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last episode just a getting older. Time moves in mysterious ways,
being busy. If you got kids out there, you understand.
I just feel like it's just time saying time warp. Luckily,
lots of good things happening. Had a good weekend, uh
with the kiddos. Busy weekend at times as well too,
but uh yeah, it's been uh a name today. And
to get the twins one year shots yikes, four needles
into a one year old times two not fun. Luckily,
they're very happy in the morning and they took up
mints and they're very happy after. But during no, no, no,
not not so much. The first two not as bad.
At first one barely feel it. Second one, Okay, there's
some pain. But when they see three and four coming,
they know, especially said poor said. She's saying that she's
sitting there watching Valerie. She goes to them all like
she didn't no, no, but she knew enough, like, Okay,
some bad stuff's about to happen to me, what's happened
to my sister? But uh yeah, so that's why a
little later I didn't know time and whatnot. And yeah,
it's gonna be kind of a weird week this week
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I going to do here? So I got snives out
tomorrow and then Stranger Things is Wednesday, I guess at night,
and I guess I am seeing Zutobious. I'm not sure
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Told You is Monday to Wednesday, eleven am PSD as
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don't know, but I'm gonna the next episode will be
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it or they don't have the time like Taylor, so
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where this week kind of all over. This one I
wasn't sure when it was gonna happen, and then the
next one will happen maybe even like Wednesday night. If
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So just look out. There will be a review for
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I'll do some sort of new like a Trash Told
You bonus addition or something like that. But I don't
think there's gonna be I think obviously, you know, shout
to all the American listeners. You guys got your Thanksgiving
coming up, so I imagine because that news is gonna
go pretty quiet. I feel like for like lunch for
lunch for for Christmas, it usually does it as well too.
So we're in the big time where we're gonna get
lots of trailers. We're gonna get lots of news that
we'll talk today about Wicked box Office. But for news,
I like it's gonna quiet down. But we'll be there.
With the Video Game Awards coming up to that should
be a good time, and I'll be on the predictions.
I'm hoping to be on the actual cast. But as
I've talked about before, Nutcracker, Gwen, just multiple days a week,
just taking up so good times. But uh yeah, today
just one topic. We're talking Wicked, we're talking the movie
because I did actually see it. Didn't think I was
going to, but I did see it. What was I
gonna say? Uh, So, if you've not seen the movie,
I will talk about the box office first, and then
I'm gonna talk about a non spoils review and then'
we gonna do a sporis review. This is not gonna
be a big in depth or anything like that, So
the sports view will be the last thing. If you
want to. You can bow at that point if you're
planning on seeing it at any point, And I'll get
into some of my thoughts there because I did see
it with the girls and uh yeah, which was I
knew the reason I took them early becuse I was like, oh,
they're gonna get asked that logan first. Uh went to
drop profit school and two of her friends age you
see you see Wicked and they started talking about that,
so was fun. So I was glad to be able
to do that with them. But yeah, we'll get right
down to the box As far as Wicked having a
massive weekend here coming in at one hundred and forty
seven million dollars, uh second biggest box office of the
year or story opening of the year. Just behind Minecraft
and then second biggest universe of all time beat Super Marios. Ok,
there you go, not too bad or wait, whit is
it here? Oh? It's actually oh, because that's why it
came a little lower. That's why, so it came a
little The actuals came in lower. So top five universal
three day a weekening of all time goes Jurassic World, Dress,
the World Fall, and Kingdom Jesus, uh, Furious seven and
Wicked for good. So Mario to take the four slots.
So not too shabby obviously, and that's why too. Like
we talk about with Mario, people thinking you might could
do lower, like I could see, it's still also doing
bigger like Wicked did right and Wicked huge jump from
where is it here? The percentage of thirty thirty percent
glow up from wickeds one hundred and twelve and that's
someone's article. I'm not putting glow up there from one
hundred and twelve point five million dollars opening pretty good.
Now where's it gonna land? I guess some other things
too that I thought was good here. Uh for top
set opening weekends post COVID, this ranks at number eight.
It goes Leland Stitch, Super Mario, Wicked for Good, Inside Out, Barbie, Minecraft,
Will Coon Forever, Multi Verus, Madness, did Pu, Wolverine, Speradman,
NOI Home. Pretty good for those other ones too. I
know they're like it's top ten post COVID, but still
a little in Switch Mario Wicked for Good, Inside Out too,
Barbie newer ones that are getting past these one hundred
and forty millions. So again, box office can struggle at times,
but still seems like we got some big stuff there.
I think there's a lot more disappointment nowadays, and I'm
not surprised, per se. I thought it would be. Like
I've said this before, the box office is kind of
all over nowadays of what's gonna do good, what's not
gonna do good? I really don't know it, like I know,
for the most part, like I got a general idea, right,
just like the idea of how well it's gonna do
or how bad it's gonna do. Right. I feel like
it's at a while wild west. And with this one,
we talked about the newscast, I said, if it were
to hit a billion, wouldn't surprise me if it were
to finish exactly where the first one did wouldn't surprise
me at all. Mike says, tenth highest preview of all time.
So there you go, which is pretty good all time.
That's pretty good, which makes sense because I feel and
that's my thing where I am interested. I still think
this is going to do better than the first one.
But I think where I landed on the newscast was
like same, Bullpark, are a little bit better because also
you have sorry, I gonna change this. There we go,
give me some more light in my god. You have
Zutopia right on the way, which is tracking really well,
which again I could lea the guy's in the newest
cast go back thinking it wasn't It's like, no, no Zutopia.
Tato's the things that Duopia two is being Avatar, and
there's some movie bets going on about that. The coward
wouldn't accept a pizza bet. You know you're scared, but
you have that and then you have Avatar. Right, So
those are two big head honchos coming out, gonna take
up a lot of real estate. Especially think z Utopia,
Like I think in a world where where it's Thanksgiving
or Christmas, if you're going to see a family movie,
I feel like Wicked wins out over Avatar. I think
Avatar just has like a lot of big fans of
the Nauvey and Pandora and the foreign market, right, so
it has lots of big fans of that. But I
still feel like if you're looking at the family movie
with Ava or z Utopia versus Wicked, Wicked probably wins
out a bit more because, like just because or sorry no,
Zutopia wins out a bit more just because if you
have young people in there, you might not want to risk,
especially if it's like a darker one. So I still
feel like that's gonna hurt it a little bit. And
I do think word of mouth, which I'll talk about
with my review. I think that the few people I've
talked to other Mike, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I
saw your letter box the five and five, But the
people that I have in my circles or my sister, like,
I feel like the general sensus not as good as
the first, right, and eventually that will spread. You'll have
people that go for repeat viewings and really want to
see it. But I think that the the thing that
Wicked one had was a lot of trepidation of Okay,
they're gonna pull this off. And then all I heard
was good word of mouth, right, and even myself, I
know interest in Wicked, didn't enjoy those trailers, said okay,
and even some of the look of the movie, I
don't think it looks to grace, but look on papers, Okay,
I don't think this is gonna be something for me.
It's gonna look kind of more like I'm the just
box office slop, like just putting out a big poplar
brand and oh, hang on, oh a couple good neck
cracks there. I feel like people that did not weren't
that excited for it either loved it or got really
excited or enjoyed it. And I was in't that camp too.
I didn't see in theaters. I saw it after the fact.
First time I saw it, I fell a sleep. The
first fifteen minutes is you know, lots of sing musical guy,
so I always say that, right, But then when I
actually sat down and watched it with the girls, I
did enjoy it. I did like it way more than
I thought I was going to write where I don't
feel like that's the sense. It's also tough when you
come out as like a surprise, right, I like, there's
tons of people that other than actually my mom, my
mom was excited for Wicked Saw it's like, I cannot
see that second one. But other than that person, it's
tough to have kind of that surprise, and then a
lot of people go out for it, and then the
second one you can't almost resurprise them because they're expecting
to be surprised, but there's no surprising war right, So
it's that sort of sense. Mike says, less compe to
this competition than last year, though, really more than let's
see Avatar and Utopia, I feel like, are pretty pretty big.
I'd have to see let me see what came out
in the fall or did did we get a c
in the fall? Right? Let me take a look here,
so we get came out? Uh not Wicked Little Letters,
that's something else. So Wicked Yeah, okay, part one. So Gladiator,
which should that to me was not competition Maana two Okay,
that that is, And I'd say, well that's tough though,
right because ma Wana two in retrospect was big competition.
But it's the same thing as Utopia, where it felt like, okay,
what's it gonna be? It's been so long. But also
I still feel like Zutopia is bigger because Utopia was
a billion dollar movie and Moana one wasn't. Right, so
I still put Utopia over Mawana two. And then in December,
what we got here for showing page will just work
with me? Here? Uh you got night Bitch, you got
wear wolves y two k you got Craven the Hunter,
and uh Lord of the Rings were here him and
then okay, so you do have Lion King and Sonic.
I guess the good thing for that though, and why
I think it's a little different though, Mike is because Utopia, Well,
I guessm Wana was right away, right, it was Mowana
the week after or a couple of weeks. No, it
was right after. It's honestly, it's pretty It's pretty similar
and at the same point though, even though Lion Cake
did become a big movie, I still think lyonk Avatar
is bigger than Craven, Lord of the Rings, Sonic, and
Lion King all put the So I think I still
give the edge this year because I thinks UTOPI is
a little bigger than a Moana and a Vtar is
bigger than all those. But I think that I think
they're comparable. Mike thinks Theman two crowd dips into the
Wicked crowd more. Uh, I don't know. I think other
than just singing, I don't. I think Utopia Moan are
pretty comparable, you know, Like, I know there is songs
and singing, so I guess you got that. But lying
I think Lion King I agree with you, mufass, So
I think that dips into it more. I think that
just feels more of a big musical, which I know
like Moana has that aspect, but I just feel like
there is a just more of the animated, you know,
all I want to see cute being one a sister,
I want to see who like. I feel like it
dips into more of that type of stuff, right, But mufass,
i'd give you so. But I actually think they're pretty
they're pretty comparable because I think Avatar, for obviously it's
not a musical and doesn't dip in that crowd. It
just gets a lot of ga people, right. There could
be a lot of people going if they are thinking
about which one they're gonna see, and they hear a
lot a lot of Wicked's not as good as the
first one. Well, maybe I'm gonna wait to see The
Blue People after. I'm very excited to see how it does,
because I'm not excited for that movie. But I think
Taylor is right in one sense where not that it's
gonna Zutopia two is gonna beat it, but in the
sense that the second one did have a special It's
been a long time right where now it is only
two three years later, right, kind of that has worn off.
The thing is, though, if people love that second one,
they will come back, right. So I think this is
a good test. I still think it's going to do
lower than Avatar two, but my feelings haven't changed. I
feel like with Wicked it's gonna end up. The last
one was what like six forty six or seven forty
seven to sixty. I feel still think it's gonna get
into like that. I still think eight hundred is possible.
I don't think nine hundred is because I I don't
think it. I like to give my thoughts. I did
not like it nearly as much as one. My kids
did not like it as much as one. I'm interesting because
I gotta go see it again. They both said that
they enjoyed the first one a lot more. They mostly
said because the songs, but I could just tell in general,
and it is darker to an extent, but it is darker,
so it does you know. At the same time, though,
Oppenheimer and Game are also exclusive or examples of darker,
big movies that do well. Right, So if it's dark
and it even returned the King, if it's dark but
still plays well with his base audience, you're fine. You
don't really have to worry about it. So to me,
I think it just comes more down to the qual
of the oven. We'll have to see, But I just
don't think that Buzz is going to be there like
the first one and even for the Oscars too. Like
I know, I know Mike and other people. You guys
are on the like Badwa are on a winning I
could see her again, nomb I don't think she's winning.
That I don't think this movie's getting Best Picture nomination.
And that's where I can transition into my review that, yeah,
I did not really enjoy this movie, and I don't
know if I was, and I don't think it is.
But maybe I'm an example of you know, I don't
have much excitement for that first one I watched it.
I'm surprised, but even at that point, I watched it
months later, right, So it's I was expecting to Okay,
a lot of people really liked it. So it's almost
like you're expecting that hype. Right. We've talked about before
where you get overhyped or expectations can get to you.
So I would have thought, oh, lots of people have
talked this up. I've seen Taylor good at five out
of five. You know, I don't think I'm gonna think
it's that hot shit right now. Granted I don't think
it's as good as that, but I do. I still
really enjoyed it, right, great songs, great performances. I think
the movie, like I said, does not look the greatest.
I think there's certain elements that I don't enjoy from
this and the second part, and that's where, oh what
happens in the play. That's fine. Then it's me critique
to play same way as a book, same as a
comic book. That's where it goes. So I never want
people use that as a crutch for my any critiques
I have for it here as far as the second part,
so the first one did surprise me. I did enjoy
I was like a seven point five eight somewhere in
there where this I was very close to failing it.
There is one reveal near the end this movie, I'm sorry, Mike,
you're still in the chat? How are you listening to
this after? You're gonna hate me saying this? And this
movie felt like this a few times. There's some like
rise of Skywalker isms in this movie where there's just reveals,
revelations or twin it's that don't feel earned whatsoever. They
just feel like out of the blue work. Especially one twist.
I was like, this can't be real right, Like just
the way they show it in the movie, this can't
be real right. And I search it up and it's like, oh,
this plays a big, a huge plot point in the
play in the book, I'm a huge plot point, like
you like, like what's happening there? Like I don't like huge,
So I think for me, there's some of that, And
there's also somewhere it's tough because it is darker, but
it feels like they try to dip into it. And
I'm sure it might even play better as a play
because you're at the crowd and the audience and feeling
some laughter. But I feel like there's times where it
tries to be kind of lighthearted and fun like that
first one, but it comes off as like mindcrafty in
a way. And I hate saying that, but there's at
times the movie feels very childish, where to me, the
first one plays like that, and that's completely fine because
it's like that classic Force Awakens and I guess make
a lot of the Star warsm there's no Last Jedi comparison,
I guess here, so just Force Awakens and the right
Skywalker or where you're meeting new characters, you're meeting new worlds,
you're falling in love with everybody, You're you know, fearing
the new things that come in, all the stuff that
they set up. They do that well. But even then,
I feel there's moments where like the like the even
just the scene alone right like Wicked the first when
I'm multiple moments or so I like this, I like
this taking defying gravity out the scene where Glinda dances
with Alba Faugh and and sorry if I excuse that
name wrong, because I on purpose say it to trigger
my girl. So now I'm I like like a Mendela
effect myself. But when they dance and there's this great
moment of like man like the bonding the French, and
she puts herself out there. There's nothing like that in
this But that's where even then there's still the shit
hasn't dropped yet. In Wicked Part one, right, you're kind
of seeing everything. So at the end of that, when
you get defying gravity and you literally yet her in
the air and she's staring down the Wizard, it feels
like it's on. It feels like it's on for the
first twenty minutes of this movie. But then and this
is like, I'm not gonna specific events, so luckily, like
if anything really spoilery, I will wait till the end.
But characters like Alpha, I think, kind of lose her
agency in this, Like it doesn't feel like the threat
or that moment of defying gravity. It's the hydrogen bomb
versus coughing baby thing. The person she is in Wicked
Part too doesn't feel like that all. And I'm not
saying she should be Wicked or the film even though
this is mind sports. She gets this whole sequence, this
whole song, and I don't know, Mike, you can let
me know if this is in the play or not.
It's with her and the monkeys, and she's saying she's
gonna do no good whatsoever. She's just gonna be bad
and do bad stuff because the world's hurt her so much. Right,
that does not happen. Like I'm sitting here, I'm like, oh,
this is how we get there? Right? Because that was
the joke for Peel that, like myself not seeing the
play off the sister her. How do we get from
this very nice person who's it's an algoryth for racism, right,
how do we get from this person who's trying to
do good, might have an additude, but a deserved attitude.
How do we get from there to house falling on
her and trying to kill Dorothy and a little dog
and all this stuff? Like how do we get from
there there? And there's a part where I'm like, Okay,
I can see why we are going this route. It's
a bit of a leap. That's original a movie and
scene for the song. Okay, yeah, to me, it did
not play well for the story that followed that. I
also think Glynn had one too, where I'll talk about
that in Spoils. But she had a song and that
one I think is from the play where it's this
big moment of her sing about something, but then the
next scene it kind of contradicts the way she's acting.
So I think that's the thing where there's certain character
changes or there's just certain decisions that happen, and it
feels very child film like, right, And that's fine if
you're going for that market. I think Wicked feels like
it's trying to be a bit older and that offusely.
Tons of kids love, right, so for them it works
out that way, and I think my kids liked it
for the most part. They have a few things, but
that's the original song. Let's say no, this is an
original movie scene that's an original song too. Okay, Yeah,
that didn't work like here. Like again, I guess before
I get into certain things, I just think there was
some choices from the characters and in the moments or
in the movies that played off like kid movies, where
why do I feel this way because I've changed? Okay,
and that's what happens, right, And that's fine in an
animate thing or kid it's twenty two minutes. But for this,
especially in the first one, I don't think the first
one has that. I think for me. What feels odd
is visually and toned like other than being darker, it
does feel like the first one. It still feels like
John m chwo directed both of them, right, the comparison
I'm gonna go to, it's the same way to me,
the guy that directed Superman, the guy directed Peacemaker. They
are one and the same. But there's certain things they
did with certain cam miles or characters that were both
in Superman and in Peacemaker. They felt like they were
directed by different people. And that's where I'd say, this
feels like it's more like it's written by a different person.
I don't think it is ulso they are adapting it
off the play, right, but just certain choices. It feels
that some of the more mature aspects, even though it's
still bewildering and there's almost like a fun, child like
aspect of Going to Oz, there was some grounded emotionality
as far as being you know, not childlike mature, and
that's what I liked about The Wicked. It kind of
struck a good bounce right where this At times the
mature is just feel like it's just because it's dark,
you know. And then the other the real stuff. There's
also one moment alb the Faugh that I cannot believe
and I don't know again if it's like the play,
it doesn't matter because I don't enjoy it either. To me,
it should be something of like a very emotional moment
really is nothing and then we just go in like
full calmedy and laughs, and I just it felt like
a different person was ahead of this or doing this,
and it just it just was odd. So I think
between sometimes the decisions and choices feeling kind of emotionally stunted,
like it said, kind of and like saying like a
child's movie is more of a degraded It's nowhere near
as bad as a Minecraft. Right for me, Minecraft is
lo this like I still would pass it, and lots
of it is more because of performances. I have nothing
negative to say on anybody acting wise. Maybe I don't know,
maybe uh Bach or whoever it's Bach or Pak, whatever
his name is. I think he's all right. He was
in gen V's in this. I don't know if he's
the strongest, but everybody else I think is great and
they deliver that well, there's no issues there that And
I actually like Jonathan Bailey Moore in this one than
the first one. That's more so because the storyline, right,
and that's things we're also, hey, I'm not a big
musical guy, but like define gravity like everybody else is.
But great song, right, there's other songs there that are great.
So there's times where like Grease is an example, I
don't like that movie. I think especially it's a very
they may have a different time, but very dated, very
like there's times where we're talking about the girls singing.
I said, damn, like it's one of her favorites. But
I'm like absolutely not, like not right now, not this stage.
Like there's just certain ways the men act and the
women act towards the men as far as just like
a falling the big strong guy when it's just like,
now this guy's trying to do like I don't know
a semi version of assault here. We can't. And once
I wrote down, she's like, oh, yeah, I guess there's that.
That's something with me, Like I want, I said last week,
want to watch Edward Scissors Hands. I'm like, right, there's
some stuff in there. It just doesn't play not stuff
you want a young child to gleam on too, and
Luckily the movie has none of that. So but I'm
just saying that I think I lost my train of
thought there. But when I thought of fucking Grease, Oh
what I was saying the Grease. I love a lot
of those songs. I fucking love Summer Nights. I love
the one that I want even Rocky Horror Picture Show
that I enjoy now more. I saw it for the
first time because a lot of people to me, oh,
you'd love it. I didn't know it was a musical,
but this wasn't for me. And then as I got older,
I enjoyed it. But in between times I still love
you know, Sweet transvest Side or time Machine. So that's
where for me, that's something that in Wicked, even Wicked
Part one, which I do enjoy multiple great songs here, right,
this is something where Okay, if I'm not enjoying the songs,
then I really don't enjoy musicals. Like That's where it's
really tough, right, because at least even then, I don't
maybe love the way people express themselves and sing and
dance it's somebody, oh you know, maybe sometimes I take
some dialogue here. It's a genre. I do like it
more as i've gone a bit older, but still not
something I would If you're saying, hey, Travis, you can
never see another musical ever again other than Lala Land,
you know, And I guess there's some Disney stuff that can.
But every time a live action other than Lala Land,
I'm not gonna miss most of them, right, I'll be okay.
So that's the thing where the songs are lesser, that's something.
And the other part two with the first one that
I thought was the weakest, and like they do it here,
it's not awful, but again there's some decisions and choices
here made that I just think are a little underwritten.
The love story in the first one, to me was
my least favorite part. I just liked the feud to
the bonding of albafon Glinda, right, I didn't need the
whole love triangle. Oh he loves this girl, but really
he doesn't and this girl doesn't know because she's green
and level them like, and that's fine. It was part
of the play. That's okay, that's just not for me
something that I enjoyed. So I'd enjoy johnthan Bailey in
that role where this one he kind of gets to
be a bit more of like a like a hero
per se, like I was definitely seeing when people are
wanting for Batman, I'd already seen it, but I'm like, okay,
I could definitely stretch and get there right. So those
are my non spoil of thoughts. I only recommend it
if you really like that first one. If you're iffy
about the first one, then no, I don't think this
is gonna be changing it. And to me like I
I'll see how much the girls watch it. But if
I ever watched Wicked, I really have no reason to go. Oh,
I guess there's another point too that I'll make be
forgetting on spoys. I have no reason to watch Wicked
part two. I think Wicked Part one ends on such
a strong note, and even with the play, I'd be
curious to watch it like it ends on such a
strong note and it feels like Alva is so determined
and so powerful to where we end up does not
fit at all. So I'd rather just watch Wicked and
be like, oh, that is the that's the ending of
this story is. I don't know how she becomes the
evil Wicked of Witch of the West, but it's like
something happens. She was betrayed or even then if you
just look at us, like she thinks Dorothy's with us,
so therefore she's an enemy, right, Like I'd rather go
just that route because that's one thing too. And I
think the biggest things that felt like the Rise of
Skywalker stuff, what song did you like the most? I
think I'm gonna be like lame and just like every
really like the four good songs at the end, but
like I don't even like I think that's the only
song that's memorable. And then the rest I didn't really
stick with me, like nothing really, there isn't anything else humming,
there's anything after Spotify want after this. When I had
to do recycling, I listened to stuff from the first
Wicked one, like that's where it made me miss watching
the first part, Mike, So that's where at least give
it granted that way. I haven't rewatched her because I
want to watch Dives Out before the new one and
Bigooni's out on streaming after Hunts Out on streaming or
at least fo D, so I haven't watched it, but
at some point I still got to see K pop
deveon Hunters two. It's like, oh, a long list of stuff.
I gotta watch the next a little bit, but I
think just that but even that, that wasn't something I
loved there, but the most rise Skywalker stuff. And this
is stuff that I think could play better in a
musical because you could have the laughs of the audience
and it kind of like tongue of cheek. But in
the movie the Wizard of Oz stuff, it is clunky
as can be, both from a inputting it into this
story and making it make sense for the other story.
I think it's tough. Because Taylor asked me, like, what
do they do? Do they do like radical changes or
do they just stay very close to source material? I
think that's the issue. They kind of try to do
both in my opinion, you know, like in this sense,
I would have just rather than do like a a
what if of like, oh, you've heard the story of
the Wizard of Oz, but this is how really went
down and telling the story of Alba being a good witch,
you're not a bad guy, you know. Like there's times
where I feels like they're trying to stay very close
to the original, and if that's the case, I don't
think I don't know any of this works. And some
certain character motivations work and then other times they take
radical stuff, like with tin Man. So I did not
enjoy any of that. I wish none of that existed.
I wish even going back to the Wicked play, I
wish they never touch any of the Wizard o stuff and
you just keep the story to Glinda and Alba. Thought
like that's that's it, Like like the Wizard of Os
stuff hurts it a lot, Like it's just I don't know,
it's just it did not work for me at all. Uh.
Supermanike says they made the tin Man origin cool in
the movie, though I'd have to see it. Hate that scene.
I hated the sister cell plot in the scene that's
a kid thing where it's just I yeah, the body
horror thing, that's fine, but like it's just like I
hate this person. I don't I hate this person. What'd
you do? I don't hate them, I hate him. Like
it was all over the map. I could not lock
in at all. And that was the first like, up
until that scene, everything was fine. That was the first
thing that I'm like, hmmm, something seems a foot like
there's I think there's stuff in the first Wicked movie
that I didn't enjoy or maybe it wasn't like amazing,
But I don't know if there's anything in the first
Wicked that I absolutely thought, oh this is really bad
where I had this a few times. Right, So I'll
take an ad break now if you have not seen
the movie trying to think there's anything else, don spoilers.
I said, I think I'm like a five. I'm a
five out of ten. It gets the past that there's
a reveal at the end. I was very close to
the fail. I thought, no, don't let that last thing
thing do it. It's still because I looked at my
letterbox two movies that have failed this year, I'm like, no, Like,
it's not as low as that, right, but there's just
some certain decision. It's like a right Skywalker where that
movie looks gorgeous. There's a certain thing acting still great, you know,
raise great like Daisy Ridley Adam Driver. There's things that
are great about it, but then it's a big choice
in the big swings that just miss. And that's how
I kind of feel with we could four good. I
guess I keep saying part two, but that's how I feel.
I'll do a little spoilers review here, so I'll take
an ad break and then I'll be right back. And
I'm back. I don't know, in fact, there's anything I
missed on the box office that I was supposed touch on.
I don't know if there was, but yeah, to that
tin man seemed like the sister and her just rolling
out being like I am the wicked Witch of the East.
All right, Sure, that's where it feels like we're tru
and then she's not a witch. There's no one else around,
she's not continuing to do like witchy things throughout. Like
that's where it feels like such a leap to the
Wizard of Awe stuff. Right, it just doesn't work for me.
And in that moment where all right, and I knew,
I knew it was going down, so obviously I can't
remember what the hell's his name, but Jonathan Bailey he
makes a run for it. He was never gonna marry Glinda.
He goes with Alpaha, I know they're gonna get on
the second he takes off his jacket. Second he rooms
a jacket and he has like a very loose fitting shirt.
I'm like, okay, it's happening, right, So I'm just saying Okay,
what's this gonna be? Like? It was bad enough. I
already had to watch the Worthering Heights trailer with my
six and eight year old. Luckily, this is very other
than seeing some albapha thigh very right. I was called
him Ferrero Roshe Yeah, sorry, I still to forget that name.
But so than Maley. Uh, they get it on, you know,
it was fine. I was like, I've never felt so
wicked before. Whatever she says, all right, cool, they get on.
She's a vision. My sister's in trouble, not dead, but
in trouble. Okay, I don't know how that works. Maybe
along the way she thought she was dead. Fine, so
she gets there, sister is dead. House there, g Linda's
looking at her. She just talked to Dorothy, which was
such a weird, Like I get what they're going for.
But that's where I thought this would work better on
stage play where they cut the scene and she's glemen
being like bye, Dorothy, good luck, have a good time.
You see her from the back, You're like, Okay, this
is this is what we're doing, which is probably better
than like the AI you know, generated Dorothy that we
would have got like Judy Garland right, but still it
felt awkward already an introduction and alpha lance she sees
her sister dead, So yeah, can I have a moment?
Yeah sure, It's pretty much like that Cadence. If there
is any actor, I would pick up part and I
think this is pure them them. It was that. It
was like Mike says, the next stuff you needn't need
more time to develop a develop her going back. Absolutely,
she gets two scenes. She gets the one scene of
Bach is gonna leave her, and he does, which was
odd because he's like, I'm never gonna see you again,
Like he pretty much says, like implies that I gotta
be moving on. And then when he comes back and says, hey,
I gotta leave, She's like, what do you mean the
last scene he just told you he was leaving, and
now he's telling you're leaving. Your surprised again, I digress.
I don't know. There's just all and that whole timid
scene back and forth with hitting alpha to You're my sister,
and this scene where Alva lands and sees her sister
Dan the house. I gut they didn't have a good relationship.
But no even a tear, not even nothing. She had
a bigger tears in by to Glinda, this person that
she knew for a little bit of time, nothing for
her sister. And what does it lead to? Like a
very cheesy comedic Alva and her Glenna fight with their
braun the want slash broom. I put those wounds the
words together, not the wombs together, and it's like very
over the top and very kitty, and it's it's interesting
because the first one had those type of a vibes, right,
and that's where it worked. In this it just it
didn't right, And that's why I said letterbox. Now, most
time I don't like I just dropped like a just
a joke, or say something very positive about a movie, right.
I try not to do a bunch of negative stuff
because I don't know, I don't need to, And I
feel like it's it's easier to say it now in
this form, right because you can have a bit more
context to it. Crazy time for Alpha, I'm gonna assume
heavily assume that she lost her Virginia that night to
Jonathan Bailey, and then she los her sister. She assumes
Jonathan Bailey's killed, and then she's about to figure own
death it's crazy, terrible first time fallout after all that,
but she flies off and Mike, I would like that.
In the play, Albapha is anger when her sister dies.
They downplay that a bit here, a bit. That's where
I pushed back. I can't say a lot. She she
lands with like no emotion. She's like, can I say
good bye my sister? I just I just couldn't believe it.
I just this is the take we have, right, And
then they do that comedic scene, so that feels like
that doesn't work at all either, and then it's just
kind of choice after choice. There's and they do this
multiple times too. Of you know, Bailey sayser by putting
the gun up to Glinda and she gets away and
he's stuck there right or later or early on the
movie where they make the Wizard get into a cage,
why has an album? But taking these people with her
ground by the fucking scruff, Why don't they take the Wizard?
These are more like minor grice, but still it's stuff
where it just feels very easy, and it feels like
this person that's so powerful has no powerful what like,
has no power whatsoever. Like same thing all these scenes
with Wizard, and it just feel like I'm gonna, no
matter what, I'm gonna come after you till you know
you're dead or die or stopped. Why does she give
up at the end of this movie other than Michelle Yeah,
no one has these power She's just she's looking like
she's getting stronger, she's doing crazy stuff. Why does she
just gonna give up and like, yeah, I'm just gonna
run away? You know, I know you might tell about
Oh well, no one believe was a witch. They think
she's evil. Yet I get that right. I'm a fan
of The Dark Knight. I understand Batman took the Fall,
but he felt like the way it was presented here
was not done good enough for me to believe that
Alapa would not just continue to pursue the Wizard, especially
at the end of that first movie. Seems very defiant,
very powerful. Here, not so much. Same thing with her
and she gets back with Glinda and the Wizard one
and multiple people said this to me. Mikey said this
to me. Maybe it is that way in the play.
I'm gonna say you're all liars, or it's that way
in the play. One of my biggest complaints in the
first one was, you know this Clinda character, don't really
like her, especially near the end, right, they all these
people are revealed to be doing these terrible things to
the animals, lying with the Wizard, etcetera. Right, and then
I guess, I guess we'll get there mic but like
all the stuff, But Glenna's fine to sell her friend
play along. And I've been told walls for a reason
while she be good on the inside. Right Yet, so
I thought, okay, there must be reasons. I understand. We've
seen this trope before where someone pretends to be bad
and they're on the inside doing good stuff. Right Snape Barbosa.
These are characters you know in history that have done
these stuff, many big trope. Right, she does nothing in
this movie she does. It's like the the me of
like the party's already over, but they're still there. At
the end, when she finally realizes, hey, I gotta do something,
fucking like Alpaha's already made this plan. She's got a
fake her death and get out of here. She's gonna
do this. She's gonna say, oh, it has to be
a family Alphas put everything into motion now. Granted, sure,
she gets the Wizard to screw off. So that's one
thing she does. But this idea of and that's why
I couldn't even be into this character in this part,
because all this really bad stuff's going on, and when
she lands, when Alpha lands for the wedding, which that
is a great seale like that the first time they
reunite and they're talking about the wedding and talking about, oh,
you gotta beat the buzzard. We can figure something out
yet DA And when they have this meaning, Glinda feels
just so, and that is part of the point of
the character, right, I do understand, But because the point
of the character is that I guess she's trying to
see the good in all the situations, but then once
it goes too far, she realizes she is on the
wrong side and there's only so much she can do
to help out right, and she has to do more.
She has to be better, take bigger steps, not just
gonna be on the sidelines. But I feel like throughout
the movie, and especially in the last one, some of
these characters go too far that how much she puts
up with it, I don't care about the Glennon character.
It feels like she's just kind of pathetic but not
in the good way where it's like, oh, she's got
a redeeming like run. It just feels like at the end, yeah,
sure she gets the animals to live in the humanity
with the humans, but just it feels so after the fact,
and it feels so little that I don't know, it's
just everything now from part one with her and now
with that doesn't feel like, oh, it's happening, all this
stuff even then. And this is my point too. For
the original song, she guys left the altar, right, she
finally realizes, Hey, he loves Glynda or he loves Alba Fah,
I read that wrong, whether I was being played or
whether that's true love. Okay, she got the whole song
set piece about how he doesn't love her. But then
the next scene is that scene that I talked about
after the sister's death. They're together and it feels like
she like at one point Jonathan Bailey says something and
like Aaron Ronad looks like you love her, like something
like that, and it's like, yeah, yeah, I had a
whole song sequence about this, like I thought you your
character realized that. Like that's my problem is I find
the character because I know Jenna with and I know
the way they didn't in part one of her being
a little ditsy or a little just kind of aloof right,
But I felt like they went too far to make
her just kind of idiotic. In this version, I did
not get the sense of a hero waiting beneath the wings.
I did not get a sense of a hurt hero
who didn't see things clear. But now you move everything
and she sees the direct line. I just I don't
think the movie did a good job of execut you
that in the second part. Sure, Part one might be
this setup, but it does not play off that way.
Just kind of feels like everything fell in her hands.
I'm like, well, I guess I'll do this. And Albava
did everything right because you said, because Alva knows Glinna
can do more good everything she's dead, I guess, Like sure,
but fucking Alva's so powerful, and they make the Wizard,
even Michelle Yall at time so kind of dumb. It
just feels like you could easily overthrow these people and
get the real message going, you know. And even then,
like that was the idea that before she saw the
animals locked for the base. When the wizards, like, Hey,
we're just gonna walk down together and say this was
a mistake. Whatever. We're gonna make up a story and
say Alpha is not bad. She's with us, and we'll
do so much magic for Oz. How can you still
not do that with the Glinda with the fucking bottle,
which we'll get to do with this bottle. It's like, oh, yeah,
you killed your daughter and you did these bad things.
You gotta go. And he goes very easy. He has
no reason to go right now, Michelle, y'all has powers,
Glinda does not. He if he's an evil guy, he
has way more power to do any of this stuff.
And he just leaves Glenna just kind of like strong
arms in the Little versus the Witch, who could do
all this stuff can't do it. Like, that's what I
mean where I agree with you, Mike. I understand what
they're going for is the you know, that could be
the cover and she could be the symbol of evil
that we can fight against and unite everybody. I get that, right,
But I don't think with the other characters that are
posing that, it doesn't it doesn't seem that impossible, It
doesn't seem like that's needed and that's where even her
sacrifice doesn'teem that needed. And man, my probably last spoiler thing,
the reveal of Holy Moly. I thought it was a trick.
I was kind of hoping it was a trick where Okay,
Albafa dies, right, and I was happy because I didn't know,
I legitimate didn't know anything. I was happy she was
that Den just faked your death, because I felt like,
really over the top. I know it doesney original, but
I felt it's odd for us to like Albafa and
then see Dorothy, this unknowing girl kill her and like
throw water on her, like if it feels I'll see
Dorothy doesn't know. But I was like, this is a
really bad, dark ending, Like I'm fine with the fake
and your dad's everything, Glynn in Oz, that's fine. So
this happens and she leaves in Green Bottle there, right,
And that's where I've only truly seen Wicked part one one,
so I'd have to go back. But I felt like
they've missed some stuff here. And even then, if this
happens in the play, I guess I'd have to see
if it's throughout the play in the book, so much
this idea Glinda finds his bottle and it looks like
a bottle that the Wizard of Oz has, right, and
they do this very bad CGI deep fake flashback to
Jeff Golbewan or a young person's body. Right, So he
is there, he's dancing, and I guess he has there's
a one with him. He has an affair with Alpha's mother.
Let's see. You can actually hear Goldblum's voice at the
beginning of part one, so it isn't a big reveal, Okay,
so I have to look out for that, right, But
to me, it's just the reason why even with that,
if I know Goldma was her dad, it doesn't like
it doesn't serve anything. It feels very much like you're
a Palpatine, Like it's just like, guess what that's that's
her dad, and it's like it changes nothing about the story.
I guess it gets that's what it does, right, It
gets the Wizard to run away because he feels that
he's really screwed up when you do. But I think
that they did not give Goldham enough time in that
scene and falling after, because Golden for the most part
feels also lup but very comedic even when he's a
bad guy. He's a comedic bad guy, right, He's making
jokes and I like him when he's in the when
he's in the cage and Glenna gets left and she's like,
oh my god, like she's crying and she's like, oh there,
I had a headache. He's like, oh, I have some
of this, it'll help you. Like I like Golden. I
think he's a perfect casting for the Wizard. I just
think it doesn't hit on the way that to make
him leave Oz. It doesn't hit that that knockout punch
for me, And I just feel like that was something
that was unnecessary and the play they don't explicitly say,
they just hint at it okay, And I just wanted
to play like what does it do? Because the crux
of the thing is Alpha gets there. She has powers,
he doesn't. He's abusing people. She wants to help him.
He's actually the bad guy. She's actually the good guy.
What does the parentage do right? Like what is it even?
Like even technically with the ray Palpatine thing, what does
that do? Nothing right? Because they just said like they're
a diet in the forest, right, you could easily have
had Palpatine know that and go, hey, I know what
diets fucking do. That's you two together. Diets can give
me the life force back. Technically, there's nothing that Ray
being a Palpatine does for the story and just adds
like a short in the world making it smaller. And
to me, that hurts the first part a little bit
in this movie because obviously to the play it's hint
app in the movie, it's like that is her dad,
and it just feels it's like making the world smaller
for an unnecessary reason in my opinion. So when that happened,
I was like, I'm failing this. I'm failing this. It's over,
it's done, And I guess I guess I need that
explain to you. It's I understood because Glenna says that.
Mike go like, oh, she's so powerful cause she's of
both worlds. Like what is like was being from like
your dad being uh aw Auzarian or whatever the hell
they are, Like, how does it get you more powerful? Right? Like?
I would feel like if we're looking at like mutants
or wizards, right like, oh, both Harry Harry Potter's parents
are wizard that would make sense they are more powerful Harry, right,
Why does someone be a human and someone being a
wizard make them more stronger like that? I don't know,
And that's not a big hole for me. Sure, whatever
the rules of the world are, you can do that.
I just think that you could have made her dad
at any point, like just make her dad human. Then
I don't like, I don't know, and I guess. So
I guess there's people specific because it's Jeff Goldblin and
her dad. Are they not just humans? And the same
logic as Superman's son me half human makes them stronger,
which I don't agree with. I don't understand. I don't understand.
But Mike, this is like not critique. What is so
like her you know dad that she her legal dad
and then the Wizard? Are they not just humans like
it is technically being ods like a completely different like
not even just like species like that. I'll say, I know,
there's bunch kids. I guess it's like I thought the
OZ guy like the Wizard, not the OZ guy, Wizard
is a human and heard now was that? And maybe not?
And maybe if that's the case, then sure, And again
that's not even the biggest hold up for me as well,
because it's just the sense of I I get that
it makes her so powerful, but you don't even you
don't necessarily even need that. Just say she's powerful, like,
it just doesn't change too much of the main story
for me, right to be a crux. It just feels
like a reveal for the sake of being a reveal.
So yeah, I was I thought I would like this
one a little bit less, but I was still pretty
let down by it all. I don't think I will
watch this again. To me, I can happily watch part
one and like I said, just just go that way,
just say, oh, everything that happens, even if it's her
fake and her death and escape with John and Bailey,
like I can. I can whatever headcanon that or just
it's a what half that that's why she's the way
she is, right, Okay, oz Arians are technically not human.
I guess I'm with you. Okay, No, that's fine, and
that's fine. That helps me a little bit, right. I
thought they were just kind of saying of like he's
it's like if I'm if we're Canadian, Mike and we
have a child with Americans, like, oh, they're more strong
because American Canadian blood. I was like, is that how
that works. But okay, if he's Ausarian, sure there's there's
something in the waters there that works between that and that.
And like I said, it's just it's an odd thing.
So yeah, not like anything. This movie isn't like And
like I said, when I say it has minecraft right
Skywalker isms, it's not those levels. It's just that there's
moments that feel like that. Right where thoughts of Domingo cameo,
I can't give them because I was not lying in
the discord, because I so what happened was, uh, girls
were fine, you know, got palpcorn drinks and then Logan
right after Michelle Yell and Glinda have their scene about like, oh,
you should just play your role, you'll be good. And
I like Michelle Yell on this movie. She's fun as
just being an asshole, right, she should be a villain
somewhere else. That's when she had to wash room, so
we're going. And then when I came back, it was
the start of the scene of Albafa and Glinda talking
and I like talking about like what they're gonna do
and change it for good and I have to die
all that type of stuff, right, which I didn't agree with.
The time, so I missed when he actually spoke, so
when I got back, and then because at one moment
when I asked when she like misunderstoods that, oh no,
he didn't talk. She thought it was almost a particular scene.
But so I missed all that. I even went on
Twitter to look at sometimes there's leaks. I went on
Twitter try and find the scene of it to hear
his voice, and I didn't, So I missed that entire
sequence because they had to go the the washroom, which
you know, it's it's a longer like kids me right,
most of the movies are seeing her like hour and
a half hour forty, so it was longer they got treat.
So I obviously I know they will watch it again,
so I'll look out for it then, But uh, how
is it for you, Mike, because you were more like
if you about it? But yeah, and that's stuff that
like I guess it's how that's where the stuff where
it's it's just like, yeah, it was Teo lines, which
makes sense how I missed it, But that's where there's
stuff like oh, it's like the planet when the tim's
like and I'm gonna fucking kill the fuck and she's
the worst person. I was like, this is like ten
Man's not acting like this and Wizard of Oz and
that's where I just wish it was like a whole
distorted kind of version of it, like a multiverse, what
if a Wizard of Oz not trying to kind of
interlinking it with that, like that just didn't really work
for me there, right, and that it's just kind of
fell a little cheat that seemed too. But yeah, it
was an interesting watch. This was one that I regretted
not going the first one the theaters, and I regret
it going this one. But then I didn't today, like
I say, when I got to school with the kids,
because I knew that I had said on the first
one the newscast or whatnot, that my sister's taking them.
We have told her that they've seen us, so hopefully
shuldn't see this broadcast. But then she's like, oh, yeah,
three weeks from three weeks, like people from school are
gonna see it. They want to talk about any it,
said the second Logan. I didn't because with Gwen and Logan,
they're on different side of the school. I walk Logan
because she's younger, don't know what happened with Gwen. But
right when they saw it, like did you see Wicked
this week? Did you see Wicked? And they talked about
so I was like, yeah, like I don't want her
to miss out. And some kids sock, right, some cause
like oh, well this happened. This happened for them. They
don't know everything, and even though I didn't know stuff,
right so after, you know, I don't regret. I'm very
happy I took them so they could talk about with
their friends. And it's still a fun time. Like I
still like they had a good time. I wasn't at
least bored by it or anything, like there's worst things
I've seen in theater this year. There's worst thing I've
seen and other stuff you got your great dad points yeah,
and that's what it's for, right, Like that's the same thing.
Like I still never fully rewatch it, but I remember
really enjoying thor Love and Thunder. But that's because they
saw Gwen and we had a good time through, right,
Like think about that scene in the end when all
the kids get the powers and fight. So I remember
walking to be like, oh I loved it, Like that
was a great time. Where now I think I watched
like the first act as like, oh yeah, maybe not
the greatest, and I've seen some points that people have,
but that's where all the time, seeing the theaters is better, right,
and seeing here, I was hoping they hit a couple
of notes of define gravity. I was hoping they'd run
it back because I wasn't there the first time, so
I was hoping they were gonna do that, and they
did not. There are just a few bars of it,
but yeah, no, that's my thoughts on so yeah, I
did not. Kudos to you, Mike for stick it through.
I'm glad you enjoyed it, and I can see why
you could give it like a five on year's perspective,
because we all have that like those type of stuff
right where there's things that just hit certain like I'm
that way with walls and grunt, where like the news
walls and growm it. I think it might be one
of the more weaker ones that they've done, but they
still hit on all the isms and I enjoy the humor.
I enjoy the character beats that's like, yeah, this is fine,
Like this hits exactly what I want. So that's where
I'm curious to end up talking more people like Mike
that really enjoy the play and now they feel about this,
and I think most people might be, you know, in
line on the liking side, where someone like myself definitely
enjoyed that first one. This one, I was kind of
hoping would be more of the same, but not so much.
Performances are great. I will be very curious obviously all
the production stuff they're gonna get for Oscar season. Now
that's a question of what happens with the other stuff, right.
I think there'll be some non nations, but I don't
think best picture. I think grand is getting the best
supporting non but I I don't think a win. I
think the movie's gonna lose some steam, and I think
Amy Mannigan I still think Tay like I think there's
a good chance, with how the movie performed critically and
how it is kind of relevant, he thinks he's getting
and I would pizza bet you, Mike, I would pizza
bet you that she's not getting that. I do think
it's a bit of a smaller field this year, so
I think there's a chance. But I think something like
one bet opt for or another. I think that is
prime opportunity for Tiana Taylor get because I think it's
gonna sweep a lot. I think it's gonna be hit
a lot of just yeah right that that quarter gra
that category, that category, that category, like I just think
it hits with a lot of the political stuff that
people lean in that way, right, So that's it. So yeah,
I guess both tras told you this week are review
So there's my thoughts on the box office and we
could for good. I'll do Stranger Things Volume one later
on this week and if there's any big news we'll
incorporate that. But thank you everyone that listened to much.
I'll thank everyone, Mike, thank you for just being a
ghost for this, being my person to throw it to
some questions and whatnot in this And yeah, hopefully after
nine will book for Decemmer we can actually talk about
plus one's more people have seen it. But yes, I'll
be back on Wednesday. I promise you go A lot
be boring.