WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:03.200 The disclaimer to the fair season. Karen's out there, how 2 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:05.759 dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect 3 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:06.519 the opinions. 4 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:07.480 Of the host. 5 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:10.519 The purpose of the show is to have interesting conversations, 6 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:14.320 stretch our minds and grow not what we want. If 7 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:16.640 you are looking for an echo chamber you were listener 8 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:18.440 Discretion's as. 9 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:24.120 You talking about extreme. 10 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:33.399 Anoledge, we will guilty from the super They don't fear 11 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:34.840 the questions, they. 12 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:35.520 Fear the f. 13 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:38.399 So we see the. 14 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:56.920 Sec they come, thank yousy, but. 15 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:03.000 By the dark on this shows us. 16 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:13.079 Thank you guys. What is happening? And what is hold 17 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:15.560 out that glass? Baby? You know what time is? We 18 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:16.719 about to fill it up. 19 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:20.319 Welcome to Methus Lyns Podcast, the place where the conversations 20 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:22.079 are always in the lightning. 21 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:24.239 I am your host, Doc Brown, and here we. 22 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:27.560 Like to use the allegory of the Prometheus lens to 23 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:31.760 take a second look at everything. Well, guys, I got 24 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:33.879 a great discussion lined up for you. 25 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:35.680 Guys. I'm excited to talk to this man. 26 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:40.439 We've exchanged some messages back and forth through Facebook Direct Messenger, 27 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:44.319 and we've talked about everything from giants to what's wrong 28 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:48.280 with Christianity to Aliens. We've already had some good conversations, 29 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:51.000 so I know this one's gonna flow well. He is 30 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:54.040 a recent author, and I believe this is his first book. 31 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:57.519 But the title of it is Genesis six in the 32 00:01:57.560 --> 00:01:59.879 Old Arks. So we're gonna be getting into some neph 33 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:01.680 Lean giants. 34 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:01.920 Today, y'all. 35 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:04.200 I know you're going to thoroughly enjoy that. 36 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:06.159 But I like to look over the show for the. 37 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.680 First time and hopefully the first of many. Nick Daegel, Nick, 38 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:10.840 thank you brother for coming on. 39 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:15.560 Hey, thanks for inviting me. Doc. Yeah, so this is 40 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:20.039 my first book. Kind of what got me down this 41 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:24.639 path is about two years ago. I read through Genesis, 42 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:28.840 never really quite taken the dive to go into Genesis 43 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:31.520 and see what it really entails. I've always kind of 44 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:35.879 hung around, you know, Matthew, Mark Luke, and John the 45 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.879 New Testament. That was kind of my comfort zone. And 46 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:41.240 I'm like, you know what, I need to start delving 47 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.800 into some of these other books, especially the Older Testament. 48 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:47.919 I mean, that's that's the foundation of the New Testament. 49 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:52.759 So started to read through Genesis, got through Genesis one 50 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:56.840 one through five. I meant understand the creation story. You 51 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:02.960 hear that from Sunday School. I meant, it's we hear 52 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:07.319 about you hear about it growing up. But there was 53 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:11.360 still some little little things that God really pointed out 54 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:13.560 to me that I thought were very beautiful. You know, 55 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:18.159 whenever God is creating everything in the Seven Days, the 56 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:21.680 one thing that's different is with man. God decided to 57 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:24.479 actually form us with his own hands and to breathe 58 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.800 his own breath into our life. Whereas everything else he 59 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:32.039 spoke it into existence. With us, he actually sat down, 60 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:35.599 crafted us and breathed his spirit within to us. And 61 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:38.280 that like, there was little things that God showed me 62 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.360 as I was reading through it, that it was very 63 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:43.439 beautiful and just shows us just to show us how 64 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.159 much we mean to him, Like he is that much 65 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:49.039 into the details of our lives and he wants to 66 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:52.360 be that involved with who we are that he sits 67 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:57.680 down and he makes us. So just some beautiful things 68 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:00.599 that he pointed out to me. And then I get 69 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:04.639 to Genesis six and I'm like, this is right before 70 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:07.599 the flood. There's this little bit where it talks about 71 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.520 the sons of God going into the darters of Man 72 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:13.639 and creating the nephilum, and I'm like, what the heck 73 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:18.000 does this mean? Like had never never even heard of this. 74 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:22.240 It was a whole new idea. I mean, I know, 75 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:24.800 I heard of another Bible story you hear a lot 76 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:27.639 of in Sunday School is David and Goliath. So you 77 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:29.759 hear about Goliath, and I'm like, all right, I've heard 78 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:32.879 about giants. I know, when the Twelve Spies go into 79 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:36.000 the land of Canaan, they see these, you know, really 80 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:39.199 tall people that they felt like grasshoppers in their eyes. 81 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:42.959 Was that allegory, I don't know, but according to this 82 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.240 they seem pretty tall. So I knew the Bible had 83 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:51.399 talked about people of unusual size, but I wasn't aware 84 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:57.360 of the just the conspiracy that really went into it 85 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:02.800 all to simple fact that they weren't actually people either. 86 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:06.959 They were it was a completely different creature. So it 87 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.879 really got me onto a journey of trying to discover 88 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:14.759 what this Genesis six narrative means. And at the time, 89 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:20.920 so where my kids I have very little ones a nine, six, 90 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:24.560 three and soon to be a newborn in a couple 91 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:28.759 of months. But where my six year old son and 92 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:33.120 three year old daughter go to daycare is Her name 93 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:37.920 is Suzanne and Suzanne's husband, Paul, he actually passed away 94 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:40.959 about a year and a half ago. He was pretty 95 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:45.319 pivotal in me helping to understand what the Nephelum were. So, 96 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:50.800 Paul was a huge supporter of SkyWatch TV, Joe Horn 97 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:54.399 Tom Like. He watched a lot of Tom horn Like. 98 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.639 He actually whenever he passed, she gave me all of 99 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:02.319 his material and the guy had had sixty plus videos 100 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:06.399 from SkyWatch, So I mean, I've gotten them all, you two. 101 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:13.720 But yeah, So it was actually through Paul and his 102 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.879 interest that I started to watch a lot of like 103 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:24.079 these SkyWatch documentaries and videos. The one that really stuck 104 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:25.399 out to me was I don't know if you've ever 105 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:29.199 seen the oh what is it? It is Angels and Giants, 106 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:31.079 the Nephelum and the Watchers. 107 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:35.360 Yeah, the innerd thing of the cloud Eaters. That was 108 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.639 a really big one for me because they teamed up 109 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.959 with Steve Quail and uh Alberino on that one. 110 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:47.439 Yeah. I can't remember who who was on Angels and 111 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:51.319 Giant but it had it had Tom Horn on there. 112 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:55.519 L A. Morzoli was on there. I believe Alberino was 113 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:59.319 on there. Fritz Zimmerman had a little cameo on there 114 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.519 and a few others, a few other. 115 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:07.120 The big giants of our giant space. 116 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.399 Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Doug van Dorn was another one 117 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:16.399 on there. So that's where. And in this documentary they 118 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:22.480 go to several megalithic sites and they talk about, I mean, 119 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:25.439 they really just go in depth, lay in a good 120 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:30.000 foundation of how all these megalithic sites across the world, 121 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:34.800 these pyramids, how they weren't actually built by the people 122 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:37.560 that lived in that area at the time, like we're 123 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:41.319 taught through mainstream history, but how these were actually probably 124 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:46.439 built by these Nephelo giants who were the children of 125 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:51.360 the daughters of Man and the sons of God. So 126 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:53.600 just watching that it kind of gave me a good foundation. 127 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:59.800 And after I mean it was probably a good three 128 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:03.600 or four months where I was just soaking this stuff up, 129 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.600 watching documentary after documentary. I'm not as much of a reader, 130 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:12.399 I'm more of a audio visual learner, So mine was definitely 131 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:15.079 more of watching a lot of different documentaries on it, 132 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:20.839 watching a lot of Alberino interviews on podcasts, stuff like that. Well, 133 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:24.720 after I consumed a lot of like, all right, I 134 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:27.319 need to let this digest a little bit because I 135 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:29.360 kind of soaked it up like a sponge, soaked it 136 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:31.600 up like a sponge really quick. So I was like, 137 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:33.919 let me let this digest because I want to make 138 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.600 sure that what I'm taking in it's true. I mean, 139 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.240 I feel like those who are believers, we want to 140 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:43.320 make sure we're filling ourselves up with the truth because 141 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:45.360 we know that as much as the truth is out there, 142 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:50.799 there's also lies. So God tells us to discern with 143 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:54.759 the discerning spirit. So I really wanted to, you know, 144 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:59.279 talk to my pastor about it and just work through it. Well, 145 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:02.360 it's funny because after I put all that away for 146 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:06.919 a little while, I decided to watch on Netflix Ancient Apocalypse. 147 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.440 And I don't know if you've ever seen an Ancient Apocalypse 148 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:10.320 with Grand Hancock. 149 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:12.840 Oh yeah, so good it is. 150 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.039 Oh And so I watched it not even thinking about 151 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.799 the Nephlum or the flood or anything like that, nothing 152 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:23.519 about Genesis six, only to realize, holy crap, this whole 153 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:29.919 documentary had elements of Genesis six all throughout it. I mean, seriously, 154 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:34.200 every single ancient civilization had a flood myth The younger 155 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:38.000 well in Hancock presents it as the Younger dry Is 156 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:40.840 at the end of the last Ice Age, cataclysmic floods 157 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:46.200 wiping everything out, and in with every one of those 158 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:49.799 flood myths, there was a at the end of the 159 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:56.360 cataclysmic event, there was some kind of traveler, unknown traveler, 160 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:01.399 bearded traveler who came to each so or each group 161 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:06.720 of people and spread knowledge, showed them how to build 162 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:10.559 civilization back up. And they were almost looked at as 163 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:15.519 gods among men, especially for the knowledge that they brought. Well, 164 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:17.919 and it's just it's also interesting because he goes to 165 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:21.919 several different megalithic sites and even some of the earth 166 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:25.519 I think Poverty Point, the Mound down there in Louisiana, 167 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.879 and he he makes claim that all of these different 168 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:34.799 sites was most likely inspired and influenced by this advanced 169 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:41.600 civilization that came after the the Younger Dryest. Well, what's 170 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:45.360 funny is then I feel like Kencock starts to talk 171 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.559 about the lore of all of them, and in several 172 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.360 of them, what do they have stories of giants? I 173 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:54.720 think it was the Pyramid of Kolua where they said 174 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:59.080 there was giants that built the pyramid to escape a 175 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:02.559 global flood and they hit intop the pyramid. Then you 176 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:08.120 had Sutsuna, who was this female giant that built the 177 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:12.960 temple of Giguntilla, and Giguntia literally means giant, and like 178 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.840 it just I don't know it. Just for me, it 179 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:17.200 was like. 180 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:20.559 Vericocha, remember he created giants and then that was the 181 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:23.159 whole reason he wrote the flood was because they were 182 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:27.039 so wicked and vile. So that's the whole reason Vakocha 183 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:29.720 and his story brought the flood was to destroy the giants. 184 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:32.799 Yeah, so I really hadn't much I haven't had much 185 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:36.240 chance to like looking at each individual flood myths. It 186 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:39.480 was for me watching that. I mean, this was a 187 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:43.840 secular it's a secular documentary. I meant, yes, I know 188 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:48.840 that mainstream says Graham Hancock's a kook, but I don't 189 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:51.879 really think he is. I meant, the dude's smorrow. He's 190 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:52.440 all over it. 191 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:55.600 He's just missing, he's got everything labeled wrong. 192 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.279 Yes, yes, that's that's how I feel one hundred percent too. 193 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.120 But it's just interesting. I'm like, man, this is from 194 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:06.480 a secular viewpoint, from someone who is in the secular world, 195 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.840 and this is backing up what we're seeing in Genesis six, 196 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.519 and this is backing up everything that I had previously 197 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:18.039 watched in a lot of the SkyWatch material and resources. 198 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:24.919 So really that got me. That really sparked an interest 199 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.600 in kind of amateur archaeology for me, I guess you 200 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:33.159 could say. And like I said, so, I'm actually a 201 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:40.399 hospice nurse and my wife's a teacher. She is, she's 202 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:43.159 pregnant for our fourth child, and next year she's not 203 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:47.519 gonna work. But as we were talking before, I'm not 204 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.080 really in that point in my life where I could just, 205 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.600 you know, go on a week vacation go see some 206 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:56.799 of these megalithic sites. I'd love to go see the 207 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.360 pyramids in Egypt. I'd love to go see some of 208 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:05.440 the pyramids in Mexico, in Guatemala, the megalithic sites in Peru, 209 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:09.080 even Kahokia, which is three hours away in Saint Louis, 210 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:11.639 just east of Saint Louis. I mean, it's the biggest 211 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:15.320 earthen mound in North America. I'd love to go there 212 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:20.360 and see that, but it's hard to with three soon 213 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:23.360 before little ones working full time to be able to 214 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.919 do that. So I wanted to. I was really intrigued 215 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:32.559 about seeing is there any evidence locally for me? Going 216 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.480 back to Fritz Zimmerman, he has a book called let 217 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:37.080 me see what is it? I have it right here. 218 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.759 It's the Encyclopedia of Ancient Giants in North America. Well, 219 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:46.840 in that book I found reference to two articles where 220 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:50.600 one was from nineteen thirty four, another one was from 221 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:55.799 eighteen ninety nine where people around this area in Springfield, 222 00:13:55.840 --> 00:14:01.960 Missouri found seven foot skeletons. One was buried in a cave, 223 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:05.440 another one was buried in a shallow burial mound off 224 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:08.519 one of the James River which is close to Springfield. 225 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:13.360 So I'm like, all right, Fritzimmerman put this in his book. 226 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:16.600 I want to find where these sites are at. So 227 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:19.919 really that started a journey. And what my book is 228 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:26.039 about is it talks about me getting into and learning 229 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.840 on this path about with the Nephela Moore. But then 230 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:37.039 it goes into my journey of discovering and researching and 231 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.159 finding these particular places where I believe both of these 232 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:46.399 seven foot skeletons were found. Was interesting. I mean, I 233 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:49.120 can go into somebody detail I'll go into let me 234 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:52.559 go into the detail about So there was the guy 235 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:56.679 who his name was Sterling Newbery, and was pretty interesting 236 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:02.840 about this Sterling Newberry. He was a missionary Baptist, but 237 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:08.480 he was also an amateur archaeologist. Well, in Fritzimmerman's book, 238 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:12.519 the article that he posts or puts in there just 239 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:17.320 talks about the seven foot skeleton being found. Well, I 240 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:22.720 did a deeper dive and research into Sterling Newberry himself, 241 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:27.519 looking through old newspaper archives, and I found several articles 242 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:31.559 that I truly believe could point to a Nephelim like 243 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:36.519 culture that would have been here in this area. First off, Yeah, 244 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:40.480 it's honestly, it's really amazing what you can find getting 245 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:44.120 into some of these old newspaper archives typing in giant 246 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:51.559 skeleton or burial mounds anything like, Like, you just find 247 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:55.200 some stuff that you find articles about things they found 248 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:58.120 one hundred years ago. Is like, yeah, that's that doesn't 249 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.000 seem to go along with what we've been told about 250 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:04.720 out the Native Americans. That seems like a little different 251 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:11.159 than what I've been fed throughout grade school. But anyway, 252 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:14.600 So the first one, there's this site here called full 253 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:19.399 Bright Springs. Full Bright Springs is when white settlers came here. 254 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:22.480 The full Bright family settled this spring it was like 255 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.360 the first home, I think the first homestead when the 256 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.759 white pioneers were coming out this way to Missouri, Western Missouri. 257 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:38.720 What's interesting is there is it has now become it's 258 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:43.080 a park, so they have put the city has put 259 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:45.919 a bike path in this full Bright Spring area. And 260 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:47.960 this bike path they call it the one of the 261 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:53.480 Greenway trails. It goes four or five miles and it 262 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.759 goes through full Bright Spring and continues on to other 263 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:04.279 parks north north of Springfield. And there's also at least 264 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.119 one hundred year old water pumping station there that I 265 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:10.200 mean they built it one hundred years ago. It was 266 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:15.359 because they have turned Fulbright Spring. They dammed it up 267 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:17.480 and they turned it into one of the main sources 268 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:23.000 of water for the Springfield area. Well, okay, what's interesting 269 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:28.000 is I'm glad that they still have that pumping station 270 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:30.480 there because in this I found an article from nineteen 271 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:34.759 thirty two where in this article it talks about two 272 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:38.440 burial mounds that were found on a hill that was 273 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:43.759 north of the Fulbright pumping station. So, uh yeah, so 274 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:47.240 I had a location on one of them. So I've 275 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.599 gone there. And what's interesting is, like I said, there's 276 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:51.920 a bike path, so it's it's open to the public. 277 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:53.960 It's owned by the city, but it's open to the public. 278 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:58.519 Where these two burial mounds are at it's deep in 279 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:00.400 the woods, so. 280 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.880 They're still there. Maybe they leveled it out by now 281 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:04.880 or so. 282 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:09.759 That's that's the interesting thing. In the article, Newberry doesn't 283 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:14.559 really say that. He does him and his son go 284 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.880 and they excavate these two burial mounds. But in this 285 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:21.400 article from nineteen thirty two for the full Bright Burials, 286 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:26.000 he doesn't say what size the skeletons are. There's still 287 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:31.960 some pretty interesting characteristics about them because the first one 288 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:38.160 was the most north mound. He unearthed it and he 289 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:41.680 found a skeleton in there where the skull was painted red, 290 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:46.400 which I thought that was very unique, a red like 291 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:49.240 they just before when this person died, they just painted 292 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:51.680 it red. And Newberry believed this person would have been 293 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.319 of someone of high importance or some kind of chieftain, 294 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.759 which as I've studied this, it seems like a lot 295 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.400 of the Nephelm giants. They were revered as you know, 296 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.440 some kind of leader or chieftain they were. They were 297 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:07.440 the top dogs. 298 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:07.960 In the Bible too. 299 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:10.240 Do you ever notice that nick that's in the Bible 300 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:13.880 because all the odd kings and stuff were giants. 301 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:15.480 And then even when they picked. 302 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.000 Saul, Yeah, a lot of people look over it, but 303 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:20.440 there was a little caveat in there. It says that 304 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:23.799 they the whole reason they selected Saul was because he 305 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.000 was head and shoulders taller than the rest, and they 306 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:31.480 specifically said they wanted a king like the other nations. 307 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:34.400 Nations had giant kings. 308 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.400 Yeah, I even wonder Pharaoh was a Pharaoh could have 309 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:44.960 possibly been a Nephelom or some kind of Nephelim like ruler. 310 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:49.519 But anyway, that's a very interesting I never caught I mean, 311 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.160 I know that it's said that Saul was a head 312 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:54.240 taller than everybody else, so he would have been probably 313 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:57.119 at least seven foot six and a half seven foot 314 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:00.960 I meant. But anyway, and there were of la Morzuli 315 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:07.720 I digress, so the skull is painted red. And then 316 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:10.799 just south of that there was another burial mound where 317 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:15.039 there was seven skeletons a ligne like the spokes on 318 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.319 a wheel. And I was like, man, that's a very 319 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:25.400 interesting characteristic also for a burial mound. Yeah, to answer 320 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:29.480 your question, I can go hike up there right now 321 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:36.000 and find the remains of these burial mounds. You can see, 322 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:41.319 if you were not aware of the newspaper article, you'd 323 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:43.920 look right past him. You just think it's the lay 324 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:46.000 of the land or the start of a sinkhole or 325 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:49.519 something like that. But what's funny is actually about a 326 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:52.279 year ago I went out there and I was walking 327 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.119 around in the wooded area, and there was a younger guy, 328 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:00.279 probably in his twenties, riding his bicycle around mountain bike 329 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.599 and jumping over these burial mounds. And I told him. 330 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:05.799 I was like, you know, these are burial mounds. He's like, no, 331 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:08.440 they're not, because he was kind of he was taking 332 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:11.079 aback that I was up there walking around and he 333 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:14.799 I mean, he kind of startled me too, but I 334 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:16.319 was like, yes they are. So I pulled out my 335 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:19.240 phone and I showed him the article. He turned pale 336 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:22.440 as a ghost, and he's like, this place feels different 337 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:26.039 now that I know. He's like, this place feels different 338 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:28.920 now that I know what this is. I've never seen 339 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:30.960 that poor kid out there riding that bike anymore. 340 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:34.599 You ruined bike stuck. 341 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:42.039 There's other places anyway. So but yeah, you can go there, 342 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:44.759 you can see where the Indian Chieftain Mound is at 343 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:49.039 because you see part of the burial mound and then 344 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:51.400 just a little divid in the very top. And then 345 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.640 if you go just a little south of that, you 346 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:57.880 see another mound that's been excavated a little more. Well, 347 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:01.359 that would make sense because there was seven and buried 348 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:04.960 like the spokes on a wheel. Well, I really believe 349 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:07.720 that that spokes on a wheel is some kind of 350 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:13.480 nephelim burial practice because in frit Zimmerman's book, he makes 351 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:18.559 reference to multiple mound sites in the Ohio and Indiana 352 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:23.079 areas where there have been spoke mound burials. And I 353 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:29.000 mean majority of the mound complexes are in Ohio and Indiana. 354 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:33.640 That's where it seems like these they constructed most of 355 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:38.839 these mound complexes. But one interesting one is in nineteen 356 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:44.759 twenty in Indiana, there was a farmer who unearthed a 357 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:49.200 spoke mound burial where there was eight skeletons lined up 358 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:51.759 like the spokes on a wheel. Well, one of the 359 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.480 skeletons was anywhere from eight to nine foot tall. So 360 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:59.359 I'm like, there's the connection right there. You got a 361 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:03.279 spoke mound bear with a recorded eight to nine footer. 362 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.119 Then you have a spoke mountin burial over here in 363 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:09.960 Springfield where kid, a kid is riding a bike around 364 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:14.519 thinking it's just a cool place to jump, you know, 365 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:17.640 jump his mountain bike. So it for me that right 366 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:20.039 there was like this is one shred piece of evidence, 367 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:23.160 and it's kind of like so it's kind of like you, like, 368 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:25.400 I know, whenever you talked about your book, you said 369 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:28.119 it was like laying out pieces of a puzzle and 370 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:31.400 you're having to put them together. That's exact I know 371 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:36.039 You're you're doing that with the Bible and you know, 372 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:40.079 extra biblical text. For me, I felt the exact same way, 373 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:45.559 but I was doing it with newspaper clippings and old newspaper, 374 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:51.599 not newspaper, old books of the history of Springfield that 375 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:59.559 I found, it found in the library, genealogical records, plat maps, 376 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:02.559 Like it was still with that same feeling of putting 377 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:07.119 together a puzzle to get the full picture. Because what's 378 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:12.640 also interesting, like I said, Sterling Newberry found these two 379 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:19.119 burial mounds well about twenty years earlier, in nineteen fourteen. 380 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:21.960 There's a book called, I think it's called The History 381 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:25.799 of Springfield, And there was a portion in there where 382 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:32.599 it's talking about the cave dwellers, and this portion was written, 383 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:35.799 I think you've used on a video on cave dwellers before, 384 00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:37.519 haven't you. Yeah. 385 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:42.799 I think they're's heavily influenced by nepheline slash wild Man 386 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:46.839 because all the legends and lower they they're all cavell Yeah. 387 00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:51.799 Yeah. So what's interesting is this Fulbright area is very cavernous. 388 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:57.680 There's multiple caves there. Well, about a mile mile and 389 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:02.240 a half east of where these burial mountd are at, 390 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:06.319 there was a cave in nineteen fourteen that a guy 391 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:14.519 named em Shepherd. Em Shepherd was a He was a 392 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:19.480 dean and also professor at one of the local universities here. Well, 393 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:23.039 he wrote in this book he wrote a little excerpt 394 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:25.400 in this book on the history of Springfield that he 395 00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:29.440 found that he was alerted to a cave close to 396 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:31.440 the Owens property. Well, when I looked at an old 397 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:35.880 plat map. So there was a cave close to what's 398 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:39.039 where there's this now Lost Hill Park is at Lost 399 00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:42.119 Hill Park is proud, Like I said, probably a mile 400 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.720 mile and a half on the same greenway trail on 401 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.359