Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. Imagine something that honestly sounds like
it's straight out of a sci fi movie. You've got
this mysterious object maybe seven billion years old, wow, just
screaming through our solar system. And the speed is just
it's hard to even grasp. One hundred and thirty thousand
miles per hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really moving, and not just that.
Speaker 1: It's spitting out material that while here on Earth we
apparently only see coming out of factories.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating, isn't it? How this single scientific oddity three
I eight less almost immediately became this focal point not
just for astronomers arguing, but for what looks like well.
Speaker 3: A global psychological event exactly.
Speaker 2: You're seeing this convergence of really advanced astrophysics on one
side and these deep, almost primal theories about deception on
the other.
Speaker 1: Precisely so this object, right, only the third interstellar visitor
we even know about. Yeah. Is it just some ancient
piece of rock from far away natural thing? Or is
it something else? Is it fuel maybe for some kind
of manufacture global crisis, something designed to I don't know,
shock us all into line.
Speaker 2: That's the core question we're digging into So.
Speaker 1: Our mission for you today really is to take you
on this journey. We're starting way out there outer edges
of the Solar system, talking comets and weird nickel alloys,
and we're bringing it all the way back in to
the inner workings of well, the human mind, deception and
some pretty wild global conspiracy frameworks.
Speaker 2: And we've pulled together quite a stack of sources for
this deep dive. We're going to meticulously look at the
hard science first, the data, the chemical head scratchers that
have someone like Harvard's Avilobe talking about technological artifacts. Yeah,
but also of course laying out the strong pushback from
NASA and SETI the sort of hold on, let's not
jump to conclusion.
Speaker 1: Side, right, And then we're going to pivot pretty sharply
into the human side of things. How did this story spread,
specifically this viral claim about a Fibonacci.
Speaker 2: Signal, Oh yeah, that one blew up.
Speaker 1: We'll use that as a case study really to get
into the psychology behind why people believe conspiracy theories even
when the evidence isn't there.
Speaker 2: And finally we'll connect these dots, the dots between what's
happening in the sky potential government deception. We'll look at
actual historical examples like Operation.
Speaker 1: Northwoods, which is just staggering in itself, it.
Speaker 2: Really is, and then link that to this overarching theory
of a huge, staged global crisis, this thing called Project Bluebeam.
The idea is to give you all the pieces, the science,
the speculation, the history, so you can decide for yourself
what holds water.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's ground ourselves first. What are the solid facts
about three it? Last? What do we actually know?
Speaker 2: Well, it was first spotted July first, twenty twenty five.
The ATLA Survey telescope picked it up, and yeah, confirmation
came pretty quickly. This is only the third interstellar object
we've ever logged.
Speaker 1: After Umua and two Iboris off.
Speaker 2: Exactly, so it's swung by relatively close, but totally safe.
On October twenty ninth, closest approach was about one point
eight astronomical.
Speaker 1: Units one point eight au. Could you put that in
miles far or it's just for a perspective.
Speaker 2: Sure, An AU is the distance from Earth to the Sun,
So one point EIGHTAU is roughly one hundred and sixty
seven million miles, not exactly knocking on our door. But
close enough for good observation, and the speed that.
Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty thousand miles per hour plus. It's
on a specific kind of path.
Speaker 2: Yeah, astronomers call it a hyperbolic trajectory.
Speaker 1: Okay, hyperbolic in plain English. What does that tell us?
Where's it going?
Speaker 2: It means it's not caught by our Son's gravity. It
didn't start here, and it's definitely not staying. It's on
an escape path heading out of the Solar System forever. Basically.
Speaker 1: Wow, So it's just passing through a.
Speaker 2: Visitor, a visitor exactly, which makes this window we have
to study it incredibly precious but also really short. It's
like a fleeting glimpse into well, maybe another star system entirely.
Speaker 1: And even from that brief glimpse what we're seeing, it's
suggesting this isn't just your average space rock. I mean,
the age alone is kind of mind bending. Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. The initial analysis suggests three ielas could be get
this over seven bills billion years.
Speaker 1: Old seven billion. Our whole Solar systems is what four
and a half.
Speaker 2: Around four point six billion. Yeah, so this thing predates us,
predates our Sun our planets by maybe three billion years.
It probably came from the Milky Way's thick disk, which
is like the galaxy's older, more established neighborhood. It's profoundly agent.
Speaker 1: Just trying to wrap my head around that age. Okay,
so it's old, But then there's how it's behaving, what
it's made of. Right. There were some visual oddities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of things stood out early on. Researchers
noted this faint sort of greenish glow, which is unusual
for a comet this far out from the Sun. Usually
they need more heat to get that kind of activity going. Okay,
and then there's its paskin not just hyperbolic, but it's
orbit relative to the planet, the planet's travel in the ecliptic.
It has a low retrograde tilt. It's basically going the
wrong way, but almost flat compared to our system.
Speaker 1: That's statistically weird, very weird.
Speaker 2: The chances of that specific alignment happening just by coincidence
are apparently only about point b two percent, really really
low probability. But the thing that's really got people talking
the observation pushing hardest towards the maybe it's not natural
idea that comes down to the chemistry. What it's actually shedding.
Speaker 1: Right. This is where it gets really wild, pushing the
boundaries of what we thought was possible. The plumes, the
stuff it's spitting out.
Speaker 2: Exactly our sources detail. It's emitting about four grams of
nickel every single second.
Speaker 1: Okay, nickel maybe not that weird metals existence space.
Speaker 2: True. But here's the kicker, the really critical part. There's
zero evidence of iron coming out with that nickel.
Speaker 1: Ah, just nickel, no iron. Why is that such a
big deal?
Speaker 2: Because the specific compound they identified is nickel tetracarbonyl, and
the complete absence of iron alongside it makes it problematic
for a natural explanation. You see on Earth, Nickel tetracarbonyl
is something.
Speaker 1: We make make how like in labs.
Speaker 2: In industrial processes. Yeah, it's a key part of purifying nickel,
something called the moond process. It's an artificially manufactured alloy essentially.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, let me get this straight. We have an
industrial chemical, something we only know how to make in factories,
being spewed out by a seven billion year old object. Yeah,
that's traveling at one hundred and thirty thousand miles per hour,
hundreds of millions of miles away.
Speaker 2: That sums it up. Well, it's a significant set of
data points that don't easily fit the standard comet model.
Speaker 1: What would we expect from a normal comet chemically?
Speaker 2: Typically you'd see silicon, dust, water, ice, maybe frozen carbon monoxide,
carbon dioxide, things like that, and yes, potentially some metals,
but usually you'd expect iron to be present along with
nickel in natural formations like asteroids or comet nuclei.
Speaker 1: So the nickel tetracarbonyl without the iron. HM, that's the
smoking gun for some people at least, Yeah, forcing them
to think it might be a techno signature.
Speaker 2: It's certainly the strongest chemical anomaly. Yeah. It makes the
purely natural origin story much harder to defend and opens
the door wide for other possibilities, which.
Speaker 1: Brings us squarely to the main person championing that other possibility,
Avi Lobe at Harvard. How does he weave this nickel
thing and the other oddities into his argument?
Speaker 2: Lubib is quite direct about it. He looks at the
chemical emissions, the really strange trajectory, the fact that it
doesn't have the expected dust or plasma tail like a
normal comet. Right, No, Kale and he argues pretty strongly
that this object could very well be a technological artifact,
possibly with active intelligence. He's even put numbers on it.
Speaker 1: Oh what kind of numbers.
Speaker 2: He's currently saying there's maybe a thirty to forty percent
likelihood that three italus is not natural, and he bases
that on what he identifies as seven key anomalies.
Speaker 1: Seven anomalies we've talked about, the nickel, the trajectory, the
lack of a tail. What else is on his list?
Speaker 2: Okay, so beyond those three, lob also points to its
low luminosity. It's dimmer than expected for its size if
it were a standard comet. Then there's the spin rate.
How it's rotating suggests it might have a long, possibly
manufactured shape, kind of like the speculation around umumlah.
Speaker 1: Right, the cigar shape or pancake shop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of thing. And then perhaps the most
controversial one, the lack of significant non gravitational acceleration, which
weirdly he also frames as an anomaly.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on lack of non gravitational acceleration, Let's unpack that,
because isn't that usually used as evidence against it being artificial?
First off, what is it.
Speaker 2: Right, So, non gravitational acceleration is basically a tiny push
on the object that isn't caused by gravity alone. For
a comet, it's usually caused by outgassing.
Speaker 1: Outgassing like venting gas.
Speaker 2: Exactly the sun heats the ice, it turns to gas
and jets out, acting like a very weak, unpredictable thruster.
So if three I Atlas were a typical active comet,
especially one shedding material, you'd expect to see these little
erratic pushes messing with its orbits slightly.
Speaker 1: And the consensus view from NASA and SETI is that
they aren't seeing that push, or not much of it.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's correct. Someone like Seti scientist points to this
absence of acceleration as strong evidence against artificial propulsion. No
sign of an engine firing. Basically, if it had some
advanced drive, you'd likely detect some force nudging it off
its purely gravity driven path.
Speaker 1: Belowbequickly flips that logic.
Speaker 2: He does. He suggests that the fact it's not showing
the expected outgassing acceleration despite other signs of activity like
the nickel clume, might indicate it has an artificial structure
or mass distribution. Maybe it's incredibly dense or designed specifically
not to be pushed around by outgassing like a flimsy
comet nucleus would be.
Speaker 1: So his argument is, if it accelerates unexpectedly, maybe it's artificial.
But if it doesn't accelerate when you think it should,
maybe it's still artificial.
Speaker 2: That seems to be the implication of how he frames
that particular anomaly. Yeah, it covers both bases in a way.
Speaker 1: And he didn't just stop it calling it potentially artificial.
He actually raised a pretty scary possibility invoking the dark
forest hypothesis, talked about malign intent.
Speaker 2: Definitely raise the stakes. He put forward. This scenario highly speculative,
of course, or three IoT lists might perform a secret maneuver,
specifically a reverse solar O birth maneuver.
Speaker 1: Okay, reverse solar O birth maneuver. Break that down. What
is that and what would it allow the object to do?
Speaker 2: An O birth maneuver is a known concept in orbital mechanics.
You fire your engines when you're moving fastest, usually deepen
a gravity well like near the sun to get the
biggest boost in speed. A reverse maneuver would mean applying
thrust against its direction of travel, essentially breaking hard while
hidden from our view behind the Sun, maybe back in
the late.
Speaker 1: October breaking hard.
Speaker 2: Why to change course exactly? The calculation's lobe mentioned suggested
that such a significant breaking maneuver could potentially alter its
trajectory enough to intercept either Jupiter or more concerningly, maybe
even Earth sometime in late November or early December twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 1: So turning a fly by object into a potential impactor
release something on a collision core hidden by the Sun
that sounds well like something out of science fiction. Again,
demands extraordinary evidence.
Speaker 2: Surely, absolutely, and that's where the scientific consensus pushes back hard.
Speaker 1: What's the official NASA line on this.
Speaker 2: NASA's Tom Statler was pretty blunt about it. His quote
was basically, it looks like a comet. It does comet things.
The overwhelming view from NASA and most astronomers is that
the evidence points firmly towards it being a natural body.
Speaker 1: And the argument is that comets are just inherently weird.
Speaker 2: Pretty much. They are unpredictable mixes of ice, dust, rock.
Anomalies are kind of expected. Finding something unusual doesn't automatically
mean aliens and hawk from SETI also addressed the weird
orbital alignment, pointing out that our whole solar system is
roughly aligned with the galactic disc anyway, so finding interstellar
objects coming in on similar planes isn't that statistically shocking.
Speaker 1: So on one side, you got this industrial chemical signature,
the weird orbit, maybe the shape pointing lobe towards technology.
On the other you have the lack of detectable engine
signatures and the general weirdness of comets pointing NASA towards
natural unusual.
Speaker 2: That's the scientific stalemate, essentially, a really fascinating one with
incredibly high stakes depending on who's right.
Speaker 1: Okay, so while the scientists are debating nickel tetracarbonyl and
orbital mechanics, the public conversation, especially online, just completely exploded
with something else entirely. Ah, let's shift gears now and
look at the mechanics of misinformation. How this genuine scientific
puzzle almost instantly got hijacked by a viral hoax And
the main event here was the so called phantom Fibonacci signal.
Speaker 2: Right, this was almost a textbook example of how to
craft believable sounding disinformation. The claim just spread like crazy
on social media. Three I tell Us was supposedly sending
out a pulsed signal, not.
Speaker 1: Just any pattern, note a very specific one exactly.
Speaker 2: It followed the Fibonacci sequence eight pulses, then thirteen, then eight,
then five, then thirteen, then eight again. You know, five, eight,
thirteen or consecutive Fibonacci numbers.
Speaker 1: And that sequence immediately suggests intelligence. Right, it's not random noise.
Speaker 2: Precisely. Mathematicians SETI researchers, they look for non random patterns
like that as potential techno signatures. It gives the claim
instant intellectual weight.
Speaker 1: And they didn't just stop at the pattern. They added
another layer of seeming authenticity with the frequency they did.
Speaker 2: The claim was that the signal was detected at fourteen
hundred and twenty meglhertz, which is that's the hydrogen line frequency.
It's famous in SETI circles as the interstellar calling channel
or the waterhole frequency, because hydrogen is the most abundant element.
It's a frequency everyone agrees would be a logical place
for an alien civilization to broadcast.
Speaker 1: So Fibonacci pattern hydrogen line frequency. It sounds incredibly convincing,
and then they topped it off with a decoded message.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the alleged message was observe, prepare, understand the gait
awaits very cryptic, very ominous, hits all those buttons of
anticipation in maybe a little bit of fear.
Speaker 1: It's a masterclass really in blending real scientific terms Hubanaci
fourteen hundred and twenty bigger ERDs with this sort of mystical,
urgent framing. But what's the reality when you actually look
for the evidence.
Speaker 2: It completely evaporates. The signal is pure fiction. It apparently
originated from just one single social media account, unverified, unattributed,
and then algorithms just picked it up and ran with
it because it was sensational.
Speaker 1: So no observatory confirmed it, no space agency, no SETI project.
Speaker 2: Absolutely none, zero confirmation from any credible scientific source anywhere
in the world, no papers published, no data released, nothing.
It simply didn't happen outside of online rumor mills.
Speaker 1: And that frequency fourteen hundred and twenty mirror hertz, while
logical for SETI, is also susceptible to noise.
Speaker 2: Very much, so it's actually heavily polluted by terrestrial interference
signals from earth bleeding into that band, So false alarms
are pretty common, which ironically makes it an easy frequency
for someone to claim they heard something unusual.
Speaker 1: It's just remarkable how something with literally zero zh factual
basis can gain so much traction just by mixing the
right ingredients, which brings us to the deeper question why
why are people so ready to believe these things, especially
when the evidence is missing? What's the psychology at play?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the crucial question, and psychological research actually points
to a few key underlying factors or predispositions that make
some individuals more susceptible to believing in conspiracy theories. In general,
these aren't specific to this one event. They're more like
dispositional causes.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's break those down. What's the first one.
Speaker 2: The first is something called schizotippy. Now, this isn't the
clinical diagnosis of schizophrenia. It's more about having certain tendencies,
things like being inherently suspicious of other people, maybe feeling
socially anxious, having somewhat eccentric ideas or unusual perceptions of reality.
Speaker 1: So if you already kind of feel like the world
is a bit strange or people are out to get you.
Speaker 2: We're sort of pre primed. Yeah, you're more likely to
interpret ambiguous events a weird comet through a lens of
suspicion and hidden meaning. You might more readily believe that powerful,
hidden actors are manipulating things behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense. What's the second factor.
Speaker 2: The second one is holding dangerous world beliefs. This is
basically the general feeling or conviction that the world is
a fundamentally chaotic, fragile, and threatening place full of bad
actors who are actively plotting harm against ordinary people.
Speaker 1: So a general sense of pessimism and threat.
Speaker 2: Exactly, if you already believe the world is inherently dangerous
and controlled by malevolent forces, then when something unusual happens,
whether it's an economic crash or a strange object in space,
your mind naturally looks for the hidden hand, the orchestrator
behind it.
Speaker 1: Got it suspicion plus a belief the world is dangerous.
What's the third piece?
Speaker 2: The third factor is maybe the most revealing about how
information gets processed. It's called bullshit receptivity.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a technical term.
Speaker 2: It actual tally is in psychological literature. It refers to
the tendency to perceive profound meaning or depth in statements
that sound impressive or complex on the surface, but are
actually vague, nonsensical, or lack any real substance when you
examine them critically.
Speaker 1: Like the Fibonacci signal claim itself. It sounds scientific exactly.
Speaker 2: It uses terms like fourteen hundred and twenty milihertz and
Fibonacci sequence, which sound very technical and meaningful, but the
actual claim behind it, the evidence is non existent. It's bullshit. Essentially,
someone high in bullshit receptivity is less likely to spot
the lack of substance and more likely to be swayed
by how profound or important it sounds.
Speaker 1: Wow. So you combine that interpersonal suspicion, the belief in
a dangerous world, and this tendency to accept impressive sounding nonsense,
and you've got fertile ground for conspiracy theories to take root.
Speaker 2: Precisely, these three factors seem to operate independently, but they
add up. The more of these traits someone has, the
more likely they are statistically to endorse various conspiracies belief.
Speaker 1: But is there also an emotional payoff? Why do people
want to believe these things you mentioned a consolation theory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a psychological function to it as well. For
people who feel anxious, powerless, or generally overwhelmed by the
sheer randomness and apparent unfairness of life, believing that there's
a hidden group, like a deep state or maybe even
hostile aliens who are secretly responsible for all the bad stuff,
that can actually provide a strange kind of comfort, solace.
Speaker 1: Comfort. How is believing in evil cabal's comforting.
Speaker 2: Because it imposes order on chaos. A hidden villain, even
an evil one, is at least an explanation. It suggests
someone is in control, that events aren't just random and meaningless. Psychologically,
that can feel preferable to confronting the idea that the
universe might just be wantonly cruel and unjust, as the
source material puts.
Speaker 1: It, So better a conspiracy than just cosmic indifference.
Speaker 2: For some people, Yes, it gives suffering a source, a meaning,
maybe even a you can fight against or expose. It's
easier to face a world run by secret evil masterminds
than a world with no masterminds at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, so, whether three I outlests turns out to be
a natural oddity or something truly alien. It's rival instantly
plugged into this huge, sprawling, pre existing narrative about global power, secrecy, interception.
Let's dive into that framework now.
Speaker 2: Right because for a lot of people looking at this,
the comet isn't just a comet. It's potentially a piece
of a much larger puzzle, maybe even part of an
engineered crisis.
Speaker 1: And the core of that belief system is the.
Speaker 2: Core assertion is that there's this powerful, unaccountable group often
called the Military Industrial Complex MIIC or the deep state,
that has been secretly hoarding and maybe even reverse engineering
incredibly advanced technologies for decades. We're talking anti gravity, zero
point energy, made even quantum travel, stuff way beyond what's
publicly known.
Speaker 1: And they've been doing this for how long the claim is.
Speaker 2: Often over a century, with the secrecy really ramping up
after alleged UFO crashes like Roswell. And they supposedly fund
this through massive black budgets.
Speaker 1: Black budgets. How massive were we talking?
Speaker 2: The sources we looked at cited figures suggesting black budget
spending might have exceeded three trillion dollars just over the
last thirty years, unaccounted for money basically funneled into these
secret programs pree trillion.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, So if they have this incredible tech, especially
something like zero point energy potentially limitless clean energy, wine
or hide it, what's the motivation? According to this framework, the.
Speaker 2: Sources lay out about five interconnected reasons, usually boiling down
to things like fear, greed, self preservation, power, and maybe
even wanting destruction or control.
Speaker 1: But the energy angle seems key.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. The argument is that the deep state is deliberately
suppressing zero point energy technology. Why because if the public
knew that limitless clean energy was possible right now, it
would cause a global uproar.
Speaker 1: People would demand it, obviously.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and that demand that knowledge would completely shatter narrative
currently being pushed about climate change. How so well, according
to these sources, and we need to stress this is
their framing, not ours, the whole climate change agenda is
presented as a kind of manufactured Geya religion.
Speaker 1: A Geya religion, yeah.
Speaker 2: A belief system pushed by the global elite to justify
things like carbon taxes, resource limitations, increase centralized control over
energy and economies, basically steps towards consolidating power into a
one world government structure. Revealing free energy tech would expose
that agenda, They argue, Okay.
Speaker 1: So the cover up is about maintaining power structures and
controlling the narrative around energy and climate. It's a huge claim.
But then the narrative takes another really sharp turn, doesn't it.
It moves away from just secret tech and gets into
the nature of the games involved, the non human entities
or nhie.
Speaker 2: That's right. This is where it gets really specific and
often ties into particular religious or theological viewpoints. The sources
we reviewed strongly as certain that intelligent sentient life from
other planets, you know, space aliens and the traditional sense
does not exist, does not exist exist on what Based
primarily on a creationist interpretation of origins, The argument is
that the Earth is relatively young, maybe around six thousand
years old, which directly contradicts the billions of years needed
for evolution and for civilizations to arise on distant planets
and travel here.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if the things whistleblowers claim have crashed, the
occupants of the craft, the non human biologics, if they
aren't space aliens, what are they accorded to this theory?
Speaker 2: The definition shifts dramatically instead of extraterrestrials. The nhis are
defined as falling into four specific categories, mostly interdimensional or
perhaps engineered beings, which are holy angels, fallen angels, or demons,
human clones created in secret labs, and maybe the most
disturbing category chimeras.
Speaker 1: Chimeras you mean, like in mythology.
Speaker 2: Kind of but presented as a modern bio engineering reality.
The claim is that these are human animal hybrids created
in secret programs. The sources even cited alleged examples like
pig human or mouse human hybrids being recovered from crash sites.
Speaker 1: Pig human hybrids. That's deeply unsettling, it is.
Speaker 2: And the implication is stark. When whistleblowers testify under oath
about recovering non human entities, these sources argue they are
telling the truth, but the listeners are misinterpreting. They're not
talking about et. They're talking about these grotesque, potentially irredeemable
hybrids or maybe even demon human.
Speaker 1: Hybrid demon human hybrids. They're connecting this to things like
the nephilim from ancient texts.
Speaker 2: Exactly That connection is often made explicitly. The nephilim, the
offspring of fallen angels and humans mentioned in Genesis and
other texts are presented as the historical precedent for these
modern nhis.
Speaker 1: Okay, this raises a huge question. Though we started this
whole deep dive talking about three i at lists an
object potentially seven billion years old. How does a framework
built on a six thousand year old Earth account for
something like that an ancient nickel spewing artifact.
Speaker 2: That's a critical point of tension. Essentially within the specific framework,
the established scientific dating the billions of years is seen
as part of the deception itself. Now, the idea is
that the concept of deep time, the vast ages promoted
by geology and cosmology, is itself a construct designed to
obscure the true, much shorter history of creation and human existence.
So a seven billion year old object is either misdated
based on flawed science, or its apparent age is part
of the lie and the object itself.
Speaker 1: If it is technology, where did it come from?
Speaker 2: In this young Earth view, it would likely be interpreted
as either extremely advanced human technology from the secret programs
that's been made to look ancient or alien, or perhaps
technology provided to humans by fallen angels or demons who
possess knowledge from before the flood or from other dimensions.
The nickel signature might even be seen as a deliberately
misleading clue.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the UAP sidings, the whistle blower testimony, maybe
even three ilis itself. It's all seen as potentially setting
the stage for some grand finale of deception, which leads
us to Project Bluebeam.
Speaker 2: Precisely, Project Bluebeam is often described as the final card
the deep State plans to play. It's a theory that
gained prominence through the writings of a Canadian journalist named
Serge Monist back in the nineties.
Speaker 1: And Manus died under supposedly suspicious circumstances.
Speaker 2: Yes, his relatively young death from a heart attack shortly
after publishing his work is often cited by proponents as
evidence he was silenced, and they also point to alleged
warnings from figures like the rocket scientist Werner von Braun,
who supposedly cautioned about a fake alien invasion being used
to unite the world under tyranny just before he died
in the seventies.
Speaker 1: So what is Project Bluebeam? According to Monison later theorists,
what's the plan?
Speaker 2: It's presented as a multi stage technologically advanced global psyop,
a psychological operation designed to achieve total mind control and
usher in a totalitarian new world order. And this new
world order would be unified under a single world religion
headed by a figure identified as the Antichrist or sometimes.
Speaker 1: Lucifer a truly massive undertaking. The theory details four distinct
stages right using some pretty spectacular futuristic tech. Let's walk
through them. What's stage one.
Speaker 2: Stage one is all about undermining existing religions, primarily Christianity
and Islam. The plan allegedly involves faking major earthquakes or
other geological events at key archaeological sites around the world,
like work places with huge religious significance Jerusalem, Meccha, maybe
sites in Rome, or related to other major faiths. These
staged events would supposedly unearth new discoveries, shocking artifacts.
Speaker 1: Or texts designed to do what.
Speaker 2: Designed to prove that the foundational doctrines of all major
religions were based on misunderstandings, errors, or outright falsehoods. The
goal is to create a global crisis of faith, shaking
people's core beliefs to make them receptive to something new.
Speaker 1: Destroy the old faiths to make way for the new one. Okay,
that stage one.
Speaker 2: What follows that stage two is where it gets really
visually spectacular, the global space show. This involves using a
network of advanced satellites, potentially in geosynchronous orbit, equipped with
incredibly powerful lasers.
Speaker 1: Lasers doing what.
Speaker 2: Projecting enormous three dimensional holographic images into the upper atmosphere. Specifically,
the theory mentions targeting the sodium layer, which exists about
sixty miles.
Speaker 1: Up, projecting what kind of images, Images.
Speaker 2: Of deities gigantic holograms of Jesus appearing over Christian nations,
Buddha over Buddhist regions, Krishna over India, Muhammed over Muslim aras,
and so on, apparently appearing simultaneously all across the.
Speaker 1: Globe, speaking in local languages too.
Speaker 2: Presumably, yes, the holograms would reportedly speak in the native
tongue of the region they appear over, delivering messages tailored
to that culture. But then comes the climax of stage two,
which is all these different projected deities, Jesus, Buddha, Krishna,
all of them would dramatically merge into one single Unifi figure.
This figure would be the Antichrist. Wow, and this merged
figure would then announce that all previous religions and scriptures
were misinterpreted, that he is the true awaited one, and
that humanity must now unite under his new single world religion,
abandoning all the old divisions.
Speaker 1: A visual and auditory spectacle designed to overwhelm and unify
through shock. Okay, that's stage two. Stage three takes it
inside people's heads exactly.
Speaker 2: Stage three supposedly involves advanced psychotronic or mind control technology,
specifically using extremely low frequency or ELF radio waves.
Speaker 1: ELF waves how would they be used?
Speaker 2: Transmitted globally, perhaps from the same satellite network or ground
based transmitters. These ELF waves are claimed to be able
to interact directly with the human brain, creating the illusion
of telepathic communication.
Speaker 1: Making people think God is talking to them.
Speaker 2: Or the new Antichrist figure. Yeah. Each person would seemingly
hear the voice of their God or this new global
leader speaking directly inside their own mind, giving them command,
reinforcing the new doctrine, telling them resistance is futile. Essentially,
it's about breaking down individual will through perceived divine communication
hearing voices.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then the final stage stage four. This sounds
like pure chaos.
Speaker 2: Stage four is designed to push humanity over the edge
into complete panic and desperation, making them willing to accept
the new world order just to make the horror stop.
It apparently has three main components.
Speaker 1: Oll Get what's the first?
Speaker 2: First, staging a massive, terrifying, and utterly convincing fake alien
invasion in major cities worldwide, using all that advanced tech poticolograms,
maybe even recovered or secretly built craft to simulate a
hostile extraterrestrial attack.
Speaker 1: Creating a common enemy to unite against or submit to
the new leader for protection was the second part.
Speaker 2: Second, specifically targeting Christians by faking the rapture, making it
seem like large numbers of devout believers have suddenly vanished,
supposedly taken up to Heaven. This would sow immense confusion, despair,
and doubt among remaining believers and others.
Speaker 1: A psychological blow aimed at a specific group and the
third element of Stage four.
Speaker 2: This one's perhaps the strangest. The claim is that they
would use electronic means, maybe special microchips or signals sent
through power lines, fiber optics, the Internet, combined with alleged
supernatural or demonic forces to project satanic ghosts or apparitions.
Speaker 1: Glowing panic ghosts projected where into.
Speaker 2: Homes everywhere, Yeah, into homes via TVs or smart devices,
maybe even appearing in public spaces. The goal of this
final onslaught at, the fake invasion, the fake rapture, the
ubiquitous ghosts, is total psychological.
Speaker 1: Breakdown, driving people to madness.
Speaker 2: Driving people to suicide, murder, widespread panic, complete societal collapse,
creating a level of terror and chaos so extreme that
people will beg for the new world order, renounced democracy,
except total surveillance, maybe even take an oath or mark
of allegiance to the Antichrist loose for just to restore
some semblance of order and safety.
Speaker 1: It's an absolutely terrifying scenario they paint just apocalyptic now. Obviously,
Project Bluebeam sounds incredibly far fetched, like something out of
dystopian fiction, but the people who believe it's plausible often
point to real world history as justification. They argue that
governments have seriously considered staging attacks on their own.
Speaker 2: People exactly, and this is where Operation Northwoods comes in.
It's crucial because it moves the concept of a high
level false flag operation from the realm of pure conspiracy
theory into documented, declassified historical fact.
Speaker 1: This was a real plan proposed by top US military.
Speaker 2: Leaders, absolutely proposed in nineteen sixty two by the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, the highest ranking uniformed officers in the
US military. The explicit stated goal of Operation Northwoods was
to manufacture incidents that could be blamed on Cuba, creating
a public and international justification for invading the island and
overthrowing castro.
Speaker 1: It improves that the mindset existed at the highest level,
the willingness to consider harming civilians for political.
Speaker 2: Goals without a doubt. It shows that orchestrating self inflicted
casualties to achieve a geopolitical objective wasn't just some fringe idea.
It was formally proposed and considered by the military leadership.
Speaker 1: What's stock specifics, because the details in the declassified Northwood's
documents are genuinely shocking. What kinds of things were they proposing?
Speaker 2: They laid out a whole menu of options, really using
CIA operatives or assets to actually carry out acts of
terrorism against US targets, both military and civilian, and then
blaming Cuba, like what specific proposals included things like sinking
boats carrying Cuban refugees fleeing to Florida, making it look
like the Cuban government attacked them. Horrifying what else, exploding
a US ship in Guantanamo Bay, remember the main and
planting fake evidence pointing to Cuban sabotage. Another was orchestrating
a violent terror campaign in major US cities like Miami
or even Washington, d C. Involving bombings or shootings, again
to be blamed on Cuban agents.
Speaker 1: Just chaos and fear domestically, But the plan involving aircraft
that one seems particularly elaborate and chilling.
Speaker 2: It really is. One proposal detailed how they could take
a civilian airliner, fly it on a scheduled route, but
then secretly divert it to a secure military base like
Egglen Air Force Base.
Speaker 1: While the passengers are still on board.
Speaker 2: Yes, Meanwhile, an identical drone aircraft or possibly a real
military plane secretly repainted to look exactly like that civilian
airliner would take its place on the flight path. This
unmanned lookalike plane would then fly towards Cuba and broadcast
a fake distress signal saying it was under attack by
Cuban migfighters. Then the drone would be remotely destroyed, blown
up over the.
Speaker 1: Water, creating fake casualties, a fake shoot down.
Speaker 2: Precisely, the world would believe Cuba had shot down a
US civilian airliner, creating massive international outrage and a clear
pretext for war. They even talked about staging funerals for
the victims.
Speaker 1: It's just incredibly cynical and deceptive. But what happened to
these proposals? Were they carried out?
Speaker 2: No, And this is the absolutely vital point the Operation
NORTHWI was proposals, despite being formally drafted and approved by
the Joint Chiefs, were presented to President John F. Kennedy's administration,
specifically to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, and they were
firmly rejected. JFKA reportedly told the military he would not
authorize such actions.
Speaker 1: So it was conceived, it was planned, but it was
stopped at the highest civilian level.
Speaker 2: Correct, it never happened. But the fact that the documents
exist that these plans were seriously developed and proposed by
the top military brass, that historical reality is what gives
believers in theories like Project Bluebeam their anchor. It proves,
they argue that state actors are capable of contemplating the
most extreme forms of deception against their own population. If
they thought of it, then why not now with better tech.
Speaker 1: So this deep dive has taken us on quite a ride.
From a weird space rock, possibly billions of years old,
defying known chemistry, all the way to declassified government documents
the sixties outlining plans to potentially murder American civilians to
justify a war. And when you put all these pieces together,
the science anomalies, the viral hoaxes, the historical context, the
grand conspiracy frameworks, the sources we've examined, seem to compel
proponents toward this really dramatic conclusion about the nature of
our reality.
Speaker 2: Right, the overarching takeaway for those who subscribe to this
whole framework is that we're living inside layers of manipulation.
They describe it almost like nested dolls. There's a human
psychological operation of psyop being run by groups like the
Deep State, Okay, but that human psyp is itself taking
place within a larger, over arching satanic psyop, and ultimately
even that is seen as being permitted or directed by
God's sovereign decree allowing evil for a greater purpose.
Speaker 1: So human actors are manipulating us, but they themselves are
being manipulated by spiritual forces.
Speaker 2: That's the idea the human elites, the miic, the deep
state figures. They might think they're collaborating with advanced aliens
or getting secret knowledge from nhiys, but according to this view,
they're actually being deceived by demons or fallen angels.
Speaker 1: Who are giving them advanced technological knowledge.
Speaker 2: Exactly knowledge these beings possessed from ancient times or other dimensions,
which allows humans to develop things like anti gravity or
maybe even holographic tech. But it ultimately serves the spiritual
entity's goal of increasing their own influence and control over
the world, and.
Speaker 1: The tools available today for pulling off a global deception.
They're obviously light years beyond repainting and airplane like in Northwood's.
Speaker 2: Oh extonentially more powerful. The sources list a whole arsenal
of modern technologies that could theoretically make mass deception of
our senses entirely plausible. Things we already see glimpses of,
like hyperrealistic masks, deep fake videos, incredibly convincing.
Speaker 1: Cgi AI generating realistic images and videos.
Speaker 2: You're right, virtual reality, creating immersive fake worlds. And then
the technology central to the Blue Beam theory these ledged
seven D holograms.
Speaker 1: Okay, we need to pause on that. Seven D holograms.
That sounds like more dimensions than we usually talk about.
What do they mean by that in this context? It's
not standard physics.
Speaker 2: Right, No, it's definitely terminology specific to this conspiracy framework.
It's not just a three D visual projection like we
might see at a concert. A seven D hologram as
described in these sources is supposedly a much more advanced system.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: So, it allegedly incorporates not just site and sound, but
potentially tactile sensations making the projection feel solid, maybe even smell,
and capable of projecting mass or solid light forms. And critically,
it's claimed they can be projected globally, maybe using atmospheric
layers like that sodium layer to create illusions that trick
all the human senses simultaneously.
Speaker 1: So the goal is to make the spectacle, like those
merging gods in Stage two of Blue Beam, feel completely, physically,
undeniably real to everyone experiencing it.
Speaker 2: That seems to be the claim. Yeah, a total sensory
overload designed to bypass critical thinking entirely.
Speaker 1: Well, if that level of deception is even theoretically possible,
if our own senses can be so thoroughly tricked, then
just seeing something isn't proof anymore. Visual evidence becomes almost worthless.
Speaker 2: Exactly, which means the most crucial skill we all need
to cultivate is critical thinking, not just about the information itself,
but about the source of the information and the intent
behind it.
Speaker 1: So, based on the materials we've reviewed, how can you
the listener try to spot a psyop and progress? What
are the practical warning signs?
Speaker 2: The sources offer some pretty clear tactical red flags to
watch out for. First and foremost, coordinated messaging. If you
suddenly see a major narrative, let's say, about a dangerous
new virus, or a potential alien threat, or even this
comment being pushed simultaneously across dozens of major news outlets,
government press releases, even social media influencers, and they're all
using the exact same phrases, the same talking points, almost
like they're reading from a script. That is it as
a massive red flag. It suggests a coordinated campaign to
implant a specific belief rather than organic reporting.
Speaker 1: Okay, uniform messaging. What else, What about the content of
the story.
Speaker 2: That's the second key watch out for emotional triggers. Be
extremely skeptical of any story that seems specifically engineered to
provoke a powerful, immediate emotional reaction intense fear, panic, outrage,
maybe even overwhelming awe or wonder, especially if that emotional
punch comes without solid, verifiable, independently confirmed evidence to back
it up. The goal of these emotional triggers is often
to short circuit your rational brain and push you towards
an impulsive, fear based acceptance or reaction.
Speaker 1: Makes sense, emotion overrides logic. What about the timing? Is
that significant?
Speaker 2: Very often? Yes, You always need to question the timing.
Does this big sensational story suddenly appear right when there's
a major political scandal brewing, or during a tense election cycle,
or when unpopular legislation is being pushed through distraction exactly?
Psyaps are frequently used as tactical distractions, the classic look
over here maneuver to divert public attention away from things
the powerful might not want you focusing on like corruption,
policy failures, or inconvenient.
Speaker 1: Truths okay, coordinated message, emotional trigger, suspicious timing. What's the
final check? The ultimate purpose?
Speaker 2: That's the core question you always have to ask, quibono,
who benefits? Does this narrative this crisis ultimately serve to
expand government power, justify new laws, or restrict citizens' freedoms?
For example, if the story leads directly to calls for
increased military spending, maybe the creation of new international alliances
or agencies, significantly ramped up domestic surveillance, or the loss
of personal liberties, then the narrative itself, no matter how
convincing it seems initially, even if it involves weird nickel
alloys from space, needs to be examined with extreme skepticism.
Ask does this crisis conveniently justify the solution they already wanted?
Speaker 1: Note then, according to these sources, isn't necessarily about becoming
a scientific expert on comments or holograms yourself. It's about
developing critical thinking and maybe relying on something more stable
than just your own perceptions.
Speaker 2: Yes, the sources consistently stress rigorous critical inquiry, check the
actual evidence, Beware of vague language, anonymous sources claims that
lack specifics analyze who owns the news sources pushing the
narrative are their ties to defense contractors, intelligence agencies, specific
political agendas.
Speaker 1: And they offered a really strong caution about trusting personal
experience too, right, even seemingly supernatural ones.
Speaker 2: They did a profound caution, actually, don't automatically place your
ultimate faith in what you see or even what you
might experience supernaturally, because, in their view, entities like Satan
or demons are perfectly capable and willing to orchestrate positive,
miraculous seeming experiences, visions, voices, feelings of peace, even apparent
telepathic contact if it serves the purpose of siving you
into accepting a lie, a lie that might contradict more reliable,
established knowledge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the original source hosts were very clear on that point.
They urged listeners essentially to examine everything carefully, but to
hold fast to that which is good, suggesting reliance on tested,
reliable sources of truth, like scripture in their case, which
they considered more sure than even powerful personal experiences. Wow. Okay,
this has been well a truly deep dive. We started
way out there analyzing the bizarre physics and chemistry of
a seven billion year old space object traveling at unthinkable speeds. Yeah, Nickel,
and we've landed squarely in the realm of human psychology,
documented government deception plots, and these vast elaborate theories of
engineered reality and spiritual warfare.
Speaker 2: The connection, or at least the potential for connection, is undeniable,
isn't it. Whether three LS is just a really weird
comment or something more. Its appearance right now slots perfectly
into these pre existing narratives about a coming great deception.
Speaker 1: It really does.
Speaker 2: The way the strange science of the alloy resonates with
deep seated fears about something like Project Bluebeam. It really
underscores that idea that simply being aware of these possibilities
of how narratives can be constructed and manipulated, that awareness
itself is a powerful antidote to.
Speaker 1: Kind of wrap up this whole idea of an engineered reality.
There's that quote often attributed to an anonymous Masade agent
that seems to capture the alleged mindset perfectly, which one
is that we create a pretend world. We are a
global production company. We write the screenplay where the directors
where the producers were the main actors. The world is
our stage.
Speaker 2: Chilling If that truly reflects the worldview of people and
positions of power, that reality is just a script they
get to write for the rest of us. And if
powerful forces, whether they're human groups using advanced tech like
sevent D holograms, or maybe even spiritual entities, are actively
working to deceive our very senses, then you, the listener,
I left facing probably the most fundamental challenge imaginable today.
How do you even begin to figure out what's genuinely real?
Speaker 3: It's the ultimate question, isn't it. If seeing is no
longer believing, if even your own profound experiences could potentially
be manufactured or induced, then what foundation of truth can
you actually rely on? What can you hold onto? We
really urge you, based on everything we've explored, to examine
everything very carefully and hold fast your most trusted, reliable
sources of knowledge.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us for this deep dive.