WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:02.799 Hey guys, I'm Jack Murphy. This is the Team House 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:06.960 and we're here in studio with our guest today, Kenny Robertson. 3 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:10.759 He is a former Marine served in an Army one 4 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.599 hundred and first Airborne and then had an extensive Special 5 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:18.160 Forces career in fifth Group. And I mean a whole 6 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:21.199 bunch of different things that you got involved in, teaching 7 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:25.559 the PJ course, going over to Ukraine, doing executive protection jobs. 8 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:29.839 And today you're with waypoint six. Do you want to 9 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:32.000 tell people, like just off the top of the interview 10 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:33.240 what way point six is. 11 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:36.200 Yeah, So, Jack, thanks for having me. What we're going 12 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:38.240 to talk about a little bit as' side of my 13 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:41.240 military history, which a lot of the viewers are well 14 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:44.520 aware of, but his veteran mental health, which can kind 15 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:48.240 of be a boring topic for most guys, but starting 16 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:51.960 to become a lot less taboo. So after my years 17 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:54.960 of service and after a lot of things that I 18 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.640 found that shaped me to be a guy that did 19 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:01.560 not want to be, it took a little bit more 20 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.560 than just a talk therapy or go into a VA 21 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:08.200 so sua sponte. I end up out of the country, 22 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:12.079 down in Central America and find myself in the middle 23 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:15.400 of an ayahuasca ceremony and way point six was derived 24 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:18.719 from that. So I founded that based off of my 25 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:22.840 experience working with the plant medicine. So now we're able 26 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.760 to take veterans down to Central America, and we even 27 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:29.760 have a spot locally in Texas where we're able to 28 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:32.879 operate out of and we're getting guys the mental health 29 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:33.760 treatment that they need. 30 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:37.359 That's awesome, and we'll get into that a little bit 31 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:41.159 deeper later on in the interview. But to go more 32 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:44.799 or less like in chronological order, tell us a little 33 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:46.640 bit about, you know, how you grew up and how 34 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:48.200 that took you towards the military. 35 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:56.000 Yes, so I grew up in Virginia and outside of Richmond, 36 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:00.000 not a big city kind of I was more than 37 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:00.959 rural areas. 38 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:03.280 And you know, my dad had land. 39 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:07.519 It would take me out hunting and fishing. So I 40 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:12.280 was working with guns from a small age and you know, 41 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:14.360 kind of learning a little bit about the land and. 42 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:18.479 I found my way into. 43 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:23.479 I was trying to play pro football, but it turns out, Jack, 44 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:25.919 I'm not that I'm not that big, I'm not that good. 45 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:30.439 I had football, so I needed another option, and driving 46 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:33.960 race cars was out of my budget. So I had 47 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.560 to pick something, and honestly, I was like, man, the 48 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:41.639 Marine Corps. That looks cool. This is in the nineties. 49 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:45.680 What was cool about it was the dress blues. Let's 50 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:48.840 just be honest, like they got snappy uniforms. 51 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:50.199 They do look good. 52 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:52.680 That pretty much is a defining factor of how good 53 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:55.039 of a marine you are, how high and tight is 54 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:58.960 your hair, and how much starch is on your uniform. 55 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:02.360 Now not so much, But I think the only thing 56 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:05.000 that matters is the guys that qualified on iron sits 57 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:06.719 versus everyone. 58 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:08.479 Who came ironsights. Obviously, you know in the ninety that's 59 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:11.199 all we had, right, So you had to be able 60 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:14.800 to run fast and have a tight haircut. So yeah, 61 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.599 that that uniform was that drew me in. I did that, 62 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:19.879 but realizing that the head didn't fit in the jar. 63 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:24.240 And this was before Mars sok, this was before anything 64 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:26.199 that was So what year is this that you went 65 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:31.680 to boot camp ninety seven and what unit did you 66 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:34.599 end up in the Marines? So I was over at 67 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:37.280 Camp La June, ended up on I started out. I 68 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.280 was with intelligence. Yeah, it turns out a loss of 69 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:44.919 security clearance. I can't tell you that it happened, but 70 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:50.000 it did. So I ended up with a squadrons across 71 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.240 the road over at New River, and so. 72 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:53.840 I was there. 73 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:56.199 By the time he got out of all the training 74 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:58.360 and stuff, almost the first year is gone. So after 75 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:01.719 a few years I decided that Nope, this isn't for me. 76 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:06.360 There was no war happening, so I'm done. And then 77 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:09.479 I got out, and then there was a war, so 78 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:12.840 I needed to make a move and I did that 79 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:13.400 pretty quick. 80 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:17.360 So you get out and after it's after nine to 81 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:22.240 eleven that you see this opportunity. Yeah, yeah, And so 82 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:25.319 what year did you reenlist in the Army and no one. 83 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:32.279 Yeah, went right back in. And when that happened, I 84 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.399 could just jump into the one hundred and first because 85 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:37.319 when you were in the Army and you wanted to 86 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:38.800 go be a marine, and I had this in my 87 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.079 Marine Corps, we call it boot camp, right, Army is 88 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:44.639 basic training. I've never gone to Army basic training. 89 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:45.680 Oh really? 90 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:49.120 Yeah, we had a E five sergeant in the Army 91 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:53.639 in Marine Corps boot camp. I didn't have to do it. 92 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:56.199 So they were just like, Nope, you can just go 93 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:59.000 right into the Army and you just there. You go 94 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:05.959 here and here's a costume. Go all right, and uh 95 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:07.800 so I did jump went over to the hundred and 96 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:10.720 first and they're like, yep, we're going, uh, we're gonna 97 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:12.319 do this thing over in Iraq. And I'm like, yeah, that's 98 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:15.160 why I'm here, let's go, So off we go. 99 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:17.480 So now we're into like two thousand and one, two 100 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:19.439 thousand and two and like the build up for a 101 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:20.279 racket starting. 102 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.600 Yeah, and I didn't even really get a chance to 103 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.560 get into a build up. I just go right over 104 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:32.040 like I don't know, two weeks after i'd gotten in 105 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:36.199 holy shit, yeah, and I'm probably three weeks. It was 106 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.920 a very they were just they're pumping guys out. 107 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:39.839 You go through. 108 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.079 Med pros and you go through a couple of things 109 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.720 and they're like, here you go, man, here's your initial issue. 110 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:49.800 You're green on good luck. Here's yeah. 111 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.720 I got like three different color camos. I got, like 112 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.439 I don't know, something in desert, I got something green. 113 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.399 I got so it it was uh, it was definitely 114 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.160 while we It was some weird times. Uh. 115 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:02.759 And I was young. 116 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:04.720 I didn't even know anything about the army, right, so 117 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:08.040 I was still bringing Marine Corps, which they bring a 118 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:11.199 lot of pride, morale, all kinds of stuff that in 119 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:17.480 the army they don't quite have. The discipline isn't quite there. 120 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:20.560 They're calling like the East seven's gunny. Yeah. 121 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:24.279 Yeah, For a few times I would call it like 122 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:27.360 sergeant first class and I just just say sorry. I 123 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:29.759 was like, I'm down programmed to do that. 124 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:33.240 I can't. I can't do that. So and I'd still. 125 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.000 Wear a high and tight like the first don't know 126 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:38.480 two years, I'd be out like in I wrapped, trying 127 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:41.759 to like cut my hair all looking like I'll get 128 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.519 a horseshoe, like I'm trying to keep people at work 129 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:45.439 until nine o'clock. 130 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.120 So you went and met your unit that was already 131 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.279 ford deployed. Yeah, what brigade did you go to? 132 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:51.759 I was over with third. 133 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.879 Okay, So tell us a little bit about what that 134 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:57.120 experience was like about OIF one. 135 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.079 So OIF one was not a lot of rules and 136 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:06.959 regulations at the at that time, and we also didn't 137 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:10.720 know what the hell we were doing except just go 138 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:20.079 take everything, occupy land, go take take real estate. So 139 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:24.040 we would we started. We pushed up to most Seoul 140 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:26.959 and then we pushed out west out in the Talifar 141 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:31.639 and kind of owned that whole northern area. Uh, and 142 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:36.839 it was just kind of just chaos. Yeah, I mean 143 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:38.480 from Kuwait to Missoul. 144 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:39.160 Yeah. 145 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:43.120 So the fun thing about it was, you know, the 146 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.480 former the vice President of the United States at the time, 147 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:52.720 former what CEO of company that built the entire cities 148 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:56.360 that we then later on lived in. Before all that 149 00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:00.199 could happen, Uh, we didn't have anything, just what you 150 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:04.600 brought right, right, and you're stringing up without fifty cors 151 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.279 to wash your clothes and dry them, sleeping under a 152 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:10.319 truck when we still slept under trucks. But now you 153 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:12.879 know the safety guy won't let you do that anymore. 154 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:17.839 So uh, yeah, we just it was you ride around 155 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:20.800 in your trucks, you lived in your truck, you lived 156 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:25.360 with your platoon, and you would get resupply with some 157 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:28.079 food and you would just be out and about. We 158 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:32.399 would take over whatever it might be a palace, we 159 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:35.039 might take over any type of real estate, and then 160 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.240 that would kind of become where we lived and you 161 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.879 might stay there for a few months and then you're 162 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.200 just pushing out and going and finding bad guys. But 163 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:46.279 of course at that point, everybody was a bad guy, 164 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:48.679 we just showed up into their neighborhood. 165 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:50.080 They don't like that. 166 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:53.759 You come to my house at two am with big 167 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:57.200 green eyes. You're going to be met, you know, with 168 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:01.440 a field of fire. But I didn't expect that they 169 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:03.480 felt that way, right, So I'm going to show up 170 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:05.240 at their house at two o'clock in the morning and like, 171 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:07.799 I just kicked down your door. Why are you shooting 172 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:09.039 at me? You're a bad guy. 173 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.320 Did you guys have some pretty big dust ups with 174 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:14.120 the Iraqi Army at that time. 175 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:21.039 Yeah, yeah, definitely a lot of conflict because a lot 176 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:24.679 those guys didn't want us there either, at least from 177 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:32.080 my perspective of it. Some of their some of their 178 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:35.879 I guess like their high ranking officers, understood the political 179 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:38.120 portion of that and what we brought to the table. 180 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:42.399 By that, I mean our weapons and our aircraft. Like 181 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:44.799 they knew that that was important, right, and that's what 182 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:47.200 they were going to be able to use to take 183 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:50.600 back over their country. But a lot of the other 184 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:54.799 like junior guys, the enlisted guys, they didn't really want to. 185 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.559 Work with us. They didn't want to stare at all. 186 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:01.440 It's interesting. I mean, I had a lot of people 187 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.360 tell me that at the time, maybe like eighty percent 188 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:10.679 of Iraq supported disposing of Saddam Hussein. But you know, 189 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:13.480 then the question becomes, well, why are you guys still here? Right? 190 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:16.840 So I think the problem and it was the same 191 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.200 in Afghanistan. It was when I say that they don't 192 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.240 want to work with us, so they because they're going 193 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.639 to they sit down on the objective. We can't really 194 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:28.799 push them to do. But so much their work ethic 195 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:32.039 is different. Yes, right, So if we're out on a hit, 196 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:35.840 we're out doing a raid. If we're halfway through it, 197 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:40.039 we're still in a gunfight. They're just gonna go sit down. 198 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:41.200 They're just not into it. 199 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:43.080 Now. 200 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:45.960 The curds up North were a lot better than some 201 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:47.840 of the other cats that we had to work with. 202 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:52.759 Those dudes were pretty motivated to get the job done, 203 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:55.360 but a lot of these units just didn't want to. 204 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:58.840 It reminds me, you know, you talk about like doing 205 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.600 CQB and like theriorities of work in the room and 206 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:03.840 all that kind of stuff. Remember, I had one of 207 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.159 these guys walked right through the door, did not clear 208 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:10.279 any corners at all, went right to the refrigerator, popped 209 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:13.320 it open, shuffled around in there, shut it, sat down 210 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.759 on the couch like we're all there like doing this, 211 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:17.519 trying to clear the structure. 212 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:20.320 Like, what the fuck that is a priority of work. 213 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:23.679 Screaming. I was screaming at this guy. 214 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.399 But yeah, it is different, dude, they'll take smoke breaks 215 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:32.080 or after it. Man, we're in a gunfight, I'm treating 216 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:35.000 a patient and they just come over. They just sit 217 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.559 down and they're just like, we're good, We're gonna take fifteen. 218 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:46.679 What were some of the like memorable actions that you 219 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.679 know you recall from the invasion. 220 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:57.200 Crashing? Oh yeah, yeah, uh so, no, I don't think 221 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:00.840 I can call it a crash. I think I call 222 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:06.799 it a hard landing twice. So I actually, Aside was 223 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.960 in a black Hawk for They needed some dudes to 224 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:14.000 help with the air crew. So they were having guys 225 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:19.320 fly the left seat behind the pilot. On the black Hawk, 226 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:20.679 you got a left seat in the right seat where 227 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.240 the crew chiefs would be. They would have one crew 228 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.039 chief because those birds in the air like all day, 229 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:29.080 all night, right, They're constantly working. So they hey, we 230 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.480 need dudes to help augment And I was like, man, 231 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:32.639 that sounds cool. 232 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:33.600 I'll be a door gunner. 233 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:35.919 So yeah, man, I got to hang out and we 234 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.480 had the old m sixties at the time. We were 235 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:42.919 just starting to get some two forties like in you know, 236 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:45.039 four or fives when they first got fielded out there. 237 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:47.840 But man, they have sixties at that time. So I 238 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:50.200 got to ride a lot of left seat. I think 239 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:52.799 I got close like five hundred and some hours and 240 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:54.679 that thing. Yeah, it was ridiculous because you go out 241 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.320 for twelve hours a day, they'd break. They're not supposed 242 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:59.720 to break this crew rest they have to they can 243 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:02.720 only out for a certain amount of time. But you know, 244 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:05.960 the rules were slightly you know, they they worked with 245 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:10.480 them a little different right right back then. So we 246 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:14.720 had some two hard landings about six months apart, and 247 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:17.120 I was on that aircraft both times, and I had 248 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:20.759 the same crew chief with me. It messed him up, 249 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:24.240 like uh he had I mean, his head got scrambled. 250 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.879 So he ended up having to get out seek a 251 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.840 lot of he had a lot of TBI stuff going 252 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:34.440 on and a lot of VA appointments. I just kept 253 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:40.360 driving on and then the same pilot both times, different 254 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:43.080 co pilot or maybe he but it was the co 255 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.919 pilot and it was a different pilot, but same dude. 256 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:49.360 He ended up when we got back to Fort Campbell. 257 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:53.279 That dude, that pilot ended up, he died in another 258 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:59.759 crash that was training accident. Yeah, so those were definitely some. 259 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.480 We actually were flying the Speaker of the House at 260 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:06.120 the time, Bill Hastard, and we crashed with him. He 261 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:10.080 was he was in the other aircraft like we were 262 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:14.200 like the gunship that was supporting him and we crashed. 263 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:21.120 So were you one of the dudes that was there 264 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:24.879 when they found u DA and QSA, Because I remember one. 265 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:29.600 Hundred first was first was there? I was not there, gotcha? 266 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:31.080 It was in the region, but. 267 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.879 Not unfortunately I missed out. 268 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:37.000 So you were over there. Sounds like you're pretty busy. No, 269 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:39.720 no shortage of jobs to do. Yeah, we have plenty 270 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.720 of work. Yeah. How did kind of that like campaign 271 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.840 wind down for you? Ah? 272 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.000 That was it when we just we were done, came 273 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:53.039 back home and then uh, it was just one day. 274 00:14:53.759 --> 00:15:00.279 We actually started building some pretty good fobs and we 275 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:03.679 were hiring some local force dudes. I was paying them 276 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:07.279 four dollars a day in cash and they were a 277 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.559 lotning them up. At the end of the day. They 278 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:14.519 did work for eight nine hours digging ditches, building stuff 279 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:17.200 with you know wood that we were you know, a 280 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:20.879 crew and to build whatever kind of structures or places 281 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:25.960 for guys to live and things like that. So it 282 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:30.919 was kind of a fun transition when you know, I 283 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.799 got to see that we were doing something was happening 284 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:34.279 r right. 285 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:35.879 It was like we were leaving. 286 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:37.559 Us some kind of infrastructure in place. 287 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:38.799 So that was good. 288 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:40.919 Now, we did have an interpreter that I worked with, 289 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:43.879 not like I said, daily, but definitely mostiple times. 290 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:45.320 A week, and. 291 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:52.519 We would have to get money from accounting and then 292 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:54.759 we would use that cash, you know, we'd pay out 293 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.919 our dudes. We'd have contractors to help moving heavy equipment, 294 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.960 moving earth whatever. So my interpreter was kind of also 295 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:08.279 like the contract liaison, and a pile of money got 296 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:13.559 him killed once he left outside of the fob. Yeah, 297 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:18.120 so that that happened after I'd go out to the 298 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:20.080 edge of the fob that we were building every day 299 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:22.799 and I had this like big concertina wire fence. It 300 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:25.600 was probably like I don't know, eighty feet fifty feet 301 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:28.679 or something, and there'd be one hundred and fifty dudes 302 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.759 packed into this thing trying to get them to do 303 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:33.960 work force because they're getting that four dollars a day 304 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:38.960 in cash, right, So they would they would be out 305 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:40.639 there and me and Chris. 306 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:44.320 Would go out and it was just chaos. Man. 307 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.399 He got all these dudes trying to and most of 308 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.600 them were good dudes, Iraqi citizens that wanted to get 309 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:56.080 some work. And so they're like they're begging, you know, 310 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:57.519 and they're gonna come up to you, and they're gonna 311 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.320 be with the man. You start touching us, like at 312 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:05.160 we're freaking out. We're still I mean, I don't know 313 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.559 what the hell's going on at this point. He come 314 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:09.519 up here and you start touching me. Now I feeling 315 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:11.839 like you're reaching for my magazines or whatever. Now I'm 316 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.640 screaming like a fool. Everybody get down, like I'm rambo, 317 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:19.000 you know, bring a two oh three out one day 318 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:20.960 just to I don't have any. 319 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:22.440 No ammunition for it. 320 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:23.880 But they don't know this, you know, just to make 321 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.599 a sound like a racking a shotgun. So it was, uh, 322 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.240 it was interesting to say the least, just trying to 323 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:35.079 do like two dudes trying to do this crowd control 324 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:39.519 and then you grab ten, twelve, fifteen guys and they 325 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:41.400 throw them in the back. You know, I drove one truck, 326 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.839 he drove another truck. It was just kind of all 327 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:46.359 over the place. You're also a young guy. 328 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:49.039 Kind of sounds like in some ways acting like the 329 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:50.200 mayor of a little town. 330 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:53.759 Early twenties. I did not have any business doing what 331 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:55.960 I was doing, or doing what I thought that I 332 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:56.640 was doing. 333 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:59.960 Yeah, sometimes it's better you don't. You don't know when 334 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:04.160 better at the right. One thing I love about summer 335 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:06.839 is how easy everything feels. The days are a little 336 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:10.039 more relaxed, and I find myself reaching for the same comfortable, 337 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:13.599 go anywhere pieces again and again. That's why I keep 338 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.839 coming back to Quints. They focus on well made essentials 339 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:20.160 that naturally become those everyday staples you actually live in 340 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:24.400 all season long. Quinc is one hundred percent European linen 341 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:27.599 pants and shirts are breathable, easy to throw on, and 342 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:31.119 the summer upgrade your rotation needs. Starting at just thirty 343 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:34.119 four dollars. Their teas are soft enough to live in 344 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:37.359 all day, and lightweight cotton sweaters are exactly what you 345 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:41.480 want when summer nights cool down. Everything at Quint's is 346 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:44.920 priced fifty to eighty percent less than similar brands. They 347 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.079 work directly with ethical factories and cut out the middlemen, 348 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.799 so you're paying for exceptional quality, not brand mark up. 349 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:54.920 And it's not just clothing. Quints has become a trusted 350 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:58.279 favorite for everything from home to travel to everyday essentials. 351 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.480 Make your summer wardrobe easier. Go to quints dot com 352 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:05.720 slash house for free shipping on your order and three 353 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:09.440 hundred and sixty five day returns Now available in Canada too. 354 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:16.160 That's q u i ncee dot com slash house for 355 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:19.319 free shipping and three hundred and sixty five day returns 356 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:25.160 quints dot com slash house. Guys, if you're a lady, 357 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:27.640 or your fella or that person that sends you an 358 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:31.240 eggplant emoji at two am is ready for better sex, 359 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:34.720 then you should be two That's where blue Choo comes in. 360 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:37.200 They have been on a mission for years to help 361 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.480 get you bricked up, build your confidence, and help you 362 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:44.680 actually perform in the bedroom. Their new arousal boosting formula, 363 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:47.839 blue Chew Gold, is helping millions of men have better 364 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:52.440 sex in twenty twenty six. While most eed meds focus 365 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:55.920 only on blood flow, blue Chew Gold goes further by 366 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:59.400 combining two ingredients for blood flow with two ingredients for 367 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.240 mental ear and connection, so you're not just physically ready, 368 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.519 you're actually in the mood. This type of innovation is 369 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:09.119 why Blue Choo Gold is the number one brand in 370 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:12.319 a rectile function. Don't let your mind get in the 371 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:15.240 way of a good time. Discover your options at blue 372 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:18.519 cheo dot com. And we've got a special deal for 373 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:21.400 our listeners right now. When you buy two months of 374 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:24.279 blue Cheo Gold, you get a third for free with 375 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:28.880 the promo code house Call. That's promo code house Call. 376 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:32.720 Visit blue cheo dot com for more details and important 377 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:36.799 safety information, and we thank blue Cheo for sponsoring this podcast. 378 00:20:39.079 --> 00:20:42.960 So when you get back to the United States, when 379 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:45.559 does SF sort of come into the picture for you? 380 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:47.079 How's that on your mind? 381 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:51.279 So when I was deployed, I saw dudes that looked 382 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:52.160 a lot cooler than me. 383 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:56.160 They had pockets on their sleeves and bevelcrow. 384 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:57.880 I remember I was coming from the Marine Corps. I 385 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.759 didn't know anything about the Army. So this guy, Chris, 386 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.359 I'm talking about who those cats? 387 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:05.519 Like? There? 388 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:10.680 Those are Special Forces? Man, they don't even exist. I 389 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:14.279 see them right there. He's like, no man, you can't 390 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:18.839 do that, okay, Like what do you gotta do? He's like, oh, 391 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:21.200 he advertises Seer school because that's all he. 392 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:22.920 Knew about it. He's like, oh man, you gotta like, 393 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:26.519 you know, go live in the woods and survive. 394 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:32.000 All right, let's try it. So uh yeah, man, you 395 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:34.039 talk to a recruiter that tells you a little bit 396 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:37.319 more about it, still slightly vague. I was like, yeah, 397 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:40.640 let's give it a go. And uh I got in 398 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:45.079 shape and I went to a selection and uh yeah 399 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:45.640 that sucked. 400 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.599 That was what year was that that you went to selection? 401 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:52.359 Eight seven? 402 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:58.279 Okay? And then uh yeah. 403 00:21:58.319 --> 00:21:59.759 So I was like, you know that you got to 404 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.720 fill a wish list and I was like, I'm gonna 405 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:06.160 speak Arabic and be an eighteen delta and they were 406 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:11.119 like sold and like got it, man, Like skip selection, 407 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.000 you just go right to the course and train this. 408 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:14.880 Guy who wants that. 409 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:21.480 So uh yeah, I got what I wanted and yeah 410 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:28.559 that was that was super interesting And I got through 411 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:33.279 the medic course. Uh it made it out to fifth group. 412 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:37.279 What was kind of your impression going through the Q 413 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:39.440 course at that time? Was it sort of the the 414 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:44.319 experience that you were hoping for Yeah, it was professional. 415 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:51.039 It was really professional because especially the eighteen Delta course. 416 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:56.200 That part was definitely, uh, that was an experience that 417 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:01.039 because that's long, you know, going through that. It was 418 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:07.200 a year long, and it was it was run by civilians. 419 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:09.839 I mean, there was definitely a lot of military cadre there, 420 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:12.279 but it was a majority of it were civilians PAS, 421 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:17.000 retired guys. Yeah, a lot of retired eighteen Deltas dudes 422 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:19.599 that have now gone on to nursing school, dudes that 423 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:25.960 have gone on to become PAS, civilian PAS, dudes that 424 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:29.920 have had a lot of experience. And these guys are 425 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:35.720 super smart, like ridiculously intelligent and trying to teach me 426 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:39.359 how to be a doctor and a surgeon in. 427 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:40.319 Less than a year. 428 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:43.039 And I was like, man, I you know, I couldn't 429 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:45.039 even put on a band aid, you know, before going 430 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.680 to this course, I had no idea about trauma medicine. 431 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:51.119 Guys are teaching me how to do an IV you know, 432 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:52.920 back when I was in the regular Army and I 433 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.319 didn't understand the concept of like a needle and a catheter. 434 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.119 That's foreign to me. I have no idea how I 435 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:03.160 made it through that course zero social life, three hours 436 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:08.640 of studying every night, and a lot of luck. Yeah, 437 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:11.319 because I ask you some really crazy questions on there 438 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.200 on these tests and you're getting tested every every few days, right, 439 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:22.640 So and then they've got so we had cadavers in 440 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:24.920 this course and we had this pin test which on 441 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.920 went as a cadre like anatomy. Yeah, as a cadre, 442 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:33.240 I tried to help alleviate some of that struggle because 443 00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:37.799 it's it's at a doctorate level, for sure. It's asking 444 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:40.880 you about You've got this cadaver that's broken down into 445 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.920 all the nerves, vessels, veins, everything you can imagine, and 446 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.880 it's asking you not specifically, like what muscle is this? 447 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:54.160 Like okay, cool, but what happens when you flex this muscle? 448 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:57.200 What does this one do? And then the nerve that 449 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:00.799 attached to that and the innervation of that nerve and 450 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.960 say what the what do I need to know this for? 451 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:08.799 So yeah, and you forget it. 452 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:09.720 So I don't know. 453 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:12.079 That was my point when I went back to as 454 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:13.759 a cadre. I was like, we don't need this, Maks, 455 00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:14.640 We're not going to use it. 456 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:19.039 Right, So I don't know. And was there a final 457 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:21.279 exercise in the course back when you went through. 458 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.000 Yeah, not it was, but it was. It was kind 459 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:30.880 of watered down. Uh, it wasn't. It was very anti climactic, 460 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:35.000 which is actually one of the things that I wanted 461 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:39.799 to change during my tenure there. So I think we 462 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:42.200 did a pretty good job of doing that. We actually 463 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:46.079 brought in a whole different phase during my time because 464 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.240 I went back as a cadre later on for that 465 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:53.279 Delta course and we were able to include prolonged field 466 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:55.279 care because that wasn't a. 467 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:57.440 Part of the course as the Golden Hour. 468 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:01.960 And then you realize is that, okay, well we're actually 469 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.599 going to have to sit on this dude for day 470 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:09.519 or days again because Africa is going on and those 471 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.920 dudes aren't getting a quick transport out of Africa. So 472 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.759 when that happens, we're advertising that we can sit on 473 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.240 a patient for seventy two hours. But yet we don't 474 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:24.880 push blood, we don't do a lot in ventilation, we 475 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:28.200 don't do a lot of things that we're advertising. You know, 476 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:31.079 we might have practiced a skill one time, you know, 477 00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.440 for like two days, and then we move past it. 478 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:37.599 That's not proficiency, right, I'm not gonna honestly expect myself 479 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:40.000 to be able to go and handle that two years, 480 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.039 three years from now. So a lot of that didn't 481 00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:43.359 get to. 482 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:45.480 Change, and we were able to bring in a really 483 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:49.319 good final training here. Yeah, we'll circle back around on 484 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:53.720 that for sure. But after you graduate the course, you 485 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:58.599 get assigned to fifth group for Campbell, Kentucky, and your 486 00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:00.880 first kind of spot that you need is fourth battalion. 487 00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.240 So now, what what is this two thousand and eight maybe, yeah, 488 00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:09.480 so we were there at the same time, actually, yeah, yeah, 489 00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:13.000 So what was your experience like on three five? 490 00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:18.000 It was it was awesome. One of my favorite teams 491 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:19.720 that I was ever on. 492 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:21.000 That's awesome. 493 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.839 Actually when I got there because they weren't spending up 494 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:31.599 for deployments, so at that time at least not all 495 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:35.640 the teams were. I went and did a Caribbean dive requel. 496 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.039 I didn't even go to dive school yet, and I'm 497 00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.799 in the Caribbean for a month, so that was like, oh, 498 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.440 this is a vacation. That was kind of one of 499 00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:50.000 the coolest training exercises that I'd gotten to go on. 500 00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:52.359 As I recalled, they had some of the teams going 501 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:57.359 out on j sets around that timeframe, right yes, yeah, yep, 502 00:27:57.759 --> 00:27:58.240 we went. 503 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:04.000 We were doing dive requalls and just starting to spin 504 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:08.319 up later on, and then I went over to third Battalion. 505 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.519 But I mean they sent you to dive school while 506 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:12.000 you were there. 507 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:19.480 No, oh really no, nope. So there was a I 508 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:21.559 guess there was a school of thought at this point 509 00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:27.200 where Star Major was like, look at that time, no, 510 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:28.680 that was ranger school because I was trying to go 511 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:30.839 to ranger school at the time. He's like, man, I'm 512 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.039 not going to lose you for sixty three days. I'm 513 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.240 not gonna lose a Delta for sixty three days. This 514 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:38.400 is just one Star Major's mindset at the time. Maybe 515 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.160 more feeling that way. But you know, being a Delta, 516 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:43.839 we weren't a lot of us, Like, not every team 517 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.240 had two, right, so as you know, like a lot 518 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.960 of teams had one, some teams didn't have any, you know, 519 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.759 for periods of time. Matter of fact, I had to 520 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:54.400 jump to a couple of different teams to help make 521 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:59.000 their missions, even deployed with other teams, and even while 522 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.920 I was gone on a deployment, the team would lose 523 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:05.799 a medic and I'd go over and augment over for 524 00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:09.000 another team for a little while, so I did not 525 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:12.039 get to go to CDQC. I did not get to 526 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:12.880 go to Ranger school. 527 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.200 Well, where where did you get sent I. 528 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:22.119 Went to dive teams as a as a dry medic, 529 00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.799 I went to halo teams. Never got to go to 530 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:31.000 Halo school. I got sent to J sets and deployments, 531 00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:32.920 so I didn't get to. 532 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:35.119 Go to any school. So you're like a floating medic 533 00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.119 in some ways. Where which J sets did you get 534 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.160 sent on? At the time? I did a lot of Lebanons. 535 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.759 Oh really, Yeah, I didn't even really realize we were 536 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.599 shooting people over there at that time. Yeah, we did 537 00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:49.440 a lot of Lebanons. Well what was that one? Like? 538 00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:53.759 So Lebanon is actually a pretty cool country. Well it 539 00:29:53.880 --> 00:30:00.720 was until recently, until it's now in shambles. But uh 540 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:06.319 so the in Beirut is where the embassy was, the 541 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.599 marine and barracks were there, and that got blown up. 542 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:10.400 And that was what eighty eighty three. 543 00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.359 That's still there in all of its parts and pieces. 544 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.839 Oh no, shit, there's still a fifty cow sitting up 545 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:21.720 on the top under a cover. I don't know if 546 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.880 it's the one from eighty three, but it's been up 547 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:28.640 there for a very very very long time, and the 548 00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:31.079 people that work at the embassy were like, yeah, men, 549 00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:36.720 that's that's been here forever. So Levanon is. 550 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:37.359 Kind of nice. 551 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:42.720 You've got mountains, you've got beaches all in the same day. 552 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:49.119 They've got ski resorts there, They've got like terrific restaurants, 553 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.759 so that's kind of fun, right, But then you know, 554 00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:57.559 you get a couple of days of that, but then 555 00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.960 you're for another twenty thirty days up in the mountain 556 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.400 in the cold, training these dudes, you know, walking through 557 00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.079 the through the mountains and put a POI together for 558 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:10.519 a month or two and then come back down and 559 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:13.359 enjoy a couple of days. But it was overall a 560 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.440 pretty good jay set. 561 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:17.599 I mean they had night. 562 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:21.079 Life, they had and we'd get escorts everywhere we go. 563 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.960 But then later on it became a lot more free 564 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:31.759 when I ended up going back in twenty eighteen and 565 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:36.480 kind of just do whatever, just as long as you got. 566 00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:39.599 Somebody with you. You know, we take we take a 567 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:43.039 truck and high lucks and you can go out to 568 00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:47.000 eat restaurants or whatever. What was elect training the Lebanese 569 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:53.279 Partner Force. So I have to you know, a lot 570 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:55.039 of guys got foreign jump wings. Do you get any 571 00:31:55.079 --> 00:32:02.039 foreign jump wings Chilean? I believe Weirdly enough, that's yeah, 572 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:02.599 So a. 573 00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:04.720 Lot of guys get like Italian and all kinds of stuff, 574 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:09.359 right unless somebody out there, somebody can going to search 575 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:10.359 internet and prove. 576 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:10.759 Me wrong or. 577 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.880 Make a comment that they got him after we did. 578 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.960 As far as I know, we were the first team 579 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:24.160 and only team to ever get the Lebanese A Assault Wings. 580 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:30.359 Interesting because we trained their air assault unit and they 581 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.279 had this aerosault school tower. We went repelling off their 582 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.480 tower and then we got these Lebanese Assault Wings. There 583 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.079 was only ten of us that got awarded that because 584 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:40.960 not everybody. 585 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:43.279 Went down the tower. The captain was doing something or 586 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:47.680 whatever that day briefing. Another officer we've had sitting in 587 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:52.279 that same chair, Mike Taylor, who was a Tenth Group guy, 588 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:56.319 but back in the day, tenth Group covered down on Lebanon, Okay, 589 00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.599 and he was on the first MTT to Lebanon. I 590 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:05.519 believe it was eighty three, and then uh Gary Harrington 591 00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.480 he was over there too, around around that same time frame. 592 00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:11.200 So yeah, it's just interesting to hear these different experiences, 593 00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:13.640 you know, and the more things change, the more they 594 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:19.160 stay the same. I guess, yeah, one of the I 595 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:20.400 think I went back again in. 596 00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:27.880 Fifteen or fourteen, and yeah, during a rotation in fourteen, 597 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:35.279 I we were working with the dive team with the 598 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.119 Navy Seals. So I was on a dive team at 599 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:40.079 the time. So we went down and we were training 600 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.759 their Navy Seals. And the irony is like there was 601 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:47.519 a lot of dudes they couldn't swim, couldn't swim. So 602 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.319 I could say, yeah, man taught the Navy Seals. 603 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:50.839 How to swim. 604 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:56.359 That sounded like a total ass by saying that, let's 605 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:57.440 add their elevenies. 606 00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.279 You're telling these stories. I knew a couple of National 607 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.319 Guard guys who had a really cozy gig going where 608 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.880 every summer they'd go down to Jamaica and work with Jamaica. 609 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.480 They have some sort of dive team, rescue dive team. 610 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:12.199 I don't know what they are. Yeah, work with them 611 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.679 every summer for a jay set like it's pretty cush. 612 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:18.960 Yeah, those were Those were pretty good times because we'd 613 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.559 do a lot of water worn operations and uh, the 614 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:26.440 Mediterranean is really good swimming. That's that's a great place 615 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:32.360 to go. Dive, go swim, no sharks, that's a big worry. 616 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.239 Now we'd go down in the Caribbean to do dive requall, 617 00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:40.480 we would out of teams, aren't Uh That do was awesome. Uh, 618 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:45.199 he's still still a good friend. But he would purposely 619 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.039 find like these coordinates of where these bunch. 620 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.280 Of chumb the waters before they puts you in there, 621 00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.920 So we'll get to that one. So we'd go dive down. 622 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.679 To where there's known to be a little shark neighborhoods 623 00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:01.599 and so it maybe sixty sixty five foot down. So 624 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:05.199 going down to the bottom. Now was a civilian diver. 625 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:07.920 So when I'm going down frequently, Yeah, I hadn't gone 626 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:11.360 to CDQC, but I was a civilian diver from now. 627 00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:15.400 He and so I dove down and yeah, we'd be 628 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:17.480 somewming around with those dudes. And so I got to 629 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.960 swim with sharks, got to dive with sharks, which was terrifying, 630 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.119 uh for the first like five minutes. And then once you 631 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.000 kind of break that fear of it, and I'm not 632 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.199 gonna say you don't notice him anymore, but you you 633 00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.199 pay him a little less attention. And I need to 634 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:35.719 recognize that you're in there their area and they're just 635 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:40.840 seeing what's going on, and uh, you know, I I 636 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:42.960 think I played. I tried to play chicken with one. 637 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:45.400 It was like kind of coming towards me a little bit, 638 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.679 so I planed out. I started swimming towards him a 639 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.880 little bit, like I thought I was a lot tougher 640 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.320 than what that was. He didn't stop coming, So yeah, 641 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.480 I bailed out, and uh yeah he won. 642 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:00.800 I'll give it to him. 643 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:02.679 But we did chump the water. We actually went out to 644 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.480 this place called one two Bowie, one two Booie. 645 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:07.880 Take the boats out. 646 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.239 We're just gonna free dive out here. You're gonna go 647 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:16.800 spearfishing my one two booie. Mind you is six thousand 648 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:17.559 feet deep. 649 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.639 This is like a collapsed volcano or something. 650 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.159 I couldn't tell you, and I don't know. I mean 651 00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:27.760 that is terrifying, just psychologically. 652 00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:29.119 Yeah, maybe not for everybody. 653 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.519 For me, it was absolutely like just knowing that it's 654 00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:36.119 six thousand foot deep, for whatever reason, not gonna sink 655 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:38.920 to the bottom. I got fins, I got a mask, 656 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.039 doesn't matter if it's ten feet or six thousand. But 657 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:47.960 the abyss just had me right, So okay, we splash in, 658 00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:53.599 we're swimming around, we're spearing some amberjack, you know, big amberjack. 659 00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:58.519 They're probably only this big, but nonetheless, so we throw 660 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:03.119 them onto we're chumming the water ultimately, because we're throw 661 00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:04.559 them in a net that's hanging off the side of 662 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.039 the boat and keeping them fresh. But you know, blood 663 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.239 in the water. Now, we got some big dudes coming along. 664 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.079 I mean I say big. They were probably seven eight 665 00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:19.239 foot and that was just that was uncomfortable. The first 666 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.519 dudes I ran into were like six foot. If you 667 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.480 had that extra couple of feet on there, that made 668 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.239 a huge difference. So yeah, we got chased out of 669 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:30.039 the water. And but we'd go do the three kse swim. 670 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.599 You get dropped off three kilometers, you know, and you 671 00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:37.800 got ninety minutes and you're in your kit and you 672 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:41.920 know you're out there. I know the Navy does it 673 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.760 out there in San Diego, but uh, you know, we're 674 00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:46.599 doing the Caribbean, which is a lot nicer because you 675 00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:48.440 could see. The visibility was a lot better. You could 676 00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:51.199 see pretty far away those dudes were out there. 677 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:56.880 Geez if upgrading your full sleep setup has been on 678 00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.400 the list for a while. Ghost beds. Fourth of July 679 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:02.599 sale is the time to actually do it right Now. 680 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:05.639 You can get two hundred and fifty dollars off mattress bundles, 681 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:09.000 which means you can add cooling pillows, cooling sheets, or 682 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:12.039 an adjustable base and still come out well ahead of 683 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.559 what you'd pay anywhere else. And as a Teamhouse listener, 684 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:18.239 you get an extra ten percent off on top of 685 00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:22.400 that using the code House. Ghostbed is a family owned 686 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.559 company with more than twenty years of mattress making experience. 687 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:29.039 Their background is in manufacturing, so every product in their 688 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:31.760 lineup is built with the same focus on materials and 689 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:37.400 construction rather than marketing spend in inflated markups. Every Ghostbed 690 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.360 mattress is built with cooling from the ground up and 691 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.719 their pro core support layer, which reinforces the center of 692 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.280 the mattress where your body puts the most weight. Don't 693 00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:49.440 take it from me, They've got more than one hundred 694 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.119 thousand positive reviews from people who made the switch and 695 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.599 didn't look back. Mattresses are made in the USA and 696 00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:58.599 Canada and come with a one hundred and one night 697 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.880 sleep trial. I asked in free shipping and a warranty 698 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:05.480 up to twenty five years twice the industry standard. Not 699 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:09.119 sure where to start, head to ghostbed dot com slash 700 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:12.480 house and take their mattress quiz to find the right mattress. 701 00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:16.159 Then build from there. Go to ghostbed dot com slash 702 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.800 house and use the promo code house at checkout. That's 703 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:24.679 ghostbed dot com slash house promo code house. Some exclusions 704 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:30.920 apply sea site for details. And so you spent some time. 705 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:32.440 How long were you at fourth Battalion? 706 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:34.480 I was just there for a year. 707 00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.480 Oh okay, so they kept you busy in that year. Yeah, 708 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.320 and then you, uh, how did you move over to 709 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:43.440 third battalion? They needed some dudes over at third Battalion 710 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:48.880 needed to medical they were rotating, so I ended up 711 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.280 on h on three six. 712 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:58.559 And that was good. That was uh well, best team 713 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:06.079 in fifth group actually had the trophy, so uh had 714 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:07.440 that for for a while. 715 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:08.880 And then. 716 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:16.199 From three six I went to one two and did 717 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:20.880 some deployments out there in the northern region. Now then 718 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:26.760 one two we were attached to nine to five. Uh well, 719 00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:30.480 the old ODA five five. Oh yeah, so yeah, they 720 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.599 did the initial invasion, so we went with them, and 721 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:36.639 I got to work with nine to five for quite 722 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.440 a while for that. You know a lot of that 723 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:44.159 deployment and we got into some pretty good ticks. Where 724 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:52.159 was that that was in outside of masarl Sharif it 725 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.159 was in the north, so that's like, is that herat 726 00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:56.159 out in that area? 727 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:56.880 No? 728 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.440 Okay, it was outside of mez Okay okay. 729 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:05.719 Uh. So well, first you were with three six. Did 730 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.559 you get sent anywhere with that team? Lebanon? Oh? 731 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.800 Okay, that was your Lebanon tripp Orskotra did that Lebanon? 732 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:19.800 Okay? And then one two to Afghanistan. Yeah, and you 733 00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:24.119 were the delta on the team, I take it. Yeah. 734 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:26.559 And so what kind of stands out in your memory 735 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.280 from that time? And what year was it that you 736 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:28.719 were there? 737 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.719 And I did that one twelve thirteen. 738 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:39.039 So ben Laden has been taken out. Yeah, Like what 739 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.639 was your conception of like what you were doing there? Why, 740 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:45.320 why the team was there? You know at the time. 741 00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:52.320 Ever since, like the initial invasion and the reason that 742 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:58.599 we went over there, in my mind, it was just 743 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:03.480 full sent we have to go and do this for America. 744 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:09.159 We've got to do this to protect our freedom. And 745 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:16.320 it didn't matter about, you know, whether or not the 746 00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.519 leader of the largest terror of cell in the world 747 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:24.920 was dead because all of them aren't dead, right, So 748 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:28.440 that's still the problem. We have to finish all of it. 749 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:29.760 What does finish look like? 750 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:30.599 Yeah? 751 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.480 Right, but then what does finish look like when no 752 00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:37.360 one else is standing except you know, the good guys? 753 00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.159 Which is kind of an insane objective when you think 754 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:42.079 about it, right, reflect back on. 755 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.519 That, And I'm not a lot of reflecting since then. 756 00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.719 So yeah, we'll get to that. But that was kind 757 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:54.039 of the objective, is just keep going and keep trying 758 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.719 to do well. We thought, man, this is God's work. 759 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:04.719 You know, they're all bad guy and how we made him. 760 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:08.199 We made a lot of those guys bad guys. Like 761 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.159 I said, if you come to my house and you 762 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.320 break in at you know whatever, two o'clock in the morning, 763 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.360 I'm not going to be too happy about it. 764 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.960 And it's like, if we weren't there, would that guy 765 00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.679 be trying to kill Americans? El Kada guy maybe, but 766 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.599 like Taliban, dude, what the hell do they care? They know? 767 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.559 But I'm over there and I'm in his house where 768 00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:38.320 his family sleeps. Yeah, it'll piss off the locals. 769 00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.079 He's got a problem with that. Yeah, And and I 770 00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:48.400 don't understand that at that time. At that time, Yeah, 771 00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:55.639 what were some of your more memorable experiences from that trip? Uh, 772 00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:56.239 I don't know. 773 00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:03.599 That's a good question, that's a very good question. I've 774 00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:11.519 got some maybe they're not the they're not good memories. 775 00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:15.800 They can be good, bad, funny or whatever you want. 776 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:21.280 So we got Uh. 777 00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.239 So we were QRF one night, nine to five was 778 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:29.840 on a hit, and so we're sitting by the fire 779 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.159 aircraft is sitting there ready, and uh, we've got a 780 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:35.159 package for them. 781 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:36.960 We're gonna bring either AMMO. 782 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.679 Or like some med supplies, a couple of different packages. 783 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:43.840 So they're gonna go do this hit. We'll call it 784 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.679 twenty three hundred, because I'm pretty sure. 785 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:47.239 That was the time. 786 00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.840 The hit was about twenty three fifteen. The radio crackles, 787 00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:55.400 these dude's like we need some help, man, they're calling 788 00:44:55.480 --> 00:45:00.239 in the entire package. Okay, Like, bro, you guys us 789 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.960 got on to the objective. Like we're en route. Everything 790 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:08.719 is loaded up, we spin up and airborne we go. 791 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.719 We're there and I don't know, thirty minutes maybe a 792 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:17.400 little less, but hitting the ground. I know roughly where 793 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:17.800 they are. 794 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:18.519 We all do. 795 00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:27.599 So we've got Now we prepared with everything we packed, 796 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.199 We packed it all. It should have been in a truck, 797 00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.760 but we don't have a truck. We've got a uh 798 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:41.440 sixty and so now it's like a selection event trying 799 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.960 to carry all of this shit because we're on a 800 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.280 ridge line. So we've got to go down this ridge 801 00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.400 line like because aircraft won't even get us super close 802 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:51.519 because it's going to drop us off, I don't know, 803 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:54.760 five six hundred meters away from the objective. So now 804 00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:58.599 we've got to try to haul all this stuff and 805 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.599 teams aren't like, can he go because they're they need 806 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.280 medic support pretty bad. So me and a couple of 807 00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.920 guys we haul asked we're heading onto the X. Everybody 808 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:10.440 else is like carrying equipment. 809 00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:12.199 Uh. 810 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:18.159 So I get there and one of the the Bravo 811 00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:22.199 on the other team, he's walking up this little ridge 812 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.280 line where we're linking up, and he's got a dude 813 00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:30.599 on his shoulder, and uh, I was like hey, He's like, oh, Kenny, 814 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:33.639 you're here. Yeah, Bud. He's like, hey, I got somebody 815 00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:35.960 for you. Okay, cool, let's put put them over here 816 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.559 on the flat ground. So he put them on the 817 00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:42.280 flat ground. Oh there's we're still in this like pretty 818 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.719 good firefight going on. And so you know those three 819 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.079 rules as f always look cool. That's rule number one, right, 820 00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.519 always look cool. So when I heard that in the selection, 821 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:58.159 I was like, yeah. 822 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:01.360 Marls or something, you know, watch gotta have it. 823 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.440 And then rule number two is don't get lost, no problem. 824 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:11.559 I had GPS stopping as directions. Rule number three is 825 00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:14.360 if you get lost, so cool doing it right. I 826 00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:15.920 really didn't understand that concept either. 827 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:18.320 Maybe I was like the slowest guy. 828 00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:22.320 I slipped through somehow, but I didn't understand really what 829 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.079 all that meant. And it might mean different different things 830 00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.519 to different guys. I'll tell you what it means for me. 831 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:32.159 And it was there when he gave me this guy 832 00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.599 that's missing a big chunk of his head and he's 833 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:41.800 got multiple gunshot wounds on him, and I'm like, oh, 834 00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:45.159 this dude is not in a good situation. 835 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.400 He's not doing well. But you're the medics, so you 836 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:50.519 got to medic. 837 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.199 And now he brings me another guy. So I'm putting 838 00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:58.119 this one dude's head back together. I'm running through my algorithm. 839 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.480 I got in the bleeding stopped and put his head 840 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:04.679 back together. Dude brings me another guy. Now you know 841 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.800 it's midnight ish. I don't think we have a full 842 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:11.960 moon out, so the loom is very low and you 843 00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:15.119 know you can't white light anything. And just right there 844 00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:19.400 is the village that this gunfights still happening. I got 845 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:23.559 my Bravos now showed up and he's running his gun. 846 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:27.000 It's kind of loud, and I got two patients putting 847 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:28.280 one's head back together, and now I'll get to the 848 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:28.760 other one. 849 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:30.320 I'm going through my. 850 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.079 March algorithm massive memorage airway respiration. So I get to 851 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:36.719 airway and I was like, it's not doing good. So 852 00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.559 I'm going to innovate this guy. And I've done this 853 00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:42.519 plenty of times in the hospital, but never during a 854 00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:47.599 gunfight at Ridge at midnight uns. So I start to 855 00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:50.519 open up his mouth and it's not really opening and 856 00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:51.960 I was like, you know what, I'm not even going 857 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.079 to do this one straight because of injuries. Yeah, I 858 00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:57.280 was like, we went straight to the craik. I pull 859 00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.320 out my knife and then this jack. This is when 860 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:06.000 it made sense because inside, I mean, I'm kind of 861 00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:09.519 freaking out, but you wouldn't know it, right, I've done 862 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:13.639 this one hundred times a thousand times in training. So 863 00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:18.039 I'm like, look cool, right, just look calm and collected. 864 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.559 And then all right, so I grabbed this dude's nick. 865 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:27.119 I can't really see super good. So I've got a palpaid. 866 00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:31.559 I gotta feel the Adams apple. I gotta feel where 867 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:32.840 that cartilage. 868 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:34.840 Is going to be. And I was like, don't get lost. 869 00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:40.039 I start to make the cut, you know, I fuck 870 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:45.559 get lost. THEOK, cool doing it, you know, success, success, 871 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:46.679 drop the tube. 872 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:48.679 Dam you know. 873 00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:52.280 Now I'm feeling like, oh man, I'm bad A big deal. 874 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.320 I played it that way. Yeah, yeah, I definitely did 875 00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.840 not see that. Wasn't I a bingo card, you know, 876 00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:58.719 got up this morning? 877 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:00.679 But there it is. We did it. 878 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:02.960 Uh. And so that's where those three rules s F 879 00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:06.280 came in And that was kind of a memorable moment 880 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.199 because then that carried with me for a lot of 881 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:09.079 different things later. 882 00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:12.719 Yeah, we ended up I had several. 883 00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:16.119 Patients that I had six patients medic on the on 884 00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:18.960 the team on nine to five ended up with shrapnel 885 00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.960 from grenade, through and through. He was meta fact first 886 00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:25.719 thing as we came in, so like it was me 887 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:30.159 out there and I guess I got to learn a 888 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.159 lot about a lot about me and a lot about 889 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:40.159 the training. It really validated everything that that that soccam 890 00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:44.079 course is teaching. I mean, through those holes make the 891 00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:48.239 greatest medics in the world. I'm the biggest believer in that. Like, 892 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:51.920 those guys are absolute studs. When you get out of 893 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.440 that course. If you're able to make it through that course, 894 00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.320 very difficult first time go rate. But if you're able 895 00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:02.039 to make it through the course, you are for stellar. 896 00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:06.239 I would let any aging delta work on me before 897 00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:09.639 a lot of these, like some of these dudes out 898 00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:10.639 there in the civilian world. 899 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:16.039 Yeah, I trust ageing deltas and did that kind of 900 00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:18.239 like you said that kind of like stuck with you 901 00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:22.760 would did you find that, you know, in times of 902 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.239 high stress you were able to remain calm. 903 00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:33.000 It's certainly helped out. Even working with some of the 904 00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.280 local populace. We would do these little kind of like 905 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:40.360 a medcap right, so we do medical capabilities. I would 906 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:41.800 show up as the you. 907 00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.760 Know, Western doctor kind of guy, you know, and I 908 00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:48.639 would get all kinds of folks out there. Kids. 909 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:51.159 I had a kid, and I was seeing this kid 910 00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:55.280 every every few days. I'd have him come back, he 911 00:51:55.400 --> 00:52:00.000 was burned. The story that I got was they kept change, 912 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:06.480 but nonetheless you take off, like from his feet to 913 00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:15.000 his head, just his whole body was completely different because 914 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.159 of just the severity of the burns. 915 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:19.440 Was this scarred over or is this still open? 916 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.199 It was some still open and a lot of it 917 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.519 was just scarred over. And he was still trying to 918 00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:29.599 heal from this. This is not a sterile environment that 919 00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:33.840 he's not at all. Yeah, So you know, I'm like, 920 00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.039 what I've got with me? Man, This guy needs a 921 00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:43.320 long term burn units he needs he needs surgeries, and 922 00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:46.840 I can't do that right. But I do have some 923 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.719 things that I can do. I do have some pain 924 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:54.239 medications to help him get through his day, and I 925 00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.119 can wrap him up and that psychologically makes him feel better. 926 00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:01.320 So that's a lot of curlics on this kid. But 927 00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:06.119 the family was very thankful and that showed gratitude enough, 928 00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:07.480 even though. 929 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.360 I know that that's not what he needed. But I 930 00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:11.639 can't give him what he needed. 931 00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:13.559 You know, I'm going to do anything that I can, 932 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:18.000 And I guess that made me feel that I was 933 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.039 I was doing something good. But then who did that 934 00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:28.239 to this kid? Did we do that to this kid accidentally. 935 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:29.760 Right in an air strike or something. 936 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:38.760 Right, because we may have done that to not that kid, 937 00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:43.920 but somebody else. Sure when we're we were in uh, 938 00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:48.840 we were in a tick and we're getting after it. 939 00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:53.000 Everything was everything was going pretty smooth, what I thought, 940 00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:57.679 but he just wasn't ending. We're about nine hours into 941 00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:02.800 this thing. We got some support and so my Bravo 942 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:06.639 is like, man, I got this three twenty, We got 943 00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:11.039 all these grenades, let's go, yep, let's do this. So 944 00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:15.800 we just we're just firing for effect because we're this one, 945 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.159 this one group of houses. These dudes are just all 946 00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:19.800 over the place. 947 00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:21.400 Yeah, ants in the ant hill. 948 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.320 Yeah, so like, you know what, cool, We're gonna do it. 949 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:30.880 So we just start lobbing grenades in there, and we 950 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.280 get a call from let's one thirty specter and it's like, hey, 951 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:36.760 you guys got a dude running around on fire down there. 952 00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:42.599 I found this funny. 953 00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:53.679 At the time, like maniacally evil funny. Yeah, nine hours 954 00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:57.039 into the firefight, you're not thinking totally clearly. 955 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:03.400 But then like fuck, man, you know I feel like 956 00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:09.159 I whenever I was running my gun, I felt like 957 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:14.119 I wanted to I don't know, at least be decent 958 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:21.599 about it, even back then, because I saw what happens 959 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:26.360 with dudes that are really injured and all that pain 960 00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:30.000 and all that that I'm getting to witness as the medic. 961 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:32.519 So I'm like, you know what, I'm I'm not gonna 962 00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:35.000 be that guy, right at least I'm gonna try to 963 00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:39.239 do my work to the fullest extent so that they 964 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:41.039 don't have to because they don't have me on that 965 00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.599 other side, or a guy like me, you know, with 966 00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:48.719 with fentnyl lollipops and pushing ketamine and you know, this 967 00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:50.519 guy's gonna suck for a couple of minutes, but then 968 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.880 I'm gonna take care of him and you know, snow 969 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:57.039 him and he's gonna be okay. Pain wise. They don't 970 00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:57.599 have any of that. 971 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:00.760 So I ought I was a. 972 00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:06.159 Good human, but you know, having that mindset, but then 973 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:08.400 catching Scout on fire and I was like, I don't care, 974 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:14.760 Like that's funny. That came back around years later. 975 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.559 So it wasn't at the time. It felt completely normal 976 00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:18.800 to you. 977 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:23.679 A lot of stuff that we did that looking back, 978 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:28.159 it's like that was not normal, but. 979 00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:32.440 We normalize that, particularly, you know, when you're a special 980 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:35.559 opsky like you deploying over and over and over again, 981 00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:39.159 having those like repeated exposures, like you can't help but 982 00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:41.039 feel like this is normal for you. 983 00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:44.920 You get numb to it. Yeah, you get numb. Like 984 00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:46.719 I said, I tried to add to keep the human 985 00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:50.400 factor involved in it, but there are definitely times where 986 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:52.199 you felt it slip away. 987 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.079 We just we're just. 988 00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.480 Doing work and it doesn't matter, and you have to 989 00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:01.039 just cut that off. No emotion, You can't show emotion 990 00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:06.840 to everything. This was all going to come and catch 991 00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:09.360 up to you some point, But I tell you. 992 00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:10.360 It's not gonna happen today. 993 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:13.960 You know, during this during while we're out here on 994 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:15.840 this mission, none of that's happening. 995 00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:19.800 I don't think. I think very few people even think 996 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.239 that far ahead that you know, what are the long 997 00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:24.119 term repercussion. 998 00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:27.320 I wasn't thinking that at that time either. Yeah, like 999 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.880 I don't think anybody was. Nobody really talked about that. 1000 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:35.199 And when you did have some kind of feelings, emotions, thoughts, 1001 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:39.559 mental health is what we're calling it now, right, nobody 1002 00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:46.440 wanted to talk about that except one guy, and. 1003 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:51.679 It was. 1004 00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:56.400 There was probably a little bit of alcohol that might 1005 00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.679 have gotten you know, moved around into the country that 1006 00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.599 you know what might not have should have been there, 1007 00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:05.679 but it was. And I think that that was a 1008 00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:12.239 major contributing factor. But I did have a teammate. He 1009 00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:16.000 was on the other team, but we were co located 1010 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:26.840 together and was going through some some struggles and I 1011 00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:32.639 I found him with his nine millimeters in his mouth. 1012 00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:47.559 That was a difficult encounter on deployment because oh shit, man, 1013 00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:49.440 I gotta be super gentle with this, because. 1014 00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:52.960 I could say the wrong. 1015 00:58:52.760 --> 00:59:01.199 Thing or make the wrong move or whatever. And for fortunately, uh, 1016 00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:04.320 I don't know a good two hours. You know, we 1017 00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:06.320 talked earlier about you know, talk therapy, and you can 1018 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.280 go to a view, but if you talk to somebody 1019 00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:13.639 that's you know, you're you're have done similar things right, 1020 00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.639 you can probably get the point across a lot better 1021 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:18.639 and things can you know, a brotherhood type of thing 1022 00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.400 that you can work out instead of talking to somebody 1023 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:25.320 that graduated a psychology degree and has never been in 1024 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.320 the military there might not shed the same insight. So 1025 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:32.480 I was able to work with him enough to get 1026 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:35.239 the gun out of his mouth, and two hours of talking, 1027 00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:37.960 a lot of hugging, a lot of crying, a lot 1028 00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:42.119 of all kinds of stuff that was very, very unusual 1029 00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:43.519 for a situation like that at all. 1030 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.599 Yeah, unexpected because. 1031 00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:48.119 Guys didn't really want to talk about mental health. You 1032 00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:52.039 just you go, you work, you you do things, and then. 1033 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:56.199 You keep that buried. You you keep it where you know, 1034 00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:57.480 it doesn't doesn't need to come up. 1035 00:59:57.480 --> 00:59:58.400 We don't talk about it. 1036 00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:04.360 We don't. It's just I've heard stories over the years that, like, 1037 01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:08.840 I really feel for some of these teams. In the story, 1038 01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:12.800 it's always some variation of this. You know, my team 1039 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:18.239 sergeant got killed, my team leader got killed. The guys 1040 01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:22.559 are hurting, but the mission continues. These teams are left 1041 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.360 out there on these little fobs to continue the mission, 1042 01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:30.079 and stuff starts disappearing from the med cabinet. And that's 1043 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:32.360 kind of like what brings the whole the whole shit 1044 01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.079 show starts rolling downhill, you know, as the guys come 1045 01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.760 on glued over time and you can see how it happens. 1046 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:43.800 You know, that did happen, Not to me, not to 1047 01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:49.280 my team. I was always very good on the accountability 1048 01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:53.360 of our men's I'm still yet I've pushed a lot academy. 1049 01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:59.719 I've never experienced kedemen a lot of other things, but ketamine. Never. 1050 01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:06.679 Uh so maybe one day. But on another team, we're 1051 01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.079 all going out on undeployment, you know, on several teams, 1052 01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:11.719 all flying out together. This dude shows up. 1053 01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:15.760 He's a medic, and he's just not looking good at all. 1054 01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:21.639 And I can identify when a dude's been using. I 1055 01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:23.400 don't know exactly what it is he's been using, but 1056 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:25.639 I know he's been using and he's got a problem. 1057 01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:30.639 I didn't know the medic very well at all. You know, 1058 01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.079 you guys in the down the hallway, this team's gone, 1059 01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:36.039 this team's gone back and forth. It's like, oh man, 1060 01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:37.559 you're the new guy here, like no, been here for 1061 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:39.519 three years, Like shit, I have never seen you, you know. 1062 01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.599 Uh So it's kind of one of those deals. And 1063 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.920 I could tell that I was saying, you know what, 1064 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:48.920 this is actually good that he's going on this deployment 1065 01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:51.239 because whatever he was doing, he needs to get away 1066 01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:58.559 from that. Now I've got no oversight of the dude 1067 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:02.679 because they go on wherever the area that they're going 1068 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:03.480 to and. 1069 01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:05.719 Out. 1070 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:14.639 He got into his medbox. So he went home, which 1071 01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:18.880 also is not the answer, because when he got home 1072 01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:20.840 he oded on heroin. 1073 01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:22.480 And died. Jeez. 1074 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:31.280 So it's a slippery slope whether you know, I don't 1075 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:33.880 know the underlying circumstances, whether the guy just likes to 1076 01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:36.599 get high, or whether it was a trauma related issue 1077 01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:40.199 that he'd been experiencing through you know, previous deployments that 1078 01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:42.880 he's not been able to deal with them, throw away 1079 01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:46.360 his Special Forces career and then to start injecting heroin. Yeah, 1080 01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:49.639 there's got to be some underlying issues. Definitely a situation 1081 01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:54.559 going on. But he's not the only case. You know, 1082 01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:58.480 for so many more, not just with heroin, but with 1083 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:00.239 one all types of drugs. 1084 01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:05.840 Opiates, well, heroines and opiate but yeah, other opiates, yeah, 1085 01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.840 and other drugs. All. 1086 01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:12.719 I was not an exception to that rule. 1087 01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:18.239 So, and what's that when you came back from some 1088 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:20.480 of these trips that you're kind of like self medicating. 1089 01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:27.920 Yeah, it was so during that time it was alcohol. 1090 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:35.039 As we talked about, alcohol is socially acceptable, especially in 1091 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:41.400 the army. Man, everybody's drinking in the in. 1092 01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:42.159 The Army and. 1093 01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:46.920 Team parties. You know, alcohol is always a staple. It's 1094 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:52.480 kind of the almost a focal point. So you get 1095 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:56.360 used to that just being the way that things are 1096 01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:57.480 and that's just life. 1097 01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:02.159 What we know but we don't. 1098 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:07.719 Really practice, is the fact that we have to understand 1099 01:04:07.719 --> 01:04:13.280 that that is a depressant that will lower get all 1100 01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:17.679 hippie woo woo now, but that lowers our vibration. Lowering 1101 01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:23.599 that vibration allow some negative energy to come in. Now, 1102 01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:25.639 when you got and you spend your life doing some 1103 01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:30.159 negative energy filled stuff like going on raids and hits 1104 01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:35.400 and you know, unliving people where there's being being in 1105 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:38.880 that environment where that's a thing like, some negative spirits 1106 01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:40.719 are going to attach to you. Because now what's happening 1107 01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:43.119 at home when you're out doing this. Now, for all guys, 1108 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:46.760 some guys have amazing you know, support systems back at home. 1109 01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:50.000 Some guys don't. They come back the supports systems gone, right. 1110 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:52.039 This leads to a lot of divorce. This leads to 1111 01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:54.159 a lot of you know problems. Now guys don't have 1112 01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:57.320 their kids because of these divorced So now they're dealing 1113 01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:02.199 with all this compound interest of guard bitch, right of trauma, 1114 01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:05.960 not just from what they did in you know, pesh Merga, 1115 01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.000 but what happened when they were gone and what they're 1116 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:13.719 dealing with now they're getting home, and so you turn alcohol. 1117 01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.320 Turn alcohol, you lower your vibrations, you allow some negative 1118 01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:21.039 energy to get into you, and then guys will black 1119 01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:24.880 out right, they'll do stuff, say stuff. The next day 1120 01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:28.920 they're like remember saying this, No, I don't. Yeah, some 1121 01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:30.880 kind of dark spirit was in You take an over 1122 01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.440 man and live in your body. And we do that. 1123 01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:42.119 We do that for years, and that one thing leads 1124 01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:45.119 to another. You start with the alcohol, you move on 1125 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:48.360 to something else, some other kind of drugs, whatever those 1126 01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:52.400 may be. Prescription pills. Tramadol was a big one that 1127 01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:56.440 guys really liked because that was an opioid and pain medication. 1128 01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:59.599 Just pop that pills like a really good looking approx 1129 01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:04.119 uh that takes the pain away. But then you become 1130 01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:07.119 addicted to that, like you just need that to just 1131 01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:10.440 keep on the function. And that's the same with most 1132 01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:13.320 all of those types of opioids. 1133 01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:15.480 And also the guys. You know again, I can feel 1134 01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:19.400 like sympathetic for it. As a guy goes through their career, 1135 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:22.239 starts racking up injuries, like there's a toll on the 1136 01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:26.480 body as well, not just the mind. And some of 1137 01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.920 these guys start using steroids because they want to stay 1138 01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:31.639 on their team. They want to stay on the game. 1139 01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:34.199 They worked very hard to get to that position. They 1140 01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:37.239 don't want to leave because their vertebrae are fucked up. 1141 01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:39.119 Or when they got injured, so they need to get 1142 01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:39.679 something to. 1143 01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:42.960 Help them get right right, and things just continue to 1144 01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:43.719 kind of spiral. 1145 01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:49.800 It does, and then it happened to me. They go 1146 01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:57.360 into these like subcultures, and motorcycle brought me into a 1147 01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:00.000 whole new subculture, as it did with a lot of guys. 1148 01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:01.280 When did that begin? 1149 01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:04.880 And I got my first bike when I was eight. 1150 01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:11.920 I've always been riding, and I've had Harley's for twenty years. 1151 01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:14.519 And everybody knows about all these you know, high and 1152 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.840 one percent clubs, you know there, They got movies about 1153 01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:23.400 them and TV shows and documentaries, Hell's Angels, Outlaws from Hagan's, 1154 01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:33.480 and those helped kind of spawn other clubs that a 1155 01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:37.320 lot of veterans are involved in. And you go around 1156 01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:41.440 to these military bases, there are a few other kind 1157 01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:47.639 of big clubs that will also feed into those big 1158 01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:52.280 one percenter clubs. Now, a one percenter club is going 1159 01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:56.159 to run the whole like whatever territory. So if your 1160 01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:59.400 club is in that territory, you answer to them. 1161 01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:04.400 Yeah, if you want to wear the you gotta be 1162 01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:08.360 subservient to whoever the big daddy is in that region. 1163 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:17.520 And there are military veterans active and retired that will prospect. 1164 01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:23.199 They will go through six months a year, sometimes longer 1165 01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:27.600 depending on the club, to earn that three piece patch 1166 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:30.079 to go ride their motorcycle along with a bunch of 1167 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:35.319 other dudes wearing that patch. Yeah, it's not quite Sons 1168 01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:40.319 of Anarchy, but it sometimes it's not too far off 1169 01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:43.119 from that. Depends on how deep some of these guys can. 1170 01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:49.319 Military organizations are involved in some of that, which then 1171 01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:56.520 spawns into a lot more alcohol use, drug use, which 1172 01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:05.039 in the micro community they like speed, those dudes like methan, phatamines, cocaine. 1173 01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:08.000 Not to saying all the veterans organizations that ride motorcycles 1174 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.640 are doing that. What I'm saying is that you get 1175 01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:14.880 you might get some exposure, a lot more exposure when 1176 01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:17.840 you're around that type of culture than you would just 1177 01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:19.640 being in the military. 1178 01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:21.079 Uh. 1179 01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:25.000 And a lot of guys do get get exposed to 1180 01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:27.520 that and then end up going down some of those. 1181 01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:30.399 Routes and the MC's I've been told, like really love 1182 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:34.479 these guys because you've been trained to use weapons, explosives, 1183 01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:37.880 you have all kinds of like counter surveillance training, you 1184 01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:40.399 know how to like spot undercover cops and that kind 1185 01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:44.159 of stuff. So like military or do you think military 1186 01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:47.119 guys are like specifically sought after by some of these 1187 01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:50.159 motorcycle clubs. They're looked into. 1188 01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:53.159 And another one of the reasons is because they're also 1189 01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:57.880 easily or more easy to be vetted. An example is 1190 01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:03.880 if you're in one of these one percenter clubs, you're 1191 01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:10.520 not gonna come from a law enforcement background. That's you 1192 01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:13.359 have to hang around these clubs just as like a 1193 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:16.119 random dude a friend. It starts to get to know 1194 01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:19.680 these guys that might last for a year two years, well. 1195 01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:21.680 They call them like hang arounds or something around. 1196 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:25.960 Yeah, and then from there they might ask you, you know, 1197 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.600 if you wanted to step up and participate more. 1198 01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:31.520 They might allow you to then be. 1199 01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:34.680 Become a prospect or probate, and you might do that 1200 01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:37.840 for a year two years before you can become a 1201 01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:40.479 full patch member. That's a whole vetting process. They're vetting you, 1202 01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:41.960 you're vetting them. 1203 01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:43.039 And. 1204 01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:47.199 Yeah, they're not gonna if you're a military at least 1205 01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:49.720 you're they know a lot more about you. You you 1206 01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:54.520 come in qualified, you come in with not just that 1207 01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:57.760 background knowledge, but also it's easy to know that you're 1208 01:10:57.760 --> 01:10:58.439 not a cop. 1209 01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:01.399 Right yeah, yeah, the police aren't going to put you 1210 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:04.119 in the military, so you can infiltrate a biker gang, 1211 01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:06.600 right yeah. 1212 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:09.520 And there was some guys that did go towards the 1213 01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:17.760 one percent route from the military, in the Outlaws and 1214 01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:21.039 in that was Angels. 1215 01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:25.039 After some of those trips with nine to five, I mean, 1216 01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:27.920 were you still in fifth group after that or were 1217 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:31.880 you moving on to Swick? Then I went over to Swick, Okay, yeah, 1218 01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:35.560 I went to the Delta committee, gotcha. So what was 1219 01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:38.159 it like becoming an eighteen Delta instructor? 1220 01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:42.840 I don't know, man, it's pretty cool job, I guess, 1221 01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.960 because you know, the first time you go through the 1222 01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:50.119 medic course as a student, you're just trying to survive. 1223 01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:53.239 Yeah, looking through paper tube forget it. 1224 01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:58.399 You're you were taking thirty maybe right, you learned something 1225 01:11:58.439 --> 01:11:59.640 and you dump it because there's so. 1226 01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:02.000 Much more You've got to learn this next week, and 1227 01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:02.760 then it's just. 1228 01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:05.000 Over and over and over again. I want you get 1229 01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:07.880 out to the later phases of the course. The trauma phases, 1230 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:13.760 the hands on actually doing you know, life saving skills 1231 01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:21.039 on on people, and also on we were using Cape 1232 01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:25.840 Rine's goats. Those are the types of skills that stick 1233 01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:29.119 with you, and you know those are That's a lot 1234 01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:31.600 of fun to me, not working on the goats. 1235 01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:33.720 I don't like that. I don't know. 1236 01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:37.239 I like animals, I don't like people. I didn't It 1237 01:12:37.279 --> 01:12:38.159 wasn't my favorite part. 1238 01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:41.000 I think every eighteen delta student hates goats by the 1239 01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:42.279 time they get out of that course. 1240 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:44.319 If you try to feed it, Tommy and I'm gonna 1241 01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:44.680 throw up. 1242 01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:46.359 I can't stand the smell. 1243 01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:50.960 It's just that I don't know PTSD and my old 1244 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:55.159 factory nerve is gonna That was awesome, But to answer 1245 01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:59.279 your question, it actually started to get watered down during 1246 01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:04.119 my second half of the tenure. The reason being is 1247 01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:08.359 because there's a standard with everything across the board, whether 1248 01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:12.279 that was Ranger School, whether and you know whatever. 1249 01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:14.119 We can have that conversation. 1250 01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:17.800 About what actually happened, you know, did the standards change 1251 01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:22.039 or things just get looked at differently. We were getting 1252 01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:27.039 looked at differently. A guy, I'll give you an example. 1253 01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:33.920 A guy came through the course that his faith was Muslim, 1254 01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:41.439 and he was fasting, and we had a ubr our 1255 01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:46.239 upper body round robina, so I'm not familiar with that. 1256 01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:51.159 You have to do like bench press, it's like your 1257 01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:55.319 body weight or eighty percent of your body weight. How 1258 01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:57.319 many times can you do it? You gotta do like 1259 01:13:57.319 --> 01:13:59.720 a minimum of like four or five. It's super low 1260 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:03.439 stand You have to be able to do like three 1261 01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:07.199 pull ups. You have to be able to like hang 1262 01:14:07.239 --> 01:14:10.159 from the bar and then put your ankles up above 1263 01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:13.680 your head and do like four of those, like to 1264 01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:15.159 get a basic score, you know. 1265 01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:17.560 And then of course guys are getting like twenty five. 1266 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:19.600 And then you go to the dip barn. You gotta 1267 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:22.279 get like eight dips. Dudes knock out forty or whatever. 1268 01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:25.520 We had this guy, he was Muslim, he's fasting, and 1269 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:29.479 he couldn't even get the bare minimum of any of them. 1270 01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:31.239 And then it ends with the five mall run in 1271 01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:37.079 forty minutes. He failed every single event. Not only that, 1272 01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:41.239 he failed the PT test that was given like two 1273 01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:47.079 weeks after that, he failed like three written tests. He 1274 01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:50.079 failed like two or three of the hands on versions, 1275 01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:52.399 and it was, hey. 1276 01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:54.119 You gotta recycle this guy. You got to give him 1277 01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:55.319 another chance. You got to give him. 1278 01:14:55.199 --> 01:15:00.399 Another chance, because now we started shifting over to being 1279 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.119 a little bit more I don't know if you want 1280 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:06.239 to use the word woke, but things were changing. 1281 01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:11.000 I mean, this might be a little controversial, but it's 1282 01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:13.439 been said that when there are people going through the 1283 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:17.119 Q course who have unique language abilities, that they get 1284 01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:20.399 pushed through no matter how poorly they do some of 1285 01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:20.920 the tests. 1286 01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:23.239 Yeah, then you know what, maybe that was a portion 1287 01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:26.000 of it, and I would have said, you know, I 1288 01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:28.800 one hundred percent agree, But then it didn't stop there. 1289 01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:33.760 That was just the catalyst to then every other dude 1290 01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:37.760 that couldn't make it and it's dangerous was oh no, 1291 01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:42.319 we're getting another chance, another shot, give this guy another opportunity. 1292 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:45.479 And that just became the norm almost to be like, 1293 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:50.319 you can't fail a guy. So so what did that 1294 01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:52.039 look like when we were getting briefed by this two 1295 01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:54.560 star that comes out and he said, look, you guys 1296 01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:56.479 are green brace A small group of was me and 1297 01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:59.680 maybe four or five other cadre and he had a 1298 01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:02.479 captain audience. There we are, and he's like, you're here 1299 01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:06.319 to train these guys because as a Green Beret you 1300 01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:08.680 go overseas and then their target language. You're going to 1301 01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:13.720 train them to be just like you. And you're telling 1302 01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:16.159 me you can't do that with Americans that are motivated 1303 01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:20.520 that want to do this so well, I mean, no, 1304 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:22.960 you got a point. But of course there's definitely two 1305 01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:27.159 different standards of training. I'm not going to create an 1306 01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:29.920 American Army green beret right with an Afghan. 1307 01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:30.479 National Army guy. 1308 01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:33.800 But that's you know, it's not gonna happen. But that 1309 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:36.760 was kind of the message that was floated to all 1310 01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:41.399 of Swick for a period of time and the Delta course. 1311 01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:45.359 You know, medicine it's not for everybody. Just because you 1312 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:47.720 are not a good medic doesn't mean you can't go 1313 01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:52.199 be a Charlie Echo Bravo, Like, there's other opportunities for you, 1314 01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:54.840 but maybe medicine is not going to be it. If 1315 01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:57.680 I don't want you working on my family, you know, 1316 01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:00.560 I like, if you come to my house like you're 1317 01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:02.600 the guy, I'm like, fuck, I don't want that. If 1318 01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:04.800 you're looking a little iffy on the go, then maybe yeah, 1319 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:07.439 then I'm like, I'm I'm not going to pass you right, 1320 01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:11.239 Like there's a standard, you know, I could be pretty lenient. 1321 01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:13.520 I know, we you know, we need some guys out there. 1322 01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:16.439 We're not producing these you know, mass producing soft because 1323 01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:17.119 we're not supposed to. 1324 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:23.239 But it did get a lot more lenient. And you know, 1325 01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:29.399 I can't say that that was like the worst thing, 1326 01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:32.720 because I feel like we learned from it. Uh, A 1327 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:36.600 lot of folks got slipped through the cracks, and I 1328 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:40.159 think now things are changing. I mean, we could see 1329 01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:42.960 a lot of changes that are being made with this administration, 1330 01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:49.800 specifically speaking on the ideology of military training and what 1331 01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:53.319 our standard regulations are for the troops. 1332 01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:56.239 I think that's gotten a lot better. What was kind 1333 01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:58.840 of like your perception of like why this was happening. 1334 01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:05.319 I mean, I like when that general came and told 1335 01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:07.720 you that, like did he really have like an ideological 1336 01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:11.319 belief or was this more like like a mandate from 1337 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:14.399 d OD that like you need to produce more green berets. 1338 01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:17.000 I mean, I don't know what the what the deal was. 1339 01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:21.520 But yeah, what's being fed at the Pentagon and what 1340 01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:23.680 we're getting fed is probably two different messages. 1341 01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:24.640 Yeah, I'm sure. 1342 01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:28.359 Most likely it is the we're going to violate the 1343 01:18:28.479 --> 01:18:31.039 rule that says, you know, soft is not going to 1344 01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:34.640 be mass produced. I think that one kind of they 1345 01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:39.239 wanted to put that one out the window. And the 1346 01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:43.279 other part of it was that I don't know who knows, 1347 01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:47.159 maybe oere bullet that they they came with science, and 1348 01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:51.760 I say the oe Are bullet because somebody for their 1349 01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:53.399 oe are bullet. 1350 01:18:53.800 --> 01:18:57.319 We should explain to people. An officer evaluation report is 1351 01:18:57.359 --> 01:18:59.520 how military officers are evaluated. 1352 01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:03.199 They're going to get promoted based on how well it's 1353 01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:05.239 like their you know, their annual. 1354 01:19:06.399 --> 01:19:06.800 Review. 1355 01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:09.720 You know, you get your annual review, and there's this 1356 01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:12.640 their officer evaluation is their annual review. What did you 1357 01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:16.119 do over this last year? Did you increase safety by 1358 01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:21.239 twenty two percent? Did you, you know, increase the readiness 1359 01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:26.319 of this organization by thirty eight percent? And everything's got 1360 01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:29.680 to have a quantitative value. Uh And if so, if 1361 01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:32.319 you look better than your peers, then you're going to 1362 01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:35.960 get that next promotion. And those promotions end up into 1363 01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:41.159 political promotions at a point. Sure, you know after around 1364 01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:45.640 four oh five, now it's all political. But with that, 1365 01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:52.439 somebody fed them all this science that their so the 1366 01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:56.720 science said that if they make it through the selection phase, 1367 01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:01.800 then they are going to move forward. But this is 1368 01:20:01.880 --> 01:20:06.000 the training portion of this. They've already been selected, right, 1369 01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:10.000 this is the training portion. Now I can say that, 1370 01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:14.239 you know what if they don't want to get rid 1371 01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:16.520 of them, you know, out of the eighteen delta course, Like, 1372 01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:18.960 that's a big problem because the medic piece of that 1373 01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:23.520 is you we're training these dudes to be the amateur 1374 01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:27.840 t move doctors and surgeons out in the field, so 1375 01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:30.640 you really need to have your stuff squared away. But 1376 01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:35.520 this spread to small unit tactics, It's spread into the 1377 01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:40.600 other committees, and it's not just affecting the medics, it's 1378 01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:44.800 affecting everything. Like, these guys get selected, they're now going 1379 01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:48.000 to get trained. So you go from you know, selection 1380 01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:51.359 is you throw the numbers around thirty percent, maybe pass rate. 1381 01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:53.960 You know, let's just say thirty percent. You go to 1382 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:57.640 the Q course, it's like it's fifty fifty sixty percent. 1383 01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:00.800 They want that. Like now these guys. 1384 01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:02.760 Are like ninety ninety five percent. You're going to push 1385 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:08.199 these cats through. Oh we are mass produced soft. I 1386 01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:09.640 don't know, pick your poison. 1387 01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:12.239 But by the time I wasn't a fan of it, 1388 01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:14.359 because you know, I made it, so I got mine. 1389 01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:16.199 So now I need to be this tab protector. 1390 01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:18.600 How uh yeah, I was gonna ask, you know, you 1391 01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:22.000 became the NCOI C of the Delta Course out there, 1392 01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:24.640 how did you kind of deal with this situation? 1393 01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:31.359 So that place is a well, it's a museum for one. 1394 01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:37.079 By that, I mean we got politicians, every oh fro star, 1395 01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:44.279 everybody that's gonna have anything, congress, whatever. These folks are 1396 01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:47.359 all gonna come to the Delta Course, right, So it's 1397 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:51.439 a dog and pony show. Maybe not every week, but 1398 01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:52.000 at least. 1399 01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:52.680 Three times a month. 1400 01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:56.960 We're gonna have distinguished guests and visitors. So we've got 1401 01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:02.039 TVs up there playing our our video on. We've got 1402 01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:06.800 a band an instructor damn near that stands outside of 1403 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.760 each section of the classrooms with like a banner hanging 1404 01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:12.680 up of his section and what he's doing to give 1405 01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:15.880 his two minute brief as I walk them all down 1406 01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:21.479 through each in every phase. Because the first six months 1407 01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:26.000 five six months, you're in classrooms and you're knocking out 1408 01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:32.239 like just physician level anatomy and physiology, just really getting into. 1409 01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:35.840 The weeds with diseases. And it is. 1410 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:38.600 The second half of the course when things get what 1411 01:22:38.680 --> 01:22:41.800 students would consider a lot more interesting. That's when you're 1412 01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:46.359 working with you're working with moulaws, you're working with trauma, 1413 01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:50.159 you're working with mannequins a lot of it, and then 1414 01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:53.560 you're working with live tissue. So you're outside doing a 1415 01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:56.279 lot of work and you know, wearing your kit and 1416 01:22:56.279 --> 01:22:59.239 doing medicine that way, and you know, sweating and beat 1417 01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:02.760 out there twelve hours just doing all these repetitions over 1418 01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:04.880 and over and over again. So guys really get a 1419 01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:05.439 lot out of that. 1420 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:09.319 But then the very last. 1421 01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:14.520 Phase, the third phase of trauma three, that was that 1422 01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:17.880 was my favorite. That was the that was my baby, 1423 01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:21.560 if you will. Like I said, when I was a student, 1424 01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:24.239 we really didn't have a final training exercise. It was 1425 01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:27.760 kind of really watered down. It wasn't I didn't feel 1426 01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:30.079 like I got anything out of it. Hell, I didn't 1427 01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:31.960 even really wasn't even sure, like are we doing this 1428 01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:33.840 right now? I was like, are we in the FTX? 1429 01:23:33.880 --> 01:23:36.520 And all of a sudden it's done like ten minutes later, 1430 01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:40.640 So like, man, this seems to change. So we built 1431 01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:43.840 a really good FTX. Three days, seventy two hours straight, 1432 01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:47.800 no sleep, just go. We had a day crew of 1433 01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:51.119 night crew of cadre twelve hour shifts and just punishing 1434 01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:56.319 these guys and still failing them. You get to the 1435 01:23:56.399 --> 01:24:01.600 last thing, the FTX, and a guy doesn't do the job, 1436 01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:09.760 he fails. You know, well that one didn't fly. We 1437 01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:11.720 got away with about six months. But after a while 1438 01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:15.079 they're like, no more failing at the FTX, all right. 1439 01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:18.079 So we built a one hundred acre compound. Like the 1440 01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:20.479 contract was in order as I was showing up to 1441 01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:24.640 be a cadre out there, and so we got the 1442 01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:27.199 contract to go build this like one hundred acre type 1443 01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:32.720 of I could build villages, classrooms. I put Black Hall 1444 01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:38.399 helicopter frames out there, some tank stuff, and there's a river, 1445 01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:43.720 built little warehouses and really a great training area so 1446 01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:44.680 that guys can do drama. 1447 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:45.159 Medicine. 1448 01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:47.920 We work with paintball guns, so we did have a 1449 01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:50.399 little bit of kind of you know, love fire stuff 1450 01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:54.319 while you're doing medicine, and you know, we have pneumatic 1451 01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:57.079 machine guns with a lot of smoke. Really try to 1452 01:24:57.119 --> 01:25:00.560 generate a good type of experience where you're doing a 1453 01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:01.640 lot of care underfire. 1454 01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:05.479 So it was a month long program. 1455 01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:07.560 Out there and followed by that seventy two hour FTX 1456 01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:14.800 and it was it was great. It was super fun 1457 01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:18.199 and and guys just they loved it because you're really 1458 01:25:18.199 --> 01:25:20.640 out there just playing army, do the job. And we 1459 01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:21.439 had side. 1460 01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:23.880 By sides, and you guys are out there just screaming 1461 01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:27.319 around on these things and and loading casualties in them 1462 01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:29.920 and practicing in the back of humbs while we're driving 1463 01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:31.119 around and doing medicine. 1464 01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:33.359 So guys got so much out of this at the end. 1465 01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:36.960 So I was like for the instructors, like, man, we 1466 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:39.840 need to build you guys like a logo, a team shirt. 1467 01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:44.680 We have a team shirt for this place. It was yeah, logo, 1468 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:49.000 team shirt. I sit around and I'm building one. I'm 1469 01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:52.640 not a graphic art kind of guy. I can't draw 1470 01:25:52.640 --> 01:25:56.439 a stick figure and I think I'm using power Point 1471 01:25:56.800 --> 01:26:00.000 is how I was assembling this thing. And I've built 1472 01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:02.279 this logo. It was a skull, because everything's gonna have 1473 01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:02.720 a skull. 1474 01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:04.199 Hell yeah, come on. 1475 01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:08.239 We had a Navy, We had seals, and we had 1476 01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:13.159 SIDC Special Operations, Independent Duty Gorman, we have boat guys, gotcha, 1477 01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:17.880 And so the skull has got to have a paddle 1478 01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:21.800 that runs through it, and then green bray. We gotta 1479 01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:24.199 have cross arrows. Okay, we're gonna take one of those 1480 01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:27.119 arrows out and put a tri dent because we got seals. Man, 1481 01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:33.000 it's all coming together. And then we got a let's 1482 01:26:33.079 --> 01:26:35.720 trauma three because they're the ones building this logo, so 1483 01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:37.960 we'll put a row numeral three on the skull. And 1484 01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:41.399 there was thirteen active duty instructors that were teaching this course, 1485 01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:46.079 so everybody gets a star. So this thirteen stars wrapped 1486 01:26:46.079 --> 01:26:49.800 around this row ma numeral three, which I guess mirrored 1487 01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:56.279 some other type of logo not intended at the time. 1488 01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:56.239 But. 1489 01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:02.520 That became a kind of viral at the school. Shirts, hoodies, hats, 1490 01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:07.279 water bottles, all kinds of stuff for team fund was 1491 01:27:07.359 --> 01:27:12.840 running rampant, It was doing fantastic. There was even an 1492 01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:14.279 online store setup for this. 1493 01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:17.640 And then it became a little controversial. 1494 01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:22.840 Did become a little controversial, So then we'll fast forward, 1495 01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:26.199 I don't know seven eight years January sixth. 1496 01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:27.800 Happened. 1497 01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:36.760 Apparently a similar logo I don't think it was exactly 1498 01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:40.840 this one, but I don't know was seen in that 1499 01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:46.840 area ended up turning into a safety stand down for 1500 01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:52.079 that schoolhouse, and it ended up on the internet and websites. 1501 01:27:52.159 --> 01:27:57.399 Special operations school uses extremist logo and they had it 1502 01:27:57.439 --> 01:28:03.640 so wrong, they had it incredibly wrong. But nonetheless, there 1503 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:05.399 we go. That logo became famous. 1504 01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:09.479 But a swick that shut you guys down. Yeah, yeah, 1505 01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:12.039 did it have to be redesigned or what happened with that? 1506 01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:14.359 It just got? It got. 1507 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:16.359 You can't use it at all. 1508 01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:22.119 It was. It's gone or is it? Because it's still 1509 01:28:22.159 --> 01:28:22.680 out there. 1510 01:28:24.640 --> 01:28:28.239 Yeah, they fought back, Actually, the guys at the school 1511 01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:32.319 else fought back and they they've kind of kept it 1512 01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:37.159 in a lot of areas off that grid, but it 1513 01:28:37.319 --> 01:28:38.239 still thrives. 1514 01:28:38.680 --> 01:28:41.960 Yeah, they're wearing it on their T shirts underneath their 1515 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:45.439 it is Acus or whatever the hell they have. Now. 1516 01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:47.680 The fun thing about it is my son used to 1517 01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:50.720 wear that. You know, as a kid growing up, he 1518 01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:54.239 had the water bottle, you know, a hat. He didn't 1519 01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:57.479 really know much about what it was. Uh, you know, 1520 01:28:57.520 --> 01:28:59.520 it's like kind of the the cool logo for the 1521 01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:03.199 Special Rations Combat Metic School. So he grows up and 1522 01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:09.880 goes to be an Army ranger and goes to that school. 1523 01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:14.560 And yeah, I got to show up during the FTX 1524 01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:19.920 and run that lane. That was probably one of my 1525 01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:23.239 more proudest moments that I had was being able to 1526 01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:26.720 because you know, you go through something, you know, like 1527 01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:28.640 that school anything, you have a. 1528 01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:32.039 Little bit of home field advantage here too. Having built 1529 01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:35.079 the course. I think a lot of people gave him 1530 01:29:35.119 --> 01:29:36.600 shit going through that course. 1531 01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:39.960 He passed everything on his own. I had no influence 1532 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:42.079 on not that I could. I mean that that's like 1533 01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:46.520 either doing it or not. And everybody's there witnessing, so uh, 1534 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:50.000 you know, I couldn't persuade anybody on anything if I 1535 01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:53.960 wanted to. But uh, you know, you go through any 1536 01:29:54.520 --> 01:29:58.039 kind of you know, the the eighteen Delta course, going 1537 01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:00.159 through the Q course. You know Navy seals go going 1538 01:30:00.199 --> 01:30:03.800 through buds, whatever those things are. That's a significant time. 1539 01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:07.479 That's a significant event to be able to have your son, 1540 01:30:08.119 --> 01:30:10.680 you know, go through It's pretty that same thing walking 1541 01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:16.960 down those same halls and doing everything that you got 1542 01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:20.560 to do. You know that is that's cool. 1543 01:30:22.079 --> 01:30:25.640 And after your swift time, you went on to be 1544 01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:26.560 a team sergeant. 1545 01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:30.800 So I went back to uh, I went back to 1546 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:36.720 group and immediately deployed again. We went back to. 1547 01:30:38.199 --> 01:30:39.000 That time. 1548 01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:43.840 I went to Ghost which was also in Lebanon. Oh 1549 01:30:43.880 --> 01:30:46.760 no kidding, okay, yeah, I lived there or was a 1550 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:48.840 year and a half. No ship off and on, just 1551 01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:52.720 so that your team was really going back and forth. 1552 01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:56.439 You love that in Syria. Oh you did Syria too, 1553 01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:01.079 What was your impression of Syria? That's a ship hole. 1554 01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:09.439 Yeah, that was a short stint of just training some 1555 01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:17.279 dudes that that was kind of it was anti climactic. 1556 01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:20.479 Mm hmm. Yeah, you guys weren't like on the front line. 1557 01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:24.000 Now, we really didn't get to do anything cool. You know, 1558 01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:28.640 what we consider cool. What we consider cool is what 1559 01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:32.199 you know, when you're call of duty, you know, like 1560 01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:36.159 when we're living that that's cool, right, And when you're 1561 01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:40.279 just out there doing day to day jay sat stuff essentially, yeah, 1562 01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:45.760 right right, that's not cool. So yeah, I went and 1563 01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:48.880 did did some more training out there in uh in 1564 01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:55.479 ghost stuff. And yeah, I did another five or six 1565 01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:58.840 months out there, and and I was offered, hey, you 1566 01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:02.359 want to be a teams aren't in Syria on another rotation. 1567 01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:06.960 I'm at twenty two years at this point, like the 1568 01:32:07.039 --> 01:32:13.920 war at this point is twenty nineteen. It's all done. Yeah, 1569 01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:17.680 starting to feel it, you know. I had a couple 1570 01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:26.359 of hard landings ate a charge had. 1571 01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:29.319 Had some other. 1572 01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:34.439 Underlying factors of some explosions that I won't really get 1573 01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:41.279 into that. I got some hardware in the Leg four, 1574 01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:48.520 but the my body was just not really cooperating, you know, 1575 01:32:48.560 --> 01:32:51.439 because at this point I'm in my early forties and 1576 01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:55.560 any guys on there are just still studs. Yeah, I 1577 01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:58.199 can hold my own, but I'm like, I think it's 1578 01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:03.199 about that time because I thought that I was mentally ready. 1579 01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:18.039 Yeah I wasn't, and all those years like eventually just 1580 01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:26.039 all hit me at once and during the transition that 1581 01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:32.279 was the That was a challenging time, but it was 1582 01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:36.119 one like, oh, I'm already committed to my XVIIL. 1583 01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:44.560 So what was your plan when you got out? Yeah, 1584 01:33:44.720 --> 01:33:49.600 there wasn't one. Everybody says, have a plan, and uh, 1585 01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:55.680 you know the plan. The plan for a lot of 1586 01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:56.800 guys that don't have a plan. 1587 01:33:56.760 --> 01:34:02.359 Is go contract. Yeah, because well that's still there. They're 1588 01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:07.960 still paying good money. So yeah, it turns out that 1589 01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:12.920 that also started to dry up, and all that money 1590 01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:15.840 started to kind of not be the big money that 1591 01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:20.159 it was, and it became like, well, I don't think 1592 01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:24.600 it's worth it to go over there anymore and and 1593 01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:28.560 do this for what you guys are offering, So it's 1594 01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:33.520 time to change that plan. Riding motorcycles a lot. 1595 01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:36.960 Yeah, you were telling me that kind of like to 1596 01:34:37.039 --> 01:34:40.920 keep that kind of adrenaline level. Yeah, and it's starting 1597 01:34:40.920 --> 01:34:43.920 to get a little out of control. Yeah. 1598 01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:47.399 I was riding with one of those with a club that. 1599 01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:51.399 The FBI would be interested in. 1600 01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:58.239 They would be they would be Yeah in Tennessee. 1601 01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:06.560 Uh, they all that area. And I was very tight 1602 01:35:07.279 --> 01:35:12.159 with one of the members that. 1603 01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:17.439 Was he was an enforcer in the region for them, 1604 01:35:18.319 --> 01:35:27.119 And that's where I started finding some adrenaline, feeling like I. 1605 01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:30.640 Had something to do, like I had a team again, 1606 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:37.880 isn't It wasn't. The Hell's Angels started by World War 1607 01:35:37.920 --> 01:35:42.039 Two veterans mostly fun fact and interesting like connection there 1608 01:35:42.119 --> 01:35:42.560 isn't there. 1609 01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:46.520 So the the Hell's Angels, the Outlaws, peg As among 1610 01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:49.319 there's a bunch of there's four or big ones, but 1611 01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:54.239 there are one percenter club. So after World War Two, 1612 01:35:54.920 --> 01:35:57.239 a bunch of dudes, because you know that Allies sent 1613 01:35:57.279 --> 01:36:01.119 a lot of Harley Davidson's over and so guys were 1614 01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:04.159 riding those and know that was something that you got 1615 01:36:04.199 --> 01:36:09.359 around on. Well, they also got good at fixing them, right. 1616 01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:13.600 So then when the war was over with that, there's 1617 01:36:13.640 --> 01:36:17.720 a surplus of these motorcycles. You can get a relatively 1618 01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:21.279 cheap everybody knows how to work on them, you know, 1619 01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:23.479 throw a gallon of gas in there. 1620 01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:26.920 And off you go. So a lot of guys got 1621 01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:27.359 into that. 1622 01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:29.840 You know, culture is just a way of riding the 1623 01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:34.119 motorcycles around and then what you ride with your buddies. Well, 1624 01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:40.279 a bunch of guys were doing this together, and you 1625 01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:49.760 have in California, Hollister, California, the American Motorcycle Association would 1626 01:36:49.800 --> 01:36:55.000 do this annual event. All these people come from all over, 1627 01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:58.560 you know, ride their motorcycles. It was a week long deal. 1628 01:36:58.600 --> 01:37:00.520 It might be some drag races. 1629 01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:00.840 And stuff like that. 1630 01:37:02.840 --> 01:37:05.479 Well, then you know, if me and you were riding together, 1631 01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:07.600 you know whatever, we're gonna show up. We're gonna wear 1632 01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:11.039 the same jacket, you know, same color looking, We're gonna 1633 01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:14.399 have a uniform. We got to look the same. Everybody 1634 01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:19.680 the same same. Well, there was a bomber squadron called 1635 01:37:19.720 --> 01:37:27.720 Dalla's Angels, so they adopted their bomber squadron name and 1636 01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:32.960 then used that. Now they might not have followed all 1637 01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:37.199 the rules that the American Motorcycle Association had in the 1638 01:37:37.239 --> 01:37:41.039 store for their week long celebration for their bike week 1639 01:37:41.119 --> 01:37:46.439 or whatever. In Hollister, some people didn't care. They're like, yeah, 1640 01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:51.039 fuck your rules whatever. Nine to nine percent of bikers 1641 01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:54.399 are you know, good dudes, follow the rules whatever. There's 1642 01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:56.920 one percent that don't care. And were that one percent 1643 01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:00.840 so they adopted that they were that is a diamond 1644 01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:09.880 patch on their cut and they take this very seriously. 1645 01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:15.840 Now that you've got veterans, motorcycle clubs like motorcycle clubs 1646 01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:21.479 that veterans belong to that when it says MC motorcycle 1647 01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:25.640 club like, they've prospected to get that, which means that 1648 01:38:25.680 --> 01:38:31.920 they've been doing a lot of work for it could 1649 01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:34.640 be four or five months, could be over a year 1650 01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:37.720 to be able to earn the privilege to war that 1651 01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:43.560 entire three piece patch. And those clubs that they belong 1652 01:38:43.640 --> 01:38:49.159 to say most I don't want to lump everything in 1653 01:38:49.239 --> 01:38:52.800 and speaking in absolutes, but are going to belong to 1654 01:38:54.479 --> 01:38:56.920 an area I gots in real estate, and that real 1655 01:38:57.000 --> 01:39:00.760 estate isn't owned by that one percenter club, and that 1656 01:39:01.399 --> 01:39:08.920 comes with responsibilities. Each organization has got different responsibilities to 1657 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:14.680 what that might be. But yeah, but it gives this, 1658 01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:16.560 like I was saying earlier, it gives guys an opportunity 1659 01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:20.119 to get into things that they shouldn't get into, whether 1660 01:39:20.199 --> 01:39:26.039 that's more alcohol, drugs, or being involved in some type 1661 01:39:26.039 --> 01:39:30.760 of you know, organized crime, whatever that might look like. 1662 01:39:31.159 --> 01:39:35.079 And it happens. You mentioned earlier that you know, it's 1663 01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:38.399 a subculture, and it is kind of interesting. I mean, 1664 01:39:38.600 --> 01:39:41.239 Special Forces in of itself is sort of a subculture 1665 01:39:41.239 --> 01:39:45.520 in the military. But then there's this parallel subculture where 1666 01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:48.640 now that you're a different uniform and there's a different 1667 01:39:48.680 --> 01:39:51.760 selection process and you belong to this other thing. 1668 01:39:52.720 --> 01:39:58.239 It gets better. You got Special Forces guys, we already 1669 01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:00.600 said that, you know, we're kind of our own brotherhood. 1670 01:40:00.840 --> 01:40:05.560 You know SF guys, you know they they're belonging to 1671 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:08.800 one club and you got another SF guy belonging to 1672 01:40:08.840 --> 01:40:13.600 this club. Oh yeah, and now there's this this rift 1673 01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:21.079 fistfight riff even worse? Does that carry seeing SF guys whearing? 1674 01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:26.800 Oh that's they got a different color jacket? Jump dudes, 1675 01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:31.199 a SF dudes. Because they're wearing that color jacket. It's like, 1676 01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:36.520 oh your third group, I'm seventh group. I'm you know, 1677 01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:45.600 we're going to fight for what? And does they do that? 1678 01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:48.319 Does that stuff that rift kind of carry into the 1679 01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:52.880 workplace sometimes, Yeah, it does. 1680 01:40:55.000 --> 01:41:01.359 Some of the committees that the qualification course has are 1681 01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:02.399 good examples of this. 1682 01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:04.920 I'm not gonna die any of these out at all. 1683 01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:07.760 I mean in a few cases I know exactly. 1684 01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:13.239 But there's a couple of committees where like, yeah, we 1685 01:41:13.359 --> 01:41:17.880 worked together, and but you're wearing that color and I'm 1686 01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:24.199 wearing this color, and that's a problem. And it bleeds over, 1687 01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:27.079 certainly bleeds over. 1688 01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:31.520 Oh man, that's wild, isn't it. Yeah? It sub subcultures. 1689 01:41:31.960 --> 01:41:33.760 I don't know what's beyond me. And I was involved 1690 01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:36.600 in it for quite a while. 1691 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:39.760 Yeah, I mean, if you're willing to talk about it, 1692 01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:44.680 I mean, how deep did you go? Uh? So? 1693 01:41:47.159 --> 01:41:52.920 I I was in a traditional MC. By that, I 1694 01:41:52.960 --> 01:41:57.079 mean we followed all the protocols for a motorcycle club. 1695 01:41:58.039 --> 01:42:03.399 We held what's called church. It's meetings. It's gonna be 1696 01:42:03.399 --> 01:42:05.840 like a skiff phones outside. We're going to talk about 1697 01:42:05.840 --> 01:42:10.399 some some things. It's very organized, just like an e MC. 1698 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:14.359 There's a structure. You've got officer rankings, president, vice president 1699 01:42:14.479 --> 01:42:19.560 type of thing. You pay dues. You have a clubhouse. 1700 01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:24.039 In that clubhouse, is you know, going to have a bar, 1701 01:42:24.399 --> 01:42:28.600 living room, areas for guys to sleep in. 1702 01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:32.199 So, uh, it's pretty cool. 1703 01:42:32.199 --> 01:42:37.039 It's welping, welcoming, it's inviting two guys that have left 1704 01:42:37.399 --> 01:42:38.119 the team life. 1705 01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:39.600 And it's like, all right. 1706 01:42:39.479 --> 01:42:42.000 Now what a new teamhouse is a whole new teamhouse. 1707 01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:47.000 And whether that's just for our club, it's like that 1708 01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:49.760 for all clubs. It's it's a teamhouse. Whether you're you've 1709 01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:51.720 been a civilian or whatever, and you get involved in 1710 01:42:51.720 --> 01:42:55.720 one of these things, that is what that that does 1711 01:42:55.760 --> 01:43:00.079 provide that for you and guys need that. Guys like 1712 01:43:00.239 --> 01:43:03.680 that and their motorcycle enthusiasts, so it gives them something 1713 01:43:03.720 --> 01:43:09.520 to to go. They rob motorcycles, They plan poker runs, fundraisers, 1714 01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:14.520 different events to keep going. And that's how it all started. 1715 01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:19.520 And then I started getting a little bit deeper into it, 1716 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:23.479 and I started going, uh, because you meet with other 1717 01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:32.800 clubs at events parlays. One club might have a hosting 1718 01:43:32.840 --> 01:43:37.119 an event at their at their house. All the other 1719 01:43:37.119 --> 01:43:42.239 clubs in the area will go there and support this club. 1720 01:43:43.800 --> 01:43:49.399 Now you've got dudes, whether they're range regiments got a club. 1721 01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:56.720 You know, SF's got a club. Just army veterans or 1722 01:43:56.720 --> 01:44:02.000 military veterans in general have a club civilians are all 1723 01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:06.560 mixed in to some of these civilians in general have 1724 01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:08.880 some of their clubs and then these one percenter clubs, 1725 01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:12.000 and you get them all in one area. Just like anything. 1726 01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:16.640 Guys start talking. Now you have to do this sometimes weekly. 1727 01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:21.760 So you're doing this every week on bike night or 1728 01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:26.279 you're going to and a like a local bar. That 1729 01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:28.479 one percenter club is going to say, Hey, this week's 1730 01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:31.079 bike week Bike night is going to be at this 1731 01:44:31.479 --> 01:44:37.680 specific bar, and if you fly your colors in this area, 1732 01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:42.319 you're going to be there. Okay, So they got some 1733 01:44:42.439 --> 01:44:45.319 other random grown man telling us where. 1734 01:44:45.159 --> 01:44:49.119 To be and you're prospecting at this point. Oh even 1735 01:44:49.159 --> 01:44:51.720 when you're a club at that one percenter club says hey, 1736 01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:53.199 your club is and if they tell you to come 1737 01:44:53.239 --> 01:44:55.239 be the dorman all night, like you have to do it. 1738 01:44:55.359 --> 01:44:58.920 Yeah yeah, oh yeah, they don't tell you to do it. 1739 01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:00.800 You just do it. 1740 01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:03.079 It's just kind of like being like the new guy 1741 01:45:03.119 --> 01:45:05.640 on a team, like day one. It's just things that 1742 01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:06.039 you do. 1743 01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:13.640 So then I started with the a one. 1744 01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:16.640 Percenter club in Tennessee, and I was I got in 1745 01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:19.640 pretty deep with those guys. I was at the clubhouse 1746 01:45:19.680 --> 01:45:27.319 a lot until the sun came up a lot. 1747 01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:30.439 Yeah, it ended up on a bike night. 1748 01:45:31.079 --> 01:45:35.600 And so there was this one percenter club that was 1749 01:45:36.319 --> 01:45:39.880 a different one percenter club that was moving into this area. 1750 01:45:42.359 --> 01:45:50.079 Turf war. We can't have that. So riding motorcycles at 1751 01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:52.840 one hundred miles an hour, because that's how you ride 1752 01:45:52.880 --> 01:45:58.920 them when you're in this club, up and down the 1753 01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:01.680 streets looking for these guys, going to these different bars, 1754 01:46:02.199 --> 01:46:04.760 looking for these dudes that are encroaching on your territory. 1755 01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:13.680 Then one specific bike night, I had to, let's just say, 1756 01:46:13.680 --> 01:46:16.319 I had to go out of town for something else, 1757 01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:21.880 so I wasn't I wasn't with them on bike night. 1758 01:46:21.920 --> 01:46:22.920 I was doing something else. 1759 01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:29.399 And the dude that I spent all that time with, 1760 01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:34.720 I lived at that clubhouse for so many times. He's 1761 01:46:35.000 --> 01:46:39.359 stayed in my house so many times. He gets involved 1762 01:46:39.359 --> 01:46:48.279 in a double homicide on the rival arrival, because that's 1763 01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:52.479 what you have to do. That's what's ingrained as you 1764 01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:54.239 wear in that diamond like, that's. 1765 01:46:54.239 --> 01:46:58.479 That's what you do. And now. 1766 01:47:01.960 --> 01:47:06.079 He ends up riding off, gets picked up. 1767 01:47:07.359 --> 01:47:12.479 And this might have happened at eight o'clock at night ish. 1768 01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:16.760 The mayor was inside eating dinner. The mayor of Clarksville. 1769 01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:21.600 This's happened in Clarksville, Tennessee. He was inside that restaurant 1770 01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:25.600 that had happened at eating dinner. Not that that really 1771 01:47:25.640 --> 01:47:29.640 made much more of a difference. It didn't help, did 1772 01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:33.760 not help, not keeping that one quiet, not sweeping anything 1773 01:47:33.960 --> 01:47:40.720 under that rug. I get a call at I don't know, 1774 01:47:42.319 --> 01:47:43.439 eleven twelve o'clock. 1775 01:47:43.600 --> 01:47:47.800 Was this the steakhouse over by the male yep? Okay, yeah, 1776 01:47:47.800 --> 01:47:50.279 I know that one. 1777 01:47:52.279 --> 01:47:57.119 So I get a call late at night and it 1778 01:47:57.159 --> 01:48:03.039 was a detective the arresting team. So they didn't take 1779 01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:06.800 this dude to the jail like the Cumberland County jail. 1780 01:48:07.680 --> 01:48:16.039 There was some weird, unmarked warehouse style holding place that 1781 01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:21.720 was nowhere near the jail, like the other side of town. 1782 01:48:22.039 --> 01:48:24.039 That's weird, super weird. 1783 01:48:24.720 --> 01:48:26.159 And I get a call and they're like, hey, man, 1784 01:48:26.199 --> 01:48:28.560 can you come and pick pick up your boy? And 1785 01:48:28.640 --> 01:48:32.840 I was like, I'm not a I'm not wearing that color, 1786 01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:35.840 Like that's not so how would you guys associate me 1787 01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:40.800 with that? So now that's not a good situation. I'm like, yeah, man, 1788 01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:44.279 I'm gonna come down and get him. So I go 1789 01:48:44.359 --> 01:48:47.880 down and get him. He's in a tievex suit. Somebody 1790 01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:50.880 just get even weirder Annibal Lecter. I don't know what's 1791 01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:54.880 happening at this point. The detectives like big air, like 1792 01:48:55.000 --> 01:49:02.079 this is interesting. Take him to his his clubse like, hey, dude, 1793 01:49:02.119 --> 01:49:04.600 you don't need to go get a burner phone and 1794 01:49:05.079 --> 01:49:08.760 you know, go chill out somewhere. So dude goes and 1795 01:49:09.319 --> 01:49:10.680 I was like, man, you need to be in and 1796 01:49:10.680 --> 01:49:12.960 out of this house. I think I told him seven minutes. 1797 01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:15.319 I don't know why. I just picked seven minutes, like randomly. 1798 01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:16.159 I was like, dude, you got like. 1799 01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:17.760 Seven minutes to get your shit out of the house. Man, 1800 01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:19.439 get out of here. And then you're gonna go to 1801 01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:21.760 this spot, get a burner phone. You're gonna go over 1802 01:49:21.880 --> 01:49:23.399 to this area for the safe house. And he's like, 1803 01:49:23.399 --> 01:49:26.319 all right, cool, and then he's like and I'm gonna 1804 01:49:26.319 --> 01:49:29.960 meet you there, take a different route. So he did that. 1805 01:49:30.520 --> 01:49:35.640 About twenty minutes later, that house got raided and everybody 1806 01:49:35.680 --> 01:49:40.199 that was in there was face down, got the handcuffs on. 1807 01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:44.319 So hey, my seven minute thing actually worked. 1808 01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:45.960 Whatever. 1809 01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:48.000 They'd already let him go so it didn't matter. But anyway, 1810 01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:49.319 so off we go. 1811 01:49:50.800 --> 01:49:53.199 He's in a he's hanging out at some chick's house. 1812 01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:56.520 And then he calls me up a few. 1813 01:49:56.439 --> 01:49:59.159 Days later he's like, hey, man, I think I don't know. 1814 01:49:59.159 --> 01:49:59.920 I think I might need to go. 1815 01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:03.399 I can tell me what you want to do, man, 1816 01:50:03.479 --> 01:50:07.159 so't whatever if you need out. 1817 01:50:08.079 --> 01:50:11.960 Deputy or sheriff, detective whoever. Calls me like the next 1818 01:50:12.039 --> 01:50:13.560 day after that and was like, hey, I need you 1819 01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:14.279 to bring your boy in. 1820 01:50:14.760 --> 01:50:20.000 Okay? Cool. So I can't believe they just let him 1821 01:50:20.039 --> 01:50:21.840 walk out after the double homicide. 1822 01:50:21.960 --> 01:50:26.279 Let him walk out? Now took him back in? He 1823 01:50:26.439 --> 01:50:26.920 just did. 1824 01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:32.000 That's been six years. Oh he just got out. 1825 01:50:32.039 --> 01:50:32.640 He just got out. 1826 01:50:34.000 --> 01:50:35.960 Yeah, so. 1827 01:50:39.119 --> 01:50:41.279 The dudes drew down on him first. 1828 01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:45.479 He was So there's an argument of self defense. 1829 01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:49.039 We had talked about how some former military guys go 1830 01:50:49.199 --> 01:50:50.319 as far as. 1831 01:50:50.319 --> 01:50:51.479 You know, one Percenter clubs. 1832 01:50:52.359 --> 01:50:56.960 That was a former military guy that had gone. Matter 1833 01:50:57.000 --> 01:51:00.159 of fact, a Seventh Group guy was. Turns out to 1834 01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:05.359 be the president of Hell's Angels in Faybville. He died 1835 01:51:05.560 --> 01:51:10.640 a few years ago. Turns out when that funeral happened, 1836 01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:14.319 Oh you got to know, because it happened to Fabville. 1837 01:51:15.159 --> 01:51:19.680 Every agency, the entire alphabet was out there. I mean 1838 01:51:19.720 --> 01:51:23.079 the Greek alphabet was out there everybody taking pictures of 1839 01:51:23.399 --> 01:51:26.039 every dude like a mafia funeral that showed up. 1840 01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:31.000 Yeah wow, yeah, that's crazy. So what happened with your 1841 01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:36.479 motorcycle buddy after you brought him back into the sketchy warehouse? 1842 01:51:36.720 --> 01:51:38.920 So I'm doing videos? I had asked him. 1843 01:51:38.920 --> 01:51:40.840 I was like, hey, look, can we have no press 1844 01:51:40.840 --> 01:51:43.680 because I'm involved in this thing now right. I was saying, 1845 01:51:43.680 --> 01:51:46.000 I don't want any press being there. Can you guys 1846 01:51:46.239 --> 01:51:49.000 at least try to? And they're like, yeah, no problem. 1847 01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:54.079 We have a thirty forty minute conversation with the dude 1848 01:51:54.119 --> 01:51:56.960 standing outside of my truck. As I'm dropping him off. 1849 01:51:57.399 --> 01:51:59.880 He was complimenting on how good we made the double 1850 01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:04.039 doors at the clubhouse, because I we got doors from 1851 01:52:04.039 --> 01:52:09.319 the post office, like these giant steel doors, and had 1852 01:52:09.319 --> 01:52:14.279 a great security system on this thing. Had cameras all over, 1853 01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:17.800 and the bartender had all of his because bartender's gonna 1854 01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:20.399 be a prospect, He's got all the cameras up there 1855 01:52:20.439 --> 01:52:22.880 to look at. So you can see three sixty around 1856 01:52:22.880 --> 01:52:25.800 the house and there'll be two or three guys just 1857 01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:31.359 watching cameras at all times, and the whether it's the 1858 01:52:31.359 --> 01:52:34.039 atf whatever. They were, like, dude, you guys did a 1859 01:52:34.039 --> 01:52:36.359 really good job putting up those It was like, there's 1860 01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:38.039 there's a bitch get in that house. 1861 01:52:38.119 --> 01:52:43.800 Man. So I spelt I wasn't an engineer at Charlie. 1862 01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:49.479 But it would be good. Uh so, And they were, 1863 01:52:50.920 --> 01:52:52.840 you know, I don't want to mention some of the 1864 01:52:52.840 --> 01:52:56.159 things that were they were involved in uh on this show, 1865 01:52:56.199 --> 01:53:01.840 but they were involved in some things that I knew, like, all. 1866 01:53:01.840 --> 01:53:05.199 Right, this is oll listed activities. This is not. 1867 01:53:07.880 --> 01:53:12.520 I didn't learn, like, you know, my lesson quickly, but 1868 01:53:12.600 --> 01:53:14.640 I eventually learned my lesson. I was like, this is 1869 01:53:14.680 --> 01:53:19.640 not not working out. And at this time, now I 1870 01:53:19.640 --> 01:53:22.800 had transitioned, I'm out of the military and I'm a civilian. 1871 01:53:22.880 --> 01:53:24.880 I was like, I need I need to X Phil. 1872 01:53:26.960 --> 01:53:29.319 So I go back to brag because at a house 1873 01:53:29.359 --> 01:53:34.640 out there still and I'm still riding with my club 1874 01:53:34.800 --> 01:53:41.159 out there, who lives right down street from the Hells Angels. 1875 01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:43.439 And I just did not see. 1876 01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:46.960 I was like, I'm I'm gonna end up in the 1877 01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:52.840 same situations. So I decided to I was gonna get 1878 01:53:52.880 --> 01:53:57.079 out of that culture all together and move to Florida, 1879 01:53:59.520 --> 01:54:06.720 where I actually hung up the helmet completely and got 1880 01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:08.319 away from the motorcycles all together. 1881 01:54:08.359 --> 01:54:12.520 I sold them all, but still kind of chasing that 1882 01:54:12.640 --> 01:54:16.119 high right. Oh yeah, like you made the trip over 1883 01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:17.640 to Ukraine when that popped off. 1884 01:54:18.039 --> 01:54:21.840 Yeah yeah, what was I thinking? 1885 01:54:26.359 --> 01:54:27.119 Yeah, I don't know. 1886 01:54:28.640 --> 01:54:32.600 It was allegedly I was telling myself, you know, it 1887 01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:38.119 was the money, but in hindsight, it wasn't even that 1888 01:54:38.319 --> 01:54:43.960 much money. So I was wanting to do it to 1889 01:54:44.239 --> 01:54:47.760 feel relevant. I think that's the best way to describe. 1890 01:54:47.800 --> 01:54:50.680 To use your skills and your training. I wanted to 1891 01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:52.359 feel relevant, and. 1892 01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:57.840 It was an ego thing I think also, and like 1893 01:54:57.920 --> 01:55:01.720 I've got the opportunity to do this, and let's let's 1894 01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:02.319 see how. 1895 01:55:02.199 --> 01:55:03.079 Far I can push it. 1896 01:55:04.760 --> 01:55:13.079 That's a whole different situation when nobody's coming, there's no QRF, 1897 01:55:14.439 --> 01:55:19.880 nobody is coming. I don't speak that language. It's me 1898 01:55:20.439 --> 01:55:24.760 and I've got a terp and I've got a high 1899 01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:28.880 lux that I rented this right out like twenty miles 1900 01:55:28.920 --> 01:55:31.800 across the border that's not even supposed to be that 1901 01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:35.159 far east because I had to sneak in Robin Sage 1902 01:55:35.159 --> 01:55:37.039 style from Poland. 1903 01:55:38.479 --> 01:55:40.359 That was crazy. I ended up. 1904 01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:43.439 So there's this long line about five. 1905 01:55:43.279 --> 01:55:44.760 Miles to get into the border. 1906 01:55:46.800 --> 01:55:52.319 So we land in Poland and then we go close 1907 01:55:52.399 --> 01:55:56.079 to the border, like an hour outside of the border 1908 01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:58.760 to Ukraine, and we've got this. 1909 01:56:00.439 --> 01:56:04.199 Like we've got this like augmentee that's going to. 1910 01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:05.319 Help us get across the border. 1911 01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:05.720 Right. 1912 01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:13.319 We got some random dude that was a very odd 1913 01:56:13.359 --> 01:56:15.960 situation because he was supposed to be at this link 1914 01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:20.600 up point at let's say two pm. So we're out 1915 01:56:20.600 --> 01:56:25.840 there at like one pm, like on Overwatch, because I 1916 01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:28.600 want to see when this guy comes in, is he 1917 01:56:28.720 --> 01:56:32.720 being followed, is it just him? What is the situation 1918 01:56:32.880 --> 01:56:41.800 really like at like two thirty, nohing nothing. I was like, 1919 01:56:41.800 --> 01:56:44.920 what three o'clock. Three thirty rolls around? Almost a couple 1920 01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:49.239 hours it passed. Calling this guy he finally answers. He's like, 1921 01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:52.039 oh yeah, I'll send ye the driver will be there 1922 01:56:52.039 --> 01:56:55.439 in five minutes. There was a van. It has been 1923 01:56:55.439 --> 01:56:59.159 sitting there since before we got there. Some dude comes 1924 01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:00.520 over and gets in the van and I was like, 1925 01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:04.840 all right, this is already not looking good. Well now 1926 01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:11.000 he wants to bring this lady with her car and 1927 01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:13.680 that we're gonna they're gonna take us to the front 1928 01:57:13.680 --> 01:57:15.079 of the line. I was like, none of this is 1929 01:57:15.119 --> 01:57:15.640 adding up. 1930 01:57:15.680 --> 01:57:22.039 Man, sounds legit. This is super not sketchy. We're gonna 1931 01:57:22.079 --> 01:57:28.239 do it right, and we do. So. 1932 01:57:28.319 --> 01:57:31.600 The border is backed up five miles or so. It 1933 01:57:31.680 --> 01:57:35.680 might take three days to get into there. We just 1934 01:57:36.359 --> 01:57:40.000 going up to the front of the line. This lady 1935 01:57:40.039 --> 01:57:44.800 had a stolen car. Now I'm going to be in 1936 01:57:44.880 --> 01:57:49.039 like this international crime syndicate was stolen cars trying to 1937 01:57:49.039 --> 01:57:56.039 get smuggled into Ukraine, and like nothing's coming in. I 1938 01:57:56.079 --> 01:57:58.439 got some med stuff because like I'm coming over and 1939 01:57:58.479 --> 01:58:03.560 I'm bringing medicine like AMA trauma gear and everything. Find 1940 01:58:03.560 --> 01:58:07.199 a dude like ten twelve vehicles back in a sprinter van, 1941 01:58:07.479 --> 01:58:12.760 a Mercedes Sprinter like nice and newer one. I went 1942 01:58:12.840 --> 01:58:14.880 up to him and I was like, hey, man, I 1943 01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:18.439 need you to get me across this border. I don't 1944 01:58:18.479 --> 01:58:23.760 think he spoke English. I don't think he he understood 1945 01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:26.600 what I meant. He just kind of looked around, opened 1946 01:58:26.680 --> 01:58:30.560 up the van. No, there's another red flag right that 1947 01:58:30.640 --> 01:58:33.399 I've created. And I was like, yep, we're going in 1948 01:58:34.119 --> 01:58:38.159 jump in the back of some random strangers sprinter van. No, 1949 01:58:38.279 --> 01:58:40.680 it's one of these vans that it's like it's a 1950 01:58:40.680 --> 01:58:41.520 free candy van. 1951 01:58:41.560 --> 01:58:44.520 There's no windows. It's a pedophile van. 1952 01:58:44.760 --> 01:58:49.239 It's the Seer van. Yeah, and I put myself into 1953 01:58:49.279 --> 01:58:53.520 this seer van to break across the border to go 1954 01:58:53.600 --> 01:59:01.680 to a war, and I felt wildly un comfortable with that. 1955 01:59:01.760 --> 01:59:04.439 I was like, man, this is actually I feel good 1956 01:59:04.520 --> 01:59:05.000 about this. 1957 01:59:06.439 --> 01:59:06.960 Uh. 1958 01:59:08.520 --> 01:59:09.760 We get across the border. 1959 01:59:10.960 --> 01:59:14.439 Jack, we get across the border two three miles, three 1960 01:59:14.479 --> 01:59:17.079 miles top, this thing breaks down. 1961 01:59:18.359 --> 01:59:21.600 Now we're riding in the back. It's me and two 1962 01:59:21.720 --> 01:59:23.680 guys that I went with. Now because when we get 1963 01:59:23.760 --> 01:59:25.600 to where we're going, we're gonna split up and go 1964 01:59:25.600 --> 01:59:29.199 our subways. So it's me and two other guys from 1965 01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:31.680 in the back of this thing. Can't see anything, have 1966 01:59:31.800 --> 01:59:34.760 no idea, you know what's But we weren't back there 1967 01:59:34.760 --> 01:59:36.680 along because as soon as we got across that border, 1968 01:59:36.680 --> 01:59:38.920 a few miles into it, the the van breaks down. 1969 01:59:40.439 --> 01:59:43.840 So here we go. We pop out, like what's the situation? Man? 1970 01:59:44.920 --> 01:59:47.840 Another dude just comes rolling up. They strap a little 1971 01:59:47.880 --> 01:59:50.960 toe strap on this thing, and now we're just getting 1972 01:59:51.359 --> 01:59:53.520 towed down the road by time. 1973 01:59:53.560 --> 01:59:53.880 I don't know. 1974 01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:57.720 Nineteen eighty five Nissan pickup truck that's on its last 1975 01:59:57.800 --> 02:00:01.199 leg towing us where the dudes gotta like ride the 1976 02:00:01.239 --> 02:00:03.840 brakes so you don't hit the towing vehicle in front 1977 02:00:03.840 --> 02:00:06.479 of you. So we go, I don't know, eight nine, 1978 02:00:06.560 --> 02:00:10.319 ten miles down the road, getting smuggled in this thing. Finally, 1979 02:00:10.359 --> 02:00:14.199 like we hop out and at the because there was 1980 02:00:14.239 --> 02:00:16.640 a rental car place spot I don't have fifteen miles 1981 02:00:16.720 --> 02:00:18.680 or so on the other side of the border, and 1982 02:00:19.039 --> 02:00:22.000 we go and rent three vehicles, three high luxes, and 1983 02:00:22.039 --> 02:00:25.159 we each like high five and we go link up 1984 02:00:25.199 --> 02:00:30.239 with an interpreter, each of us, and we go off 1985 02:00:30.279 --> 02:00:31.279 into the wild. 1986 02:00:31.720 --> 02:00:34.239 Now Ukraine is. 1987 02:00:35.720 --> 02:00:39.720 It's huge, so it's not as big as the US, 1988 02:00:39.800 --> 02:00:44.119 but it's big as of several states. So it's several hours, 1989 02:00:44.159 --> 02:00:47.560 like a couple of days even to drive from the 1990 02:00:48.359 --> 02:00:53.239 from the west to the east. And actually our west 1991 02:00:53.319 --> 02:00:58.319 is like really nice. The landscaping, the greenery, rolling hills, 1992 02:00:58.479 --> 02:01:05.279 beautiful rests, the activity was all normal. They became a 1993 02:01:05.279 --> 02:01:08.880 phase line and when you cross that phase line, it 1994 02:01:09.079 --> 02:01:13.000 was like it went from one to the other immediately, 1995 02:01:13.800 --> 02:01:18.920 and it was like communist Russia looking definitely, the vehicles, 1996 02:01:19.119 --> 02:01:22.439 the people, what they were wearing. And then it got 1997 02:01:22.479 --> 02:01:27.239 into the most war torn looking areas and Karkiev, and 1998 02:01:27.960 --> 02:01:30.399 so that's where we started operating out of so me 1999 02:01:30.439 --> 02:01:32.960 and my turp we linked up with some just random 2000 02:01:33.000 --> 02:01:39.600 indigenous force Ukrainian Army dudes, like, hey, we're here, man, 2001 02:01:40.159 --> 02:01:43.199 you guys want some training and they're like yeah, and 2002 02:01:43.399 --> 02:01:45.960 pretty much that's kind of how it went. Shake some 2003 02:01:46.039 --> 02:01:51.800 hands and started teaching medicine to these dudes, and they're like, 2004 02:01:51.840 --> 02:01:55.079 we're going out on mission, and I was like, awesome, 2005 02:01:55.239 --> 02:01:57.239 let me hear the mission brief. I'm gonna go with 2006 02:01:57.319 --> 02:02:00.000 you because I got this GoPro we're about to start 2007 02:02:00.079 --> 02:02:02.920 or a new Blackwater, all right. 2008 02:02:02.960 --> 02:02:04.039 So the mission goes like. 2009 02:02:04.000 --> 02:02:06.920 This, it's like six dudes and then me, I'm gonna 2010 02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:10.239 go with them, and they're gonna go take on an 2011 02:02:10.439 --> 02:02:18.039 entire Russian infantry unit, complete with two tanks they've got 2012 02:02:18.279 --> 02:02:22.399 I don't know all the weapons, and it's like forty 2013 02:02:22.479 --> 02:02:25.960 dudes and there's the six of us and me I 2014 02:02:26.000 --> 02:02:33.159 was like, no, we're not doing that. It was an 2015 02:02:33.239 --> 02:02:35.920 issue we kind of got into like a thing, and 2016 02:02:36.079 --> 02:02:39.119 I'm just a new guy showing up there and I 2017 02:02:39.159 --> 02:02:40.720 wasn't doing it to be a dick. I was like, 2018 02:02:40.760 --> 02:02:43.720 now that's suicide, right, man, Like you guys are going 2019 02:02:43.760 --> 02:02:45.000 to die. And I was like, I'm not going to 2020 02:02:45.079 --> 02:02:47.840 go on that one with you, and I'd strongly advise 2021 02:02:47.960 --> 02:02:49.640 you not to go because you're not going to come 2022 02:02:49.720 --> 02:02:50.159 back from that. 2023 02:02:50.239 --> 02:02:54.520 I'm just being being honest with you. And so a 2024 02:02:54.560 --> 02:02:57.399 few of the guys were like, this guy's saying that 2025 02:02:57.479 --> 02:03:01.439 man and you know his resume, We're gonna stick with 2026 02:03:01.479 --> 02:03:01.840 this guy. 2027 02:03:01.960 --> 02:03:03.960 And a couple of dudes were kind of angry about 2028 02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:05.439 it and they wanted to go talk to the colonel 2029 02:03:05.479 --> 02:03:07.479 about it. The colonel comes down, it was like, no, 2030 02:03:07.520 --> 02:03:10.800 we need to go, dude. You do you understand this 2031 02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:16.720 mission planning situation? They don't. And they were also kind 2032 02:03:16.720 --> 02:03:22.800 of in a desperate situation and which I completely appreciate, 2033 02:03:23.800 --> 02:03:30.159 but I am not in a desperate situation. So I 2034 02:03:30.199 --> 02:03:32.439 did my best to keep them from going, and they 2035 02:03:32.439 --> 02:03:39.359 didn't go. Now, there were some other ones that we 2036 02:03:39.399 --> 02:03:45.119 did go, and I sat in a ditch with tank 2037 02:03:45.199 --> 02:03:48.000 rounds smacking, getting dirt. 2038 02:03:47.800 --> 02:03:50.319 Blown on me. 2039 02:03:50.800 --> 02:03:53.640 And then I remember I was going out to this 2040 02:03:53.720 --> 02:03:58.119 one unit. It was like eight dudes on this outpost 2041 02:03:59.119 --> 02:04:01.239 we had gotten there are like, hey man, these dudes 2042 02:04:01.279 --> 02:04:04.279 out there like really need help, and you know, they're 2043 02:04:04.319 --> 02:04:05.359 taking casualties. 2044 02:04:05.479 --> 02:04:06.920 I was like, okay, cool. 2045 02:04:06.840 --> 02:04:09.319 I'm gonna go out there and help with these guys. 2046 02:04:09.960 --> 02:04:13.359 So me and Minter we go out. We got like 2047 02:04:13.399 --> 02:04:15.199 a grid cord and to drop to us, and we 2048 02:04:15.359 --> 02:04:19.560 go out there and it's a school now in a 2049 02:04:19.680 --> 02:04:25.680 village completely desolate. Nobody's there at all. The school has 2050 02:04:25.800 --> 02:04:31.560 been shelled a dozen times. All the houses got some 2051 02:04:31.680 --> 02:04:34.640 kind of watar rounds in them, and then there's this 2052 02:04:35.199 --> 02:04:40.720 little outpost and then there's this an area kind of 2053 02:04:40.800 --> 02:04:43.359 like a basement, you know, you could go under a bunker. 2054 02:04:44.439 --> 02:04:46.840 And I'm like, all right, so you park. I parked 2055 02:04:46.920 --> 02:04:52.119 under some trees next to the school because up until now, 2056 02:04:52.760 --> 02:04:58.319 I've been fighting the Iraq Afghanistan, and we were accustomed 2057 02:04:58.319 --> 02:05:01.960 to a certain style of fighting and that's kind of 2058 02:05:02.119 --> 02:05:05.800 ingrained in US. Drone warfare wasn't part of that, right 2059 02:05:06.319 --> 02:05:08.760 and it is now. So we're going to add this 2060 02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:13.600 to the menu. And so now it's a lot more 2061 02:05:13.720 --> 02:05:16.920 variables in a country I've got zero familiarity with, with 2062 02:05:17.000 --> 02:05:20.239 a language that I don't know, with now new fighting 2063 02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:24.840 techniques that I'm not accustomed to, and I don't have 2064 02:05:24.920 --> 02:05:27.680 any team, and if anything, happens. I don't have a 2065 02:05:27.680 --> 02:05:29.359 support I don't have a UA sixty coming in, I 2066 02:05:29.359 --> 02:05:35.520 don't have a QRF, I don't have anything. So I'm like, Wow, 2067 02:05:35.560 --> 02:05:42.600 this is bold and maybe not smart. We're gonna do 2068 02:05:42.640 --> 02:05:45.960 it right. So I'm parking under trees because I'm like, man, 2069 02:05:46.000 --> 02:05:50.439 I got to outsmart the drones because drones can't see 2070 02:05:50.479 --> 02:05:53.000 your truck under a tree. 2071 02:05:55.239 --> 02:05:57.840 So that i'd cover the truck up with branches. 2072 02:05:58.520 --> 02:06:01.279 Hell yeah, we were getting in it. 2073 02:06:01.760 --> 02:06:04.159 And so. 2074 02:06:05.560 --> 02:06:07.239 I'm out there and I'm trying to set up all 2075 02:06:07.279 --> 02:06:12.119 my stuff to make me a little clinic because we're 2076 02:06:12.159 --> 02:06:18.119 going out on hits, So setting me up in aress, 2077 02:06:18.119 --> 02:06:20.640 I was like, I know we're gonna take injuries, some casualties, 2078 02:06:20.840 --> 02:06:21.880 so I want to be prepared. 2079 02:06:23.920 --> 02:06:24.000 Well. 2080 02:06:24.079 --> 02:06:27.199 The casualty is about to be me. So I'm going 2081 02:06:27.199 --> 02:06:30.920 out to the truck and that's when the drink the 2082 02:06:31.119 --> 02:06:33.079 drone saw me because I'm out and it's kind of 2083 02:06:33.079 --> 02:06:37.199 a field and to get to the truck was about 2084 02:06:37.239 --> 02:06:41.039 fifty meters or so, and that fifty meters was enough 2085 02:06:41.079 --> 02:06:43.479 for that drone. I couldn't hear the drone or see 2086 02:06:43.520 --> 02:06:46.159 the drone, but it had to have been up there 2087 02:06:46.640 --> 02:06:49.359 because I heard a tank round. Have you ever heard 2088 02:06:49.399 --> 02:06:50.199 a tank ground? 2089 02:06:50.520 --> 02:06:51.880 Not a close range like that? 2090 02:06:52.199 --> 02:06:55.560 It was like a maybe a click to clicks, which 2091 02:06:55.600 --> 02:06:59.199 is close range for a tank, right, yeah. I never 2092 02:07:00.239 --> 02:07:03.399 I'd never heard it on the receiving side until that day. 2093 02:07:04.760 --> 02:07:09.159 And oh, that's a very it's a that sound. You'll 2094 02:07:09.199 --> 02:07:11.359 know it if you ever get shot by a tank, 2095 02:07:11.960 --> 02:07:14.760 you will know what that sound is without ever having 2096 02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:16.439 the preparatory command of that. 2097 02:07:17.319 --> 02:07:22.079 Uh. And I was like, I don't know what to do. 2098 02:07:22.800 --> 02:07:24.880 I just hit the ground and to get as flat 2099 02:07:24.920 --> 02:07:28.720 as possible and from me to that microwave you got 2100 02:07:28.720 --> 02:07:31.960 there about six meters away was a little little outpost 2101 02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:32.880 that I just mentioned. 2102 02:07:33.640 --> 02:07:37.640 It got leveled and I was like, son of them. 2103 02:07:38.359 --> 02:07:42.000 So I get up and I sprint the you know, 2104 02:07:42.159 --> 02:07:44.920 short ten meters or whatever to get back into the bunker. 2105 02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:47.199 And I went down there. 2106 02:07:47.039 --> 02:07:51.319 And they just started drilling it and I got it 2107 02:07:51.359 --> 02:07:51.920 on go bro. 2108 02:07:54.600 --> 02:07:57.119 Yeah that sucked, man. So this was like right on 2109 02:07:57.159 --> 02:07:59.439 the front lines obviously. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was 2110 02:07:59.520 --> 02:08:00.359 right on the order. 2111 02:08:04.159 --> 02:08:08.199 Then I got caught up by uh, Good Morning America. 2112 02:08:08.600 --> 02:08:12.439 Oh no shit, yeah, ABC World News tonight because I 2113 02:08:12.439 --> 02:08:16.199 said there's three of us. One dude stayed in the 2114 02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:21.399 back and he's coordinating because well, we've got to got 2115 02:08:21.399 --> 02:08:23.319 to get some viewership on this. But we're going to 2116 02:08:23.359 --> 02:08:28.119 start a militia, right we're getting funded by I still 2117 02:08:28.119 --> 02:08:31.880 couldn't tell you who exactly it was, uh, none of 2118 02:08:31.920 --> 02:08:33.399 the three of us that were out there doing it, 2119 02:08:33.439 --> 02:08:36.560 and I can tell you that. So they caught up 2120 02:08:36.600 --> 02:08:41.520 with some some news organizations and some some journalists and 2121 02:08:42.760 --> 02:08:45.960 ABC World News, ABC World, Good Morning America, ABC World News, 2122 02:08:45.960 --> 02:08:48.079 and you know, they wanted. 2123 02:08:48.279 --> 02:08:51.520 So I went back linked up with those guys and 2124 02:08:51.600 --> 02:08:56.600 got to go do some footage for them. And then 2125 02:08:56.640 --> 02:09:01.319 all of this was not blurred or anything. 2126 02:09:01.520 --> 02:09:06.000 So I don't know if I became one of the 2127 02:09:06.000 --> 02:09:11.880 most wanted out there. So it was just the irony 2128 02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:16.760 is everywhere that I lived was leveled. Not while I 2129 02:09:16.840 --> 02:09:22.880 was there. I escaped that place. I escaped death. I'd 2130 02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:25.359 say more times in a few months that I was 2131 02:09:25.359 --> 02:09:27.960 in Ukraine than I did in all the other deployments, 2132 02:09:28.359 --> 02:09:34.399 almost combined. Not I mean, there was definitely situations, but 2133 02:09:34.600 --> 02:09:36.920 this one was just just hit after hit. 2134 02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:43.760 Yeah, and the enemy has drones and ballistic missiles and. 2135 02:09:42.800 --> 02:09:45.039 And I've got like no friends out there at all, 2136 02:09:47.359 --> 02:09:48.039 but it was. 2137 02:09:51.039 --> 02:09:54.000 What ended up making you decide to leave. 2138 02:09:54.880 --> 02:09:57.800 When I went, so I kind of I fell back 2139 02:09:57.840 --> 02:10:02.359 to like almost as far as I could to be 2140 02:10:02.760 --> 02:10:07.960 in like a safe zone. The hotels were great. They 2141 02:10:07.960 --> 02:10:14.039 were like fifteen dollars a night, so I was staying 2142 02:10:14.079 --> 02:10:21.479 and these are like decent hotels. And then just being 2143 02:10:21.520 --> 02:10:24.119 in there, like you almost want to feel okay, cool, 2144 02:10:24.359 --> 02:10:25.199 I'm safe, I. 2145 02:10:25.119 --> 02:10:29.520 Can kind of relax. Nope, nope. 2146 02:10:29.800 --> 02:10:33.560 Rockets are coming in and they're hitting a block away 2147 02:10:33.680 --> 02:10:35.520 and it's just like, man, I'm gonna be laying here 2148 02:10:35.560 --> 02:10:38.920 and sleeping and I'm gonna get hit by a rocket. 2149 02:10:39.960 --> 02:10:43.960 And I've gotten you all the footage. I sent everything 2150 02:10:43.960 --> 02:10:48.359 that I could to you know doing this, and like, 2151 02:10:49.239 --> 02:10:52.439 you know, unless you're gonna up the any of that 2152 02:10:52.920 --> 02:10:57.000 funding that while while I'm here like we're done. I 2153 02:10:57.039 --> 02:10:59.520 got you everything that you need, I think to get started. 2154 02:11:00.520 --> 02:11:04.199 Uh So yeah, a few months and I was like 2155 02:11:04.239 --> 02:11:10.600 I'm done, Like this team trained on Ukraine, uh sound 2156 02:11:10.640 --> 02:11:15.000 to bounce and did, jumped on a train and went 2157 02:11:15.039 --> 02:11:18.680 back to Poland. And then now guys are starting to 2158 02:11:18.720 --> 02:11:22.800 show up and there's more like uh, you know, retired 2159 02:11:22.880 --> 02:11:27.920 guys and then organizations are starting to happen, and I 2160 02:11:27.960 --> 02:11:31.520 was like, good luck fellas, I'm going to the house 2161 02:11:31.840 --> 02:11:33.359 and not coming back. 2162 02:11:34.720 --> 02:11:38.159 And so when you did get back to the United States, 2163 02:11:38.520 --> 02:11:42.239 you started doing executive protection work, you started teaching UH 2164 02:11:43.119 --> 02:11:47.039 medic classes essentially to fire departments, and I want to 2165 02:11:47.039 --> 02:11:49.279 get into this whole other you know, part of your 2166 02:11:49.319 --> 02:11:53.960 story that outwardly you're doing really well at this point, right, 2167 02:11:54.399 --> 02:11:58.159 you know, getting jobs, making money, everything's going good, but 2168 02:11:58.680 --> 02:12:01.039 internally you're having problems still. 2169 02:12:01.479 --> 02:12:04.079 Yeah, So you know, we discussed being you know, you 2170 02:12:04.119 --> 02:12:05.800 get out and want to be a contractor because there's 2171 02:12:05.800 --> 02:12:07.319 all this money. Because we're in the military, you don't 2172 02:12:07.359 --> 02:12:13.000 make money and everybody wants to make money, but we 2173 02:12:13.039 --> 02:12:17.920 don't do that job for the money. So it was 2174 02:12:18.039 --> 02:12:24.560 I was able to find very lucrative careers or training 2175 02:12:24.560 --> 02:12:29.159 opportunities within my career field, which was teaching medicine. And 2176 02:12:31.159 --> 02:12:35.880 you can you can certainly do very well for yourself 2177 02:12:36.039 --> 02:12:39.439 being being you know, going out and teaching medicine on 2178 02:12:39.600 --> 02:12:43.279 government contract levels very well. 2179 02:12:43.479 --> 02:12:49.920 And so I was doing that because I was like, oh, 2180 02:12:49.920 --> 02:12:53.119 I want to stay kind of involved in medicine and 2181 02:12:54.000 --> 02:12:57.520 again just try to stay relevant and it's an opportunity 2182 02:12:57.520 --> 02:13:02.359 to make some good coin. Uh, all that was happening, 2183 02:13:03.840 --> 02:13:06.000 but it wasn't happening for me in here. 2184 02:13:06.279 --> 02:13:09.880 Yeah. So then I was offered, hey do you do security? 2185 02:13:09.920 --> 02:13:14.880 I was like, why not? You know, what kind of 2186 02:13:14.920 --> 02:13:18.520 money are you talking about? Same money working down in 2187 02:13:18.640 --> 02:13:21.319 South Florida? Is that they were going to we're paying 2188 02:13:21.319 --> 02:13:25.880 me over in Ukraine, which like contractor money, And I 2189 02:13:25.920 --> 02:13:30.359 was like, man, this there was some specific types of clients. 2190 02:13:31.000 --> 02:13:32.319 So then I got to work with a lot of 2191 02:13:32.439 --> 02:13:39.840 ultra networth clients, some famous and some infamous clients, clients 2192 02:13:39.880 --> 02:13:44.600 that have laundered billions of dollars through countries that we 2193 02:13:44.640 --> 02:13:50.880 are currently in conflict with. That's a whole nother situation 2194 02:13:51.960 --> 02:13:55.920 with what that recently came out two weeks ago, the 2195 02:13:56.000 --> 02:14:00.880 news and how that, you know, let's not get into 2196 02:14:00.880 --> 02:14:04.880 that one. But yeah, so executive protection, I got to 2197 02:14:04.880 --> 02:14:08.039 work with a lot of really good, a lot of 2198 02:14:08.039 --> 02:14:11.840 fun clients, got to see some some things that I 2199 02:14:11.880 --> 02:14:14.359 might not ordinarily get to see, and I got certainly 2200 02:14:14.399 --> 02:14:16.640 got to see a lot of people that I would 2201 02:14:16.720 --> 02:14:22.600 not ordinarily get to meet. But that was kind of boring. 2202 02:14:24.840 --> 02:14:28.840 I think really the biggest thing was to avoid that 2203 02:14:28.920 --> 02:14:35.479 I felt and it needed to be filled. I wasn't 2204 02:14:35.520 --> 02:14:38.520 involved in any kind of motorcycle stuff, you know, no 2205 02:14:38.600 --> 02:14:45.600 team stuff, no shootouts anymore. Ukraine was kind of a bust. 2206 02:14:46.359 --> 02:14:50.079 So you know, there's still alcohol that's still a good one, 2207 02:14:50.720 --> 02:14:55.079 you know, tequila that'll never let you down. Yeah, unfortunately 2208 02:14:55.119 --> 02:14:59.600 it does every single time. It took a few thousand 2209 02:14:59.680 --> 02:15:05.199 times of trial and error to learn that it's never 2210 02:15:05.359 --> 02:15:06.119 gonna work out. 2211 02:15:07.800 --> 02:15:11.520 And in the. 2212 02:15:12.119 --> 02:15:19.439 Motorcycle world also led me to some substance abuse, and 2213 02:15:21.319 --> 02:15:27.800 that doesn't work out. No matter how how empty your feeling, 2214 02:15:27.840 --> 02:15:29.640 that is not going to be what fills the void. 2215 02:15:31.520 --> 02:15:41.359 As an atheist, church was out of the question. So I, 2216 02:15:41.359 --> 02:15:46.439 I don't know, I just needed something. I hated myself 2217 02:15:47.680 --> 02:15:51.079 all these things that I you know, think that i'd done. 2218 02:15:51.760 --> 02:15:57.479 You know, there was a lot that I did that 2219 02:15:57.560 --> 02:16:05.319 I haven't mentioned that made me hate myself, But I 2220 02:16:05.359 --> 02:16:10.640 didn't really understand that that's what it was. I was angry. 2221 02:16:12.279 --> 02:16:15.640 At what. I don't know, anything, this. 2222 02:16:15.720 --> 02:16:18.640 That doesn't matter, that's going to just piss me off. 2223 02:16:20.479 --> 02:16:29.560 Anxiety kind of depressed states for what and not to 2224 02:16:29.600 --> 02:16:33.719 sound like a complete but I will sound like a 2225 02:16:33.719 --> 02:16:36.639 total asshole. But when I was driving a new Lamborghini 2226 02:16:37.680 --> 02:16:41.440 and it wasn't making you happy, it wasn't making me happy, 2227 02:16:41.479 --> 02:16:46.639 I was like, Man, I still feel dead inside. I 2228 02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:47.959 was like, I don't even know what to do about 2229 02:16:47.959 --> 02:16:50.360 all this, Like why am I so angry? Why am 2230 02:16:50.360 --> 02:16:51.399 I pissed off of the world? 2231 02:16:52.360 --> 02:16:53.079 What is wrong? 2232 02:16:54.120 --> 02:16:56.680 Why am I drinking myself into an oblivion? Not like 2233 02:16:56.719 --> 02:17:01.120 every day, not even every week, but hell, who knows. 2234 02:17:01.239 --> 02:17:03.079 If I have two drinks, I'm probably gonna have twelve. 2235 02:17:03.120 --> 02:17:05.440 And if I have twelve, who knows who you're gonna meet, 2236 02:17:06.040 --> 02:17:07.879 Because it's not this guy right here. You're gonna meet 2237 02:17:07.879 --> 02:17:10.040 somebody else, probably not gonna like him, And I'm damn 2238 02:17:10.040 --> 02:17:14.280 sure not gonna like him the next day. So I 2239 02:17:14.319 --> 02:17:15.639 need to figure out how to get over that. 2240 02:17:18.120 --> 02:17:19.639 What was kind of the turning point. 2241 02:17:24.000 --> 02:17:36.639 Definitely the bottom of a bottle of casamigos. It was 2242 02:17:36.760 --> 02:17:42.440 the next day when it's one of those you wake 2243 02:17:42.559 --> 02:17:47.319 up and you're like, where am I Okay, I'm in 2244 02:17:47.440 --> 02:17:47.879 my house? 2245 02:17:47.920 --> 02:17:48.200 Good? 2246 02:17:49.360 --> 02:17:54.959 Holy shit? What happened? What did I do? How did 2247 02:17:55.000 --> 02:17:55.559 I get home? 2248 02:17:56.600 --> 02:17:57.159 Oh? Man? 2249 02:17:57.440 --> 02:18:04.239 One of those I probably made some you know, comments 2250 02:18:04.280 --> 02:18:07.479 and stuff the night before, but not the detrimental, and 2251 02:18:08.000 --> 02:18:11.000 I had an uber take me home. But the point 2252 02:18:11.120 --> 02:18:15.920 was that I'd had too many of those nights. Yeah, 2253 02:18:15.959 --> 02:18:18.719 and every time I have one of those, I'm like, man, 2254 02:18:18.719 --> 02:18:19.159 I'm done. 2255 02:18:19.239 --> 02:18:20.600 I can't drink anymore. 2256 02:18:21.799 --> 02:18:26.559 Uh, that's just I can't do this, whether it's that 2257 02:18:26.920 --> 02:18:30.719 or going on a you know, a cocaine bender. 2258 02:18:30.959 --> 02:18:33.520 Just I can't do that again. 2259 02:18:34.319 --> 02:18:38.799 Until the next time. And then you're like, all right, 2260 02:18:38.799 --> 02:18:42.360 all right, that I can't do that again. How many 2261 02:18:42.360 --> 02:18:44.680 times does that need to happen? 2262 02:18:45.079 --> 02:18:47.280 I mean, as we both know that kills a lot 2263 02:18:47.280 --> 02:18:47.680 of people. 2264 02:18:50.440 --> 02:18:59.520 Yeah, damn near killed me, you know, I say, you know, 2265 02:18:59.600 --> 02:19:06.079 you crate Afghanistan during the during their peak times were 2266 02:19:06.120 --> 02:19:08.600 some of the most dangerous places in the world. 2267 02:19:10.319 --> 02:19:10.799 And. 2268 02:19:13.479 --> 02:19:18.360 I would walked along the edge during a lot of 2269 02:19:18.360 --> 02:19:21.879 those times. I stayed on that edge a lot longer. 2270 02:19:23.559 --> 02:19:28.319 Just in my regular life with drugs and alcohol, I 2271 02:19:28.360 --> 02:19:31.399 should have died more during the activities that I was 2272 02:19:31.440 --> 02:19:36.159 doing in that state versus being at war at war, 2273 02:19:37.600 --> 02:19:40.799 So what was it? A deciding factor? Is just one 2274 02:19:40.879 --> 02:19:43.079 day I said I had today, it's got to be 2275 02:19:43.120 --> 02:19:51.600 the last day. And the next part was like, okay, 2276 02:19:51.680 --> 02:19:58.600 how do I do that and it's from podcasts. Oh 2277 02:19:58.639 --> 02:20:06.280 really Yeah, you know, podcasts have given a platform to 2278 02:20:06.440 --> 02:20:09.000 talk about things that you don't get to hear all 2279 02:20:09.040 --> 02:20:11.600 the time. Right twenty years ago, you know, you know 2280 02:20:11.639 --> 02:20:15.159 you're not hearing this conversation. Yeah, so twenty years ago, 2281 02:20:15.200 --> 02:20:17.959 I'm not hearing Joe Rogan, Sean Ryan, a lot of 2282 02:20:17.959 --> 02:20:20.600 these guys that have these guests on, and they get 2283 02:20:20.639 --> 02:20:28.600 to talk about all kinds of great stuff, specifically psychedelic medicine. 2284 02:20:29.520 --> 02:20:32.159 So I've done my share of party drugs, have had 2285 02:20:32.159 --> 02:20:35.879 a good time psychedelics. That's not something not doing that. 2286 02:20:36.479 --> 02:20:39.200 Yeah, if anything, you're like kind of predisposed against it 2287 02:20:39.239 --> 02:20:41.200 at this point, I would imagine, yeah, yeah, and I'm 2288 02:20:41.239 --> 02:20:42.520 like I don't do that. 2289 02:20:42.959 --> 02:20:46.600 But I've been hearing so much about it from these 2290 02:20:46.639 --> 02:20:52.239 guys on podcasts and how it's helping veterans. I was 2291 02:20:52.280 --> 02:20:53.200 offered it years. 2292 02:20:53.000 --> 02:20:57.719 Ago, and I I was like, no, that's not for me. 2293 02:20:58.600 --> 02:21:03.879 Like hippies that it's probably like worth pointing out to people, 2294 02:21:04.200 --> 02:21:07.920 like from everything I've been told, like the plant medicine 2295 02:21:08.000 --> 02:21:10.920 is not a drug, Like there's no situation where like 2296 02:21:11.000 --> 02:21:12.280 you and I are going to sit here and like 2297 02:21:12.319 --> 02:21:15.239 do Hyahuasco. Like trip balls in the in this office. 2298 02:21:16.159 --> 02:21:18.120 That's not what it's about, and that's not how people 2299 02:21:18.200 --> 02:21:18.639 use it. 2300 02:21:18.760 --> 02:21:22.680 Never Yeah, but yet I kind of that was still 2301 02:21:22.760 --> 02:21:25.799 kind of the stigma that I had even up until 2302 02:21:25.840 --> 02:21:29.319 that point, and I was like, you know what, but 2303 02:21:29.360 --> 02:21:33.159 I got to try something. So I'm going to do this. 2304 02:21:35.680 --> 02:21:42.680 I don't know how, where who? So I used the Internet. 2305 02:21:44.840 --> 02:21:45.879 This is where it begins. 2306 02:21:47.840 --> 02:21:53.799 So like, you know, shaman near me? So I know 2307 02:21:53.840 --> 02:21:58.000 there's no shaman down near me in South Florida until 2308 02:21:58.040 --> 02:22:04.920 there is. Yeah, It's popping up everywhere. So I decided 2309 02:22:05.079 --> 02:22:09.280 I'm gonna go to Mexico. And I found a guy 2310 02:22:09.280 --> 02:22:15.000 down there on the Internet and I show up. Now, 2311 02:22:15.840 --> 02:22:20.239 mind you, I'm already kind of sketchy about this whole situation, 2312 02:22:21.159 --> 02:22:25.079 but as we've learned from my previous Ukraine sketchy, you 2313 02:22:25.079 --> 02:22:28.319 know what we're gonna let's just do it. Let's sketchy. 2314 02:22:28.399 --> 02:22:30.440 It is the more fun and better it's gonna be. 2315 02:22:30.959 --> 02:22:35.120 And I end up down this long dirt road and 2316 02:22:35.159 --> 02:22:38.559 it's some like house. I was like, am I at 2317 02:22:38.559 --> 02:22:43.159 a house? I'm picturing some type of sanctuary, like a 2318 02:22:43.920 --> 02:22:46.799 some type of rehab recovery center type of thing, and 2319 02:22:46.840 --> 02:22:50.520 they've got this big ceremonial space and I'm in a 2320 02:22:50.600 --> 02:22:54.280 dude's house and I was like okay, and this guy 2321 02:22:54.280 --> 02:22:57.159 comes walking out in like jeans and a T shirt 2322 02:22:58.239 --> 02:23:01.440 and a local guy from the area, and I was like, 2323 02:23:02.719 --> 02:23:04.879 he's like Kenny. I was like, oh, all right, so 2324 02:23:04.879 --> 02:23:07.399 I'm in the right spot. And I was like, but 2325 02:23:08.200 --> 02:23:10.680 you know you things. You made me feel a little 2326 02:23:10.719 --> 02:23:17.079 bit more less comfortable and he's like, no, man, it's okay. Everything, 2327 02:23:17.120 --> 02:23:21.440 We're good. Like, okay, well, then I'm gonna park my car. 2328 02:23:21.760 --> 02:23:26.000 Let's get started. Uh So, actually, your next door had 2329 02:23:26.000 --> 02:23:29.440 this little cabana that he had me live in and 2330 02:23:29.520 --> 02:23:31.840 I got to stay out there with him for five 2331 02:23:31.920 --> 02:23:35.959 days and he feed me all times of all types 2332 02:23:36.000 --> 02:23:37.200 of good food, you. 2333 02:23:37.120 --> 02:23:39.639 Know, healthy stuff, keeping my body clean. 2334 02:23:40.879 --> 02:23:45.079 And he said he's gonna start me out with this 2335 02:23:45.879 --> 02:23:55.040 cleansing called combo. Okay. I didn't know anything really about combo. 2336 02:23:55.799 --> 02:23:59.239 I researched the psychedelic treatment that I was coming down for, 2337 02:23:59.319 --> 02:24:02.239 and I figured I knew quite a bit of enough 2338 02:24:02.280 --> 02:24:06.920 about it to go through with it. I don't know 2339 02:24:06.920 --> 02:24:09.479 what this combo is. So he was like, you're gonna 2340 02:24:09.520 --> 02:24:09.799 drink a. 2341 02:24:09.760 --> 02:24:12.360 Lot of water. It's like a gallon of water. 2342 02:24:13.520 --> 02:24:18.040 So I drink a gallon of water. Now in mind, 2343 02:24:18.200 --> 02:24:20.520 I got there, like we'll call it on a Tuesday, 2344 02:24:21.280 --> 02:24:22.559 and it just kind of got settled in, and then 2345 02:24:22.559 --> 02:24:25.719 Wednesday we started all the process. So I drank this 2346 02:24:25.799 --> 02:24:29.200 gallon of water. Now he's gonna take this vine and 2347 02:24:29.280 --> 02:24:32.319 burn the vine, and he's gonna get me on my 2348 02:24:32.360 --> 02:24:35.719 shoulder and he's just making a little cigarette tight burns. 2349 02:24:36.200 --> 02:24:41.120 So I've got small open wounds in my shoulders. And 2350 02:24:41.159 --> 02:24:43.600 then I lift my arms up so that he can 2351 02:24:43.639 --> 02:24:50.920 pour this powder it's frog toxin into these open wounds 2352 02:24:50.959 --> 02:24:55.200 and spray them with water. Now this dude doesn't use 2353 02:24:55.239 --> 02:24:59.239 this a measuring tool or anything. He's just eyeball in this, 2354 02:24:59.479 --> 02:25:02.719 just jumping it out. And I was like, I mean, 2355 02:25:03.200 --> 02:25:08.120 is it supposed to be that much? And it turns out, uh, 2356 02:25:08.559 --> 02:25:10.200 I don't know. I think I got more than I 2357 02:25:10.239 --> 02:25:14.200 needed because instantly I say anything, about two minutes into it, 2358 02:25:15.000 --> 02:25:19.159 I can feel myself turning another shade of green, and 2359 02:25:20.000 --> 02:25:24.079 I'm starting to just like wanting to just turn inside out. 2360 02:25:25.159 --> 02:25:27.239 I didn't feel like I was gonna die Jack. I 2361 02:25:27.319 --> 02:25:31.399 wanted to die because it was it was painful. The 2362 02:25:31.520 --> 02:25:33.799 nausea was just horrible. 2363 02:25:33.879 --> 02:25:35.639 And I'm describing this. Nobody's gonna want. 2364 02:25:35.479 --> 02:25:38.600 To do combo after I explained it to him, So, uh, 2365 02:25:39.079 --> 02:25:43.440 you know, your experience may vary. But I just felt 2366 02:25:43.479 --> 02:25:47.479 deathly ill, and he kept telling me drink more water, 2367 02:25:47.559 --> 02:25:51.440 drink more water, so trying, I physically can't drink any water. 2368 02:25:54.159 --> 02:25:56.319 And then it finally starts to come up. Now it's 2369 02:25:56.360 --> 02:25:59.200 about five minutes or so until it starts to get 2370 02:25:59.200 --> 02:26:01.879 to the peak, and that peak lasts for about ten 2371 02:26:01.920 --> 02:26:04.799 minutes or so, and then you start to come back down. 2372 02:26:04.959 --> 02:26:08.959 Those ten minutes were an eternity, but I got up 2373 02:26:10.360 --> 02:26:13.959 things that I was holding on to from two thousand 2374 02:26:14.000 --> 02:26:19.239 and four. I didn't understand why. 2375 02:26:19.360 --> 02:26:20.239 I was doing this. 2376 02:26:22.520 --> 02:26:26.280 I do a lot better now. You've had a gut 2377 02:26:26.280 --> 02:26:31.200 feeling before. So your gut is telling you things, whether 2378 02:26:31.239 --> 02:26:34.000 that's because it's your second brain, whether it's just the 2379 02:26:34.120 --> 02:26:38.360 data stored in there, memory trauma. That's how you get 2380 02:26:38.360 --> 02:26:43.600 these feelings. It stores stuff in there that you don't want. 2381 02:26:44.760 --> 02:26:48.520 And this purging ceremony, you have to drink all the 2382 02:26:48.600 --> 02:26:52.159 water so you have something to purge out. But it 2383 02:26:52.319 --> 02:26:58.120 helps the cleansing of that biome so that you can 2384 02:26:58.200 --> 02:27:02.239 start fresh and that you can accept the medicine. So 2385 02:27:02.319 --> 02:27:06.159 once I was done violently throwing up green orange, I 2386 02:27:06.200 --> 02:27:09.639 don't know. It was just a kaleidoscope of of garbage 2387 02:27:09.639 --> 02:27:13.879 in there, just of evil that I was getting up 2388 02:27:13.920 --> 02:27:19.079 from forever. He was like, all right, you know we're 2389 02:27:19.120 --> 02:27:24.200 gonna the next ceremony will be in about two hours. 2390 02:27:24.600 --> 02:27:26.920 I haven't done anything psychedelic at all. I just did 2391 02:27:26.959 --> 02:27:33.840 this and I felt like I had just been in 2392 02:27:33.879 --> 02:27:37.680 a fight with a couple of like heavyweights and I 2393 02:27:37.760 --> 02:27:41.280 lost badly. And I was like, man, I'm done with everything. 2394 02:27:41.440 --> 02:27:43.799 Like I think we're good, I'm healed. 2395 02:27:43.600 --> 02:27:45.600 I'm good. I'm not doing anything anymore. 2396 02:27:46.239 --> 02:27:51.159 And he's like, why are you here And I was like, well, 2397 02:27:52.239 --> 02:27:56.079 I'm here because I need to fix something in myself. 2398 02:27:56.120 --> 02:28:02.799 He's like, then you're gonna stay and work and I 2399 02:28:02.840 --> 02:28:04.319 was like yeah, I mean he just called me out 2400 02:28:04.319 --> 02:28:07.120 on that, so I can't say no, all right, I'm 2401 02:28:07.120 --> 02:28:11.399 gonna stay here and work. And I went and rested 2402 02:28:11.440 --> 02:28:12.319 for about two hours. 2403 02:28:12.319 --> 02:28:15.479 He called me back for my next ceremony. 2404 02:28:15.840 --> 02:28:20.079 Which is arguably one the world's most powerful psychedelic it's 2405 02:28:20.079 --> 02:28:26.879 called five DMT. It's the frog or the toad. It's 2406 02:28:26.920 --> 02:28:32.159 the Sonoran desert toad, and he excreets toxin, went scraped 2407 02:28:32.520 --> 02:28:35.360 and dried in the sun. You could smoke this. I 2408 02:28:35.399 --> 02:28:38.360 don't know who figured this out, but it's I don't know. 2409 02:28:38.440 --> 02:28:43.319 It definitely changes lives. So I'm sitting at the dude's 2410 02:28:43.319 --> 02:28:46.719 house and you take three hits of this third hit 2411 02:28:46.799 --> 02:28:48.920 is a breakthrough hit. So you take a big hit, 2412 02:28:49.040 --> 02:28:51.719 you let it out, and immediately another big one, let 2413 02:28:51.760 --> 02:28:55.159 it out, and hopefully you can get the third because 2414 02:28:55.159 --> 02:28:59.719 you're already going completely incoherent. Oh, you are catapulted into 2415 02:28:59.760 --> 02:29:04.959 the ether in milliseconds. Now what do I mean by that? 2416 02:29:05.319 --> 02:29:08.559 So the English language is difficult to it doesn't have 2417 02:29:08.600 --> 02:29:12.799 the words to describe what you're in there. I will 2418 02:29:12.840 --> 02:29:16.079 first tell you that I was dead, and I knew 2419 02:29:16.079 --> 02:29:20.079 it instantly. I was like, Ah, he didn't measure this 2420 02:29:20.120 --> 02:29:26.159 out enough. I owe deed, I'm dead. Wow, that's a 2421 02:29:26.159 --> 02:29:31.399 real disappointment that I went to Mexico and go deed 2422 02:29:31.479 --> 02:29:35.799 on drugs and that this is going to be a 2423 02:29:35.799 --> 02:29:40.520 difficult one for, you know, to explain. Now, last it 2424 02:29:40.520 --> 02:29:43.879 about thirty seconds and then I became at peace with it, 2425 02:29:45.120 --> 02:29:46.879 and I became at peace with it and I just 2426 02:29:46.959 --> 02:29:49.520 let go. And when I did, it was the most 2427 02:29:49.559 --> 02:29:54.280 profoundly beautiful experience that words can't describe that I've ever had. 2428 02:29:54.799 --> 02:29:59.520 And I say that because it was so intense with 2429 02:29:59.719 --> 02:30:06.440 just the overwhelming amount of love. And people say that 2430 02:30:06.600 --> 02:30:08.280 God is love. 2431 02:30:10.280 --> 02:30:15.000 I've been around the world and I've seen a lot 2432 02:30:15.079 --> 02:30:19.799 of stuff evil, and I'm like, God is not love. 2433 02:30:21.120 --> 02:30:27.440 Like I said, I was a pretty devout atheist the Bible. 2434 02:30:27.479 --> 02:30:28.559 None of that makes sense. 2435 02:30:32.719 --> 02:30:37.040 But when you have no body anymore because you physically 2436 02:30:38.879 --> 02:30:41.040 you think it's gone because you can't see it. Because 2437 02:30:41.079 --> 02:30:43.680 everything that's in your reality right now, you know where 2438 02:30:43.680 --> 02:30:46.680 you're at on a couch, I'm in this chair. I 2439 02:30:47.280 --> 02:30:50.040 can identify a lot of things. But when all of 2440 02:30:50.079 --> 02:30:53.440 this is completely gone and it is something completely different, 2441 02:30:53.920 --> 02:30:57.079 and then you have no concept of time or self, 2442 02:30:58.760 --> 02:31:01.040 what do you have as a landmark to. 2443 02:31:01.760 --> 02:31:05.959 Lie like a disembodied consciousness. 2444 02:31:05.120 --> 02:31:09.639 All of those landmarks are gone. Therefore you feel like 2445 02:31:09.680 --> 02:31:12.799 you cease to exist because you don't exist in this anymore. 2446 02:31:13.920 --> 02:31:18.079 And because time is now gone, you don't know if 2447 02:31:18.079 --> 02:31:21.840 you're coming back. And this is so profound. You've never 2448 02:31:21.879 --> 02:31:27.120 experienced anything like this before that, like you're convinced that, okay, 2449 02:31:27.239 --> 02:31:32.159 you've moved to another whatever the next thing is after death. 2450 02:31:35.120 --> 02:31:38.079 And so once I was convinced that, Yep, there it is. 2451 02:31:38.280 --> 02:31:41.040 I've died and I've moved on, and I felt that 2452 02:31:41.200 --> 02:31:47.120 overwhelming love the ten minutes that I was in that 2453 02:31:47.600 --> 02:31:49.920 roughly because it's very short, very short. 2454 02:31:50.120 --> 02:31:52.799 That's interesting. Both of these are like ten to fifteen minutes. 2455 02:31:52.840 --> 02:31:59.120 Yeah, yeah, So dimethyl trip to mean is very fast 2456 02:31:59.200 --> 02:32:03.799 acting when smoked, but very short half life. And that 2457 02:32:03.920 --> 02:32:07.479 ten minutes when I came out of it, I just 2458 02:32:07.520 --> 02:32:14.559 cried tears of joy, tiers of emotional. 2459 02:32:15.760 --> 02:32:16.559 Overload. 2460 02:32:18.559 --> 02:32:23.120 All of the things that I have, all of the 2461 02:32:23.159 --> 02:32:25.799 things that I've built throughout my entire life, every memory 2462 02:32:25.799 --> 02:32:29.920 that I've had, and every memory that I've forgotten. You 2463 02:32:30.040 --> 02:32:33.760 never have forgotten it. You have just put up a block, 2464 02:32:34.319 --> 02:32:37.680 right right, So, conversations that you've had, the way somebody 2465 02:32:37.719 --> 02:32:40.639 has treated you, the way that you treated other people, 2466 02:32:41.399 --> 02:32:45.639 You've built walls into your brain that have prevented you 2467 02:32:46.159 --> 02:32:48.360 because if you hold onto that memory, that's going to 2468 02:32:48.399 --> 02:32:51.159 affect you. So we put up that wall and we 2469 02:32:51.239 --> 02:32:56.159 forget about that, but it's still there. That is our 2470 02:32:56.440 --> 02:33:04.440 ego or our default mode network. And this completely eliminates 2471 02:33:05.000 --> 02:33:08.440 the default mode network. It's called ego death. That's why 2472 02:33:08.479 --> 02:33:10.239 you think you're died, because. 2473 02:33:12.079 --> 02:33:12.360 You have. 2474 02:33:14.559 --> 02:33:16.959 My heart's still beating, my lungs are still filling with air. 2475 02:33:18.440 --> 02:33:22.680 But the Kenny that I was before I took that 2476 02:33:23.239 --> 02:33:25.680 DMT is no longer here. 2477 02:33:25.840 --> 02:33:27.120 He's dead. 2478 02:33:27.840 --> 02:33:29.440 And I was able to come out the other side 2479 02:33:29.760 --> 02:33:34.440 a completely different person. And everyone that knows me will 2480 02:33:34.479 --> 02:33:35.280 tell you the same thing. 2481 02:33:36.000 --> 02:33:38.040 Is that because you were able to let go of 2482 02:33:38.079 --> 02:33:41.319 some of these past experiences or did they feel reconciled 2483 02:33:41.440 --> 02:33:43.360 like what was sort of that process? 2484 02:33:43.559 --> 02:33:52.120 Like forgiveness, really absolute and total forgiveness. This brought me 2485 02:33:52.159 --> 02:33:56.719 to faith because I sat with God and I felt 2486 02:33:56.719 --> 02:34:06.239 the love and nothing compares to it, nothing and the 2487 02:34:06.280 --> 02:34:11.280 words can't remotely I'm using a stick figure to talk 2488 02:34:11.280 --> 02:34:13.440 about the Sistine Chapel. You just can't do it. 2489 02:34:13.520 --> 02:34:14.200 Yeah, I get it. 2490 02:34:14.440 --> 02:34:19.799 And that feeling then opened up my consciousness and opened 2491 02:34:19.879 --> 02:34:22.719 up it gave me a big peek behind the curtain 2492 02:34:23.360 --> 02:34:26.399 so that I could understand what else is going on 2493 02:34:26.600 --> 02:34:29.920 right out there and how little do I actually know? 2494 02:34:31.360 --> 02:34:35.000 And I know nothing, but I do know now that 2495 02:34:35.040 --> 02:34:38.239 there's so much more, and I've seen it. I can't 2496 02:34:38.239 --> 02:34:40.000 tell you about it because I don't. It's like having 2497 02:34:40.000 --> 02:34:41.840 a very vivid dream. As soon as you wake up, 2498 02:34:41.840 --> 02:34:44.559 you're like something like an alligator was chased me. 2499 02:34:44.639 --> 02:34:47.719 But then I was on the top of the building. 2500 02:34:49.079 --> 02:34:53.120 But it was so vivid fifteen minutes ago. It's like 2501 02:34:53.200 --> 02:34:56.159 that I knew everything, but now I don't. 2502 02:34:56.840 --> 02:35:00.680 And there was like one more step in this journey, 2503 02:35:00.719 --> 02:35:02.239 wasn't there that he had you do? 2504 02:35:02.639 --> 02:35:10.399 So after that the next night was ayahuasca. So Ayahuasca, 2505 02:35:10.639 --> 02:35:16.239 just like the five meo DMT is DMT so. Ayahuasca 2506 02:35:16.319 --> 02:35:19.479 is an ancient brew. It's been used for over fifteen 2507 02:35:19.520 --> 02:35:26.239 hundred years and it's a Peruvian Colombian jungle medicine. It 2508 02:35:26.319 --> 02:35:32.360 grows in the Amazon. It's a plant that it's actually 2509 02:35:32.360 --> 02:35:37.319 two plants, so it contains it. There's a Chakrouna leaf 2510 02:35:37.680 --> 02:35:41.440 is primarily the leaf that's used in the making of ayahuasca. 2511 02:35:41.520 --> 02:35:44.799 The chacrona leaf is rich with DMT dimethyl trip. To 2512 02:35:44.840 --> 02:35:49.040 mean if you were to ingest dimethyl trip, I mean 2513 02:35:49.079 --> 02:35:52.479 you just eat the leaf. Nothing's gonna happen because your 2514 02:35:52.479 --> 02:35:57.639 body has got monoamine oxidase. That monoamine oxidase breaks down 2515 02:35:57.799 --> 02:36:01.200 the DMT before it can do any psychoactive effect on it. 2516 02:36:01.799 --> 02:36:04.680 So then you have to combine that with a vine. Now, 2517 02:36:04.840 --> 02:36:09.200 the banisterius cappy vine is also grown locally to Peru, 2518 02:36:10.000 --> 02:36:12.639 and you chop down a section of that and beat 2519 02:36:12.680 --> 02:36:16.200 that into submission, and then you put apoll of leaves 2520 02:36:16.559 --> 02:36:19.319 and some of the vine and you boil that for 2521 02:36:19.639 --> 02:36:22.719 twelve to twenty four hours and it comes out with 2522 02:36:22.799 --> 02:36:28.319 it as a te Now, when you ingest about a 2523 02:36:28.479 --> 02:36:33.239 shot like the shot glass, you will start to feel 2524 02:36:33.280 --> 02:36:37.079 some effects in about an hour the second shot glass. 2525 02:36:37.559 --> 02:36:42.719 That's when things get interesting. That's when things get a 2526 02:36:42.760 --> 02:36:43.280 lot of fun. 2527 02:36:46.040 --> 02:36:47.239 Ayahuasca is. 2528 02:36:49.079 --> 02:36:53.120 Unlike iba gain, which is now what we're pushing for 2529 02:36:53.200 --> 02:36:55.879 psychedelic research. It was just signed a few months ago 2530 02:36:56.000 --> 02:37:01.479 into legislation to advance the research on that. That's got 2531 02:37:01.479 --> 02:37:04.040 some cardiac difficulties. It can put a little bit of 2532 02:37:04.079 --> 02:37:07.120 strain on your heart, and you know, you're pushing fifty 2533 02:37:07.239 --> 02:37:08.719 guys in their early fifties. 2534 02:37:09.840 --> 02:37:11.079 I'm uncomfortable doing that. 2535 02:37:11.159 --> 02:37:16.120 It requires doctors, nurses, a whole staff. Ayahuasca is much safer, 2536 02:37:16.959 --> 02:37:21.280 a lot safer. So this is done in the jungle setting. Now, 2537 02:37:21.280 --> 02:37:24.239 when I did ayahuasca with that shaman, it wasn't Ata's 2538 02:37:24.280 --> 02:37:26.680 house because this is not something. 2539 02:37:26.399 --> 02:37:27.680 That you do like. 2540 02:37:27.760 --> 02:37:29.079 You know, if I come over your house, we can 2541 02:37:29.120 --> 02:37:31.280 smoke a little week and watch some TV. That's cool. 2542 02:37:31.440 --> 02:37:33.079 You're not going to do that with an ayahuasca. This 2543 02:37:33.159 --> 02:37:36.479 is not It's not a party drug at all. This 2544 02:37:36.680 --> 02:37:42.079 is structured. People think this very seriously. Weeks ahead of time, 2545 02:37:42.280 --> 02:37:45.920 with a proper diet and take not eating red meat, 2546 02:37:46.079 --> 02:37:51.200 substaining from sex, no alcohol, social media, staying away from 2547 02:37:51.200 --> 02:37:54.040 that stuff for a few days. You really put fourth 2548 02:37:54.079 --> 02:37:57.559 all of this energy into respecting the medicine. And then 2549 02:37:57.600 --> 02:37:59.840 when you go down to the jungle where I went, 2550 02:38:00.040 --> 02:38:02.280 We went deep into the jungle and it's just you 2551 02:38:02.399 --> 02:38:05.680 and the shaman and the fire and the jungle, and 2552 02:38:05.719 --> 02:38:09.639 then this medicine will talk to you. Now, ayahuasca is 2553 02:38:09.639 --> 02:38:13.159 gonna last for about four to six hours, so when 2554 02:38:13.200 --> 02:38:15.040 you could buy that vine in there that's got the 2555 02:38:15.040 --> 02:38:19.239 monominoxidase inhibitor will allow you to do that. So what 2556 02:38:19.360 --> 02:38:27.200 I brought for you today is the ayahuasca vine. 2557 02:38:27.319 --> 02:38:31.040 Oh wow, thank you and so what is this. 2558 02:38:31.639 --> 02:38:35.719 So that is the vine that it's an actual vine 2559 02:38:35.719 --> 02:38:39.079 that's lacquered. But that vine, you would take a section 2560 02:38:39.799 --> 02:38:44.559 maybe about three feet, and you would take a wooden 2561 02:38:44.559 --> 02:38:47.520 mallet and you will beat that, make it all nice 2562 02:38:47.520 --> 02:38:49.559 and flat, and you will put it in a big 2563 02:38:49.600 --> 02:38:52.600 giant tub of boiling water with a big pile of 2564 02:38:52.639 --> 02:38:57.520 the chikuna leaf. That is what keeps the body from okay, 2565 02:38:58.200 --> 02:38:59.360 breaking down the DMT. 2566 02:39:02.040 --> 02:39:05.559 So that's the difference between the first time you're smoking 2567 02:39:05.639 --> 02:39:08.040 d MT the second time you're ingesting. 2568 02:39:07.680 --> 02:39:10.360 It correct where you're drinking it, it's different. You have 2569 02:39:10.399 --> 02:39:12.840 to have the vine attached to it so that it can. 2570 02:39:13.120 --> 02:39:21.399 The body breaking right. Right. Yeah, and people have a 2571 02:39:21.399 --> 02:39:25.879 lot of similar results. Results may vary, but they're all 2572 02:39:26.000 --> 02:39:28.520 very similar, similar experiences. Yeah. 2573 02:39:28.559 --> 02:39:33.360 So I've I've worked with over sixty veterans just this year. 2574 02:39:35.799 --> 02:39:39.840 We've I've worked with some high ranking veterans. I've worked 2575 02:39:39.879 --> 02:39:43.920 with veterans with severe alcohol problems. I've worked with guys 2576 02:39:43.920 --> 02:39:45.600 that have been going to the VA and they can 2577 02:39:45.680 --> 02:39:50.239 put on a laundry list of medications to include Zoloft 2578 02:39:50.479 --> 02:39:54.079 two hundred milligrams. It's like the must ill prescribed daily 2579 02:39:54.879 --> 02:39:56.840 you get on two hundred milligrams a day for a 2580 02:39:56.840 --> 02:40:02.639 few years, that's your daily regiment. I have taken guys 2581 02:40:02.680 --> 02:40:05.879 on a structured retreat, two nights of ayahuasca ceremony with 2582 02:40:05.920 --> 02:40:10.719 several other things in a four day weekend, and no 2583 02:40:10.840 --> 02:40:15.079 longer on those types of medications. They take cannabis for 2584 02:40:15.159 --> 02:40:17.879 anxiety and sleep. They don't do that anymore. Their gummies 2585 02:40:17.879 --> 02:40:22.360 are gone. Guys that were drinking nearly every day, no drinking. 2586 02:40:22.520 --> 02:40:25.719 I haven't touched a drop of alcohol since, not since 2587 02:40:25.719 --> 02:40:26.440 my first ceremony. 2588 02:40:26.440 --> 02:40:26.920 I haven't touched. 2589 02:40:29.000 --> 02:40:34.440 And I've done I do ceremonies with I take guys 2590 02:40:34.479 --> 02:40:37.239 down through the jungle because you know I said, I 2591 02:40:37.280 --> 02:40:39.360 went down to Mexico. I looked up a guy on 2592 02:40:39.399 --> 02:40:42.879 the internet. So since then, I've done a lot more research. 2593 02:40:43.559 --> 02:40:51.159 I've gone shaman hopping, and I've found some amazing proving 2594 02:40:51.239 --> 02:40:54.000 shamans that I've been working with repeatedly over and over. 2595 02:40:54.440 --> 02:40:59.159 I've got a beautiful sanctuary in Guatemala, up near Antigua 2596 02:40:59.520 --> 02:41:03.239 by Vulcan de Fuego. It's the most active volcano. Yes, 2597 02:41:03.319 --> 02:41:06.639 active is about fifteen times a day that volcano is 2598 02:41:06.639 --> 02:41:08.040 going to go off and we're at the base of it, 2599 02:41:08.639 --> 02:41:12.840 out of lava reach, but that's pretty intense. So you're 2600 02:41:12.879 --> 02:41:16.159 in the jungle at the base of active volcano. It's 2601 02:41:16.200 --> 02:41:21.120 two am, and ayahuasca is showing you all this love 2602 02:41:21.399 --> 02:41:23.840 and Mother Nature is showing Mother Nature's showing you all 2603 02:41:23.840 --> 02:41:26.719 the power. It doesn't get any better than that. 2604 02:41:27.280 --> 02:41:28.719 And this is way point six. 2605 02:41:28.799 --> 02:41:33.200 Now, way point six. I decided that I wasn't the. 2606 02:41:33.159 --> 02:41:35.319 Only one that needed some kind of help. 2607 02:41:36.280 --> 02:41:40.239 And people aren't going to just look look up on 2608 02:41:40.280 --> 02:41:42.520 the internet and find a random dude that's going to 2609 02:41:42.600 --> 02:41:46.639 serve them, you know, plant medicine and feel comfortable doing that. 2610 02:41:47.360 --> 02:41:50.399 So I thought it was a good idea for me 2611 02:41:50.719 --> 02:41:55.559 to help guys and be the liaison for that. Right 2612 02:41:55.600 --> 02:41:58.360 And I say, hey, Jack, you know he's struggling you. 2613 02:41:59.520 --> 02:42:02.680 Let's talk about this. Hey man, I'm working with plant Medicine. 2614 02:42:03.040 --> 02:42:05.559 Are you available next month? Man, I'm gonna take you 2615 02:42:05.600 --> 02:42:09.239 down there with me, and you're gonna feel a lot 2616 02:42:09.239 --> 02:42:12.040 more comfortable if we approach it that way, right then, 2617 02:42:12.520 --> 02:42:17.559 you just right, So then I'll take a small group 2618 02:42:17.959 --> 02:42:20.559 and I'm gonna take you down there. I'm gonna put 2619 02:42:20.639 --> 02:42:22.079 you through the whole retreat I'm going to do it 2620 02:42:22.120 --> 02:42:25.440 with you, and that's how we're going to do things. 2621 02:42:25.799 --> 02:42:30.000 And yeah, speaking of which you want to go. 2622 02:42:31.200 --> 02:42:34.280 I think I ought to at this point, Like I've 2623 02:42:34.600 --> 02:42:36.920 talked to so many veterans that have been through the 2624 02:42:36.959 --> 02:42:39.879 process and speak so highly of it, like, probably I 2625 02:42:39.879 --> 02:42:41.600 should give it a shot myself. 2626 02:42:43.159 --> 02:42:47.399 I don't put as much energy into the things that 2627 02:42:47.440 --> 02:42:49.879 shouldn't bother me like I used to. I used to, 2628 02:42:49.879 --> 02:42:52.319 and that would give me anxiety, right, and then that. 2629 02:42:52.319 --> 02:42:55.319 Would you feel more focused? It would upset me. 2630 02:42:55.440 --> 02:42:59.479 I would get angry, and yeah, this like those things 2631 02:42:59.479 --> 02:43:05.360 don't matter. I've seen what matters, and you can't unsee it. 2632 02:43:05.399 --> 02:43:08.680 Although I can't describe it to you, I can't unsee it. 2633 02:43:09.520 --> 02:43:13.479 That's weird, I get it. But it's the most profound 2634 02:43:13.559 --> 02:43:18.200 thing that ever happened to me. And I just want 2635 02:43:18.200 --> 02:43:18.600 to share it. 2636 02:43:18.600 --> 02:43:21.959 With the world. And you know, speaking of which, where 2637 02:43:22.000 --> 02:43:24.520 people where can people go to find a Way point six? 2638 02:43:25.120 --> 02:43:28.719 So waypoint the number six dot com? 2639 02:43:29.840 --> 02:43:30.799 Okay, that's easy enough. 2640 02:43:30.879 --> 02:43:35.639 Waypoints six dot com And uh yeah, they can go 2641 02:43:35.680 --> 02:43:40.879 on there and and send out an email and usually 2642 02:43:40.879 --> 02:43:41.799 it's gonna be me calling. 2643 02:43:43.079 --> 02:43:45.159 And you've been doing this like once a month. 2644 02:43:45.159 --> 02:43:48.879 You're saying, I've been going at times twice a month. Okay, 2645 02:43:50.120 --> 02:43:52.280 but yeah, at least every month. 2646 02:43:52.159 --> 02:43:53.000 So you're in demand. 2647 02:43:53.719 --> 02:43:57.399 We uh, yeah, we're we're pretty booked up at least 2648 02:43:57.600 --> 02:44:02.280 for a couple of months out, but which is sometimes like, hey, 2649 02:44:02.280 --> 02:44:05.559 I'll run an extra one this month because. 2650 02:44:07.680 --> 02:44:08.479 I'm not going to call. 2651 02:44:08.399 --> 02:44:14.040 Out any other organizations on your show. I applied to 2652 02:44:14.079 --> 02:44:17.760 an organization. This is why I went on the internet 2653 02:44:19.520 --> 02:44:22.319 and found my own guy. Because I applied to an organization, 2654 02:44:22.760 --> 02:44:25.879 nobody got back to me. I get it like a 2655 02:44:25.920 --> 02:44:29.079 day or two or three or a week. So I 2656 02:44:29.079 --> 02:44:32.159 found my own guy. I went, I handled myself. 2657 02:44:33.920 --> 02:44:34.159 I went. 2658 02:44:34.239 --> 02:44:39.040 I found another guy later, and I was like, oh, 2659 02:44:39.079 --> 02:44:41.399 this shaman is the best, this sanctuary is great. 2660 02:44:42.520 --> 02:44:47.760 Moving in, we're gonna start working, and started getting into 2661 02:44:47.799 --> 02:44:50.879 a kind of a rhythm and already taken somebody down there. 2662 02:44:51.399 --> 02:44:56.920 And then that organization finally messaged me like it's been 2663 02:44:56.959 --> 02:45:01.920 a few months. Not only did I self medicate right right, 2664 02:45:02.239 --> 02:45:05.440 but I found the beauty in it and I found 2665 02:45:06.079 --> 02:45:08.840 how amazing it was with my results. I've been taking 2666 02:45:09.799 --> 02:45:13.879 guys down there to get this for themselves, and they 2667 02:45:13.879 --> 02:45:16.360 were like, oh, man, that's terrific, you know, great, But 2668 02:45:17.239 --> 02:45:19.719 that was the old ideas, Like they didn't even contact 2669 02:45:19.760 --> 02:45:24.280 me for such a long time, and then when they did, 2670 02:45:24.879 --> 02:45:28.079 before I actually came out and told them it was 2671 02:45:28.159 --> 02:45:32.040 going to be thousands of dollars and I had to 2672 02:45:32.040 --> 02:45:33.840 do it, you know, like, hey, we can do it 2673 02:45:33.840 --> 02:45:36.120 next month. It's gonna be thousands of dollars. But if 2674 02:45:36.120 --> 02:45:38.239 you wait, you know, we might be able to get 2675 02:45:38.239 --> 02:45:40.959 it sponsored. So then I've been reaching out. 2676 02:45:41.799 --> 02:45:44.440 I understand that they're maybe busy. Right, this is the 2677 02:45:44.440 --> 02:45:48.239 same complaint that we have had of veterans affairs, that 2678 02:45:48.319 --> 02:45:50.440 you're on this wait list for nine months, and during 2679 02:45:50.440 --> 02:45:54.120 that time period, the guy's self medicating and doing stuff 2680 02:45:54.159 --> 02:45:56.079 that's gonna hurt, if not kill himself. 2681 02:45:56.200 --> 02:45:59.879 Yeah, So I wanted to make my effort to be 2682 02:46:01.079 --> 02:46:03.840 I want to contact you immediately, like if you send 2683 02:46:03.879 --> 02:46:06.879 a message, if you're on the website and you're like, hey, 2684 02:46:07.559 --> 02:46:10.559 more information apply. I want to get back with you 2685 02:46:10.600 --> 02:46:15.120 within like a day or two. And then I want 2686 02:46:15.120 --> 02:46:19.120 to be able to get you somewhere. Let's do it 2687 02:46:19.239 --> 02:46:22.040 like in a month or within the month. Here's the 2688 02:46:22.040 --> 02:46:24.159 next available one. If I get too many people, I'm 2689 02:46:24.159 --> 02:46:26.760 gonna run another one. I don't want guys waiting for 2690 02:46:26.840 --> 02:46:31.079 months on end. And then another thing that I wanted 2691 02:46:31.120 --> 02:46:35.120 to do slightly differently is that a lot of these 2692 02:46:35.239 --> 02:46:38.879 organizations that are working with psychedelic medicine, which thank goodness, 2693 02:46:38.879 --> 02:46:40.760 there's so many of them that are out there, and 2694 02:46:40.760 --> 02:46:46.319 then it's becoming so much more you know, mainstream, that 2695 02:46:47.440 --> 02:46:49.959 it gives veterans lots of opportunities to do that. There's 2696 02:46:50.000 --> 02:46:54.959 so many of these places catering specifically to special operations, 2697 02:46:56.239 --> 02:47:00.000 which great. You know, I did a lot of time. 2698 02:47:00.000 --> 02:47:02.399 I was a special operations guy. All my friends were 2699 02:47:02.840 --> 02:47:04.120 you know, soft guys. 2700 02:47:05.399 --> 02:47:08.319 But they're not the only ones that are in the 2701 02:47:08.360 --> 02:47:13.159 mental fight. There's a lot of guys that are, you know, 2702 02:47:13.360 --> 02:47:17.040 Marines in Fallujah. It's not special operations. Those dudes were 2703 02:47:17.079 --> 02:47:20.600 just out there kicking in every single door as dudes 2704 02:47:20.639 --> 02:47:24.920 in the regular military units, whether that's tenth Mountain, one 2705 02:47:24.959 --> 02:47:27.520 hundred and first and the eighty second whatever, and they're 2706 02:47:27.600 --> 02:47:34.079 getting bona by IDs, they're taking RPGs, they're getting shot, they're. 2707 02:47:33.120 --> 02:47:34.040 In there doing it. 2708 02:47:34.079 --> 02:47:38.079 They're in the mix, but they don't get the same 2709 02:47:38.200 --> 02:47:42.239 kind of credibility because they're not a soft unit guy. 2710 02:47:43.440 --> 02:47:47.360 So we wanted to we wanted to get away from 2711 02:47:47.360 --> 02:47:50.479 that and open this up to all veterans that need it. 2712 02:47:51.479 --> 02:47:52.319 Yeah that's awesome. 2713 02:47:52.479 --> 02:47:54.559 Yeah, not Coast Guard, all veterans. 2714 02:47:54.600 --> 02:48:00.200 So, uh well, thank you for sharing your story, sorry 2715 02:48:00.280 --> 02:48:02.639 with us, Kenny and setting this whole thing up boy 2716 02:48:02.680 --> 02:48:08.200 point six and find out here to do this interview. Yeah, 2717 02:48:08.399 --> 02:48:11.799 it's a lot to think about. Is there anything else 2718 02:48:11.840 --> 02:48:14.159 that you want to talk about before we get going tonight? 2719 02:48:15.680 --> 02:48:17.639 I don't know, man, I think that's it. Yeah, we 2720 02:48:17.760 --> 02:48:19.879 talked about a lot and you got me Well, like 2721 02:48:19.920 --> 02:48:21.280 you said, I mean, maybe you've got to go and 2722 02:48:21.319 --> 02:48:25.319 experience it. From here you can describe it. Yeah. 2723 02:48:25.399 --> 02:48:28.239 Yeah, you just gotta go. You go with an open 2724 02:48:28.319 --> 02:48:32.479 mind and an open heart, and you'll come back and 2725 02:48:32.520 --> 02:48:33.280 you'll move differently. 2726 02:48:34.760 --> 02:48:37.680 Everyone out there, thank you for joining us tonight and 2727 02:48:38.200 --> 02:49:00.120 we will see all of you next week. Thank you.