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<v Speaker 5>Oh hey, it's technically expired yogurt. That's probably still fine

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<v Speaker 5>and may be even more alive. Ali Ward back with

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<v Speaker 5>a promised special episode of Ologies. Oh what a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of weeks it's been my god. If you're a patron,

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<v Speaker 5>a patriar and O kompslash ologies, you know that I

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<v Speaker 5>was in the er and why. But if you're not,

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<v Speaker 5>and you're like, what did you die? I did not,

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<v Speaker 5>but I will one day, but just not today. At

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<v Speaker 5>the end of the episode, during the secret portion, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>tell you why I find myself in the er for

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<v Speaker 5>seven hours during a pandemic. But I thought I deserved

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<v Speaker 5>some weekend loafing. I said to myself, Fuck all, let's

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<v Speaker 5>make this intended bonus episode a full blown Tuesday one.

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<v Speaker 2>Shall we?

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<v Speaker 6>We?

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<v Speaker 2>Shall? We did? Here?

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<v Speaker 5>We are okay. So this is a really great conversation

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<v Speaker 5>with my old pal, see Andrew Hall. He is an

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<v Speaker 5>Emmy Award nominated editor, my first friend I ever made

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<v Speaker 5>in LA decades ago, and the person who really helped

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<v Speaker 5>me pave my path to being a science communicator by

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<v Speaker 5>introducing me to find folks at Innovation Nation on CBS,

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<v Speaker 5>which we're now shooting our eighth season. I'm recording this

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<v Speaker 5>in a hotel room outside of Detroit shooting actually, to

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<v Speaker 5>be honest, Innovation Nation check your local listings. It's on Saturdays, CBS.

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<v Speaker 5>But first I want to say thank you to all

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<v Speaker 5>the folks supporting via patreon dot com slash ologies. Thank

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<v Speaker 5>you to everyone who recommends ologies to friends and family

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<v Speaker 5>and who rates. Of course, to everyone who leaves reviews

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<v Speaker 5>such as this fresh one. It was written by sev

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<v Speaker 5>one two three, four five I'm a feeling, not the

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<v Speaker 5>real name, but they said I have severe depression and

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<v Speaker 5>listening to this podcast makes me feel so much better.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Ally sev one two three four five. Thank

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<v Speaker 5>you for finding the time to write that, and I

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<v Speaker 5>really appreciate you back. I hope this episode helps with

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<v Speaker 5>some of the existential gloom we all feel. Actually, I

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<v Speaker 5>know it well, so let's get into it, okay. So

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<v Speaker 5>Andy first told me about the draw Down design project

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<v Speaker 5>two years ago. He was vexed by climate change and

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<v Speaker 5>he was inspired by the draw Down project discussed in

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<v Speaker 5>the How to Save a Planet episode that we aired

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<v Speaker 5>last week. And so draw down is the point at

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<v Speaker 5>which greenhouse gases start to decline, which is the goal

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<v Speaker 5>of folks aiming to reverse human cost climate change. So

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<v Speaker 5>you will hear how Andy has always had environmentalism in

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<v Speaker 5>mind and the power of art to start conversations and movements.

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<v Speaker 5>How to approach climate change feeling less terrified and more empowered,

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<v Speaker 5>How optimism helps scientists find solutions, and the social and

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<v Speaker 5>cultural aspects of eco concerns. How sexism is not healthy

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<v Speaker 5>for anyone really, Plus solar panels, babies, steak Zeus voting,

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<v Speaker 5>comic books, movie posters, snack tables, what choices you make

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<v Speaker 5>matter most? And how commissioning the world's best artists and

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<v Speaker 5>illustrators to make climate gig posters is his calling in life.

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<v Speaker 5>So I went over to his house one night after

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<v Speaker 5>his kiddos were in bed. We were sip and whiskey

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<v Speaker 5>and we were talking solutions and shooting the shit with

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<v Speaker 5>my old old friend who is also the guy who

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<v Speaker 5>now has to edit me on Innovation Nation every week

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<v Speaker 5>and the founder and creative director of the nonprofit draw

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<v Speaker 5>Down Design Project, Andy Hall.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you, nerd know? Do you know who the fucking

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<v Speaker 2>editor is?

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<v Speaker 6>Me?

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<v Speaker 2>And the tables? Some toned?

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<v Speaker 6>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>I know how many hours of my stupid face of

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<v Speaker 2>your edit? What I know? Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>The first thing I make you do is if you

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<v Speaker 5>can say your first and last name in your pronouns

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<v Speaker 5>you we're on.

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<v Speaker 6>My name is Sandra Hall. Everyone calls me Andy. My

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<v Speaker 6>pronouns are him? Is him? Yep?

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<v Speaker 2>Correct? How long have we known each other? Sandrew Hall?

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<v Speaker 6>My god, nineteen ninety nine, I know, so that is

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<v Speaker 6>twenty oh years.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>Do people want to hear our like meeting story? Is

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<v Speaker 6>that the kind of well?

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's relevant, and I think it's relevant. You

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<v Speaker 5>were one of my first non like came here, moved

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<v Speaker 5>with roommates like you were one of my first people

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<v Speaker 6>In La me too.

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<v Speaker 2>In the time. You had a ponytail and birkenstocks.

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<v Speaker 6>I never wore birkenstocks. I realized how you could, how

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<v Speaker 6>you could add that to the image based on what

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<v Speaker 6>I looked like. But I definitely never wore works.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you wear tevas?

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<v Speaker 6>I probably wore t Yeah, potato potato, Well, I disagree, but.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, they're they are They're a different vibe, they're a

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<v Speaker 5>different five.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So I met you you were a PA or

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<v Speaker 5>you were a DGA trainee.

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<v Speaker 6>I was a production assistant yeah, in Barbie commercial.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I was working craft service. Was it Taco

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<v Speaker 2>Bell or Jack of the Box?

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<v Speaker 6>It was Taco Bell. Before we move on, I think

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<v Speaker 6>people should know about your craft service table.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Yeah, well you talked about it. Okay, I still

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<v Speaker 5>stand by it. I stand by standing by that craft

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<v Speaker 5>service tab.

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<v Speaker 6>So when I was this production assistant on the Barber commercial,

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<v Speaker 6>I was stuck in this hallway and also in the hallway,

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<v Speaker 6>same hallway, but from the stage next door in the

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<v Speaker 6>Taco Bell commercial was Ali Ward and your craft service table.

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<v Speaker 6>And I've seen a lot of craft service tables in

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<v Speaker 6>my day, and I'm pretty sure this is the cutest, quirkiest,

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<v Speaker 6>funnest craft service table ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you need levels levels.

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<v Speaker 6>You had the risers. I had risers, right, and tablecloth

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<v Speaker 6>over it. Yep. So each item was on its own

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<v Speaker 6>little pedestal, and then you had a little placard for

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<v Speaker 6>each item.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, yeah, you gotta label it. People need to

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<v Speaker 5>know are these peanut butter pretzels? Are these sour patches?

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<v Speaker 5>What am I about to eat?

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<v Speaker 2>Here?

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<v Speaker 6>Is this humus? Is this a cliff bar?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? What is it?

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<v Speaker 6>Yea? And the when Ali posts on her Instagram, she

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<v Speaker 6>has that blackboard with that like Ali font that tells

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<v Speaker 6>you what theologist is. That is the exact handwriting. That's

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<v Speaker 6>Ali's handwriting. I assume everyone knows that. I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>that's the exact handwriting that was on each placard, and

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<v Speaker 6>that The funny thing is that it's not like she

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't try to do that. That's how Ali writes, like

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<v Speaker 6>it was a grocery list, Like that's what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not wrong. You're not wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>But I remember you were stuck by this Barbie door

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<v Speaker 5>for so long, and I was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Your graft service sucks. If you want to hate some

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<v Speaker 2>of ours, you know, I eat some cheese.

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<v Speaker 5>Man, and then we struck up a conversation and we've

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<v Speaker 5>been friends forever. It's a good thing at a good

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<v Speaker 5>craft service table.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, and now I'm on your podcast. What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't realize that you had studied environmental engineering? Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>so what did your Is that what your bachelor's is in? Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>in environmental engineering?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>How did you get into film?

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<v Speaker 6>I worked on a set when I was a senior

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<v Speaker 6>in college, and I got the bug and I moved

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<v Speaker 6>to LA and then I ended up on Barbie commercial

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<v Speaker 6>next to Ally Ward.

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<v Speaker 5>The rest, as they say, is history. It's just slowly

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<v Speaker 5>warming seawater rising under a bridge. So in the interim,

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<v Speaker 5>we both got married. Andy is now the dad to

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<v Speaker 5>two adorable kiddos with his wife, doctor Erica Hall, and

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<v Speaker 5>a few years ago Andy bought the twenty seventeen book

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<v Speaker 5>draw Down, the most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse

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<v Speaker 5>global warming, by environmental scientists Paul Hawkin and Catherine Wilkinson,

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<v Speaker 5>who was on last week's guest episode How to Save

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<v Speaker 5>a Planet, and Catherine and doctor Diana Elizabeth Johnson co

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<v Speaker 5>edited the book All we Can Save about Climate solutions too.

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<v Speaker 5>But sorry, we're getting ahead of ourselves here. Tell me

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<v Speaker 5>about draw Down, Tell me about what kind of captivated

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<v Speaker 5>you about that research and about that book that you're read.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just basically a list of solutions to global warming

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<v Speaker 6>mm hmm, both sinks that suck greenhouse gases out of

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<v Speaker 6>the atmosphere and ways to reduce putting more greenhouse gases

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<v Speaker 6>into the atmosphere. And it's very nerdy and just like math.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just like they got statistics, but a bunch of

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<v Speaker 6>scientists they modeled all these solutions and they just made

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<v Speaker 6>a list of which are the different ones, which are

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<v Speaker 6>maybe the best, and what we should focus on. And

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<v Speaker 6>it's like, I really responded to how pragmatic it is.

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<v Speaker 6>It's super apolitical. It's just like, here's what we need

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<v Speaker 6>to do. And it's so inspiring because a when you

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<v Speaker 6>read it, you learn we have the solutions, like this

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<v Speaker 6>is something that is completely doable, and you realize how

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<v Speaker 6>practical the problem is. It's just this practical problem that

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<v Speaker 6>we have to solve. It's not this pie and the

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<v Speaker 6>sky thing, and the way the way the media covers

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<v Speaker 6>climate change, the climate anxiety of spreads online, there's sort

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<v Speaker 6>of this fog around what to do about it, and

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<v Speaker 6>this really cuts through that. It's just like, here's what

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<v Speaker 6>we need to do. Here's a list. I just found

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<v Speaker 6>that really inspiring because I don't I don't encounter that

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<v Speaker 6>a lot. Right when you're when you're doom scrolling on

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<v Speaker 6>your phone, it's not like this, this really pragmatic list of

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<v Speaker 6>the things you just need to do. And that's part

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<v Speaker 6>of my it's partially my personality, Like I just respond

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<v Speaker 6>to that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think a lot of us are like I

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<v Speaker 5>just do I use paper straws. Well, things get better then,

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<v Speaker 5>and all of us are very confused about our individual

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<v Speaker 5>responsibility versus how can we move a needle politically or

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<v Speaker 5>socially so that this.

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<v Speaker 2>Can kind of reverse itself. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember we were we met up for coffee when

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<v Speaker 5>you found this book, and you were like, what do

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<v Speaker 5>you think some of the biggest contributors to global warming are? Like,

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<v Speaker 5>what are some of the biggest changes we need to make?

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, I was like, we gotta stop toasting bagels.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I didn't know the game.

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<v Speaker 6>To ask that question.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever do that? At hey cocktail parties? You

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<v Speaker 2>got anyone want to guess what's number three on the list?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean I've tried. That's not the best cocktail party.

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<v Speaker 5>Which is the whole point. We don't have these conversations enough,

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<v Speaker 5>No one wants to be the bummer at a dinner party,

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<v Speaker 5>and the problem seems so enormous, so we don't talk

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<v Speaker 5>about it in casual, positive, proactive ways. But when Andy

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<v Speaker 6>but the number one thing, I think it's no longer

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<v Speaker 6>It's a huge problem. And what's great about that one

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<v Speaker 6>is it's not it's not it's something we think we

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't require a revolution in the energy sector. It

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't require everyone to stop flying to see their grandmother.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like the kind of thing that we could just do.

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<v Speaker 6>And since the book came out, there has been a

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<v Speaker 6>that happening. And those are the kind of things that

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, what is up with refrigerants? It is not a

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<v Speaker 5>chill situation. So hydrofluorocarbons are organic compounds. They're made of

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<v Speaker 5>and they can warm the atmosphere a thousand to nine

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<v Speaker 5>So a lot of the leakage, about ninety percent, happens

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<v Speaker 5>at the disposal phase. So can we just use something

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<v Speaker 5>else when we can? There are natural things like propane

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<v Speaker 5>so hydrofluorocarbons are starting to get phased out now more.

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<v Speaker 5>There was even legislation about winding down their production that

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<v Speaker 2>What are some of the other big ones?

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<v Speaker 6>the big ones in the energy sector are if you're

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<v Speaker 6>trying to electrify your sources of energy. That's obviously solar

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<v Speaker 6>farms on shore and offshore wind, rooftop solar nuclear, which

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<v Speaker 6>is controversial. There's other funky ones like burning biomass and

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<v Speaker 6>that's the main thing that really needs to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, is stop combusting a bunch of coal and barfing

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>And let's start using all of this solar radiation that

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, And I am not a client scientist, nor am

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<v Speaker 6>I an energy expert, but I'm just inspired by the

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<v Speaker 6>how doable it really is. Like all this technology exists,

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<v Speaker 6>years ago. And we and by way, I mean politicians

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<v Speaker 6>them to could just do it. It would be easy.

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<v Speaker 6>Not easy is maybe the wrong word, but it's doable.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not completely unfeasible.

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<v Speaker 5>We're not just like on a crash course toward an

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<v Speaker 5>incinerating planet. Where everyone's children and babies are all just

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<v Speaker 5>crackling toast because it's too hot correct, which.

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<v Speaker 6>Is worth noting that it's worth noting that no one

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<v Speaker 6>really thinks that's going to happen, I know, the worst circumstances,

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<v Speaker 6>despite the fact that the media makes it seem like

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<v Speaker 6>that's what's going to happen, But there are really terrible

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like when you started looking into this, you

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<v Speaker 5>seemed like you were very motivated by the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>you had a daughter. Yeah, a very cute, smart, wonderful daughter,

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<v Speaker 5>and he thought, oh, I gotta leave this place better

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<v Speaker 5>than I found it, I suppose. So is that what

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<v Speaker 5>motivated Good Old DDP the Drawdown Design project.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's certainly part of it. And the other thing

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<v Speaker 6>that happens when you have kids is it's like instant

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<v Speaker 6>ego death reevaluate what matters. You know, it's such a cliche,

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<v Speaker 6>but it's completely true. You just realize all the bullshit

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<v Speaker 6>that you've been spending your time on in your twenties

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<v Speaker 6>is like, maybe it doesn't really matter.

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<v Speaker 6>It starts you see the clock ticking and you think, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>what can I work on? What can I do.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel that same way with about Grammy. She's gonna

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<v Speaker 5>die before me, but I'm still ha been the planet

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<v Speaker 5>for her. But have you had you ever taken on

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<v Speaker 5>a design project like this before? I mean you've directed,

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<v Speaker 5>and you've produced, and you've edited, and you've been nominated

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<v Speaker 5>for Emmys and all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean no, in the sense of illustration, definitely, But

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<v Speaker 6>it wasn't initially. I didn't initially come to illustration like

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<v Speaker 6>I was initially after I read this book, just inspired

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<v Speaker 6>by it and frustrated by how this approach to climate change.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't see that reflected in at least the media

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<v Speaker 6>and art and conversations that I was having. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 6>I just I wanted this way of seeing, you know

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<v Speaker 6>that we have the solutions, positive mindset. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 6>then I started thinking about, like me, how could I

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we were talking about how it's not necessarily something

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<v Speaker 5>you would bring up at a cocktail party at this

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<v Speaker 5>stage in like where we're at with culture. But I

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<v Speaker 5>remember you saying I want something that you can hang

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<v Speaker 5>on the wall that would be a beautiful art piece

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<v Speaker 5>that you could talk about with people, so that climate

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<v Speaker 5>change and what we needed to do as people wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>just like, well, we're fucked, but actually, okay, this is

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<v Speaker 5>a conversation I'm having. And I also think it should

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<v Speaker 5>be noted that a big fan of fish and gig posters,

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<v Speaker 5>is that kind of what led you to do something

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, of course, I mean there is an aspect of

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<v Speaker 6>it where I'm a comic book fan and I love

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<v Speaker 6>gig posters and I love alternative movie posters, And because

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<v Speaker 6>I knew that world and I knew those illustrators, it

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<v Speaker 6>just seemed obvious and obvious way to tap into that

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<v Speaker 6>kind of talent and just to make cool climate art,

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<v Speaker 6>you know. I mean that a nice way to say this,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, like there's just a lot of really lame

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<v Speaker 6>climate art out there, right, you need any more crying earths.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't need any more sad polar bears on a

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<v Speaker 6>nice flow, you know, Like we don't need another there's

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<v Speaker 6>want to see some cool climate art that's positive and

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<v Speaker 6>like reflects the excitement that it that there is going on,

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<v Speaker 6>and like the kind of climate solution community.

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<v Speaker 5>So in the Is Your Carbon Footprint BS episode of

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<v Speaker 5>How to Save a Planet that we ran last week,

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<v Speaker 5>doctor Johnson and Alex Blomberg talked about how the term

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<v Speaker 5>carbon footprint was pushed by fossil fuel companies to kind

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<v Speaker 5>of shift the environmental burden onto consumers, sort of a

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<v Speaker 5>why are you hitting yourself move but involving mass extinctions.

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<v Speaker 5>And then they crunch some numbers to reveal that the

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<v Speaker 5>average Americans pretty big carbon footprint. It's sixteen tons of

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<v Speaker 5>emissions yearly is zero point zero zero zero zero's zero

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<v Speaker 5>zeros and then a three, so yes, pitching in to

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<v Speaker 5>are at work here. So the Drawdown team of over

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<v Speaker 5>two hundred scientists and policy makers made a list of

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<v Speaker 5>technically viable existing solutions and found that refrigerants were a

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<v Speaker 5>big deal. Food waste is another big one. Family planning,

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<v Speaker 5>tropical forest restoration for carbon sinks, and onshore wind turbines

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<v Speaker 5>were also biggies. So big solutions to big problems. So

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<v Speaker 5>Andy read this and was inspired to help communicate these

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<v Speaker 5>strategies in a very visually arresting way. He also loves concerts,

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<v Speaker 5>So think of a gig poster or a movie poster

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<v Speaker 5>or comic book art. He commissioned four, each with one theme.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going to describe them each. Also, just so you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I really believe even this project from its very inception,

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<v Speaker 5>on Instagram. But yes, the designs.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you come to the four that you decided on?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, to be honest, with your help, I got together

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<v Speaker 6>a room full of interesting people and we just talked

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<v Speaker 2>Way smarter than us.

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<v Speaker 6>Way smarter than us. There were some scientists, sent some

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<v Speaker 6>people in marketing, and just some smart people we know,

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<v Speaker 6>and yeah, we just looked through the book and all

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<v Speaker 6>to present was like political engagement. You know, when people

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<v Speaker 6>they list that you should stop flying, and you should

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<v Speaker 6>drive an electric car, and you should get a plant

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<v Speaker 6>based diet. And yes, those are great if you want

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<v Speaker 6>to reflect your values in your everyday life. But really,

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<v Speaker 6>to me, you should vote for climate candidates and you

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<v Speaker 6>should send money to climate organizations. You know, there are

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of studies that show that, you know, if

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<v Speaker 6>you send money to organizations that are lobbying for climate

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<v Speaker 6>change solutions like that, just impact dwarfs. Anything else you

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<v Speaker 6>can do, you know. So our first print is called Engage,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's about political engagement. That one is by this

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<v Speaker 6>gig poster artist named Brian Steely, and I knew his

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<v Speaker 6>and they're all they're all presenting themselves as being engaged

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<v Speaker 6>in the climate fight. So one has a ballot and

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<v Speaker 6>like the Earth. There's a fun fisherman looking guy who

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<v Speaker 6>And I didn't prescribe these images to the illustrators, like

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<v Speaker 6>I gave them the solutions that their print was going

427
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<v Speaker 6>to be inspired by, and they just went with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's great.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>What was it like for Engage when you got some

431
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<v Speaker 5>of the first art back.

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<v Speaker 6>It was pretty exciting, you know, because it definitely it's

433
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<v Speaker 6>fun when you have this idea in your head of

434
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<v Speaker 6>what you want something to be and then you collaborate

435
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<v Speaker 6>with someone else who's really talented and they do a

436
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<v Speaker 6>better job and you could you get to see it,

437
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<v Speaker 6>and it was just really fun learning about the printing process.

438
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<v Speaker 6>So these are all screen printed, which is a really

439
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<v Speaker 6>analog process, which is traditional to gig post, which is

440
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<v Speaker 6>so it's not like a digital inkjet printer if you

441
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<v Speaker 6>haven't seen it before. It's like a press and the

442
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<v Speaker 6>printer makes a screen for each color layer and then

443
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<v Speaker 6>they individually press each layer of ink onto the paper.

444
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<v Speaker 6>So it's a very analog process, and the prints themselves

445
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<v Speaker 6>have like a ton of texture. The paper on this

446
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<v Speaker 6>one is this really cool blue cover stock, and so

447
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<v Speaker 6>when you see the blue on that one that's just

448
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<v Speaker 6>the raw paper. So when you touch the blue part,

449
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<v Speaker 6>it's just raw paper, there's no ink there. And then

450
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<v Speaker 6>the rest of it is the ink colors. Just a

451
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<v Speaker 6>combination of a super fun image that is inspired by

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<v Speaker 6>climate change solutions and the ideas you hang something like

453
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<v Speaker 6>this on your wall and when you first see it,

454
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<v Speaker 6>you know the text that tells you what the solutions

455
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<v Speaker 6>are is not doesn't dominate the image, and so the

456
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<v Speaker 6>idea is that it's kind of an art piece first,

457
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<v Speaker 6>and then it allows people to ask. Hopefully they ask

458
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<v Speaker 6>you what it is, and then if you are familiar

459
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<v Speaker 6>with the solutions that it's inspired by, then you can

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<v Speaker 6>have a fun conversation about what those solutions are right.

461
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<v Speaker 6>And all the solutions are things that you can do.

462
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<v Speaker 6>None of these prints depict things you shouldn't do right,

463
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<v Speaker 6>because a lot of environmental language and press and propaganda

464
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<v Speaker 6>around environmentalism is really negative focused. It's really like about

465
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<v Speaker 6>austerity and the things you shouldn't do, and that is important,

466
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<v Speaker 6>there is a place for that, but I really wanted

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<v Speaker 6>these to be positive about things that you can do affirmatively.

468
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<v Speaker 5>Right, rather than things you're doing wrong. You should be

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<v Speaker 5>ashamed of yourself.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think. I think we've got plenty of shame

471
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<v Speaker 6>people who people who believe in climate change and believe

472
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<v Speaker 6>in the climate science and are scared about it, they

473
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<v Speaker 6>feel bad enough, right, I don't think I think there

474
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<v Speaker 6>was a place for that initially, but I think now

475
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<v Speaker 6>we need to start getting excited about what the world

476
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<v Speaker 6>can look like if we do these things.

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<v Speaker 5>And so the aim is to galvanize people and to

478
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<v Speaker 5>essentially kind of get them excited about making some change

479
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<v Speaker 5>and yeah, being more involved.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and just be as fun.

481
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<v Speaker 5>It just should be fun, yeah, and pretty.

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<v Speaker 6>Just yeah, the whole the point is to do something

483
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<v Speaker 6>fun and exciting and like positive. You know, I want

484
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<v Speaker 6>people to feel good.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, tell me about Cultivate.

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<v Speaker 6>Cultivate is inspired by plant based solutions to climate change,

487
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<v Speaker 6>and it is by a UK based artist. Her pen

488
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<v Speaker 6>name is Tula Lote. Her real name is Lisa Wood. Okay,

489
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<v Speaker 6>I've been a fan of hers forever she does. She's

490
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<v Speaker 6>a comic book artist. She's done some really cool stuff

491
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<v Speaker 6>for Marvel and a bunch of other common companies. She

492
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<v Speaker 6>also has done a bunch of alternative movie posters Formanda,

493
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<v Speaker 6>which is how I know her. She has this incredible

494
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:05.559
<v Speaker 6>drive poster and yeah, she was on my short short list,

495
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<v Speaker 6>and she said, yes.

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<v Speaker 5>It was it Banana's getting emails back from people that

497
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<v Speaker 5>you really liked their work and they were like, yeah, sure,

498
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<v Speaker 5>I'm done.

499
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<v Speaker 6>Yes it was bananas.

500
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<v Speaker 5>Cut bangs, text your art crushes, eat more plants because

501
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 5>your body and mind will thank you. To be honest,

502
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 5>your guts and forehead are going to be like finally, finally, bitch.

503
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<v Speaker 6>So for her it was plant based solutions. The background

504
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<v Speaker 6>is all pink and the main figure is a woman

505
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<v Speaker 6>in a blue dress. She's probably a farmer, you know.

506
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<v Speaker 6>She's carrying a big bundle of wheat that is just

507
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<v Speaker 6>gorgeously drawn. The detail in it is so so beautiful,

508
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.559
<v Speaker 6>and she's got a bamboo pole over her shoulder and

509
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<v Speaker 6>she's kind of looking off into the distance. You know,

510
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<v Speaker 6>I kind of go back and forth. I don't know

511
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<v Speaker 6>if she's sad or determined. It's just a beautiful image.

512
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<v Speaker 6>It's it's, you know, like a lot of great illustrations,

513
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<v Speaker 6>it's hard to pin down exactly what it means. It's

514
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<v Speaker 6>just it's evocative when you see it. Every single one

515
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<v Speaker 6>of these artists when they sent me their initial idea.

516
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<v Speaker 6>They would send the idea and they would invariably say,

517
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<v Speaker 6>but you know, I'll tone it down a little, is

518
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<v Speaker 6>what they would say, because I think they were reacting

519
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<v Speaker 6>to what they have normally seen in like climate art.

520
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<v Speaker 6>Is this sort of NPR tote bag, Yes, sort of

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<v Speaker 6>toned down let's not be too crazy sensibility. And I

522
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<v Speaker 6>would always email back and be like, do not, under

523
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<v Speaker 6>any circumstances tone it down, so as crazy as you

524
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<v Speaker 6>possibly can. Like, the whole point is for this to

525
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<v Speaker 6>be as expressive as possible.

526
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<v Speaker 2>And then what about Empower?

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like Empower is one of the most colorful

528
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<v Speaker 5>of the bud two.

529
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so empower is about So empower is inspired by

530
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<v Speaker 6>solutions to climate change based around health and education, primarily

531
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<v Speaker 6>for women and girls. This one is this one was

532
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<v Speaker 6>It took a long time to decide whether or not

533
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<v Speaker 6>to include this one in the set because this is

534
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<v Speaker 6>a controversial set of solutions to climate change. And if

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<v Speaker 6>you're interested, I encourage you to go to the Project

536
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<v Speaker 6>Drawdown site and read more about it there. They have

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<v Speaker 6>a great way of talking about it. But these solutions,

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<v Speaker 6>which are basically education equity, educating girls, giving girls access

539
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<v Speaker 6>to family planning, and I included climate justice on this

540
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<v Speaker 6>one because that seemed to fit in the theme of empowerment.

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<v Speaker 6>But those first two solutions, education equity and giving girls

542
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<v Speaker 6>access to family planning, are controversial because the basis of

543
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<v Speaker 6>that solution is there'll be less people.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, let's get into this. So this is the draw

545
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<v Speaker 5>Down's health and education solution, and there are a few

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<v Speaker 5>components to it. First is universal education, So the Drawdown

547
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<v Speaker 5>website reports that sixty two million girls around the world

548
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<v Speaker 5>are kept from their right to education, but that making

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<v Speaker 5>school affordable, helping girls overcome health barriers, reducing the time

550
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<v Speaker 5>and distance to get to school, and making schools more

551
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<v Speaker 5>girl friendly would help. And they say quote, educated girls

552
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<v Speaker 5>realize higher wages and greater upward mobility, contributing to economic growth.

553
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<v Speaker 5>Their rates of maternal mortality drop, as do mortality rates

554
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<v Speaker 5>of their babies. And education also equips girls and women

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<v Speaker 5>to face the impacts of climate change. They can be

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<v Speaker 5>more effective stewards of food, soil, trees, and water even

557
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<v Speaker 5>as nature's cycles change quote, which this brings up the

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<v Speaker 5>family planning issue. So according to Drawdown research, women with

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<v Speaker 5>more years of education have fewer and healthier and are

560
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<v Speaker 5>better prepared to actively manage their reproductive health. I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>going to quote the Drawdown Project directly here, they say, Quote,

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<v Speaker 5>some two hundred and twenty five million women in lower

563
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<v Speaker 5>income countries say they want the ability to choose whether

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<v Speaker 5>and when to become pregnant, but lack the necessary access

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<v Speaker 5>to contraception, and the need persists in some high income

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<v Speaker 5>countries as well, including the United States, where forty five

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<v Speaker 5>percent of pregnancies are unintended. Currently, the world faces a

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<v Speaker 5>five point three billion dollar funding shortfall for providing the

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<v Speaker 5>access to reproductive healthcare that women say they want to have.

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<v Speaker 2>End quote.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously that gender language was binary, but non binary tran folks,

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<v Speaker 5>I see you too, and the draw down continues. Honoring

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<v Speaker 5>the dignity of women and children through family planning is

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<v Speaker 5>not about governments forcing the birth rate down or up

575
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<v Speaker 5>through natalist policies, Nor is it about those enriched countries

576
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<v Speaker 5>where emissions are highest telling people elsewhere to stop having children.

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<v Speaker 5>When family planning focuses on healthcare provision and meeting women's

578
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<v Speaker 5>expressed needs, empowerment, equality and well being are the result.

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<v Speaker 2>The benefits to the planet are side effects.

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<v Speaker 5>So Okay, what's the numerical bottom line here? How much

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<v Speaker 5>do health and education really impact the planet. So by

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<v Speaker 5>centering human rights issues of reproductive health and universal education

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<v Speaker 5>over the next thirty years, it would.

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<v Speaker 2>Reduce or sequester eighty.

585
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<v Speaker 5>Five point four giga tons gicket tons of carbon dioxide,

586
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<v Speaker 5>which is great if you weren't already sold on the

587
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<v Speaker 5>more people having access to education and control of their

588
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<v Speaker 5>own reproductive planning stuff. Personally, I am all for people

589
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<v Speaker 5>of all genders getting the school they want and getting

590
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<v Speaker 5>to make their own reproductive choices. Bonus, just a lot

591
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<v Speaker 5>less loose carbon boiling the oceans.

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<v Speaker 6>But this is one of those things that as you're

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<v Speaker 6>researching solutions to climate change, you discover that even if

594
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<v Speaker 6>they're was no global warming, all of these things are

595
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<v Speaker 6>worth doing. All these solutions to climate change have all

596
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<v Speaker 6>these incredible co benefits, and so even if educating girls

597
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<v Speaker 6>and giving them access to family planning made climate change worse,

598
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<v Speaker 6>it would still be worth doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>But it just so happens that in the modeling and

601
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<v Speaker 6>project draw down it makes you know, it reduces greenhouse

602
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<v Speaker 6>gases over time. So it's a controversial one. I decided

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<v Speaker 6>to include it because I have a daughter, and I

604
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<v Speaker 6>just believe in these things for women all over the world,

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<v Speaker 6>regardless of climate change. I'll leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, some of our.

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<v Speaker 5>Biggest voices I feel like in climate advocacy are women

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<v Speaker 5>absolutely absolutely had access to education education, yes, and were

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<v Speaker 5>empowered to use their voices.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes. Well that you know if you look at the

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<v Speaker 6>review of this in project draw down, they describe how

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<v Speaker 6>when women get access to education, and we're primarily talking

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<v Speaker 6>about women in other countries other than Western countries, they

614
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<v Speaker 6>tend to rise into leadership roles and they just they

615
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<v Speaker 6>tend to be leaders in a way that are as

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<v Speaker 6>climate friendly. Right, then the businesses they run and the

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<v Speaker 6>leadership positions they take, there's just a lot of knock

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<v Speaker 6>on and co benefits to making sure women and girls

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<v Speaker 6>have a fair shake all over the.

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<v Speaker 5>World, and just in general, like gender equity across the spectrum,

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like when there's more recognition of that that

622
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<v Speaker 5>tends to apply toward LGBTQ and trans folks in general,

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<v Speaker 5>where we're just trying to across the board get more

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<v Speaker 5>equity for people. Yes, which is a good thing, no

625
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<v Speaker 5>matter what. Yes, which is great. Andy wrote me a

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<v Speaker 5>note afterward, just to reiterate how passionate he is about

627
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<v Speaker 5>the co benefits of these solutions.

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<v Speaker 2>He says climate.

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<v Speaker 5>Justice also lifts people out of poverty. Access to family

630
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<v Speaker 5>planning also lets girls choose their own path. Electrification also

631
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<v Speaker 5>freese people from the silent epidemic of killer air pollution.

632
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<v Speaker 5>Wildland protection also saves us humans places to enjoy. Regenerative

633
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<v Speaker 5>agriculture also makes produce more nutritious and saves farmers money.

634
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<v Speaker 5>Plant rich diets also have personal health benefits. He says,

635
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<v Speaker 5>nearly all climate change solutions are worth doing even if

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<v Speaker 5>global warming was a non issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>I also love that he's made these posters and these

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<v Speaker 5>visuals that can spark conversations, and as they're doing, it

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<v Speaker 5>remind us to get more involved in the things that

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<v Speaker 5>do move the needle. So if you can help reverse

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<v Speaker 5>climate change, you can also clean out the garage. You

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<v Speaker 5>can write a novel, you can adopt a bunny like

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<v Speaker 5>you've always wanted to live your life, you can do it.

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<v Speaker 5>So the next poster is called empower Yes, and can

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<v Speaker 5>you describe that one?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah? So that's by a Brooklyn based comic book artist

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<v Speaker 6>named Carrie Randolph. He's worked for a ton of different

649
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<v Speaker 6>comic book companies, and he wanted to do a print

650
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<v Speaker 6>that was inspired by Jack Kirby. Jack Kirby is one

651
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<v Speaker 6>of the godfathers of comic book illustration. A lot of

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<v Speaker 6>the images that you've that everyone has sort of internalized

653
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<v Speaker 6>from the sixties and seventies he drew. He's a huge influence,

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<v Speaker 6>especially on Marvel stuff. And so the main figure in

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<v Speaker 6>this one, the girl in this figure, her costume is

656
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<v Speaker 6>of like a very Kirby costume, and the background in

657
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<v Speaker 6>this one all the like sort of intergalactic swirls and

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<v Speaker 6>circles that is a very typical of a Jack Kirby illustration.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's nicknamed Kirby Crackle. So it's a real Kirby homage.

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<v Speaker 6>This one. It's a real comic book which is great.

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<v Speaker 6>And she's just an awesome figure. I love her expression,

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<v Speaker 6>I love her attitude. I love that her hit job

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<v Speaker 6>turns into a cape. Yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>And the last one is Electrify.

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<v Speaker 6>So Electrify is by an Italian collective of illustrators who

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<v Speaker 6>are pretty well known in the gig poster world.

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<v Speaker 5>They're called Malleus, and their style is kind of trippy

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<v Speaker 5>and flowy.

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<v Speaker 6>They do these sort of vintage look San Francisco Bay

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<v Speaker 6>Area gig poster inspired illustrations, and yeah, I gave them

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<v Speaker 6>that they were I gave them the climate change solutions

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<v Speaker 6>that their print was going to be inspired by, which

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<v Speaker 6>is building, retrofitting, solar voltaics and electric vehicles, and this

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<v Speaker 6>is what they came up with. This one is really

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<v Speaker 6>cool because it's hand pulled by them in Italy in

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<v Speaker 6>their own studio. The other three it's a screen printing

677
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<v Speaker 6>machine that is still operated by a human. It's still analog,

678
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<v Speaker 6>but it allows for more precision. Whereas there's his hand pulled,

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<v Speaker 6>it's literally just like the artist is pulling like a

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<v Speaker 6>glob of ink over the screen on this wooden frame,

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<v Speaker 6>and so the ink just kind of gets denser. It's

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<v Speaker 6>a little messier at the edges in a great way,

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<v Speaker 6>and it gives it that really classic gig poster look.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a sort of a Zeus like figure with crazy

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<v Speaker 6>red hair, and he's got one arm pointed up to

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<v Speaker 6>the sun and I think he's sucking energy out of

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<v Speaker 6>it like a solar panel, and his other hand is

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<v Speaker 6>coming into the foreground and he's got some lightning bolts

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<v Speaker 6>coming out of it, and there's a bunch of hungry

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<v Speaker 6>electric plugs that look like snakes in the foreground, ready

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<v Speaker 6>to get some juice. I love that they're European plugs.

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<v Speaker 6>They're like the two twenty vault plugs. There's an awesome

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<v Speaker 6>moon with this cool grid in it in the background

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<v Speaker 6>and clouds, and the orange and blue inks in this

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<v Speaker 6>one are metallic inks, so it has a little shimmer.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just a great illustration.

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<v Speaker 5>So people can get them as a set, or they

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<v Speaker 5>can get them individually.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, So if you go to our website Drawdown Design

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<v Speaker 6>Project dot org, then yeah, you can buy one, you

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<v Speaker 6>can buy two, you can buy three, you can buy four,

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<v Speaker 6>and their first sale by donation.

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<v Speaker 5>So Andy's Drawdown Design Project is a nonprofit and each

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<v Speaker 5>print is seventy five bucks and one hundred percent of

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<v Speaker 5>the proceeds go to the Coalition for Rainforest Nations. And

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<v Speaker 5>the Coalition for Rainforest Nations develops policy and tools to

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<v Speaker 5>achieve sustainability for forested and adjacent agricultural lands. They manage

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<v Speaker 5>tropical rainforest areas in support of climate stability, biodiversity, sustainable development,

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<v Speaker 5>and poverty alleviation. And they create financial tools in partnership

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<v Speaker 5>with governments and communities, businesses and stakeholders, they improve living

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<v Speaker 5>standards for forest dependent communities and they're setting a precedent

712
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<v Speaker 5>that enables similar outcomes in other tropically forested countries. So

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<v Speaker 5>I really encourage you to think about the messages you

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<v Speaker 5>want to keep top of mind, the art that inspires you.

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<v Speaker 5>Think about getting a draw Down Design Project poster as

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<v Speaker 5>a gift for someone and you can contribute to talking

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<v Speaker 5>about climate change solutions galvanize some others. So we are

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<v Speaker 5>buying two sets of draw Down Design Project posters and

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<v Speaker 5>we're giving away eight posters this week via their Instagram

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<v Speaker 5>at draw Down Design Project. So that is on Instagram

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<v Speaker 5>at draw Down Design Project, so follow them and you

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<v Speaker 5>can enter there we'll be giving away eight. You can

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<v Speaker 5>also just buy one yourself at Drawdown Design Project dot

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<v Speaker 5>org and those proceeds will go to the Coalition for

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<v Speaker 5>Rainforest Nations. Thanks to the following sponsors for making that possible.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, the format and content of this episode obviously not

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<v Speaker 5>like other Ologies episodes, So instead of Patreon questions, I

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<v Speaker 5>just shouted a bunch of andy at the end that

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<v Speaker 5>I thought you might want to ask him.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I rapid fire questions?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, forming a nonprofit? How big of a pain in

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<v Speaker 2>the ass? Was that?

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<v Speaker 6>It's a giant pain in the ass?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>Any tips for someone who's like I want to be

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<v Speaker 5>a nonprofit, but I don't know what to do By red.

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<v Speaker 6>Tape, you gotta find every in cast. So we're based

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<v Speaker 6>in California, and I found a website that basically laid

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<v Speaker 6>it out for me what I needed to do. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>every state's going to be a little different.

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<v Speaker 5>I put some links on my website at aliwar dot com,

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<v Speaker 5>slash ologies, slash Drawdown Design Project, but those are five

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<v Speaker 5>oh one C three, dot org, Council for Nonprofits dot org,

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<v Speaker 5>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 6>So find the one in your state and you just

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<v Speaker 6>you just kind of got a barrel through it. There's

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<v Speaker 6>this one form I had to file that got returned

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<v Speaker 6>three times because I didn't. I mean, the reasons were insane.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's my nightmare.

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<v Speaker 6>I did this at the height of COVID, so like

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<v Speaker 6>the I R s and the Secretary of State were

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<v Speaker 6>like really slow. Anyway, it was a paneass, but it

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<v Speaker 6>was fine.

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<v Speaker 5>What is your like dream scenario, like global outlook for you,

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<v Speaker 5>like tell me the.

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<v Speaker 6>Human race or for these posters, for these posters. Wow,

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<v Speaker 6>my dream outlook is that we sell them all and

773
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<v Speaker 6>raise a bunch of money for our charity and then

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<v Speaker 6>make more. I just want to make more of them.

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<v Speaker 6>I have a you know, I have this list of

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<v Speaker 6>my dream illustrators and artists that I want to make

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<v Speaker 6>cook posters. But my other big thing is like I

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<v Speaker 6>just I don't know how I'm going to find out

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<v Speaker 6>if it happens, But I just want someone to hang

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<v Speaker 6>one of these on their walls and I want someone

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<v Speaker 6>in their life to ask them about it, and then

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<v Speaker 6>I want that to create a fun, non judge conversation

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<v Speaker 6>about climate change solutions between those two people. So if

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<v Speaker 6>that happens to anybody, please let me know somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>Making dreams come true?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, who do you look to on like a day

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<v Speaker 5>to day or week teek basis for climate information? Like

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<v Speaker 5>who are some of your climate activists, climate scientists heroes?

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<v Speaker 6>I really like the Volts substack my David Roberts. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>just google it if you want us abscribe to it.

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<v Speaker 6>That's really great information. I really like reading Rebecca Solnitz's

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<v Speaker 6>pieces in The Guardian. She seems to absorb a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of information that then she kind of digests for the reader,

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<v Speaker 6>but she also has a kind of pragmatic and positive outlook,

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<v Speaker 6>like I do. Definitely How to Save Your Planet, which

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<v Speaker 6>is a great podcast. Those are the main ones. There's

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<v Speaker 6>a ton of other resources out there, and a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of them, like it kind of depends on your personality

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<v Speaker 6>what you're looking for, But I would kind of caution

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<v Speaker 6>people from overloading themselves on this kind of stuff, Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>Like I'm interested in it. And since I started working

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<v Speaker 6>on this project, I really wanted to be up to

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<v Speaker 6>date on the science, just because I wanted to make

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<v Speaker 6>sure I was being as accurate as possible. But part

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<v Speaker 6>of my goal in doing this is to kind of

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<v Speaker 6>focus people on the things they can be doing without

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<v Speaker 6>driving themselves crazy. I have a lot of friends who

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<v Speaker 6>suffer a lot of climate anxiety, and they have a

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<v Speaker 6>tendency go too deep and make themselves crazy. Like, there's

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<v Speaker 6>there's a lot of amazing wonky people out there figuring

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<v Speaker 6>out the details, Like I don't. I don't think everyday

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<v Speaker 6>person needs to know every nuance of how we need

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<v Speaker 6>to upgrade the electrocrid. You need to vote for people

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<v Speaker 6>who are going to take care of that.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Any changes that you have made in your life

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<v Speaker 5>since starting this project, like any any like infrastructure changes

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<v Speaker 5>or personal changes, or if you had to give advice

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<v Speaker 5>to someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Of things that they could help them.

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<v Speaker 5>Sleep a little bit better if they've got kids, or

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<v Speaker 5>if they are just concerned about all the fish out there.

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<v Speaker 6>And yeah, well it really depends on your life and

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<v Speaker 6>your level of privilege. Right, I'm fortunate and that I

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<v Speaker 6>have time and the means to invest in some things

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<v Speaker 6>that could improve my individual footprint. But you know, there's

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of people in this world who are just

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<v Speaker 6>trying to get through the day. As part of why

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's so important to vote for people and

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<v Speaker 6>invest in leadership in this issue. But if you are

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<v Speaker 6>the kind of person who has the ability to take

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<v Speaker 6>to vote some of your free time to this as

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<v Speaker 6>long as after you voted for climate candidates and you've

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<v Speaker 6>sent money to organizations that are doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>great work, those are the number one things you should do.

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<v Speaker 6>After that. It's really about electrification, Like get nerdy about

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<v Speaker 6>electrifying your house. I know, my old natural gas stove

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<v Speaker 6>died and I was like, I'm getting an electric stove,

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<v Speaker 6>and so I had to dive into a whole pain

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<v Speaker 6>in the ass situation of upgrading my panel. Like I

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<v Speaker 6>didn't have a high enough amp panel to have an

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<v Speaker 6>electric stove, so I had to get an electrician out

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<v Speaker 6>to do that work. And then I could finally get

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<v Speaker 6>the electric stove so I could eliminate that fossil fuels

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<v Speaker 6>from my house. As much as a pain in the

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<v Speaker 6>ass of that was, like doing that work is great

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<v Speaker 6>because I like that electrician now knows how to do

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<v Speaker 6>that job. It's just a way of refocusing.

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<v Speaker 5>Everyone and any changes you've made diet wise.

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<v Speaker 6>Do more plants, Yeah, more plants. Most it's really about beef.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the you know, just don't that's where it's at.

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<v Speaker 6>That's where it's at, right, I mean, if you look

852
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<v Speaker 6>at the charts, it's beef and farmed shrimp. Farmed shrimp,

853
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.000
<v Speaker 6>farm shrimp, like people should really, you know, there's all

854
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.760
<v Speaker 6>kinds of reasons to eat less meat, but like it's really,

855
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:40.360
<v Speaker 6>you know, beef and farm shrimp.

856
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 5>We also talked about shrimp in the Oceanology episode with

857
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<v Speaker 5>Doctor Johnson. I previously thought they were the cockroaches of

858
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:50.880
<v Speaker 5>the sea, just plentiful to gobble. I had no idea

859
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 5>about the bycatch issues and the mangrove destruction. So the

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<v Speaker 5>Monterey Bay aquariumcfood watch dot org has more info on

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<v Speaker 5>what the better farmed shrimp species and forces are. Some

862
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<v Speaker 5>farms out there are doing it more safely.

863
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<v Speaker 2>More power to them. But anyway, now you know, damn.

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<v Speaker 6>Out one of our So it's worth noting that one

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<v Speaker 6>of our solutions on our Cultivate poster is regenitive agriculture.

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<v Speaker 6>So anyone, if there's any regenitive farmers out there now,

867
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<v Speaker 6>they're mad at me because they're going to tell me

868
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<v Speaker 6>that there their farm with their pasture land and they're

869
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:26.039
<v Speaker 6>grazing grass fed beef is actually a good thing, which

870
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.960
<v Speaker 6>is true. So regenerative agriculture is amazing, and there's a

871
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<v Speaker 6>ton of really fun opportunities to make farming better. But again,

872
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<v Speaker 6>I think that kind of narrative is is distracting people

873
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<v Speaker 6>from what's more important, Yeah, which is the big system

874
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:45.960
<v Speaker 6>changes that need to happen, and that can only be

875
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<v Speaker 6>made possible by politicians and you know, corporate leaders like

876
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:55.639
<v Speaker 6>those people need to be pressured, whether it's through voting

877
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:58.679
<v Speaker 6>or other ways, to make the big changes. If you're

878
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:03.039
<v Speaker 6>obsessing about light bulbs, yeah, I think your energy is

879
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:04.480
<v Speaker 6>being put in the wrong.

880
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Place, no pun intended, right, even.

881
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<v Speaker 6>Though listen, I changed all my light bulbs because I

882
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<v Speaker 6>want to live my values. But I know that that's

883
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<v Speaker 6>why I'm doing it.

884
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<v Speaker 2>M Hm. I just got solar.

885
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<v Speaker 6>That's awesome. I have panels also, they're so it's so fun.

886
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<v Speaker 6>Well that's part of part of it. It's like it's

887
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<v Speaker 6>just so fun. You go up there on the roof

888
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:27.519
<v Speaker 6>and I look at them, and I look on my

889
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<v Speaker 6>phone and I see all the all the vaults coming

890
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.800
<v Speaker 6>into my panels. It's just fun. And a lot of

891
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:35.960
<v Speaker 6>these climate change solutions are just so cool. They're just

892
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<v Speaker 6>worth doing even if we didn't have this problem.

893
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:41.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they're just on the cutting edge of technology anyway.

894
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.199
<v Speaker 5>That you know, the the notion that we are still

895
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:50.000
<v Speaker 5>digging into the earth to burn oil when we have

896
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.360
<v Speaker 5>all of the sun coming at us is bananas.

897
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:58.639
<v Speaker 6>It's it's I'm trained as an environmental engineer. That's where

898
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.599
<v Speaker 6>I got my bachelor's degree. That was in the nineties, right,

899
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<v Speaker 6>And at that time, there was no consensus around climate change.

900
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<v Speaker 6>And I remember being shown the data as a student

901
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.760
<v Speaker 6>and the professor being like, is what's going on here?

902
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<v Speaker 6>And it not really being that clear. And so I've

903
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<v Speaker 6>watched the issue evolve since then into where we are now,

904
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<v Speaker 6>where everyone knows it's happening, everyone knows it's human caused,

905
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:20.400
<v Speaker 6>and everyone knows we have a limitum amount of time

906
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<v Speaker 6>to do something about it. And that's not that long.

907
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<v Speaker 6>That was only twenty five years ago. You know, this

908
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<v Speaker 6>is moving fast, and so yes, we should stop digging

909
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<v Speaker 6>up fossil fuels. But we're not being punished for doing that,

910
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<v Speaker 6>like it made sense at the time, and a lot

911
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.159
<v Speaker 6>of people's lives were made better because of fossil fuels.

912
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<v Speaker 6>They're not evil. It's just an innert substance, right, and

913
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<v Speaker 6>so we need to stop using them. But just practically speaking,

914
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<v Speaker 6>it's a practical problem. It's not a moral one. Fossil

915
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<v Speaker 6>fuels aren't evil. We just they're just bad for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 5>So when it comes to choices like solar, there are

918
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<v Speaker 5>a lot of co benefits there too. The technology there

919
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:08.519
<v Speaker 5>is progressing pretty fast, and depending on whether you lease

920
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<v Speaker 5>or buy the panels and your roof in your house,

921
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.519
<v Speaker 5>the reduction in your electric bill can offset the cost

922
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<v Speaker 5>in just a number of years. So there are also

923
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 5>tax benefits to it too. So if you're at all

924
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<v Speaker 5>in a position to like remodel a bathroom or look

925
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<v Speaker 5>into solar, check out the solar panels. We finally got

926
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<v Speaker 5>them a few months ago, even though our kitchen cabinets

927
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:29.400
<v Speaker 5>are from the eighties and they don't really close.

928
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<v Speaker 2>But we'll get to that.

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<v Speaker 6>The next thing that really needs to happen is the

930
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<v Speaker 6>grid needs to be modernized and to be able to

931
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<v Speaker 6>take in all the solar, and there needs to be

932
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<v Speaker 6>storage installations so that we're storing all this solar as

933
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<v Speaker 6>we can use it at night. But whatever, you should

934
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<v Speaker 6>just do it. It's fun. It's just so fun.

935
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<v Speaker 5>We have the app to and my dad is like, ah,

936
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.480
<v Speaker 5>send me some screencaps. I want to see how much

937
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.199
<v Speaker 5>you're generating down there. And it also does ease the.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to use the AC, but I know it's

939
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<v Speaker 2>coming from solar. I don't feel as bad, which is nice.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, don't feel bad though.

941
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<v Speaker 2>Don't feel bad.

942
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:07.159
<v Speaker 6>It's hot.

943
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<v Speaker 2>It's hot.

944
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:12.960
<v Speaker 6>People die in heat waves. Its stroke AC is you

945
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.800
<v Speaker 6>need the AC? I don't feel bad.

946
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

947
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<v Speaker 5>And just a side note, there was a great piece

948
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<v Speaker 5>in The New York Times in June by Christopher Flavelle

949
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:24.639
<v Speaker 5>and callan Good Luck about how indigenous communities are affected

950
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<v Speaker 5>by things like rising tides, melting ice, dried up wells,

951
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:35.199
<v Speaker 5>and rising temperatures, threatening not just subsistence or cultural practices,

952
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:40.360
<v Speaker 5>but basic safety and survival. As infrastructures on reserved lands

953
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:44.000
<v Speaker 5>tend to be underfunded, so it's a lasting impact of

954
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 5>being forced onto small tracks of sometimes the least desirable lands,

955
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:52.159
<v Speaker 5>and another example of how climate justice intersects with a

956
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<v Speaker 5>lot of human rights issues.

957
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<v Speaker 6>We can't all go back to living off the land.

958
00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:58.880
<v Speaker 6>It's just not where modern society is. Yeah, and also

959
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.480
<v Speaker 6>our standard of living is makes us healthier and saves

960
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:06.800
<v Speaker 6>lives and we live longer lives. We need to get

961
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:10.599
<v Speaker 6>excited about the fact that we can, to a certain extent,

962
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:13.840
<v Speaker 6>like have everything we have if we make these changes.

963
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<v Speaker 2>The fact that it is.

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<v Speaker 5>Feasible that we can make sweeping progress on this without

965
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<v Speaker 5>everyone having to go back to pre industrial times, yes,

966
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<v Speaker 5>is exciting.

967
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:33.840
<v Speaker 6>And it's just true. There's another great resource. This guy

968
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 6>saw Griffith. He's an Australian inventor and engineer, and he

969
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:42.960
<v Speaker 6>has this organization called Rewire, and he wants to focus

970
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.679
<v Speaker 6>everyone on how electrifying everything is the way to go. Like,

971
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:51.559
<v Speaker 6>let's get excited about this awesome world where everything's electrified

972
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.960
<v Speaker 6>and there's no more air pollution, you know, I mean

973
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:57.039
<v Speaker 6>climate change aside, it's just going to be better if

974
00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:57.639
<v Speaker 6>we can do it.

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<v Speaker 5>I just I love that you taken and the excitement

976
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:05.519
<v Speaker 5>of a gig poster and a show you want to see,

977
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:10.159
<v Speaker 5>like gathering with friends and something that's cool and applying

978
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:13.599
<v Speaker 5>it toward cool shit that we can do to make

979
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.760
<v Speaker 5>the planet better and make it better for people like

980
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:20.280
<v Speaker 5>I guess that's how things get done, is no matter

981
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.320
<v Speaker 5>what the problem is. I feel like if you're acting

982
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:27.119
<v Speaker 5>from a place of optimism and hope, you're going to

983
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.440
<v Speaker 5>get more done than if you're acting from a place

984
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:30.800
<v Speaker 5>of like doom and shame.

985
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<v Speaker 6>Right, And I don't know if that's true, to be honest,

986
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.119
<v Speaker 6>We've had a lot of doom and shame when it

987
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:42.559
<v Speaker 6>comes to climate change. So let's you know, let's see

988
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:44.719
<v Speaker 6>if this works too, and maybe different things work for

989
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:46.760
<v Speaker 6>different people. That's part of it, right, Some people are

990
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.159
<v Speaker 6>going to get motivated by fear, but a lot of

991
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.480
<v Speaker 6>other people are gonna get motivated by getting excited about

992
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:54.800
<v Speaker 6>it and all the awesome things that are just co

993
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:58.639
<v Speaker 6>benefits to climate change solutions. There's this Currt quote, Okay

994
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:01.400
<v Speaker 6>that is like a huge inspiration for me. So the

995
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.440
<v Speaker 6>quote is we are what we pretend to be, so

996
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:05.519
<v Speaker 6>we must be very careful of what we pretend to be.

997
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:10.199
<v Speaker 6>It's just it's just really the inspiration for this whole thing,

998
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:14.280
<v Speaker 6>because I think we need to tell stories that depict

999
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<v Speaker 6>the future we want, not the future we're afraid of.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh jeez, that's a life lesson.

1001
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. I mean, if if we're telling stories about how

1002
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.199
<v Speaker 6>terrible everything's going to be, I think everything's going to

1003
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.159
<v Speaker 6>be terrible. But if we tell stories about how awesome

1004
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 6>it's going to be, maybe it'll be awesome.

1005
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<v Speaker 2>That's really good advice. Andy, And I have to say

1006
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.400
<v Speaker 2>that it's unlike you.

1007
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:42.159
<v Speaker 6>It is weird, right, it is weird. It is so

1008
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:47.039
<v Speaker 6>unlike me. It's funny. I like it, but it's not.

1009
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<v Speaker 6>You know, that should give you confidence because I'm not

1010
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<v Speaker 6>coming from some place of pie in the sky optimism.

1011
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1012
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.639
<v Speaker 6>I've just like read the articles and done the research

1013
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:00.599
<v Speaker 6>and read this amazing book that ever no one should read,

1014
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:03.639
<v Speaker 6>Project draw Down, and like it's impossible not to come

1015
00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 6>to the conclusion that like this can be done.

1016
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<v Speaker 3>Ah.

1017
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<v Speaker 2>That's really good advice.

1018
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<v Speaker 5>So ask good friends for great advice, and ask smart

1019
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 5>climate scientists basic questions and then make something good out

1020
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<v Speaker 5>of it. Thank you so much to founder and creative

1021
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 5>director Andy Hall of the Drawdown Design Project for letting

1022
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:26.199
<v Speaker 5>me hang out and chat with him about it. You

1023
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:28.920
<v Speaker 5>can find out more at draw Downdesign Project dot org.

1024
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<v Speaker 5>Follow them immediately on Instagram at Drawdown Design Project.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be giving away eight posters this week.

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<v Speaker 5>You got to follow them. We are at ologies on

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<v Speaker 5>Twitter and Instagram. I'm Ali Ward with one L on

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<v Speaker 5>social media, do say hi. Special thanks to friends doctors

1029
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<v Speaker 5>Christine Corbett and Casey Handmer for hanging out in the

1030
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<v Speaker 5>initial meetings and giving some great feedback and ideas to Andy.

1031
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<v Speaker 5>Thank you to Aaron Talbert for admining the ologies podcast

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<v Speaker 5>Facebook group. Thank you Shannon Feldas and Bonnie Dutch of

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<v Speaker 5>the podcast You Are That for handling all the merch

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<v Speaker 5>at ologiesmerch dot com. Thank you Susan Hale and Noel

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<v Speaker 5>Dilworth for all of the behind the scenes Ologies business.

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<v Speaker 5>To Emily White of the wordery for transcribing episodes and

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<v Speaker 5>Caleb Patton for bleeping them. Those are available for free

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<v Speaker 5>at the link of the show notes. Thank you Kelly

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<v Speaker 5>Dwyer who made my website aliwar dot com. If you

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<v Speaker 5>need a website, her website is Kelly R. Dwyer and

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<v Speaker 5>that's linked in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>She's great.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you Hanka Rama and honestly the best husband I

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<v Speaker 5>have ever had. Editor Jared Sleeper of Mindjam Media, and

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<v Speaker 5>of course thank you to Stephen Ray Morris, who's also

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<v Speaker 5>helping on our edited down, short kid friendly Smologies episodes

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<v Speaker 5>that come out every two weeks, alongside zeg Rodriguez Thomas

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<v Speaker 5>who also works on those. Nick Thorburn made the music.

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<v Speaker 5>And if you stick around, I'll tell you a secret

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<v Speaker 5>and is promised here's why I was in the hospital. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>who get comfortable. I'll try and make it quick. So,

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<v Speaker 5>over the pandemic, some of my regular schedule doctor's appointment got.

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<v Speaker 2>Pushed backed, right, So if you've heard other.

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<v Speaker 5>Episodes, you may know that I'm in this slim percentage

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<v Speaker 5>of very exclusive uterine people whose ovaries just decided to

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<v Speaker 5>fuck off decades early. So my ovaries pieced out, literally

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00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.880
<v Speaker 5>shriveled up, and stopped working sometime in my thirties. So

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<v Speaker 5>I'm on a cocktail of estrogen patches and testosterone creams

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<v Speaker 5>and such. But for the first few years they were

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<v Speaker 5>giving me progesterone so that I would bleed like a

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00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:28.280
<v Speaker 5>normal person. But they didn't mention that progesterone pills heads up, y'all,

1062
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:32.079
<v Speaker 5>can make some people just straight up not want to exist.

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<v Speaker 5>Anymore and can be reduced to a weeping pile of

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00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.199
<v Speaker 5>hair and tears, which was what happened to me. Not

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00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:42.280
<v Speaker 5>everyone again, slim percentage happened to me. So the doctors

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00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:43.960
<v Speaker 5>gave me a new kind to try. At the start

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<v Speaker 5>of COVID. Once again, it was not good for my brain,

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<v Speaker 5>and I stopped, and I hadn't been able to see

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00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:55.079
<v Speaker 5>my obgyn again. Unopposed estrogen means maybe some endometrial cancer risks.

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<v Speaker 5>So I went to my OBGI in last week and

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<v Speaker 5>she was like, oh shit, you stopped taking the progesterone.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, oh, I did, but I couldn't come

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<v Speaker 5>in here. Everything was so busy, and she was like, well,

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<v Speaker 5>let's check you for cancer. So what we'll do is

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<v Speaker 5>we'll scrape your insides out like a pumpkin and then

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<v Speaker 5>we'll send some chunks.

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<v Speaker 2>Off to the lab.

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<v Speaker 5>Also, I should note there was a new resident doctor

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00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:17.480
<v Speaker 5>in the room and they were like, can he practice

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00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:19.400
<v Speaker 5>on you? And I was like, sure, man, you got

1081
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:21.760
<v Speaker 5>to learn to be a doctor somewhere right That somewhere

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00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.880
<v Speaker 5>starts right now in my crotch, which I'm fairly certain

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<v Speaker 5>was the first one this particular doctor had ever used

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<v Speaker 5>a speculum on bless us heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Did it hurt the whole thing? Of course it hurt.

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<v Speaker 5>They scraped my insides, but yeah, I chewed on my tongue.

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<v Speaker 5>I got through it. The nubie doc got some chunks

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<v Speaker 5>for pathology. Thumbs up, way to go. The next day, however,

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<v Speaker 5>I had the worst, weirdest pain of my whole life,

1090
00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:52.559
<v Speaker 5>so much pain, freakish spasm or something. Jared had to

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00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:54.800
<v Speaker 5>call my doctor. They were like, bring that lady in

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<v Speaker 5>the er stat And then later I saw on my

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<v Speaker 5>medical notes that the nurse on the phone had typed.

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01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:04.519
<v Speaker 5>In patient can be heard in the background audibly moaning,

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01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:09.440
<v Speaker 5>which was accurate. Anyway, went to the er. People barfing everywhere,

1096
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:12.599
<v Speaker 5>people bleeding, hallways filled with beds. Anyway, I had a

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01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.280
<v Speaker 5>bunch of ultrasounds, a bunch of pelvic exams. I had

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01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.960
<v Speaker 5>a COVID brain tickler for good measure, and they were like, well,

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01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:19.239
<v Speaker 5>that was weird, but you're fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Get out of here. So I was like, we'll do So.

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<v Speaker 5>I was woozy for a few days and then your

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<v Speaker 5>pod mom, Jarrett shredded his meniscus.

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01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:30.639
<v Speaker 2>That's part of your knee in.

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01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:33.480
<v Speaker 5>Jiu jitsu and can barely walk, and so we spent

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01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:35.440
<v Speaker 5>the rest of the week in and out of MRI

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01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:39.159
<v Speaker 5>places and physical therapists and urgent care for him. What's

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<v Speaker 5>my point? My point is cut me a little slack.

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01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:47.679
<v Speaker 5>This bonus episode is out a little late.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is.

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<v Speaker 5>Also just a super aside. I'm hiding this at the end.

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01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:53.280
<v Speaker 5>But every once in a while I'll have someone leave

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<v Speaker 5>a comment.

1113
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Or a tweet about how politics.

1114
01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:58.800
<v Speaker 5>And science don't belong together.

1115
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:00.199
<v Speaker 2>But literally policy is.

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<v Speaker 5>Like based on information and information and science, and I

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01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.719
<v Speaker 5>just a big, big sigh. Anyway, everything's fine. I'm in

1118
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.800
<v Speaker 5>a hotel room outside of Detroit. I'm gonna go get

1119
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:11.599
<v Speaker 5>a salad. I'm feeling better. Thank you for your patience,

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<v Speaker 5>aren't you glad? You will never scrape a pumpkin in

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<v Speaker 5>the same Also, you gotta let doctors practice on you.

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01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:21.760
<v Speaker 5>He didn't do the scraping. It was actually my obign

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<v Speaker 5>He was fine. He was just a little nervous, but

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<v Speaker 5>he was great. Okay, thank you for being doctors. I

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<v Speaker 5>appreciate it so much. Okay, bye bye.

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<v Speaker 7>Bye, pacadermatology, hobbiology, r doo, zoology, lithology, Yeah, ninology, meteorology, paratology, napology, zeriology, ethology.

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<v Speaker 6>Are you a Fishead too,