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:12.519
<v Speaker 1>So what was the name of this book again?

438
00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:18.119
<v Speaker 2>You were describing Hotty Oh Magic Worldview by D Michael Quinn. Yes,

439
00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.559
<v Speaker 2>that is quite and actually it's it's actually better because

440
00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:24.480
<v Speaker 2>of the fact that he wrote it while he was

441
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<v Speaker 2>an active member for the church. And then they were like,

442
00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they didn't proofread it, like they

443
00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:31.519
<v Speaker 2>were like, what the hell is this?

444
00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:32.599
<v Speaker 4>You're out?

445
00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:37.759
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, wait a second, so this was like

446
00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:40.480
<v Speaker 1>an officially it started out as an officially sation book.

447
00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that is just funny. What do you like?

448
00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Troll them right, big time crazy. And then so everybody

449
00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:50.519
<v Speaker 2>got a hold of this that I know of. And

450
00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:54.160
<v Speaker 2>then I mean they didn't go solemonic magic, which is

451
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<v Speaker 2>the truth.

452
00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:57.519
<v Speaker 4>They made it nicer. They were like, it's folk magic.

453
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<v Speaker 1>It's just okay.

454
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah. They made it sound all like nice,

455
00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:06.559
<v Speaker 2>but it no, it's not.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I mean there's been other books written since then, right,

457
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<v Speaker 1>because I guess Peter Lavenda wrote Hayes after nineteen ninety eight.

458
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<v Speaker 4>Fantastic.

459
00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Levenda did a great job. Yes, so he did.

460
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<v Speaker 1>Which one? Which one do you do? What's comparatively speaking here, Hettie?

461
00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:23.519
<v Speaker 1>What do we talk? I mean, I'm going to read

462
00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.960
<v Speaker 1>this book anyway, And I enjoyed Lavenda's take. But comparatively

463
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<v Speaker 1>speaking talking here.

464
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<v Speaker 4>I mean he's the Mormons, so yeah, he has an

465
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<v Speaker 4>upper hand. It's very good, but.

466
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<v Speaker 1>They give it a very similar similar approach as far

467
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<v Speaker 1>as the he.

468
00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Let it out, Yeah, oh, he let it out. I

469
00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:41.960
<v Speaker 2>was shocked when I read it. I was like, is

470
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<v Speaker 2>this for real?

471
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<v Speaker 3>Like what?

472
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<v Speaker 2>And and the only thing they did is say, like, no,

473
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<v Speaker 2>it's just folk magic.

474
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<v Speaker 6>Everybody did it back then, don't you know. And I

475
00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:53.200
<v Speaker 6>was like, it kind of looks like Solomon it was.

476
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<v Speaker 6>It was a wicked phase they went through, That's all

477
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<v Speaker 6>it was. Yeah, it was a wicked phase. We wasn't

478
00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:04.160
<v Speaker 6>weird clothes and makeup. Yeah, a couple of years we're

479
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<v Speaker 6>over it.

480
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<v Speaker 1>I mean to a certain extent. There was Vermont at

481
00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:10.960
<v Speaker 1>that time when he was grown up, was a was

482
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<v Speaker 1>a hotbed of magical activities. You can call it folk

483
00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:17.759
<v Speaker 1>magic or whatever you want. Today today said's a giant

484
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<v Speaker 1>Dick statue.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Do you know about this statue? Did you see did

486
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<v Speaker 2>you see the stone? Oh it's not in Washington, d C?

487
00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Never mind the one in Washington, d C. Has everybody

488
00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.160
<v Speaker 2>sent the one? Yeah, you know everybody every state sent

489
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<v Speaker 2>a block? Did you see the one Utah sent? It's amazing,

490
00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I got it, the Washington Monument. Is that what we're

491
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<v Speaker 2>talking about? So I think I believe that's true. I'm

492
00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:43.920
<v Speaker 2>pretty sure that's right off the top of my mind.

493
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<v Speaker 2>But it's one of I'm almost certain. And everybody every

494
00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:50.680
<v Speaker 2>state sent a block for a stone for it, and

495
00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:53.279
<v Speaker 2>and Utah hadn't become Utah yet, so they sent one

496
00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:56.119
<v Speaker 2>that said desert and they've got the all Seeing Eye

497
00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:01.279
<v Speaker 2>on it. It's the best you've ever seen. Yeah, yeah,

498
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:04.960
<v Speaker 2>it's awesome. I'm gonna get a picture that story. Yeah,

499
00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:05.480
<v Speaker 2>it's weird.

500
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Wow, it's it's the Washington Monument. Really, that's interesting.

501
00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:12.400
<v Speaker 4>It's very fun.

502
00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I think here's a Salt Lake City fun

503
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:18.119
<v Speaker 1>fact that George Washington. There's I don't understand the ends

504
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and the apts or what have you, but there's a

505
00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:23.519
<v Speaker 1>whole lodge system within Freemasonry called the George Washington Lodges.

506
00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:26.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh and one of them, there's only like thirteen of them,

507
00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and one of them is Salt Lake City, Utah.

508
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Of course, you guys know they had a Paracelsian museum

509
00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:34.240
<v Speaker 2>here for a while.

510
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:38.519
<v Speaker 4>Like a long while. Really damn, yeah they did, Yes,

511
00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:40.119
<v Speaker 4>they did see it here. It is.

512
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:46.519
<v Speaker 2>We're the worst, Sorry, no, but yeah, no, they really did,

513
00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:48.160
<v Speaker 2>and it stayed here for a long time.

514
00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:51.240
<v Speaker 4>It's very strange. They actually say there's some.

515
00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Alchemical like literal laboratories if you know how to follow

516
00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the signs, So we should bring Nick here and all

517
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:01.680
<v Speaker 2>of us go on, Yeah, let's go.

518
00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:03.799
<v Speaker 3>Bring the drone.

519
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:06.519
<v Speaker 5>I've said before, even just with my drone, I of

520
00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:09.440
<v Speaker 5>court stuff where it's like there's like geometry, there is

521
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.559
<v Speaker 5>something going on here with the way stuff is built.

522
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.319
<v Speaker 4>In part leads straight to like a weird al chemical.

523
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:20.519
<v Speaker 3>Definitely things like yeah, I've I've literally I I don't know.

524
00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I think. I hope to God I saved it.

525
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:23.160
<v Speaker 5>But there was like a time where I was even

526
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:25.200
<v Speaker 5>going through like some Grim War or something and like

527
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.559
<v Speaker 5>literally found I think the design that is over by

528
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:32.960
<v Speaker 5>new Haven greens Park. It almost looks like a unicersal hextagram,

529
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:35.839
<v Speaker 5>but it's like off centered, it's not exact, and you

530
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:38.000
<v Speaker 5>could definitely tell it's off. And I found like that

531
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.359
<v Speaker 5>same symbol in the Grim War, and I was like

532
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:41.680
<v Speaker 5>what the fuck?

533
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:43.119
<v Speaker 4>You're like what?

534
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I was like, I wouldn't have known that

535
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:47.559
<v Speaker 5>unless I threw it, sent my drone up and saw

536
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:48.160
<v Speaker 5>it myself.

537
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, how about the priesthood symbol being the sign of Mammon?

538
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:53.400
<v Speaker 4>You guys like.

539
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:58.599
<v Speaker 2>That, what's the sign of what's this the schedule of Mammon?

540
00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:02.960
<v Speaker 2>It looks exactly like the priesthood symbol. It's pretty awesome,

541
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:08.119
<v Speaker 2>the sigil of Mammon. Yeah, Google that up. It's missing

542
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:10.960
<v Speaker 2>the internals, but the external of the whole set up

543
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.519
<v Speaker 2>geometry wise is exact. And then they just took out

544
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the middle. But I bet it's there, and I bet

545
00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:17.160
<v Speaker 2>they hit it, which.

546
00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:23.559
<v Speaker 1>We talking about. Yeah, they stood me pretty good there.

547
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:25.319
<v Speaker 1>I had to get up at five o'clock in the

548
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:26.799
<v Speaker 1>morning for seminary, you know what I mean?

549
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:34.720
<v Speaker 4>They yeah, for sure, mon yep did the whole four years.

550
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so this this is exactly the sign of

551
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:42.279
<v Speaker 2>the Melkezedic priesthood, without the center, without the symbols in

552
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:45.960
<v Speaker 2>the center. But the geometrical signs are exact. If you

553
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>pull up the Melkezdic the Melkezdic and bring us up

554
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:53.400
<v Speaker 2>in comparison here, it's pretty fun. I've been playing with

555
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.960
<v Speaker 2>it quite a bit. I'm like, they're not hiding everything.

556
00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Well they might be now who knows whatever.

557
00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Things Oh jeez, this is it right here though.

558
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:07.519
<v Speaker 2>That's the same image, yep, except not it does not

559
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:09.759
<v Speaker 2>scary part in the middle.

560
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:10.119
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

561
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.839
<v Speaker 4>That reminds me of like a ladder. Actually, look at

562
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:14.480
<v Speaker 4>how this looks like a beehive.

563
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:17.480
<v Speaker 5>Though, yeah yeah, or to me it even does look

564
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:21.400
<v Speaker 5>like a like very like almost because I just finished

565
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:23.240
<v Speaker 5>doing the notes and finally is I'm going to do

566
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 5>it solo recording recording Robert Floyd finally on the Occult Rejects,

567
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.880
<v Speaker 5>and he does have a few, uh a few like

568
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.359
<v Speaker 5>images where there is like a ladder is going up

569
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:35.000
<v Speaker 5>to like the clouds in the sun, where like an

570
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:37.680
<v Speaker 5>old seeing eye, and not that it's angled the same way,

571
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.440
<v Speaker 5>but it does kind of look look like that. It

572
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:41.920
<v Speaker 5>does even possibly look like that a ladder extending to

573
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:42.440
<v Speaker 5>the heavens.

574
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it doesn't have this in the center, of course,

575
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.720
<v Speaker 2>because we can't be that outward. But the actual symbols,

576
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:51.599
<v Speaker 2>the two squares, the stepping stacking stones.

577
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:56.799
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, it has that for sure. And also remember we're.

578
00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:02.480
<v Speaker 1>There, yep, yeah, I see you're I see you're saying

579
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it is the general outline, isn't it. Yep.

580
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.000
<v Speaker 2>They can't put the middle. There's no way they're going

581
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:07.720
<v Speaker 2>to put the middle.

582
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, that's what you gotta learn that they got.

583
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.839
<v Speaker 1>They give you the middle later, right, they feel they

584
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.680
<v Speaker 1>gave you the down hole after you join exactly.

585
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:17.359
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to put that out there for everyone

586
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.480
<v Speaker 2>to see. But the shape, as soon as I seen it,

587
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:23.839
<v Speaker 2>I was like oh okay, and we do have the

588
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:26.519
<v Speaker 2>law of prosperity as Mormons, right, what do they teach us.

589
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.559
<v Speaker 4>So interesting? They are one of the prosperous?

590
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Or is that the Vulcans?

591
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.720
<v Speaker 2>They want you to aliens, different alien stuff. They want

592
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>you to go forward and be prosperous, make money.

593
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh sure, that's how they got out West, right, go

594
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:45.359
<v Speaker 1>for and be prosperous.

595
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

596
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Why does symbol appears ten thousand times in the San

597
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Diego Temple?

598
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:49.680
<v Speaker 2>That?

599
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Why does it? What does that symbol appear ten thousand times?

600
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:53.559
<v Speaker 1>Does it?

601
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:55.799
<v Speaker 4>Why does it? Indeed?

602
00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's it's very interesting, right does it? You

603
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:04.000
<v Speaker 2>start going through it, it's so much fun. It's just like, Okay,

604
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:06.799
<v Speaker 2>it even looks like watch.

605
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>When they put erected on the on the Dick statues,

606
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:10.799
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, it.

607
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:13.720
<v Speaker 4>Even looks like chocolate are they're erected?

608
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:16.680
<v Speaker 1>What we're saying, Nick, what is this symbol to you? Nick?

609
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Look at all this look at all this business. It's everywhere.

610
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:21.640
<v Speaker 5>When I first start, I don't know why, I don't

611
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.200
<v Speaker 5>think it does. But I did think of like the chakras,

612
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:25.359
<v Speaker 5>But I don't think that doesn't match.

613
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 1>Actually, it is literally ever, at least the San Diego Temple.

614
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's all.

615
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:32.200
<v Speaker 4>Over the place.

616
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

617
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:38.400
<v Speaker 4>It's weird, like why like why? But it's just for.

618
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, for people that say they don't believe in

619
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.559
<v Speaker 2>astrology or symbols or don't do any of that. It's

620
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of strange.

621
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>They don't believe in magic.

622
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Well maybe, but maybe Undergred the magic, right Brigham was like,

623
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.039
<v Speaker 2>shut that up, shut up?

624
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So so this this was just our grandfather, right,

625
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Captain is like you said, is Achel Smith? Yep? Like

626
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:08.279
<v Speaker 1>I said, you'd have been an original member of the

627
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Society of Cincinnati in the Massachusetts chapter.

628
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.119
<v Speaker 2>It's funny that they spelled it that way because anywhere

629
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.200
<v Speaker 2>else that I've seen it spelled it's as a e L,

630
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:18.400
<v Speaker 2>like Aziel.

631
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:21.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, what what's this? What's this spelling?

632
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Do?

633
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>What's that one about?

634
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I just think it looks less like Azazel. I think

635
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.279
<v Speaker 2>they might have tried to make it look better.

636
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:30.799
<v Speaker 4>Who knows.

637
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:32.799
<v Speaker 1>But it's a biblical name though, isn't it.

638
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

639
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was King David's youngest son.

640
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<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting that it's also really similar to a

641
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:42.640
<v Speaker 2>fallen angel.

642
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, that is curious.

643
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Speaker 4>That is curious. Indeed, but yeah, whatever.

644
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>The Smith would migrate to Sharon, Vermont there in the

645
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:55.599
<v Speaker 1>southern part of Vermont, uh his father Azazel's son there,

646
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.119
<v Speaker 1>and then in eighteen thirty over there over by the

647
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:03.839
<v Speaker 1>Finger Lakes of York. As the story goes right, Joseph

648
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Smith would would would create what would be known as

649
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:11.559
<v Speaker 1>the Mormon Church. Is that correct? So that is April sixth,

650
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:16.319
<v Speaker 1>eighteen thirty in Fayette, New York. So I find I've

651
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 1>always found I found these details interesting in studying the

652
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Society and more and early Mormon stuff because obviously Joseph's

653
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.640
<v Speaker 1>family being of the Society lineage there with his grandfather

654
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:28.480
<v Speaker 1>and his father and his brother's all being involved in

655
00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 1>the early Mormon Church. So somebody's a member of the

656
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:32.319
<v Speaker 1>society there, you know what I mean?

657
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 4>You know who it.

658
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Probably was was Uncle Johnny that was the first professor

659
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:37.759
<v Speaker 2>of Dartmouth.

660
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:40.839
<v Speaker 1>It could have been him, sure, sure it was my guess.

661
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

662
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.480
<v Speaker 1>So you have this Society family going to Fayette, New York,

663
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.400
<v Speaker 1>which is a Society founded town named after General Lafayette,

664
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the French leader of the Society. Previously that was named Washington,

665
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>New York because it was named after George Washington, the

666
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 1>American leader of the Society. So obviously this don't I

667
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.359
<v Speaker 1>don't have any records there's a mound here where Joseph

668
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Smith started this, because once again, the Mormons aren't going

669
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:05.759
<v Speaker 1>to be like, hey, yeah, we started this on a

670
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 1>mound right here. They deal with enough mound stuff, considering

671
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:14.440
<v Speaker 1>the hillcomor story right right, right. So what's always been

672
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>curious to me is so they call it the Church

673
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>of Christ, right, what's that about?

674
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, so his uncle Johnny at Dartmouth had a church

675
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:26.599
<v Speaker 2>named the Church of Christ before Joseph was ever a thing,

676
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>and it had, curiously many of the teachings, and they

677
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.559
<v Speaker 2>were very Campbell lite in nature. But also I think

678
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>that Joseph took it a step further. You're mentioning a

679
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of French influence, and I do believe that Luman

680
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Walters possibly influenced Joseph Smith with Martinism.

681
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.279
<v Speaker 4>And I think he took it to the full level

682
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 4>with magic, that's my guess.

683
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, with the French Society, so the Society Cincinnati was

684
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.960
<v Speaker 1>one chapter for the original thirteen colonies, and the French

685
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>had a chapter. But the French may as well have

686
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>just been over here too, because France kicked him out

687
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>of there in seventeen ninety two and they weren't allowed

688
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>back handle nineteen twenty five. So all those French, yeah,

689
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:08.920
<v Speaker 1>all those French guys, I mean, Napoleon was a French

690
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>side of the Society of Cincinnati. So he when he

691
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>took over, he let out the ones, the generals that

692
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.359
<v Speaker 1>hadn't been guillotine, like General Lafayette, and they were all

693
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.039
<v Speaker 1>they all lived in exile and whatnot. But yeah, the French,

694
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:23.799
<v Speaker 1>the king they put in charge of her, he was

695
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:25.920
<v Speaker 1>also a member of the Society of Cincinnati. He was

696
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:29.279
<v Speaker 1>a turncoat on the rest of his buddies there. He

697
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.400
<v Speaker 1>King Louis the Philippe, the second he you know, he

698
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:36.039
<v Speaker 1>was the one who apparently wanted to kill all his

699
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>buds and put him in jail. But yeah, when Napoleon

700
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.759
<v Speaker 1>took over, he was letting folks out and whatnot. But

701
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.839
<v Speaker 1>everyone lived over here in exile, even Napoleon and his well,

702
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Napoleon's brother. Some arguments have been made that Napoleon lived

703
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>here in exile as well.

704
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Very curious, you know, with the story that Joseph Smith

705
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 2>claims to be a Merivigian.

706
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these all yeah, both sides. These these French folks

707
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.960
<v Speaker 1>are all of the same bloodlines, right right, same stuff.

708
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.559
<v Speaker 1>All these society all these society families are right, so

709
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>they all come from the same place.

710
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Right.

711
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>In fact, one of the one of the characters I

712
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:12.719
<v Speaker 1>wanted to discuss here was he was a He's a

713
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 1>forefather to so many people, including basically anyone who's a

714
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Mormon leader. Right and uh And I believe you said

715
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:21.280
<v Speaker 1>this was a forefather to you, right right?

716
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:25.119
<v Speaker 4>HOTEI that I was gonna check, and I didn't.

717
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:30.239
<v Speaker 2>So I am Campbell's, I am Morgan's, I am Taylor.

718
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:36.719
<v Speaker 4>Uh. And I think those are the main three main Okay.

719
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, as far as the early leaders go, he's the

720
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>forefather to Joseph Smith, Hiram, Wilfrid Woodruff, Oliver Calgary, Harley, P. Pratt,

721
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Norson Pratt. Okay, this is John Lothrop. He was the

722
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 1>early clergyman there in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. But as

723
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.760
<v Speaker 1>you can see, he's the forefather to fillmore Garfield, Grant Roosevelt,

724
00:34:54.800 --> 00:35:02.039
<v Speaker 1>both Bushes, Benedict Arnold, oh wow, the Ellis brothers, Ezra

725
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Taff Benson of course, will Bill Hiccock, George, the Romney Boys,

726
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 1>the Huntsmans. You were talking about the Huntsmons before, m

727
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:15.920
<v Speaker 1>very wealthy billionaire Mormon family who invented styrofoam am.

728
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.239
<v Speaker 2>I correct, I did not know this one. I know

729
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 2>they invented television, which is fantastic. Yeah.

730
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.679
<v Speaker 1>John Huntsmon's dad had like the exclusive contract with McDonald's

731
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 1>for all styrofoam products years ago. Weird they made that

732
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 1>big McDonald's money, McDonald tyrophone money.

733
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:33.480
<v Speaker 4>Oh why does that not surprise me?

734
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 1>Chemical company? Right, I don't know if they invented it,

735
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:40.679
<v Speaker 1>but they definitely were making a lot of money from it, right,

736
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean Clint Eastwood, Kevin Bak and Jake

737
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Jill and old Jeffrey Dahmer. Right, So if you if

738
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 1>you're descended from this dude, you're distant cousins with Jeffrey Downes.

739
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.719
<v Speaker 4>Wow, that's all good.

740
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:56.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm in that same boat. So you'll see Ulyssi's as

741
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 1>grain on there. That's through his uh, his great grandmother,

742
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the Huntington that's also one of my fore mothers.

743
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:05.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I am related to Huntington, I know that for sure.

744
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.719
<v Speaker 1>So the Huntington's are from are from Lothrop there, the Loathsop.

745
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying. He spawned so many people in this country.

746
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:12.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not he's not the only one of that era,

747
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>but he's one of the major ones of that area

748
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.119
<v Speaker 1>right where you see all these descendants from. But one

749
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of his.

750
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they spread it around rights.

751
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.599
<v Speaker 1>One of his descendants through they well, they definitely do that. Especially.

752
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.840
<v Speaker 1>You know why there's still some huge families today is

753
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>it hasn't really changed, I guess right.

754
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:32.800
<v Speaker 4>Nope.

755
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>So one of Lothrop's descendants there was this fella, Elias Buell.

756
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:41.119
<v Speaker 1>This is my forefather, who was the son of Martha Huntington.

757
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.920
<v Speaker 1>He'd been the great great uncle of Ulysses S. Grant.

758
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>He uh was a major in the revolution out of

759
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:54.159
<v Speaker 1>the Connecticut militia there and uh he would his his

760
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.119
<v Speaker 1>unit would serve as a security essentially security force or

761
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.199
<v Speaker 1>you know there was no service back then, but a

762
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>security force for General Washington there in New York City.

763
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:09.000
<v Speaker 1>And Buell's kids would inter marry with his general his

764
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:13.519
<v Speaker 1>boss's kids Jesse Root, who was the general charge of

765
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 1>the Connecticut chapter of the Society of Cincinnati. So this

766
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.960
<v Speaker 1>dude was connected in those regards, but through through John

767
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Lothrop there he's he's only he's not that distantly related

768
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:26.599
<v Speaker 1>from Joseph Smith. Right, he's second cousins I think, three

769
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:31.800
<v Speaker 1>times removed or third cousins twice removed. One of the

770
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what it was, one of those two

771
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:37.519
<v Speaker 1>I did. I did the genealogy theology. Forget the precise ones.

772
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:40.119
<v Speaker 1>I've look that up here as i'm hmmer hammer. But

773
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I would say this dude was in the no giving

774
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>all these other society Cincinnati relations, you know, giving it

775
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 1>this dude's connections. But when he dies in eighteen twenty six,

776
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.639
<v Speaker 1>I g it's eighteen twenty six. He was. He lived

777
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:58.800
<v Speaker 1>from seventeen thirty seven till well, this is tell me here,

778
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.039
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you die here, buddy, eighteen twenty four in Albany,

779
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.559
<v Speaker 1>New York. So by way of Vermont. So he settled

780
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 1>to town in Vermont called Huntington, Vermont. You know, there's

781
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:09.960
<v Speaker 1>disputes on how the namesake of it, but he's the

782
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.280
<v Speaker 1>guy who had the land grants following the revolution, and

783
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.159
<v Speaker 1>it's named after his mother. So in my opinion, anyhow,

784
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:20.519
<v Speaker 1>he ends up dying in Albany. But on his last

785
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Will and Testament. Now I don't know when this was

786
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>written on there. It could have been scribbled in there

787
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 1>later afterwards, who knows. But on his last Will and

788
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Testament again he dies in Albany, last Will and Testament,

789
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:35.079
<v Speaker 1>he says, don't let the Mormons baptize me for the dead.

790
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Good idea, right, But if Joseph Smith is inventing the

791
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Mormon Church in eighteen thirty as the Church of Christ,

792
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>right or just west of Albany in a couple of hours, right,

793
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.639
<v Speaker 1>also migrating for Vermont, just like Buell, and also family

794
00:38:54.719 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>of Bule, So those migrations were similar time frame as well.

795
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>The you know, how does Elis Buell you know want

796
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:06.639
<v Speaker 1>to not get back? You know what's he saying? No,

797
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.599
<v Speaker 1>no necromancy there, Mormon folk, you know eighteen twenty four?

798
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:16.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I am years hm hmm. So who who's who's

799
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:17.039
<v Speaker 4>doing what?

800
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Where?

801
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:17.880
<v Speaker 4>How?

802
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Right? Well? Yeah? What you know what? You know, what

803
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:22.880
<v Speaker 1>is this origin story of the Mormon Church? Right? So

804
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>what what's the official narrative their? Heidi? You just many

805
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>folks with the the eighteen thirty version.

806
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one of the one of four at least four

807
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:35.960
<v Speaker 2>that we know of about you were.

808
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Saying his uncle had a Church of Christ earlier, but

809
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:40.159
<v Speaker 1>then Joseph searched this Church of Christ. So was there

810
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 1>any connections there?

811
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:43.519
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I do believe so.

812
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:47.039
<v Speaker 2>So it's the Dartmouth College connection, which nobody wants to

813
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 2>talk about really, and that's that. You know, people say

814
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:53.519
<v Speaker 2>it's a blip that hybrid went there to the Indian School,

815
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.719
<v Speaker 2>and I was always like, why is he at an

816
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Indian school? Like it never quite made sense to me,

817
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.880
<v Speaker 2>And then I started lo king and you know, Nathaniel

818
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Smith is actually the doctor that saved Joseph's legg and

819
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Lucy Macsmith's book, which, by the way, Brigham tried to

820
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:17.559
<v Speaker 2>burn out of existence. She states that doctor Nathan came

821
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:21.400
<v Speaker 2>and saved his leg, and everybody was kind of like, Okay,

822
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 2>why doesn't he have a last name? Well he doesn't

823
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.480
<v Speaker 2>because it's her own. Do you think you would forget

824
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:31.639
<v Speaker 2>your own last name? That seems rather strange. Yeah, And

825
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.599
<v Speaker 2>so you know that's who she calls on is uncle

826
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Smith and Nathan Smith. Well I figured out probably

827
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.559
<v Speaker 2>why number one, Johnny Smith's whole background goes clear into

828
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>a good basis for a lot of theology, but also

829
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.000
<v Speaker 2>the Indian College at Dartmouth was to train them to

830
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:56.679
<v Speaker 2>be basically priests to these Native Americans, so almost a

831
00:40:56.800 --> 00:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Jesuit school really, and he went there, not for a block,

832
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.320
<v Speaker 2>he went for four years and he was almost done

833
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.280
<v Speaker 2>when there was a huge problem.

834
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:06.679
<v Speaker 4>Remember I said Nathan was a doctor.

835
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, back then, bodies are kind of hard to come by,

836
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, you're trying to teach people medical things, and

837
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.079
<v Speaker 2>so they were known as grave diggers. And you know,

838
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.760
<v Speaker 2>it was really weird to think that I know some

839
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:22.280
<v Speaker 2>other people that were diggers and never found any gold.

840
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.480
<v Speaker 2>But maybe they sustained themselves another way. They did sleep

841
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:27.840
<v Speaker 2>by Alvin's body for five weeks and ran in the

842
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 2>paper that they would be there, and so that makes

843
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:34.159
<v Speaker 2>a lot more sense now, maybe wondering if they made

844
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.280
<v Speaker 2>their money a different way. They did run him out

845
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:40.280
<v Speaker 2>of town, and he ran and started another college, a

846
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:44.679
<v Speaker 2>medical school, and this is Nathaniel Smith and runs over

847
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:45.159
<v Speaker 2>to Yale.

848
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Funny enough, it is an interesting dynamic in the background

849
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 1>of this whole family because he's not certainly not a

850
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.039
<v Speaker 1>poor farm boy, right.

851
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:57.079
<v Speaker 2>No, And these are cut and people want to say, well,

852
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>this is irrelevant because they're cousins of his grandpa are

853
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.559
<v Speaker 2>or something. But I'm sorry, they're from the same area.

854
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.199
<v Speaker 2>The uncle Johnny lived like five miles away and the

855
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.639
<v Speaker 2>other one lived like thirty miles away. It's it's really

856
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:12.000
<v Speaker 2>not like for where they grew up all in Massachusetts.

857
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 2>We get back to you know, inquisition land for this one.

858
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:18.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, in comparative analysis, though, the taf family would do

859
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the same thing, right. One would go to you know,

860
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the north the Northern mount to Vermont kind of regions,

861
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.880
<v Speaker 1>one wing one another wing would go to start Yale.

862
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.800
<v Speaker 1>One would be prominent Mormons on another wing. Yep, I'm sorry,

863
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.280
<v Speaker 1>starting the skull and bones, not Yale, not you know,

864
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>let's start the skull and bones.

865
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 4>Skull and bones.

866
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, and then what do they do once we come

867
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.199
<v Speaker 2>out here? Yeah, they come and sanction chapter here. Has

868
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:42.800
<v Speaker 2>that ever been done before since? Not to my knowledge.

869
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.639
<v Speaker 4>So it's because it's their family.

870
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.280
<v Speaker 1>So so in eighteen twenty four, Joseph is what eighteen

871
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:51.480
<v Speaker 1>years old?

872
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.119
<v Speaker 4>Oh boy, don't make me math, no, let.

873
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Me look it up. Now. I think he's I think

874
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.800
<v Speaker 1>he's I think he's twenty years old because he had

875
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.719
<v Speaker 1>his first he had his first apparent Angel Morona. I

876
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:04.039
<v Speaker 1>came the first time right when he.

877
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Was sixteen fourteen, they say, fourteen.

878
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:11.559
<v Speaker 1>Holy smokes, he's he's a he's an under chira overachiever.

879
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:17.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, over achiever. Yeah, look at him, go Urgent Scrier.

880
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>So that's in Sharon, Vermont, right. I'm just the whole

881
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:26.320
<v Speaker 1>journey of these folks take is interesting really if you

882
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:28.840
<v Speaker 1>look at it logistically, you know what I mean, Like

883
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:36.280
<v Speaker 1>he's born over here in Sharon, Vermont. Like I said, Uh,

884
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.679
<v Speaker 1>Elias Buelle would be right up over here, just north

885
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of there, and they'd migrate over the same pathway over

886
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.000
<v Speaker 1>through Albany, New York. Right, I mean these are the

887
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.599
<v Speaker 1>old pathways that they just built new roads on. There's

888
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:49.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're not we're not inventing new pathways and

889
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.320
<v Speaker 1>new roads really over in this country. The old the

890
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:53.760
<v Speaker 1>old foot paths so across America from the Natives became

891
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.039
<v Speaker 1>the old stage coach passed and they became the interstate

892
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.239
<v Speaker 1>highway system. So nothing new here. But they traveled a

893
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:02.519
<v Speaker 1>great distance, right, I mean from Sharon, Vermont, A Fayett,

894
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean we're talking almost two hundred and eighty miles

895
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:07.639
<v Speaker 1>or so, and then another you know, sixty or so

896
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:11.280
<v Speaker 1>to fifty five to the Hill Kimora, you know, the

897
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Promised Land.

898
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:14.719
<v Speaker 2>They did say that they were kind of trying to

899
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.719
<v Speaker 2>get away from this scandal about the grave digging, and

900
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:21.639
<v Speaker 2>she owed some people some money. They really gloss over this.

901
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.079
<v Speaker 2>You have to look hard for this information about this

902
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:26.760
<v Speaker 2>time frame, because they make it seem like he was

903
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.480
<v Speaker 2>born and then they moved and nobody knows why, and

904
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 2>that's all and there's this big, huge missing time piece.

905
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:37.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I often wonder if his cousin Elia's Buell

906
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.760
<v Speaker 1>there didn't travel with the whole Mormon crowd out of Vermont.

907
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:42.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, like I said, the town he lived in

908
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:45.559
<v Speaker 1>the Mormon side of the Taff family there, they all

909
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.639
<v Speaker 1>settle in up there. So if you go to that

910
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.880
<v Speaker 1>town hind to Vermont, it's all Buells descendants and everyone

911
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>else in there's Taffs, and there's some intermarrying between the

912
00:44:54.000 --> 00:45:00.199
<v Speaker 1>two in the town graveyard. So you know, that's what

913
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. This early Mormon migration out of Vermont seems

914
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 1>to me maybe more connected and earlier than we're told,

915
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:09.039
<v Speaker 1>and in a different storyline than we're told. And probably

916
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 1>far more magical than we're told.

917
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 4>Right, Oh, definitely, definitely.

918
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.639
<v Speaker 1>So you mentioned the Campbell Lights and relative to Joseph's

919
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:22.559
<v Speaker 1>uncle there, Yes, what's the story? What's the story there?

920
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.679
<v Speaker 1>Because Sidney Sidney Rigdon was a Cambelite minister, was he not?

921
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:27.280
<v Speaker 1>He was?

922
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.800
<v Speaker 2>And he was also his cousin, Yeah, wasn't he wasn't

923
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Sydney Rigdon his cousin, I remember directly.

924
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it is.

925
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>To the Bratt boys and uh and uh Caldrey.

926
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.519
<v Speaker 4>Caldrey is the one I'm thinking of taking.

927
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Caldre I think, yeah, those were those were witnesses, right,

928
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:48.559
<v Speaker 1>his first witnesses of the Golden the Golden blades.

929
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:49.599
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yep.

930
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.039
<v Speaker 1>He recruits, he recruits rigged in over there. Strangely enough,

931
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:54.719
<v Speaker 1>this is how the story again, this is how the

932
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:59.400
<v Speaker 1>story goes. He recruits rigged in somewhere, maybe in around Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,

933
00:45:59.400 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 1>it seems.

934
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Yep, Yeah, Sinny's interesting.

935
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Am I back that?

936
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:10.599
<v Speaker 2>I make it, You're back, You're back.

937
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm back. So I guess ri Rigdon was the minister

938
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:17.280
<v Speaker 1>of a Campbelhite church. They swopped him up in around Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

939
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I think as the legend goes, and and then these

940
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.280
<v Speaker 1>were the earlier these This is most of the congregation

941
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.559
<v Speaker 1>of Joseph Smith's early Church of Christ was Sidney Rigden's

942
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:28.639
<v Speaker 1>entire congregation, is my understanding.

943
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Right?

944
00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

945
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

946
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.599
<v Speaker 1>And who were these Campbelllightes because they would later spawn

947
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.119
<v Speaker 1>the Seventh day Adventists, to the Jehovah's Witnesses and a

948
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.519
<v Speaker 1>bunch of other apocalyptic shenanigans.

949
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:45.719
<v Speaker 4>Right, yep, they do well.

950
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's always like, hey, the world's going to end,

951
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:49.880
<v Speaker 1>and when it doesn't end, and then like a contingent

952
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 1>of those folks break off and they they all agree

953
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:54.280
<v Speaker 1>on a new date in a new leader. It's going

954
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:55.800
<v Speaker 1>to end in this date, you know. And then when

955
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.519
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't happen, you know, rinsewa, wash and repeat. There

956
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:00.239
<v Speaker 1>it just keeps going. I guess right, m.

957
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, we have to have a new date. We can't

958
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:07.239
<v Speaker 2>just end things. We're just a little off the change

959
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:08.119
<v Speaker 2>the calendar at.

960
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.280
<v Speaker 3>Least twenty years, so you can milk people pretty long.

961
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Fast forward to the nineties and the interweb connection

962
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.239
<v Speaker 1>or interweb ear you get you know, the Purple Road,

963
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Black Nike, you know, Hell's or Heaven's Gate, say Hell's Gate,

964
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Heavens Gate cult trying to catch a right on a comet,

965
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:26.639
<v Speaker 1>on Hanley's comet, you know, I mean, I mean it's

966
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the same theology from these candle lights, right.

967
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Sidney rigged is interesting. There's a lot of

968
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:38.119
<v Speaker 2>dark theories around Sydney riggedon later and so it gets weird,

969
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:38.960
<v Speaker 2>we'll see.

970
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's he's kind of a shadowy character. I've always

971
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:44.000
<v Speaker 1>thought the same thing, Heidi, because he's again you know,

972
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.320
<v Speaker 1>they pick him up later on the trip, right, you know,

973
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.239
<v Speaker 1>as they're always escaping all these towns for their hoodlum activities,

974
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.800
<v Speaker 1>it seems right, that's josephin gang trying to swindle folks

975
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>out of something, and you know, left and right, so

976
00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 1>it seems like they're alway getting run out of folks.

977
00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.480
<v Speaker 1>They picked this guy up along the way and he's like, yeah,

978
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.920
<v Speaker 1>you can have my entire congregation. Like what's that about?

979
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:06.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, what's it about when you've got all these like

980
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.519
<v Speaker 2>kings and Queen's kids and like later down the road,

981
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.559
<v Speaker 2>maybe not their direct kids. You know, they got swindled

982
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.760
<v Speaker 2>here too. What are they promising everyone?

983
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Wow?

984
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.960
<v Speaker 2>So we went to school with at the same school

985
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.920
<v Speaker 2>with Hiram, right this.

986
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 1>So you're familiar with this character. M h nice. So

987
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:31.159
<v Speaker 1>as the story goes, he goes from Church of Christ,

988
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 1>picks up Sygney Rigdon, and then somewhere around what eighteen

989
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 1>thirty two, maybe they're they're calling it, uh, you know,

990
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the you know LDS, the Church of Jesus Christ, the

991
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:40.639
<v Speaker 1>latterday Saints.

992
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm.

993
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:47.880
<v Speaker 1>So when did the Book of Warmer get written? Oh boy,

994
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, and when did anyone see that wasn't named

995
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Joseph or his cousins or brothers.

996
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, I do know this, they only saw it with

997
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:56.639
<v Speaker 2>their spiritual eyes, and.

998
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:59.760
<v Speaker 4>Then anybody later they were like kicked out. You know.

999
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Everybody that actually said they saw it was excommunicated at

1000
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:04.000
<v Speaker 2>some point.

1001
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:08.719
<v Speaker 3>So eighteen thirty eighteen thirty was the book.

1002
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's right there when he's kicking it off

1003
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.800
<v Speaker 1>in fe in New York. Then as the story goes,

1004
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:17.920
<v Speaker 1>so I wonder whoever, you know, as you're saying, no

1005
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:20.199
<v Speaker 1>one got to see the Golden plates, but I wonder

1006
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.719
<v Speaker 1>when day let folks see the actual Book of Mormon,

1007
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.360
<v Speaker 1>because I want to. I really question that storyline because

1008
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.079
<v Speaker 1>they don't pick up Sidney Sidney rigged until some time

1009
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 1>later after eighteen thirty. And what's the story on Solomon

1010
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Spaulding because this character runs in my opinion, this manuscript

1011
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:38.880
<v Speaker 1>he wrote serves as the basis of the Book of Mormon.

1012
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, and he also went to school with Highrum at

1013
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:47.639
<v Speaker 2>the Dartmouth Indian College. So and their doctor there, Nathaniel,

1014
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.199
<v Speaker 2>you know the Chases, you know, the whole chase people

1015
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.679
<v Speaker 2>like that talked about him being magical and the affidavits

1016
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:56.000
<v Speaker 2>and everything we bring forth.

1017
00:49:56.440 --> 00:50:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, he marries the Chase girl, the doctor does, so.

1018
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:07.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean just saying, yeah, so he's an interesting character, right, Yeah.

1019
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Regdan gets baptized in September of eighteen thirty. They're in

1020
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:12.159
<v Speaker 1>New Yorkertland.

1021
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.280
<v Speaker 4>They're all together, That's what I'm saying for sure.

1022
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.239
<v Speaker 1>And well, so Regdan comes from Pittsburgh on his way

1023
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:20.559
<v Speaker 1>up to Kurland to meet the Mormons. And this dude's

1024
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:23.840
<v Speaker 1>from Pittsburgh, was living in Pittsburgh. Died in the Washington County, right,

1025
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 1>this is where he died. That's where did was living.

1026
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:29.440
<v Speaker 1>And he wrote this thing called are you familiar with

1027
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:33.119
<v Speaker 1>this narrative? He wrote this thing called the Manuscript Story

1028
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:37.400
<v Speaker 1>of County ott Creek, an unpublished historical romance about the

1029
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 1>law civilization of mound builders of North America.

1030
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they said they just found it, and you

1031
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:48.880
<v Speaker 2>know whatever. But they knew these people. It's not like

1032
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:50.679
<v Speaker 2>they didn't know these people. It's a lie.

1033
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh, they absolutely knew each other, right, they.

1034
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:54.840
<v Speaker 4>Went to school together.

1035
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:57.159
<v Speaker 1>So what do you what are your thoughts on this

1036
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>manuscript serving is the basis for the Book of Mormon.

1037
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I think whatever they used to fill in the holes

1038
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 2>between the magic that they performed, they used. I think

1039
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.719
<v Speaker 2>that they they were you know oftentimes and I know

1040
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Nick can attest to this, like when you're reading something

1041
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:16.760
<v Speaker 2>that is a magical working, it doesn't have to be

1042
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:21.000
<v Speaker 2>a magical looking works, like the people that know the

1043
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.599
<v Speaker 2>magic will see it there. And that is exactly what

1044
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it is. And I think this was the

1045
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:28.440
<v Speaker 2>cover story, like possible, right.

1046
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:31.719
<v Speaker 1>This is the Warring Natives, Yeah, this is this is

1047
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 1>this is where that all that narrative cup It's yeah,

1048
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:37.039
<v Speaker 1>that's a great way to look at the filler because

1049
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.760
<v Speaker 1>this is literally the same tale. And again you as

1050
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:42.079
<v Speaker 1>you point out, they know the Smith's boys and Hiram

1051
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:43.639
<v Speaker 1>was just as involved in all this stuff as his

1052
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:44.599
<v Speaker 1>brother Joseph.

1053
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely he was the he was the one that was

1054
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 2>almost a priest. So he's like nearly a Jesuit. I

1055
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:54.480
<v Speaker 2>mean he knew some things. And Uncle Johnny there the uncle.

1056
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 2>He was like a master over languages. He knew like

1057
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:01.119
<v Speaker 2>thirty different languages. I think they said like it was crazy,

1058
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:03.639
<v Speaker 2>and and they just skip over him, like where what

1059
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:06.599
<v Speaker 2>the hell happened there? Like if they never had any interaction,

1060
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:10.320
<v Speaker 2>that's fine, But where Hiram is literally learning underneath him?

1061
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:13.320
<v Speaker 2>And what is Hiram doing? And this is when Joseph's

1062
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:13.920
<v Speaker 2>sick and hurt.

1063
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:15.480
<v Speaker 4>What would you bring home.

1064
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.840
<v Speaker 2>For your brother? What did you bring home for your brother?

1065
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:22.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, a book? Maybe he owned the local bookstore.

1066
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Some magic.

1067
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they said that this got a knic Khan disappeared

1068
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:30.519
<v Speaker 2>when they left town.

1069
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:34.639
<v Speaker 1>So from oh, well they never did. They never left

1070
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:36.559
<v Speaker 1>town in any good fashion, did they anywhere they lived?

1071
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Did they.

1072
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Noop? And they owed they had a reputation yep.

1073
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:44.800
<v Speaker 1>So the other filler I would say for the Book

1074
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:46.559
<v Speaker 1>of Mormon comes from this book and back to the

1075
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Society of Cincinnati. This is a founding father, Elias Budenow,

1076
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:52.679
<v Speaker 1>and he wrote a book called A Star in the West,

1077
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.519
<v Speaker 1>a humble attempt to discover the long lost ten Tribes

1078
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.320
<v Speaker 1>of Israel preparatory to the return to the beloff City

1079
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:02.280
<v Speaker 1>of Jerusalem. So basically the philosophical and theological basis for

1080
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 1>the Mormon as you put the filler parts of the

1081
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Mormon Mormon you know system. And back to the Society

1082
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.519
<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati again, this guy was a member O G member,

1083
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:11.800
<v Speaker 1>founding father.

1084
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.039
<v Speaker 2>The Society of Cincinnati. Did they practice magic?

1085
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I suspect that's one, you know, I suspect that's

1086
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:23.719
<v Speaker 1>one of their big secrets. So I've done actually my

1087
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:27.280
<v Speaker 1>attempt at trying to understand not so much whatever their

1088
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Speaker 1>their theology is, but just pointing out the other obvious

1089
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 1>occult you know, patterns of of their their headquarters building

1090
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.719
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and you know, the the the tour, taking

1091
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:42.199
<v Speaker 1>the tour, seeing all their tapestries and whatnot. Myself and Recluse,

1092
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.239
<v Speaker 1>the host of the Farm podcast, we did a tour

1093
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:48.039
<v Speaker 1>and we we did our occult and or tour of

1094
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:51.360
<v Speaker 1>the Society Cincinnati headquarters. So they're an interesting bunch. They're

1095
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:52.119
<v Speaker 1>an interesting bunch.

1096
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:54.800
<v Speaker 4>Do you think they're Martinists?

1097
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I think they've matched together a number of theologies of

1098
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:01.840
<v Speaker 1>an occult fashion in which to make their own so

1099
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:06.320
<v Speaker 1>seemingly based upon their own you know, imagery and iconography

1100
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:11.280
<v Speaker 1>across their situations. They seem to venerate Diana the Hunting

1101
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Galley because.

1102
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:14.719
<v Speaker 2>The French, you know, the French name. I just was like,

1103
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.440
<v Speaker 2>this makes so much more sense because you know the

1104
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:18.679
<v Speaker 2>Martinists and France.

1105
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Well there's there. I don't know a lot about it,

1106
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:22.719
<v Speaker 1>so you told me about some of that stuff, so

1107
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll have to look more into how deep it is

1108
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 1>in the French side specifically, that's where, Yeah.

1109
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:31.320
<v Speaker 2>That's where it mostly was like circulated around.

1110
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:34.000
<v Speaker 4>Does Lumen Walters come up in this group? Is he

1111
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:35.880
<v Speaker 4>a part of this society by chance?

1112
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that name.

1113
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:40.639
<v Speaker 4>Oh, Lumen Walters is fantastic.

1114
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, they also venerate Hecate, which is to me a

1115
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:53.559
<v Speaker 1>very dark goddess for goddess right, lumin like luminescent, like.

1116
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Light bearer, lumen.

1117
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 2>If you put in the like little encyclopedia look up

1118
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:00.800
<v Speaker 2>there with media and.

1119
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:03.639
<v Speaker 1>Walter, Joseph Smith mentor Okay, yep.

1120
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:09.400
<v Speaker 2>He was an occultist and yeah, all those things super fun.

1121
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:10.599
<v Speaker 1>What did he do? He's from Letchfield.

1122
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yep, I think he might be a little key

1123
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:19.519
<v Speaker 2>for you. He came back from France. Uh, dark and godless.

1124
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:23.000
<v Speaker 4>That's what they said. And he was a doctor, supposed

1125
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:23.880
<v Speaker 4>a doctor.

1126
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:25.960
<v Speaker 1>What was he doing in France?

1127
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.320
<v Speaker 4>He was traveling because he's a supposed doctor.

1128
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Was it? Okay? It wasn't like it wasn't a government

1129
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:37.159
<v Speaker 1>or a freemason.

1130
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Tagers so well, so they say, right, it's very vague,

1131
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:41.719
<v Speaker 2>but all of a sudden it pops up and they

1132
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:44.360
<v Speaker 2>run him out of town because he's a godless, occultist,

1133
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:49.159
<v Speaker 2>fortune teller, bad guy. It's very interesting. I think he's

1134
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.800
<v Speaker 2>the Martinist connection for Joseph. And if you know he'd

1135
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.159
<v Speaker 2>just been in France, it makes complete sense.

1136
00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:58.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, it looks like maybe Brigham too. He was Brigham

1137
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Young's fortune teller. This is this real stories, This is real, and.

1138
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:04.440
<v Speaker 4>They want this buried.

1139
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.800
<v Speaker 2>They you don't hear shit about Lumen Walters anywhere.

1140
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:11.840
<v Speaker 1>So yep, yeah, I have to do some genealogy one

1141
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:14.559
<v Speaker 1>get back to you. He sounds like an character worthy

1142
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:16.599
<v Speaker 1>of being from somewhere where he came. This boy came

1143
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:20.079
<v Speaker 1>from somewhere and you know that the origins these blue

1144
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:23.079
<v Speaker 1>blood kind of society folks, right, the joke.

1145
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Book, the Book of Puki p u k e I

1146
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.079
<v Speaker 2>that they did on the Mormons, you know, do you

1147
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:32.280
<v Speaker 2>know this story? So? Okay, So Joseph took the book

1148
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.119
<v Speaker 2>to get it printed, and the printer knew the family,

1149
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:37.639
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, would you look at this ship

1150
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.280
<v Speaker 2>right here? Like I mean serious, This guy was having

1151
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:42.320
<v Speaker 2>a fit, and he was like, so he thought it

1152
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:44.719
<v Speaker 2>was hysterical. So he made his own book and it

1153
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:48.079
<v Speaker 2>was like a joke book on Joseph Smith. And so

1154
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:51.360
<v Speaker 2>it's called the Book of p U k e I Pukai.

1155
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:54.719
<v Speaker 2>And so he makes fun of Lumen Walters in it

1156
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.280
<v Speaker 2>as well, and so Luman pops up all over the

1157
00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:59.480
<v Speaker 2>place and he's like, once I talked to my magician

1158
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:03.239
<v Speaker 2>in it till me. He's like a total dick the printer.

1159
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:07.079
<v Speaker 2>And so after this, Joseph was like, that's enough. This

1160
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.800
<v Speaker 2>is serious. This is serious church business, sir. So he

1161
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:14.719
<v Speaker 2>went and got his little his little copyright so that

1162
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:16.239
<v Speaker 2>nobody could make fun of him anymore.

1163
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:19.679
<v Speaker 4>I'm not kidding.

1164
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:22.719
<v Speaker 1>That's a very power move right there.

1165
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:24.480
<v Speaker 4>Yep, gotta do it.

1166
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:29.280
<v Speaker 1>So it's so what So from eighteen twenty three to

1167
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.000
<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty seven. I guess we skipped over this. This

1168
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:34.880
<v Speaker 1>is when Joseph got a got real MOUNDI like in life,

1169
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:38.559
<v Speaker 1>and had these meetings with the Moroni at Angel Moroni

1170
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:42.280
<v Speaker 1>from eighteen twenty three to eighteen twenty seven, various instances

1171
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and the Hill Kimora. This is the holy this is

1172
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:46.639
<v Speaker 1>the mecha side of the Mormons right today.

1173
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he had to do that on the Fall

1174
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Equinox too, when spirits can come through for Martinists. I

1175
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:57.000
<v Speaker 2>think I dare say it took him that long to

1176
00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>get the things he got because he was perfecting, like

1177
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:03.000
<v Speaker 2>because you know all the things you have to perfect

1178
00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:05.039
<v Speaker 2>before you can break through to your HGA.

1179
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.239
<v Speaker 4>That's just my guess. I'm just saying.

1180
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:08.960
<v Speaker 1>But that's what I was going to ask you. So

1181
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:10.760
<v Speaker 1>this is a very crawly like ritual. It was my

1182
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:12.719
<v Speaker 1>understanding from what you were describing before, right.

1183
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.880
<v Speaker 2>That's honestly. Honestly, the more I study, I never thought

1184
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:19.960
<v Speaker 2>it would go in this direction, but it did, and

1185
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.599
<v Speaker 2>I was as shocked as anybody.

1186
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 1>But with D.

1187
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Michael Quinn's work and then the stuff about Lumen Walters

1188
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:30.119
<v Speaker 2>and then I deep dove Martinism on a tangent. I

1189
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:34.039
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even trying to study about Mormons like at all,

1190
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.719
<v Speaker 2>and boom like all this stuff, and I just was like, oh,

1191
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.920
<v Speaker 2>this is this is not regular Masonry we're talking about here,

1192
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:44.239
<v Speaker 2>because if it was just the Scottish Rite, it would

1193
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:46.679
<v Speaker 2>be very early on at this time for it to

1194
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:48.920
<v Speaker 2>travel clear here and to be organized.

1195
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:52.199
<v Speaker 4>Right, think of this, like, no, they're not about that.

1196
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:54.119
<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying this is this is some network to

1197
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:57.079
<v Speaker 1>the society Cincinnati, right, whatever, this is cool? I think

1198
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:01.559
<v Speaker 1>so well, many of these men are Freemasons, as as

1199
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:03.360
<v Speaker 1>a demonstrated they're all society man.

1200
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:04.719
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.

1201
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:06.480
<v Speaker 4>I think you're hitting the nail on the head.

1202
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:09.639
<v Speaker 2>And this is like goes into even more so why

1203
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:13.119
<v Speaker 2>they're so involved in secret societies to this day, right.

1204
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Big time, big time, And again I can droll correlations

1205
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.440
<v Speaker 1>all modern day parapolitics in the society of Cincinnati, including

1206
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean just again and basically anything, right,

1207
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, for the most part, including let's just go

1208
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:32.199
<v Speaker 1>with this one. So both the guys who took shots

1209
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:35.679
<v Speaker 1>at Trump, right, Ruth and and uh, what's the what's

1210
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.039
<v Speaker 1>the other fella's name? What's this what's the weird looking

1211
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:41.239
<v Speaker 1>fellow in Pennsylvania, real squirrely looking.

1212
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:43.679
<v Speaker 2>Guy, the one that worked for Black Nick you know

1213
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:44.360
<v Speaker 2>what I'm talking about?

1214
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Who uh talk about?

1215
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.639
<v Speaker 1>No, No, that's Trump shooter in Pennsylvania, the Butler Rally guy.

1216
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:59.039
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember his name anyhow. Anyhow, they're both paternal

1217
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:03.159
<v Speaker 1>descendants from members. I don't know if their members, but

1218
01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:06.559
<v Speaker 1>they're both paternal descendants of original members of the Society

1219
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:10.559
<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati. So going back to their paternal line, you'll

1220
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:14.199
<v Speaker 1>find a Lieutenant Ruth, and you'll find a colonel you know,

1221
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:19.239
<v Speaker 1>squarely looking fellow in Pennsylvania and in Washington, Pennsylvania, right

1222
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.280
<v Speaker 1>right where Solomon spauld and the Book of Mormon seems

1223
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:25.079
<v Speaker 1>to respawn, same county, same time frame, right, those are

1224
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:27.199
<v Speaker 1>the guys that settled that that area. That's the first

1225
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:31.880
<v Speaker 1>free city in America, Washington, Washington, Pennsylvania there in Washington County,

1226
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:34.679
<v Speaker 1>first free city in America settled seventeen eighty three by

1227
01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 1>Clan Vance. Just saying Clan Vance is everywhere. That's That's

1228
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:44.880
<v Speaker 1>what I like to say.

1229
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:48.800
<v Speaker 4>He's not the president either, define.

1230
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.159
<v Speaker 1>So it is weird though it does seem again like

1231
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:55.440
<v Speaker 1>we can I'm sure you've seen in a lot of

1232
01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:58.360
<v Speaker 1>your studies, like relative to the Howard Hughes situation and

1233
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.199
<v Speaker 1>the stuff we've talked about on our on our Occult

1234
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Reject series there with the Mormon stuff, like these are

1235
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.679
<v Speaker 1>the folks you're talking about? Are the Mormon pioneering families, right,

1236
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:09.559
<v Speaker 1>that are involved in these these activities out west and

1237
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:12.760
<v Speaker 1>controlling kind of the power in politics out there, right,

1238
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:14.440
<v Speaker 1>this gay fa for example.

1239
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:16.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it makes so much more sense when you're talking

1240
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:18.880
<v Speaker 2>about a group or a society because I could never

1241
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:24.000
<v Speaker 2>figure out why the hell all these blue bloods were like, yeah,

1242
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:28.599
<v Speaker 2>let's just go to Utah, like from England or mine

1243
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.760
<v Speaker 2>were in South Africa or yeah, South Africa at the time.

1244
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:34.519
<v Speaker 4>But I was like, why would they come here? Why

1245
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:35.320
<v Speaker 4>would they come here?

1246
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Like what?

1247
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:38.639
<v Speaker 2>But it makes more sense if that this was like

1248
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:41.800
<v Speaker 2>a decision made by a society, right.

1249
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and again they're they're Freemasons, where they also have

1250
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:47.280
<v Speaker 1>other stuff. Again, this was this was kind of some

1251
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:49.599
<v Speaker 1>of their philosophies, as published by one of their early

1252
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:53.000
<v Speaker 1>members and a founding father of America, Elves Boodino. This

1253
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:56.480
<v Speaker 1>is what the Mormons adapted to their lost tribes you know, philosophies.

1254
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:01.119
<v Speaker 1>So they did take the magical stuff from Freemasonry, right

1255
01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:04.280
<v Speaker 1>and wrap that up into Mormonism and other magical stuff

1256
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.199
<v Speaker 1>as well as as you're pointing out with these these

1257
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, Holy Guardian Angel things. So what what do

1258
01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:12.480
<v Speaker 1>you think is the what are the what are the

1259
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:16.679
<v Speaker 1>biggest comparisons between Crowley's holding Holy Guardian Angel you know

1260
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.199
<v Speaker 1>ritual and Joseph Smiths here? What what are we talking here?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? They're very paralleled, at least I felt, Nick. How

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<v Speaker 4>do you feel about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>No, Well, when you kind of mentioned it that other

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01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 5>time on the show, I don't know why I never clicked,

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01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.400
<v Speaker 5>but uh, I do think Brona would make sense of

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01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:42.159
<v Speaker 5>it was probably Joseph Smith's h GA, Right, there's something

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01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:46.039
<v Speaker 5>that in a sense, Yes, that's what I believe. That's

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01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:47.320
<v Speaker 5>that I could see that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think he took him a long time

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01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:54.159
<v Speaker 2>because you have to perfect the rituals and he was

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01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.840
<v Speaker 2>learning it kind of on more so on his own

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01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:57.440
<v Speaker 2>at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, but right, so the story goes it's eighteen

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01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty three to eighteen twenty seven. However, you know a

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01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.079
<v Speaker 1>couple hundred miles back there on the journey east when

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01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:10.280
<v Speaker 1>they just came from a lot you know, a loal.

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01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:15.079
<v Speaker 1>The Society Cincinnati connected dude as well to George Washington,

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01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:16.719
<v Speaker 1>to the you know, the head of the or the

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01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Connecticut chapter. You know, he's connected everywhere. He's cousins with

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01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Joseph and Gang, right, you know, not that distant of

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01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:26.119
<v Speaker 1>a cousin, that is. You know, he's migrating west at

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01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:27.719
<v Speaker 1>the same time with these folks. And he dies in

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01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Albany and he's saying, don't let them baptize me for

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01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.159
<v Speaker 1>the dead. So you know, you know, this is a

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01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:34.840
<v Speaker 1>couple hundred miles away, you know, a couple of years later, really,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because the first, the first meeting he had,

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01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:38.760
<v Speaker 1>he didn't get any kind of Book of Mormon or

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01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:40.440
<v Speaker 1>anything from that. Right, that didn't go well for it,

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01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:40.719
<v Speaker 1>did he?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, definitely not well. I mean he was

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01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:49.760
<v Speaker 2>making such good friends with everyone.

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01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:52.559
<v Speaker 1>So I really questioned this timeline, you know what I mean,

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01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I really questioned this timeline, given the Society Cincinnati all

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01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.599
<v Speaker 1>around this business. Again, they found it in Faette, New

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01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.760
<v Speaker 1>York there which is again another society town, and right

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01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:04.320
<v Speaker 1>nearby to Faette, New York, you know, just to give

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01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:06.480
<v Speaker 1>you an example of how deep it was in society

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01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:10.519
<v Speaker 1>territory Cincinnatis, New York right nearby, that's next door they

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01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:15.760
<v Speaker 1>have that. So we're talking to heavy society territory. This

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01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:20.840
<v Speaker 1>is erupting from again Washington, PA. Where Riggedin is coming

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01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:23.920
<v Speaker 1>from and where that saw him, the Spaulding fella comes from,

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01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:30.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, heavy society country. Crooks, Matthew Crooks, Colonel Crooks.

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01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:34.280
<v Speaker 1>That was a fella's name. He he he was a

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01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:37.599
<v Speaker 1>society member out of Pennsylvania. That was a settled one

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01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:40.920
<v Speaker 1>of the early settlers there in Washington, PA. His younger

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01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.800
<v Speaker 1>brother would be uh, would be one of the early

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01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:49.320
<v Speaker 1>settlers of Cincinnati, you know headquarters.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, I think the reason why they so often pull

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01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:55.920
<v Speaker 2>apart from you know, why would you hide the fact

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01:04:55.960 --> 01:05:00.519
<v Speaker 2>that your grandpa, you know, started helped start the Boston

1312
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:02.639
<v Speaker 2>Tea Party. Why would you hide the fact that he

1313
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:06.280
<v Speaker 2>was Captain Samuel Smith. Why would you hide the fact

1314
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.000
<v Speaker 2>that all of these things like this is not taught

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01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:13.119
<v Speaker 2>to us where we're proud to be very patriotic as

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01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:13.960
<v Speaker 2>LDS people.

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01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:17.239
<v Speaker 4>Why would they hide that? Right? But it's all.

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01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Because it connects back to where Massachusetts and what does

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01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that connect to Well, you know, he was also famous

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01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:27.199
<v Speaker 2>for being involved in the inquisition, and if you are

1321
01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:31.360
<v Speaker 2>practicing magic, what's the best way to do anything to

1322
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.400
<v Speaker 2>deflect off yourself blame someone else. He had someone hung,

1323
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:38.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean he literally testified against her, and

1324
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:43.880
<v Speaker 2>so you know, when you're talking about all of this stuff,

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01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.719
<v Speaker 2>it makes a lot more sense, like, oh, that's why

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01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:47.920
<v Speaker 2>they don't want to bring that up.

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01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:49.360
<v Speaker 4>Let's not bring that up.

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01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, Heidi, what you're describing to me, I kind of

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01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:55.960
<v Speaker 1>view as these same families within the society feuding amongst

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01:05:55.960 --> 01:06:00.000
<v Speaker 1>themselves prior to the Aaron Burr assassination of Alexander Hamilt's

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01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.119
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like, this is a this

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01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:03.480
<v Speaker 1>is a long you know what I'm saying, These are

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01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:05.599
<v Speaker 1>long standing family feuds.

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01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:07.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yep, exactly.

1335
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:11.800
<v Speaker 1>It's wild and they you know, obviously there's some of

1336
01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:14.639
<v Speaker 1>the anti Masonic stuff caused the Mormonisms to go underground,

1337
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:17.599
<v Speaker 1>where their their practices to go underground to create Mormonism.

1338
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I do think that was part of it.

1339
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, you guys do know he married we'll spiritually

1340
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:24.599
<v Speaker 2>married Morgan's widow.

1341
01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:28.039
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was. I'm glad you said that that's

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01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:33.199
<v Speaker 1>what I was going to bring up next marriage.

1343
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:35.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yes, well.

1344
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Captain William Morgan. He would have been a member of

1345
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the New York chapter of the Society of Cincinnati. So

1346
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:42.760
<v Speaker 1>once again we're talking society business, not just freemasonry, although

1347
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:44.599
<v Speaker 1>that is what he got. He got in trouble for

1348
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:47.440
<v Speaker 1>right though, printing of the phil sonic stuff.

1349
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Not just plural marriage polyandre. He was hitting up other

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01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:53.800
<v Speaker 2>people's wives. They were already married.

1351
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:57.159
<v Speaker 1>So so what's the official stands from from the from

1352
01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the mother ship in Salt Lake City today, digjo, So Smith,

1353
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:03.480
<v Speaker 1>you have more than one? They say, yes, he did, right,

1354
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:05.840
<v Speaker 1>But it was like he needed to God said so right.

1355
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:09.559
<v Speaker 2>Until I was fifteen, he never did it. He never did.

1356
01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:10.960
<v Speaker 2>He never did that.

1357
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:12.480
<v Speaker 1>They chase their right.

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01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:15.159
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what the hell is happening? And where

1359
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:17.559
<v Speaker 2>did this hat come from? I thought South Park was

1360
01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:19.800
<v Speaker 2>a lie, and then that's what happened to me.

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01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:22.719
<v Speaker 4>They told me not to watch that.

1362
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:29.360
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so they officially recognized Joseph had a some

1363
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:33.360
<v Speaker 1>plural marriages, right and polyandre. Yes he was. They don't

1364
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:35.079
<v Speaker 1>go into they don't. They don't go into the number,

1365
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:37.119
<v Speaker 1>do they. There's not they don't quantify this, do they?

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01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I don't think they want to play with that. No, right, No,

1367
01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I think they just you know, they hit it forever.

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01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and officially, he's got no extra kids outside

1369
01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:53.119
<v Speaker 1>of his his officially you know, official children within the marriage, right,

1370
01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:54.239
<v Speaker 1>No bastard children.

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01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:57.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's remember about who takes the blood samples. Right,

1372
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:01.039
<v Speaker 2>let's remember Oh wait, ancestry right where?

1373
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Who?

1374
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh they don't own that. But where do they get

1375
01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:07.599
<v Speaker 2>their information? FamilySearch dot org? And how many labs does

1376
01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the LDS church own? Almost all of them?

1377
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:10.880
<v Speaker 4>So good luck.

1378
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:13.760
<v Speaker 1>They don't know anymore. But they definitely had an interested

1379
01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:14.360
<v Speaker 1>in the past.

1380
01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:15.599
<v Speaker 4>He's the rootie.

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01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:18.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just saw that. I was like, oh, whoa,

1383
01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:20.359
<v Speaker 5>I haven't seen him in a while. I just show

1384
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:20.920
<v Speaker 5>that down there.

1385
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:21.199
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1386
01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I talked to him today. I popped in on

1387
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:24.199
<v Speaker 2>his life.

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01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh, man, bastard kids. There you go. See. Yep, he

1389
01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.119
<v Speaker 1>was on the had to have a lot of bastard kids.

1390
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Can we agree on this, right? Like this dude like

1391
01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:36.760
<v Speaker 1>seventy wives. There's no way he's not popping out extra kids.

1392
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's so funny. He missed our gay talk already.

1393
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:45.600
<v Speaker 2>He missed it. Yeah, yeah, well, you have to do

1394
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:48.720
<v Speaker 2>those things because if you don't, you can't hold it

1395
01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:49.840
<v Speaker 2>over anyone's head.

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01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Right. So it's my understanding that even though this was

1397
01:08:56.279 --> 01:09:00.119
<v Speaker 1>a common practice of polygamy there, right, it was on

1398
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:03.640
<v Speaker 1>amongst the upper echelon, right, even going into Navu. So

1399
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:07.479
<v Speaker 1>from from uh from Batavia there near the hill Kamora,

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01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:14.000
<v Speaker 1>to Kirtland to Independence, Missouri, to Nave, Illinois, now Villa, Illinois.

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01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Apparently it is when shit came, shit came to the

1402
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:19.960
<v Speaker 1>surface that Joseph was begging everybody's wife. But that was

1403
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:22.079
<v Speaker 1>because the mayor of he kicked out the mayor of Navo.

1404
01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:22.279
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1405
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember how boy's name, but he kicked out

1406
01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:26.720
<v Speaker 1>old boy and the boys like, well, that's it. I'm

1407
01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.319
<v Speaker 1>just gonna tell everybody, we've just been even begging everybody's wife.

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01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:30.960
<v Speaker 1>And he was doing it with him, right, you know,

1409
01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know at the same time, but you know

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01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:35.319
<v Speaker 1>it was practicing. He was he was the general of

1411
01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:38.319
<v Speaker 1>the militia, right, and the mayor of Navu, and you know,

1412
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:41.000
<v Speaker 1>it was him Joseph and like you know, some others.

1413
01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:42.720
<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't the whole town, right, It wasn't a

1414
01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:44.600
<v Speaker 1>widespread practice.

1415
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:47.960
<v Speaker 4>And and why would we even do that? Right, Like Nick,

1416
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:49.199
<v Speaker 4>why would we even do that?

1417
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:51.840
<v Speaker 2>But but then you bring the magic into it, and

1418
01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:55.079
<v Speaker 2>then you're like sex magic right right, right, right.

1419
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, And I think bring him young, try to kind

1420
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:00.760
<v Speaker 1>of whitewash all the sex magic aspects of it and

1421
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:02.680
<v Speaker 1>try to make it a little bit more socialized with

1422
01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:03.520
<v Speaker 1>the plural marriages.

1423
01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, let me explain about Brigham. He was an underperformer.

1424
01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Brigham Young had fifty five wives and fifty seven children.

1425
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:15.319
<v Speaker 2>That is not going forth and pro creating Brigham. That

1426
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:16.640
<v Speaker 2>has hit it and quit it town.

1427
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:19.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is yeah, he should have had like two

1428
01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:20.760
<v Speaker 3>hundred kids in their eyes.

1429
01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, Okay, so my brother in law four Super

1430
01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Bowls and some MVPs. I mean that dude, that dude

1431
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:29.479
<v Speaker 1>can throw football. I mean he's he's got some talented offspring.

1432
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.399
<v Speaker 2>My my brother in law is Warren Jeff's nephew, and

1433
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:36.000
<v Speaker 2>he grew up in a family with three. He is

1434
01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Warren Jeff's nephew. My brother in law is Warren jesfs

1435
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:46.119
<v Speaker 2>nephew and nikes. So yeah, so but he's a nice guy.

1436
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:48.760
<v Speaker 2>He's out, he's out clearly, but he grew up with

1437
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:51.760
<v Speaker 2>three moms over thirty kids, just those three moms.

1438
01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:55.359
<v Speaker 4>So you're not performing Brigham like.

1439
01:10:55.840 --> 01:11:00.479
<v Speaker 1>Right, but he made more of a widespread practice when

1440
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.479
<v Speaker 1>Brigham's version of Mormon. So I view these things as

1441
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Joseph Smith's version. Then you got Brigham Young's version, which

1442
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:10.399
<v Speaker 1>became the major version. Right my back? Does that cut

1443
01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:11.000
<v Speaker 1>out of my back?

1444
01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:11.520
<v Speaker 2>No?

1445
01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:14.079
<v Speaker 3>You never went anyway. You're here here just like the

1446
01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:14.520
<v Speaker 3>last time.

1447
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Is this for life?

1448
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1449
01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean this is this for life with these

1450
01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Mormons procreating like fucking rabbits. So it seems like the

1451
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Brigham Young version he made the the you know, more

1452
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of the God made us all do this plagamy stuff

1453
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.720
<v Speaker 1>right where j just was like, we're doing this inner

1454
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:38.359
<v Speaker 1>circle sex magic stuff. We're gonna keep it real tight.

1455
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was by the tip of a sword. Boy,

1456
01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:44.079
<v Speaker 2>where have I heard that before? Hmm?

1457
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.760
<v Speaker 4>Let me ask John D. Wait, what did John D say?

1458
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:51.600
<v Speaker 2>If anybody talks to you about talking to angels and

1459
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:56.199
<v Speaker 2>goes after your wife, you should be afraid. Quote from that's.

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01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:59.600
<v Speaker 1>A good point, solid solid advice. I the solid advice.

1461
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. They had to take this underground.

1462
01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:08.079
<v Speaker 1>When when when Joseph Smith gets gets marked there in

1463
01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the car of the Illinois in prison, you know. And

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01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:12.640
<v Speaker 1>this is how Mormon I am. I've been to that

1465
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:16.039
<v Speaker 1>place more than once. I've been my former mentor in

1466
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the Mormon Church. He was actually the whatever, the district

1467
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:21.960
<v Speaker 1>manager for the Hillcamora. I don't know what, I forget

1468
01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:25.359
<v Speaker 1>the names of these these positions. Yeah, regional director if

1469
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:27.199
<v Speaker 1>you will. So I've been to these places more than once.

1470
01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:30.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's how Mormon I used to be. But yes,

1471
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:34.319
<v Speaker 1>the uh now, h will andoy's an experience. It's like,

1472
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:37.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a real it's a real interesting experience.

1473
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I do recommend going to Yeah, yeah, I mean it's

1474
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:43.000
<v Speaker 1>it's an interesting you know, they've captain at Waysburg like

1475
01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:46.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of colonial times, right, mm hmm yep.

1476
01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:48.560
<v Speaker 1>When when he gets marked there and the rest of

1477
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:50.439
<v Speaker 1>his family, you know, who didn't get marked with him

1478
01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:53.239
<v Speaker 1>gets marked Shirley Letter, after his brother, his other brother,

1479
01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:55.680
<v Speaker 1>his nephew, et cetera. You know, there's a real real

1480
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:58.680
<v Speaker 1>diversion with the church. Obviously, his one son, his other

1481
01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:03.039
<v Speaker 1>son takes takes the church. Joseph Smith, the third right,

1482
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:05.960
<v Speaker 1>he takes the church. They become the Reorganized Church. But

1483
01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:07.960
<v Speaker 1>he was all but folded today, I believe, right.

1484
01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:11.880
<v Speaker 2>It is well, and then nobody ever talks about what

1485
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:15.039
<v Speaker 2>happened to the youngest son, which is you know what

1486
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:16.319
<v Speaker 2>happened to the youngest son?

1487
01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:21.079
<v Speaker 4>Right, Anyway, it's sad he ends up in.

1488
01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:22.600
<v Speaker 1>What Happened to the Youngest Son.

1489
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he ends up institutionalized for most of his life.

1490
01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:30.560
<v Speaker 2>They basically make him. Yeah, it's pretty sad. Actually they

1491
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:33.720
<v Speaker 2>gave the Kennedy experience, right with the Kennedy and he was.

1492
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:37.239
<v Speaker 4>He was gay, I guess, and so it was a

1493
01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:39.840
<v Speaker 4>whole thing. It was sad. It was They actually called

1494
01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:42.359
<v Speaker 4>him like the sacrifice, like the sacrificial one.

1495
01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Makes you wonder if he wasn't daddled as a child

1496
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:48.720
<v Speaker 1>in some sort of weird sex magic ritual. Right, well, I.

1497
01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Think he might have escaped it, but only because he

1498
01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:56.079
<v Speaker 2>was born after after they were gone. So Emma had

1499
01:13:56.119 --> 01:13:58.840
<v Speaker 2>took an off and she was pregnant and they were

1500
01:13:58.880 --> 01:13:59.960
<v Speaker 2>already going to Utah.

1501
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:03.800
<v Speaker 4>Uh So yeah, it was sad, sad, So that sad.

1502
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:06.880
<v Speaker 1>So she went to Utah and her son went to Missouri. Huh.

1503
01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:11.159
<v Speaker 2>And so yeah it gets weird, yep. And then you know,

1504
01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:13.840
<v Speaker 2>the whole way that they took over, you know, the

1505
01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:15.000
<v Speaker 2>whole way Brigham got in.

1506
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:16.199
<v Speaker 4>Did you hear that story?

1507
01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Uh no, please tell me, Okay, I don't recall at

1508
01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:26.760
<v Speaker 1>least you know, how did everybody young father wanted yeah championship.

1509
01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:32.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, it was because somebody had a bad day and

1510
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:34.239
<v Speaker 2>everybody thought it would be rigged in.

1511
01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:37.560
<v Speaker 4>And he kind of was sick that day, and so

1512
01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:39.880
<v Speaker 4>he didn't perform well.

1513
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:42.720
<v Speaker 2>I guess they had like a little speech, you know,

1514
01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:44.239
<v Speaker 2>and they got up there and did their speech, and

1515
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:46.680
<v Speaker 2>he didn't do well, but Brigham did extra well.

1516
01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:47.520
<v Speaker 4>But this is weird.

1517
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:52.239
<v Speaker 2>I dare wonder if if the brothers of Brigham helped

1518
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:55.359
<v Speaker 2>him out in some ways this day, because they made

1519
01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:58.840
<v Speaker 2>it appear as if Joseph was speaking, and there were

1520
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:02.840
<v Speaker 2>people in the crowd that completely attested that they saw

1521
01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Joseph Smith through Brigham Young that day and that was

1522
01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:07.560
<v Speaker 2>why they knew.

1523
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:11.000
<v Speaker 1>So, oh, that's a great storyline. I love their necromancy,

1524
01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:12.479
<v Speaker 1>right of course.

1525
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:16.680
<v Speaker 2>You gotta remember, they love that stuff even they even

1526
01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:20.479
<v Speaker 2>heard it, They even heard the voice. So the one

1527
01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:24.079
<v Speaker 2>thing with Lucy in her book, she kind of did

1528
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:27.520
<v Speaker 2>a sneaky little thing there with this whole doctor Nathan

1529
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:31.239
<v Speaker 2>and you know Dartmouth, Well, she just says little things.

1530
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:34.880
<v Speaker 2>She just says little things like you know. And then

1531
01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Hiram went to a school and doctor Nathan came, but

1532
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:41.199
<v Speaker 2>she forgot his last name even though it's her last name,

1533
01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:44.600
<v Speaker 2>and all this stuff. And she's just playing little game

1534
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:47.359
<v Speaker 2>with Brigham Young, like pay me some money, bitch, or

1535
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:49.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to burn your ass down, and that's what

1536
01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:52.600
<v Speaker 2>they say it was. And she got her money and

1537
01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:56.159
<v Speaker 2>he helped support her, and she deserved it because let's admit,

1538
01:15:56.319 --> 01:16:00.399
<v Speaker 2>she lost almost half her kids and like her family

1539
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.359
<v Speaker 2>and the brothers and the you know uncles and her.

1540
01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:06.039
<v Speaker 4>Husband, and yeah, I'd be pissed too, I get it.

1541
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:08.319
<v Speaker 4>A girl charity was there.

1542
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:10.640
<v Speaker 1>If you bring up a lot of good points regarding

1543
01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:14.520
<v Speaker 1>the turmoil of the immediate aftermath of Joseph Smith getting Mrked.

1544
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, he went from gonna he went from telling

1545
01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:20.319
<v Speaker 1>everybody's gonna be president running the biggest army outside of

1546
01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:23.479
<v Speaker 1>the US Army to you know, being friends with Abraham Lincoln,

1547
01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:26.279
<v Speaker 1>for example. I think that's often overlooked. I suspect that

1548
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Society of Cincinnati relationship, you know, for example, Abraham Lincoln's

1549
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:33.920
<v Speaker 1>law partner represented Joseph Smith in at least one court case,

1550
01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and it seems like at least one day Abraham Lincoln

1551
01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:38.560
<v Speaker 1>came to watch that trial at least one day.

1552
01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:40.079
<v Speaker 4>Mmm. Very interesting.

1553
01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:43.159
<v Speaker 1>So he had some he had some good friends there

1554
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:46.840
<v Speaker 1>networked in. But again Lincoln being society Cincinnati as well

1555
01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:51.399
<v Speaker 1>from his grandfather also named Abe Lincoln. He was a

1556
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:54.680
<v Speaker 1>member of the Virginia Chapter captain in the Army of

1557
01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Washington's Army. But so during this turmoil, we had, you know,

1558
01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:00.399
<v Speaker 1>numerous factions, right, this is one of my favor everts.

1559
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:02.159
<v Speaker 1>The string guites you familiar?

1560
01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:04.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, oh yes, I'm getting ready to do a

1561
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:09.680
<v Speaker 4>show about this. Not my show, yeah, not mine. I'm

1562
01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:11.640
<v Speaker 4>having somebody from there from the area.

1563
01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Come on. What's your What's what's what are some of

1564
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:17.439
<v Speaker 1>your favorite aspects of the strain guide factions.

1565
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:20.199
<v Speaker 2>That I have not I've not deep dove this. I

1566
01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:22.239
<v Speaker 2>just know the basics because he asked me not to

1567
01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:24.920
<v Speaker 2>do that. So he wants to come on and present,

1568
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:26.439
<v Speaker 2>so I.

1569
01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Have to totally my favorite parts? Is this too decided?

1570
01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:31.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, I watched Joseph do it. I'll get to

1571
01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:34.039
<v Speaker 1>do the same thing. So he went up to Wisconsin

1572
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:37.279
<v Speaker 1>from from Nauvoo there and he started he found himself

1573
01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a mound up there in Wisconsin, claimed to have found

1574
01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:44.479
<v Speaker 1>it rich in Wisconsin, well, some sketchy mount sketchy mount,

1575
01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:48.560
<v Speaker 1>he claim. He claims to have found his own version

1576
01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:51.800
<v Speaker 1>of the of the Golden Tablets there, uh in uh

1577
01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:54.920
<v Speaker 1>in a mound there, had his own little angel experience

1578
01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:57.720
<v Speaker 1>with Maron I, and started the strain Guide faction, which

1579
01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:00.000
<v Speaker 1>still exists there today. And there's like a one hundred people.

1580
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.119
<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, that's it too bad.

1581
01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:05.760
<v Speaker 1>But he literally followed the same playbook right as Joseph Smith.

1582
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:07.840
<v Speaker 1>And you know it's like, hey, I got I got

1583
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:09.279
<v Speaker 1>some some golden plates here.

1584
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:11.760
<v Speaker 4>You want to do you want to hear from another one?

1585
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:12.680
<v Speaker 4>I got an angel?

1586
01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:14.159
<v Speaker 1>You know, I got an angel.

1587
01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk some Let's talk some angel stuff people, people.

1588
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:20.880
<v Speaker 2>There's lots of people talking to spirits, just as Crowley.

1589
01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:24.800
<v Speaker 3>It is interesting a lot of like, oh well, I

1590
01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.399
<v Speaker 3>mean going back to angels. I mean, isn't that how?

1591
01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean?

1592
01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:31.680
<v Speaker 5>Even Islam came about all of them, all of them.

1593
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:35.079
<v Speaker 5>I mean many things go back to like receiving a

1594
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:36.800
<v Speaker 5>message from some time that jo.

1595
01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:40.359
<v Speaker 4>Yep, all of them, all.

1596
01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:41.079
<v Speaker 2>Of them so.

1597
01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Much like go ahead, go ahead, idie.

1598
01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, one of my favorite comparisons is

1599
01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:52.720
<v Speaker 2>to say, okay, you know, we start with Don John

1600
01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:55.039
<v Speaker 2>d and he's talking to angels. He thinks it's a

1601
01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:57.479
<v Speaker 2>god thing. And then they're writing things down and then

1602
01:18:57.600 --> 01:18:59.920
<v Speaker 2>it push comes to shove them. They're like sex time,

1603
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:03.239
<v Speaker 2>sex magic time. And then that's when every one of

1604
01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:05.520
<v Speaker 2>them are like uh oh, and then they do it,

1605
01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:08.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's with all of them, it's it's

1606
01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:10.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, Crowley, what does he do? Same thing.

1607
01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:11.560
<v Speaker 4>He's on his honeymoon.

1608
01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:13.840
<v Speaker 2>There was already sexual magic happening there. I'm sure there's

1609
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:15.720
<v Speaker 2>some freaky stuff. And he didn't care if it looked

1610
01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.760
<v Speaker 2>like an alien because guess why, he wasn't afraid so.

1611
01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:20.560
<v Speaker 4>To talk about freaking like an alien.

1612
01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Same thought, yes, and so you know it is what

1613
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:26.159
<v Speaker 2>it is.

1614
01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:30.239
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so yeah, well and on that now with

1615
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:32.319
<v Speaker 1>the strang guys here, one of the other my other

1616
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:35.399
<v Speaker 1>fair parts is they follow the Mothership in nineteen seventy

1617
01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:37.800
<v Speaker 1>eight and started letting some black folks and join the church.

1618
01:19:37.880 --> 01:19:42.359
<v Speaker 1>So that was kind of them speaking of the white

1619
01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:45.079
<v Speaker 1>nationalists bend of the Mormons and even into the even

1620
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:48.880
<v Speaker 1>in their offshoot factions that don't comprise a very large population,

1621
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:52.000
<v Speaker 1>they're still doing that same same nonsense, right, and they're

1622
01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:54.439
<v Speaker 1>still falling in on the same same letter of the

1623
01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Mothership essentially.

1624
01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:58.760
<v Speaker 2>And all of this part right, all this old stuff

1625
01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.880
<v Speaker 2>about the church, all this is like more magical. But

1626
01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:04.399
<v Speaker 2>then later it becomes a corporation and now they're just

1627
01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:07.520
<v Speaker 2>part of the New World Order and they're all hooked together, period,

1628
01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:11.399
<v Speaker 2>all of them, Like that's why you know, it's just

1629
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:13.920
<v Speaker 2>a big incorporation now, and they all hail to the

1630
01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:16.560
<v Speaker 2>beast so so period.

1631
01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:19.039
<v Speaker 1>So when it came down to this, all this magic

1632
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:21.159
<v Speaker 1>stuff in this So that was the sixties, that one

1633
01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:23.479
<v Speaker 1>book with the tainers and folks, that was kind of

1634
01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:26.760
<v Speaker 1>the first anti Mormon book published. Really these folks kind

1635
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:29.239
<v Speaker 1>of mentioned the magic stuff. But then then the eighties

1636
01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:32.119
<v Speaker 1>come about with Mark Hoffman and there was the Salamander letters.

1637
01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:37.560
<v Speaker 4>Right, Oh, yes, the Salamander letters. I think he was

1638
01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:38.920
<v Speaker 4>set up man, Like.

1639
01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I've said, what did the Salamander letter? Mark Faufman, who

1640
01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:45.239
<v Speaker 1>was later convicted of a large scale forgery of a

1641
01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:47.439
<v Speaker 1>lot of old documents that he was forging and selling

1642
01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:50.439
<v Speaker 1>and whatnot. Pretty lucrative effort which he was definitely part

1643
01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:52.199
<v Speaker 1>of a network. I agree he was the fall guy

1644
01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:58.079
<v Speaker 1>and for sure, for sure, But what did this Salamander

1645
01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:02.720
<v Speaker 1>letter allegedly assert regarding Mormon history? As we were describing

1646
01:21:03.159 --> 01:21:06.560
<v Speaker 1>the dbous timeline and nature of Mormons there neckromancy may

1647
01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:09.159
<v Speaker 1>have been started as early as eighteen twenty four, according

1648
01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:14.520
<v Speaker 1>to Joseph's cousin, Major Elias Buel. You know, what are

1649
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:16.560
<v Speaker 1>we talking here? As far as this magic though, this,

1650
01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:19.880
<v Speaker 1>this is what this letter said, right, was basically an

1651
01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:23.159
<v Speaker 1>eyewitness to this Holy Guardian angel event you were describing

1652
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:26.119
<v Speaker 1>at the Hill Kamora cr K eighteen twenty you know,

1653
01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:29.000
<v Speaker 1>three to eighteen twenty seven, allegedly. But it wasn't an

1654
01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:31.159
<v Speaker 1>angel though, right this, According to this business, it was

1655
01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:33.279
<v Speaker 1>magic stuff and lizard stuff. Right.

1656
01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:35.760
<v Speaker 4>Well, here's the here's the thing.

1657
01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:40.600
<v Speaker 2>What we know. You know, I think the church pregamed this, honestly,

1658
01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:43.359
<v Speaker 2>And I think Hoffman was so wrapped up in what

1659
01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:46.359
<v Speaker 2>he was getting from the church because he was so

1660
01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:49.680
<v Speaker 2>involved with like, oh, give me more cool books, give.

1661
01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:51.800
<v Speaker 4>Me more cool parchments. He was really into all that,

1662
01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:54.279
<v Speaker 4>and he would trade fake things for real things. And

1663
01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:55.520
<v Speaker 4>we know that or get money.

1664
01:21:56.079 --> 01:22:00.359
<v Speaker 2>But then here's the situation is I know, oh, for

1665
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:04.079
<v Speaker 2>a fact, there is a true story about Joseph Smith

1666
01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:08.359
<v Speaker 2>and a toad, and that is because of his treasure

1667
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:11.159
<v Speaker 2>digging court case where you could go look up the

1668
01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:15.600
<v Speaker 2>affid davit for the Chase Chase Willard Chase talks about this.

1669
01:22:16.119 --> 01:22:18.359
<v Speaker 2>There's all kinds of neighbors that went in and talked

1670
01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:21.680
<v Speaker 2>about this, and these are affid davits. This isn't hearsay.

1671
01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:25.560
<v Speaker 2>This is something that really was documented that this happened.

1672
01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:29.880
<v Speaker 2>And so a toad is very witch is familiar. That

1673
01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:33.039
<v Speaker 2>is a more dark side of magic, whereas a salamander.

1674
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:38.439
<v Speaker 2>The salamander is more it's not forged by the fire.

1675
01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:42.159
<v Speaker 2>We're talking about Rosicrucianism. We're talking about you know, it's

1676
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.680
<v Speaker 2>a better thing. And I think they basically had Mark

1677
01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Hoffman rearrange that they put it out because I've never

1678
01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:52.199
<v Speaker 2>seen the church jump on board on something so fast.

1679
01:22:52.239 --> 01:22:55.079
<v Speaker 2>They put it in their enzyme, they distribute it to

1680
01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:56.720
<v Speaker 2>their members, they put that.

1681
01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:58.760
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was gonna say. They were talking about

1682
01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:02.399
<v Speaker 1>this from the pulpit right general conference, right, They were like,

1683
01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:04.960
<v Speaker 1>this is legitimate, folks, let's take it down to not

1684
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:07.039
<v Speaker 1>this is legitimate, this is real.

1685
01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:10.399
<v Speaker 2>Don't be doubting the salamander. And everyone that was magical

1686
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:13.399
<v Speaker 2>in that room knew what that meant at that time,

1687
01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:17.479
<v Speaker 2>because the salamander is something totally different and represents something

1688
01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:21.439
<v Speaker 2>completely different. And so I think they knew. I think

1689
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:23.199
<v Speaker 2>they pulled one on old Mark.

1690
01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:25.079
<v Speaker 4>And this is why when Mark.

1691
01:23:24.920 --> 01:23:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Went to you make you make a strong argument. So

1692
01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:28.920
<v Speaker 1>this this letter, the contents of it, at least for

1693
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:32.800
<v Speaker 1>folks of the interwebs, I'm familiar with it. Yes, the

1694
01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:35.960
<v Speaker 1>contents of the letter implied a magical aspect of Smith's life,

1695
01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:39.800
<v Speaker 1>a controversial subject debated amongst scholars of the Latter Day

1696
01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Saying history, the Salamander letter was supposedly written by Martin

1697
01:23:43.039 --> 01:23:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Harris and W. W. Phelps, an early convert in the

1698
01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Latter Day Save movement. Now, Martin Harris was allegedly one

1699
01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:52.880
<v Speaker 1>of the apostles right who witnessed the the actual Golden plates,

1700
01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:55.840
<v Speaker 1>right and fundation, one of the three witnesses. Right.

1701
01:23:56.079 --> 01:23:59.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he lost his farm for it and his wife.

1702
01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:02.239
<v Speaker 1>So this letter is allegedly written by him, though, right,

1703
01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:04.399
<v Speaker 1>saying this is what he'd actually witnessed the set of

1704
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:07.359
<v Speaker 1>what the church says he witnesses right in that three

1705
01:24:07.439 --> 01:24:11.520
<v Speaker 1>witness situation, this letter actually says what he actually witnesses

1706
01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:15.039
<v Speaker 1>that correct. Yes, if it works to be right, that's

1707
01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:16.119
<v Speaker 1>what be right.

1708
01:24:16.920 --> 01:24:17.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1709
01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:20.520
<v Speaker 2>So and then I do think what they did to

1710
01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:24.039
<v Speaker 2>him is they had him fix quote unquote fix this

1711
01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:26.880
<v Speaker 2>for them, because this is going to lead to the

1712
01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:29.600
<v Speaker 2>dark history that they've tried to cover up. That they

1713
01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:35.479
<v Speaker 2>are statesmen from Massachusetts, from Topsfield, Massachusetts, involved in the Inquisition,

1714
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Captain Samuel Smith, and you cannot find that in his

1715
01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:43.359
<v Speaker 2>bloodline unless you trace up through Jesse period. And so

1716
01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:46.520
<v Speaker 2>they want to get away from all that ugliness. And

1717
01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:49.199
<v Speaker 2>I think this was going to help them, But I

1718
01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:51.840
<v Speaker 2>also think they knew that he was screwing them, like

1719
01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:55.159
<v Speaker 2>as far as money deals and different things. Now they'll

1720
01:24:55.199 --> 01:24:57.359
<v Speaker 2>say they never had anything to do with this because

1721
01:24:57.359 --> 01:25:00.640
<v Speaker 2>they'll say that it was a private bishop that purchased

1722
01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:02.399
<v Speaker 2>but the church is known for doing this. They gave

1723
01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:04.319
<v Speaker 2>the money to the bishop, the bishop purchased it on

1724
01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:05.960
<v Speaker 2>his own, blah blah blah.

1725
01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:06.840
<v Speaker 4>It's like a whole thing.

1726
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:10.520
<v Speaker 2>So you know, with Mark, the interesting part is he's

1727
01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:14.520
<v Speaker 2>singing like a canary after he went to prison, and

1728
01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:17.840
<v Speaker 2>then one day he stopped singing.

1729
01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:18.760
<v Speaker 4>Want to know why?

1730
01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Because he was in a maximum security area, clearly because

1731
01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:27.880
<v Speaker 2>he was accused of murder, and he laid on the

1732
01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:33.760
<v Speaker 2>floor because supposedly he tried to Killery himself, and he

1733
01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:37.760
<v Speaker 2>took a bunch of medicine that supposedly he had saved up,

1734
01:25:37.880 --> 01:25:40.039
<v Speaker 2>and he laid there for twelve hours. The only problem

1735
01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:43.479
<v Speaker 2>with that is you're in maximum security and they do

1736
01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:45.800
<v Speaker 2>rounds and they check on you, and they have to

1737
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:48.640
<v Speaker 2>document and all these things. It's a prison, it's not

1738
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:52.640
<v Speaker 2>a camp. And so he's laying on the cold floor forever.

1739
01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:55.840
<v Speaker 2>And the only thing that happened to poor Mark afterward

1740
01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:59.840
<v Speaker 2>was that his right hand was completely neurologically damaged and

1741
01:25:59.880 --> 01:26:01.239
<v Speaker 2>he will never forge again.

1742
01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:06.640
<v Speaker 1>You tell me, Yeah, that's convenient, right, So, I mean

1743
01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:08.439
<v Speaker 1>the whole offense tale. I think you're pointing out some

1744
01:26:08.479 --> 01:26:10.199
<v Speaker 1>great points. We don't know the whole story. And there

1745
01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:12.079
<v Speaker 1>was a lot of folks that he was certainly the

1746
01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:15.880
<v Speaker 1>patsy for but he got blamed, never saw for bombings, right, Yeah.

1747
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>He never talked again ever, which is why we got

1748
01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:22.960
<v Speaker 2>the Laffardy story. Because the Lafferties are a big part

1749
01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:25.880
<v Speaker 2>of what happened later with changing the temple ceremony. But

1750
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the Lafferties were arrested, And the whole reason why we

1751
01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:30.520
<v Speaker 2>have that story is because they went, Hey, you.

1752
01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:32.279
<v Speaker 4>Want to talk to some Mormons, we'll go.

1753
01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:36.199
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. Let's talk and Mormon stuff. So one

1754
01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:38.520
<v Speaker 1>of the things I find most interesting those Tener folks

1755
01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:41.039
<v Speaker 1>I was talking about, Heidie. They came out against the

1756
01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Salamander Letter. The folks who published this, they were the

1757
01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:47.079
<v Speaker 1>they were the essentially the controlled opposition of the Mothership,

1758
01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:49.880
<v Speaker 1>writing this anti Mormon book in the sixties. Come the eighties,

1759
01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>they're like, wait a second, we're siding with the Mothership.

1760
01:26:52.760 --> 01:26:56.560
<v Speaker 1>We think this is fake. You know, when it came

1761
01:26:56.600 --> 01:26:58.239
<v Speaker 1>to that point, they were out. They were out against

1762
01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the whole time. But eventually the church, you know when

1763
01:27:01.079 --> 01:27:03.399
<v Speaker 1>when they when they declared it a forgery, you know,

1764
01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>it came about the same way that they're agreeing with

1765
01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>the Tanners. I mean, wait a second, that doesn't make

1766
01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:08.399
<v Speaker 1>any sense.

1767
01:27:08.359 --> 01:27:10.199
<v Speaker 4>Right, Why would they agree with Yeah.

1768
01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Why wouldn't the Tanners be on board for all

1769
01:27:12.479 --> 01:27:14.439
<v Speaker 1>this stuff? This is they already talk about the ceremonial

1770
01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>magic stuff, right, so I guess exactly this is where

1771
01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:21.319
<v Speaker 1>I got the ideas of that manuscript from Solomon Spaulding

1772
01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:26.079
<v Speaker 1>was from this book in eighteen thirty four called Mormonism Unveiled, right.

1773
01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:28.720
<v Speaker 1>And it also apparently, as you were saying, this is

1774
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>what the salamander letters allude to, this elludes this you know,

1775
01:27:33.119 --> 01:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>a toad, as you were saying, I'm just sorry a

1776
01:27:34.680 --> 01:27:37.319
<v Speaker 1>toad being involved, right, whereas you said, like.

1777
01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:39.560
<v Speaker 4>A toad turned into a man and punched in.

1778
01:27:40.119 --> 01:27:42.399
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And as you were saying, they rolled it out

1779
01:27:42.439 --> 01:27:44.399
<v Speaker 1>of much church, they churched it up, they churched it

1780
01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:49.119
<v Speaker 1>up salt like city fashion and called it a salamander. Right, Yes, Well,

1781
01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>because back is eighteen four, right, they're talking about this

1782
01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>stuff in books, right, So people knew about this shit.

1783
01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Yep, some people, but remember how many you know didn't

1784
01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:01.520
<v Speaker 2>want to look at anti more in propaganda, I mean,

1785
01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:03.399
<v Speaker 2>so they could cover it up pretty easy.

1786
01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, that's what I was getting a look at

1787
01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:08.079
<v Speaker 1>the power of this organization dating back to eighteen thirty four.

1788
01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>And most folks have never heard of this book. So

1789
01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:13.159
<v Speaker 1>what is this toad punching stuff? Nick? What's that about?

1790
01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:16.119
<v Speaker 1>What's toad fighting about? What does that mean magically speaking?

1791
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:17.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know.

1792
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:19.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm not kung fu fighting.

1793
01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:23.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean this is where teenage munitas of turtles came from.

1794
01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:28.760
<v Speaker 4>Right, Well, we get into that weird we get into

1795
01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:31.079
<v Speaker 4>that weird frog think cat.

1796
01:28:32.119 --> 01:28:34.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I do think there's a lot I think frogs though,

1797
01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:35.760
<v Speaker 5>I mean old joking you side, I do you think

1798
01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:38.560
<v Speaker 5>that can get into some deep symbolism for multiple reasons.

1799
01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>And it's return of the frogs gay apparently and not

1800
01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:43.359
<v Speaker 1>the gay Mormon family either.

1801
01:28:44.039 --> 01:28:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, the dark well, and it's darker like if

1802
01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:50.039
<v Speaker 2>you really know about magic, they would know that the.

1803
01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:53.199
<v Speaker 4>Darker parts are toad.

1804
01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Cat, black cat, toad like think of Harry Potter. What

1805
01:28:56.279 --> 01:28:58.800
<v Speaker 2>did they say they could bring, right, Like a rat,

1806
01:28:59.319 --> 01:29:03.199
<v Speaker 2>a toad, or a cat. That's your three options, right

1807
01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:07.279
<v Speaker 2>and an owl? And so it makes sense. And then

1808
01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:08.720
<v Speaker 2>when you're talking about like.

1809
01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>A much more gentler option, they're friendly option.

1810
01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Option, right, Well, they're a Rosicrucian tradition that they're they're

1811
01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:19.079
<v Speaker 2>really symbolic for Rosicrucianism.

1812
01:29:21.279 --> 01:29:28.359
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, yep, they talked. The lizards were talking here, wizards, salamander, Salamander's.

1813
01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was going to take because of fire.

1814
01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:33.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was just going to say that because of

1815
01:29:33.079 --> 01:29:35.399
<v Speaker 5>the fire symbol, I could see Salomon the making alchemy.

1816
01:29:36.279 --> 01:29:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that they can withstand, they can withstand the flame,

1817
01:29:40.399 --> 01:29:43.479
<v Speaker 2>and they are more pure, and it's it's it's not

1818
01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>like witches. And remember what we're trying to stay away from, right,

1819
01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Captain Samuel Smith, the witch burner. I think that's what

1820
01:29:52.199 --> 01:29:53.159
<v Speaker 2>they were worried about.

1821
01:29:53.479 --> 01:29:55.439
<v Speaker 1>So they can they can grow their tails back to

1822
01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that's some sort of magic that.

1823
01:29:56.920 --> 01:30:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Can regenerate that, right with this regeneration, right, absolutely, they

1824
01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:04.520
<v Speaker 2>know what they're doing. They are sending messages all the

1825
01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:09.039
<v Speaker 2>time magically, like have you seen their Hosanna handkerchief thing, Nick?

1826
01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:15.000
<v Speaker 2>You seeing this shit? No? Oh, the handkerchief wave. They

1827
01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>have a nod to magic. Still, they just don't shove

1828
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:21.399
<v Speaker 2>it out there for the goyam. They took it underground,

1829
01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and they they have these secret societies within the secret

1830
01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:30.239
<v Speaker 2>societies within the secret societies like it's it's it's only

1831
01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:33.079
<v Speaker 2>for the elite. Now, that's that's just how it is.

1832
01:30:33.680 --> 01:30:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I think one hundred percent they still practice this stuff.

1833
01:30:35.880 --> 01:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Why the hell do you think that the profit's a

1834
01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:40.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred he's a hundred.

1835
01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, Like he's got that Mormon magic. I think that

1836
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>same Mormon magic that was used to fix Elon's hairline.

1837
01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:52.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean that's beyond that's beyond magic.

1838
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:55.079
<v Speaker 3>O Moman magic.

1839
01:30:55.720 --> 01:31:02.159
<v Speaker 4>Know, well, maybe maybe it was, yeah, pens Dutch magic.

1840
01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:06.119
<v Speaker 4>There is a whole for the people talking about the handkerchief.

1841
01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Go look at their It's called the Hosanna wave and

1842
01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:13.560
<v Speaker 2>they do it and they shake the all of them

1843
01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:15.000
<v Speaker 2>all culty at the same time.

1844
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:17.239
<v Speaker 4>Hosanna Hosanna.

1845
01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Thing.

1846
01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:22.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you it's douggie.

1847
01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:25.279
<v Speaker 1>I've heard of the thuggy Colton cali w they do

1848
01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:26.239
<v Speaker 1>the handkerchief stuff.

1849
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:28.079
<v Speaker 4>It's weird.

1850
01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:32.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just think it sounds like Pittsburgh Steelers terrible

1851
01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:32.760
<v Speaker 1>tale nonsense.

1852
01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:35.439
<v Speaker 4>If you asked me, well, and you know, you can

1853
01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:37.000
<v Speaker 4>put magic into objects.

1854
01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:39.039
<v Speaker 2>It's a talisman, like, let's be real.

1855
01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:40.279
<v Speaker 3>They're just hiding everything.

1856
01:31:40.279 --> 01:31:41.479
<v Speaker 4>They're hiding everything.

1857
01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it is.

1858
01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:48.720
<v Speaker 4>Well, that's my opinion.

1859
01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Everybody thinks he was all crazier, he just stole it

1860
01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:55.239
<v Speaker 2>from the one guy or whatever. But I for me,

1861
01:31:55.600 --> 01:31:58.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, I think there has to be more

1862
01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:02.600
<v Speaker 2>to it. And the funniest part is is what's his name,

1863
01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>The West Memphis three guy. He has a whole episode

1864
01:32:08.680 --> 01:32:13.279
<v Speaker 2>on Joseph Smith and and he's like Joseph Smith's a badass,

1865
01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:16.239
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh my gosh. When I seen that,

1866
01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, that's weird. That got weird.

1867
01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:22.479
<v Speaker 3>Oh was he giving him props to being a magician?

1868
01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:23.319
<v Speaker 3>Probably was.

1869
01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Cooley talks about him being a moonchild, and you know,

1870
01:32:28.439 --> 01:32:30.880
<v Speaker 2>like all this stuff, he gives nods and he even

1871
01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:33.560
<v Speaker 2>says at the bottom people say that really wasn't about him.

1872
01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:34.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm like it was.

1873
01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I've even noticed too. It would makes sense, is that.

1874
01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:39.399
<v Speaker 2>I know.

1875
01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:42.439
<v Speaker 5>I think Echoes a while ago was like pushing out

1876
01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:45.880
<v Speaker 5>T shirts. I had a lot of He's got angel

1877
01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:52.680
<v Speaker 5>sigils on them that were from Planetary Squares and oh no,

1878
01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:54.880
<v Speaker 5>I know, yeah, I know. He's definitely definitely knows what

1879
01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:57.359
<v Speaker 5>the he's talking about. In my opinion, I think he understands.

1880
01:32:57.840 --> 01:32:59.920
<v Speaker 5>But I do know, like he's beaking into the planet

1881
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:02.239
<v Speaker 5>Edy Squaz himself, and so was Joseph Smith, so maybe

1882
01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:04.119
<v Speaker 5>he you know, he was so.

1883
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:07.000
<v Speaker 2>He was like on the I watched the whole damn thing,

1884
01:33:07.279 --> 01:33:08.920
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I'm going to become a mormine just

1885
01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:10.039
<v Speaker 2>so I can go in there temple.

1886
01:33:10.119 --> 01:33:13.000
<v Speaker 4>This is awesome. I'm like, oh my gosh, they're gonna

1887
01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:14.279
<v Speaker 4>let Damien Les in there.

1888
01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, they probably will. Nothing like a convicted child child

1889
01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:19.279
<v Speaker 1>murdering mind.

1890
01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:22.520
<v Speaker 3>He said sorry, I wouldn't have done it. He probably

1891
01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:23.279
<v Speaker 3>will let him in there.

1892
01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm serious. If he said sorry, yeah, whatever, it's weird.

1893
01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Well I think that's I think that's a good note

1894
01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:35.399
<v Speaker 1>to end it here. Damien Echles convicted child daddling, kid murderer,

1895
01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:40.039
<v Speaker 1>ritualistic human sacrifice situation. Yeah, how gott Jesspah Smith.

1896
01:33:40.920 --> 01:33:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Sorry that was me.

1897
01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:42.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm warped.

1898
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:48.039
<v Speaker 1>I had Heidi, I had great conversation. I appreciate you

1899
01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:49.319
<v Speaker 1>joined us here for Fridays.

1900
01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:54.520
<v Speaker 2>No, I think this is amazing. I think you hit

1901
01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:58.239
<v Speaker 2>on a really big connection with this society because it

1902
01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:01.239
<v Speaker 2>makes more sense of I could never I got just

1903
01:34:01.479 --> 01:34:03.920
<v Speaker 2>certain point and then I'm like, okay, it falls apart,

1904
01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:07.720
<v Speaker 2>like why but why why are these people here? Right?

1905
01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:11.840
<v Speaker 4>Why is this these rich people or these royal people

1906
01:34:11.960 --> 01:34:14.159
<v Speaker 4>or these whatever. I couldn't figure it out.

1907
01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:17.199
<v Speaker 2>But if they're all in secret society together, this makes

1908
01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:21.359
<v Speaker 2>complete sense. So I absolutely appreciate that it's it fills

1909
01:34:21.399 --> 01:34:25.199
<v Speaker 2>a big hole. And you know, I think, like you know,

1910
01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>they're globalists now they don't hide it. I don't know

1911
01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>if you've seen the plans for the new temple on closing,

1912
01:34:32.119 --> 01:34:36.600
<v Speaker 2>they have a United Nations flag display of all the flags,

1913
01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:40.279
<v Speaker 2>and they have it shaped like a big keyhole like.

1914
01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:44.279
<v Speaker 4>The like the Vatican. Looks just like the Vatican, and

1915
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:45.079
<v Speaker 4>I have been.

1916
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Sayings no comparison, and I'm telling you, guys, I keep

1917
01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:53.439
<v Speaker 2>saying that the Mormons have a key and it's not

1918
01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:57.039
<v Speaker 2>the priesthood keys. So for that, I am definitely going

1919
01:34:57.159 --> 01:35:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to try to keep diving deep into all that. I'm

1920
01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:04.439
<v Speaker 2>sure you guys will help me. And this has been amazing,

1921
01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Like every time we chat and then, I've had a

1922
01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>great time. So thank you so much, thank you.

1923
01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:13.439
<v Speaker 1>For sure. Absolutely looking forward to future more Mormon conversation.

1924
01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I highly recommend folks go check out the series we

1925
01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:18.520
<v Speaker 1>did on the cult Rejects recently with Mormon business.

1926
01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:22.960
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely so much fun. Thanks again, Nick, sir.

1927
01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:26.479
<v Speaker 1>Great Great Fridays is always what they closing words for

1928
01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the folks the interwebs. What's going on with you cal rejects? Perhaps?

1929
01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:32.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I know what I was actually looking at stuff.

1930
01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:35.359
<v Speaker 5>We got Mormon Mafia Part three actually dropping tomorrow.

1931
01:35:37.359 --> 01:35:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't, I didn't drop it, okay, yeah, yeah, I

1932
01:35:39.560 --> 01:35:40.039
<v Speaker 1>think we did.

1933
01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:41.880
<v Speaker 5>It like last Saturday, so I had it drop it

1934
01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:44.239
<v Speaker 5>Sday whatever. Yeah, I had to drop it this week. Yeah,

1935
01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:46.319
<v Speaker 5>so we got that coming out tomorrow, so everybody can

1936
01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:51.560
<v Speaker 5>check that out. Magic Park two. Yeah, yeah, this is

1937
01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:53.239
<v Speaker 5>a really good episode too. It's got a lot of

1938
01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:55.680
<v Speaker 5>I mean they all were, but this week this one

1939
01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:56.800
<v Speaker 5>has a lot of stuff.

1940
01:35:56.600 --> 01:35:58.239
<v Speaker 3>In it in my opinion. Yeah.

1941
01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:02.119
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, so definitely check that out. And I see

1942
01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:05.119
<v Speaker 5>Giovanni Serucci in here. Holy shit, I haven't seen him

1943
01:36:05.119 --> 01:36:05.640
<v Speaker 5>in a minute.

1944
01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:08.840
<v Speaker 4>So glad you came to see Johnny past Yeah.

1945
01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, guys, yeah, you got to hit me up. Man.

1946
01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:14.159
<v Speaker 2>There it is, there, it is.

1947
01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:17.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's been on the show before actually years ago,

1948
01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:17.960
<v Speaker 3>years ago.

1949
01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:20.680
<v Speaker 4>Thank you for coming everybody and watching us.

1950
01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:24.279
<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, and we'll definitely be doing more Mormon

1951
01:36:24.319 --> 01:36:26.039
<v Speaker 1>stuff soon, I guess HEII. We got a show of

1952
01:36:26.079 --> 01:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the Mormon Process stuff coming out soon.

1953
01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Right. Oh yes, the Sunday actually, so it's funny you're

1954
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:32.359
<v Speaker 2>doing Saturday, I'm doing Sunday.

1955
01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:34.279
<v Speaker 4>So we're all over the place.

1956
01:36:35.560 --> 01:36:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Rejects gone wildne super wild recently Instanian cargo cults with

1957
01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:43.079
<v Speaker 2>the Process stuff.

1958
01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:44.800
<v Speaker 1>When you're talking about the globalist it makes a lot

1959
01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:47.079
<v Speaker 1>of sense because, you know, it makes a lot of

1960
01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:49.680
<v Speaker 1>sense to the discussion we have with the Mormons in

1961
01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:52.479
<v Speaker 1>the Process and where they're located today, headquartered out of

1962
01:36:52.520 --> 01:36:55.439
<v Speaker 1>southern Utah, is because a lot of the early process

1963
01:36:55.479 --> 01:36:59.640
<v Speaker 1>OG members and later members or Society Cincinnati families as

1964
01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>well so well, and it seems to be the connecting principles.

1965
01:37:03.239 --> 01:37:05.039
<v Speaker 4>I think Nick said something or maybe it was you

1966
01:37:05.159 --> 01:37:08.079
<v Speaker 4>on our last one about Saint George. Was it Nick

1967
01:37:08.199 --> 01:37:08.720
<v Speaker 4>or was it you?

1968
01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:12.800
<v Speaker 2>But there's a Saint George Utah, and Saint George was

1969
01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:15.000
<v Speaker 2>a very prominent member of the church.

1970
01:37:15.159 --> 01:37:19.119
<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of funny. Yeah, And this element that

1971
01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:21.399
<v Speaker 1>I then when I talk about these feuding factions within

1972
01:37:21.479 --> 01:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the Society of Cincinnati, one side is the Anglo interest

1973
01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:28.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, globalist faction. So we're describing as these globalist

1974
01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:30.159
<v Speaker 1>interests you're talking about with the Mormons. Makes a lot

1975
01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:32.439
<v Speaker 1>of sense to me regarding these same groups we're talking about,

1976
01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, they're all well, yeah, they're coming together

1977
01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:41.079
<v Speaker 1>like vultron ancient alien cargo cult style. But you know, yeah,

1978
01:37:41.119 --> 01:37:43.199
<v Speaker 1>they definitely know each other. These folks definitely know each.

1979
01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:45.960
<v Speaker 4>Other, right, Oh yeah, they're all putting their cards on

1980
01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:49.800
<v Speaker 4>We don't know each other, We don't know each other exactly.

1981
01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, I knew they were putting their cards on the

1982
01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:53.640
<v Speaker 2>table when they let them build down the street from

1983
01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:57.079
<v Speaker 2>the Vatican, let's be honest, And and it was so quiet,

1984
01:37:58.760 --> 01:37:59.359
<v Speaker 2>and the and the.

1985
01:37:59.399 --> 01:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Process which is Worldwide Headquarters Music, I'm sorry, Worldwide Museum

1986
01:38:03.079 --> 01:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>is right down the street there in room. So these

1987
01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:07.680
<v Speaker 1>people all maybe meet for college, maybe maybe they meet

1988
01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:11.279
<v Speaker 1>for lattes down there near Saint Peter's Square. Nick thing

1989
01:38:11.359 --> 01:38:12.159
<v Speaker 1>is what I'm talking about.

1990
01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, he's been there.

1991
01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:15.479
<v Speaker 1>He went there last year, right, I.

1992
01:38:17.239 --> 01:38:18.039
<v Speaker 4>Went the year before.

1993
01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Yeah, you've been there too. I'd love to go.

1994
01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I love to go check out the vaticaning room. Not

1995
01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily what I would try to go in the

1996
01:38:24.720 --> 01:38:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Process museum. I'm sure they would't let me in there,

1997
01:38:26.600 --> 01:38:27.800
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I try to go in there.

1998
01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:31.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you told me that. After I had left it.

1999
01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:33.399
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I think you texted me, so.

2000
01:38:35.680 --> 01:38:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I sent your message. I was like, yeah, dude, You're

2001
01:38:37.600 --> 01:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>like oh I just left room.

2002
01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:43.079
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I was, like I even said, I definitely would

2003
01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:46.560
<v Speaker 5>have went because I did actually that I try, right,

2004
01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:48.760
<v Speaker 5>I mean I wish I had more time there, and

2005
01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:50.680
<v Speaker 5>that's I mean I did need more time, but I

2006
01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:52.520
<v Speaker 5>did have time to where I could have made that happen,

2007
01:38:52.680 --> 01:38:53.319
<v Speaker 5>you know for sure.

2008
01:38:55.079 --> 01:38:55.680
<v Speaker 4>So much fun.

2009
01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, thank you both. Awesome conversation always always

2010
01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:02.520
<v Speaker 1>is great with the we got a full Occult Rejects

2011
01:39:02.560 --> 01:39:05.720
<v Speaker 1>roundtable tonight since Siety's a recent edition to reject, so

2012
01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:08.439
<v Speaker 1>we went full one of col Rejects tonight.

2013
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<v Speaker 4>All right, let's go, all right,