Speaker 1: Hello, Shirley fans come in out of the rain and
hear the jazz go down. This is the real KD.
I'd like to welcome you to the Shirley You Can't
Be Serious Podcasts. Here are your hosts, the Brothers and
Arms themselves, mister Jason Colvin, mister d Graves.
Speaker 2: Peace out, Hey D.
Speaker 3: How you doing man? Stomach's a little upset. I mean,
I don't know why. I had French fries for lunch
and some French dressing with it and even ate a
little bit of French bread. My stomach was so upset
I rank some Peru Peru.
Speaker 4: Welcome everybody back to the Shureley You Can't Be Serious
podcast where This week we are comparing Better Off Dead
from nineteen eighty five, which is turning forty years old
this year, to One Crazy Summer from eighty six. Both
Savage Steve Holland movies, John Cusack movies, both Taylor Negron movies.
Speaker 3: Both Curtis Armstrong movies, Curtis Armstrong movies, both Rich Little
Movies not Rich Hall.
Speaker 4: Like I said in the previous episode, yes, sorry about that.
Speaker 3: Every way, we have quite a bit of overlap here,
and there's one overlap that we missed on our last
episode when we were talking about the cast of Better
Off Dead. Oh okay, Amanda Wiss, Vincent Chavelli, the math teacher, yes,
and Taylor Negron. Yeah, we're all.
Speaker 2: In fast times at Richmont High.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's memorable. Party was the pizza delivery guy? Right?
That's it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, right here, dude, that's great.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: What is your relationship with One Crazy Summer?
Speaker 3: One Crazy Summer? I just remember being excited to see it.
I saw it in the theater when I was a kid.
I mean, the nice thing about this is these are
both very tame movies. I mean you've got I mean,
the the most risk scene that you have in Better
Off Dead is when he falls and pulls the cheerleader's
cheerleading uniform off Christians.
Speaker 4: She dates the entire basketball team Lane, not one member
of the team, the whole team.
Speaker 3: Yes, and she was beautiful, but I mean they kept
her in the bron panties. I mean for the eighties,
that's very tame. And then I think you pointed out
the most risk scene in One Crazy Summer is like
cartoons with the Little Slutty. The drawings are so fuzzy, bunny.
Speaker 4: The Fuzzy Bunnies are a little nipply.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do this The Fuzzy Bunnies win.
Speaker 4: I mean I watched this movie all the time on HBO. Yeah, well,
I watched both of these movies all the time on HBO.
I was going to bring this up because I think
this is interesting. So One Crazy Summer is released August
ninth of nineteen eighty six. Okay, it was shot in
the summer of eighty five.
Speaker 3: Right, we met this a little bit in the previous episode.
This is before Demi Moore blew up right, sorry, mom
blew up frecky really sorry? Mom? Blue Uh.
Speaker 4: Demi Moore was in a romantic comedy with well, it's
kind of a romantic dramedy with Rob Low and Jim Belushi.
Speaker 3: It's called About Last Night. Yep, David Mammont script.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that came out a month prior to One
Crazy Summer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they actually filmed One Crazy Summer before they filmed
About last Night. Just flippedlopped on when the release dates were.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be crude, but I'm going to
say that About Last Night fascinated a thirteen year old Jason.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of scenes that are a little bit
fuzzy on the VCR copy from overplay, Demmy was captivating.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm gonnay Bruce Willis with that scene. I
think that's all I'm gonna say about that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: One Crazy Stummer starts off with a graduation scene, which
I mentioned before, Say Anything starts off with a graduation
scene three years later, right, and John Kyussack maintains the
same age.
Speaker 3: Which is cool.
Speaker 4: But the high school, I don't know if you knows
you notice the name of the high school, no generic
high school, Nantucket. But that was funny, hilarious, right, another
funny scene before we get into casting. There's lots of
little cute stuff. Sure, I thought, first of all, this
movie really captures that sort of innocent time of I'm
out of school.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm going to do.
Speaker 4: I don't really have anything going on, so I have
nothing better to do than just hang out with my
buddies and do.
Speaker 3: Whatever we're doing. Go to the beach, Go to the beach.
Speaker 4: Right, and in fact, some people have called One Crazy
Summer Better off Dead goes to the beach.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same thing, right, John Cusack obsessed
with the blonde girl when really it's the brunette he
should be after. Right, that's exactly it. Right.
Speaker 4: There's one really funny moment in the very first of
this movie. He's talking to Dami Moore. You can tell
that they're kind of cozying up to each other. They
got something blossoming possibly, and he's like, I just love
the smell of the air the summer area.
Speaker 3: But big boy, if you're putting, I can see the land.
Speaker 1: Clean fresh air.
Speaker 3: And Risey does that.
Speaker 4: The guy shoves a chili dog is like chili dog, right,
It's just cute humor like that.
Speaker 3: It's sort of Nickelodeon humor if you you know. Yeah, Well,
and then this one, you know, we're gonna talk casting
here in a second, but that's some of the most
interesting stuff is the veriest cast and how it came
to be on this thing. So let's get into it.
Let's get into it, right, all right. So we have
John Cusack back as Hoops Hoops Macan. Do you know
where the name comes from? Tell me comes from a
Steely Dan song.
Speaker 4: Steely Dan, Fire Up the yacht Rock documentary. Oh no, wait,
they hate that.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, that the best part of that whole movie
is that ends scene. But yeah, the song's name is
Glamour Profession. Hoops McCann comes from that song. I love it.
Speaker 4: The fact, you know, you mentioned the fact that it's
like calling somebody who's giant tiny. The fact they're calling
him hoops is not because he's great at basketball.
Speaker 2: The opposite.
Speaker 4: He is actually like he's never made a shot in
his life, right, he loves basketball.
Speaker 3: He's just terrible as even with even if the even
if the backboard is Curtis Armstrong's face and he can
move his arms to help, he still can't get it
in the hole.
Speaker 4: And you know, there's that scene where he's he drawing
a picture, he wads it up, he throws it and
there's a little basketball hoop over his trash can and
literally there's hundreds of pieces of paper around the trash can.
Nothing has gone in the basket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I identified with that. Not good at basketball.
Speaker 4: So, as we said, I don't know if you listened
to our last episode.
Speaker 2: I did, I did. I listened to it.
Speaker 4: John Cusack was in a fight with Savage Steve Holland
during the filming of One Crazy Summer.
Speaker 3: Twenty minutes into watching Better Off Dad, he walked out
and then bald Savage Steve Holland out, saying he tricked
him and ruined his career.
Speaker 4: Don't talk to me. Yeah, I'm never trusting you again. Yeah,
you deceived me. Yeah, burned down the bridges. Never spoke
to Savage Steve Holland during the entire filming.
Speaker 3: How do you do that? I mean, yeah, and I
think I think Savage Steve Holland, being the tenderhearted guy
we discussed, you know, he took it to heart. Like
he he stopped doing live action movies pretty much after that.
He drove him out of the business lit Yeah, I
mean he went and did animation and Eke the Cat and.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, there's a there's an interesting seeing.
So Bill copp is the guy who's doing the animation
in One Crazy.
Speaker 4: Summer, the Nipplely Fuzzy Bunnies.
Speaker 3: The fuzzy Bunnies and there's a couple extra special, funny
but fuzzy bunnies that we're going to talk about, right right.
Bill copp is the guy who's doing that animation. He
would go on just three years later to do animation
on The Tracy Ullman Show of a new little bit
called the Simpsonzimpson. It's incredible. And then he and then
of course they worked together again when they did Eke
the Cat. But yeah, Bill Copp was same guy who
did the animation on that did the original animation on
The Simpsons. Fantastic, yep, fantastic.
Speaker 4: Demi Moore plays Cassandra Eldridge in this movie. Yes, okay,
Demi Moore had a fantastic late eighties and nineties. Yes,
this is pre mega hot demy. Yeah, but she's I
catching for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh. I told Jeff Johnson when we covered this movie.
She it was all about her because she reminded me
of Lisa from the Revolution, Like she just playing her
guitar up there. She has the kind of cool hair.
They have similar facial features, and I thought both of
them were totally hot. So I think you're talking about Wendy.
Speaker 2: That was Wendy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Whindy plays the guitar. Yes, okay, well they were
all the game. Go back to our proper Raine episode.
Speaker 2: Hello Lisa, Hello Wendy, it's.
Speaker 3: The water warm enough.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing I wanted to bring up, Demi Moore Yes,
is the first actress to command ten million dollars. Oh okay,
can you name the movie that she got paid ten
million dollars for. I'm gonna guess it's either Indiecent Proposal
or Gi Jane.
Speaker 3: You would be wrong on both.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, got hit me ten years after one crazy summer.
Uh huh in nineteen ninety six, stripped teas strip tease.
Speaker 3: That awful dumpster fire is She's the first.
Speaker 4: Who yes, but she has never looked better.
Speaker 3: My gosh, I haven't seen it. After I saw Show Girls,
I wasn't gonna watch another stripper movie. I was just like, no,
I don't want to ruin naked women for the rest
of my life.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, that is a match made in heaven.
That is a Shirley matchup strip tease versus Showgirls.
Speaker 3: What the heck happened? What the heck happened? I'm down.
Let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, put it on the calendar.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: Now, here's my little tidbit on Demi Moore. I mean,
we've lived up with her, we know a million things
about her, Bruce Willis and her kids.
Speaker 3: She just want a golden globe by the way I
think she did for the substance, which i've Half of
my friends are like, Oh, it's so amazing. The other
half of my friends are like, it is the worst
piece of crap movie I've ever seen. I haven't seen it.
I don't know, so I don't know interesting. The ones
who don't like it, it's like they're like, okay, okay, okay,
and then the payoff is like, makes you angry. I
don't know what it is. I don't know what about
the end of it's going to make you angry. But
there you go. I've seen it. Let hear from you know.
You hit us up.
Speaker 2: No, don't hit us up. I want to watch it.
Don't spoil it for me.
Speaker 3: Don't hurt this up. Tell Jason, not me.
Speaker 4: Email us and say hi, I don't email us.
Speaker 3: I read those things. You hit up Jason on Twitter
or whatever. Don't talk to d Okay, this is yeah.
Speaker 4: She has appeared on magazine covers every single year since
nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: This is the year twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: She has appeared on a magazine cover every single year
since nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: Forty five years of appearing on magazine covers. That's impressed.
That is impressed. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I wonder if anybody else holds that. I mean, who's
not just a model?
Speaker 4: I think that is a Loane distinguisher for her?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: Crazy? Okay, Okay, good one. Curtis Armstrong is back. He
plays Akac.
Speaker 2: Yep, your DAD'SID.
Speaker 4: You were collected shells show fifty seven millimeter.
Speaker 3: My dad gets twelve months to peace. Can they make
great paperweights? Hi?
Speaker 2: I know, let's get on here.
Speaker 3: We talked about him. Speaking of Bruce Willis Moonlighting, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he played whatever his goofy sidekick friend is in Moonlin.
I can't remember his name now, Yeah, mister Pesto's love interest. Yep,
but he's world famous for playing Booger and he was
hired because Savage Deeve Holland liked his performance in Risky Business.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 4: Okay, Bobcat gold Weight.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you a story about a little fat
boy that nobody loved and that all the other kids
they just make fun of them, and they would pick
on him and then and then they used to say
that he talked.
Speaker 1: Funny and stuff.
Speaker 3: This one is This one is a great story, by
the way. Okay, okay, so you're we're covering casting right now, right,
And so Bobcat Goldthwaite was among several people who auditioned
for the part of Hoop's best friend that Joel Murray.
Speaker 2: Ends up getting.
Speaker 3: Okay, the movie originally did not have the Stork Twins
had one stork. Bobcat Goldthwaite goes in and auditions for it.
Was it egg stork? No, no, no, the the best friend.
His name is George Klamariy Kalamaria is like, I know
it's a seafoo right, So he auditions for that part
and after the audition, Savage Steve Holland says, listen, you're
not right for this part, but I love what you're doing.
Let me write apart for you. And that's how the
Stork Twins become brothers instead of just one character. Oh okay,
that's good. Yeah, So he wrote the part specifically for
Bobcat Goldthwaite. And I got another juicy nugget that I'm
gonna tell you about in a minute on Bobcat Goldwaite,
but not right now.
Speaker 4: Okay, I've got something on him real quick. Okay, I
don't want to steal your thunder, but did you see
the Tonight Show appearance that he had with Jay Leno.
Speaker 3: I think you sent me a YouTube clip of it.
Is this the one where he sets the chair on fire?
Set the chair on fire? Yeah, and Jay Leno wanted
to kill him? Okay, he turns around, he puts some
sort of accelerate on Lewis and just light set sucker
on fire. And then he tries to walk off the
stage and totally slips and falls on the lighter fluid. Right, yeah,
and Leno is super like, you put out this fire.
Speaker 4: You know it was a really bad deal. And I
know John Reid can't stand Bob kat Goldwaite really not
a Police Academy fan. You know, he's really good in
Police Academy and I think he's Please Academy two.
Speaker 3: Because there were a lot of unanswered questions from Police
Academy one. Yes, I've got a funny story. I'll tell
you after.
Speaker 4: I we talked about Joel Murray, Okay, Joel Murray who
plays George Calamary. Yes, that's Hoops's best friend.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh no, please anything but Juli.
Speaker 4: That's Bill Murray's little brother. Brian Doyle Murray's little brother.
He auditioned for the part of George Calamarray. Right when
he saw Jeremy Piven, who is actually John Cusack's best
friend roommates, they were roommates. Roommates, Yeah, come in to audition.
He's like, I'm not going to get this party. John
Cusack's best friend is auditioning for the part of best friend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no chance, Right, he probably didn't know that John
Cusack had just told Savage see Holland that he go
jump off of ship. That's right.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, you're best friends now your enemy haven't
like yeah, So of course Jeremy Piven didn't get that part.
He gets the part of.
Speaker 2: Like sidekicked guy number two.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: But when Bob Cat, Goldthwaite and Joe Murray show up
to set, first thing they do is like, well, let's
go meet.
Speaker 3: Cusack, right, do you know the story? No?
Speaker 4: So Joe Murray's like, I know he's his room is
let's go down and meet him. Right, So Bob Kat
Goldwaite and Joel Murray go down to John Cusack's room,
knock on his door, and they go inside and they're
shaking hands. Hey, how you doing, good to meet you.
We're doing this project whatever. Bob Cat Goldthwaite spies with
his little eye an American Express card that belongs to
John Cusack, so he writes down the numbers and then
like throughout the course of the movie, he buys things
and has them shipped to John Cusack's room, which I
thought was a hilario awesome, great one.
Speaker 3: So we talked about who auditioned for Calamari Yes, and
we mentioned that Bob Kat Goldthwaite did yes, and the
Jeremy Piven did yes, and obviously Joel Murray did yes.
Speaker 2: Do you know who option?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, Robert Downey Jr. Auditioned and did not get the part.
Speaker 3: What yes for best friend? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean keep in mind, this is nineteen
eighty five, right, and he's not the Robert Downey Jr.
That we know today.
Speaker 4: Well you think about it. He played in Back to School.
He was like best friend, sidekick.
Speaker 2: Exactly nobody, right, you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and weird science he's yeah, not even matter too, Yeah,
Baddy number two exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So old man Peckerhead, I mean Becker'stead is played by
William Hickey. The blessing you couldn't hear a dumb truck
drive through a nightderg glizard plant.
Speaker 2: Did I pass?
Speaker 3: Yes in the robe?
Speaker 4: Clear?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: And he played the old man in the wheelchair.
Speaker 3: Great? Has this guy ever been young? No, he was
probably twenty five when he played this part exactly.
Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: He was a very influential acting teacher.
Speaker 3: For a lot of people that were big stars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, since I can't wait anything longer, I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you you before we started recording, You're like,
oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Now I got it.
I'm on the edge of my seat. I want to
know what this, this mind blowing tidbit is you?
Speaker 4: Okay, I want to talk about Kimberly Foster for a second.
Speaker 3: Okay, she plays Cookie, Okay.
Speaker 4: Who is Teddy's girlfriend, but Hoops is kind of hashless.
Speaker 3: And yeah, she's she's flirting hard with him on.
Speaker 4: She's like Delilah, right, she's the evils to Dougtress.
Speaker 3: Right. She's got the best fricking Ford bronco I've ever
seen in a movie.
Speaker 4: Not only that, but she's rocking that two piece. Yes,
and in nineteen eighty six, I'm might be picking her
over Demi Moore in eighty six. Yeah, okay, yeah, in
ninety six. I'm picking Demi Moore.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing I mentioned.
Speaker 1: To you.
Speaker 3: A little medical procedure later and.
Speaker 4: Exactly, yeah, exactly. Hey, I saw about last night.
Speaker 3: That's before.
Speaker 4: She's from Arkansas. Really, she's from Fort Smith, Arkansas.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm from. Exactly.
Speaker 4: Okay, she's from Booneville.
Speaker 3: Do you know where Booneville is? Well, Booneville is not
Fort Smith. It's a small town outside of Fort Smith.
But that's yeah. No, we played Boonville in high school
for sports. I went to Greenwood High School. Boonville was
a kind of a nemesis. Actually, she was a cheerleader
for that team. Oh wow, any chance you were in
the stands at the same time?
Speaker 2: How old? When was she born?
Speaker 3: Sixty one? I think, oh, well, that's that fourteen years
before I was born. So at kindergarten at five years old,
she'd have been nineteen, so I don't think so.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, all right, here's my nugget. Okay, all right,
So Kimberly Foster had she was cookie, she'd been in
a couple of soap operas, and I mean, you know,
TV spots here and there, not much going on, but
she's she looks great in this movie. Okay, she had
a relationship with a famous person that we've talked about
in nineteen eighty five slash nineteen eighty six. Okay, same
time period, keep in mind, yeah, okay, actually two people.
Speaker 2: Okay, she had a relationship.
Speaker 4: We had a relationship with this one guy and then
this other guy, and we've talked about this, Okay. One
of those peoples was Jack Wagner and the other person,
nick six.
Speaker 3: Shut up. She was the girl. I don't know if
she was the girl, but she was a girl. Oh
my gosh, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: Explain why your mind is blown?
Speaker 3: Well, because that's the So I don't.
Speaker 4: Think it's the same person because it called her pole. Yeah,
I mean, oh gosh, but I guess it could be.
Speaker 3: I mean, it would be really weird. It would be
really weird. But like he basically, Nicky six was severely
addicted to heroin at the time, and he talks to
people about going and breaking Jack Wagner's legs, and then
that that Monday, Jack Wagner shows up with a broken
leg and the girlfriend is like, oh my gosh, did
you really do it. No, he fell off the stage.
It was just this weird kind of coincidence that, you know,
Nicky six had hired somebody to go break his legs
and then he did it on him. He did it
all on his own.
Speaker 4: In a jealous rage because they were sharing the same girl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nicky six hated Jack Wagner. How many times has
Jack Wagner come up in a Shirley Can't be Serious podcast?
I can't even keep track?
Speaker 4: Once against Nuts, Jack Wagner had a one hit wonder
called All I Need, and Nicky six responded by writing
a song for the Girls Girls Girls album.
Speaker 3: Called You're All I Need as a f.
Speaker 4: You to Jack Wagner over this shared girlfriend.
Speaker 3: It's crazy and this girl from Booneville, Arkansas, Oh my
goodness could be her? Wow from one crazy summer you
you exceeded my expectations.
Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, good I like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: Mark medcalf is in this movie. Yes, he plays Niedermeyer
in Animal House, yep, which we've talked about. He's the
mean dad and the Twisted Sister videos.
Speaker 2: Right, yep.
Speaker 3: He's good to being the mean dad.
Speaker 4: He's great, right, Yeah, he also has something in common
with Bob kat Goldwaite. They've both been in twisted Sister videos.
Speaker 3: I could a couldn't mind but slap your fat face.
Speaker 4: John Mettusac, Yeah, plays stain. We just got done speaking
about John Mitchusack last episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when we were talking about the Goonies. John Metusac
is a professional football player who became an actor. Yes,
and this is probably the third time I've said it
in these podcasts that we've done. But he was playing
for both leagues, which wasn't allowed, and they had to
serve him papers on the field of cease and desist.
You cannot be playing for both of these AFL and
NFL or whatever it was. Then. Yes, So then he
is the pink hair at the beginning, the pink haired
biker guy that's chasing after Demi Moore that John Cusack
ends up saving by doing the thing with the cash
or whatever. He goes on to play sloth in the
Goonies maybe rude. Yes, he plays such a memorable part.
And then the poor guy is so caught up in
drugs and alcohol that he ends up dying of an overdose.
Speaker 4: Couple of years after this tragic it is tragic. Hey,
I want to talk about that scene for just a
second since we're here. Okay, So the motorcycle guy, Johnny
tussack Stain is chasing Cassandra.
Speaker 3: She de me Moore's character.
Speaker 4: She runs into the bathroom. She hides into the stall,
but before she does, she hides a bunch of cash
in the paper towel holder. Yep, well, John Cusack he
comes in and he doesn't know she's hiding in there anyway.
He goes to take a paper towel out and one
hundred dollars bill falls out, and so he realizes, well,
they're looking for this, so he grabs the water cash
that belongs to her that she's trying to hide and
protect from this guy, and he turns around. He's like, hey, guys,
you're looking for this, and just like throws the money.
I'd be like, thanks a lot, you jerk. I had
that hidden, yeah, and you just you just screwed the
whole pooch. But instead she falls in love with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's an eighties movie, right.
Speaker 4: Okay, I want to bring up Matt mulhern to you.
Speaker 3: Okay, he plays Teddy.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, you've touched my car.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, let me just get a clean then you
talk to a guy, don't touch my car.
Speaker 4: I'm not so sure. He doesn't do a better job
of being the bully than Aaron Dogier, who played Stalin
in Better Off Dead.
Speaker 3: He's he is also great, definitely is awesome, top notch.
Love the swim scene where he's got the floaties on
his arms. I mean the absurdity of some of this stuff,
Like I watched some of these Dan Schneider shows that
my kid watched him, like this is such dumb comedy.
But I go back and watch these movies. I'm like, Okay,
well I was laughing I at the same ridiculous stuff
back in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 4: Right, the ludicrous scene where there's lobsters like pinned to
their bathing suits clearly not attached. Right, it looks stupid, right, Okay.
I want to bring something up about him. So he
plays this great bully, huh, I don't really. He played
like a military dad and a TV show in the
early nineties.
Speaker 3: He's done some stuff. He made a career until about
twenty fifteen. Okay, then he quits.
Speaker 4: He goes back to Fordham University and he's working on
his PhD in history, which I think is fascinating.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 4: But before he does that, in two thousand and he
writes and directs.
Speaker 3: Two movies okay, okay, two thousand and five, two thousand
and five.
Speaker 4: One is called Walking to the Waterline and one is
called Dwayne Hopwood.
Speaker 3: Okay, never heard of him?
Speaker 4: No, Dwayne Hopwood stars David Swimmer. Friends Rights Ross and
Roger Ebert called Dwayne Hopwood one of two thousand and
five's best films, written and directed by Matt mulhern, who
plays Teddy.
Speaker 3: Wow, I kind of want to watch it now, I know, right, Okay, interesting, Okay, good, Okay.
Speaker 4: You also have rich a little who's playing the radio
DJ yep okay, which when I saw this in the theater,
that maybe got the biggest laugh from me. Huh, because
the uncle is trying to play that that win a
million dollars thing it could be any moment, any second,
and he keeps trying to go to the bathroom. He's like,
but it's not right now. And this poor guy is
just suffering all summer trying to win this million dollars.
And then he finally wins the contest because he's the
number seven collar after they play the jingle whatever, and
then he's he's walking around in like the Tasmanian Devil.
He unplugs the radio from the wall, the phone or
the phone excuse me, and they're like, oh sorry, we're
just connected. They go next caller, and then she wins
and he takes a rocket launcher and destroys the radio
station at the very end of the movie, which I
thought was.
Speaker 2: Really funny, hysterical.
Speaker 4: Then you've got Tom Villard who plays Clay Stork.
Speaker 3: Right, Tom Villard, uh, the other the other twin, not
Bobcat Goldwaite, but the tall guy who gets beat up,
which is the impetus in the head. Ye, yeah, he
hit you, yes, And then they they it's a great
payoff because they they chop his car up. That was
a great reveal.
Speaker 2: It was a great reveal.
Speaker 4: He loves that Ferrari, you know, at the very beginning, he's.
Speaker 3: Like, you touched my car. He's like, what you touched
my car?
Speaker 4: Right, So they chop up at Ferrari and it becomes
the end for how they win the race.
Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Tom Villard studied under Lee Strasburg, which we talked about.
Speaker 3: Especially in our Godfather episode of Father episode Father part two,
to be precise. That's right, played Roth, Eli Roth. It's right,
he's the bad guy. Yeah, they're all bad guys. I mean.
Strasburg is very well known as one of the most
influential acting teachers of the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, sixties.
Speaker 4: Tom Villard passed away at age forty one.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yep, all right.
Speaker 3: Taylor Negrin is also in this. He plays Taylor there
you go, right, and he's with rich Hall, thank you,
not rich Little and they're making fun of Bosco the
poor ugly dog, and Squid rolls the window up and
gets their ties. That's funny, it's great.
Speaker 4: Rich Hall was on not necessarily the News, which is
a show on HBO. I remember, and they had a
little segment called Sniglets.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He made probably a boatload of money because he'd
like made books out of sniglets, own at least three
of those.
Speaker 2: But oh wow, okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, words that not in the dictionary but should be right, right, Yeah?
I remember one was schlit stop somebody who could play
softball and also drink beer at the same time.
Speaker 3: No play should stop, right.
Speaker 4: One other person I want to bring up is Billy Bird.
She plays the grandmother who charges them for the food.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: And she was the grandma also in Sixteen Candles.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: And she's hilarious.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: So that is the end of casting for One Crazy
Summer unless you got something else.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is we're past casting. But there's the
cast member that I've got to bring up. Okay, yeah, okay.
So you remember in One Crazy Summer there's this the
drive in movie scene right where he goes and gets
the ridiculously large popcorn.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: He's hiding in the bushes in the front seat, right.
But they're watching this movie, which is obviously a horror movie.
And I'm watching this thing and I'm thinking this has
got to be a ripoff of Thriller. Right. She's even
yelling Michael Michael, yeah you know, And I'm just like, oh, okay,
so I'm thinking Savage Steve Holland ripped off Thriller. Well
here's what happened instead, Savage Steve Holland didn't direct that
little extra movie that they're because it's not a real movie.
It's it's one that they made for this movie. The
one who did direct it is Bobcat Golthwaite. Yes, He's like,
Bob ka Goothwaite's like, are you gonna direct this other movie?
You're gonna do it? He's like, unless you know somebody.
He's like, yeah, I'll do it. And so he had
his own separate crew, separate lighting. Everything was different, which
is why it looks different. But got Bobcat Goldthwaite is
the one who directed the movie that is playing at
the drive in movie in. I love that. That's so good.
That's so good. Jeff and I talked about this. I
was like, wouldn't it be cool if we actually saw
what that movie was? Like? When he does his watch
a sp prequel thing, I'm like, what if it was
you know, what if it was that movie? And then
we're watching one crazy summer as at the drive in
in that movie it's nice tea question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know the name of that movie, like the
fictional name of the movie.
Speaker 3: Now Chainsaw date and hemorrhoids from hell.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, okay, yeah, all right, that doesn't her casting.
Are we on to tidbits?
Speaker 2: What do you want to do?
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it? All right? Blow my mind? Man?
Speaker 4: All right, let's stay right here on one crazy summer.
I got some tidbits for you here. Okay, So there
is a teddy bear, a little teddy bear that George's
grandmother gives to his sister. Yes, that is the same
little teddy bear that Lane is going to give to Beth.
Speaker 3: Such a throwaway scene like it, right, yeah, because it's
he's you don't hear her voice. You just hear him
talking to her on the phone and he's like, oh, Roy, botcha,
what a giant teddy bear. And he's got the little, tiny,
little palm sized tedest thing ever, cutest thing ever. Well,
I gotta go the Christmas trees on right.
Speaker 4: Okay, So this movie was shot in Nantucket and they're
One of the little subplots of this movie is that
they're filming a movie.
Speaker 3: There once was a girl from Nantucker. Sorry I can't
finish the right, but they're filming a movie there. Remember
what the movie is? The dolphin, The dolphin, the rabbid dolphin,
the dolphin with rabies. Yes, yeah, foam too. Does that
sound like any other movie you might have heard?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: And if you and if you listen, I'm sorry, if
you listen to the film, buy that I did with
Jeff Johnson. I so frustrated him on this. Yeah. Okay,
So in the movie, they're filming this rabbid dolphin Jaws
ripoff movie, right right, okay, And then key moment in
this movie is the big boat race. Right. Yes, you
have this fantastic montage where they take this old crappy
boat and you see them painting and making it pe and.
Speaker 2: All this other stuff.
Speaker 4: Eighties montage, love it eighties montage.
Speaker 3: And right after the eighties montage, you have this kind
of you know, filler b roll scene. Right now, I
am a busy guy, and so I don't usually get
to watch a whole movie in one sitting anymore. And
so I've watched three quarters of this movie and then
I'm like watching the rest of it on the phone
as I'm you know, in the gym, waiting for my
kid to come back with the car or whatever, right,
And I'm watching this on my phone and this this
little b roll thing, and I just kind of I
glanced at I'm like, what the heck did I just see?
And I do a little double tap. I get it
to go back ten seconds, and in this little transitional
b roll thing, they're out of the boat docks. It's morning,
the sun's just coming up, and you see a shooting
star go across the sky and I'm like, holy crap,
that is fantastic because it's right out of Jaws. Right.
Everybody knows that the shot shooting stars. They're like, Spielberg,
how'd you do it? He's like, I got lucky. It
just happened. But savage Steve Holland is a genius and
he throws this in without telling anybody, obviously an homage
to that scene. And I texted Jeff Johnson, I'm like,
did you catch the falling Star?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: He said he was playing golf when I sent the text,
and he was like he was so excited to tell
me about this scene. Thought he was going to blow
my mind. And he was like, son of a bitch.
I love that. I love that.
Speaker 4: They don't really even pause to take time for you
to look at it. It's just if you know Jaws
really well, then you recognize him wink and a nod
as subtle as it be.
Speaker 2: It's great, so good.
Speaker 4: Right, So clearly Foam two is based on Josh jos Right, Yeah, okay,
came out after Jaws three probably was better.
Speaker 3: Go check out Our Jaws three What the heck happened? Episode? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 4: And then one thing I wanted to bring up about Akak.
The name Akak is such a weird name, right, Yeah.
So Akak is the airport call letters for the island
of Nantucket.
Speaker 2: Ah right, okay a c K.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so they just took that and like, okay,
well character's name is Akak.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: His dad yep.
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about how these are autobiographical and
his dad was like, you're going to go to military
school if if to Savage Steve halland if you don't
get into cal Arts, you're gonna go to military school, right, right?
And so John Flaherty is John right. John Flaherty is
the actor who plays the dad from SCTV. Yes, And
if you don't remember him from SCTV, you might remember
him from Happy Gilmore. He's the that's it.
Speaker 2: That's him. Yep, oh good call? Yeah, how did I
miss him? Yep?
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Let's flip back over to One Crazy Summer for a second.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I mean we're talking about when Crazy Summer.
But okay, so.
Speaker 4: Drew strewsan Yes, maybe the greatest movie poster artists of
all time.
Speaker 2: One of Yes, certainly top of the conversation.
Speaker 4: We just talked about how he did Indiana Jones and
The Temple of Doom. Yep, he then does the Goonies.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also in eighty five he does.
Speaker 2: Back to the Future, Back to the Future and Better
Off Dad, Better Off Dead.
Speaker 4: I just read you a little post on Facebook. He's
got Alzheimer's.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's tragedy.
Speaker 3: Can't he can't do it anymore. His wife said he
is not enjoying retirement. He's struggling to live. So God
bless her and going through that. I hope, I hope
it's easy. And yeah, that's right. Okay, before we get
to Better Off Dead, Okay, I got one more tidbit
for you. Okay. Yeah, So we mentioned our last episode
that Savage Steve Holland when he was a young boy,
he would make movies at home which starred his sister,
Yes whose name, whose nickname was Squid. Squid just like
the sister in One Crazy Summer right when Calamari comes
in with the trashy hot girls, one of them is
his real Savage Steve Holland's sister's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that that's a good one, man, Okay.
Speaker 3: Tidbit on Better Off Dead?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: One of the most memorable scenes from Better Off Dead
is this little daydream break that we take where there's
a van Halen playing hamburger yeah and swimming French fries.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants some from women and children first, right, that's right, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that was actually not part of the original script.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like going to be a fried rat,
like from Savage Steve Holland when he worked in fast food,
he had heard that somebody actually ate fried rat because
the rat had fallen into the fryer or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's all those urban legends, right, he worked at McDonald's.
He heard about some rat that got fried up as
a hamburger. They were going to put that in the movie,
and one of the producers like, that's not funny, that's
just disgusting, right, So they had to come up with
something else, and they came.
Speaker 3: Up with the van Halen playing hamburger yeah, which is awesome, right,
And everybody, the producer still thought it was stupid. It
was the most talked about scene after they did their
screening for really test audiences. Yes, how about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know.
Speaker 4: That goes right hand in hand with the Vanalen Brothers
and the Wilson sisters story.
Speaker 3: No, give it away.
Speaker 2: Go listen to that episode.
Speaker 3: Episode by the way, there's a he's working at the
the whatever the pig Burger place whatever that is Rocko's place, right,
Pat Pig, Pat pig. This is a push, this is
a and there's a poster up of a woman, you know,
in a chef's hat back to the camera part definite eighties,
you know base. Yeah, everybody wants everybody wants some across it,
like it's the slogan of the restaurant or whatever. I
would kill to have that post. I would too, It's
so cool. I would love to have that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: At the very end of Better Off Dead in the credits, yeah,
at the very end, it says the film's over.
Speaker 3: You can go now.
Speaker 2: Does Matthew Brodner say it or.
Speaker 3: That predates Ferri Speeler's day off? What do you?
Speaker 2: Why are you still here?
Speaker 3: Exactly? Go home? Cute?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: And Better Off Dead you have some of those kind
of scenes going on while they're doing the first part
of the credits. As he's going in and fixing stuff.
The dad is doing stuff right yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Badger's space shuttle takes off out of the house.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of things on Better Off Dad.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: We talked about how Savageteve Hollins's real life girlfriend left him.
Speaker 2: For the ski instructor right.
Speaker 4: Where it really hurt him bad and made him even
slightly suicidal. And when she saw the movie his ex girlfriend,
she felt so bad that she contacted him, apologized, and
then even had to go to therapy because she felt
horrible about.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, wow.
Speaker 4: Real life the two dollars kid, the newspaper kid that's
based on real life story. Okay, this one kid kept
worrying Hi out about the two dollars for their newspaper subscription.
It's awesome based on real life. I heard that his mom,
who bawled him out whenever he tried to hang himself
and broke the water pipe right right, that she actually
gave him a gift of a TV dinner because it
had the corn.
Speaker 2: He liked the corn.
Speaker 3: Yes, like, yeah, the movie tagline for Better Off Dead
had to be changed. Do you hear this story?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It was like sometimes you're Better Off Dead and they're like, no,
that's not we can't be I mean you got juwics,
priests and suicide solution stuff going on, right then, yeah
it relax, You're not Better Off Dead?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: Okay, I want to talk to you about this soundtrack
just real quickly.
Speaker 3: Oh heck yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Both of these movies.
Speaker 3: You've got some crazy songs. Great soundtrack, right, it's nuts. Yeah.
I mean the use of songs. We talked about this
when we talked about Nerds, right, the Revenge of the Nerds. Yeah,
where I mean, you've got a good three minutes worth
of thriller playing at the part of the st they
get ahold of that. Yeah, it's crazy, and the same
kind of thing for both of these movies. You've got
some really well known songs being played. I mean Van Halen,
You've got Van Halen a Better Off Dead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got what I Lie to You by the
rhythmics in the flat middle of one crazy Summer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a couple of beach boys song boys Hello
Deaf Dave, Yeah, are you awake? Yeah?
Speaker 4: So Better Off Dead You've got this guy named Rupert Heine.
Speaker 3: Who does a lot of the songs.
Speaker 4: Okay, yep, Now he was a producer, he had worked
with The Fix.
Speaker 3: Okay, one thing leads to another yep, big eighties hit. Yeah,
and so he does in eighty five.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I think that might have been on a top ten
list when you were talking, when we were talking about heart.
Speaker 2: Maybe so, yeah, maybe so.
Speaker 3: Okay. So he does a couple of known songs.
Speaker 4: One of them is called Arrested by You, kind of
the love theme of Better Off Dead.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, covered in nineteen ninety by Dusty Springfield.
Speaker 3: That ringabell to you. Yeah. Dusty Springfield is the one
who did Son of a pre cher Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And what have I done to deserve this? With the
Pet Shop Boys?
Speaker 2: Okay, right right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: Then you have another song called Dancing in Isolation by
Terry Nunn. Oh from Berlin, from Berlin, Wow, okay, take
my breath away?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then you actually have a couple of songs by
eg Daily.
Speaker 3: Okay, you've got, of course.
Speaker 4: The Van Halen song.
Speaker 3: And then you also have another song by Howard Jones.
Speaker 2: Oh really, This.
Speaker 3: Song is called Like to Get to Know You.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the song they play while they're Fixing the
camaro Oh.
Speaker 3: Okay, and are you notice Yeah, don't you know, don't
give it away, but yeah, het go check out our
top five of nineteen eighty five because I got a
song from Howard Jones on there. All right, are we two?
Final judgment? Yeah, I think it's time, okay, before we do. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel hated Better Off Debt.
Speaker 3: They could not have been more cruel, visceral, just awful,
spitting vial all over the sad, nothing positive as you
say about this, and it's terrible. It's terrible that they
would do this to this wonderful I mean, it probably
was the reason that this movie didn't do well because
when I mean, we've been doing this for years now,
and when Better Off Deed comes up, people go nuts.
They're like, this is such a great movie that was
so unappreciated, and it's I have to think, partially dude
to the bad reviews it was getting from the critics,
when it's such a wonderful little it's so s eighties
high school comedy.
Speaker 4: It's funny, it's absurd, it's sweet as genuine, both of
these movies and so savage. Steve Holland responded by having
a couple of the fuzzy bunnies.
Speaker 3: Look exactly well, look very similar to well, one is
kind of heavy and has glasses and the other one
is tall and thin and get massacred or.
Speaker 4: Something that was submachine guns.
Speaker 3: Right, so funny because he's not bitter. Yeah, that's great. Yeah,
all right, okay, so time for final judgment. Judgment. Okay.
I usually say you go first, I'll go first this time. Okay.
So here's the thing. I know that I'm going to
be in the minority in this. I'm confident that I'm
going to be in the minority in this because I know.
I mean giving it right away. I love both of
these movies. But to me, he upped his game on
movie number two, even though John Cusack you know, obviously
hated it. I thought that he brought his his botheredness
that he had with Savage Steve Holland or whatever, it
translated well into his character of Hoops. And then you
increased the cast. In my opinion, I love Diane Franklin,
but Demmy Moore better. And you've got bobcat Goldthwaite, funnier,
you've got Joel Murray funnier.
Speaker 2: You bring Curtis Armstrong.
Speaker 3: Back in an entirely different part, which is a nice
juxtaposition with the crazy people that are there. I mean,
in my humble opinion, I think that One Crazy Summer
is more underappreciated than Better Off Dead. And so I'm
saying my pick of these two is One Crazy Summer. Wow.
Speaker 4: All I have to say to that is okay. Let
me just tell you I'm shocked at that. I think
Better Off That is clearly the funnier movie. I think
it's more genuine. I think the love story works better.
I think Monique and Lane fit better than the nineteen
eighty six version of Demi Moore and Jack Cusack. So
for me, that story just works a little bit better.
I just but I do love both of these movies.
I think One Crazy Summer is a little bit more absurd,
but it's it's so fun and funny.
Speaker 3: But mark me down for Better Off ten. All right, Yeah,
so guys, tell us what do you think. I'm confident
that Jason's going to get more votes his way on
this one, But that's okay. If you love One Crazy Summer,
let me know that I'm not alone.
Speaker 4: The next week, Yeah, we are starting a incredible three
way combination here.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is the beginning.
Speaker 4: We are doing Genesis the beginning, Touchy versus So by
Peter Gabriel and.
Speaker 2: No jacket required by Phil Collins.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 3: And we will have our dear friend and Patreon member
Chad Briggs back with us to talk about Peter Gabriel.
And so, if you don't know, Chad Briggs is the
guy who hit us up and said, hey, war Games
was very influential on me. You guys should do that,
and we're like, hey, come do it with us, not
knowing that he actually does war Games as his professional
that's right. Holy cow, what a great episode that was,
and what a great friend. And you know, fan, Chad
is he he is over in the Philippine. I don't
even know if I'm allowed to say that. He is
over in the Pacific doing cool things and sends us
pictures of some of the incredible things that he's doing
over there and some of the movie stuff that he's
got over there. So I'm excited to have him back
to talk about Peter Gabriel. It'd be fun.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be great. Come back for that next week.
All Right, I got a quick question for you. Okay,
ranked these four Cookie Cassandra Beth Okay in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 3: This may surprise you actually, all right, okay, So lowest
on my list is Cassandra is Demy Moore, who I mean,
I dug her? Yeah and all himpie thing, well the
corn husks or is that what they're called? Right? But
she's I mean, I mean, if I'm just viewing from afar, now,
if we pay, if we take the character she's a
guitar player, then up she's going up higher on the list.
But if we're just going by, like I just see
her at the bar, she's number four.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Number three is gonna be Cookie. She's a beautiful blonde,
but she's just not my kind of type. And then
that's followed by another beautiful blonde, Amanda Wiss, who's again
just not really my type. Number one for me is
Diane Franklin. I like Monique Unique. She is cute, she
is French language, and she's just she's very lovable and
just has a kind Her eyes are very kind. So
I'm picking Monique is my top choice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, all right, I bet you, well, so
I got I got Beth. At number four, Laane needed
to cut her loose a long time before that, right, Okay, okay.
Number three for me is going to be Demi Moore. Yeah, Cassandra, Yeah,
I like the hippie thing. But this is before she
really sprouts into the best version of her said if
you will, yes, okay. Number two, I've got Cookie. She
is rocking that that swimsuit, and I mean she looks great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: And number one for me it's Monique.
Speaker 2: We're in agreement.
Speaker 3: We love the language lessons we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 4: We want to hear from you. How do you rank
these four